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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>With Cliff and Bobo. These gays a favorites, so like

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<v Speaker 2>say subscribe and rade.

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<v Speaker 1>It I star and the greatest con.

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<v Speaker 2>USh today and listening a watching lim always keep its watching.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody out there in Bigfoot and Beyond Land all

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<v Speaker 2>squatchkatiers who have tuned in. This is Bigfoot and Beyond

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<v Speaker 2>with Cliff and Bobo. However this week it is only Cliff.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobo is on a field investigation. I guess something about

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<v Speaker 2>a fly fisherman was chased out of an area and

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<v Speaker 2>goodness knows what's happening. I got a frantic phone call

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<v Speaker 2>from Bobo the other night explaining his inavailability this week,

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<v Speaker 2>so he is not going to be available for a podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>so it is up to me. But I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the reason we have two hosts on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>so in case one of us is out doing something

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods, the other one can cover for them.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what we have going. So it's Bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond with Cliff and occasionally Bobo when he's not in

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<v Speaker 2>the field. And this week you got me. You got Cliff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming at you from the North American Bigfoot Center

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<v Speaker 2>and Boring, Oregon, and today I have a witness that

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<v Speaker 2>I met personally, probably with this past summer or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I don't remember. I could check my notes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I only have so much ram I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember as much as I used to. So anyway, this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>his name, his name is not John, but that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be calling him today, John Doe. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>this gentleman came into the shop at some point in

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<v Speaker 2>the last six months and shared his two bigfoot encounters

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<v Speaker 2>with me. Of course, we put a pin on the

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<v Speaker 2>wall at the location in our public map so everybody

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<v Speaker 2>can check out where that is approximately. Because our map

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<v Speaker 2>isn't detailed enough to give away any spots, it just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of gives you a good idea where things are happening.

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<v Speaker 2>But this gentleman John came in and he shared the location.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm very familiar with the location. There's a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of bigfoot reports from very close by to this location,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not going to tell you where that is either, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>because he lives there and he doesn't want you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Our kind tinfoil hat wearing weirdos, sniffing around in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>or god forbid, people with guns cruising around shooting at

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<v Speaker 2>bipedal figures in the dark. That could be he or

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<v Speaker 2>his family. It could. Yeah, so we don't want that,

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<v Speaker 2>or nor his neighbors for that matter. But anyway, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's very credible. I spoke to him at length the

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<v Speaker 2>first time he came in the shop, and he visited

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks ago, and I thought that this guy

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<v Speaker 2>would be a great guess for Bigfoot and beyond because

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<v Speaker 2>his stories are so bone chilling in a couple of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll see what I'm talking about in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>The location, though, we're not going to tell you where

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<v Speaker 2>that is, but we will tell you it is in

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<v Speaker 2>the foothills of Mount Hood. I think that's close enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wouldn't want you to know where I

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<v Speaker 2>lived either, so I wouldn't tell you where I live

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<v Speaker 2>beyond that detail foothills of Mount Hood, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>far away. So this is an area I'm very familiar with,

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<v Speaker 2>and a ton of big Foot stuff happens there. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was thankful to get two reports from less than

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<v Speaker 2>what probably two miles away from each other. I think

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<v Speaker 2>or even closer. But we'll get into that. This is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a cluster and an area that we are keeping

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<v Speaker 2>a close eye on here at the North American Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>Center for more reports in the area. So if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 2>you have reports from the foothills of Mount Hood, come

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<v Speaker 2>on into the NABC and share it with us and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll compare notes and see if it's the same area

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<v Speaker 2>or not. But in the meantime, here is not John,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what we're gonna call him. Hey, John, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for coming into the shop today and

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<v Speaker 2>talking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Cliff, I appreciate you have me in that it's

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<v Speaker 1>it is, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, it is what it is close enough to me. John,

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<v Speaker 2>tell us a little bit about yourself, obviously not too much,

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<v Speaker 2>because we don't want people to know who you are,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you're you want to keep protect your identity,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course keeping witnesses anonymity is far more important

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<v Speaker 2>than the information they tend to share. I have your name,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all that matters. I know you're a real person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at you right now because this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of these rare podcasts where we're doing it in person.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, John tell us, maybe a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to give a little bit of background.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I was raised in the Pacific Northwest, as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, eastern Moltnoma County, in the foothills of Mount Hood.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, currently, I'm thirty six, and my first

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<v Speaker 1>encounter happened twenty years ago. The summer I was fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad and I had had some trouble with locals,

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<v Speaker 1>probably high school kids, I don't know, running their quads

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<v Speaker 1>or their pickups up into the woods. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>say that back in the eighties, there was some logging

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<v Speaker 1>in the property next door, a very large parcel I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming one hundred and forty acres or something like.

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<v Speaker 2>That they had, and there were.

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<v Speaker 1>The logging roads were still there, kind of overgrown, and

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<v Speaker 1>it connected to our property, road system, trail system all

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<v Speaker 1>that and went to a couple of different highways. So

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, even though the brush had come down,

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<v Speaker 1>there had still been high schoolers that were out there

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<v Speaker 1>trying to open the roads back up and going wheeling,

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<v Speaker 1>which wasn't a big deal except for the litter, and

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<v Speaker 1>it connected to our property, and so they found those roads,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So we were trying to block off the

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<v Speaker 1>access points, and we'd had some trouble with them on

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<v Speaker 1>the trails, them leaving litter behind and making a mess,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had kind of secured the entrances to those

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<v Speaker 1>logging roads. And I remember I was at home alone.

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<v Speaker 1>We had two dogs, two Rottwilders. They were tied up,

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<v Speaker 1>both of them. And I had heard some sounds that

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<v Speaker 1>the sound really carries well out there across a valley.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I don't want to say too much because they'll

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<v Speaker 1>give away the location, but there's a valley with two

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<v Speaker 1>mountain peaks, small mountain peaks on either side, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to say the sound travels really well across

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<v Speaker 1>that valley. I was hearing some sounds out there, sounded

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<v Speaker 1>like some trucks out there, and I said, okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>here we go. We got another problem out there. So

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<v Speaker 1>I walked out there and I walked the trails and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a good mile or better, probably over a

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<v Speaker 1>mile a mile and a half or something. Just as

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<v Speaker 1>the crow flies across to the other end, I hiked

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<v Speaker 1>the trail system, couldn't find anything. It was coming back

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<v Speaker 1>and it was getting It was May of two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and I was coming back up with one of those

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<v Speaker 1>peaks down across the valley and up to our homestead,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had made my way up through the woods

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<v Speaker 1>up to the top and it was an area that

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<v Speaker 1>we uh, like I say, covered all the time. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a place that we my sister and I hung

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<v Speaker 1>out all the time, where we always those woods. It

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely not a strange environment to us. I was

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<v Speaker 1>used to being over all the time. A lot of big,

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<v Speaker 1>heavy timber, a lot of ground cover salal Oregon grape

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<v Speaker 1>wine maple. I came up to the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>first peak, started down through the valley and there, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>not across the valley, down the hillside to the valley,

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<v Speaker 1>which was heavy timber. Well, like I say, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of really heavy vine maple that was really twisted together,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of a lot of ground cover that

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot cover easily. A lot of old growth snags

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<v Speaker 1>that are laying down you gotta climb over them, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of turned stumps. It's really it was back then,

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<v Speaker 2>A real challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course to get down through this and it

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<v Speaker 1>would take you once you went down the slope to

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<v Speaker 1>the valley where they headlogged I'm guessing probably distance wise,

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<v Speaker 1>probably a thousand or twelve hundred feet, I would guess,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down into the valley, at least where

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<v Speaker 1>I hiked to. I came down through the woods, climbed

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<v Speaker 1>over all this old growth and through everything, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got down into the clearing and it was about dusk.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what time it in May. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I'd guess maybe somewhere in there, yeah, maybe later, who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But there was still quite a bit of light

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky, so I could see things clear. And

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<v Speaker 1>I had just come down through the woods and I

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<v Speaker 1>heard a sound up top where i'd just come from

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<v Speaker 1>from the very top, right directly behind me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>heard something stirring around up there in the brush, and

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped for a minute. I could it was definitely audible.

