WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:09.519 Go on, not pagon, go not painted good we bragon 2 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:21.800 We're gonna code that word. Four finger Discounted. 3 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:40.039 Hey guys, Dan A here and welcome to four figure 4 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.679 discount where this week Guy and myself we're lucky to 5 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.759 be joined by comedian Tom witcamb to review the episode 6 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.880 All Singing, All Dancing, the final clip show of the 7 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:51.320 Golden Era, the one that showcases the many songs of 8 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.119 the Simpsons. We covered a lot of topics, including what 9 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.520 makes a good Simpsons song, the best Simpsons musical parodies, 10 00:00:57.560 --> 00:00:59.880 and so much more. Plus we also covered Tom's career 11 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.520 and the impact that The Simpsons had on his comedy. 12 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:04.040 Before we get into that, though, I just want to 13 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.000 remind you that you can get early and add free 14 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.239 access to this show, as well as access to one 15 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.680 hundred hours of exclusive podcast by supporting us on Patreon 16 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.079 link that is in the description of this show. For now, though, 17 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:16.640 sit back and enjoy our chat with Tom Wickham as 18 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:26.120 we review All Singing or Dancing. Hey guys, welcome to 19 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:28.920 forfigure discap of the podcast where We'll Always Paint Your Wagon. 20 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.040 I'm Dando and I am Guy, and today we're very 21 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.359 lucky to be joined by the one and only Tom Wickham. Tom, 22 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:34.079 how are you doing, sir? 23 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:35.719 I'm very well, thanks. How are you guys? 24 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:36.840 Yes, doing fantastic. 25 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.359 We're very pleased to be joined by the Don Draper 26 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.519 of comedy. Hang on a second, happy to be joined 27 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:44.159 by the Pete Campbell of comedy. 28 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:46.640 I was going to say, the Don Draper, none of 29 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:51.120 those allegations hold up. I don't believe that they're baseless. 30 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:52.400 Those women can't be trusted. 31 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.200 What of absolute zero Kelvin coolness? Is that what you're 32 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:56.719 talking about? 33 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:57.280 Tom? 34 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.400 From the Don Draper to comedy to the Pete Campbell 35 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.280 to comedy A rapid de escalation. I was feeling pretty good. 36 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:05.040 I skipped the Lane Price stage. 37 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.479 Yes, lay In Price, I mean tragic ending, But what 38 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:09.400 a journey on the way. 39 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.840 There, MVP, you know while he was actually there. Absolutely 40 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.120 If you haven't watched mad Men, watch Madman otherwise you 41 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.840 don't know what the fuck we're talking about. But the 42 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:18.599 thing of it is that Tom, when he is not 43 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.719 making us laugh with his comedy styling's on stage, is 44 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.840 using his marketing magic to persuade us to buy things 45 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:29.400 that we definitely want and yeah, maybe need. 46 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.039 Yeah, predominantly Dick pills at the moment. That's my that's 47 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:34.080 my main concern. 48 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:35.639 How do you source them? Though? 49 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:37.800 From pilot dot com dot. You got to pilot of 50 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:39.439 com dot you use the code flog as twenty for 51 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:41.360 twenty dollars off your first order. I'm gonna plug my 52 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:42.159 podcast one here. 53 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.759 By the way, it's called a segue, and it's great 54 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:46.840 that you use the term flog. 55 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:49.960 Yeah, exactly, it's a perfect brand integration. 56 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.319 Really, let's talk about flog Cabin for those who unaware. 57 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:53.879 When did it start? Let's dive into it. 58 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.000 We're about one hundred and four episodes in, so we're 59 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.560 just what yeah, two years almost exactly two years. There 60 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.919 you go. It's a podcast with myself, my friends Daniel 61 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.759 Muglesman Andrew Hamilton too, more successful comedians than me. Yeah, 62 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.560 it's just kind of that classic comedians go on and 63 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.199 talk about either erections or bodily functions for a couple 64 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:14.639 of hours each week. 65 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:15.520 That's us. 66 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.319 It's not unlike ful thing Discount, except without the comedian aspect. 67 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.319 Oh really, how do you find trying to break out 68 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:24.120 of podcasting? 69 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:24.319 Now? 70 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:27.280 We're talking about it recently on the show. It's so saturated, 71 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.759 it's all we've been talking. It's so oversaturated now the 72 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.599 podcast market. How do you find trying to separate yourself 73 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:34.080 from the pack. 74 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:37.919 Yeah, as soon as we work out how, I'll let 75 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:41.240 you guys know. I like, I think it's very very hard. 76 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.360 I think, you know, as comedians, you can at least 77 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.080 kind of rest on the idea that even if you're 78 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.919 just making your own fans like you more, you don't 79 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.360 necessarily need to be growing. Like going deeper is really 80 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.520 valuable because you can sell tickets to things, and you can, 81 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.159 you know, get them to watch stuff online. Like there's 82 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.759 other avenues to kind of turn it into a career, 83 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:00.919 whereas if it was pure list no numbers. Oh, it's 84 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:01.280 so tough. 85 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:03.520 How long have you guys been doing this for twenty fifteen? 86 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.240 Yeah? Right, okay, so yeah, you guys, that's probably a 87 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.439 pretty I mean, you'd always like to start earlier, but 88 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:11.319 that's a pretty perfect time to start, right. That would 89 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:12.000 have been a good. 90 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.599 That's what I say. I always say in the podcast. 91 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.400 When I first started doing this, the people go, what 92 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:16.680 do you doing? I go, I do a podcast, And 93 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.360 people would go, well, what's a podcast? And now they say, 94 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:20.720 what are you doing? I do a podcast and the 95 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:22.759 response is, well, of course you do. Everyone does. Yeah, 96 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:24.480 me doesn't feel special anymore? 97 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:26.839 Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I don't know, like I 98 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.800 think especially it's really hard when I mean we genuinely 99 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.800 our only selling point is it's us like it, you know, 100 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.199 I think right now I'm loving I don't know if 101 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.560 you guys listen to Finn Versus History. No, Finn Taylor's 102 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:41.959 a British comedian and he does this podcast called Finn 103 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.360 Versus History, and it's like, it's kind of like the 104 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.800 rest is History that their tagline is a history podcast 105 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.639 for people who don't care about what actually happened, and 106 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:53.360 it's so funny. But I think just like the way 107 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:55.720 in of like this is a history podcast. This episode 108 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.839 is about World War two, this episode is about JFK. 109 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.360 Whatever is just a it's an easy sell to kind 110 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.399 of bring people in, whereas US it's just us chatting. 111 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:05.079 So it's like if you don't like us or eat, 112 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:06.959 it's a pretty hard sell to get people into it. 113 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:09.079 Yeah, we've got the lucky thing of having the Simpsons, 114 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.319 and everyone likes the Simpsons, so one hundred percent. 115 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:13.680 Yeah, I mean, is this do you guys have many competitors. 116 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.519 Are there are many other Simpsons? Like, are their rival Simpsons? 117 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:17.279 Now there are? 118 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:17.600 Now? 119 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.240 Yes, when we started, we were the second Simpsons podcast, 120 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.240 but COVID everyone went, we're bored, let's buy microphones to 121 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:24.959 talk about our favorite show at the Simpsons. So yeah, 122 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.040 if there's like two hundred of them now, oh. 123 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.879 God, what's not? Is the first one still going strong? 124 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.759 The first one is still going? Yeah, a long weekly still. 125 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.199 I think sometimes they miss but we're still going consecutive weekly. 126 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:37.120 But we don't see them as I don't seem as competitors. 127 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:38.680 You know, you seem as competitors. You just get to 128 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:40.240 drive yourself insane. You're just going to see if someone 129 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:41.079 else doing the same thing. 130 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:41.920 That makes sense. 131 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.000 But we're here to talk about all singing, all dancing. 132 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:45.720 But before we get into that and we dive into 133 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.600 the episode, tell us, what are your tom earliest memories 134 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:50.000 of watching the Simpsons. 135 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.199 Yeah, I mean, I was trying to pinpoint when I 136 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.560 started watching it. I mean I probably would have started 137 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.040 watching it before I was too young to really get it. 138 00:05:58.079 --> 00:05:59.279 I think it would have been I would have watched 139 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.360 it when my parents will watching it, and it's that 140 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:03.399 classic thing I think especially of people of my age, 141 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:06.560 my generation of you rewatch old episodes and you get 142 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.120 all the things you totally missed the first time around. 143 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.199 I mean, my earliest memories of The Simpsons were just 144 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.839 being totally obsessed with it and just quoting it endlessly 145 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.879 to my parents. Just every situation had a Simpsons quote 146 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:20.720 to go with it, and they truly could not give 147 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:22.360 a shit at en. 148 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:23.759 I'd no idea what you're talking about. 149 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:26.040 Oh yeah, just like and you're trying to set it up, 150 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:27.680 and like, so home is here, and you know that 151 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.800 you know the guy from the school who he doesn't 152 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.879 teach their class. We teach the other class. And they 153 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.360 just like, we don't care at all about this, except 154 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.959 I do remember there was one quote that I said 155 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.240 to my mum once when I must have been like ten, 156 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:43.839 and she thought my delivery of it was really funny. 157 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.439 And that was the one time that I managed a 158 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:46.639 cracker with it, and then she would ask me to 159 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.800 do it sometimes and it was it was actually the 160 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:51.079 other episode I suggested we do, which is much a 161 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.680 pooer about nothing, and it's when Homer's on the phone 162 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:57.519 to I think it's Selma and he goes Selma, my dear, 163 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.920 how are you? Uh huh uh huh listen, shut up 164 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.399 for a second. My mom thought my delivery, that was 165 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:05.519 great and would asked me to do it, and I 166 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:06.519 was like, all right, I've cracked it here. 167 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.000 So that was and a stand up is born, I know. 168 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.920 And then and and then you have to find it. 169 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:13.199 You got to write your own stuff. You can't just 170 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.240 quote the Simpsons on stage all the time, even though 171 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.120 I think that would probably be better for most people. 172 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:17.560 It would. 173 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:19.600 Yeah, it's a stand up version of a reaction video 174 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:21.680 which was you all know, go gang Busses on YouTube. 175 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:23.879 But I think it's probably great that you started watching 176 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.240 at that young age. Even when you say I didn't 177 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:28.240 quite get the jokes on, not one hundred percent sure 178 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.399 what this is all about, You're almost getting comedy training 179 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:32.279 by osmosis. 180 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.519 I feel that way about. I agree, And especially I 181 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.839 loved like joke websites and joke books and things from 182 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:40.560 a young age and all the way through. And I 183 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.319 was always kind of like I loved street jokes and 184 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.800 being told jokes and parroting them to people. And I 185 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.879 do think you learn that sort of rhythm or that timing. 186 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.600 I think that is kind of inherent in me. And 187 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:53.240 I think, you know, the way that I do stand 188 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:57.160 up is super joke jokey. It's like a punchline. I 189 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.120 think that is quite It's formulaic, but in the best 190 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:02.079 kind of way. I just saw Did you guys, Have 191 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:03.439 you guys seen the new Naked Gun film? 192 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:05.399 No, not yet. I'm really con forward to it. I've 193 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:06.040 heard great things. 194 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.439 It's fantastic. But one of the things that I kind 195 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.480 of took for grant until I saw it was how 196 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.519 many formulas they have for jokes and that they kind 197 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:15.399 of invented in that series and they can keep going 198 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:16.879 back to the well and I think shows like The 199 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:18.519 Simpsons did that really well as well. Of like that 200 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.720 they just knew how to execute jokes so perfectly. So yeah, 201 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:23.720 and then I just think, like, again, I don't know, 202 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.639 especially in the sort of early Internet era, I thought 203 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.879 my obsession with The Simpsons was singular. I didn't think 204 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.480 anyone was obsessed as I was. And you know, I 205 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.120 remember downloading like early Microsoft Windows days, like desk top 206 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.080 theme packs where my little curse was a little yellow 207 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:42.519 hand and when I deleted something, it would make the 208 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:43.799 dough noise and stuff. 209 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:45.960 Like the cycle bin will be something exactly. 210 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.759 Yeah, all the games, all the Monopoly stuff, like I 211 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.200 just I was so obsessed with it from such a 212 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:55.200 young age. And it was that I again imagine especially 213 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.120 Australian Fox eight Saturday Sunday mornings, I think it was 214 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:02.480 nine am till midday was just SIMP repeat straight into 215 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:04.639 WWE raw. What else do you want? 216 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.600 Right? So? How so when did you grow up? So 217 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:09.279 when were you What was the ear of the Simpsons 218 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:10.320 when you were say like ten? 219 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.000 So what that was two thousand and two? So I 220 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.559 think this is the other thing, right, which is I 221 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.399 think the memories I have the Simpsons, my kind of 222 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.720 Simpsons heyday seems to be the time with the purists 223 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.200 say it started to get shit. I know, principal in 224 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:29.720 the Pauper is like the turning point in a lot 225 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:33.080 of people's minds, right, which is probably where I start 226 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.639 to get really invested, where the new ones make sense 227 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:38.919 to me and I'm kind of invested in it. I 228 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:41.960 remember the color changing. I remember when the yellow started 229 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:44.519 to get deeper yellow. I think it was probably yeah, 230 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.879 that sort of just change in quality, which I just 231 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.639 in terms of visual quality. I remember that seems to 232 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:52.679 be the part that really resonates with me. And then 233 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:57.720 I remember I was again very online internet kid, finding 234 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.519 my way around downloading new episodes from the States, just 235 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:02.639 as it was getting. 236 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.399 Truly terrible Kazah and whatnot. 237 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.840 Yeah, yeah, I remember, I remember really early days on 238 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.159 Kazar or Lime Wire, having like a couple of episodes 239 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.279 on my laptop and it was like flights if I 240 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.159 needed to, or long car trips I would watch. It 241 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.679 was the one where Bart's in the plastic bubble. Yeah, 242 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:20.279 I remember I had that one very early, and maybe 243 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.519 a couple of Treehouse of Horror ones. But then I 244 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:26.279 remember it was the one with RAFFI remember the one 245 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.879 with the he was the the children's entertainer things for 246 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.840 Maggie's like Barney. Yes, that's right, And I just remember 247 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:36.679 like being able to download it and feeling very proud 248 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.679 of myself of being able to get it. Will also think, God, 249 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:39.399 this is terrible. 250 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:44.080 It's interesting because you sort of so you see not 251 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:45.840 peak Simpsons, but you grew up with like the teen 252 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:47.279 ear and you see it as fine, where so many 253 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:48.759 so many people just turn a blind eye to it. 254 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:50.759 So what's your thoughts on the whole. We should say 255 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:52.240 modern Simpsons is no good anymore. 256 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.440 A few times I've caught episodes or little clips of episodes, 257 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.720 I'm like, this actually isn't terrible, but it's a different show. 258 00:10:57.879 --> 00:10:59.960 It just isn't what it was, which is like true 259 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.919 all of them, right, Like I think Family Guys at 260 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:04.559 the Shame show it used to be. South Park isn't 261 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:05.759 the same show it used to be. They've all had 262 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.000 to evolve, which I don't hate, but I guess I 263 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.960 probably don't. What it is now is probably not what 264 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:15.720 I loved it for. I think I think like decent 265 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:19.480 era Simpson's like lasts a little bit longer than the 266 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:21.240 purest give it credit for. I mean, I have very 267 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:24.519 fond memories of a couple of travel episodes, like the 268 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.679 Japan episode. I really like there's an episode where they 269 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:29.679 get the tennis court that's always really pure in my 270 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:31.559 memory as well. For some reason, I think they're still 271 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.440 pretty good, and I still think it's fairly classic. But yeah, 272 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.440 I do think around in my mind it's more like 273 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.320 season sixteen or whatever feels like the real turning point. 274 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:42.559 I don't know if I can really stomach this anymore. 275 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:44.000 We just finished season twenty. 276 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:45.679 I know I felt for you. 277 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.919 So it's interesting now, we went in very We went 278 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.120 in with very low expectations, right, so we were at 279 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.759 the bottom. We weren't expecting greatness. But I tell you 280 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.600 there was probably maybe one or two episodes that weren't great. 