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<v Speaker 1>What if you were given a choice, a choice between

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<v Speaker 1>life and death, but choosing life would mean enduring pain

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<v Speaker 1>beyond comprehension. This is the survival story of Mary Vincent.

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<v Speaker 1>The odds were most certainly not her favor, but when

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<v Speaker 1>her attacker left her for dead after throwing her down

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty foot embankment, she made a choice, a choice

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<v Speaker 1>to choose life, a choice to not let evil prevail.

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<v Speaker 2>Good warning the following podcast the graphic content materials in

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<v Speaker 2>audience listener, just question. Hey guys, it's Nicole and this has.

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<v Speaker 1>Been and you are listening to Wicked and Grim, a

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<v Speaker 1>true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And just like that, we have a new intro boom

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<v Speaker 2>boom boom. That was pretty pretty slick, well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, well I had to take a few takes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie because you can't fumble on a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking intro like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, third times a charm, though you nailed it on

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<v Speaker 2>the third attempt. Yeah, there you go. It's kind of exciting. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed that. Yeah. I think it's a little little

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<v Speaker 2>interesting way to give you guys a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>feeler for what we're gonna be talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of always being.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, hey, it's Nicoll. Yeah. So and then sifting through

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<v Speaker 2>our little bit of an intro of like yeapping and

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<v Speaker 2>catching guys up on stuff, which we're still gonna do totally,

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<v Speaker 2>but this way you at least get that understanding and what's.

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<v Speaker 1>To come, yeah, and it kind of gets your little

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<v Speaker 1>excitement of what's to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the blood flowing, the thought's going, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>the nerves and the hair in the back of your

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<v Speaker 2>next standing up because no one likes to hear that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shit, because that's why you guys here listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited. I was a little jelly of your

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<v Speaker 1>survival story, so I had to had to do one

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<v Speaker 1>of my am because it's kind of fun to research.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I think we should do some more survival stories.

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<v Speaker 1>When the outcome isn't super gram, it's kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, and it was actually really awesome to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about someone who had strength like that and actually to

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<v Speaker 2>come out on top. Oh so powerful stuff, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we'll definitely be doing some more survival stories,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys should send us a request on survival story.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys have survival stories you want to hear specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>hit us up, whether it's an email or whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>an Instagram or something like that, just tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Us we did get a couple after the last one,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think people enjoyed it, so yeah, yes, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little more uplifting than hearing well, and then they fucking

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<v Speaker 2>died and that sucks because that does fucking suck. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, well that's one way. Well it does. It

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<v Speaker 2>fucking sucks here in that right, So yeah, over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I just wanted to note before I forget.

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<v Speaker 1>So last week we put two episodes out, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>the second one was the Lacy Peterson case, and that

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<v Speaker 1>one is actually showing up below. What was your case again, Alison?

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<v Speaker 2>I have fuck what's your last name? Oh no?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, Yeah, so that Alison one came out first,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Lacy Peterson, but it is showing in like

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<v Speaker 1>a reversed order, So don't be mad at us. We

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<v Speaker 1>did actually put two out there, just in that weird order.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and thank you for putting me on the spot there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I'm fucking horrible with names.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you do it to me all the fucking time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, So I guess I got what's coming to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I did want to touch on something else though. We've

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of questions over the last month or

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<v Speaker 2>so about if we're going to be making an appearance

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<v Speaker 2>at Crime Con in Las Vegas coming up this week. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not going to be in attendance at Crime con. However,

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<v Speaker 2>we're thinking that we might see if we can maybe

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<v Speaker 2>make an appearance next year. We're not guaranteeing anything because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, being up here in Canada and having to

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<v Speaker 2>make the trip all the way down to Las Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially with how COVID is playing out, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>what it's going to be like next year. But we'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see if maybe next year it could be the

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<v Speaker 2>year that will make ourselves a little bit of public

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<v Speaker 2>appearance there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I love Vegas. Super funny though went completely

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<v Speaker 1>over my head because I know there was like some comments,

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<v Speaker 1>oh like will we be hope to see you in Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like cool, Like that's so cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>want asking him to Vegas. Like, I just had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what that meant.

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<v Speaker 2>So you filled me in. Yeah, there we go. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the Crime Convention. Yeah, that would be sweet. We totally

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<v Speaker 2>want to go so it's just a matter of we

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<v Speaker 2>got to make it happen. So yeah, if you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be a crime con, make sure you

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<v Speaker 2>guys take lots of pictures. Tell us all about your

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<v Speaker 2>experience down there, because we want to hear all about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be living vicariously through you guys, so

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<v Speaker 2>hit us up, let us know what happens. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably amazing. Yeah, oh, you didn't inform me and where

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<v Speaker 2>we are in a patron's list, that's your job we're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to doing before this. Who was our last patron?

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<v Speaker 2>Who signed up last when we left off, Christina, Christina, Christina,

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<v Speaker 2>course they get an extra podcast episode from us every month.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the last day of every month, so there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be one here on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>more people sign up. So, starting with Michelle Miller, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for signing up. We appreciate your support.

