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Speaker 1: Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Greetings, Bobo, Greetings are you Cliff. I'm alright, man, spread
Speaker 2: a little too thin as usual, but this is an
Speaker 2: exceptionally thin day. I'm headed to Ohio tomorrow morning. I've
Speaker 2: got a five twenty five or something am flight, which
Speaker 2: means I have to wake up at two am tonight.
Speaker 4: You must, you must hardly meet anyone new it at
Speaker 4: the Ohio because it's like the same people every year.
Speaker 4: It seems like, you know, when you go, it's like
Speaker 4: you meet like a few of you. But it's like
Speaker 4: just seeing like little friend the whole time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah it is. Actually, that's part of the
Speaker 2: reason I like the job so much, is because so
Speaker 2: many people there I enjoy the company of It's it's
Speaker 2: like a home game. I guess that's what I call
Speaker 2: squatch Fest up in Washington because it's only an hour
Speaker 2: and a half for me. But Ohio's kind of oh,
Speaker 2: how a big Foot conference is one of those home games,
Speaker 2: you know, where the regulars show up and we get
Speaker 2: to hang out. So and of course, you know, the
Speaker 2: lineup this year is really great too. So it'll be
Speaker 2: good to see not only the speakers, but some generally
Speaker 2: old friends like John Wilk for example, Squatcha Chuses is
Speaker 2: going to be there, and a variety of other good
Speaker 2: folks in general. But man, just between Colorado last weekend,
Speaker 2: been home for two or three earth three days and
Speaker 2: that now going to Ohio and then everything else in between,
Speaker 2: you know, with the work and the business, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on, just a tremendous amount going
Speaker 2: on at this moment. So and so in one way,
Speaker 2: it's good that I'm going to Ohio because I can
Speaker 2: leave some of this behind for a minute. But it's
Speaker 2: also bad because I have to leave some of this
Speaker 2: behind for a minute. So so taken care of it
Speaker 2: right there. Hand basket, Oh yeah, pretty much hell in
Speaker 2: a hand basket some days, you know.
Speaker 4: That's where I'm going to my hand basket.
Speaker 2: Right. At least I'm enjoying the ride, so they say,
Speaker 2: at least I'm in John there you are there you are. So.
Speaker 2: I was in Colorado last week. Maybe ever done that gig,
Speaker 2: the Estes Park gig I did the first year, Me
Speaker 2: and Melgrim did it together. Oh nice, it's a good gig, man.
Speaker 2: I mean it was great. I loved it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: just so beautiful there and the weather was gorgeous. It's
Speaker 2: like sixty degrees and sunny all day. It wasn't too windy,
Speaker 2: I was to say.
Speaker 4: When I was out there, I went with Lee and
Speaker 4: Jen Kirkland from Creepy People. They took me and their son.
Speaker 4: We cruised out to God if you just got the name.
Speaker 4: It's an old gold rush town. It's in a long,
Speaker 4: skinny valley. It's like full of casinos and stuff. It's
Speaker 4: like a huge terroist area. We went out there was
Speaker 4: it was totally like the road had just opened because
Speaker 4: it's been closed because of storms. So we were like
Speaker 4: it was totally empty out there, Like we were hitting
Speaker 4: the casinos and buffets and stuff just with no one there.
Speaker 2: Was pretty cool. Nice. Yeah, we didn't do anything like that,
Speaker 2: but we did go to the Stanley Hotel. You know,
Speaker 2: did you see that when you're there? Yeah? Yeah, of course. Whatever.
Speaker 2: It's an old hotel. It's basically what it comes down to. Okay,
Speaker 2: sure it's haunted or whatever in some rooms, I don't
Speaker 2: care about that. They've got a cool whiskey place, I
Speaker 2: guess in there, but you know, looking around, I'm not
Speaker 2: a whiskey conna sewer. I do like bourbon, but I'm
Speaker 2: not a conna sewer necessarily. But even I recognized a
Speaker 2: lot of the labels on there, so I thought that
Speaker 2: was odd. But yeah, it was old, cool hotel. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I guess the real
Speaker 2: hook of it all is that that was the building
Speaker 2: they used for the internal shots on the shining, so
Speaker 2: that's kind of neat to go there if they have
Speaker 2: a bunch of shining stuff. And then of course up
Speaker 2: on my mountain that I can literally see out my
Speaker 2: window at this very moment, the Timberline Lodge up there.
Speaker 2: That's the external shots for the shining. So kind of
Speaker 2: best of both worlds there. Yeah, good time though, hung
Speaker 2: out with Maria, had breakfas with her and Lee and
Speaker 2: Jennifer a couple of times, hung out with Russ. Good
Speaker 2: to see him as well. Just generally good. Oh oh,
Speaker 2: here's something that's kind of interesting I'm gonna leave all
Speaker 2: names out of this, But I believe, I believe, I suspect,
Speaker 2: I should say, but I believe it. But I also
Speaker 2: suspect it. I have no proof, I've got no verification
Speaker 2: or anything like that, But I suspect I met the
Speaker 2: guy who was in the suit for the Colorado train video. Oh,
Speaker 2: I suspect. I suspect.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get those guys any props.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't. You know. The thing is, I don't
Speaker 2: think he was the hoaxer. I think he has a
Speaker 2: habit of the guy there had that suit, that very
Speaker 2: you know style suit, which is a commercially available suit.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things when that came out, I
Speaker 2: recognize it so well, that's a commercially available suit. But
Speaker 2: yet these people out there and lots of people who
Speaker 2: consider themselves bigfoot investigators, which is a scary part because
Speaker 2: that's one thing for Joe Public to say, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was like a bigfoot, it was moving, it was bipedal.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was one, or I believe it was one
Speaker 2: because I wanted to be one. But for people who
Speaker 2: prop themselves up, is you know, God's gift to bigfoot
Speaker 2: research and such saying that that was a real piece
Speaker 2: of footage when it was a commercially available suit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a tough one, you know, because I mean Moneymaker
Speaker 2: said it best. In order to be an expert in
Speaker 2: bigfoot videos, you have to be an expert in fake
Speaker 2: bigfoot videos. And of course the easiest way to fake
Speaker 2: one is getting commercially available suit, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's been a couple of pretty high profile cases where
Speaker 2: this thing was a commercially available suit, like the Colorado one.
Speaker 2: I can name a few others. I won't, but I
Speaker 2: could name a handful of others that it was clearly
Speaker 2: a suit you can buy, like on Amazon or something
Speaker 2: like that, and people bought into it and I don't know,
Speaker 2: but anyway, Yeah, this guy has a he's into the
Speaker 2: bigfoot thing. He apparently even I guess, sometimes goes into
Speaker 2: the National park wearing the suit because there's no.
Speaker 4: Guns, because that's the last place you're going to get shot.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of smart, kind of yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a smart way to do it. I wouldn't do
Speaker 2: in the National Fur. I wouldn't do it anyway, but
Speaker 2: certainly in the National forest that would be a no go.
Speaker 2: But just because national parks don't allow guns or you know,
Speaker 2: if they do, then it's kind of low pro like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that people don't have them in there.
Speaker 1: They do allow firearms. There's no hunting in national parks,
Speaker 1: but all national parks are pursuing to state laws as
Speaker 1: pertains like personal carry.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know if I would be running
Speaker 2: around in a big any first suit out in the woods.
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't dress up as a deer and
Speaker 2: do it either exactly. But anyway, Yeah, nice enough guy.