281 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.399 There aren't bad episodes. There's just episodes where we just 282 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.279 kind of watched it going I'm feeling nothing, which I 283 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:02.879 guess is a bad episode in itself as well. 284 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:04.879 We did, of course season nineteen before that, and I 285 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:06.600 think that had one or two episodes where we were 286 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:10.960 legitimately insulted or just angry about the poor quality of 287 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:12.639 it all the way the storylines had gone on the 288 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.720 way the characters have been depicted, whereas with Yeah, season twenty, 289 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:17.799 as Dan I said, a lot of them were just like, eh, 290 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:21.440 it's fine and you're not incorrect, and that that can 291 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.240 be an even worse response. I mean, you sort of 292 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.840 want to be on one side of the You want 293 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:28.759 to eat the oscillate between I feel really good about 294 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:30.559 this or I feel really bad about this. You want 295 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:31.720 to be passionate one way or enough. 296 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:33.879 I think it helps with watching them in chronological order 297 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.639 as well. If you watch a classic episode and then 298 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.399 watch a season twenty, then you can see the big 299 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:38.879 difference in dropping comedy. 300 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:42.279 Sure, what's like peak season twenty? What's like a great 301 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:43.440 season twenty episode? 302 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:45.799 What was I like? I really like the one that's coming. 303 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:47.639 It's called Gone Making, Gone Guy. I wasn't a huge fan, 304 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:49.879 but I'm very big on the format bending episodes, like 305 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:51.879 there's one called Trilogy of Era, which has the linguo 306 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:54.279 Yes that season twenty is it? 307 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:54.440 No? 308 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.679 No, no, I'm just saying that those where it's not 309 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.600 your standard episode, it's format bending, and that one's very 310 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:01.879 much like that as a parody of the Da Vinci Code. 311 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:04.000 And what was the other? The National Treasure where Lisa 312 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:06.320 is looking for the Golden Child or whatever it turns 313 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:08.799 out to be, Maggie. I really like it was a 314 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:10.559 lot of fun. I think I find when it comes 315 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.000 to more modern episodes, I like the ones where they 316 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.559 break away for the norm a bit. 317 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:16.600 And when it came to twenty, I think I was 318 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.360 very keen on any teen He maya mo Yeah, I 319 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.639 mean I tend to like it when you get to 320 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:24.799 delve a little deeper into characters who you think you 321 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.000 know everything about, and you realize there were more shades 322 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:28.399 or more dimension to. 323 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:29.879 Their character than you first imagined. 324 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.519 They've been sort of ramping up moas less of a 325 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.559 hostile slash pathetic character and showing that there was, you know, 326 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:40.559 very very very very deep inside there was a heart. 327 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.320 Yes, they starts dating a little person called Meyer in 328 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:44.000 the episode. 329 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.159 Yes, that rings a bell I remember that. Yeah, okay, 330 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:50.159 because I just I just googled the gone Maggie Gone, 331 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:51.799 and that doesn't ring any bells to me. But yeah, 332 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:55.200 the the dating the little person that does, Yeah, that 333 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:56.799 does ring true a little bit. 334 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.080 And spoiler alert. They split up by the end because 335 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:02.639 status quo, but in a more because status Mo. Yeah, yes, exactly, 336 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:04.519 and in a recent season, I think it's like two 337 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:06.440 or three seasons ago, they got back together again and 338 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:07.919 then now a couple, which is nice. 339 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:13.639 Yeah, okay, right, very much. The post Oh what was 340 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.480 the poo? What was it? Harry Kondabalu? 341 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:21.720 Oh what the documentary that he made the Problem show? 342 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.799 Yeah, yeah, it feels like a bit of a you know, 343 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.159 I don't know, Simpson's gone woke mad, isn't it. It's 344 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.600 just it's crazy, it's political Correctn's gone mad. Isn't it, 345 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:31.240 isn't it. 346 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.879 Speaking of silky, spilky, silky segways, this is a fine 347 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:38.200 talking about your style of comedy, which is, to use 348 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:41.480 a phrase from an old con and O'Brien's catch inappropriate. No, 349 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.480 but watching problematic and ignorant. Your your two shows that 350 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.519 you put on at the Sydney Comedy Festival them all. 351 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.200 Right, yeah, yeah, among other places, but they were recorded there. 352 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:51.519 Yeah. 353 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.000 I mean you strike me, Tom, looking at you looked 354 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.639 like a very sort of straight laced butter wouldn't melt 355 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.399 in your mouth kind of guy. But you get up 356 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.600 on stage and you say, well, you're not going insane 357 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.279 up there, but you're saying things that you know some 358 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.159 people might not expect coming from you. But it's also 359 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:08.960 you've got the spoonful of sugar and the dash of 360 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.320 arsenic in there as well, which strikes me as kind 361 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.720 of Simpson's esque in a lot of ways. I'm wondering 362 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:18.200 about maybe a correlation or any relationship between the comedy 363 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:21.120 you enjoyed growing up, like the Simpsons, and the comedy 364 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:21.440 that you do. 365 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:21.799 Now. 366 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.360 Yeah, it's interesting. I guess when you have no tragedies 367 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:25.759 of your own, you have to make light of other 368 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:30.240 people's you know. So, yeah, I think I have definitely 369 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.080 always been drawn to the more kind of I guess, 370 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.360 you know, offensive, And now the term would be like 371 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.039 edgy comedy, and now edgy has this really weird, sort 372 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:41.399 of backhanded compliment element to it. I don't think edgy 373 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.600 has ever really applauded anymore. 374 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.159 Which is sort of rolling your eyes a bit. Now, 375 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:45.879 is edgy? 376 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.519 Yeah, exactly as Mark Barron said there that day, it's 377 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:50.279 a bunch of guys in a podcast talking about the 378 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.320 last time they shit themselves as adults. 379 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.000 Oh for sure. And if you're into that makes you 380 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:59.679 listen to flog cap come up. But yeah, I think 381 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:01.679 I've all always enjoyed that. And I think again, I 382 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.600 was thinking about this question about how much The Simpsons 383 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:06.759 has influenced it, and I think more directly you would 384 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:08.840 look at something like a South Park or a family 385 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.600 Guy as a more a direct kind of reference for me, 386 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.399 which it is very kind of it's dealing with sort 387 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:16.960 of yeah for black and better term edgy topics or whatever. 388 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:18.519 But I do think, you know, the Simpsons is a 389 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:20.519 precursor to all of that. It was just because of 390 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:22.600 the time it existed and required to do it in 391 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:27.679 a slightly more I don't know, stealthy fashion. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. 392 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.240 I think like there's a reason that you know, the 393 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.360 Simpsons and sorry, the south Park and Family kind of 394 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.120 heyday was when you started hearing about things like political 395 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.039 coreckness gone mad and all that sort of stuff, right, 396 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:38.759 it was. It was when that stuff was pushing up 397 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.200 against something, whereas the Simpsons did have to do it 398 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.440 in a more covert way. 399 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:44.480 So we just we just reviewed goo backs on our 400 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.600 south Park podcast as well. So you've got a south 401 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:48.960 Park podcast? Yeah, in season eight, now going down to 402 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.279 south Park check it out? Yeah, right, feel free to 403 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:52.360 appear as a guest on that show. 404 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.720 Sure, what are you doing after this? 405 00:16:58.559 --> 00:16:58.600 That? 406 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:00.519 I see? That was? And again and this is kind 407 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:02.679 of like internet eras that Goobag's episode was one that 408 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.319 was on my laptop as well. Like that, I think 409 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:07.240 as the Simpsons was kind of descending, south Park was 410 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:08.599 really hitting highest and Family guide. 411 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.880 So I think a lot of the Simpsons fans who 412 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.559 grew up on The Simpsons feeling like it was the 413 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:16.559 cool show, migrated to south Park. That makes sense, it's 414 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.119 their comedy adolescence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 415 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.839 But yeah, I think the impact of again, having started 416 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:25.279 watching it at such a young age, we don't have 417 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:27.880 the context of what preceded it, and you find out 418 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:31.400 so much of what the Simpsons did was just hadn't 419 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:35.000 really been done before, and you take it for granted 420 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:38.200 because you were seeing it at a time where you 421 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.759 didn't know what was groundbreaking, what was trendsetting. 422 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:42.039 It just was. 423 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.039 So I'd be very surprised if there weren't things that 424 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:48.880 kind of crept in into the way that I do comedy, 425 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:50.400 and I guess just about everybody else. 426 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.640 I wonder if that kind of thing is possible now 427 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.599 because everything's on demand now, it's not really the TV 428 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.839 stations aren't dictating what kids watch now. I think it's 429 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.279 hard for one particular show to really infla what's an 430 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:01.839 entire generation of kids now? 431 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:05.119 Yeah, well, I think the Internet has just led to 432 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:11.240 such a severe kind of fractalization of content, right, Like 433 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.640 everybody is invested in their own little niches, and to 434 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.720 them it feels all encompassing and something that everybody is around, 435 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:20.079 and yet the people who are one or two steps 436 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:21.519 away from that have no idea. Like you know, I 437 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:23.359 always think about the fact my wife has no idea 438 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.559 who mister Beast is, and I wouldn't call myself a fan, 439 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.759 but he's one of the most influential figures in modern media, 440 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.279 and yet there are a whole group of people have 441 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:34.160 no idea, not even don't watch it, but have no 442 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.759 concept of even what it is. Your wife, Oh man, 443 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:42.279 what a simpler time. But yeah, I just don't think 444 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.359 it is possible. And as well as the fact that 445 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:49.079 streaming releases seasons full seasons at a time, and therefore 446 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.000 none of us are really watching things simultaneously, and those 447 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:53.799 few moments where we are they seem to become big 448 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.559 cultural moments, but they're the exception. So the Game of 449 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.000 Thrones and The Successions and these shows that have forced 450 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.599 us to watch them for watch them collectively have become 451 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.079 bigger cultural moments. But for the most part, we can't 452 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.160 discuss any show until we've all finished watching it. By 453 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:08.440 then it's not even interesting anymore. 454 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:11.079 Yeah, I don't think to go on from Dando's point, 455 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:13.880 and in your's time, I think in lieu of shows 456 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.559 being sort of the common currency or the common sort 457 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:18.920 of language that we have, it's probably a meme that 458 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:20.839 will catch on and everybody sort of knows what you 459 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.119 mean by that, or you can use it in any 460 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:26.599 sort of type of situation as a response or as a. 461 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:27.480 Call out or whatever. 462 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:30.079 Yeah, and usually they don't last all that long, which 463 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:31.640 can be a blessing in disguise. I mean, there was 464 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.519 a phase there where everyone's saying was, you know, everything 465 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.880 was very demure, everything was very whatever for about five 466 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:38.960 minutes or so, and thank god that five minutes is over. 467 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:40.799 But yeah, I think that might be sort of the 468 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.880 replacement of everyone knowing lines from The Simpsons and using 469 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:46.279 them in everyday conversation. 470 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.759 I think people the Simpsons live on now through meme culture. 471 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.359 I think, oh yeah, exoltly. 472 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.319 Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think, you know, things 473 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:56.839 move so quickly, so there probably won't be a podcast 474 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.960 about CEOs at Cold Blake concerts anytime soon. And yet 475 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.079 that was like the biggest cultural moment of this entire year, 476 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:05.680 and already it feels old hat and it happened a 477 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:06.079 week ago. 478 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.039 Yeah, Chris Martin's still trying to keep that alive. There 479 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:09.799 was a new story last night about. 480 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:11.960 Some couple who were I think trying to cause trying 481 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.079 to propose at a Coldplay concert using a sign yeah, 482 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:16.200 and of course he had to fault. 483 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.279 I can't imagine Chris Martin trying to overcapitalize on something 484 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:20.720 like that. 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Why did 493 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:51.119 you choose this episode? 494 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:56.640 I just I've always loved the musical elements of The Simpsons, 495 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.039 and I think of so a real foundational memory for 496 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:02.079 me the Simpsons is listening to that songs in the 497 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.799 Key of Springfield CD as I was falling asleep on 498 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:09.839 my Discman underneath my pillow as a youth. And then 499 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.119 eventually I think I ended up upgrading from that to 500 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.839 like I would burn my own CDs that had like 501 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.480 it was a combination of songs but also like little 502 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:23.759 clippable quotes and sound clips and sound bites from the show, 503 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:25.960 which is so lame, but it was a thing that 504 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:26.400 I loved. 505 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:28.720 No, no, it couldn't be lame. I did it as well, 506 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:29.680 did you really that? 507 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.200 But the thing of like having you know, just just 508 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.759 a quote Homer Simpsons saying something funny as you fall asleep. 509 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.559 Well that's like on those CDs, like you're saying songs 510 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:40.640 in the key. Just hearing dialogu from the Simpsons felt 511 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.200 so cool because it's not just on the TV. I'm 512 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:43.920 listening to it in the car or my Discman, Now, 513 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:44.640 it's so special. 514 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:47.559 YouTube gentlemen are being very millennial about this, so I'm 515 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.359 going to throw in an old man yelling at cloud 516 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:52.759 generation X style reference. This is very reminism of like 517 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.039 a Quentin Tarantino soundtrack where you get the like pulp 518 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.960 Fiction or Jackie Brown or whatever, where you get the 519 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:01.279 songs that are on the in the film, but they'd 520 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:04.680 be interspersed with bits of dialogue because dialogue was just 521 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:06.680 as sort of entertaining musical. 522 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.599 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, I remember that again back in 523 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:14.200 the kind of post an apstamare LimeWire days downloading. I 524 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:15.680 think it was it was either Stuck in the Middle 525 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:17.880 with You or one of those reservoir Dog tracks. And 526 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.200 they've always got the Stephen Wright radio. 527 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:24.000 Intro capability super sund of the seventies. 528 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.599 Yeah, exactly, so yes, no, So I really loved the 529 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.039 music and it was I liked how that has transitioned 530 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.359 to things like again back to south Park, Bigger Logo, 531 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:36.559 ron Cut, and the Team America movie, and then obviously 532 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:38.839 Book A Mormon and then A Family Guy also have 533 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:42.160 these kind of musical moments scattered throughout. So I kind 534 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:44.119 of just wanted to talk about the songs, and then 535 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.759 I because I know I knew all the songs really well, 536 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.319 but then watching the episode, I was like, this is 537 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:52.279 not a good episode of television, but it is a 538 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.039 good excuse to talk about a bunch of very good songs. 539 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:58.440 It felt important special twenty five years ago though, when 540 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.640 I was a kid watching this, because, as you were saying, 541 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.079 we didn't have YouTube, right, so we couldn't just go 542 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.319 on New to even find the song that we wanted 543 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.240 to listen to. So this felt like like one of 544 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.960 those so fresh compilation CD's, like the greatest Hit CD 545 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.200 with all the best clips in the one episode. So 546 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:14.599 they were necessary twenty five years ago, but now in 547 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:16.240 twenty twenty five, they just feel redundant. 548 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:18.279 That's really I never thought about that, But you're right. 