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<v Speaker 2>I could. I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I could hear something definitely moving through all the slough

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<v Speaker 1>and the Oregon grape up up top. It was very noisy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I figured it was an elk up there. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it started moving my direction and it started getting louder,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, oh, well, this is cool, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped and I listened to it, and it came

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<v Speaker 1>down the hill towards me, but off to my left.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it started going off to my left and

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<v Speaker 1>it started picking up a lot of noise, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a hurd of elk. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, this is cool. I'm gonna stand here

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<v Speaker 1>and watch them, and they're gonna come running down through

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<v Speaker 1>the trees. And we were used to seeing herds of

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<v Speaker 1>elk and deer run through the woods and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of noise, you know, and they just we were used

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<v Speaker 1>to seeing ten to twelve and I heard, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just a cool thing to watch. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting ready for that, and then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the noise went through the roof, and I

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<v Speaker 1>remember I was hearing an incredible amount of noise and

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<v Speaker 1>it was coming from one source.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember it.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't over a vast area of brush. It was

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<v Speaker 1>one object.

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<v Speaker 2>And I like, you'd expect a herd of elk to

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<v Speaker 2>have a like a sheet of noise righting at you,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is one individual thing, one individual thing, sound

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<v Speaker 2>of a herd of elk.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was incredible, and it was noisier than I

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<v Speaker 1>heard of elk. I'd never heard so much track in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. And it started and it picked up speed,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was where it really got me, because instantly,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my heart just sank and I thought, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what this thing is because it charged. It

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<v Speaker 1>just barreled down the mountain at me, and it it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going off to my left anymore. It was coming

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<v Speaker 1>directly at me, and so I knew it wasn't by

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<v Speaker 1>chance it knew where it was going to you. It

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<v Speaker 1>was coming straight to me. And that thing covered that distance.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it came barreling down the mountain. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>just jumping over all that brush and blowing through it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I knew that right away. I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>any elk anymore. I didn't know what it had, but

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<v Speaker 1>at me, and I remember halfway down it connected with

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<v Speaker 1>it made contact with that thing and it exploded into

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<v Speaker 1>It sounded like it came in contact with maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>So just like this tree splintering and exploded, just exploding

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and all the fibers bouncing off that that

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<v Speaker 1>I turned around and ran back. There was a snag there,

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<v Speaker 1>an old buckskin that was laying on the ground, probably

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<v Speaker 1>a five foot log, and I ran dough behind that

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<v Speaker 1>thing to try to get out of sight. You're hiding, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm out here. This is not cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember, because the speed it was coming down

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain, I realized I didn't know what I was

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with. But I realized I'd made something mad and

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<v Speaker 1>here it was coming half for me. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>the worst feeling ever because it was exactly I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what this thing is, but here it comes, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're pretty certain you knew about everything out there. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, cougars and the bear and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never experienced anything like this, this kind of an aggression,

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<v Speaker 1>and it covered that span I'm guessing just say more

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<v Speaker 1>or less one thousand feet. I would guess the reason

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<v Speaker 1>I say a thousand feet is our driveway on the

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<v Speaker 1>property is exactly a thousand feet down blow the house

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<v Speaker 1>down to the highway, so I would say it's at

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<v Speaker 1>least a thousand, probably more like eleven hundred feet from

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<v Speaker 1>the top down to where I was standing. And it

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<v Speaker 1>covered that ground in about seven seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, so it was really moving.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I realized I had nothing that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>And you still haven't seen this thing either. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was coming directly at me, and I said, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is going to pop out here in the

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<v Speaker 1>clearing here in just a matter of seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>And peeping over that log that you were hiding, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking over the top, and I had a

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<v Speaker 1>walkie talkie with me, just one though, just one pretty useless.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had to be fair you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know it wasn't doing any good. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why I took one, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand I don't like listening to what I'm other

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<v Speaker 2>people listening to what I say either.

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<v Speaker 1>So I you know, well, I had left went back

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<v Speaker 1>at the house, okay, on they're both on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, well, my folks should be home at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, my dad should be around, and I waited

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<v Speaker 1>until this thing came down out of the clear out

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<v Speaker 1>of the brush. There there was some really heavy brush

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<v Speaker 1>at the edge of the woods, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>from when they had logged the summer before. And the

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<v Speaker 1>stack of limbs was probably it was a rolls big

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<v Speaker 1>tall haystacks, I'm guessing probably fifteen twenty feet tall and

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<v Speaker 1>quite wide, probably that wide, a typical haystack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's like a slash pile. Slash pile where

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<v Speaker 2>the loader sat and they loaded the trucks.

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<v Speaker 1>And it came I remember, this thing came blown down

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<v Speaker 1>out of the woods and it entered the clearing on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, directly behind that slash pile, so you

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<v Speaker 1>still couldn't see it. I couldn't see it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it's going to come running around one side or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. And as soon as it made its way

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<v Speaker 1>into the clearing, all the noise stopped. It went completely

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<v Speaker 1>dead silent. There was not one sound, and it never

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<v Speaker 1>made one more step. And there was no bird in

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<v Speaker 1>the air, there was no squirrels, there was no typical

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<v Speaker 1>noise in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>That you would hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Then dark was encroaching, and dark wasn't approaching, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was and I thought, okay, this is just spooky. I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is gonna make a step, It's gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>one way or the other. But I stayed put and

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<v Speaker 1>it stayed put, and I couldn't see it stayed out

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<v Speaker 1>of sight.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm watching the sky. All my senses are

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<v Speaker 1>on their peak, and I'm looking around and I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for something happened. Nothing happened. So I got on my

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<v Speaker 1>radio and I was whispering on there. I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get a hold of my dad. I hoped he

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<v Speaker 1>was home by then. And nothing. Nothing, And I tried

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<v Speaker 1>several times, and I said, okay, I'm out here on

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<v Speaker 1>my own with this thing. And I waited a few

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<v Speaker 1>more minutes and there was no sound, and I thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I am getting out of here, and how.

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<v Speaker 2>Long do you think of elapse? Like? What was that standoff?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that time period there? See your best guests, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it seemed like an eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like forever, but it was more than probably

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<v Speaker 1>up bet, I was probably there a good ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten minutes, I'll bet I waited that long.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be an eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an attorney. Oh, it seemed like forever, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, nope, I'm waiting for that thing to make

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<v Speaker 1>the first move. I thought, maybe it's going to go

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<v Speaker 1>away from me. I thought, there's no it's come this far.

