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So the 24 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,400 interesting thing about this episode is this episode is a 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,439 year late. We had this episode planned for July thirteenth 26 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:10,039 of last year, and then something really weird happened in Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania, 27 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,199 and we ended up talking about that, and well, what 28 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,639 better time than on the year anniversary to revisit the 29 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:27,240 subject of the infrastructure of the NSDAP and Germany of 30 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,159 nineteen thirty of the nineteen thirties, and yeah, especially as 31 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:35,719 our infrastructure is crumbling around us. So, Thomas, how are 32 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:36,280 you doing today? 33 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing pretty well, man. Thanks for including me cool. 34 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,719 Speaker 1: D how are you? 35 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: I'm great, man. It's always a pleasure to beyond with you, 36 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,120 and always a pleasure to beyond with Thomas. I've learned 37 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,039 some guys man college classes, every single one of your 38 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:55,639 guys the series or a series of college lectures. It 39 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,680 really is fantastic. 40 00:02:57,199 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: And that's a great problem. And thank you D. 41 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: This is this is your subject, man, this is your idea. 42 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:05,759 I'm just getting interject to ask questions. Why don't you 43 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,919 take off and go where you want to? 44 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: Go? 45 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,319 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'll try to try to keep the 46 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:15,639 autism to a minimum. Here, but just as a brief aside, 47 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,199 I'll give you a brief sketch. The road network in 48 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,120 Europe wasn't as good as it was in the time 49 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:33,520 of the Five Good Emperors again until like the late 50 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:42,960 nineteenth century and McAdam invented his mcadamization asphalt paving process, 51 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,960 and I want to say, like eighteen thirty. So imagine 52 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,759 like a road network where nothing is paved or hardly 53 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:52,800 anything is paved, and only like cities might have cobblestones, 54 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:58,639 and maybe maybe maybe like major highways between say like 55 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:08,680 Rome and Austin might be paved, but that's not normal now. 56 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,599 I mean, like you can get like lightly laden in 57 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:15,599 carts and stuff, you know, to and from places, but 58 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:18,240 really like in order to keep the road from turning 59 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,720 into like a mud bog, you got to pave it 60 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:27,800 to keep the water off. And the most efficient way 61 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,120 to transport to anything is of course via water, which 62 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,199 is why Germany is richer than Italy, because Italy has 63 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,879 one real river valley, the po in the north and 64 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,800 it and it outflows into Venice, which is you know, 65 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:45,720 a decent port. Only because of the heroic efforts of 66 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,519 the Venetians themselves right, it's normally very swampy and not 67 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,160 a difficult or a very difficult place to make it 68 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,680 a living. Only the heroic efforts of the Venetians have 69 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:01,959 made it someplace prosperous and liveable. And you know, France 70 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,399 has got six huge river valleys. Basically, nowhere in the 71 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:11,560 UK or nowhere in England itself is more than twenty 72 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:16,480 five miles from water from from like a port that'll 73 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:19,000 get to get to water. So that's why those two 74 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,759 countries were in Germany were the most prosperous countries in Europe. 75 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,519 You know Sprain Spain only has the Ebro so in 76 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,120 a world where like heavy transport has to be done 77 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,319 via water basically because the roads aren't up to it, 78 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:35,399 like how do you develop internally? 79 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:35,639 Speaker 3: Right? 80 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: In Germany had only been united since what eighteen seventy one? 81 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: Was that I want to say seventy nine? 82 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,519 Speaker 2: Right, okay, eighteen seventy nine, so like like four years 83 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,000 after uncle is born, is you know, like you know 84 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,439 is or four years before? Right? 85 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: Like this is not nine? 86 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: All right, I'm sorry, I was thinking Mussel, right, So yeah, 87 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,720 so you know Musli he's born in eighteen eighty three, right, 88 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,439 he's only thirteen years before is when Italy was was 89 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:16,079 was again a whole political entity, and you know Hitler 90 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,319 was only like ten years before Hitler was born, was 91 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:23,639 when Germany became a whole nation again. So you have 92 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,879 these what had been you know, do you how do 93 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:31,639 you integrate like the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies road 94 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,279 network into the Papal States road network, into the city 95 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,560 states and the North road network. You know, do you 96 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,839 have the same standards in Bavaria and Pomerania. How does 97 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:49,120 that work? So you've got this huge coordination problem that 98 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:55,199 takes forever to figure out, and at least in the 99 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Holy Roman Empire, a big part of what made like 100 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:03,959 little bit garranties economically viable was their traditional right to tax. 101 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,680 So you'd have these locks all along this river network 102 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,560 in Germany where you know, this baron of this one 103 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,120 little spot would charge a toll. There's this massive increase 104 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,439 in internal costs, you know, just shipping something down the rhine, 105 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,240 there'd be a stop here, and a stop here and 106 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:25,199 a stop here. So improving the transportation network and essentially 107 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:27,800 internal free trade, right like what list says, right, internally 108 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:32,519 free trade and development allows you to greatly decrease your 109 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:38,519 transportation costs your friction right and allows you to ship 110 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:44,800 things over land between rail which is ten times more 111 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:50,439 efficient than roads. That's why the nineteenth century was the 112 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:55,839 century of just railroad mania, right the United States, Germany, France, 113 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,480 the UK, all over the place. Rail was the name 114 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:05,040 of the game. But that rail network that built out 115 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,600 of the rail network allowed you to build out the 116 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:13,319 road network because your transportation costs for things like I 117 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:19,000 don't know, gravel all of a sudden dropped by fifty 118 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:22,319 sixty seventy eight when you can throw it on a train. 119 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: And just just as the quick aside. You know. One 120 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,720 of the things that the British wanted to do when 121 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,080 they when they for oprat about purposes, won the Scramble 122 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:38,080 for Africa, they wanted to build a railroad that started 123 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,840 in North Africa and ended if the cap so basically 124 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,519 like they wanted to have like a trans Siberian railroad 125 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:50,919 that like spanned Africa, which is totally insane, but it 126 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,639 would have been it probably would have been viable, man, 127 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,120 if they could have held it, you know, and if 128 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:02,240 they hadn't detonated their own forcunes. Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. 129 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:04,919 Speaker 2: Well, and that's actually part of the you bring it up. 130 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:08,080 But like there was a conflict with the Portuguese because 131 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,440 the Portuguese had Angola and Mozambique, right, and they wanted it. 132 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:19,759 They wanted a trans African railway to control their they're 133 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,360 holdings on the east and west coast and the British 134 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,360 one of theirs going north south, and they almost got it. 135 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,200 I mean, I can't remember they actually finished the African 136 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:29,639 Railroad or not, but. 137 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was Cecil Roads big. That was 138 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,159 his big ambition, you know. And in some ways Roads 139 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:39,840 Roads kind of reminds me of Blackjack Pershing in some ways. 140 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:44,919 I mean, I I think, I mean, obviously Roads was 141 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,159 more Roads is of a certain type. It was one 142 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:50,919 of these He was one of these kinds of imperialist 143 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,480 characters that came up through the Crown Charter system of 144 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,519 wealth management and adventurism. I mean, person was very much 145 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,000 you know, like kind of a a logistics and engineering 146 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,000 genius and a very effective combat commander. But yeah, these 147 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:13,120 guys are really extraordinary in terms of their in terms 148 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,879 of their intellect. 149 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: Well, and that that leads us to if he hadn't 150 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,600 ha died in an untimely fashion. I don't know what 151 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:30,679 your personal opinion of Fritz Tot is, Thomas, but I 152 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:37,360 am a massive admirer of Tote personally, doctor, and he. 153 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: And Helmar Shocked. Helmar Shocked is a reason why the 154 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:51,320 UK delegation to the Internetal Military Trebunal basically intervened and said, 155 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,519 you know, you're you're gonna cut this man loose because 156 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,559 we need him. You know, Tote was much more a 157 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:03,320 patriot than Shocked was. But Toad and Helmer Shocked were 158 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:08,919 responsible for the uh the economy of the German Reich 159 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:13,000 becoming what it was, and in terms of such that 160 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,720 such that centrally planned efforts. I mean all banking systems 161 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,120 are gonna be somewhat centralized, Okay, I mean like that. 162 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,679 That's not an ethical question, it's it's just reality. But yeah, 163 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,080 I think they're they're they're both personages who are essential 164 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,960 understanding the uh the economics of the German Reich. And 165 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:40,159 they were both you know, towering intellects and in different 166 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,039 aspects of macroeconomic praxie. Definitely. 167 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,639 Speaker 2: So for those of you who don't know, doctor Fritz 168 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:50,039 Toot was the head of organization Tot, which was the 169 00:11:51,039 --> 00:11:54,000 police Thomas correct my pronunciation because I'm terrible at this 170 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,759 sort of thing. And he was succeeded by Albert Speer, 171 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,399 who is the guy who uh uh designed the Volkshall 172 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:06,600 but ultimately turned trader and after the war and and 173 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:15,399 a low opinion of that anyway, doctor Tote goes to uh, 174 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:17,960 you know, technically University of Munich and gets gets a 175 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:26,559 pH d in uh civil engineering on on effectively paving roads. 176 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:30,960 And he is the one who's responsible for the audubon 177 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:35,080 for the Atlantic Wall from for for honestly most of 178 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:45,399 you know, the Third Reich's construction projects. He was the 179 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,480 inspector Jennifer Water and Energy, the rights Minister for armaments munitions. 180 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,519 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that was the key, That's what I mean. 181 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,759 The key really played was as as armaments minister, you know, 182 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:59,840 in terms of the war effort and and some of 183 00:12:59,879 --> 00:13:06,320 the projects that were essential to national defense. To be 184 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,240 clear about the autobon too, this kind of mass highway system. 185 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,519 I raised Pershing because you know, Pershing was Eisenhower was 186 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,159 a disciple of Pershing, and that's basically where he inherited 187 00:13:19,159 --> 00:13:22,679 the idea for what became the interstate system and like 188 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,360 a mass highway system, among other things, on a continent 189 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,440 sized scale, you needed to be able to deploy forces 190 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,039 and being an event of general war, and that was 191 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,120 one of the reasons for the you know, the Eisenhower 192 00:13:38,159 --> 00:13:41,440 Expressway system. You know, it's that you can deploy east 193 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:49,159 and west rapidly. And the autobon obviously when a Rich's 194 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,799 commissari at Moscow then was realized, you know it, had 195 00:13:53,799 --> 00:13:57,399 the Soviet Union been defeated and assimilated into the Greater 196 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,399 German Reich, you know, the the autobond was going to 197 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,279 go from Spain to the earls, you. 198 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: Know, probably even by call really, I mean, why not? 199 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:16,320 Why not Ostok? Now, I think it's it's important to 200 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:24,720 realize that, like the the US interstate system is directly 201 00:14:25,799 --> 00:14:28,039 Eisenhower got to Europe, got to Germany and was like, wow, 202 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:32,080 these roads are fantastic and basically just stole the plans. 203 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:41,559 And the early the early days of World War One, 204 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:44,799 with all the mobilizations and all the difficulties and the 205 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,919 logistical problems right of feeding people were so ingrained in 206 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,519 the German people that they just didn't want that sort 207 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:54,120 of thing to happen. 208 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:54,399 Speaker 3: Again. 209 00:14:54,519 --> 00:15:01,159 Speaker 2: And by building this network of really good highways, you 210 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,559 could distribute the food. You know, if one sections bombed out, 211 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,360 you could rebuild that and have and wroute the food around. 212 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:11,840 So the problem with the rail is it's way more 213 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,120 efficient in terms of how much energies needed to move 214 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,399 you know, a ton of stuff from point A to 215 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:24,639 point B. But you messed that one switching yard or 216 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,639 that one track up, and you know the line is cut. 217 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:29,519 Where's a road. 218 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, compatibility too of the rail gauge and stuff causes issues. 219 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,200 I just wanted to see you real quick too. I've 220 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,000 got almost nothing nice to say about Spear, but some 221 00:15:44,159 --> 00:15:48,240 of his design concepts I think we're pretty brilliant. And 222 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:53,399 one of the things he insisted upon, and that the 223 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,679 Fear very much approved of locally. Spears said that, you know, 224 00:15:59,399 --> 00:16:03,279 we need tos materials locally as much as possible in 225 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,000 building the autobon. You know, so we need to incorporate 226 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,279 natural features into things like bridges. So you know, like 227 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,039 in a section of the Autobond that you know, like 228 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,799 stretches through the Ryan Land or whatever is, you know, 229 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:20,080 gonna gonna reflect the natural environment there and like a 230 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:24,960 local ecology you know, like ditto for you know, East 231 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:28,879 Prussia and what have you, and a lot of these 232 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:34,200 this had really great optics, you know, and that that 233 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:42,080 can't really as an imperative priority to the German Reich 234 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,840 g at, you know, the highest levels that can't be 235 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:48,120 over sedated. I mean, Hitler was an artist. That's one 236 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:50,559 of the things he had in common was Spear. I mean, 237 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:56,240 you know, Hitler's primary interest was architecture and things, you know, 238 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:58,679 in Spear obviously was kind of a pure architect. I 239 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,120 mean he had he had keep I mean, I stipulated, 240 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,000 he had capabilities you know that were remarkable. 