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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY, Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Madison. As we move into a Friday evening,

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<v Speaker 2>it is Friday, February twenty first, and this is our

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's the third Friday of the month. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at the calendar here. No, it's the Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the third Friday of the month. We only have

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<v Speaker 2>one more. So a week from tonight we will be

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<v Speaker 2>beginning the celebration at Ramadan at sundown. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>on this a week from tonight, and then the next

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<v Speaker 2>day we'll be March. Good evening everybody. My name is

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray, and I am ready to take you all

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<v Speaker 2>the way almost a Saturday morning. Rob Brooks back in

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<v Speaker 2>the control room. He is responsible for getting all of

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<v Speaker 2>you on the line when you want to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>me or a guest, and we will start off with

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting guest at nine o'clock, doctor John Friedman, a

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<v Speaker 2>healthcare expert. We're going to discuss the layoffs at Mass

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<v Speaker 2>General Brigham. That was a huge story. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge story. We'll also talk at ten o'clock about the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration one month in office. They basically have one

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<v Speaker 2>month in the book and it has been a wild month,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the question is how are the Democrats going

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<v Speaker 2>to get their footing? They get their political footing against

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<v Speaker 2>everything that Donald Trump is trying to do, and he

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<v Speaker 2>does not let up. The pace has been immense. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll have a twenty eighth hour tonight. Haven't figured

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<v Speaker 2>out the topic yet, but I'm sure it'll be fun,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. We have four really interesting guests on

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<v Speaker 2>four fairly interesting topics coming up during this hour, and

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<v Speaker 2>we will start off by talking about this soon to

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<v Speaker 2>be open, well not soon in the sense of next week,

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<v Speaker 2>but we will have Boston's first Holocaust museum here and

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<v Speaker 2>it will open across from the Freedom Trail in the

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<v Speaker 2>fall of twenty twenty six, so it's a year and

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<v Speaker 2>a half away. With us is Jody Kipnis. She is

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<v Speaker 2>the co founder CEO of the Holocaust Museum. Jody, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Night's How are you this evening great?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine. I hope that you can give us

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of background in terms of how did

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston's first Holocaust museum. We've never had a Holocaust museum,

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<v Speaker 2>and the best of my knowledge, how is this coming

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<v Speaker 2>to pass. What give us a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 2>background on this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no problem, I'd be happy to. So it was

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<v Speaker 3>back in really started back in twenty eighteen. I traveled

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<v Speaker 3>to Poland with my partner Todd Ruderman, and a Holocaust

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<v Speaker 3>survivor and it was my first journey and it was

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<v Speaker 3>Todd's second journey to Poland. And it was really on

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<v Speaker 3>the grounds of Auschwitz when we stood in front of

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<v Speaker 3>his bunker, and when you travel with a Holocaust survivor

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<v Speaker 3>to Aushwitz and somebody who has survived Aswitz, it really

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<v Speaker 3>was very act full for us. And you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>gave us a little bit of a challenge by saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, now that you've heard my story, what are

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<v Speaker 3>you going to do? We never thought Holocaust museum at

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<v Speaker 3>all much. We never would have thought something on that scale.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, when we came back, we started the

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<v Speaker 3>Holocaust Legacy Foundation, and one year later we were taking

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen teams away to Poland on a very similar trip

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<v Speaker 3>and experience that we were on. And then it was

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<v Speaker 3>really you know, COVID the next year we couldn't travel

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<v Speaker 3>with this fellowship that we had started. It shut it down,

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<v Speaker 3>and we thought to ourselves. How can we make a

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<v Speaker 3>much bigger impact and reach a much broader audience. And

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<v Speaker 3>we really thought about, you know, a Holocaust museum or

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<v Speaker 3>a center. And you know then we well, Boston must

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<v Speaker 3>have one, and you know they have what we had

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<v Speaker 3>a World War Two museum in Natick. I know there's

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<v Speaker 3>one in Hudson. But you know what we started to

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<v Speaker 3>think about was why not Holocaust a museum that's dedicated

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<v Speaker 3>just to the Holocaust and Holocaust education. So we came

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<v Speaker 3>up with this crazy, crazy, big idea. And here we are,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, building a museum on the right across the

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<v Speaker 3>street from the Freedom Trail.