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<v Speaker 1>It probably isn't going to turn around and walk back.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought, I want to see what I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what I'm dealing with here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I waited for it to come on inside that pile

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<v Speaker 1>or the other and nothing, and I was watching the

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<v Speaker 1>sky and it was starting to get the light was

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<v Speaker 1>starting to go a little bit, and I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I can't stay here much longer. I waited, and

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<v Speaker 1>at that time of night, you start losing your light

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly. But I knew I still had some time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I had quite a bit of ground to cover.

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<v Speaker 1>I still had half a mile, I would guess, And

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<v Speaker 1>I knew I had to quite a bit of brush

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<v Speaker 1>to go through and everything, and so I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be out there in the black with this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I turned and I got up, and I looked

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<v Speaker 1>directly below me was a skitter trail, skiter road that

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<v Speaker 1>took off down into the very bottom of the valley.

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<v Speaker 1>It was still probably good four or five hundred feet

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<v Speaker 1>away from me, the bottom of the very bottom there,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was an old well down there from settlers

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<v Speaker 1>way back in the day. And it was very clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, they had just logged the summer before,

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<v Speaker 1>so the road was very clear. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of old, bleached out rocker limbs on it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>made some quick glances as to where I was going.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to step on anything that was going

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<v Speaker 1>to snap or pop or give my location away anymore

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<v Speaker 1>than I had to. I kept my eyes on that pile,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got it very slowly and quietly, and worked

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<v Speaker 1>my way over to the skitterer trail, and I walked

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<v Speaker 1>down it, and stepping only on the bare dirt and

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<v Speaker 1>made sure I didn't step on anything that was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>pop or snap make any noise. And I continue to

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<v Speaker 1>walk down that trail and keeping my eyes behind me.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw anything come out in the open. And

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<v Speaker 1>I got down that trail, I would have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>probably three four hundred feet down that road, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was feeling pretty good by myself. I said, okay, I've

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<v Speaker 1>left this thing behind. It's staying there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>The more distance I can put between myself and that thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the better. And I was starting to feel pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>about myself. I said, okay, good, I'm making some distance

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<v Speaker 1>and getting along here. And on both sides of the

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<v Speaker 1>skid road there was a lot of heavy brush, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fine maple, a lot of dried out leaves

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<v Speaker 1>and limbs and everything you know, typical you know, small hemlocks,

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of noisy stuff. And you can never pass

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<v Speaker 1>through without making any without making a life noise, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I get down to the bottom of this skinter road

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a t's into another one going left and right,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a great big old growth seed they

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<v Speaker 1>had cut down, and the stump it was probably I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say, five feet across four to five feet

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<v Speaker 1>across at the butt, and but it was tall. It

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<v Speaker 1>was probably I'm I'm six four and back during that summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make a note of this. Back during

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<v Speaker 1>that summer, I was probably five six five seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you're a young man at the time. Yep, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>about what fifteen you said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, fifteen, almost sixteen. So I want to keep a

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<v Speaker 1>note of that. And the stump was about my height,

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<v Speaker 1>five and a half foot tall. I would guess the

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<v Speaker 1>top of that stump was. I get around behind that stump.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just turning left and gonna work my way over

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<v Speaker 1>across to our property line and work our way my

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<v Speaker 1>way back up the trail system through the woods. And

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<v Speaker 1>I turned left, got right behind that stump, and something

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<v Speaker 1>came barreling out of the brush up behind me, up

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<v Speaker 1>that skinner road off in the bushes. Something had been

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<v Speaker 1>over there, and it came jumping out of the bushes

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<v Speaker 1>and landed on that road, that hard packed road.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see this or did you hear it? I

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<v Speaker 2>heard this? You heard this? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>This thing it was like you were jumping off the

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<v Speaker 1>side of a rock cliff into water or something. This

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<v Speaker 1>thing had all its weight and force and it hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>And it had been stalking you, following you silently alongside

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<v Speaker 2>without you even knowing, for that what four hundred feet

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. Exactly. This was what got really weird.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you went behind this stump, thus putting you

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<v Speaker 2>out of sight, and that's when it made a much larger,

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<v Speaker 2>more obvious move.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, Okay. It landed on the road, and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell you how far up the road. I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it being more than about fifty feet away by the sound,

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<v Speaker 1>by the sound, and by this it took three to

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<v Speaker 1>four strides on two.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet toward me and grackling. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounded like Jurassic Park when the guy has the

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<v Speaker 1>cup of water and they hear the boom boom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that and you're the goat tied up in.

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<v Speaker 1>The exactly right. And that's exactly. It was very heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>You could hear the weight of this thing hit the

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<v Speaker 1>ground when it did. It wasn't a multitude of feet

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<v Speaker 1>like a bear would walk. It was one step after another,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took about four strides. And I got down

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<v Speaker 1>behind that stump on the ground, and I was hearing

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00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:39.920
<v Speaker 1>this thing coming. It sounded like I was out there

424
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<v Speaker 1>with Android the Giant. I remember just thinking I'm dead.

425
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:45.039
<v Speaker 1>This thing is so close to me. I said, I

426
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<v Speaker 1>don't have a chance, and I reached down. I got

427
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<v Speaker 1>a rocker limb, probably a three foot rocker limb. It

428
00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.200
<v Speaker 1>was probably a three four inch diamond or something, and

429
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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, I got one swing at this thing.

430
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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna hit it as hard as I can, right

431
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<v Speaker 1>in the face whatever it is. And I said, it's

432
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<v Speaker 1>either coming around the stump or it's coming over the top.

433
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<v Speaker 1>And it was. Again, it was coming directly in line

434
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<v Speaker 1>with me. It wasn't trying to go make a wide

435
00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.359
<v Speaker 1>sweep around this stump. It was coming right at me.

436
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<v Speaker 1>So I said, okay, this thing is going to come

437
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<v Speaker 1>over the top of the stump. I said, I'm hit

438
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<v Speaker 1>a full force and I got one swing at it,

439
00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be the end of me. My

440
00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.519
<v Speaker 1>adrenaline was going through the roof. I said, oh man.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, spoiler, he didn't die. He's sitting right here, I promise. Yeah.

442
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<v Speaker 1>And I said okay, and I waited, and like I say,

443
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<v Speaker 1>it took about three steps. Pretty good strides, I would say,

444
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<v Speaker 1>I would have to say it covered some ground. In

445
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<v Speaker 1>those steps and that put him right on the other

446
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<v Speaker 1>side of the stump. That put him directly on that

447
00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.680
<v Speaker 1>side of that stump, and I could hear it. I said,

448
00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.079
<v Speaker 1>oh man, he's right here. Whatever this is, it's right here.

