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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 2>And I understand intellectually. I understand why some people wrongly,

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<v Speaker 2>but some people say they're superhero movie fatigue. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>that because unless you're in the weeds and you know

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<v Speaker 2>the subtle differences between Sony Marvel movies and an MCU

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<v Speaker 2>and a DCEU, it just all seems the same to

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<v Speaker 2>you if you're just a casual fan. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>know the difference, you know that it's not people being

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<v Speaker 2>tired of superhero movies. People are tired of trash. And

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<v Speaker 2>although Venom the Last Dance is trash, and although everyone

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<v Speaker 2>knows it's trash, including Sony, they're going to keep putting

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<v Speaker 2>it out because there's a segment of the population which

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<v Speaker 2>will go see it no matter what. Talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>from a bin standpoint. The number one movie this week,

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<v Speaker 2>once again for the third week in a row, is

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<v Speaker 2>Venom the Last Dance. I think it has a Rotten

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<v Speaker 2>Tomatoes rating of zero maybe one. The budget was one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty million. It has already grossed more than

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<v Speaker 2>almost four hundred million worldwide. It's making money for Sony.

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<v Speaker 2>If you know the history. You know, the first Venom

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<v Speaker 2>had a higher budget and also brought in more than

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred million. But this, even though it's trash, is

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<v Speaker 2>still bringing in money for the company. What does that mean. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they may say it's the last Dance, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the last Sony superhero movie. And Sony has been churning

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<v Speaker 2>out these bad quote unquote superhero movies for a profit

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<v Speaker 2>for the better part of ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You can talk about how bad Madam Web is. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't slow them down, Sony. They're still going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a crave. In the Hunter movie, they had a Morbius

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<v Speaker 2>movie that was bad. All these Sony movies are bad.

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<v Speaker 2>The first two Venom movies are bad, but they kept

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<v Speaker 2>making money for the company.

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<v Speaker 3>So when people.

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<v Speaker 2>Say that we all of us are tired of superhero movies,

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<v Speaker 2>number one, no, we're not. Even the bad ones are

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<v Speaker 2>making money, and as long as they continue to make money,

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<v Speaker 2>then the studios will continue to make the Mark Ronner

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<v Speaker 2>makes the perfect point about how most of the horror

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<v Speaker 2>genre today they're not good movies, but they're very inexpensive

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<v Speaker 2>and they produce multipliers. As far as you had an

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<v Speaker 2>eight million dollar budget, it may bring in fifty six million.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have the same kind of bloated budgets as

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<v Speaker 4>a Marvel movie, so they really make your money back.

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<v Speaker 4>If you and I MO we're going to invest in movies,

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<v Speaker 4>I would force you to invest in horror film.

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<v Speaker 3>I would in a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just waiting for someone to say, hey, Mode, do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to get in on on this new I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, like a Winni the Pooh intellectual property thing

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<v Speaker 2>where they buy up some intellectual property became public domain

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<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna make a movie for one hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll probably bring in three million. Give me an EP credit. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go make some money together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We got to look at the PD lists every single

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<v Speaker 4>year because more and more stuff falls into the public

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<v Speaker 4>domain that we can just destroy for a handsome profit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I don't know how you get in.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, to be at the top of the list,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be waiting there at midnight on a

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<v Speaker 2>certain day and then refile it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, a lot of this is for older stuff that's

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<v Speaker 4>and so there. I forget what the rules are, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's X number of decades after the creator dies. Hm

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<v Speaker 4>so you know that explains Winnie the Pooh, that explains

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<v Speaker 4>some Sherlock Home stuff, HP Lovecraft stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>But then you can I believe anyone after it enters

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<v Speaker 5>public domain, anyone who has a take on said character,

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<v Speaker 5>as long as it's strays away from the exacts act original,

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<v Speaker 5>can do something. So it's not first come, first serve,

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<v Speaker 5>because anyone could do a take on a Winnie the

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<v Speaker 5>Pooh horror movie. The individuals who did were just the

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need to do a Winning the Poop porno.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's got to be a market out there. Oh Pooh,

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<v Speaker 2>come here with that Honey Baby starring.

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<v Speaker 3>Ron Jeremy as e Or. I don't think he's starring

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<v Speaker 3>as anything. You're probably right.

