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Speaker 2: Hey guys, Dan A here and welcome to four figure
Speaker 2: discount where this week Guy and myself we're lucky to
Speaker 2: be joined by comedian Tom witcamb to review the episode
Speaker 2: All Singing, All Dancing, the final clip show of the
Speaker 2: Golden Era, the one that showcases the many songs of
Speaker 2: the Simpsons. We covered a lot of topics, including what
Speaker 2: makes a good Simpsons song, the best Simpsons musical parodies,
Speaker 2: and so much more. Plus we also covered Tom's career
Speaker 2: and the impact that The Simpsons had on his comedy.
Speaker 2: Before we get into that, though, I just want to
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Speaker 2: sit back and enjoy our chat with Tom Wickham as
Speaker 2: we review All Singing or Dancing. Hey guys, welcome to
Speaker 2: forfigure discap of the podcast where We'll Always Paint Your Wagon.
Speaker 2: I'm Dando and I am Guy, and today we're very
Speaker 2: lucky to be joined by the one and only Tom Wickham. Tom,
Speaker 2: how are you doing, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thanks. How are you guys?
Speaker 2: Yes, doing fantastic.
Speaker 4: We're very pleased to be joined by the Don Draper
Speaker 4: of comedy. Hang on a second, happy to be joined
Speaker 4: by the Pete Campbell of comedy.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, the Don Draper, none of
Speaker 3: those allegations hold up. I don't believe that they're baseless.
Speaker 3: Those women can't be trusted.
Speaker 4: What of absolute zero Kelvin coolness? Is that what you're
Speaker 4: talking about?
Speaker 2: Tom?
Speaker 3: From the Don Draper to comedy to the Pete Campbell
Speaker 3: to comedy A rapid de escalation. I was feeling pretty good.
Speaker 4: I skipped the Lane Price stage.
Speaker 3: Yes, lay In Price, I mean tragic ending, But what
Speaker 3: a journey on the way.
Speaker 4: There, MVP, you know while he was actually there. Absolutely
Speaker 4: If you haven't watched mad Men, watch Madman otherwise you
Speaker 4: don't know what the fuck we're talking about. But the
Speaker 4: thing of it is that Tom, when he is not
Speaker 4: making us laugh with his comedy styling's on stage, is
Speaker 4: using his marketing magic to persuade us to buy things
Speaker 4: that we definitely want and yeah, maybe need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, predominantly Dick pills at the moment. That's my that's
Speaker 3: my main concern.
Speaker 2: How do you source them? Though?
Speaker 3: From pilot dot com dot. You got to pilot of
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Speaker 3: twenty dollars off your first order. I'm gonna plug my
Speaker 3: podcast one here.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's called a segue, and it's great
Speaker 2: that you use the term flog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's a perfect brand integration.
Speaker 2: Really, let's talk about flog Cabin for those who unaware.
Speaker 2: When did it start? Let's dive into it.
Speaker 3: We're about one hundred and four episodes in, so we're
Speaker 3: just what yeah, two years almost exactly two years. There
Speaker 3: you go. It's a podcast with myself, my friends Daniel
Speaker 3: Muglesman Andrew Hamilton too, more successful comedians than me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just kind of that classic comedians go on and
Speaker 3: talk about either erections or bodily functions for a couple
Speaker 3: of hours each week.
Speaker 2: That's us.
Speaker 4: It's not unlike ful thing Discount, except without the comedian aspect.
Speaker 2: Oh really, how do you find trying to break out
Speaker 2: of podcasting?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: We're talking about it recently on the show. It's so saturated,
Speaker 2: it's all we've been talking. It's so oversaturated now the
Speaker 2: podcast market. How do you find trying to separate yourself
Speaker 2: from the pack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as soon as we work out how, I'll let
Speaker 3: you guys know. I like, I think it's very very hard.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, as comedians, you can at least
Speaker 3: kind of rest on the idea that even if you're
Speaker 3: just making your own fans like you more, you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily need to be growing. Like going deeper is really
Speaker 3: valuable because you can sell tickets to things, and you can,
Speaker 3: you know, get them to watch stuff online. Like there's
Speaker 3: other avenues to kind of turn it into a career,
Speaker 3: whereas if it was pure list no numbers. Oh, it's
Speaker 3: so tough.
Speaker 2: How long have you guys been doing this for twenty fifteen?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, okay, so yeah, you guys, that's probably a
Speaker 3: pretty I mean, you'd always like to start earlier, but
Speaker 3: that's a pretty perfect time to start, right. That would
Speaker 3: have been a good.
Speaker 2: That's what I say. I always say in the podcast.
Speaker 2: When I first started doing this, the people go, what
Speaker 2: do you doing? I go, I do a podcast, And
Speaker 2: people would go, well, what's a podcast? And now they say,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? I do a podcast and the
Speaker 2: response is, well, of course you do. Everyone does. Yeah,
Speaker 2: me doesn't feel special anymore?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I don't know, like I
Speaker 3: think especially it's really hard when I mean we genuinely
Speaker 3: our only selling point is it's us like it, you know,
Speaker 3: I think right now I'm loving I don't know if
Speaker 3: you guys listen to Finn Versus History. No, Finn Taylor's
Speaker 3: a British comedian and he does this podcast called Finn
Speaker 3: Versus History, and it's like, it's kind of like the
Speaker 3: rest is History that their tagline is a history podcast
Speaker 3: for people who don't care about what actually happened, and
Speaker 3: it's so funny. But I think just like the way
Speaker 3: in of like this is a history podcast. This episode
Speaker 3: is about World War two, this episode is about JFK.
Speaker 3: Whatever is just a it's an easy sell to kind
Speaker 3: of bring people in, whereas US it's just us chatting.
Speaker 3: So it's like if you don't like us or eat,
Speaker 3: it's a pretty hard sell to get people into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the lucky thing of having the Simpsons,
Speaker 2: and everyone likes the Simpsons, so one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, is this do you guys have many competitors.
Speaker 3: Are there are many other Simpsons? Like, are their rival Simpsons?
Speaker 2: Now there are?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Yes, when we started, we were the second Simpsons podcast,
Speaker 2: but COVID everyone went, we're bored, let's buy microphones to
Speaker 2: talk about our favorite show at the Simpsons. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if there's like two hundred of them now, oh.
Speaker 3: God, what's not? Is the first one still going strong?
Speaker 2: The first one is still going? Yeah, a long weekly still.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes they miss but we're still going consecutive weekly.
Speaker 2: But we don't see them as I don't seem as competitors.
Speaker 2: You know, you seem as competitors. You just get to
Speaker 2: drive yourself insane. You're just going to see if someone
Speaker 2: else doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: But we're here to talk about all singing, all dancing.
Speaker 2: But before we get into that and we dive into
Speaker 2: the episode, tell us, what are your tom earliest memories
Speaker 2: of watching the Simpsons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was trying to pinpoint when I
Speaker 3: started watching it. I mean I probably would have started
Speaker 3: watching it before I was too young to really get it.
Speaker 3: I think it would have been I would have watched
Speaker 3: it when my parents will watching it, and it's that
Speaker 3: classic thing I think especially of people of my age,
Speaker 3: my generation of you rewatch old episodes and you get
Speaker 3: all the things you totally missed the first time around.
Speaker 3: I mean, my earliest memories of The Simpsons were just
Speaker 3: being totally obsessed with it and just quoting it endlessly
Speaker 3: to my parents. Just every situation had a Simpsons quote
Speaker 3: to go with it, and they truly could not give
Speaker 3: a shit at en.
Speaker 2: I'd no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just like and you're trying to set it up,
Speaker 3: and like, so home is here, and you know that
Speaker 3: you know the guy from the school who he doesn't
Speaker 3: teach their class. We teach the other class. And they
Speaker 3: just like, we don't care at all about this, except
Speaker 3: I do remember there was one quote that I said
Speaker 3: to my mum once when I must have been like ten,
Speaker 3: and she thought my delivery of it was really funny.
Speaker 3: And that was the one time that I managed a
Speaker 3: cracker with it, and then she would ask me to
Speaker 3: do it sometimes and it was it was actually the
Speaker 3: other episode I suggested we do, which is much a
Speaker 3: pooer about nothing, and it's when Homer's on the phone
Speaker 3: to I think it's Selma and he goes Selma, my dear,
Speaker 3: how are you? Uh huh uh huh listen, shut up
Speaker 3: for a second. My mom thought my delivery, that was
Speaker 3: great and would asked me to do it, and I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, I've cracked it here.
Speaker 2: So that was and a stand up is born, I know.
Speaker 3: And then and and then you have to find it.
Speaker 3: You got to write your own stuff. You can't just
Speaker 3: quote the Simpsons on stage all the time, even though
Speaker 3: I think that would probably be better for most people.
Speaker 2: It would.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a stand up version of a reaction video
Speaker 4: which was you all know, go gang Busses on YouTube.
Speaker 4: But I think it's probably great that you started watching
Speaker 4: at that young age. Even when you say I didn't
Speaker 4: quite get the jokes on, not one hundred percent sure
Speaker 4: what this is all about, You're almost getting comedy training
Speaker 4: by osmosis.
Speaker 3: I feel that way about. I agree, And especially I
Speaker 3: loved like joke websites and joke books and things from
Speaker 3: a young age and all the way through. And I
Speaker 3: was always kind of like I loved street jokes and
Speaker 3: being told jokes and parroting them to people. And I
Speaker 3: do think you learn that sort of rhythm or that timing.
Speaker 3: I think that is kind of inherent in me. And
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the way that I do stand
Speaker 3: up is super joke jokey. It's like a punchline. I
Speaker 3: think that is quite It's formulaic, but in the best
Speaker 3: kind of way. I just saw Did you guys, Have
Speaker 3: you guys seen the new Naked Gun film?
Speaker 2: No, not yet. I'm really con forward to it. I've
Speaker 2: heard great things.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic. But one of the things that I kind
Speaker 3: of took for grant until I saw it was how
Speaker 3: many formulas they have for jokes and that they kind
Speaker 3: of invented in that series and they can keep going
Speaker 3: back to the well and I think shows like The
Speaker 3: Simpsons did that really well as well. Of like that
Speaker 3: they just knew how to execute jokes so perfectly. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and then I just think, like, again, I don't know,
Speaker 3: especially in the sort of early Internet era, I thought
Speaker 3: my obsession with The Simpsons was singular. I didn't think
Speaker 3: anyone was obsessed as I was. And you know, I
Speaker 3: remember downloading like early Microsoft Windows days, like desk top
Speaker 3: theme packs where my little curse was a little yellow
Speaker 3: hand and when I deleted something, it would make the
Speaker 3: dough noise and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like the cycle bin will be something exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the games, all the Monopoly stuff, like I
Speaker 3: just I was so obsessed with it from such a
Speaker 3: young age. And it was that I again imagine especially
Speaker 3: Australian Fox eight Saturday Sunday mornings, I think it was
Speaker 3: nine am till midday was just SIMP repeat straight into
Speaker 3: WWE raw. What else do you want?
Speaker 2: Right? So? How so when did you grow up? So
Speaker 2: when were you What was the ear of the Simpsons
Speaker 2: when you were say like ten?
Speaker 3: So what that was two thousand and two? So I
Speaker 3: think this is the other thing, right, which is I
Speaker 3: think the memories I have the Simpsons, my kind of
Speaker 3: Simpsons heyday seems to be the time with the purists
Speaker 3: say it started to get shit. I know, principal in
Speaker 3: the Pauper is like the turning point in a lot
Speaker 3: of people's minds, right, which is probably where I start
Speaker 3: to get really invested, where the new ones make sense
Speaker 3: to me and I'm kind of invested in it. I
Speaker 3: remember the color changing. I remember when the yellow started
Speaker 3: to get deeper yellow. I think it was probably yeah,
Speaker 3: that sort of just change in quality, which I just
Speaker 3: in terms of visual quality. I remember that seems to
Speaker 3: be the part that really resonates with me. And then
Speaker 3: I remember I was again very online internet kid, finding
Speaker 3: my way around downloading new episodes from the States, just
Speaker 3: as it was getting.
Speaker 2: Truly terrible Kazah and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember, I remember really early days on
Speaker 3: Kazar or Lime Wire, having like a couple of episodes
Speaker 3: on my laptop and it was like flights if I
Speaker 3: needed to, or long car trips I would watch. It
Speaker 3: was the one where Bart's in the plastic bubble. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember I had that one very early, and maybe
Speaker 3: a couple of Treehouse of Horror ones. But then I
Speaker 3: remember it was the one with RAFFI remember the one
Speaker 3: with the he was the the children's entertainer things for
Speaker 3: Maggie's like Barney. Yes, that's right, And I just remember
Speaker 3: like being able to download it and feeling very proud
Speaker 3: of myself of being able to get it. Will also think, God,
Speaker 3: this is terrible.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you sort of so you see not
Speaker 2: peak Simpsons, but you grew up with like the teen
Speaker 2: ear and you see it as fine, where so many
Speaker 2: so many people just turn a blind eye to it.
Speaker 2: So what's your thoughts on the whole. We should say
Speaker 2: modern Simpsons is no good anymore.
Speaker 3: A few times I've caught episodes or little clips of episodes,
Speaker 3: I'm like, this actually isn't terrible, but it's a different show.
Speaker 3: It just isn't what it was, which is like true
Speaker 3: all of them, right, Like I think Family Guys at
Speaker 3: the Shame show it used to be. South Park isn't
Speaker 3: the same show it used to be. They've all had
Speaker 3: to evolve, which I don't hate, but I guess I
Speaker 3: probably don't. What it is now is probably not what
Speaker 3: I loved it for. I think I think like decent
Speaker 3: era Simpson's like lasts a little bit longer than the
Speaker 3: purest give it credit for. I mean, I have very
Speaker 3: fond memories of a couple of travel episodes, like the
Speaker 3: Japan episode. I really like there's an episode where they
Speaker 3: get the tennis court that's always really pure in my
Speaker 3: memory as well. For some reason, I think they're still
Speaker 3: pretty good, and I still think it's fairly classic. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I do think around in my mind it's more like
Speaker 3: season sixteen or whatever feels like the real turning point.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can really stomach this anymore.
Speaker 2: We just finished season twenty.
