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Speaker 1: It's a good luck. Okay, we are alive. Hi. This

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is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey investigates on today's show.

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Have a very special guest, returning guest. His name is

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Andrew operates the six g Agenda podcast. I've missed that

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in the past, forgot to say agenda that we're talking

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the pre show. This will be our tenth show, and

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I think our fourth or fifth show following this kind

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of my Michael A. Kino course of his trajectory of

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his life and possible influence in these murders that took

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place in the late sixties right around this kind of

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like supposedly the birth of the Age of Satan, which

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was announced by Rome, but Rosemary's Baby and a lot

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of strange things happened after the sixties, and one of

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them is these Zodiac murders, which are very similar to

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the Son of Sam murders, and also the Beast of

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Florence murders, believe it or not, internationally where there are

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young people in cars and they get attacked and savage

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things happen. Really savage stuff happened to him. But it

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let us to go watch this movie. I hadn't seen

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it in a while. I think I watched it when

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it came out in two thousand and seven, so it's

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been twenty years. But I've learned a lot more. I

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know a lot more about stuff. So when I was

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watching through it, more things became noticeable and apparent to me.

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And there's a lot here that is in that research.

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And a lot of these guys are famous actors, Jill

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and All, Robert Downey Junior, some of these other characters

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are pretty famous people, and they're in David Fincher who

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had done seven and Fight Club already. But you know

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a lot of stuff. Andrew saw it just telling me

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that there are a lot of Easter eggs and things

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like that, and a lot it's actually, I think, kind

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of true to the story. And I grew up in

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San Francisco later than that, but in the seventies and

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a lot of that stuff, like the back we ever

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did the set pieces, This is all very accurate kind

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of stuff. This is pre internet. So you had the

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San Francisco Examiner in the San Francisco Chronicle. I we

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used to call it the comical make fun of it.

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But this is back when you used to deliver papers

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like this is when the events happened, So people are

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sending letters and there's famous people involved in this. I've

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done shows about Melvin Bell. I could do another show

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because it's crazy that he's involved in the Zodiac, because

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he's all over with Jack Ruby and friends with some

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very interesting characters, which we can talk more about that.

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So Andrew, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me back. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah,

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Hayte Ashbury is very close to with the Jack Ruby

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and then of course with all this going on with

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the Zodiac and the Satanic Church, so I think it's

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all one hub of one thing going on, mind control experiment,

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Satanic ritual abuse, the whole deal. But yeah, piggybacking off

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of our last episode, we kind of touched on this

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theory that maybe a kino had something to do with

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the Zodiac murders, or it was the Satanic group, maybe

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not just a keno but a group of people, and

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so there's somebody named We kind of talked about it

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in the after show last time, Andy Rocket Cody, who

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really decodes and breaks down all the little connections with

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this Satanic cult group and the Church of Satan with

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the Zodiac Killer and this guy's pretty cool. We can

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maybe get to it later, but first we decided, you know,

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we want to kind of break down this movie and

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see if there was anything in it that maybe Hollywood

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wanted to add to it. And I was really surprised.

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confirmation bias, but whenever they say, oh, I think the

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Killer stole a book from the library at the Presidio

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Military Base, I go what. And then I looked it

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up and it had nothing to do with the case,

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just a little easter egg they had in there. So

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that kind of stuff, you know, really popped out, and

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a great spot to start.

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Speaker 1: It's a long movie. It's two and a half two

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hours forty five minutes, and it could be considered slow

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were very dutiful and fastidious about covering the crimes, like

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each one of the crimes and the dates, so it

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had a real kind of document in my opinion, documentary

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style to it. Yes, it wasn't a lot of flash

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really played the guy as Glenlan Hall plays a real guy.

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definitive book at the time, which sold millions of copies.

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think it's really been solved. They've been a lot of

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like possible suspects, but the fact that it's not really solved,

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who's dead and his family, you know, is trying to

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tie some things to him being the Zodiac Killer. There's

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all these little connections and times that will go over

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as you said, kept us more of like a historical documentary,

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kind of no fluff kind of movie, but then they

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add in weird things like what we're going to get into?

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Speaker 3: So that's interesting to.

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Speaker 1: Me, Like what's their agenda, what are they trying to do?

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all important questions. But there's clearly something a cult going

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on with this whole thing, the letters, and it's very

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similar to the Son of Sam, like you mentioned in apprecio,

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like they actually say, call my name Sam. Interesting. Yeah,

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and it ties into that book. I showed you a

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couple episodes before, which is you know, Birthing the Age

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of Satan, which literally was nineteen sixty eight or nineteen

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sixty nine if I remember correctly, like Rosemary's Baby ties

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into that. It was like the Hoping for the Age

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of Satan. So it would make sense that this huge

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mind control operation which I think Zodiac was took place,

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like it's really something else, and then then nobody gets caught.

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the occult, I mean the cryptids he used, we're talking Greek,

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was Greek naval intelligence, Roman hit all kinds of different

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symbols that he added in together, and you know the

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polymath kind of style that you know a lot of

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Satanic movement and everything, it is really a lot about

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a weird way, but like black magician kind of style.

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and it seems that he's utilizing this with these letters

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Speaker 1: Right, so we would be right in line with Kruppley

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numbers and words, and they love all this stuff. It's

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connections and things like that. So he would be right

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and then that being involved is kind of interesting to

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Speaker 1: Right well, he's tied to almost every like major like

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like and going to like Operation Phoenix and all this

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other stuff. So he was not small fry. And this

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sex scandals. My understanding, like it's literally in the context

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Speaker 1: Let me look it up. He was investigated. Let's see,

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there were tons of stuff. Let's see, this is eighty

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seven is one investigation, so I guess there's a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how long he's in this area, you know,

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twenty years. He's kind of entrenched in this Satanic kind

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of well, also making the cy wars to mind wars,

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Zodiac murders are going on. I mean, this calling that

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starting in the sixties and you know, into the eighties

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and making the syops to mine wars kind of involves

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itself with that as well. It's a blueprint to it.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And even though letters reflect that right

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this is the most dangerous game and that I'm collecting slaves.

