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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Williams sixteen points, throws it away. Haliburton comes out

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<v Speaker 1>with a cross court see ya, come fin a slam.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the baseline discussing the hot button topics of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA. Welcome everybody or two to the baseline. Calie

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<v Speaker 1>Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. It

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<v Speaker 1>is our go live, our live version wrap up of

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<v Speaker 1>Game six of the NBA Finals. Back in the fold

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<v Speaker 1>as always, And yeah, we just witnessed what we call

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<v Speaker 1>is a molly woppin of the Oklahoma City Thunder as

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<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers even up the series three to three.

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<v Speaker 1>That means that we will have a Game seven. And okay,

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<v Speaker 1>see alongside him. You know, I gotta roll with my

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<v Speaker 1>right hand man, brother from another mother, mister Warshaw ripping

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<v Speaker 1>out of Fort Laudier, Florida was good, mister Shaw. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you giving us a little glimpse into the fervor

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<v Speaker 1>that took place in Indiana. The Siam posterization gives us

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<v Speaker 1>a good Juneteenth field to level of a level of

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<v Speaker 1>jubilants I'm sure is emanating out there in Indiana, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, something like that, right, I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>the defining moment. I think of that second half and

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<v Speaker 2>the proverboial nail in the coffin early on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for this game here siakam, you know with that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>mantras thunderous dunk and then even before the half ends,

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<v Speaker 2>he hits a fat away jumper, you know, to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of push lead up to twenty four. So the Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers dominate this game, not start to finish because they

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<v Speaker 2>were down here to start at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>first quarter. But you know, once the subs came in, TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>McConnell will be topping kind of do their thing. Yet again,

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<v Speaker 2>here are a wild or sorry not a wild. A

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<v Speaker 2>very very slow start start the third quarter for both teams,

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<v Speaker 2>but Indiana ends up just taking this thing kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going away. Man, a miraculous, miraculous game, I think from

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<v Speaker 2>their lens, especially going into it with a hobbled Tarre's

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<v Speaker 2>halliburry and okay, see not getting it done here despite

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<v Speaker 2>being on the road. I get it. But man, with

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<v Speaker 2>Halliburton down like this, really really surprising that they got

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<v Speaker 2>whooped with they did here on the road or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just would have expected a different outcome. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if Okay, so lost, I just think they were gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go down like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just gonna keep it one hundred. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a pissport performance by the Oklahoma City Thunder. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>no getting around it. And I'm not saying this because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to, you know, drum up any level of

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<v Speaker 1>controversy or Listen, you and I have had many episodes

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<v Speaker 1>and we have spoken very highly about the Oklahoma City Thunder. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we also have to recognize that it's because of how

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<v Speaker 1>well they've played wire to wire that when you see

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<v Speaker 1>performances like this, it just really makes you wonder, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what were they thinking when they got out there onto

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball court. Now I could put on my conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory hat and say, you know what, they just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like they didn't have it and they just I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>packed it in. But it's almost like they had their

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<v Speaker 1>mind made up. They're going to try to finish this

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<v Speaker 1>out in Okay, see, even if it is a Game seven.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I tell you shall, when I see the

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<v Speaker 1>level of I don't know, attention to detail, when I

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<v Speaker 1>see the level of effort that's being played, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>questioning a team saying that they're dogging it. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying is is when they are mentally checked out and

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<v Speaker 1>the opposing team sees that and they prey on that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's your responsibility to at least instill a level of

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that maybe you didn't come with your A effort

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<v Speaker 1>and thus if you do play your A game, you

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<v Speaker 1>still don't have a chance, even if it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a Game seven. What I saw from this is

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<v Speaker 1>you left the gate wide open because to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>tyree'se Haliburton was not one hundred percent, but TJ McConnell,

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<v Speaker 1>yet again, in this series, has been a difference maker.

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<v Speaker 1>The role players for the Indiana Pacers have been difference makers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have been increasingly becoming X factors as they

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<v Speaker 1>get further and further into the series, to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where I would not be surprised if Rick Carlip not

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<v Speaker 1>in a level of desperation, but in the level of

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<v Speaker 1>strategy deploys. You know that Halliburton McConnell's thing that they

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<v Speaker 1>were afraid of doing throughout the course of this finals

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<v Speaker 1>that he deployed is that full tilt because he recognizes

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<v Speaker 1>that McConnell actually sees matchup matchups that favor him because

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<v Speaker 1>of the lack of attention to detail by the OKAC

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<v Speaker 1>Thunder backcourt defense. And I'm even putting that on Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Caruso at times has not been able to contain TJ

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<v Speaker 1>McConnell when he's been matched up with him. SGA poor

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<v Speaker 1>defensive performance. Galen Williams has his problems. He's too he's

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<v Speaker 1>too big for a guy like McConnell who will get

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<v Speaker 1>past him. So this is a problem. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>if the OKAC Thunder collectively defensively gets their mind right, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but if this it was an indication that this Game

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<v Speaker 1>seven looks like what the Indiana Pacers are gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>to the Okay see Thunder defense. Okay, see Thunder really

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<v Speaker 1>do need to look at what they're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>do offensively because they've not been consistent offensively, but they

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<v Speaker 1>had been consistent defensively for the most part. And we

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<v Speaker 1>just aw just literally just that defense is collapse, That

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<v Speaker 1>that defense was a no show. There was no level

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<v Speaker 1>of aggression. I don't know if they're tired or did again.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, they could have just been checking out

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<v Speaker 1>and not you know, thinking that, hey, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just let we'll take our chances with the game seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just not I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can take chances with the game seven.

