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Speaker 2: with Cliff and Bobo. However this week it is only Cliff.
Speaker 2: Bobo is on a field investigation. I guess something about
Speaker 2: a fly fisherman was chased out of an area and
Speaker 2: goodness knows what's happening. I got a frantic phone call
Speaker 2: from Bobo the other night explaining his inavailability this week,
Speaker 2: so he is not going to be available for a podcast,
Speaker 2: so it is up to me. But I guess that's
Speaker 2: part of the reason we have two hosts on this podcast,
Speaker 2: so in case one of us is out doing something
Speaker 2: in the woods, the other one can cover for them.
Speaker 2: So that's what we have going. So it's Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: Beyond with Cliff and occasionally Bobo when he's not in
Speaker 2: the field. And this week you got me. You got Cliff.
Speaker 2: I'm coming at you from the North American Bigfoot Center
Speaker 2: and Boring, Oregon, and today I have a witness that
Speaker 2: I met personally, probably with this past summer or something
Speaker 2: like that. I don't remember. I could check my notes,
Speaker 2: you know, I only have so much ram I don't
Speaker 2: remember as much as I used to. So anyway, this guy,
Speaker 2: his name, his name is not John, but that's what
Speaker 2: we're going to be calling him today, John Doe. Essentially,
Speaker 2: this gentleman came into the shop at some point in
Speaker 2: the last six months and shared his two bigfoot encounters
Speaker 2: with me. Of course, we put a pin on the
Speaker 2: wall at the location in our public map so everybody
Speaker 2: can check out where that is approximately. Because our map
Speaker 2: isn't detailed enough to give away any spots, it just
Speaker 2: kind of gives you a good idea where things are happening.
Speaker 2: But this gentleman John came in and he shared the location.
Speaker 2: And I'm very familiar with the location. There's a ton
Speaker 2: of bigfoot reports from very close by to this location,
Speaker 2: and we're not going to tell you where that is either, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: because he lives there and he doesn't want you know.
Speaker 2: Our kind tinfoil hat wearing weirdos, sniffing around in the woods,
Speaker 2: or god forbid, people with guns cruising around shooting at
Speaker 2: bipedal figures in the dark. That could be he or
Speaker 2: his family. It could. Yeah, so we don't want that,
Speaker 2: or nor his neighbors for that matter. But anyway, this
Speaker 2: guy's very credible. I spoke to him at length the
Speaker 2: first time he came in the shop, and he visited
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, and I thought that this guy
Speaker 2: would be a great guess for Bigfoot and beyond because
Speaker 2: his stories are so bone chilling in a couple of ways.
Speaker 2: And you'll see what I'm talking about in a minute.
Speaker 2: The location, though, we're not going to tell you where
Speaker 2: that is, but we will tell you it is in
Speaker 2: the foothills of Mount Hood. I think that's close enough.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't want you to know where I
Speaker 2: lived either, so I wouldn't tell you where I live
Speaker 2: beyond that detail foothills of Mount Hood, but it's not
Speaker 2: far away. So this is an area I'm very familiar with,
Speaker 2: and a ton of big Foot stuff happens there. And
Speaker 2: I was thankful to get two reports from less than
Speaker 2: what probably two miles away from each other. I think
Speaker 2: or even closer. But we'll get into that. This is
Speaker 2: definitely a cluster and an area that we are keeping
Speaker 2: a close eye on here at the North American Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Center for more reports in the area. So if you're listening,
Speaker 2: you have reports from the foothills of Mount Hood, come
Speaker 2: on into the NABC and share it with us and
Speaker 2: we'll compare notes and see if it's the same area
Speaker 2: or not. But in the meantime, here is not John,
Speaker 2: but that's what we're gonna call him. Hey, John, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for coming into the shop today and
Speaker 2: talking to me.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Cliff, I appreciate you have me in that it's
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is, it is what it is close enough to me. John,
Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about yourself, obviously not too much,
Speaker 2: because we don't want people to know who you are,
Speaker 2: and you know you're you want to keep protect your identity,
Speaker 2: and of course keeping witnesses anonymity is far more important
Speaker 2: than the information they tend to share. I have your name,
Speaker 2: that's all that matters. I know you're a real person.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you right now because this is one
Speaker 2: of these rare podcasts where we're doing it in person.
Speaker 2: So anyway, John tell us, maybe a little bit about
Speaker 2: yourself to give a little bit of background.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I was raised in the Pacific Northwest, as
Speaker 1: we know, eastern Moltnoma County, in the foothills of Mount Hood.
Speaker 1: Like you said, currently, I'm thirty six, and my first
Speaker 1: encounter happened twenty years ago. The summer I was fifteen.
Speaker 1: My dad and I had had some trouble with locals,
Speaker 1: probably high school kids, I don't know, running their quads
Speaker 1: or their pickups up into the woods. I got to
Speaker 1: say that back in the eighties, there was some logging
Speaker 1: in the property next door, a very large parcel I'm
Speaker 1: assuming one hundred and forty acres or something like.
Speaker 2: That they had, and there were.
Speaker 1: The logging roads were still there, kind of overgrown, and
Speaker 1: it connected to our property, road system, trail system all
Speaker 1: that and went to a couple of different highways. So
Speaker 1: over the years, even though the brush had come down,
Speaker 1: there had still been high schoolers that were out there
Speaker 1: trying to open the roads back up and going wheeling,
Speaker 1: which wasn't a big deal except for the litter, and
Speaker 1: it connected to our property, and so they found those roads,
Speaker 1: you know. So we were trying to block off the
Speaker 1: access points, and we'd had some trouble with them on
Speaker 1: the trails, them leaving litter behind and making a mess,
Speaker 1: and we had kind of secured the entrances to those
Speaker 1: logging roads. And I remember I was at home alone.
Speaker 1: We had two dogs, two Rottwilders. They were tied up,
Speaker 1: both of them. And I had heard some sounds that
Speaker 1: the sound really carries well out there across a valley.
Speaker 1: It's I don't want to say too much because they'll
Speaker 1: give away the location, but there's a valley with two
Speaker 1: mountain peaks, small mountain peaks on either side, and I
Speaker 1: was going to say the sound travels really well across
Speaker 1: that valley. I was hearing some sounds out there, sounded
Speaker 1: like some trucks out there, and I said, okay, well
Speaker 1: here we go. We got another problem out there. So
Speaker 1: I walked out there and I walked the trails and
Speaker 1: it was a good mile or better, probably over a
Speaker 1: mile a mile and a half or something. Just as
Speaker 1: the crow flies across to the other end, I hiked
Speaker 1: the trail system, couldn't find anything. It was coming back
Speaker 1: and it was getting It was May of two thousand
Speaker 1: and I was coming back up with one of those
Speaker 1: peaks down across the valley and up to our homestead,
Speaker 1: and I had made my way up through the woods
Speaker 1: up to the top and it was an area that
Speaker 1: we uh, like I say, covered all the time. It
Speaker 1: was a place that we my sister and I hung
Speaker 1: out all the time, where we always those woods. It
Speaker 1: was definitely not a strange environment to us. I was
Speaker 1: used to being over all the time. A lot of big,
Speaker 1: heavy timber, a lot of ground cover salal Oregon grape
Speaker 1: wine maple. I came up to the top of the
Speaker 1: first peak, started down through the valley and there, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: not across the valley, down the hillside to the valley,
Speaker 1: which was heavy timber. Well, like I say, a lot
Speaker 1: of really heavy vine maple that was really twisted together,
Speaker 1: and a lot of a lot of ground cover that
Speaker 1: you cannot cover easily. A lot of old growth snags
Speaker 1: that are laying down you gotta climb over them, a
Speaker 1: lot of turned stumps. It's really it was back then,
Speaker 1: a really.