241 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,079 Speaker 2: As an architect, he was a genius. 242 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:08,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 243 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: As a political soldier, he left a fair bit wanting. 244 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: Even it's a cynic and I think he spears the 245 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,839 kind of guy who you know, he he finds a 246 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:23,440 way to win, to sinuate himself around powerful men and 247 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,480 impressed them, and he doesn't care about the politics and 248 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,400 he will do it about face as soon as it 249 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,880 becomes expedient to do so, you know. 250 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: Which which he did. Yeah, so, doctor Tutt, right, he 251 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:43,440 dies in a plane crash. He himself won the Iron 252 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,000 Cross under the German Empire in the First World War. 253 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: So, but. 254 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,799 Speaker 2: The internal road network of Germany, I mean they're still 255 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,440 using the same autuba on that Fritz Todt built in 256 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:08,359 like nineteen thirty eight, right, And not only was it 257 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,680 a massive internal improvement project, but it's one of the 258 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:19,759 ways that you know that the Reike was able to 259 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:23,400 to kill unemployment in the Reike was just they didn't 260 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,119 have trucks, you know. I mean the SS was invading Germany, 261 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,559 or not invading Germany, invading invading Russia with mules and 262 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:36,720 stuff because they didn't have enough trucks, well, because they 263 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,119 didn't have the earth moving equipment. Because they didn't have 264 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:46,400 enough trucks. A lot of this construction got done by hand, right, 265 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:50,079 and you had large gangs of laborers that were relatively 266 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,799 low skilled, but they get told like dig this out 267 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,039 till it. You know this this slope matches here, and 268 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:02,759 you could you can have lots of guys using picks 269 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,880 and shovels and stuff, and you can build this road 270 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,680 network internally. That enabled you know, the Germans to shift 271 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:19,160 entire divisions from east to west relatively quickly and in 272 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:23,160 terms of you know, building the German economy, right, if 273 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:29,039 you're if you're shipping costs go down by I saw 274 00:19:29,079 --> 00:19:33,759 something by the time they were done taking something from 275 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:38,599 the port at Hamburg to Munich, the cost to drop 276 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,000 by like something like twenty five percent. I want to say, 277 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:47,039 but that that could just be So that's tickling in 278 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:48,920 the back of my brain. But if you're if your 279 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,240 costs going from Hamburg to Munic go that far down, right, 280 00:19:54,559 --> 00:20:01,440 that's that's obviously a massive Just go to the internal economy, right, 281 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,599 there's gonna be more jobs once you're if you're no 282 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,480 longer working on like the Tuck Gang, right, or you 283 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:12,359 maybe you take those construction skills you learned building they 284 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:17,680 the uh building the roads to other projects, which is 285 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,839 what how they ended up with the Atlantic Wall and 286 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,519 you know like the Channel Islands forts and all of 287 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:27,720 these other Internet line yeah, the six Freed line right. 288 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: Like much later. 289 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but right, you have all these experienced personnel, and 290 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,920 you know, before they call we were talking right, the 291 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,519 notion that like, oh you know it's socialism. They're they're 292 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,920 using the government to build all these projects. Does anybody 293 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,279 really think that like a Bechtel or a Conico Phillips 294 00:20:53,400 --> 00:21:00,799 or a GM or really a private company. 295 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 3: The whole point. I mean, the reason why, the reason 296 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:08,359 why the one thing that the Warsaw Pact excel at 297 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,119 was in military hardware, you know, and things like space 298 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,640 faring vehicles, is because obviously, like the spontaneous ordering of 299 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,839 the price mechanism isn't essential to like building a good tank, 300 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,039 and you don't require I mean, I don't even know 301 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:28,240 what those inputs would be. Like we're gonna, you know, 302 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:32,119 we're gonna, we're gonna, but we're gonna accept bids on 303 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:34,559 who can like build the best auto bond, and then 304 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,119 we're gonna take a hands off approach however they want 305 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,400 to devise it. I mean, like, I yeah, that doesn't 306 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:47,799 make any sense. And all capitalism and the industrial era 307 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,640 is state capitalism. So yeah, it's neither here nor there 308 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,160 to suggest that there's this like public private distinction. We're 309 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,960 talking about fixed capital definitely. 310 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:05,759 Speaker 2: I think that as you built, you can completely crazy. 311 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,799 There is no such thing as like particularly things like 312 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,079 roads or canals or anything like that. Right, Like the 313 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,519 notion that like, oh, this is a private enterprise. 314 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: Like no, it's not. It's not. 315 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:19,799 Speaker 2: It's one of those things that the libertarians get completely 316 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,640 completely wrong. The free market is going to build. You know, 317 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,519 this this highway system something you talked about earlier, Thomas, 318 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:29,519 is the aesthetics. 319 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: Right. 320 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: I have a quote from from Hitler somewhere from I 321 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,039 think it's from the book Hitler's Engineers, but he said, 322 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:44,559 you know, our roads have to be beautiful and as 323 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,720 they reflect us as a people. And I'm paraphrasing here, 324 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:59,000 the the Autobahn as envisioned by Hitler and Tote reflects 325 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,359 that German are justic soul that's very ordered, but also 326 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:08,240 has this kind of longing for beautiful things and harmony. 327 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but. 328 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: The interstate highway system in America, particularly as you get 329 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,519 west of the Mississippi, is the most brutal, utilitarian, like 330 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:25,240 just like massive project you've ever seen in your life, right, and. 331 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're out ninety four through town is not beautiful. 