Speaker 2: And again he didn't necessarily hoax, I don't. I mean
Speaker 2: now that I met the guy and talked to him
Speaker 2: for a few minutes, and again I don't even know
Speaker 2: if he did it. I have no idea if he
Speaker 2: did it at all, but based on his non answers,
Speaker 2: I suspect he might be responsible for that. But if
Speaker 2: this guy's running around just for fun anyway, and some
Speaker 2: tourists sees them and films them, is that really a hoax?
Speaker 2: It depends what was your tent on wearing the suit.
Speaker 2: I think it's just for fun. That's a fun hoax, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but hoax? Like is that really? Maybe? Maybe it is?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a fine line.
Speaker 4: I think if you're wearing if you go out wearing
Speaker 4: a big foot suit in the woods for your personal pleasure,
Speaker 4: that would not be a hoax. But to try to
Speaker 4: fool someone that classifies it in the hoax realm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure this guy's trying to fool people.
Speaker 2: I think it's just having fun and hoping that other
Speaker 2: people have fun seeing a guy in a suit. That's
Speaker 2: my take on it, you know, And then again, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm naive. I've been accused of that before. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of interesting. But again, I
Speaker 2: don't even know if that was the guy. I have
Speaker 2: no idea, no idea at all, but based on his
Speaker 2: non answers, I suspect it probably was. But again I'm
Speaker 2: wrong a lot. Who knows, who cares. The real lesson
Speaker 2: of all that Colorado train hoax thing, anyway, was dear homework.
Speaker 2: You know, look at these commercial suits and make sure
Speaker 2: that you're not saying that one of those is real.
Speaker 2: So yeah, great gig, though, I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so our guests. We couldn't get our guests lined
Speaker 4: up to this. I guess I was just going to
Speaker 4: do some Q and A.
Speaker 2: It looks like, yeah, we're going to the make Q
Speaker 2: and A because we had a difficult time with communication
Speaker 2: getting this guy lined up, but hopefully we can do
Speaker 2: that in the next couple of weeks. I think that'll
Speaker 2: be a real treat for everyone. We won't tell you
Speaker 2: who it is, but I'll tell you everyone will enjoy
Speaker 2: this one. I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Picture like the funnest folks in Bigfoot and having one
Speaker 2: of those folks on, I think you'd really really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: But we'll just leave it at that. Yeah, and everybody
Speaker 2: can guess what that happens to be. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: albody has a guess already. Yeah, So what are our
Speaker 2: wonderful listeners wondering out there? Brew it?
Speaker 1: Well, this one, I'm just going to get it out
Speaker 1: of the way first because it's a it's a pretty
Speaker 1: tough question.
Speaker 2: It's a real brainbuster. So I'll let you guys handle
Speaker 2: it as you will.
Speaker 5: Hell II and beyond, I would just like to give
Speaker 5: a question to you guys. I watch a show called
Speaker 5: Regular Show, and there's a question in one single episode,
Speaker 5: who would win in a fight? A robo bigfoot or
Speaker 5: a two headed dinosaur. I'm going to ask you guys
Speaker 5: that question, who would win in a fight bigfoot, two
Speaker 5: headed dinosaur? Thank you?
Speaker 2: Is that robo robo bigfoot? Exactly? It's a robo bigfoot? Well, okay,
Speaker 2: I thought it was bobo bigfoot or a two headed dinosaur.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of That question begs a
Speaker 2: lot of questions.
Speaker 4: I think, well I asked that question is the first
Speaker 4: question that posts in my mind.
Speaker 2: You should we talk about who should have been a
Speaker 2: fight between.
Speaker 4: A big brown bear and a big bigfoot because we've
Speaker 4: got some stories on that.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 1: I think you were stumped by that question. Is why
Speaker 1: you're denigrating it so heavily.
Speaker 2: Dude, dinosaur?
Speaker 4: I mean, dinosaurs were the size of my big toe
Speaker 4: all the way up, like the biggest thing that ever
Speaker 4: lived on earth.
Speaker 2: Well, this person doesn't say how big the robo bigfoot
Speaker 2: was unless you said a real big big foot. Now
Speaker 2: he said a robo bigfoot, as in robot bigfoot. What
Speaker 2: about like Mecca Godzilla? Right, I mean that's a pretty
Speaker 2: big robot. Can you make a big foot that big?
Speaker 1: I think Bobo's job has made him sour to the youth,
Speaker 1: because I thought he would find that question endearing.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, Bubba's now suffering from the same thing that
Speaker 2: so many teachers suffer from, but in a different flavor,
Speaker 2: one aspect of the same problem. One manifestation of the
Speaker 2: same problem. Is teachers sometimes have a hard time naming
Speaker 2: their own children because whatever they want to name them,
Speaker 2: they can think of a student with that name. And
Speaker 2: I don't grumble. I work with children. Well is this
Speaker 2: kid's then that?
Speaker 4: Just ask that one Toby? Okay, old Toby.
Speaker 2: Is he sounds very young? Forty three? Not that robo
Speaker 2: bigfoot or two headed dinosaur. Well, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go with robo Bigfoot, assuming that they're approximately
Speaker 2: the same sizes, no matter how big that is. Whether
Speaker 2: we're talking about chicken sized dinosaurs, because chickens are dinosaurs
Speaker 2: after all, or we're talking about house size dinosaurs, and
Speaker 2: as long as the bigfoot is the same size, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go with that. Because robots don't feel pain,
Speaker 2: they're programmed to do whatever they do, and they could
Speaker 2: be programmed to fight to the finish, et cetera. So
Speaker 2: I'm going with that. I'm going to say technology over biology,
Speaker 2: given the same size limits. Do you want even answer, Bobs,
Speaker 2: do you want even dignify this one with an answer? No?
Speaker 2: I got it for sure. There you go, Thank you,
Speaker 2: we have there's robo Bigfoot or robo Bobo right there.
Speaker 1: Classic Well, I like the question, Thank you, Toby, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Listening to the podcast. Bobo had a staff meeting today,
Speaker 2: That's why he's in such a bad mood. I love
Speaker 2: the bad news. We've got time for that nonsense. Stay
Speaker 2: tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo
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Speaker 1: so let me grab the next voicemail here, Hey.
Speaker 7: Cliff and Bobo, this is Aaron wondering what would be
Speaker 7: the best way to find some of the old Bigfoot
Speaker 7: reports slash sightings in my area talking back, you know,
Speaker 7: as far as maybe even nineteen fifties. That'd be very helpful,
Speaker 7: thank you.
Speaker 4: I'd say the BFO database and the Bigfoot Mapping Project.
Speaker 4: That's they've put a bunch of old squat stutings plus
Speaker 4: new ones like from the BFO database, John Greens database.
Speaker 4: They put a lot on there, and all those are
Speaker 4: just a drop in the bucket for how many reports,
Speaker 4: like how many experiences and suitings there actually is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to add to that John Green's book
Speaker 2: Apes among Us because he that book was the result
Speaker 2: of a cross country road trip by John Green and
Speaker 2: someone else I forget who was with him, and kind
Speaker 2: of visiting various places throughout the United States that he
Speaker 2: had received letters from witnesses from and at that time,
Speaker 2: like in the early seventies, around let's say nineteen seventy,
Speaker 2: give or take a few years, most of the early
Speaker 2: researchers didn't think, they didn't necessarily think there were sasquatches
Speaker 2: anywhere outside the Pacific Northwest. But John Green was getting
Speaker 2: letters and reports and stuff, so he set out to
Speaker 2: verify some of these and speak to some witnesses face
Speaker 2: to face. And that's kind of what that book is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot. There's a little bit more,
Speaker 2: you know. There's a couple chapters about his time in
Speaker 2: Bluff Creek in the early days and the Pacific Northwest
Speaker 2: Expedition and what they are and crunching the data and
Speaker 2: is a pretty primitive computer that he used back in
Speaker 2: for data analysis. It's a great book and honestly, everybody
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast should really owned that book anyway.