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<v Speaker 1>You no, I but that's what I'm saying, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>I it's it's to me, that's a level of arrogance

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<v Speaker 1>if you think that you are gonna be like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think they got I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I need they be And I know, like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want that to happen. You don't want that to

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<v Speaker 2>be the case is like, oh, well, you're just gonna whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we saw that happen like what was it

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<v Speaker 2>in the Rockets? Uh? And the Warrior series. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to say is like they took they clearly took a

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<v Speaker 2>game off and that was early in the playoffs or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever because they just felt ahead they'd be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get it done and the end up going seven games. Uh. This,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's what happened here. I think what

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<v Speaker 2>ended up happening on the Indiana side is that they

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<v Speaker 2>really they played for their lives and they started to

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<v Speaker 2>force turnal. They set doubles at SGA that we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>really seen as much in this series, especially when Sja

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<v Speaker 2>tries to do if yes, she turns his back, usually

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<v Speaker 2>he's facing somebody's facing them hard and he's still he

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<v Speaker 2>may be dancing, but he's straight on with the basket.

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<v Speaker 2>He turned his back a little bit almost likely, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if he was trying to pull us or to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like the smithy and kind of go back,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the end it would send help anytime that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that is that was forcing toroneovers the Pacers

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<v Speaker 2>defense of this in this game, specifically in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the second quarter, as you alluded to, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>McConnell and Topping kind of in the game in they

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<v Speaker 2>just bring another level of energy. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what more we can say about Halliburt and just being

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<v Speaker 2>a leader, stepping out into this space, going out there

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<v Speaker 2>literally on one leg, and that what that does for

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<v Speaker 2>the mantra and the energy of your team. And while

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't get off to that great start, I think

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<v Speaker 2>him just being out there as the leader showed so

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<v Speaker 2>much for them and okay, see was not on their

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<v Speaker 2>best game. And I just yes, they're young, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what the Broad was saying that Gonnall keep saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're the youngest team, the youngest team or the second

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<v Speaker 2>youngest team ever even to make it to the NBA Finals.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not not utilizing that as an excuse. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give all the credit to Indiana here and

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<v Speaker 2>not like okay see didn't know what to do or

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't know how to play, like they got whooked.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Indiana was really playing for their lives, and

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<v Speaker 2>we saw something from this Pacers team that by now

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<v Speaker 2>we should probably expect and be used to. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think you had called it. You said okay see in five,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said that was the right call. I still

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<v Speaker 2>picked okay in seven and seven just because I was

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<v Speaker 2>like this, the Nan team has something that we cannot quantify,

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<v Speaker 2>and we saw that not be quantified here tonight in

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<v Speaker 2>the effort that they showed here, especially from the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of that first quarter all the way out for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of this game.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to touch on something that Jesus mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>about Tyrese Haliburton, and it's what I think we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a couple of times over or at least

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<v Speaker 1>what my expectations are about Tyrese Haliburton, because the narrative

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<v Speaker 1>has been Tyree's Halleton has got to be that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to be hitting no shots, this, that, and

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<v Speaker 1>the third. No, Tyrese Haliburton doesn't have to be that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy. I don't even think Tyre's Haliburton ever

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<v Speaker 1>had to be that person. But the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>has that a part of his game, and I've said

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<v Speaker 1>this time and time again, is a great asset because

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<v Speaker 1>it takes the pressure off of those role players who

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<v Speaker 1>when given that opportunity in time to shine, they may

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to handle it, with the exception of

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<v Speaker 1>TJ McConnell, but in a situation like this, right in

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<v Speaker 1>a game like this, it's very easy for the Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Carlisles of the world, for an Indiana Pacers team that

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<v Speaker 1>has gotten this far to say, you know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're hobbled, Tyrese, but take us to the Promised Land.

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't fall for that, he didn't bite on that.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't out there to be a bait either, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was out there to help facilitate and get guys

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<v Speaker 1>where they needed to be to maximize great shot opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>that the Indiana Pacers made good on in a critical

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<v Speaker 1>win or go home or lose, you know, lose all

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<v Speaker 1>situation with the Pacers, right, And if you're the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>City thunder, while your whole intent defensively was to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go after the wounded animal, the miscalculation was not respecting

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that Tyrese Haliburton is a floor general. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a floor He's a legitimate for I will. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make the argument Shaw, and I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sound crazy, but I want people to really understand

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm coming from. Tyrese Halliburton, to me, exhibits more

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<v Speaker 1>floor general general qualities than sg A in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that he can distribute the basketball. He can also make

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<v Speaker 1>critical shots down the stretch. And while it's great that

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<v Speaker 1>SGA can score thirty two points per game, you clearly

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<v Speaker 1>saw the difference in the demeanor and the mentality in

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<v Speaker 1>the tone of the expectations of what is asked of

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<v Speaker 1>your team. If on a pivot, SGA didn't need to

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<v Speaker 1>have to take so many shots, he could have been

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<v Speaker 1>a great distributor or could put easily put the ball

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<v Speaker 1>in the hands of other guys who go out there

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<v Speaker 1>and make plays. But instead OKAC is watching their MVP

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<v Speaker 1>player go out there make bad decisions with the basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>turning the basketball over, bad shots, selection things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point, you, as SGA, you have to stop

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and you have to say, am I helping the team?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I hurting the team? Now? This is just one

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<v Speaker 1>particular game. And again I'm not trying to play up

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<v Speaker 1>the controversy that SGA is not deserving of being the

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<v Speaker 1>of it in totality what makes the OKC Thunder the

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out a way to pivot and somehow

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<v Speaker 1>in the last forty eight hours, when everything has been

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<v Speaker 1>about the calf strain and whether or not Tyrese Haliburton

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be able to come out there and

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<v Speaker 1>be on the basketball court, this wasn't a Willis Reed moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But you saw leadership qualities and a guy who made

