Speaker 1: It's a good luck. Okay, we are alive. Hi. This
is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey investigates on today's show.
Have a very special guest, returning guest. His name is
Andrew operates the six g Agenda podcast. I've missed that
in the past, forgot to say agenda that we're talking
the pre show. This will be our tenth show, and
I think our fourth or fifth show following this kind
of my Michael A. Kino course of his trajectory of
his life and possible influence in these murders that took
place in the late sixties right around this kind of
like supposedly the birth of the Age of Satan, which
was announced by Rome, but Rosemary's Baby and a lot
of strange things happened after the sixties, and one of
them is these Zodiac murders, which are very similar to
the Son of Sam murders, and also the Beast of
Florence murders, believe it or not, internationally where there are
young people in cars and they get attacked and savage
things happen. Really savage stuff happened to him. But it
let us to go watch this movie. I hadn't seen
it in a while. I think I watched it when
it came out in two thousand and seven, so it's
been twenty years. But I've learned a lot more. I
know a lot more about stuff. So when I was
watching through it, more things became noticeable and apparent to me.
And there's a lot here that is in that research.
And a lot of these guys are famous actors, Jill
and All, Robert Downey Junior, some of these other characters
are pretty famous people, and they're in David Fincher who
had done seven and Fight Club already. But you know
a lot of stuff. Andrew saw it just telling me
that there are a lot of Easter eggs and things
like that, and a lot it's actually, I think, kind
of true to the story. And I grew up in
San Francisco later than that, but in the seventies and
a lot of that stuff, like the back we ever
did the set pieces, This is all very accurate kind
of stuff. This is pre internet. So you had the
San Francisco Examiner in the San Francisco Chronicle. I we
used to call it the comical make fun of it.
But this is back when you used to deliver papers
like this is when the events happened, So people are
sending letters and there's famous people involved in this. I've
done shows about Melvin Bell. I could do another show
because it's crazy that he's involved in the Zodiac, because
he's all over with Jack Ruby and friends with some
very interesting characters, which we can talk more about that.
So Andrew, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me back. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah,
Hayte Ashbury is very close to with the Jack Ruby
and then of course with all this going on with
the Zodiac and the Satanic Church, so I think it's
all one hub of one thing going on, mind control experiment,
Satanic ritual abuse, the whole deal. But yeah, piggybacking off
of our last episode, we kind of touched on this
theory that maybe a kino had something to do with
the Zodiac murders, or it was the Satanic group, maybe
not just a keno but a group of people, and
so there's somebody named We kind of talked about it
in the after show last time, Andy Rocket Cody, who
really decodes and breaks down all the little connections with
this Satanic cult group and the Church of Satan with
the Zodiac Killer and this guy's pretty cool. We can
maybe get to it later, but first we decided, you know,
we want to kind of break down this movie and
see if there was anything in it that maybe Hollywood
wanted to add to it. And I was really surprised.
I mean there was I was trying not to have
confirmation bias, but whenever they say, oh, I think the
Killer stole a book from the library at the Presidio
Military Base, I go what. And then I looked it
up and it had nothing to do with the case,
just a little easter egg they had in there. So
that kind of stuff, you know, really popped out, and
I was really excited that we actually chose to do that.
Speaker 3: So I think it's a great spot to start.
Speaker 1: It's a long movie. It's two and a half two
hours forty five minutes, and it could be considered slow
in a lot of ways. But I think that they
were very dutiful and fastidious about covering the crimes, like
each one of the crimes and the dates, so it
had a real kind of document in my opinion, documentary
style to it. Yes, it wasn't a lot of flash
to me, and good actors, like I think Rockert Towney
Junior is really good and the kind of guy has
really played the guy as Glenlan Hall plays a real guy.
His name is Robert Graysmith, who wrote kind of the
definitive book at the time, which sold millions of copies.
Has to be up there with the helter skelter about
Zodiac and this until now, I think unsolved. I don't
think it's really been solved. They've been a lot of
like possible suspects, but the fact that it's not really solved,
I think is a huge.
Speaker 2: Tell, don't you think absolutely. I think that recently they
came out with the documentary on Netflix about this guy
who's dead and his family, you know, is trying to
tie some things to him being the Zodiac Killer. There's
going to be a lot of that, you know, But
I think that it's just it's just weird, you know,
all these little connections and times that will go over
in this. And then on top of that that, Hollywood,
as you said, kept us more of like a historical documentary,
kind of no fluff kind of movie, but then they
add in weird things like what we're going to get into?
So what is that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So that's interesting to.
Speaker 1: Me, Like what's their agenda, what are they trying to do?
How did this movie get produced? I think those are
all important questions. But there's clearly something a cult going
on with this whole thing, the letters, and it's very
similar to the Son of Sam, like you mentioned in apprecio,
like they actually say, call my name Sam. Interesting. Yeah,
and it ties into that book. I showed you a
couple episodes before, which is you know, Birthing the Age
of Satan, which literally was nineteen sixty eight or nineteen
sixty nine if I remember correctly, like Rosemary's Baby ties
into that. It was like the Hoping for the Age
of Satan. So it would make sense that this huge
mind control operation which I think Zodiac was took place,
like it's really something else, and then then nobody gets caught.