Speaker 2: It's kind of one of the books that it is
Speaker 2: a standard in every library. Every Bigfoot library has this book. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm not exaggerating. If you have any library at all
Speaker 2: about Bigfoot, that book is in there.
Speaker 1: One of our pigeons and a friend of the podcast,
Speaker 1: Mike Crachy, just made a digitized version of John Green's
Speaker 1: database for the web, so it's searchable, but there's also
Speaker 1: a map feature so you can pull up a map
Speaker 1: and click report. So I will link that in the
Speaker 1: show notes. He literally just sent that to me a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago as he finished it.
Speaker 2: Awesome. That's killer. He's approached Beak for helping out with
Speaker 2: some of our needs at the NABC as far as
Speaker 2: databases goes, So we're gonna be talking to him more
Speaker 2: and more in the next hopefully the next couple of months,
Speaker 2: once my schedule kind of relaxes a little bit in May, so.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna relax. You're gonna have tons of customers
Speaker 4: coming in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't have to cover hours. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm there three or four days a week anyway, but
Speaker 2: I won't have to cover hours. That sounds like a
Speaker 2: good summer to be Cliff. Yeah, it's all right. I've
Speaker 2: got some cool things planned. They're going to be down
Speaker 2: in Bluff actually in June. Oh cool. Y'll reach out
Speaker 2: to you, let you know where and win and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff in case you have any time.
Speaker 2: I got out with Bart Sunday night.
Speaker 4: He's gonna stop by his way up to Washington.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got to call him back. He's gonna
Speaker 2: be dropping by on the way back down, I guess.
Speaker 2: And that's but us right in the middle of things.
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure if I'll be able to go
Speaker 2: out for a couple of nights or something, because Melissa's
Speaker 2: going storm chasing, I guess in the middle of May,
Speaker 2: and I just can't leave the dog. I could take
Speaker 2: so cheap. But man, she's getting old.
Speaker 4: I think one of our pigeons is going with her. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think so, Suzanne. Yeah, I'm excited for her.
Speaker 2: She's got she's got to be.
Speaker 4: I can just imagine she's gotta be like a kindergartener
Speaker 4: getting like a Christmas morning present, just so excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very excited. And you know how part of
Speaker 2: her charm is that, like, you know what, I always
Speaker 2: know what she's thinking about because she's talking about it.
Speaker 2: If she's thinking about it. I have heard so much
Speaker 2: about tornadoes these last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: I'll take I'll take a lot of talk about tornadoes
Speaker 4: over the cat.
Speaker 2: The cat? Do you have a cat?
Speaker 1: Yeah, JUNI, yeah, you remember there was a neighborhood cat
Speaker 1: beaten up on Judy and Bobo put us on hold
Speaker 1: one so he could stalk and hunt it with a
Speaker 1: water gun. But then the water gun was empty.
Speaker 2: Oh I do remember that.
Speaker 6: He's like, hold on you guys, hold you guys, this
Speaker 6: cat's beating up Junior able to get his ass, and
Speaker 6: so we waited patiently, and then he was upset that
Speaker 6: there was no water in the water gun.
Speaker 2: It was an air gun. Huh, Well, all right, shall
Speaker 2: we go to the next question, then let's do it.
Speaker 8: Hello, my name is Larry. I am a school bus
Speaker 8: driver here in Northern Indiana, and the students and I
Speaker 8: were wondering, has there ever been a mass sighting where
Speaker 8: students and the driver had seen a bigfoot? Or just
Speaker 8: a regular bus with people in it ever seeing a bigfoot?
Speaker 8: Thank you, and I'll listen for your answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were some famous bigfoot sightings school buses where
Speaker 4: everyone saw it, But you don't really hear much of
Speaker 4: that anymore. I don't know, because I haven't heard of
Speaker 4: one of those in at least ten years.
Speaker 1: Of you guys, Well, there was one famous one I
Speaker 1: think from Canada, like British Columbia, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: But then it turned out to be a guy in
Speaker 1: a suit. You guys remember that story. I think Green
Speaker 1: wrote about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to Hindon did a big chapter on that in
Speaker 2: his book. Actually, yeah, gotcha. Yeah, it turned out to
Speaker 2: be a hoax, And I think that was one of
Speaker 2: the turning points for some of the older folks, you know,
Speaker 2: some of the original bigfoot researchers, to Hinden and Green
Speaker 2: and those folks and really really scrutinizing everything and thinking
Speaker 2: everything was a hoax before they even thought it was real.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times I think that that was
Speaker 2: one of the things that tipped the scale towards what's
Speaker 2: the word I'm looking forward, cynicism, So yeah, cynicism. There
Speaker 2: you go, Thank you.
Speaker 1: There is one story that comes to mind that involved
Speaker 1: a bus driver that I heard. I didn't hear it
Speaker 1: directly from the witness, but someone who spoke with the witness.
Speaker 1: This was at the same casino that we filmed that
Speaker 1: woods near the casino during that Oklahoma episode with you
Speaker 1: guys for finding Bigfoot. And there was a bus driver
Speaker 1: who would bust in a group of people I think
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma City or somewhere, yeah, to go to the casino,
Speaker 1: and he had dropped him all off at the front
Speaker 1: and then drove the bus around the back, which is
Speaker 1: where that dumpster was that the thing was apparently rating
Speaker 1: you know, grease trap essentially, And so he was just
Speaker 1: sitting in the bus by himself while the people gambled
Speaker 1: and you know, wait until whatever time to pick him up.
Speaker 1: And he heard his sound and looked up and the
Speaker 1: thing was standing there looking in the window at him,
Speaker 1: and apparently it scared the guy so badly because he
Speaker 1: was basically face to face with it that he got
Speaker 1: down on the floor and like laid flat, face down
Speaker 1: on the floor of the bus to hide from it.
Speaker 2: I remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, there was one up here on the
Speaker 4: climate where a school bus driver and kids saw it.
Speaker 4: Like that was like thirty years ago, like half the
Speaker 4: school kids saw it. And then god, there's there's been
Speaker 4: a couple. Oh, our buddy George back in Ohio, his
Speaker 4: kids saw one from the Remember his kids saw one
Speaker 4: from the school bus and a bunch of the kids.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I think if I remember the details,
Speaker 2: and you know, if you know for sure I'm incorrect,
Speaker 2: let me know, but I remember the details. I think
Speaker 2: George's kids saw one with George while they're riding in
Speaker 2: the truck, but the bus was there at the same time.
Speaker 2: So a whole school bus full of kids saw the
Speaker 2: same sasquatch that George and his son saw, even though
Speaker 2: I think George was in his truck. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: the one that George got a number of photographs of
Speaker 2: at like six hundred yards dude as soti as.
Speaker 4: He told me that he goes it's as good as
Speaker 4: PG film, And I was like, I saw it. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: The worst I can't tell you.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many times have you heard is good
Speaker 4: or better than the PG film. Then you're like where
Speaker 4: like you did Red Circles the show where it even is?
Speaker 2: Oh? I know, I remember one guy said, I got
Speaker 2: this picture of one and you can see the fingernails.
Speaker 2: This every bit as good as the Patterson Gilwan film.