449
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.759
<v Speaker 1>And I waited, and one more time that thing stood

450
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<v Speaker 1>there and didn't make any more noise, and I just thought,

451
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<v Speaker 1>this is this is agony. This is going to go

452
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<v Speaker 1>on forever. And I waited and I waited, and I

453
00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:04.599
<v Speaker 1>just expected. I knew my life was over. I said,

454
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>it is over. Whatever this thing is, it's huge and

455
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.400
<v Speaker 1>it's going to take me out. And I said, I

456
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.039
<v Speaker 1>got one crack at this. And I was waiting. I

457
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:19.640
<v Speaker 1>was crouched down, and well, that's a weird feeling when

458
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<v Speaker 1>you know when you think you're done, when you think

459
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:25.079
<v Speaker 1>you're done, you're signing out. I just said, I got

460
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:28.279
<v Speaker 1>five seconds. I hope it doesn't take forever. That's not

461
00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:32.960
<v Speaker 1>killing me. And then nothing, nothing, nothing.

462
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:35.480
<v Speaker 2>And it just stayed there. I stayed put.

463
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.440
<v Speaker 1>It did too, and I was walking the sky and

464
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it was starting to get more the dusk was coming,

465
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<v Speaker 1>and I said, I got to get out of here.

466
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I do not want to be down here on the

467
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<v Speaker 1>black and I said, okay, I'm not going to look.

468
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to stand up. I'm not going to make

469
00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>eye contact with this thing. It's right there and it

470
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.200
<v Speaker 1>knows where I'm at. There's no trying to hide from

471
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.519
<v Speaker 1>this thing anymore. I said, I'm gonna turn around and

472
00:23:57.519 --> 00:23:59.000
<v Speaker 1>put my back to it, and I'm going to walk

473
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<v Speaker 1>directly away from it. And I did that. Instead of

474
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 1>going left up that skinter road up into our property,

475
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.079
<v Speaker 1>I decided to cut straight across the rest of the valley,

476
00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>pass that well and on up into the woods up

477
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<v Speaker 1>to our rightway.

478
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 2>That was a more direct route to your house. Is

479
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 2>that why?

480
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.759
<v Speaker 1>It was a direct route to our gravel road?

481
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if you would have gone left, you would

482
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.200
<v Speaker 2>have been on your property sooner, But that wouldn't have

483
00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.200
<v Speaker 2>brought you home sooner, right, Okay, I want to understand that. Okay, yep, it.

484
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<v Speaker 1>Would have put us me on the property, but I

485
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.319
<v Speaker 1>would have had to have hiked up the trail system.

486
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.160
<v Speaker 1>We got some tractor roads up in there, and they

487
00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:38.599
<v Speaker 1>zigzag all over through the woods, and it would have

488
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<v Speaker 1>put me in a lot darker area with bigger timber,

489
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and I did not want I wanted as much light

490
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>as I could have with that thing. I wanted to

491
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>be able to see as much as possible. So yes,

492
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>that was a direct as most direct route as I

493
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.759
<v Speaker 1>could to a main road and then from there go

494
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<v Speaker 1>to the house. And I remember I just thought, Okay,

495
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I I got a walk. I cannot run from this thing.

496
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, I'm thinking this is a bear, I guess,

497
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>because that's the only thing that's big enough.

498
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Though, yeah, you were what were you thinking at that point?

499
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know you thought you were gonna die.

500
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>You didn't know what you were dealing with. But so

501
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:16.240
<v Speaker 2>a bear was your best guess.

502
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.759
<v Speaker 1>Bear was my best guess. I thought, Okay, it's big,

503
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.519
<v Speaker 1>it's really heavy. It's stocking me. It's way too heavy

504
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.799
<v Speaker 1>for any cougar elk would never do this, Dear, anything

505
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 1>I had encountered in the woods would never do this.

506
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought, bear is my only option.

507
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 2>What about a person? Any thoughts of it being a

508
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<v Speaker 2>person at the time.

509
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>It well, I knew a person could never cover the

510
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.920
<v Speaker 1>ground it did. I couldn't certainly never run that fast.

511
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.519
<v Speaker 1>And I knew the woods. I was very agile in

512
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the woods. My sister both and I both and I

513
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 1>knew nothing could cover that ground. Coming down that hill

514
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.279
<v Speaker 1>through the woods with all that brush fighting, the the

515
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>vine maple and the log stuff. You guys had to

516
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>climb up over logs that were five six feet tall.

517
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.319
<v Speaker 2>You had to climb over. I knew no one.

518
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:05.839
<v Speaker 1>There was no athlete that could make that, and so

519
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.559
<v Speaker 1>I know bears can run really fast downhill. I thought,

520
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 1>that's my best bet. So that's what I was sticking with.

521
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I got, this is a really big bear. It didn't

522
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>act like a bear sneaking around the woods being totally quiet,

523
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.279
<v Speaker 1>because bears are noisy in the woods. They clump around

524
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and there's all kinds of noise in the brush. They

525
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.880
<v Speaker 1>don't care about their how much racket they're making. So

526
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that was very weird. I didn't know what I was

527
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 1>dealing with, but I my only guess was I had

528
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>a really big bear that was pissed to me.

529
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.640
<v Speaker 2>And at this point, how far did you have to

530
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>make it across the valley to get to the house.

531
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I was probably a good I.

532
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Know you closed some distance from the original, yeah.

533
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 1>But I was at this point. Yeah, it's hard to

534
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.839
<v Speaker 1>say I was a good. A couple of thousand feet

535
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 1>from the house, I'd guess.

536
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>A quarter mile or something like that. Maybe, yeah, okay,

537
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 2>probably still plenty far as it's getting dark. Thing is

538
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:01.200
<v Speaker 2>stalking you.

539
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:03.839
<v Speaker 1>And I just thought, yeah, this is not good. I said,

540
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:04.759
<v Speaker 1>this is not a good situation.

541
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 2>This is swim across this pool. There's only nine sharks in.

542
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:08.400
<v Speaker 1>It, exactly right.

543
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 2>How bad it goes the other side of the pool is.

544
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 2>You can make that just sharks.

545
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I know, right, how good a swimmer are you. That's

546
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:21.119
<v Speaker 1>a good time to walk on water. And so I

547
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 1>turned put my back to it and I just walked

548
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 1>directly in the line down across the valley and I

549
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>had some good distance to go, and I knew I

550
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>had to do that. I thought, I'm gonna do my

551
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:38.039
<v Speaker 1>best to not show any fear. And I'm not making

552
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>eye contact with it. I'm not looking at it. I said,

553
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.279
<v Speaker 1>if I look at it, it'll freak me out in

554
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.799
<v Speaker 1>the first place, and in the second place, it'll know

555
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm scared, and it'll just that'll be the end of me.

556
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 1>So that's what my dad had always taught me. You

557
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>just don't You can't run from uh. If you are

558
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 1>dealing with a bear, you can't run from it. You

559
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:01.799
<v Speaker 1>gotta stick home. You gotta walk and try to be

560
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>as calm as possible. And so I said, okay, that's

561
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 1>my best bet. So I turned and walked down across

562
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>that valley through the brush and everything, and there was

563
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of rocker limbs, dead fur limbs that

564
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>were bleached out. They lose their bark, and they're in

565
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the sun. It had been a year ago when they logged,

566
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and so the limbs had sat out there all this

567
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>time and lost all their bark, and they were white

568
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 1>like whalebones down across the valley here. So I got

569
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>down across there and up into the woods. I hiked

570
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 1>up through the woods up to the road, and I'd

571
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>put quite a bit distance between me and an.