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<v Speaker 4>He'd have to get on a work release from prison,

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't he. But here's the point.

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<v Speaker 2>The number two movie this week heretic that you reviews

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<v Speaker 2>part of the Runner report. It's budget under ten million.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so low they didn't even list it. I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 2>it was even that much. The whole movie takes place

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<v Speaker 2>in the house seriously, and it grows thirteen point five

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<v Speaker 2>million in its first week worldwide. It's already made back

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<v Speaker 2>all of its money. And it's not bad either.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's a decent, well written, well filmed, well acted movie.

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<v Speaker 4>So good on them. I think it's a twenty four

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<v Speaker 4>that put that out. It is a twenty four three.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the best Christmas Christmas pageant ever. Not familiar

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<v Speaker 4>with Lionsgate, what the best Christmas pageant ever? Nobody is

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<v Speaker 4>ready for the mayhem and surprises that ensued when six

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<v Speaker 4>of the worst youngsters disrupt the town's yearly Christmas performance.

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<v Speaker 4>That sounds very boring, but it's still brought in ten

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<v Speaker 4>point seven million.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the target audience, and I'm securing too early.

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<v Speaker 2>The best Christmas pageant in November. No, no, no, Once you

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<v Speaker 2>pass Halloween's Christmas season, just about.

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<v Speaker 3>Everywhere, I'm against it.

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<v Speaker 2>Number four Wild Robot is still hanging in there brought

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<v Speaker 2>in another six point six million. Another horror film, Smile Too,

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<v Speaker 2>came in at number five with five point one million,

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<v Speaker 2>for a total of one hundred and twenty three million.

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<v Speaker 2>Look the horror movies make money.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh we're getting the Smile three. Make no mistake, Conclave,

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<v Speaker 4>that's kind of horror. Well, depending that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of brought in twenty one point eight million all

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<v Speaker 2>together so far, and it brought in four million this week,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes on down, coming into number ten this

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<v Speaker 2>week is Terrifyer three. It's gross seventy eight million worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing this budget was under fifteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, Okay, that's too much trash even for me

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<v Speaker 4>to sit through. I watched the first one and it's

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<v Speaker 4>nothing but an evil clown just killing people in horrifying ways.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. That's the whole movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But no one is saying, oh, we're just tired of

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<v Speaker 2>horror movies. No, if there's a market for it, if

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<v Speaker 2>there's an audience for it, they will keep making the movies,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if they're profitable. Maybe not on the range of

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<v Speaker 2>these blockbuster superhero movies, but it's not. And I hate

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<v Speaker 2>when people say I'm tired of these superhero movies. No

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<v Speaker 2>one has forced you to go to any of these movies.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tired of bad Martin Scorsese movies. But you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see me complaining. I just don't go. I just don't go.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I'm not a fan of rom coms.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen most of the rom coms up through the

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<v Speaker 2>early two thousands. After that, I kind of checked out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care for rom comms. I don't If the

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<v Speaker 2>next version of The Notebook is coming out, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to see it. I'm not a romantic like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't appreciate those movies.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they make twenty five of them over the

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<v Speaker 2>next five years, it's still not going to affect me.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because I'm not going to change my movie going habits.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find rom coms anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like I'm I'm saying, oh my gosh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just sick of seeing them.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the contrarians that are going on and on and

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<v Speaker 5>on about their hate for superhero genre films. Either of

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<v Speaker 5>these are individuals who feel left out of the genre

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<v Speaker 5>and feel that they must attack the what they perceive

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<v Speaker 5>as being this exclusive club of films for nerds, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's really not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Martin skrust like that, and you know, Steven Spielberg,

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<v Speaker 2>you can hammer on that all you want, but I

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<v Speaker 2>will say we were going back and fourth over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>all three of us, and we had seen the trailers

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<v Speaker 2>for the new Captain America movie with the Falcon as

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<v Speaker 2>the new cap.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, we cannot say anything about your your response.

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<v Speaker 4>No, but we also were passing back forget the new

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<v Speaker 4>Thunderbolts trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Those both look incredibly fun. Yeah, here's what people forget.