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<v Speaker 2>So where exactly when we think of the Freedom Trail

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<v Speaker 2>is it's so long, where will the museum be located?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly precisely?

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll tell you a museum is located diagonally across

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<v Speaker 3>or will be located diagonally across from the Park Street church,

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<v Speaker 3>and our neighbors are Usuffolk Law. And from the museum,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're inside the museum in the first exhibit, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>have a straight shoot right to the State House.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, sure, No, I picture it very well. I was

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<v Speaker 2>in Auschwitz. I visited Auschwitz in the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven, and it left an incredible lasting memory of

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<v Speaker 2>me and I have still specific remembrances of locations. And

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think when we think of museums, oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>we think that there will be some artifacts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>besides pictures, I guess, and maybe videos and interviews with

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<v Speaker 2>some of the survivors. And I know that some of

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<v Speaker 2>that has been done. I think sixty minutes to a

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<v Speaker 2>piece with some of the survivors where they have answered

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<v Speaker 2>questions and been interviewed and they have it so it's

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<v Speaker 2>an interactive opportunity where even though the survivors have now

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<v Speaker 2>maybe or in many cases have passed, people can actually

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<v Speaker 2>stand and ask questions of the survivors, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>through the miracle of videotape, actually feel as if they're

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<v Speaker 2>having a conversation. Are you familiar with that sixty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>report of a few years ago that was done so well?

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<v Speaker 3>I am, and I'm really glad that you brought that up,

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<v Speaker 3>because we are actually bringing that experience to Boston. It's

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<v Speaker 3>dimensions and testimony. We're partnered with the usc show A Foundation,

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<v Speaker 3>and we actually spent a week filming the survivor that

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<v Speaker 3>inspired us to do something around Holocaust education. And because

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<v Speaker 3>of our partnership, we will also have the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>have other survivors within this hologram type experience. And also

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<v Speaker 3>there's a liberator as well, so they'll be hearing from

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<v Speaker 3>both sides. So yeah, we'll have a be about a

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<v Speaker 3>fifty sixty person theater and we'll show a three to

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<v Speaker 3>four minute film telling about the stories, showing where they

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<v Speaker 3>grew up, talking about how they survived, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>visitor will have the opportunity to directly ask a question

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<v Speaker 3>to a Holocaust survivor. So if you think about when

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<v Speaker 3>they brought Michael Jackson back to life with those holograms,

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly what you will see. It won't be a

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<v Speaker 3>TV screen, there will be It will almost feel so real,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see. I think most people realize what holograms are.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a there's one hologram that I saw in which

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<v Speaker 2>Elvis Presley sings and he sings a duet with Celine Dion,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course they never stood on stage together. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen that, or anyone who's seen that, you realize

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<v Speaker 2>what can be done with videotaping with holograms, and to

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<v Speaker 2>think that it will be able to sort of bring

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<v Speaker 2>the Holocaust, the story of the Holocaust to such vibrancies,

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<v Speaker 2>to such life. It's going to be for generations to come.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that is for sure. How can folks get in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with your organization? I'm sure there are people out

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<v Speaker 2>there who would like to get involved, maybe like to

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<v Speaker 2>support what's the Everyone has a website, so so how.

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<v Speaker 3>You Yeah, folks would like to learn more about how

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<v Speaker 3>they can contribute, get along or even receive our newsletter

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<v Speaker 3>updates that will be coming available soon. They just have

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<v Speaker 3>to go to our website and that's www. Holocaust Legacyfoundation

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<v Speaker 3>dot org. Or if they can't remember that, it's www.