572
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>And you didn't get in to hear it moving behind

573
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>me or anything at that point.

574
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 1>And I tried it still, just try to watch where

575
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I was a step, and I just I know it.

576
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>It could hear me, fine, but I felt better if

577
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.559
<v Speaker 1>I didn't make a whole lot of noise. And I

578
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>put some distance between me. I put it's hard to

579
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>say a good distance five hundred feet to a thousand

580
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>feet probably behind me, I would guess. And I thought, okay,

581
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 1>this is good. I'm still alive. So I got down

582
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.519
<v Speaker 1>across the valley, up through the woods, quite a distance

583
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 1>up to our driveway. I thought, okay, I'm gonna look

584
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>back now. I said, I've made it this far. I

585
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 1>don't hear anything behind me. I said, this is good.

586
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I've made it this far. I thought, maybe it has

587
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>left me alone. And I turned and looked, and I

588
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>looked back across that large section of a couple hundred feet,

589
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>probably where all those white limbs were, and I can

590
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>see this big black thing coming at me.

591
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 2>And it was just.

592
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't spend a lot of time looking at it.

593
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>It was on all fours, it wasn't on two feet.

594
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>But it was a big square object coming at me, a.

595
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Big square shadow sort of thing growing through the clear

596
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>cut with slim so it contrasted really nicely about the

597
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>white background.

598
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.799
<v Speaker 1>It was solid black and big and big and very square,

599
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't square very square like blocky, very broad shoulders,

600
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>very different. And I thought, oh crap, this thing's still

601
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 1>coming at me, but it was long ways away from me.

602
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

603
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after these messages, I had a lot.

604
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Of distance between me and it, and I said, I

605
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>think if it stays and it was moving pretty slow and.

606
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Kind of creeping, or is it just kind of cruising

607
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>at a slow pace or what would you describe its movement.

608
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>As It's hard to say because I had a lot

609
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 1>of distance between me and it, but it was I

610
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to say it. It was moving, it

611
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:02.319
<v Speaker 1>was taking strides, but it wasn't going very fast.

612
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't in a hurry. Did it move like a

613
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>bear because it wasn't all fours and you must have

614
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>thought that at the time, right.

615
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I did, And it was far enough away, and I thought, okay,

616
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 1>well it's a bear. It's a really big bear. And

617
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I was under the impression at that time of my life,

618
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't dealt with a lot of bears, and I

619
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 1>was under the depression that bears could get that big.

620
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Until later years I started researching our local black bears,

621
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and they don't get that big. This was a discovery

622
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I made. I'm thankful I didn't know this back then,

623
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 1>but I just figured it was a really big bear.

624
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 1>So it was coming at me on all fours and

625
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I said, Okay, it's still coming at me. I gotta

626
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>go and I can't watch this any longer. And I

627
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 1>turned and I was in a hurry then, but I

628
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>was still walking, and I said, I my adrenaline was going,

629
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 1>and I remember just thinking, I was just telling myself

630
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 1>really sternly in my head, I said, I can run

631
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.839
<v Speaker 1>from this thing. I absolutely cannot run. It's still coming

632
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>at me.

633
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 2>And you're within that You said you're at the top

634
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>of the driveways. You're within a thousand feet of your house. Now, yep,

635
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 2>I was almost in.

636
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>It was the lower part of the driveway, so I

637
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 1>still had a good eight hundred feet to go. I

638
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 1>would assume on the driveway up to the top or

639
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a crest, and then we have a pasture there and

640
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.839
<v Speaker 1>goes up to the house and to the crest of

641
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the hill there, I had probably eight hundred feet.

642
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I would dissue, you're still quite a distance away, but

643
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>to safety.

644
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 1>But it gets deeper, the road gets steep, the ground

645
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 1>gets real steep. So I had I knew I had

646
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a challenge. I couldn't easily. I couldn't run, and I

647
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 1>couldn't run, and I couldn't show a lot of fear

648
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and emotion and everything. I knew I had to stay calm,

649
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 1>But I thought I got a lot of distance between

650
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.799
<v Speaker 1>me and this thing. I was eight hundred feet to

651
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the top, and I was probably eight hundred feet behind me.

652
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>And I said, oh, I get I'm probably pretty good

653
00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>on this even though I'm going uphill, and it will

654
00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 1>be able to cover ground faster. I thought, well, I'm

655
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>probably a little bit safer, but I'm gonna keep booking.

656
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>And I was at a very brisk walk. I was

657
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>not calmly walking. I was like at a power walk.

658
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.039
<v Speaker 1>But I did not want to break stride into a run.

659
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And I remember I was in a full sweat and

660
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I was freaked out, and I was wanting to be

661
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>out of there as quickly as possible. And I so

662
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I turned and I went up the driveway and I

663
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>got about three hundred feet up the road and I

664
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>covered it very quickly. I turned around, and it had

665
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:43.559
<v Speaker 1>covered that ground amazingly quick through the woods. And I

666
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it changed direction. I don't know if

667
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 1>it had instead of following me up to the road

668
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and then had traveled up the road behind me. I

669
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it had cut across the gap or

670
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 1>what it did. I turned around and it was on

671
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:02.319
<v Speaker 1>the driveway with me, and it was, I want to say,

672
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>probably thirty to forty feet behind me.

673
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 2>That is nothing.

674
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.360
<v Speaker 1>It was nothing and it and it freaked me out

675
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 1>that it had covered diamonds ground so quickly.

676
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were power walking and it covered you said,

677
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 2>about the same distance behind you as you had to go.

678
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>It covered twice the distance that you did in that

679
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>same amount of time. And now now it's thirty forty feet.

680
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I know the light is failing, but you must be

681
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>able to see it better now.

682
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>It was standing in an area and where I was,

683
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and it was. It was an area where the trees

684
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.159
<v Speaker 1>overhead weren't very thick and let a lot of light in.

685
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:44.039
<v Speaker 1>And I remember looking back at this and it didn't look.

686
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Like a bear. Was it still on all fours? It

687
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 2>was on all fours.

688
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>It looked like a gorilla as far as I could tell.

689
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.199
<v Speaker 1>It had very broad shoulders when it walked. It didn't

690
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 1>swing back and forth, have the the looseness of a

691
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>bear height. It was very sold. It looked the way

692
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 1>it walked or the way it was on all fours,

693
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it looked like a quarterback, a football player. And it

694
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>had really big shoulders and they were very square, and

695
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 1>its shoulders moved. It had very powerful shoulders and they moved.

696
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 1>It looked like a gorilla you would see on a

697
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>national geographic or something. It was very square and the

698
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 1>head was very blunt. I did not see a snout.

699
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I did not see a tan snout for a bear.

700
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.480
<v Speaker 1>The whole thing was black, and it was very wide.

701
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 1>It was shoulder to shoulder. I would have to say

702
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the thing was four feet I would guess it was

703
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>probably if it had come out beside me, it wouldn't

704
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>have been much shorter than me on all fours.

705
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:56.480
<v Speaker 2>And at the time you were five and a half feet,

706
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 2>that was not five and a half, so that you're

707
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.599
<v Speaker 2>would five feet be a good guess.

