Speaker 1: Taylor Williams sixteen points, throws it away. Haliburton comes out
Speaker 1: with a cross court see ya, come fin a slam.
Speaker 1: This is the baseline discussing the hot button topics of
Speaker 1: the NBA. Welcome everybody or two to the baseline. Calie
Speaker 1: Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. It
Speaker 1: is our go live, our live version wrap up of
Speaker 1: Game six of the NBA Finals. Back in the fold
Speaker 1: as always, And yeah, we just witnessed what we call
Speaker 1: is a molly woppin of the Oklahoma City Thunder as
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers even up the series three to three.
Speaker 1: That means that we will have a Game seven. And okay,
Speaker 1: see alongside him. You know, I gotta roll with my
Speaker 1: right hand man, brother from another mother, mister Warshaw ripping
Speaker 1: out of Fort Laudier, Florida was good, mister Shaw. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you giving us a little glimpse into the fervor
Speaker 1: that took place in Indiana. The Siam posterization gives us
Speaker 1: a good Juneteenth field to level of a level of
Speaker 1: jubilants I'm sure is emanating out there in Indiana, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, something like that, right, I think that was
Speaker 2: the defining moment. I think of that second half and
Speaker 2: the proverboial nail in the coffin early on, you know,
Speaker 2: for this game here siakam, you know with that, you know,
Speaker 2: mantras thunderous dunk and then even before the half ends,
Speaker 2: he hits a fat away jumper, you know, to kind
Speaker 2: of push lead up to twenty four. So the Indiana
Speaker 2: Pacers dominate this game, not start to finish because they
Speaker 2: were down here to start at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: first quarter. But you know, once the subs came in, TJ.
Speaker 2: McConnell will be topping kind of do their thing. Yet again,
Speaker 2: here are a wild or sorry not a wild. A
Speaker 2: very very slow start start the third quarter for both teams,
Speaker 2: but Indiana ends up just taking this thing kind of
Speaker 2: going away. Man, a miraculous, miraculous game, I think from
Speaker 2: their lens, especially going into it with a hobbled Tarre's
Speaker 2: halliburry and okay, see not getting it done here despite
Speaker 2: being on the road. I get it. But man, with
Speaker 2: Halliburton down like this, really really surprising that they got
Speaker 2: whooped with they did here on the road or otherwise.
Speaker 2: But I just would have expected a different outcome. Even
Speaker 2: if Okay, so lost, I just think they were gonna
Speaker 2: go down like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna keep it one hundred. This was
Speaker 1: a pissport performance by the Oklahoma City Thunder. There's just
Speaker 1: no getting around it. And I'm not saying this because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, drum up any level of
Speaker 1: controversy or Listen, you and I have had many episodes
Speaker 1: and we have spoken very highly about the Oklahoma City Thunder. Well,
Speaker 1: we also have to recognize that it's because of how
Speaker 1: well they've played wire to wire that when you see
Speaker 1: performances like this, it just really makes you wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: what were they thinking when they got out there onto
Speaker 1: the basketball court. Now I could put on my conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory hat and say, you know what, they just felt
Speaker 1: like they didn't have it and they just I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: packed it in. But it's almost like they had their
Speaker 1: mind made up. They're going to try to finish this
Speaker 1: out in Okay, see, even if it is a Game seven.
Speaker 1: But when I tell you shall, when I see the
Speaker 1: level of I don't know, attention to detail, when I
Speaker 1: see the level of effort that's being played, I'm not
Speaker 1: questioning a team saying that they're dogging it. But I'm
Speaker 1: saying is is when they are mentally checked out and
Speaker 1: the opposing team sees that and they prey on that,
Speaker 1: it's your responsibility to at least instill a level of
Speaker 1: doubt that maybe you didn't come with your A effort
Speaker 1: and thus if you do play your A game, you
Speaker 1: still don't have a chance, even if it's going to
Speaker 1: be a Game seven. What I saw from this is
Speaker 1: you left the gate wide open because to your point,
Speaker 1: tyree'se Haliburton was not one hundred percent, but TJ McConnell,
Speaker 1: yet again, in this series, has been a difference maker.
Speaker 1: The role players for the Indiana Pacers have been difference makers,
Speaker 1: and they have been increasingly becoming X factors as they
Speaker 1: get further and further into the series, to the point
Speaker 1: where I would not be surprised if Rick Carlip not
Speaker 1: in a level of desperation, but in the level of
Speaker 1: strategy deploys. You know that Halliburton McConnell's thing that they
Speaker 1: were afraid of doing throughout the course of this finals
Speaker 1: that he deployed is that full tilt because he recognizes
Speaker 1: that McConnell actually sees matchup matchups that favor him because
Speaker 1: of the lack of attention to detail by the OKAC
Speaker 1: Thunder backcourt defense. And I'm even putting that on Alex
Speaker 1: Caruso at times has not been able to contain TJ
Speaker 1: McConnell when he's been matched up with him. SGA poor
Speaker 1: defensive performance. Galen Williams has his problems. He's too he's
Speaker 1: too big for a guy like McConnell who will get
Speaker 1: past him. So this is a problem. And I think
Speaker 1: if the OKAC Thunder collectively defensively gets their mind right, okay,
Speaker 1: but if this it was an indication that this Game
Speaker 1: seven looks like what the Indiana Pacers are gonna do
Speaker 1: to the Okay see Thunder defense. Okay, see Thunder really
Speaker 1: do need to look at what they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: do offensively because they've not been consistent offensively, but they
Speaker 1: had been consistent defensively for the most part. And we
Speaker 1: just aw just literally just that defense is collapse, That
Speaker 1: that defense was a no show. There was no level
Speaker 1: of aggression. I don't know if they're tired or did again.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they could have just been checking out
Speaker 1: and not you know, thinking that, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: we'll just let we'll take our chances with the game seven.