332 00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:33,559 Speaker 2: Right well, And the reason it's not right is because 333 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,200 the Reich was using mostly hand labor, and what what 334 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,799 lenturists explosives they did have had to be saved either 335 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:46,920 for wartime or for something where like you're blowing a 336 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,000 hole a tunnel or something, right, or clearing canal. So 337 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:53,799 they just didn't have the you know, the massive amount 338 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:57,599 of explosive and the personnel to use it just willing 339 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,039 nearly the. 340 00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 3: Way they're really fit. Answer to me, there's this book 341 00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:04,720 called Hitler in the Power of Aesthetics by this guy 342 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:13,359 named Frederick Spots and Spear designed and built a lot 343 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,039 of these projects with an eye for what was called 344 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:21,759 ruined value, you know. And that's that's why the Germans 345 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:26,480 had certain ideas about you know, discrete building materials like 346 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:31,480 feral concrete, because the ethos was, we've got to think 347 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:34,759 about three thousand years from now, you know, we we've 348 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:38,640 got we've got to have our great works leave ruins, 349 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:42,200 you know, like that of the val like the Kings 350 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,279 in Cairo, or like the Parthenon, or like the Colosseum. 351 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,240 You know. Uh, this is a deliberately historical enterprise that 352 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,279 spans millennia, you know, and that's that underlies, you know, 353 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,079 very much like the ethos of the Reich and I 354 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,799 in that verycompellent. 355 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And just to give you an idea 356 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,000 of why that's actually better to elaborate here for a second. So, 357 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:15,480 the United States after nineteen forty seven, right has effectively 358 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,359 what is unlimited manpower, unlimited expertise, unlimited resources, and so 359 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,880 they build out the federal highway system and they just 360 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,359 make it straight because that's the most efficient. And if 361 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,000 there's a little hill in the way, they'll just throw 362 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,480 a bunch of dynamite. They've got a bunch of guys 363 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,039 who did demo in the war. They can absolutely, you know, 364 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,519 just just blast. So you'll have, you know, sections of 365 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,559 road in the United States that are five, ten, fifteen, 366 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:53,119 twenty miles long, just in a straight line. And as 367 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,160 you're driving across like North Dakota, do your listener, no 368 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,559 offense intended to any of our listeners in North Dakota. 369 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,160 It gets really hard to pay attention when you're like 370 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:09,000 just going twenty miles straight, right, even even at. 371 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,519 Speaker 3: Emails tailored for a highway hypnosis exactly right. 372 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,519 Speaker 2: So, because the Germans didn't have all that access to 373 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,000 easy blasting paths, they had to, you know, roads have 374 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:27,079 to follow the path that is most flat, relatively speaking. 375 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,519 And so if you've got to go like and make 376 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,759 a slight curve to the left, or you know, gently 377 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,799 kind of rise and follow the terrain a little bit more, 378 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:42,319 that's actually makes a better drive. You don't you don't 379 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,359 do things like fall asleep the way you can, Like 380 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,359 you know, if you're driving from I ninety, from like 381 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:54,079 Chytown to you know Seattle, Right, there's places where you're 382 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,000 just gonna fall asleep because there's nothing. 383 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 3: For We realize too, Like if you like automobile, and 384 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,480 you know, I always I mean I don't drive these days, 385 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,559 but you know I was really like I always really 386 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:07,839 like driving in cars and stuff when I was young, 387 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,680 you know, like driving them and working on them and 388 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,880 the you know, the all these Carol Shelby designs, you 389 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,680 know that were Grand Touring designated vehicles, you know, like 390 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,440 a touring vehicle. I realized, like Ford and all kinds 391 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,680 of other American companies took on that designation. But doesn't 392 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,400 make any sense in America. Maybe it doesn't like Redwood 393 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,359 Country somewhat, but you know, driving driving a Porsche like 394 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,799 around these like winding roads through Bavaria, like through the elks, 395 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:36,720 you know, it's a totally different experience. 396 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,599 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And like like the only places in America 397 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,359 where like a GT type car makes sense is like 398 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,480 on the Pacific Coast Highway or something like that. 399 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah, and I've driven them, not just 400 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,720 one O one. But I've driven these mountain roads through 401 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,400 like Oregon, you know, which are like incredible. So then 402 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,440 to me wrong like America, that being at the wheel 403 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,920 of a you know, like a like a comfortable uh 404 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:08,799 like big block you know, Cadillac or something. It's dope, 405 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,240 but uh it but it's not at all the same 406 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,920 thing as you know, the the European experience. And even 407 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,480 there's ah this footage like over Salzburg, you know, eagles 408 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,599 nests and stuff. You know, like that's a perfect example, 409 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,640 and there's a there's footage of uh what amounts to 410 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,759 you know, they kind of work what became kind of 411 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:39,039 the war console vud Browsitch was had been sacked. But 412 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,079 this just had to be like at the latest like 413 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880 great early ninety forty two, you know, like convening it 414 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160 over Salzburg and you see like these uh you know, 415 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,720 you see there's there's like stately vehicles like pulling off 416 00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,960 and it just looks like an incredible drive, like looks 417 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,680 like something from another planet or something. 418 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, could you can you even imagine like in 419 00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:01,039 a like the Mercedes s K and and uh you're 420 00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:04,519 driving from Frankfort am Main up to Vienna and like 421 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:06,319 one of those bad boys. You know, they're just the 422 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,319 just the aesthetic experience. But because because they didn't have 423 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,839 that ability to just blast straight through right, the road 424 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,359 actually doesn't do the role road his notices thing where 425 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,480 you're gonna fall asleep because there's just nothing to do 426 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,039 and nothing to I've driven through like South Dakota, and 427 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,440 you know, like you gotta have you gotta have somebody 428 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,200 like sitting with you to like punch you in the 429 00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,279 arm so that you don't end up driving off the road. 430 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:32,839 Speaker 3: You know, No, it's crazy, you know, I take the 431 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:36,160 Greyhound so much. I see a lot of like American highways, 432 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,680 you know, and uh yeah, they're very flat. It's crazy 433 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,759 too when you get out west, like the hills, the 434 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,400 foothills and some of the smaller mountains, they just like 435 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,720 blast these huge tunnels through them. And when as a 436 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680 little kid, that really like blowing me out because they 437 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,319 don't have that here in Chicago. But I'd be out 438 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,640 in California and it's like, yeah, you're just like driving 439 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,319 through this like mountain tunnel for like freaking you know, 440 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,200 like forty five. 441 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know, driving through this tunnel in the Rockies, 442 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,119 right that that is two miles long, you know, but 443 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:17,880 but that's that's something that is I think bye. By 444 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,680 caring about the aesthetics, by making sure that everyone had 445 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,960 to have something beautiful to be able to look at 446 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:31,160 something that they could be proud of, it really uh 447 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,720 you know, you can. 448 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:34,799 Speaker 3: Not only. 449 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: Not only people more likely to maintain it, but it 450 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,039 ultimately ends up being easier to maintain because you're not 451 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,720 fighting nature all the time. You know, you can drive 452 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:49,400 nature out with the pitchfork, because the saying goes, but 453 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,319 it always comes back. So how do you if the 454 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,160 if the road itself like is part of the nature, 455 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,960 it's not as difficult to uh constantly be fighting nature 456 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,920 to get the road accomplished. 