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Speaker 2: We have Gary from Centennial Holding, so Gary, stick with us.
Speaker 2: We're going to go to Carlos Baron first, but then
Speaker 2: we'll make sure we get your call on because I
Speaker 2: know you've got some comments about our governor's candidate that
Speaker 2: we just had on. But what's us on our hotline
Speaker 2: is Carlos Baron. He's the newly minted House Minority Whip
Speaker 2: and representative out of House District forty eight. Carlos, How
Speaker 2: you doing this afternoon?
Speaker 3: How you doing, surif frames? Thank you for having me
Speaker 3: on again, my friend.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. You know, it's not often that we
Speaker 2: have someone who's part of the news break while we're
Speaker 2: on where we're at commercial who then also gets to
Speaker 2: come on and tell us exactly how this played out.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're relatively new down at the State House
Speaker 2: and kind of taking a big swing here to become
Speaker 2: the new Republican whip. What does that mean? For you.
Speaker 4: Well, first of.
Speaker 5: All, I'm one honors to gain the confidence of my caucus,
Speaker 5: my colleagues, uh, to be able to.
Speaker 4: Step into this role.
Speaker 3: Uh, this this whole session, I.
Speaker 5: Have been working hard to getting to know every single
Speaker 5: one on my my colleagues on both sides of the
Speaker 5: fial most of all in my Republican caucus. And and
Speaker 5: and I was able to gain their confidence to be
Speaker 5: able to be their next minority whip, a job that
Speaker 5: really that's what entails bringing people together, bringing the caucus together,
Speaker 5: and moving forward with winning votes.
Speaker 2: Well, do you get some kind of cool actual whip
Speaker 2: like you know Raiders of the Lost ARGs. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got to have something cool, right exactly?
Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't say no if somebody wanted
Speaker 3: to give me.
Speaker 6: A whip, you know, I could use that on the floor.
Speaker 2: There you go, There you go. I make I make
Speaker 2: light of it, But it's a it's a very important role.
Speaker 2: And for the listeners, I mean, your job is to
Speaker 2: try to without any pun intended, whip up the votes
Speaker 2: you need to get people to support the agenda of
Speaker 2: the Republicans or and vice versa, to try to oppose
Speaker 2: certain measures from the Democrats. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent correct. So yeah, my job
Speaker 5: with entails is whipping up votes, bringing the caucus together
Speaker 5: to have these discussions on which bills that we're going
Speaker 5: to be supporting, why we're supporting them, which ones we
Speaker 5: should be opposing, why we oppose them, and then come
Speaker 5: up with the game plan to argue these bills at
Speaker 5: the well to to try to convince the other side
Speaker 5: you know this is not a good idea, you should.
Speaker 3: Vote for this. This is This is the.
Speaker 5: Job of the minority whip, and I'm totally.
Speaker 3: Prepared for it, and I know my caucus very well.
Speaker 5: The personalities, what the strengths all. We have many great
Speaker 5: legislators on the Republican side that have very good, strong strengths,
Speaker 5: and also knowing the districts of our representatives and the
Speaker 5: Republican caucuss, knowing that some districts are are pretty volatile,
Speaker 5: and and being able to give them that little, that
Speaker 5: little nudge to to hey, this is this, this is
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 3: This is the type of battle you need for your district.
Speaker 2: Right that makes a lot of sense. And just mechanically,
Speaker 2: since you guys are in recess, how is that vote taken?
Speaker 2: How I mean, I know you didn't have a you
Speaker 2: couldn't have a special session or anything to determine this.
Speaker 2: How was that vote taken? How did you guys kind
Speaker 2: of campaign for this? And you know, how did that?
Speaker 2: How did that transpire?
Speaker 5: Yeah, historically, this, this vote, the leadership vote, is not
Speaker 5: publicly publicly announced.
Speaker 3: It's not really like like we go out and we
Speaker 3: get campaign signs for it. It's it's all just a
Speaker 3: vote within our own caucus.
Speaker 5: So historically, also this vote is taking this right before
Speaker 5: session and and and most likely being done in person
Speaker 5: because we're all we're all in the in the vicinity
Speaker 5: and getting ready for session to come up.
Speaker 3: But you know, this representer of Armagas, who I also
Speaker 3: mentioned in my in my nomine nation speech.
Speaker 5: He did a great job in this position. He decided
Speaker 5: to step down to resign because he's making a move
Speaker 5: forward in his own personal life, which is very honorable
Speaker 5: and very accepted that he's got to move to Arizona
Speaker 5: for a new job.
Speaker 3: And so this is something that we don't really do.
Speaker 5: This time of year. But we did a zoom caucus meeting,
Speaker 5: a zoom vote. It was a voice vote, so every member.
Speaker 5: You know, our Caucustra went down to the roster of
Speaker 5: members and we all voted for.