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<v Speaker 1>the great sacrifice play. He didn't fall for the trap

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<v Speaker 1>and make bad decisions and feel like he's got to

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<v Speaker 1>teammates and his teammates and his role players, everybody straight

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<v Speaker 1>through helped make him a great player, make it easy

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<v Speaker 1>for him to help this Indiana Pacers team do what

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<v Speaker 1>they did to Oklahoma City Thunder. And this, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>shaw is what makes the Indiana Pacers dangerous going into

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<v Speaker 1>Game seven because now it opens up these things that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't think were I want to say, tangible, but

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<v Speaker 1>were amenable given the circumstances because Okac had been in

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<v Speaker 1>front of most of those things. They had a counter

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<v Speaker 1>for some of these things you cannot counter When you

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<v Speaker 1>even don't know whether or not they're gonna need Haliburton,

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<v Speaker 1>you never know Haliburt might actually step up and have

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<v Speaker 1>one of those performances that he had back in Game

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really interesting how quiet it gets, right

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<v Speaker 2>because he had fourteen points and five assists in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three minutes, right, and obviously he wasn't really needed, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>play any minutes in the fourth quarter, so all the

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<v Speaker 2>noise around Halliburt and what he needs to do and

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<v Speaker 2>how he needs to do it is kind of muted

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<v Speaker 2>now as a result of this win. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>to your point, it's because everybody was already uplifted just

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<v Speaker 2>by the virtue of him being on the court, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Obi Toppin had an Obi Toppin type game and

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<v Speaker 2>McConnell does McConnell like things as well too. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get a whole lot up for Mathren, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>some other guys. It got a couple of three from

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<v Speaker 2>Venture for tonight as well, but outside of that, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just the way Topping and McConnell play that uplifted

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<v Speaker 2>this bench nim hard with some timely shots as well. Siakam,

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<v Speaker 2>I think has been solid throughout the course of the series.

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<v Speaker 2>That not a great scoring night wasn't needed obviously, as

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of lowed the doors off them in the

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<v Speaker 2>second half, and those are the things that were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like all in Indiana's favor, like it just it

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<v Speaker 2>was their night. And as you alluded to with SGA,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets all of the credit. He's not necessarily an

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<v Speaker 2>Aligned superstar in many ways and nearly not in the

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<v Speaker 2>leagues align at Harry's Halliburton is and maybe Haliburt doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the same cachet, right, but and she did have

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<v Speaker 2>a turnoverside. And again that's where again you have to

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<v Speaker 2>credit carl out in the defensive scheme, they said. The

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast even indicated Nemhart is not picking him up ninety

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<v Speaker 2>four feet now, Hey, we're picking him up a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit above the break, trying to save them Harzlake, so

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<v Speaker 2>that he can't contribute on the offensive side. There were

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<v Speaker 2>subtle differences in tonight's game and tonight's attack for the

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Pacers. Yes, with their season on the line, but

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<v Speaker 2>they tried some things there that seem to frustrate. Okay, see,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think we can go another minute without

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how batchit Holmgrant has looked at various parts

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<v Speaker 2>of this series. Miles Turner, I wouldn't say, is having

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing series statistically himself, but the floor game and

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<v Speaker 2>the head games he seems to be playing, which at

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<v Speaker 2>Holmgren that is that has been masterful. I get by

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<v Speaker 2>Miles Turner when they're on the floor and and old

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<v Speaker 2>bit just looks lost, turns to block a shot on

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<v Speaker 2>multiple occasions, frustrated. It's trying to do too much off

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<v Speaker 2>the bounce. I have to create a Myles Turner. While

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<v Speaker 2>he shot one of nine and had three points to

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<v Speaker 2>night and two blocks, he is in Homeward's head. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's something Chat if they are going to win game

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<v Speaker 2>seven he has to figure out because you can't say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the other one's gonna give you another forty again, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that was great, but you think you can't rely on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Chit has to figure out a way to get involved

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<v Speaker 2>in this series.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so Sarl, let's go ahead and pivot to that.

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<v Speaker 1>To that point, right, the Oklahoma City Thunder were eight

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty from three. Okay, and at some particular point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I don't know. Well, now we can't because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a game seven, so there's there's no wiggle room here.

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<v Speaker 1>But at some point, if if I'm daggonall, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at my team and I gotta be like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we jacking up threes. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't shoot the three. If it's available and it's

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<v Speaker 1>within the flow of what your offense is supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing. I got no problem with it. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but nothing about the Oklahoma City Thunder offensive

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<v Speaker 1>scheme shows a level of aggressiveness of attacking a team that, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>while they have stepped up defensively in this finals, it

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<v Speaker 1>still doesn't mass the fact that you're getting foul calls,

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting opportunities to get to the free throw line,

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<v Speaker 1>but yet you bail out the other team by jacking

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<v Speaker 1>up threes that you're not even making. The threes that

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<v Speaker 1>have been hit in the last two games have been

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<v Speaker 1>by Wiggins. You're what is it, your third deep bench player, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not coming from Jamen Williams. It's not coming from

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of guys with this level of consistency. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell, I have to stop you only from the lines

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<v Speaker 2>because I think you can't always look at just the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom line number right, And with okay, see in totality,

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<v Speaker 2>did they shoot thirty threes, Well, how many those threes

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<v Speaker 2>came after the game was out of hand. So they

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<v Speaker 2>shot ten threes in the fourth quarter when the game

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<v Speaker 2>was done. So at the end of the day, they

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<v Speaker 2>shot twenty threes in the first three quarters, one of

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<v Speaker 2>eleven in the first half. Not great, right, They're not

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<v Speaker 2>a great three point shooting team. They must ride off momentum,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think that was a huge factor in

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<v Speaker 2>their overall offensive a tank. I think it was more

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<v Speaker 2>of the turtovers than they'll shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand what you're saying, Shaw, but let me slightly

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<v Speaker 1>now push back to you on this point. I am

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the timing of or the execution of the shots.