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<v Speaker 2>We got Tabitha, we have Ashley Laussen Laosing last names

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<v Speaker 2>get me every time. There's always someone with an obscurely

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<v Speaker 2>weird pronounced name or I'm just overthinking it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, well, I think it's very obvious that we

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<v Speaker 1>are not the best at the name pronunciation around here.

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<v Speaker 2>Not so much. We try, and it's not like it's

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<v Speaker 2>obscure names by any means. It's just it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit different, you know, a little unique or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it throws me for a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you've never seen a word before, how the

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<v Speaker 1>hell did you supposed to just know right away how

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<v Speaker 1>to pronounce it?

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<v Speaker 2>Fair Enough, every time I see someone's name and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to pronounce it, I'm always just like, secretly

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of my head I before eat except after,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the only one I can remember, so it

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<v Speaker 2>never does need any good awesome, But after Ashley, we

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<v Speaker 2>also have Kenny Thompson. So thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>signing up for Patreon and giving us all that amazing support.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all are awesome. Y'all are incredible and wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate it more than you could ever know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, an incredible amount. So thank you, thank you, and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. What else we got is that it? I think?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think we can move into this this

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<v Speaker 2>epic case here. Well, maybe we should put on our

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<v Speaker 2>listening caps and buckle our seatbelts and get into this

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<v Speaker 2>crank case that you got prepared for us. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually kind of excited here. All right, we'll hit

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<v Speaker 2>us up. Kind of story.

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<v Speaker 1>Rejuvenated my true crime juices by doing a I like,

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<v Speaker 1>a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>A good one, A good one. Maybe not being sick

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<v Speaker 2>helps too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually very true. Not that like other ones aren't

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<v Speaker 1>good and stuff, but it's just like the outcome is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a nice feeling. Okay, so let's dive in here,

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<v Speaker 1>let's hear it. So it was September twenty ninth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight, when fifteen year old Mary Vincent decided to

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<v Speaker 1>run away from home.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, fifteen, Hey, I know, that's so little. That's so little.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like a child. It is a child. I was

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<v Speaker 2>literally obsessed with Pokemon at fifteen and dragon ball Z.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thirty four and I'm still obsessed with those things. Yeah, all,

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't changed, Yeah, never mind? Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of Las Vegas, she was living in Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas at the time with her parents, who it was reported,

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<v Speaker 1>were going through a messy divorce. Mary was one of

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<v Speaker 1>seven children, and I think she had just had enough.

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<v Speaker 1>She decided she needed some time away and would hitchhike

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<v Speaker 1>to calif Wow, brave. She made it some way to Berkeley, California.

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<v Speaker 1>But her final destination was Oh, I wrote that wrong here, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>Wellna, I just want to say that. I was all

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<v Speaker 2>like thinking final destination like the movies as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>you said that, so that's where my brain went. Oh okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>her final destination was there boom done, Just kidding what

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't make any sense. First of all, I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to buy you time to look up when you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about and you just stared at me the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>And two, you clearly haven't seen Final Destination because the

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<v Speaker 2>movie you feel like I have.

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<v Speaker 1>We are, okay, we need to stop with this. Every

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<v Speaker 1>podcast where I'm in trouble for shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't watched it.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, her final freaking destination was Corona, California, where

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<v Speaker 1>her grandfather lived.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Corona, California. Corona. Oh, when you said Corona, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought you were just like blaming COVID for some for

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<v Speaker 2>you to forget.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure it how you pronounce Corona.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I should mention though a lot of reports have

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<v Speaker 1>different variances of those events, and I freaking hate that

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<v Speaker 1>one researching so some said she was leaving her grandfather's

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<v Speaker 1>like her going to California. But either way, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>super important because it does not change the trajectory of

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<v Speaker 1>what is to happen. But I just thought I should

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<v Speaker 1>knowe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mary was standing on the side of the road

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for someone to stop and offer her a ride,

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<v Speaker 1>which is when Lawrence Singleton comes into the picture. He

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<v Speaker 1>slowed down his van. One report showed it is a

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<v Speaker 1>white van with no windows in the back, so basically

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<v Speaker 1>like a pedophile van. Like nowadays, that would just make

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<v Speaker 1>you run for the hills, But I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it would in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was just about to say, of course he's

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<v Speaker 2>driving a van and it's probably white too. Yeah, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think hitchhiking was way more of a thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventies. Yeah, it was, But cases like this,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a big old hint for you, is what's

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<v Speaker 1>made it not quite as a desirable mode of transportation nowadays.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, Oh God.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't hitchhike, please, for the love of God, whatever you do,

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<v Speaker 1>don't hitchhike. Yeah, you never know who that is today's lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Lawrence was described as having a kind smile and

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<v Speaker 1>presented a family man demeanor. He was a merchant seaman

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure making her feel pretty comfortable, right, Like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, this guy is like a father figure. He

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<v Speaker 1>obviously good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, building up a report, building up relationship, seeming relatable,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was apparently heading to Reno, said he'd change.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd happily, happily change, of course, to take her to

