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the Orlando Magic. We're kind of just bouncing around doing

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these as they happen, but it's fun to get into

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the big picture stuff because stuff with each series changes

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so much for anyone who cares. Grant and I will

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have some previews whichever we can get to like. Once

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the series are set, we'll really dig into the second

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round and maybe some first round reactions. We're here talk

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about the Orlando Magic more.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling doing well? Yes?

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Speaker 3: And I can confirm that I was changing my shirt

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and you had very very big eyes, so I appreciate

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the flirtation that was. That was a major compliment.

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Speaker 1: I'm here to serve, I know, but I'm also here

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to serve some takes on Orlando, which is entering I

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would say it's a fascinating offseason. So let's take a

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look here they, I think, well, do you have any

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like impressions from their playoff series against the Celtics. Peyton

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Pritchard did say that they were the best defense that

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Boston has ever faced, which is certainly to have him

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say that and then Jalen Suggs wasn't even playing is

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pretty incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, look, I don't think anyone really doubted

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the defense even without Jalen, so like, good on them

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for maintaining that. But it's still, like what I took

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away from it is they're so far away offensively still

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to the point where that has to be addressed this offseason.

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But they have an identity and that's probably the most

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important thing you can have as a young team. I

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think they competed. I think they gave them everything they could.

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And again, that's just such a good trait for young

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team because we've seen it a thousand times. Dan young

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teams get into the playoffs, they aren't really sure of themselves,

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they get a little passive.

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Speaker 2: These guys are the exact opposite.

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Speaker 3: They fight, they hustle a claw, and they do everything

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they possibly can to get there. They never quit. So

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the makeup, the mental makeup of this team is great.

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They just need more talent.

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Speaker 1: And I think before we'll get into trades, free agency

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targets what they actually need. But this also kind of

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starts with not that people lay this at the feet

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of Paalo Bankaro, but there seems to be just some

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division on how good of a player is he because, Okay,

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he can score, he's pretty switchable defensively, he could rebound.

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Look at how balletic yet brutal he is on the ball.

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But then he's not super efficient and he did shoot

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forty four and a half percent from three against the Celtics.

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He seems like he has that Jimmy Butler geing in

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him where seems like he's always shooting better from three

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in the playoffs. From what we've seen thus far, he's

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extension maligeable this summer. So let's go through the different scenarios.

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Before we even go through, do we both just agree

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that he is getting the max?

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course, even if he's not a great

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shooter a great efficiency player, yet he's three years in

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look at who he's playing with from a spacing perspective, Yeah, absolutely,

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you gamble on that upside and you give him a max, and.

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Speaker 1: So I would agree with you. I'm a huge Palabank

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Caro fan. I think that he's going to be an

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MVP candidate, like a top five MVP candidate one day,

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because I want to see him within a better spacing environment.

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off ball gravity metrics, just general floor spacing metrics, you

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will see that Palo bank Caro's teammates reliably across the

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board ranked in like the fifth, the fourth, the zero

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fixth percentile. And so I think a lot of his

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shot difficulty and his efficiency struggles just come down to

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the spacing environment which which he works. And so the

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five year max at twenty five percent would be two

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hundred and forty six point seven million dollars. Would you

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agree that they're probably going to include the thirty percent

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language that could bring it up to two hundred and

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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely Why wouldn't they?

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Speaker 1: They did it for Franz, so I don't know. If

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they don't do it for Palo, that would be that

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not going to impact what they're making or excuse me,

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their cap sheet headed into this summer, but it does

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kind of impact their thinking this summer because now in

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twenty twenty six, you're gonna have Franz in this second

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year of his max, Jalen Suggs in the second year

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of his extension, and then Palo's Palo's MAX extension would

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kick in as well, And so you get into just

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like the cap stuff with them this summer. As of

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right now, if they kind of keep everybody, they're eleven

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million dollars over the tax, they can duck it. They

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could wave and maybe resign Mo Wagner who's non guaranteed

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at eleven Gary Harris at seven point five million, you

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wave them, you could try to resign them the cheaper deals.

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the tax, accessing all or part of that non tax

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seems like a stretch right for this team, I would assume.

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Speaker 3: So like you have two you said it, you have

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two guys entering major extensions, like Franz is gonna add

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thirty one million to his total, Sucks is gonna have

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at like twenty six, twenty five, twenty six million to

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his total. Yeah, absolutely still have CV's coal Pulp on

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the roster earning over twenty million. Like even if even

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with with Jonathan Isaac declining in value for don declining

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in value but declining and compensation level for ten million,

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it just doesn't add up. Like you are looking at

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a very expensive team, which is why they need to

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do something this year, right.

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Speaker 1: And I mean you could, I guess, offload other salary

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to try and access the non tax payermentles, so you

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one a free agent. But you need to be sure

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that that free agent is gonna make a difference at

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this point, if you were trying to move in Davies

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called the Pope, and maybe if you're even trying to

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move Jonathan Isaac, I know that deal declines, but he

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just doesn't play like he's like a twelve minute per

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game player, And so you might have attach something to

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that money. And if you're gonna do that, I think

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market and I and you're you alluded to this. That's

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where any change, any significant change in so far as

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they make any is gonna come on the trade market.

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like guys will still teams excuse me, will still want

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to take a look at Jet Howard. They have Tristan

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da Silva. Anthony Black is super interesting as a trade asset.

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tough for this roster is Franz, Polo and Suggs will

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be about one hundred and sixteen million plus in twenty

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twenty six. That's if Palo doesn't get the thirty percent max.

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seventy percent of a cap gone right there, and there's

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still other money on the books. If you want them

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to take a major swing, it's tough because if you

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start to throw in names that are on the books

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for three years whatever and they're a LaMelo ball as

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an interest your favorite player in the league, you can't like,

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we're just past the point as we're in this CBA

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where okay, well like Sugs, Franz and Pallo are not

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all going to be on the roster. If you decide

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Murray becomes available, you might even in given Orlando's cap

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sheet history, I think you could argue that they might

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even be hard pressed to have two of such players

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on the roster. And I think that's the challenge for

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them is they need to get an offensive difference maker

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that doesn't necessarily force them to force them to reorient

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like their entire future basically right.

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Speaker 3: And that's where things get problematic because there is a

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guy we both have, you know, not necessarily earmark for Orlando,

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but a guy who we think makes sense there in

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Kobe White. He right now is on a compensation level

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that makes a lot of sense. He'll be earning twelve

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point eight million, I believe next season that's very manageable

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to trade for. But then he's going to be an

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unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty six, meaning you'll need

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a new deal. What's he going to end up in

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like thirty five million himself? Thirty million? Like what are

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it's going to be substantially higher than twelve point eight.

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So even if you bring on a dude who is

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cheap right now, that doesn't mean he's going to be

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cheap in a year from now or two years from now.

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also partly why I was very low on the KCP

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contract last summer. I was very outspoken about that. I

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thought that was just a tremendous waste of money. I

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understood that it was one of those situations where well,

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you know, spend it or lose it, but then frankly

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you should have gotten more for that, but a.

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Speaker 1: Bit more aggressive to use it on the trade market,

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like that stuff is super valuable in those.