Speaker 3: I know I felt for you.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting now, we went in very We went
Speaker 2: in with very low expectations, right, so we were at
Speaker 2: the bottom. We weren't expecting greatness. But I tell you
Speaker 2: there was probably maybe one or two episodes that weren't great.
Speaker 2: There aren't bad episodes. There's just episodes where we just
Speaker 2: kind of watched it going I'm feeling nothing, which I
Speaker 2: guess is a bad episode in itself as well.
Speaker 4: We did, of course season nineteen before that, and I
Speaker 4: think that had one or two episodes where we were
Speaker 4: legitimately insulted or just angry about the poor quality of
Speaker 4: it all the way the storylines had gone on the
Speaker 4: way the characters have been depicted, whereas with Yeah, season twenty,
Speaker 4: as Dan I said, a lot of them were just like, eh,
Speaker 4: it's fine and you're not incorrect, and that that can
Speaker 4: be an even worse response. I mean, you sort of
Speaker 4: want to be on one side of the You want
Speaker 4: to eat the oscillate between I feel really good about
Speaker 4: this or I feel really bad about this. You want
Speaker 4: to be passionate one way or enough.
Speaker 2: I think it helps with watching them in chronological order
Speaker 2: as well. If you watch a classic episode and then
Speaker 2: watch a season twenty, then you can see the big
Speaker 2: difference in dropping comedy.
Speaker 3: Sure, what's like peak season twenty? What's like a great
Speaker 3: season twenty episode?
Speaker 2: What was I like? I really like the one that's coming.
Speaker 2: It's called Gone Making, Gone Guy. I wasn't a huge fan,
Speaker 2: but I'm very big on the format bending episodes, like
Speaker 2: there's one called Trilogy of Era, which has the linguo
Speaker 2: Yes that season twenty is it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm just saying that those where it's not
Speaker 2: your standard episode, it's format bending, and that one's very
Speaker 2: much like that as a parody of the Da Vinci Code.
Speaker 2: And what was the other? The National Treasure where Lisa
Speaker 2: is looking for the Golden Child or whatever it turns
Speaker 2: out to be, Maggie. I really like it was a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I think I find when it comes
Speaker 2: to more modern episodes, I like the ones where they
Speaker 2: break away for the norm a bit.
Speaker 4: And when it came to twenty, I think I was
Speaker 4: very keen on any teen He maya mo Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I tend to like it when you get to
Speaker 4: delve a little deeper into characters who you think you
Speaker 4: know everything about, and you realize there were more shades
Speaker 4: or more dimension to.
Speaker 2: Their character than you first imagined.
Speaker 4: They've been sort of ramping up moas less of a
Speaker 4: hostile slash pathetic character and showing that there was, you know,
Speaker 4: very very very very deep inside there was a heart.
Speaker 2: Yes, they starts dating a little person called Meyer in
Speaker 2: the episode.
Speaker 3: Yes, that rings a bell I remember that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: because I just I just googled the gone Maggie Gone,
Speaker 3: and that doesn't ring any bells to me. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the the dating the little person that does, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: does ring true a little bit.
Speaker 2: And spoiler alert. They split up by the end because
Speaker 2: status quo, but in a more because status Mo. Yeah, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: and in a recent season, I think it's like two
Speaker 2: or three seasons ago, they got back together again and
Speaker 2: then now a couple, which is nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, right, very much. The post Oh what was
Speaker 3: the poo? What was it? Harry Kondabalu?
Speaker 4: Oh what the documentary that he made the Problem show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it feels like a bit of a you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Simpson's gone woke mad, isn't it. It's
Speaker 3: just it's crazy, it's political Correctn's gone mad. Isn't it,
Speaker 3: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Speaking of silky, spilky, silky segways, this is a fine
Speaker 4: talking about your style of comedy, which is, to use
Speaker 4: a phrase from an old con and O'Brien's catch inappropriate. No,
Speaker 4: but watching problematic and ignorant. Your your two shows that
Speaker 4: you put on at the Sydney Comedy Festival them all.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, among other places, but they were recorded there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean you strike me, Tom, looking at you looked
Speaker 4: like a very sort of straight laced butter wouldn't melt
Speaker 4: in your mouth kind of guy. But you get up
Speaker 4: on stage and you say, well, you're not going insane
Speaker 4: up there, but you're saying things that you know some
Speaker 4: people might not expect coming from you. But it's also
Speaker 4: you've got the spoonful of sugar and the dash of
Speaker 4: arsenic in there as well, which strikes me as kind
Speaker 4: of Simpson's esque in a lot of ways. I'm wondering
Speaker 4: about maybe a correlation or any relationship between the comedy
Speaker 4: you enjoyed growing up, like the Simpsons, and the comedy
Speaker 4: that you do.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I guess when you have no tragedies
Speaker 3: of your own, you have to make light of other
Speaker 3: people's you know. So, yeah, I think I have definitely
Speaker 3: always been drawn to the more kind of I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, offensive, And now the term would be like
Speaker 3: edgy comedy, and now edgy has this really weird, sort
Speaker 3: of backhanded compliment element to it. I don't think edgy
Speaker 3: has ever really applauded anymore.
Speaker 2: Which is sort of rolling your eyes a bit. Now,
Speaker 2: is edgy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly as Mark Barron said there that day, it's
Speaker 4: a bunch of guys in a podcast talking about the
Speaker 4: last time they shit themselves as adults.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. And if you're into that makes you
Speaker 3: listen to flog cap come up. But yeah, I think
Speaker 3: I've all always enjoyed that. And I think again, I
Speaker 3: was thinking about this question about how much The Simpsons
Speaker 3: has influenced it, and I think more directly you would
Speaker 3: look at something like a South Park or a family
Speaker 3: Guy as a more a direct kind of reference for me,
Speaker 3: which it is very kind of it's dealing with sort
Speaker 3: of yeah for black and better term edgy topics or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I do think, you know, the Simpsons is a
Speaker 3: precursor to all of that. It was just because of
Speaker 3: the time it existed and required to do it in
Speaker 3: a slightly more I don't know, stealthy fashion. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I think like there's a reason that you know, the
Speaker 3: Simpsons and sorry, the south Park and Family kind of
Speaker 3: heyday was when you started hearing about things like political
Speaker 3: coreckness gone mad and all that sort of stuff, right,
Speaker 3: it was. It was when that stuff was pushing up
Speaker 3: against something, whereas the Simpsons did have to do it
Speaker 3: in a more covert way.
Speaker 2: So we just we just reviewed goo backs on our
Speaker 2: south Park podcast as well. So you've got a south
Speaker 2: Park podcast? Yeah, in season eight, now going down to
Speaker 2: south Park check it out? Yeah, right, feel free to
Speaker 2: appear as a guest on that show.
Speaker 3: Sure, what are you doing after this?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 3: I see? That was? And again and this is kind
Speaker 3: of like internet eras that Goobag's episode was one that
Speaker 3: was on my laptop as well. Like that, I think
Speaker 3: as the Simpsons was kind of descending, south Park was
Speaker 3: really hitting highest and Family guide.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of the Simpsons fans who
Speaker 2: grew up on The Simpsons feeling like it was the
Speaker 2: cool show, migrated to south Park. That makes sense, it's
Speaker 2: their comedy adolescence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think the impact of again, having started
Speaker 3: watching it at such a young age, we don't have
Speaker 3: the context of what preceded it, and you find out
Speaker 3: so much of what the Simpsons did was just hadn't
Speaker 3: really been done before, and you take it for granted
Speaker 3: because you were seeing it at a time where you
Speaker 3: didn't know what was groundbreaking, what was trendsetting.
Speaker 2: It just was.
Speaker 3: So I'd be very surprised if there weren't things that
Speaker 3: kind of crept in into the way that I do comedy,
Speaker 3: and I guess just about everybody else.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that kind of thing is possible now
Speaker 2: because everything's on demand now, it's not really the TV
Speaker 2: stations aren't dictating what kids watch now. I think it's
Speaker 2: hard for one particular show to really infla what's an
Speaker 2: entire generation of kids now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think the Internet has just led to
Speaker 3: such a severe kind of fractalization of content, right, Like
Speaker 3: everybody is invested in their own little niches, and to
Speaker 3: them it feels all encompassing and something that everybody is around,
Speaker 3: and yet the people who are one or two steps
Speaker 3: away from that have no idea. Like you know, I
Speaker 3: always think about the fact my wife has no idea
Speaker 3: who mister Beast is, and I wouldn't call myself a fan,
Speaker 3: but he's one of the most influential figures in modern media,
Speaker 3: and yet there are a whole group of people have
Speaker 3: no idea, not even don't watch it, but have no
Speaker 3: concept of even what it is. Your wife, Oh man,
Speaker 3: what a simpler time. But yeah, I just don't think
Speaker 3: it is possible. And as well as the fact that
Speaker 3: streaming releases seasons full seasons at a time, and therefore
Speaker 3: none of us are really watching things simultaneously, and those
Speaker 3: few moments where we are they seem to become big
Speaker 3: cultural moments, but they're the exception. So the Game of
Speaker 3: Thrones and The Successions and these shows that have forced
Speaker 3: us to watch them for watch them collectively have become
Speaker 3: bigger cultural moments. But for the most part, we can't
Speaker 3: discuss any show until we've all finished watching it. By
Speaker 3: then it's not even interesting anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think to go on from Dando's point,
Speaker 4: and in your's time, I think in lieu of shows
Speaker 4: being sort of the common currency or the common sort
Speaker 4: of language that we have, it's probably a meme that
Speaker 4: will catch on and everybody sort of knows what you
Speaker 4: mean by that, or you can use it in any
Speaker 4: sort of type of situation as a response or as a.
Speaker 2: Call out or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and usually they don't last all that long, which
Speaker 4: can be a blessing in disguise. I mean, there was
Speaker 4: a phase there where everyone's saying was, you know, everything
Speaker 4: was very demure, everything was very whatever for about five
Speaker 4: minutes or so, and thank god that five minutes is over.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that might be sort of the
Speaker 4: replacement of everyone knowing lines from The Simpsons and using
Speaker 4: them in everyday conversation.
Speaker 2: I think people the Simpsons live on now through meme culture.
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, exoltly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think, you know, things
Speaker 3: move so quickly, so there probably won't be a podcast
Speaker 3: about CEOs at Cold Blake concerts anytime soon. And yet
Speaker 3: that was like the biggest cultural moment of this entire year,
Speaker 3: and already it feels old hat and it happened a
Speaker 3: week ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris Martin's still trying to keep that alive. There
Speaker 4: was a new story last night about.
Speaker 2: Some couple who were I think trying to cause trying
Speaker 2: to propose at a Coldplay concert using a sign yeah,
Speaker 2: and of course he had to fault.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine Chris Martin trying to overcapitalize on something
Speaker 3: like that. That doesn't sound like something he had to do.
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Speaker 2: slash four finger Discount, All Singing, all Dancing. Why did
Speaker 2: you choose this episode?
Speaker 3: I just I've always loved the musical elements of The Simpsons,
Speaker 3: and I think of so a real foundational memory for
Speaker 3: me the Simpsons is listening to that songs in the
Speaker 3: Key of Springfield CD as I was falling asleep on
Speaker 3: my Discman underneath my pillow as a youth. And then
Speaker 3: eventually I think I ended up upgrading from that to
Speaker 3: like I would burn my own CDs that had like
Speaker 3: it was a combination of songs but also like little
Speaker 3: clippable quotes and sound clips and sound bites from the show,
Speaker 3: which is so lame, but it was a thing that
Speaker 3: I loved.
Speaker 2: No, no, it couldn't be lame. I did it as well,
Speaker 2: did you really that?
Speaker 3: But the thing of like having you know, just just
Speaker 3: a quote Homer Simpsons saying something funny as you fall asleep.
Speaker 2: Well that's like on those CDs, like you're saying songs
Speaker 2: in the key. Just hearing dialogu from the Simpsons felt
Speaker 2: so cool because it's not just on the TV. I'm
Speaker 2: listening to it in the car or my Discman, Now,
Speaker 2: it's so special.
Speaker 4: YouTube gentlemen are being very millennial about this, so I'm
Speaker 4: going to throw in an old man yelling at cloud
Speaker 4: generation X style reference. This is very reminism of like
Speaker 4: a Quentin Tarantino soundtrack where you get the like pulp
Speaker 4: Fiction or Jackie Brown or whatever, where you get the
Speaker 4: songs that are on the in the film, but they'd
Speaker 4: be interspersed with bits of dialogue because dialogue was just
Speaker 4: as sort of entertaining musical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, I remember that again back in
Speaker 3: the kind of post an apstamare LimeWire days downloading. I
Speaker 3: think it was it was either Stuck in the Middle
Speaker 3: with You or one of those reservoir Dog tracks. And
Speaker 3: they've always got the Stephen Wright radio.
Speaker 4: Intro capability super sund of the seventies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so yes, no, So I really loved the
Speaker 3: music and it was I liked how that has transitioned
Speaker 3: to things like again back to south Park, Bigger Logo,
Speaker 3: ron Cut, and the Team America movie, and then obviously
Speaker 3: Book A Mormon and then A Family Guy also have
Speaker 3: these kind of musical moments scattered throughout. So I kind
Speaker 3: of just wanted to talk about the songs, and then
Speaker 3: I because I know I knew all the songs really well,
Speaker 3: but then watching the episode, I was like, this is
Speaker 3: not a good episode of television, but it is a
Speaker 3: good excuse to talk about a bunch of very good songs.
Speaker 2: It felt important special twenty five years ago though, when
Speaker 2: I was a kid watching this, because, as you were saying,
Speaker 2: we didn't have YouTube, right, so we couldn't just go
Speaker 2: on New to even find the song that we wanted
Speaker 2: to listen to. So this felt like like one of
Speaker 2: those so fresh compilation CD's, like the greatest Hit CD
Speaker 2: with all the best clips in the one episode. So
Speaker 2: they were necessary twenty five years ago, but now in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, they just feel redundant.
Speaker 3: That's really I never thought about that, But you're right.
Speaker 3: The compilation episodes must have really served a purpose or
Speaker 3: clip shows must have said the real purpose at the time.