Speaker 2: A real challenge.
Speaker 1: And of course to get down through this and it
Speaker 1: would take you once you went down the slope to
Speaker 1: the valley where they headlogged I'm guessing probably distance wise,
Speaker 1: probably a thousand or twelve hundred feet, I would guess,
Speaker 1: all the way down into the valley, at least where
Speaker 1: I hiked to. I came down through the woods, climbed
Speaker 1: over all this old growth and through everything, and I
Speaker 1: got down into the clearing and it was about dusk.
Speaker 1: I don't know what time it in May. I guess
Speaker 1: it'd probably be about four or five o'clock.
Speaker 2: I'd guess maybe somewhere in there, yeah, maybe later, who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But there was still quite a bit of light
Speaker 1: in the sky, so I could see things clear. And
Speaker 1: I had just come down through the woods and I
Speaker 1: heard a sound up top where i'd just come from
Speaker 1: from the very top, right directly behind me, and I
Speaker 1: heard something stirring around up there in the brush, and
Speaker 1: I stopped for a minute. I could it was definitely audible.
Speaker 2: I could. I could.
Speaker 1: I could hear something definitely moving through all the slough
Speaker 1: and the Oregon grape up up top. It was very noisy,
Speaker 1: and I figured it was an elk up there. And
Speaker 1: then it started moving my direction and it started getting louder,
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, well, this is cool, and so
Speaker 1: I stopped and I listened to it, and it came
Speaker 1: down the hill towards me, but off to my left.
Speaker 1: I think it started going off to my left and
Speaker 1: it started picking up a lot of noise, and I thought,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a hurd of elk. And
Speaker 1: I thought, well, this is cool. I'm gonna stand here
Speaker 1: and watch them, and they're gonna come running down through
Speaker 1: the trees. And we were used to seeing herds of
Speaker 1: elk and deer run through the woods and a lot
Speaker 1: of noise, you know, and they just we were used
Speaker 1: to seeing ten to twelve and I heard, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just a cool thing to watch. And so
Speaker 1: I was getting ready for that, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the noise went through the roof, and I
Speaker 1: remember I was hearing an incredible amount of noise and
Speaker 1: it was coming from one source.
Speaker 2: I remember it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't over a vast area of brush. It was
Speaker 1: one object.
Speaker 2: And I like, you'd expect a herd of elk to
Speaker 2: have a like a sheet of noise righting at you,
Speaker 2: but this is one individual thing, one individual thing, sound
Speaker 2: of a herd of elk.
Speaker 1: And it was incredible, and it was noisier than I
Speaker 1: heard of elk. I'd never heard so much track in
Speaker 1: my life. And it started and it picked up speed,
Speaker 1: and this was where it really got me, because instantly,
Speaker 1: I remember my heart just sank and I thought, I
Speaker 1: don't know what this thing is because it charged. It
Speaker 1: just barreled down the mountain at me, and it it
Speaker 1: wasn't going off to my left anymore. It was coming
Speaker 1: directly at me, and so I knew it wasn't by
Speaker 1: chance it knew where it was going to you. It
Speaker 1: was coming straight to me. And that thing covered that distance.
Speaker 1: I mean it came barreling down the mountain. I mean
Speaker 1: just jumping over all that brush and blowing through it.
Speaker 1: And I knew that right away. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: I was dealing with, and I knew I didn't have
Speaker 1: any elk anymore. I didn't know what it had, but
Speaker 1: it came down through me, down through the brush, straight
Speaker 1: at me, and I remember halfway down it connected with
Speaker 1: a tree, and I don't know if it was a
Speaker 1: snag or a live tree or what, but I remember
Speaker 1: it made contact with that thing and it exploded into
Speaker 1: a million pieces. It was like dropping a whole armful
Speaker 1: of kindeling, and you could hear all the fibers hitting
Speaker 1: against each other as they just went in every direction.
Speaker 2: It was do you think it like a snapped a
Speaker 2: tree or rolled one over or I think that you
Speaker 2: interpret the sound as.
Speaker 1: It sounded like it came in contact with maybe a
Speaker 1: small tree and hit it blunt force and it just
Speaker 1: went everywhere.
Speaker 2: So just like this tree splintering and exploded, just exploding
Speaker 2: like that, and all the fibers bouncing off that that
Speaker 2: sound they have, and that was enough.
Speaker 1: I turned around and ran back. There was a snag there,
Speaker 1: an old buckskin that was laying on the ground, probably
Speaker 1: a five foot log, and I ran dough behind that
Speaker 1: thing to try to get out of sight. You're hiding, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm out here. This is not cool.
Speaker 1: And I remember, because the speed it was coming down
Speaker 1: the mountain, I realized I didn't know what I was
Speaker 1: dealing with. But I realized I'd made something mad and
Speaker 1: here it was coming half for me. And that was
Speaker 1: the worst feeling ever because it was exactly I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this thing is, but here it comes, and.
Speaker 2: You're pretty certain you knew about everything out there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you said, cougars and the bear and everything else.
Speaker 1: I'd never experienced anything like this, this kind of an aggression,
Speaker 1: and it covered that span I'm guessing just say more
Speaker 1: or less one thousand feet. I would guess the reason
Speaker 1: I say a thousand feet is our driveway on the
Speaker 1: property is exactly a thousand feet down blow the house
Speaker 1: down to the highway, so I would say it's at
Speaker 1: least a thousand, probably more like eleven hundred feet from
Speaker 1: the top down to where I was standing. And it
Speaker 1: covered that ground in about seven seconds.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so it was really moving.
Speaker 1: And that's why I realized I had nothing that I'd
Speaker 1: ever encountered before.
Speaker 2: And you still haven't seen this thing either. I hadn't
Speaker 2: seen it.
Speaker 1: It was coming directly at me, and I said, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: this thing is going to pop out here in the
Speaker 1: clearing here in just a matter of seconds.
Speaker 2: And peeping over that log that you were hiding, I was.
Speaker 1: I was looking over the top, and I had a
Speaker 1: walkie talkie with me, just one though, just one pretty useless.
Speaker 2: Well, I had to be fair you.
Speaker 1: Well, I know it wasn't doing any good. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I took one, but.
Speaker 2: I understand I don't like listening to what I'm other
Speaker 2: people listening to what I say either.
Speaker 1: So I you know, well, I had left went back
Speaker 1: at the house, okay, on they're both on.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, my folks should be home at
Speaker 1: some point, my dad should be around, and I waited
Speaker 1: until this thing came down out of the clear out
Speaker 1: of the brush. There there was some really heavy brush
Speaker 1: at the edge of the woods, and there was a
Speaker 1: great big stack of limbs, of rocker limbs and brush
Speaker 1: from when they had logged the summer before. And the
Speaker 1: stack of limbs was probably it was a rolls big
Speaker 1: tall haystacks, I'm guessing probably fifteen twenty feet tall and
Speaker 1: quite wide, probably that wide, a typical haystack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like a slash pile. Slash pile where
Speaker 2: the loader sat and they loaded the trucks.