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<v Speaker 1>the direction she was wanting to go, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think is often how hitchhiking works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit on the suspicious side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, I'll just go ahead and give you a drive.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure there's people out there who are

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<v Speaker 2>trust them. No, if someone's willing to go that far

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<v Speaker 2>out of your way just off on a whim. When

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<v Speaker 2>they just pick you up on the side of the road,

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<v Speaker 2>there's probably ulterior motives, whether it's to murder you or

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<v Speaker 2>just maybe they are just extremely hitting on you, But

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<v Speaker 2>there's ulterior motives.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, so, yes, yeah, But Mary unfortunately accepted

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<v Speaker 1>this and got into the van with Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>The ride started off fine. Mary was being taken in

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<v Speaker 1>the direction she was going she wanted to go, and

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<v Speaker 1>all seemed, well, this is really messed up. Though it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until she sneezed that the first red flag would

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<v Speaker 1>be raised. I mean, there's already been kind of some

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<v Speaker 1>red flags. Mary apparently lit a cigarette, sneezed, and Lawrence

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<v Speaker 1>reached over to feel her neck area, asking if she

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<v Speaker 1>was sick.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck like that's kind of fucked up? Yeah, no, kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>Weird, but maybe kind of if he thought she was sick,

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have offered to give her a ride, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that I don't want to stick motherfucker in

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<v Speaker 1>my vehicle, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But why would someone's instinct be to reach over

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<v Speaker 2>and grab your neck area when you're sick. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't grab the neck, but i'd be like, are

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<v Speaker 2>you sick? Are you sick? Neck area? You said neck? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like just like felt her neck, Okay, because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>when you said neck area, I'm thinking like kind of collarbone,

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<v Speaker 2>which could be like strangling. Well, if you're going for neck,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking strangling. If you're going lower towards collarbone and

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<v Speaker 2>towards chest, I'm thinking So when you said neck area,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking between those two areas. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was like neck, Okay, like feel I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what exactly he was feeling for, Okay, if someone

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<v Speaker 1>was sick, I guess your neck could be swollen.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a little bit weird. Okay. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>a little more like aggressive than like a sensual Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, No, it was not like sensual. I would

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm not what I gathered.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this alarmed her. And as she didn't like physical contact, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think anyone will like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>soon she was able to relax again, and she decided

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<v Speaker 1>to take a nap. Oh, don't take a nap.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking a nap in the stranger's white creepy van after

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<v Speaker 2>he just made a grabty neck. Okay, let's just keep

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<v Speaker 2>it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I feel like I would do anything h

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<v Speaker 1>to stay awake in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes when you're tired, you're tired. Yeah, But if

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are ever finding yourself in a situation, don't

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<v Speaker 2>take the nap. Don't nap, don't nap. You're probably gonna

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<v Speaker 2>want to open the door, tuck and roll, or eat

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<v Speaker 2>a snack. When I had you should everything eat, that is.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I have trouble, like staying awake, like watching

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, I just need a snack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So when she woke up from her nap, she would

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<v Speaker 1>realize they were not continuing on the route she was expecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Them to travel. Should have had that snack, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>She should have had that snack. This would put her

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<v Speaker 1>on the edge. Scared and angry. She found a sharp

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<v Speaker 1>stick in the car and pointed it at Lawrence demanding

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<v Speaker 1>he turned the van around and take her where she

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<v Speaker 1>was wanting to go for fifteen years old, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>honestly feel like that's quite impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, balls on her, that's impressive. Yeah, good on you, girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence apparently calmly apologized and reassured Mary it was just

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<v Speaker 1>an honest mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Just an honest mistake. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>She believed him, and the ride continued.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Devil's advocate here, even though I know I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to understand her point of view. Someone

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<v Speaker 2>you just met hopping in the vehicle. Maybe he misunderstood

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<v Speaker 2>the direction that you want to go. Maybe he thought

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<v Speaker 2>you said something and not another thing. Depending on how

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<v Speaker 2>much they discussed it, he could have honestly just taken

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<v Speaker 2>a wrong turn as well. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he didn't know where the fuck he was going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I'm not saying it's unreasonable for her to

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<v Speaker 2>trust him again after he says it's an honest mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's very plausible that if this was not a

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<v Speaker 2>serial killer true crime podcast case, it could have been

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<v Speaker 2>an honest missake. It could have been, Yes, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was another red fleck. Yes, right of course.

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<v Speaker 1>And if that hadn't put her on edge enough to

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<v Speaker 1>somehow like if only that had put her on edge

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<v Speaker 1>story enough to have removed her from that situation, like

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<v Speaker 1>I just wish. At one point, Lawrence stopped the man

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the bathroom, so Mary decided to take

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<v Speaker 1>this opportunity as well to stretch her legs. She was

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<v Speaker 1>outside outside of the van stretching her legs. She noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that her shoe was untied, so she leaned down to

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<v Speaker 1>tie it back up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's coming up behind her, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>As she was doing this, Lawrence snuck up behind her

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<v Speaker 1>and stuck struck her across the head with a hammer.

