Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to another episode of the Ruby Rogues podcast.
Speaker 1: This week, on our panel we have Valentino Stole.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm Charles Maxwood from Top End Devs, And this
Speaker 1: week we have a special guest and that is Gustavo Vealnezuela.
Speaker 1: I hope I got close the gifts.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Gustavo and I had a conversation a little
Speaker 1: bit ago. I think we met over LinkedIn, I want
Speaker 1: to say, and yeah, I ran across startup Startups on
Speaker 1: Rails and I was like, hey, this looks cool and
Speaker 1: I wanted to know what he was doing with it.
Speaker 1: So we had a chat about it. And I think
Speaker 1: you're probably better to tell people what it is than me,
Speaker 1: so I'll let you take it from here. You want
Speaker 1: to just tell people kind of a little bit about
Speaker 1: your background and then what Startups on Rails is and
Speaker 1: what you're hoping to do with it.
Speaker 3: Of course, thank you, Charles, I appreciate you. First, Like
Speaker 3: I said, thank you for allowing me to be year
Speaker 3: in your podcast. This is my first one, so I'm
Speaker 3: excited hopefully the first of many. Yeah, this is like
Speaker 3: the only type of interaction that we get amongstvelopers right
Speaker 3: low for seems to be a very lonely, lonely professional
Speaker 3: So podcast is a good way.
Speaker 1: Unless your boss is overly involved in what you're doing,
Speaker 1: probably won't never mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, Like you said, I I've been
Speaker 3: working on the start of some rails for a while.
Speaker 3: I am a movie on rails developer, so I am.
Speaker 3: I guess you can consider.
Speaker 2: Me a new.
Speaker 3: A movie or a how do they call it that,
Speaker 3: the new career or forget the term that they use.
Speaker 2: But pretty much I've been uh, I haven't. I'm in
Speaker 2: the proces of trying.
Speaker 3: To get into into into a full time employment. I've
Speaker 3: had a few a few contracts here and there, but
Speaker 3: you know, getting full time. But I've been doing un
Speaker 3: rails actually since twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. That was the
Speaker 3: first time I learned about rails through a boot camp.
Speaker 3: The first time around, I kind of just wanted to
Speaker 3: learn so that I can build my own products. That
Speaker 3: was my original goal, and so I you know, I
Speaker 3: did the boot com and then tried a few different
Speaker 3: things didn't really work out. I got distracted in other
Speaker 3: areas so kind of abandoned development up until.
Speaker 2: I think it was the beginning of the pandemic. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was before or after.
Speaker 3: Picked it up again, tried to you know, get good
Speaker 3: at it, trying to kind of learn that the holes
Speaker 3: that I had from the first time, and that went well,
Speaker 3: and then the pandemic hit us and there was all
Speaker 3: these layoffs. So I was, oh, my goodness, I came
Speaker 3: back to development for nothing. But I started, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So I kept with the it and then I, you know,
Speaker 3: because there weren't a lot of listings or jobs, I
Speaker 3: wanted to kind of find out what what the rublen
Speaker 3: rails companies in the area. Even if they I figure,
Speaker 3: if they don't have a posting a job posting, I
Speaker 3: could always reach out to them and try to you know,
Speaker 3: get a connection going. And uh, I found out that
Speaker 3: there wasn't any place that I could uh see what
Speaker 3: companies were built on rebolion rails, so I can reach
Speaker 3: out to them, and pretty much only the ones that
Speaker 3: post job opening. So I decided to kind of start
Speaker 3: building my own database on my own uh huh. And
Speaker 3: so I figured, you know, I could use that, but
Speaker 3: this could also be something that other people in the
Speaker 3: community could use. So I found the uh the the
Speaker 3: domain start off some rails dot com and I started
Speaker 3: to build that as a database, just a docommentation of companies.
Speaker 2: Built on rubies and rails.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, I started sharing with the community,
Speaker 3: decided to get some engagement with the community. I got
Speaker 3: some feedback and people liked the product, so I, you know,
Speaker 3: kept building it, and actually I stopped for bid and yeah.
Speaker 2: I stopped for a while. I stopped building it. So
Speaker 2: now I'm back.
Speaker 3: I've been building it like for the last couple of
Speaker 3: months to make it into a full on project that
Speaker 3: people could use. That's kind of my story more or less.
Speaker 3: My father, two girls, a husband, and Ruben Rael's developer.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, being a girl dad's fun. I think Valentino
Speaker 1: has kids too, but I don't know if he has
Speaker 1: girls or not.
Speaker 4: I've got one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have three and two boys. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: so the way we could talk about girl daddy, but
Speaker 1: that's that's a whole different thing. So yeah, So first
Speaker 1: of all, I'm just kind of curious because I love
Speaker 1: the idea. Right, It's like, who's who's out there using rails?
Speaker 1: How do you start figuring out what companies actually use rails.
Speaker 1: I mean some of them are kind of I guess
Speaker 1: well known, right there's you know, base camp or Heroku
Speaker 1: or get hub. I think Airbnb was started on rails.
Speaker 1: And then I also am aware that like companies like Twitter,
Speaker 1: you know, they started out using rails but then kind
Speaker 1: of migrated to I think it's a mixed stack. They
Speaker 1: probably have rails in there somewhere still because it's hard
Speaker 1: to get rid of a technology once you adopted. But
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of their stuff went to
Speaker 1: Skala and stuff like that, and so yeah, how do
Speaker 1: you decide who's on the list and how do you
Speaker 1: figure out who's using rails?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was a challenge, challenging situation in the beginning.
Speaker 2: So my first approach was.
Speaker 3: To kind of manually get as many as I could
Speaker 3: on my own and then reach out to the community
Speaker 3: and do some type of outsourcing or crowdsourcing and get
Speaker 3: people to kind of sub meet there either companies that
Speaker 3: they work for or their own projects or companies they know.
Speaker 3: And that worked to a certain degree, but you know,
Speaker 3: I got a couple of hundred companies that way. So
Speaker 3: what I'm doing now is I'm trying to do some
Speaker 3: scraping and looking through different websites and listings and things
Speaker 3: that ultimately I think there's about seven hundred thousand website
Speaker 3: built on rooven rails.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 3: So that's gonna be a challenging task. So I'll take
Speaker 3: any any ideas or imput from the community.