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Speaker 3: It was that was just such a bone. I know,

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it was celebrated every like all around NBA, you know,

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online atmosphere. Everyone was like, oh, yeah, that's so great

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right up their alley, Like seriously, what did what did

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he offer them this year that they didn't have already?

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Speaker 2: Like seriously, I.

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Speaker 1: Viewed it as more of a signal that they were

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going to take swings, and it ended up just being

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the only move that they made, which never should have been.

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super valuable for them. But even if he was making

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shots at the level he was in Denver, he was

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never bringing the volume of floor spacing or even the

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like the type of shot making and table setting that

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you just want better floor spacers who could make shots

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off the dribble from beyond the arc, even if they're

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how much value do you assigned to the next player

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or the biggest addition they're making having to be if

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not a floor general, someone who can do a ton

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of initiation for others beyond Franz, beyond Palo. We saw

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to you know, run everything through Polo and Franz that

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has been explored clearly there is a need for something else,

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and and look, it isn't helping that that Franz factor

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currently is reworking his entire jump shot. I don't even

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know what the hell he's trying to do, right, and

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he's pushing instead of shooting right now, which is very concerning,

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especially because Paolo as well is, you know, not a

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great three point shooter. He's like fine, Like there's potential

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Speaker 1: His all time in the playoffs he shoot like for

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in a playoffs or his career out to check that.

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Speaker 3: Look, that's great, and that's a good sign. I'm gonna

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need to see something a little bit more sustainable. But yeah,

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my point is now is the time to go in

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for like a a playmaker. I just want to call him,

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and yeah, it should be a guard. I think it

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should be a guard because if you run everything through

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you are going to get absolutely brutally slaughtered in the playoffs,

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regardless of how good defense you have. Like, look, Nico

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have the Orlando Magic here, No, they don't you need

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more than that? Like, yeah, it's a good defense necessary

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to win a championship. Absolutely, I'm not arguing otherwise. But

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you're out of your goddamn mind.

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Speaker 1: What level before and just right before we get into

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the specific names, what level of player does that need

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to be? Though? Because you already mentioned Kobe White, but

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like dealing in just archetypes rather than specific names for

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a moment, does this player need to be like a

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fringe All Star or could you get away with let's

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call them the equivalent of a mid level guy who

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come in, hit open shots, make some passes. Is this

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team good enough to say we don't need to go

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to the blockbuster route, like we just sort of need

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to futz and fiddle, not necessarily on the margins, but

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in the middle of our pecking order.

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Speaker 3: What you're essentially asking me is, would is it necessary

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for Orlando to go after a Kobe White type instead

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of just going for a Ciantual Russell type. And you

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know where I'm gonna land on that one.

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Speaker 1: I think when the other name is Deangel Russell, it's

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not hard to land where you're gonna land.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, you know guys who sign for exceptions,

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they're gonna have significant warts. Like, let's just be real,

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that is a case, and you have to then have

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your warts be so insignificant specifically to the structure of

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the magic that they can hide all those weaknesses. But like,

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who's that guy? Who is that guy who it might

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be able to you can cover up defensively, and then

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it's just perfect. Then he just fits in, like oh,

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handing glove. I don't know who that player is.

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Speaker 1: I guess I was gonna ask so if they could

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do something like this and I don't do this is

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a perfect solution, but it's sort of a stop gap

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when you're looking at their payroll. Let's say you can

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get off the KCP deal, take some compensation, but New

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Orleans is rebuilding, and you can get the next year

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of CJ. McCollum, who does a lot of the stuff

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they need. And I don't think he's received enough credit

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for the way that he's upped his three point volume

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in New Orleans. Does a move like that nudge the

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needle in the right direction or they need to be

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thinking even bigger.

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Speaker 3: No, see, that's a move that does nudge in the

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right direction. Because I also think he's more than an

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exception guy, right. I know he's older, but his game

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isn't exception worthy. It's more than that. It's higher than

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exception worthy. So that would be a guy who absolutely

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pushes them in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: I don't love the.

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Speaker 3: Age timeline personally, but you know, in terms of the

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archetype of player, hell yes, I mean look, in many ways,

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you can argue that Kobe whis like it's just basically

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the next generation of CG.

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Speaker 2: McCullum.

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Speaker 3: They'd be pretty similar in the sense that both were

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kind of shooting guards then became kind of ones. They're

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still really compos can shoot a bit, but can also.

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Speaker 2: Be a bit inconsistent. Like it.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of similarities there, and that's why

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White it is always on my list.

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Speaker 2: But McCollum is a good shout it.

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Speaker 3: Like, yes, you would absolutely fix an absolute shit ton

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of what they're going through right now.

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Speaker 1: And he is because he's older than Kobe White. Where's

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Kobe White so cheap? Now, in terms of just the

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raw dollars, but you know he's gonna cost more to

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his next deal. CJ. McCollum's kind of the opposite. You

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need to come up with the money matching. Now that's

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not a problem for Orlando, but he's not gonna be

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making thirty plus million dollars in his next deal.

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Speaker 3: Right, So that's one more year and then he's an

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unrestricted free agent twenty twenty six, unless, of course, designs

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an extension which which you can, which doesn't have to

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be higher than his current salary. So like, what could

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be an interesting contract for CJ McCollum.

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Speaker 1: Forty Does that too much?

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Speaker 2: I like that?

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Speaker 3: No, that's that I feel like that's fair, right, because

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at that point he'll be thirty four, you know, he'll

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still be effective like on the downslope of his career.

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To forty that's you know, Vouch I think got like

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three sixty. So that kind of aligns with the twenty

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million a year kind of route. I think that's fair.

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That would be a good deal for Orlanto too, because

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it's very manageable. Twenty million is in a couple of years.

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That's the non taxse emily anyway.

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Speaker 1: And I guess the other thing is you you sort

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of mentioned that you would want to see them trade

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for or acquire a different type of center. Yeah, how

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high or how big of a swing are you making

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on that type of a resource.

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Speaker 3: See, that's the thing, because that center has to fit PLO.

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And I'm mentioning Polo specifically, not Franz, because that's still

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their number one guy. Polo is the guy they had

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to build around as like the first thought every whenever

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they do.

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Speaker 1: We thank you for saying that. I think, by the way,

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I think Franz is about as good as you can

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be offensively with the type of jumper that he has

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right now. But I thought people were really getting over

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their skis by having the aha. Is he more important

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to the magic than Palo?

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Speaker 3: No no? And I'm saying that as a euro guy.

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Like by the way, I mean, look, I like Franz,

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I actually do. I like him a great deal. But

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if like we were talking about warts, he has a

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lot of them, and like Powlo to me, projects also

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not only with the higher ceiling, he also projects us

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the safer.

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Speaker 2: Bet moving forward.

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Speaker 3: To just be honest about it, he has to be

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top of mind when you do make roster alterations. So

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for a center to fit alongside Paolo, what type of

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center do you need? Well, given these shortcomings from a

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spacing perspective, between Paolo and Franz, for both of whom

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are going to play, what forty four minutes per game?