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<v Speaker 2>With a hammer with a hammerly escalated that.

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<v Speaker 1>Alone could have killed her really, like getting hit on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of your head could kill you quite easily, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He then forced his penis into her mouth and told

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<v Speaker 1>her to perform oral sex or else she would die.

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<v Speaker 2>This fucking skis bag like it real escalates here? Wow, okay, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>From here, it doesn't get any better much worse. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence drags Mary to the back of the van, where

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<v Speaker 1>he rapes her, telling her not to scream or he'll

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<v Speaker 1>kill her. He was making it very clear that she

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<v Speaker 1>must obey him if she wanted to leave. After bounding

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's hands behind her, Lawrence drives her a while before

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<v Speaker 1>eventually stopping and cuts Mary free in his van. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not particularly sure what it was, but Lawrence had some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of unknown drink in a plastic jug, probably alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>but who knows if there was some sort of drug

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<v Speaker 1>in there as well, right, he forced Mary to drink it.

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<v Speaker 1>The drink made Mary woozy and confused. Lawrence then rapes

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<v Speaker 1>her once again, repeatedly, actually fuck until she passes out. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>like a disgusting piece of trash.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many levels of absolute fucking I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know how to explain it to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, Okay, like the fact that like he's disgusting, like

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<v Speaker 1>just so disgusting. But also the fact that he has

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<v Speaker 1>like a daughter the same age as Mary almost like

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<v Speaker 1>brings this up a level.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I was going through my head there,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not only that he's like, oh, you know

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<v Speaker 2>she's young and playing off maybe like oh I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how young she was. No, they have that conversation

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<v Speaker 2>of my daughters around your age. So he went into

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<v Speaker 2>this targeting that specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is just beyond disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then after that he goes on to do

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<v Speaker 2>all this fucking horrific shit to her. Yep, wow, yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's a real winner.

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<v Speaker 1>Like just you freaking wait, by the end of this,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna despise him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We're probably just scratching the surface, aren't we. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>When she regained consciousness sometime later, the terror was not

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<v Speaker 1>even close to being over. She pleaded, like pleaded with

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence to set her free. He ordered her to lie

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<v Speaker 1>on the edge of the road. I should mention too,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't mentioned this yet, but at this point, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's buck naked, like completely naked, I assumed. He then

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<v Speaker 1>begins to say, you want to be free, I'll set

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<v Speaker 1>you free, and heads over to the van to grab something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He returns with an axe and proceeds to hold Mary

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<v Speaker 1>down as she struggles, and chops her right arm off.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>He then moves on to her other arm and chops

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<v Speaker 1>it off right.

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<v Speaker 2>Below the elbow.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, that's like it's even tough to say, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even believe that someone would do that. Like

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<v Speaker 1>Mary is literally living a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now. I'm like, I'm only a fraction of mind you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm feeling like those hits as we're speaking right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not feeling the pain, but I'm like the

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<v Speaker 2>discomfort of like, wow, okay, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean it wasn't like it's an axe, like so he

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<v Speaker 1>was chopping, like it wasn't like one hit and like

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<v Speaker 1>it's off. Yeah, Like I honestly the pain that that

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<v Speaker 1>that that would be Oh, I just I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just can't holy shit. Okay wow. He then throws, could

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<v Speaker 2>have warned us heavy, it's heavy. It's heavy. Yeah, no kidding,

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<v Speaker 2>everything we cover is heavy. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You

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<v Speaker 2>have a warning at the beginning. Do you need me

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<v Speaker 2>to repeat it for you? No, No, you're right. There

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely a warning at the beginning. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>not prepared. Okay, I got my big boy pants on.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I shared really anything of this case

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<v Speaker 1>with you, So no, I didn't. Sorry, I should have

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<v Speaker 1>warned you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good, It's all good.

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<v Speaker 1>He then throws Mary's naked and battered body down a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty foot embankment and stuffs are into a concrete pipe, saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're free. What leaving her there to die. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>in his mind there was zero chance that she would survive. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what he had done to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, clearly. If there's anything that we just learned from

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<v Speaker 2>Alice and BOTHA, people can survive some incredible things. People

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<v Speaker 2>are amazing. Yeah. And if there's anything I've ever learned

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<v Speaker 2>from cinema is if someone leaves someone to die, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a chance they will not die. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So we've had that conversation on any moment. Oh, if

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<v Speaker 2>they don't show the person actually dying, they're not dead,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. And you remind me of that so often

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm like no, and I'm like, they didn't show

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So now being that this is a badass victim

423
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<v Speaker 1>survival case, I have said that clearly. I have a

424
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<v Speaker 1>quote I wanted to share from Mary herself.

425
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<v Speaker 2>She's clearly the badass.

426
00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Of the day, right, more than the badass of the day. Yeah,

427
00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.039
<v Speaker 1>like whoa. She says, he threw me off a cliff.

428
00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.519
<v Speaker 1>I should have broken bones, I should have bled to death.

429
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.039
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, and I never passed out. I remember everything.