Speaker 2: And I'll show you, but you got to be sure
Speaker 2: to you know, you can't show it to anybody else.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, you can't have it. I don't want to,
Speaker 2: just want to look at it. And it was a
Speaker 2: complete blob squash. I don't even think anything was in there,
Speaker 2: but this guy was seeing fingernails and fingers and like,
Speaker 2: you know, its man. You know. A quick search online
Speaker 2: came up with one Kentucky, Kentucky bigfoot dot com, Charlie
Speaker 2: Raymonds's website. He looked into something in two thousand and
Speaker 2: six where a whole busload of people some of these things.
Speaker 2: So yeah, a quick Google search will tell you a
Speaker 2: little bit more about that too, Larry. So, but I
Speaker 2: don't have any firsthand investigation experiences with say a bus
Speaker 2: driver or someone from the bus that I can remember.
Speaker 4: I've heard at least a dozen over the years, but
Speaker 4: I can't think of the specifics.
Speaker 2: I know that are actually speaking of the Colorado train hooks.
Speaker 2: A little bit earlier, there have been a couple seemingly
Speaker 2: legit sidings from trains. It's not quite a bus, but
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like a bus. So maybe maybe
Speaker 2: something like that too. Absolutely, someday we'll have sightings from
Speaker 2: spaceships satellites. We get those now. Actually, I mean, how
Speaker 2: many times if somebody in some weird shadowy looking thing
Speaker 2: on Google Earth and said, look, it's a bigfoot right there.
Speaker 4: Ground level camera is a little more helpful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little bit, just a little bit.
Speaker 9: What else I got for Hi, Cliff, Bobo and Matt,
Speaker 9: thanks for a fantastic program. I love Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 9: It's my regular Sunday night listening. This is Nigel from
Speaker 9: Los Angeles, and I have a question for you. With
Speaker 9: the president's a new directive in terms of opening up
Speaker 9: national forests for logging.
Speaker 2: Do you think that what sort of impact do you
Speaker 2: think that I.
Speaker 10: Have on Bigfoot? Do you think we'll see more Bigfoot,
Speaker 10: we'll hear about more Bigfoot, or we'll see less of Bigfoot.
Speaker 10: Think there'll be a significant impact on the environment that
Speaker 10: Bigfoot lives in. And what are your general thoughts on
Speaker 10: the National Forest being open for such treatment. Thanks again
Speaker 10: for a wonderful program keeping squatchy.
Speaker 4: Well, they already were open to logging.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The National Forest are managed the Department of Agriculture, which
Speaker 1: is predicated on, you know, harvesting resources in addition to
Speaker 1: managing resources. But I would think it would lead to
Speaker 1: to more signings if logging activity increases, and I do.
Speaker 1: I've spoken with Nigel several times. Nigel was working on
Speaker 1: I don't want to give away as work if it's private,
Speaker 1: but he is. He is working on a book that
Speaker 1: has a sasquatch theme. We've chatted about it, so I
Speaker 1: hope that's coming along well for you.
Speaker 6: Nigel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it sounds like that they're opening just more
Speaker 2: areas to the National Forest. I think I heard a
Speaker 2: little bit about this, but I'm working really hard not
Speaker 2: to pay attention to the news lately, so but I
Speaker 2: think they're just opening more of it. I guess up
Speaker 2: to half or I don't know. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know any of the details, but as far as impacts
Speaker 2: of logging on sasquatches, I'm not sure it's going to
Speaker 2: lead to more sightings are not really because sure loggers
Speaker 2: see these things sometimes, but to be fair, like where
Speaker 2: there's all this equipment and activity and stuff, the sasquatches
Speaker 2: don't really hang out in those areas anyway, you know.
Speaker 2: And I know that you can look at the Jerry
Speaker 2: Cruse stuff and the road building, but that's a little
Speaker 2: bit different. Roadbuilding I think is a little bit different
Speaker 2: than loggers, because Bobbo, you were a logger for a
Speaker 2: long time. But my impression of these these logging operations
Speaker 2: that is that they're basically in an area for a week,
Speaker 2: a couple of days or a week. I don't know.
Speaker 2: How long does it take to say, log a hillside, Bobo,
Speaker 2: do you have any idea? It depends.
Speaker 4: It totally depends, like how big the trees are, like
Speaker 4: what the terrains, like, how steep is it?
Speaker 2: How how brush? You know?
Speaker 4: How like how is it is it full of branches
Speaker 4: the whole up or is it one of those kind
Speaker 4: of trees that's more spread out like the branches are
Speaker 4: for the further separated apart and you're not spending all
Speaker 4: that time bucking it and you know, if you're just
Speaker 4: catching a bunch of pecker polls. They think got those
Speaker 4: you know, those new like clump or whatever ones that
Speaker 4: come out and just you know, those machines are just
Speaker 4: fare like twenty trees at once, and the big blade
Speaker 4: size slices them all off. Like, if you got that
Speaker 4: stuff on level ground, you can blow through it a
Speaker 4: couple of days. But if you just have a normal crew,
Speaker 4: it's hard to I mean because we were pretty I
Speaker 4: mean when I was logging, we were getting stuff, like
Speaker 4: we were doing.
Speaker 2: A lot of redwood.
Speaker 4: It was all the ones that were left that were
Speaker 4: too hard to get in the first place, Like that's
Speaker 4: why they were still there. Yeah, you're usually there for
Speaker 4: a few weeks.
Speaker 2: A few weeks, okay, if I was thinking maybe a
Speaker 2: few days or something. Oh okay, well if it's that long,
Speaker 2: if it's even a week or two, I think the
Speaker 2: sasquatches would probably bug out pretty early. And they're so
Speaker 2: good at not being seen anyway.
Speaker 4: Are you talking forty acres? I mean you're talking forty acres?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sure, you tell me, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't have any experience in that world, so.
Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, that's the size we did was forty acre cuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that sasquatches would probably bug out
Speaker 2: if all these people are hanging out there all the time.
Speaker 2: The longer a person is there, the less likely a
Speaker 2: sasquatch is going to be there, I think, especially if
Speaker 2: it's a big crew with you know, bulldozers and you know,
Speaker 2: excavators and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, they'll come by.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they come by the first couple not like
Speaker 4: you know, like actually slows down the first couple of
Speaker 4: nights and might come by check it out and then
Speaker 4: just go to another part of their territory that's not
Speaker 4: being logged. But I don't think I don't think logging
Speaker 4: is going to have that big impact on big foot
Speaker 4: numbers really.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they adapt so well. Who does
Speaker 2: about help them in some regard.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I don't think it's I don't
Speaker 4: think like when people talk about bigfoot having a big
Speaker 4: effect on logging, I was like shutting it down. I
Speaker 4: don't show us the case I would.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I don't think there's very much
Speaker 2: that very many human human activities that will really affect sasquatches.
Speaker 2: Sort of paving, I think paving things kind of takes
Speaker 2: away the joy of them living there for them, but
Speaker 2: other than that they just okay, they just leave the
Speaker 2: area for a while. I mean, their territories are large
Speaker 2: enough they can go a couple miles away and not
Speaker 2: really be bothered. I know a my area one of
Speaker 2: my research areas this last year, so they were logging
Speaker 2: not far away. You could hear them all the time.