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel had one movie in twenty twenty four one. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're saying that people are tired of superhero movies

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't know that Marvel only had one movie

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<v Speaker 2>this year, then you clearly aren't paying attention or don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand the difference between the MCU and everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>Else and their one film did damn near twenty one

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<v Speaker 5>point billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so crazy. What are we talking about? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>really that tired? No, you just were tired of the

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<v Speaker 2>mediocre and less than movies because when they brought it,

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<v Speaker 2>when they really came with it, you were right there,

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<v Speaker 2>your ass was in the front row, and you saw

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<v Speaker 2>for moving to a cross at least a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>You're seeing it multiple times, people are going back to

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<v Speaker 2>see it multiple times. I can't speak for that Avatar BS.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about real movies with real fans and real

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<v Speaker 2>tickets purchase. I still haven't seen the new Avatar or

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<v Speaker 2>real life and that's my point, because free there are

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<v Speaker 2>far too many people that I know that I respect.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't find someone who actually saw that movie more

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<v Speaker 2>than once.

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<v Speaker 3>If at all.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a green Eggs and ham situation minus the ending.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, not in a house, not with a mouse.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not watching that movie, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>And the movie itself wasn't bad, but it was so stereotypical,

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<v Speaker 2>so predictable, so formulaic. It didn't have any of the

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<v Speaker 2>supposed magic of the first one. At least in the

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<v Speaker 2>first one, you can say, Okay, they created a new world.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say that they were characters that we hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>seen before a lot of tropes, but the characters were

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<v Speaker 2>at least different, and it was a different story this one.

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<v Speaker 2>The second one just seemed like they didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>story to tell.

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<v Speaker 4>The first one bored me to tears. They know more

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<v Speaker 4>of my time, life is short.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the second one is even more boring. Okay, oh

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<v Speaker 3>it's really boring. Thanks for taking the bullet on that one. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the least I could do for a friend. There'll

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<v Speaker 3>be more. It's later with mo Kelly. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>And let's talk about micro's cinemas. They're popping up all

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<v Speaker 2>over LA. And last year, for example, Vidiots Foundation opened

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<v Speaker 2>its first micro theater in Eagle Rock. In fact, Quentin

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<v Speaker 2>Tarantino you might have heard of him, updated the Vista

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<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood to include a video archive, cinema club, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Guardina Cinema leaned into a counter programming strategy.

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<v Speaker 3>Each night you can see.

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<v Speaker 2>A high brow classic at the Academy Museum's upscale David

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<v Speaker 2>Geffen Theater. I've been there, and the sound and projection

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<v Speaker 2>are are wonderful. And they're over dozens of venues across

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<v Speaker 2>Southern California, from Santa Monica to Hollywood to those feelas,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have all these screenings with filmmakers, actors and experts,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe you just want to see an off the

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<v Speaker 2>Beaten Path movie or an oldie. These tiny venues are

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<v Speaker 2>usually filled with about a couple dozen seats at most,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of the hundreds that you and I are accustomed

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<v Speaker 2>to for going to see in imax screening. Would you

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<v Speaker 2>like to see one of your old favorites, but just

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<v Speaker 2>Cinema Club and they have super eight millimeter film to CinemaScope,

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting to see film, you're getting to see art.

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<v Speaker 2>But these are micro venues where you're not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>bring in one hundred people, but you might bring in

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen to twenty. And if you can find a good

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<v Speaker 2>houses of Old, have a consistent clientele coming in three

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the tiny house phenomenon. I get the ads

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<v Speaker 2>for them on Facebook all the time. The tiny houses,

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<v Speaker 2>where they're basically basically the size of a dorm room,

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<v Speaker 2>two story dorm room, but you have four walls. It

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<v Speaker 2>smaller venues, smaller events, And this might be the trend

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<v Speaker 2>going forward to kind of balance off the cost of

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<v Speaker 2>and see a movie which may not be first run,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can see it for five dollars instead of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five dollars. That's another reason why people are possibly

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<v Speaker 2>skittish from going to the movies, because it's almost an

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<v Speaker 2>investment if you are a young person. And let's say

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<v Speaker 2>when I was growing up, the first date was always

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, dinner in a movie. It was a real

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<v Speaker 2>easy thing to do. It wasn't a lot of pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go get some food, you can watch a movie,