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<v Speaker 1>If what you're telling me is is the Pacers are

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<v Speaker 1>forcing the Oklahoma City Thunder to shoot threes. Forget the number.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying you're forcing them to shoot threes rather

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<v Speaker 1>than attacking the basket. Okay, then that's one thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what's happening. That's not what's happening. The Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>City Thunder are choosing to shoot the three ball they

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<v Speaker 1>pass passing around. I don't see the level of aggressiveness

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<v Speaker 1>in attacking the Indiana Pacers, putting them on their heels

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<v Speaker 1>with a consistent amount of effort. It almost feels like

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<v Speaker 1>if the Pacers find a rhythm offensively and start pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the Thunder to where it's in their head, they seem like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to start taking shots, and let me say this,

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<v Speaker 1>let me not use just the word three. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>they're shooting the basketball rather than attacking with the basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>They're bailing out on fadeaways, they're bailing out on mid

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<v Speaker 1>range jump shots that are not particularly where they want

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<v Speaker 1>things to be, or they're just standing there watching SGA

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<v Speaker 1>try to take those shots. And I just say that

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<v Speaker 1>that's not how we've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder effectively

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<v Speaker 1>and efficiently score the basketball. That's not their way of

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<v Speaker 1>scoring the basketball. And so maybe this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be concerned about when dealing with the

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<v Speaker 1>team that's applying the kind of pressure that the Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>Pacers are applying. Because this is going all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to Game one show. I said this, if the

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<v Speaker 1>game becomes a low scoring affair when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacers and the Thunder, I feel that the Thunder

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<v Speaker 1>have the better advantage because they're better efficiently scoring the

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<v Speaker 1>basketball than the Pacers. However, if the Thunder are conceding

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<v Speaker 1>additional shots, if they're conceding opportunities for the Pacers to

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<v Speaker 1>keep going at them, keep going at them. Now, you're

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<v Speaker 1>forcing the Oklahoma City Thunder to actually make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those misses, right, and every time that they continue

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<v Speaker 1>to miss and don't stop the team on the other end,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes anywhere between a four five point swing that

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<v Speaker 1>now pushes things further behind for them, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>see them having to exhaust so much effort in them

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<v Speaker 1>coming back into games, staying in games, and all that

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<v Speaker 1>other kind of stuff. And to me, that's not where

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be if you're an Oklahoma City Thunder.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just highlighting the fact that the three point

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<v Speaker 1>shot to me, seems to always be their bailout mechanism

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<v Speaker 1>rather than something that is executed within strategy and consistency.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you can't jump back and forth. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean because like I said, if you're worried about the

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<v Speaker 2>quality of shots after getting I can I can maybe

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<v Speaker 2>go with you that on there. I think Jalen Williams

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<v Speaker 2>J Dubb didn't attack in the same way that we

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<v Speaker 2>saw obviously in the previous game and getting downhill and

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<v Speaker 2>getting into the teeth of the defense as you say

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, that wasn't there. But again, the three

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<v Speaker 2>point shots specifically was not the issue. They were only

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<v Speaker 2>one of eleven going into the half and they were

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<v Speaker 2>still down twenty points, So it's not like they shot

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five threes in the first half. It was eleven shots.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't make any, and that's just I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just how that goes sometimes. And then they end up

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<v Speaker 2>going five to ten in the fourth quarter when the

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<v Speaker 2>game is out of hand. So to me, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's not necessarily a moot point, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the quality of shots and who's being

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive and who's getting the shots is something that does

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<v Speaker 2>need to take into account, which brings me back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Jets standpoint as well too, Cruso not really being

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<v Speaker 2>able to be effective offensively in the end, It is

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<v Speaker 2>not worried about him from the perimeter. Cruso's had some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty robust scoring games in this series, twenty points and

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<v Speaker 2>hitting some threes here and there. That just wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>case tonight. I I we've said in this series, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we thought okay SE's defense was the better of the

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<v Speaker 2>two defenses. Indiana's defense is showing to be not maybe

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<v Speaker 2>just as formidable, pretty damn formidable in its own sales though.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did say I thought Indiana's bench scoring was

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<v Speaker 2>better than okay Sees bench scoring. Okay Sees bench scoring

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<v Speaker 2>often comes off of the turnovers that the entirety of

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<v Speaker 2>that defense ultimately creates. So now if you have Topen

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<v Speaker 2>and McConnell and Mathern in certain points of the series

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<v Speaker 2>playing decent to high level defense and still giving that

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<v Speaker 2>offensive output as we see Indiana's having that be able

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<v Speaker 2>to oscillate, you know, throughout the couch to Storty. Some

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<v Speaker 2>guys are on one night. Mccaus been pretty consistent topping

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of nights, math Aron another night. That to

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<v Speaker 2>me is something that Okay see is having a hard

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<v Speaker 2>time match because they are top heavy when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the scorers, especially if Caruso is not going to

417
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<v Speaker 2>have an explosive scoring game off the bench while still

418
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<v Speaker 2>giving you positive defense. Harnstein not really a fat offensively

419
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<v Speaker 2>in this series at to the stage. So right now,

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<v Speaker 2>if if Wiggins or Wallace are not getting hot, that's

421
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<v Speaker 2>where okay c' is really going to struggle with their

422
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<v Speaker 2>with their scoring and scoring in general.