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Speaker 2: That like, let me just double Checke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, forty four minutes per game both of them. They're

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gonna be on the court a lot. You're gonna need

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someone who can stretch. I don't think he's available, but

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I would love a kilo Ware as well alongside one

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of those two guys. What is this going to take

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to get him? Presumably a whole lot. That's the type

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of player I would go for.

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Speaker 1: I you know, and I wouldn't go I agree with

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the archetype. I wouldn't go for khalil Ware because I

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do think this team needs just stopped trafficking in the

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development of the solutions, and khalil Ware spacing is not bankable.

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I'd rather see them. I mean, those players are expensive.

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We mentioned Nazerie. Probably the price point is too high.

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And even if you could make them out, like let's

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say they could do a sign and trade right for

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what you have to give up? Does it make sense,

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like he's not solving your playmaking issue as a like

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your gap, so to give up like pick resources to

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get him as tough If it only costs contracts, then yeah, sure,

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Christops Porzingez could be interesting. If Boston is looking to

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cut costs and you're roping in different teams, that might be.

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He's a pretty good fit next to Paalo.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he would be the best fit.

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Speaker 3: I just kind of labeled him as ungettable in this

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specific scenario. But if he's not, yeah, I'm all ears,

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that would be an amazing fit.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about He's a free agent and

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he was played off the court against the basers brook Lopez.

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Speaker 2: Can he still walk after the summer?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If he goes to Disney World a lot,

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so you might get too many steps in and as

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his legs could be sore.

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Speaker 2: Right right, I mean, look another year with that.

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Speaker 1: Would would that be like the most ground bound front

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court in the end, like Pallo and brook Lopez.

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Speaker 2: It might be, And look there's some there's some worth

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in that. I'm not counting that down.

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Speaker 3: And look, look he'll have games like if brook Lopez

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ends up in Orlando, he will have games where We're like, oh,

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we see that, we see the vision here.

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Speaker 2: But he's so old.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I'm literally only two years older than per

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to the date, even April first, like thirty seven and

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going out there and then he'll be thirty eight come

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playoff time next year. That's a tall order, tall tall order.

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Speaker 1: What about his teammate Bobby portis this team has probably

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the ability to insulate him defensively. You know what this

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team really needs, like peak Maxi Kliba. That's like a

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half decade ago at that'd be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's a good one.

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Speaker 3: Like Bobby, I'm not in on for this roster specifically

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because he's almost exclusively a four now. Like I know

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he plays the center spot here and there, but he's

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so much better.

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Speaker 1: Just puts a lot on Pallo. Yeah, if if the

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front court is him in pallow And by the way,

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I still love Wendell Carter Junior. It's just they need someone.

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You want to open up as much room as possible

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for Franz and Powell, and they need someone who's a

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better spot up shooter than Wendell Carter Junior.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I have a tricky one.

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Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sold no bringing back vouch Man.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, when you think about it, playmaking,

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solid ass, rebounding, and look, that's probably the one knock

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I have on Paolo is that he doesn't rebound enough.

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He like vouch will come in and rebound the heck

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out of the ball. We saw this year that he's

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so much better as like a trailing three point shooter

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than as someone who playsloading the half court with sucks back.

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If you also get a new lead guard in there,

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maybe you can dial up the offense. We saw that

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in the first few games of this season before the injuries,

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that they were really dialing up the three point shots

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and the pace. Like I don't know, maybe there's something there.

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He's familiar with Orlando. He still loves the organization. The

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organization still loves him. They didn't leave each other out

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in a bad way. Like I wouldn't hate that as

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a stopgap option until you find something more sustainable. And look,

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if there's a team that can hide his defensive deficiencies,

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it's them.

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Speaker 1: Jo would be fun and he would have to be

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a cost cutting casualty. Otherwise, I don't know why he

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would leave his team. Al Horford works here.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I Al Horford works practically everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Hey, he didn't he go to Florida's just's be like

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a reunion. Maybe he wants to come.

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Speaker 3: Back, So sign up Joe Keim Noah as well and

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Corey Brewer get the band bets kids.

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Speaker 1: So we have a list, and I didn't put every

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name that we might talk about, but a list of

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perspective trade targets that the Magic could go after. Let's

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just tackle them one by one and then you can

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add all right on there, LaMelo Ball is for me,

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before you take the talking stick. I would love LaMelo

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Ball on this team. I think he would be sensational.

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But we did just talk about all right, I guess

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you are giving up Jail and Suggs and any permutation

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of that deal. But now you've decided, oh it's LaMelo,

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it's Ben Caro, it's it's Frondz, and like that's sort

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of it in terms of the big money. Now they're

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all would be on their fun maxes. So it's more

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workable than whatever Phoenix was trying to do. But it

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really does thin out your margin for error. And if

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you're gonna do that, even I'll say this is a

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Lamello apologist. You want someone who's more bankable, And I

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would say, like, if they were gonna go all out,

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I would And this isn't a hot take, but it's like,

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then go for Devin Booker, don't go and like figure

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out the math with that, rather than trying to figure

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out the math for LaMelo, especially given his injury history.

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Speaker 3: And the injury history is why I'm just like, no,

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they've already had too much of an injury history with

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Jalen sucks. I think so like to downgrade from that

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situation from a pure availability perspective, it's just to me,

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it's nonsense.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a complete nonstarter.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a non starter for me. I'm I'm

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gonna be like i'd be. I want to know what

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the pick equity is going, because he's not like he

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makes more than Jayalen sucks, but it's not astronomically more,

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00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,079
I think what would give me pauses? Okay, how much?

475
00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,640
How many draft picks to Charlotte want? But also you

476
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,799
mentioned the availability with LaMelo, he has not defended well,

477
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:55,440
even though he has the tools to do so. This

478
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,799
team can insulate him and maybe makes his job easy

479
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,759
enough to where he like, if he's got men him

480
00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:03,440
get for turnovers on this team. So I would be

481
00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,200
so intrigued, but I would have a hard line on

482
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,279
the opportunity cost to get him because of the injuries

483
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,240
and just again, because you have to position yourself to

484
00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:15,359
be able to make other moves after this, and so

485
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,079
you can't just empty your draft clip. In addition to

486
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,960
taking on another fun max salary, the.

487
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 3: Fact that you want to add draft picks to an

488
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,759
outgoing package that includes Stealen Sugs for Lamental.

489
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Speaker 1: Ball, that's just jim.

490
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Speaker 2: I just love tasted my lunch again. Dan.

491
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Speaker 1: Look, maybe history will be written and you'll come out

492
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,839
right on that, but I think LaMelo Ball checks a

493
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,559
lot more anomalous boxes than Jalen Suggs does as a

494
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,599
basketball player. When you're looking at the off the dribble,

495
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,680
shot making, the vision is transcendent. I think in a

496
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,319
better situation. I would even say a better situation because

497
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,440
I think Charlotte does have good people in place up

498
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,680
top right now. But like there's a lot this would

499
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,559
be you plug him on this year's Orlando Magic team.

500
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,119
They are by far and away the best group of

501
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,000
players he's ever taken the floor with and it's not

502
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:05,599
even closed.

503
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,279
Speaker 3: That is true for about seventeen games. That'd be amazing,

504
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:11,680
and then he won't be able to play for the

505
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,279
rest of the year.