Speaker 3: The phenominee publicly, and then that's how it went down.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, congratulations Carlos. I know this is going
Speaker 2: to put more work on your plate, but I know
Speaker 2: you're a hard worker and you're very relational, and just
Speaker 2: in the short time you've been down at the state Capitol,
Speaker 2: it's obvious that you've made some inroads down there. So
Speaker 2: good luck to you. And again, thanks for coming on
Speaker 2: the show and kind of breaking it down for us,
Speaker 2: and congratulations to this new honor that has been bestowing
Speaker 2: upon you.
Speaker 3: Thank you every of my Sheriffames. I hope to see
Speaker 3: you here soon. Body.
Speaker 2: You bet nice talking with you with that. We've got
Speaker 2: a collar on the line. Gary from Centennial, You've been
Speaker 2: waiting quite a while, and I want to get to
Speaker 2: you because you have some comments about Joshua Griffin, candidate
Speaker 2: for governor. Gary. Yeah, what do you got Gary?
Speaker 6: Hi there, Sarah Fremes. Yeah, I I as soon as
Speaker 6: you got Don Cock and I flipped over. I went
Speaker 6: on to get next account, you know, and he has
Speaker 6: a something that's posted on here about I had to
Speaker 6: test that far right politics as much as I do
Speaker 6: the far left. Okay, I will never pans her fall
Speaker 6: or bow to the so called magi cult. I'd like
Speaker 6: some definition on that, because you know, I'm not hardcore maggot,
Speaker 6: but I'm as conservative. But I would never.
Speaker 3: Bash Well.
Speaker 6: It's a huge tunk of this party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that. We had a text come in
Speaker 2: that kind of said the same thing. You know, you're
Speaker 2: probably hurting yourself if you're walking away from the Republican
Speaker 2: Party but running as a Republican. I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: a it's a different strategy, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 6: Gary Well, I think troubling when he has idea for
Speaker 6: light rail, it looks like connecting Puebwell to Fort Collins.
Speaker 2: There's I don't know. I think the light rail thing
Speaker 2: is uh, it's a pie in the sky mess in
Speaker 2: my opinion. I don't think there's any there's there's just
Speaker 2: not a feasible pathway to make that even make sense
Speaker 2: in my mind.
Speaker 6: Me neither. Well, So, yeah, that's that's something what I
Speaker 6: found in here, and I just that was just a
Speaker 6: quick right off the bat.
Speaker 2: Gary. What I would I would suggest to you is,
Speaker 2: you know, hit him up on Twitter, hit him up
Speaker 2: on X whatever you call it nowadays, and ask him
Speaker 2: to explain it. Uh, you know, maybe maybe we're reading
Speaker 2: into this wrong. I don't know, but sometimes the best
Speaker 2: way to get a get an answer asked the question.
Speaker 6: And one of the there's a couple of people at
Speaker 6: ask them in the comments underneath that post. Do you
Speaker 6: never responded to either one of them?
Speaker 2: Well give them another one who knows. So from the
Speaker 2: people that we've had on, has anyone resonated with you
Speaker 2: at Gary where you say that's my candidate? Have you
Speaker 2: picked your candidate? Have you picked your horse yet? Are
Speaker 2: you still waiting?
Speaker 6: Still? Are still waiting on? You all running? And I'll
Speaker 6: go through and I'll uh, I'm pretty uh pretty diligent.
Speaker 6: Whatever I do this, I go through and me too,
Speaker 6: Me too, somebody.
Speaker 2: Is there a candidate out there that you think are
Speaker 2: a potential candidate out there that you'd love to see
Speaker 2: hop in the race that isn't announced yet? Is there
Speaker 2: someone out there that just you know that that would
Speaker 2: be your person?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: I actually really like Heidi, But yeah, I don't I
Speaker 6: don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to speak for her.
Speaker 6: I don't think she'll be on here Wednesday.
Speaker 2: You can call in and ask her then, So that's
Speaker 2: that's a your answer. I mean, you know, let's just
Speaker 2: be candid. Going up against the Polist machine is tough.
Speaker 2: It's tough for any candidate, and she she went in
Speaker 2: during a really tough time. I mean, and I think
Speaker 2: I think Heidi worked.
Speaker 6: Ahead that people didn't see the debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're one hundred percent right on that, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm a political nerd. It sounds like
Speaker 2: you might be as well. And I say that affectionately.
Speaker 2: I watched the debates and you're right, it wasn't even close.
Speaker 2: And if that were the Yeah, if that were the
Speaker 2: barometer by which people voted, we would have we would
Speaker 2: not have Governor Polus in office right now.
Speaker 4: That's that's for darns absolutely well.
Speaker 2: You know, like I said, she'll be on here Wednesday.
Speaker 2: You can call in and see if you can convince her.