Speaker 1: Is there a way for people to submit Hey, we
Speaker 1: use rails right, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Usually what I do right now is I periodically, I
Speaker 3: you know, post a tweet or x and ask people
Speaker 3: to to give me some ideas. I should have built,
Speaker 3: um hm, something where people can submit on my on
Speaker 3: the website, but I haven't.
Speaker 2: Built that yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so.
Speaker 2: Far it's just really through Twitter.
Speaker 1: They use rails at doc Simity, don't they, Valentino.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do pretty heavily.
Speaker 2: Medicine.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I noticed that there's a number of medical
Speaker 3: companies or startups that I use rails, at least a handful.
Speaker 3: I've seen a pretty big startups. Yes, this reminds me of.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know, but Andy Kroll has
Speaker 5: recently like published using rails dot com. Yes, I do
Speaker 5: like kind of how you how the layout of your
Speaker 5: site works?
Speaker 4: Though? Uh, where are you like.
Speaker 5: Pulling information from that data sources as well, or uh.
Speaker 2: I'm pulling in information from a lot of different sources. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I do know.
Speaker 3: I mean he's one of the tan that just recently
Speaker 3: popped up.
Speaker 5: Right, I know there's so many now Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 5: guess where like where does this like? Uh, I guess
Speaker 5: I'm trying. Like the design this is awesome. I wish
Speaker 5: I had seen this, to be honest, like so many
Speaker 5: times in my career, right, being able to filter it
Speaker 5: by different things and tooling and things like that. Ah, Like,
Speaker 5: how do you, like, how do you think about like
Speaker 5: the consolidation of these different companies and.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe what are your plans for it? I guess, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a good question.
Speaker 3: So I just recently noticed that there's a number of companies,
Speaker 3: So I kind of like, I don't want to build
Speaker 3: something that's already you know, doesn't have a utility or
Speaker 3: you know a lot of people are doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: So I think there is opportunity to build on top
Speaker 3: of these database right, to build features that could be
Speaker 3: useful for a community, like I mean, the lowest hanging
Speaker 3: tree is just categories, right, But also I want to
Speaker 3: know I don't know, even categories that are more outside
Speaker 3: of the typical categories, like I'm thinking companies that are
Speaker 3: more active hiring unior developers, you know, or companies that
Speaker 3: are more active supporting open source. That type of categorizing
Speaker 3: I think, uh, just given the the users kind of
Speaker 3: options as to who they would want to support, right
Speaker 3: if in or or another category could be uh, you know,
Speaker 3: the substitutes for the rail substitutes or rule substitute for
Speaker 3: such and such a products. But uh, there's I think
Speaker 3: opportunity to create content on top of that content targeted
Speaker 3: towards not necessarily developers, but product product people or or
Speaker 3: busines people. Ah, just marketing the tools and the framework
Speaker 3: in general.
Speaker 2: That's just one.
Speaker 3: But I you know, I have a list of ideas
Speaker 3: that I could build that I could build on top
Speaker 3: of the the the database.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Another thing that I one of the things that I
Speaker 3: want that I like to do is kind of get
Speaker 3: involved with the developers in a company. So one of
Speaker 3: the features that I'm working on right now is h
Speaker 3: adding the ability to for companies to list open source
Speaker 3: that they're working on, so if and if they need
Speaker 3: help with whatever open source. So but through that if
Speaker 3: I'm a developer looking to connect with other companies, I
Speaker 3: can go to the company see there if they have
Speaker 3: some open source open source each I can you know,
Speaker 3: start participating through that and maybe through that hopefully make
Speaker 3: a connection with that.
Speaker 2: With the company. If that makes any sense. I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that I feel like could
Speaker 3: be built on top of just the pure debase.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I love seeing that on the company view.
Speaker 5: It would be really cool if you could like submit
Speaker 5: like you know, a pull request right from the page
Speaker 5: and say, hey, I'm I'm up.
Speaker 4: I'd like to update.
Speaker 5: The information here, like have a signing with GitHub kind
Speaker 5: of thing so you can verify that they're like part
Speaker 5: of that organization even, right. Yeah, Like it definitely like
Speaker 5: feels like that's like what you could do. Like, ah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know, Like how do you That's the hard
Speaker 5: part with like all of this stuff is like, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just you, right, community, Like, you know, how how
Speaker 5: do you get like the community involved in all of
Speaker 5: these different sites that exist and guarded support?
Speaker 2: Right? Like?
Speaker 5: Uh, where where do you find like the most like
Speaker 5: people want to like help contribute to so far? Uh?
Speaker 3: You mean in my personal project or just in Enner
Speaker 3: first start up on reels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know where.
Speaker 3: So I haven't really, to be honest, the last couple
Speaker 3: of few couple of months, I haven't been interacting. But
Speaker 3: that's a good question. I can ask the community as
Speaker 3: to where a direction they would like for this to go.
Speaker 3: But and then you're asking in terms of like having
Speaker 3: people ah contribute to this project or is that the question,
Speaker 3: or or just what people would like in terms of features.
Speaker 5: I guess I mentioned in both, but I was more
Speaker 5: like where people are are currently like interested in contributing
Speaker 5: to add stuff like do you see uh, do you
Speaker 5: see people are like you know, they reach out to
Speaker 5: you about wanting to update specific things or it's a
Speaker 5: pretty low volume at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be honest, I haven't yet. I haven't really
Speaker 3: lounged officially, so I haven't put it out out there.
Speaker 3: But that is a good question. I haven't asked, I
Speaker 3: haven't seen any I haven't had any requests. And also
Speaker 3: the idea of maybe open sourcing this project sounds interesting, right,
Speaker 3: so people can mhm, you know, contribute directly. That would
Speaker 3: be a good idea. I would have to clean my
Speaker 3: database it's a little embarrassing right now.