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the collecting slaves for the afterlife, which I remember reading

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in David McGowan's book that Henry Lucas's mother said that,

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and she was saying, I'm collecting you. You're gonna be

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one of my slaves in the afterlife, and he ended

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up killing her and you know, et cetera. But I

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think that's that that kind of theme crosses over to this,

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's definitely there. I mean the first so

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it's really closer to Napa Valley or Napa County. But

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that was July fourth, nineteen sixty nine, so like consistent

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with dates of like other killings where they happen on

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festivals or things like that. Yeah, so July fourth. Then

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it also features Paul Avery, who was then went on

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to write a book about Patty Hurst, like he was

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an Operation Chaos thing, much like the Chaos book kind

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of alleges that Manson was part of Operation Chaos. That's

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the title. But if you read some of these other books,

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and really great book it's called Revolution's End, which alleges

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that Sinke is really a cutout. He's not very bright,

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and all of a sudden he comes towards these like leftist, liberal,

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white middle class people with this preset worldview which is

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kind of extraordinary. And the guy who's kind of like

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running him and runs at Burke I forgot his name,

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but like he's like an ex He's he's actually mentioned

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in Avery's book, but he's an ex guy from Operation Phoenix,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys, it's all interconnected. And that that just

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of group trying to usher in through chaos, this new age.

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of peripherally in the movie. I think some witnesses or

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some individuals were kind of connected to the subs.

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Speaker 2: Atlantis in some way that made me jot it down.

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of this new age of like what what did.

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Speaker 3: Alistair Crowley call it?

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Speaker 2: New age of Horace, the seti in age, as Aquino

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the New Atlanta. It's just ties right into it as well.

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Speaker 2: The old days, right, spiritual hierarchy. Yeah, spiritual hierarchy, and

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the nature gods that are kind of you know, we're

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synchronized with nature and this spiritual hierarchy over man, which

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really just leads to like there's only a divine right

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to rule for some people and the rest are just animals.

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if I remember, but it was Colston Westbrook was the

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intelligence handler out of this hospital in between Sacramento and

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San Francisco where Sinke I forgot his real name, but

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he came out of it cult from Westbrook was literally

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a shrink, like he was African American, but a very

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you know, accomplished shrink for the Phoenix program. So he

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might have actually known, uh known Michael Akino in the military.

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a smaller group. But like this ties Avery ties the

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Zodiac to the s la which they died and when

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when the sink, like was in this final shootout in

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South Central, like he had somebody went up to his

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head and shot him in the head. Like that's what

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the coroner said.

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Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, execution.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does me tales, Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I don't think it's possible to control

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man's mind without some kind of spiritual cult aspect added

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to it. So I think that this is intrinsically tied

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when we're talking about the Phoenix Program, MK Ultra studies

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and the military and the occult you know, the satanic

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groups we're talking about, and so yeah, I think that

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that's why we see that crossover so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's de Freeze. Thanks, it's Daniel de Friese I

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think was his name.

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Speaker 2: But oh yeah, yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: It's it is a real It is an interesting attachment

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between Avery and Zodiac. Who who is this kind of

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guy who is really one of the central figures in Zodiac,

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called quote Zodiac unquote killer.

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Speaker 3: You know that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, it's in it's in the film.

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Avery's is sent that life.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't connect with who he was with the

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Phoenix program and everything. I wasn't Yeah, making those connections.

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That's really crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let me see if I can bring up

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his book. This is the this is the book that

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he this It all ties into mind control too, believe

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it or not, because a Kino's involved in mind control

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and the whole Hearst thing, they're covered with mind control

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people all over the Hurst thing and and and uh,

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it's just the backdrop of this operation cast. But this

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is Avery. That's his name down there, Paul Avery.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a Kabbalistic number to use right there.

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Speaker 1: Sure is one of most bizarre chapters in the history

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of the American Left. It's because it was I think

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it was because it was totally fabricated by the government

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and what they wanted to do is malign the left.

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So instead of like they did this in Hayde Ashbury,

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love and everything was good and then all of a sudden,

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people like Manson show and Jolly West show up and

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the whole place changes into this dark, meth dealing, black

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magic thing. So this whole thing of change against the

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Vietnam War suddenly takes a dark turn. And then there's

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a murder series of murders in LA.

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Speaker 2: We're doing the same thing on the right right now,

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except for it's like different. It's the Christian movement instead

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of the love hippie movement, and it's still going into

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the dark occult chaos magic with the I mean, look

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at it, it's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: They're actually infiltrating the Christian Church right now and in

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front of our faces. And like the Christian Church response

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is obtuse and weak.

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Speaker 2: I mean the alien thing. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: They don't know they're in a hardcore spiritual battle. Like

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that's one of the first things that you have to

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realize if you're in the Christian Church today, is like

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you are at a ruthless, cataclysmic spiritual battle of the

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highest order. They were going through it back then, and

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if you go back and look at the histories of

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the Hate Ashbury, it didn't have that kind of hardcore

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drug element. So the LSD wasn't there yet. It was

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literally people against this bold, blowny war and LBJ, who's crazier,

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maybe as crazy as Trump is, but the same kind

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of thing was happening, so it had to be subverted

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on every level cultural, physical, The.

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Speaker 3: Back of the King killed ritual with JFK right.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: So all these people move in and West is studying

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the hippies, and then things go and then this crazy

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drug hippie who knows hypnotism very well follows this whole thing,

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and they're associated with the processed Church, and then Avery's fall,

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and then this whole zodiac starts, right, which is love

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like a follow on to Manson. At One of the

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problems is when these things get studied, they're put in

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different baskets, and really it's much challenge more challenging to

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layer them on top of each other as these events

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are happening, like Manson and Zodiac happening at the same time,

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and then the zebra killings and then Avery is the

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tie between Avery and West are the tie between Manson,

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Chaos and Patty Hurst. Guess who interviews Patty Hurst before

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the trial, Jolly West, John Lewis West? Who who is her?