549 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.400 The compilation episodes must have really served a purpose or 550 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.440 clip shows must have said the real purpose at the time. 551 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.599 They just don't anymore. I'd never really considered that. 552 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:28.000 Well, they filed a quota, they meant that the writers 553 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:29.440 didn't have to work as hard, and they just sort 554 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.799 of they just pad out an episode that they felt lazy, 555 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.079 but they did for people who just wanted to find 556 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.039 the best bits of a show, this is how you 557 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.359 got them, and serve as. 558 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:39.119 A reminder of, look, this is what we're capable of 559 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:40.640 as well. I mean, I don't think they're picking any 560 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:45.200 sort of dud songs to reminisce over. They're picking some 561 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:46.599 cherries there for sure. 562 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:48.519 And also this is in the context of I mean, 563 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:50.599 how many episodes of season? Is this twenty four episodes 564 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:52.839 or something like two ish or something. You forget that 565 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:54.559 that was kind of standard in a lot of television 566 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.160 as well, right, like especially, I mean I remember you know, 567 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:01.039 the Supernatural Days or whatever, those suits or stuff you 568 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:02.880 know right up until I think it was that Rider's 569 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.119 strike sort of the turning point. But there was a 570 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:07.279 lot of content that they had to feel, so it's 571 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:09.880 hard to really begrudge them for phoning one in from 572 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.839 time to time. But yeah, I think the thing that 573 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:14.599 I had gone on to read about this was and 574 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.279 I imagine we'll get to this, but that this was 575 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.720 actually kind of a marketing exercise four songs in the 576 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.599 key of Springfield, which I didn't realize. So I can 577 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.480 see why some people would get frustrated. But it's like, 578 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:25.440 how many good episodes of TV are you entitled to 579 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:27.240 in a year? Surely they can take a week off. 580 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:29.160 You're not paying for this. It's free entertainment, just one 581 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.599 hundred percent. Sit down, shut up, and enjoy it. 582 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:30.880 Yeah. 583 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:34.559 Yeah, so I I yes, I thought, great excuse to 584 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:36.559 talk about the songs, even though I think the episode 585 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.160 itself was a bit whatever. 586 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:39.880 Do you have a standout song of the Simpsons? 587 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.680 So I kind of because as I was watching it, 588 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:44.720 I was trying to kind of clock if there are 589 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.319 things that weren't in it that I that I would 590 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:49.599 have missed, and I think in watching it was the 591 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:51.640 kind of they kind of cracked all the hits, I think, 592 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.160 especially for the episode see My vest is Hard to 593 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.680 Go Past. I think that's fantastic. I also really like 594 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:00.839 the Stonecutters song. I really enjoyed that. In terms of 595 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:02.759 things that weren't in the episode, I have a real 596 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:06.279 soft spot for the Flaming mos Cheers kind of intro song. 597 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.000 Parody ones are always great, aren't they. 598 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.279 They are fantastic. Yeah, and also also parody all the 599 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.640 original means something to me is we're talking softball. I 600 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:16.880 always really enjoyed that too. 601 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.599 We had a mail bag episode recently where we were 602 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.039 answering questions from fans of the show, and I think 603 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.960 we were asked about our favorite songs and we trade 604 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.559 a few that were in this episode. I think one 605 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.880 of the ones that I mentioned that I really enjoyed. 606 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:32.599 I don't think they would have been really relevant in 607 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.279 this episode, but they were the Learning Lumpkin ones from. 608 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.960 Actually, have you revisited that episode for for a while. No, 609 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.039 it's revisited the music and that's fantastic, isn't it. 610 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:45.000 Yeah, and works in concert with a you know, a 611 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.720 really touching story as well, so it's you get the 612 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:48.400 best of both. 613 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.559 Worlds Now that I think about that. It is a 614 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.039 very kind of adult story, isn't it that one? Like 615 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.599 it's it's fair. It grapples with some pretty heady stuff you. 616 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:58.519 On the episode ever written by Matt Groening as well, 617 00:25:59.000 --> 00:25:59.839 Is that right? Yeah? 618 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:00.799 There you go. 619 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:04.119 Colonel Homer is like what I consider like the hidden Gem. 620 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:06.680 No one seems to talk about it anymore, but Colonel 621 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.640 Homer revisit it because what season is that? That's season three? Three? 622 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.599 Yeah, okay, yeah, it's very early for me, Like it's again, 623 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.160 those were episodes I only would have seen in retrospect, 624 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.200 and the colors are so it's all so much darker, 625 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.119 and it's a little bit it just feels older. 626 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:26.359 What was your mentality then, so growing up? Did you 627 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.200 go back and revisit those earlier ones because it looked differently? 628 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:30.559 Did you go out it looks too old for me? 629 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.079 Because my kids now I'll put on HD Simpsons and 630 00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:36.680 they almost prefer to watch it just because it looks better. Yeah, 631 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.759 I've got a seven year old and a four year old, 632 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.160 and they like they seem to just want to gravitate 633 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:43.960 towards the newer ones. I think there's like to look 634 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.279 at it it's just the visuals. It's brighter, it's widescreen, 635 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:48.680 it's fancier. I put on the old ones and they 636 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:50.160 enjoy them, but it's just like they go, why does 637 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:51.079 it look so old? You know? 638 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.720 Yeah, I think when I first started watching The Simpsons, 639 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:58.839 you are just you're left up to whatever Fox it's 640 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:00.559 going to give you, or Channel tens can to give you. Right, 641 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.279 so you watch what's on and you say thank you, 642 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.000 even if I would have liked it to have been 643 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.480 a little a different shade of yellow, but yeah, I 644 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.960 think you just kind of get this inherent thing of like, oh, 645 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:13.039 this isn't quite for me. Maybe not as in I 646 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:14.759 don't like it, but as in like, oh this was 647 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.359 made for a different type of viewer. Maybe still watch it, 648 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:20.960 but you just you can't help but escape. And there's 649 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.119 still some moments in that stuff I really like, but 650 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.279 it just it feels less. It just inherently feels that's relevant, 651 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.759 maybe just implicitly, but it's amazing. How like my wife 652 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:33.000 and I watching The Biggest Loser documentary at the moment. 653 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.039 Oh god, we watched it on the weekend. What's that on? 654 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:36.640 What's streaming? So that's on Netflix? Netflix? 655 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.839 Yeah, it's amazing what TV looked like in two thousand 656 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.440 and four or whatever. It's like, how the fuck will 657 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.359 we watch it? Where our TIV is that small that 658 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.160 we didn't notice how pixelated. Even these guys are enormous 659 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.599 and there's still like four pixels, So it's it's bizarre 660 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.880 how quickly those things move. So there's just like an 661 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.279 inherent old nurse and some of the voices are a 662 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.279 little different, I guess, and that sort of thing. But yeah, 663 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.880 it wasn't like a conscious thing to discredit. It just 664 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:01.559 feels different. 665 00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.000 I guess it's the equivalent of in the mid nineties 666 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.039 my parents putting on a cartoon from the sixties and saying, 667 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.240 watch this and enjoy it. You know, you'll enjoy the Flintstones. 668 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.599 Brendan Well, I did enjoy the Flintstones. But for you, though, Tom, 669 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.240 what makes a good Simpsons song? For me? I prefer 670 00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.920 to have as many of the town's people involved as possible, 671 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.920 which is why we put the spring in Springfoot is 672 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:21.759 my favorite Simpsons song. But for you personally, what do 673 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.880 you want out of a Simpson song? Yeah? 674 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:26.599 I think like there's an inherent catchiness that I like 675 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:28.640 a lot like there's things that get they're just earworms 676 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.000 that get stuck in your head. I like, I was 677 00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:35.480 trying to think about how they're not necessarily gag heavy, 678 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:40.480 but some songs feel a lot more kind of dense 679 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.680 than others in a good way, where it's just there's 680 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:44.720 detail in that. I think about that Stonecutters song and 681 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.480 the interplay between like you know, the Martian popping up 682 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.559 and Steve Gutenberg being there and like all that sort 683 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.960 of stuff that I quite enjoy. I think also for 684 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.240 seeing my vest, that kind of the interplay between what 685 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.400 you're seeing or what you're hearing is fun, I think, 686 00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.839 whereas compared to like I feel as if the Monorail 687 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.960 song an episode is meant to be this this triumph 688 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.720 and it's fantastic, But like watching it in the clip 689 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:09.759 was like, this is quite short, isn't it Like it's 690 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:10.799 over before you know it? 691 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:12.000 So I think it is. 692 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.319 It's that combination of like, yeah, catchiness and then and 693 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.200 then the kind of other jokes in it are the 694 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:17.640 little funny moments in it. 695 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.279 I think with the Mono Rail episode in general, just 696 00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:22.640 having Conan's name attached to it just makes it just 697 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.240 feel cooler. 698 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:24.160 Is that what it is. 699 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.519 It's very wacky. And it was the first episode where 700 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.640 Matt Groening literally said to them, look, because he didn't 701 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.079 want to do the Lenar Nimoy gag at the end 702 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.359 where he disappears like Star Trek, right, he was very 703 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.720 much against that. He wanted to keep it as real 704 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.400 as possible, realistic as possible, and then he said, fine, 705 00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.480 just go with it, right, and it worked and it's 706 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.079 like it just went crazy. People love that gag. And 707 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.079 then that's when Matt Grany went, fine, go have fun 708 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:46.519 with the show. 709 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.880 Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I mean, I love I love 710 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.279 Phil Hartman, and again all everything that he ever did 711 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.759 was before my time. But the more I find out 712 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.559 about him, and I love Troy McClure, and I love 713 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.359 Lionel Hearts and I think him having a bit of 714 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.640 a that character is so perfect for him and his voice. 715 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.119 So yeah, I can see why people get attached it. 716 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.279 And you're right, it is the Conan one. Even I mean, 717 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.519 how involved was Conan though? 718 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.039 You guys know he's from the writing stuff until he 719 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:14.440 had the Late Night Is that what he started with 720 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.720 Late Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so he was a head writer, right, No, 721 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.400 he was never head writer. No no, but he was 722 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.759 on the writing team. But the episodes he wrote were 723 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.480 Homer goes to college large versus the Monorail and he's 724 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.160 one that no one seems to really talk about, which 725 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:28.400 is one of my favorite ones. This new kid on 726 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.440 the block where Laura Powers moves in next door the 727 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.640 older girl. Oh oh yeah, she starts dating Jimbo at 728 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.519 the end and Mode comes to kill him that one, 729 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:38.680 And that's They've got the B plot of Homer with 730 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:40.599 the OI you can Eat buffet. That's the B plot. 731 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:46.319 Oh yeah, so just absolute bang. It's from Conan I think. Yeah. 732 00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:49.519 The reason that I'm that I enjoyed the Monorail song 733 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.039 so much is just I feel the ingenuity not just 734 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.640 of La Lanley, but also I'm just sort of swept 735 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:57.839 up in his spiel. You know, I'm like, oh God, 736 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.200 I'd be all over a monorail of this general was 737 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.240 selling it to me. But then you you've got sort 738 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.240 of like a triple layer of ingenuity because you can 739 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.240 feel what Phil Harton's bringing to the table as well, 740 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.559 just the joy in his performance. And then you're thinking 741 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.920 about Conan Or and well, I guess everyone in the 742 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:14.720 writing room sort of adding their two cents to it. Yeah, 743 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.440 it just feels like everybody's sort of working at the 744 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.640 peak of their powers, even if it is brief. Yeah, 745 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:22.279 but no, for mine just works just so well. And 746 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.519 it's one of those things as well where everybody gets 747 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.680 a moment and it all feels relevant to their characters 748 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.720 as well. So yeah, that's why I'm the big fan 749 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:30.079 of that one. 750 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:31.519 And if you haven't seen it, he did do a 751 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:33.359 live performance of it. Have you seen that time? 752 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.240 I have seen that at the Hollywood Bowl. 753 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.559 Yes, yeah, very very good. All right, So shall we 754 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.839 get into our favorite moments from all singing and all dancing. 755 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:44.319 Let's get in my favorite. I really liked that line 756 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.680 at the start when Homer returns from the video store 757 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.000 and he says they're putting on the waiting li for exale? 758 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.720 What is it waiting to exale? But then he not 759 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.000 the whole air breath. Yeah, it's great joke. 760 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.839 What I loved about that though, was just that I 761 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.759 don't know if you'll appreciate this time as a stand up, 762 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:00.480 but it just had that kind of mind and have laughter. 763 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.680 What there's that gift from the sins as well with 764 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.079 the stand up guys going eh eh, doing a hand 765 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.759 jester almost but like home was waiting for the reactions, 766 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.519 Like the joke's kind of hackney, but it's also kind 767 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.279 of perfect. I loved it for that reason. 768 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.640 No, I agree. I think it's a it's a it's 769 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.480 a great like it's a joke joke, which I love, 770 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:17.440 Thank you for very good. 771 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:18.960 And being a clip show, it's hard to sort of 772 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.720 find favorite moments, isn't it, because there's just not much 773 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:21.720 original content in. 774 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.839 There, especially because and I know we're meant to be 775 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.400 talking about favorite moments, it's not going to be shoting 776 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.599 on the episode yet. But like I think the sort 777 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.200 of jukebox musical approach. I don't even know it's called, 778 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.960 but you know what do they there's a name for it, 779 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.519 like Hamilton, where they they're singing the whole time once 780 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.440 the musical starts. And I think that stuff in between 781 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.440 the clips is so forgettable. 782 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.720 Oh absolutely, I actually I didn't mind that. I thought 783 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.480 at least they're having fun with the concept. It's not 784 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.599 just hey, here's a bunch of clips, at least because 785 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.359 it's a musical that they're showing all the songs. At 786 00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:49.920 least they turned it into something different. 787 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.079 Yeah, I get that, but I just feel like they 788 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:56.160 did the most first thought version, Like they weren't really 789 00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:57.839 too funny in the way they did that, Whereas I 790 00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.599 think that waiting to exhale thing, You're right, that's it's 791 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.319 a good jo did a joke joke up front? I 792 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:01.640 like that. 793 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:03.759 Yeah, I think I've written down could live without the 794 00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:04.640 Snake interludes. 795 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.279 Yeah, particularly him pointing a gun at Maggie. I was like, 796 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.480 I just don't think that. I feel that that's a 797 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.400 reason for cancelation in twenty twenty five, and I think 798 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:13.519 you would do that anymore right. 799 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.160 Also, he pulls the trigger five times, he goes to 800 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.039 kill the entire Simpsons family. 801 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.079 Yeah, I just couldn't believe that he pointed a gun 802 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.359 at the baby and pulled and pulled the trigger. Grand 803 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.480 there was a bullet in. But I thought and apparently 804 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.039 the senses weren't happy with that, and I thought it 805 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.200 was probably a good reason when I'm all for dark comedy, 806 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.359 but pointing a gun maybe because silm my dad. Now 807 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.079 I don't know, but I was like, oh, boy. 808 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:34.759 Well, because Snake was always a crook, but he was 809 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.079 never just like a psychopath and he's like, for some reason, 810 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.720 he's killing all the Simpsons for no reason, Like for 811 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.759 what for a copy of Paint Your Wagon on VHS? 812 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.039 Was that? Was that why he was doing it? I 813 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:46.319 thought he was just breaking him because he didn't like 814 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:48.240 the singing. Oh is that what it was? I thought. 815 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.079 I thought he was on the run from someone, like 816 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:51.799 he needed somewhere to sort of whole up. It was like, 817 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.200 oh God, I've come to a house where people are 818 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.160 singing for no reason. 819 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.839 Here is snake. 820 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.599 Yeah, basically speaking of Paint your Wagon, that's probably I mean, 821 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.599 this was I guess original to this episode. 822 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:03.680 I mean, that wasn't in anything else, was it this? No? 823 00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:05.559 No, no, this is the framing device for this episode. 824 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:07.400 It's something that I enjoyed. I mean, it's been a 825 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.920 while since I've watched this episode, but the whole as 826 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:12.639 I said, I'm generation X, I'm a little bit older. 827 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.280 But so I've got memories of Lee Marvin, whereas you know, 828 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.119 other people are going to go, who's this old crustacean? 829 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.920 But I love how they referred him as always drunken, violent, 830 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:26.559 which Lee Marvin reportedly was okay, But I think it 831 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.800 was Dan c who's doing the singing voice for Lee Marvin, 832 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.440 which was really good. I mean, I queued up some 833 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.760 clips from Paint Your Wagon before we started a recording 834 00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.360 to day Lee Marvin is actually doing that kind of 835 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.920 singing in Paint Your Wagon. He's a lot like Leonard Cohen. 