457 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,799 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean. 458 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:21,519 Speaker 2: I'm expressing myself poorly because I'm retarded. But and and 459 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:25,839 by making that something that is the most important thing 460 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,440 as you're doing it, do those beautiful roads not only 461 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,920 become more likely to be maintained and more likely to 462 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:43,880 function longer, they they also become an advertisement. And this 463 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,079 is this is this is why I mean, ultimately, this 464 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,839 is this is why the right hot to be destroyed. Right, 465 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:58,359 is that just allowing them to be free was was 466 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,799 an advertisement against the capitalist system. 467 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, totally. It was a totally different ethos on potentialities, 468 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:10,359 and it transcended conventional politics, you know, I mean and 469 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,400 like like in some ways, like the Schnalinists did too. 470 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920 And I mean, I think Soviet cosmism is sort of 471 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:24,559 a callback to that sort of transcendental mysticism of of 472 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,319 Byzantium stuff. But no, I mean, but that that was 473 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,480 somewhat incidental obviously, and it was a result of a 474 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,799 dialectical process that very much sort of deviated from the 475 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,880 core ethos of marcis Leninism. But no, the something that 476 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:48,440 the fascists, the National Socialist access Europe was disposed towards 477 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,279 as an essential aspect of the politics of the era 478 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,559 and specifically the revolutionary mandate that they were abiding, was 479 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:03,720 you know, something that was epochal in nature and purely 480 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:10,200 historical almost and was uh you know, partook of the 481 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:15,640 highest possible forms of human action and cultural productivity. 482 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:22,599 Speaker 2: Absolutely well that I think that something else that needs 483 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,720 to be I think I've talked about this, like the 484 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:37,079 entire world changed, like in you know, in the realm 485 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,319 of like commtists, right like after the period of five 486 00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:45,279 good emperors, you know, Marcus Aurelius. Even then most of 487 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:50,160 the population was still agricultural peasants. And you could take 488 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:54,519 an agricultural peasant from the time of Marcus Aurelius, and 489 00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,319 there's been a very very good alternative history time you know, 490 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,720 time treble type stuff, like you could take someone like 491 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,680 that and take them to the world of say, I 492 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,119 don't know what point the break would be, like the 493 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,280 eighteen sixties, and aside from like firearms, like most of 494 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960 everything is like readily apparent, and still even into the 495 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,800 eighteen sixties of the war between the States, most of 496 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,800 the people in the world are agricultural peasants. But you know, 497 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,559 in the Psalm in nineteen fifteen and the you know 498 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,360 Waterloo in eighteen fifteen, like the world changed so completely 499 00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,800 in that one hundred years that nothing was the same afterwards. 500 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,400 And the national Socialists, the fascist whatever like that, that organization, 501 00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:48,559 those that aesthetic idea like those were the of the 502 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:52,440 three choices or three ways to confront that massive change. 503 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:58,639 Where there was Bolsheviks, there is Judaeo Masonic capitalism, and 504 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,400 then there was this this nash you know, organic aesthetic 505 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,679 romantic nationalism. I don't know how else to describe it. 506 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:11,000 But of all those three, no one is going to 507 00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:14,360 care about, Like if you know, the United States gorivement 508 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:22,760 falls apart, no one's gonna care about like I ninety. 509 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 3: Or like or yeah exactly, or like some random federal building, 510 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,360 you know, downtown. The a film that I like, you know, 511 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:34,039 this seems crazy now, but HBO actually used to make 512 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,880 really good original movies, Like they made this film about 513 00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:44,920 Andre Chickatola, the Soviet serial killer, called Citizen X with 514 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:50,639 don On Sutherland. This, yeah, they made this, did this 515 00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:55,840 biopic of Stalin and Robert Duvall. They did a film 516 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:02,840 version of Fatherland, the alternative history counterfectual, where the German 517 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:10,679 Reich is victorious in World War Two, and you know, 518 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,960 there's in the film it's the German Reichs preparing for 519 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:18,719 Hitler's seventy fifth birthday celebrations. Joe Kennedy is the president. 520 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,480 Joe Kennedy's trying to end the Cold War that exists 521 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,719 between America and the Reich. But it opens in the 522 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,559 year ninety sixty four and this American delegation is touring Berlin, 523 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:34,199 which is now you know, the European like the capital 524 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,679 of nation Europa called Germania. And it's a combination of 525 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,039 early CGI and Matt paintings, but it looks really cool. 526 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,719 And the centerpiece is the Folkshall, which would have held 527 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,800 one hundred and eighty thousand people. Hitler would have been 528 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,840 able to access it from what would have been the 529 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:06,320 Fure's Palace by way of an underground access road and 530 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,480 he would emerge by elevator behind the podium. And the 531 00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:16,119 Folkshall would have been so massive that it would have 532 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,000 had its own weather inside. The clouds would have formed, 533 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,760 and its speculated that it would have occasionally rained within 534 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,800 the dome. Uh like stuff like that is uh Yeah. 535 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,559 Speaker 2: The best thing Amazon has ever done is they did 536 00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,559 the Philip K. Dick Man in a high Castle. 537 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, the show is silly. Even the optics are brilliant. 538 00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:42,639 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Like. 539 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,199 Speaker 3: I've appropriated the flag that they utilize for some of 540 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,199 my own purposes because it's that good. 541 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:51,079 Speaker 2: Oh, the aesthetics were on point. But to give you 542 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,159 just a here's here's a quote from that the book 543 00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:56,679 I mentioned Hitler's Hitler's engineers Fritz Todd and Albert Spear, 544 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,760 master builders of the Third Reich. Uh Todt started developing 545 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,039 detailed plans in July nineteen thirty three, keeping Kitler clostly 546 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,840 apprested the developments and then inner quote although the entire 547 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,519 road plan was Hitler's and although he took the first 548 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,280 step in the organization of the plan, he allowed the 549 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,280 General Inspector and his staff that is tout to make 550 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,280 all decisions. He considered a good policy to be in 551 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,159 agreement with those in daily contact with the problems of 552 00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,400 highway construction. He did, however, offer suggestions when the problems 553 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,519 were brought to him. The bridge sibilized appears approach to construction. 