Speaker 1: Bill cunning in the Great America. Of course, Israel. Now
Speaker 1: the attacks on Iran is continuing, are continuing, and this
Speaker 1: is a something that began in nineteen forty eight. And
Speaker 1: for those who think this is a brand new event,
Speaker 1: no it's not. Israel's been attacked multiple times by multiple
Speaker 1: factions over multiple generations and years. And this is an
Speaker 1: ongoing effort to take down the Iranian regime and make
Speaker 1: it look like some of the other more peaceful Muslim
Speaker 1: regimes in the Middle East. And we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: down the road, but this is an ongoing attack that's
Speaker 1: going to take several days. Joining you and I Nalys
Speaker 1: Professor Yuri Kaufman, a new book is American Intafada, Israel,
Speaker 1: the Gaza War and the new anti Semitism that would
Speaker 1: be in America. And Professor Kaufman, welcome again to the
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, when all this
Speaker 1: started a day or two ago, give me your reaction
Speaker 1: to what occurred and whether or not you see hold
Speaker 1: them in a victory or not.
Speaker 2: For Israel, well, we're seeing here as historic. There's no
Speaker 2: other word for it. I mean that word get tossed
Speaker 2: around a lot but this time it really is historic.
Speaker 2: That's the only way to describe this. It's been twenty
Speaker 2: five years in the making. In fact, Prime Minister Nintennio
Speaker 2: just said that when Ron Dermer, who was one of
Speaker 2: his I can even say his right hand man, first
Speaker 2: joined him twenty five years ago and he asked, what's
Speaker 2: our biggest threat? Didn't Yeo said, if they're on And
Speaker 2: nt Yo wrote a book all the way back in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, it was only three years after the
Speaker 2: Iatolas seies power there and he said, all the way
Speaker 2: back then, these guys are crazy and they're going to
Speaker 2: try to get a nuclear weapon. So this is many, many,
Speaker 2: many years in the making. Israel has been planning this attack,
Speaker 2: we know, for over twenty years, and it finally came
Speaker 2: to being, and very it's a familiar tale if you
Speaker 2: follow Israel. It's being compared to the opening attack of
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty seven war. And what happened then was
Speaker 2: you had this three week period. It was known to
Speaker 2: Israelis as the ham Tanah, meaning the waiting period, three
Speaker 2: weeks of just nerve shattering, waiting, when the Arab armies
Speaker 2: all massed at the border, the Israelis tried everything, everything
Speaker 2: to find a diplomatic way out, and when it became
Speaker 2: clear that there just wasn't one, they struck. And that's
Speaker 2: what happened this time, only the ham Tanah. The waiting
Speaker 2: was not three weeks, it was literally twenty years, and
Speaker 2: every avenue was attempted to bring this to some sort
Speaker 2: of peaceful end. Sadly, the Iotols just wouldn't listen to sense.
Speaker 2: President Trump told them sixty days ago on April the twelfth,
Speaker 2: you got sixty more days. Is will struck on the
Speaker 2: sixty first day. It's pretty clear that they saw it again.
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Nintendo gave a press conference last night. He said,
Speaker 2: we saw they were finally reaching for the bomb itself.
Speaker 2: That you no, it's not research, it's not in Richmond.
Speaker 2: They're actually making a bomb, and this is it. We
Speaker 2: just we couldn't wait any longer. So here we are.
Speaker 2: I could just make one other point. The reason this
Speaker 2: is also so historic and it will be talked about
Speaker 2: for a long time is once again Israel is demonstrating
Speaker 2: the complete superiority of Western technology over anything that Iran
Speaker 2: or Russia or probably China might have. Everyone around the
Speaker 2: world is watching this with their jaw dropped. They were
Speaker 2: talking about a situation where, well, go back to sixty seven.
Speaker 2: They have this incredibly successful opening strike destroyed all the
Speaker 2: air of air forces on the ground. What a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't know is in that attack, Israel lost
Speaker 2: ten percent of all its planes. Now it didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: they still on the war because the ADS no longer
Speaker 2: had air forces, but they took terrible losses. They lost
Speaker 2: ten percent of the whole air force in this strike.
Speaker 2: Right now, they are flying back and forth one thousand
Speaker 2: miles in each direction. They've wiped out Iran's air defense completely.
Speaker 2: They've wiped out much of their leadership, the head of
Speaker 2: the Revolutionary Guard, They've wiped out much of their nuclear ASCID,
Speaker 2: that's many of their military assets, whatever air force they had.