Speaker 2: Like wow, no exactly. And you know, as you said,
the occult, I mean the cryptids he used, we're talking Greek,
he had naval intelligence. What was all of them? It
was Greek naval intelligence, Roman hit all kinds of different
symbols that he added in together, and you know the
polymath kind of style that you know a lot of
the Satanists take because as you learn more about the
Satanic movement and everything, it is really a lot about
the kind of a culmination in the mystery schools in
a weird way, but like black magician kind of style.
But it still has the idea of geometry, numerology, symbols, cryptids,
and it seems that he's utilizing this with these letters
he sends to the police.
Speaker 1: Right, so we would be right in line with Kruppley
and all these other guys who love numerology and what's
the word. It's like when you see these similarities between
numbers and words, and they love all this stuff. It's
connections and things like that. So he would be right
in line with this kind of Satanic psychology or worldview
or mind escape or something like that.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I wonder how popular it was in
the sixties for somebody to get a hold of without
being in the military, military cryptids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It could have been really easy.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but Aquino, we know, does have military ties,
and then that being involved is kind of interesting to
me as well.
Speaker 1: Right well, he's tied to almost every like major like
based Presidio off it fort Wahuco, which I had never
heard until Charlie Kirk and also brag. So he's everywhere
like and going to like Operation Phoenix and all this
other stuff. So he was not small fry. And this
is like the killings took place right around the Presidio
sex scandals. My understanding, like it's literally in the context
of when Aquino was being investigated for running a child.
Speaker 2: Was that closer to the eighties, because I know this
was sixties, this was sixty eight, sixty nine, and I
know that the Satanic panic was closer to the eighties,
but I don't know that Prisidio could have been before.
Speaker 1: Let me look it up. He was investigated. Let's see,
there were tons of stuff. Let's see, this is eighty
seven is one investigation, so I guess there's a lot
earlier than that's like twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how long he's in this area, you know,
twenty years. He's kind of entrenched in this Satanic kind
of well, also making the cy wars to mind wars,
I mean, he was making that after the Vietnam War,
so that would have been all in this time too.
While he's involved with the Satanic Church and meeting Anton Levey,
Zodiac murders are going on. I mean, this calling that
we see with the nine A and this idea of
like changing the masses, attitudes and minds by dark eugenics
is very similar to what he's doing and kind of
starting in the sixties and you know, into the eighties
and making the syops to mine wars kind of involves
itself with that as well. It's a blueprint to it.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And even though letters reflect that right
this is the most dangerous game and that I'm collecting slaves.
Speaker 2: Like this, I'm so glad you brought that up. That
reminds me of Henry Lucas and that that was brought
up in the movie. It's the first note I have here,
the collecting slaves for the afterlife, which I remember reading
in David McGowan's book that Henry Lucas's mother said that,
you know, she was a satanic like ritual abuser with him,
and she was saying, I'm collecting you. You're gonna be
one of my slaves in the afterlife, and he ended
up killing her and you know, et cetera. But I
think that's that that kind of theme crosses over to this,
like you said.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's definitely there. I mean the first so
the first killing was in Vallejo, which is Northern Bay area,
it's really closer to Napa Valley or Napa County. But
that was July fourth, nineteen sixty nine, so like consistent
with dates of like other killings where they happen on
festivals or things like that. Yeah, so July fourth. Then
it also features Paul Avery, who was then went on
to write a book about Patty Hurst, like he was
involved in the whole Patty Hurst thing. That's seventy four.
That's the Symbionese Liberation Army, which in my opinion was
an Operation Chaos thing, much like the Chaos book kind
of alleges that Manson was part of Operation Chaos. That's
the title. But if you read some of these other books,
and really great book it's called Revolution's End, which alleges
that Sinke is really a cutout. He's not very bright,
and all of a sudden he comes towards these like leftist, liberal,
white middle class people with this preset worldview which is
kind of extraordinary. And the guy who's kind of like
running him and runs at Burke I forgot his name,
but like he's like an ex He's he's actually mentioned
in Avery's book, but he's an ex guy from Operation Phoenix,
like a Kino.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys, it's all interconnected. And that that just
goes on with the theme whenever we first did our
shows in the very beginning back and whenever I was
doing that Jasper series, that this intelligence occult satanic kind
of group trying to usher in through chaos, this new age.
And I think it's interesting that they mentioned Atlantis kind
of peripherally in the movie. I think some witnesses or
some individuals were kind of connected to the subs.
Speaker 3: They kind of brought up or described.
Speaker 2: Atlantis in some way that made me jot it down.
But that kind of ties in with this new age
of this new age of like what what did.
Speaker 3: Alistair Crowley call it?
Speaker 2: New age of Horace, the seti in age, as Aquino
calls it. It's all the same thing Atlantis, I think,
the New Atlanta. It's just ties right into it as well.
The more that I study that kind of aspect of it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like making a new kind of going
back to.
Speaker 2: The old days, right, spiritual hierarchy. Yeah, spiritual hierarchy, and
that gets into Mindstar, right mind Wore's Mindstar. The whole
series we like we're exiting right now is kind of
covering that that we want to kind of establish what
used to be this old order, you know, with these
the nature gods that are kind of you know, we're
synchronized with nature and this spiritual hierarchy over man, which
really just leads to like there's only a divine right
to rule for some people and the rest are just animals.