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy each other's company. But tickets back then weren't more

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't have to spend much money at all. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you can easily spend a good one hundred dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple going to the movies and getting some food,

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<v Speaker 2>how people would go to these micro cinemas. I don't know, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>have you ever seen one. I've been to the David

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<v Speaker 4>No. I had a lot of in La but I

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<v Speaker 4>There was a place in Seattle I used to go

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it's quite micro and what's the

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<v Speaker 4>the thing is that a lot of these are for

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<v Speaker 4>like cult type movies, and it's fun to watch those

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<v Speaker 4>with fellow degenerates and nerds. Like I just told you

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<v Speaker 4>before the show that over the weekend I watched the

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<v Speaker 4>thirty sixth Chamber of Shell Lynn, which was one of

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<v Speaker 4>To watch that in a room of like minded nerds,

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<v Speaker 4>that would be a ton of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think if, especially if you could get it

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<v Speaker 2>with like minded individuals, like you're saying, fellow nerds, if

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<v Speaker 2>you maybe just get all the guys together, like when

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<v Speaker 2>we go to the theater, it's fun because we're in

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<v Speaker 2>that communal environment. We all love movies as long as

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<v Speaker 2>other people leave us alone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it's one of the things I used to

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<v Speaker 4>love about going to the New Beverly because they just

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<v Speaker 4>mainly show older cult films. You've got everybody there who

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<v Speaker 4>loves what they're about to see. Most people have seen

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<v Speaker 4>it again, but the people who are discovering it for

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<v Speaker 4>the first time, that's cool to be with them as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you get somebody who's involved with the picture there

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<v Speaker 4>to introduce it or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I really miss.

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<v Speaker 4>The communal aspect of going to movies that COVID generally destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>You hit on something, which is key. I'd like seeing

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<v Speaker 2>these older movies, but they're usually presented by someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>either connected to it, can provide some insight with it,

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<v Speaker 2>or more than just the movie itself. It could be

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<v Speaker 2>a Q and A after the fact, and you get

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<v Speaker 2>to meet some of the original casts even though it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a new movie, but it's a new way to

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, and I see stuff on YouTube all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>like imagine having William Friedkin do a Q and A

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<v Speaker 4>before or after The Exorcist, or like I I watched

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<v Speaker 4>one not long ago of Robert Kulp for the movie

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<v Speaker 4>he directed called Hickey and Boggs. I think that was

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<v Speaker 4>at the New Beverly. These events are priceless because also

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of these people that are getting up there

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<v Speaker 4>in years and you want a chance to see them

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<v Speaker 2>Well to that point, since they are getting up in years.

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<v Speaker 2>And since you get these i would say, exclusive opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to social media, you have a chance to memorialize

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<v Speaker 2>it in a way that you couldn't fifteen years ago

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<v Speaker 2>or so or twenty years ago. You get to actively

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<v Speaker 2>engage and keep them and look, I was never an

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<v Speaker 3>I was always a photo guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I always like to be able to say, hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>never collected autographs, I think, to my mind, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have I got a signed autograph picture of the Good

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<v Speaker 2>Times cast in the nineteen seventy. Yeah, and they all

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<v Speaker 2>signed it. You can see the different oh signatures. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just got to find it somewhere at my mother's

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<v Speaker 2>but back in the day you would write CBS and

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<v Speaker 2>And I in later years I've matched the signatures with

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<v Speaker 2>others at Jimmy Walker, you know. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never collected signatures. Always wanted the picture with the person.

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<v Speaker 4>of the times there with people I've interviewed, and that

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<v Speaker 4>to me is the special thing. But like, just as

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<v Speaker 4>another example of a local event that was just priceless,

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<v Speaker 4>that was cool with her, you know Fiona from the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>let me hug her without well stabbing me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you at least you asked.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I didn't say this is for queen and country

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<v Speaker 4>and then forced a hug on her. No, but those

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<v Speaker 4>kind of things are are just great fun and they

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<v Speaker 4>bring people together who like all all these kinds of movies.