430
00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to give up and go to sleep, but

431
00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I felt someone there with me a presence who wanted

432
00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.599
<v Speaker 1>me to survive, a voice that told me get up

433
00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.799
<v Speaker 1>and get help or someone else would die.

434
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow. So she's not doing this for herself, no, no,

435
00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:28.880
<v Speaker 2>holy shit.

436
00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Her her fight to survive was basically so this monster

437
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.759
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do this to someone else, which is incredible.

438
00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.400
<v Speaker 2>That is beyond incredible. Like you're at your lowest of

439
00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:42.880
<v Speaker 2>your low and your.

440
00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Mindset is to like save someone, save someone else, like wow, wow, shit.

441
00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a fifteen year old girl. Yeah oh yeah.

442
00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's the other thing that's mind blowing is that

443
00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:55.079
<v Speaker 1>she was fifteen.

444
00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe she didn't even pass out. Yeah. Wow,

445
00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I stubbed my toe and I'm like, kill me please.

446
00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I know. This just makes me feel like sometimes I

447
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.960
<v Speaker 1>should just never complain about anything.

448
00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding, but wow, Okay, continue.

449
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:14.720
<v Speaker 1>So I should mention too that the area Mary ended

450
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:19.480
<v Speaker 1>up being in was Dell Porta Canyon. Okay, So Mary

451
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:23.799
<v Speaker 1>miss mustered the strength to stand up and walk herself

452
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:28.480
<v Speaker 1>out of this situation. Wow, and she had Okay, get this,

453
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:33.000
<v Speaker 1>she had some amazing survival skills because she ended up

454
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:38.119
<v Speaker 1>shoving the ends of her arms into mud to suppress

455
00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the bleeding.

456
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:43.799
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Yeah, Wow, that is some good fucking instincts.

457
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Because I don't I don't think that I would thought

458
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<v Speaker 1>of that.

459
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would have thought of that either, Like,

460
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I like, that's just wow. Wow. H I would have

461
00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>been like I would have been trying to stop the bleeding,

462
00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think I would have ever thought.

463
00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you would have elevated, Yeah, but I don't

464
00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>know if you would like because like I mean, she

465
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.000
<v Speaker 1>would have had to been like submerging them. Like it's

466
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 1>not like she can use her freaking hand to coat it.

467
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:11.319
<v Speaker 2>And shaitaking a raw stop and grinding it into blood yep.

468
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck? Is she like Superwoman? I know? Right? Wow.

469
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:22.039
<v Speaker 1>She then followed the sounds of the nearby freeway, all

470
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>while she was raising her arms as well above her

471
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<v Speaker 1>head to keep the blading to a minimum. From the

472
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:31.400
<v Speaker 1>concrete pipe to her rescue. It was said she walked

473
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<v Speaker 1>a total of three miles in the state that she

474
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>was in. Shit like that is an eternity and let

475
00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:42.000
<v Speaker 1>me refresh your memory. Because she had been hit on

476
00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the back of the head initially repeatedly raped basically over

477
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.079
<v Speaker 1>the span of the night, forced to drink some sort

478
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<v Speaker 1>of alcohol substance and had her arms chopped off with

479
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:58.200
<v Speaker 1>an axe. Wow, I mean, I don't know. I I

480
00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 1>honestly like I sepo, I think would be like I'm done,

481
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm out right.

482
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow.

483
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.559
<v Speaker 1>So I believe like the presence of someone must have

484
00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>been with her, like she said, because that is impressive.

485
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.200
<v Speaker 2>That's superhuman, That's what that is.

486
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 1>The first people she came across on the freeway, unfortunately,

487
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.440
<v Speaker 1>after getting a glimpse of her, sped away in fear.

488
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:23.359
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

489
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean? She would have been a sight. She was

490
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 1>completely nude, covered in blood and mud, not to mention

491
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.279
<v Speaker 1>what the severed limbs would look like. She would have

492
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.559
<v Speaker 1>been like a terrifying site. And she even later says

493
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:39.119
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't blame them.

494
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.480
<v Speaker 2>She would have been a terrifying site, for sure. I

495
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.799
<v Speaker 2>understand that. But someone who literally has their arms lopped off,

496
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:49.400
<v Speaker 2>what are they going to do?

497
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I know she would not have been of any threat

498
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>threat that's the word. But like maybe like she like

499
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't even look human, really like she would have looked

500
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>like she was from like a scary movie.

501
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Still, I don't know. So that they rove around her,

502
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, nuts ship there's a few parallels to their stories.

503
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then she came across a couple who was traveling

504
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>on vacation, and they did stop to help her. The

505
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 1>saints that they were wrapped her in linens from their

506
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 1>car and drove to a nearby airport where they could

507
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.599
<v Speaker 1>call an ambulance for help. At that point, all the

508
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.839
<v Speaker 1>strength Mary could muster was to keep saying that he

509
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:33.279
<v Speaker 1>raped me repeatedly.

510
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Fuck poor girl. Holy shit.