Speaker 1: And it came I remember, this thing came blown down
Speaker 1: out of the woods and it entered the clearing on
Speaker 1: the other side, directly behind that slash pile, so you
Speaker 1: still couldn't see it. I couldn't see it, and I
Speaker 1: thought it's going to come running around one side or
Speaker 1: the other. And as soon as it made its way
Speaker 1: into the clearing, all the noise stopped. It went completely
Speaker 1: dead silent. There was not one sound, and it never
Speaker 1: made one more step. And there was no bird in
Speaker 1: the air, there was no squirrels, there was no typical
Speaker 1: noise in the woods.
Speaker 2: That you would hear.
Speaker 1: Then dark was encroaching, and dark wasn't approaching, and it
Speaker 1: was and I thought, okay, this is just spooky. I thought,
Speaker 1: this thing is gonna make a step, It's gonna come
Speaker 1: one way or the other. But I stayed put and
Speaker 1: it stayed put, and I couldn't see it stayed out
Speaker 1: of sight.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: And so I'm watching the sky. All my senses are
Speaker 1: on their peak, and I'm looking around and I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for something happened. Nothing happened. So I got on my
Speaker 1: radio and I was whispering on there. I was trying
Speaker 1: to get a hold of my dad. I hoped he
Speaker 1: was home by then. And nothing. Nothing, And I tried
Speaker 1: several times, and I said, okay, I'm out here on
Speaker 1: my own with this thing. And I waited a few
Speaker 1: more minutes and there was no sound, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: well I am getting out of here, and how.
Speaker 2: Long do you think of elapse? Like? What was that standoff?
Speaker 2: Like that time period there? See your best guests, because
Speaker 2: I'm sure it seemed like an eternity.
Speaker 1: It seemed like forever, but it was more than probably
Speaker 1: up bet, I was probably there a good ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Ten minutes, I'll bet I waited that long.
Speaker 2: I'll be an eternity.
Speaker 1: It was an attorney. Oh, it seemed like forever, and
Speaker 1: I thought, nope, I'm waiting for that thing to make
Speaker 1: the first move. I thought, maybe it's going to go
Speaker 1: away from me. I thought, there's no it's come this far.
Speaker 1: It probably isn't going to turn around and walk back.
Speaker 1: But I thought, I want to see what I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: I want to know what I'm dealing with here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I waited for it to come on inside that pile
Speaker 1: or the other and nothing, and I was watching the
Speaker 1: sky and it was starting to get the light was
Speaker 1: starting to go a little bit, and I said, okay,
Speaker 1: well I can't stay here much longer. I waited, and
Speaker 1: at that time of night, you start losing your light
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. But I knew I still had some time,
Speaker 1: but I had quite a bit of ground to cover.
Speaker 1: I still had half a mile, I would guess, And
Speaker 1: I knew I had to quite a bit of brush
Speaker 1: to go through and everything, and so I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be out there in the black with this thing.
Speaker 1: So I turned and I got up, and I looked
Speaker 1: directly below me was a skitter trail, skiter road that
Speaker 1: took off down into the very bottom of the valley.
Speaker 1: It was still probably good four or five hundred feet
Speaker 1: away from me, the bottom of the very bottom there,
Speaker 1: and there was an old well down there from settlers
Speaker 1: way back in the day. And it was very clear.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they had just logged the summer before,
Speaker 1: so the road was very clear. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of old, bleached out rocker limbs on it, and I
Speaker 1: made some quick glances as to where I was going.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to step on anything that was going
Speaker 1: to snap or pop or give my location away anymore
Speaker 1: than I had to. I kept my eyes on that pile,
Speaker 1: and I got it very slowly and quietly, and worked
Speaker 1: my way over to the skitterer trail, and I walked
Speaker 1: down it, and stepping only on the bare dirt and
Speaker 1: made sure I didn't step on anything that was gonna
Speaker 1: pop or snap make any noise. And I continue to
Speaker 1: walk down that trail and keeping my eyes behind me.
Speaker 1: I never saw anything come out in the open. And
Speaker 1: I got down that trail, I would have to say,
Speaker 1: probably three four hundred feet down that road, and I
Speaker 1: was feeling pretty good by myself. I said, okay, I've
Speaker 1: left this thing behind. It's staying there.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: The more distance I can put between myself and that thing,
Speaker 1: the better. And I was starting to feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about myself. I said, okay, good, I'm making some distance
Speaker 1: and getting along here. And on both sides of the
Speaker 1: skid road there was a lot of heavy brush, a
Speaker 1: lot of fine maple, a lot of dried out leaves
Speaker 1: and limbs and everything you know, typical you know, small hemlocks,
Speaker 1: and lots of noisy stuff. And you can never pass
Speaker 1: through without making any without making a life noise, you know.
Speaker 1: I get down to the bottom of this skinter road
Speaker 1: and there's a t's into another one going left and right,
Speaker 1: and there was a great big old growth seed they
Speaker 1: had cut down, and the stump it was probably I
Speaker 1: want to say, five feet across four to five feet
Speaker 1: across at the butt, and but it was tall. It
Speaker 1: was probably I'm I'm six four and back during that summer.
Speaker 1: I want to make a note of this. Back during
Speaker 1: that summer, I was probably five six five seven.
Speaker 2: Hey, you're a young man at the time. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 2: about what fifteen you said.
Speaker 1: Yep, fifteen, almost sixteen. So I want to keep a
Speaker 1: note of that. And the stump was about my height,
Speaker 1: five and a half foot tall. I would guess the
Speaker 1: top of that stump was. I get around behind that stump.
Speaker 1: I'm just turning left and gonna work my way over
Speaker 1: across to our property line and work our way my
Speaker 1: way back up the trail system through the woods. And
Speaker 1: I turned left, got right behind that stump, and something
Speaker 1: came barreling out of the brush up behind me, up
Speaker 1: that skinner road off in the bushes. Something had been
Speaker 1: over there, and it came jumping out of the bushes
Speaker 1: and landed on that road, that hard packed road.
Speaker 2: Did you see this or did you hear it? I
Speaker 2: heard this? You heard this? Oh?
Speaker 1: This thing it was like you were jumping off the
Speaker 1: side of a rock cliff into water or something. This
Speaker 1: thing had all its weight and force and it hit
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 2: And it had been stalking you, following you silently alongside
Speaker 2: without you even knowing, for that what four hundred feet
Speaker 2: or something like that. Exactly. This was what got really weird.
Speaker 2: And so you went behind this stump, thus putting you
Speaker 2: out of sight, and that's when it made a much larger,
Speaker 2: more obvious move.
Speaker 1: Yep, Okay. It landed on the road, and I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how far up the road. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: it being more than about fifty feet away by the sound,
Speaker 1: by the sound, and by this it took three to
Speaker 1: four strides on two.
Speaker 2: Feet toward me and grackling. Oh.
Speaker 1: It sounded like Jurassic Park when the guy has the
Speaker 1: cup of water and they hear the boom boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that and you're the goat tied up in.
Speaker 1: The exactly right. And that's exactly. It was very heavy.