Speaker 1: That's that's a story of like more than half my code.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, there's a ton of junk in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's but that's an interesting idea, and it's
Speaker 3: another another way to gain experience, right managing this open
Speaker 3: source for it would be interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also curious. So you mentioned that you wanted
Speaker 1: to know what companies were kind of local to you
Speaker 1: that were using rails you know, maybe for a job
Speaker 1: search or something. But you know, and that kind of
Speaker 1: appeals to me. I'm curious also just from kind of
Speaker 1: the broader view, because a lot of people that I
Speaker 1: talked to are how do I put it there, they're
Speaker 1: kind of looking for their next position or their next
Speaker 1: you know whatever, their next job. And yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: you know, I think something like that would really help.
Speaker 1: But also with all the layoffs and everything else, do
Speaker 1: you see the rails market shrinking or growing or do
Speaker 1: you have a feeling about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I just know that, but you're about
Speaker 3: eighteen months ago. I have recruiters hitting me up. You know,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't normally make it through the whole interview, but
Speaker 3: right now, you know, I'm trying to buy and things
Speaker 3: of that. It's hard. I mean, in terms of the feeling,
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like there's openings, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I don't know if it's a good time if
Speaker 3: the openings are there, and you just have to directly
Speaker 3: kind of get in tight to the company and see
Speaker 3: if you can get in that way, or they just
Speaker 3: flat out no openings or no opportunities. But in any case,
Speaker 3: it's always better to to try out different fighters, right
Speaker 3: and your.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it's it's also interesting because I think
Speaker 1: there are companies that use rails that could use the help,
Speaker 1: but because of the way the economy is sitting right now,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's just hard for them to
Speaker 1: be able to afford or justify the additional headcount.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's not, hey, there's not work to be done. It's just,
Speaker 1: you know, given the current state of things, we're not comfortable,
Speaker 1: you know, making the commitment to pay another salary given
Speaker 1: our you know, where we see finances going and where
Speaker 1: we see the the economy going long term. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want to stay open, you kind of have
Speaker 1: to plan ahead with your cash flow, and it's hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just a matter of numbers, right,
Speaker 3: it's math.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me that you know that the
Speaker 3: economy together with AI, which I've been using, you know,
Speaker 3: the last few months, more and more, I do think
Speaker 3: it makes developers way more.
Speaker 2: Effective, right way more.
Speaker 3: I know for me, it's says a feature that I
Speaker 3: could sometimes taken two days to do, I can do
Speaker 3: it in half a day, you know. And that's me
Speaker 3: being like super careful, you know, looking at everything and
Speaker 3: trying to analyze everything and not really knowing my way around.
Speaker 3: But I think that it's a fact to me that
Speaker 3: some that you know, needed two or three developers, maybe
Speaker 3: not one developer can do it, and that's just a reality.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think a good way for developers like
Speaker 3: that our unemployee, I think a good alternative is building
Speaker 3: your own products, right building.
Speaker 2: I'm being this right you comment entrepreneurial?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So how did you build this thing? What? Like,
Speaker 4: what's uh what's the stack? What did you go with?
Speaker 3: So Ruby and rails? That's what I've been doing for
Speaker 3: a for a while. Fastest thing, you.
Speaker 5: Know, are you using all the shiny new tools like
Speaker 5: the all the solid stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I haven't even gotten into into that.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like there's so much, so much everything.
Speaker 5: I feel like that's one thing that's missing that maybe
Speaker 5: some magic contributor out there will contribute. But like, just
Speaker 5: like a all the features of reels, like pick them apart,
Speaker 5: look at all the lists, like you know, editors, like
Speaker 5: you know, drop down selects, forms, like all the different
Speaker 5: things that you can do with it. Just like that
Speaker 5: you can just see better because I feel like the
Speaker 5: guides are a great start, but like it's more granular
Speaker 5: that I want, right, Like I want okay, Like I'm
Speaker 5: working on email stuff, like what features do I have
Speaker 5: available in rails?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: And I feel like there's so many just for email, right,
Speaker 5: Like it would be interesting to see a visualization of that.
Speaker 1: Uh so you're talking about like features in action mailer
Speaker 1: and then there's also the other one that reads the emails.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and even on a you know, a more scoped
Speaker 5: level of like okay, like I have like a you know,
Speaker 5: an active record model, Like what are all the features
Speaker 5: that I can inject into this model?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Because I'm using active record as like a base class, right,
Speaker 5: and like there's so many like DSL methods you could
Speaker 5: use that are specific to that that would be nice
Speaker 5: to just like kind of like the guides like have
Speaker 5: a good like general overview of like associations and like
Speaker 5: smaller pieces, right, but like, uh, I don't know, like
Speaker 5: what about the more specific Uh you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, in different use cases.
Speaker 3: You know, it's I think it's like, yeah, is it doubles,
Speaker 3: so you know, it's it's that is sort with frameworks
Speaker 3: like grails, right, that it's so good for you because
Speaker 3: it gives you everything. But on the other hand, it's
Speaker 3: to you know, gives you everything. So there's tones and
Speaker 3: tones and tones of features and uh, aspectude that are
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard to know everything.
Speaker 2: But I think that almost gets sold gets sold by AI. Right.
Speaker 3: AI is good at scrolling through everything, and then we
Speaker 3: just verify that it's indeed what we need. You know,
Speaker 3: I think that's AI and real it's it's a good parent.
Speaker 1: Would I would say that that is kind of true.
Speaker 1: It depends on what they're training it on. Right, So
Speaker 1: like Action Mailbox was the other library I was trying
Speaker 1: to think of, right where it effectively it goes and
Speaker 1: it grabs the emails and then it essentially routes it
Speaker 1: through something that's sort of like a controller, right, and
Speaker 1: so then it does things with the emails, which I
Speaker 1: think is really slick, right, And that's that's something that
Speaker 1: I can think of a couple of use cases for.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know if a lot of
Speaker 1: people are using it, and so I don't know if
Speaker 1: the code that they have fed into the AI large
Speaker 1: language models to say, hey, this is a good you know,
Speaker 1: a good example of how to do this, right, because
Speaker 1: it has to train it a bunch of times, and
Speaker 1: so if you ask it for action mailbox code, it
Speaker 1: may not be great, right, But if you're looking at
Speaker 1: some of the more common stuff like active record and
Speaker 1: a lot of the more common use cases that people
Speaker 1: put active record to, I would imagine that that's probably
Speaker 1: a lot more commonly gonna come up and be handled
Speaker 1: well by.