506
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would.

507
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,519
Speaker 1: You Let's just say he becomes available, and we did

508
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:20,599
talk about all the challenges involved of adding an expensive player. Sure, Lando,

509
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,799
investigate the Devin Booker stuff or is that just if

510
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,039
you want Franz? Would you can be would Franz be

511
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,720
a non starter in a Devin Booker trade for you

512
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,240
as opposed to Suggs.

513
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Speaker 2: See, I'm actually open to moving funds. I am.

514
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,079
Speaker 3: I know that sounds sacrilicious for Magic fans, but I'm

515
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,319
open to it. The three even before he started reworking,

516
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,799
it was never that good. And you need that shot

517
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:50,880
if you're him, like you really do, especially playing alongside Paulo,

518
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,640
Like even Jalen is not the best natural shooter. So yeah,

519
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,200
I would. It's Devin Booker man, like, yeah, obviously, an

520
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,799
he's the issue I would have.

521
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: There is who starts at the one? Who's the who's

522
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:03,599
the league guard? There is?

523
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: Do you think if you have him and Pollo you

524
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,640
need you could find a one? But do you think

525
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,839
if you have Devin Booker and Powloll that you need, Like,

526
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,720
doesn't that kind of change the scope of who you're

527
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:13,359
one can be?

528
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,559
Speaker 3: Or no, no, no no. So here's the thing. Yeah,

529
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:21,440
that's fair. Here's my take on it. We've seen Devin

530
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Booker try to be pitche and told into Okay, you're

531
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,680
gonna be the default playmaker. We've also seen Orlando try

532
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,000
to run their offense through alternate means that you know,

533
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:34,319
traditional point point guard is a little bit of an

534
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,240
a tiring way to describe it, but I think it

535
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:40,200
fits here. I'm just out on that, like, it's time

536
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,839
for Book to be freed up as a score far

537
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,640
more it's time for Powlo also to be freed up

538
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,519
more as a scorer, Like, yes, it should there be

539
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,359
inter plight between them, absolutely, of course. And can Book

540
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,079
run several pick and rolls every single game? Yes, I

541
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,880
still think they need a real ass floor leader who

542
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:01,240
and set all those guys up.

543
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:03,759
Speaker 1: Right, But if you're getting a den and I think

544
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:05,680
I agree to some extent with that, because if you

545
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,599
have like Devin Booker, this year didn't have Paalo Bin Carrol,

546
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,480
Palo Bank Carroll didn't have Devin Booker, right, so, but

547
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,279
even if you're saying they need a one right now,

548
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,640
Like that's the difference between saying they need a Kobe Whider,

549
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,839
they need a Tias Jones, or like someone who could

550
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,000
just come in cheaper and organize things.

551
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: See it's funny because obviously the sun sucked and they

552
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,599
did have both Devin Booker and Highest Jones. But I'm

553
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,480
not necessarily out on that pairing whatsoever. Under different circumstances,

554
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:35,200
like if book ended up in Orlando somehow and Tyas

555
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,759
followed suit, I'd be into it.

556
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,079
Speaker 1: Booker has three years, one hundred and seventy one point

557
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,519
two million dollars left time, So you're not giving if

558
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:45,119
you're not giving up for no, I mean, if he

559
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,240
wanted out, I think we all agree it'd be you

560
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,440
contact Houston first. We all know that, but that'd be

561
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,640
a fun name. Another name that'd be interesting if the

562
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,359
heat were blowing things up. He's kind of cheap relative

563
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,799
to own of the league is going Tyler hero two

564
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:01,039
years and sixty four million dollars? Would you feel about that.

565
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,599
Speaker 3: Much better playmaker this year? I think he took a

566
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,799
real step up in that department. Is it enough to

567
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,599
like become the primary perimeter initiator.

568
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: Not sure.

569
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,319
Speaker 3: Again, I feel like going for shooting guards might not

570
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,079
be the best ankle to this. I do feel as

571
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,200
though you need to go traditional ones, but I wouldn't

572
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,519
hate it because, again, as you pointed out, the compensation

573
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,880
level is fairly modest. He's obviously improving. He's always taken

574
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,200
some sort of improvement leap. By the way, why is

575
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,599
it that everyone still packs him as like a future

576
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,720
six man? It's just just because he shoots a lot.

577
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:44,640
I've seen so much of this over the past forty eight.

578
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: Hours because he said he needed Jimmy Butler to win

579
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:49,240
or something, which I take is more of a shot

580
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,359
at bam Adebaio than than Tyler Hero.

581
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,559
Speaker 2: But no, but I'm like, what are we doing here?

582
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:55,599
He's obviously a starter.

583
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,559
Speaker 3: I mean I'm interested, But again, does archetype you know,

584
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,279
fix a lot of these things in Orland. Maybe I'm

585
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,559
not rolling it out, but when push comes to shove

586
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,119
in the playoffs and you're gonna need someone to handle

587
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,200
the ball, protect the ball, create high percentage looks and

588
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:22,640
in very tight half court offense executions, is a Tyler

589
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,279
Hero and Paula Bankaro you trust to facilitate those to

590
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,680
create those. I don't know the answer to that, but

591
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,640
I'm kind of leaning now.

592
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: Well, then I guess that gets interesting because then names

593
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,839
like zach Lavine, Malik Monk, Anthony Simon's one year, twenty

594
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,759
seven point. Everyone's been trying to send Anthorty Simons to

595
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:41,759
the Magic for like three years now, yep. And I

596
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:45,319
mean even for what you're describing, Kobe White is not that.

597
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,599
Speaker 3: Right, but he's cheaper for and for now, and you

598
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,960
can get him for cheaper as well, because the Bulls,

599
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,160
well they're probably gonna lose him, right, they can't extend him,

600
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,240
so that this price tag is why I'm interested in

601
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,519
Kobe here, because you have to give up a ton

602
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:01,039
for books, you have to give up a ton for

603
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,000
hero you have to give up a ton also for

604
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,480
like the good traditional ones out there. Kobe White is

605
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,680
in a situation where the bulls can extend him. We

606
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,119
also know they're horrible negotiators, and that's not even a

607
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,400
joke that we've seen it. I mean, that's that's the thing.

608
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,640
So like there's a world out there where Orlando can

609
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,880
go in sort of fleece them a little bit in

610
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,640
the trademarket to get them. I think that carries some weight,

611
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:28,400
and also because it's so easy to match salary. I

612
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,480
agree with you that Kobe doesn't fit, you know, the

613
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:35,160
narrative of like a Tias Jones archetype for example. Absolutely.

614
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,160
I will say he's gotten better as a playmaker. I

615
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,200
will say he's gotten better as a defender too, for

616
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,519
that matter, and then we're kind of seeing when he's

617
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,119
like the primary guard, he levels up, and that's like

618
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,640
a consistent pattern. I don't know I'd be willing to

619
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,759
roll the dice on it, because I don't think you

620
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,519
relinquish all that much to go get him.

621
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,559
Speaker 1: Do you think there are a lot of there or

622
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,279
any or how many of their offensive issues do you

623
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,559
think could be resolved if let's say that the trade

624
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,279
for the type of floor general or reguard that you're

625
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:09,319
talking about isn't out there, should they be investigating Like

626
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,640
the Norm Powells, he's on an expiring contract at twenty

627
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,680
million cam Johnson deals declining two years, forty three million.