Speaker 2: I'm still I would still like to see Dan Kaplis
Speaker 2: jump in the race, but that's uh, that's my personal
Speaker 2: racehorse at this point. I'm probably I'm probably not going
Speaker 2: to see that happen. But who knows. I mean, anybody
Speaker 2: can get motive at any time. I don't think Heidi
Speaker 2: was necessarily looking at her whole life and saying I'm
Speaker 2: going to run for governor. But you know, I think
Speaker 2: she gave it the College try. She just gave it
Speaker 2: the College tried a really tough political time. Well, thanks
Speaker 2: for calling in, Gary, appreciate that and have a good afternoon.
Speaker 2: We appreciate it, you bet. So that's Gary's take on
Speaker 2: on Joshua Griffin. What's say the rest of you? And
Speaker 2: in addition, you know, congratulations to Carlos Baron out there.
Speaker 2: We've had Ryan armagost On several times kind of in
Speaker 2: his in his escapades with the Second Amendment Caucus and
Speaker 2: fighting back and forth with r mg O, and you know,
Speaker 2: we we spoke about him a little bit last week
Speaker 2: when he was looking at at walking away and some
Speaker 2: people that want to fill his seat. But he's got
Speaker 2: some immediate duties that had to be filled and that's
Speaker 2: one of those is being the minority whip. So congratulations
Speaker 2: to Carlos Baron. Great guy. He lives in Fort Lopton.
Speaker 2: I've got a chance to know him since he's he's
Speaker 2: gotten elected to that seat and very I mean he's
Speaker 2: a very thoughtful guy. I don't think he's taking a
Speaker 2: vote on an issue that would cross with law enforcement
Speaker 2: that he hasn't called me and or texted me and
Speaker 2: gotten my opinion on on where I stand on particular issues.
Speaker 2: And that's that's about all you can ask for. And
Speaker 2: a representative who's fighting the minority down there. But again,
Speaker 2: I think he'll be a very relational person that can
Speaker 2: help move the needle down to the state Capitol. But
Speaker 2: if you've got to comments on any of that stuff,
Speaker 2: you can text in at five seven, seven, three nine,
Speaker 2: start your text with Dan, or call in like Gary
Speaker 2: did from Centennial three oh three seven one three eight
Speaker 2: two five five. I'll be nice to you. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to beat you up on the radio, but I
Speaker 2: love hearing what you have to say about the topics
Speaker 2: that we're discussing, whether it's Epstein, whether it's your Fourth
Speaker 2: of July traditions, or the governor's candidate we had on
Speaker 2: you know, we've had I think he was our ninth
Speaker 2: one today, we'll have our tenth on tomorrow. I've got
Speaker 2: messages out to the remainder of the four or five
Speaker 2: that are out there. We'll we'll see if any of
Speaker 2: them are daring enough to take a swing at the
Speaker 2: Dan Caplis Show. But with that, we'll cut the break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll see if you guys are
Speaker 2: ready to engage a little more, and we'll chop it
Speaker 2: up here before we have George Brockler on at five
Speaker 2: point thirty six, so we'll go to break. You listen
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Speaker 2: Steve Riams as your guest host.
Speaker 7: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Governor's candidate that we had on a little earlier, Joshua Griffin.
Speaker 2: And I also got a text message that kind of
Speaker 2: speaks to the candidacy of Joshua Griffin, and the Texter
Speaker 2: actually sent it to my personal phone and said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Trump lost Colorado, so maybe this guy's onto something.
Speaker 2: Maybe his his pathway to his candidacy makes more sense
Speaker 2: because Trump didn't do very well in Colorado and the
Speaker 2: Republicans haven't fared so well here, so maybe maybe this
Speaker 2: guy's got a better plan. I don't know. It's going
Speaker 2: to be interesting, It's it's going to be a cage fight.
Speaker 2: To watch how some of these candidates move forward, and
Speaker 2: you know how they kind of navigate the landscape, I
Speaker 2: mean bypassing all the normal events and you know, kind
Speaker 2: of engaging with non traditional voters hadn't been tried to
Speaker 2: my knowledge. So maybe that's maybe that's the winning combination.
Speaker 2: I guess we're going to find out soon enough. Also
Speaker 2: got a text that reminded me of a little scenario
Speaker 2: that played out over the weekend in a parade that
Speaker 2: I was in. One of my friends here says nice
Speaker 2: seeing you at the parade. Keep up the good radio,
Speaker 2: and he refers to me as his beer his beard broke,
Speaker 2: because we both have similarly styled beards. So with that,
Speaker 2: when I walked in the Stampede Parade this year, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's got to be I think the first one I
Speaker 2: ever walked in was probably two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
Speaker 2: and I've walked in I don't know how many parades
Speaker 2: in Weld County. I think we're the parade in this
Speaker 2: county and all of Colorado, we have like twenty eight
Speaker 2: or thirty two parades that happened during the summer season.