Speaker 2: You know, by.
Speaker 1: The large language models, right, because you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a zillion examples because everybody's using models. But even then,
Speaker 1: like if there's some obscure feature that not a lot
Speaker 1: of people use, even if it's a powerful one and
Speaker 1: could do good things for your app, it may not
Speaker 1: opt for it because it's been trained over and over
Speaker 1: and over again on how people actually solve the problem,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I can see where it comes in
Speaker 1: and is helpful, but I think I think, yeah, the
Speaker 1: the less well used features your AI may not be
Speaker 1: trained well enough to pick it up and give you
Speaker 1: the option.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree.
Speaker 3: I think you still need to be you know, knowledgeable,
Speaker 3: but I think it's hard to keep all that overhead
Speaker 3: in mind when your coding.
Speaker 2: Wright's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a good way to kind of like
Speaker 3: I mean, AI that's well thinking of everything and drinking
Speaker 3: it down and then verifying, right, we've verify it well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not saying that you're wrong to do it. However,
Speaker 1: the AI tells you too if it works, because it
Speaker 1: does save you time and effort. Right, you don't have
Speaker 1: to go look up the API and make sure you
Speaker 1: have all the arguments in the right order, and you
Speaker 1: know whatever else, And they're they're a handful of common
Speaker 1: things in rails, like I can never remember if it's
Speaker 1: options for select from collection or options from collect for select,
Speaker 1: and I always screw it up because I always guess
Speaker 1: it wrong. Right, And so having the AI go Oh
Speaker 1: I know what you doing. Yeah, that's that's kind of nice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, and so then yeah, sometimes it'll
Speaker 1: give me a longer stimpet of code and I'll wind
Speaker 1: up tweaking it because it's like, yeah, this is close,
Speaker 1: but it's not exact. Yeah, and so yeah, So then
Speaker 1: it saves me a bunch of time. And even if
Speaker 1: there's a more elegant solution, it doesn't matter that I
Speaker 1: don't know it, because I have something that works. I
Speaker 1: can look at it and visually parse it and I
Speaker 1: didn't have to spend two hours figuring out how to
Speaker 1: do it the other way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of AI, it makes me think about your
Speaker 5: new startup on real site where you have like a
Speaker 5: real AI category, and it makes me like imagine, like
Speaker 5: I would love to be able to see like what
Speaker 5: companies are using so reels, like not only just like
Speaker 5: reels and AI specifically, but like, all right, is anybody
Speaker 5: actually using action mailbox in a production app? Like how
Speaker 5: are they using it? Like are they willing to disclose that?
Speaker 5: Like just an itemized list?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Like that would be super helpful, like not only for
Speaker 5: like the reels community in general, right, Like but uh,
Speaker 5: you know how how are people building stuff, right, like
Speaker 5: exposing like the use cases, because like there's so many
Speaker 5: like right, Like it seems like there are so many
Speaker 5: that like also give talks at these conferences all the time,
Speaker 5: and you'd.
Speaker 4: Think like there it would there would.
Speaker 5: Be you know, a way to expose that other than
Speaker 5: just like publishing a conference talk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly why I kind of high you there
Speaker 2: in the corner because I.
Speaker 3: Haven't gotten in that direction. But you know that's a
Speaker 3: completely different thing, you know, doing a little research and yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, that's that's something I'm interesting too. And I'm
Speaker 3: figuring out who's using it and how they're using it,
Speaker 3: figuring out the companies but also, like you said, the
Speaker 3: details as to how they're using it. Yeah, that's something
Speaker 3: that I'll definitely work on. And I mean that's the
Speaker 3: newest thing. I should probably be working.
Speaker 2: On it right now. That's a good apportunity for the content.
Speaker 5: I mean you can start like uh, you know, ingesting
Speaker 5: the conference video talks and just like have ai you know, categorize.
Speaker 4: Which company they work for and what they're working on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One one other thing that comes to mind that would
Speaker 1: be interesting with this, and I know we're kind of
Speaker 1: brainstorming this, but I mean, you know, you said your
Speaker 1: pre launch and you know, these are all ideas, and
Speaker 1: maybe we could talk about what the minimum viable product
Speaker 1: looks like. But I keep hearing from people that rails
Speaker 1: is dying, and you know, I I understand some of
Speaker 1: the arguments that people make, but I still see a
Speaker 1: lot of companies starting up on rails, and I also
Speaker 1: see a lot of companies that have adopted rails or
Speaker 1: that started on rails you know, five, ten, fifteen, twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, that are doubling and tripling down on it.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know that, and maybe maybe we
Speaker 1: just need a better definition of what people mean by dying,
Speaker 1: but it'd be interesting to see. Okay, if you start
Speaker 1: a startup with rails, right, then you know, then it
Speaker 1: gets listed in that way we can see and then
Speaker 1: some of the other companies, right, they come in and
Speaker 1: they say we started in you know, twenty twenty or
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, right, and so
Speaker 1: you can see how long they've been out there and
Speaker 1: you know, running things on rails, and so that way
Speaker 1: we kind of get a feel for Okay, yeah, there
Speaker 1: were you know, a gazillion companies started up in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, twenty ten, right,
Speaker 1: And then you get into twenty sixteen and maybe they're
Speaker 1: they're you know, half that many. Right, you get to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and you can see, oh, there's an uptick
Speaker 1: here for whatever reason, or it'd be really fascinating just
Speaker 1: to kind of see how that all comes out. And
Speaker 1: then people can see, oh, okay, we've got you know,
Speaker 1: we have a list of you know, one hundred startups
Speaker 1: that started in twenty twenty four, right, and more getting
Speaker 1: at it all the time. And you know, of the
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty of them are venture funded, right,
Speaker 1: which means that they I was going to say they
Speaker 1: have a better chance of making it, but that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily true. But you know, so many are venture funded,
Speaker 1: so many are kind of micro sas kind of tiny services,
Speaker 1: so many of them are, right, And so then you
Speaker 1: can get an idea of oh, okay, so this is
Speaker 1: where this is where the action's at, and we can
Speaker 1: see what the trend is. Right, we'd say, okay, we're
Speaker 1: getting more companies in in you know, also in industries
Speaker 1: right where which you're already doing. Right, we're seeing more
Speaker 1: healthcare apps starting up, or we're seeing more education apps
Speaker 1: starting up, or you know, hey, given the current political climate,
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot more political bent apps coming out,
Speaker 1: or you know whatever. So anyway, I think that'd be
Speaker 1: really really interesting just to kind of see what that
Speaker 1: trend line looks like, because it's it's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to know, but if you give people a way to
Speaker 1: self report anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: In the data aspect of feed is some that is
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by, you know, and the idea that we
Speaker 3: can it can them way more grandl granular that how
Speaker 3: we you know, we we uh process or or play
Speaker 3: with the data, you know, in terms of like when
Speaker 3: they started, how are they doing, you know, what type
Speaker 3: of volume in terms of sales or revenue and things
Speaker 3: like that, specific industries and things of that.