Speaker 1: And that's just not I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can take chances with the game seven.
Speaker 1: You no, I but that's what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 1: I it's it's to me, that's a level of arrogance
Speaker 1: if you think that you are gonna be like that.
Speaker 1: But I think they got I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, I need they be And I know, like you
Speaker 2: don't want that to happen. You don't want that to
Speaker 2: be the case is like, oh, well, you're just gonna whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw that happen like what was it
Speaker 2: in the Rockets? Uh? And the Warrior series. We're going
Speaker 2: to say is like they took they clearly took a
Speaker 2: game off and that was early in the playoffs or
Speaker 2: whatever because they just felt ahead they'd be able to
Speaker 2: get it done and the end up going seven games. Uh. This,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's what happened here. I think what
Speaker 2: ended up happening on the Indiana side is that they
Speaker 2: really they played for their lives and they started to
Speaker 2: force turnal. They set doubles at SGA that we haven't
Speaker 2: really seen as much in this series, especially when Sja
Speaker 2: tries to do if yes, she turns his back, usually
Speaker 2: he's facing somebody's facing them hard and he's still he
Speaker 2: may be dancing, but he's straight on with the basket.
Speaker 2: He turned his back a little bit almost likely, you know,
Speaker 2: if he was trying to pull us or to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, like the smithy and kind of go back,
Speaker 2: and in the end it would send help anytime that happened.
Speaker 2: And then that is that was forcing toroneovers the Pacers
Speaker 2: defense of this in this game, specifically in the middle
Speaker 2: of the second quarter, as you alluded to, especially when
Speaker 2: McConnell and Topping kind of in the game in they
Speaker 2: just bring another level of energy. And I don't know
Speaker 2: what more we can say about Halliburt and just being
Speaker 2: a leader, stepping out into this space, going out there
Speaker 2: literally on one leg, and that what that does for
Speaker 2: the mantra and the energy of your team. And while
Speaker 2: they didn't get off to that great start, I think
Speaker 2: him just being out there as the leader showed so
Speaker 2: much for them and okay, see was not on their
Speaker 2: best game. And I just yes, they're young, because I
Speaker 2: think that's what the Broad was saying that Gonnall keep saying, hey,
Speaker 2: we're the youngest team, the youngest team or the second
Speaker 2: youngest team ever even to make it to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2: That is not not utilizing that as an excuse. I
Speaker 2: want to give all the credit to Indiana here and
Speaker 2: not like okay see didn't know what to do or
Speaker 2: they didn't know how to play, like they got whooked.
Speaker 2: You know, Indiana was really playing for their lives, and
Speaker 2: we saw something from this Pacers team that by now
Speaker 2: we should probably expect and be used to. But I
Speaker 2: think you had called it. You said okay see in five,
Speaker 2: and I said that was the right call. I still
Speaker 2: picked okay in seven and seven just because I was
Speaker 2: like this, the Nan team has something that we cannot quantify,
Speaker 2: and we saw that not be quantified here tonight in
Speaker 2: the effort that they showed here, especially from the middle
Speaker 2: of that first quarter all the way out for the
Speaker 2: rest of this game.
Speaker 1: So I want to touch on something that Jesus mentioned
Speaker 1: about Tyrese Haliburton, and it's what I think we were
Speaker 1: talking about a couple of times over or at least
Speaker 1: what my expectations are about Tyrese Haliburton, because the narrative
Speaker 1: has been Tyree's Halleton has got to be that guy.
Speaker 1: He's got to be hitting no shots, this, that, and
Speaker 1: the third. No, Tyrese Haliburton doesn't have to be that
Speaker 1: kind of guy. I don't even think Tyre's Haliburton ever
Speaker 1: had to be that person. But the fact that he
Speaker 1: has that a part of his game, and I've said
Speaker 1: this time and time again, is a great asset because
Speaker 1: it takes the pressure off of those role players who
Speaker 1: when given that opportunity in time to shine, they may
Speaker 1: not be able to handle it, with the exception of
Speaker 1: TJ McConnell, but in a situation like this, right in
Speaker 1: a game like this, it's very easy for the Rick
Speaker 1: Carlisles of the world, for an Indiana Pacers team that
Speaker 1: has gotten this far to say, you know, I know
Speaker 1: you're hobbled, Tyrese, but take us to the Promised Land.
Speaker 1: And he didn't fall for that, he didn't bite on that.
Speaker 1: He wasn't out there to be a bait either, but
Speaker 1: he was out there to help facilitate and get guys
Speaker 1: where they needed to be to maximize great shot opportunities
Speaker 1: that the Indiana Pacers made good on in a critical
Speaker 1: win or go home or lose, you know, lose all
Speaker 1: situation with the Pacers, right, And if you're the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City thunder, while your whole intent defensively was to, you know,
Speaker 1: go after the wounded animal, the miscalculation was not respecting
Speaker 1: the fact that Tyrese Haliburton is a floor general. He
Speaker 1: is a floor He's a legitimate for I will. I
Speaker 1: wanted to make the argument Shaw, and I know it's
Speaker 1: gonna sound crazy, but I want people to really understand
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from. Tyrese Halliburton, to me, exhibits more
Speaker 1: floor general general qualities than sg A in the sense
Speaker 1: that he can distribute the basketball. He can also make
Speaker 1: critical shots down the stretch. And while it's great that
Speaker 1: SGA can score thirty two points per game, you clearly
Speaker 1: saw the difference in the demeanor and the mentality in
Speaker 1: the tone of the expectations of what is asked of
Speaker 1: your team. If on a pivot, SGA didn't need to
Speaker 1: have to take so many shots, he could have been
Speaker 1: a great distributor or could put easily put the ball
Speaker 1: in the hands of other guys who go out there
Speaker 1: and make plays. But instead OKAC is watching their MVP
Speaker 1: player go out there make bad decisions with the basketball,
Speaker 1: turning the basketball over, bad shots, selection things of that nature.