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I think the defense psychiatrist for Patty Hurst, Lewis Jolly

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and West on.

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Speaker 2: The on trial. That's crazy and I know that she's

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a big like yeah mind control, uh bro.

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Speaker 1: They used every technique on her that they did in

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MK Ultra Yep, they took her from her family. She's nineteen,

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she's suggestible. They took her in, put her in a closet. Uh,

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sensory deprivation group therapy, which is really dark, not the

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darkest type of dark persuasion group therapy. Repetitive phrases, almost

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like she was in a U and camera and box

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and she it's all in the books.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like anology.

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Speaker 1: Oh then she comes out of different character next thing,

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you know, like they literally changed her personality. The youth

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techniques on her that were very, very successful. That so

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part of what West having be there was to control

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the whole thing and make sure people didn't understand that

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something much more sinister was taking place. She was just

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a young happit's girl, not ran as an intel op

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from mk Ultra experienced CIA operatives in California running all

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kinds of crazy stuff. Sin k or the Dandelser Freeze

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got let out of jail. He was much like Manson,

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They're very similar. Similarities were like, well how do these

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guys get out of jail? Like the Frieze should have

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been in jail for like another ten years. All of

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a sudden he walked out of like a Taska Daryl,

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like one of these infamous places. Like all this stuff

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is really true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Henry Lucas is another example. You know

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we went over that too, like i mean, Bush just

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lets him out. Never did that for anybody else. So yeah,

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it's it's weird that these guys you know Epstein too,

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you know, it's above it was above our pay grade,

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you know kind of thing. This is one of the.

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Speaker 1: Big reveals, Gerald Hall says it this is true, is

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that a lot of people when the Hairst thing broke,

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they thought it was a random pick up, but it wasn't.

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Patty Hurst was a leftist sympathizer from a very wealthy family,

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and she she would go to that jail and she

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was kind of like already known to these people. It

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was all it was all like kept quiet. The only people.

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The other thing, that's an interesting thing about de frees

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as a I guess African American, light skinned African American.

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No other African American followed him. They all sniffed him out,

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they all sussed him out. The only people who believed

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his job were these well meaning I think, well, in

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my opinion, well meaning Berkeley leftist radicals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Neppo babies always go for it, don't they They.

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Speaker 1: Do, and the other it's like a mix of self

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hating white people and look at the toxic empathy and

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all lot of stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Look at this, Gerald, put that if you don't mind

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put that back up, Gerald, your mom. Uh, he's got

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the you know, in the center of that is the

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mind war symbol. I just thought that was kind of

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funny as we're coming off of the mind Wars topic.

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Speaker 3: That's that's where he gets it from.

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Speaker 2: Again with the sacred geometry, right universal, that's where he

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gets it from. Of course, is that sacred geometrical kind

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of concept that he's got in that picture.

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Speaker 3: But right in the center is the mind war symbol.

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Not by mistake, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So the grateful Dad's around just all this stuff

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is happening, and it's I mean, imagine the kind of

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diabolical skill of people at the top where they're layering

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cyop on top of the sy hop on top of

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the siop. Like imagine if you're at the CIA, or

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you're James Jesus Angleton and you've been in the freaking game,

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the Intel game for like thirty years already, and you're like, okay,

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let's do let's do a freaking zodiac with some music

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over the top and get jolly West and just lay

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these on the culture all one time, and then we'll

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throw on some sla stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's chaos magic yet its finest and you know, and

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again it's usher in the new uh, the new age uh.

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And I think, you know, with the sun worship kind

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of pagan symbology with obviously the zodiac symbol, you know,

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with it being the zodiac, which would get right into

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again this idea of like these this pagan kind of concept,

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you know, which is really I think what a lot

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of the Satanic Church and and a lot of this

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kind of leads into is is very much you could

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call it an inversion of it, but it is the

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same principles of the pagan gods.

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Speaker 1: That's what. That's kind of what the like you one

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of the chief takeaways of this discussion about it, you know,

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it's how similar they're kind of even these these Satanic gurus,

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they all kind of they're rehashing same stuff. Once you

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realize that what they're saying, they're not kind of coming up.

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It's the same old toothpaste and the same old too.

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Speaker 2: That's why I don't trust the New Age movement. You know,

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as nice as some of the New Age movement is,

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is like, you know, you got to get one with

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you know, yourself and nature. It sounds great, but it does.

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It's the same ideology, whether inverted or not. So I

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don't think you should follow it. Whether I don't think

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that inversion principle really matters that much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. They meant they asked the question

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of a Satanist at the twenty five minute mark. There's

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like David Toast Tosky, So the cop is really important

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element to the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Robert Donnie, Robert Downey Junior has an ant On

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Leavey kind of style, kind of mustache to him, kind

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of vibe.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was funny.

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Speaker 1: He was quite the character. Apparently he was a heavy

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drug user and day drinker and stuff like that. So

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even even the outfit of the zodiac is acculted, like it's.

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Speaker 2: Oh black robe, like a black mass looking you know.

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I just wonder, you know, because you can't look up

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the uh. I'm sure I could find it if I

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really got into it. But I wonder if Michael Akino

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drove a red Mustang.

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Speaker 1: I would wonder. I think that's a good, good question, because.

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Speaker 2: That was the first car that pulled up. It was

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that red Mustang, and then later it was a different car,

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almost to indicate that there was a different killer. Did

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you notice that, Like they used multiple cars whenever the

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killer was driving by. So the first one was that

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red kind of Mustang sixty eight sixty nine, and they

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had another one later. It was just kind of like

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a kind of fat, kind of boat, kind of Lincoln

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style car. And uh, it seems to kind of point

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to a couple of different killers as it goes, and

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we'll get to it towards the end where the basement

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scene and the whole movie the guy that had all

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the movies in the basement.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing as Sun of Sam, Like,

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I mean, everything points to multiple killers and multiple times

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and multiple places, just no question about it.