Speaker 2: To me, I find that very interesting.
Speaker 3: And I also think that you could also influence potential
Speaker 3: entrepreneurs right that are trying to build their own products.
Speaker 3: We can kind of tailor the data and into content
Speaker 3: and put it out there to you know, see if
Speaker 3: people can make decisions based on the data.
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, I think a lot of it just comes
Speaker 1: down to what questions are people going to ask of
Speaker 1: a system like this, and then what data do you
Speaker 1: need in order to answer them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a kicking, kicking and an egg problem situation, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if the community just fully adopted you know,
Speaker 1: startups on rails or you know, something like it, and
Speaker 1: you know, everybody just kind of commonly submitted to it
Speaker 1: and kept it up to date, I think it would
Speaker 1: be very interesting, just because I think we would be
Speaker 1: getting decent data on that. And I don't know that
Speaker 1: every company's going to be willing to tell you, hey,
Speaker 1: we're using these gems or these features of rails, but
Speaker 1: you know, the ones that are willing to share it,
Speaker 1: you can at least give us some idea what's going on.
Speaker 1: But as for hey, we've been around this long and
Speaker 1: we're using rails, right, Or maybe we've been around this
Speaker 1: long and we've been using rails and we had a
Speaker 1: major rewrite or a significant chunk of our stuff was
Speaker 1: kind of reworked at this point, right, that might be interesting.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, even if they just put in
Speaker 1: we started in two thousand and six, we've been using
Speaker 1: rails the whole time. You know, wor company that's X
Speaker 1: so many big, or maybe you go ask LinkedIn how
Speaker 1: big is this company? Then right then you get an
Speaker 1: idea of what we're looking at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is definitely interesting. And I think what I
Speaker 3: found over time was that you need more compelling features
Speaker 3: or reasons for people to come back to the website,
Speaker 3: both the users, right and the companies. So and that's
Speaker 3: kind of why I get I get trapped. Okay, what
Speaker 3: can I do to make it compelling, to make it
Speaker 3: more appealing for people to want to participate, both companies
Speaker 3: and users. So one of the things that I was
Speaker 3: thinking of, you know, is perhaps using the company page
Speaker 3: as a qut pot the engineering page that a lot
Speaker 3: of websites have, right, Like you go to airbnbs like engineering,
Speaker 3: you'll see blocks related to engineering and you see, like
Speaker 3: when you talked about, like more detailed things about what
Speaker 3: they've been doing. They post their open source you know, uh,
Speaker 3: stuff that is related to ah to.
Speaker 2: The engineering community.
Speaker 3: And I think that might be a service that could
Speaker 3: be offered to smaller companies, like you have the airbnbs
Speaker 3: that have the resources to have these type of pages.
Speaker 3: But this could be something that targets smaller companies that
Speaker 3: you know, a place where they can post a data
Speaker 3: or content related engineering to engineering.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the challenging has been part has been that, like
Speaker 3: how can we compel companies to to piece of paid
Speaker 3: and through that also get users to want to busy.
Speaker 2: You can an innate problem.
Speaker 6: As I said before, Yeah, I mean to your point though,
Speaker 6: like a lot of companies they want, right like exposure.
Speaker 5: They want other developers to know what they're working on,
Speaker 5: what they're doing in the community, right like there this
Speaker 5: despite what many people may say about like the you know,
Speaker 5: hiring market for for any programming, but like real specifically
Speaker 5: right like, uh, they still want that exposure. Like there's
Speaker 5: gonna be a point where you know, hiring is hot again,
Speaker 5: right Like it's it's goes in cycles, you know, like
Speaker 5: there are always lulls and there's always highs like and uh,
Speaker 5: you know as like any company that is like you
Speaker 5: know tight on resources, which you know, from like a
Speaker 5: developer standpoint, right like which just happens like eventually, like
Speaker 5: once you're doing a certain size, you're like gonna have
Speaker 5: this point where Okay, you've been developing this new thing
Speaker 5: for so long and then it releases and you're like,
Speaker 5: oh crap, like everybody's using it, and we need more
Speaker 5: people to manage this thing that we've built, right Like,
Speaker 5: I feel like it's just like a thing that happens,
Speaker 5: and you want as a company to like get the
Speaker 5: exposure to the people that you know could potentially.
Speaker 4: Be working for, you know, the company. H And I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like as a developer who has looked for
Speaker 5: a job before, right Like, I've looked to see who's like,
Speaker 5: you know, doing the conferences, who's like present in the community,
Speaker 5: right Like, who's open sourcing stuff like? These are all
Speaker 5: things that I think about personally, And it's all just
Speaker 5: a matter of expose, sure for the company, right And
Speaker 5: there's honestly a lot of great companies out there that
Speaker 5: don't do that, right Uh. And is there a way
Speaker 5: where that could process could just be a little easier,
Speaker 5: right Uh? I think it's what you're getting at, uh.