Speaker 1: At some point, you, as SGA, you have to stop
Speaker 1: yourself and you have to say, am I helping the team?
Speaker 1: Am I hurting the team? Now? This is just one
Speaker 1: particular game. And again I'm not trying to play up
Speaker 1: the controversy that SGA is not deserving of being the
Speaker 1: MVP and he's not the greatest player, or whatever the
Speaker 1: case would be. But what I'm saying is, in the
Speaker 1: situation like this, when you don't have one aspect of
Speaker 1: your game that is working for you, that is part
Speaker 1: of it in totality what makes the OKC Thunder the
Speaker 1: great team that they are and where they are. You
Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to pivot and somehow
Speaker 1: in the last forty eight hours, when everything has been
Speaker 1: about the calf strain and whether or not Tyrese Haliburton
Speaker 1: was going to be able to come out there and
Speaker 1: be on the basketball court, this wasn't a Willis Reed moment.
Speaker 1: But you saw leadership qualities and a guy who made
Speaker 1: the great sacrifice play. He didn't fall for the trap
Speaker 1: of having to go out there and jack up shots
Speaker 1: and make bad decisions and feel like he's got to
Speaker 1: put it all his shoulders. He actually relied on his
Speaker 1: teammates and his teammates and his role players, everybody straight
Speaker 1: through helped make him a great player, make it easy
Speaker 1: for him to help this Indiana Pacers team do what
Speaker 1: they did to Oklahoma City Thunder. And this, to me,
Speaker 1: shaw is what makes the Indiana Pacers dangerous going into
Speaker 1: Game seven because now it opens up these things that
Speaker 1: we didn't think were I want to say, tangible, but
Speaker 1: were amenable given the circumstances because Okac had been in
Speaker 1: front of most of those things. They had a counter
Speaker 1: for some of these things you cannot counter When you
Speaker 1: even don't know whether or not they're gonna need Haliburton,
Speaker 1: you never know Haliburt might actually step up and have
Speaker 1: one of those performances that he had back in Game
Speaker 1: one because of what just took it.
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting how quiet it gets, right
Speaker 2: because he had fourteen points and five assists in twenty
Speaker 2: three minutes, right, and obviously he wasn't really needed, didn't
Speaker 2: play any minutes in the fourth quarter, so all the
Speaker 2: noise around Halliburt and what he needs to do and
Speaker 2: how he needs to do it is kind of muted
Speaker 2: now as a result of this win. But I think
Speaker 2: to your point, it's because everybody was already uplifted just
Speaker 2: by the virtue of him being on the court, and
Speaker 2: then Obi Toppin had an Obi Toppin type game and
Speaker 2: McConnell does McConnell like things as well too. They didn't
Speaker 2: get a whole lot up for Mathren, you know, and
Speaker 2: some other guys. It got a couple of three from
Speaker 2: Venture for tonight as well, but outside of that, it
Speaker 2: was just the way Topping and McConnell play that uplifted
Speaker 2: this bench nim hard with some timely shots as well. Siakam,
Speaker 2: I think has been solid throughout the course of the series.
Speaker 2: That not a great scoring night wasn't needed obviously, as
Speaker 2: they kind of lowed the doors off them in the
Speaker 2: second half, and those are the things that were kind
Speaker 2: of like all in Indiana's favor, like it just it
Speaker 2: was their night. And as you alluded to with SGA,
Speaker 2: he gets all of the credit. He's not necessarily an
Speaker 2: Aligned superstar in many ways and nearly not in the
Speaker 2: leagues align at Harry's Halliburton is and maybe Haliburt doesn't
Speaker 2: have the same cachet, right, but and she did have
Speaker 2: a turnoverside. And again that's where again you have to
Speaker 2: credit carl out in the defensive scheme, they said. The
Speaker 2: broadcast even indicated Nemhart is not picking him up ninety
Speaker 2: four feet now, Hey, we're picking him up a little
Speaker 2: bit above the break, trying to save them Harzlake, so
Speaker 2: that he can't contribute on the offensive side. There were
Speaker 2: subtle differences in tonight's game and tonight's attack for the
Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers. Yes, with their season on the line, but
Speaker 2: they tried some things there that seem to frustrate. Okay, see,
Speaker 2: and I don't think we can go another minute without
Speaker 2: talking about how batchit Holmgrant has looked at various parts
Speaker 2: of this series. Miles Turner, I wouldn't say, is having
Speaker 2: an amazing series statistically himself, but the floor game and
Speaker 2: the head games he seems to be playing, which at
Speaker 2: Holmgren that is that has been masterful. I get by
Speaker 2: Miles Turner when they're on the floor and and old
Speaker 2: bit just looks lost, turns to block a shot on
Speaker 2: multiple occasions, frustrated. It's trying to do too much off
Speaker 2: the bounce. I have to create a Myles Turner. While
Speaker 2: he shot one of nine and had three points to
Speaker 2: night and two blocks, he is in Homeward's head. And
Speaker 2: that's something Chat if they are going to win game
Speaker 2: seven he has to figure out because you can't say, oh,
Speaker 2: the other one's gonna give you another forty again, like, yes,
Speaker 2: that was great, but you think you can't rely on that.