628
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,240
Even if Michael Porter Junior becomes available in Denver for

629
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:22,279
some reason, He's got two years and two years and

630
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:24,440
seventy nine millions. A lot. Cam Johnson is the name

631
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,359
that I kind of stick on where it's if you

632
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,079
told me that wasn't the only move. I don't know

633
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,200
that I would love it, but like that just just

634
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160
to get someone in there who can open up the

635
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,359
floor for what ball handlers they have in place right

636
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,519
now and doesn't Maybe it branks some of the bank

637
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,279
of your asset stash, but it's not going to break

638
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,240
the bank financially for you. That'd be a name if

639
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:45,839
i'm them, that I'd at least be interested in.

640
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,839
Speaker 3: I love Cam Johnson, and I understand that we are

641
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,839
in an age where positional list basketball is a thing,

642
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,200
But where the hell will he play alongside Franz and Paolo?

643
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,559
Speaker 1: Like you could just play the three of them together,

644
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,519
like sometimes maybe polows the big But I think if

645
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,160
you have Wendell Carter Junior as the center, if you

646
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640
bring in another center, I think that could Like we've

647
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960
just seen it, like we've seen the Magic play ultra

648
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:11,839
huge enough for me to believe that that something like

649
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,720
that could work.

650
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,279
Speaker 3: I guess, but maybe we're also maybe we should ask

651
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,400
the question, like is that necessarily the way forward?

652
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,519
Speaker 1: No, I said, as the move, I don't think that

653
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,079
that's the way exactly.

654
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: And Norman Powell, first and foremost, fuck you forgetting me

655
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,079
to criticize Norman Powell right now, because I'm gonna I

656
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:31,519
have to.

657
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: He's not a ball handler.

658
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: Like I love him as a player, I absolutely love him.

659
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,359
Speaker 2: But he's in the right role as he is with

660
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,279
the Clippers right now.

661
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:43,319
Speaker 1: Right But what did I say about him handling the ball?

662
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:44,640
I said, if they weren't going to get.

663
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: That, they weren't going to get that. But like, where again,

664
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,440
then why bother?

665
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: What?

666
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:49,359
Speaker 2: What?

667
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: Like he's just gonna play off of everyone else? Like

668
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,720
what again, Well.

669
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: He's got something like he's got straight line juice to him.

670
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,279
We saw he's got creation juice this year. So you're saying,

671
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,240
you're blaming me for criticizing normal, yes, Norman Powell. But

672
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,319
you're actually levying unjust criticism at Norman Powell.

673
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:05,079
Speaker 2: So that's I am.

674
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: Look, that's why. Yeah, Look, he doesn't solve their issues.

675
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,400
That's the thing. They need someone to be able to

676
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,880
handle the ball, get into the defense, break guys down again, Norman.

677
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:20,240
Norman Powell is great as like the third guy on

678
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,319
a team, like the third score where everything kind of

679
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,119
lines but it has to be the right setting. If

680
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,759
Powlo and Franz are the main you know, playmakers, I

681
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:32,759
hate Norman Powell right there. I don't think that's the

682
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,039
right approach because I don't think they are good enough pastors.

683
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,880
I do like we complement Powlo and France for their playmaking,

684
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,680
and yes, but it's in the context of the positions

685
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,240
that they play, Like, let's be real, they're not elite playmakers.

686
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:51,000
And I think to Norman Powell's, well, how do you

687
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,359
put this? I think he's benefited greatly from playing next

688
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:54,559
to James.

689
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,759
Speaker 1: What do you how do you feel about I do

690
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,759
think you're kind of like glomming onto the idea of

691
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,559
like this guy needs to be just like a traditional

692
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,240
point guard, and I feel like hollow and if you're

693
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:09,079
gonna keep fronds, give you more optionality like Anthony Simon's

694
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,039
to me, I don't know if he'd be my favorite target,

695
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:12,960
but that's someone who could come in and because you

696
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,839
already have some of the secondary playmaking, Kay, you can

697
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,359
get into teeth of defenses and then just hit threes.

698
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,160
I don't like that's he's the furthest thing from a

699
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,160
traditional point guard. But I think that that would be

700
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,480
in terms of a single acquisition, realistic single acquisition that

701
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,079
comes like pretty close to papering over a bunch of

702
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,720
their their issues right.

703
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,559
Speaker 3: Well, so it might not have to be a traditional

704
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,680
point guard. It can't be a combo. I think with

705
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,599
Powell though, he's not even a combo, Like he is

706
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,559
a straight onto. He is he knows who he is, right,

707
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,440
He's more of an off ball guy cutting like, yeah,

708
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,319
you're absolutely right, the straight line drives.

709
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: He's got those. He's never been herkie jerky.

710
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:54,279
Speaker 3: And I think Kobe White, Anthony Simon's, Colin Sexton who's.

711
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: On the list as well.

712
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:01,119
Speaker 3: Those guys can at least get defenses off like off rhythm,

713
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:05,000
so there's there as there they can get to even hell, like,

714
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:07,480
I don't support this, but like sec lavenis also that dude.

715
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,679
He can also bend defenses in many ways.

716
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: But he was cheaper. If he wasn't making so much,

717
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,320
I think he'd be really Yeah.

718
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,039
Speaker 2: He'd be a great fit.

719
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you need someone

720
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,920
at the point or at the lead guard. I just

721
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,119
I don't think it sucks. I don't think it's Powell.

722
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,800
I don't think it's wrong if if Orlando goes into

723
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,400
next season with those three guys and no one else

724
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,559
and says, all right, those three guys are primary playmakers.

725
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: Look, they're gonna be in for a world of hurt offensively.

726
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: Any other names that you want to discuss or add

727
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,800
to the list. There were some Jamal Murray like speculation.

728
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,679
That's again you run into he just sign the max extension.

729
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,880
I really can't see the playoffs. I don't know what

730
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,519
would have to happen for me. Just had a forty

731
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:56,760
burger after we're recording this. I just don't know what

732
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,199
would have to happen for the Nuggets to want to

733
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,280
break up the Jamal Murray Nicola Jokic.

734
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,639
Speaker 3: I'm glad you didn't add Trey Young to that list

735
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,679
because again, the salary concerns there. But you know, he's

736
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,800
been brought up a ton, and I get why.

737
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,559
Speaker 1: Hi. This year's version of him would probably be a

738
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,719
better because he wasn't so ball dominant. But I don't

739
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,760
want someone if I'm the magic in here, who is

740
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,639
going to be You want them to be able to

741
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,559
play off the ball more than we've seen Drey Young

742
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:22,519
ever play off the ball.

743
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, You're absolutely right. He's not the greatest bought up shooter.

744
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,760
And I think that's the challenge because the archet type

745
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,679
that we're kind of trying to bring into Orlando, either

746
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,440
he's not available or he doesn't exist. That's that's the thing, Like,

747
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,719
who is that guy who can take over like the

748
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,199
Tier one playmaking but also shoot off the ball? Look,

749
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,039
the only guy that comes to mind is Steph And

750
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,679
that's like unrealist for Dame two. Yeah, sorry, that's true,

751
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,159
Dame two.