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<v Speaker 3>Holocaust Museum Boston dot org and it will bring them

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<v Speaker 3>to the same place. They can also follow the Holocaust

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<v Speaker 3>Museum Boston on Facebook and on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, well, Judy, thanks so much for sharing with

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<v Speaker 2>us tonight. This is such an important development that it's

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<v Speaker 2>something the city of Boston will treasure, I'm sure for

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<v Speaker 2>generations to come. And thanks for your work on this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you, and thank you for having all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we get back. We're going to talk about sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an interesting question, and that is there's a study

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<v Speaker 2>out that shows some people when they get into relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>they're hiding death from the hiding debt, debt, how much

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<v Speaker 2>they're in debt from their partners. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk with an expert about why that is something that

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<v Speaker 2>is occurring and why it probably is not a necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>good thing. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a Friday night talking about some more serious subjects tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll lighten up a little bit later on, that's for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but right now we'll take a quick break of me

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside in just a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to welcome Adriana okanyas Adrian and welcome to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you hi, Dan, I'm doing well.

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<v Speaker 5>How are you go?

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<v Speaker 2>Assume? A credit card analyst at US News and World

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<v Speaker 2>Report and PARL, you did a survey or you did

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<v Speaker 2>a survey in conjunction with US News and World Report,

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<v Speaker 2>which found that there is what's called financial infidelity common

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<v Speaker 2>among younger generations that almost thirty seven percent report that

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<v Speaker 2>their partner hid debt debt from them. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that boggles my mind. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>surprised you are at it, but it's astonishing to me

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<v Speaker 2>that you ended that you end up in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>a serious relationship, and you not have and you have

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<v Speaker 2>not done sort of a done in Bradstreet on one

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<v Speaker 2>another if you get my drinks right right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, No, that was very surprising what we found out

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<v Speaker 5>that when we conducted the survey, we found out that

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<v Speaker 5>financial infidelity was really common in younger couples. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty nine percent of respondents were between the ages of

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<v Speaker 5>eighteen and twenty five when the financial infidelity occurred, and

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<v Speaker 5>almost half were actually married.

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<v Speaker 6>At the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously we're talking about hiding debt. Is it mostly

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<v Speaker 2>college debt or is it? I mean, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>have so much debt that your partner probably has never

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<v Speaker 2>even acquired and said, oh, by the way, how much

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<v Speaker 2>of that four year college degree and the graduate program

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<v Speaker 2>you're in now studying you know, sociology amongst the early

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<v Speaker 2>inc is costing you.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I mean it's an expensive class. Dwn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I guess it is. I yes, the trips to

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico US run up along. So what sort of debt

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<v Speaker 2>it's being hidden here? I hope it's not like debt

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<v Speaker 2>from either a gambling problem or a drug problem. I

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<v Speaker 2>assume this is legitimate debt that individuals have occurred.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, this is legitimate debt. And we did find out that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, one of the most common signs of the

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<v Speaker 5>financial fadelity is when the partner was hiding, hiding those

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<v Speaker 5>statements or those collections, you know, from those hidden accounts,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and many victims of the financial and fabelity

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<v Speaker 5>didn't even know it was happening until it was too late,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, And in hindsight, you know, the red flags

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<v Speaker 5>are there a lot of the time, you know, unusual spending,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, avoiding those money talks that you need to

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<v Speaker 5>have with your partner. And we actually asked respondents as well,

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<v Speaker 5>like what were some signs that you noticed specifically in

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<v Speaker 5>your relationships, And several respondents said that they noticed that

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<v Speaker 5>their partner was acting strange, distant. Another one said that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it was a complete shock to them. That

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<v Speaker 5>was actually a very common response that we found that

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<v Speaker 5>so many respondents didn't know what was happening until it

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, did you quantify? Again? I must tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>But actually it's sometimes it's an advantage for me to

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<v Speaker 2>Did you quantify at all? How much debt? I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>We were not able to be able to pinpoint the

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<v Speaker 5>exact amounts of the debt, but we did find that

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<v Speaker 5>when the financial infidelity occurred. So it's not huge amounts

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<v Speaker 5>of like ten twenty thousand, but it is it is

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<v Speaker 5>a large amount, you know. And when respondents were asked like, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>well when it comes to debt like this, like what

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<v Speaker 5>them said that, you know, what it led to either

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<v Speaker 2>So this, this is a commitment breaker. This, this is

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<v Speaker 5>We found out that almost half of respondence said that,

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<v Speaker 5>combined sixty four percent said that the financial instidelity was