Speaker 2: Chit has to figure out a way to get involved
Speaker 2: in this series.
Speaker 1: Well, so Sarl, let's go ahead and pivot to that.
Speaker 1: To that point, right, the Oklahoma City Thunder were eight
Speaker 1: for thirty from three. Okay, and at some particular point,
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know. Well, now we can't because
Speaker 1: it's a game seven, so there's there's no wiggle room here.
Speaker 1: But at some point, if if I'm daggonall, I gotta
Speaker 1: be looking at my team and I gotta be like,
Speaker 1: why are we jacking up threes. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: you shouldn't shoot the three. If it's available and it's
Speaker 1: within the flow of what your offense is supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing. I got no problem with it. You know what,
Speaker 1: I mean, but nothing about the Oklahoma City Thunder offensive
Speaker 1: scheme shows a level of aggressiveness of attacking a team that, yes,
Speaker 1: while they have stepped up defensively in this finals, it
Speaker 1: still doesn't mass the fact that you're getting foul calls,
Speaker 1: you're getting opportunities to get to the free throw line,
Speaker 1: but yet you bail out the other team by jacking
Speaker 1: up threes that you're not even making. The threes that
Speaker 1: have been hit in the last two games have been
Speaker 1: by Wiggins. You're what is it, your third deep bench player, right,
Speaker 1: It's not coming from Jamen Williams. It's not coming from
Speaker 1: a ton of guys with this level of consistency. So
Speaker 1: I don't understanding.
Speaker 2: Hell, I have to stop you only from the lines
Speaker 2: because I think you can't always look at just the
Speaker 2: bottom line number right, And with okay, see in totality,
Speaker 2: did they shoot thirty threes, Well, how many those threes
Speaker 2: came after the game was out of hand. So they
Speaker 2: shot ten threes in the fourth quarter when the game
Speaker 2: was done. So at the end of the day, they
Speaker 2: shot twenty threes in the first three quarters, one of
Speaker 2: eleven in the first half. Not great, right, They're not
Speaker 2: a great three point shooting team. They must ride off momentum,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that was a huge factor in
Speaker 2: their overall offensive a tank. I think it was more
Speaker 2: of the turtovers than they'll shooting.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, Shaw, but let me slightly
Speaker 1: now push back to you on this point. I am
Speaker 1: focusing on the timing of or the execution of the shots.
Speaker 1: If what you're telling me is is the Pacers are
Speaker 1: forcing the Oklahoma City Thunder to shoot threes. Forget the number.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you're forcing them to shoot threes rather
Speaker 1: than attacking the basket. Okay, then that's one thing, but
Speaker 1: that's not what's happening. That's not what's happening. The Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City Thunder are choosing to shoot the three ball they
Speaker 1: pass passing around. I don't see the level of aggressiveness
Speaker 1: in attacking the Indiana Pacers, putting them on their heels
Speaker 1: with a consistent amount of effort. It almost feels like
Speaker 1: if the Pacers find a rhythm offensively and start pushing
Speaker 1: the Thunder to where it's in their head, they seem like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to start taking shots, and let me say this,
Speaker 1: let me not use just the word three. Let's say
Speaker 1: they're shooting the basketball rather than attacking with the basketball.
Speaker 1: They're bailing out on fadeaways, they're bailing out on mid
Speaker 1: range jump shots that are not particularly where they want
Speaker 1: things to be, or they're just standing there watching SGA
Speaker 1: try to take those shots. And I just say that
Speaker 1: that's not how we've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder effectively
Speaker 1: and efficiently score the basketball. That's not their way of
Speaker 1: scoring the basketball. And so maybe this is something that
Speaker 1: you have to be concerned about when dealing with the
Speaker 1: team that's applying the kind of pressure that the Indiana
Speaker 1: Pacers are applying. Because this is going all the way
Speaker 1: back to Game one show. I said this, if the
Speaker 1: game becomes a low scoring affair when it comes to
Speaker 1: the Pacers and the Thunder, I feel that the Thunder
Speaker 1: have the better advantage because they're better efficiently scoring the
Speaker 1: basketball than the Pacers. However, if the Thunder are conceding
Speaker 1: additional shots, if they're conceding opportunities for the Pacers to
Speaker 1: keep going at them, keep going at them. Now, you're
Speaker 1: forcing the Oklahoma City Thunder to actually make a lot
Speaker 1: of those misses, right, and every time that they continue
Speaker 1: to miss and don't stop the team on the other end,
Speaker 1: it becomes anywhere between a four five point swing that
Speaker 1: now pushes things further behind for them, and then you
Speaker 1: see them having to exhaust so much effort in them
Speaker 1: coming back into games, staying in games, and all that
Speaker 1: other kind of stuff. And to me, that's not where
Speaker 1: you want to be if you're an Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 1: But I'm just highlighting the fact that the three point
Speaker 1: shot to me, seems to always be their bailout mechanism
Speaker 1: rather than something that is executed within strategy and consistency.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you can't jump back and forth. I
Speaker 2: mean because like I said, if you're worried about the
Speaker 2: quality of shots after getting I can I can maybe
Speaker 2: go with you that on there. I think Jalen Williams
Speaker 2: J Dubb didn't attack in the same way that we
Speaker 2: saw obviously in the previous game and getting downhill and
Speaker 2: getting into the teeth of the defense as you say
Speaker 2: all the time, that wasn't there. But again, the three
Speaker 2: point shots specifically was not the issue. They were only
Speaker 2: one of eleven going into the half and they were
Speaker 2: still down twenty points, So it's not like they shot
Speaker 2: twenty five threes in the first half. It was eleven shots.