Speaker 1: You could hear the weight of this thing hit the
Speaker 1: ground when it did. It wasn't a multitude of feet
Speaker 1: like a bear would walk. It was one step after another,
Speaker 1: and it took about four strides. And I got down
Speaker 1: behind that stump on the ground, and I was hearing
Speaker 1: this thing coming. It sounded like I was out there
Speaker 1: with Android the Giant. I remember just thinking I'm dead.
Speaker 1: This thing is so close to me. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't have a chance, and I reached down. I got
Speaker 1: a rocker limb, probably a three foot rocker limb. It
Speaker 1: was probably a three four inch diamond or something, and
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I got one swing at this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit it as hard as I can, right
Speaker 1: in the face whatever it is. And I said, it's
Speaker 1: either coming around the stump or it's coming over the top.
Speaker 1: And it was. Again, it was coming directly in line
Speaker 1: with me. It wasn't trying to go make a wide
Speaker 1: sweep around this stump. It was coming right at me.
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, this thing is going to come
Speaker 1: over the top of the stump. I said, I'm hit
Speaker 1: a full force and I got one swing at it,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be the end of me. My
Speaker 1: adrenaline was going through the roof. I said, oh man.
Speaker 2: Yes, spoiler, he didn't die. He's sitting right here, I promise. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I said okay, and I waited, and like I say,
Speaker 1: it took about three steps. Pretty good strides, I would say,
Speaker 1: I would have to say it covered some ground. In
Speaker 1: those steps and that put him right on the other
Speaker 1: side of the stump. That put him directly on that
Speaker 1: side of that stump, and I could hear it. I said,
Speaker 1: oh man, he's right here. Whatever this is, it's right here.
Speaker 1: And I waited, and one more time that thing stood
Speaker 1: there and didn't make any more noise, and I just thought,
Speaker 1: this is this is agony. This is going to go
Speaker 1: on forever. And I waited and I waited, and I
Speaker 1: just expected. I knew my life was over. I said,
Speaker 1: it is over. Whatever this thing is, it's huge and
Speaker 1: it's going to take me out. And I said, I
Speaker 1: got one crack at this. And I was waiting. I
Speaker 1: was crouched down, and well, that's a weird feeling when
Speaker 1: you know when you think you're done, when you think
Speaker 1: you're done, you're signing out. I just said, I got
Speaker 1: five seconds. I hope it doesn't take forever. That's not
Speaker 1: killing me. And then nothing, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2: And it just stayed there. I stayed put.
Speaker 1: It did too, and I was walking the sky and
Speaker 1: it was starting to get more the dusk was coming,
Speaker 1: and I said, I got to get out of here.
Speaker 1: I do not want to be down here on the
Speaker 1: black and I said, okay, I'm not going to look.
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand up. I'm not going to make
Speaker 1: eye contact with this thing. It's right there and it
Speaker 1: knows where I'm at. There's no trying to hide from
Speaker 1: this thing anymore. I said, I'm gonna turn around and
Speaker 1: put my back to it, and I'm going to walk
Speaker 1: directly away from it. And I did that. Instead of
Speaker 1: going left up that skinter road up into our property,
Speaker 1: I decided to cut straight across the rest of the valley,
Speaker 1: pass that well and on up into the woods up
Speaker 1: to our rightway.
Speaker 2: That was a more direct route to your house. Is
Speaker 2: that why?
Speaker 1: It was a direct route to our gravel road?
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you would have gone left, you would
Speaker 2: have been on your property sooner, But that wouldn't have
Speaker 2: brought you home sooner, right, Okay, I want to understand that. Okay, yep, it.
Speaker 1: Would have put us me on the property, but I
Speaker 1: would have had to have hiked up the trail system.
Speaker 1: We got some tractor roads up in there, and they
Speaker 1: zigzag all over through the woods, and it would have
Speaker 1: put me in a lot darker area with bigger timber,
Speaker 1: and I did not want I wanted as much light
Speaker 1: as I could have with that thing. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be able to see as much as possible. So yes,
Speaker 1: that was a direct as most direct route as I
Speaker 1: could to a main road and then from there go
Speaker 1: to the house. And I remember I just thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I I got a walk. I cannot run from this thing.
Speaker 1: I think, I'm thinking this is a bear, I guess,
Speaker 1: because that's the only thing that's big enough.
Speaker 2: Though, yeah, you were what were you thinking at that point?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you thought you were gonna die.
Speaker 2: You didn't know what you were dealing with. But so
Speaker 2: a bear was your best guess.
Speaker 1: Bear was my best guess. I thought, Okay, it's big,
Speaker 1: it's really heavy. It's stocking me. It's way too heavy
Speaker 1: for any cougar elk would never do this, Dear, anything
Speaker 1: I had encountered in the woods would never do this.
Speaker 1: I thought, bear is my only option.
Speaker 2: What about a person? Any thoughts of it being a
Speaker 2: person at the time.
Speaker 1: It well, I knew a person could never cover the
Speaker 1: ground it did. I couldn't certainly never run that fast.
Speaker 1: And I knew the woods. I was very agile in
Speaker 1: the woods. My sister both and I both and I
Speaker 1: knew nothing could cover that ground. Coming down that hill
Speaker 1: through the woods with all that brush fighting, the the
Speaker 1: vine maple and the log stuff. You guys had to
Speaker 1: climb up over logs that were five six feet tall.
Speaker 2: You had to climb over. I knew no one.
Speaker 1: There was no athlete that could make that, and so
Speaker 1: I know bears can run really fast downhill. I thought,
Speaker 1: that's my best bet. So that's what I was sticking with.
Speaker 1: I got, this is a really big bear. It didn't
Speaker 1: act like a bear sneaking around the woods being totally quiet,
Speaker 1: because bears are noisy in the woods. They clump around
Speaker 1: and there's all kinds of noise in the brush. They
Speaker 1: don't care about their how much racket they're making. So
Speaker 1: that was very weird. I didn't know what I was
Speaker 1: dealing with, but I my only guess was I had
Speaker 1: a really big bear that was pissed to me.
Speaker 2: And at this point, how far did you have to
Speaker 2: make it across the valley to get to the house.
Speaker 1: I was probably a good I.
Speaker 2: Know you closed some distance from the original, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I was at this point. Yeah, it's hard to
Speaker 1: say I was a good. A couple of thousand feet
Speaker 1: from the house, I'd guess.
Speaker 2: A quarter mile or something like that. Maybe, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: probably still plenty far as it's getting dark. Thing is
Speaker 2: stalking you.
Speaker 1: And I just thought, yeah, this is not good. I said,
Speaker 1: this is not a good situation.
Speaker 2: This is swim across this pool. There's only nine sharks in.
Speaker 1: It, exactly right.
Speaker 2: How bad it goes the other side of the pool is.
Speaker 2: You can make that just sharks.
Speaker 1: I know, right, how good a swimmer are you. That's
Speaker 1: a good time to walk on water. And so I
Speaker 1: turned put my back to it and I just walked
Speaker 1: directly in the line down across the valley and I
Speaker 1: had some good distance to go, and I knew I
Speaker 1: had to do that. I thought, I'm gonna do my
Speaker 1: best to not show any fear. And I'm not making
Speaker 1: eye contact with it. I'm not looking at it. I said,
Speaker 1: if I look at it, it'll freak me out in
Speaker 1: the first place, and in the second place, it'll know
Speaker 1: I'm scared, and it'll just that'll be the end of me.