836 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.119 I mean, I was surprised, so clean east with singing 837 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.519 voice not that great Lee Marvin's. 838 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.719 I actually have the Paint Your Wagon vinyls. What the heck? 839 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:51.159 Jmie Spencer's that head? 840 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.840 Well. I bought this for four dollars at the record 841 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.840 sale last year. I thought I didn't know it was 842 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:57.480 a real thing. I grew up just thinking that this 843 00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:59.039 was just a made up movie because it just seemed 844 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.199 so ridiculous. Obviously it's is it a musical? It is 845 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.840 a musical, Yeah, but it's not about painting wagon and 846 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:06.559 things like that, right, No. Essentially, it's kind of like 847 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.920 a musical version of Deadwood. Okay. But I'm just I've 848 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.639 saw it and I thought, wait, that's a real thing. 849 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:13.079 I have to took a photo of it, put on 850 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.000 the page and whatnot, and yeah, I just thought this 851 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.079 was just a made up, ridiculous musical that the Simpsons 852 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:18.320 just thought they'd put together for the show. 853 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.119 I discovered the same thing because I googled Paint your 854 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.760 Wagon looking for like the song, and the first thing 855 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.840 comes up as a Wikipedia page for the Lee Marvin movie. 856 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:29.639 I'm like, I had no idea it was actually I 857 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:31.719 know it was real. So is it, like you say, 858 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.880 musical version of Deadwood? Is it dark? Like? Is it 859 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.000 meant to be kind of brooding? Or is it a pistack? 860 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.840 It's a serious story with it's not necessarily a deep 861 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.119 and meaningful musical, but nor is it kind of a 862 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.159 all sing all dancing romp. Right, Okay, Yeah, it's a 863 00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.920 light drama with songs, l like Western drama with songs. 864 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.280 So does Clint Eastwood actually sing it? He does? Yeah? 865 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:56.880 Really, you can find clips of it on YouTube. I mean, 866 00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.280 I actually recommend checking out the song Born under a 867 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.280 Wandering Star. It's Lee Marbin song. And like I said, 868 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:02.880 he's got. 869 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.679 This throaty bourbon for breakfast. Possibly true. 870 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.239 Leonard Cohen is kind of voice. 871 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.039 Yeah, Okay, check that out. 872 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.320 Yeah, Paint your Wagon anyway, let's give it some trivia. 873 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.199 Next question, you there eating the Beast. 874 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.599 My first question for you, gentlemen, is what color do 875 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:24.280 they actually paint the wagon green green? Correct, not red 876 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:29.440 with blood? I did that with blood. Or My first 877 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.880 question is what kind of pine is the wagon made of? 878 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.159 Oh that's my next question. I'll let you answer it, Tom. 879 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.840 Ponder rose pine. I this was one of these things 880 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.440 that I missed that I would always sing to myself 881 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:41.719 when I was a kid. I don't know what I 882 00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:43.760 thought it was, but I definitely didn't know. Was ponder 883 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:45.360 just made up a word? That's what I used to do? 884 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.199 Yeah? Yeah, do do you finally still do that now? 885 00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.760 With songs from your child or that you've never bothered 886 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:51.239 to look at the lyrics for you like, I'm just 887 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.440 going to go with the sound that I used to 888 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:53.199 make when I was a child. 889 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.679 Yeah, yeah, easier that way, I think I I thought 890 00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.760 it was oh so fine, was what I thought they 891 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.960 were saying. Okay, because the wood is fine, oh so fine? 892 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:08.679 Yeah, well right, you've just told my other question. He 893 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:09.840 was from others, mister Davis. 894 00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.199 The b Sharps are performing Baby on Board on top 895 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.079 of most bar. The Young paper Boy is selling a 896 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.920 copy of the Springfield Shopper. What is the main headline 897 00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.559 on the cover of the Springfield Shopper? Oh, God, it's 898 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.480 in relation to the bee sharps. It has nothing to 899 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:24.119 do with the shapes. 900 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:25.400 If that wouldn't make sense with it now, I have 901 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:26.639 no idea. Do you know, Tom? 902 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.320 I remember thinking it as I was watching. 903 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.679 Is it something about like, here's a clue, it's weather related? 904 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:35.400 Weather related? Oh, I'm out. 905 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.320 Then, I don't know, no idea. Snowstorm hits the Midwest, 906 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:39.360 hits the Midwest. 907 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.159 It's getting that. 908 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:41.679 It's just it's just it's not what he said it 909 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.960 says it is, all right, one more question. We'll get 910 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.000 into this. Well, I imagine we'll all know this. 911 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.559 But where has Lar Lanley sold monorails in the past? 912 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:50.320 That's easy. 913 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.079 Oh, this is again one of these things that I 914 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.920 got kind of Ogdenville, something in North Haverbrook. What's the 915 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:56.400 middle one? 916 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:02.679 Ogdenville. It's not unlike Broadway. I was gonna say, I'm 917 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.400 out Broadway, Brockway, Rockway, Ogdenville and North have Brook and 918 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:08.880 by gummy put them on the map. 919 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.000 God, that's a great line. Have you guys did you 920 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.719 I brought up before ever watched Supernatural? Do you give 921 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:14.639 a do you know? 922 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.440 The show? Bits and pieces? So I never really got 923 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:18.880 into it, but more life always goes This looks like 924 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.360 a show we should get into it. And I'm like, ah, 925 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.400 do I want to commit fifteen seasons to this show? 926 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:23.440 Is it worth committing to? 927 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.400 Probably not, But there is a moment in it where 928 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.480 there is a series of attacks happening, and they happen 929 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.039 in Ogdenville, Brockway and north have Rock and it's just 930 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.280 like this little it's totally walked over. They don't make 931 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:35.800 a big song and dance about it a little eastrike, 932 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.119 which ilways appreciated. 933 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.000 Best kind of gag. I find that a lot, not 934 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.000 just even with kids shows, where you just see the 935 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.199 little Simpsons gags hidden throughout which the kids have no 936 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.800 idea about, but the adults watching the parents go, I 937 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.559 know you did there. Blue is a big one for that. 938 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:49.280 And we actually had the guy that made the music 939 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.960 for Blue Josh Bush, on the on the podcast. Yeah, 940 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.760 and he was so heavily influenced by the Simpsons when 941 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.239 he wrote the music for Bluey that makes sense. Yeah, 942 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.159 And he said he tried to basically replicate songs in 943 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.320 the Key of Springfield with the first Bluey album. And 944 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:04.920 once you hear him say that, you go, you know 945 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.599 what it actually makes a lot of sense because I'm 946 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.159 a big fan of blu In music. No, the kids 947 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.199 love it, so it's always on. But it's actually really good, 948 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.880 uplifting music. But in between the songs it has little 949 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.320 bits of dialogue from that particular episode as well. 950 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.679 Yeah, right, that's cool. Oh nice. I have absolutely no 951 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:20.559 reason to like Bluey, but I really do. I have 952 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.280 no kids or anything. I have a friend who has kids, 953 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:23.880 and he's like, blue is actually quite good. And I think, 954 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.000 you know, they've done such a good job, like the 955 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.559 cricket episode of the State of Origin episode, giving people 956 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.079 like adults or reason to engage with it, and it's fantastic, 957 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:33.440 so impressive if you. 958 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.280 My wife wasn't into cricket, right, and then she watched 959 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.440 the Bluey episode about cricket and it's almost like it 960 00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.800 explains to someone, this is what cricket's about. 961 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.000 You know, yeah, one hundred percent. And as Australians we 962 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:46.599 need a talking dog to explain emotions to us. Whoever, Like, 963 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:48.400 I really care about this, but I don't know how 964 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:48.800 to put it. 965 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:50.920 We need a talking dog to explain most things to 966 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.440 or something, Yeah, exactly albut needs to get someone like. 967 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.199 That in the cabinet. That dog could sell anything. Oh man, 968 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.960 all right, so the visual aid of all singing all down. 969 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.360 It was January fourth, nineteen ninety eight. The top three 970 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.119 films at the US box office when this episode aired. 971 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.000 Number one, Titanic, number two, Tomorrow Never Dies, Double O seven, 972 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:11.519 number three. As good as it gets, God, we used 973 00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:12.480 to build things in this country. 974 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:14.800 What's as good as it gets? 975 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.760 That's Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt. It's by James L. 976 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.880 Brooks of The Simpsons. 977 00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:20.679 Oh wow, there you go. 978 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.920 It's the best at the best actress, I believe. So. Yeah, 979 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.639 it went best film as well. No, no, it's Titanic. Titanic. 980 00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.320 The Titanic went best film. It did. 981 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.719 James Cameron was king of the world. He declared it 982 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.440 to all in sundry and everyone kind of went, this guy, do. 983 00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.119 Your thoughts on Titanic? Tom still never seen it? You've 984 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.280 never seen it? Look, it's one of those things where 985 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:39.760 you just sort of have to have seen it. I mean, 986 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.239 I I was what ten when that movie came out, 987 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.519 so it was just it was everywhere what we what 988 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.199 you were? You born nineteen ninety two two, So yeah, 989 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:49.159 I'm not surprised me you haven't seen it, Okay. 990 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.519 So I think I actually talking about fiin versus history. 991 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.159 Before they just did an episode of The Titanic they 992 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.440 listened to and they bring up about you know, because 993 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.639 James Cameron's a huge scene nerd, and like he brought 994 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.159 a lot of a lot of things that he in 995 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:01.719 the film he kind of brought through with it. I 996 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.840 think it's a combination of like there's a weird thing 997 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:08.119 about films that have become cultural centerpieces where I feel 998 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.360 like I already know so much of it. I know 999 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.320 how it ends, I know what the thing is, I 1000 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.239 know all the key scenes, like it's been parodied in 1001 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.599 everything a million times. So it's like I feel the 1002 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.440 same way about the sixth sense, where I know it 1003 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.480 is this cultural landmark, and yet I know that I 1004 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:24.480 know the thing that made. 1005 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:26.159 It what it is. If you know the twist, it 1006 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.280 just there's no point, is there? 1007 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.000 So what's the point? 1008 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.639 But there is, I'm sure, But because then you get 1009 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.960 pleasantly surprised when you watch something like Titanic all the 1010 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.320 sixth sense and you realize the skill that's gone into it, 1011 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:40.000 the yeah, the power of the performances, or that you 1012 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.960 know the virtuosity of the filmmaking technique. 1013 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.119 And it's a pleasant surprise in that regard. 1014 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.039 Yeah, you think you know everything and then to discover 1015 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.079 a little bit more is kind of like, oh wow, Okay. 1016 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.880 I'm sure either there's there's I mean, especially with the 1017 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.000 quality of the cast and the director and all the accolades. 1018 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.960 But I think probably the more honest reason I haven't 1019 00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:59.559 was I just always it was a chick film. I 1020 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.360 just all thought it was a film for chicks, and 1021 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.880 I think as a young boy that was just like, no, 1022 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:06.840 you can't like that, Like, why would I watch it? 1023 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:07.679 What's the risk? 1024 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:08.480 Is? I enjoy it? 1025 00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:09.519 And then I like a girl thing. 1026 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.039 But there's also the element of it's not something you're 1027 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:13.360 going to have on a date note because it goes 1028 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:14.599 for so long as well, You're like, I don't have 1029 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.360 to sit for three hours and watch it. I want 1030 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:17.719 to commit to a ninety minute chick flick. 1031 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.039 I made a New Year's resolution this year that I 1032 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.400 was going to watch all ten Best Picture nominees, and 1033 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.039 every time I go onto Netflix, just that the thumbnail 1034 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.559 of Wicked is just like staring at me. I'm like, 1035 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.440 I don't want to watch this. I don't care so long. 1036 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:32.000 My kids keep asking to watch it. I'm like, no, 1037 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:38.440 that's too scary. That's great, but yeah, yeah, So Titanic 1038 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:39.880 was number one at the US box off was number 1039 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.320 one for a long time, wasn't it. Oh? 1040 00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:44.519 Yes, from ninety seven into Yeah. I think it was 1041 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.480 in the top ten for something like four months, maybe 1042 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:51.079 even more. Actually no, sorry, it was in cinemas for 1043 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:52.360 over a year. 1044 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.639 Yeah, that's crazy, that's wid. This show is brought to 1045 00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.159 you by the four figure Discount Patreon, where you'll find 1046 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.159 over one hundred hours of bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpson's 1047 00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.960 reviews and commentaries, as well as exclusive episodes of Going 1048 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.800 Down to South Park, Tales of Futurama, Bob's Pods, Speaking 1049 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.039 of the Hill, Talking Sifould, the One about Friends, and 1050 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.719 so much more. So go ahead and join the family 1051 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.480 today at patreon dot com slash four finger discount. The 1052 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.679 episode was directed by Mark Irvin, written by Steve O'Donnell, 1053 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.079 and the catch gag was the one where the floor 1054 00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:26.079 it's a treadmill. The family get onto the catch except 1055 00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:27.480 for home and it gets stuck and it gets going 1056 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.480 underneath the whole thing. So an think a nice shout 1057 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.360 out to the Jetsons. Yes, that's right, Yeah it is 1058 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:32.760 too hot. 1059 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.639 Yeah, this is a question you guys are definitely the 1060 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:36.320 answer to. And I think I know the answer. I 1061 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.079 just want to check. Is every couch gag you nick 1062 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:39.480 the couch gag? 1063 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:40.760 They repeat them often they do. 1064 00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:44.039 Yeah, Oh, they're environmentally friendly. They recycle a few gags. 1065 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.119 Yeah, yeah, right, Like the big song and dance one 1066 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:48.199 with the circus. That one gets used a lot. That's 1067 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:51.079 the one where they back in the classic era, if 1068 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.039 an episode was running short, throw that one out there 1069 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.760 because it goes fight forty seconds. You know, that's how 1070 00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:56.360 they pat them out. You find it a lot more 1071 00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.760 in season twenty now even, but really modern ones. They 1072 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.840 have couch gags now where I'll bring in a you know, 1073 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.559 an artist to do this particular couch gag or a 1074 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:06.239 new director and it might go for like two and 1075 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.039 a half minutes. And I'm sitting here thinking, Jesus Christ, 1076 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.840 it's a short film as opposed to a couch gag. 1077 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:12.159 It's their way of padding them out. 1078 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:13.719 That's interesting. I didn't know that. 1079 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.559 But the episode kicks off with Homer and Bart getting 1080 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.400 home from the video store. We got the popcorn. 1081 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:21.320 Did you get waiting to exhale? 1082 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.280 They put us on a waiting to exhale waiting list, 1083 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:25.800 but they said, don't hold your breast. 1084 00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.480 I just think it's amazing that there was a time 1085 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.119 where you'd have to put your name down on a 1086 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:33.840 list to potentially hire a film, you know, down the line. 1087 00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:35.679 Because now we just have everything at our fingertips. We 1088 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.239 can just I can pull up my phone and download 1089 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:38.440 and moving whenever I want you now and have it 1090 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.719 read to watch in five minutes. But there was a 1091 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.480 time where you have to go to a store and 1092 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.000 they tell you, sorry, we haven't got any copies in. 1093 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:45.679 You have to go put my name down, please wait 1094 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.199 for that phone call, then go back to the store, 1095 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.599 pick it up, return it, rewind it potentially. It was 1096 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:53.159 just crazy times you have to delay gratification like some caveman. 1097 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:55.440 It's just it was so much better it was. 1098 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.559 I mean again, it's classic. Like I'm nostalgic for a 1099 00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:03.760 time I barely remember. But I just think every time 1100 00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:06.480 I start a film now on TV, I'm like, are 1101 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.199 you sure this is the best film you could be watching? 1102 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.519 If there are literally so many a million others you 1103 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.239 could be watching right now, or a TV show, or 1104 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:13.599 read a book or put your phone on. It's just 1105 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.760 like just the idea of we've come back with this video. 