WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:07.400 Oh, dear, do you know? I drove back today from Northamptonshire, 2 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:12.199 where I was judging, not in a sort of judgy way, 3 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:17.280 but in a helpful and constructive way my couple of 4 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:23.039 farms which are up for a Shuffle Countryside Awards in 5 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:27.760 the section called Nature Friendly Farming. And as I was 6 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.399 driving back and got onto the A fourteen and got 7 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:39.640 to the Cambridge Suffolk Borders, I started counting the number 8 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:45.840 of dead munk jack that are strewn on the central reservation. 9 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:53.439 And one going going. 10 00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:59.719 It headed up when I got to the junction that 11 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:05.200 I turn off to Hawley Green twenty seven I can 12 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:11.439 to just killed floated rotting eyespect my magpies just in 13 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:17.640 that section twenty seven alone, and ridiculous it is. It 14 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:22.079 is the killing fields of a dual carriageway of munk jack. 15 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.599 Well, callum, take your phone off your desk please. Whoever 16 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.439 you're being buzzed by is interrupting the dear listeners. 17 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:35.120 It's the it's the Patreon group. Okay, what are they saying? 18 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.120 How are they They're infecting our life even during the podcast, 19 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:43.680 I know, yeah, infecting, Yeah, covid. 20 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:50.359 I posted my chalkstream trout that I just cooked via 21 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.879 the magic of the Internet. I didn't cook it via 22 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:55.480 the Internet. 23 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.959 I said, your microwave it using using the five g 24 00:01:59.159 --> 00:01:59.959 router or something. 25 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.640 I've gone to sixteen now and it grew an extra 26 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:07.640 head and multiplied, so I've worked out. I think maybe 27 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:09.879 that's what Jesus did with the five thousand. 28 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:10.800 Fish Bill Gates. 29 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:16.639 I think, yeah, geah, it was good back then. 30 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.159 You're Charlie so sort of thin and waf like, even 31 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.759 though he's so tall, because you didn't have good internet 32 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:24.800 for the first part of his life so we couldn't cook. 33 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:28.360 Well, that's very true. We didn't have internet until he 34 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:32.479 was like thirteen. I mean, as listeners to countries slide. 35 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:36.400 Good time for him to discover the internet. Yes, exactly. 36 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:37.560 He's now gone blind. 37 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.840 It didn't leave his room for a week. Have you 38 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:46.479 noticed this biceps absolutely huge? 39 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:47.879 Nothing left of him. 40 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:52.400 But staring at a particularly cavacious oak tree until then. 41 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.360 Yeah, that's it. Look at the curves on that. 42 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:01.080 Yeah, just shouts down, father, You must turn the internet off. 43 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.879 Get dehydrated. 44 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:09.960 Can you get off the phone? Yeah? Do you remember 45 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:11.319 that when he used to go and sort of go 46 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:15.000 on the internet and then you sort of went, someone's 47 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.039 on the bloody phone. I mean, if he is. Quite bizarrely, 48 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.120 I'm that old now. I can remember having a phone 49 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.280 which was a party line. Had we had three digits 50 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.080 as our phone number, five nine six, that was our 51 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.000 phone number, and picking the phone up and we used 52 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.599 to have a party line. Who on that was the 53 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.879 vicar And so you'd sort of hear the vicar talking 54 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:45.960 to some recently bereaved parishioner and I was trying to 55 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.120 sort of go and ring up to chat up some girl, 56 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:53.120 or can you fuck off redvand Hopley, I'm trying to 57 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:58.080 ring up Nancy Dare here, And yeah, it was. I'm 58 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.680 sure it probably helped the poor widow through. 59 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.639 Can you imagine the moment when you actually step your 60 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:07.800 first foot into hell? And he says, well, that was 61 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.000 that was That was the first incident that we really 62 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:12.360 started taking notice. 63 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.199 All the bad things you've done, mister nigus have been 64 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.079 expected hello and. 65 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.079 They just bring out the phone book and they start 66 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.319 with AAA and just go work through. 