Speaker 1: So that's what my dad had always taught me. You
Speaker 1: just don't You can't run from uh. If you are
Speaker 1: dealing with a bear, you can't run from it. You
Speaker 1: gotta stick home. You gotta walk and try to be
Speaker 1: as calm as possible. And so I said, okay, that's
Speaker 1: my best bet. So I turned and walked down across
Speaker 1: that valley through the brush and everything, and there was
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of rocker limbs, dead fur limbs that
Speaker 1: were bleached out. They lose their bark, and they're in
Speaker 1: the sun. It had been a year ago when they logged,
Speaker 1: and so the limbs had sat out there all this
Speaker 1: time and lost all their bark, and they were white
Speaker 1: like whalebones down across the valley here. So I got
Speaker 1: down across there and up into the woods. I hiked
Speaker 1: up through the woods up to the road, and I'd
Speaker 1: put quite a bit distance between me and an.
Speaker 2: And you didn't get in to hear it moving behind
Speaker 2: me or anything at that point.
Speaker 1: And I tried it still, just try to watch where
Speaker 1: I was a step, and I just I know it.
Speaker 1: It could hear me, fine, but I felt better if
Speaker 1: I didn't make a whole lot of noise. And I
Speaker 1: put some distance between me. I put it's hard to
Speaker 1: say a good distance five hundred feet to a thousand
Speaker 1: feet probably behind me, I would guess. And I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: this is good. I'm still alive. So I got down
Speaker 1: across the valley, up through the woods, quite a distance
Speaker 1: up to our driveway. I thought, okay, I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: back now. I said, I've made it this far. I
Speaker 1: don't hear anything behind me. I said, this is good.
Speaker 1: I've made it this far. I thought, maybe it has
Speaker 1: left me alone. And I turned and looked, and I
Speaker 1: looked back across that large section of a couple hundred feet,
Speaker 1: probably where all those white limbs were, and I can
Speaker 1: see this big black thing coming at me.
Speaker 2: And it was just.
Speaker 1: I didn't spend a lot of time looking at it.
Speaker 1: It was on all fours, it wasn't on two feet.
Speaker 1: But it was a big square object coming at me, a.
Speaker 2: Big square shadow sort of thing growing through the clear
Speaker 2: cut with slim so it contrasted really nicely about the
Speaker 2: white background.
Speaker 1: It was solid black and big and big and very square,
Speaker 1: and it didn't square very square like blocky, very broad shoulders,
Speaker 1: very different. And I thought, oh crap, this thing's still
Speaker 1: coming at me, but it was long ways away from me.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages, I had a lot.
Speaker 1: Of distance between me and it, and I said, I
Speaker 1: think if it stays and it was moving pretty slow and.
Speaker 2: Kind of creeping, or is it just kind of cruising
Speaker 2: at a slow pace or what would you describe its movement.
Speaker 1: As It's hard to say because I had a lot
Speaker 1: of distance between me and it, but it was I
Speaker 1: don't know how to say it. It was moving, it
Speaker 1: was taking strides, but it wasn't going very fast.
Speaker 2: It wasn't in a hurry. Did it move like a
Speaker 2: bear because it wasn't all fours and you must have
Speaker 2: thought that at the time, right.
Speaker 1: I did, And it was far enough away, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: well it's a bear. It's a really big bear. And
Speaker 1: I was under the impression at that time of my life,
Speaker 1: I hadn't dealt with a lot of bears, and I
Speaker 1: was under the depression that bears could get that big.
Speaker 1: Until later years I started researching our local black bears,
Speaker 1: and they don't get that big. This was a discovery
Speaker 1: I made. I'm thankful I didn't know this back then,
Speaker 1: but I just figured it was a really big bear.
Speaker 1: So it was coming at me on all fours and
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, it's still coming at me. I gotta
Speaker 1: go and I can't watch this any longer. And I
Speaker 1: turned and I was in a hurry then, but I
Speaker 1: was still walking, and I said, I my adrenaline was going,
Speaker 1: and I remember just thinking, I was just telling myself
Speaker 1: really sternly in my head, I said, I can run
Speaker 1: from this thing. I absolutely cannot run. It's still coming
Speaker 1: at me.
Speaker 2: And you're within that You said you're at the top
Speaker 2: of the driveways. You're within a thousand feet of your house. Now, yep,
Speaker 2: I was almost in.
Speaker 1: It was the lower part of the driveway, so I
Speaker 1: still had a good eight hundred feet to go. I
Speaker 1: would assume on the driveway up to the top or
Speaker 1: a crest, and then we have a pasture there and
Speaker 1: goes up to the house and to the crest of
Speaker 1: the hill there, I had probably eight hundred feet.
Speaker 2: I would dissue, you're still quite a distance away, but
Speaker 2: to safety.
Speaker 1: But it gets deeper, the road gets steep, the ground
Speaker 1: gets real steep. So I had I knew I had
Speaker 1: a challenge. I couldn't easily. I couldn't run, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't run, and I couldn't show a lot of fear
Speaker 1: and emotion and everything. I knew I had to stay calm,
Speaker 1: But I thought I got a lot of distance between
Speaker 1: me and this thing. I was eight hundred feet to
Speaker 1: the top, and I was probably eight hundred feet behind me.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, I get I'm probably pretty good
Speaker 1: on this even though I'm going uphill, and it will
Speaker 1: be able to cover ground faster. I thought, well, I'm
Speaker 1: probably a little bit safer, but I'm gonna keep booking.
Speaker 1: And I was at a very brisk walk. I was
Speaker 1: not calmly walking. I was like at a power walk.
Speaker 1: But I did not want to break stride into a run.
Speaker 1: And I remember I was in a full sweat and
Speaker 1: I was freaked out, and I was wanting to be
Speaker 1: out of there as quickly as possible. And I so
Speaker 1: I turned and I went up the driveway and I
Speaker 1: got about three hundred feet up the road and I
Speaker 1: covered it very quickly. I turned around, and it had
Speaker 1: covered that ground amazingly quick through the woods. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it changed direction. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it had instead of following me up to the road
Speaker 1: and then had traveled up the road behind me. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it had cut across the gap or
Speaker 1: what it did. I turned around and it was on
Speaker 1: the driveway with me, and it was, I want to say,
Speaker 1: probably thirty to forty feet behind me.
Speaker 2: That is nothing.
Speaker 1: It was nothing and it and it freaked me out
Speaker 1: that it had covered diamonds ground so quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were power walking and it covered you said,
Speaker 2: about the same distance behind you as you had to go.
Speaker 2: It covered twice the distance that you did in that
Speaker 2: same amount of time. And now now it's thirty forty feet.
Speaker 2: I know the light is failing, but you must be
Speaker 2: able to see it better now.
Speaker 1: It was standing in an area and where I was,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was an area where the trees
Speaker 1: overhead weren't very thick and let a lot of light in.
Speaker 1: And I remember looking back at this and it didn't look.
Speaker 2: Like a bear. Was it still on all fours? It
Speaker 2: was on all fours.
Speaker 1: It looked like a gorilla as far as I could tell.