Speaker 2: Because there's so many little communities throughout World County, four
Speaker 2: thousand square miles. Everybody has their own celebration. But in
Speaker 2: all those years of taking part in a parade and
Speaker 2: walking with the Republican Party, or walking for my own
Speaker 2: candidacy and trying to get my name recognition out there
Speaker 2: for my own races, I've never seen anyone that was
Speaker 2: as fully triggered as an individual during the Stampede parade
Speaker 2: this weekend in Greeley. And I've had a lady stand
Speaker 2: in her front yard in Millican or the front yard
Speaker 2: of a schoolhouse in Milliican and double handed flip me
Speaker 2: off for the entire time that the float went by
Speaker 2: back in like I don't know, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: She was not a fan of my campaign or me personally.
Speaker 2: She never said a word. She just stood there and
Speaker 2: flipped me off and made sure that I knew that
Speaker 2: she was not a fan. But you know, I've had
Speaker 2: plenty of people, you know, support me and vote for
Speaker 2: me three times to get me into office. And you know,
Speaker 2: usually feedback is pretty good in the parades, But in
Speaker 2: this particular parade in Weld County, which is definitely conservative territory,
Speaker 2: there was a person that was walking with the Republican float,
Speaker 2: and he had on a shirt that said it's a
Speaker 2: big picture of Trump's face on the shirt, and on
Speaker 2: the shirt it says sexiest man Alive. And it's referring
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump, and it's you know, it's a controversial shirt,
Speaker 2: I guess for someone who's not necessarily a Republican fan.
Speaker 2: And this guy who's walking with the Republicans, he's just
Speaker 2: walking down the street, you know, he's got his MAGA
Speaker 2: hat on and supporting Republican politics again in Greeley, Weld County, Colorado.
Speaker 2: And this viewer of the parade from the sidelines, he
Speaker 2: just gets extremely upset and basically spends the rest of
Speaker 2: the parade from about the quarter mark in And the
Speaker 2: parade in greeley's pretty long if you've ever set through it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a long walk that you take down.
Speaker 2: I guess it's Tenth Street or tenth ab in Greeley.
Speaker 2: You walked from the university all the way down to
Speaker 2: the north end of town. But this guy walked along
Speaker 2: on the sidewalk on the parade route for the entire
Speaker 2: length of three quarters of the length of the parade,
Speaker 2: screaming at our individual that was wearing the Trump shirt.
Speaker 2: He was just triggered. He was screaming and yelling and
Speaker 2: arguing that Trump wasn't really the president, that forty nine
Speaker 2: percent wasn't the majority. I mean, just the most ridiculous things,
Speaker 2: all the way along the parade route, all while families
Speaker 2: are sitting there trying to enjoy the parade. So he's
Speaker 2: weaving in and out of these families while he's walking
Speaker 2: down the sidewalk, just screaming and yelling back and forth
Speaker 2: at our group as we walked in the parade. And
Speaker 2: I was far enough back that I could see it happening,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't really hear exactly what was being said.
Speaker 2: There was some video that was posted later on Facebook,
Speaker 2: and it was just I don't understand people. You know,
Speaker 2: the triggering effect that the political process is having on folks.
Speaker 2: It's a little unhinged at this point, I guess, And yeah,
Speaker 2: people just have to be adults. But in the I
Speaker 2: don't know, the fifteen plush years that I've been walking
Speaker 2: in parades, And granted I supported Ken Buck when he
Speaker 2: was running for US Senate, that wasn't necessarily a popular
Speaker 2: stance back then. It sure wouldn't be a popular stance
Speaker 2: now with some of the stuff that he went through
Speaker 2: towards the end of the he I guess brought on himself
Speaker 2: at the end of his tenure in Congress, but even
Speaker 2: supporting ken Buck in those Senate races and then in
Speaker 2: his house races. I never had anybody scream at me
Speaker 2: like what we saw at the parade in Greeley. Again,
Speaker 2: just unhinged lunacy. And I don't know ruin the parade
Speaker 2: for well, I shouldn't say ruined. The parade probably caused
Speaker 2: some questions of kids, you know, to ask their parents,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with that guy? And he seemed he looked
Speaker 2: totally normal. It wasn't like he was a you know,
Speaker 2: a deranged homeless person that had had fixated on the
Speaker 2: guy on our person in the Trump shirt. He was
Speaker 2: obviously a demic that was not happy, and he was
Speaker 2: going to make that very well known, and he did
Speaker 2: so for quite some time throughout the PARADERA again, I
Speaker 2: have something I've never seen. I hope I never see
Speaker 2: it again, but just complete lunacy. Again, where does this
Speaker 2: stuff come from? But we have triggering on the other
Speaker 2: side too. You got the Epstein list, and you know,
Speaker 2: people a little upset with what's not coming out, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's what we're going to get from David here.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's calling in from Fort Collins. He's got
Speaker 2: to comment about the parade. Let's go to David. David,
Speaker 2: what do you got for us?
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you for taking my call. Was listening to.
Speaker 6: Your story about the man in the parade wearing the
Speaker 6: shirt with a picture Trump. That's a sexiest man alive.
Speaker 4: That is a friend of mine from my church, and
Speaker 4: I got to tell you he wears that to the
Speaker 4: church every week.