Speaker 2: They didn't make any, and that's just I mean, that's
Speaker 2: just how that goes sometimes. And then they end up
Speaker 2: going five to ten in the fourth quarter when the
Speaker 2: game is out of hand. So to me, like it's
Speaker 2: it's it's not necessarily a moot point, but I think
Speaker 2: in terms of the quality of shots and who's being
Speaker 2: aggressive and who's getting the shots is something that does
Speaker 2: need to take into account, which brings me back to
Speaker 2: the Jets standpoint as well too, Cruso not really being
Speaker 2: able to be effective offensively in the end, It is
Speaker 2: not worried about him from the perimeter. Cruso's had some
Speaker 2: pretty robust scoring games in this series, twenty points and
Speaker 2: hitting some threes here and there. That just wasn't the
Speaker 2: case tonight. I I we've said in this series, right,
Speaker 2: we thought okay SE's defense was the better of the
Speaker 2: two defenses. Indiana's defense is showing to be not maybe
Speaker 2: just as formidable, pretty damn formidable in its own sales though.
Speaker 2: But I did say I thought Indiana's bench scoring was
Speaker 2: better than okay Sees bench scoring. Okay Sees bench scoring
Speaker 2: often comes off of the turnovers that the entirety of
Speaker 2: that defense ultimately creates. So now if you have Topen
Speaker 2: and McConnell and Mathern in certain points of the series
Speaker 2: playing decent to high level defense and still giving that
Speaker 2: offensive output as we see Indiana's having that be able
Speaker 2: to oscillate, you know, throughout the couch to Storty. Some
Speaker 2: guys are on one night. Mccaus been pretty consistent topping
Speaker 2: a couple of nights, math Aron another night. That to
Speaker 2: me is something that Okay see is having a hard
Speaker 2: time match because they are top heavy when it comes
Speaker 2: to the scorers, especially if Caruso is not going to
Speaker 2: have an explosive scoring game off the bench while still
Speaker 2: giving you positive defense. Harnstein not really a fat offensively
Speaker 2: in this series at to the stage. So right now,
Speaker 2: if if Wiggins or Wallace are not getting hot, that's
Speaker 2: where okay c' is really going to struggle with their
Speaker 2: with their scoring and scoring in general.
Speaker 1: So so let me ask you this question, then, Shaw,
Speaker 1: if you're the if you're Okay C right, what do
Speaker 1: you what do you do right?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What what exactly is it that you do to open
Speaker 1: things up for check Holmgren, who to me seems like
Speaker 1: the only time he is effective is if he's he's
Speaker 1: he's shooting the three, not you know, is he gonna
Speaker 1: give you anything for rebounding? Is he going to give
Speaker 1: you anything for uh, you know, second chance opportunities? Isaiah Hartenstein,
Speaker 1: same same thing, right, Like, what what are we saying
Speaker 1: needs to happen in order for them to be a
Speaker 1: factor in a game seven, so to speak?
Speaker 2: I think offensively, So what out looking at like second
Speaker 2: spectrum and all those you know, great data analysis serving sites.
Speaker 2: I think there's the aspect of actually playing some pick
Speaker 2: and roll and maybe even some inverted pick and roll
Speaker 2: with both Chad, J Dubb and Sga some combination of
Speaker 2: those three guys on a regular basis, what we often
Speaker 2: see is a lot of swing swing, and then J
Speaker 2: Dubb or SGA is kind of going one on one.
Speaker 2: SJA may look for a pick and roll and then
Speaker 2: just try to break his guy down. But they's not
Speaker 2: a lot of pick and pop or pick and and
Speaker 2: and kind of like throw it to the role man,
Speaker 2: you know, okay sees offense. I think you see some
Speaker 2: of that with Hartenstein, but maybe some of the dribble handoffs.
Speaker 2: When Check gets into trouble and he drives and he
Speaker 2: gets bottled up, then he's looking to kind of make
Speaker 2: a pass. He did do that in the first half
Speaker 2: where he tried to drive turn or shut him down.
Speaker 2: Then he kind of did a bailout to Cruso. Crusoe
Speaker 2: drive drove, but Turner got back and blocked the shot.
Speaker 2: But they just need more movement in the totality of
Speaker 2: their offense, and I think in some ways that's where
Speaker 2: even your Kesa Wallace is and guys like that can
Speaker 2: get some get some catches off secondary action. But if
Speaker 2: they do become too stagnant or two balld dominant with
Speaker 2: either one of their two great All Stars and SGA
Speaker 2: and Jalen Williams, that's where things can get kind of
Speaker 2: bogged down, especially if the defense, like the Indiana's defense,
Speaker 2: is going to be as active as they are and
Speaker 2: they're like kind of sitting and waiting on some of
Speaker 2: those actions. They're almost baiting them in the same way
Speaker 2: that okay okay see has been baiting you know, other
Speaker 2: teams into this playoffs. I think Carlisle's done a great
Speaker 2: and masterful job and trying to kind of force in
Speaker 2: some ways of what you're saying earlier to get to
Speaker 2: to reduce the quality of okay See shots or reduce
Speaker 2: them to more one on one action where they feel like,
Speaker 2: all right, maybe we can actually live with this because
Speaker 2: our depth offensively is better than their depth offensively as
Speaker 2: long as Indiana's not turning the ball over. But that's
Speaker 2: the second part here. Turnovers have been such a big
Speaker 2: part of his NBA Finals that we knew that was
Speaker 2: going to be the case, but it just continues to
Speaker 2: come up. It just continues to you know, Rear's ugly
Speaker 2: head and okay See had just had a really really
Speaker 2: hard time handling the balls. Like as I said, as
Speaker 2: she with eight turnovers tonight, very uncharacteristic. And you cannot
Speaker 2: win on the road with a turnovers from the MVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, again, I'm just gonna look at
Speaker 1: what I just saw from this particular game. It just
Speaker 1: didn't look like they were prepared, right Like, even when
Speaker 1: they were pivoting to try to move the ball a
Speaker 1: little bit more, Hartenstein dropped dropped the sure five pass
Speaker 1: cut into the basket because he wasn't ready for the pass.