Speaker 3: They just don't anymore. I'd never really considered that.
Speaker 2: Well, they filed a quota, they meant that the writers
Speaker 2: didn't have to work as hard, and they just sort
Speaker 2: of they just pad out an episode that they felt lazy,
Speaker 2: but they did for people who just wanted to find
Speaker 2: the best bits of a show, this is how you
Speaker 2: got them, and serve as.
Speaker 4: A reminder of, look, this is what we're capable of
Speaker 4: as well. I mean, I don't think they're picking any
Speaker 4: sort of dud songs to reminisce over. They're picking some
Speaker 4: cherries there for sure.
Speaker 3: And also this is in the context of I mean,
Speaker 3: how many episodes of season? Is this twenty four episodes
Speaker 3: or something like two ish or something. You forget that
Speaker 3: that was kind of standard in a lot of television
Speaker 3: as well, right, like especially, I mean I remember you know,
Speaker 3: the Supernatural Days or whatever, those suits or stuff you
Speaker 3: know right up until I think it was that Rider's
Speaker 3: strike sort of the turning point. But there was a
Speaker 3: lot of content that they had to feel, so it's
Speaker 3: hard to really begrudge them for phoning one in from
Speaker 3: time to time. But yeah, I think the thing that
Speaker 3: I had gone on to read about this was and
Speaker 3: I imagine we'll get to this, but that this was
Speaker 3: actually kind of a marketing exercise four songs in the
Speaker 3: key of Springfield, which I didn't realize. So I can
Speaker 3: see why some people would get frustrated. But it's like,
Speaker 3: how many good episodes of TV are you entitled to
Speaker 3: in a year? Surely they can take a week off.
Speaker 3: You're not paying for this. It's free entertainment, just one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. Sit down, shut up, and enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I yes, I thought, great excuse to
Speaker 3: talk about the songs, even though I think the episode
Speaker 3: itself was a bit whatever.
Speaker 2: Do you have a standout song of the Simpsons?
Speaker 3: So I kind of because as I was watching it,
Speaker 3: I was trying to kind of clock if there are
Speaker 3: things that weren't in it that I that I would
Speaker 3: have missed, and I think in watching it was the
Speaker 3: kind of they kind of cracked all the hits, I think,
Speaker 3: especially for the episode see My vest is Hard to
Speaker 3: Go Past. I think that's fantastic. I also really like
Speaker 3: the Stonecutters song. I really enjoyed that. In terms of
Speaker 3: things that weren't in the episode, I have a real
Speaker 3: soft spot for the Flaming mos Cheers kind of intro song.
Speaker 2: Parody ones are always great, aren't they.
Speaker 3: They are fantastic. Yeah, and also also parody all the
Speaker 3: original means something to me is we're talking softball. I
Speaker 3: always really enjoyed that too.
Speaker 4: We had a mail bag episode recently where we were
Speaker 4: answering questions from fans of the show, and I think
Speaker 4: we were asked about our favorite songs and we trade
Speaker 4: a few that were in this episode. I think one
Speaker 4: of the ones that I mentioned that I really enjoyed.
Speaker 4: I don't think they would have been really relevant in
Speaker 4: this episode, but they were the Learning Lumpkin ones from.
Speaker 2: Actually, have you revisited that episode for for a while. No,
Speaker 2: it's revisited the music and that's fantastic, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and works in concert with a you know, a
Speaker 4: really touching story as well, so it's you get the
Speaker 4: best of both.
Speaker 3: Worlds Now that I think about that. It is a
Speaker 3: very kind of adult story, isn't it that one? Like
Speaker 3: it's it's fair. It grapples with some pretty heady stuff you.
Speaker 2: On the episode ever written by Matt Groening as well,
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: Colonel Homer is like what I consider like the hidden Gem.
Speaker 2: No one seems to talk about it anymore, but Colonel
Speaker 2: Homer revisit it because what season is that? That's season three? Three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's very early for me, Like it's again,
Speaker 3: those were episodes I only would have seen in retrospect,
Speaker 3: and the colors are so it's all so much darker,
Speaker 3: and it's a little bit it just feels older.
Speaker 2: What was your mentality then, so growing up? Did you
Speaker 2: go back and revisit those earlier ones because it looked differently?
Speaker 2: Did you go out it looks too old for me?
Speaker 2: Because my kids now I'll put on HD Simpsons and
Speaker 2: they almost prefer to watch it just because it looks better. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got a seven year old and a four year old,
Speaker 2: and they like they seem to just want to gravitate
Speaker 2: towards the newer ones. I think there's like to look
Speaker 2: at it it's just the visuals. It's brighter, it's widescreen,
Speaker 2: it's fancier. I put on the old ones and they
Speaker 2: enjoy them, but it's just like they go, why does
Speaker 2: it look so old? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when I first started watching The Simpsons,
Speaker 3: you are just you're left up to whatever Fox it's
Speaker 3: going to give you, or Channel tens can to give you. Right,
Speaker 3: so you watch what's on and you say thank you,
Speaker 3: even if I would have liked it to have been
Speaker 3: a little a different shade of yellow, but yeah, I
Speaker 3: think you just kind of get this inherent thing of like, oh,
Speaker 3: this isn't quite for me. Maybe not as in I
Speaker 3: don't like it, but as in like, oh this was
Speaker 3: made for a different type of viewer. Maybe still watch it,
Speaker 3: but you just you can't help but escape. And there's
Speaker 3: still some moments in that stuff I really like, but
Speaker 3: it just it feels less. It just inherently feels that's relevant,
Speaker 3: maybe just implicitly, but it's amazing. How like my wife
Speaker 3: and I watching The Biggest Loser documentary at the moment.
Speaker 2: Oh god, we watched it on the weekend. What's that on?
Speaker 2: What's streaming? So that's on Netflix? Netflix?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing what TV looked like in two thousand
Speaker 3: and four or whatever. It's like, how the fuck will
Speaker 3: we watch it? Where our TIV is that small that
Speaker 3: we didn't notice how pixelated. Even these guys are enormous
Speaker 3: and there's still like four pixels, So it's it's bizarre
Speaker 3: how quickly those things move. So there's just like an
Speaker 3: inherent old nurse and some of the voices are a
Speaker 3: little different, I guess, and that sort of thing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't like a conscious thing to discredit. It just
Speaker 3: feels different.
Speaker 2: I guess it's the equivalent of in the mid nineties
Speaker 2: my parents putting on a cartoon from the sixties and saying,
Speaker 2: watch this and enjoy it. You know, you'll enjoy the Flintstones.
Speaker 2: Brendan Well, I did enjoy the Flintstones. But for you, though, Tom,
Speaker 2: what makes a good Simpsons song? For me? I prefer
Speaker 2: to have as many of the town's people involved as possible,
Speaker 2: which is why we put the spring in Springfoot is
Speaker 2: my favorite Simpsons song. But for you personally, what do
Speaker 2: you want out of a Simpson song? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think like there's an inherent catchiness that I like
Speaker 3: a lot like there's things that get they're just earworms
Speaker 3: that get stuck in your head. I like, I was
Speaker 3: trying to think about how they're not necessarily gag heavy,
Speaker 3: but some songs feel a lot more kind of dense
Speaker 3: than others in a good way, where it's just there's
Speaker 3: detail in that. I think about that Stonecutters song and
Speaker 3: the interplay between like you know, the Martian popping up
Speaker 3: and Steve Gutenberg being there and like all that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff that I quite enjoy. I think also for
Speaker 3: seeing my vest, that kind of the interplay between what
Speaker 3: you're seeing or what you're hearing is fun, I think,
Speaker 3: whereas compared to like I feel as if the Monorail
Speaker 3: song an episode is meant to be this this triumph
Speaker 3: and it's fantastic, But like watching it in the clip
Speaker 3: was like, this is quite short, isn't it Like it's
Speaker 3: over before you know it?
Speaker 2: So I think it is.
Speaker 3: It's that combination of like, yeah, catchiness and then and
Speaker 3: then the kind of other jokes in it are the
Speaker 3: little funny moments in it.
Speaker 2: I think with the Mono Rail episode in general, just
Speaker 2: having Conan's name attached to it just makes it just
Speaker 2: feel cooler.
Speaker 3: Is that what it is.
Speaker 2: It's very wacky. And it was the first episode where
Speaker 2: Matt Groening literally said to them, look, because he didn't
Speaker 2: want to do the Lenar Nimoy gag at the end
Speaker 2: where he disappears like Star Trek, right, he was very
Speaker 2: much against that. He wanted to keep it as real
Speaker 2: as possible, realistic as possible, and then he said, fine,
Speaker 2: just go with it, right, and it worked and it's
Speaker 2: like it just went crazy. People love that gag. And
Speaker 2: then that's when Matt Grany went, fine, go have fun
Speaker 2: with the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I mean, I love I love
Speaker 3: Phil Hartman, and again all everything that he ever did
Speaker 3: was before my time. But the more I find out
Speaker 3: about him, and I love Troy McClure, and I love
Speaker 3: Lionel Hearts and I think him having a bit of
Speaker 3: a that character is so perfect for him and his voice.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can see why people get attached it.
Speaker 3: And you're right, it is the Conan one. Even I mean,
Speaker 3: how involved was Conan though?
Speaker 2: You guys know he's from the writing stuff until he
Speaker 2: had the Late Night Is that what he started with
Speaker 2: Late Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so he was a head writer, right, No,
Speaker 2: he was never head writer. No no, but he was
Speaker 2: on the writing team. But the episodes he wrote were
Speaker 2: Homer goes to college large versus the Monorail and he's
Speaker 2: one that no one seems to really talk about, which
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite ones. This new kid on
Speaker 2: the block where Laura Powers moves in next door the
Speaker 2: older girl. Oh oh yeah, she starts dating Jimbo at
Speaker 2: the end and Mode comes to kill him that one,
Speaker 2: And that's They've got the B plot of Homer with
Speaker 2: the OI you can Eat buffet. That's the B plot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so just absolute bang. It's from Conan I think. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The reason that I'm that I enjoyed the Monorail song
Speaker 4: so much is just I feel the ingenuity not just
Speaker 4: of La Lanley, but also I'm just sort of swept
Speaker 4: up in his spiel. You know, I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 4: I'd be all over a monorail of this general was
Speaker 4: selling it to me. But then you you've got sort
Speaker 4: of like a triple layer of ingenuity because you can
Speaker 4: feel what Phil Harton's bringing to the table as well,
Speaker 4: just the joy in his performance. And then you're thinking
Speaker 4: about Conan Or and well, I guess everyone in the
Speaker 4: writing room sort of adding their two cents to it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it just feels like everybody's sort of working at the
Speaker 4: peak of their powers, even if it is brief. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but no, for mine just works just so well. And
Speaker 4: it's one of those things as well where everybody gets
Speaker 4: a moment and it all feels relevant to their characters
Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, that's why I'm the big fan
Speaker 4: of that one.
Speaker 2: And if you haven't seen it, he did do a
Speaker 2: live performance of it. Have you seen that time?
Speaker 3: I have seen that at the Hollywood Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, very very good. All right, So shall we
Speaker 2: get into our favorite moments from all singing and all dancing.
Speaker 2: Let's get in my favorite. I really liked that line
Speaker 2: at the start when Homer returns from the video store
Speaker 2: and he says they're putting on the waiting li for exale?
Speaker 2: What is it waiting to exale? But then he not
Speaker 2: the whole air breath. Yeah, it's great joke.
Speaker 4: What I loved about that though, was just that I
Speaker 4: don't know if you'll appreciate this time as a stand up,
Speaker 4: but it just had that kind of mind and have laughter.
Speaker 4: What there's that gift from the sins as well with
Speaker 4: the stand up guys going eh eh, doing a hand
Speaker 4: jester almost but like home was waiting for the reactions,
Speaker 4: Like the joke's kind of hackney, but it's also kind
Speaker 4: of perfect. I loved it for that reason.
Speaker 3: No, I agree. I think it's a it's a it's
Speaker 3: a great like it's a joke joke, which I love,
Speaker 3: Thank you for very good.
Speaker 2: And being a clip show, it's hard to sort of
Speaker 2: find favorite moments, isn't it, because there's just not much
Speaker 2: original content in.
Speaker 3: There, especially because and I know we're meant to be
Speaker 3: talking about favorite moments, it's not going to be shoting
Speaker 3: on the episode yet. But like I think the sort
Speaker 3: of jukebox musical approach. I don't even know it's called,
Speaker 3: but you know what do they there's a name for it,
Speaker 3: like Hamilton, where they they're singing the whole time once
Speaker 3: the musical starts. And I think that stuff in between
Speaker 3: the clips is so forgettable.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I actually I didn't mind that. I thought
Speaker 2: at least they're having fun with the concept. It's not
Speaker 2: just hey, here's a bunch of clips, at least because
Speaker 2: it's a musical that they're showing all the songs. At
Speaker 2: least they turned it into something different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, but I just feel like they
Speaker 3: did the most first thought version, Like they weren't really
Speaker 3: too funny in the way they did that, Whereas I
Speaker 3: think that waiting to exhale thing, You're right, that's it's
Speaker 3: a good jo did a joke joke up front? I
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I've written down could live without the
Speaker 4: Snake interludes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly him pointing a gun at Maggie. I was like,
Speaker 2: I just don't think that. I feel that that's a
Speaker 2: reason for cancelation in twenty twenty five, and I think
Speaker 2: you would do that anymore right.
Speaker 3: Also, he pulls the trigger five times, he goes to
Speaker 3: kill the entire Simpsons family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just couldn't believe that he pointed a gun
Speaker 2: at the baby and pulled and pulled the trigger. Grand
Speaker 2: there was a bullet in. But I thought and apparently
Speaker 2: the senses weren't happy with that, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was probably a good reason when I'm all for dark comedy,
Speaker 2: but pointing a gun maybe because silm my dad. Now
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was like, oh, boy.
Speaker 3: Well, because Snake was always a crook, but he was
Speaker 3: never just like a psychopath and he's like, for some reason,
Speaker 3: he's killing all the Simpsons for no reason, Like for
Speaker 3: what for a copy of Paint Your Wagon on VHS?
Speaker 2: Was that? Was that why he was doing it? I
Speaker 2: thought he was just breaking him because he didn't like
Speaker 2: the singing. Oh is that what it was? I thought.