Speaker 1: It had very broad shoulders when it walked. It didn't
Speaker 1: swing back and forth, have the the looseness of a
Speaker 1: bear height. It was very sold. It looked the way
Speaker 1: it walked or the way it was on all fours,
Speaker 1: it looked like a quarterback, a football player. And it
Speaker 1: had really big shoulders and they were very square, and
Speaker 1: its shoulders moved. It had very powerful shoulders and they moved.
Speaker 1: It looked like a gorilla you would see on a
Speaker 1: national geographic or something. It was very square and the
Speaker 1: head was very blunt. I did not see a snout.
Speaker 1: I did not see a tan snout for a bear.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was black, and it was very wide.
Speaker 1: It was shoulder to shoulder. I would have to say
Speaker 1: the thing was four feet I would guess it was
Speaker 1: probably if it had come out beside me, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been much shorter than me on all fours.
Speaker 2: And at the time you were five and a half feet,
Speaker 2: that was not five and a half, so that you're
Speaker 2: would five feet be a good guess.
Speaker 1: I'd guess four and a half five foot tall.
Speaker 2: This the height on all fours. Mind you, standing up
Speaker 2: on two legs, it would have just towered above you. Okay.
Speaker 1: Interesting, it had been big, and that would have been
Speaker 1: right at the top of its back, on the back
Speaker 1: of its neck on all fours.
Speaker 2: When it was on all fours, did like you know
Speaker 2: how like bears, for example, kind of are like bigger
Speaker 2: in the butt so to speak, Like you know, they're
Speaker 2: kind of pear shaped towards it. Like, how would you
Speaker 2: describe the body shape being on all fours. I'm curious
Speaker 2: about the posture of it was on all fours, it was.
Speaker 1: Like I say, like a gorilla, huge, massive shoulders, smaller butt.
Speaker 2: Now gorilla, when it's walking on all fours, the shoulder
Speaker 2: is much higher than the rear end, but the bears
Speaker 2: would almost be opposite of that. Right, Where was it
Speaker 2: in that sort of gradient?
Speaker 1: The tail was lower than the shoulders not, I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't stop really researching.
Speaker 2: Your memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best my memory is the head was in line.
Speaker 1: The vertebrae in the head were all in line. I
Speaker 1: would say that the rear on this thing was at
Speaker 1: the same height of the shoulders or lower.
Speaker 2: Okay, So kind of flatish across, maybe maybe almost horizontal
Speaker 2: or a little less.
Speaker 1: And it was at an angle. It was going uphill
Speaker 1: the same as I was. It was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a pretty flatter area, right there, had a little
Speaker 1: bit of an incline, but I would say it was
Speaker 1: fairly flat. But yeah, the tail end of this thing
Speaker 1: was down lower than the shoulders.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's another question that you may or may not know.
Speaker 2: And again I don't know. It is a great answer
Speaker 2: because it's obviously the truth. You know. But and you
Speaker 2: can't possibly not only remember everything, but notice everything in
Speaker 2: such a harrowing circumstance. Right when you saw this thing
Speaker 2: where the front pause, shall we stack the hands? Was
Speaker 2: it walking on an open hand or was it can
Speaker 2: we be walking on the knuckles? Notice that even.
Speaker 1: From what I would say, is it looked like it
Speaker 1: had its knuckles, its hands curled into a fist and
Speaker 1: was walking on its fists. Okay, that's very interesting what
Speaker 1: I would say. And it and the face looked very
Speaker 1: flat to me.
Speaker 2: It just was.
Speaker 1: And it was solid black. This thing couldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: any blacker. There was no light skin on this. On
Speaker 1: the face of this.
Speaker 2: You're just basically looking at a shadow when the feeling
Speaker 2: was solid black. That's creepy. It was.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see an the eyes. I couldn't see anything. Now,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get.
Speaker 2: Close enough for me to see its eyes. But when
Speaker 2: you were close.
Speaker 1: Y and I I mean that, that put me over
Speaker 1: the edge. I said, oh man, this thing is so
Speaker 1: close to me and it was covering even on all fours.
Speaker 1: I watched it. I just glanced back at it and
Speaker 1: I and I looked at it, and I watched taco stride.
Speaker 1: I gave it about one stride and it had I
Speaker 1: can't imagine it. It covered any less than about four
Speaker 1: feet to a stride of its arms, and that's all
Speaker 1: I gave it. And I said, I turned, and boy,
Speaker 1: that was the hardest part I did. I wanted to
Speaker 1: run so bad. I remember that, and it was freaked
Speaker 1: I was freaked out. I was freaked out, like there's
Speaker 1: no shame in that. And it was almost dark, and
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I got so much and I got
Speaker 1: to go through it. The rest of the woods now
Speaker 1: gets darker from here to the house, and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: This is not good.
Speaker 1: I don't like this at all. I got about I
Speaker 1: turned and I started in the hill right then get steeper,
Speaker 1: the steepest part of that area. And so I turned
Speaker 1: around and I never looked back again. But I got
Speaker 1: about ten feet up the road and our Roddy's just
Speaker 1: started going ballistic, and like I'd never heard them before.
Speaker 2: They just started.
Speaker 1: Coming on glued and mark and then snarling and just
Speaker 1: carrying on. We had both pretty good sized dogs, one
Speaker 1: hundred and hundred and twenty five pound dogs, and they
Speaker 1: just went ballistic. And I said, oh, this is good.
Speaker 1: This is probably gonna help me maybe, And I didn't know,
Speaker 1: and I just kept run on walking. I think at
Speaker 1: that point there's an old road that takes off into
Speaker 1: the woods when they logged our place back in the fifties,
Speaker 1: and it veers off into the woods. And I think
Speaker 1: at that point that that thing turned when it heard
Speaker 1: the dogs. I think it turned and went right down
Speaker 1: that trail off into the woods again. I think it
Speaker 1: might have left me at that point. And I turned.
Speaker 1: I kept right on walking. I never looked back, and
Speaker 1: I had so much of my own chatter going on
Speaker 1: in my head. I was pretty much yelling at myself
Speaker 1: in my head to not run. And I walked up
Speaker 1: to the house, and everybody asked me, why didn't I
Speaker 1: just go and get right between those dogs, And I
Speaker 1: don't know. I had a one track mind. And I
Speaker 1: walked up to the top, I passed the house and
Speaker 1: went all the way out to the barn.
Speaker 2: I had to go through some more woods.
Speaker 1: I got inside that bar and slammed the door, and
Speaker 1: I didn't come out for an hour. I turned all
Speaker 1: the lights on i could, and eventually my folks came
Speaker 1: home and I said, well, cry, I mean, I got
Speaker 1: to go through the woods back to the house, and
Speaker 1: it took me a long time to get enough courage
Speaker 1: to go back out in those woods. I mean, and
Speaker 1: it didn't stop me from going into the woods after this.
Speaker 1: It freaked me out. I remember, for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages. Did you tell
Speaker 2: your parents when they came home. I didn't. Did they
Speaker 2: notice you might have been a little ill reached out?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I had calmed down a good bit.
Speaker 1: I don't remember telling my dad about it until about
Speaker 1: a month.
Speaker 2: Later, and.
Speaker 1: I just assumed it was a bear. And like I say,
Speaker 1: it didn't keep me out of the woods that I
Speaker 1: was very comfortable. We were always very comfortable in the woods.