511
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Once Mary got to the hospital, her bad assery continued,

512
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and she immediately started working with the police to help

513
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 1>and find her attacker, even postponing her sleep and rest

514
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>to get shit done. Wow, they drew a sketch. So

515
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the sketch that was drawn of Lawrence was so detailed

516
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that once it was released to the media. Yeah, he

517
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 1>was immediately recognized and reported to the police, really immediately.

518
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Do we know who recognized him and reported him?

519
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Some like, there's a lot of things that were reports

520
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>say different stuff, but the main one said that it

521
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>was his neighbor who was also like a friend of his. Okay, shit,

522
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>so I meant, I mean, at that point I think

523
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>it'd be friends off.

524
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, imagine being like, oh shit, that's my neighbor and friend.

525
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Imagine the fucking horror going through your head. You report them, though,

526
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>wuldn't you? Oh? Fuck yeah, yeah, report them? But I

527
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 2>would be like, I've been friends with this person, I've

528
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 2>been close with this person. What could they have done

529
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 2>to me? This person has a fifteen year old daughter,

530
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 2>same age as what he just did. This fucking unbelievable

531
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.400
<v Speaker 2>shit to this person. What has he done to this family? Like,

532
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:54.319
<v Speaker 2>oh my god?

533
00:27:54.599 --> 00:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. Lawrence was then tracked down and arrested. There

534
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 1>isn't a ton of information in regards to his trial.

535
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 1>He claimed that Mary was a ten dollars a night whorer,

536
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>so a sex worker, and didn't take any responsibility for

537
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the crime he committed, which honestly isn't really surprising.

538
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.279
<v Speaker 2>No, he just got even lower and I didn't think

539
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that was possible.

540
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, just you fucking wait. He also claimed there

541
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 1>had been someone else in the car, taking more blame

542
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>off himself. Despite everything Mary had been through, she testified

543
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>in court against Lawrence. Prior to court, she had been

544
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 1>fitted with prosthetics, so in court she pointed one of

545
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>her hooked prosthetic arms at Lawrence indicated who her attacker was.

546
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>She never once referred to him by name, but always

547
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>only as my attacker, which I do like. She never

548
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>gave him the dignity of having a name. Really, it

549
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>was just attack her.

550
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's not a person, and I.

551
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Even like hate saying his name.

552
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.559
<v Speaker 2>It's like she's literally taking the humanity away from him,

553
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 2>which fucking shows even more strength on her. Like holy shit, yeap, wow,

554
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 2>this girl is fucking awesome.

555
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, love, she's amazing. After testifying, Mary quickly left

556
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom. As she was leaving, Lawrence very quietly mentioned

557
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 1>something to her. He later admitted that what he said

558
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.240
<v Speaker 1>to her was I'll finish this job if it takes

559
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>me the rest of my life.

560
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck, fuck this guy.

561
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, like I it's unbelievable, Like it's

562
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:51.039
<v Speaker 1>almost unbelievable here. Lawrence was convicted of multiple charges, including kidnapping,

563
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 1>tempted murder, and rape, and was sentenced to the maximum

564
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>sentence of fourteen years.

565
00:29:59.680 --> 00:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Why.

566
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>The judge remarked that if they had the power, would

567
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:09.119
<v Speaker 1>have sent him away for his whole life for that years.

568
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>That was at the time the maximum sentence he could

569
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 1>have received.

570
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Rely, shit, and you said, he admitted to saying that

571
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>he's going to finish the job.

572
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, holy fuck, it gets worsted. Just keep listening here.

573
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh Okay.

574
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Mary had a tough time. I mean, the age of

575
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 1>around fifteen is hard enough without having gone through what

576
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>she did. Yeah, like, you're kind of just learning who

577
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the fuck you are really. She had trouble with her family,

578
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 1>a tough time at school, and felt isolated and attended

579
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 1>therapy for years. As soon as Mary graduated, she moved

580
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>from her home, but she was always very secretive about

581
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.839
<v Speaker 1>her life and location and had trouble leaving her house.

582
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Rightfully, so, especially when in fourteen years, this fucking slima

583
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 2>was going to be there probably after you. Yeah, I'm

584
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 2>waiting for it and I know what's going to be coming.

585
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 1>She had a lot of fear towards Lawrence, which got

586
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>real fresh once again when he was released from prison

587
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>after serving eight years fuck of his fourteen year sentence.

588
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Now this is going to be basically part two of

589
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>her fucking horror story, because now she has a killer

590
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>chasing her the fuck down right.

591
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Not to them, no, no, fuck, not quite. He was

592
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 1>released early for good behavior, what like, I honestly don't

593
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>care if he was an angel in there, no kidding,

594
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 1>There is no way he should have been released early,

595
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>considering what he did and what he had said to

596
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Marry in the court room.

597
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>You were like, I'm so angry, I honestly missed. How

598
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>long did he actually serve? Eight years? Eight years? Eight years?

599
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Eight years? Fuck? And once he was released, guess what

600
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>he did? Went and fucking chased her down.