67 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.519 Yeah, I mean then that would probably be very true 68 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.800 for actually all three of us. Is that you know, 69 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.160 if heaven and Hell exist, let's be perfectly and as 70 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:37.360 we're only heading one way. But then I often think this, 71 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.680 So you know, I've never been much of a one 72 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.759 for arguing about religion. But for most of the people 73 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:50.600 I know, who are utterly devout and wonderful sort of 74 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.519 devotees of their faith, I don't think I'd want to 75 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.720 spend eternity with them. I want to spend eternity with 76 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.720 all the wrongins who were they were heading down south, 77 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.639 So therefore, you know I'll be down there. I'll be saying, 78 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:10.120 go on, smoke exactly still, but you can still smoke 79 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:11.560 in pubs in Hell. 80 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:17.519 Yeah. Yeah, it's basically Bristol, because Bristol has is permanently 81 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.319 mid nineties, isn't it that never moves forward? 82 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.639 You know, Bristol. I think I've ever been to Bristol. 83 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:26.519 You haven't lived. 84 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:28.160 Is it as manic as they say? 85 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:29.439 I like it. 86 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:32.680 It's little full of hippies. 87 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:37.399 Yes, Krusty's lot. But then you've got all the sort 88 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:39.800 of the sword that moved out from London as well 89 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.879 to Bristol, and they sort of they're the ones with yoga, 90 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:44.600 drumming pilates. 91 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:50.759 Yeah, froom rooms like that. It was very bizarre. I 92 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.000 went to go and do a book signing in a 93 00:05:54.399 --> 00:06:00.839 lovely bookshop called Hunting Raven, which is a great anyway 94 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.920 in Froom, and I also can't afford to be there. Well, 95 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:10.680 they're a lovely bookshop and the lady who runs it 96 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:13.040 is a top last. But I also went to this 97 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.560 other place, which is an absolute as you say, moved 98 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.399 out from London for a feeling of light and space 99 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.079 and then started off some bookshop. I don't say it 100 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:26.120 because it's unfair, but he's a complete prawn. He's a 101 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:29.439 mate of that shrub salt blokes and all that, and 102 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:33.000 he's just a righteous sort of you know, I've moved 103 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:34.439 to the countryside and I'm going to tell you how 104 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:39.000 to live bloat, but I never forget Claire. And I 105 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.360 pulled up into this car park in Froom and there 106 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:47.639 was this very battered old Ford Fiesta sat there and 107 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.879 it was so battered and horrible, with fag packets sort 108 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.480 of absitely everywhere that you noticed it. And then all 109 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:55.680 of a sudden the owners came out and there was 110 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.600 this sort of couple who are arguing with one another, 111 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.839 and he just suddenly shouted across the car park at well, 112 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:08.720 you're a Spacker, and I thought this is brilliant, you know. 113 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.079 Is that an insult that sort of died out in 114 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.519 nineteen eighty two and he's still doing it, having a 115 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.439 full domestic in a car parking from well you Spacker 116 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.800 and I thought, there is got into the it, got 117 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.319 into the Fiesta and drove off with his exhaust dragged 118 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:25.920 along the Grend. 119 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.399 There's a very sort of special corner of Somerset which 120 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.879 is very much in the flatlands. Yeah, and it's you 121 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:34.319 can see a hill and you can sort of see 122 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.079 Glastonbury over there, and you can see you can see 123 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.319 the sort of the hilly bit that's sort of blurred 124 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:46.000 into becoming x more eventually, but you've got the flat bit. 125 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:50.879 It's not quite Dykes, but it's sort of British water. Yeah, 126 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:52.480 that sort of bit. But then all the way over 127 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:57.399 to Shepton Mallet, okay as well famously home of Babysham. 128 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:05.120 Really Mallet is where the as a very famous steam railway. 129 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:10.079 I believe in Shepton Mallet owns the blue Bell Line, 130 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:17.399 owned by David Shepherd, the wildlife artist. Yeah. Interesting, yes, well, 131 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:23.759 interestingly enough, the Bluebell Line, if I'm not mistaken, is 132 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:30.319 owned by David Shepherd, the wildlife artist, whose daughter Belinda 133 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:36.720 was at university with my sister, whose husband is Jeremy Hobson, 134 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:42.759 the author of countless books on many countryside things. So 135 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:43.679 there you go. 136 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.240 He's the only person I've know who's written a book 137 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:47.639 entirely about ditches. 