Speaker 1: Because I think he was just basically expecting SGA to
Speaker 1: take up a shot, right. J Dubb made a pass
Speaker 1: I believe to check homebring he couldn't handle the pass right,
Speaker 1: because I think they were basically waiting, you know, for
Speaker 1: Jadeub to go and do a little pick and pop
Speaker 1: situation or whatever, the ISO pop situation right, And I
Speaker 1: think you know a lot of the points that you
Speaker 1: made solid points. I think what I'm getting at is
Speaker 1: is that these guys, right, they need to be better
Speaker 1: or about how they want to attack the Indiana Pacers,
Speaker 1: because it seems like if the intent is you want
Speaker 1: to sit and wait and watch, and if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to do, then be all in about doing that.
Speaker 1: If you are, you know, if you've got an SGA
Speaker 1: and you got a JDub, that means though that the
Speaker 1: rest of them have to assimulate and go in and
Speaker 1: attack and do the necessary things that I think we
Speaker 1: have seen them do throughout the course of this series.
Speaker 1: It's not as if anything is completely changed in the
Speaker 1: sense that if OKAC is going to be like this,
Speaker 1: and Carlisle has countered that OKC has figured out a
Speaker 1: way to counter it back, or at least make them
Speaker 1: pay for that, but in this particular game, it didn't
Speaker 1: look like they were prepared for anything at all, right,
Speaker 1: not even prepared to have a contingency to whatever it
Speaker 1: was that was taking place in their struggles offensively.
Speaker 2: Can I can I go back to an earlier point
Speaker 2: you said, though, because as you're saying that, it brings
Speaker 2: me to maybe one thing when we talk about, Okay,
Speaker 2: Cee's overall mindset, maybe subconsciously, maybe we're not there. We're
Speaker 2: not in the locker room. We can't say this. We
Speaker 2: don't we're not psychologists, but there could be the aspect
Speaker 2: right of, hey, how he's down. We should be able
Speaker 2: to get these boys tonight, right, and and maybe they
Speaker 2: tilt their eye off off the ball a little bit,
Speaker 2: just figured it like, Okay, there's no way this team
Speaker 2: is going to be able to beat us in the
Speaker 2: way that we are with their star player having a
Speaker 2: calf strain, Like there's just like there's no way that
Speaker 2: that should be the case. And they were in for
Speaker 2: obviously a route a waking and surprise. But the other
Speaker 2: part of this too is Okay, see, offensively, they do
Speaker 2: need to feel figure out a way to be better
Speaker 2: when their defense is not turning their not turning into
Speaker 2: offense for them. If they're not turning you know, those
Speaker 2: live ball turnovers, those pick sixes, as we say, all right,
Speaker 2: how are you getting your buckets efficiently within the offensive
Speaker 2: and the half court set. That's something that I think,
Speaker 2: okay see has not necessarily mastered in this specific series
Speaker 2: because they are so again ball dominant and you know
Speaker 2: in JWN SGA, but they've been getting contributions kind of throughout.
Speaker 2: I mean, no, Wiggins has has has had moments in
Speaker 2: this series. We know Caruso's had moments in this series.
Speaker 2: And both of those guys didn't really do much tonight
Speaker 2: unfortunately for them in Game six. So that's where I
Speaker 2: thing Dagnault then needs to readjust and say, all right, well,
Speaker 2: if we're not going to be able to force turnovers
Speaker 2: like and again you can't predict that, like it could
Speaker 2: be your night. All of a sudden, Dan starts throwing
Speaker 2: the ball around and then you're you're just in better
Speaker 2: spots and you're getting those pick sixers that we're talking about,
Speaker 2: But you need to figure out ways like all right,
Speaker 2: how are we going to get efficient offense and be
Speaker 2: able to truly match what they're doing to us on
Speaker 2: the other side of the basketball with Indiana's kind of
Speaker 2: like pace where seven or eight guys really are capable scores.
Speaker 2: And I think there was a one point in the
Speaker 2: telecast same thing they said, oh, like seven guys already
Speaker 2: have seven points tonight for for Indiana when it's really
Speaker 2: that type of, you know, death by depth type of situation.
Speaker 2: That's where you know, Indiana does have the advantage offensively,
Speaker 2: but with their defense turning up the way that it
Speaker 2: has been, that's really what took them over their edge
Speaker 2: here tonight. Twenty one turnovers for ok See to ten
Speaker 2: for Indiana again eight by s Jay alone And I
Speaker 2: think that's your ball game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, CALLI weren't y'all basedline NBA podcast. I
Speaker 1: just got a couple more points in regards to be
Speaker 1: it's something that you just mentioned. It just made me
Speaker 1: kind of think about this. You know, this series, Shaw
Speaker 1: has shown us different facets or different phase faces of
Speaker 1: each of these teams. Specifically, one team obviously has figured
Speaker 1: out a way to somewhat change its face when necessary
Speaker 1: in order for it to continue to thrive and stay
Speaker 1: in the series. Right. The other team has had the
Speaker 1: luxury of always falling back to what you're saying. Because
Speaker 1: they've been so great defensively and because they have a
Speaker 1: propensity to get teams to turn the ball over. This
Speaker 1: was one of those games in which even though they
Speaker 1: got some turnovers, it didn't hurt the Indiana Pacers. The
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers, however, turned okay See over and it hurt
Speaker 1: Okay See. More importantly, it was the timing of the turnovers.