708
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 1>I'd guess four and a half five foot tall.

709
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 2>This the height on all fours. Mind you, standing up

710
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 2>on two legs, it would have just towered above you. Okay.

711
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.199
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, it had been big, and that would have been

712
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.559
<v Speaker 1>right at the top of its back, on the back

713
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of its neck on all fours.

714
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 2>When it was on all fours, did like you know

715
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.360
<v Speaker 2>how like bears, for example, kind of are like bigger

716
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 2>in the butt so to speak, Like you know, they're

717
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of pear shaped towards it. Like, how would you

718
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>describe the body shape being on all fours. I'm curious

719
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 2>about the posture of it was on all fours, it was.

720
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Like I say, like a gorilla, huge, massive shoulders, smaller butt.

721
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Now gorilla, when it's walking on all fours, the shoulder

722
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 2>is much higher than the rear end, but the bears

723
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 2>would almost be opposite of that. Right, Where was it

724
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 2>in that sort of gradient?

725
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 1>The tail was lower than the shoulders not, I mean,

726
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't stop really researching.

727
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Your memory.

728
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the best my memory is the head was in line.

729
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>The vertebrae in the head were all in line. I

730
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>would say that the rear on this thing was at

731
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the same height of the shoulders or lower.

732
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So kind of flatish across, maybe maybe almost horizontal

733
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>or a little less.

734
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And it was at an angle. It was going uphill

735
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.039
<v Speaker 1>the same as I was. It was a little bit

736
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 1>of a pretty flatter area, right there, had a little

737
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>bit of an incline, but I would say it was

738
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.280
<v Speaker 1>fairly flat. But yeah, the tail end of this thing

739
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>was down lower than the shoulders.

740
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's another question that you may or may not know.

741
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 2>And again I don't know. It is a great answer

742
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>because it's obviously the truth. You know. But and you

743
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 2>can't possibly not only remember everything, but notice everything in

744
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.760
<v Speaker 2>such a harrowing circumstance. Right when you saw this thing

745
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 2>where the front pause, shall we stack the hands? Was

746
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 2>it walking on an open hand or was it can

747
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 2>we be walking on the knuckles? Notice that even.

748
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>From what I would say, is it looked like it

749
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 1>had its knuckles, its hands curled into a fist and

750
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 1>was walking on its fists. Okay, that's very interesting what

751
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I would say. And it and the face looked very

752
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 1>flat to me.

753
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:09.119
<v Speaker 2>It just was.

754
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.199
<v Speaker 1>And it was solid black. This thing couldn't have gotten

755
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>any blacker. There was no light skin on this. On

756
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:15.519
<v Speaker 1>the face of this.

757
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 2>You're just basically looking at a shadow when the feeling

758
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 2>was solid black. That's creepy. It was.

759
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.559
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see an the eyes. I couldn't see anything. Now,

760
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to get.

761
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Close enough for me to see its eyes. But when

762
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:26.639
<v Speaker 2>you were close.

763
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Y and I I mean that, that put me over

764
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the edge. I said, oh man, this thing is so

765
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:40.280
<v Speaker 1>close to me and it was covering even on all fours.

766
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>I watched it. I just glanced back at it and

767
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I and I looked at it, and I watched taco stride.

768
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 1>I gave it about one stride and it had I

769
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine it. It covered any less than about four

770
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 1>feet to a stride of its arms, and that's all

771
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I gave it. And I said, I turned, and boy,

772
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that was the hardest part I did. I wanted to

773
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>run so bad. I remember that, and it was freaked

774
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I was freaked out. I was freaked out, like there's

775
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 1>no shame in that. And it was almost dark, and

776
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, I got so much and I got

777
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>to go through it. The rest of the woods now

778
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.880
<v Speaker 1>gets darker from here to the house, and I said, oh,

779
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>this is.

780
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>This is not good.

781
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't like this at all. I got about I

782
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 1>turned and I started in the hill right then get steeper,

783
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the steepest part of that area. And so I turned

784
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>around and I never looked back again. But I got

785
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>about ten feet up the road and our Roddy's just

786
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:53.559
<v Speaker 1>started going ballistic, and like I'd never heard them before.

787
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 2>They just started.

788
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Coming on glued and mark and then snarling and just

789
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 1>carrying on. We had both pretty good sized dogs, one

790
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:08.559
<v Speaker 1>hundred and hundred and twenty five pound dogs, and they

791
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 1>just went ballistic. And I said, oh, this is good.

792
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 1>This is probably gonna help me maybe, And I didn't know,

793
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and I just kept run on walking. I think at

794
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 1>that point there's an old road that takes off into

795
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the woods when they logged our place back in the fifties,

796
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and it veers off into the woods. And I think

797
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.639
<v Speaker 1>at that point that that thing turned when it heard

798
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the dogs. I think it turned and went right down

799
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that trail off into the woods again. I think it

800
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>might have left me at that point. And I turned.

801
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I kept right on walking. I never looked back, and

802
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I had so much of my own chatter going on

803
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:47.599
<v Speaker 1>in my head. I was pretty much yelling at myself

804
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 1>in my head to not run. And I walked up

805
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.679
<v Speaker 1>to the house, and everybody asked me, why didn't I

806
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 1>just go and get right between those dogs, And I

807
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I had a one track mind. And I

808
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>walked up to the top, I passed the house and

809
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>went all the way out to the barn.

810
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I had to go through some more woods.

811
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I got inside that bar and slammed the door, and

812
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't come out for an hour. I turned all

813
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the lights on i could, and eventually my folks came

814
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>home and I said, well, cry, I mean, I got

815
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.119
<v Speaker 1>to go through the woods back to the house, and

816
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 1>it took me a long time to get enough courage

817
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 1>to go back out in those woods. I mean, and

818
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 1>it didn't stop me from going into the woods after this.

819
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 1>It freaked me out. I remember, for a couple of weeks.

820
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

821
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:38.599
<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after these messages. Did you tell

822
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 2>your parents when they came home. I didn't. Did they

823
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 2>notice you might have been a little ill reached out?

824
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:45.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

825
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think I had calmed down a good bit.

826
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember telling my dad about it until about

827
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>a month.

828
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Later, and.

829
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I just assumed it was a bear. And like I say,

830
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>it didn't keep me out of the woods that I

831
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 1>was very comfortable. We were always very comfortable in the woods.

832
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 1>I remember for about two weeks I was very freaked

833
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 1>out about meeting that thing in the woods again, and

834
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't go very far. But after that I slowly

835
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>got used to it again, and I was out there

836
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>again it's always been something that's an encounter of mine

837
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that's been in my mind. And I had never encountered

838
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. Again, Like I was gonna say, a

839
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 1>few years ago, probably three years ago, I was researching bears.

840
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 1>I had seen a stuffed one, and by stuffed, I

841
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 1>mean something that somebody bear, somebody shot and they'd had

842
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it right picking it to a text durmist. And it

843
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>was a full grown male black bear and it was tiny,

844
00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and I thought this must be a baby.

845
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was tiny.