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Speaker 2: I guess there was a yellow Folkswagon too, Pam, I didn't.

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I might have missed that one. But see that's what

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I mean, Like, why have all these different cars unless

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you're trying to indicate, you know, a little bit of

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the Easter eggs were throughout that that movie. Pretty well, okay,

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00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:12,400
Dashbury Clinic patient, but been unable to verify who was

471
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,519
who was Yeah, who's he?

472
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: See?

473
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,839
Speaker 2: Oh damn White starfold killer.

474
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: Well, if he was there, he was in the hands

475
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,200
of some pretty devious, freaking people, no question about that.

476
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,559
I'm trying to find a Gray Smith book. There's like

477
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,880
Gray Smith kind of made his career after you know,

478
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,000
the Zodiac thing, Like his book sold so many copies

479
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,480
and stuff.

480
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, while you're looking up that, we mentioned this. Yeah,

481
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,440
during the phone call, uh during after the Blue Rock

482
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,160
Spring killing. I guess yeah, the caller he calls in

483
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000
and he calls himself Sam, and that just indicates that

484
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,559
kind of son of Sam kind of concept. And then this,

485
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,039
as you mentioned a minute ago, the satanic question was

486
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:05,599
mentioned not not too far after that or before that, right.

487
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:12,559
Speaker 4: See, I had this thing down but in a different

488
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,240
different computer.

489
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's just a lot in this. I mean,

490
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,359
it's like I said earlier, it's a pretty long film.

491
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,680
Melvin bell lies in here. So Melvin Belles another character

492
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:36,559
with the long history going back to Jack Ruby. He

493
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,119
was Jack Ruby's attorney. He was a civil attorney. Guys

494
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:44,039
in a criminal case like brought in from California. I

495
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,640
think it doesn't make any sense, Like you didn't even

496
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,160
get a criminal attorney. Why would you put Melvin Belli

497
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480
from California in a Texas case in a criminal case,

498
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:58,440
who's a civil attorney? Unless you wanted it fixed? And

499
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:00,559
bell I had mob connection. He had a lot of

500
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,200
mob friends, and some of his best friends were very sketchy.

501
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Get the fuck. I'm so sorry, Go ahead, finish, dude.

502
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,240
Look at the comment you just got.

503
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: What's that ghost Rides?

504
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: Ghost Rides Lieutenant Michael Achino details is nineteen sixty six

505
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,720
Ford Mustang, originally white, which he custom painted candy apple

506
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,960
red with the black interior framing. It is a major

507
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,119
piece of shut up, dude, that's insane.

508
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: Thank you Gerald. Holy shit? Well that okay.

509
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: So that car and the fact that at one point

510
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,640
the movie just decides for no reason to add in

511
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,519
the investigation that they were looking at leads at the

512
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:43,200
military facilities because they thought that there was the Presidio

513
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:43,759
library had.

514
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,559
Speaker 3: Books stolen from it.

515
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: That was just completely added into the movie because I

516
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,960
looked it up. It wasn't part of the investigation. So

517
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,720
that to me was a big smoking gun. And the

518
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,759
car I couldn't verify at the time, but now that

519
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,240
it has been.

520
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: Kind of verified, I mean, that's insane.

521
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,319
Speaker 2: It was it was dark that night whenever he pulled up,

522
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:08,240
but it was a red Mustang. Man, that's wild. Good

523
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,720
find Jerald. Yeah, man, that's uh. Yeah. They were definitely

524
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:14,640
laying it down. But you know, at the end, we'll

525
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,519
get to it. With the Kenneth Anger situation, there's a

526
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:20,759
guy who has all these movies in a basement and

527
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,480
he goes there and he kind of goes because the

528
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,200
part of the movie in the beginning they mentioned how

529
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,920
the killer has a basement in his house, and they're like, well,

530
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,000
there's no basements in California, or at least not many.

531
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,359
And so when he goes to this guy's house towards

532
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,920
the end, he's like, Hey, come in the basement. I'll

533
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,000
show you. And I guess the killer worked for him

534
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,799
at his movie theater, he said, And so he comes

535
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,559
down and then he kind of realizes that this guy's

536
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,079
got to be the killer and this dude looks just

537
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,440
like Kenneth Anger. I'll pull it up while you do that.

538
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:54,279
But the actor in the movie and Kenneth Anger, if

539
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,440
you put them next to each other identical.

540
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:05,119
Speaker 1: Really, Yes, I wonder where I could find that clip.

541
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: I'm looking up basement seeing zodiac and I have it

542
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,440
right here. How can you put it?

543
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,799
Speaker 1: Can you put it in the show notes?

544
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,079
Speaker 3: I can't hold on here.

545
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,079
Speaker 1: Copy.

546
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: I'll put it in a private chat.

547
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: Sure, there you go, all right, and then I'll get

548
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,559
a picture of kind of thing or unless you got

549
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:52,880
one already, probably cool? You got you got it?

550
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty wild. I don't know.

551
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,119
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can play that without getting

552
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,359
a strike. I've gotten copyright strikes.

553
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: He does look like kennething Er, that's for sure, doesn't

554
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,160
he He's got the long hair, he's got that facial

555
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,480
structure as well, Like they did a great job with

556
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:18,039
that man. And so it's got this aspect of there's

557
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,759
more than one killer because then check this out. He's

558
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:23,519
in the basement and there's noise upstairs, and he goes,

559
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,319
who else is here? Is there somebody else here? And

560
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,599
then he like starts keeps talking about something else. He's like, yo,

561
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,400
who's upstairs? And then he runs out of the house eventually,

562
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:34,759
So there's this idea of like there's more than one

563
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:39,160
person in the house. More than one killer. Possibly this

564
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,279
satanic you know cult you know that's doing this that

565
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:43,480
we're kind of alluding to.