Speaker 1: Even when Oka See was trying to make something of
Speaker 1: a run, a semblance of a run, Indiana got them
Speaker 1: to turn the ball over and it basically jacked the
Speaker 1: lead back up again. You know that third quarter a
Speaker 1: buzzer beater by Shepherd to boost it to a thirty
Speaker 1: point lead. I mean, like all of that was just
Speaker 1: just like a writing on the wall. But the one
Speaker 1: thing that I think that really stood out to me,
Speaker 1: especially from watching this game, and something that I'm going
Speaker 1: to be paying attention to, and how Dagonau makes adjustments
Speaker 1: because he's gonna have to. And it concerns me when
Speaker 1: I look at Okac they don't have legit back. You know,
Speaker 1: guys that play with their back to the basket. It
Speaker 1: feels like every single one of them has to play
Speaker 1: straight up, face up basketball, regardless of on an ISO
Speaker 1: or if it's pick and roll play, pick and pop play,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. It never feels like the Indiana Pacers
Speaker 1: has ever been put in a position or a situation
Speaker 1: where OKAC is backing down their players into the paint
Speaker 1: or below right, it's got to be like a face
Speaker 1: up situation. And where I want to see OKAC make
Speaker 1: their adjustment is to your point what we were talking
Speaker 1: about earlier, moving and cutting towards the basket. When Caruso
Speaker 1: is moving towards the basket and getting those you know,
Speaker 1: he chips and cuts down and gives space where if
Speaker 1: SGAs is coming down that lane, coming down that side
Speaker 1: and on the opposite end, here comes Caruso, there's an
Speaker 1: opportunity for Sga to to make a legit pass, or
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity for Jadab to make a legit pass.
Speaker 1: Dork Cruso, Holme, Grins, whoever is going to be out
Speaker 1: there with those guys. They have got to move north south,
Speaker 1: the east west. Thing can only play so long because
Speaker 1: at some point the Indiana Pacers will adjust. And it's
Speaker 1: going back to what I was saying, before with the
Speaker 1: propensity to shoot the three, not in volume, but out
Speaker 1: of necessity because they feel like that's all that's necessary,
Speaker 1: and maybe out of confidence they think that they can
Speaker 1: make it, or long range mid long mid range jumpers.
Speaker 1: That to me doesn't suit the Oklahoma City Thunder well
Speaker 1: if they're not especially if they're not rebounding the basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think SGA does post up, so to
Speaker 2: speak for from time to time, but I think it's whatever,
Speaker 2: what is that secondary action that that is being run
Speaker 2: on the weak side or to give SGA pass lanes.
Speaker 2: But you're right in terms of home Grim and Hartenstein,
Speaker 2: they're not post up guys. The other Janleen Williams when
Speaker 2: he's in maybe he could post up a little bit,
Speaker 2: but he's also very much a perimitter type dude. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, especially with Indiana's bodies with Siakom and Turner, like,
Speaker 2: if that's even a viable option for them, I think
Speaker 2: one way or the other. Again, it's going to have
Speaker 2: to come from the guards with the wings. But I
Speaker 2: think just the aspect of trying to manufacture easy points
Speaker 2: is something that okay see did not have obviously tonight
Speaker 2: and hasn't really had, I think in the course throughout
Speaker 2: the course of the series unlesser getting out on that
Speaker 2: fast break. So but still nevertheless, you know, it would
Speaker 2: kind of be the antithesis of what we're saying, forty
Speaker 2: points in the paint for okac to night to thirty,
Speaker 2: so you know, one way or another, okay, see, still
Speaker 2: getting in and getting into the lane and getting getting
Speaker 2: points in the paint, but maybe not in the same
Speaker 2: form or fashion that that that you're alluding to in
Speaker 2: terms of again like straight post ups or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: off cuts and secondary action. Maybe some fast breaks here
Speaker 2: and there as well too. But the Pacers won that
Speaker 2: battle tonight twenty two to eleven. So again a great,
Speaker 2: great performance from the Indiana Pacers, forcing a game seven
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma City two days off for Tyre's Haliburton, you know,
Speaker 2: to get that leg right and maybe be a contributor.
Speaker 2: We know that ok scrowdo is going to be rocking, rocking, rocking.
Speaker 2: So I'm very intrigued by this and you know, maybe
Speaker 2: I'll get to ultimately be right. Okay see and seven
Speaker 2: but the fact that we have a seven game series
Speaker 2: here for these two mid market teams is something that
Speaker 2: the NBA and NBA fans should be proud of. Yes,
Speaker 2: this one was a blowout and maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: of a snoozer, but we are now getting a Game seven,
Speaker 2: and as you litert earlier in the show, we just
Speaker 2: hope it's going to be a good one here with
Speaker 2: everything on the line and everybody, everybody on all these
Speaker 2: teams banged up to some degree, but just continuously a
Speaker 2: gutty performance here by Halliburton and the rest is Indiana
Speaker 2: Pacers Ball Club.