Speaker 5: And I think that's completely the case. Like making it
Speaker 5: just like a uniform way where people can like you know,
Speaker 5: publish numbers to some you know, public public place, I
Speaker 5: feel like.
Speaker 4: Uh is what what's needed really? Uh? We were still
Speaker 4: lacking that in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, that's it, That's that's a direction, right.
Speaker 3: But to me, I'm the type of personality that I
Speaker 3: want everything, so yeah, I suffered with paralysis of analysis.
Speaker 3: So oh that that's a that's a good feature, and
Speaker 3: I end up wanting to build everything and then you
Speaker 3: end up building building nothing. So but I think that's
Speaker 3: a strategy for like an MVP, you know, going in
Speaker 3: that direction, allowing companies to to build their own profile
Speaker 3: and post their technical content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something that all serves the thing you think about. Yep.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious as we're kind of digging through this.
Speaker 1: I think we've had a lot of ideas around what
Speaker 1: we could do or what you could do with startups
Speaker 1: on rails. But I'm a little curious, like what other
Speaker 1: resources that are kind of like this would you like
Speaker 1: to see for the Ruby or rails community, because it
Speaker 1: seems like there are definitely opportunities out there for us
Speaker 1: to provide something that allows rails developers to get information on,
Speaker 1: or collaborate on, or you know whatever on other aspects
Speaker 1: of the community.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think one that comes to mind right now,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily related to.
Speaker 3: These is more on the way of helping newcomers or
Speaker 3: new developers navigate through what I call the last mile
Speaker 3: of developing, the last mile of learning, right, that last
Speaker 3: mile where it's like, Okay, you've learned, you've been through
Speaker 3: all these book cooms or self learning. That last piece
Speaker 3: of learning.
Speaker 2: That is going to give you the ability to be
Speaker 2: ready job ready, right, which I think that content is
Speaker 2: hard to find.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I was part of was
Speaker 3: the Agency of Learning. A friend of mine, Dave Paola,
Speaker 3: he uh started which is just pretty much get a
Speaker 3: group of people together, a group of young developers and
Speaker 3: a few senior developers, and what we did was uh
Speaker 3: participate in open source. We helped, you know, contributed to
Speaker 3: open source, but we did in a way that was
Speaker 3: more structure in that we we we almost did it
Speaker 3: like a job, right, So uh pick an issue, you know,
Speaker 3: submit a proposal, and the proposal is going to be
Speaker 3: not necessarily code, just like what are you It was
Speaker 3: a strategy on how you're going to solve this issue.
Speaker 2: There's a code review that a community code review, and.
Speaker 3: You know where they picked, you know, go ad you
Speaker 3: and ask you questions and whilst you have a pretty
Speaker 3: solid proposal, you're going to you know, submita you know,
Speaker 3: work on the issue and.
Speaker 2: And then submit and get a review.
Speaker 3: So I think that was very helpful in terms of
Speaker 3: getting like almost almost professional experience.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I haven't I haven't really worked
Speaker 3: for a company, but I don't know if that's the
Speaker 3: way it would work. But it felt like, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is It feels like I can talk about something that
Speaker 3: looks like a professional experience. So that was a way
Speaker 3: that they've kind of visualized this issue or this problem
Speaker 3: the last mile. But you know, I think there's something
Speaker 3: there like helping people navigate through the last mile.
Speaker 2: But I also know that, you know, the the the
Speaker 2: state of the industry is not necessarily favorable for a
Speaker 2: new developers. So I don't know if that's it's a
Speaker 2: good timing for that.
Speaker 4: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of kind of the last mile. Right,
Speaker 1: It's okay, you can build a rails application, but here's
Speaker 1: the rest of the stuff. If you have to be
Speaker 1: able to do or know how to be right that
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily teach you or spend a lot of
Speaker 1: time on.
Speaker 3: Correct yeah, and a lot of these are more untangible,
Speaker 3: you know, things that you got to wrestle, you know,
Speaker 3: you got to wrestle with you know, the dynamics on
Speaker 3: on your amount of year, you know your engine year,
Speaker 3: amount of year. A lot of it is emotionally. You
Speaker 3: get some feedback and I did I work so hard
Speaker 3: on this, what do you mean? I still need to
Speaker 3: do more. And it has to do with my references,
Speaker 3: like I prefer this way. I know it works with
Speaker 3: these the way I prefer things like that that are
Speaker 3: not very tangible. Ah, that was helpful to.
Speaker 1: Me, right, very cool. Well, I told you guys, I
Speaker 1: have a hard stop coming up, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: push us over to picks. This has been fun to
Speaker 1: talk about. I mean, one other thing that I've been
Speaker 1: looking at putting together actually is a directory of learning
Speaker 1: resources for Ruby and rails, right, and so essentially it
Speaker 1: would list and I've I've started on the codebase and
Speaker 1: I've been I've been working on it for a while.
Speaker 1: I just haven't launched it yet, but and I've based
Speaker 1: it on our picks. So it's called rubypicks dot com.