566
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: Perfect sounds, wasn't one done on Halloween or there's some

567
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:48,920
kind of Halloween tie into this way.

568
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,799
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Yeah, there was one on Halloween, so.

569
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: That kind of that's another cult tie. Oh yeah, the

570
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,960
public's terrified, so the whole city's in terror. And then

571
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,240
they make this interesting point like more people died on

572
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,519
the road in one week than have you know, the

573
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,240
Zodiac is killed. So they make this point like this

574
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:14,720
is definitely maximizing psychological power, much like Sons of Sam Yeah,

575
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,240
which you know New York at that time was super violent.

576
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,200
So I think something similar like this is happening where

577
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,279
it's like the amount of like psychological warfare potency is

578
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:28,640
off the charts.

579
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Well, I forgot to mention. Oh yeah, ladies, shut up,

580
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:38,079
shut up, super chat. We got a Scorpio Rising. So

581
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,039
that's a movie that was made by Kenneth Anger. And uh,

582
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640
there's something in the book or in the movie Scorpio

583
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,200
Killer in the Zodiac movie and that was like the

584
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,519
movie that the guy that he was, yeah, and he

585
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:55,960
was trying to show him that copy or whatever downstairs.

586
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,079
Speaker 3: I guess it was a scorpio killer.

587
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: And then the real guy, Kenneth Thanker, made Scorpio rising

588
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,000
in real life, so that kind of crossovers a little

589
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,400
bit there too. In that scene.

590
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,559
Speaker 1: Sure is, Scorpio is linked to sex, death and rebellion,

591
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,200
so it's like one of those like zodiac signs that's violent.

592
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,039
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's perfect exactly.

593
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,319
Speaker 2: And again with the Satanic cult and the pagan kind

594
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,279
of zodiac astrology kind of aspect, it all ties in

595
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,240
because whenever you read mind Star like we did, we

596
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,799
talked about the netter and how the netter nature is

597
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:35,799
really what like these gods are essentially which would be

598
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:40,359
represented by astrological signs, and if they worship the sun

599
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,759
god and astrological signs, then they worship nature. And then

600
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,640
that's where you get this idea of taking nature and

601
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,359
transmuting it through magical principles. And that's like all this is.

602
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,920
It's really pretty simple when we boil it down to that.

603
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,799
Speaker 1: What do you think about that last hour where like

604
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,359
they meet up Toash, she meets gray Smith. Gray Smith

605
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,160
goes and sees Avery and then he sees Tosski and

606
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,920
then they're like, hey, did this guy know Darlene? Right?

607
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,519
They she got some kind of mocking call, right like

608
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,920
I know you and blah blah blah. So yes, it

609
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,920
would insinuate where you could deduce that the killer knew her,

610
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,200
which makes it no non random.

611
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,119
Speaker 2: Killing, right right, These are targeted killings. And to that point,

612
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,079
there was one person that you had mentioned that maybe

613
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,960
fringe theory, but possibly was connected to a witness scenario

614
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,000
with an assassination with RFK. Right, was it RFK?

615
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. This book is called Project Artichoke, and that's

616
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,720
what the whole thing is, is like talking about this

617
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,559
connection and that it's about Zodiac and all these other

618
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:53,480
people doing it and it ties. It's actually interesting because

619
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,160
kind of one of the main characters in this is

620
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,839
another mind control not West but my Control guy, William

621
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,480
Joseph Brian Junior, who's close friends with Belli, like he

622
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,559
knows bell I personally, and bell I invited him to

623
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,719
some of his meetings and things, and bell I trained

624
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,320
at his hypnotist center in La of all places. So

625
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:22,960
there's weird overlaps between bell I and Bailey, who was

626
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:30,320
the attorney for Hurst, who Bailey had close personal friendships

627
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,280
with William Joseph Bryan, and there's connections to Sir Hansor

628
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,800
and and it's just a weird overlap yep.

629
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: And that's that whole mind control assassin military occult group

630
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,199
that's insane absolutely.

631
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: And where did William Brian live? He was in the

632
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,239
East Bay? Where did these like killings happen in the

633
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,000
East Bay? Like the LAO is like up there, like

634
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,119
literally I can pull a map up and show you

635
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,400
where Brian lived and where the East Bay was, and

636
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,079
Brian is like I mean, according to Todd Wood, Brian is

637
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,840
like the Grand ching Goun like a Satanist and mind controller,

638
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,199
which would make perfect.

639
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: Sense exactly because they're hand in hand, you know.

640
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: And that big dude that they thought was the killer

641
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,599
that ended up being the killer at the end, he

642
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,840
gave me John Wayne Gacy vibes a little bit, So

643
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,679
I looked up like just to see maybe if there

644
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,920
was any John Wayne Gacy connection. So there was this

645
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:29,239
weird thing where this girl through the John Wayne Gacy case,

646
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,760
they were able to solve a case that happened in

647
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,079
the Haye Ashbury area. A woman who died in hay

648
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,599
Ashbury that ran away from Chicago, right around the area

649
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,039
he was in, so they thought maybe that he killed her.

650
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,039
It got ruled out that he killed her because she

651
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,360
got killed in Haye Ashbury by somebody else. But it's

652
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,360
this weird like, what are the odds that this girl

653
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,840
happened to go to Hayte Ashbury where there's other killers,

654
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,639
from where this killer was and get killed.

655
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Very small, very strong. There were other occult killings that

656
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,320
happened in Kyde Ashbury around that time, if I remember directly.

657
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,199
But Bart says if Melvin bell I was the CIA asset,

658
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:09,079
could FOI press? I don't know. Sometimes these FOI requests

659
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,559
do show a lot of stuff that they didn't redact.