Speaker 2: But we're still finding tracks, just probably not at the
Speaker 2: actual logging site, is the thing. Of course, I wasn't
Speaker 2: on the logging site for maybe there were tracks, I
Speaker 2: don't know. And if you think about the Jerry Cruse stuff,
Speaker 2: they were pushed a road into a valley that has
Speaker 2: never had a road before, and so twenty miles up
Speaker 2: or so, they start finding they start finding footprints in
Speaker 2: the morning over their freshly graded road. Well, the thing
Speaker 2: came by during during the night when nobody was there
Speaker 2: and nobody was working, and just a group of guys
Speaker 2: and they you know, it passed over the road and
Speaker 2: then went down to the creek, you know, so it
Speaker 2: was just like going through the area. They didn't see
Speaker 2: the thing. Some people there did see the thing, but
Speaker 2: people in an area would I guess, would increase the
Speaker 2: number of sightings. So maybe if the loggers are camped
Speaker 2: nearby or there's more traffic in the area, that would
Speaker 2: certainly increase sidings. But you know, not by like fifty
Speaker 2: or something. I would imagine you imagine maybe one or
Speaker 2: two or three or five a year maybe, But there
Speaker 2: might be that number anyway that we just don't know
Speaker 2: about because most people don't talk about their sidings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure, most people don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but I think that logging over
Speaker 2: the short term might drive a sass watch out of
Speaker 2: the area because food and whatever else. Then again, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm looking back a couple of months ago I started.
Speaker 2: I walked through a logging area with a couple of
Speaker 2: my friends. Then we saw it was on a weekend.
Speaker 2: We saw a lot of deer in there. We saw
Speaker 2: two herds of deer in there, and their herds were
Speaker 2: like four or five apiece or something. But so I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe it doesn't do anything, but I think afterwards,
Speaker 2: like as the undergrowth starts regrowing, that certainly would bring
Speaker 2: back all sorts of prey items, you know, between rabbits
Speaker 2: and you know, rodents and deer and whatever else, and
Speaker 2: that would certainly have a positive impact on any predators
Speaker 2: like sasquatches that might be in the area.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as fires and that stuff go, would
Speaker 4: be more. I think fire, Yeah, because elk ton't like
Speaker 4: to go and burned in areas for a couple of
Speaker 4: years oufter a fire, So like the elk moving out
Speaker 4: might effect of sausquatch a little bit, like how were
Speaker 4: they operate out of it? Probably didn't have the giant
Speaker 4: effect on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but within five years, I would say all those
Speaker 2: things would be back. Oh yeah, and after ten years,
Speaker 2: I think the trees would be high enough to hide
Speaker 2: in and stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, the forrest kind of
Speaker 2: reclaims itself pretty quickly. Yeah, for sure. It's amazing what
Speaker 2: nature will do if you just leave it alone for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 4: First of all, self conscious about saying for sure, no,
Speaker 4: for sure, sure.
Speaker 2: Good timing. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: All right, So here is the next voicemail.
Speaker 3: Hey there, Cliff, Matt and Bobo. It's farmer Joni, who
Speaker 3: has been listening since the beginning. I have a question,
Speaker 3: especially for Matt. Matt, when the Nawac did Hadrian's Wall.
Speaker 3: Did they get anything, because to me, that's like insurance
Speaker 3: that you're not going to get bigfoot pictures or they're
Speaker 3: gonna stop coming in that circle because just as you
Speaker 3: said on today's podcast that was released, they know they're
Speaker 3: they are. So if you could riff a little on
Speaker 3: Hadrian's Wall, that would be super cool. Thanks you guys.
Speaker 3: I love listening to you. You guys in West Germer
Speaker 3: are my go to. Thanks.
Speaker 1: That's very kind of you, Joni, And she has been
Speaker 1: with us from the beginning because I've seen that name
Speaker 1: and messages from her a lot, and so she's she's
Speaker 1: been an og big thing and beyond listener, you know.
Speaker 1: To make a very long story short, Hadrian's Wall was
Speaker 1: only up for about two years, and we're talking about
Speaker 1: two dozen cameras that were in essentially like an overlapping
Speaker 1: picket line that covered one half of the narrowest portion
Speaker 1: of a valley. So if you imagine, you know, a
Speaker 1: long valley that's basically like a ridge and valley system
Speaker 1: in the Washutaus that's bifurcated by a creek. All the
Speaker 1: cameras were on one side of the creek from roughly
Speaker 1: the slope of the mountain to the creek. And again
Speaker 1: that's just a couple of dozen cameras over a two
Speaker 1: year period. Now, this valley is tens of thousands of acres,
Speaker 1: and so effectively we were watching you know, point zero
Speaker 1: zero zero zero one percent of that valley. Probably insert
Speaker 1: a lot more zeros there in terms of square footage.
Speaker 1: And so interestingly, over those two years, I think we
Speaker 1: got I'd be confident in saying that there were less
Speaker 1: than ten pictures of coyotes and less than ten coyote
Speaker 1: individuals pictured. Now I've been down there and I've heard
Speaker 1: dozens of coyotes in a single night, you know, if
Speaker 1: I do in Ohioha, and then we activate three different
Speaker 1: coyote packs, you know, one to the north, one to
Speaker 1: the east, and one to the west, all calling simultaneously,
Speaker 1: where you can just hear many many coyotes. So that
Speaker 1: place is full of coyotes, and yet we barely got
Speaker 1: any photos of them. There were very few bear photographs,
Speaker 1: even though we've seen many. One week I was there,
Speaker 1: I saw ten different individual bears in one week, like
Speaker 1: ten recognizably different individuals.
Speaker 2: And so the.
Speaker 1: Odds of all of those animals, you know, walking through
Speaker 1: this relatively small area that was being observed within this
Speaker 1: twenty four month period, the odds are just really low
Speaker 1: and they're against you. And then we had disabled the
Speaker 1: infrared flashes so they wouldn't be detectable at night, banking
Speaker 1: on daylight photographs, and so of course the camera's triggered
Speaker 1: every night, and you just don't know what triggered them.
Speaker 1: Now we could listen to the ones that were set
Speaker 1: to video to see if there were any sounds in there,
Speaker 1: but otherwise, like you just don't know what triggered it.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't too discouraged about that. I think they
Speaker 1: just needed more time to really cover that value effectively.
Speaker 1: You'd have to have multiple picket lines, multiple Hadrian's walls.
Speaker 1: But even if you're just relying on that one, I
Speaker 1: think you'd need many years of time to have that,
Speaker 1: you know, one in a million chants of an animal
Speaker 1: walking through the right place at the right time, during
Speaker 1: the right lighting condition. So I don't necessarily see it
Speaker 1: as a failure. But they had to be taken down
Speaker 1: after two years and relocated, and there were some other
Speaker 1: technical issues going on, so I don't know what the
Speaker 1: organization's doing with them now. But hopefully that answers your
Speaker 1: question there, Joni, yep, all right, let me grab the
Speaker 1: written questions.
Speaker 2: Bub Well, you know sometimes when that hits the robo Bobo,
Speaker 2: I can't tell if it's you or not. Does that
Speaker 2: ever happen to you?
Speaker 1: No, I can make a robo cliff. It will make
Speaker 1: you feel better.
Speaker 2: I insist, because remember, Bobo, remember that story you told
Speaker 2: me that one time where you fell asleep in your
Speaker 2: bed and you're in from your bedroom you can see
Speaker 2: the ocean, and so you you had a big TV
Speaker 2: on and you fell asleep in the day or something
Speaker 2: like that. I think when you woke up that the
Speaker 2: TV was on, and when you woke up at some
Speaker 2: point finding Bigfoot was on TV. No, it was Monster Quest.
Speaker 2: It was on you around with me, okay, well yeah,
Speaker 2: but I guess you woke up and hearing your own voice,
Speaker 2: and your first foggy thought was.