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<v Speaker 1>So so let me ask you this question, then, Shaw,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're the if you're Okay C right, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you what do you do right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What what exactly is it that you do to open

428
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<v Speaker 1>things up for check Holmgren, who to me seems like

429
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<v Speaker 1>the only time he is effective is if he's he's

430
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<v Speaker 1>he's shooting the three, not you know, is he gonna

431
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<v Speaker 1>give you anything for rebounding? Is he going to give

432
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<v Speaker 1>you anything for uh, you know, second chance opportunities? Isaiah Hartenstein,

433
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<v Speaker 1>same same thing, right, Like, what what are we saying

434
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<v Speaker 1>needs to happen in order for them to be a

435
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<v Speaker 1>factor in a game seven, so to speak?

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<v Speaker 2>I think offensively, So what out looking at like second

437
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<v Speaker 2>spectrum and all those you know, great data analysis serving sites.

438
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<v Speaker 2>I think there's the aspect of actually playing some pick

439
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<v Speaker 2>and roll and maybe even some inverted pick and roll

440
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<v Speaker 2>with both Chad, J Dubb and Sga some combination of

441
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<v Speaker 2>those three guys on a regular basis, what we often

442
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<v Speaker 2>see is a lot of swing swing, and then J

443
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<v Speaker 2>Dubb or SGA is kind of going one on one.

444
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<v Speaker 2>SJA may look for a pick and roll and then

445
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<v Speaker 2>just try to break his guy down. But they's not

446
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pick and pop or pick and and

447
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<v Speaker 2>and kind of like throw it to the role man,

448
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<v Speaker 2>you know, okay sees offense. I think you see some

449
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<v Speaker 2>of that with Hartenstein, but maybe some of the dribble handoffs.

450
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<v Speaker 2>When Check gets into trouble and he drives and he

451
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<v Speaker 2>gets bottled up, then he's looking to kind of make

452
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<v Speaker 2>a pass. He did do that in the first half

453
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<v Speaker 2>where he tried to drive turn or shut him down.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Then he kind of did a bailout to Cruso. Crusoe

455
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<v Speaker 2>drive drove, but Turner got back and blocked the shot.

456
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<v Speaker 2>But they just need more movement in the totality of

457
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<v Speaker 2>their offense, and I think in some ways that's where

458
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<v Speaker 2>even your Kesa Wallace is and guys like that can

459
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<v Speaker 2>get some get some catches off secondary action. But if

460
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<v Speaker 2>they do become too stagnant or two balld dominant with

461
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<v Speaker 2>either one of their two great All Stars and SGA

462
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<v Speaker 2>and Jalen Williams, that's where things can get kind of

463
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<v Speaker 2>bogged down, especially if the defense, like the Indiana's defense,

464
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<v Speaker 2>is going to be as active as they are and

465
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<v Speaker 2>they're like kind of sitting and waiting on some of

466
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<v Speaker 2>those actions. They're almost baiting them in the same way

467
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<v Speaker 2>that okay okay see has been baiting you know, other

468
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<v Speaker 2>teams into this playoffs. I think Carlisle's done a great

469
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<v Speaker 2>and masterful job and trying to kind of force in

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<v Speaker 2>some ways of what you're saying earlier to get to

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<v Speaker 2>to reduce the quality of okay See shots or reduce

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<v Speaker 2>them to more one on one action where they feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, maybe we can actually live with this because

474
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<v Speaker 2>our depth offensively is better than their depth offensively as

475
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<v Speaker 2>long as Indiana's not turning the ball over. But that's

476
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<v Speaker 2>the second part here. Turnovers have been such a big

477
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<v Speaker 2>part of his NBA Finals that we knew that was

478
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<v Speaker 2>going to be the case, but it just continues to

479
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<v Speaker 2>come up. It just continues to you know, Rear's ugly

480
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<v Speaker 2>head and okay See had just had a really really

481
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<v Speaker 2>hard time handling the balls. Like as I said, as

482
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<v Speaker 2>she with eight turnovers tonight, very uncharacteristic. And you cannot

483
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<v Speaker 2>win on the road with a turnovers from the MVP.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know, again, I'm just gonna look at

485
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<v Speaker 1>what I just saw from this particular game. It just

486
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<v Speaker 1>didn't look like they were prepared, right Like, even when

487
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<v Speaker 1>they were pivoting to try to move the ball a

488
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<v Speaker 1>little bit more, Hartenstein dropped dropped the sure five pass

489
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<v Speaker 1>cut into the basket because he wasn't ready for the pass.

490
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<v Speaker 1>Because I think he was just basically expecting SGA to

491
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<v Speaker 1>take up a shot, right. J Dubb made a pass

492
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<v Speaker 1>I believe to check homebring he couldn't handle the pass right,

493
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<v Speaker 1>because I think they were basically waiting, you know, for

494
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<v Speaker 1>Jadeub to go and do a little pick and pop

495
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<v Speaker 1>situation or whatever, the ISO pop situation right, And I

496
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<v Speaker 1>think you know a lot of the points that you

497
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<v Speaker 1>made solid points. I think what I'm getting at is

498
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<v Speaker 1>is that these guys, right, they need to be better

499
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<v Speaker 1>or about how they want to attack the Indiana Pacers,

500
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<v Speaker 1>because it seems like if the intent is you want

501
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<v Speaker 1>to sit and wait and watch, and if that's what

502
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<v Speaker 1>you want to do, then be all in about doing that.