Speaker 4: I thought he was on the run from someone, like
Speaker 4: he needed somewhere to sort of whole up. It was like,
Speaker 4: oh God, I've come to a house where people are
Speaker 4: singing for no reason.
Speaker 2: Here is snake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, basically speaking of Paint your Wagon, that's probably I mean,
Speaker 4: this was I guess original to this episode.
Speaker 2: I mean, that wasn't in anything else, was it this? No?
Speaker 4: No, no, this is the framing device for this episode.
Speaker 4: It's something that I enjoyed. I mean, it's been a
Speaker 4: while since I've watched this episode, but the whole as
Speaker 4: I said, I'm generation X, I'm a little bit older.
Speaker 4: But so I've got memories of Lee Marvin, whereas you know,
Speaker 4: other people are going to go, who's this old crustacean?
Speaker 4: But I love how they referred him as always drunken, violent,
Speaker 4: which Lee Marvin reportedly was okay, But I think it
Speaker 4: was Dan c who's doing the singing voice for Lee Marvin,
Speaker 4: which was really good. I mean, I queued up some
Speaker 4: clips from Paint Your Wagon before we started a recording
Speaker 4: to day Lee Marvin is actually doing that kind of
Speaker 4: singing in Paint Your Wagon. He's a lot like Leonard Cohen.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was surprised, so clean east with singing
Speaker 4: voice not that great Lee Marvin's.
Speaker 2: I actually have the Paint Your Wagon vinyls. What the heck?
Speaker 3: Jmie Spencer's that head?
Speaker 2: Well. I bought this for four dollars at the record
Speaker 2: sale last year. I thought I didn't know it was
Speaker 2: a real thing. I grew up just thinking that this
Speaker 2: was just a made up movie because it just seemed
Speaker 2: so ridiculous. Obviously it's is it a musical? It is
Speaker 2: a musical, Yeah, but it's not about painting wagon and
Speaker 2: things like that, right, No. Essentially, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: a musical version of Deadwood. Okay. But I'm just I've
Speaker 2: saw it and I thought, wait, that's a real thing.
Speaker 2: I have to took a photo of it, put on
Speaker 2: the page and whatnot, and yeah, I just thought this
Speaker 2: was just a made up, ridiculous musical that the Simpsons
Speaker 2: just thought they'd put together for the show.
Speaker 3: I discovered the same thing because I googled Paint your
Speaker 3: Wagon looking for like the song, and the first thing
Speaker 3: comes up as a Wikipedia page for the Lee Marvin movie.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I had no idea it was actually I
Speaker 3: know it was real. So is it, like you say,
Speaker 3: musical version of Deadwood? Is it dark? Like? Is it
Speaker 3: meant to be kind of brooding? Or is it a pistack?
Speaker 4: It's a serious story with it's not necessarily a deep
Speaker 4: and meaningful musical, but nor is it kind of a
Speaker 4: all sing all dancing romp. Right, Okay, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: light drama with songs, l like Western drama with songs.
Speaker 2: So does Clint Eastwood actually sing it? He does? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Really, you can find clips of it on YouTube. I mean,
Speaker 4: I actually recommend checking out the song Born under a
Speaker 4: Wandering Star. It's Lee Marbin song. And like I said,
Speaker 4: he's got.
Speaker 2: This throaty bourbon for breakfast. Possibly true.
Speaker 4: Leonard Cohen is kind of voice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, check that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paint your Wagon anyway, let's give it some trivia.
Speaker 3: Next question, you there eating the Beast.
Speaker 2: My first question for you, gentlemen, is what color do
Speaker 2: they actually paint the wagon green green? Correct, not red
Speaker 2: with blood? I did that with blood. Or My first
Speaker 2: question is what kind of pine is the wagon made of?
Speaker 2: Oh that's my next question. I'll let you answer it, Tom.
Speaker 3: Ponder rose pine. I this was one of these things
Speaker 3: that I missed that I would always sing to myself
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. I don't know what I
Speaker 3: thought it was, but I definitely didn't know. Was ponder
Speaker 3: just made up a word? That's what I used to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, do do you finally still do that now?
Speaker 2: With songs from your child or that you've never bothered
Speaker 2: to look at the lyrics for you like, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to go with the sound that I used to
Speaker 2: make when I was a child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, easier that way, I think I I thought
Speaker 3: it was oh so fine, was what I thought they
Speaker 3: were saying. Okay, because the wood is fine, oh so fine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well right, you've just told my other question. He
Speaker 2: was from others, mister Davis.
Speaker 4: The b Sharps are performing Baby on Board on top
Speaker 4: of most bar. The Young paper Boy is selling a
Speaker 4: copy of the Springfield Shopper. What is the main headline
Speaker 4: on the cover of the Springfield Shopper? Oh, God, it's
Speaker 4: in relation to the bee sharps. It has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with the shapes.
Speaker 2: If that wouldn't make sense with it now, I have
Speaker 2: no idea. Do you know, Tom?
Speaker 3: I remember thinking it as I was watching.
Speaker 2: Is it something about like, here's a clue, it's weather related?
Speaker 3: Weather related? Oh, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Then, I don't know, no idea. Snowstorm hits the Midwest,
Speaker 2: hits the Midwest.
Speaker 3: It's getting that.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just it's not what he said it
Speaker 2: says it is, all right, one more question. We'll get
Speaker 2: into this. Well, I imagine we'll all know this.
Speaker 4: But where has Lar Lanley sold monorails in the past?
Speaker 2: That's easy.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is again one of these things that I
Speaker 3: got kind of Ogdenville, something in North Haverbrook. What's the
Speaker 3: middle one?
Speaker 2: Ogdenville. It's not unlike Broadway. I was gonna say, I'm
Speaker 2: out Broadway, Brockway, Rockway, Ogdenville and North have Brook and
Speaker 2: by gummy put them on the map.
Speaker 3: God, that's a great line. Have you guys did you
Speaker 3: I brought up before ever watched Supernatural? Do you give
Speaker 3: a do you know?
Speaker 2: The show? Bits and pieces? So I never really got
Speaker 2: into it, but more life always goes This looks like
Speaker 2: a show we should get into it. And I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: do I want to commit fifteen seasons to this show?
Speaker 2: Is it worth committing to?
Speaker 3: Probably not, But there is a moment in it where
Speaker 3: there is a series of attacks happening, and they happen
Speaker 3: in Ogdenville, Brockway and north have Rock and it's just
Speaker 3: like this little it's totally walked over. They don't make
Speaker 3: a big song and dance about it a little eastrike,
Speaker 3: which ilways appreciated.
Speaker 2: Best kind of gag. I find that a lot, not
Speaker 2: just even with kids shows, where you just see the
Speaker 2: little Simpsons gags hidden throughout which the kids have no
Speaker 2: idea about, but the adults watching the parents go, I
Speaker 2: know you did there. Blue is a big one for that.
Speaker 2: And we actually had the guy that made the music
Speaker 2: for Blue Josh Bush, on the on the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was so heavily influenced by the Simpsons when
Speaker 2: he wrote the music for Bluey that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And he said he tried to basically replicate songs in
Speaker 2: the Key of Springfield with the first Bluey album. And
Speaker 2: once you hear him say that, you go, you know
Speaker 2: what it actually makes a lot of sense because I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of blu In music. No, the kids
Speaker 2: love it, so it's always on. But it's actually really good,
Speaker 2: uplifting music. But in between the songs it has little
Speaker 2: bits of dialogue from that particular episode as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's cool. Oh nice. I have absolutely no
Speaker 3: reason to like Bluey, but I really do. I have
Speaker 3: no kids or anything. I have a friend who has kids,
Speaker 3: and he's like, blue is actually quite good. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, they've done such a good job, like the
Speaker 3: cricket episode of the State of Origin episode, giving people
Speaker 3: like adults or reason to engage with it, and it's fantastic,
Speaker 3: so impressive if you.
Speaker 2: My wife wasn't into cricket, right, and then she watched
Speaker 2: the Bluey episode about cricket and it's almost like it
Speaker 2: explains to someone, this is what cricket's about.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, one hundred percent. And as Australians we
Speaker 3: need a talking dog to explain emotions to us. Whoever, Like,
Speaker 3: I really care about this, but I don't know how
Speaker 3: to put it.
Speaker 4: We need a talking dog to explain most things to
Speaker 4: or something, Yeah, exactly albut needs to get someone like.
Speaker 2: That in the cabinet. That dog could sell anything. Oh man,
Speaker 2: all right, so the visual aid of all singing all down.
Speaker 2: It was January fourth, nineteen ninety eight. The top three
Speaker 2: films at the US box office when this episode aired.
Speaker 2: Number one, Titanic, number two, Tomorrow Never Dies, Double O seven,
Speaker 2: number three. As good as it gets, God, we used
Speaker 2: to build things in this country.
Speaker 3: What's as good as it gets?
Speaker 4: That's Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt. It's by James L.
Speaker 4: Brooks of The Simpsons.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, there you go.
Speaker 2: It's the best at the best actress, I believe. So. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it went best film as well. No, no, it's Titanic. Titanic.
Speaker 2: The Titanic went best film. It did.
Speaker 4: James Cameron was king of the world. He declared it
Speaker 4: to all in sundry and everyone kind of went, this guy, do.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Titanic? Tom still never seen it? You've
Speaker 2: never seen it? Look, it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: you just sort of have to have seen it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I I was what ten when that movie came out,
Speaker 2: so it was just it was everywhere what we what
Speaker 2: you were? You born nineteen ninety two two, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised me you haven't seen it, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I think I actually talking about fiin versus history.
Speaker 3: Before they just did an episode of The Titanic they
Speaker 3: listened to and they bring up about you know, because
Speaker 3: James Cameron's a huge scene nerd, and like he brought
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of things that he in
Speaker 3: the film he kind of brought through with it. I
Speaker 3: think it's a combination of like there's a weird thing
Speaker 3: about films that have become cultural centerpieces where I feel
Speaker 3: like I already know so much of it. I know
Speaker 3: how it ends, I know what the thing is, I
Speaker 3: know all the key scenes, like it's been parodied in
Speaker 3: everything a million times. So it's like I feel the
Speaker 3: same way about the sixth sense, where I know it
Speaker 3: is this cultural landmark, and yet I know that I
Speaker 3: know the thing that made.
Speaker 2: It what it is. If you know the twist, it
Speaker 2: just there's no point, is there?
Speaker 3: So what's the point?
Speaker 4: But there is, I'm sure, But because then you get
Speaker 4: pleasantly surprised when you watch something like Titanic all the
Speaker 4: sixth sense and you realize the skill that's gone into it,
Speaker 4: the yeah, the power of the performances, or that you
Speaker 4: know the virtuosity of the filmmaking technique.
Speaker 2: And it's a pleasant surprise in that regard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you think you know everything and then to discover
Speaker 4: a little bit more is kind of like, oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm sure either there's there's I mean, especially with the
Speaker 3: quality of the cast and the director and all the accolades.
Speaker 3: But I think probably the more honest reason I haven't
Speaker 3: was I just always it was a chick film. I
Speaker 3: just all thought it was a film for chicks, and
Speaker 3: I think as a young boy that was just like, no,
Speaker 3: you can't like that, Like, why would I watch it?
Speaker 3: What's the risk?
Speaker 2: Is? I enjoy it?
Speaker 3: And then I like a girl thing.
Speaker 2: But there's also the element of it's not something you're
Speaker 2: going to have on a date note because it goes
Speaker 2: for so long as well, You're like, I don't have
Speaker 2: to sit for three hours and watch it. I want
Speaker 2: to commit to a ninety minute chick flick.
Speaker 3: I made a New Year's resolution this year that I
Speaker 3: was going to watch all ten Best Picture nominees, and
Speaker 3: every time I go onto Netflix, just that the thumbnail
Speaker 3: of Wicked is just like staring at me. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch this. I don't care so long.
Speaker 2: My kids keep asking to watch it. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: that's too scary. That's great, but yeah, yeah, So Titanic
Speaker 2: was number one at the US box off was number
Speaker 2: one for a long time, wasn't it. Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, from ninety seven into Yeah. I think it was
Speaker 4: in the top ten for something like four months, maybe
Speaker 4: even more. Actually no, sorry, it was in cinemas for
Speaker 4: over a year.
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Speaker 2: and the catch gag was the one where the floor
Speaker 2: it's a treadmill. The family get onto the catch except
Speaker 2: for home and it gets stuck and it gets going
Speaker 2: underneath the whole thing. So an think a nice shout
Speaker 2: out to the Jetsons. Yes, that's right, Yeah it is
Speaker 2: too hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a question you guys are definitely the
Speaker 3: answer to. And I think I know the answer. I
Speaker 3: just want to check. Is every couch gag you nick
Speaker 3: the couch gag?
Speaker 2: They repeat them often they do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, they're environmentally friendly. They recycle a few gags.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, Like the big song and dance one
Speaker 2: with the circus. That one gets used a lot. That's
Speaker 2: the one where they back in the classic era, if
Speaker 2: an episode was running short, throw that one out there
Speaker 2: because it goes fight forty seconds. You know, that's how
Speaker 2: they pat them out. You find it a lot more
Speaker 2: in season twenty now even, but really modern ones. They
Speaker 2: have couch gags now where I'll bring in a you know,
Speaker 2: an artist to do this particular couch gag or a
Speaker 2: new director and it might go for like two and
Speaker 2: a half minutes. And I'm sitting here thinking, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 2: it's a short film as opposed to a couch gag.
Speaker 2: It's their way of padding them out.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: But the episode kicks off with Homer and Bart getting
Speaker 2: home from the video store. We got the popcorn.
Speaker 3: Did you get waiting to exhale?
Speaker 1: They put us on a waiting to exhale waiting list,
Speaker 1: but they said, don't hold your breast.
Speaker 2: I just think it's amazing that there was a time
Speaker 2: where you'd have to put your name down on a
Speaker 2: list to potentially hire a film, you know, down the line.
Speaker 2: Because now we just have everything at our fingertips. We
Speaker 2: can just I can pull up my phone and download
Speaker 2: and moving whenever I want you now and have it
Speaker 2: read to watch in five minutes. But there was a
Speaker 2: time where you have to go to a store and
Speaker 2: they tell you, sorry, we haven't got any copies in.