660
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:19,079
But he didn't represent Patty Hurst. Bell I represented Jack

661
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,360
Ruby in sixty three or sixty four and came out

662
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,760
from California. And then he's in this film like they're

663
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,800
calling him at his home. He has weird art in

664
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:35,239
the background. He's being secreted around, And I don't know

665
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,199
if James Jesus and Angleton was in contact with him

666
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,280
or not. I don't have any idea, but Bella is

667
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,239
a really interesting character. I've done a show on him

668
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,840
with Mark Shaw. You can check that out.

669
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm sending you another thing here.

670
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,519
Speaker 2: There you go, and I sent that to you too,

671
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,119
because we could pull that up if you want to.

672
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,880
That's just like if the chat wants it for later.

673
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,039
This guy's website kind of wild guy here, Uh, I

674
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,800
don't know exactly, we could kind of if you want.

675
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: He's done a lot of research, like look at this,

676
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,159
Oh yeah, Zodiac solved theirs.

677
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: The guy he's got a bunch of blogs within this

678
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,760
huge page. Like it's got all kinds of blocks, So

679
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,639
I don't know exactly which one leads to his actual breakdown.

680
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,960
But one of these, it was a full breakdown I

681
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,239
found online. It's just hard to find it in his website.

682
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,199
It's not the easiest to navigate.

683
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,119
Speaker 1: This is uh killer case ritualistic psychological operation orchestrated by

684
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,360
Michael Lokeino killings were part of a broader agenda involving

685
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,159
fear manipulation and child trafficking, supported by evidence it could

686
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:45,480
have messages ritualistic signatures. Well, let's see if I can

687
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:46,320
get this paper.

688
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's got all kinds of uh satanic. The

689
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,280
Metal den is another one where they have all kinds

690
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,559
of breakdowns of like how these groups all come together

691
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,159
and then rock groups too, like they add in like

692
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,679
that as well. It's kind of because they are a

693
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,119
rock group. I guess this dude used to like play

694
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:11,880
guitar or something interesting.

695
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,199
Speaker 1: I should reach out to this guy. I mean, he

696
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,760
seems to be still active as you posted anything recently.

697
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,159
This is from twenty twenty five.

698
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is recent. Maybe that's why it doesn't

699
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:23,079
have the full breakdown. Let me see if I can

700
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,159
find Uh, he's probably got more than one because.

701
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: It may so this is very recent. Antichrest the Bimbo releases.

702
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:38,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, The Zodiac Killers six Degrees of Michael Akino

703
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,840
February sixteenth, twenty twenty five.

704
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: He did this one. Oh here, this is a good one.

705
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.

706
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:46,639
Speaker 3: Here, I'm gonna send this to you.

707
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: So he's got a bunch in here within this thing

708
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,039
that you just search a Kino and you can find

709
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,880
all kinds of other blogs he has. I just sent

710
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,079
you one there that's got a really good breakdown, it

711
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:01,079
seems where he connects the SETI in ideology with the

712
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:02,079
zodiac stuff.

713
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is a big breakdown.

714
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: This is all Gray Smith's book.

715
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well.

716
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 4: Somebody wrote this about his I guess, but booky six

717
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,239
Degrees of Michael.

718
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: Keino that one's good. We should get into that one's

719
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,199
got a lot in it.

720
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the thing.

721
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,039
Speaker 2: Talked about. Despite the fact that I found out he

722
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,599
was allowed military leave during the Vietnam War to come

723
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,559
back to California to attend a Church of Satan meeting

724
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,159
in San Francisco at the Black House. So I looked

725
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,199
up if he was in the military during these killings.

726
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,119
I didn't know he was allowed to come back. So

727
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,719
even though he was in the military and in Vietnam,

728
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,000
he was able to come back. So it really kind

729
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,039
of throws out the idea of his alibi. So during

730
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:05,280
this time you had the zodiac killings going on, and

731
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,440
he talks about the zodiac signs were originally instituted by Adam,

732
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,239
Seth and Enoch before the flood. Their meaning was transmitted

733
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,960
by Noah, who preserved it. This gets into some ancient shit.

734
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:23,400
The ancients called Adam's son agathomma daemon. It was equated

735
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,119
to Osiris, and Osiris was believed to be represented by

736
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:29,400
the zodiac by the sign of Taurus. The Hermetic literature

737
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,559
states that Agathamidaeon is the biblical patriarch Seth was I

738
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:39,559
identified with Zeus depicted as a serpent. He learned that

739
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,119
Zeus was secret identity of Satan Himmler and the Third

740
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,840
Reich specifically had the throne of Zeus. Oh, by the way,

741
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,920
this dude used the dagger, and I'm pretty sure that

742
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,079
when I looked up the dagger that was used as

743
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,880
a military grade dagger, first of all, and you said

744
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,360
that he had a Nazi dagger, a double sided kind

745
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,480
of Nazi dagger, and that's it's very similar in size and.

746
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,599
Speaker 3: In shape I believe to what was used.

747
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure though, definitely a military dagger though.

748
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's pictures of him with this like Nazi

749
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,000
dagger somewhere' see if I can find it. There's the

750
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,039
Blackhouse right there. This is notorious.

751
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a great breakdown there if you

752
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,199
guys want to look, because it's it gets into all

753
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,239
the details at least that you can find about how

754
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,719
this guy could have been connected to because through a

755
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,199
symbology of the Satin philosophy the Satanic Church, his connection

756
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,760
to the Presidio Satanic ritual abuses they were going on.

757
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,800
It's pretty easy to assume once you get to the zodiac, I,

758
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,000
you know, symbology, that there's something there.

759
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy kills it.

760
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Darlene Farron had satanic materials in her home. She lived

761
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,599
in the same building as fast On. Make that makes sense.

762
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,280
So they're both killed in different spots, but in the

763
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,000
same building.

764
00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:02,639
Speaker 3: Wow, and she had the satanic stuff in there. Crazy.

765
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,480
Johnny Gosh, what.

766
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,079
Speaker 1: Did Johnny Carlos Perry?