Speaker 1: The guy's name was Colston Westbrook or something like that
if I remember, but it was Colston Westbrook was the
intelligence handler out of this hospital in between Sacramento and
San Francisco where Sinke I forgot his real name, but
he came out of it cult from Westbrook was literally
a shrink, like he was African American, but a very
you know, accomplished shrink for the Phoenix program. So he
might have actually known, uh known Michael Akino in the military.
He was in the military too, so you know, maybe
a smaller group. But like this ties Avery ties the
Zodiac to the s la which they died and when
when the sink, like was in this final shootout in
South Central, like he had somebody went up to his
head and shot him in the head. Like that's what
the coroner said.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, execution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does me tales, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't think it's possible to control
man's mind without some kind of spiritual cult aspect added
to it. So I think that this is intrinsically tied
when we're talking about the Phoenix Program, MK Ultra studies
and the military and the occult you know, the satanic
groups we're talking about, and so yeah, I think that
that's why we see that crossover so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's de Freeze. Thanks, it's Daniel de Friese I
think was his name.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: It's it is a real It is an interesting attachment
between Avery and Zodiac. Who who is this kind of
guy who is really one of the central figures in Zodiac,
Like he literally got sent a letter by the so
called quote Zodiac unquote killer.
Speaker 3: You know that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, it's in it's in the film.
Avery's is sent that life.
Speaker 2: I just didn't connect with who he was with the
Phoenix program and everything. I wasn't Yeah, making those connections.
That's really crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let me see if I can bring up
his book. This is the this is the book that
he this It all ties into mind control too, believe
it or not, because a Kino's involved in mind control
and the whole Hearst thing, they're covered with mind control
people all over the Hurst thing and and and uh,
it's just the backdrop of this operation cast. But this
is Avery. That's his name down there, Paul Avery.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a Kabbalistic number to use right there.
Speaker 1: Sure is one of most bizarre chapters in the history
of the American Left. It's because it was I think
it was because it was totally fabricated by the government
and what they wanted to do is malign the left.
So instead of like they did this in Hayde Ashbury,
So the Hayte Ashbury, if you remember the summer of
love and everything was good and then all of a sudden,
people like Manson show and Jolly West show up and
the whole place changes into this dark, meth dealing, black
magic thing. So this whole thing of change against the
Vietnam War suddenly takes a dark turn. And then there's
a murder series of murders in LA.
Speaker 2: We're doing the same thing on the right right now,
except for it's like different. It's the Christian movement instead
of the love hippie movement, and it's still going into
the dark occult chaos magic with the I mean, look
at it, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: They're actually infiltrating the Christian Church right now and in
front of our faces. And like the Christian Church response
is obtuse and weak.
Speaker 2: I mean the alien thing. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: They don't know they're in a hardcore spiritual battle. Like
that's one of the first things that you have to
realize if you're in the Christian Church today, is like
you are at a ruthless, cataclysmic spiritual battle of the
highest order. They were going through it back then, and
if you go back and look at the histories of
the Hate Ashbury, it didn't have that kind of hardcore
drug element. So the LSD wasn't there yet. It was
literally people against this bold, blowny war and LBJ, who's crazier,
maybe as crazy as Trump is, but the same kind
of thing was happening, so it had to be subverted
on every level cultural, physical, The.
Speaker 3: Back of the King killed ritual with JFK right.
Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: So all these people move in and West is studying
the hippies, and then things go and then this crazy
drug hippie who knows hypnotism very well follows this whole thing,
and they're associated with the processed Church, and then Avery's fall,
and then this whole zodiac starts, right, which is love
like a follow on to Manson. At One of the
problems is when these things get studied, they're put in
different baskets, and really it's much challenge more challenging to
layer them on top of each other as these events
are happening, like Manson and Zodiac happening at the same time,
and then the zebra killings and then Avery is the
tie between Avery and West are the tie between Manson,
Chaos and Patty Hurst. Guess who interviews Patty Hurst before
the trial, Jolly West, John Lewis West? Who who is her?
I think the defense psychiatrist for Patty Hurst, Lewis Jolly
and West on.
Speaker 2: The on trial. That's crazy and I know that she's
a big like yeah mind control, uh bro.
Speaker 1: They used every technique on her that they did in
MK Ultra Yep, they took her from her family. She's nineteen,
she's suggestible. They took her in, put her in a closet. Uh,
sensory deprivation group therapy, which is really dark, not the
darkest type of dark persuasion group therapy. Repetitive phrases, almost
like she was in a U and camera and box
and she it's all in the books.
Speaker 2: Sounds like anology.
Speaker 1: Oh then she comes out of different character next thing,
you know, like they literally changed her personality. The youth
techniques on her that were very, very successful. That so
part of what West having be there was to control
the whole thing and make sure people didn't understand that
something much more sinister was taking place. She was just
a young happit's girl, not ran as an intel op
from mk Ultra experienced CIA operatives in California running all
kinds of crazy stuff. Sin k or the Dandelser Freeze
got let out of jail. He was much like Manson,
They're very similar. Similarities were like, well how do these
guys get out of jail? Like the Frieze should have
been in jail for like another ten years. All of
a sudden he walked out of like a Taska Daryl,
like one of these infamous places. Like all this stuff
is really true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Henry Lucas is another example. You know
we went over that too, like i mean, Bush just
lets him out. Never did that for anybody else. So yeah,
it's it's weird that these guys you know Epstein too,
you know, it's above it was above our pay grade,
you know kind of thing. This is one of the.