601
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 1>No, this is this is wild, he sued Mary. What okay,

602
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be laughing at your freaking we need to

603
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 1>be recording your face here. He felt he was the

604
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.759
<v Speaker 1>victim in the attack against Mary, and sued her for

605
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>forcible kidnap for the purpose of robbery. He claimed he

606
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 1>considered the alleged events and knew he was not guilty,

607
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>saying he remembered Mary threatening to accuse him of rape

608
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 1>and that she had held a stick to him. He

609
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 1>felt that was the reason he had become violent.

610
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>So therefore that gives him the right to chop off

611
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>both her arms, kick her down a fucking cliff, and

612
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>store her in a culvert. Even if even if what

613
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 2>he says is true, now he has gone from self

614
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>defense to fucking attempted murderer. It's as simple as that.

615
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, honestly, that blew my mind that he literally had

616
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the audacity to turn this around and think he's the victim.

617
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.799
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about some fucking, absolutely aroundous people on this podcast,

618
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely fucking disgusting. I honestly think this is the worst

619
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 2>fucking excuse for a human being who's I've ever even

620
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>learned about.

621
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh just yeah, wait till you see him. He just

622
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 1>is disgusting. He's disgusting.

623
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck.

624
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Thankfully the suit never gained traction and the courts dismissed it. Yeah,

625
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>like it needed to have been a laughing matter.

626
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Really, Oh god.

627
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>There were many people upset about Lawrence's release. No one

628
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:50.319
<v Speaker 1>wanted him living in their town. Angry crowds would protest. Yeah,

629
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 1>they made it so he wasn't welcome to rejoin society

630
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 1>for his one year parole, and he had to live

631
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 1>in a trailer on the grounds of the San Quentin

632
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Prison until his parole ended. His own daughter wanted him

633
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.400
<v Speaker 1>to remain in bars, which says a lot a lot.

634
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.039
<v Speaker 1>She she spoke at length about the nature of her

635
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.360
<v Speaker 1>father and what he was like as a dad. Upon

636
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>his release, she had fled and hid an asked law

637
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>enforcement if there was any way they could keep him

638
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 1>behind bars for longer. This is a quote from his daughter.

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00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I asked California prison personnel what could be done to

640
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 1>keep him in longer, and I was told there was nothing.

641
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>They suggested I obtain a restraining order at the time

642
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 1>of his release. Sorry, but I mean this quite sarcastically.

643
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I tell you he is a danger. I said that

644
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:52.280
<v Speaker 1>before the first crime. I've changed my name multiple times

645
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and in moving across state lines, and you all suggest

646
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a piece of paper that will tell him exactly where

647
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I am, what my name is, and not to come

648
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>within the three hundred feet of me.

649
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow, she's got a very strong argument there. Yeah.

650
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you might have noticed in that quote it

651
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>says first crime, yeah, indicating there may be more.

652
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get to that in a minute. I first

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to mention that due to the outrage and the

655
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 1>support from Mary, California passed a new bill in nineteen

656
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 1>eighty seven. It was called the Singleton Bill, which prevents

657
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 1>the early release of offenders who have committed a crime

658
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.199
<v Speaker 1>with torture when torture is used, and carries a twenty

659
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.280
<v Speaker 1>five year to life sentence.

660
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Good fucking right.

661
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>But like, I almost have trouble with that because, like,

662
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>my god, if you have a bill like named and

663
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 1>passed because of a crime that you committed, does that

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<v Speaker 1>not mean that maybe you can be kept in prison,

665
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 1>you would think. So.

666
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 2>The problem is with something like that is like he's

667
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 2>gone through court, he's already had his trial, that's his

668
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.719
<v Speaker 2>fair trial. Just because a law has changed afterwards doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean you can go back.

670
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if it's changed because of him and his

671
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Actually I totally get you.

672
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I'm just arguing for the sake

673
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 2>of laws, sake on logistics, you know what I mean.

674
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I know I know exactly what you're doing about it.

675
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Just it blows my mind. Yeah, it's bullshit, And if

676
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 1>only they did. After Lawrence finished his parole, he returned

677
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to Florida, where he was from, and in nineteen ninety

678
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 1>he was convicted twice a theft in which he served

679
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.400
<v Speaker 1>time for. But that was nothing compared to what he

680
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:44.519
<v Speaker 1>did upon his release of those crimes.

681
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

682
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 1>In the spring of nineteen ninety seven, Lawrence was reported

683
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>as seen assaulting a woman in his home in Sulfur

684
00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:00.039
<v Speaker 1>Springs when police responded. Lawrence was covered in blood and

685
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 1>they found Roxanne Haines dead inside fuck off.

686
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 2>She had been.

687
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Stabbed multiple times. Roxanne was a sex worker, but more importantly,

688
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>a mother of three and the provider for her family.

689
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. So someone who's literally just trying to make

690
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>ends meet for their family and he just yeap. Holy shit.

691
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean it honestly, like I have goosebumps right now,

692
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>but like it was inevitable that he would reoffend.

693
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding, Please please tell me then he's permanently

694
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.159
<v Speaker 2>behind Bars's time.

695
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Mary traveled from California to Tampa on the state's dime

696
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to testify against Lawrence once again and had to share

697
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 1>the details of her attack and the toll is taken

698
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 1>on her life over the years. She was not obligated

699
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 1>to do that, but she was, like, I'm doing that.