Speaker 2: You have to go put my name down, please wait
Speaker 2: for that phone call, then go back to the store,
Speaker 2: pick it up, return it, rewind it potentially. It was
Speaker 2: just crazy times you have to delay gratification like some caveman.
Speaker 2: It's just it was so much better it was.
Speaker 3: I mean again, it's classic. Like I'm nostalgic for a
Speaker 3: time I barely remember. But I just think every time
Speaker 3: I start a film now on TV, I'm like, are
Speaker 3: you sure this is the best film you could be watching?
Speaker 3: If there are literally so many a million others you
Speaker 3: could be watching right now, or a TV show, or
Speaker 3: read a book or put your phone on. It's just
Speaker 3: like just the idea of we've come back with this video.
Speaker 3: We paid nine dollars for it. We're fucking watching it
Speaker 3: three times, getting your money's worth. Whether you like it
Speaker 3: or not, we're watching it.
Speaker 2: But there wasn't that thrill though, of hiring something that
Speaker 2: you weren't quite sure about as well, and the excitement
Speaker 2: of getting home going I hope this is good, and
Speaker 2: then most often it wasn't. But you know, sometimes you'd
Speaker 2: find a classic and it would become your personal classic,
Speaker 2: like I love this for me. A movie that everyone
Speaker 2: hates but I love was called Mac and Me from
Speaker 2: the eighties, like an et rip off right, oh speak
Speaker 2: Paul Rudd always Paris parodies on Cone and he says,
Speaker 2: he's a clip for my movie, and he shows the
Speaker 2: clip of the kid in the wheelchair falling off a cliff.
Speaker 2: So that's Mac and Me. But for me, I was like,
Speaker 2: and you got to the point where the guy the
Speaker 2: video store said, you just want to keep it, mate,
Speaker 2: because no one else hires this movie.
Speaker 3: So fun.
Speaker 4: I was thinking had this last night actually, because you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of talk about the death of the
Speaker 4: mid budget movie, and everything's either a blockbuster of these
Speaker 4: days or a very small, sort of under the radar.
Speaker 2: Cult hit, niche thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, niche thing. But like these mid level movies
Speaker 4: still exists. You'll just find them on Disney Plus or
Speaker 4: on Prime or whatever. They don't have a lot of publicity.
Speaker 4: And I know, I thought, Okay, I'm going to run something.
Speaker 2: I've heard a little bit about. It could be garbage,
Speaker 2: but it could be.
Speaker 4: A little gem called any Meaning, starring Astralian actor Samara
Speaker 4: Weaver as this getaway driver. It's like a very sub
Speaker 4: Tarantino crime caper.
Speaker 2: It was garbage.
Speaker 4: I turned it off halfway thround, like I really don't
Speaker 4: have enough time left in my life for this bullshit.
Speaker 2: But in ninety ninety eight you would have committed to
Speaker 2: the whole things you paid for it. Quite possibly, that's
Speaker 2: the point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But at the same times, like, okay, but these gems
Speaker 4: might be out there. I've got to sort of not
Speaker 4: just say, oh, well, it's a new Avengers product or
Speaker 4: a new Star Wars product or something.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's all licenses now, isn't it.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know what this could be. This
Speaker 4: could be great, or it could be garbage. Turned out
Speaker 4: to be garbage, But what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: There's this idea in marketing they talk about like I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've heard this before. This might be
Speaker 3: very boring, but there's this thing called like maximizers and satisfies.
Speaker 3: You ever heard of these?
Speaker 2: I haven't tell me about. I'm interested.
Speaker 3: A maximizer is it's a way of thinking about something
Speaker 3: that you're buying or choosing. And a maximizer was like,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get the best possible thing possible, whereas
Speaker 3: a satisfier like I'm just looking for it to tick
Speaker 3: the following boxes. And it's fine. And this guy makes
Speaker 3: his point like there's a time when if you went
Speaker 3: out to buy a pair of jeans, you went to
Speaker 3: the Jeens store and you made the best decision with
Speaker 3: with what you had to choose from, and you went home,
Speaker 3: and if you didn't like the jeans, it was the
Speaker 3: Jens's fault, like it was whoever made the jeens. Whereas
Speaker 3: now you go to a Geen store and you have
Speaker 3: a million like bootcut, straight line, thin leg, whatever, blue, black, gray, navy,
Speaker 3: and if you've chosen the wrong one. It's on you,
Speaker 3: like you had the perfect pair of jeans in there somewhere,
Speaker 3: you just didn't pick them. And it feels the same
Speaker 3: way right where it's like it used to be okay
Speaker 3: with watching a garbage movie, like that wasn't a problem
Speaker 3: because you just did the best with what you had,
Speaker 3: Whereas now it's like, well, you could have watched something
Speaker 3: good and you didn't, so I guess you're an idiot
Speaker 3: and you dwell on it, oh for sure, and you
Speaker 3: just like, what a wasted three hours? I could have
Speaker 3: spent that watching the Simpsons for my podcast.
Speaker 2: So good versus good enough essentially?
Speaker 3: Oh for sure? Yeah? Yeah, like oh no, the best
Speaker 3: versus good enough?
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, my, just while we're doing mid level
Speaker 3: kind of like things that throw under the radar, have
Speaker 3: you guys seen Companion?
Speaker 2: Not yet?
Speaker 3: Fantastic it's on It's on HBO HBO Max, And it's
Speaker 3: one of those movies of like the less you know
Speaker 3: about it, the better. But it's kind of like near
Speaker 3: future sci fi sort of thing. It really really great.
Speaker 2: Loved it, And that name Companion is not what I
Speaker 2: relate to sci fi either. Yeah, it makes sense when
Speaker 2: you see it again. It's this weird thing, like even
Speaker 2: just seeing the poster kind of give something away a
Speaker 2: little bit. And I've kind of heard things about it,
Speaker 2: but I think if you go in totally totally blankets
Speaker 2: just I was like that with Galaxy Quest. You ever
Speaker 2: seen Galaxy Quest? No, if you like sci fi, check
Speaker 2: out Galaxy Quest. You'll absolutely love it. It's Tim Allen,
Speaker 2: it's nineteen ninety nine. I think it is. So you
Speaker 2: look at the post and your game and I aren't
Speaker 2: going to watch this, but no, it's it's a parody
Speaker 2: of sci fi essentially, but with love with heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tim al Sigourney Weaver and the late Alan Rickman.
Speaker 3: Interest Okay, because yeah, like I said, I saw Naked Gun,
Speaker 3: loved it and loved parodies growing up. Loved the Naked Gun,
Speaker 3: loved air Plane, loved the scare movie franchise. But I've
Speaker 3: never seen that. I've never seen space Balls either, which
Speaker 3: I believe is the other one people talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just reviewed Spaceballs on the Movie Guy with
Speaker 2: Lynda Malton, and it's yeah, it's oh really, it's got
Speaker 2: this nostalgia for it now, but it's not that great
Speaker 2: as it.
Speaker 4: It's when Melbo Brooks was starne to lose his speedball
Speaker 4: a little bit loser ball.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's fine. I mean, if you like Star Wars,
Speaker 2: you like it more. I guess you're yeah, you're Star
Speaker 2: Wars fan. No, yeah, then probably won't care.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: But Lisa, she wanted Emma, but of course somebody didn't
Speaker 2: get that. He got Joshua Logan's Paint Your Wagon and
Speaker 2: Shoo Up Western with Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin and
Speaker 2: Barton Hope. They're expecting bloody Mayhem, but instead they get
Speaker 2: a musical. You know, they're singing March. Why an't they
Speaker 2: killing each other? And there was that time, as we're discussing,
Speaker 2: you'd hire a movie and you're excited for what you
Speaker 2: thought it was going to be and it's just not that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a movie I always bring up and I know as
Speaker 2: we're gonna talking about it was my I would have
Speaker 2: been year nine birthday party, maybe fourteen ish, and there
Speaker 2: was a movie called Bloodsucking Freaks and it was sort
Speaker 2: of hid in this dark corner of the video store
Speaker 2: and the front cover looked awesome. It was like, you know,
Speaker 2: graphic design murder and whatnot. On the back cover there
Speaker 2: was naked women. I was like, this is perfect for
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old party, and we put it on
Speaker 2: and it was not what we were expecting. It was
Speaker 2: what is it?
Speaker 4: It's sort of like some weird indie art movie, but
Speaker 4: incredibly transgressive. It's like John Waters making a horror movie.
Speaker 2: All right. They torture women on stage and the people
Speaker 2: in the audience don't realize that they're actually killing the women,
Speaker 2: but they're just like women getting their arms cut off
Speaker 2: and things. We're sitting there going, who's gonna say it?
Speaker 2: This is? This is weird? Right, And suddenly we've talked
Speaker 2: about on the show in the past. How about you?
Speaker 4: If you're known as the film guy or you know,
Speaker 4: the person who likes pop culture in your sort of
Speaker 4: circle of friends or whatever, you're generally gonna be entrusted with, like, oh, guy,
Speaker 4: I'll bring us over a movie. And I've done this
Speaker 4: in the past where I brought over Hey, guys, I
Speaker 4: have for scaring a lot of pressure and it turns
Speaker 4: out to be something just wildly gross and in appropriate
Speaker 4: that just makes everyone feeling comfortable as opposed like a
Speaker 4: jump scare.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, what kind of.
Speaker 4: Sick freak are you that you brought this over and
Speaker 4: thought it would entertain this.
Speaker 3: There's just nothing worse when you put it on and
Speaker 3: you're kind of watching it through their eyes and you're like,
Speaker 3: I've made a horrible decision. Here just look it around,
Speaker 3: like please please like this bit, please like this bit.
Speaker 2: It's like when you're telling a story and you can
Speaker 2: tell halfway through the person you're talking to has no
Speaker 2: interest or any other like do I keep the story
Speaker 2: or just to stop?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then you get interrupted and you have to
Speaker 3: make the decision of whether you're going to revert it
Speaker 3: or not. If I just don't say anything else, will
Speaker 3: anyone bring up that I was in the middle of
Speaker 3: the third act of my story.
Speaker 4: It's a kin to when you, Yeah, you're sitting there
Speaker 4: to watch Netflix or something it's like or whatever with
Speaker 4: either your friends or your partner, and like, I'd like
Speaker 4: to show you this thing I really really enjoy They
Speaker 4: get to take a leak halfway through it, no need
Speaker 4: to stop, It's fine, Oh fuck, god damn it.
Speaker 2: What do you know for in your group? Like you're
Speaker 2: the what guy? Like I'm the Simpsons guy. He's the
Speaker 2: movie guy. What are you, tom Well?
Speaker 3: I mean, like, in my non comedy friends, I'm the
Speaker 3: comedy guy.
Speaker 2: A lot of your friends comedians? Or do you have
Speaker 2: like a separate group of friends who are comedians and
Speaker 2: separate group of friends who are not comedians?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, it's a funny thing about comedy writerers.
Speaker 3: You just spend so much time in the same spaces
Speaker 3: and around the same people. Like it's like any job, right, Like,
Speaker 3: you just spend so much time around those people. And
Speaker 3: I'm also I'm thirty two. A lot of my friends
Speaker 3: are having kids, Like I'm just I kind of have
Speaker 3: my school friends and the group that have kind of
Speaker 3: coalesced around that, and then I have my comedy friends.
Speaker 3: The difference is I see my comedy friends four times
Speaker 3: a week. Can I see my school friends twice a year?
Speaker 2: That's all you need?
Speaker 3: Though, right, Oh, it's a bit march actually, I'd like
Speaker 3: to get it down to one.
Speaker 4: Well, the stories that you repeat when you see your
Speaker 4: school friends, you know, they can get a little little
Speaker 4: stale if you're seeing each other twice a year, but
Speaker 4: once a year's do.
Speaker 2: You find you tweet the stories every time you tell them.
Speaker 2: Every time you retell something happened in year ten, is
Speaker 2: that something slightly different happened? The fish gets a little bigger.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe, I don't know. Like, I think it's funny
Speaker 3: how those stories they just get pushed further and further
Speaker 3: back into the recesses of your mind, Like I totally forgot,
Speaker 3: I haven't thought about that person or that thing and forever.
Speaker 3: My friend actually from the from the podcast, Dan Muggleson
Speaker 3: has this joke. I don't think he's ever been able
Speaker 3: to make it work your stage. I think it's so funny,
Speaker 3: he said to me. It was like, I think the
Speaker 3: best thing about having an affair was you get to
Speaker 3: pull out your old anecdotes again, Like and I'm noticing it.
Speaker 3: My sister's got a new boyfriend and I'm watching my
Speaker 3: parents do they're like their their classic hits at dinners
Speaker 3: when he's there, Like, oh fuck, we're hearing this again
Speaker 3: all right. The time my dad's got a hat trick
Speaker 3: at hockey and mom didn't watch. It's like, oh god,
Speaker 3: no one cares.
Speaker 2: I find I'm driving down the road and have my
Speaker 2: wife and I go, do you know what that? And
Speaker 2: my wife's like, yeah, I know You've told me every
Speaker 2: time we drive down this street, and I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I'm getting old.
Speaker 3: I'm all out of anecdotes. I have nothing left to contribute.
Speaker 4: You just see the lights that of leave your partnerspace
Speaker 4: every time. You're sort of recounty.
Speaker 2: But tell us how you met? Oh okay, well you've
Speaker 2: got you've got your rips. You do you do? You
Speaker 2: and your wife have a routine like for what sorry
Speaker 2: is like, hey you met on not my wife, not
Speaker 2: we We've got a routine down pat where we tell it.
Speaker 2: We know which who's gonna tell what part? What the
Speaker 2: zinger is? That kind of thing.
Speaker 3: No, I prefer that she joins the audience at that
Speaker 3: point and I'll tell the story.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I know your place, so I'll find it.
Speaker 2: Locked with comedians, a lot of them don't like to
Speaker 2: be out with at parties. Do you are you the opposite?
Speaker 2: Like when you go to a party, are you very
Speaker 2: social or do you sort of like trying to stand
Speaker 2: back let everyone else just do that kind of.