Speaker 1: But the idea is is yeah, so it's here, you know,
Speaker 1: you can search podcasts or podcast episodes. You can search
Speaker 1: YouTube videos, conference talks, you know, blog posts, documentation, right,
Speaker 1: and it'll you tell it kind of what you're looking for, gems,
Speaker 1: uh so ruby gems, and then it'll list out all
Speaker 1: the resources out there, and then people can rate and
Speaker 1: review them and things like that, so that the ones
Speaker 1: that get more highly rated, you know. And we also
Speaker 1: try and attach versions, right so that you know, you
Speaker 1: can put in what version of rails or device or
Speaker 1: whatever you're using. But yeah, then then it'll come back
Speaker 1: and say, okay, these are some highly rated resources that
Speaker 1: align with what you're doing. And so then you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you get the walkthrough on how to set up
Speaker 1: stripe or the walkthrough on how to whatever. And the
Speaker 1: other thing is is that I would like to share
Speaker 1: some of the search data on the back end that
Speaker 1: says essentially, these are the most common searches that don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of results, and that way people know, oh,
Speaker 1: I could do a video on this, right, or hey,
Speaker 1: I could write a blog post on this and just
Speaker 1: kind of spur the community into taking action and providing
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So oh that sounds like a good idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: like that so people don't waste their time. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it happened to me too that you wasted working on
Speaker 3: material that might not be as relevant. But if you
Speaker 3: know what's number one, umber two, number three, you know
Speaker 3: that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, let's go ahead and do pics. Valentino,
Speaker 1: you want to start us off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, So all my picks are AI related today,
Speaker 5: probably as usual. But I've been the folks at hugging
Speaker 5: Face are just like on fire lately, and I've been
Speaker 5: experimenting there so much. I mean, they're just announcing stuff
Speaker 5: like crazy. Yeah, I've been playing with They have transformers
Speaker 5: dot js, which basically lets you run inference using the
Speaker 5: onyx runtime of LM models in the browser using WASM,
Speaker 5: and so you can download various models from hugging Face
Speaker 5: and I perform the inference of various features like summarizing
Speaker 5: or categorizing stuff for all kinds of different pipelines that
Speaker 5: they provide.
Speaker 4: And you can just do it all in the browser.
Speaker 5: So if you have sensitive information you don't want like
Speaker 5: pass to servers, and you want to do some stuff
Speaker 5: in the browser, it works really well. I even got
Speaker 5: it to do a rag in the browser, just fully
Speaker 5: local in the browser doing embeddings and then searching it
Speaker 5: and running a small model to do the generation. But
Speaker 5: it works and it's just like crazy.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited to mess around with that more.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 5: That's transformers JS. They have a GitHub board and everything,
Speaker 5: and the other one that they also released, I'm trying
Speaker 5: to get the name of it, but they have a
Speaker 5: so they have a leaderboards that they manage where they
Speaker 5: run all the large language through different arenas and rankings,
Speaker 5: and so they've open sourced the pipeline that they use
Speaker 5: for running those valuations and have open source kind of
Speaker 5: to try and garner support from the community to like
Speaker 5: publish different open evaluation data sets and algorithms and things
Speaker 5: like that, and it's just really awesome and well done.
Speaker 4: I think it's called light email.
Speaker 5: And then on top of that, on the evaluation side,
Speaker 5: where if you're not familiar with the evaluations are just a
Speaker 5: matter of like testing whether or not the outputs to
Speaker 5: do a specific thing, and you can evaluate them in
Speaker 5: a lot of different criteria. But they also published a
Speaker 5: guide book which has like a huge just data bank
Speaker 5: of different ways that you can evaluate lllms and so
Speaker 5: LMS as a judge human evaluations. They have benchmarking and
Speaker 5: it's just like a great like go to guide for
Speaker 5: doing all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Interesting, awesome.
Speaker 3: Ask a question regarding your the first one that you pick.
Speaker 3: What kind of machine are you using to run do model?
Speaker 3: Are you running from your local machine.
Speaker 4: Or it's local machine? I have an M one MacBook.
Speaker 5: I have not tried it on a lesser machine, so
Speaker 5: I am curious how well it performs on maybe you know,
Speaker 5: a Chromebook or something like that.
Speaker 4: I haven't tested it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and one and and then what kind of are
Speaker 3: RAM Do you have a big run for that? Because
Speaker 3: I think it's it's it's rama pretty important resource for that.
Speaker 5: So they they do a combination blend of GPU and CPU. Okay, uh,
Speaker 5: and so it's primarily like the GPU and CPU that
Speaker 5: get the most hit out of it. Browsers do let
Speaker 5: you kind of like download almost infinite amount of content
Speaker 5: to the browsers cash, which is nice. But you know,
Speaker 5: so it's more of like the storage is not necessarily
Speaker 5: an issue because it'll store it just in the browser
Speaker 5: as like a staged aspect for the for the model itself.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's a good question about memory.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: I haven't done any benchmarks yet on on the memory consumption.
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm diving in. Are you done? Because I
Speaker 1: can just roll into my picks otherwise.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1: So I usually do a board gamekick pick first, so
Speaker 1: I'll just throw one out there real quick. This is
Speaker 1: one that I actually played on my phone in my
Speaker 1: computer and not with actual physical piece. It's Star Realms.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you all have played that, but
Speaker 1: it's a card game and it's got a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of different sets that go into it, which makes it fun.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you can pick it up. You can play
Speaker 1: against people on the internet, and yeah, it's a deck
Speaker 1: building game, so you you know, you draft cards and
Speaker 1: you play cards, and you you know, you try and
Speaker 1: get good combinations of the cards that work together. Usually
Speaker 1: it's by playing multiple cards are the same color, but
Speaker 1: not always. So anyway, I'm gonna pick Star Realms. I
Speaker 1: didn't look it up on board game Geek, but I
Speaker 1: know that you can get physical cards, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they have it on here and just let me
Speaker 1: look it up. Yeah, they've got a twenty twenty fourteen
Speaker 1: which is the the original version, and then you also
Speaker 1: they have a twenty twenty one version that has extra
Speaker 1: player decks and the play mat and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and then there are a whole bunch of expansions. There's
Speaker 1: Gambit Colony Wars Frontiers. Anyway, the base game is rated
Speaker 1: A weighted at one point ninety two. So, you know,
Speaker 1: casual gamer, It's more complicated than you're kind of really
Speaker 1: really really simple games, but it's it's definitely learnable for
Speaker 1: most people who just want a casual game. So I
Speaker 1: tell people that too is about where, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of the casual game with enough complexity to make it interesting,
Speaker 1: but not so much that you have to actually go
Speaker 1: back to the rule book periodically to make sure that
Speaker 1: you're doing it right. Anyway, So so yeah, so Star
Speaker 1: Realms and then yeah, so I'm gonna do kind of
Speaker 1: the shameless self promotion stuff. I'm also trying to find
Speaker 1: a website for Star Realms because I know that you
Speaker 1: can just play it online. You can get it on
Speaker 1: Steam I think, and then there's the mobile app as well. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so I've been talking to a lot of folks. I
Speaker 1: haven't gone as deep as Valentino has with the AI stuff,
Speaker 1: but I've been I've been getting into it a bunch,
Speaker 1: and I recently had my contract end and so I
Speaker 1: have a lot more time to start really diving in
Speaker 1: and building out what I want to build. But a
Speaker 1: lot of folks are interested learning it, and so what
Speaker 1: I'm working on right now is actually building out a
Speaker 1: handful of AI systems, mostly kind of the agentic ai
Speaker 1: sort of things that we talked to Obi about. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to be putting on a boot camp at
Speaker 1: the beginning of next year and just walking people through
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: the approaches to setting up these agents and then you know,
Speaker 1: kind of fine tuning what they get. So keep an
Speaker 1: eye out for that. I do have a domain that
Speaker 1: I purchased for it, but I haven't set it up yet.