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<v Speaker 5>just as upsetting or even more upsetting than romantic fidelity.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what percent? And again I don't know the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the answer this question when you referred

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<v Speaker 2>to partner's partners in this nage has a much broader

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<v Speaker 2>definition than it once did. So what percentage of these

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<v Speaker 2>folks were actually you know, married or you know or

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<v Speaker 2>are well effectually mostly but there's probably not a lot

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<v Speaker 5>We found out that as far as like the relationship status,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the inner relationships ones you can walk away

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<v Speaker 2>from those a little more easily than you can from

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a uh within those groups? So subsets? Were

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<v Speaker 2>financial infidelity as as folks who were just simply dating

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<v Speaker 2>or are they all sort of similar in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>We found that it was a little similar across the board.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we wanted to make sure that we surveyed

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<v Speaker 5>only victims of financial to deli and wanted to see

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<v Speaker 5>what their relationships were like at the time that the

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<v Speaker 5>That's how long they were together when the financial fidelity occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk to psychologists or whatever, but at what point

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<v Speaker 2>would would would the experts advise that if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>that if they haven't sort of told you what their

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<v Speaker 2>financial circumstances are, and if you tend not to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you really believe what their financial circumstances are, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you at what point do you approach the subject?

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<v Speaker 2>And how are you sure that you're getting the full

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<v Speaker 2>the full explanation, you know, all the good, the bad,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, this is one yeah, right, no, I asked,

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<v Speaker 5>You know, have like a money date where you.

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<v Speaker 6>Sit down and you kind of lay it all out

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<v Speaker 6>and explain what's going on with your finances, because you know,

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<v Speaker 6>relationships can get messy. You know, you're co mingling, you're

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<v Speaker 6>you're open and honest with one another. You know. We

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<v Speaker 6>found that one of the most common reasons for the

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<v Speaker 6>financial and fidelity was that the perpetrator felt like they

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<v Speaker 6>had no control over their finances. They just kind of

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<v Speaker 6>felt that they needed to feel more in control financially,

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<v Speaker 6>and the way that they did that was by lying

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's tough. Not a great way to start a relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. How can folks find the article most easily? So,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure people are going to be interested in reading it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the best way to get to find the piece?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, so if they just head on over to money do.

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<v Speaker 7>Us news dot com, they'll be fine able to find

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<v Speaker 7>the say, along with a lot of other amazing advice

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<v Speaker 7>articles that we have, you know, specifically around uh finance,

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<v Speaker 7>credit cards, and and everything else that anyone can be

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<v Speaker 2>So Money dot US News and World Report dot com.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Money dot US news dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh great, making it simple money dot us Yes dot com. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, Adriana, Thank you very much. You've You've

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<v Speaker 2>answered a lot of questions. I. We don't prescript these interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>as people realize and as they say, I sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't chance to read every one of these as

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<v Speaker 2>gotten the information as much information out if I if

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<v Speaker 2>I had read this article. This is fascinating. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for joining us, LUI.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's keep in touch.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Adriana, Thanks Bie, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>We get back. This is also somewhat concerned, if it

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<v Speaker 2>concerning if you work, bosses are keeping closer tabs on

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<v Speaker 2>their employees than ever. We're going to talk with Betsy

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Manning. She's a leadership expert and a keynote speaker

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<v Speaker 2>and owner and CEO of Destination Workplace. If you are

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<v Speaker 2>an employee, you need to stick with us right after

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<v Speaker 2>the news and we will explain it all. This is an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting article out of business inside or coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure a lot of you on this Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night are at the end of a work week and

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<v Speaker 2>you say I got the weekend. Well, let me give

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<v Speaker 2>you something else to worry about. My guest is Betsy

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Manning. She's a leadership expert, an author, and a

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<v Speaker 2>of Destination Workplace. Betsy Alan Manning, Welcome to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that bosses are keeping tabs on people like me,

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<v Speaker 2>employees now more than ever. What's going on this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is an article that appeared in Business Insider that

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<v Speaker 2>we're referring to. What's going on, Betsy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, employee surveillance is at an all times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a horrible word. Employee surveillance.