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<v Speaker 4>Like another one that I went to before the plague

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<v Speaker 4>He's still with us, and he was there and he

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe microcinemas have a future here in La. Will

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<v Speaker 2>continue to tell you about them as it happens. It's

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<v Speaker 2>later with mo Kelly. We're gonna recap the Penguin season finale,

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<v Speaker 2>which was made available on the Max app HBO Max

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<v Speaker 2>App yesterday, and we got to tell you we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to ruin it for Mark Ronner, who's midway through

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<v Speaker 2>the series. But let me just say this up front,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to see this series if you like anything

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<v Speaker 2>about gangster or mob television shows. It's that good. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you more in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on Demand from

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about, you know what, I'm tired of

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<v Speaker 2>these superhero movies. I'm just tired of them, tired of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me give you something to consider if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>even Succession, because there's a there's a succession esque portion

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<v Speaker 2>to this show. I highly recommend that you check out

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<v Speaker 2>The Penguin starring Colin Ferrell. Yes, it is directly connected

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<v Speaker 2>to the events of the movie The Batman Matt Reeves

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<v Speaker 2>The Batman with Robert Pattinson starring.

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<v Speaker 3>It's connected to that.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the show picks up episode one right after

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<v Speaker 2>the final events of the movie The Batman. But outside

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<v Speaker 2>of that, unless you are deep, deep, deep into Batman

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<v Speaker 2>lore and know certain names and certain families. It is

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<v Speaker 2>just like any other gritty, vulgar, profane gangster tale which

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<v Speaker 2>is set in a city called Gossam, Gotham, which is

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<v Speaker 2>by all appearances New York City in every way. It

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like modern day New York in every way,

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<v Speaker 2>same types of issues, same types of feel. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes place in the United States. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at Batman and DC, it doesn't take place in

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote the United States. You have cities like National City, Metropolis, Gotham,

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<v Speaker 2>Central City, all fictitious cities. But this takes place in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. And the even Gotham has borrows. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that until this series, but now they have

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<v Speaker 2>burroughs like they have of Manhattan and Brooklyn and the

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<v Speaker 2>Bronx and Staten Island, Coney Island, just like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a gritty, violent, mark violent, violent TV show.

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<v Speaker 3>It is violent.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a couple episodes to go, but I was

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<v Speaker 4>watching one last night and an extremely violent thing complete

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<v Speaker 4>lately took me off guard and made me understand, Oh, nobody's.

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<v Speaker 3>Safe here are they? Nobody is safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night the season finale dropped, and all I can

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<v Speaker 2>say is nobody is safe. There are characters who are

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<v Speaker 2>introduced throughout the season, from episode one all the way through,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will see some very familiar faces. Actor Theo

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<v Speaker 2>Rossi who plays doctor Julian Rush. You may remember him

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<v Speaker 2>from other marvel.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one did he do it? Luke Cage, Luke Cage.

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<v Speaker 2>Kristin Miliatti, who plays Sofia Falcone.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a star. She steals. This is her show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, she steals most scenes that she's in. It

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<v Speaker 2>may be called the Penguin, but you might as well

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<v Speaker 2>call it the Fucone because everything turns on the actions

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<v Speaker 2>of her.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so well written, so well acted, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>find yourself. Clancy Brown is really good as Salvatore Maroney.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a Clancy Brown fan, he's kind of your

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<v Speaker 2>utility player.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad guy, isn't he? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And actor Michael Kelly, you may remember him from House

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<v Speaker 2>of Cards, played White House chief of Staff. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>very very good character actor. If he's on lion S,

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<v Speaker 2>if you see him, you've seen him a thousand times.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a well balanced cast of serious actors and actresses

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<v Speaker 2>who in their own right can fill up a screen.

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<v Speaker 2>Highly recommend this show.

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<v Speaker 5>This show that should absolutely be within award contention in

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<v Speaker 5>all categories, from acting, writing to costume makeup. This is

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<v Speaker 5>a story that is so engrossing and unlike every other

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<v Speaker 5>HBO slash Max series that has come before it, which

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<v Speaker 5>they usually end on a really bad note. Most HBO

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<v Speaker 5>or Max series they end or know what you say,

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<v Speaker 5>I watched this entire series for that. This is a

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<v Speaker 5>series that went out with such a bang. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>telling you, if you know anything of the Batman lore,

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<v Speaker 5>and like say, maybe you look at a film like

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<v Speaker 5>The Joker where you say, there's no way this guy

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<v Speaker 5>could have contended with the likes of a Batman. This

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<v Speaker 5>is a penguin who absolutely could stand ten toes down

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<v Speaker 5>against the likes of a Batman.