138 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.759 Yeah, yeah, and bigling. I've got I've got a book, 139 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:55.399 his book on biagling. Here he actually is writing a 140 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.480 book I believe about Jack Deer, which you know, it 141 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:02.000 almost sounds like we're we're all organized this podcast at 142 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.639 the moment because he said, can I can I quote 143 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.759 a line from words from the hedge in in my 144 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.440 next book on Jack? I have to say authors like 145 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:17.480 him I am hugely in admiration of because they are 146 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.879 able to get the get up and go to say, 147 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.159 oh well, better go and churn another book out, and 148 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:27.000 better go and do one, and they sell and and 149 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.320 you know that, well I am. 150 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.360 Do you think volume is a is a metric to 151 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:33.799 go for? 152 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:37.480 Particularly volume of things? What I saw out of my 153 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:44.559 car window on the way home, ditch right, ditches? What's that? 154 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.840 The old phone boxes? I'm going to do. 155 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.559 I'm going to do the photo book. The things that 156 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:52.440 I've gone and see outside the twelve. 157 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:59.039 Callum's first piece is Grip Grip Box with a broken handle. 158 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:04.240 Cal's favorite A road. Do you know there is actually 159 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:09.440 probably a best selling book in that. It's just random 160 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:15.639 shots that you take. It's for your car, me and my. 161 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:24.000 Cousins, missus cousins soon to be husband. 162 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:26.639 Right close relative, yeah. 163 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:32.240 Close relative. We always compare service stations and we. 164 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:34.480 Got dr English. 165 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:35.559 We say the ones that we. 166 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.240 Stopped in and then and then we give them a 167 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.159 bit of a rate in and just go for. 168 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:40.960 A far review. 169 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.720 There's a few that are the magic services, which is 170 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:48.720 South Mims which somehow you get on and whatever you're 171 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.519 sat NAV time says you can go in, have twenty 172 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.799 minutes in there, come back out and you will arrive 173 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:00.799 at the same time because the traffic never changes. So 174 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.279 if you go to South Mims you get magically, you 175 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.279 get twenty minutes back of your life. 176 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.720 A tardis of the service station. 177 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:14.679 So I like that one for it being magic, you know. 178 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.279 An example would be Peterborough would be a sort of 179 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.159 three and a half out of five stars. 180 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:23.480 It's just it's not got a bridge. He's got a bridge. 181 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:25.679 A bridge is good, you know, I. 182 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.879 Was going to say this is completely irrelevant content, but 183 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:33.279 actually comparing service stations is probably quite relatable from boost 184 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.919 of the audience, given how many people listen to this 185 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:36.519 in the car. 186 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:41.200 Well, you think Glenn Glenn probably knows every single service 187 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.120 station in the land, and in actional fact it's probably 188 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:46.279 got a sort of Yes. 189 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.759 The man who goes up and down the country selling 190 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.960 probably the best thermal imaging devices also spend a lot 191 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.799 of the time on the phone to me swearing. 192 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:56.279 Do you think he likes? 193 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:57.240 Do you think he likes? 194 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.840 Do you think he likes a Waitrose, like just one 195 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.000 where you can get I think he likes I think 196 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:04.320 he likes a waitress. 197 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:15.240 That's probably the better the better food. 198 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:19.879 I reckon, I reckon it will appeal to the north 199 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.279 in him when you get like a Waitrose or an 200 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:24.840 M and S and they do stuff at very discount 201 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.600 prices because no one's buying a whole chicken in a 202 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:28.279 service station. 