Speaker 1: Big reveals, Gerald Hall says it this is true, is
that a lot of people when the Hairst thing broke,
they thought it was a random pick up, but it wasn't.
Patty Hurst was a leftist sympathizer from a very wealthy family,
and she she would go to that jail and she
was kind of like already known to these people. It
was all it was all like kept quiet. The only people.
The other thing, that's an interesting thing about de frees
as a I guess African American, light skinned African American.
No other African American followed him. They all sniffed him out,
they all sussed him out. The only people who believed
his job were these well meaning I think, well, in
my opinion, well meaning Berkeley leftist radicals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Neppo babies always go for it, don't they They.
Speaker 1: Do, and the other it's like a mix of self
hating white people and look at the toxic empathy and
all lot of stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Look at this, Gerald, put that if you don't mind
put that back up, Gerald, your mom. Uh, he's got
the you know, in the center of that is the
mind war symbol. I just thought that was kind of
funny as we're coming off of the mind Wars topic.
Speaker 3: That's that's where he gets it from.
Speaker 2: Again with the sacred geometry, right universal, that's where he
gets it from. Of course, is that sacred geometrical kind
of concept that he's got in that picture.
Speaker 3: But right in the center is the mind war symbol.
Not by mistake, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So the grateful Dad's around just all this stuff
is happening, and it's I mean, imagine the kind of
diabolical skill of people at the top where they're layering
cyop on top of the sy hop on top of
the siop. Like imagine if you're at the CIA, or
you're James Jesus Angleton and you've been in the freaking game,
the Intel game for like thirty years already, and you're like, okay,
let's do let's do a freaking zodiac with some music
over the top and get jolly West and just lay
these on the culture all one time, and then we'll
throw on some sla stuff.
Speaker 2: It's chaos magic yet its finest and you know, and
again it's usher in the new uh, the new age uh.
And I think, you know, with the sun worship kind
of pagan symbology with obviously the zodiac symbol, you know,
with it being the zodiac, which would get right into
again this idea of like these this pagan kind of concept,
you know, which is really I think what a lot
of the Satanic Church and and a lot of this
kind of leads into is is very much you could
call it an inversion of it, but it is the
same principles of the pagan gods.
Speaker 1: That's what. That's kind of what the like you one
of the chief takeaways of this discussion about it, you know,
it's how similar they're kind of even these these Satanic gurus,
they all kind of they're rehashing same stuff. Once you
realize that what they're saying, they're not kind of coming up.
It's the same old toothpaste and the same old too.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't trust the New Age movement. You know,
as nice as some of the New Age movement is,
is like, you know, you got to get one with
you know, yourself and nature. It sounds great, but it does.
It's the same ideology, whether inverted or not. So I
don't think you should follow it. Whether I don't think
that inversion principle really matters that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. They meant they asked the question
of a Satanist at the twenty five minute mark. There's
like David Toast Tosky, So the cop is really important
element to the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Robert Donnie, Robert Downey Junior has an ant On
Leavey kind of style, kind of mustache to him, kind
of vibe.
Speaker 3: I thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: He was quite the character. Apparently he was a heavy
drug user and day drinker and stuff like that. So
even even the outfit of the zodiac is acculted, like it's.
Speaker 2: Oh black robe, like a black mass looking you know.
I just wonder, you know, because you can't look up
the uh. I'm sure I could find it if I
really got into it. But I wonder if Michael Akino
drove a red Mustang.
Speaker 1: I would wonder. I think that's a good, good question, because.
Speaker 2: That was the first car that pulled up. It was
that red Mustang, and then later it was a different car,
almost to indicate that there was a different killer. Did
you notice that, Like they used multiple cars whenever the
killer was driving by. So the first one was that
red kind of Mustang sixty eight sixty nine, and they
had another one later. It was just kind of like
a kind of fat, kind of boat, kind of Lincoln
style car. And uh, it seems to kind of point
to a couple of different killers as it goes, and
we'll get to it towards the end where the basement
scene and the whole movie the guy that had all
the movies in the basement.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing as Sun of Sam, Like,
I mean, everything points to multiple killers and multiple times
and multiple places, just no question about it.
Speaker 2: I guess there was a yellow Folkswagon too, Pam, I didn't.
I might have missed that one. But see that's what
I mean, Like, why have all these different cars unless
you're trying to indicate, you know, a little bit of
the Easter eggs were throughout that that movie. Pretty well, okay,
Dashbury Clinic patient, but been unable to verify who was
who was Yeah, who's he?
Speaker 1: See?
Speaker 2: Oh damn White starfold killer.
Speaker 1: Well, if he was there, he was in the hands
of some pretty devious, freaking people, no question about that.
I'm trying to find a Gray Smith book. There's like
Gray Smith kind of made his career after you know,
the Zodiac thing, Like his book sold so many copies
and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, while you're looking up that, we mentioned this. Yeah,
during the phone call, uh during after the Blue Rock
Spring killing. I guess yeah, the caller he calls in
and he calls himself Sam, and that just indicates that
kind of son of Sam kind of concept. And then this,
as you mentioned a minute ago, the satanic question was
mentioned not not too far after that or before that, right.
Speaker 4: See, I had this thing down but in a different
different computer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's just a lot in this. I mean,
it's like I said earlier, it's a pretty long film.