Speaker 3: If I'm at a party something already has gone wrong,
Speaker 3: I'd rather not be there at all. I don't know,
Speaker 3: like I'm not a because I also think the person
Speaker 3: I'm on stage, like, I'm not just telling stories from
Speaker 3: my life, I'm like telling a joke that I thought
Speaker 3: of very that I very specifically wrote. I'm very like
Speaker 3: introverted in especially in big groups. I'm the kind of
Speaker 3: guy more at a party, like I'll get stuck in
Speaker 3: one corner with one person for better or for worse,
Speaker 3: and then we'll either be awkward to leave or just
Speaker 3: like be too comfortable to meet anyone else. But no,
Speaker 3: I think, like my I think my wife just has
Speaker 3: a terrible mind for details, and it really frustrates me.
Speaker 3: She's like, and we're here, and like, no, we weren't.
Speaker 3: We were somewhere else. Let me take this. I've got
Speaker 3: it from here.
Speaker 2: Sit down.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so yeah, I think for my school friends,
Speaker 3: I'm the comedy guy. Like that's the thing now, which
Speaker 3: is interesting. I have some friends who listen to my
Speaker 3: podcast and they're like, it's really weird because it feels
Speaker 3: as if I know everything that's happening in your life
Speaker 3: and you have no idea what's happening in my And
Speaker 3: then for my comedy friends, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like, I'm probably you know, my comedy friends I'm
Speaker 3: the guy that has an actual job. Is probably the
Speaker 3: thing your job advertising.
Speaker 2: I thought it was something in marketing because you had
Speaker 2: your what was it, yeah, maximizers and your maximizing satisfiers.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a ted talk I watched a while ago.
Speaker 2: You know, all about a B testing. I'm assuming.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh it's all about a B testing. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm b personally, but yeah, it's yeah, Jesus crast.
Speaker 2: This conversation is over. I'm not submitted. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not trying to detegrate to the fine
Speaker 4: art and science of marketing and all that, but I
Speaker 4: was doing little research and finding out about a B testing.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, so you're basically giving his options. Yeah,
Speaker 4: giving us two options here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, god forbid, why you got a problem with that.
Speaker 2: Of this headline? But we could also try this one.
Speaker 3: Well, It's like, and again kind of this, the bigger
Speaker 3: kind of conversation happened around all this, and it goes
Speaker 3: back to the fact there are no mid tier kind
Speaker 3: of movies anymore, and we're just do the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, no one wants to take a risk, No
Speaker 3: one in any position of decision making wants to take
Speaker 3: a risk, so it's like I need data to prove
Speaker 3: that this is a good thing before I'm ever going
Speaker 3: to put my name next to it. It's the same
Speaker 3: reason it's like it's very hard to like become an
Speaker 3: overnight success or whatever in any in any kind of entertainment,
Speaker 3: any position of entertainment, whether it's comedy or music or whatever.
Speaker 3: The reps are waiting for the Internet to tell them
Speaker 3: that something is reliable, so they need data and evidence
Speaker 3: to be like no, no, no, this this is fine.
Speaker 3: This is going to be a hit. And if it is,
Speaker 3: and it's not on me, it's on the numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's the same with like, you know, advertising
Speaker 3: now is just like it's you don't really get as
Speaker 3: much of these like huge million dollar campaigns out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: like let's see how this goes. It's more like lots
Speaker 3: of little Facebook ads and if that works, will put
Speaker 3: more money into it. Then we'll turn into the TV
Speaker 3: and if that works, we'll buy some billboards. It's much
Speaker 3: more risk averse across everything.
Speaker 2: I think does being a comedian help with your work?
Speaker 2: Do you think being able to just talk to people
Speaker 2: just sort of be charming.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the skills are similar. I think,
Speaker 3: especially like people in advertising love saying that stand up
Speaker 3: comedians are sort of like they they are the best
Speaker 3: example of what advertising should be because they're observers of
Speaker 3: human behavior and whatever. But I think it's like it's
Speaker 3: all the same thing, right, which is noticing something interesting
Speaker 3: and saying it in an interesting way is kind of
Speaker 3: what advertising seeks to do.
Speaker 4: I think, Well, you're trying to bring people around your
Speaker 4: way of thinking in a lot of ways. Yeah, in
Speaker 4: both ways, be persuasive.
Speaker 3: You're constructed. Yeah, in some cases you're constructing an argument.
Speaker 3: In others you like, you're just trying to say something
Speaker 3: in a way that will make people stop and pay
Speaker 3: attention to that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting back to the episodes where Lee Marvin right,
Speaker 2: and despite him being always drunk and violent, Tho sings.
Speaker 1: Who that Lee mar of them could do such marvelous sports,
Speaker 1: He's dreamy.
Speaker 2: Why did they have to screw up a perfectly serviceable
Speaker 2: wagon story with all that fruity singing?
Speaker 3: I thought it was to talping fun.
Speaker 2: Singing is the lowest form of communication. Are you singing
Speaker 2: all the time? No? I don't I hate to rhyme.
Speaker 2: You like musicals, don't you, Dad?
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I think they're bad. They're fake and phony and totally wrong.
Speaker 2: Wake up, Dad, you're singing us song. Now we've noticed
Speaker 2: reviewing the SIMS is obviously the first twenty seasons a
Speaker 2: lot of mentions of the word fruity, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Well, it's the polite version of the F word, shall
Speaker 4: we say? It's the version you can get away with
Speaker 4: in prime time?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is. Yeah. But then he breaks out and
Speaker 2: singing as well, and Marge puts in some VHS tapes
Speaker 2: to show him clips of him singing in the past.
Speaker 2: We've got the b Shop song, and we put the
Speaker 2: Spring in spring Ford, which is my personal favorite as well.
Speaker 2: But then Bart calls him the lame miserable. Was he
Speaker 2: call him the lame misrab la? Yeah, he's as lame
Speaker 2: as a brother, as as Lee Marvin. Then Homer chokes him,
Speaker 2: which is a gay. They don't really do anymore, do they.
Speaker 2: We have a season twenty and the sort of stop
Speaker 2: that they've gone air it just seems a bit maybe
Speaker 2: a bit too cartoon, yeah, or a little too close
Speaker 2: to home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, possibly there was like a little bit of controversy
Speaker 3: about the choking after a while, right, like it became
Speaker 3: the thing that people were not impressed with.
Speaker 2: But in this time or just now, because people like
Speaker 2: to be offended about many things.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think over time. I think if you
Speaker 3: guys are noticing it, around season twenty, I feel like
Speaker 3: I remember there being some discussions about whether or not
Speaker 3: that was an appropriate thing to be putting on television.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that we were reaching a stage where
Speaker 4: it was either this is inappropriate or it just hackeneings
Speaker 4: just played out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that you know, in an episode where
Speaker 3: Homer call Singing gay, we're more worried about the cartoon violence.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, I think it's the same people who
Speaker 2: you know, he said those articles where they go I
Speaker 2: just watched Friends for the first time, and it's very complicated.
Speaker 2: It's like it was releasing the nineties. Can we just
Speaker 2: calm down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's the same as it speaks lother thing, right, Like,
Speaker 3: can you believe that they were willing to put that
Speaker 3: thing on TV that we all really enjoyed for a while, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we all watched it, we all had a great time.
Speaker 2: How dare we.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: slash four finger Discount. But yeah, so this is where
Speaker 2: Bart mox Homer. Then they show clips of him singing
Speaker 2: the boy Scouts in the Hood song, which is Springfield Springfield?
Speaker 2: What's that? A parody of New York York from on
Speaker 2: the Town, I believe the Mickuman he says, it's more
Speaker 2: of a millhouse thing. But this is where our man's
Speaker 2: snake enters. And yeah, it just it just felt completely
Speaker 2: forged ind in it, just like, you know, we have
Speaker 2: to get something happening, so his snake, we need connective tissue. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then but then we come back from the commercial
Speaker 2: and he starts they start singing, and he just leaves,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, and I read on wiki how
Speaker 2: they thought that was a funny game because it's almost
Speaker 2: like a screw you to the audience, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: we're already putting a clip show on the last thing
Speaker 2: you want to be doing is screwing the audience. Right,
Speaker 2: what does he does?
Speaker 3: He leave because he's out of bullets? Is that why
Speaker 3: he leaves?
Speaker 2: No, he goes. It's just too weird that you guys
Speaker 2: are singing I'm going to leave. That's the first time
Speaker 2: he leaves. All right, Yeah, so you make you way
Speaker 2: too weird to be hostages when you're singing at me,
Speaker 2: someone's going to leave, and then home is actually sad
Speaker 2: that he that he's left. At least the points out
Speaker 2: that a lot of people in Springfield sing their songs.
Speaker 2: Is where we get the who needs the Quickie Mark song?
Speaker 2: We get the sending the Clowns, Crusty, the Clown Special,
Speaker 2: and the Semi Vest, which you would have been a
Speaker 2: fan of I as a kid. See, I wasn't a
Speaker 2: bit in the Beast fan when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I never really watched those early I think I may
Speaker 2: have watched The Little Mermaid, but I was the first
Speaker 2: Disney film Michael remembers like a Laddin and Lion King
Speaker 2: so I had no idea that this was a Disney parody.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I probably kind of knew it, but
Speaker 3: I don't think of it as one. I couldn't tell
Speaker 3: you any of the lyrics have been my guest apart
Speaker 3: from being my guest, but I could tell you all
Speaker 3: the lyrics.
Speaker 2: To And that's why I think a lot of the
Speaker 2: Simpons parodies work, because that does work in their own
Speaker 2: right as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I actually sorry to backtrack. I just want
Speaker 3: to bring this up because I had this for my
Speaker 3: Like again, I don't think many of the lyrics and
Speaker 3: these songs are out and that funny. Like, I think
Speaker 3: they're very clever, and I think they're well written. But
Speaker 3: I do think in we put the Spring in Springfield,
Speaker 3: the opening line of you could close down modes of
Speaker 3: the quickie mart and nobody would care very funny.
Speaker 2: And he's like looking around, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: I've must have been I've got a big laugh out
Speaker 4: of who needs the quickie mark? Where I think it's
Speaker 4: some I pose things. I'm sorry about the salmonell and moment.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's okay, that's okay again one of those
Speaker 3: things when I was a kid, I think I had
Speaker 3: no idea what Salmonell was, and in hindsight, you're right,
Speaker 3: it's like, Wow, he's very nonchalant.
Speaker 2: Someone now it's just a fun word to say. It's
Speaker 2: almost like the salsa gag on. So you a Seinfeld fan?
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. No, I'm not, And I
Speaker 3: don't really know why. Everyone who I know who loves
Speaker 3: Seinfeld has the same taste that I do. I just
Speaker 3: never really got into it. Big Friend's household, Bill, big
Speaker 3: Will and Gray's Household, not Segnfeld.
Speaker 2: We had gooxy on and he was the same. He's like,
Speaker 2: all my friends love Seinfeld and he goes as a comedian.
Speaker 2: You almost feel like you have to say that you
Speaker 2: are a fan of Signfeld otherwise people will look down
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we're putting Tom down as a guest for
Speaker 4: going down to South Park, not for talking sign podcast.
Speaker 2: Of course, every Day Wear House all. That's how we
Speaker 2: pay our mortgage. Mate, what shows that people like growing
Speaker 2: up on? Yes, so this is where what happens after this?
Speaker 2: We've got those songs yet, Lisa then says, because they
Speaker 2: overheard him sing mister Burns singing the song that's but
Speaker 2: I save the puppies and busses it, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: worth seeing him to do the song and dance. But
Speaker 2: this is where Snake re enters.
Speaker 3: I'm back, sir, resume wearding your pounds.
Speaker 1: Okay, because of you all, I got a tune in
Speaker 1: my head and the only way to stop it is
Speaker 1: to make you all dead.
Speaker 2: I knew I should have shut dead window. We come back,
Speaker 2: and this is where Snake pulls the trigger on all
Speaker 2: of them and realizes he has no AMMO. But so
Speaker 2: this is where Snake's left again, and Homer says, even
Speaker 2: the criminals are beginning to kroon. This is where we
Speaker 2: get the clips of the Monorail song, the Garden of Eden,
Speaker 2: where Bart from bart Selsey Soul, and we get the
Speaker 2: Stonecutter song. And honestly, like I know you said before,
Speaker 2: you love the Stonecutter SONGE know you're a big fan.
Speaker 2: I've never quite loved the Stonecutter song as much as
Speaker 2: everybody else, and I can't exactly pinpoint why. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: because everyone loves it, I don't know, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Just it's fun to sing, but I just I'm just
Speaker 2: never been a huge fan as much as everybody else.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love that episode and I love the
Speaker 3: Stonecutters as a thing. Like imb it's yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have a memory. I'm looking out my my my
Speaker 3: marathon choices and it wasn't in there, and I think
Speaker 3: maybe it should be. But like I loved all of
Speaker 3: the little like the ring that opens the vending machine
Speaker 3: and the secret doorway with the you know, the tunnel
Speaker 3: straight through to work, like all that stuff. So I
Speaker 3: don't know whether it's just like the episode as a whole,
Speaker 3: and that song is emblematic of it. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know why. I just I do really like it.
Speaker 4: This sounds like someone who believes in the Illuminati.
Speaker 3: Tom Well, yeah, someone who's done their research.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you did the Red Stonecutters for me. That
Speaker 2: episode is one I always throw to people when they
Speaker 2: go they ruined canon, you know, the principle and the
Speaker 2: porpi you brought up earlier. How people say that so
Speaker 2: with the show went downhill because they retconned a character,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and I go, have you watched the
Speaker 2: stone Cutters episode. There's no reference to the Stonecutters after that. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: canon doesn't exist in the Simpsons when you really think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is true. Yeah, every episode is kind
Speaker 3: of a clean slate.
Speaker 4: I think it's one of the insidious things about current
Speaker 4: pop culture is the reliance on law and canon or
Speaker 4: just strict adherence to It's like, man, just let a
Speaker 4: story be a story.
Speaker 3: Well even I mean, if you look at again, this
Speaker 3: is much more in the new world of it. But
Speaker 3: I like how every ten years they do a margin
Speaker 3: Homer kind of origins episode and it's in a different decade. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I think they obviously that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The problem with canon is I was like, once you've
Speaker 3: had the same characters with the same age for thirty
Speaker 3: five years or however long, like you kind of need
Speaker 3: to start throwing some stuff out.