503
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<v Speaker 1>If you are, you know, if you've got an SGA

504
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<v Speaker 1>and you got a JDub, that means though that the

505
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<v Speaker 1>rest of them have to assimulate and go in and

506
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<v Speaker 1>attack and do the necessary things that I think we

507
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<v Speaker 1>have seen them do throughout the course of this series.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as if anything is completely changed in the

509
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<v Speaker 1>sense that if OKAC is going to be like this,

510
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<v Speaker 1>and Carlisle has countered that OKC has figured out a

511
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<v Speaker 1>way to counter it back, or at least make them

512
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<v Speaker 1>pay for that, but in this particular game, it didn't

513
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<v Speaker 1>look like they were prepared for anything at all, right,

514
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<v Speaker 1>not even prepared to have a contingency to whatever it

515
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<v Speaker 1>was that was taking place in their struggles offensively.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I can I go back to an earlier point

517
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<v Speaker 2>you said, though, because as you're saying that, it brings

518
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<v Speaker 2>me to maybe one thing when we talk about, Okay,

519
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<v Speaker 2>Cee's overall mindset, maybe subconsciously, maybe we're not there. We're

520
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<v Speaker 2>not in the locker room. We can't say this. We

521
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<v Speaker 2>don't we're not psychologists, but there could be the aspect

522
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<v Speaker 2>right of, hey, how he's down. We should be able

523
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<v Speaker 2>to get these boys tonight, right, and and maybe they

524
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<v Speaker 2>tilt their eye off off the ball a little bit,

525
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<v Speaker 2>just figured it like, Okay, there's no way this team

526
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<v Speaker 2>is going to be able to beat us in the

527
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<v Speaker 2>way that we are with their star player having a

528
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<v Speaker 2>calf strain, Like there's just like there's no way that

529
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<v Speaker 2>that should be the case. And they were in for

530
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<v Speaker 2>obviously a route a waking and surprise. But the other

531
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<v Speaker 2>part of this too is Okay, see, offensively, they do

532
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<v Speaker 2>need to feel figure out a way to be better

533
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<v Speaker 2>when their defense is not turning their not turning into

534
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<v Speaker 2>offense for them. If they're not turning you know, those

535
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<v Speaker 2>live ball turnovers, those pick sixes, as we say, all right,

536
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<v Speaker 2>how are you getting your buckets efficiently within the offensive

537
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<v Speaker 2>and the half court set. That's something that I think,

538
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<v Speaker 2>okay see has not necessarily mastered in this specific series

539
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<v Speaker 2>because they are so again ball dominant and you know

540
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<v Speaker 2>in JWN SGA, but they've been getting contributions kind of throughout.

541
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, no, Wiggins has has has had moments in

542
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<v Speaker 2>this series. We know Caruso's had moments in this series.

543
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<v Speaker 2>And both of those guys didn't really do much tonight

544
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately for them in Game six. So that's where I

545
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<v Speaker 2>thing Dagnault then needs to readjust and say, all right, well,

546
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<v Speaker 2>if we're not going to be able to force turnovers

547
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<v Speaker 2>like and again you can't predict that, like it could

548
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<v Speaker 2>be your night. All of a sudden, Dan starts throwing

549
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<v Speaker 2>the ball around and then you're you're just in better

550
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<v Speaker 2>spots and you're getting those pick sixers that we're talking about,

551
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<v Speaker 2>But you need to figure out ways like all right,

552
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<v Speaker 2>how are we going to get efficient offense and be

553
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<v Speaker 2>able to truly match what they're doing to us on

554
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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the basketball with Indiana's kind of

555
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<v Speaker 2>like pace where seven or eight guys really are capable scores.

556
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<v Speaker 2>And I think there was a one point in the

557
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<v Speaker 2>telecast same thing they said, oh, like seven guys already

558
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<v Speaker 2>have seven points tonight for for Indiana when it's really

559
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<v Speaker 2>that type of, you know, death by depth type of situation.

560
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<v Speaker 2>That's where you know, Indiana does have the advantage offensively,

561
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<v Speaker 2>but with their defense turning up the way that it

562
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.039
<v Speaker 2>has been, that's really what took them over their edge

563
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<v Speaker 2>here tonight. Twenty one turnovers for ok See to ten

564
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<v Speaker 2>for Indiana again eight by s Jay alone And I

565
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<v Speaker 2>think that's your ball game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, CALLI weren't y'all basedline NBA podcast. I

567
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<v Speaker 1>just got a couple more points in regards to be

568
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<v Speaker 1>it's something that you just mentioned. It just made me

569
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<v Speaker 1>kind of think about this. You know, this series, Shaw

570
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<v Speaker 1>has shown us different facets or different phase faces of

571
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<v Speaker 1>each of these teams. Specifically, one team obviously has figured

572
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<v Speaker 1>out a way to somewhat change its face when necessary

573
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<v Speaker 1>in order for it to continue to thrive and stay

574
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<v Speaker 1>in the series. Right. The other team has had the

575
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<v Speaker 1>luxury of always falling back to what you're saying. Because

576
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>they've been so great defensively and because they have a

577
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<v Speaker 1>propensity to get teams to turn the ball over. This

578
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>was one of those games in which even though they

579
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<v Speaker 1>got some turnovers, it didn't hurt the Indiana Pacers. The

580
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<v Speaker 1>Indiana Pacers, however, turned okay See over and it hurt

581
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<v Speaker 1>Okay See. More importantly, it was the timing of the turnovers.