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<v Speaker 4>What it's called, Yeah, it's yeah. And the thing question

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<v Speaker 4>we kind of need to be asking is our companies

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<v Speaker 4>keeping people accountable or just keeping them paranoid at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>Just remember this, Betsy, Betsy, you're not paranoid if they're

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<v Speaker 2>really after you, You know that, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, that's true. That's true now that we've had Since

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<v Speaker 4>since twenty twenty, the demand for employee surveillance software grew

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<v Speaker 4>fifty four percent and it's getting bigger from there. Whopping

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<v Speaker 4>Seventy three percent of employers use recorded calls, emails, messages,

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<v Speaker 4>and performance reviews, and thirty seven percent have actually used

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<v Speaker 4>recordings to fire someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, so you're saying that if you are on

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<v Speaker 2>realize that you're told that. Okay, you know your privacy

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<v Speaker 2>is not what it is when you're at home. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>understands that. But if you're in a company phone, they

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<v Speaker 2>can listen to your conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>They can listen in, they can track your calls, they

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<v Speaker 4>can track your especially when you are working on your computer.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're a remote or hybrid role, they can track

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<v Speaker 4>your keystrokes on your computer. They can track your mouth,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's moving or not. This is when we say this,

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<v Speaker 4>this software is rising. It is a new micromanagement tool.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about big brother, this is big uncle or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, well, I can I get it. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>How many people do you have to have to follow

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<v Speaker 2>what one hundred people are doing a thousand people or

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand people. I've hit people in companies now who

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<v Speaker 2>are actually hired and are working as spies on their

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<v Speaker 2>as far as we've gone, we're going.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what did Hunger Games call them tracker jackers? I

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, No, they're actually a lot of It is

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<v Speaker 4>a software tool that will track Most companies are using

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<v Speaker 4>to know how productive they're being. They So what I said,

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<v Speaker 4>actually on those calls. That they're software that can track

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<v Speaker 4>what's funny about this is employees are getting around it

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<v Speaker 4>by using fake work software. So we've got we've got

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<v Speaker 4>both software coming up. Bosses use the technology to track productivity.

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<v Speaker 4>Employees are using technology to fake productivity. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>I speak for myself. I have a setup work remotely.

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<v Speaker 2>and have kept a really distinct separation between anything that's

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<v Speaker 2>so if I have to deal with anything that's personal

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<v Speaker 2>or that that's on that, anything else is on the

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<v Speaker 2>company at the same time. On my desktop I have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in my job, one of the things I

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<v Speaker 2>have to do is scan newspapers and scan news stories

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that. I do a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on my personal computer, simply because it's easier. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a you know, a subscription to the Boston Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>but a subscription to the Boston Herald. So when I

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<v Speaker 2>do that, when I'm actually working on my personal desktop, computer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to get credit for that on my

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<v Speaker 2>lapaptop because I'm not doing it on the company laptop.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Not a Big Brothers watching you, you won't get credit

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<v Speaker 4>for it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want They'd brother watching me on my

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<v Speaker 2>personal I mean, you know, I don't want I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want big brother or big uncle watching me anywhere. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, I think you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>smart enough to know that. And you know, I am

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<v Speaker 2>not a gambler, but if you're gambling folks, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on football games, and you're using your company's computer to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, you are leaving yourself open to being I

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<v Speaker 2>think called on the carpet, yes or no.

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<v Speaker 4>Betsy, Oh absolutely well. And now if they're using software

446
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<v Speaker 4>now legally they need to less you know that they

447
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<v Speaker 4>are installing the software. That's why employees have come up

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<v Speaker 4>with these that fake work software that they can use

449
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<v Speaker 4>in return. So, uh, you know, I think this is

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, I think it's a little unethical as

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<v Speaker 4>second of all, it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>A little, yes, a little. That's like being a little

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<v Speaker 2>pregnant ethical. You're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>I can see when we were when we went fully remote.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, at first, employers were saying, well are people

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<v Speaker 4>really working? And well are they getting results? You have

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<v Speaker 4>to ask yourself that are we paying them, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the full pay that they were getting before, but they're

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<v Speaker 4>taking more time off. Who cares? If they're getting the

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<v Speaker 4>results that need they need to get For you, that's