Speaker 2: Surely, well, there's new kids watching the show, and it
Speaker 2: would make sense to them that the Simpsons would have
Speaker 2: been growing up in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well there's an episode called that ninety Show which
Speaker 2: is where Homer forms the grunge band. Do you remember
Speaker 2: that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Vaguely. They're kind of like Nirvana esque, right.
Speaker 2: Fucking hate that episode. We really liked it. We both
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: But is that again because they're kind of doing a
Speaker 3: reboot because they've done other episodes of like their sort
Speaker 3: of margin Homer getting Together, right, and that was more
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, So I guess it's maybe that that
Speaker 3: people feel like their version of events is being attacked
Speaker 3: or something, or people.
Speaker 2: Were saying it's just it doesn't make sense that why
Speaker 2: we watched the Simpsons in the nineties, so how could
Speaker 2: they possibly be teens in the nineties, and like because
Speaker 2: it's a fucking cartoon calming. Yeah, Like I thought, it
Speaker 2: was just really interesting seeing the Simpsons living through the
Speaker 2: era of the nineties mm because we had what like
Speaker 2: glycerine was this track they used it or he had
Speaker 2: his own version of Glysteren but it's just they watching
Speaker 2: Signe Fad on TV, and it was just weird seeing
Speaker 2: the Simpsons living in the nineties but in it from
Speaker 2: a nostalgic aspect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you guys do a BoJack
Speaker 3: Horseman podcast.
Speaker 2: But we're thinking about it. We've been told we should
Speaker 2: because they do that great like throwback gag.
Speaker 3: If they do an eighties, they do a nineties, they
Speaker 3: do it two thousands and each one, and they have
Speaker 3: like the little moments that they trade off from one another.
Speaker 3: I think it's fun.
Speaker 2: Like, we've just launched a Bob's Burgers one, so maybe
Speaker 2: BoJack can be next. Maybe for TV Launch pod, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got another podcast where we just review the pot.
Speaker 3: How many podcasts do you have? This is insane? Like
Speaker 3: eight that's crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of It's now just we've got we
Speaker 2: review the first few seasons, throw them out there, and
Speaker 2: then if you want to hear the rest of you
Speaker 2: to subscribe on Patreon.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, summer on hiatus. Yeah, you know, we'll let the
Speaker 2: patrons well for this month. We're going to be reviewing
Speaker 2: this show for the next three months or whatever. But
Speaker 2: what was like, what was I going to say? I
Speaker 2: can't remember. We've got another show called TV Launch but
Speaker 2: where we just review the pilot episodes of shows. It's
Speaker 2: something different each week, and sometimes we don't know what
Speaker 2: the show's about, and it's like, we keep watching this show.
Speaker 2: If we watched this episode, was this a successful pilot? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Interesting? What are the best pilots? What have been the
Speaker 3: I think We're Wreaking Bad is one of my favorite parakings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're on the X Miles pilots. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think we're pretty big on the Wire pilot, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was no sorry the Shield, the Shield pilot.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I tried to after I loved Breaking Bad,
Speaker 3: I watched it endlessly, Like I think I've watched the
Speaker 3: whole thing through at least five times. And the Shield
Speaker 3: and the Sopranos and the Wire the ones people always
Speaker 3: bring up as the sort of like, you know, the
Speaker 3: genesis of that ended up with Breaking Bad. So I
Speaker 3: remember trying to watch The Shield for a while and
Speaker 3: kind of lost interest, but but I vaguely enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Have you seen The Wire?
Speaker 3: I haven't, And I like I tried to say, I know,
Speaker 3: I really should, I should just I should just do
Speaker 3: it now that HBO Max.
Speaker 2: Is the thing, yeah, and every season is different, but okay,
Speaker 2: they did they add to the cast, but it's like this,
Speaker 2: that original cast still exists, but so it's main They've
Speaker 2: got the main cop cast, but then all the side
Speaker 2: characters they're off doing their thing, but they'll slowly sort
Speaker 2: of come back and it just builds into this giant
Speaker 2: city of characters. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, And as a contrast, if we're spooking HBO
Speaker 4: Max friend of the pod. May I make my old
Speaker 4: man Generation X case for SOW called Moonlighting? Okay, from
Speaker 4: the mid eighties, Bruce my man, Bruce Willis introducing Bruce
Speaker 4: Willis to the world.
Speaker 3: Bruce Willis on TV.
Speaker 2: Oh my, have you never heard of this? He started
Speaker 2: on television.
Speaker 3: I had no idea.
Speaker 2: It is Bruce Willis with hair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, romantic comedy set in the Detective Agency, where yeah,
Speaker 4: Bruce Willison, Sybil Shepherd. Will they want or won't they?
Speaker 4: Frenemies slash lovers?
Speaker 3: Man this size first time we're all there on that hairline, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, thank god, he looks fantastic bald, What a
Speaker 3: what an absolute asset to have?
Speaker 2: You know, I can relate.
Speaker 4: Honestly, Yeah, because this is a show that came out
Speaker 4: when I was a teenager, when I was about sixteen
Speaker 4: or seventeen, and I remember thinking everyceeding hell, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be so bad, lucky, It's not going to happen to me.
Speaker 4: And then of course in you mid twenties, like, oh no,
Speaker 4: I'm going the way of all Willis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Look, don't go much further than maybe season two and
Speaker 4: a half. But it really sort of goes off the rails.
Speaker 4: But certainly the first two seasons are just fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right. But but Homer says, Marge is now
Speaker 2: convincing that there's more terrible things than musical. Comedy is
Speaker 2: where everyone sings. And that's when a long running series
Speaker 2: does a cheesy clip show. I guess they always pike
Speaker 2: fund of themselves and they do clip shows. This is
Speaker 2: their way of saying sorry to the audience. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit of an escape patch of themselves. A
Speaker 2: bit of self awareness goes a long way, Yeah, Snake.
Speaker 3: So it's funny, isn't it that I think like there
Speaker 3: was a long period of time where just being self
Speaker 3: aware was more than enough for those things, and we
Speaker 3: were like, oh, well, at least they call it out,
Speaker 3: whereas I think that has just been done to death now.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, you still did it.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you can't just bring it up and assume
Speaker 3: that it's all okay. Now, Yes, I do not accept
Speaker 3: your apology. Yeah, an apology. It was just like, well,
Speaker 3: at least we know. But Snake returns, they say they're
Speaker 3: done now, so he leaves. He has no beef of them.
Speaker 3: Margined and asked who wants dinner. They all run off
Speaker 3: and as she's closing the window, she's humming a tunes.
Speaker 3: So Snake shoots the window out and that's the end
Speaker 3: of the episode. Well almost, given that you have the credits.
Speaker 3: What happens at the credits, Well, miss and Snake is
Speaker 3: not happy about this, Like, I can still hear this music,
Speaker 3: maw Well, I think I've ever listened to the credits
Speaker 3: full episode, because I yes, I as it ended, I
Speaker 3: was like, is this where this happens? And yeah, he starts,
Speaker 3: he starts shooting at the credits at the great film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they very sneakily try to put put the
Speaker 4: volume up during the k Yeah you.
Speaker 2: Can still hear it, man, Yeah, you two greasy films.
Speaker 3: Al right in the way?
Speaker 2: Was was that a great snake or a terrible snake?
Speaker 2: That was that was a mid tier snake?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's so funny because your reaction made it to
Speaker 3: that makes it seem like you're expecting a compliment, because
Speaker 3: I've got to say, by saying mid tier, that felt
Speaker 3: general to me. And you were still offended by that
Speaker 3: stetory of my life. You were offended by the lack
Speaker 3: of a compliment on that stake impression.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so let's look, that's the end of I'm
Speaker 2: All Seeing All Dancing episode that we you know, it
Speaker 2: was fine, it's a clip show. What are you going
Speaker 2: to do about it? But let's talk about the specials
Speaker 2: that you've got available on YouTube. Do you have any
Speaker 2: specials coming up that we should be looking out for.
Speaker 3: I have a new special come out.
Speaker 2: When will this?
Speaker 3: When will this be put out?
Speaker 2: When would you like it to come out?
Speaker 3: Well, I have a special coming out on the eleventh
Speaker 3: of September, so this.
Speaker 2: Would be out, So this would be out soon because
Speaker 2: I'm sure this comes out before that date.
Speaker 3: Fantastic, So on YouTube on September eleventh, I have a
Speaker 3: special called Selfie's at the nine to eleven Museum, hence
Speaker 3: the release date, so I would love for people to
Speaker 3: go and check that out. And then I have to
Speaker 3: have the full length specially Ignorant and Problematic, both of
Speaker 3: my YouTube and then the fog Kevin podcast in new
Speaker 3: episodes every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about like your comedy, right, so you
Speaker 2: know you're releasing it on September eleven, What is like?
Speaker 2: What does your mom say about this kind of edgy
Speaker 2: tom is she like, is she just used to it
Speaker 2: by now?
Speaker 3: My parents my parents love it. But my parents have
Speaker 3: similar senses if you here, like, I think they kind
Speaker 3: of get it.
Speaker 2: Said, they're like Simpson. So yeah, and my dad like
Speaker 2: my my My biggest.
Speaker 3: Memory of my dad laughing. You know that's because I've
Speaker 3: been bringing Family Guy up a lot, but you guys haven't.
Speaker 3: So I imagined maybe it is you guys into that, and.
Speaker 2: I just stopped watching it. Never went back to it.
Speaker 2: Not really my bag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so early on, there's that you remember, there's
Speaker 3: that hipp acac scene where they all they drink the
Speaker 3: there's like a tincture that makes you vomit. It's for
Speaker 3: when people in Majestic poison whatever, and they do a
Speaker 3: competition where they all drink it and they have to
Speaker 3: see who can last longer without throwing up, and they
Speaker 3: just spend up throwing up all over each other for
Speaker 3: about two minutes. And I just have a memory of
Speaker 3: my dad just pissing himself at that, Like no matter
Speaker 3: how many times they've seen it, Like, my dad was
Speaker 3: the Family Guy DVDs for Christmas every year, So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So they're all well into this stuff and they like
Speaker 3: that stuff, and I think they're all fine with it.
Speaker 3: I also think you are more likely to enjoy what
Speaker 3: I do if you've already brought into the idea that
Speaker 3: I'm a good guy and I think my mum is
Speaker 3: all be there. I think it's more of like you
Speaker 3: see it for the first time, and some people are like,
Speaker 3: is he is he serious? Does he really feel? Does
Speaker 3: he really think? All these things? So that's the kind
Speaker 3: of challenge of anyone who does the kind of comedy
Speaker 3: that I do, is you really need people to buy
Speaker 3: in that this is a joke and it's all done
Speaker 3: in good faith and it's done for the right reasons,
Speaker 3: because it's often not right. And I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of my responsibility as a comedian is to make people
Speaker 3: feel that way and make them know how I actually
Speaker 3: feel versus what I'm saying just the stir shit.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: I'm not about to name any names or anything like that,
Speaker 4: but there are certain YouTubers perhaps who will say quite
Speaker 4: inflammatory things under the guise of well, I'm just asking
Speaker 4: questions and things like that. I get the feeling you're
Speaker 4: trying to you know, do a bit of a juxtaposition here,
Speaker 4: but really, I think this is actually just what you think.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. And yeah, I think there's versions
Speaker 3: of that as well, where it's like I'm just saying
Speaker 3: I think some comedians have wanted to be taken seriously
Speaker 3: in certain formats and not seriously in other formats, and
Speaker 3: I think that becomes a problem right where you're like, well,
Speaker 3: over here is where I share my opinions, but over
Speaker 3: here is where I'm just being funny, And it's like,
Speaker 3: but they always kind of conflate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've been Diagram's kind of a circle there, buddy,
Speaker 4: after a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, I think you just need to kind
Speaker 3: of hope people know you're coming from the right place
Speaker 3: and that you don't actually think the horrible things you're thinking.
Speaker 2: You're saying, you don't come across like you're just going
Speaker 2: up on the stage and ranting. It's clearly that you're
Speaker 2: setting up punchlines here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think that also helps, is
Speaker 3: like my stuff is so clearly a joke, not in
Speaker 3: the intention, but in like the format. It is very
Speaker 3: much like set up punchline sort of stuff. So hopefully
Speaker 3: that makes it obvious.
Speaker 4: This is I don't really I mean, we can probably
Speaker 4: edit this out. What do you think of a guy, NA,
Speaker 4: are you aware of going named Anthony Jesslnik?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Jesslinic. Jesslnick was probably like one of
Speaker 3: my biggest influences.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, that's the vibe that I'm getting when
Speaker 2: I was watching. When I was watching Problematic as well.
Speaker 3: I had to be very careful not to just be
Speaker 3: jess Onnick because he's so specific. So and you think
Speaker 3: about what he does, like he was an English major
Speaker 3: at university, and he loved Brettie Snellis and American Psycho
Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff, and you can see
Speaker 3: like he kind of is he He talks about how
Speaker 3: his comedy is kind of like a horror movie, and
Speaker 3: I think I love that. I love comedians who don't
Speaker 3: exist in the same world as the rest of us,
Speaker 3: as in, like Jesslink's character couldn't fit in in the
Speaker 3: in the real world because he's like a serial killer, slash.
Speaker 2: You know, absolute sociopath.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So I love that. I love j Just's
Speaker 3: He's fantastic.
Speaker 2: It makes sense he's an English major. His book recommendations
Speaker 2: are fantastic.
Speaker 3: I've been doing that too recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, guy, he just became best friends.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe where can your snake impression? We'll get there.
Speaker 2: Can you get a snake impression?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not? But I know my I know my.
Speaker 4: To quote Clarice, what a man's got to know his limitation, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I clearly do not.
Speaker 3: I did a I did a joke recently on stage
Speaker 3: where I did a German accent and I came off
Speaker 3: stage it didn't and it didn't go great, And I
Speaker 3: came uf stage and I said to my friends, like,
Speaker 3: I feel like every time I do an accent on stage,
Speaker 3: everyone in the audience is going he doesn't want to
Speaker 3: do that accent. He knows he doesn't feel comfortable doing
Speaker 3: this out.