752
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: What also worries me? I don't think they would do this,

753
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,880
but it'd be funny if they actually make like an

754
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,920
ultra big swing. But with the way that this front

755
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,519
office like looks at things and it ends up being

756
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,599
John Morant, where's like, oh, we're gonna go with the

757
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:09,719
athleticism rather than prioritizing the shooting here, I would hate

758
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,440
it too. I want I'm not advocating for it'll be

759
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,960
funny if everyone's been pushing the magic to We're not

760
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,519
even saying they need to make a blockbuster, but I

761
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:16,840
think a lot of people just want to see them

762
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,800
make this huge splash. It would be hilarious if if

763
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,599
they do, and then it's just like so counterintuitive to

764
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:27,440
what they need. Now, we did go over their cap situation,

765
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,000
which is a little bit sticky. So if you're looking

766
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,480
at free agents, you're probably looking at sign and trades

767
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,840
or can you access the non tax payer mid level.

768
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,639
You'd have to clear some money to do that. Any

769
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,000
names on the market that like the list we have here,

770
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,360
and I think we go There's Malik Beasley, Malcolm Brogden,

771
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,840
ty Jerome Tyas Jones, Chris Paul Duncan, Robinson has an Eto,

772
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,360
D'Angelo Russell Moore already mentioned him, Dennis Shruder, and then

773
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,760
Fred van Fleet has a team option. I like Fred

774
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,199
van Fleet a lot for what he could do off

775
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,159
the ball, but I think they probably need if you're

776
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,119
gonna go that route, probably want someone who's a better

777
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,760
just like use that with Norman Powell's not creating advantages

778
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,840
for others. Fred van Fleet is not as limited in

779
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,320
that respect, but he's pretty limited for a point guard.

780
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,199
Speaker 3: So your second name on that list is interesting, pending health.

781
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,079
Malcolm Broughton again, and that's the big thing with him

782
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:23,119
with health, right, but in an optimal world where he's

783
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:28,079
healthy just for sixty games, he would be such a

784
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,320
perfect fit there because he actually does many of the

785
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,280
things that we're talking about off ball, on ball defense,

786
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,480
can rework, can work himself into virtually every lineup. I

787
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,960
genuinely believe that if Malcolm Broughton had stayed more healthy

788
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,159
over the course of his career, he'd been the shooting

789
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,599
guard version of Al Horford, just in terms of how

790
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:52,360
he can bend himself into so many different positions. That

791
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,480
sounded dirty, not in my attention, but you know what

792
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:57,599
I mean. And for him to come into a young

793
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Magic team on a much lesser yeah, unlesser compensation level,

794
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,679
that was the word I was looking for, that'd be

795
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,679
such a great get. I don't know what he's gonna

796
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:12,679
get in the open market, especially because of his injury history.

797
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,119
If they can get him for virtually nothing, sign him

798
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:18,920
the f up because at least you have a stop

799
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,119
gap for a while and or at least until he

800
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,760
goes down with an injury. I don't hate that acquisition

801
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,719
at all. If the if they go get him.

802
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be curious see what he gets to and

803
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,800
whether what the Wizards might decide to, like use his

804
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,119
bird rights to keep him. But I don't like we're

805
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,599
talking about this right now. The Captain Landscapes is such

806
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,320
that who's coming in with a non taxpayermid level for

807
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,199
Malcolm Brockton, Is he gonna end up being like a

808
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,199
mini mL E type guy? For all we know at

809
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:44,760
this point, it's probably possible.

810
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:46,639
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule that out.

811
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: Uh, if you're gonna go after shooting again, I'm aware

812
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,280
for anyone. Like I know that Elie Beasley and Duncan

813
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Robinson aren't point guards, but if you want, dudes can

814
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:57,280
come in and just kind of flamethrow from beyond the arc.

815
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,159
I wouldn't hate Chris Paul here though. Let's just like

816
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,440
the Aaron Fox and Steph Castle are in San Antonio.

817
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,800
Chris Paul wants to be on a contender. He shot

818
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,880
the three ball like the volume on his threes was

819
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,800
great this year, and he can still set up plays

820
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,880
getting into the teeth of defenses. He's not gonna cut

821
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,880
guys off mismatches, that's tough, but he would certainly come

822
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,920
in and be able to organize things, I think without

823
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,079
infringing upon like the functional existences of pala war frons.

824
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,119
Speaker 3: If there's a guard out there that doesn't need to

825
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,320
get into the teeth of the defense to break guys

826
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,559
down and still be able to deliver pass.

827
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: It's just still Chris freaking' Paul.

828
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,559
Speaker 1: So you know that it is not mil Bridges despite

829
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,719
how he played. Just in case anyone's under.

830
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 3: So, like, yeah, he would be interesting. Is he interested

831
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,679
leaving San Antonio? It's like the Again, I'm not trying

832
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,880
to say I have sources on this because I have

833
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,840
no idea, but it felt like to me that he

834
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,880
was when I spoke with him, that he was just

835
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,880
so in tune with the Spurs.

836
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: He loved it. There.

837
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: Again, that could be pr fodder, That could be him

838
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,239
just saying the right thing. I have no idea, but

839
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,000
it did seem like he genuinely enjoys the Spurs experience.

840
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,199
Does he want to hang on to like after what

841
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,679
they've done, like or aligned them to this season or

842
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,280
this summer?

843
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,199
Speaker 2: Rather, we don't know.

844
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 3: He'd be a great gut You have Duncan Robinson on

845
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,519
the list, which I think is interesting, like just basically

846
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:20,639
as a straight on off ball guy.

847
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: Is that you're thinking, Yeah, I mean he does some

848
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,320
stuff inside the arc. Now the magic just don't have

849
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,599
the space thing to actualize it. But they need, and

850
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:30,760
I guess Jet Howard support, but like they don't have

851
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,400
that guy that can just come in and get shots

852
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,760
up like flying around screens or get him up in volume.

853
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,840
And if Duncan Robinson's the like exercising his ETO, I'm

854
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
assuming he's taking a pay cut just over like a

855
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,400
longer period of time now, And I think the magic's

856
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,760
like half court offense. Some of the stuff we saw,

857
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,599
like away from the ball for them when they were

858
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,079
closer to full strength, makes me believe that they would figure

859
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,960
out how to utilize him. But he's still even more

860
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,360
so than Malik Beasy, Like you need someone to set

861
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,320
him up. And while you do have Pollow and Franz,

862
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,400
the entire point of this exercise was kind of to

863
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,639
figure out, well, how do we upgrade like that spot

864
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,960
and Duncan Robinson or Malik Beasley or Norman Powell to

865
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,960
circle back to that, that feels like the move after

866
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,800
you make the caps lock move.

867
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,199
Speaker 3: See now at being on Norman Powell after you make

868
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,079
the caps luck move.

869
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

870
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:20,639
Speaker 3: I think that's a good way to phrase it, Like

871
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,360
you have your priorities in place, right if you do

872
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:26,760
get that guy who can go in and handle the

873
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:27,760
offense a great deal.