700
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence was sentenced to death, but died in two thousand

701
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and one at the age of seventy one from cancer

702
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:02.679
<v Speaker 1>or seventy four, sorry, from cancer.

703
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.800
<v Speaker 2>He's dead. Good, Yeah, he's dead. I don't like, don't

704
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 2>get me wrong. I don't want to sit here and

705
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 2>wish death upon anyone. However, he deserves to fucking rot.

706
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>He does not deserve to be in fucking society. He does.

707
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.800
<v Speaker 2>He got what he deserved. Period.

708
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Some people like, I mean, I get rehabilitation, I get it,

709
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.280
<v Speaker 1>I get it. And some people can be rehabilitated, but

710
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 1>then there are a lot of people that fucking cannot.

711
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>No, they can't. And there's there's actual studies on some

712
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 2>people with with severe mental issues, on things like who

713
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 2>aren't legit psychopaths, And there's documents or sorry, there's documentaries documentaries.

714
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 2>What's documentation documentaries? It just sounded really weird when I

715
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 2>said anyways, there's films on people who are behind bars

716
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>who've committed murders again and again and again, and they're like, yeah,

717
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>don't let me out because I will fucking kill again.

718
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 1>That's so bad, because I mean, honestly, if anyone was

719
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>to have any empathy to anyone, it would be like.

720
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 2>A father.

721
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Against a kid, a girl kid the same age as

722
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 1>his own. Like that just shows to me, like how

723
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>much of a monster he is.

724
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, there's clearly some sort of chemical imbalance

725
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>or disconnect somewhere within his brain, like you'd have to

726
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 2>to be able to commit something so horrendous like.

727
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>That, And honestly, Mary needed that death like she needed

728
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 1>him to die, because that gave her some sense of closure.

729
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, she needed that. Well, she'd be living for

730
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:45.960
<v Speaker 2>the rest of her life looking over her shoulder.

731
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Today, Mary is a mother of two boys. Her life

732
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 1>has began to change for the better, and she has

733
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>begun to heal and establish close relationships as her new

734
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 1>family became her life. Along with being a victim's advocate

735
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 1>in support of victims' rights, Mary is also an artist.

736
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>As she described it, she's entering what she thinks of

737
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>as her third face. First she was a victim, then

738
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 1>a survivor, and now she's an artist. Being that she

739
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>has no hands though this is like quite a feat right.

740
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.639
<v Speaker 1>She's used spare parts from broken down electronics to modify

741
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 1>her prosthetics into custom designs that work for her and

742
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>work for what she wants to do, which is amazing awesome.

743
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Her focus as an artist is to paint powerfully upbeat women.

744
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>She creates her own version of female action figures. She

745
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 1>also takes individual portraits for commission. She's happy to be

746
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 1>moved past the label cast on her. While Lawrence was

747
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>still alive, most people know her today because of who

748
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.280
<v Speaker 1>she is, not because of what happened to her her

749
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and assumed she was born the way she is.

750
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

751
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's the story of Mary Vincent.

752
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 2>So she's officially moved on from from her past. She's

753
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.199
<v Speaker 2>an artist now, she's a mother now, and she's she's Mary.

754
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because I mean, there that is something terrible

755
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>that happened to her. And I don't even think anyone

756
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>would judge if like her life took a different turn.

757
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, rightfully. So, I mean something like that that's

758
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 2>gonna wear a lot of people down, and she's not

759
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 2>even letting it hear down anymore. So, but like you say,

760
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.039
<v Speaker 2>his death probably was a big relief off her shoulder.

761
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:45.199
<v Speaker 2>That probably set her free.

762
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean, honestly, like it would he would

763
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:52.199
<v Speaker 1>have just done more. Like I honestly think that he

764
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>might have even done more, probably just hasn't never been found.

765
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 2>There is some irony in that actually, because she wanted

766
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 2>to be let free and he's like, well now you're

767
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.320
<v Speaker 2>free when he tried to kill her, but she was

768
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 2>actually freed in his death. Yeah, there's some in that, actually,

769
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 2>there is.

770
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But honestly, like an incredible, superhuman and it just

771
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.760
<v Speaker 1>makes you feel like wow, like if you put your

772
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>mind to something, you can do some powerful shit.

773
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, so wow, good on her for surviving. Mary.

774
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm really not expecting you to listen, but if you

775
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.800
<v Speaker 2>ever listen to this, holy shit, good on you. You're

776
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:42.599
<v Speaker 2>an inspiration, inspiration, incredibly strong, keep keep being you. Wow,

777
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>there you go, So thanks so much for listening. Yeah,

778
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.559
<v Speaker 2>with that being said, we have Instagram, we have Facebook.

779
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00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:53.639
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00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.880
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782
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.800
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783
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.199
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784
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.039
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00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:06.559
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786
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.760
<v Speaker 2>push and get it out to more people too. So

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00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.639
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for everything you do for us,

788
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and as always, as always, stay wicked.