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, he's I won't say his name because I
Speaker 2: don't know if he wants it out there, but that
Speaker 2: is his attire. He wears that everywhere he.
Speaker 4: Goes, wears it proudly.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Well, hey, I'm sorry, but we don't have
Speaker 2: very much time. We're cutting too a hard break. But
Speaker 2: thanks for calling in. If you're listening to the Dankplass
Speaker 2: Show here on six point thirty k how with Welcunty
Speaker 2: Sheriff Steve Reims as your guest host.
Speaker 7: You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2: And with us on the line, is someone that many
Speaker 2: of you know from not only this radio show, but
Speaker 2: his own radio show a few years back. And he
Speaker 2: also has this little side gig that he does as
Speaker 2: a district attorney for the twenty third Judicial District. George Brouckler,
Speaker 2: How you doing.
Speaker 4: I'm living the dream one man. How are you doing?
Speaker 4: How is your fourth?
Speaker 2: It was great. We were talking about some of the
Speaker 2: traditions that you just have to check off to say
Speaker 2: that you had a good Fourth of July. And I
Speaker 2: think I checked off like ninety percent one of them
Speaker 2: this weekend.
Speaker 4: But still have all your fingers and toes and all
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's safety third. But we kept all the
Speaker 2: fingers and toes. How about you, do you have a
Speaker 2: good first?
Speaker 4: It was interesting man. My son, my youngest set of
Speaker 4: baseball tournament out in a place called Ogden, Utah. Not
Speaker 4: the mecca out there that you might think. So they
Speaker 4: didn't really have like in Ogden itself in the city,
Speaker 4: they didn't have a ton of fireworks. It was all
Speaker 4: out there in the hintry regions. They still had them.
Speaker 3: Remember, yes, you're at it, but.
Speaker 4: It just was different. And I didn't get a light
Speaker 4: anything or you know, run the risk of blowing off
Speaker 4: a kid's you know, fingers or toes or anything like
Speaker 4: you normally would. So it just felt different. It's different
Speaker 4: than the old days when we were in the cul
Speaker 4: to sack and you'd light something and run because.
Speaker 3: You never knew yaw quick diffuse.
Speaker 2: We had one of those experiences with a rocket with
Speaker 2: a little plastic fins on it where we lit it
Speaker 2: and it immediately went over our heads and backwards and
Speaker 2: right to the front door of my mom's house. Luckily
Speaker 2: no one will stand in there, but you know, had
Speaker 2: the little ground explosion and everybody survived. That was our
Speaker 2: That was our fun for the night. But George, you're
Speaker 2: not on to talk about fireworks. You're on to talk
Speaker 2: about a case that you just recently prosecuted in your
Speaker 2: judicial district with a i'll just call him a raging
Speaker 2: drunk and the success you had in that prosecution kind
Speaker 2: of a little outside the norm of what you normally
Speaker 2: see on one of these cases. Tell us what exactly happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a case that had some press at
Speaker 4: the time for that reason, but we finally got it
Speaker 4: sentenced on Thursday to a big sentence. And so to
Speaker 4: set the stage and you know this, Colorado has pretty
Speaker 4: weak laws when it comes to driving to riving drunk
Speaker 4: and killing people when driving drunk. Like right now, if
Speaker 4: someone goes out there, gets themselves liquored up north of
Speaker 4: a point two zero zero blood alcohol level and runs
Speaker 4: over a family of five, they would still be eligible
Speaker 4: under a vehicular homicide statutes to probation, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: they'd get it, but they'd be eligible mandatory stacking of
Speaker 4: charges to four to twelve year very very weak. So
Speaker 4: we had this case that took place, my gosh, just
Speaker 4: about a year ago in Douglas County, down off a
Speaker 4: Plumb Creek, where a lieutenant colonel, Superstar Air Force active
Speaker 4: duty cast pilot guy three deployments. I mean, this dude's
Speaker 4: a legit patriot, right, takes his family to the rest
Speaker 4: day of the Douglas County Fair. Yeah, zero euro takes
Speaker 4: his family to the Douglas County Fair. By the way,
Speaker 4: survives all the bad guys, everything that was thrown at
Speaker 4: him in war, survived all that. He's at the gas
Speaker 4: station at the seven eleven. They're off of Plum Creek
Speaker 4: filling up when along comes Paul Stevenson and Paul Wayne
Speaker 4: Stevenson had had a couple prior to Uys before got
Speaker 4: himself liquored up because his wife had left him. He
Speaker 4: was feeling down and blue, and he drank all the
Speaker 4: alcohol in his house, including a pint of fireball whiskey
Speaker 4: in a couple and then he pours himself into his
Speaker 4: raised truck, takes off down westbound Plumb Creek, and then,
Speaker 4: for reasons that I attribute to him intentionally wanting to
Speaker 4: harm himself and not caring about anybody else, he drives
Speaker 4: over about four lanes of traffic, hops a curb into
Speaker 4: if you can picture, a gas station, and Karine's head
Speaker 4: first towards the gas pumps, hits this car with four
Speaker 4: kids in it. The car hits the hero the dad
Speaker 4: so hard it takes his foot off above the ankle
Speaker 4: and sends him flying about fifteen feet closed head injury.