582
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<v Speaker 1>Even when Oka See was trying to make something of

583
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<v Speaker 1>a run, a semblance of a run, Indiana got them

584
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<v Speaker 1>to turn the ball over and it basically jacked the

585
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<v Speaker 1>lead back up again. You know that third quarter a

586
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<v Speaker 1>buzzer beater by Shepherd to boost it to a thirty

587
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.599
<v Speaker 1>point lead. I mean, like all of that was just

588
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<v Speaker 1>just like a writing on the wall. But the one

589
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<v Speaker 1>thing that I think that really stood out to me,

590
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<v Speaker 1>especially from watching this game, and something that I'm going

591
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<v Speaker 1>to be paying attention to, and how Dagonau makes adjustments

592
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>because he's gonna have to. And it concerns me when

593
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<v Speaker 1>I look at Okac they don't have legit back. You know,

594
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>guys that play with their back to the basket. It

595
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.519
<v Speaker 1>feels like every single one of them has to play

596
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<v Speaker 1>straight up, face up basketball, regardless of on an ISO

597
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 1>or if it's pick and roll play, pick and pop play,

598
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. It never feels like the Indiana Pacers

599
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.079
<v Speaker 1>has ever been put in a position or a situation

600
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 1>where OKAC is backing down their players into the paint

601
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>or below right, it's got to be like a face

602
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>up situation. And where I want to see OKAC make

603
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<v Speaker 1>their adjustment is to your point what we were talking

604
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<v Speaker 1>about earlier, moving and cutting towards the basket. When Caruso

605
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 1>is moving towards the basket and getting those you know,

606
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 1>he chips and cuts down and gives space where if

607
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>SGAs is coming down that lane, coming down that side

608
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and on the opposite end, here comes Caruso, there's an

609
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>opportunity for Sga to to make a legit pass, or

610
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>there's an opportunity for Jadab to make a legit pass.

611
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Dork Cruso, Holme, Grins, whoever is going to be out

612
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 1>there with those guys. They have got to move north south,

613
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the east west. Thing can only play so long because

614
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 1>at some point the Indiana Pacers will adjust. And it's

615
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<v Speaker 1>going back to what I was saying, before with the

616
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<v Speaker 1>propensity to shoot the three, not in volume, but out

617
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<v Speaker 1>of necessity because they feel like that's all that's necessary,

618
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<v Speaker 1>and maybe out of confidence they think that they can

619
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<v Speaker 1>make it, or long range mid long mid range jumpers.

620
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<v Speaker 1>That to me doesn't suit the Oklahoma City Thunder well

621
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<v Speaker 1>if they're not especially if they're not rebounding the basketball.

622
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think SGA does post up, so to

623
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 2>speak for from time to time, but I think it's whatever,

624
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.039
<v Speaker 2>what is that secondary action that that is being run

625
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>on the weak side or to give SGA pass lanes.

626
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 2>But you're right in terms of home Grim and Hartenstein,

627
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 2>they're not post up guys. The other Janleen Williams when

628
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>he's in maybe he could post up a little bit,

629
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>but he's also very much a perimitter type dude. So

630
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, especially with Indiana's bodies with Siakom and Turner, like,

631
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>if that's even a viable option for them, I think

632
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 2>one way or the other. Again, it's going to have

633
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to come from the guards with the wings. But I

634
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>think just the aspect of trying to manufacture easy points

635
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 2>is something that okay see did not have obviously tonight

636
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 2>and hasn't really had, I think in the course throughout

637
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 2>the course of the series unlesser getting out on that

638
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>fast break. So but still nevertheless, you know, it would

639
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of be the antithesis of what we're saying, forty

640
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>points in the paint for okac to night to thirty,

641
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>so you know, one way or another, okay, see, still

642
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 2>getting in and getting into the lane and getting getting

643
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>points in the paint, but maybe not in the same

644
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>form or fashion that that that you're alluding to in

645
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>terms of again like straight post ups or whatever it is,

646
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>off cuts and secondary action. Maybe some fast breaks here

647
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and there as well too. But the Pacers won that

648
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.599
<v Speaker 2>battle tonight twenty two to eleven. So again a great,

649
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 2>great performance from the Indiana Pacers, forcing a game seven

650
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 2>in Oklahoma City two days off for Tyre's Haliburton, you know,

651
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 2>to get that leg right and maybe be a contributor.

652
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.159
<v Speaker 2>We know that ok scrowdo is going to be rocking, rocking, rocking.

653
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm very intrigued by this and you know, maybe

654
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to ultimately be right. Okay see and seven

655
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 2>but the fact that we have a seven game series

656
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>here for these two mid market teams is something that

657
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 2>the NBA and NBA fans should be proud of. Yes,

658
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.760
<v Speaker 2>this one was a blowout and maybe a little bit

659
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>of a snoozer, but we are now getting a Game seven,

660
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and as you litert earlier in the show, we just

661
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>hope it's going to be a good one here with

662
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 2>everything on the line and everybody, everybody on all these

663
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 2>teams banged up to some degree, but just continuously a

664
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>gutty performance here by Halliburton and the rest is Indiana

665
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Pacers Ball Club.

666
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.079
<v Speaker 1>What are you hoping for? Just two quick points, the

667
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>two things that you're hoping for for this game seven?

668
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it just said it, man. I

669
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 2>just I want to see good basketball, right, I'd love

670
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.039
<v Speaker 2>to see mistake free basketball that keeps it keeps the

671
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>game tight, and really just can the players on the

672
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 2>floor decide it that That to me is more than

673
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>anything else. I don't need no referees getting involved. I

674
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>don't want to you know, a crap ton of like

675
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, sloppy turnovers, whatever, like just just ball, just

676
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.760
<v Speaker 2>who That's what I want to see and see how

677
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:28.159
<v Speaker 2>who actually comes out of it. Do the Pacers crove

678
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 2>literally everybody the entire world wrong and get this done

679
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 2>with their backs against the wall again on the road,

680
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.039
<v Speaker 2>hobbled star like all the narratives are in this favor

681
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>right now and again, can okay see this very very

682
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.320
<v Speaker 2>young basketball team capture their first championship that a lot

683
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 2>of things, A lot of people think will be the

684
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>first of many if they actually get it done. But

685
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.679
<v Speaker 2>the Spacers team, man, they are, they are. They are

686
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 2>tough as hell. Brother, like, I have so much respect

687
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I can no longer doubt you know, Hallibert and and

688
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>hand his crew and again shout out again to Carla

689
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.719
<v Speaker 2>man win or lose. What coaching performance he has done

690
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>this masterful playoffs?