203 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:35.639 There there you have an establishment called Booths Booths, which 204 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.240 is the sort of the northern Waitrose. And I'm not 205 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.519 going to spoil the rest of that because when when 206 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.639 young Richard there comes over to Wales in a couple 207 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.080 of weeks we're going to talk about booths and particularly 208 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.879 the well one of the family, because it's quite an 209 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:50.759 interesting story. 210 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.000 Excellent. I do like that, you know, I have to 211 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.720 say that there is there is one. It's not only 212 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.759 properly a service station, but is the place you have 213 00:12:59.879 --> 00:13:02.960 to stop if you're going up into the Highlands, and 214 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.759 that is the House of Brewer, the House in Brewer. 215 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:10.039 Yes, I'm I'm banned from the crystal section. 216 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:18.320 Well, it's a bit like that. You sort of somebody somewhere, 217 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.639 probably in about nineteen eighty four said right, who are 218 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.720 we getting crossing our threshold and they went, there's lots 219 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:29.519 of Americans. And it's more Scottish than a box of 220 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.039 Walkers' short red biscuits. I mean, you can't move for 221 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.559 Tartan or sag Iron brew. Oh, but is up market Scotland, 222 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:44.360 so therefore it is the worst kind of Scottlan Tartan Fest. 223 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:51.759 There's lots of stag. If you want Antler related deep 224 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:54.480 fried Antler, No, you're at the wrong end of the 225 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.519 scale here, callum. This is this is there's a takeaway 226 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:00.679 lobster place in the car park. No, I want any 227 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:04.759 part of it. They have special parking for people like 228 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:08.000 you there, and it's called keep on the Raven, Keep 229 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:11.000 on the Raven, Keep going, Keep going. You'll be an 230 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.120 Aberdeen before you know it. And it is the most 231 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:20.000 remarkable place. And I once a decided because I was 232 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:23.159 sent the House of Brewer catalog as to what you 233 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:28.000 could buy, and basically it's nothing but sort of back 234 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:32.480 of the daily Telegraphs, you know, color supplements section clothing, 235 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:36.399 but in Tartan. And I took lots of photographs of 236 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:38.879 these and sort of tried to do a humorous thing 237 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:42.879 on on Twitter about saying all this various sort of 238 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:46.120 clothing and taking a piss out. My god, I might 239 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.799 as well have gone and bared my ass at the 240 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:54.200 Pope into Michael Square. It was utterly and that it 241 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:59.000 was like I had absolutely desecrated the Saltire by insulting 242 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.279 the hause of Bru is an amazing place. I suggest, callum, 243 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:06.120 you have to go there and just envelop yourself. Let 244 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:08.000 it wash. Let the Tartan. 245 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.759 Wash over you. You'd like the food hall. Actually, callum, there's 246 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.000 all sort of there's all that's not Tartan, that's plaid. 247 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.039 But he's hanging up, holding up a checked shirt. Everyone, 248 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.879 it's a bench shirt again. I think, isn't it not 249 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.279 understanding how an audio podcast works? 250 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:27.519 He's now showing things to. 251 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:35.200 Shirts rain man, isn't he in every way? Yeah? Was 252 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.120 it the fly where he's got sort of has a 253 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.799 clean clothes every day? But the just exactly the same 254 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:47.200 as the last day. I think you're talking about Mark Zuckerberg. Am, 255 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:52.320 I who's he? The man that owns the Internet? And 256 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.879 I thought that was Tim berners Lee. I thought he 257 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:03.000 owned the internet because you're Tim oh eve. 258 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.399 One with shagging hell and a bottom carter. 259 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:09.120 Yeah that is actually the word. Yeah, okay, anyway, what 260 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:10.440 are we going to talk about today? 261 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.440 Well? I were a bit late recording this week, although 262 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:16.519 listeners won't know that because you're listening to this on 263 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:20.320 a Friday or a Thursday or in forty seven weeks time, 264 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.720 because you've just discovered the show. But I was late 265 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.000 back as i've been the furthest Afield have been since 266 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:33.799 my little tree dodging incident. And that was to Liverpool. 