Melvin bell lies in here. So Melvin Belles another character
with the long history going back to Jack Ruby. He
was Jack Ruby's attorney. He was a civil attorney. Guys
in a criminal case like brought in from California. I
think it doesn't make any sense, Like you didn't even
get a criminal attorney. Why would you put Melvin Belli
from California in a Texas case in a criminal case,
who's a civil attorney? Unless you wanted it fixed? And
bell I had mob connection. He had a lot of
mob friends, and some of his best friends were very sketchy.
Speaker 2: Get the fuck. I'm so sorry, Go ahead, finish, dude.
Look at the comment you just got.
Speaker 1: What's that ghost Rides?
Speaker 2: Ghost Rides Lieutenant Michael Achino details is nineteen sixty six
Ford Mustang, originally white, which he custom painted candy apple
red with the black interior framing. It is a major
piece of shut up, dude, that's insane.
Speaker 3: Thank you Gerald. Holy shit? Well that okay.
Speaker 2: So that car and the fact that at one point
the movie just decides for no reason to add in
the investigation that they were looking at leads at the
military facilities because they thought that there was the Presidio
library had.
Speaker 3: Books stolen from it.
Speaker 2: That was just completely added into the movie because I
looked it up. It wasn't part of the investigation. So
that to me was a big smoking gun. And the
car I couldn't verify at the time, but now that
it has been.
Speaker 3: Kind of verified, I mean, that's insane.
Speaker 2: It was it was dark that night whenever he pulled up,
but it was a red Mustang. Man, that's wild. Good
find Jerald. Yeah, man, that's uh. Yeah. They were definitely
laying it down. But you know, at the end, we'll
get to it. With the Kenneth Anger situation, there's a
guy who has all these movies in a basement and
he goes there and he kind of goes because the
part of the movie in the beginning they mentioned how
the killer has a basement in his house, and they're like, well,
there's no basements in California, or at least not many.
And so when he goes to this guy's house towards
the end, he's like, Hey, come in the basement. I'll
show you. And I guess the killer worked for him
at his movie theater, he said, And so he comes
down and then he kind of realizes that this guy's
got to be the killer and this dude looks just
like Kenneth Anger. I'll pull it up while you do that.
But the actor in the movie and Kenneth Anger, if
you put them next to each other identical.
Speaker 1: Really, Yes, I wonder where I could find that clip.
Speaker 2: I'm looking up basement seeing zodiac and I have it
right here. How can you put it?
Speaker 1: Can you put it in the show notes?
Speaker 3: I can't hold on here.
Speaker 1: Copy.
Speaker 3: I'll put it in a private chat.
Speaker 2: Sure, there you go, all right, and then I'll get
a picture of kind of thing or unless you got
one already, probably cool? You got you got it?
Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty wild. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can play that without getting
a strike. I've gotten copyright strikes.
Speaker 2: He does look like kennething Er, that's for sure, doesn't
he He's got the long hair, he's got that facial
structure as well, Like they did a great job with
that man. And so it's got this aspect of there's
more than one killer because then check this out. He's
in the basement and there's noise upstairs, and he goes,
who else is here? Is there somebody else here? And
then he like starts keeps talking about something else. He's like, yo,
who's upstairs? And then he runs out of the house eventually,
So there's this idea of like there's more than one
person in the house. More than one killer. Possibly this
satanic you know cult you know that's doing this that
we're kind of alluding to.
Speaker 1: Perfect sounds, wasn't one done on Halloween or there's some
kind of Halloween tie into this way.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Yeah, there was one on Halloween, so.
Speaker 1: That kind of that's another cult tie. Oh yeah, the
public's terrified, so the whole city's in terror. And then
they make this interesting point like more people died on
the road in one week than have you know, the
Zodiac is killed. So they make this point like this
is definitely maximizing psychological power, much like Sons of Sam Yeah,
which you know New York at that time was super violent.
So I think something similar like this is happening where
it's like the amount of like psychological warfare potency is
off the charts.
Speaker 2: Well, I forgot to mention. Oh yeah, ladies, shut up,
shut up, super chat. We got a Scorpio Rising. So
that's a movie that was made by Kenneth Anger. And uh,
there's something in the book or in the movie Scorpio
Killer in the Zodiac movie and that was like the
movie that the guy that he was, yeah, and he
was trying to show him that copy or whatever downstairs.
Speaker 3: I guess it was a scorpio killer.
Speaker 2: And then the real guy, Kenneth Thanker, made Scorpio rising
in real life, so that kind of crossovers a little
bit there too. In that scene.
Speaker 1: Sure is, Scorpio is linked to sex, death and rebellion,
so it's like one of those like zodiac signs that's violent.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's perfect exactly.
Speaker 2: And again with the Satanic cult and the pagan kind
of zodiac astrology kind of aspect, it all ties in
because whenever you read mind Star like we did, we
talked about the netter and how the netter nature is
really what like these gods are essentially which would be
represented by astrological signs, and if they worship the sun
god and astrological signs, then they worship nature. And then
that's where you get this idea of taking nature and
transmuting it through magical principles. And that's like all this is.
It's really pretty simple when we boil it down to that.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that last hour where like
they meet up Toash, she meets gray Smith. Gray Smith
goes and sees Avery and then he sees Tosski and
then they're like, hey, did this guy know Darlene? Right?