Speaker 2: They've flown all the way back to Israel. They've done
Speaker 2: it wave after wave after wave, and they haven't lost
Speaker 2: a single plane. They can literally fly in and out
Speaker 2: of Iran at will, the way you know, you or
Speaker 2: I fly from New York to Chicago. It is astonishing.
Speaker 2: I mean it is unbelievable the technology, and you know
Speaker 2: Iran is going to respond with missiles somehow, but they've
Speaker 2: done this twice. They did it in April last year,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, they did it in October, same thing.
Speaker 2: Not one Israeli was killed. It's miraculous they've achieved almost
Speaker 2: one hundred percent interception of all this ordinance Israel. Go
Speaker 2: back to the April attack Iran, we now know fired
Speaker 2: thirty cruise missiles, one hundred ballistic missiles, and hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of brons. We don't even know how many. This
Speaker 2: is the biggest missile attack ever launched against any country
Speaker 2: in history. Israel shotdown pretty much all of that. They
Speaker 2: took one little girl who was unfortunately wounded, but that's it.
Speaker 2: Nobody was killed and there was no physical damage to
Speaker 2: the country. They think they blew a little hole in
Speaker 2: an airbase somewhere. This is mind blowing. No one expected
Speaker 2: it to be the technology to work this well. If
Speaker 2: you're Russia, if you're China, you've got to be watching
Speaker 2: this and saying, wait a minute, you know, maybe we're
Speaker 2: not as strong as we thought we were. And that
Speaker 2: really shows why Israel is such a valuable ally and professor.
Speaker 1: Going back historically, the same thing happened in Baghdad when
Speaker 1: Sadim Mussein was in charge. Israel said not on my watch,
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a nuclear weapon. They took
Speaker 1: down the nuclear facilities in Baghdad. Same thing in Syria.
Speaker 1: Syria under Asad wanted to have nuclear weapons as a
Speaker 1: trump card against Israel I guess against US. Took that down.
Speaker 1: But wasn't it a fool's Errand to believe that the Ayatola,
Speaker 1: which is a culture of death, not a culture of life,
Speaker 1: that they were willingly allow international inspections by Americans and
Speaker 1: others to guarantee they're not going to have weapons grade
Speaker 1: uranium to marry with a with a with a missile.
Speaker 1: But wasn't it kind of a fool's er? And to
Speaker 1: think that Iran would go the route of other nations.
Speaker 1: For example, they look at what happened into Libya when
Speaker 1: Moumark Cadeffi gave up his WMD within a year and
Speaker 1: a half, he was in a ditch somewhere fighting for
Speaker 1: his life. And when Baghdad fell, look at the uh
Speaker 1: look at the killing by hanging of Sodom Hussein. And
Speaker 1: so the eye had told us et cetera, are thinking,
Speaker 1: you know what, we have to have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1: If we don't have a nuclear weapon, we're going to
Speaker 1: face the same fate as Sodom Hussein.
Speaker 2: It's even worse than that. I mean, it's all those
Speaker 2: things that you said are obviously true, but it's even
Speaker 2: worse than that. If I were to say to you,
Speaker 2: it literally goes down to the very culture itself. If
Speaker 2: I were to say to you, what is the purpose
Speaker 2: of government, you'd say, the purpose of government, it's it's
Speaker 2: to improve the lives of the citizenry. And then you
Speaker 2: might say, without a trick question, I mean, isn't that obvious. Well,
Speaker 2: it's obvious to us, but if not so obvious to them.
Speaker 2: If you ask the Ayatolas, what is the purpose of government,
Speaker 2: they would say, oh, simple, it's to spread radical Islam.
Speaker 2: It's to create a shi It Talifate and kill anyone
Speaker 2: in our path. Ayatolaholmani once famously said the revolution was
Speaker 2: not about the price of watermelons. He also said economics
Speaker 2: is for donkeys, and when he meant by that was
Speaker 2: My job is not to make this country prosperous. My
Speaker 2: job is to spread radical Islam, no matter what it takes.
Speaker 2: And that is why you look at Iran it is
Speaker 2: a nation with thirty percent unemployment, forty percent inflation. They've
Speaker 2: got rolling blackouts, they can't keep the lights on. And
Speaker 2: here they are sending billions of dollars to the WHO
Speaker 2: these and billions to Hesbalon, billions to Kamas, billions on
Speaker 2: this crazy nuclear program. It is estimated that they lost
Speaker 2: a fifty billion dollar investment just on the proxies that
Speaker 2: were taken off the board. By now they're losing their
Speaker 2: nuclear asseis and yet they keep sending all this money.