554 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,400 He's concerned with beauty and appearance, but the primary goal 555 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,920 is durability. As he has often stated, quote, we must build. 556 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,760 What we build must stand long after we're no longer 557 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,840 here unquote. So you know, do you build a society 558 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,880 that is concerned with the future and with esthetics? And 559 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,800 you know, Tucker Carlson's talked about this a little bit, like, 560 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:56,599 but the people who build ugly stuff in America's cities 561 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,559 hate you. They don't care about you. You know, if 562 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,079 they build you know, people who build ugly stuff for you, 563 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,880 they're telling you they don't care about you. They're telling 564 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,480 you that your kids don't deserve to have beautiful things 565 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:12,719 in their lives. 566 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,599 Speaker 3: It's also the yeah, and I the concept of the 567 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:23,079 geography of nowhere, you know, and because I'm not because 568 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,880 I because I don't drive. I'm always on foot. And thankfully, 569 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,559 you know, Chicago is one of the few places you 570 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,760 can live and not have a car because this public 571 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,480 transportation everywhere. And one of the reasons I like it 572 00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:40,719 here is because there's a lot of dedicated nature preserves 573 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,280 and things. But like most of this country, it's just 574 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,079 built up ugliness and like you can't you can't be 575 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,440 a pedestrian in a lot of places because there's nowhere 576 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,559 for you to walk. And you know, architecture and the 577 00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:02,519 design of living spaces, it physically dicks takes your movements. Yes, 578 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:06,239 you know, because there's that, And yeah, if you live 579 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,920 a missed, totally ugly surroundings, you know, it's it beats 580 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,519 you down psychologically, you know, Like I when I get 581 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,960 out West and I'm not trashing people live in the 582 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,280 west suburbs, like west of Oak Park and stuff. You 583 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,559 start when you get far enough away from like Cook County, 584 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,239 it becomes like Geography and Nowhere. It's like it's like 585 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,079 endless flat highways and you've just passed like Buffalo wild 586 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,320 Wings and like Target and these. 587 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 2: Like yeah old camarts. 588 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,039 Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean yeah, it's awful. 589 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 2: Man. 590 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 591 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 2: I've talked about Jim Cuntzer's you know, Geography Nowhere a 592 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,960 ton because it's it's really important actually that you know, 593 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:56,599 Chicago's the the last city, like furthest west city where 594 00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,840 you could actually live like a European style city. 595 00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 596 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: There's a really good book, William E. CrowdIn Nature's Metropolis 597 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,039 about Chicago. You should check it out if you get 598 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:15,400 a chance about the development of Chicago. But if a 599 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,519 society that cares about itself and cares about its future 600 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,960 is going to build things that make that society stronger 601 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,480 internally and a better place to be. And I think that, 602 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,480 you know, what have we built? 603 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 3: Uh? 604 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 2: You know, I've been a political adult basically since nine 605 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,159 to eleven. What is the United States built in the 606 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,920 last twenty five years that you can say that that's 607 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,599 gonna that's gonna matter in fifty years. Yeah, it's I 608 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,719 can't think of a thing. I can't I literally cannot 609 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,119 think of a single thing in the United States. 610 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,519 Speaker 3: No, and even even these like dedicated monuments where you 611 00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:00,599 have you know, people who at least have some rudimentary 612 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:06,000 idea of esthetical sophistication and you know, how things should 613 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:11,679 be harmoniously devised, you know, to kind of comport with 614 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,119 the natural features of the setting in which it's situated. 615 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,880 Like a lot of this stuff just looks bad, you know. 616 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,800 Like I the when I was in DC last you know, 617 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,400 I went by the World War Two Memorial, which I 618 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,960 thought was kind of tacky anyway, because the Evilshman Memorial 619 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,880 is the World War Two memorial if there is one, 620 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,880 and there's nothing like apparently offensive about it, but it 621 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,119 just looks bad, you know, it's something just like tacky 622 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:42,039 about it. 623 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 2: It's like it's just esthetically not well done. 624 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like totally unremarkable. Yeah, it's you know, no, 625 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:54,360 the only this beautiful architecture here, and that's kind of 626 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,119 my reference point for America. I mean, stuff like Mount 627 00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:01,599 Rushmore is fascinating, you know. But yeah, you'd think that 628 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,519 especially because you think that, especially in the years immediately 629 00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,880 after the Cold War, that would have been like a priority, 630 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,000 you know, not not in some crude triumphilist way, but 631 00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:17,079 you know, kind of America saying, you know, we defeated 632 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:21,400 the communist enemy. You know, now sort of culture can 633 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,360 reign of an elevated sword that where the standard bearer up. 634 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,199 Like whether that's true or not, is at the point 635 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,760 you think there'd be that impetus and that sort of desire, 636 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,079 even if it's exploited for reasons of political expediency in 637 00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,599 ways that are somewhat imperor of motive. But there was 638 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,800 none of that. 639 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 2: Where was like the great Symphony that to celebrate like 640 00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,480 the end of the Cold War and like the triumph 641 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,559 freedom like yeah, or a great a great opera or 642 00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:51,199 something like that. 643 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 3: You know that, Yeah, there's nothing, there's there's only there 644 00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:57,079 was only like an a particularly good song by the Scorpions, 645 00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,840 and I mean obviously they were like from the Bundest Republic. 646 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when's it change is a banger like 647 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,000 I'm not gonna knock, gonna knock it, you know, in 648 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,000 terms of what it is, it's great, but like, yeah, 649 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:17,280 there's no and you know, Hitler, it was a pretty 650 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:24,880 talented draftsman himself, but yeah, he was great. The built environment, 651 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,800 like if if if you build a beautiful built environment, 652 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,280 it's it's no, it's no coincidence that like Mozart and 653 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,280 the Strauss family and like how many great composers like 654 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:41,239 spent all their their great time in Vienna. 