Speaker 1: I remember for about two weeks I was very freaked
Speaker 1: out about meeting that thing in the woods again, and
Speaker 1: I didn't go very far. But after that I slowly
Speaker 1: got used to it again, and I was out there
Speaker 1: again it's always been something that's an encounter of mine
Speaker 1: that's been in my mind. And I had never encountered
Speaker 1: anything like that. Again, Like I was gonna say, a
Speaker 1: few years ago, probably three years ago, I was researching bears.
Speaker 1: I had seen a stuffed one, and by stuffed, I
Speaker 1: mean something that somebody bear, somebody shot and they'd had
Speaker 1: it right picking it to a text durmist. And it
Speaker 1: was a full grown male black bear and it was tiny,
Speaker 1: and I thought this must be a baby.
Speaker 2: I mean it was tiny.
Speaker 1: I think it was up on its hind legs and
Speaker 1: it wasn't more than about five feet at max. Five
Speaker 1: and a half feet or something. And I thought this
Speaker 1: thing and bitty, a little bear compared to that thing
Speaker 1: that chased me out of the woods. And so I
Speaker 1: started researching bears and they I realized that they didn't
Speaker 1: get as big as that thing I had seen, nor
Speaker 1: did they look like the shape wasn't the same, nothing
Speaker 1: was the same. And so I had started researching bigfoot
Speaker 1: and out of my own curiosity, just kind of wondering
Speaker 1: what their habits were and their aggressiveness and behaviors and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And I would just say that
Speaker 1: I've gone back to that same area in the woods
Speaker 1: many times afterwards, and it hasn't stopped me from going
Speaker 1: out there, and I've certainly looked forward to seeing one again,
Speaker 1: hopefully not under those aggressive conditions. Whatever it was that
Speaker 1: set it off, I don't know, if it didn't recognize
Speaker 1: my sin, thought I was a trespassed in that area,
Speaker 1: and was there to chase me out, and then once
Speaker 1: it got close enough.
Speaker 2: Maybe it could send me since me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what caused that, and I've wanted to.
Speaker 1: I've constantly, still today been trying to find out what
Speaker 1: that was about, why that aggression. But about a year ago,
Speaker 1: I was exactly a year ago, in January last year,
Speaker 1: I was out in that same area going for a
Speaker 1: hike and just enjoying the snow. There was some snow
Speaker 1: on the ground, remember, about six eight inches. I was
Speaker 1: up on that same part of the mountain coming down,
Speaker 1: just a little bit different a couple I would say,
Speaker 1: maybe three hundred feet away, on a different slope of
Speaker 1: that mountain, coming down and just meandering through the woods,
Speaker 1: and I was coming down through some heavy Now there
Speaker 1: were seedlings back in the day when I was out
Speaker 1: there at my first encounterment town years ago or yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Now it's their fur and a lot
Speaker 1: of hemlock seedlings that are now twenty feet tall, and
Speaker 1: a lot of heavy brush, you know, and I'm moving
Speaker 1: limbs out of my way and stuff. And I come out.
Speaker 1: I had just broken down to the big timber down
Speaker 1: into this the twenty year old growth, and it was
Speaker 1: dusk and about the same time of night that I
Speaker 1: had my first encounters, and I moved back some limbs.
Speaker 1: I come down into a small area and there was
Speaker 1: a it looked like the ball root of an overturned stump,
Speaker 1: and the ground was pretty smooth. It was a hump
Speaker 1: and the hump wasn't more than about I'm gonna guess
Speaker 1: three to four feet tall, I would say, and kind
Speaker 1: of a big oval hump from an old stump that
Speaker 1: was rotten, dirt on top of it and everything. And I
Speaker 1: know it's directly behind it, and it wasn't very far
Speaker 1: from me. This was probably twenty feet from me at best.
Speaker 1: And I noticed that behind it was a very black
Speaker 1: shadow and it was hidden in the trees. There were
Speaker 1: some trees over the top of it and around it.
Speaker 1: Was pretty thick around me, but I can see that distance,
Speaker 1: and I just noticed that something that was I mean,
Speaker 1: the shadows are dark, but something was standing directly behind
Speaker 1: that ritball, and it looked very much if you were
Speaker 1: to take the statue you have in the back room,
Speaker 1: blot out all the brown fur and the eyes and
Speaker 1: all that, and just make a silhouette of that, it's
Speaker 1: what it looked like.
Speaker 2: It was had a very large head.
Speaker 1: It looked like it was mounted into the shoulders, and
Speaker 1: the shoulders tapered down and outward in about three to
Speaker 1: four feet. And being it was downhill for me, just
Speaker 1: a little bit, not very much of a decline there,
Speaker 1: and I am six four almost sixty five now, and
Speaker 1: I was pretty much eye to eye with it, so
Speaker 1: it had to have been a little taller than me,
Speaker 1: being downhill from me, and I thought. I just stopped
Speaker 1: and looked at it, and I thought, what am I
Speaker 1: looking at? And I couldn't see any face again. Oh, Now,
Speaker 1: it was dusk, I will say, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of in the low light levels under the twenty footers
Speaker 1: in the trees, so there was some shadows in there,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of sunlight. Now the snow
Speaker 1: was on the ground. The wind was blowing, and a
Speaker 1: lot of snow was falling out of the trees and stuff,
Speaker 1: so there was noise. It wasn't quiet like that summer
Speaker 1: had been my first encounter. But I took it as
Speaker 1: a shadow. I said, okay, well, I'm gonna walk over
Speaker 1: this thing and see what it is. And I hadn't
Speaker 1: hadn't hardly moved toward it, and suddenly that object behind
Speaker 1: that stump turned. Yeah, suddenly it went from a shadow
Speaker 1: to it was alive, and it turned to its I
Speaker 1: assuming it was facing me. It turned to its left.
Speaker 2: Immediately, and.
Speaker 1: It had a profile of the head tapered back into
Speaker 1: the shoulders. It had pretty good shoulders. They rounded backwards
Speaker 1: and then down the back you could see the pectorials
Speaker 1: of a chest. It was a male, I have a feeling,
Speaker 1: tapered off slant and then down and it was I
Speaker 1: would have to say it had been about the same size.
Speaker 2: As your statue back there, which is seven and a
Speaker 2: half feet tall in about three feet wide, probably I'm
Speaker 2: guessing maybe.
Speaker 1: A little more yep, right, yeah, And it was probably wet.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see any fuzzy hair standing up it looked
Speaker 1: like it had been out there in the water gotten
Speaker 1: pretty good soaked, so nothing was standing up. It turned
Speaker 1: with amazing agility and ran. I couldn't see its legs.
Speaker 1: It just was behind that dirt mount and it just
Speaker 1: disappeared to my eight because I was facing it, and
Speaker 1: there was a tree there just out of sight, a
Speaker 1: tree trunk.
Speaker 2: It ran.
Speaker 1: I assume it ran around that tree. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but I guess it couldn't get away from me without
Speaker 1: having to go to its left around the trunk of
Speaker 1: that tree, and then ran straight away from me. And
Speaker 1: I got to see it run through the woods for
Speaker 1: probably fifty feet, and as it ran directly away from
Speaker 1: me and off to my left slightly. And its arms,
Speaker 1: it had long arms, and they were swinging back and
Speaker 1: forth as it ran.