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<v Speaker 4>me all that matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I agree with you. And uh, look, most employees,

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<v Speaker 2>most employees, you you can track work product. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see a problem with tracking work product, whether or if

466
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<v Speaker 2>you're a salesperson, what your sales revenue looks like if

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<v Speaker 2>if you look I'm a talk show host, you know,

468
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<v Speaker 2>go go look at my ratings or whatever. What. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is pretty scary stuff. Have there been any major

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuits because I'm I'm not familiar with any, particularly by

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<v Speaker 2>unions who represent workers. Uh, and that that that the

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<v Speaker 2>unions have our hip to this and are and are

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<v Speaker 2>snapping back at the corporations assuming that somebody who's employed

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<v Speaker 2>as a union worker as opposed to you know, an

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<v Speaker 2>independent contractor or not not affiliated with the union. Are

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<v Speaker 2>the unions jumping back at this.

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<v Speaker 4>Or No, I'm unaware of that at this time. But

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<v Speaker 4>what I do know is that they're losing people because

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<v Speaker 4>of the surveillance. So I'm not I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 4>they're if they're ssuing people, if the unions are fighting

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<v Speaker 4>against this, it's more about the people that they're losing

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<v Speaker 4>because of putting the surveillance into play. And research is

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<v Speaker 4>showing that high trust workplaces outperform low trust workplaces. They

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<v Speaker 4>up to fifty percent in productivity. So this is working

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<v Speaker 4>against them anyway, if they if they knew what the

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<v Speaker 4>what the stats were, you know, and low trust workplaces

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<v Speaker 4>says have higher turn rates as well, So this makes

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<v Speaker 4>perfect sense. If you treat people like they can't be trusted,

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<v Speaker 4>you shouldn't be surprised when they leave or when they

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<v Speaker 4>show you that they're not trustworthy, because you're micromanaging them

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<v Speaker 4>the entire time. No one likes to be micromanaged.

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<v Speaker 2>You could say that again, sister, I totally hear you

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<v Speaker 2>that one, Betsy. I really enjoyed this conversation. You have fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also something that I knew very little about, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's great that you guys are out there

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<v Speaker 2>looking at this. And if folks want to read the article,

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<v Speaker 2>just go. I assume to Business Insider and it's available.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, go read it on Business Insider. And if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to know what workplace trends are actually working right now,

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<v Speaker 4>go to destinationworkplace dot com and download the national workplace

501
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<v Speaker 4>trend study we just put out.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is a fascinating area of conversation. We'll have

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<v Speaker 2>you back in maybe we'll talk about some of that

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Your website is destinationworkplace dot com. Right, that

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<v Speaker 2>is correct, Betsy Allen Manning, thank you very much. I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed this conversation. You're a good sport, and I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to try to keep it light even when it is

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<v Speaker 2>a serious topic. And I do consider this to be

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<v Speaker 2>a serious topic. Thank you so much. Thanks for having

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<v Speaker 2>me all right, You're very welcome when we get back

511
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<v Speaker 2>on and talk about another serious topic, particularly for people

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts. There is a flu surge here in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to talk with doctor Sheila Derome. She's

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<v Speaker 2>the chief infection Control officer of Tought's Medical Medicine and

515
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<v Speaker 2>hospital epidemiologists at the Tough Medical Center. That's a mouthful.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had doctor Doron on before. We'll have her back

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<v Speaker 2>in about two minutes right after this break.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nice Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm delighted to welcome back to the night side audience,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Shirah Doerome. She's the chief infection Control Officer for

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<v Speaker 2>Tuft's Medicine and also the ho hospital epidemiologists at Tuft's

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<v Speaker 2>Medical Center, Doctor Drone. You've been with us before.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back, How are you great?

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<v Speaker 3>Great to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So, unfortunately, we're talking about a flu surge here in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking about as I understand that the good

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<v Speaker 2>old traditional winter flu that maybe some of us had

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten about what's going on.

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<v Speaker 8>That's right, we are having a doozy of a flu season.