Speaker 4: And even though he fights like a champ, he dies
Speaker 4: in front of his kids. Basically, his kids are like,
Speaker 4: that's daddy. Is my daddy? Is my daddy going to
Speaker 4: be okay? So when it came to charging this thing,
Speaker 4: it didn't make sense to put this kuy in a
Speaker 4: position where he was going to get prot potentially so
Speaker 4: we decided to go appropriately aggressive and we charged him
Speaker 4: with first degree murder on an extreme indifference to the
Speaker 4: value of human life theory. To court convinced the jury,
Speaker 4: they found him guilty, and then last Thursday, right before
Speaker 4: Independence Day, the judge imposed life without parole plus ninety
Speaker 4: two consecutive years of the Department of Corrections.
Speaker 2: So that is fantastic.
Speaker 4: That's it for this guy. He will leave prison feet first,
Speaker 4: and that's exactly how it should be.
Speaker 2: Well, I have to applaud you for that, because, as
Speaker 2: you well know, that's not the typical route that prosecutors
Speaker 2: might look at. And no knock on some of your colleagues,
Speaker 2: but that's a very non traditional route for prosecuting that
Speaker 2: type of case. But a very good outcome and one
Speaker 2: that is deserve it of that type of crime.
Speaker 4: I agree. I wish I could tell you that this
Speaker 4: was a tool that was available in every one of
Speaker 4: these But it's as suppose we had going for us,
Speaker 4: or a combination of his history, his driving, his conduct,
Speaker 4: and complete lack of remorse all the way through sentencing.
Speaker 4: The judge says at the time of sentencing, you know,
Speaker 4: mister Stevenson, throughout the entire trial, everything has been about you.
Speaker 4: I remember you testifying and saying nobody cares about me,
Speaker 4: and even now here at sentencing, you barely say anything
Speaker 4: about the victims. In the PSI, the pre sentenced Investigation Report.
Speaker 4: When asked to comment on the victims, his written statement was, yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess for victims.
Speaker 3: Like anything you wanted to Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4: So all of these things added up to create an
Speaker 4: environment where he was not going to be given a
Speaker 4: lot of mercy, and deservedly so. But you know other jurisdictions,
Speaker 4: could they do this in some of those cases? Yes?
Speaker 4: I think so. But it's not riskless, right right, riskless
Speaker 4: of a jury and have them go well, it doesn't feel
Speaker 4: like murder. I don't care how you define it. It
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like murder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not like they can drop down, and
Speaker 2: they can't drop down and say we're going to give
Speaker 2: him something less. I mean, it's all or nothing, right, Well, so.
Speaker 4: The great question. So in this particular case, the charges
Speaker 4: had originally included vehicular homicide and then some child to
Speaker 4: be stuff, but the defense journey had said, look, I'm
Speaker 4: coming to court and I'm gonna plead guilty to those things.
Speaker 4: And I originally we had objected and said, well, there's
Speaker 4: no chance that you should. You know, you can't plead
Speaker 4: guilty to just the charges you like and go on
Speaker 4: the others. And not only did the judge and there
Speaker 4: was a statute that leaves some wiggle room here say look,
Speaker 4: she was inclined to do it, she also left open
Speaker 4: the possibility and this freaked me out that she might
Speaker 4: let him actually have his client testify in front of
Speaker 4: the jury that he pled guilty to those lesser charges,
Speaker 4: thus setting up setting up the argument, you see, which
Speaker 4: is I've already taken responsibility for my conduct. Please don't
Speaker 4: hit me with the murder. Those big bad prosecutors. So
Speaker 4: we dumped all those lesser charges, Okay, I mean that's
Speaker 4: the gutsy move on the murder. And then the defense
Speaker 4: journey shows up at the close of evidence and says, well,
Speaker 4: I want to offer a lesser, non includive, criminally negligent homicide.
Speaker 4: So they did have a lesser charge, but the chasm.
Speaker 3: Between them was so great that I just think that.
Speaker 4: Jury's like one. We don't like you. Two were horrified
Speaker 4: by your conduct and your attitude. We're going to get
Speaker 4: you with the murder, and so this guy is going
Speaker 4: to be in prison forever, no doubt there'll be some
Speaker 4: post conviction of pellet stuff. But this dude is tuned
Speaker 4: up good well, so.
Speaker 2: You know, not to be lost with the listeners. But
Speaker 2: you know that takes some stones, George. I mean, and
Speaker 2: I say that because it would be very easy just
Speaker 2: to go for the you know, the the easy charge.
Speaker 2: I mean, what you did, it definitely was. It's not
Speaker 2: without risk, as you said, but it's it's in the
Speaker 2: interest of the family. Was the family supportive of that
Speaker 2: decision the whole way through, Steve.