Speaker 4: Well, the TV was right in front, Like I had
Speaker 4: the TV set up right next to my dad, and
Speaker 4: it was like a pretty big screen and it was
Speaker 4: like three feet from my face. And I woke up
Speaker 4: to my voice and then there was my head talking
Speaker 4: like a giant two foot head talking on screen, and
Speaker 4: I was, oh, I'm super tired, like I woke me
Speaker 4: up and yeah, I just remember looking at it going,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, if that's Bobo?
Speaker 2: Who am I?
Speaker 4: And I was confused for about five seconds, just full
Speaker 4: of fog, like just totally like it was a weird
Speaker 4: feeling not knowing who.
Speaker 2: You were, and that doesn't happen to you with the
Speaker 2: robo Bobo.
Speaker 4: No, well, maybe when I doze off a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of those frequent naps you take during our podcast.
Speaker 4: I almost fell asleep just like five minutes ago.
Speaker 1: I think there was one last time we recorded after
Speaker 1: Cliff gave like a really detailed answer and Boo just
Speaker 1: went I started whispering. But then I realized, like, I'm
Speaker 1: still whispering directly into his ear with headphones on.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I think he's asleep.
Speaker 4: I heard thoughts what woke me up? Well, we do
Speaker 4: this right in my nap time.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, remember I lamented that people would write
Speaker 1: in and go, oh, man, I use your podcast to
Speaker 1: fall asleep, and I was insulted, but I guess if
Speaker 1: one of the hosts does it.
Speaker 2: Does it as well. But also, this is our podcast
Speaker 2: for he's a working band and staff meetings. I feel
Speaker 2: you on staff meetings, Like sometimes the staff meetings would
Speaker 2: make me feel like yeah, just like shrieking. I get it.
Speaker 4: I was on it too bad. I mean everyone's super
Speaker 4: cool and stuff, so but yeah, I mean some of
Speaker 4: the stuff, I'm just like what I'm there to learn.
Speaker 4: So I enjoy it because I've got plenty to learn
Speaker 4: and I learned something there every time.
Speaker 2: So that's cool. Good attitude, man, Yeah, a true educator
Speaker 2: is a learner at the end of the day. See.
Speaker 1: I could build out this robo bobo and send it
Speaker 1: to you and you could set it to like have
Speaker 1: an AI prompt to auto respond, So if you ever
Speaker 1: have to do one of those like zoom or Skype
Speaker 1: call staff meetings, you could just be absent and this
Speaker 1: thing will just reply for.
Speaker 2: You can just imagine how that goes. This could make
Speaker 2: your life better.
Speaker 1: Or you just set it up as an app on
Speaker 1: your phone when people that you don't want to talk
Speaker 1: to call, you just pick it.
Speaker 2: Up and just have it go. Yep, classic and stuff.
Speaker 2: They're a genius. PRU. See this is this is going
Speaker 2: to be beneficial in many ways. I love it. Well,
Speaker 2: the first written question, is there in the chat you
Speaker 2: want to Bob's.
Speaker 4: Sure, Hey, Cliff and Bobo. I love the podcast and
Speaker 4: I've been listening for about two months now. Oh, this
Speaker 4: is Ethan Prosser. Yeah, I recognize that name. I was
Speaker 4: wondering if Bigfoot can recognize a person by their smell
Speaker 4: like dogs can.
Speaker 2: Keep it squatchy, y'all. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean they seem to recognize people for sure, like
Speaker 4: they seem to know. Yeah, I mean, like like a
Speaker 4: lot of animals, they recognize certain people if you're if
Speaker 4: you're around them enough.
Speaker 2: I think if you had a distinctive enough smell, they
Speaker 2: certainly would. But as far as but here's the thing,
Speaker 2: Ethan specifically says, like dogs can well lill dogs their
Speaker 2: main sense is smell. They live their life through smell.
Speaker 2: You know, they could they I've read I think we
Speaker 2: talked about this a little while ago. But I read
Speaker 2: a book. It's called Inside of a Dog. I think
Speaker 2: that was the name of it. When I got Sochi,
Speaker 2: I got a dog book written by a dog psychologist,
Speaker 2: which I thought was really interesting. You know, there's such
Speaker 2: a thing as a dog psychologist, believe it or not.
Speaker 2: I don't think they put them on the couch and
Speaker 2: like let them rant about their problems or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but they study the way like animal cognition works in canines. Essentially,
Speaker 2: super interesting book. If you have a dog, I strongly
Speaker 2: recommend you to read a book like this because it
Speaker 2: really opened up a lot of avenues towards like what
Speaker 2: my dog soci needs in her life, you know, and
Speaker 2: like to be happy, and like little ideas like smell walks.
Speaker 2: You know. They their whole life revolves around their sense
Speaker 2: of smell. Essentially, they can literally smell time, if that
Speaker 2: makes any sense. I know how weird that sounds, but
Speaker 2: what I mean by that is like dogs can sense
Speaker 2: when their owner is going to be coming home from work.
Speaker 2: If the owner comes home from work, get about the
Speaker 2: same time every day based on the smell of the house.
Speaker 2: Like that, Through the day, the smell of the home changes,
Speaker 2: you know, and at a certain time when it smells
Speaker 2: the right way, the dog knows, Oh, this is usually
Speaker 2: when you know, Cliff comes home or whatever. Like. The
Speaker 2: relationship that canines have with smell is just completely different
Speaker 2: than anything we can imagine. So a dog would certainly
Speaker 2: recognize anybody by smell anybody by smell, But a sasquatch,
Speaker 2: being a primate, most likely has a very similar similar
Speaker 2: olfactory system as the rest of the primates, humans included,
Speaker 2: you know, of all the great apes, humans and gorillas
Speaker 2: and orangutans and everything else have about the same ability
Speaker 2: as far as their sense of smell goes. Humans have
Speaker 2: a little bit worse because we've domesticated ourselves and kind
Speaker 2: of taken that out of ourselves in a way, but
Speaker 2: still we're all about the same. A wild human, so
Speaker 2: to speak, would have the same as a gorilla, say,
Speaker 2: or a chimpanzee. So a sasquatch can be assumed at
Speaker 2: this point pretty safely to have about the same. So
Speaker 2: if you were like a you were a lot of
Speaker 2: patuli or something like that or or whatever, then yeah,
Speaker 2: then certainly they'd be able to smell you quite distinctively,
Speaker 2: and of course they would be able to recognize, oh,
Speaker 2: that's that one hippie chick or whatever that camps at
Speaker 2: that spot or whatever it is. I think that that's
Speaker 2: that's clear. I think that that's a no brainer. And
Speaker 2: that reminds me of Chris Minior all of our good
Speaker 2: friends Chris Minier great Bigfoot researcher down in the Eugene
Speaker 2: area the night he saw his first sasquatch. What he
Speaker 2: did he used an old factory lure for it. He
Speaker 2: got a bandana and he soaked it in the cheapest
Speaker 2: like sort of smelliest after shave he could buy at
Speaker 2: you know, CVS or Walgreens or wherever he went. What
Speaker 2: was it called, like Selson blue or something like that, aquavelva.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I can never remember that, but yeah, and
Speaker 2: he had just hung that in a tree, and apparently
Speaker 2: that was enough to bring one in out of curiosity.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great strategy for somebody who's looking
Speaker 2: to elicit some interest from these things in the woods
Speaker 2: is use something that they've never smelled before, just like
Speaker 2: we often use the sounds that they've never heard before.