Speaker 2: Were they extended or we like pumping like a like
Speaker 2: a jogger mite, you know, like bending at the elbow,
Speaker 2: or long and extended, long and extended, and its hands
Speaker 2: were opened, hands were open open, and it was flinging
Speaker 2: those hands back and forth as it ran very quickly,
Speaker 2: and the arms were coming completely out horizontal in front
Speaker 2: of it, behind it, and in front of it, and
Speaker 2: they were going back and forth, and the palms were open,
Speaker 2: and it turned and it ran, and it just disappeared.
Speaker 2: I just watched it get smaller and smaller as it
Speaker 2: ran off into the woods. And like I say, I
Speaker 2: can't comment on the sound because of other woods sounds
Speaker 2: for sounds are but the speed it ran, I'm thankful
Speaker 2: it ran away from me, had to run towards me.
Speaker 1: I would have been not so calm but it and
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I watched it disappear into the woods,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think a thing of it. I just said, oh, well, okay,
Speaker 1: and I continued on my hike and went about my way,
Speaker 1: and it turned. It moved so fast that I was
Speaker 1: wondering what I was looking at. I thought, am I
Speaker 1: really seeing this? Never seeing thing run so fast? And
Speaker 1: it was gone so quickly. I thought, if I had
Speaker 1: a rifle with me, ad rifle with wine in the chamber,
Speaker 1: and that thing had decided to run at me, I thought,
Speaker 1: I even at twenty feet, I thought, there is a
Speaker 1: very small chance that I would ever be able to
Speaker 1: get my barrel up at that thing and take a shot.
Speaker 1: It moved so quick you never get a second shot.
Speaker 1: If you got a first shot that thing. You'd never
Speaker 1: get a second shot if it didn't kill it the
Speaker 1: first time. So that is how quick they moved. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize they moved that fast. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what age group that thing was, but that bigfoot was.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't there to harm me. It was just
Speaker 1: observing me, and like I say, more interested in their habitat,
Speaker 1: and I'm definitely not.
Speaker 2: Scared of them.
Speaker 1: I look forward to more encounters than I might have
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 2: We've had two encounters in twenty years within a couple
Speaker 2: hundred yards of one another. You obviously live in a
Speaker 2: place that they at least passed through occasionally, which brings
Speaker 2: to mind a question you mentioned after your first three
Speaker 2: After your first encounter with these things when you were fifteen,
Speaker 2: you didn't mention it to your dad for about a month.
Speaker 2: When you did mention it to your dad, did you
Speaker 2: describe it as a bear or something weirder? And what
Speaker 2: was his reaction?
Speaker 1: Dad is a really hard person to convince of anything.
Speaker 1: He doesn't believe in big foil. I should say he
Speaker 1: doesn't generally believe the sightings of Bigfoot are bigfoot here everybody.
Speaker 1: He thinks that they're bears people see. And he doesn't
Speaker 1: believe in UFOs or any stuff. And so to tell
Speaker 1: you that my dad that I had an encounter it
Speaker 1: was something huge in the woods. He's probably not.
Speaker 2: Going to believe it, but oh, you believe you saw something.
Speaker 1: I saw something. He wrote it off as a bear,
Speaker 1: A bear. I told him about after a month and
Speaker 1: he just said, yeah, that's a.
Speaker 2: Bear, and you thought it was a bear at the time.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a bear. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a really big bear.
Speaker 1: But kodiak bear or something I don't know, and and
Speaker 1: that that's what it was.
Speaker 2: And it was left to that for all these years,
Speaker 2: has there been other activity on your property, either that
Speaker 2: you're aware of being bigfoot or now looking back, you
Speaker 2: kind of wonder, well, gosh, maybe that was a big foot.
Speaker 1: Well I've spoken with my sister who lives in Vermont
Speaker 1: now and she comes back on occasions and see the family,
Speaker 1: and I've spoken to her about this and we agree that.
Speaker 1: You know, after having come to your museum here right
Speaker 1: away the first time I came and heard all the
Speaker 1: sounds that you have recorded in the back, I've heard
Speaker 1: the whoops those call the three whoops in a row.
Speaker 2: I've heard that. We've heard those.
Speaker 1: And the tree knocks throughout our lives in the woods,
Speaker 1: and more of the tree knocks than anything we've heard.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many of those in the
Speaker 2: woods when we were kids.
Speaker 1: And we always just thought it was some great, big,
Speaker 1: some woodpecker that was out there, that the sound was
Speaker 1: echoing off the walls of the mountains, you know, because
Speaker 1: that sound carries good out there, but in just strange
Speaker 1: forest noise. We couldn't explain. We didn't know what they were.
Speaker 1: But looking back, I know exactly what they were now
Speaker 1: that i've heard yours.
Speaker 2: The whoops.
Speaker 1: I heard those out in the woods once when I
Speaker 1: was out dirt bike and when I was younger, same era,
Speaker 1: I was late teens. I got way up in the
Speaker 1: woods on a dead end road and a logging road
Speaker 1: way up there, and I was out messed around the
Speaker 1: woods and I heard those and they were pretty close
Speaker 1: to me, and it freaked me out and I got
Speaker 1: out of there.
Speaker 2: I remember that they were.
Speaker 1: Coming down through the woods from uphill some distance up
Speaker 1: through the woods. There was a quick run down through
Speaker 1: the valley through there between two slopes, and it was
Speaker 1: heavily timbered, and I heard that three in succession, and
Speaker 1: they were pretty loud, and I just got a feeling
Speaker 1: like I wasn't supposed to be there.
Speaker 2: And I remember I jumped on my dirt bike and
Speaker 2: I was gone. There's something clearly about that your particular
Speaker 2: area they like. And I would be confident in saying
Speaker 2: that they're there. Are a lot more than you realize,
Speaker 2: probably always have been and probably hopefully always will be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And I hope to my folks don't feel
Speaker 1: the same, but I hope to experience more encounters. They've
Speaker 1: been up there all this time, never see anything, And
Speaker 1: I said, I'm hopeful. I say, hey, we'll see when again,
Speaker 1: and I don't like that they're still a live Then
Speaker 1: they're still alive.
Speaker 2: And did you tell them about your encounter last January?
Speaker 1: Uh huh?
Speaker 2: And they have any comments about that?
Speaker 1: Oh? They after all this time. I think it's just
Speaker 1: kind of known to all of us that they exist.
Speaker 1: They're out there, and from what I've found in other sources,
Speaker 1: they don't. They're not there to harm you. You're in
Speaker 1: their territory and they watch you out of curiosity. And
Speaker 1: I have no reason to feel that they're out there
Speaker 1: to harm us, and that's why I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 2: Well, if your parents are still around and they're up
Speaker 2: for it, you give me a hauler, bring them in.
Speaker 2: I'll let them into the back for free, and they
Speaker 2: can prouse the whole place and check it out and
Speaker 2: see if the evidence that we have back there is
Speaker 2: enough to open their mind a little bit further. Okay,
Speaker 2: sounds good, Cliff, all right, cool, Well, I think with
Speaker 2: that we'll just go ahead and close this one down.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry Bobo wasn't here. After you guys are out
Speaker 2: there listening to just me. I'm sorry to subject the
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