655 00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,639 Speaker 3: No, and yeah, that's why, And that's why people gravitate 656 00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:47,480 towards Prague these days, because Prague partakes that same sort 657 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,679 of Halfsburg Baroque beauty. Like I'm always telling people one 658 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:55,440 of my destinations, if I happen upon a time machine, 659 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,719 would be Halfsburg Vienna, because I mean I'm very very Protestant, 660 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,159 you know, like, but uh, I find myself taken in 661 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,880 by that kind of Baroque grandiosity, you know, as much 662 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,840 as uh, as much as a Roman Catholic person would be. 663 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,119 Man like, it's just incredible. 664 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,039 Speaker 2: Right But yeah, but but but the reason the reason 665 00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:26,320 Vienna pretty so many including you know, all right, Chancellor, right, 666 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,039 like all of these people were inspired by the beauty 667 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,840 that was everywhere around them in Vienna. 668 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 3: Y su Joseph Schumpeter made that point too, and I 669 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,440 mean he was you know, uh, you don't associate economists 670 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,400 with the same sort of creative aesthetical endeavors, but you know, 671 00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,800 it's but it's every everybody who came out of that 672 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,920 Mildew was you know, shaped by it in terms of 673 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,239 their you know, habits and the conventions they gravitated to 674 00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:01,679 and you know the things that you're in inspiration from. Sure, 675 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,000 you know, And yeah, that's that's what great civilizations are 676 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:11,280 made of, is those sorts of those sorts of you know, aspects. 677 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,119 Speaker 2: And it's funny because I like, in preparation for this 678 00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,639 episode and just in general, right, you know, I've I've 679 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:21,960 tried to find everything I can in English about this 680 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:30,000 pro this movement of construction and infrastructure and right, and 681 00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:37,000 I can't find anything in English that doesn't just attack right, 682 00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,000 attack the third. Like there's nothing out there. I mean, maybe, 683 00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:42,840 you know, Thomas maybe's got like a book from nineteen 684 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,320 forty six or something that that might happen if you 685 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,559 do like DM me later. 686 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,679 Speaker 3: But well, yeah, you can't. You can't take this up seriously. 687 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,400 It's the same as there'll be some like middling college 688 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,079 professor from some four to three university like talking about 689 00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,280 how Hitler was a loser. It's the same thing. It's 690 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,079 like it's like okay, bro, like I the guy conquered 691 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,960 Europe from France to the Gates of Moscow, defeated, the 692 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:16,039 British army, defeated the French army, conquered Poland, conquered Czechoslovakia, 693 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,800 conquered the Low countries, stop the American army dead in 694 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,440 its tracks. But he's like a loser compared He's a 695 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,800 quote quote loser compared to some middling college professor. Okay, 696 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,840 Like you can't, you can't. I mean, it's so preposterous 697 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,639 that it's it's it's like some pobo when maybe wants 698 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,239 curtain a rod declaring he's the emperor of the universe, 699 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,599 expected to take it seriously, or something like beneath me. 700 00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:46,519 Speaker 2: Well and and and Joseph Stalin right, Like, I don't 701 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:48,559 think people, I mean, I've talked about this enough so 702 00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,159 that people would know or certainly this audience as well 703 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,480 educated enough to know this. But the Iranians are not 704 00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:01,000 pro American because American trucks An America bullets were given 705 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,840 to British and Soviet soldiers in nineteen forty one to 706 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,440 invade their country from four different places, yeah, right, so 707 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,480 that they could secure the Persian supplier route, which supplied 708 00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:15,360 forty five divisions worth of troops to the Soviet Union. 709 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,559 The United States sent ten thousand aircraft from like Montana 710 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:23,880 up through Canada, through Alaska all the way across Siberia. 711 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:25,679 We're talking like ten We're talking like a third of 712 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:26,559 the way around the world. 713 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane. 714 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,159 Speaker 2: And in addition to like you know, constant convoys over 715 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,440 the North Atlantic to like the White Sea and the 716 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,960 worst ocean in the world, And we just lost tons 717 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,280 of shipping and you know that, right, And if it 718 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,599 hadn't been for that kind of heroic effort, you know, 719 00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:50,639 the Soviets would have lost the war. They save themselves 720 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,400 that that's why they would have lost the war. 721 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,159 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's why, you know, I mean, I it, 722 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,239 I was supposed to listen to some I'm supposed to 723 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:08,800 listen to some fourth rate self style propagandists. Tell me 724 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,519 that I'm a bad person because I won't accept it 725 00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:19,199 was an absolute moral imperative to exterminate Western civilization and 726 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,000 alliance with the Communists. You know, I mean, like I 727 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,679 I I these people are beneath me. 728 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 2: Thomas. You don't support supporting the communists? You hate freedom? 729 00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I if I don't go, if I 730 00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:37,039 don't hate Moslims for no reason, if I don't hate 731 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:41,159 my fellow Christians in Palestine. Yeah, and go on pretending 732 00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:46,320 that I'm Jewish, I'm a bad person. Yeah, that's like 733 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,199 I was on. I was always on the impression people 734 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,599 acted that way. We're mentally ill. But I apparently like no, 735 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,840 they're they're they're they're just really really bursting with with 736 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,039 moral integrity. And I'm I'm a I'm just like a 737 00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:58,719 bad person. 738 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's that's absolutely true, right, And I mean 739 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,039 we can talk about it. 740 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 3: I don't go to parades either. Were guys like pe 741 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,440 on each other and stuff like apparently it's supposed to 742 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,199 do in June, you know, like that, you know, and 743 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,840 I do things like honoring, like, you know, the heroes 744 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,920 of my own race instead of like going to like 745 00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:19,519 p parades. 746 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,079 Speaker 2: How dare you, Thomas? How dare you? You know? The 747 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,960 the I supposed we can talk about this just a 748 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,599 little bit, you know, a year later, right, the Trump 749 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:36,960 skeptical anti Jewish people have been completely vindicated, you know, 750 00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,840 like there's I only want to bring this up because 751 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,119 the the only salient and this is something I got 752 00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,159 from you, Thomas. So I'm gonna just steal it, right. 753 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,559 The only salient political conflict in the world today is 754 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,199 Zionis versus everybody else. Like those are the those are 755 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,639 your options. You're either on team Zionist, you're on team 756 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:04,599 like Civilization. And it's the same conflict in nineteen forty one. 757 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,920 It's the same conflict today, Like you're on team Zionist 758 00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,760 or you're on team Civilization. Are those are your teams? 