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<v Speaker 2>And you do not need to know anything about Batman.

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<v Speaker 2>Source material not not the movie The Batman. I told

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<v Speaker 2>you as far as context, it picks up right after

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<v Speaker 2>the movie the events of the movie. But you do

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<v Speaker 2>not need to have seen the movie. You do not

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<v Speaker 2>need to know anything about Batman. If you just like

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<v Speaker 2>gangster television shows, this show is for you. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to know anything going in, and that's another selling point.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not bogged down by easter eggs or bogged down

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<v Speaker 2>by source material that you don't know, you haven't read,

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<v Speaker 2>or you haven't seen.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's very uh, entry level. I guess it's the

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<v Speaker 4>comic industry term for this. You don't need to know

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<v Speaker 4>a thing. And in fact, that's one of the initial

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<v Speaker 4>things that I had a problem with, which is why

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<v Speaker 4>is this show embarrassed to be from a comic book?

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<v Speaker 4>But if you stick with it, I think you'll be satisfying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you know that it's from a comic book,

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<v Speaker 2>But if you just turned it on and just watched it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing cartoonish or comic book ish about it. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not exaggerated stereotypes or personalities.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no mister Freeze walking around turning people into human

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<v Speaker 4>gangster sickles, right because there are no costumes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're not you know, they're not dressed up playing

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<v Speaker 2>these caricatures. They're just people. And it's basically it's basically

484
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<v Speaker 2>the Mob. I can say that it's it's the Mob

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<v Speaker 2>and how it has taken over Gotham and you see

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<v Speaker 2>the Rise of One Man and is told over many,

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<v Speaker 2>many years, all the steps that he took to eventually

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<v Speaker 2>get in to a degree of power, the chess moves

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<v Speaker 2>that he made while people always underestimated him or assumed.

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<v Speaker 3>That he was too stupid to do what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 4>And they have the nerve to make him an extremely

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<v Speaker 4>unlikable character, but with just enough redemption in the form

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<v Speaker 4>of his relationship with a young I guess apprentice criminal

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<v Speaker 4>that you don't completely hate him. Also, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 4>Kristin Miliotti without spoiling anything for anybody, there's an episode

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<v Speaker 4>that explains her backstory as an over yrkham Asylum. I

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<v Speaker 4>guarantee you she's gonna get an Emmy for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you think about the great gritty dramas. Look, it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like you're watching Orange is the New Black mixed

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<v Speaker 2>in with the Sopranos an oz.

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<v Speaker 5>Man even more because now I understand the Batman's real

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<v Speaker 5>world approach to telling this character story and not making

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<v Speaker 5>him fantastical, making the Robert Pattinson Batman a character who

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<v Speaker 5>used his wealth to you know, armor up with things

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<v Speaker 5>that you may be able to get, you know, like

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<v Speaker 5>in most films. Batman, he was a superhero this film

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<v Speaker 5>he's literally a vigilante. And you see now that this

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<v Speaker 5>world can produce a Batman who is just a vigilante,

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<v Speaker 5>someone who has the wealth enough to arm himself and

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<v Speaker 5>go up against individuals like that. And I like how

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<v Speaker 5>they grounded. I look back now at The Riddler and

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<v Speaker 5>I say, ah, now I see why, because I was

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<v Speaker 5>going into The Batman looking for superhero film and instead

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<v Speaker 5>we got real world. And now I'm like, it all

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<v Speaker 5>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>All I can say is, you think of the great

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<v Speaker 2>mob monsters in lore. The Penguin is on that list.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a monster, and they show you. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you. It's violent, it's vulgar, and it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>And before we get out of here, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this story in the first segment of the show. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we have to really talk about it. You may have

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<v Speaker 2>heard it in the newscast with Mark Ronner. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a mistake. I just don't. But when Mattel

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<v Speaker 2>had to pull Wicked from the movie in musical Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>Dolls after quote unquote mistakenly listing an adult porn site

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<v Speaker 2>on packaging.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying it's not a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like it was a mistaken link to a

533
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<v Speaker 2>grocery store, something innocuous. Why does it always have to

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<v Speaker 2>be porn? Everything leads back to porn. Mattel pulled its

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked dolls after packaging for the movie merchandise mistakenly listed

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<v Speaker 2>a website to an adult porn site rather than to

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<v Speaker 2>the Wicked movie website. I'm sure it was just a great, big,

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<v Speaker 2>long misunderstanding.