Speaker 1: So I'm probably going to just start dropping ads into
Speaker 1: the shows, you know, in lieu of some of the
Speaker 1: ads that wind up getting put in that I get
Speaker 1: complaints about, So just keep an eye out for that.
Speaker 1: I think it was agentic ai boot camp dot com
Speaker 1: or something like that. But anyway, so I'm doing that,
Speaker 1: and then and then yeah, I'm I'm kind of overhauling
Speaker 1: top end devs and you know, updating the members area
Speaker 1: and things like that, and so you know, you'll you'll
Speaker 1: have a new experience for the inside of the boot camp.
Speaker 1: The way that I'm gonna run it though, is between
Speaker 1: now and Black Friday, you'll you can get the Black
Speaker 1: Friday deal. So I'm looking at running essentially weekly help sessions, right,
Speaker 1: so you'll you'll get the curriculum for the boot camp
Speaker 1: every week and I'm looking at three or four months.
Speaker 1: We'll have weekly calls for six months. And the price
Speaker 1: I'm looking at is thirty five hundred dollars. But if
Speaker 1: you do Black Friday, you get two thousand dollars. I
Speaker 1: also intend to do AI Summit in December or January,
Speaker 1: and you will get a ticket to that. If you
Speaker 1: sign up for the Black Fridays, you get you get
Speaker 1: the discount, you get the AI Summit, and then you yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, you get the calls for six months,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, that's that's the plan there. Did I
Speaker 1: say that the discount was for two thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: the Black Friday anyway, So that's that's that's what I'm
Speaker 1: working on.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I have to say that I also just did a
Speaker 1: stripe connect. I had to stripe connect to top end
Speaker 1: devs so that I can because there are other podcasts
Speaker 1: that I want to start that are not programming podcasts,
Speaker 1: and so I don't want to put them on top
Speaker 1: end devs because then it's like, oh, there's a political
Speaker 1: podcast on here. Hey that you know, Chuck's Church Stuffs
Speaker 1: is on is on here, right, and so yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm looking gonna spin some of that off. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I want to do multi tenancy,
Speaker 1: but then I, you know, I want them to kind
Speaker 1: of run independently on the financial end of things, whether
Speaker 1: it's sponsorships or people buying courses or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So anyway, strike connect is pretty cool and it's not
Speaker 1: I was worried it was gonna be super complicated to
Speaker 1: set up, and it wasn't. So anyway, pretty happy with that.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna pick strike Connect as well.
Speaker 1: All right, Gustavo, what are your picks?
Speaker 2: Thank you so for me in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: outside of development, it's just children, right, So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: pick Disney Princesses is my pig of the week.
Speaker 3: I spent the last three days in Disneyland with a
Speaker 3: Disney Hotel.
Speaker 1: Oh fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good. It was good.
Speaker 3: We took our two daughters to I guess a make
Speaker 3: cover experience where they give him the whole treatment, you know,
Speaker 3: they you know, they received them as princesses. They you know,
Speaker 3: do the whole you know, princesses, set up, change their
Speaker 3: outfits and then they take him for pictures and the
Speaker 3: whole time they're like blown away, they're exciting, they do,
Speaker 3: you know, taking in the role of princesses. So that
Speaker 3: was a great experience for us and for the kids.
Speaker 2: So that's my pick up the week Busney Princesses.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, it's funny because all of my wife and
Speaker 1: my girls, they all have different princesses that they identify with.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is is none of them picked the
Speaker 1: same one.
Speaker 3: So that is yeah, that's no, that's good. That's good
Speaker 3: because I know my two daughters sometimes they they want
Speaker 3: to pick the same one and a little one.
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, you're not, you're all of
Speaker 2: you can be all.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For my wife, it's Aurora Sleeping Beauty, my oldest daughter
Speaker 1: it was Cinderella. My middle daughter was Ariel, and my
Speaker 1: youngest daughter daughter. Funny enough, you see all the little
Speaker 1: girls that want to be Elsa. She wanted to be
Speaker 1: on A. So anyway, good the one that didn't have
Speaker 1: the magic powers or whatever. But anyway, yeah, very fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like there's a big marketing and business
Speaker 3: lesson that could be learned through that. I think it's
Speaker 3: the have the market corner, you know, do his name?
Speaker 1: Yeah they do? Yeah, good deal. If people want to
Speaker 1: find you online, Gustavo, where do they find you? Or
Speaker 1: if they want to hire you because you said you
Speaker 1: were looking at on the market.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Twitter, I'm usually that's where I interact the most.
Speaker 2: G v G be a victor one one a zero.
Speaker 3: And uh or yeah that's pretty much eat right now.
Speaker 1: GV one one eight zero.
Speaker 2: Correct Gustavo Venezuela my first name for my first better
Speaker 2: initials for my name, and then one one zero give.
Speaker 1: Me one one a zero awesome. Yeah, I just put
Speaker 1: that into the YouTube and Facebook. Yeah, I'm looking to
Speaker 1: if you're hiring Chuck at top ends dot com or
Speaker 1: you email me. All right, let's go ahead and wrap
Speaker 1: it up. Thanks for coming, Gustavo, thank you, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: All right, until next time, folks max out