Speaker 2: Use something that they've never smelled before to see if
Speaker 2: you can bring them in. But again, they don't have
Speaker 2: the sense of smell as a dog or a bear
Speaker 2: or a deer. They don't even have the prognathism you
Speaker 2: know that those other species have, like the elongated snouts.
Speaker 2: So so the answer ethan is that could they yes,
Speaker 2: But they don't tend to lean very heavily in my
Speaker 2: opinion on that sense. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 4: Did you have better sense to smell than we do?
Speaker 4: I mean, like, wow, the humans are like those uncontracted tribes.
Speaker 4: They use their nose a lot where you see them
Speaker 4: like picking up stuff in the forest, are always sniffing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only a silly humans who've domesticated ourselves in
Speaker 2: the cities, you know, that have kind of taken that
Speaker 2: away from ourselves. Civilization. It's a one way street man.
Speaker 1: Should you limit the burdens of central air conditioning and refrigeration?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah it might. You know, like when you
Speaker 2: hear I wish I lived during pirate times, you know,
Speaker 2: like people who say stuff like that, and I said, no,
Speaker 2: you don't got two words, buddy, modern dentistry. You don't
Speaker 2: want to live there.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a laundry list of modern things that most
Speaker 1: people would not want to live without.
Speaker 4: Myself included showers, toilets, toilets at flush.
Speaker 1: And they't just go on the street, glasses, contacts, The
Speaker 1: list goes on.
Speaker 2: Well, this next question is from Tim Bucknall. Hello from
Speaker 2: Northwest England. Love the show. What is the southern limit
Speaker 2: of Sasquatch. Do they range in New Mexico. Keep up
Speaker 2: the good work and best wishes. Yeah, they're in Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 2: taking a couple of reports from southern Mexico in fact,
Speaker 2: and Bobo has stories from Central America.
Speaker 4: Right on the border New Mexico. They're down along the
Speaker 4: New Skill border, Arizona border. They're Texas. They crow, they
Speaker 4: keep those mountain ranges, keep going to the south.
Speaker 2: They don't just stop at the border.
Speaker 4: They go down in those areas also.
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, they mean down to South America. So
Speaker 2: they go as far as south as he'd won.
Speaker 1: Much like mountain lions and you know, grizzlies used to
Speaker 1: extend down into Mexico. I still think the best compendium
Speaker 1: available of like Central and South American reports is Ivan
Speaker 1: Sanderson's book. Ironically, as old as that book is, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of great information in there about Central and
Speaker 1: South America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, they go south for sure. Stay tuned
Speaker 2: for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. Will
Speaker 2: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: All right, we got Brian Breading. Hi, guys, love the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you for not only the variety of guests and topics,
Speaker 4: but also the willingness to push some guests with deeper
Speaker 4: factorven questions I've read about the after mouth of the
Speaker 4: filming of the Passing Human film the cast made, and
Speaker 4: especially tracking Patti a distance. Did anyone ever backtracker? Surely
Speaker 4: that could have been just as interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Timm has tried, I believe, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2: When Timmas found the site, Roger and Bob's you know,
Speaker 2: and the horses, all their tracks were everywhere. The Sasquatch's
Speaker 2: tracks were plainly visible. He cast ten of them in
Speaker 2: a row, apparently eleven of them. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: the last one is in a row or not, but uh,
Speaker 2: there was some information on that one out there, but
Speaker 2: ten is the generally accepted number, apparently if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: and I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: he couldn't find where it came out of the woods,
Speaker 2: like down the hill or anything to that location. But
Speaker 2: after it was seen, it was very easily tracked for
Speaker 2: a good distance, I guess, and he apparently tracked it
Speaker 2: up the creek, you know, up through the bowling alley there.
Speaker 2: Bob Gimlin commented that he remembered seeing the I think
Speaker 2: wet footprint on a rock, and he thought it went
Speaker 2: up this rocky slope, which i've you know, I've seen
Speaker 2: that most almost certainly it's the same one, the rocky
Speaker 2: slope going up in the hill. Then Bob Timmis back
Speaker 2: tracked it, well tracked it afterwards, I guess, after they
Speaker 2: filmed it to a spot one hundred, one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy five yards or if I forget the number on
Speaker 2: the hill above and where it sat down in the
Speaker 2: ferns and watched Roger and Bob cast the prints and
Speaker 2: do whatever they're doing in the aftermath. But as far
Speaker 2: as it coming down to that location, my memory is
Speaker 2: telling me that Bob Timmis couldn't find that. So maybe
Speaker 2: it walked up the creek. There's a lot of different
Speaker 2: avenues that it could have gotten to that particular location
Speaker 2: where it was initially seen without leaving any footprints at
Speaker 2: that location.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't think. I don't think he knew
Speaker 4: he couldn't find those. I'm pretty sure you're right about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I believe that's written. I think it's
Speaker 2: I think it's in Krantz's book, and it was ten
Speaker 2: days after the fact. Yeah, it was ten days after
Speaker 2: the fact. But so maybe it was just slinky before
Speaker 2: it got down and then like once it was observed,
Speaker 2: like all bets were off and it had to get
Speaker 2: out of there as quick as possible and dropped, dropped
Speaker 2: its guard a bit more. Don't know, don't know. That's
Speaker 2: kind of open for speculation. Might have just walked through
Speaker 2: the water. Might have been that simple. All right, So
Speaker 2: here is the final written submission. This last question here
Speaker 2: comes from Christopher Purdy. I'm a huge fan of the
Speaker 2: show and all that you guys do. As a fellow
Speaker 2: misophonia sufferer, I listened with total sympathy to Bobo's account
Speaker 2: of his auditory frustrations with the candy sucking passenger on
Speaker 2: his recent flight to Vegas in yesterday's podcast. Do you
Speaker 2: guys think that there are any noises that unthinking folks
Speaker 2: in the woods might make that could cause Sasquatch irritation? Oh,
Speaker 2: that could cause irritation to sasquatches. I think Bobo walked away,
Speaker 2: and I think we lost Bobo. I think he just
Speaker 2: I heard him way in the background, way in the background.
Speaker 2: He just went to take a nap in bed. This
Speaker 2: time Dory Bob's we got Robo Bobo. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that the presence of human voices would probably bother them
Speaker 2: kind of a lot, especially once they figured out all
Speaker 2: these guys are here, they're going to settle in their camping. See,
Speaker 2: because human voices has been shown to be a deterrent
Speaker 2: for say, mountain lions. For example. My wife read about
Speaker 2: that somewhere, so she started listening to podcasts while she
Speaker 2: goes on her walk throughout the property because we have
Speaker 2: mountain lions around here quite a bit. So she started
Speaker 2: playing podcasts out loud, you know, loudly on her phone
Speaker 2: in order to spook away any you know, cougars in
Speaker 2: the area. So I think something like that. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you that this is off. Well, I'm sorry, Bobo. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you about the Sasquatch people talking with their
Speaker 4: mouthful out in the woods.
Speaker 2: That's what kills them, is that what it is people
Speaker 2: sucking on candies out in the.
Speaker 4: Woods, chewing gun with her mouth open.
Speaker 1: You know, it did remind me, and I won't imitate
Speaker 1: the sound because I don't want to further enrage Bobo.