846
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it was up on its hind legs and

847
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't more than about five feet at max. Five

848
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 1>and a half feet or something. And I thought this

849
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 1>thing and bitty, a little bear compared to that thing

850
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that chased me out of the woods. And so I

851
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 1>started researching bears and they I realized that they didn't

852
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:20.039
<v Speaker 1>get as big as that thing I had seen, nor

853
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.159
<v Speaker 1>did they look like the shape wasn't the same, nothing

854
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 1>was the same. And so I had started researching bigfoot

855
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and out of my own curiosity, just kind of wondering

856
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.920
<v Speaker 1>what their habits were and their aggressiveness and behaviors and

857
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. And I would just say that

858
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.559
<v Speaker 1>I've gone back to that same area in the woods

859
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:45.760
<v Speaker 1>many times afterwards, and it hasn't stopped me from going

860
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.519
<v Speaker 1>out there, and I've certainly looked forward to seeing one again,

861
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 1>hopefully not under those aggressive conditions. Whatever it was that

862
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.079
<v Speaker 1>set it off, I don't know, if it didn't recognize

863
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>my sin, thought I was a trespassed in that area,

864
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 1>and was there to chase me out, and then once

865
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>it got close enough.

866
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it could send me since me. I don't know.

867
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what caused that, and I've wanted to.

868
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I've constantly, still today been trying to find out what

869
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 1>that was about, why that aggression. But about a year ago,

870
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I was exactly a year ago, in January last year,

871
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I was out in that same area going for a

872
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 1>hike and just enjoying the snow. There was some snow

873
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, remember, about six eight inches. I was

874
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>up on that same part of the mountain coming down,

875
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 1>just a little bit different a couple I would say,

876
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe three hundred feet away, on a different slope of

877
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 1>that mountain, coming down and just meandering through the woods,

878
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.239
<v Speaker 1>and I was coming down through some heavy Now there

879
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 1>were seedlings back in the day when I was out

880
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.280
<v Speaker 1>there at my first encounterment town years ago or yeah,

881
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago. Now it's their fur and a lot

882
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 1>of hemlock seedlings that are now twenty feet tall, and

883
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of heavy brush, you know, and I'm moving

884
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>limbs out of my way and stuff. And I come out.

885
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I had just broken down to the big timber down

886
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:15.679
<v Speaker 1>into this the twenty year old growth, and it was

887
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>dusk and about the same time of night that I

888
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>had my first encounters, and I moved back some limbs.

889
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I come down into a small area and there was

890
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.679
<v Speaker 1>a it looked like the ball root of an overturned stump,

891
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 1>and the ground was pretty smooth. It was a hump

892
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.199
<v Speaker 1>and the hump wasn't more than about I'm gonna guess

893
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 1>three to four feet tall, I would say, and kind

894
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 1>of a big oval hump from an old stump that

895
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>was rotten, dirt on top of it and everything. And I

896
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>know it's directly behind it, and it wasn't very far

897
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 1>from me. This was probably twenty feet from me at best.

898
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.639
<v Speaker 1>And I noticed that behind it was a very black

899
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 1>shadow and it was hidden in the trees. There were

900
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 1>some trees over the top of it and around it.

901
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Was pretty thick around me, but I can see that distance,

902
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and I just noticed that something that was I mean,

903
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the shadows are dark, but something was standing directly behind

904
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:24.679
<v Speaker 1>that ritball, and it looked very much if you were

905
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to take the statue you have in the back room,

906
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 1>blot out all the brown fur and the eyes and

907
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 1>all that, and just make a silhouette of that, it's

908
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>what it looked like.

909
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>It was had a very large head.

910
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:40.360
<v Speaker 1>It looked like it was mounted into the shoulders, and

911
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the shoulders tapered down and outward in about three to

912
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 1>four feet. And being it was downhill for me, just

913
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, not very much of a decline there,

914
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:56.679
<v Speaker 1>and I am six four almost sixty five now, and

915
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.039
<v Speaker 1>I was pretty much eye to eye with it, so

916
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>it had to have been a little taller than me,

917
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.679
<v Speaker 1>being downhill from me, and I thought. I just stopped

918
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 1>and looked at it, and I thought, what am I

919
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>looking at? And I couldn't see any face again. Oh, Now,

920
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 1>it was dusk, I will say, and it was kind

921
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 1>of in the low light levels under the twenty footers

922
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in the trees, so there was some shadows in there,

923
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 1>and there was a lot of sunlight. Now the snow

924
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 1>was on the ground. The wind was blowing, and a

925
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of snow was falling out of the trees and stuff,

926
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:32.280
<v Speaker 1>so there was noise. It wasn't quiet like that summer

927
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:38.360
<v Speaker 1>had been my first encounter. But I took it as

928
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:41.760
<v Speaker 1>a shadow. I said, okay, well, I'm gonna walk over

929
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 1>this thing and see what it is. And I hadn't

930
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 1>hadn't hardly moved toward it, and suddenly that object behind

931
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that stump turned. Yeah, suddenly it went from a shadow

932
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to it was alive, and it turned to its I

933
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>assuming it was facing me. It turned to its left.

934
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Immediately, and.

935
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>It had a profile of the head tapered back into

936
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the shoulders. It had pretty good shoulders. They rounded backwards

937
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:20.679
<v Speaker 1>and then down the back you could see the pectorials

938
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 1>of a chest. It was a male, I have a feeling,

939
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 1>tapered off slant and then down and it was I

940
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 1>would have to say it had been about the same size.

941
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>As your statue back there, which is seven and a

942
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 2>half feet tall in about three feet wide, probably I'm

943
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>guessing maybe.

944
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>A little more yep, right, yeah, And it was probably wet.

945
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see any fuzzy hair standing up it looked

946
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>like it had been out there in the water gotten

947
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.679
<v Speaker 1>pretty good soaked, so nothing was standing up. It turned

948
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 1>with amazing agility and ran. I couldn't see its legs.

949
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It just was behind that dirt mount and it just

950
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 1>disappeared to my eight because I was facing it, and

951
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.800
<v Speaker 1>there was a tree there just out of sight, a

952
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:07.599
<v Speaker 1>tree trunk.

953
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 2>It ran.

954
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I assume it ran around that tree. I don't know why,

955
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>but I guess it couldn't get away from me without

956
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>having to go to its left around the trunk of

957
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 1>that tree, and then ran straight away from me. And

958
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>I got to see it run through the woods for

959
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 1>probably fifty feet, and as it ran directly away from

960
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.400
<v Speaker 1>me and off to my left slightly. And its arms,

961
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:39.280
<v Speaker 1>it had long arms, and they were swinging back and

962
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:40.199
<v Speaker 1>forth as it ran.

963
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Were they extended or we like pumping like a like

964
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.239
<v Speaker 2>a jogger mite, you know, like bending at the elbow,

965
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.280
<v Speaker 2>or long and extended, long and extended, and its hands

966
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.280
<v Speaker 2>were opened, hands were open open, and it was flinging

967
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 2>those hands back and forth as it ran very quickly,

968
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and the arms were coming completely out horizontal in front

969
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 2>of it, behind it, and in front of it, and

970
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.320
<v Speaker 2>they were going back and forth, and the palms were open,

971
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and it turned and it ran, and it just disappeared.