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like the support this thing had.
Speaker 4: So if you can picture throughout the trial, not only
Speaker 4: is the wife there.
Speaker 3: Who's now has to muggy right right.
Speaker 4: For relatively young kids forever by herself without the dad,
Speaker 4: but she's there, the Air Force sent office I'm talking
Speaker 4: for the great officers, Majors and lieutenant colonels to sit
Speaker 4: in the court room every day trial and the traffic
Speaker 4: unit from the Castle Rock PD who worked this case. Okay,
Speaker 4: we're so moved by this. After they got done.
Speaker 3: Testifying, they would sit down in the courtroom and.
Speaker 4: Come back every day. I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 4: That's how invested they were in this case, and I
Speaker 4: got to believe it paid off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: it sucks that you have to go through the process
Speaker 2: like that in the state of Colorado because our legal
Speaker 2: system is so watered down. But I'm glad you're willing
Speaker 2: to take those risks and do it on the cases
Speaker 2: that are most appropriate. George, thanks for coming on giving
Speaker 2: us that rundown. Thanks for the story, and keep hitting
Speaker 2: those home runs. Man, you're you're knocking out of the park.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you're back in your wheelhouse.
Speaker 4: Listen, this is a great job. And for the listeners.
Speaker 4: By the way, we are still trying to craft some
Speaker 4: sort of a Sheriff and da meet up right here
Speaker 4: on eron absolutely losing it for the future.
Speaker 2: We're going to get it done. At some point. It's
Speaker 2: going to happen, and then they're going to close the
Speaker 2: radio station down. All right, Thanks George, thanks for being
Speaker 2: on with us. We'll cut the break and pay a
Speaker 2: few bills as we come back. We'll clear up a
Speaker 2: few phone calls and read some text messages.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Dan Caplas Show on six point
Speaker 2: thirty k How with Well Kenny Sheriff Steve Raams.
Speaker 7: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Yea as the guest host today. You know, we've had
Speaker 2: quite a wide range of topics here today, a little
Speaker 2: bit of everything from Fourth of July to people losing
Speaker 2: their mind over parades to George Brockler in that last segment.
Speaker 2: You know, that guy just continues to lean into the
Speaker 2: job that he's doing down there in the twenty third
Speaker 2: Judicial District. I love the wins that he's getting. I
Speaker 2: love the fact that he's so passionate about what he does.
Speaker 2: And there's quite a few of those those types of
Speaker 2: district attorneys out there. I happen to have a really
Speaker 2: good one up in up in Weld County in the
Speaker 2: nineteenth Judicial District, Michael Rourke. He's just not as much
Speaker 2: for radio interviews as George is, but Michael hits home
Speaker 2: runs too. So it's good having some of those guys
Speaker 2: who still believe in the rule a law and still
Speaker 2: enforce the law. But in this last little bit of
Speaker 2: time we got here, if you want to call in,
Speaker 2: you said, there's still an opportunity three oh three seven one,
Speaker 2: three eight two five five, and you can definitely still
Speaker 2: text in. He can start your text with Dan and
Speaker 2: text into five seven seven three nine. We've got a
Speaker 2: couple here that I want to read. One of them's
Speaker 2: kind of funny. It says, Hello, sheriff, reams, I'll give
Speaker 2: you two thumbs up and a ten star review. He's
Speaker 2: an El Paso County resident. Said it hasn't been able
Speaker 2: to vote for me. However, if I ran for governor
Speaker 2: or senator or something else, he'd be he'd be engaged
Speaker 2: to do so, or she maybe. Oh no, this is
Speaker 2: a he. It's Mark says, God bless you and all
Speaker 2: the women of the well Anty Sheriff's office. I appreciate that, Mark.
Speaker 2: I don't have any intentions to run for any statewide
Speaker 2: office or any local office quite at this point, but
Speaker 2: who knows. Things can always change. And then from Mark, you're.
Speaker 1: Going to be out of a job soon.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, I am going to be out.
Speaker 4: Of a job. Never say never.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying never. I'm just saying it's highly unlikely.
Speaker 2: And I think the worst reason for someone to run
Speaker 2: for political office is just because they need a job.