Speaker 1: But I told the story on the Members podcast. But
Speaker 1: there were two members of the NAWAC. It was years
Speaker 1: before I joined the organization, but I heard the story
Speaker 1: from them, and one of them in particular, that had
Speaker 1: a long, frightening encounter one night in one of the
Speaker 1: cabins and the things that surrounded the cabin and were
Speaker 1: making sounds, and at the end of it, they all
Speaker 1: started making this sound that was almost like saliva being
Speaker 1: swished around in their mouths. They said it sounded a
Speaker 1: kind of like boots in wet mud, you know, that
Speaker 1: kind of like sticking, slopping, sucking sound, And they were
Speaker 1: all doing that, and then as they walked away, they
Speaker 1: continued to do it.
Speaker 8: Weird.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's horrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'd imitate it, but I think Bobo,
Speaker 1: I think it would trigger Bolo do it, but because
Speaker 1: I've heard them do it.
Speaker 2: But it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: And then there was another incident where a team member
Speaker 1: was leaving and on the way out, his car broke
Speaker 1: down and so he had to get out and walk
Speaker 1: back to camp by himself to get assistance, and as
Speaker 1: he was walking, he heard that sound following him in
Speaker 1: the woods where there's no mud, like something wasn't walking
Speaker 1: through squishy mud, but it was making that, you know,
Speaker 1: they always call it colloquial, like this squishing sound, making
Speaker 1: that sound following, And of course he knew that story,
Speaker 1: so it kind of freaked him out a little bit.
Speaker 1: But that's a bizarre, bizarre sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. That's pretty nuts. But they make all
Speaker 2: sorts of wacky noises.
Speaker 4: Christopher, pretty I share your pain, my man, you know
Speaker 4: what it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually had a longer question, but I just
Speaker 1: couldn't fit it all in the chat. But I'll let
Speaker 1: me find it real quick. So because sorry, folks, there's
Speaker 1: a limited sort of tech space where I can can
Speaker 1: put all this stuff in. But he said, train journeys
Speaker 1: here in the UK provide similar tortured experiences for fellow sufferers.
Speaker 1: A particular nuisance for me, as fellow travelers who inhale
Speaker 1: loudly and repeatedly in attempting to clear their nostrils instead
Speaker 1: of blowing their noses into a handkerchief, I assume they
Speaker 1: are simply too lazier ill mannered to do so. It
Speaker 1: really grinds my gears, and I sit there literally wishing
Speaker 1: their heads would explode.
Speaker 2: That's what I do.
Speaker 4: I always imagine myself shoving a grenade in their mouth
Speaker 4: and pulling the pin and walking away watching their head explode.
Speaker 1: My goodness. But here's the funny thing. It's like a
Speaker 1: good friend of mine. I've known him for many years.
Speaker 1: I give a big shout out to my buddy Kevin
Speaker 1: and Colorado had texted me, I think it was yesterday morning.
Speaker 11: Because he heard that same episode and he was like, dude,
Speaker 11: that's so funny that Bobo has a problem with people
Speaker 11: making those sounds because he's always eating on the Members
Speaker 11: podcast and I was like, yeah, dude, I know.
Speaker 2: That's Carina's fault. I don't practice what I preach because
Speaker 2: I'm not the kind of guy. I'm preaching too. Rules
Speaker 2: for thee.
Speaker 6: But not for me.
Speaker 4: Dude, she has me food.
Speaker 2: What am I going to do? Put a T shirt
Speaker 2: over it? Like you did with Tony Markle. What's that about?
Speaker 1: People need to go go listen to Bobo's appearance on
Speaker 1: Tony Merkle's podcast on The Confessionals, because there's a great
Speaker 1: moment where Bobo dropped a plate of food and Tony's like,
Speaker 1: I loved that Tony left it into it. I gave
Speaker 1: him props for it because he said it always too
Speaker 1: funny to edit out. But this plate of food hits
Speaker 1: the ground and Tony. Tony's like, oh, do you need
Speaker 1: a second to clean up, but was like, no, let
Speaker 1: me just put a shirt over it so Carena won't
Speaker 1: see it when she comes in.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's my boy. Tony's great.
Speaker 4: I told you they go when I said, you want
Speaker 4: to hear it? Like you can listen to our podcast
Speaker 4: all the time, I said, if you want to hear
Speaker 4: the best Bobo interview, it was Tony Merkle.
Speaker 2: It is a pretty good one. Yeah, covered all the bases.
Speaker 2: I hear a freaking ice cream truck, Hold on there
Speaker 2: and get one. You get an ice cream?
Speaker 4: Well, what's your guys go to? If one pulls up?
Speaker 4: If an ice cream truck pulls up, what's your go
Speaker 4: to ice cream?
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have it in a truck
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen an ice cream truck in forever.
Speaker 1: But I'm a big fan of pistachio, big fan of
Speaker 1: anything peanut butter.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: I meant like, not like scooped ice cream like our
Speaker 4: guy had, like ice cream sandwiches, strawberry shortcake, those orange
Speaker 4: sickle things that's white on the inside and the orange
Speaker 4: on the outside.
Speaker 12: Bomb pops. Yeah, bomb pops so good. I do like
Speaker 12: an ice cream sandwich. I like the straight up vanilla
Speaker 12: with the chocolate shell. Those ice cream bars, those are
Speaker 12: kind of hard to beat.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it. Those are awesome. Those are the bus
Speaker 2: You know. I did a government project in high school
Speaker 2: when I was a senior and it was a video
Speaker 2: and one of the questions we asked in the video
Speaker 2: for government class is what would you do for a
Speaker 2: klondike bar. We went on the street and interviewed strangers
Speaker 2: and had them do dumb stuff on camera. I can't
Speaker 2: believe I got an A on that project. Well, is
Speaker 2: that it is? That?
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 2: What we're doing today? Is that it?
Speaker 1: I think that's it for the written submissions for the
Speaker 1: may Q and A. So keep those voicemails coming in especially.
Speaker 1: We love the voicemails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of fun to hear all these people.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of questions from like what the UK,
Speaker 2: I mean according to the accents and the written submissions
Speaker 2: and Toby, that was a good question.
Speaker 1: I'm suffering from guilt over this and it hasn't even
Speaker 1: been released yet.
Speaker 2: I just feels so bad you're thinking, how am I
Speaker 2: going to edit this to not hurt a child's feelings? Exactly? Oh, kids,
Speaker 2: got tough enough? Do you have an answer for him yet?
Speaker 2: So bobo, robo bigfoot or two headed dinosaur? Who is it? Yes?
Speaker 2: You have to answer. You have to yo what to
Speaker 2: this kid? Man?
Speaker 4: Tell me about the new question? Kid, I'll answer that one.
Speaker 2: You refuse to answer, yep, I bet it's because you
Speaker 2: just don't know. You just don't know. You don't know
Speaker 2: who you'd root for, You don't know how you feel
Speaker 2: about it. You want to put yourself in some you know,
Speaker 2: you want to say anything on a podcast that'll, you know,
Speaker 2: brand you forever a lover or a hater of two
Speaker 2: headed dinosaurs or robotic bigfoots.
Speaker 4: I don't mind being known as a hater of robotic.
Speaker 2: Bigfoots, just not two headed dinosaurs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Jesus, come on, no one's got time
Speaker 4: for this.
Speaker 2: This is okay. I encourage all our listeners to get
Speaker 2: their child to ask us some sort of question that
Speaker 2: Boba will find deeply insulting. Exactly because I kind of
Speaker 2: like this, know what the kids would, but I think
Speaker 2: I kind of like this well, shall we address the
Speaker 2: questions of the general pigeonry? Yeah, all right, do it?
Speaker 4: Stay strong, Chris Purty a little encouragement, so I guess
Speaker 4: we're done. Yeah, all right, folks, on's another episode of
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