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<v Speaker 8>What we're seeing is that our hospital admissions for influenza

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<v Speaker 8>virus are in the very high range, although this week

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<v Speaker 8>they are starting to decline very nicely, almost down to

534
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<v Speaker 8>the high range, which is better than very high. Whereas

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<v Speaker 8>our emergency department visits have gone from the very high

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<v Speaker 8>range last week, which was the first week they were

537
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<v Speaker 8>in very high range, down to the high range this week.

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<v Speaker 8>So we seem to be coming out of it, but

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<v Speaker 8>we're still in the midst of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now, I know that there's lots of stuff that's

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<v Speaker 2>going around, But when we talk about the flu, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a thing in Christmas time where I felt it

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<v Speaker 2>was well, I think it was basically my doctor said

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<v Speaker 2>eventually was bronchitis. I really, you know, had not trouble breathing,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could feel stuff in my lungs. They actually

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<v Speaker 2>sent me for a long X ray to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have pneumonia, and I had a cough that

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get rid of for about three weeks. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that the type of flu we're talking about or is

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<v Speaker 2>it a different strain that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's a great question. When we talk about the flu,

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<v Speaker 8>we are talking about a specific virus called influenza. But

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<v Speaker 8>the MASSIS is from a public colust and of course

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<v Speaker 8>the CDC and nationally they also track all acute respiratory disease.

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<v Speaker 8>So if we look at acute respiratory disease, which it

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<v Speaker 8>consists of things like flu, covid, rs V, and all

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<v Speaker 8>the other viruses out there that cause the symptoms that

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<v Speaker 8>you're describing, and we really can't distinguish based on symptoms

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<v Speaker 8>which virus it is. If you look at that we're

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<v Speaker 8>actually in a pretty normal season, but flu is a

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<v Speaker 8>bad one. Flu is a bad one and attends lots

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<v Speaker 8>of people to the hospital. This year is you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we are seeing some really serious complications, especially in infants,

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<v Speaker 8>where we're seeing some neurologic complications, and so that's why

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<v Speaker 8>our hospitals are really feeling it right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you talk about flu, are you talking about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, upper respiratory and cough or is that different.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to put it in a context here,

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<v Speaker 2>or does the flu involve more like aches and b

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<v Speaker 2>pains and temperature I did. I checked myself for COVID

571
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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times that week. I felt what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of allows you? But I didn't feel horrible. I was

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<v Speaker 2>negative on COVID and negative on the the chest X ray.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I'm finding that regard and I've recovered

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<v Speaker 2>from it. But the thing that really got me was

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<v Speaker 2>this horrific cough that you just couldn't bring anything up,

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<v Speaker 2>those symptoms of the flow. I'm just trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>here how we distinguish between one and the other, that's all.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it is hard to distinguish, and generally only a

580
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<v Speaker 8>test can distinguish, and you don't necessarily need a test

581
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<v Speaker 8>because it's not always important to make that distinction. A

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<v Speaker 8>typical true influenza infection has a sudden onset where you

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<v Speaker 8>feel like suddenly you're hit by a truck. You have aches,

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<v Speaker 8>you feel weak and fatigued, you have fever, and the

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<v Speaker 8>cough is pretty significant usually, and that cough can last

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<v Speaker 8>for six weeks. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean you're still contagious.

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<v Speaker 8>That means that there's been damaged to your airway, and

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<v Speaker 8>it's not all that uncommon then to get additional complications

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<v Speaker 8>as you're recovering, like something like a pneumonia, which is

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<v Speaker 8>the most common complication of fluid.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what caused this big spike this year? Was

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<v Speaker 2>it the fact that we were all protected from I

593
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<v Speaker 2>did my flu shot, I did my COVID shot, I

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<v Speaker 2>do all my shots. What caused it? Did we just

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<v Speaker 2>get a little overconfident and failed to get ourselves immunized

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<v Speaker 2>or was it just something that came through and we

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<v Speaker 2>now know we were going to get it no matter

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<v Speaker 2>what we did.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's probably a combination of things, and maybe none

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<v Speaker 8>of those things. You know, we have good beers and

601
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<v Speaker 8>bad years or less less bad years and bad years.

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<v Speaker 8>We are a bit less well immunized than we have

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<v Speaker 8>been in prior years. We're seeing that across all age groups.