267 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:39.080 Yes, customer is did they welcome you and tell you 268 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:41.039 a few jokes and sing you a song? 269 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.480 Liverpool's a weird thing when you approach from Whales or 270 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.000 from the south, because you go up, you drive up 271 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.200 the world and then you go into there's two tunnels 272 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.039 that go under the Mersey and it brings you out 273 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:55.759 right in the center of the city. So it's like 274 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:57.960 if you went through the Blackwall Tunnel and it brought 275 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:01.000 you out on Oxford Street. It's like that. So you 276 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.880 just suddenly in Liverpool. You've got no preamble. And we 277 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.599 were going to something called the Outdoor Trade Show, which 278 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.039 has been going for about twenty years. But it's as 279 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:13.119 the real people say, it's a B to B event 280 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.119 as a business to business thing, but it's where all 281 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:21.839 the either manufacturers or the agencies and importers that bring 282 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:26.880 in stuff from America and wherever come to meet the 283 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.440 people who buy stuff for the shops. So it's a 284 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:31.640 good place to go and see all the latest new 285 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:33.720 equipment and things which I do actually need to be 286 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.319 vaguely aware of for one of my bits of work. 287 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:40.599 Did you see anything You went, Wow, that's innovative and clever. 288 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:46.240 Because everything's pretty much been invented by now. What you 289 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:49.079 saw was either new stuff or just stuff that was 290 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.319 like this is better than that bit over there. 291 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.440 Same again, but with bluetooth there's. 292 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.240 Actually more natural cottons and fibers and things. That seems 293 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.799 to be the thing now. So we went to see 294 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.880 our friends over at Brand Koss, who are also the 295 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:07.400 people that bring in Swan Dry, which are the new 296 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.119 Zealand woolens, which I'm quite a big fan. I will 297 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.480 wear them all the way through the winter, so see them. 298 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.000 I like the one that that you were wearing, so 299 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.240 then I definitely couldn't have bought that one. So you 300 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:23.000 basically the one I liked you ruined. That's what I'm saying. 301 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:25.079 They're doing new colors in that one. 302 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:29.720 Good. I need a tartan. He ruined it because he 303 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:34.240 wore it, So you're saying he's a bad brand ambassador 304 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.160 if we turned up wearing the same thing. 305 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:42.039 Richard's one version is like a It's like a I 306 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:44.960 could probably use as a tent should should like you 307 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:46.599 know the weather kick up in. 308 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.519 The use as a fire blanket for a large commercial fire. 309 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:54.400 Well, yes, I mean this is this is the problem. 310 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:56.480 You know, back in the day when I was doing 311 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.839 lots of kit reviews and they all seem to want 312 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:01.680 me to keep hold of it, so I then wear 313 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:06.279 it in future shots that you would take photographs of. 314 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.799 I could never hand on my kit that I was 315 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.599 sent to you, because otherwise it would look like you 316 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.519 had sort of raided your dad's wardrobe, wouldn't they here? 317 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:21.359 You you got gangly arms. You're like, yeah, and two sizes. 318 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.400 Up from me. I think, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's 319 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:26.039 not it's not a good look. But I did. 320 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.640 I did peel for some waders, if I remember. 321 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:30.640 Right, you did, and you've still got them, haven't it. 322 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:35.000 I still got a pair of Snowby They're pretty could actually. 323 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.400 Yeah, yeah. Over the price, well, do you know what 324 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:38.839 it was? 325 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:40.920 I think they were that much money. 326 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:44.279 They were. They were very sensible because in the end, 327 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.960 I did say to Patrick Galbraith when he was the 328 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:50.920 editor of Shooting Times, I said, you know, there's no 329 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.920 point just keep sending me coats that are four hundred 330 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.240 and sixty quid or a pair of boots that are 331 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:02.599 ten gazillion pounds, because most people do not have that budget. 