874
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: Then that's when you go out.

875
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,199
Speaker 3: And find like the guys who benefit from that, And

876
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,960
in that case, Norman Powell would be extremely high on

877
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,400
my list.

878
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,679
Speaker 1: What do you think of Like if you were then

879
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,239
would you consider taking a flyer on someone who's more

880
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,960
unproven or like, let's let's just say there's a mega

881
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,320
trade happening read Shepherd's being traded, but the Magic have

882
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,760
the ability to go in and like acquire him as

883
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,760
part of that, or are you looking for a more

884
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,000
I think I love Reach Shepherd, but just I think

885
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,199
I need a more bankable option here for that. I

886
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,039
think he's gonna be really good, and they could certainly

887
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,519
insulate like all of his defensive struggles, and I think

888
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,960
he still might be fine on that before long term anyway,

889
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,960
I guess maybe I also don't trust like the code,

890
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,800
Like are they gonna give him enough minutes like they

891
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,800
seem to They gave Tristan to Silva a ton of

892
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,280
minutes out of the gate because they had to, and

893
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,880
also because he's someone who can theoretically defend. They've seem

894
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,079
to like hold back on other dudes that can't theoretically

895
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,400
defend or might struggle on that end, But I like

896
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,079
my point might right about way of asking, does it

897
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:31,760
have to be more of just like a veteran or

898
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,119
would you consider rolling the dice on like maybe a

899
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,840
not a reclamation project or necessarily a second dream But

900
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,320
even someone not young but like Todd Jerome is super

901
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,400
unproven when we're looking at this, but he would be

902
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,320
a somewhat intriguing fit here too.

903
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you're asking me is what I roll the

904
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,119
dice on someone who isn't as established to a lot

905
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,360
of guys. Yeah, look, I mean again, it depends on

906
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,920
the player and depends on how I feel about that guy.

907
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,559
Speaker 1: Oh no, I meant as the move though, not as

908
00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,280
like this is the only move we're ever gonna make.

909
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,519
But it's because you could look at Ti Jerome and say, well,

910
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:04,960
or let's say you just look at plugging a youngster

911
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,360
in there and say, well, if we got a veteran

912
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,920
in who could play in front of him or something.

913
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:10,280
But as just like the solution, like they're coming in

914
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000
and saying Ti Jerome is our starting one or Reed

915
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,000
is our starting one.

916
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,159
Speaker 3: That's tough, right, I mean again, you'd have to be

917
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,760
you would have to go back to the draft boards

918
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,599
and figure out, like how high were we on this

919
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:29,559
guy during the draft time, Like how did we feel

920
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:34,440
about him? What were are internal projection projections for him?

921
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,920
You know, do we think under this, in this system

922
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,360
he can thrive? Like you have to ask yourself a

923
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:44,440
million questions. But if everything is coming up Millhouse, why

924
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,480
not why not try to go about it? I mean,

925
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,079
look read Shepherd, I think that might not be a

926
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,039
bad move. That could be one of those things where

927
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:53,519
it could look like a freaking steal a couple of

928
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:54,119
years from now.

929
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: Now.

930
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 3: He's small, though very small. It's not just the height,

931
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,480
it's like the stature. He's not a big guy, and

932
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:10,159
it seems like Orlando has prioritized like size, positional size,

933
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,119
so for him, that would almost go against the grain

934
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,320
of what they're used to. But that also is kind

935
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,079
of interesting, Like if they're open minded enough to saying,

936
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:20,360
all right, you know what, we need to get a

937
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,880
guy and who doesn't necessarily fit our understanding of the

938
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:25,440
archetype that we always want.

939
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate it.

940
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: I'd probably if I'm a Magic fan, I'd probably look

941
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,320
at it and go, is that all we did?

942
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 1: I have questions.

943
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what exactly happened? Like is everything we got was?

944
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,079
Speaker 3: Is that like a guy with a stash who averaged

945
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,119
like what four points per game this year?

946
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 2: I don't even know what he averaged. I don't remember.

947
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: I will say if they did do that, though, I

948
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,480
would instantly with him and Paolo on the same team

949
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,719
in Jo and Some's, I'd instantly just become an Orlando Magic.

950
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a feeling you would. Yeah.

951
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know what name I didn't bring up. I

952
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,000
don't know how valiable he is because he actually seem

953
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,599
more important when you know the.

954
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: LA in Europe. Stop pitching, Frank.

955
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: All right, well, my next name on the list is

956
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,280
and his team makeup I think right now has set

957
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,559
up that they need him more than they did at

958
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,840
the start of this season. Weirdly a Manuel Quickly kind

959
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,599
of another big money name, but he's in the realm

960
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,719
of Joe and Suggs. He's not costing you a Max.

961
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:21,280
You know, that's not a Max guy.

962
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: I'm still blown away by all the pushback he got

963
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,039
this year, or just the criticisms like he wasn't healthy.

964
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: I don't He's never had like real practice time with

965
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,000
this team anymore like he came like they talked there's

966
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,800
a lot of people talking about defensive regression, and there was,

967
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,159
but you mentioned the injury. I also think like familiarity

968
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,760
is a part of that, and the Raptors play such

969
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,360
an aggressive style that you have a manual quickly a

970
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,880
healthy training camp. I think he would fit. I'm not

971
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,599
saying he deserved to be Defensive Player of the Year

972
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:51,639
All Defense at any point, but right now it feels

973
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,360
like we've veered towards too far of the negative. We

974
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,400
can never just exist in the happy medium space. Everything

975
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,119
has to be absolute. Apparently.

976
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,559
Speaker 3: Yea, look a guy who's in and out of the

977
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:03,800
lineup all year, and he wasn't like, oh he missed

978
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,559
a chunk here and that was it. Then he came

979
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,880
back and played every game like consecutively. No, it was

980
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,679
in and out of the lineup constantly. That is so

981
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,159
much harder than if it's just one long injury and

982
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,320
it's still I'm I'm just gonna say, I know raw

983
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,440
stats is not the way to go, but I'm look,

984
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,039
seventeen points per game in twenty seven minutes, almost six assists,

985
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,840
three and a half boards. He's always been a tremendous rebounder.

986
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,679
He got up almost seven triples per game in those

987
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:33,880
twenty seven well almost twenty eight minutes and for three FROs.

988
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 2: Like, the guy's just productive.

989
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: And I understand that in today's NBA sphere of analysis

990
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,199
and opinions, everyone wants the oh, look at that wing

991
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,800
who averages four points per game, but the wing span,

992
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,400
Oh my god, he can defend four levels. Yeah, that's cool,

993
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,480
but you also need guys who can just flat out produce.

994
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: Come on, like, at some point, Paul George, you think

995
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,519
this is a Paul George team, Oh my god, you.

996
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: Had to go there, You had to go there.