972
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 2>I just watched it get smaller and smaller as it

973
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.559
<v Speaker 2>ran off into the woods. And like I say, I

974
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 2>can't comment on the sound because of other woods sounds

975
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>for sounds are but the speed it ran, I'm thankful

976
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:25.239
<v Speaker 2>it ran away from me, had to run towards me.

977
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I would have been not so calm but it and

978
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't care. I watched it disappear into the woods,

979
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't think a thing of it. I just said, oh, well, okay,

980
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:41.159
<v Speaker 1>and I continued on my hike and went about my way,

981
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 1>and it turned. It moved so fast that I was

982
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>wondering what I was looking at. I thought, am I

983
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:51.039
<v Speaker 1>really seeing this? Never seeing thing run so fast? And

984
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 1>it was gone so quickly. I thought, if I had

985
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 1>a rifle with me, ad rifle with wine in the chamber,

986
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and that thing had decided to run at me, I thought,

987
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I even at twenty feet, I thought, there is a

988
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.760
<v Speaker 1>very small chance that I would ever be able to

989
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 1>get my barrel up at that thing and take a shot.

990
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:20.000
<v Speaker 1>It moved so quick you never get a second shot.

991
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 1>If you got a first shot that thing. You'd never

992
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 1>get a second shot if it didn't kill it the

993
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 1>first time. So that is how quick they moved. I

994
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize they moved that fast. And I don't know

995
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 1>what age group that thing was, but that bigfoot was.

996
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't there to harm me. It was just

997
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:43.159
<v Speaker 1>observing me, and like I say, more interested in their habitat,

998
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and I'm definitely not.

999
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Scared of them.

1000
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 1>I look forward to more encounters than I might have

1001
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>with them.

1002
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 2>We've had two encounters in twenty years within a couple

1003
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.880
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards of one another. You obviously live in a

1004
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.239
<v Speaker 2>place that they at least passed through occasionally, which brings

1005
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 2>to mind a question you mentioned after your first three

1006
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 2>After your first encounter with these things when you were fifteen,

1007
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.480
<v Speaker 2>you didn't mention it to your dad for about a month.

1008
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.679
<v Speaker 2>When you did mention it to your dad, did you

1009
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>describe it as a bear or something weirder? And what

1010
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 2>was his reaction?

1011
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Dad is a really hard person to convince of anything.

1012
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't believe in big foil. I should say he

1013
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't generally believe the sightings of Bigfoot are bigfoot here everybody.

1014
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.199
<v Speaker 1>He thinks that they're bears people see. And he doesn't

1015
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:36.360
<v Speaker 1>believe in UFOs or any stuff. And so to tell

1016
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.280
<v Speaker 1>you that my dad that I had an encounter it

1017
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 1>was something huge in the woods. He's probably not.

1018
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Going to believe it, but oh, you believe you saw something.

1019
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I saw something. He wrote it off as a bear,

1020
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:48.639
<v Speaker 1>A bear. I told him about after a month and

1021
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:50.800
<v Speaker 1>he just said, yeah, that's a.

1022
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Bear, and you thought it was a bear at the time.

1023
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a bear. I thought it was

1024
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:54.360
<v Speaker 2>a really big bear.

1025
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>But kodiak bear or something I don't know, and and

1026
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:00.920
<v Speaker 1>that that's what it was.

1027
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 2>And it was left to that for all these years,

1028
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 2>has there been other activity on your property, either that

1029
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:10.320
<v Speaker 2>you're aware of being bigfoot or now looking back, you

1030
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:12.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of wonder, well, gosh, maybe that was a big foot.

1031
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Well I've spoken with my sister who lives in Vermont

1032
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:23.280
<v Speaker 1>now and she comes back on occasions and see the family,

1033
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and I've spoken to her about this and we agree that.

1034
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, after having come to your museum here right

1035
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 1>away the first time I came and heard all the

1036
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.519
<v Speaker 1>sounds that you have recorded in the back, I've heard

1037
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.639
<v Speaker 1>the whoops those call the three whoops in a row.

1038
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that. We've heard those.

1039
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.079
<v Speaker 1>And the tree knocks throughout our lives in the woods,

1040
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and more of the tree knocks than anything we've heard.

1041
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you how many of those in the

1042
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:54.760
<v Speaker 2>woods when we were kids.

1043
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.360
<v Speaker 1>And we always just thought it was some great, big,

1044
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 1>some woodpecker that was out there, that the sound was

1045
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.840
<v Speaker 1>echoing off the walls of the mountains, you know, because

1046
00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 1>that sound carries good out there, but in just strange

1047
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 1>forest noise. We couldn't explain. We didn't know what they were.

1048
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.400
<v Speaker 1>But looking back, I know exactly what they were now

1049
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 1>that i've heard yours.

1050
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:15.480
<v Speaker 2>The whoops.

1051
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.639
<v Speaker 1>I heard those out in the woods once when I

1052
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.400
<v Speaker 1>was out dirt bike and when I was younger, same era,

1053
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<v Speaker 1>I was late teens. I got way up in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods on a dead end road and a logging road

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<v Speaker 1>way up there, and I was out messed around the

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<v Speaker 1>woods and I heard those and they were pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and it freaked me out and I got

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<v Speaker 1>out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming down through the woods from uphill some distance up

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<v Speaker 1>through the woods. There was a quick run down through

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<v Speaker 1>the valley through there between two slopes, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>heavily timbered, and I heard that three in succession, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were pretty loud, and I just got a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like I wasn't supposed to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember I jumped on my dirt bike and

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<v Speaker 2>I was gone. There's something clearly about that your particular

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<v Speaker 2>area they like. And I would be confident in saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they're there. Are a lot more than you realize,

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<v Speaker 2>probably always have been and probably hopefully always will be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, And I hope to my folks don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>the same, but I hope to experience more encounters. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been up there all this time, never see anything, And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm hopeful. I say, hey, we'll see when again,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't like that they're still a live Then

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<v Speaker 1>they're still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>And did you tell them about your encounter last January?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh?

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<v Speaker 2>And they have any comments about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? They after all this time. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of known to all of us that they exist.

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<v Speaker 1>They're out there, and from what I've found in other sources,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. They're not there to harm you. You're in

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<v Speaker 1>their territory and they watch you out of curiosity. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have no reason to feel that they're out there

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<v Speaker 1>to harm us, and that's why I'm curious to see

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<v Speaker 1>another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if your parents are still around and they're up

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<v Speaker 2>for it, you give me a hauler, bring them in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let them into the back for free, and they

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<v Speaker 2>can prouse the whole place and check it out and

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<v Speaker 2>see if the evidence that we have back there is

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<v Speaker 2>enough to open their mind a little bit further. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds good, Cliff, all right, cool, Well, I think with

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<v Speaker 2>that we'll just go ahead and close this one down.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry Bobo wasn't here. After you guys are out

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<v Speaker 2>there listening to just me. I'm sorry to subject the

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<v Speaker 2>audience to Jess Cliff without the dilution of Bobo whatever

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<v Speaker 2>that offers. But thank you so much for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Subscribe and hit things and push buttons and

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<v Speaker 2>do everything you can to help us, whatever those things are.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not very socially media fluent, so you know what

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<v Speaker 2>those things are. But most importantly, tell your friends be

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<v Speaker 2>kind to one another, and above all, keep it squatchy.

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