1106 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.480 We paid nine dollars for it. We're fucking watching it 1107 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.320 three times, getting your money's worth. Whether you like it 1108 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:23.159 or not, we're watching it. 1109 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.639 But there wasn't that thrill though, of hiring something that 1110 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.519 you weren't quite sure about as well, and the excitement 1111 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.199 of getting home going I hope this is good, and 1112 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.920 then most often it wasn't. But you know, sometimes you'd 1113 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:35.440 find a classic and it would become your personal classic, 1114 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.920 like I love this for me. A movie that everyone 1115 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.960 hates but I love was called Mac and Me from 1116 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.400 the eighties, like an et rip off right, oh speak 1117 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.639 Paul Rudd always Paris parodies on Cone and he says, 1118 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.840 he's a clip for my movie, and he shows the 1119 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.519 clip of the kid in the wheelchair falling off a cliff. 1120 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.119 So that's Mac and Me. But for me, I was like, 1121 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.000 and you got to the point where the guy the 1122 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:56.519 video store said, you just want to keep it, mate, 1123 00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:57.719 because no one else hires this movie. 1124 00:45:58.320 --> 00:45:58.800 So fun. 1125 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.760 I was thinking had this last night actually, because you know, 1126 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:03.159 there's a lot of talk about the death of the 1127 00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.840 mid budget movie, and everything's either a blockbuster of these 1128 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.280 days or a very small, sort of under the radar. 1129 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:09.039 Cult hit, niche thing. 1130 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.719 Yeah, yeah, niche thing. But like these mid level movies 1131 00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.119 still exists. You'll just find them on Disney Plus or 1132 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.119 on Prime or whatever. They don't have a lot of publicity. 1133 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.400 And I know, I thought, Okay, I'm going to run something. 1134 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.719 I've heard a little bit about. It could be garbage, 1135 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:23.119 but it could be. 1136 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:26.000 A little gem called any Meaning, starring Astralian actor Samara 1137 00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.199 Weaver as this getaway driver. It's like a very sub 1138 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:30.639 Tarantino crime caper. 1139 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:33.159 It was garbage. 1140 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.039 I turned it off halfway thround, like I really don't 1141 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.400 have enough time left in my life for this bullshit. 1142 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:39.920 But in ninety ninety eight you would have committed to 1143 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.880 the whole things you paid for it. Quite possibly, that's 1144 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:42.199 the point. 1145 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:42.599 Yeah. 1146 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:42.920 Yeah. 1147 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.719 But at the same times, like, okay, but these gems 1148 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.360 might be out there. I've got to sort of not 1149 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:49.960 just say, oh, well, it's a new Avengers product or 1150 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.480 a new Star Wars product or something. 1151 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.360 It's like, it's all licenses now, isn't it. 1152 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:55.480 I don't I don't know what this could be. This 1153 00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.280 could be great, or it could be garbage. Turned out 1154 00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:58.760 to be garbage, But what are you going to do? 1155 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.800 There's this idea in marketing they talk about like I 1156 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:03.039 don't know if you've heard this before. This might be 1157 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.199 very boring, but there's this thing called like maximizers and satisfies. 1158 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:06.880 You ever heard of these? 1159 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:08.639 I haven't tell me about. I'm interested. 1160 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.679 A maximizer is it's a way of thinking about something 1161 00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:13.599 that you're buying or choosing. And a maximizer was like, 1162 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.960 I'm trying to get the best possible thing possible, whereas 1163 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.800 a satisfier like I'm just looking for it to tick 1164 00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:20.519 the following boxes. And it's fine. And this guy makes 1165 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.079 his point like there's a time when if you went 1166 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.159 out to buy a pair of jeans, you went to 1167 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.079 the Jeens store and you made the best decision with 1168 00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:28.679 with what you had to choose from, and you went home, 1169 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.239 and if you didn't like the jeans, it was the 1170 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.800 Jens's fault, like it was whoever made the jeens. Whereas 1171 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:34.519 now you go to a Geen store and you have 1172 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:40.960 a million like bootcut, straight line, thin leg, whatever, blue, black, gray, navy, 1173 00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:43.480 and if you've chosen the wrong one. It's on you, 1174 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.480 like you had the perfect pair of jeans in there somewhere, 1175 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.400 you just didn't pick them. And it feels the same 1176 00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.599 way right where it's like it used to be okay 1177 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.199 with watching a garbage movie, like that wasn't a problem 1178 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:55.639 because you just did the best with what you had, 1179 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.199 Whereas now it's like, well, you could have watched something 1180 00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.079 good and you didn't, so I guess you're an idiot 1181 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.079 and you dwell on it, oh for sure, and you 1182 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:02.840 just like, what a wasted three hours? I could have 1183 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:04.960 spent that watching the Simpsons for my podcast. 1184 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.400 So good versus good enough essentially? 1185 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.679 Oh for sure? Yeah? Yeah, like oh no, the best 1186 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:10.679 versus good enough? 1187 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:11.079 That's right. 1188 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.239 Yeah, but yeah, my, just while we're doing mid level 1189 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:15.639 kind of like things that throw under the radar, have 1190 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:16.639 you guys seen Companion? 1191 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:17.960 Not yet? 1192 00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:23.199 Fantastic it's on It's on HBO HBO Max, And it's 1193 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:24.760 one of those movies of like the less you know 1194 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.679 about it, the better. But it's kind of like near 1195 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.559 future sci fi sort of thing. It really really great. 1196 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.320 Loved it, And that name Companion is not what I 1197 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:36.039 relate to sci fi either. Yeah, it makes sense when 1198 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:37.599 you see it again. It's this weird thing, like even 1199 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.320 just seeing the poster kind of give something away a 1200 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.519 little bit. And I've kind of heard things about it, 1201 00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:43.360 but I think if you go in totally totally blankets 1202 00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:45.360 just I was like that with Galaxy Quest. You ever 1203 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.719 seen Galaxy Quest? No, if you like sci fi, check 1204 00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:52.480 out Galaxy Quest. You'll absolutely love it. It's Tim Allen, 1205 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.960 it's nineteen ninety nine. I think it is. So you 1206 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:56.000 look at the post and your game and I aren't 1207 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.280 going to watch this, but no, it's it's a parody 1208 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.880 of sci fi essentially, but with love with heart. 1209 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.559 Yeah, Tim al Sigourney Weaver and the late Alan Rickman. 1210 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.280 Interest Okay, because yeah, like I said, I saw Naked Gun, 1211 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.079 loved it and loved parodies growing up. Loved the Naked Gun, 1212 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.679 loved air Plane, loved the scare movie franchise. But I've 1213 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.119 never seen that. I've never seen space Balls either, which 1214 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:16.559 I believe is the other one people talk about. 1215 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.119 Yeah, we just reviewed Spaceballs on the Movie Guy with 1216 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.519 Lynda Malton, and it's yeah, it's oh really, it's got 1217 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.840 this nostalgia for it now, but it's not that great 1218 00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:25.039 as it. 1219 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.000 It's when Melbo Brooks was starne to lose his speedball 1220 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:29.159 a little bit loser ball. 1221 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.360 Okay, yeah, it's fine. I mean, if you like Star Wars, 1222 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.440 you like it more. I guess you're yeah, you're Star 1223 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.760 Wars fan. No, yeah, then probably won't care. 1224 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:37.559 Let's move on. 1225 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.800 But Lisa, she wanted Emma, but of course somebody didn't 1226 00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:43.880 get that. He got Joshua Logan's Paint Your Wagon and 1227 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:46.719 Shoo Up Western with Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin and 1228 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.440 Barton Hope. They're expecting bloody Mayhem, but instead they get 1229 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:51.840 a musical. You know, they're singing March. Why an't they 1230 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.440 killing each other? And there was that time, as we're discussing, 1231 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.159 you'd hire a movie and you're excited for what you 1232 00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.400 thought it was going to be and it's just not that. Yeah, 1233 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.199 a movie I always bring up and I know as 1234 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.480 we're gonna talking about it was my I would have 1235 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.280 been year nine birthday party, maybe fourteen ish, and there 1236 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.440 was a movie called Bloodsucking Freaks and it was sort 1237 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.480 of hid in this dark corner of the video store 1238 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.159 and the front cover looked awesome. It was like, you know, 1239 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.920 graphic design murder and whatnot. On the back cover there 1240 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:16.679 was naked women. I was like, this is perfect for 1241 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:18.559 a fourteen year old party, and we put it on 1242 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.159 and it was not what we were expecting. It was 1243 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:22.199 what is it? 1244 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.880 It's sort of like some weird indie art movie, but 1245 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.079 incredibly transgressive. It's like John Waters making a horror movie. 1246 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.880 All right. They torture women on stage and the people 1247 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.920 in the audience don't realize that they're actually killing the women, 1248 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.320 but they're just like women getting their arms cut off 1249 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.320 and things. We're sitting there going, who's gonna say it? 1250 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:41.280 This is? This is weird? Right, And suddenly we've talked 1251 00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:42.679 about on the show in the past. How about you? 1252 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.320 If you're known as the film guy or you know, 1253 00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.679 the person who likes pop culture in your sort of 1254 00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.920 circle of friends or whatever, you're generally gonna be entrusted with, like, oh, guy, 1255 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.400 I'll bring us over a movie. And I've done this 1256 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.480 in the past where I brought over Hey, guys, I 1257 00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.239 have for scaring a lot of pressure and it turns 1258 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:58.960 out to be something just wildly gross and in appropriate 1259 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.559 that just makes everyone feeling comfortable as opposed like a 1260 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:02.199 jump scare. 1261 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.320 It's kind of like, what kind of. 1262 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:06.559 Sick freak are you that you brought this over and 1263 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:07.679 thought it would entertain this. 1264 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.559 There's just nothing worse when you put it on and 1265 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.280 you're kind of watching it through their eyes and you're like, 1266 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.199 I've made a horrible decision. Here just look it around, 1267 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:18.719 like please please like this bit, please like this bit. 1268 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:20.159 It's like when you're telling a story and you can 1269 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:21.920 tell halfway through the person you're talking to has no 1270 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.639 interest or any other like do I keep the story 1271 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:25.639 or just to stop? 1272 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:28.119 Yeah, And then you get interrupted and you have to 1273 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:29.800 make the decision of whether you're going to revert it 1274 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.599 or not. If I just don't say anything else, will 1275 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:34.320 anyone bring up that I was in the middle of 1276 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:35.800 the third act of my story. 1277 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.559 It's a kin to when you, Yeah, you're sitting there 1278 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:40.639 to watch Netflix or something it's like or whatever with 1279 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.360 either your friends or your partner, and like, I'd like 1280 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.239 to show you this thing I really really enjoy They 1281 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:46.880 get to take a leak halfway through it, no need 1282 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.760 to stop, It's fine, Oh fuck, god damn it. 1283 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.559 What do you know for in your group? Like you're 1284 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:55.639 the what guy? Like I'm the Simpsons guy. He's the 1285 00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:57.480 movie guy. What are you, tom Well? 1286 00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.280 I mean, like, in my non comedy friends, I'm the 1287 00:51:59.320 --> 00:51:59.760 comedy guy. 1288 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.599 A lot of your friends comedians? Or do you have 1289 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:04.639 like a separate group of friends who are comedians and 1290 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:06.320 separate group of friends who are not comedians? 1291 00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:08.960 Yeah, I mean, like, it's a funny thing about comedy writerers. 1292 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:10.880 You just spend so much time in the same spaces 1293 00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.440 and around the same people. Like it's like any job, right, Like, 1294 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.920 you just spend so much time around those people. And 1295 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.760 I'm also I'm thirty two. A lot of my friends 1296 00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.679 are having kids, Like I'm just I kind of have 1297 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.119 my school friends and the group that have kind of 1298 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.639 coalesced around that, and then I have my comedy friends. 1299 00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.480 The difference is I see my comedy friends four times 1300 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.800 a week. Can I see my school friends twice a year? 1301 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:31.559 That's all you need? 1302 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:33.360 Though, right, Oh, it's a bit march actually, I'd like 1303 00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:34.119 to get it down to one. 1304 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:37.159 Well, the stories that you repeat when you see your 1305 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:38.880 school friends, you know, they can get a little little 1306 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:40.519 stale if you're seeing each other twice a year, but 1307 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:41.920 once a year's do. 1308 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.360 You find you tweet the stories every time you tell them. 1309 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.679 Every time you retell something happened in year ten, is 1310 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.519 that something slightly different happened? The fish gets a little bigger. 1311 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.360 Yeah. Maybe, I don't know. Like, I think it's funny 1312 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.840 how those stories they just get pushed further and further 1313 00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.000 back into the recesses of your mind, Like I totally forgot, 1314 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.840 I haven't thought about that person or that thing and forever. 1315 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:06.000 My friend actually from the from the podcast, Dan Muggleson 1316 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.239 has this joke. I don't think he's ever been able 1317 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.239 to make it work your stage. I think it's so funny, 1318 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.000 he said to me. It was like, I think the 1319 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:12.880 best thing about having an affair was you get to 1320 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:17.599 pull out your old anecdotes again, Like and I'm noticing it. 1321 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.400 My sister's got a new boyfriend and I'm watching my 1322 00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.480 parents do they're like their their classic hits at dinners 1323 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.400 when he's there, Like, oh fuck, we're hearing this again 1324 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.960 all right. The time my dad's got a hat trick 1325 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.119 at hockey and mom didn't watch. It's like, oh god, 1326 00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:29.960 no one cares. 1327 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:31.880 I find I'm driving down the road and have my 1328 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:33.440 wife and I go, do you know what that? And 1329 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.280 my wife's like, yeah, I know You've told me every 1330 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:36.880 time we drive down this street, and I'm like, oh no, 1331 00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:37.639 I'm getting old. 1332 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.679 I'm all out of anecdotes. I have nothing left to contribute. 1333 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.039 You just see the lights that of leave your partnerspace 1334 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:45.280 every time. You're sort of recounty. 1335 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:48.039 But tell us how you met? Oh okay, well you've 1336 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.519 got you've got your rips. You do you do? You 1337 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.599 and your wife have a routine like for what sorry 1338 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:54.880 is like, hey you met on not my wife, not 1339 00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:56.800 we We've got a routine down pat where we tell it. 1340 00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:58.559 We know which who's gonna tell what part? What the 1341 00:53:58.679 --> 00:53:59.679 zinger is? That kind of thing. 1342 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.679 No, I prefer that she joins the audience at that 1343 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:04.679 point and I'll tell the story. 1344 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.679 Okay, yeah, I know your place, so I'll find it. 1345 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.400 Locked with comedians, a lot of them don't like to 1346 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.440 be out with at parties. Do you are you the opposite? 1347 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:13.039 Like when you go to a party, are you very 1348 00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.320 social or do you sort of like trying to stand 1349 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.000 back let everyone else just do that kind of. 1350 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.519 If I'm at a party something already has gone wrong, 1351 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.639 I'd rather not be there at all. I don't know, 1352 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.960 like I'm not a because I also think the person 1353 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.480 I'm on stage, like, I'm not just telling stories from 1354 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.679 my life, I'm like telling a joke that I thought 1355 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.400 of very that I very specifically wrote. I'm very like 1356 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.960 introverted in especially in big groups. I'm the kind of 1357 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.199 guy more at a party, like I'll get stuck in 1358 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.079 one corner with one person for better or for worse, 1359 00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:43.519 and then we'll either be awkward to leave or just 1360 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.639 like be too comfortable to meet anyone else. But no, 1361 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.000 I think, like my I think my wife just has 1362 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.280 a terrible mind for details, and it really frustrates me. 1363 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:52.719 She's like, and we're here, and like, no, we weren't. 1364 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:54.599 We were somewhere else. Let me take this. I've got 1365 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:55.039 it from here. 1366 00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:56.519 Sit down. 1367 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.079 But yeah, so yeah, I think for my school friends, 1368 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.840 I'm the comedy guy. Like that's the thing now, which 1369 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:06.719 is interesting. I have some friends who listen to my 1370 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.599 podcast and they're like, it's really weird because it feels 1371 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:10.239 as if I know everything that's happening in your life 1372 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:14.039 and you have no idea what's happening in my And 1373 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:16.320 then for my comedy friends, I don't know. 1374 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:16.840 I don't know. 1375 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.840 I like, I'm probably you know, my comedy friends I'm 1376 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.760 the guy that has an actual job. Is probably the 1377 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.440 thing your job advertising. 1378 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:26.599 I thought it was something in marketing because you had 1379 00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:30.039 your what was it, yeah, maximizers and your maximizing satisfiers. 1380 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.320 Yes, that's a ted talk I watched a while ago. 1381 00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:35.599 You know, all about a B testing. I'm assuming. 1382 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.760 Oh yeah, oh it's all about a B testing. I'm 1383 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:43.880 I'm b personally, but yeah, it's yeah, Jesus crast. 1384 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.880 This conversation is over. I'm not submitted. I'm sorry. 