759 00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:12,559 You know, like Charles and I always used to tell 760 00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,159 each other, like it's always January nineteen thirty six in Spain, 761 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:18,679 Like you got two teams, You got teams? 762 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. The fan surprising about Trump. I mean I never 763 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,760 had any illusions about Trump or I thought he was 764 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,119 a good guy. The way in which he crashed out 765 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,400 kind of surprised me because it was really, really stupid. 766 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,679 And he continues to kind of cook himself in the 767 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:42,280 court of public opinion when he doesn't have to. Yeah, 768 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,000 he's become I think he's slipping mentally. 769 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd think a narcissist would have more self respect, 770 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,239 you know. 771 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 3: Well, he also Trump's a master of manipulating the psychological environment. 772 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,519 I mean that's really that, That's really how he's gotten 773 00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,320 to where he is, and it's like he totally took 774 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:05,719 leave of you know, his his his uh Machiavelian sensibilities 775 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,599 as well as his instincts for how to proceed an 776 00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:12,840 index with the media cycle. It's he's been doing incredibly 777 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,119 dumb things. And I mean, not to derail us. I 778 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,079 gotta raise up in a minute too, start to be abrupt. 779 00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:20,039 I got like ten minutes. But the you know, the 780 00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,480 way you handle this Epstein matter is just incredibly stupid. 781 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,400 You know, it's not like he got it's not like 782 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,400 he got merked because he got put on the spot 783 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,360 and you know, didn't really see a way out. So 784 00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,159 you know, he kind of he kind of issued some 785 00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:37,719 he kind of made a declaration he couldn't deliver on 786 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,840 to get you know, a hostile interrogative media off his back, 787 00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:44,400 and then he came back to bite him. Was like 788 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,760 nothing like that. Just he's doing dumb shit, you know, 789 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,440 And the way he's responded, you know, he could have, 790 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:56,719 uh he could have basically playcated his masters. Well at 791 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,480 the same time put on airs like he was, you know, 792 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,480 demanding that you know, us sovereign, he be respective visa 793 00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,360 the Israel, and he did the opposite. You know, it's like, 794 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,360 what the hell's wrong with you? Like you, especially considering 795 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,320 the current environment conceptually and the way people feel about Israel, 796 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,400 that that was about the dumbest possible thing you could do. 797 00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:25,800 But that's the subject for another day. Forgive me, and yeah, 798 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,679 forgive me for me an abrupt I I we can 799 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,760 we can reconvene and continue this subject matter if you 800 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,480 guys want to. I mean, obviously, I'm sure you guys 801 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,920 are going to continue with it. But I'll rejoin you 802 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,239 guys at a later date if you want to continue this. 803 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 2: Anytime you want to talk about whatever you want to 804 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,119 talk about, Thomas, I'm always happy to listen. You know, 805 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,320 if you got. 806 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,119 Speaker 3: To now you should. I'm doing this series now with 807 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,039 the World at War guys, Nick and Adam, which is great. 808 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,480 I'm very blessed they wanted to include me. But I 809 00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,760 you know, I also we put like Pete and I 810 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,719 with a couple other guys. You know, we we do 811 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,719 the Inquisition pod. Oh you should you should? Yeah, you should? 812 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,760 You should? You should dip in there sometime, man, anytime. 813 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm a big fan of Astrals and NICKO 814 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,960 and I've been an old friends of mine for years, 815 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:16,079 you know. 816 00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:18,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he's a great dude. Okay, yeah, you're you're 817 00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:24,079 aware of it. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, I'll be 818 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:28,880 in touch and I'm always at long last. I'm gonna start, uh, 819 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:34,119 I'm gonna start live streaming on the regular, and if 820 00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,920 it would help, if you'd be willing to collab with 821 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,320 me on that sometimes too. 822 00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 2: But you call it, you call and I'll jump on in, like. 823 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,400 Speaker 3: Get my phone number from Pete Man and like shoot 824 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,719 me a text in the next couple of days and 825 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,239 just like identify yourself when you do, and yeah, we'll 826 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,599 talk about it over text if that's cool. 827 00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:02,519 Speaker 2: That's fine. Yeah, let's uh, let's close, let's close this 828 00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:07,159 one down then, yeah, that's all right. So Thomas get plugs. 829 00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:14,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me. I run a charity for 830 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,559 autistic l g B t Q children. Now I don't 831 00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:26,559 do that my live stream. You can find me at 832 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,079 Thomas seven seven seven dot com. It's number seven h 833 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:34,599 on me s seven seven seven dot com. And uh, 834 00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,679 my substack is where I direct people too as well, 835 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,519 because that's what my podcast is a lot of my 836 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,559 long form writing. And we got a very active chat 837 00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:48,239 there it's real Thomas seven seven seven dot substack dot com. 838 00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:54,079 And as I kind of restructure my content, I know 839 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,000 I'm active on those two platforms every day. So go 840 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:01,760 there and you shall one d E. 841 00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 2: Well, I have my own show fundamental principle, it's also 842 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,039 on substack. 843 00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:06,679 Speaker 3: Uh. 844 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,559 Speaker 2: I gotta give a strong recommend to following Thomas's telegram 845 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,039 and his sub stack. I followed both of them, and 846 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,519 of course everything everything Pete can on is uh. You know, 847 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:20,039 give give Pete money, listen to his shows, do his 848 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,239 live streams, you know, get your out through o GC, 849 00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:26,440 support the people to support you. You know that you're giving, 850 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,360 You're given. You know what amounts to do three hundred 851 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,360 orour hundred level college lectures by Thomas and Pete or 852 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,800 by you know, doctor Johnson and Pete or you know Pete. 853 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,280 Pete enabled so much stuff to good things to happen, 854 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,559 and he works really hard behind the scenes that you 855 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:41,159 don't see, and he helps people all the time. So 856 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:44,039 you know, the stuff that Pete does in front of 857 00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:46,480 the camera's only a portion of the of the hard 858 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,320 work he puts in. And on top of all that, 859 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,679 he's like a really great friend so please, you know, 860 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,440 support the people that that don't hate you. 861 00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:55,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, I appreciate that. 862 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,480 Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, have a good evening. 863 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:15,199 Speaker 2: Thank you. SA