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<v Speaker 8>There's lower uptake this year than in prior years. I'll

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<v Speaker 8>emphasize that it is not too late, because there's still

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of flu out there and there's going to

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<v Speaker 8>be for many more weeks, so people can still get

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<v Speaker 8>their shot. It may be that our vaccine this year,

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<v Speaker 8>among the people who did get it, it may not

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<v Speaker 8>be working that well. The Cleveland Clinic just put out

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<v Speaker 8>a paper looking at all their employees this season so far,

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<v Speaker 8>and they compared those that did and those that did

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<v Speaker 8>not get the shot. There was no difference in testing

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<v Speaker 8>positive for flu. So maybe we don't have a great

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<v Speaker 8>match this year. We usually don't know that until we

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<v Speaker 8>look back at the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My understanding is that last summer, when there was

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<v Speaker 2>a flu in the southern hemisphere, that was what we

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<v Speaker 2>assumed was coming this way, and that the influence of

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine then is based upon that information, and sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>analyzed properly and sometimes it's not. Is that a fear common.

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<v Speaker 8>That's right and there right now, there are kind of

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<v Speaker 8>two predominant circulating strains, and if you look at the

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<v Speaker 8>vaccine that we chose to make, the vaccine is pretty

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<v Speaker 8>good against one of the predominant strains and pretty not

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<v Speaker 8>so good against the other. So it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 8>we wouldn't be amazing efficacy against this here strength.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, my last question is if people either have been

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<v Speaker 2>vaccinated or they're going to go ahead and get vaccinated,

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<v Speaker 2>what else can we do to avoid it? Obviously, cough

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<v Speaker 2>into your elbows, I get all of that, stay away

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<v Speaker 2>from other people who are coughing. What else could people

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<v Speaker 2>do to minimize the chances that March and April will

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<v Speaker 2>bring us you know, nice spring flowers at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>but also will bring us more flu cases. What can

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<v Speaker 2>they do in addition, if they've had their shots already

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it safe.

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<v Speaker 8>It's so hard, right, I mean, most people will get

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<v Speaker 8>at least one respiratory viral infection during the winter, and

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<v Speaker 8>you can't beat yourself up about it. You can you

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<v Speaker 8>can wash your hands a lot and stay away from

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<v Speaker 8>sick people. I think you know, in addition to getting

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<v Speaker 8>all the vaccines that are recommended to you for the season,

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<v Speaker 8>you want to maintain your underlying health so that when

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<v Speaker 8>you do get a virus, you weather the storm success.

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<v Speaker 8>So making sure that you're always focusing on optimizing your

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<v Speaker 8>chronic medical conditions like heart disease and lung disease, which

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<v Speaker 8>are such huge risk factors for severe influenza complications. Making

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<v Speaker 8>sure you're eating healthy and getting exercise and getting outside

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<v Speaker 8>and managing your stress and sleeping and all those things.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, doctor Darn, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us. I know that normally you're providing us information

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<v Speaker 2>which is cautionary, and I hope people have listened because

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<v Speaker 2>there was a really a plethora of great advice that

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<v Speaker 2>you provided us tonight, and we thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>as always, and somenight the not to do this in future,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll have you on for a longer session and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get you to take some phone calls, because I

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<v Speaker 2>know that whenever whenever I have had you on, you've

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<v Speaker 2>been always a great guest, whether in short version like

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<v Speaker 2>tonight or the more long form hour version later on

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<v Speaker 2>in the broadcast. Thanks again so much for your time, really.

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<v Speaker 8>Always a pleasure. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to doctor Shira Dern, Chief Infection Control Officer, Tufts

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<v Speaker 2>Medicine and also hospital epidemiologist at the Tofts Medical Center.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we are going to talk with

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<v Speaker 2>another doctor, doctor John Freeman, about the bad news that

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<v Speaker 2>came out of mass General Brigham earlier this month, about

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<v Speaker 2>layoffs and cutbacks and what the implications are going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan Ray. This is a Friday night

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<v Speaker 2>edition of Nightside. Lots of great information for you tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have some fun later on tonight in the twentieth hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us. We're here for you all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to midnight.