Speaker 2: Why do they keep doing it? Answer because the most
Speaker 2: important thing to them is spreading radical Islam. And so
Speaker 2: now a nation like that that gets a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 2: that is a very very dangerous world.
Speaker 1: In fact, Israel would be first, we'd be second. And
Speaker 1: so I cheer on the Israelis to do our bidding
Speaker 1: in a sense because having visited Israel about two and
Speaker 1: a half years ago, it was a wonderful Western style democracy.
Speaker 1: In fact, Urik Kaufman, I saw gay pride flags in
Speaker 1: Tel Aviv, and I'm thinking, well, I wonder how that
Speaker 1: would work in many Muslim capitals. It would not work.
Speaker 1: And so the idea that the Iotolas now would step
Speaker 1: aside and say, you know what, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 1: give up all our nuclear weapons. Let's have a functioning
Speaker 1: Western style democracy. Let's give our citizens a little bit
Speaker 1: of freedom. We're going to get rid of the death
Speaker 1: cult that calls for the killing, the murder of Westerners, Christians, Catholics,
Speaker 1: the Baptists, the Jews, wherever they might be located. That
Speaker 1: was never going to happen. I can't conceive without occurring.
Speaker 1: And if you're an Iranian, let's say you're a typical
Speaker 1: Iranian living somewhere somewhere in Tehran and you're watching this
Speaker 1: going on, can you get in the mind of the
Speaker 1: Iranian people and talk about whether or not they want
Speaker 1: to continue down this path.
Speaker 2: So polling on Iran is a very very tricky piece
Speaker 2: of business, as it is in any totalitarian society. I mean,
Speaker 2: imagine you living in a country like that and some
Speaker 2: guy calls you on the phone and wants to know
Speaker 2: what you think of the regime. You know, you're probably
Speaker 2: not gonna be all that open in your answers. Now,
Speaker 2: we do know Iran has a lot of minorities, first
Speaker 2: of all, so it's not, you know, a homogeneous country.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of the Yazidi's, You've got a
Speaker 2: lot of Baha's, You've got a lot of other minorities
Speaker 2: who don't believe in any of this nonsense. We also
Speaker 2: know that there is a cosmopolitan culture centered mostly in Kirat. Now,
Speaker 2: having said that, there's also a culture. You go to
Speaker 2: the religious city, the place like kom or Isfahan, you've
Speaker 2: got a lot of very, very very iradical people. The
Speaker 2: rumblings from the streets suggest there's a big opposition movement there.
Speaker 2: It perks its head up every couple of years. It
Speaker 2: came up in two thousand and nine, it bubbled up
Speaker 2: a few years ago as well. Each time the Iotolas
Speaker 2: have been able to put it down. These things are very,
Speaker 2: very very hard to gauge from the outside. All I
Speaker 2: can say is revolutions are always the same. They look
Speaker 2: impossible before they happen, and they look inevitable after they happen.
Speaker 2: You know where we stand with Iran on this, We
Speaker 2: don't really know. But one thing I can say, we
Speaker 2: can't afford to sit back and hope the Iranian people
Speaker 2: solve this problem for us, because the odds are better
Speaker 2: than pretty good that they won't, and a world again
Speaker 2: in which iotolas have nuclear weapons is a very dangerous world.
Speaker 2: And again not just for Israel, but for the United
Speaker 2: States as well. They chance, you know, Israel is the
Speaker 2: little Satan, but we're the big Satan, and we know
Speaker 2: what they want to do with the big Satan. So
Speaker 2: this just shows how Israel is such a terrific ally,
Speaker 2: it's a force multiplier. They do a lot of the
Speaker 2: dirty work that we would otherwise have to do. As
Speaker 2: we said, they took out Sodom's reactor, they took out
Speaker 2: Bashar's reactor. They've done so many other things over the years.
Speaker 2: It really shows what an important ally Israel is.
Speaker 1: I would like to think a few weeks ago, when
Speaker 1: President Trump visited the more functional parts of Islamic republics
Speaker 1: in the cutter in Saudi Arabia, et cetera, that he
Speaker 1: got a wink and a nod approval from MBS in
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, Mama ben Salmon that what israe and you
Speaker 1: were going to do? Just have at it describe the
Speaker 1: relationship between the more functional golf states and Iran.
Speaker 2: They're terrified. It's really as simple as that, because they
Speaker 2: know they are of course Shuni Muslim Irani's Shiite Muslim
Speaker 2: The Iranians want nothing more than to conquer Mecca, to
Speaker 2: kill the Sunnis and turn it as into the capital
Speaker 2: of a Shiai talipate as opposed to where it is
Speaker 2: now in sunny hands. The Saudis are delighted by this.