They she got some kind of mocking call, right like
I know you and blah blah blah. So yes, it
would insinuate where you could deduce that the killer knew her,
which makes it no non random.
Speaker 2: Killing, right right, These are targeted killings. And to that point,
there was one person that you had mentioned that maybe
fringe theory, but possibly was connected to a witness scenario
with an assassination with RFK. Right, was it RFK?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. This book is called Project Artichoke, and that's
what the whole thing is, is like talking about this
connection and that it's about Zodiac and all these other
people doing it and it ties. It's actually interesting because
kind of one of the main characters in this is
another mind control not West but my Control guy, William
Joseph Brian Junior, who's close friends with Belli, like he
knows bell I personally, and bell I invited him to
some of his meetings and things, and bell I trained
at his hypnotist center in La of all places. So
there's weird overlaps between bell I and Bailey, who was
the attorney for Hurst, who Bailey had close personal friendships
with William Joseph Bryan, and there's connections to Sir Hansor
and and it's just a weird overlap yep.
Speaker 2: And that's that whole mind control assassin military occult group
that's insane absolutely.
Speaker 1: And where did William Brian live? He was in the
East Bay? Where did these like killings happen in the
East Bay? Like the LAO is like up there, like
literally I can pull a map up and show you
where Brian lived and where the East Bay was, and
Brian is like I mean, according to Todd Wood, Brian is
like the Grand ching Goun like a Satanist and mind controller,
which would make perfect.
Speaker 3: Sense exactly because they're hand in hand, you know.
Speaker 2: And that big dude that they thought was the killer
that ended up being the killer at the end, he
gave me John Wayne Gacy vibes a little bit, So
I looked up like just to see maybe if there
was any John Wayne Gacy connection. So there was this
weird thing where this girl through the John Wayne Gacy case,
they were able to solve a case that happened in
the Haye Ashbury area. A woman who died in hay
Ashbury that ran away from Chicago, right around the area
he was in, so they thought maybe that he killed her.
It got ruled out that he killed her because she
got killed in Haye Ashbury by somebody else. But it's
this weird like, what are the odds that this girl
happened to go to Hayte Ashbury where there's other killers,
from where this killer was and get killed.
Speaker 1: Very small, very strong. There were other occult killings that
happened in Kyde Ashbury around that time, if I remember directly.
But Bart says if Melvin bell I was the CIA asset,
could FOI press? I don't know. Sometimes these FOI requests
do show a lot of stuff that they didn't redact.
But he didn't represent Patty Hurst. Bell I represented Jack
Ruby in sixty three or sixty four and came out
from California. And then he's in this film like they're
calling him at his home. He has weird art in
the background. He's being secreted around, And I don't know
if James Jesus and Angleton was in contact with him
or not. I don't have any idea, but Bella is
a really interesting character. I've done a show on him
with Mark Shaw. You can check that out.
Speaker 3: I'm sending you another thing here.
Speaker 2: There you go, and I sent that to you too,
because we could pull that up if you want to.
That's just like if the chat wants it for later.
This guy's website kind of wild guy here, Uh, I
don't know exactly, we could kind of if you want.
Speaker 1: He's done a lot of research, like look at this,
Oh yeah, Zodiac solved theirs.
Speaker 2: The guy he's got a bunch of blogs within this
huge page. Like it's got all kinds of blocks, So
I don't know exactly which one leads to his actual breakdown.
But one of these, it was a full breakdown I
found online. It's just hard to find it in his website.
It's not the easiest to navigate.
Speaker 1: This is uh killer case ritualistic psychological operation orchestrated by
Michael Lokeino killings were part of a broader agenda involving
fear manipulation and child trafficking, supported by evidence it could
have messages ritualistic signatures. Well, let's see if I can
get this paper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's got all kinds of uh satanic. The
Metal den is another one where they have all kinds
of breakdowns of like how these groups all come together
and then rock groups too, like they add in like
that as well. It's kind of because they are a
rock group. I guess this dude used to like play
guitar or something interesting.
Speaker 1: I should reach out to this guy. I mean, he
seems to be still active as you posted anything recently.
This is from twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is recent. Maybe that's why it doesn't
have the full breakdown. Let me see if I can
find Uh, he's probably got more than one because.
Speaker 1: It may so this is very recent. Antichrest the Bimbo releases.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, The Zodiac Killers six Degrees of Michael Akino
February sixteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: He did this one. Oh here, this is a good one.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3: Here, I'm gonna send this to you.
Speaker 2: So he's got a bunch in here within this thing
that you just search a Kino and you can find
all kinds of other blogs he has. I just sent
you one there that's got a really good breakdown, it
seems where he connects the SETI in ideology with the
zodiac stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is a big breakdown.
Speaker 1: This is all Gray Smith's book.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well.
Speaker 4: Somebody wrote this about his I guess, but booky six
Degrees of Michael.
Speaker 2: Keino that one's good. We should get into that one's
got a lot in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the thing.
Speaker 2: Talked about. Despite the fact that I found out he
was allowed military leave during the Vietnam War to come
back to California to attend a Church of Satan meeting
in San Francisco at the Black House. So I looked
up if he was in the military during these killings.