Speaker 1: What are you hoping for? Just two quick points, the
Speaker 1: two things that you're hoping for for this game seven?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it just said it, man. I
Speaker 2: just I want to see good basketball, right, I'd love
Speaker 2: to see mistake free basketball that keeps it keeps the
Speaker 2: game tight, and really just can the players on the
Speaker 2: floor decide it that That to me is more than
Speaker 2: anything else. I don't need no referees getting involved. I
Speaker 2: don't want to you know, a crap ton of like
Speaker 2: you know, sloppy turnovers, whatever, like just just ball, just
Speaker 2: who That's what I want to see and see how
Speaker 2: who actually comes out of it. Do the Pacers crove
Speaker 2: literally everybody the entire world wrong and get this done
Speaker 2: with their backs against the wall again on the road,
Speaker 2: hobbled star like all the narratives are in this favor
Speaker 2: right now and again, can okay see this very very
Speaker 2: young basketball team capture their first championship that a lot
Speaker 2: of things, A lot of people think will be the
Speaker 2: first of many if they actually get it done. But
Speaker 2: the Spacers team, man, they are, they are. They are
Speaker 2: tough as hell. Brother, like, I have so much respect
Speaker 2: I can no longer doubt you know, Hallibert and and
Speaker 2: hand his crew and again shout out again to Carla
Speaker 2: man win or lose. What coaching performance he has done
Speaker 2: this masterful playoffs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I want this to be a close
Speaker 1: uh you know, uh Game seven, you know. But I
Speaker 1: also want it with both teams playing at the peak
Speaker 1: of their abilities. When I say peak, I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about what's got them to the dance, what's brought them here.
Speaker 1: I want to see the Indiana Pacers push the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City Thunder defense to the limit, and I want to
Speaker 1: see the Oklahoma City Thunder push the Indiana Pacers offense,
Speaker 1: you know, to the limit. I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a clean game because I think both teams
Speaker 1: are going to turn the ball over. I think both
Speaker 1: teams are going to play neurrous basketball. But but with
Speaker 1: that being said, shaw, I want to see, you know,
Speaker 1: the guys who you know made us fall in love
Speaker 1: with these that this NBA Finals all step up and
Speaker 1: do something, have a moment. Like there's so many opportunities
Speaker 1: for each and every single one of these guys on
Speaker 1: the basketball court that has participated in the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: to have a moment in Game seven. So the TJ.
Speaker 1: McConnell's as they Heartenstein's, even the chet holme Grens as
Speaker 1: bad as he played, this is an opportunity for him
Speaker 1: to have a moment, a block, you know, a three, whatever,
Speaker 1: but he can have a moment in this There will
Speaker 1: be opportunities there, and it's just a question of whether
Speaker 1: or not they're going to make sure that they keep
Speaker 1: their heads, you know, on tilt and be able to
Speaker 1: execute when it matters the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, both teams have pressure. It's NBA Championship, right,
Speaker 2: everything is on the line here. But OKAYC with the
Speaker 2: home court advantage obviously having gone up in this series
Speaker 2: and had any chance to close out tonight and not
Speaker 2: doing it, all the pressure really is on them, and
Speaker 2: so I think Indiana's not playing with house money, but
Speaker 2: they can play me a whole little bit more. Labooserum like,
Speaker 2: all right, man, no one expects this to be here.
Speaker 2: We'll do let's get it done.
Speaker 1: This is what we were afraid of. This is what
Speaker 1: I say afraid of. But this is what I was
Speaker 1: afraid of for the Oklahoma City Thunder in the sense that,
Speaker 1: you know, this was a game that I really think
Speaker 1: it would have been better suited that you go out
Speaker 1: there and you just you compete and you play the
Speaker 1: kind of basketball that gives you. It gives you an opportunity,
Speaker 1: it gives you a chance, puts the pressure on the
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers to have to execute in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: execute plays down the stretch. They didn't, you know, the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder didn't do that. They did not give
Speaker 1: themselves a chance. And if nothing else, by losing the
Speaker 1: way that they lost, it gave more confidence for the
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers to basically walk into this game seven knowing
Speaker 1: that the pressure is all on OKAC no matter how
Speaker 1: much people want to cut it and slice it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it will even say that Oklahoma City's Thunder is still
Speaker 1: the better team. Whatever, the fact of the matter is,
Speaker 1: you've got to close out. And we've seen this before
Speaker 1: where when you had your opportunities to to to shut
Speaker 1: a team down, you don't do it. As they were
Speaker 1: will say Warriors and the Cleveland Cavaliers. This is not
Speaker 1: a situation that you want to take lightly. No matter
Speaker 1: how you smart and intelligent a basketball team can be.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't handle your business. You leave the
Speaker 1: door open. And a team like the Indiana Pacers, who
Speaker 1: have the offensive fire power to put a team like
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City Thunder on its heels when you had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to shut them down, could very well do
Speaker 1: you in in a Game seven situation on your home court.
Speaker 2: We'll see brother Game seven on Sunday. It looks like
Speaker 2: we'll have to do this live situation yet again. See
Speaker 2: who will actually capture the NBA Championship. And there's still
Speaker 2: so much going on around the NBA. Trades happened that
Speaker 2: we haven't even discussed yet.
Speaker 1: So he and a team sale that it has the tilted.
Speaker 2: And you know, Guy Jabai was rocking with us a
Speaker 2: little bit earlier on on the stream too. You shout
Speaker 2: out to the Lakers Man the ten billion dollar sale.
Speaker 2: But we'll get to that at at another point time.
Speaker 1: That's probably why he hit on the show right now.
Speaker 1: He's probably he's trying to run down to see if
Speaker 1: you can collect the check.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Man, I can't wait. Man, Game seven on
Speaker 2: a Sunday, y'all, make sure you stay tapped in Man.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. Once again, Man, we appreciate everybody for hopping
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Speaker 1: this Game seven wrap up for the baseline, Cali warren Shaw.
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