767
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah. Paponacci is the young man who said under

768
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,760
oath that Aquino was the man behind the child deductions,

769
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,400
including the never solved disappearance of Johnny Gosh the newspaper. Boy,

770
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:27,199
isn't that like the original milk carton? Like you know, yeah,

771
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,440
like that's yeah. Wow. This dude has a lot of

772
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,480
stuff on, like Frazzle Drip and all that too.

773
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

774
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: I was kind of at one point kind of getting

775
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,599
through his other stuff on here and yeah did he

776
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,679
apparently you know, they sell like images on the dark

777
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,039
web of that video and shit like video what the

778
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,960
frazzle Drip video? Apparently like there's apparently it's because I

779
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,880
didn't know how real it was. I mean, of course,

780
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,559
you know, there's an idea that it could be real.

781
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:59,599
Uh you know, can you hear the audio in this Yeah?

782
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,199
Actually no, yep, I thought I did.

783
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: That's true, Yeah.

784
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 5: Which we may use in our rituals. This one happened

785
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,480
to belong to the commanding general of the most elite

786
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:22,559
unit of Germany's infamous SS just concerned with black magic

787
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,679
and occultists and research in general, anything that it could

788
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,639
find that had to do with the origins of the

789
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,840
human race, destiny of humanity.

790
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 6: The perverted view of the occultold by Heinrich Kimbler, was

791
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,800
of an evil magic that could help create a new

792
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,199
master race. Webelsburg Castle is where he performed his ceremonies.

793
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: I have been to the Wabelsburg, which still preserves Heinrich

794
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:53,039
Kimler's ritual chambers to this day, and have conducted a

795
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,679
black magical ritual in the so called Hall of the

796
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,760
Dead beneath the Webelsburg.

797
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: Wow, what the hell do you think he was doing

798
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,440
down there?

799
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: Not good stuff? What do you think the Knots were

800
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,800
doing down there? Was a member of the Knights of

801
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,440
Malta too.

802
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: Really, man, you know, no wonder Peter Thiel's going to

803
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,199
Argentina and then applied for Malta for citizenship as well.

804
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,079
You know, it's just weird how he's from Germany and

805
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:26,559
Frankfurt as well. And these guys man the next generation.

806
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:28,320
It's so crazy.

807
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,079
Speaker 1: He'll they'll jump from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

808
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:37,079
Speaker 3: M h, it's the same group. You know, it hasn't left.

809
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,599
Speaker 2: I wonder if zodiacs a lot if Michael Aquino's alive,

810
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,119
because this guy's big thing is that Michael Aquino's still alive,

811
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,639
and that when he came out with this, Apparently he

812
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:49,000
thinks a Keno faked his death.

813
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: There is a death notice that he shot himself in thead.

814
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:55,840
Maybe it's not true, but I think they'd had the

815
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,880
right address. He was on California Street in San Francisco somewhere.

816
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:04,360
So your guest is as good as mine. I don't know,

817
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,239
do you honestly really think he's alive. I mean, he's old,

818
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,800
he was old seventy.

819
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,119
Speaker 2: Two or oh. I don't necessarily, but this guy thinks

820
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:14,440
that he is. I just you know, I haven't looked

821
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,559
deep enough into why he thinks so. Though, as the

822
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,519
story goes, Satan thumping Vietnam veteran and mk ultra programmer

823
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:24,840
for the CIA was the person who was in charge

824
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,719
of not only the finders, but also terrorized kids at

825
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,360
his home with the help of his wife, Lilith Akino

826
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,480
while operating his own demonic church called the Temple of Set.

827
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,280
He is able to control the resources of the NSA,

828
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,360
which includes, but is not limited to phone email tapping.

829
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:44,519
See I remember seeing all this. And he talks about

830
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:48,719
elf wave and electromagnetic brain manipulation, which is literally stuff

831
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,039
that a Quino talked about in his book, and then

832
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:55,000
he talks about occult Investigator Max Spires was found dead

833
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,239
on a sofa in Poland in twenty sixteen on my birthday,

834
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,400
July sixteenth, after allegedly vomiting a mysterious black fluid, Shortly

835
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,239
after he had uncovered evidence of an elite pedophile ring

836
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,000
that connected Akino to the Pizza Gate ring that he

837
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,039
believed is responsible for the murdering late rock star Chris

838
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:17,760
Cornell Chester Bennington, and according to online researcher Titus Frost,

839
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,599
this guy's the only journists who forensically proved that Chris

840
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,599
and Chester were murdered by way of latch theory, where

841
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:28,880
he proved each PDE covered up all the true forensic evidence. Wow,

842
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,039
so this guy is like deep and I think the

843
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,400
whole artists being connected to this got his interest really

844
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,079
deep into it.

845
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:40,639
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, this is crazy.

846
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,079
Speaker 1: Covered up by like the pd is.

847
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:44,159
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not surprised he gets into the Order of

848
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:48,159
the Trapezoid Order. Yeah, he gets in all kind I mean,

849
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,920
he goes through the depths of a Kino.

850
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

851
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: Definitely networked, There's an absolutely no question about it. Totally networked.

852
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,119
Speaker 2: He started the Order of the trapezol in nineteen eighty two.

853
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:09,719
Some of them matched the Zodiac crime scenes. The geometric

854
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:19,559
symbolicalism obviously was protected by the government. So there's a

855
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,719
lot of like weird stuff with this where it's like, man,

856
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,880
all the unsolved murders maybe do have to do with

857
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,440
one person. I mean, think about how good we are

858
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,599
at solved murders where it's almost like, I mean, this

859
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:31,480
is what they do. They're pretty good at it for

860
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:33,440
the most part, you know, So.

861
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Right, oh, what else you got? I know, you got

862
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,400
to take off pretty soon. I mean, I think it's

863
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,119
a good movie. I enjoyed rewatching it. I recommend it. It

864
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,599
kind of goes through the killings in a very particulous way.