I didn't know he was allowed to come back. So
even though he was in the military and in Vietnam,
he was able to come back. So it really kind
of throws out the idea of his alibi. So during
this time you had the zodiac killings going on, and
he talks about the zodiac signs were originally instituted by Adam,
Seth and Enoch before the flood. Their meaning was transmitted
by Noah, who preserved it. This gets into some ancient shit.
The ancients called Adam's son agathomma daemon. It was equated
to Osiris, and Osiris was believed to be represented by
the zodiac by the sign of Taurus. The Hermetic literature
states that Agathamidaeon is the biblical patriarch Seth was I
identified with Zeus depicted as a serpent. He learned that
Zeus was secret identity of Satan Himmler and the Third
Reich specifically had the throne of Zeus. Oh, by the way,
this dude used the dagger, and I'm pretty sure that
when I looked up the dagger that was used as
a military grade dagger, first of all, and you said
that he had a Nazi dagger, a double sided kind
of Nazi dagger, and that's it's very similar in size and.
Speaker 3: In shape I believe to what was used.
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure though, definitely a military dagger though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's pictures of him with this like Nazi
dagger somewhere' see if I can find it. There's the
Blackhouse right there. This is notorious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a great breakdown there if you
guys want to look, because it's it gets into all
the details at least that you can find about how
this guy could have been connected to because through a
symbology of the Satin philosophy the Satanic Church, his connection
to the Presidio Satanic ritual abuses they were going on.
It's pretty easy to assume once you get to the zodiac, I,
you know, symbology, that there's something there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy kills it.
Speaker 1: Darlene Farron had satanic materials in her home. She lived
in the same building as fast On. Make that makes sense.
So they're both killed in different spots, but in the
same building.
Speaker 3: Wow, and she had the satanic stuff in there. Crazy.
Johnny Gosh, what.
Speaker 1: Did Johnny Carlos Perry?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah. Paponacci is the young man who said under
oath that Aquino was the man behind the child deductions,
including the never solved disappearance of Johnny Gosh the newspaper. Boy,
isn't that like the original milk carton? Like you know, yeah,
like that's yeah. Wow. This dude has a lot of
stuff on, like Frazzle Drip and all that too.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I was kind of at one point kind of getting
through his other stuff on here and yeah did he
apparently you know, they sell like images on the dark
web of that video and shit like video what the
frazzle Drip video? Apparently like there's apparently it's because I
didn't know how real it was. I mean, of course,
you know, there's an idea that it could be real.
Uh you know, can you hear the audio in this Yeah?
Actually no, yep, I thought I did.
Speaker 3: That's true, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Which we may use in our rituals. This one happened
to belong to the commanding general of the most elite
unit of Germany's infamous SS just concerned with black magic
and occultists and research in general, anything that it could
find that had to do with the origins of the
human race, destiny of humanity.
Speaker 6: The perverted view of the occultold by Heinrich Kimbler, was
of an evil magic that could help create a new
master race. Webelsburg Castle is where he performed his ceremonies.
Speaker 5: I have been to the Wabelsburg, which still preserves Heinrich
Kimler's ritual chambers to this day, and have conducted a
black magical ritual in the so called Hall of the
Dead beneath the Webelsburg.
Speaker 2: Wow, what the hell do you think he was doing
down there?
Speaker 1: Not good stuff? What do you think the Knots were
doing down there? Was a member of the Knights of
Malta too.
Speaker 2: Really, man, you know, no wonder Peter Thiel's going to
Argentina and then applied for Malta for citizenship as well.
You know, it's just weird how he's from Germany and
Frankfurt as well. And these guys man the next generation.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: He'll they'll jump from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Speaker 3: M h, it's the same group. You know, it hasn't left.
Speaker 2: I wonder if zodiacs a lot if Michael Aquino's alive,
because this guy's big thing is that Michael Aquino's still alive,
and that when he came out with this, Apparently he
thinks a Keno faked his death.
Speaker 1: There is a death notice that he shot himself in thead.
Maybe it's not true, but I think they'd had the
right address. He was on California Street in San Francisco somewhere.
So your guest is as good as mine. I don't know,
do you honestly really think he's alive. I mean, he's old,
he was old seventy.
Speaker 2: Two or oh. I don't necessarily, but this guy thinks
that he is. I just you know, I haven't looked
deep enough into why he thinks so. Though, as the
story goes, Satan thumping Vietnam veteran and mk ultra programmer
for the CIA was the person who was in charge
of not only the finders, but also terrorized kids at
his home with the help of his wife, Lilith Akino
while operating his own demonic church called the Temple of Set.
He is able to control the resources of the NSA,
which includes, but is not limited to phone email tapping.
See I remember seeing all this. And he talks about
elf wave and electromagnetic brain manipulation, which is literally stuff
that a Quino talked about in his book, and then
he talks about occult Investigator Max Spires was found dead
on a sofa in Poland in twenty sixteen on my birthday,
July sixteenth, after allegedly vomiting a mysterious black fluid, Shortly
after he had uncovered evidence of an elite pedophile ring
that connected Akino to the Pizza Gate ring that he
believed is responsible for the murdering late rock star Chris
Cornell Chester Bennington, and according to online researcher Titus Frost,
this guy's the only journists who forensically proved that Chris
and Chester were murdered by way of latch theory, where
he proved each PDE covered up all the true forensic evidence. Wow,
so this guy is like deep and I think the
whole artists being connected to this got his interest really
deep into it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Covered up by like the pd is.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not surprised he gets into the Order of
the Trapezoid Order. Yeah, he gets in all kind I mean,
he goes through the depths of a Kino.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Definitely networked, There's an absolutely no question about it. Totally networked.