1385 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:51.880 I'm not I'm not trying to detegrate to the fine 1386 00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:53.719 art and science of marketing and all that, but I 1387 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:57.039 was doing little research and finding out about a B testing. 1388 00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.760 It's like, oh, so you're basically giving his options. Yeah, 1389 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.079 giving us two options here? 1390 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.039 Yeah, god forbid, why you got a problem with that. 1391 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:06.719 Of this headline? But we could also try this one. 1392 00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.719 Well, It's like, and again kind of this, the bigger 1393 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:12.559 kind of conversation happened around all this, and it goes 1394 00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.000 back to the fact there are no mid tier kind 1395 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:16.760 of movies anymore, and we're just do the same thing. 1396 00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:18.840 It's like, no one wants to take a risk, No 1397 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.920 one in any position of decision making wants to take 1398 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:24.599 a risk, so it's like I need data to prove 1399 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:26.840 that this is a good thing before I'm ever going 1400 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:28.360 to put my name next to it. It's the same 1401 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.599 reason it's like it's very hard to like become an 1402 00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:35.360 overnight success or whatever in any in any kind of entertainment, 1403 00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.039 any position of entertainment, whether it's comedy or music or whatever. 1404 00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:40.920 The reps are waiting for the Internet to tell them 1405 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.760 that something is reliable, so they need data and evidence 1406 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:46.199 to be like no, no, no, this this is fine. 1407 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:47.639 This is going to be a hit. And if it is, 1408 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:49.119 and it's not on me, it's on the numbers. 1409 00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:49.760 Yeah. 1410 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.000 I think it's the same with like, you know, advertising 1411 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.039 now is just like it's you don't really get as 1412 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.320 much of these like huge million dollar campaigns out of nowhere, 1413 00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.320 like let's see how this goes. It's more like lots 1414 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.039 of little Facebook ads and if that works, will put 1415 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:03.440 more money into it. Then we'll turn into the TV 1416 00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.280 and if that works, we'll buy some billboards. It's much 1417 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:07.559 more risk averse across everything. 1418 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.880 I think does being a comedian help with your work? 1419 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:11.760 Do you think being able to just talk to people 1420 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:13.519 just sort of be charming. 1421 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:15.960 I think a lot of the skills are similar. I think, 1422 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:19.840 especially like people in advertising love saying that stand up 1423 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:24.559 comedians are sort of like they they are the best 1424 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.800 example of what advertising should be because they're observers of 1425 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.800 human behavior and whatever. But I think it's like it's 1426 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.760 all the same thing, right, which is noticing something interesting 1427 00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:36.159 and saying it in an interesting way is kind of 1428 00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:37.199 what advertising seeks to do. 1429 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.199 I think, Well, you're trying to bring people around your 1430 00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:42.159 way of thinking in a lot of ways. Yeah, in 1431 00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.039 both ways, be persuasive. 1432 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.519 You're constructed. Yeah, in some cases you're constructing an argument. 1433 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.519 In others you like, you're just trying to say something 1434 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.320 in a way that will make people stop and pay 1435 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:53.199 attention to that's right. 1436 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.400 Yeah, we're getting back to the episodes where Lee Marvin right, 1437 00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.840 and despite him being always drunk and violent, Tho sings. 1438 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.519 Who that Lee mar of them could do such marvelous sports, 1439 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:07.800 He's dreamy. 1440 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.199 Why did they have to screw up a perfectly serviceable 1441 00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.719 wagon story with all that fruity singing? 1442 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:18.440 I thought it was to talping fun. 1443 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.199 Singing is the lowest form of communication. Are you singing 1444 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:25.920 all the time? No? I don't I hate to rhyme. 1445 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:28.400 You like musicals, don't you, Dad? 1446 00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:29.639 No, I don't. 1447 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:33.719 I think they're bad. They're fake and phony and totally wrong. 1448 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:39.199 Wake up, Dad, you're singing us song. Now we've noticed 1449 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.239 reviewing the SIMS is obviously the first twenty seasons a 1450 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:44.320 lot of mentions of the word fruity, isn't it? 1451 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:48.280 Well, it's the polite version of the F word, shall 1452 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.039 we say? It's the version you can get away with 1453 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:51.840 in prime time? 1454 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.599 Yeah? It is. Yeah. But then he breaks out and 1455 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.480 singing as well, and Marge puts in some VHS tapes 1456 00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:58.119 to show him clips of him singing in the past. 1457 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.920 We've got the b Shop song, and we put the 1458 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:03.159 Spring in spring Ford, which is my personal favorite as well. 1459 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.320 But then Bart calls him the lame miserable. Was he 1460 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.719 call him the lame misrab la? Yeah, he's as lame 1461 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.480 as a brother, as as Lee Marvin. Then Homer chokes him, 1462 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:14.199 which is a gay. They don't really do anymore, do they. 1463 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.079 We have a season twenty and the sort of stop 1464 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:17.559 that they've gone air it just seems a bit maybe 1465 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:19.800 a bit too cartoon, yeah, or a little too close 1466 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:20.159 to home. 1467 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.039 Yeah, possibly there was like a little bit of controversy 1468 00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.199 about the choking after a while, right, like it became 1469 00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.000 the thing that people were not impressed with. 1470 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.360 But in this time or just now, because people like 1471 00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:30.960 to be offended about many things. 1472 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.280 Oh yeah, I think over time. I think if you 1473 00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.679 guys are noticing it, around season twenty, I feel like 1474 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.280 I remember there being some discussions about whether or not 1475 00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:40.079 that was an appropriate thing to be putting on television. 1476 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:41.960 Yeah, I think that we were reaching a stage where 1477 00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:44.199 it was either this is inappropriate or it just hackeneings 1478 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:44.920 just played out. 1479 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:48.239 Yeah, it's funny that you know, in an episode where 1480 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.320 Homer call Singing gay, we're more worried about the cartoon violence. 1481 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:54.239 Well, it's like, I think it's the same people who 1482 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:56.239 you know, he said those articles where they go I 1483 00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:59.000 just watched Friends for the first time, and it's very complicated. 1484 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.119 It's like it was releasing the nineties. Can we just 1485 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:01.599 calm down? 1486 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:05.360 Yeah, yeah, it's the same as it speaks lother thing, right, Like, 1487 01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.840 can you believe that they were willing to put that 1488 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.000 thing on TV that we all really enjoyed for a while, Like, yeah, 1489 01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:12.360 we all watched it, we all had a great time. 1490 01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:12.840 How dare we. 1491 01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:13.400 Yeah. 1492 01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.239 This show is brought to you by the four Finger 1493 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:19.199 Discount Patreon, where you will find over one hundred hours 1494 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:23.719 of bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as 1495 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.559 well as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, 1496 01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:31.400 Tales of Futurama, Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Sifeld, 1497 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.199 the One About Friends, and so much more. So go 1498 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.320 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com 1499 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.760 slash four finger Discount. But yeah, so this is where 1500 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:43.039 Bart mox Homer. Then they show clips of him singing 1501 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.920 the boy Scouts in the Hood song, which is Springfield Springfield? 1502 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.400 What's that? A parody of New York York from on 1503 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.840 the Town, I believe the Mickuman he says, it's more 1504 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.239 of a millhouse thing. But this is where our man's 1505 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.599 snake enters. And yeah, it just it just felt completely 1506 01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.360 forged ind in it, just like, you know, we have 1507 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.280 to get something happening, so his snake, we need connective tissue. Yeah. 1508 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.000 But then but then we come back from the commercial 1509 01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:08.239 and he starts they start singing, and he just leaves, 1510 01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:09.880 and it's just like, and I read on wiki how 1511 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:11.559 they thought that was a funny game because it's almost 1512 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:12.760 like a screw you to the audience, and I'm like, 1513 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:14.559 we're already putting a clip show on the last thing 1514 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.320 you want to be doing is screwing the audience. Right, 1515 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:17.239 what does he does? 1516 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:18.760 He leave because he's out of bullets? Is that why 1517 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:19.119 he leaves? 1518 01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:21.039 No, he goes. It's just too weird that you guys 1519 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:22.760 are singing I'm going to leave. That's the first time 1520 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:26.000 he leaves. All right, Yeah, so you make you way 1521 01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:27.960 too weird to be hostages when you're singing at me, 1522 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:29.920 someone's going to leave, and then home is actually sad 1523 01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.679 that he that he's left. At least the points out 1524 01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:34.320 that a lot of people in Springfield sing their songs. 1525 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:36.599 Is where we get the who needs the Quickie Mark song? 1526 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.519 We get the sending the Clowns, Crusty, the Clown Special, 1527 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:41.360 and the Semi Vest, which you would have been a 1528 01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.519 fan of I as a kid. See, I wasn't a 1529 01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.920 bit in the Beast fan when I was a kid. 1530 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:46.679 I never really watched those early I think I may 1531 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:48.480 have watched The Little Mermaid, but I was the first 1532 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.840 Disney film Michael remembers like a Laddin and Lion King 1533 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.519 so I had no idea that this was a Disney parody. 1534 01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:57.519 I think, yeah, I probably kind of knew it, but 1535 01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.599 I don't think of it as one. I couldn't tell 1536 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.320 you any of the lyrics have been my guest apart 1537 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:04.320 from being my guest, but I could tell you all 1538 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:04.960 the lyrics. 1539 01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:06.320 To And that's why I think a lot of the 1540 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.239 Simpons parodies work, because that does work in their own 1541 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:08.880 right as well. 1542 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:10.800 Yeah, because I actually sorry to backtrack. I just want 1543 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:11.920 to bring this up because I had this for my 1544 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:14.079 Like again, I don't think many of the lyrics and 1545 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:15.599 these songs are out and that funny. Like, I think 1546 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.360 they're very clever, and I think they're well written. But 1547 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:20.480 I do think in we put the Spring in Springfield, 1548 01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.920 the opening line of you could close down modes of 1549 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:26.800 the quickie mart and nobody would care very funny. 1550 01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:28.800 And he's like looking around, what do you mean? 1551 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:31.639 I've must have been I've got a big laugh out 1552 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:34.000 of who needs the quickie mark? Where I think it's 1553 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:36.719 some I pose things. I'm sorry about the salmonell and moment. 1554 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:40.400 Oh yeah, that's okay, that's okay again one of those 1555 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:41.360 things when I was a kid, I think I had 1556 01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.239 no idea what Salmonell was, and in hindsight, you're right, 1557 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.039 it's like, Wow, he's very nonchalant. 1558 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:46.639 Someone now it's just a fun word to say. It's 1559 01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:48.920 almost like the salsa gag on. So you a Seinfeld fan? 1560 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:51.760 I was thinking about this. No, I'm not, And I 1561 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.000 don't really know why. Everyone who I know who loves 1562 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:56.519 Seinfeld has the same taste that I do. I just 1563 01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.119 never really got into it. Big Friend's household, Bill, big 1564 01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.000 Will and Gray's Household, not Segnfeld. 1565 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:03.559 We had gooxy on and he was the same. He's like, 1566 01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:06.360 all my friends love Seinfeld and he goes as a comedian. 1567 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.679 You almost feel like you have to say that you 1568 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:10.679 are a fan of Signfeld otherwise people will look down 1569 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:10.880 on you. 1570 01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:11.760 Yeah, for sure. 1571 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:13.440 Okay, so we're putting Tom down as a guest for 1572 01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:17.519 going down to South Park, not for talking sign podcast. 1573 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:21.960 Of course, every Day Wear House all. That's how we 1574 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:26.079 pay our mortgage. Mate, what shows that people like growing 1575 01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:29.039 up on? Yes, so this is where what happens after this? 1576 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:30.840 We've got those songs yet, Lisa then says, because they 1577 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.679 overheard him sing mister Burns singing the song that's but 1578 01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:34.960 I save the puppies and busses it, but it wasn't 1579 01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:36.360 worth seeing him to do the song and dance. But 1580 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:37.559 this is where Snake re enters. 1581 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:42.440 I'm back, sir, resume wearding your pounds. 1582 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.639 Okay, because of you all, I got a tune in 1583 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.599 my head and the only way to stop it is 1584 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:51.079 to make you all dead. 1585 01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.239 I knew I should have shut dead window. We come back, 1586 01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:57.920 and this is where Snake pulls the trigger on all 1587 01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.239 of them and realizes he has no AMMO. But so 1588 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.440 this is where Snake's left again, and Homer says, even 1589 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.320 the criminals are beginning to kroon. This is where we 1590 01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:07.480 get the clips of the Monorail song, the Garden of Eden, 1591 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.239 where Bart from bart Selsey Soul, and we get the 1592 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.039 Stonecutter song. And honestly, like I know you said before, 1593 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:14.599 you love the Stonecutter SONGE know you're a big fan. 1594 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.280 I've never quite loved the Stonecutter song as much as 1595 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.400 everybody else, and I can't exactly pinpoint why. Maybe it's 1596 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:23.719 because everyone loves it, I don't know, but I don't know. 1597 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.519 Just it's fun to sing, but I just I'm just 1598 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:28.840 never been a huge fan as much as everybody else. 1599 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.599 I mean, I love that episode and I love the 1600 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:36.800 Stonecutters as a thing. Like imb it's yeah, I don't know. 1601 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:39.920 I have a memory. I'm looking out my my my 1602 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:42.119 marathon choices and it wasn't in there, and I think 1603 01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:45.440 maybe it should be. But like I loved all of 1604 01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.840 the little like the ring that opens the vending machine 1605 01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.360 and the secret doorway with the you know, the tunnel 1606 01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:55.519 straight through to work, like all that stuff. So I 1607 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.199 don't know whether it's just like the episode as a whole, 1608 01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.039 and that song is emblematic of it. But yeah, I 1609 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:01.719 don't know why. I just I do really like it. 1610 01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:03.880 This sounds like someone who believes in the Illuminati. 1611 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.920 Tom Well, yeah, someone who's done their research. 1612 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:12.360 I'm glad you did the Red Stonecutters for me. That 1613 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.719 episode is one I always throw to people when they 1614 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.800 go they ruined canon, you know, the principle and the 1615 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.079 porpi you brought up earlier. How people say that so 1616 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:21.679 with the show went downhill because they retconned a character, 1617 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:23.320 blah blah blah, and I go, have you watched the 1618 01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:27.840 stone Cutters episode. There's no reference to the Stonecutters after that. Yeah, absolutely, 1619 01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:29.840 canon doesn't exist in the Simpsons when you really think 1620 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:30.159 about it. 1621 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.760 Yeah, yeah, that is true. Yeah, every episode is kind 1622 01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:34.599 of a clean slate. 1623 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:37.960 I think it's one of the insidious things about current 1624 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:41.000 pop culture is the reliance on law and canon or 1625 01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:43.519 just strict adherence to It's like, man, just let a 1626 01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:44.199 story be a story. 1627 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.119 Well even I mean, if you look at again, this 1628 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.159 is much more in the new world of it. But 1629 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:52.760 I like how every ten years they do a margin 1630 01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:56.599 Homer kind of origins episode and it's in a different decade. Yeah, 1631 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:58.360 Like I think they obviously that. 1632 01:05:58.519 --> 01:05:58.679 You know. 1633 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:00.760 The problem with canon is I was like, once you've 1634 01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.159 had the same characters with the same age for thirty 1635 01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:05.199 five years or however long, like you kind of need 1636 01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:06.199 to start throwing some stuff out. 1637 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.000 Surely, well, there's new kids watching the show, and it 1638 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:09.800 would make sense to them that the Simpsons would have 1639 01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:10.880 been growing up in the nineties. 1640 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:11.920 Yeah, exactly. 1641 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:14.360 Yeah. Well there's an episode called that ninety Show which 1642 01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:16.079 is where Homer forms the grunge band. Do you remember 1643 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:16.360 that one? 1644 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.800 Yeah? Vaguely. They're kind of like Nirvana esque, right. 1645 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.400 Fucking hate that episode. We really liked it. We both 1646 01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:24.320 really enjoyed it. 1647 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:27.159 But is that again because they're kind of doing a 1648 01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:29.960 reboot because they've done other episodes of like their sort 1649 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.559 of margin Homer getting Together, right, and that was more 1650 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.559 Uh yeah, yeah, So I guess it's maybe that that 1651 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:39.760 people feel like their version of events is being attacked 1652 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:40.880 or something, or people. 