Speaker 2: They got to be inspired to do so, and I'm
Speaker 2: not that inspired to run for a statewide office. So
Speaker 2: who knows. And we have a text here from our
Speaker 2: loyal listener, Alexa, and this is more of a public
Speaker 2: service announcement, but I have a story to go along
Speaker 2: with it, says. Colorado's eleventh annual Law Enforcement Day is Sunday,
Speaker 2: July twentieth in the Civic Center in Denver from I think,
Speaker 2: I think that's Civic Center Park in Denver from three
Speaker 2: pm to six pm. You can get more information about
Speaker 2: it at pro Police Rally dot com. And back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, during the Summer of Love, I attended that
Speaker 2: pro Police rally and several others that had occurred around
Speaker 2: the state. As you guys probably remember, that was a
Speaker 2: time where law enforcement was under attack, and so I
Speaker 2: felt it was good to go out and support the
Speaker 2: police and other jurisdictions other than just my own. And
Speaker 2: I made the decision to go down to the Civic
Speaker 2: Center Park. And you know, that was during the height
Speaker 2: of co with lockdowns and Antifa takeovers in downtown Denver
Speaker 2: and homeless people joining in with Antifa. So we set
Speaker 2: up for the rally. I went down there with a
Speaker 2: bunch of thin blue line flags and handed them out
Speaker 2: to the people that were showing up, and just as
Speaker 2: the event started, man, we were inundated with I don't
Speaker 2: know a better way to say it than folks with
Speaker 2: Antifa and Antifa monikers. And they were carrying skateboards and
Speaker 2: pots and pans and canned food and they weren't there
Speaker 2: to cook us anything or have a little skate party.
Speaker 2: They were using all those things as weapons. And the
Speaker 2: Antifa folks quickly surrounded those of us that were there
Speaker 2: for the pro police rally, while many members of the
Speaker 2: Denver SWAT Team and I don't know, like a Denver
Speaker 2: Special Response team stood by and didn't necessarily intervene. And
Speaker 2: I don't blame them, I know they had been given
Speaker 2: orders to stand down. But it got pretty heated. I
Speaker 2: think Ron mcglachlin, who's one of the organizers, got assaulted
Speaker 2: by a guy with a skateboard. Took some stitches to
Speaker 2: the head. A few other people got a little beat up,
Speaker 2: and I had to actually grab Michelle Malkin back from
Speaker 2: the crowd she was there as a guest speaker, and
Speaker 2: keep her from being assaulted and we packed her into
Speaker 2: a car along with a few others and they evacuated
Speaker 2: the area, and then most of us made our way out,
Speaker 2: and finally the Denver Denver Swat Team or the group
Speaker 2: that was there, they kind of went against orders and
Speaker 2: decided we're going to bring order back to this situation
Speaker 2: and formed a line between the Antifa protesters if you will,
Speaker 2: or antagonists and our own group and allowed everybody to
Speaker 2: get out of the venue as safely as possible. But
Speaker 2: it was ugly. I mean, it was a bad situation,
Speaker 2: not one that I hope has ever repeated, and hopefully
Speaker 2: not anything even close to what we'll see on July twentieth.
Speaker 2: All that being said, I'm going to be in Texas
Speaker 2: visiting my dad, who's a listener Dave Dreams down in Amarillo.
Speaker 2: So I won't make this particular rally, but you know,
Speaker 2: maybe one's surrounding it. And we have Kevin from Boulder
Speaker 2: calling in. He wants to comment on I think something
Speaker 2: about the parades. Kevin, are you with us?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Greeley, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: What do you got the old.
Speaker 6: Andy Griffiths show where the music group the.
Speaker 2: Darlings, Yeah, I watch it every night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the girl in that in that family is from Greeley.
Speaker 2: Oh, no kidding. I had no idea, and I've I've
Speaker 2: lived in Greeley for the Greeley area for a long time.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that's where she had come from. Do
Speaker 2: you remember her name?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't think of her name even on the show.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, she's a heck of a singer. And
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, all the Hillbillies come down and and
Speaker 2: uh she's their lead singer. Well, Kevin, thanks for that information.
Speaker 2: How was your fourth of July.
Speaker 3: Boring?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you live in Boulder, so you can't do
Speaker 2: anything over there, right.
Speaker 6: Well, I got ten cats, so oh you had.
Speaker 2: That all right? Fair enough? Well, Kevin, thanks for calling
Speaker 2: in and appreciate that information. I'm gonna look up her
Speaker 2: name just so I have it for future reference and
Speaker 2: I'll do a little digging as to her connections to
Speaker 2: this to the town of Grilly. Thanks for calling in, Kevin.
Speaker 2: Another text here, we got one from Alexa again, says
Speaker 2: Sheriff Rimes and Brocoler guy is sketchy. I'm glad he's
Speaker 2: the DA in the twenty third Judicial District. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I usually call him Jorgey, just because I don't
Speaker 2: want people to know we're actually friends. But yeah, that
Speaker 2: George guy. He is a sketchy character, but he's doing
Speaker 2: a great job. And she also says, just kidding.
Speaker 5: She likes, we got to get you two together.
Speaker 2: We go so we don't even sit together at events
Speaker 2: because it goes haywire. I mean, it's like if we
Speaker 2: were in class together, the teacher would separate us for sure.
Speaker 2: Either way, be back with you tomorrow. I want you
Speaker 2: to focus on something if you're planning on listening. What
Speaker 2: are the parts of the big beautiful Bill you love
Speaker 2: and what do you hate? We're gonna talk talk about
Speaker 2: that tomorrow here on the Dan Kapli Show six point
Speaker 2: thirty k How with Welcomey Sheriff Steve Raims as your
Speaker 2: guest host. Thanks again for listening.