Speaker 2: How do you handle when a job not, when a
Speaker 2: joke bombs, when it just doesn't give get the reaction
Speaker 2: you expected it or do you just go in not
Speaker 2: expecting your gags to get a great reaction and then
Speaker 2: that way it depends.
Speaker 3: So if you've done the joke a lot and you
Speaker 3: know it's hit rate, like there are certain you have
Speaker 3: your set and you're like, okay, this is as close
Speaker 3: to a sure thing as.
Speaker 2: I have who do you test on before you do that.
Speaker 3: Oh, there is a period of time. There is a
Speaker 3: time where you just have to tell an audience for
Speaker 3: the first time and you just have to swallow the consequences.
Speaker 3: So if it's something that you trust and you've done
Speaker 3: it a lot of times, an audience doesn't laugh, you
Speaker 3: are learning something about the audience. And I probably then
Speaker 3: am less precious about their responses to anything, because I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: you didn't laugh at the thing that always works, and
Speaker 3: therefore you're just gonna be a hard crowd. I'll try
Speaker 3: when you have a bit if I don't, like I
Speaker 3: was playing a hard game to start with. But then
Speaker 3: there's the other thing, which is what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: which is like, I have this thing I think it's
Speaker 3: so funny, and then you say it to a crowd
Speaker 3: the first time and they disagree and you're just like, well,
Speaker 3: I guess I was wrong, or you have to try
Speaker 3: it again or whatever. But there is it's frustrating when
Speaker 3: you think you have a slam dunk and they're just
Speaker 3: not interested at all. You have to kind of like
Speaker 3: work out what it was. Was it like, did they
Speaker 3: not understand what I was trying to say, did they
Speaker 3: not know where to laugh? Did they think what I
Speaker 3: said was too offensive or whatever? You got to kind
Speaker 3: of reverse engineer where where the mark was missed?
Speaker 2: Am I so out of touch? Or as the audience wrong?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're children who are wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one thing I did like I'm im it
Speaker 4: might have been a problematic. But where you display either
Speaker 4: the confidence or the faux confidence to be like, I've
Speaker 4: got no idea why you didn't like that? That absolutely
Speaker 4: slays or does that? I think it's fantastic, clearly. Yeah again,
Speaker 4: clearland the children are wrong.
Speaker 3: There are times where you're just like, really, you didn't
Speaker 3: like that? That's weird.
Speaker 2: People seem to like that, and that can work as
Speaker 2: a joke in itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sometimes you just need to call it out.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, if you have the confidence
Speaker 3: to be like, no, I trust me. I think I know.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, do you call that out when
Speaker 2: the audience doesn't respond or do you just move on?
Speaker 3: Depends? I think sometimes if you call out how bad
Speaker 3: it's going, it can go either way, like, because sometimes
Speaker 3: it can just serve to remind people that it's going badly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh is it you be like, you
Speaker 3: guys hate this and they go, oh do we Okay,
Speaker 3: I guess we'll keep hating it then, Whereas there are
Speaker 3: other times where you can kind of play with it,
Speaker 3: especially if like you've been good, you know, you've made
Speaker 3: them laugh before, and then you don't. You can kind
Speaker 3: of play with that.
Speaker 2: Your self deprecations. Yeah, like a bit of Russian roulette sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have the ever been like downfalls of being a stand
Speaker 2: up comedian that you weren't prepared.
Speaker 3: For or expected in like life more broadly, or.
Speaker 2: In anything, whether it be performing on stage or just
Speaker 2: how your social circle handle treats you because now you're
Speaker 2: a comedian? No, is it the life you expected? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I think, do you feel.
Speaker 2: The need to have to be funny when you're around
Speaker 2: your non comedian friends?
Speaker 3: No? Not really. I think I do think being a
Speaker 3: comedian has made me funnier in general, just because you
Speaker 3: kind of understand the structure of jokes a little bit
Speaker 3: better and you can kind of talk in them a
Speaker 3: little bit, sort of like you get better at an instrument,
Speaker 3: You can improve more freely, even though that's not what
Speaker 3: you you don't go on stage and revise every night.
Speaker 3: But you kind of you know what notes to hit
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know the structures do.
Speaker 2: You find it? You just do that naturally. Now it's
Speaker 2: just you because you are more learned and you're more
Speaker 2: experienced with being doing the stand up that you just
Speaker 2: everything you say comes out as a joke, even whether
Speaker 2: you mean.
Speaker 3: It or not. Not always, but I think, you know, like,
Speaker 3: if I'm going to say this to be the funniest
Speaker 3: way as possible, I need this word to be the end,
Speaker 3: and I need the rhythm to be there, and that
Speaker 3: would and sometimes you it's it's embarrassing, but you walk
Speaker 3: away from conversation where you've said something, you said a
Speaker 3: joke in passing, and I walk away and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I should have said it this way. If I'd said,
Speaker 3: if I said this at the end is stead of that,
Speaker 3: that would have landed a little bit better. But I
Speaker 3: don't know. I think probably the most unexpected thing, and
Speaker 3: it's because it wasn't the case when I started. It's like,
Speaker 3: how online maybe, I mean, this is your career right,
Speaker 3: how online you have to be and putting things out
Speaker 3: and feeling the need to understand social content and trends
Speaker 3: and podcasts and all of these things like that has
Speaker 3: I wasn't really expecting that going in, and there's and
Speaker 3: there's there's positive negatives, right, Like you have a thing
Speaker 3: that goes online and goes really well. There's a huge
Speaker 3: dopamine hit to that, and that's very exciting. And people
Speaker 3: you get fans, which is kind of bizarre, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't really you kind of think you're
Speaker 3: gonna be huge whatever you don't think about. Just the
Speaker 3: reality is if there's a person out there who thinks
Speaker 3: what I do is really great and looks forward to
Speaker 3: the thing I put out, and that's just a weird
Speaker 3: relationship to have to someone that you don't think about
Speaker 3: when you set out to do it. Yeah, oh it's
Speaker 3: gonna be great, you guys. I'm sure if you guys
Speaker 3: start like nine or ten more podcasts I reckon, you
Speaker 3: might find someone starting to really dig it.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes we do get emails of people saying, you know,
Speaker 2: I was in hospital for six weeks and your podcast
Speaker 2: got me through it. And sometimes you forget that you're
Speaker 2: not just throwing this shit out into the wall and
Speaker 2: just seeing what happens, like you know, just going into
Speaker 2: the universe and nothing's happening. People are absorbing what you're
Speaker 2: throwing out there, and it does affect people for sure.
Speaker 3: And I think unfortunately it's that kind of hedonic treadmill
Speaker 3: thing of whatever you have. Wouldn't you know it's actually
Speaker 3: favorite simce it's quote I'd trade it all. I'd trade
Speaker 3: it all in for a little more like it's it's
Speaker 3: you know I have. You know, with our podcast, we've
Speaker 3: we've sort of you start to plateau as happens and
Speaker 3: you go, God, it's so annoying. I would I just
Speaker 3: wish we'd hit and there was a period of time
Speaker 3: where the numbers we're getting now I would have killed
Speaker 3: for and I think it's with all this stuff, like you,
Speaker 3: you always the grass is always green. It would always
Speaker 3: be better for just a little bit more than this
Speaker 3: would be great, though, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember our very first podcast a different co host,
Speaker 2: Ray maybe back in the beginning, and it was thirteen downloads,
Speaker 2: and you went, I'm not doing it anymore, Like mate,
Speaker 2: just just keep doing it, Just keep doing it. And
Speaker 2: now it's like nearly ten million, you know, So it's
Speaker 2: just persist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is all of attrition, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It is? Indeed, But before we go, let you leave,
Speaker 2: We've got a question for you. We asked this for
Speaker 2: all of our guests. Now it's nineteen ninety eight. Channel
Speaker 2: ten have called you up. They said, Tom, we're gonna
Speaker 2: be putting together a Simpsons marathon on a on a
Speaker 2: Friday night. Five episodes? What episodes are you given us?
Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, so I it's a hard one, right,
Speaker 2: there's no perfect five. So I just kind of picked
Speaker 2: tried to pick some that I thought were kind of
Speaker 2: reflective of me. More generally, I love the Hank Scorpio
Speaker 2: episode You Only Move Twice.
Speaker 3: I think I love all of that. I think again,
Speaker 3: I think I've probably chosen as everything you said earlier
Speaker 3: in the episode, he's kind of like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if it counts genre bending, but the ones where they
Speaker 3: sort of feel like there are kind of a step
Speaker 3: removed from the everyday Springfield stuff.
Speaker 2: The Symptoms are the only Springfield characters that appear and
Speaker 2: after the first couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, right, that makes sense. But yeah, it's I
Speaker 3: like that sort of the new world that they're in
Speaker 3: in that new town. I love Hank Scorpio. I think
Speaker 3: he's very funny. Well yeah, all the little like kind
Speaker 3: of bond asides throughout I think are very funny.
Speaker 2: Albert Brooks as as Hank, Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Basically, let I say, here, just speaking to the microphone
Speaker 2: for two hours and we'll work around it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, cool. And then I had a fish called Selma.
Speaker 3: I like, I say, I love Phil Hartman, and I
Speaker 3: really like Troy McClure.
Speaker 2: That Planet of the Apes play is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. Actually to the songs
Speaker 3: that didn't end up like I do, I do really
Speaker 3: like doctors as and Chimpannee to Chimpanzee, Like.
Speaker 2: That's so good.
Speaker 3: A lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we got that from Phil before he
Speaker 2: left us. Mm yeah, yeah, I think taking from us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were such those two characters. I'm right about that, right,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely Lionel Hudson Promic Clau. They're just like four
Speaker 2: sort of what easily could have been kind of background characters.
Speaker 2: So so many great moments, so many great lions, which
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of. I have much a power
Speaker 2: about nothing, which is probably again just back to that.
Speaker 2: It is at one line the someone my idea, how I,
Speaker 2: which I think is a great line, but it also
Speaker 2: just has a bit of a meaning for me.
Speaker 3: That's the immigrants one, right, yeah, yeah, immigrants, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I saw actually I saw that meme recently where
Speaker 3: they're asking, you know, what were the what was the
Speaker 3: cause of the Civil War? Just just say slavery, itchy
Speaker 3: and scratchy land. Again, I just I like I like
Speaker 3: that world. I like being on the chee scratch I
Speaker 3: like where nothing can ever possibly go wrong, and that's
Speaker 3: the first.
Speaker 2: Thing that ever went wrong. It's funny they actually mocked
Speaker 2: John Tavolta in that right, he's the guy behind the bar.
Speaker 2: And that episode aired just before pulp fiction came out
Speaker 2: and his whole career researching.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, yeah, that's funny, Okay. And then I
Speaker 3: had to pick a tree House of Horror. I love
Speaker 3: the treehous Horror series, and I was tossing up between
Speaker 3: five and six, and I think, like six really stinks
Speaker 3: out in my mind, Like I just it just seems my.
Speaker 2: Personal factic was the first one I ever remember watching
Speaker 2: as a new episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, okay. I just the mascots coming to life
Speaker 3: and the night more on Elm Street kind of parody,
Speaker 3: like they just they really live in the moment. But
Speaker 3: I ultimately, I ultimately yeah, the three D and Homer
Speaker 3: showing up at the end in the real world was very,
Speaker 3: very bizarre. This is a cube slowed down akehead like
Speaker 3: it's a square. But I ended up going with five
Speaker 3: because I love the shinning. I think that was really great.
Speaker 3: I liked that repeat gag of Willie getting killed and
Speaker 3: every one it's fantastic. Yeah, But I genuinely generally love
Speaker 3: the Treeouts of Horror series. I think I will I
Speaker 3: will always change into one of those.
Speaker 2: It just feels like genuine horror. Number five, It's it's
Speaker 2: the pinnacle, I think, and to the point where a
Speaker 2: lot of kids who grew up in the nineties called
Speaker 2: the Shining the shinning.
Speaker 3: Just by yeah, it's just the shin.
Speaker 2: It's actually called the shining, but no, it's the shinning.
Speaker 3: Well is it? To your point? Like I think, especially
Speaker 3: in the earlier ones, the sort of the way they
Speaker 3: walked the line between funny and scary was very impressive,
Speaker 3: and I thought like that was some really scary moments
Speaker 3: of this. I think that night my Elm Street one
Speaker 3: was pretty scary and then I was looking at like
Speaker 3: the raven always stuck in my head and as a kid,
Speaker 3: it's like, what is this?
Speaker 2: I didn't like it at all? What is going on here?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I enjoyed it? And I think
Speaker 3: I probably, like in hindsight, and now I hear that
Speaker 3: poem and like, there's a there's a bunch of clips online,
Speaker 3: there's one of oh James L. Jones does it, and
Speaker 3: it is it's it's fantastic. And the idea that the
Speaker 3: Simpsons introduced me to that poem, I think, and and
Speaker 3: a ground Poe generally I think is very cool.
Speaker 2: It's a ballsy move too. By the sha because it
Speaker 2: is the kids show still season two. When that episode airs,
Speaker 2: the kids are expecting kids stuff and that airs, and
Speaker 2: it's not scary. It's just, I would say, dare say
Speaker 2: boring for a little kid?
Speaker 3: M Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, it's but yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know that I enjoyed it, but yet it like
Speaker 3: occupies a big part of my mind.
Speaker 2: So you remember it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well that's so
Speaker 2: let's wart up for me. And so Treots of Horror
Speaker 2: five much poor about Nothing? You only moved twice, a
Speaker 2: fish caught, Salma and itching and scratchy Land.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: It's a good one kicking off with.
Speaker 3: Though, Oh, first one, I want to ease into it,
Speaker 3: don't maybe, ah, maybe much of about nothing because you
Speaker 3: probably you're in Springfield, right. The rest of them all
Speaker 3: seem to take that.
Speaker 2: The most normal of the episodes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, Tom, I'd like to think you've given
Speaker 4: us a marathon satisfier as opposed to a maximum.
Speaker 3: Well, actually it'd be the other that I would like.
Speaker 3: But well I'll take it.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, won't forget you? Follow Tom on Instagram
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Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you so much