Speaker 2: He started the Order of the trapezol in nineteen eighty two.
Some of them matched the Zodiac crime scenes. The geometric
symbolicalism obviously was protected by the government. So there's a
lot of like weird stuff with this where it's like, man,
all the unsolved murders maybe do have to do with
one person. I mean, think about how good we are
at solved murders where it's almost like, I mean, this
is what they do. They're pretty good at it for
the most part, you know, So.
Speaker 1: Right, oh, what else you got? I know, you got
to take off pretty soon. I mean, I think it's
a good movie. I enjoyed rewatching it. I recommend it. It
kind of goes through the killings in a very particulous way.
Speaker 2: But not many gillin' Hall of movies that I don't like. Dude,
that guy's good actor. Robert Downey's same thing. Another good
movie that Robert Downey's in that kind of connects to
this that we're talking about is Natural Boring Killers. Right,
he's the journalist and then he got this chick who's
being abused by her dad, and she seems to be
The guy who made the movie said that this was
a movie about two people that are demonically possessed. It's
Oliver Stone, right, and Sean Stone brings up the movie
on Tucker Carlton recently that kind of brought it to mind.
But uh, yeah, it's just it's very similar with this
kind of right satanic ritual abuse, murderer kind of concept there.
Speaker 1: Right, Traumatized as children makes perfect sense. Story by Quentin Tarantine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you watch it, it's one of those, uh
acid trip kind of movies. You know you got there's
just random scenes in the background that have nothing to
do with the real landscape of where they're at. It's
just like, you know, random shit, and uh, it reminds
me a lot of like Fear and Loathing in Las
Vegas where they have the adreanochrome scene in So there's
a lot of this kind of like assy trip kind
of movies that come out later, which I think are
getting made by this group almost you know, where they're
kind of displaying some of their stuff in a weird way. Yeah,
definitely good stuff man.
Speaker 3: Yeah we could plan ah another one soon.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think you know, there's only so much
you could do with the zodiac connections in a kino,
but I think that definitely does.
Speaker 1: There's something strange, there's an underbelly there, and then like
the involvement of these other like mind control people around
and William Joseph Bryan and Avery's connection to these two events. Yeah,
that's the operation Chaos is really crazy.
Speaker 2: It's ye there, the whole Phoenix, Patty Hurst and the
dude like all that. That shocked me. I didn't know
all that. So yeah, there's so many layers to it.
I think we probably get a lot of the answers
to this through researching the other stuff we've been looking
at that you know, the Finders, the O nine A,
all these things.
Speaker 1: The the things are similar to this guy, right, here.
So you brought up Rocket Randy Coney before we leave.
This one's interesting because this guy said his name is Void.
I don't know. I've never contacted him. I should reach
out to him. City has five hundred million downloads on
this website since nineteen ninety eight. It's huge. Wow. But
he has some of Avery's played by Robert Downey Jerring Junior.
Some of Avery's papers. She just put them up about Sodie.
I guess this is the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put that link. We'll get that link to me.
I'll put in the description for the show as well.
We'll get a few of the all these links that
we've been doing because these are good. This good information
people to look at.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy does interviews, but I'll
send them out to I would like to know where
the rest of Avery's papers are.
Speaker 2: They probably they made sure that was gone. I'm sure that.
Speaker 1: Uh, these guys have valuable papers that aren't are missing
or aren't found or not. They're not like taking care
of and like there's enough like serious research people in
the research community who would love to look through all
those like they're they're priceless. Because some of these guys,
you know that's how you you didn't have a hard drive.
You had to actually like have paper copies of stuff
back then. So some of that stuff is priceless.
Speaker 3: Oh, I bet.
Speaker 2: And I prefer to have the physical because I just
anticipate one day that all the stuff that we do
have right now is not going to be around.
Speaker 1: It's also going to be faked AI or you know,
it's not going to be authentic. So I think that
really the advent of AI will create this kind of
counter value system of authentic things. So like all these
old pictures and all these old things are actually not
be thrown into like the waistband, they'll become more valuable.
So things that you may think are scrap right now
or your hard drive, I call this is just some research,
it might be invaluable because if it sets a time
and date of certain things that AI could easily fake.
And so they're already seeing people pass through stuff like
what's real, what's fake?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you want to fight the attack
on your imaginative and conceptual thinking, then do analog stuff,
because that's the only way to fight it. Like I
try to read actual books and take actual notes only
because literally just because I don't want to. I feel
myself losing my brain. They want your brain to be
a black abyss of nothing, they do, where you just
got nothing in there at all times, there's no thoughts
coming to your head.
Speaker 3: I feel like the only way to really get there is.
Speaker 2: Reading and writing and getting that conceptual kind of thinking
going on.
Speaker 3: And uh, yes, that's the only way to fight it, dude.
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Speaker 3: But otherwise, thank you very much and I'll see Youssume
William Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thanks Andre time, Yeah, hi chat, Thanks everybody, Thanks for
all the comments, and again we covered Zodiac the film
and it's Andrew of the six g Agenda Podcast. Thanks
so much, really appreciate it. Later, all right later, all right, man,
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