1653 01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:42.639 Were saying it's just it doesn't make sense that why 1654 01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:44.519 we watched the Simpsons in the nineties, so how could 1655 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:46.719 they possibly be teens in the nineties, and like because 1656 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.079 it's a fucking cartoon calming. Yeah, Like I thought, it 1657 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:53.199 was just really interesting seeing the Simpsons living through the 1658 01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.960 era of the nineties mm because we had what like 1659 01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:58.880 glycerine was this track they used it or he had 1660 01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.400 his own version of Glysteren but it's just they watching 1661 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:03.599 Signe Fad on TV, and it was just weird seeing 1662 01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.360 the Simpsons living in the nineties but in it from 1663 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:07.760 a nostalgic aspect. 1664 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:09.599 Yeah, I don't know if you guys do a BoJack 1665 01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:10.920 Horseman podcast. 1666 01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.440 But we're thinking about it. We've been told we should 1667 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:16.400 because they do that great like throwback gag. 1668 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:18.039 If they do an eighties, they do a nineties, they 1669 01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:19.920 do it two thousands and each one, and they have 1670 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:22.280 like the little moments that they trade off from one another. 1671 01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:23.119 I think it's fun. 1672 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:25.599 Like, we've just launched a Bob's Burgers one, so maybe 1673 01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:28.239 BoJack can be next. Maybe for TV Launch pod, Yeah, 1674 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.599 we've got another podcast where we just review the pot. 1675 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.039 How many podcasts do you have? This is insane? Like 1676 01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.239 eight that's crazy stuff. 1677 01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:37.400 Yeah, a lot of It's now just we've got we 1678 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.320 review the first few seasons, throw them out there, and 1679 01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:40.239 then if you want to hear the rest of you 1680 01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:41.320 to subscribe on Patreon. 1681 01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:42.280 That makes sense. 1682 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.760 Yeah, summer on hiatus. Yeah, you know, we'll let the 1683 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:47.719 patrons well for this month. We're going to be reviewing 1684 01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:49.400 this show for the next three months or whatever. But 1685 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:51.920 what was like, what was I going to say? I 1686 01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:53.760 can't remember. We've got another show called TV Launch but 1687 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:56.800 where we just review the pilot episodes of shows. It's 1688 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.000 something different each week, and sometimes we don't know what 1689 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.159 the show's about, and it's like, we keep watching this show. 1690 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.239 If we watched this episode, was this a successful pilot? Yeah? 1691 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:07.480 Interesting? What are the best pilots? What have been the 1692 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:10.000 I think We're Wreaking Bad is one of my favorite parakings. 1693 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.519 Yeah, we're on the X Miles pilots. Yeah, and I 1694 01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:15.679 think we're pretty big on the Wire pilot, right, Yeah, 1695 01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.399 there was no sorry the Shield, the Shield pilot. 1696 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.199 Oh yeah, I tried to after I loved Breaking Bad, 1697 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:24.119 I watched it endlessly, Like I think I've watched the 1698 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:28.239 whole thing through at least five times. And the Shield 1699 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:31.079 and the Sopranos and the Wire the ones people always 1700 01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:33.000 bring up as the sort of like, you know, the 1701 01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:35.520 genesis of that ended up with Breaking Bad. So I 1702 01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:37.680 remember trying to watch The Shield for a while and 1703 01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:40.520 kind of lost interest, but but I vaguely enjoyed it. 1704 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:41.520 Have you seen The Wire? 1705 01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:44.880 I haven't, And I like I tried to say, I know, 1706 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:47.159 I really should, I should just I should just do 1707 01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:48.359 it now that HBO Max. 1708 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:52.039 Is the thing, yeah, and every season is different, but okay, 1709 01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:54.359 they did they add to the cast, but it's like this, 1710 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.199 that original cast still exists, but so it's main They've 1711 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.000 got the main cop cast, but then all the side 1712 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.119 characters they're off doing their thing, but they'll slowly sort 1713 01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:05.119 of come back and it just builds into this giant 1714 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:06.960 city of characters. Yeah. 1715 01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.800 Wow, Okay, And as a contrast, if we're spooking HBO 1716 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.520 Max friend of the pod. May I make my old 1717 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.239 man Generation X case for SOW called Moonlighting? Okay, from 1718 01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:22.840 the mid eighties, Bruce my man, Bruce Willis introducing Bruce 1719 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:23.520 Willis to the world. 1720 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:24.960 Bruce Willis on TV. 1721 01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:27.399 Oh my, have you never heard of this? He started 1722 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:28.000 on television. 1723 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:29.399 I had no idea. 1724 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.039 It is Bruce Willis with hair. 1725 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:35.840 Yeah, romantic comedy set in the Detective Agency, where yeah, 1726 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:39.680 Bruce Willison, Sybil Shepherd. Will they want or won't they? 1727 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:41.279 Frenemies slash lovers? 1728 01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.239 Man this size first time we're all there on that hairline, right, 1729 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:51.720 I mean, thank god, he looks fantastic bald, What a 1730 01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:54.039 what an absolute asset to have? 1731 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:56.119 You know, I can relate. 1732 01:09:58.199 --> 01:09:59.960 Honestly, Yeah, because this is a show that came out 1733 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.680 when I was a teenager, when I was about sixteen 1734 01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.920 or seventeen, and I remember thinking everyceeding hell, I wouldn't 1735 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:08.600 be so bad, lucky, It's not going to happen to me. 1736 01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:11.319 And then of course in you mid twenties, like, oh no, 1737 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:13.079 I'm going the way of all Willis. 1738 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:14.439 Yeah, but. 1739 01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.560 Look, don't go much further than maybe season two and 1740 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.399 a half. But it really sort of goes off the rails. 1741 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.319 But certainly the first two seasons are just fantastic. 1742 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.720 Yeah yeah, right. But but Homer says, Marge is now 1743 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:29.159 convincing that there's more terrible things than musical. Comedy is 1744 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:31.319 where everyone sings. And that's when a long running series 1745 01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:33.640 does a cheesy clip show. I guess they always pike 1746 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:35.239 fund of themselves and they do clip shows. This is 1747 01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:38.119 their way of saying sorry to the audience. I don't know. Yeah, 1748 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:39.640 a little bit of an escape patch of themselves. A 1749 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.000 bit of self awareness goes a long way, Yeah, Snake. 1750 01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:44.960 So it's funny, isn't it that I think like there 1751 01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:46.840 was a long period of time where just being self 1752 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:48.800 aware was more than enough for those things, and we 1753 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:50.159 were like, oh, well, at least they call it out, 1754 01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:51.960 whereas I think that has just been done to death now. 1755 01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:53.039 I was like, no, you still did it. 1756 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:53.640 You can't. 1757 01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:55.520 Oh yeah, you can't just bring it up and assume 1758 01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:57.960 that it's all okay. Now, Yes, I do not accept 1759 01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:02.199 your apology. Yeah, an apology. It was just like, well, 1760 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:05.279 at least we know. But Snake returns, they say they're 1761 01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:07.479 done now, so he leaves. He has no beef of them. 1762 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:09.600 Margined and asked who wants dinner. They all run off 1763 01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:11.359 and as she's closing the window, she's humming a tunes. 1764 01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:13.079 So Snake shoots the window out and that's the end 1765 01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.960 of the episode. Well almost, given that you have the credits. 1766 01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:19.920 What happens at the credits, Well, miss and Snake is 1767 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:21.960 not happy about this, Like, I can still hear this music, 1768 01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:24.880 maw Well, I think I've ever listened to the credits 1769 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.600 full episode, because I yes, I as it ended, I 1770 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.479 was like, is this where this happens? And yeah, he starts, 1771 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:33.119 he starts shooting at the credits at the great film. 1772 01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:35.600 Yeah, and they very sneakily try to put put the 1773 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.199 volume up during the k Yeah you. 1774 01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:41.960 Can still hear it, man, Yeah, you two greasy films. 1775 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:44.399 Al right in the way? 1776 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:46.479 Was was that a great snake or a terrible snake? 1777 01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.680 That was that was a mid tier snake? 1778 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:54.000 Okay, that's so funny because your reaction made it to 1779 01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.479 that makes it seem like you're expecting a compliment, because 1780 01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:59.640 I've got to say, by saying mid tier, that felt 1781 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:02.159 general to me. And you were still offended by that 1782 01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:04.680 stetory of my life. You were offended by the lack 1783 01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:07.000 of a compliment on that stake impression. 1784 01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:10.399 But yeah, so let's look, that's the end of I'm 1785 01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:12.079 All Seeing All Dancing episode that we you know, it 1786 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:13.439 was fine, it's a clip show. What are you going 1787 01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:15.039 to do about it? But let's talk about the specials 1788 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:16.479 that you've got available on YouTube. Do you have any 1789 01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:18.039 specials coming up that we should be looking out for. 1790 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:19.319 I have a new special come out. 1791 01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:19.680 When will this? 1792 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:20.920 When will this be put out? 1793 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:22.359 When would you like it to come out? 1794 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:25.039 Well, I have a special coming out on the eleventh 1795 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:26.199 of September, so this. 1796 01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:28.560 Would be out, So this would be out soon because 1797 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:30.319 I'm sure this comes out before that date. 1798 01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.880 Fantastic, So on YouTube on September eleventh, I have a 1799 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:36.479 special called Selfie's at the nine to eleven Museum, hence 1800 01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:38.960 the release date, so I would love for people to 1801 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:40.279 go and check that out. And then I have to 1802 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.279 have the full length specially Ignorant and Problematic, both of 1803 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:44.720 my YouTube and then the fog Kevin podcast in new 1804 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:46.760 episodes every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. 1805 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:48.720 Well, we'll talk about like your comedy, right, so you 1806 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:51.279 know you're releasing it on September eleven, What is like? 1807 01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:53.680 What does your mom say about this kind of edgy 1808 01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.119 tom is she like, is she just used to it 1809 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:56.600 by now? 1810 01:12:57.239 --> 01:12:59.199 My parents my parents love it. But my parents have 1811 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:01.600 similar senses if you here, like, I think they kind 1812 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:02.000 of get it. 1813 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:04.840 Said, they're like Simpson. So yeah, and my dad like 1814 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:07.159 my my My biggest. 1815 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.840 Memory of my dad laughing. You know that's because I've 1816 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:11.640 been bringing Family Guy up a lot, but you guys haven't. 1817 01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:13.760 So I imagined maybe it is you guys into that, and. 1818 01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:15.960 I just stopped watching it. Never went back to it. 1819 01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:16.920 Not really my bag. 1820 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.880 Yeah, okay, so early on, there's that you remember, there's 1821 01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:23.199 that hipp acac scene where they all they drink the 1822 01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:25.760 there's like a tincture that makes you vomit. It's for 1823 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:28.000 when people in Majestic poison whatever, and they do a 1824 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:30.600 competition where they all drink it and they have to 1825 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:32.560 see who can last longer without throwing up, and they 1826 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.960 just spend up throwing up all over each other for 1827 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:36.880 about two minutes. And I just have a memory of 1828 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:39.520 my dad just pissing himself at that, Like no matter 1829 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:41.239 how many times they've seen it, Like, my dad was 1830 01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:45.319 the Family Guy DVDs for Christmas every year, So yeah, yeah, 1831 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.000 So they're all well into this stuff and they like 1832 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:51.239 that stuff, and I think they're all fine with it. 1833 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:55.439 I also think you are more likely to enjoy what 1834 01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:57.560 I do if you've already brought into the idea that 1835 01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:59.760 I'm a good guy and I think my mum is 1836 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.720 all be there. I think it's more of like you 1837 01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:04.399 see it for the first time, and some people are like, 1838 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.920 is he is he serious? Does he really feel? Does 1839 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:09.720 he really think? All these things? So that's the kind 1840 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:12.039 of challenge of anyone who does the kind of comedy 1841 01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:13.359 that I do, is you really need people to buy 1842 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:14.680 in that this is a joke and it's all done 1843 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.119 in good faith and it's done for the right reasons, 1844 01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.159 because it's often not right. And I think it's kind 1845 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:22.039 of my responsibility as a comedian is to make people 1846 01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:23.920 feel that way and make them know how I actually 1847 01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:25.920 feel versus what I'm saying just the stir shit. 1848 01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:26.800 That's the thing. 1849 01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:28.640 I'm not about to name any names or anything like that, 1850 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:34.279 but there are certain YouTubers perhaps who will say quite 1851 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:37.159 inflammatory things under the guise of well, I'm just asking 1852 01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:40.079 questions and things like that. I get the feeling you're 1853 01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.560 trying to you know, do a bit of a juxtaposition here, 1854 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:44.800 but really, I think this is actually just what you think. 1855 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.760 Oh yeah, for sure. And yeah, I think there's versions 1856 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.720 of that as well, where it's like I'm just saying 1857 01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.439 I think some comedians have wanted to be taken seriously 1858 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:56.520 in certain formats and not seriously in other formats, and 1859 01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:58.399 I think that becomes a problem right where you're like, well, 1860 01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:00.239 over here is where I share my opinions, but over 1861 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:01.600 here is where I'm just being funny, And it's like, 1862 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:02.760 but they always kind of conflate. 1863 01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:05.119 Yeah, you've been Diagram's kind of a circle there, buddy, 1864 01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:05.920 after a while. 1865 01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:09.159 Yeah, So yeah, I think you just need to kind 1866 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:11.680 of hope people know you're coming from the right place 1867 01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:14.039 and that you don't actually think the horrible things you're thinking. 1868 01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:16.239 You're saying, you don't come across like you're just going 1869 01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:18.520 up on the stage and ranting. It's clearly that you're 1870 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:19.920 setting up punchlines here. 1871 01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:22.279 Yeah, I think so. I think that also helps, is 1872 01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:26.039 like my stuff is so clearly a joke, not in 1873 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:28.239 the intention, but in like the format. It is very 1874 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:30.479 much like set up punchline sort of stuff. So hopefully 1875 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:31.600 that makes it obvious. 1876 01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:34.359 This is I don't really I mean, we can probably 1877 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:35.560 edit this out. What do you think of a guy, NA, 1878 01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:37.920 are you aware of going named Anthony Jesslnik? 1879 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.359 Yeah, I love Jesslinic. Jesslnick was probably like one of 1880 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:41.439 my biggest influences. 1881 01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:43.640 I think, Yeah, that's the vibe that I'm getting when 1882 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:45.840 I was watching. When I was watching Problematic as well. 1883 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:47.880 I had to be very careful not to just be 1884 01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:51.159 jess Onnick because he's so specific. So and you think 1885 01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.720 about what he does, like he was an English major 1886 01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:02.520 at university, and he loved Brettie Snellis and American Psycho 1887 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:04.000 and all that sort of stuff, and you can see 1888 01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:05.560 like he kind of is he He talks about how 1889 01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:07.880 his comedy is kind of like a horror movie, and 1890 01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:10.079 I think I love that. I love comedians who don't 1891 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:11.840 exist in the same world as the rest of us, 1892 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.800 as in, like Jesslink's character couldn't fit in in the 1893 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.920 in the real world because he's like a serial killer, slash. 1894 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:19.359 You know, absolute sociopath. 1895 01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.680 Yeah, exactly, So I love that. I love j Just's 1896 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:23.399 He's fantastic. 1897 01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:26.720 It makes sense he's an English major. His book recommendations 1898 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:28.079 are fantastic. 1899 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:29.560 I've been doing that too recently. 1900 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:31.600 Yeah, guy, he just became best friends. 1901 01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:34.840 Well, maybe where can your snake impression? We'll get there. 1902 01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:37.720 Can you get a snake impression? 1903 01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:39.399 Absolutely not? But I know my I know my. 1904 01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:43.760 To quote Clarice, what a man's got to know his limitation, Yeah, 1905 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:44.640 I clearly do not. 1906 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.840 I did a I did a joke recently on stage 1907 01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:51.279 where I did a German accent and I came off 1908 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:52.640 stage it didn't and it didn't go great, And I 1909 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:53.960 came uf stage and I said to my friends, like, 1910 01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:55.520 I feel like every time I do an accent on stage, 1911 01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:57.279 everyone in the audience is going he doesn't want to 1912 01:16:57.279 --> 01:16:59.640 do that accent. He knows he doesn't feel comfortable doing 1913 01:16:59.640 --> 01:16:59.880 this out. 1914 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.039 How do you handle when a job not, when a 1915 01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:05.079 joke bombs, when it just doesn't give get the reaction 1916 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:06.920 you expected it or do you just go in not 1917 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.159 expecting your gags to get a great reaction and then 1918 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:11.760 that way it depends. 1919 01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:14.960 So if you've done the joke a lot and you 1920 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.960 know it's hit rate, like there are certain you have 1921 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:20.479 your set and you're like, okay, this is as close 1922 01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:21.399 to a sure thing as. 1923 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:23.319 I have who do you test on before you do that. 1924 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.079 Oh, there is a period of time. There is a 1925 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:27.560 time where you just have to tell an audience for 1926 01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.840 the first time and you just have to swallow the consequences. 