997
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: Uh No, But like Emmanuel Quickly can fricking produce, like

998
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,079
he's shown that sometimes. I think even sach Lowe said

999
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,119
this a couple of weeks ago. At some point, you

1000
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,079
just gotta put up stats. I think he was talking

1001
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,840
about Dalan Terry or something like basically like, yeah, they

1002
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,239
look fine, but like they had like one rebound or

1003
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,199
two assists or something, and that was it. And at

1004
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:23,440
some point you just got to do something. Emmanuel quickly

1005
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:26,800
does something. He does something all the time, and yeah,

1006
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,119
will there be areas where he's not perfect, absolutely, but

1007
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,880
for Orlando specifically, Fuck, yes, I'm in. I just don't

1008
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,960
consider him available. That's why I didn't even think about him.

1009
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I don't even like if Toronto even won

1010
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,000
the lottery, I think you could even then argue that

1011
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,360
a macieal quickly becomes more important to that roster because

1012
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,559
of everything he goes off the ball.

1013
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good shout on him. By the way,

1014
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,079
that's a good name because he's actually like for what

1015
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,679
we're talking about in terms of the archetype, he's pretty

1016
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:56,400
close to it.

1017
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: Actually, he's actually I think of all the names that

1018
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,920
we mentioned, and if you're looking for someone who has

1019
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,480
a track record, yeah, does he come the closest to

1020
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:07,840
just kind of checking all of the boxes in the

1021
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,679
most significant fashion. Probably?

1022
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

1023
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, like not too too expensive, but not so cheap

1024
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,239
that you're not gonna play him. And then okay he's

1025
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,079
not your a plus playmaker, but he can do some

1026
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,719
live drible things. Yeah, I would like that, And but

1027
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:24,119
I don't know the magic due without putting fronds or

1028
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:26,000
sugs on the table, like they still they don't quite

1029
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,320
have Choose your own adventure trade assets, But like all

1030
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,320
things are possible if you're gonna put enough on the table,

1031
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,519
like they have the ability to like throw some flyers

1032
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,599
and draft picks on the table, and maybe something happens

1033
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,760
with Toronto over the offseason that sort of changes the

1034
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,559
calculus of where they're headed. But I would agree with

1035
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,880
you that I don't think Emmanuel Quickly's unavailable, But he's

1036
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,800
also he's not one of those guys that are untouchable either, right,

1037
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:48,679
I mean.

1038
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:52,039
Speaker 3: Look, Orlando or sorry, Toronto absolutely has needs. They need

1039
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,760
more small forwards obviously, because that's just the way they're

1040
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,599
they're building their teams. Apparently now they need to start

1041
00:48:57,639 --> 00:48:59,679
five small forwards. I think they have three out of

1042
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,000
four or three out of five at this point. So yeah,

1043
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,400
what can Orlando give them their KCP? He's a three now, right,

1044
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,159
he's not quick enough to be a two. There we go,

1045
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,159
KCP for Emanuel Quickly. Get everything you need, Toronto, just wings,

1046
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:18,320
just wings, wings for days.

1047
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: You just angered in an entire nation. Congratulations, you got

1048
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,320
anything else on the magic or are you ready to

1049
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,840
tell our listeners where they can find you and all

1050
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,239
the work that you do. Well?

1051
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: I think we're good. I mean it's the Magic. How

1052
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,719
much can you really talk about them?

1053
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,079
Speaker 2: At this day?

1054
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: We call them for forty five plus minutes, and they

1055
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,360
are I really do believe that the Magic are like

1056
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,840
a giant hiding in plane sight. But the problem is

1057
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,440
is that like even their own front office apparently can't

1058
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,960
see it. And that's the real thing, that's the real

1059
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:43,559
issue here.

1060
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 3: My one of my Danish podcast partners's he's basically saying

1061
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,360
he's said for a while, I don't think Orlando as

1062
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,400
an organization should exist. And it's like every time I

1063
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,960
talk about Orlando, I get him in the back of

1064
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:01,400
my mind and he's and he's kind of as time

1065
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,639
goes on, like first it was the organization, now it's this,

1066
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,360
it's the city of Orlando should not exist.

1067
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for him to branch into Florida.

1068
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: Like I actually do think there's a lot of excitement

1069
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,519
going on around this team. I signed them pretty exciting myself,

1070
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,440
as long as they don't go into these droughts of

1071
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:21,679
these slock fests where it's like, oh, we're going to

1072
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,519
average eighty one over the next three games, Like no, yeah.

1073
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: They're out of it. We didn't talk about this nearly enough,

1074
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,280
Like they're out of excuses. There's no more waiting on

1075
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,519
like maybe this guy pops, And like the offense, no,

1076
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:34,960
there's just I know you had injuries, but like we

1077
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,800
now have. You've lost in the playoffs two years in

1078
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,840
a row, exactly how everyone expected you to agree it

1079
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,199
was the Celtics. You put them through hell defensively, but

1080
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,000
like your offense is just so constantly operating in the muck,

1081
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:50,079
and there's no more excuses. And I don't think it's

1082
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,079
I don't necessarily think it's the problem of any one

1083
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,320
player on the roster. It's just that this collection of

1084
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,280
talent very clearly needs one or two very specific types

1085
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,880
of other talents to be optimized.

1086
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: Right. You know what's gonna be interesting.

1087
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: It's gonna be in three years, because that is the

1088
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:09,400
length that they gave Vooch, Aaron Gordon and Evan forty.

1089
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,000
They gave them six seasons together to see if something

1090
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,840
magical would happen.

1091
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,079
Speaker 2: It didn't, obviously, it just ended on a dud.

1092
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: But I think that like I will give them this,

1093
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,840
to give a core that many years together to see

1094
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,760
if they can figure it out, shows patience. That is

1095
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,079
something that a lot of teams could learn from because

1096
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,119
they are like two quick on the trigger to get

1097
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,079
out of a situation. So it's gonna be interesting to

1098
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:38,440
see how Orlando bo stays the cores with the current

1099
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:40,119
nucleus and how they add to it.

1100
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: More. Tell everyone where they can find you and all

1101
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,239
your work, please.

1102
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me over at blue Sky at

1103
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:51,199
MSJ NBA, where I share links from Yahoo, from Forbes,

1104
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,679
and from the Danish podcast and of course the one

1105
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,880
in English that you're listening to right now as well.

1106
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: Yes, but you do not share links to the NBA

1107
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,400
pot Yes, what is that about?

1108
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: You know what that is? Because you are quicker than me.

1109
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,960
It's the same file, So I just repost.

1110
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you publish before I do, though, so that's also.

1111
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,639
Speaker 3: I know I'm look if you really actually, I'm actually

1112
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,760
lying to everyone because I always forget to go in

1113
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:20,519
and and attach my links to Forbes, for example, and

1114
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,000
I even think I'm like behind on three articles or

1115
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:26,480
at Yahoo. So I have to do a lot better

1116
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,840
of just pimping my work. I'm just too busy doing

1117
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,320
a lot of stuff. I'm too busy working and podcasting

1118
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,400
with you, that's the thing.

1119
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,639
Speaker 1: What though, you're not watching basketball clearly with some of

1120
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:36,199
these takes.

1121
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,679
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, mister cant.

1122
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:49,639
Speaker 2: That oh man, all right, all right.

1123
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: Until next time and as always with you with the

1124
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,679
shout out to the one, the only, the one player

1125
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,599
who actually can fix Orlando Magics problems across the board,

1126
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,119
mister Frank siver Kei Rack