Speaker 2: They issued, you know, a very very bland statement condemning it,
Speaker 2: as did Cutter, as did a number of other countries.
Speaker 2: But it's obvious they're delighted that this happened because they
Speaker 2: know that they're being rescued just as readily as Israel
Speaker 2: as being rescued now. At the same time, they also
Speaker 2: know that it is possible that when Iran retaliates, and
Speaker 2: it will, they might retaliate against Saudi Arabia. Now why
Speaker 2: would they do that, Well, it's just the kind of
Speaker 2: way of saying, you know, if we're miserable, we're gonna
Speaker 2: make everybody miserable. We want the price of oil to
Speaker 2: be high, we want to hurt the West. So it
Speaker 2: really is just important that the United States stay involved
Speaker 2: and help defend the Saudi oil fields. We certainly have
Speaker 2: an interest there, and we have an interest in defending
Speaker 2: our allies in the region. And you know, Bahrain and
Speaker 2: Qatar definitely cutter is a very very stray situation. You know,
Speaker 2: they put a chip on every color on the board,
Speaker 2: so you know, they're kind of in our camp, but
Speaker 2: they're in the other camp as well. But we do
Speaker 2: have a very large air base there, so that's the
Speaker 2: country that we need to defend.
Speaker 1: Lastly, should Americans on the homeland be concerned? According to
Speaker 1: media accounts, there's thousands of Islamic terrorists led across the
Speaker 1: southern border by Joe Biden all over the country unvetted.
Speaker 1: Who are they were that we have no idea. Ten
Speaker 1: to twelve million came in unvetted. Another ten million came
Speaker 1: in so called vetted. Should we be concerned about homegrown
Speaker 1: terrorism right here?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you're rod it's going to try
Speaker 2: to pick a fight with the US right now, So
Speaker 2: in that sense, I would say the answer is no.
Speaker 2: What I find more disturbing is just the fact that
Speaker 2: there seemed to be a lot of people, and very
Speaker 2: often young people who just on their own are inspired
Speaker 2: by these crazy radicalismss. And you know, we saw what
Speaker 2: happened that the murder of those two young Israeli diplomats
Speaker 2: in DC. Not that long ago. There's been a lot
Speaker 2: of other I mean physical attacks on people. You know,
Speaker 2: it is a little scary, I mean something like this,
Speaker 2: I would certainly be vigilant. Am I really alarmed by it?
Speaker 2: The answer is no, I am not. Well.
Speaker 1: Lastly, of course, Jews are set on fire. We have
Speaker 1: Jews being gunned down in our nation's cap but you
Speaker 1: have the democratic Jewish governor of Pennsylvania had his home firebomb.
Speaker 1: For God's sakes, and incredible stuff happening. I just I
Speaker 1: pray to God Israel is successful. Their success is to
Speaker 1: our betterment. Their failure would be awful. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: a world in which Israel's wiped off the face of
Speaker 1: the earth and somehow Iran then spreads its tentacles. They
Speaker 1: are a culture of death who want to destroy not
Speaker 1: one of life. But once again, you're a Kaufman, professor.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens down the road. But the book is
Speaker 1: American Intafada, Israel, the Gaza War, and the New Anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: But once again, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Professor,
Speaker 1: Thank you very.
Speaker 2: Much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: God bless America. Let's continue with more. And there are
Speaker 1: useful idiots all over this country who act as if
Speaker 1: there's some union between American freedom on one hand and
Speaker 1: the Palestinian calls on the other, and that somehow the
Speaker 1: Gaza war is something that we should not be involved
Speaker 1: in because it doesn't involve does in this sense. It's
Speaker 1: a failure of our public education. And we have to
Speaker 1: understand the world as it is not the way the
Speaker 1: world we'd like it to be. How strong are the
Speaker 1: Israelis for the Israelis in Tel Aviv to organize, unbeknownst
Speaker 1: to the Iranian generals, a powwow of their joint chiefs
Speaker 1: of staff in one place, and they're getting together in
Speaker 1: near Tehran, Iran thinking the eye Tota wanted to have
Speaker 1: a powwow with him, but the Israeli sit up the meeting.
Speaker 1: Then they had the Israeli send a missile and kill
Speaker 1: them all together at once. Is incredible. They now know
Speaker 1: they can't pick up a cell phone, they can't use
Speaker 1: a pager, they can't turn on the television sets, they
Speaker 1: don't want to use the air conditioners. In other words,
Speaker 1: they can't communicate, and they can't meet. Now, that's a
Speaker 1: problem when you're trying to conduct a war. Let's continue
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