1927 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.600 So if it's something that you trust and you've done 1928 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:35.680 it a lot of times, an audience doesn't laugh, you 1929 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:38.439 are learning something about the audience. And I probably then 1930 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:42.079 am less precious about their responses to anything, because I'm like, well, 1931 01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:43.800 you didn't laugh at the thing that always works, and 1932 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:45.880 therefore you're just gonna be a hard crowd. I'll try 1933 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:47.680 when you have a bit if I don't, like I 1934 01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:50.159 was playing a hard game to start with. But then 1935 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:51.600 there's the other thing, which is what you're talking about, 1936 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:53.720 which is like, I have this thing I think it's 1937 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:55.720 so funny, and then you say it to a crowd 1938 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:59.039 the first time and they disagree and you're just like, well, 1939 01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:00.720 I guess I was wrong, or you have to try 1940 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:03.119 it again or whatever. But there is it's frustrating when 1941 01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:05.479 you think you have a slam dunk and they're just 1942 01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:07.159 not interested at all. You have to kind of like 1943 01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.399 work out what it was. Was it like, did they 1944 01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:11.239 not understand what I was trying to say, did they 1945 01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:13.000 not know where to laugh? Did they think what I 1946 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:15.600 said was too offensive or whatever? You got to kind 1947 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.039 of reverse engineer where where the mark was missed? 1948 01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:21.039 Am I so out of touch? Or as the audience wrong? 1949 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:21.399 Yeah? 1950 01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:22.880 Yeah, you're children who are wrong. 1951 01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:26.000 Yeah, it's one thing I did like I'm im it 1952 01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:28.199 might have been a problematic. But where you display either 1953 01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:31.079 the confidence or the faux confidence to be like, I've 1954 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:33.279 got no idea why you didn't like that? That absolutely 1955 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:38.680 slays or does that? I think it's fantastic, clearly. Yeah again, 1956 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:39.920 clearland the children are wrong. 1957 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:42.600 There are times where you're just like, really, you didn't 1958 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:43.359 like that? That's weird. 1959 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.920 People seem to like that, and that can work as 1960 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:46.720 a joke in itself. 1961 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:48.600 Yeah, it's sometimes you just need to call it out. 1962 01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:50.479 And I think, you know, if you have the confidence 1963 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:52.960 to be like, no, I trust me. I think I know. 1964 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:55.479 I was gonna say, do you call that out when 1965 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:57.359 the audience doesn't respond or do you just move on? 1966 01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:01.920 Depends? I think sometimes if you call out how bad 1967 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:04.319 it's going, it can go either way, like, because sometimes 1968 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:06.880 it can just serve to remind people that it's going badly. Yeah, 1969 01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:08.800 and they're like, oh is it you be like, you 1970 01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:10.800 guys hate this and they go, oh do we Okay, 1971 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.119 I guess we'll keep hating it then, Whereas there are 1972 01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:14.600 other times where you can kind of play with it, 1973 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:16.800 especially if like you've been good, you know, you've made 1974 01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:18.560 them laugh before, and then you don't. You can kind 1975 01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:19.119 of play with that. 1976 01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:23.039 Your self deprecations. Yeah, like a bit of Russian roulette sometimes. 1977 01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:23.560 Yeah. 1978 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.640 Have the ever been like downfalls of being a stand 1979 01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:27.359 up comedian that you weren't prepared. 1980 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:31.039 For or expected in like life more broadly, or. 1981 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:33.720 In anything, whether it be performing on stage or just 1982 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:37.159 how your social circle handle treats you because now you're 1983 01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:40.239 a comedian? No, is it the life you expected? Yeah? 1984 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.079 I don't know, Like I think, do you feel. 1985 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:46.479 The need to have to be funny when you're around 1986 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:47.720 your non comedian friends? 1987 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:50.399 No? Not really. I think I do think being a 1988 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:53.399 comedian has made me funnier in general, just because you 1989 01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.239 kind of understand the structure of jokes a little bit 1990 01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:56.720 better and you can kind of talk in them a 1991 01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:59.479 little bit, sort of like you get better at an instrument, 1992 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.760 You can improve more freely, even though that's not what 1993 01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:03.640 you you don't go on stage and revise every night. 1994 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:05.920 But you kind of you know what notes to hit 1995 01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:07.640 or whatever, you know the structures do. 1996 01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:09.319 You find it? You just do that naturally. Now it's 1997 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:13.279 just you because you are more learned and you're more 1998 01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:15.479 experienced with being doing the stand up that you just 1999 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.640 everything you say comes out as a joke, even whether 2000 01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:18.079 you mean. 2001 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.039 It or not. Not always, but I think, you know, like, 2002 01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:21.880 if I'm going to say this to be the funniest 2003 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:23.680 way as possible, I need this word to be the end, 2004 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:25.560 and I need the rhythm to be there, and that 2005 01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:27.960 would and sometimes you it's it's embarrassing, but you walk 2006 01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:30.640 away from conversation where you've said something, you said a 2007 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:33.239 joke in passing, and I walk away and I'm like, oh, 2008 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:34.880 I should have said it this way. If I'd said, 2009 01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:36.479 if I said this at the end is stead of that, 2010 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.960 that would have landed a little bit better. But I 2011 01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.920 don't know. I think probably the most unexpected thing, and 2012 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:45.079 it's because it wasn't the case when I started. It's like, 2013 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:47.880 how online maybe, I mean, this is your career right, 2014 01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.960 how online you have to be and putting things out 2015 01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:56.119 and feeling the need to understand social content and trends 2016 01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:58.560 and podcasts and all of these things like that has 2017 01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:00.960 I wasn't really expecting that going in, and there's and 2018 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.399 there's there's positive negatives, right, Like you have a thing 2019 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:05.319 that goes online and goes really well. There's a huge 2020 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:07.319 dopamine hit to that, and that's very exciting. And people 2021 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:10.079 you get fans, which is kind of bizarre, which is, 2022 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:13.239 you know, I didn't really you kind of think you're 2023 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:15.000 gonna be huge whatever you don't think about. Just the 2024 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.239 reality is if there's a person out there who thinks 2025 01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:18.880 what I do is really great and looks forward to 2026 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.279 the thing I put out, and that's just a weird 2027 01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:22.720 relationship to have to someone that you don't think about 2028 01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:26.039 when you set out to do it. Yeah, oh it's 2029 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:27.880 gonna be great, you guys. I'm sure if you guys 2030 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.159 start like nine or ten more podcasts I reckon, you 2031 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:32.680 might find someone starting to really dig it. 2032 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:35.000 This show is brought to you by the four Fingered 2033 01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:38.000 Discount Patreon, where you'll find over one hundred hours of 2034 01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:42.600 bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as well 2035 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.800 as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, Tales 2036 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:50.119 of Futurama, Bob's pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Siefeld, 2037 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:52.880 the one about friends, and so much more. So go 2038 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:56.039 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com. 2039 01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:59.720 Slash four finger discount insane That then the jokes aside. 2040 01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:01.560 Sometimes we do get emails of people saying, you know, 2041 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:03.479 I was in hospital for six weeks and your podcast 2042 01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:05.399 got me through it. And sometimes you forget that you're 2043 01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:07.760 not just throwing this shit out into the wall and 2044 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.079 just seeing what happens, like you know, just going into 2045 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:11.279 the universe and nothing's happening. People are absorbing what you're 2046 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.079 throwing out there, and it does affect people for sure. 2047 01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:17.000 And I think unfortunately it's that kind of hedonic treadmill 2048 01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:21.960 thing of whatever you have. Wouldn't you know it's actually 2049 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.319 favorite simce it's quote I'd trade it all. I'd trade 2050 01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:29.600 it all in for a little more like it's it's 2051 01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:32.479 you know I have. You know, with our podcast, we've 2052 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:35.439 we've sort of you start to plateau as happens and 2053 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:38.800 you go, God, it's so annoying. I would I just 2054 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:40.359 wish we'd hit and there was a period of time 2055 01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:41.880 where the numbers we're getting now I would have killed 2056 01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:43.680 for and I think it's with all this stuff, like you, 2057 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:46.279 you always the grass is always green. It would always 2058 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:47.600 be better for just a little bit more than this 2059 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:48.600 would be great, though, wouldn't it. 2060 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:53.399 Yeah. I remember our very first podcast a different co host, 2061 01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:55.880 Ray maybe back in the beginning, and it was thirteen downloads, 2062 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:57.720 and you went, I'm not doing it anymore, Like mate, 2063 01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:00.439 just just keep doing it, Just keep doing it. And 2064 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:02.359 now it's like nearly ten million, you know, So it's 2065 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:03.800 just persist. 2066 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:06.439 Yeah, it is all of attrition, isn't it. 2067 01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:08.800 It is? Indeed, But before we go, let you leave, 2068 01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:10.399 We've got a question for you. We asked this for 2069 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:13.439 all of our guests. Now it's nineteen ninety eight. Channel 2070 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:15.039 ten have called you up. They said, Tom, we're gonna 2071 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:17.720 be putting together a Simpsons marathon on a on a 2072 01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:21.159 Friday night. Five episodes? What episodes are you given us? 2073 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:24.520 And yeah, okay, so I it's a hard one, right, 2074 01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:26.439 there's no perfect five. So I just kind of picked 2075 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:28.079 tried to pick some that I thought were kind of 2076 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.720 reflective of me. More generally, I love the Hank Scorpio 2077 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.000 episode You Only Move Twice. 2078 01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:37.279 I think I love all of that. I think again, 2079 01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:39.319 I think I've probably chosen as everything you said earlier 2080 01:23:39.319 --> 01:23:40.520 in the episode, he's kind of like, I don't know 2081 01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:43.319 if it counts genre bending, but the ones where they 2082 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:45.960 sort of feel like there are kind of a step 2083 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:47.760 removed from the everyday Springfield stuff. 2084 01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:50.159 The Symptoms are the only Springfield characters that appear and 2085 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:51.520 after the first couple of minutes. 2086 01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:54.640 So yeah, right, that makes sense. But yeah, it's I 2087 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:56.680 like that sort of the new world that they're in 2088 01:23:56.800 --> 01:23:59.319 in that new town. I love Hank Scorpio. I think 2089 01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:02.640 he's very funny. Well yeah, all the little like kind 2090 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:06.439 of bond asides throughout I think are very funny. 2091 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:08.720 Albert Brooks as as Hank, Is that right? 2092 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:09.000 Yeah? 2093 01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:12.239 Basically, let I say, here, just speaking to the microphone 2094 01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:13.319 for two hours and we'll work around it. 2095 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:17.119 Yeah, okay, cool. And then I had a fish called Selma. 2096 01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:22.520 I like, I say, I love Phil Hartman, and I 2097 01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:24.880 really like Troy McClure. 2098 01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:27.600 That Planet of the Apes play is unbelievable. 2099 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:29.640 That's what I was gonna say. Actually to the songs 2100 01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:32.399 that didn't end up like I do, I do really 2101 01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:36.680 like doctors as and Chimpannee to Chimpanzee, Like. 2102 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:37.279 That's so good. 2103 01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:37.920 A lot of fun. 2104 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.159 I'm so glad we got that from Phil before he 2105 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.920 left us. Mm yeah, yeah, I think taking from us. Yeah, 2106 01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:47.720 they were such those two characters. I'm right about that, right, 2107 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.680 I'm definitely Lionel Hudson Promic Clau. They're just like four 2108 01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:54.840 sort of what easily could have been kind of background characters. 2109 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:58.840 So so many great moments, so many great lions, which 2110 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:02.000 I'm a big fan of. I have much a power 2111 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.239 about nothing, which is probably again just back to that. 2112 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:06.960 It is at one line the someone my idea, how I, 2113 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:08.439 which I think is a great line, but it also 2114 01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:09.640 just has a bit of a meaning for me. 2115 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:13.359 That's the immigrants one, right, yeah, yeah, immigrants, Yeah, yeah, 2116 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.760 And I saw actually I saw that meme recently where 2117 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:17.439 they're asking, you know, what were the what was the 2118 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:23.239 cause of the Civil War? Just just say slavery, itchy 2119 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:26.720 and scratchy land. Again, I just I like I like 2120 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:29.000 that world. I like being on the chee scratch I 2121 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:32.600 like where nothing can ever possibly go wrong, and that's 2122 01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:33.079 the first. 2123 01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.199 Thing that ever went wrong. It's funny they actually mocked 2124 01:25:35.239 --> 01:25:37.520 John Tavolta in that right, he's the guy behind the bar. 2125 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.560 And that episode aired just before pulp fiction came out 2126 01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:41.680 and his whole career researching. 2127 01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:45.920 Oh yeah, right, yeah, that's funny, Okay. And then I 2128 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:47.479 had to pick a tree House of Horror. I love 2129 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:50.560 the treehous Horror series, and I was tossing up between 2130 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:54.239 five and six, and I think, like six really stinks 2131 01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:56.720 out in my mind, Like I just it just seems my. 2132 01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.079 Personal factic was the first one I ever remember watching 2133 01:25:59.119 --> 01:25:59.840 as a new episode. 2134 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.760 Yeah right, okay. I just the mascots coming to life 2135 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:07.479 and the night more on Elm Street kind of parody, 2136 01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:08.920 like they just they really live in the moment. But 2137 01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:11.880 I ultimately, I ultimately yeah, the three D and Homer 2138 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.319 showing up at the end in the real world was very, 2139 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.760 very bizarre. This is a cube slowed down akehead like 2140 01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:22.159 it's a square. But I ended up going with five 2141 01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:27.279 because I love the shinning. I think that was really great. 2142 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:30.760 I liked that repeat gag of Willie getting killed and 2143 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:35.600 every one it's fantastic. Yeah, But I genuinely generally love 2144 01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:37.439 the Treeouts of Horror series. I think I will I 2145 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:38.479 will always change into one of those. 2146 01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:41.039 It just feels like genuine horror. Number five, It's it's 2147 01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:42.640 the pinnacle, I think, and to the point where a 2148 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:44.279 lot of kids who grew up in the nineties called 2149 01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:45.520 the Shining the shinning. 2150 01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:47.439 Just by yeah, it's just the shin. 2151 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:49.760 It's actually called the shining, but no, it's the shinning. 2152 01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:52.199 Well is it? To your point? Like I think, especially 2153 01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:54.479 in the earlier ones, the sort of the way they 2154 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:58.079 walked the line between funny and scary was very impressive, 2155 01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:01.000 and I thought like that was some really scary moments 2156 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:02.359 of this. I think that night my Elm Street one 2157 01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:04.239 was pretty scary and then I was looking at like 2158 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:07.800 the raven always stuck in my head and as a kid, 2159 01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:08.840 it's like, what is this? 2160 01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:11.279 I didn't like it at all? What is going on here? 2161 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.119 I don't know if I enjoyed it? And I think 2162 01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:15.199 I probably, like in hindsight, and now I hear that 2163 01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.760 poem and like, there's a there's a bunch of clips online, 2164 01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:22.640 there's one of oh James L. Jones does it, and 2165 01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:25.039 it is it's it's fantastic. And the idea that the 2166 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.159 Simpsons introduced me to that poem, I think, and and 2167 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:29.119 a ground Poe generally I think is very cool. 2168 01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.720 It's a ballsy move too. By the sha because it 2169 01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:34.960 is the kids show still season two. When that episode airs, 2170 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.239 the kids are expecting kids stuff and that airs, and 2171 01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:39.520 it's not scary. It's just, I would say, dare say 2172 01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:40.560 boring for a little kid? 2173 01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:45.239 M Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, it's but yeah, I 2174 01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:47.520 don't know that I enjoyed it, but yet it like 2175 01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:49.199 occupies a big part of my mind. 2176 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:51.720 So you remember it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well that's so 2177 01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:53.319 let's wart up for me. And so Treots of Horror 2178 01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:56.560 five much poor about Nothing? You only moved twice, a 2179 01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:58.680 fish caught, Salma and itching and scratchy Land. 2180 01:27:58.840 --> 01:27:59.119 That's it. 2181 01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:00.600 It's a good one kicking off with. 2182 01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:03.640 Though, Oh, first one, I want to ease into it, 2183 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:07.520 don't maybe, ah, maybe much of about nothing because you 2184 01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:09.760 probably you're in Springfield, right. The rest of them all 2185 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:10.359 seem to take that. 2186 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:12.840 The most normal of the episodes. 2187 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.199 Yeah, yes, yeah, Tom, I'd like to think you've given 2188 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:17.680 us a marathon satisfier as opposed to a maximum. 2189 01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:21.039 Well, actually it'd be the other that I would like. 2190 01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:22.520 But well I'll take it. 2191 01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:26.119 All right, Well, won't forget you? Follow Tom on Instagram 2192 01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:29.039 It's at Tom Wickham Comedy. Your YouTube channel, what's your 2193 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:29.600 YouTube channel? 2194 01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:31.000 Oh, Tom. 2195 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.520 I believe it's Tom. Just go to YouTube in that 2196 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:35.800 search bar, top Tom w Wickim comedy or Tom Wickham 2197 01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:36.680 and it'll all come up. 2198 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:37.359 I'll be there. 2199 01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:39.920 Subscribe to all this stuff and listen to Folkevin wherever 2200 01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:40.920 you find your podcast. 2201 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:42.079 Awesome. Thank you so much