865
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,679
Speaker 2: But not many gillin' Hall of movies that I don't like. Dude,

866
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,920
that guy's good actor. Robert Downey's same thing. Another good

867
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,519
movie that Robert Downey's in that kind of connects to

868
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,800
this that we're talking about is Natural Boring Killers. Right,

869
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:05,920
he's the journalist and then he got this chick who's

870
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,159
being abused by her dad, and she seems to be

871
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,400
The guy who made the movie said that this was

872
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:13,400
a movie about two people that are demonically possessed. It's

873
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,519
Oliver Stone, right, and Sean Stone brings up the movie

874
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:19,800
on Tucker Carlton recently that kind of brought it to mind.

875
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,920
But uh, yeah, it's just it's very similar with this

876
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:28,719
kind of right satanic ritual abuse, murderer kind of concept there.

877
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: Right, Traumatized as children makes perfect sense. Story by Quentin Tarantine.

878
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you watch it, it's one of those, uh

879
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:44,159
acid trip kind of movies. You know you got there's

880
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,320
just random scenes in the background that have nothing to

881
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,880
do with the real landscape of where they're at. It's

882
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,639
just like, you know, random shit, and uh, it reminds

883
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,920
me a lot of like Fear and Loathing in Las

884
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,239
Vegas where they have the adreanochrome scene in So there's

885
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,679
a lot of this kind of like assy trip kind

886
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:02,519
of movies that come out later, which I think are

887
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:05,800
getting made by this group almost you know, where they're

888
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:13,000
kind of displaying some of their stuff in a weird way. Yeah,

889
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:14,239
definitely good stuff man.

890
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah we could plan ah another one soon.

891
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,679
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think you know, there's only so much

892
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:23,880
you could do with the zodiac connections in a kino,

893
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,679
but I think that definitely does.

894
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:29,199
Speaker 1: There's something strange, there's an underbelly there, and then like

895
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,679
the involvement of these other like mind control people around

896
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:39,679
and William Joseph Bryan and Avery's connection to these two events. Yeah,

897
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,880
that's the operation Chaos is really crazy.

898
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,039
Speaker 2: It's ye there, the whole Phoenix, Patty Hurst and the

899
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,960
dude like all that. That shocked me. I didn't know

900
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,400
all that. So yeah, there's so many layers to it.

901
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,840
I think we probably get a lot of the answers

902
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,800
to this through researching the other stuff we've been looking

903
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,239
at that you know, the Finders, the O nine A,

904
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,000
all these things.

905
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: The the things are similar to this guy, right, here.

906
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,280
So you brought up Rocket Randy Coney before we leave.

907
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,800
This one's interesting because this guy said his name is Void.

908
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,440
I don't know. I've never contacted him. I should reach

909
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,360
out to him. City has five hundred million downloads on

910
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,440
this website since nineteen ninety eight. It's huge. Wow. But

911
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:23,679
he has some of Avery's played by Robert Downey Jerring Junior.

912
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,400
Some of Avery's papers. She just put them up about Sodie.

913
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,559
I guess this is the guy.

914
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, put that link. We'll get that link to me.

915
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:34,000
I'll put in the description for the show as well.

916
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,239
We'll get a few of the all these links that

917
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,280
we've been doing because these are good. This good information

918
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:39,559
people to look at.

919
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy does interviews, but I'll

920
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,320
send them out to I would like to know where

921
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,840
the rest of Avery's papers are.

922
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:52,039
Speaker 2: They probably they made sure that was gone. I'm sure that.

923
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:56,679
Speaker 1: Uh, these guys have valuable papers that aren't are missing

924
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,719
or aren't found or not. They're not like taking care

925
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,039
of and like there's enough like serious research people in

926
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,360
the research community who would love to look through all

927
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,480
those like they're they're priceless. Because some of these guys,

928
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,280
you know that's how you you didn't have a hard drive.

929
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,400
You had to actually like have paper copies of stuff

930
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,559
back then. So some of that stuff is priceless.

931
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I bet.

932
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:23,119
Speaker 2: And I prefer to have the physical because I just

933
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,719
anticipate one day that all the stuff that we do

934
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,400
have right now is not going to be around.

935
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: It's also going to be faked AI or you know,

936
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,599
it's not going to be authentic. So I think that

937
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really the advent of AI will create this kind of

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counter value system of authentic things. So like all these

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old pictures and all these old things are actually not

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be thrown into like the waistband, they'll become more valuable.

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So things that you may think are scrap right now

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or your hard drive, I call this is just some research,

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it might be invaluable because if it sets a time

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and date of certain things that AI could easily fake.

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And so they're already seeing people pass through stuff like

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what's real, what's fake?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you want to fight the attack

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on your imaginative and conceptual thinking, then do analog stuff,

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because that's the only way to fight it. Like I

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try to read actual books and take actual notes only

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because literally just because I don't want to. I feel

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myself losing my brain. They want your brain to be

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a black abyss of nothing, they do, where you just

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got nothing in there at all times, there's no thoughts

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coming to your head.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the only way to really get there is.

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Speaker 2: Reading and writing and getting that conceptual kind of thinking

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going on.

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Speaker 3: And uh, yes, that's the only way to fight it, dude.

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Speaker 1: For certain everybody. Thanks for listening. Everybody, check out six

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g Agenda Podcast. Where can people find you or reach

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out to you if you have any questions?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, six g Agenda Pod at gmail dot com if

964
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you want to reach out to the show. Otherwise, you

965
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can find us anywhere you get your platform. Six g Agenda.

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We've got you know, YouTube, Patreon. We go live on

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YouTube a lot every weekend and you can catch us

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there for the latest and greatest.

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Speaker 3: But otherwise, thank you very much and I'll see Youssume

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William Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Andre time, Yeah, hi chat, Thanks everybody, Thanks for

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all the comments, and again we covered Zodiac the film

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and it's Andrew of the six g Agenda Podcast. Thanks

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so much, really appreciate it. Later, all right later, all right, man,

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I'll let you go