691
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I want this to be a close

692
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, uh Game seven, you know. But I

693
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.599
<v Speaker 1>also want it with both teams playing at the peak

694
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 1>of their abilities. When I say peak, I'm just talking

695
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>about what's got them to the dance, what's brought them here.

696
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 1>I want to see the Indiana Pacers push the Oklahoma

697
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.679
<v Speaker 1>City Thunder defense to the limit, and I want to

698
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 1>see the Oklahoma City Thunder push the Indiana Pacers offense,

699
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, to the limit. I don't think it's going

700
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>to be a clean game because I think both teams

701
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>are going to turn the ball over. I think both

702
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>teams are going to play neurrous basketball. But but with

703
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 1>that being said, shaw, I want to see, you know,

704
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the guys who you know made us fall in love

705
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 1>with these that this NBA Finals all step up and

706
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>do something, have a moment. Like there's so many opportunities

707
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>for each and every single one of these guys on

708
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.599
<v Speaker 1>the basketball court that has participated in the NBA Finals

709
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 1>to have a moment in Game seven. So the TJ.

710
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 1>McConnell's as they Heartenstein's, even the chet holme Grens as

711
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 1>bad as he played, this is an opportunity for him

712
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to have a moment, a block, you know, a three, whatever,

713
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>but he can have a moment in this There will

714
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.320
<v Speaker 1>be opportunities there, and it's just a question of whether

715
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>or not they're going to make sure that they keep

716
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>their heads, you know, on tilt and be able to

717
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 1>execute when it matters the most.

718
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, both teams have pressure. It's NBA Championship, right,

719
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 2>everything is on the line here. But OKAYC with the

720
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 2>home court advantage obviously having gone up in this series

721
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and had any chance to close out tonight and not

722
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>doing it, all the pressure really is on them, and

723
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 2>so I think Indiana's not playing with house money, but

724
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>they can play me a whole little bit more. Labooserum like,

725
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>all right, man, no one expects this to be here.

726
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>We'll do let's get it done.

727
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 1>This is what we were afraid of. This is what

728
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 1>I say afraid of. But this is what I was

729
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>afraid of for the Oklahoma City Thunder in the sense that,

730
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, this was a game that I really think

731
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it would have been better suited that you go out

732
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.800
<v Speaker 1>there and you just you compete and you play the

733
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of basketball that gives you. It gives you an opportunity,

734
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 1>it gives you a chance, puts the pressure on the

735
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Indiana Pacers to have to execute in the fourth quarter,

736
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.599
<v Speaker 1>execute plays down the stretch. They didn't, you know, the

737
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City Thunder didn't do that. They did not give

738
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>themselves a chance. And if nothing else, by losing the

739
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>way that they lost, it gave more confidence for the

740
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Indiana Pacers to basically walk into this game seven knowing

741
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 1>that the pressure is all on OKAC no matter how

742
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>much people want to cut it and slice it. And yeah,

743
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.079
<v Speaker 1>it will even say that Oklahoma City's Thunder is still

744
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the better team. Whatever, the fact of the matter is,

745
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you've got to close out. And we've seen this before

746
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 1>where when you had your opportunities to to to shut

747
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 1>a team down, you don't do it. As they were

748
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>will say Warriors and the Cleveland Cavaliers. This is not

749
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.079
<v Speaker 1>a situation that you want to take lightly. No matter

750
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.519
<v Speaker 1>how you smart and intelligent a basketball team can be.

751
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't handle your business. You leave the

752
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>door open. And a team like the Indiana Pacers, who

753
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>have the offensive fire power to put a team like

754
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City Thunder on its heels when you had

755
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to shut them down, could very well do

756
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:20.519
<v Speaker 1>you in in a Game seven situation on your home court.

757
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.679
<v Speaker 2>We'll see brother Game seven on Sunday. It looks like

758
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>we'll have to do this live situation yet again. See

759
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.119
<v Speaker 2>who will actually capture the NBA Championship. And there's still

760
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.599
<v Speaker 2>so much going on around the NBA. Trades happened that

761
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 2>we haven't even discussed yet.

762
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:39.039
<v Speaker 1>So he and a team sale that it has the tilted.

763
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 2>And you know, Guy Jabai was rocking with us a

764
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit earlier on on the stream too. You shout

765
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>out to the Lakers Man the ten billion dollar sale.

766
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.239
<v Speaker 2>But we'll get to that at at another point time.

767
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 1>That's probably why he hit on the show right now.

768
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>He's probably he's trying to run down to see if

769
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 1>you can collect the check.

770
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, Man, I can't wait. Man, Game seven on

771
00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>a Sunday, y'all, make sure you stay tapped in Man.

772
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so. Once again, Man, we appreciate everybody for hopping

773
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.239
<v Speaker 1>on board. Shout outs to our family, the nineteen Media

774
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:11.719
<v Speaker 1>group family as always man, you know, showing up, showing

775
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 1>the love a man Tyler, a man Mojo, you know,

776
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>as always Man. We appreciate the love and support. We

777
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>will be back here, same time, same bat channel for

778
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 1>this Game seven wrap up for the baseline, Cali warren Shaw.

779
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you guys, you know we do. Thanks for

780
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>popping on board with us for our Game six NBA

781
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Finals wrap up. We'll catch up with you next time.