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<v Speaker 3>No one meant to do this, the longest understanding. Wait,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you say? Nothing quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Mattel made aware of a misprint on the packaging of

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<v Speaker 2>the Mattel Wicked collection dolls, primarily sold in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>which intended to direct consumers to the official wickedmovie dot

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<v Speaker 2>com landing page. This is according to a statement in

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<v Speaker 2>the Hollywood Reporter. We deeply regret this unfortunate error error

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<v Speaker 2>uh huh, and are taking immediate action to remedy this.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents are advised that the misprinted, incorrect website is not

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<v Speaker 2>appropriate for children.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me stop there.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to put a parental advisory saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>porn website that you say was not intentionally put there

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<v Speaker 2>is not for children.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what they're saying?

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<v Speaker 4>You got to tell people everything. You can't assume anybody's

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<v Speaker 4>got a lick of common sense these days.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, lick.

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<v Speaker 2>You're telling me that you had to tell parents that

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<v Speaker 2>the porn site website is not appropriate for children.

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<v Speaker 3>They had to put that in the statement.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, pornography generally not appropriate for children.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go, there's more.

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<v Speaker 2>Consumers who already have the product are advised to discard

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<v Speaker 2>the product packaging or obscure the link and make contact

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<v Speaker 2>MATEL customer service for further information.

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to contact Mattel for excuse me, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>a link to porn hub on my wicked doll.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're going to talk you through it. What do

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<v Speaker 3>I need to do to remove it? Almost said something else?

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<v Speaker 2>What did I need to do to not navigate to

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<v Speaker 2>the porn website?

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00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>What is Mattel gonna tell me? Just don't navigate there?

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't point your browser there.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, for collectibility, and just because I am a collector,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm gonna have to try to hurry up

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<v Speaker 5>and grab one of these.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh oh yeah, they'll probably be valuable on eBay soon.

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<v Speaker 3>You better. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The character dolls with the mislabel packaging feature fashion and

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<v Speaker 2>singing ones, along with collectible varieties, and include Grande's Glinda

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<v Speaker 2>and Rivo's.

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<v Speaker 3>Elf Alpha Alphaba dolls.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the misprint, those who want information on the

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<v Speaker 2>movie should visit the film's official site.

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<v Speaker 3>What we idiots, We didn't make the mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're telling me that it was supposed to go

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<v Speaker 2>to wickedmovie dot com, I'm pretty sure that's where the

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<v Speaker 2>actual movie website is. If I put in pornhub dot

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<v Speaker 2>com expecting it to go to wickedmovie dot com, then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the idiot. But that's not what I'm doing. If

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<v Speaker 2>I put in pornhub dot com, as it says on

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<v Speaker 2>the package, I don't know what website it was. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's neither here nor there. I'm expecting it to go

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<v Speaker 2>where that website is pointing the name of a production company.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes it is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I do a thorough check as a journalist here, but

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<v Speaker 4>not on a company computer. It's not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>If people only saw your text messages, Mark Runner.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just keep those between us.

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<v Speaker 2>If they only knew what we knew about you.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are private, and we're adults. Those are between male

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<v Speaker 4>adult buddies. When you put it like that, you're making

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<v Speaker 4>it weirder than it already is. It's not like we're

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<v Speaker 4>sitting in a steam room together or anything. Just relax

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<v Speaker 4>in the steamroom. Relax, Just relax. It'll go easier if

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<v Speaker 4>you just relax.

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<v Speaker 2>It's later with mo Kelly, it's you know, I'm quite

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<v Speaker 2>sure we have completely pissed off George North.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet he's kind of tensed up right now. K

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<v Speaker 4>if I am Sex forty. We're live everywhere in the

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