332 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:07.079 So let's go for stuff which has got a price 333 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.000 point where your average Johnny who reads the Shooting Times 334 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.000 could possibly go and think, well, I'll do that. And 335 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.559 you realize that on the whole. There were the rare 336 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.880 occasions where you go like Brando Coss Boots or dadto 337 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.920 you go, Actually, I would spend this much if I 338 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:28.319 wanted to keep my feet warm, dry and comfortable, because 339 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.720 they generally are that good. But then you drop down 340 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:34.119 to a price point one hundred and fifty two hundred 341 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:37.680 quid cheaper than them, and they're all the same, and 342 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:39.880 then you realize they've all been made in the same 343 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:44.279 factory anyway, by the same poor little Bangladeshi sweatshop worker. 344 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.680 But I have to say today I was actually doing 345 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.519 sort of. I was in the company Marcus Jansen, he 346 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:58.880 of main man of Shoffle, and we were judging the 347 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:05.519 two farms today with Ali Henton, your mate Callum. Two 348 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:09.240 lovely people spend time with and very useful as well 349 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:12.519 to get different views and opinions on what we were 350 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:17.160 looking at. But because Marcus was there, I went to 351 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.480 my because we've actually got rain for once. We've actually 352 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:22.519 got some raise raining again, now, you know, which is 353 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.720 like a miracle. But it was peeing it down this morning. 354 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.480 And as I left the house, I went to go 355 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:33.039 and pull off the peg a shuffle coat. Went no, 356 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:35.559 what I'm seeing Marcus. So I went and picked up 357 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:39.200 a Sasta one just to be contrary, just to be controlled, 358 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:41.880 so I can pull that on and go, oh, I'm 359 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:46.160 nice and dry here in my Sasta Meto pro. 360 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.880 Yeah, well this is there's a weird thing I picked 361 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.519 up today, and this is sort of an insight into 362 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:55.720 how this this world works. So the reason we go 363 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:57.440 to I go to these shows is because when I 364 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:59.839 do the stuff with I will say that I've got 365 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:02.559 this strange job. It's just a trained police military search 366 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:03.839 and rescue every now and again. 367 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:04.440 Yeah. 368 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:05.920 And one of the things we do with that is 369 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.160 I don't sell them any kits, but I make recommendations 370 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.559 sometimes for clothing because in those environments clothing is effectively 371 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:16.599 ppe and there's bits of equipment, weird stuff like water 372 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.480 filters and things that you wouldn't think of. They're a 373 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.880 bit boring, but when you need them, you need them. 374 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:21.599 Yeah. 375 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:24.519 I went to see a couple of people who haven't 376 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.680 been to this trade show before because they're relatively new 377 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.000 to the UK, and one was car Heart. So they 378 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:37.079 do all of their posh American well expensive Americans. Yeah yeah, 379 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.000 and that's so becomes sort of hipster workware. 380 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:42.440 Now, yeah, it's a huge It's like north Face. 381 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:46.519 North Face used to be yeah, and Canada Goose used 382 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:48.880 to be just Polar expeditions. 383 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.680 And now it's high street fashion sort of thing. 384 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:54.599 It's the lad who's nicked your phone is wearing a 385 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:59.599 Canada Goose. Yeah. Yeah, So when to speak to them? 386 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:01.880 And so there was a few actual there's a really 387 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.720 nice bits in their lineup that I know a couple 388 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.000 of our clients would be interested in buying. So I said, okay, 389 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.799 can I think your card because these people they just 390 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:11.799 want to go and buy twenty or thirty units at 391 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.200 a time, direct by straight to bay, straight to units whatever. 392 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.039 And they said, oh no, we don't do that. What 393 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.480 do you mean are we only sell via retailers. Yeah, 394 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:23.880 but this is like the military. They'll probably buy quite 395 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:25.720 a bit if they like it, you know, or it's 396 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:28.240 quite a nice regular thing that'll be buying. Oh no, 397 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:34.359 we can only do a via retailers. Okay, so right, fine, 398 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:36.440 there's no way around that. No, no, we own you 399 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.200 buy retailers. But you're the third military person that said 400 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.880 that to us today. All right, okay, well that's mad. 401 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:46.079