Speaker 1: Using going on something like its sing at ASA's.
Speaker 2: Theory and see it sting still.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Hello, we got Buck. We got Buck
Speaker 3: in the big screen. Ladies and gentlemen, damis monsieur is
Speaker 3: welcome to Meet the Blessed, a panel show of Orthodox
Speaker 3: Christian commentators, thinkers, and creators and clergy where we get
Speaker 3: together to discuss the intersection of Orthodox Christianity, politics and culture.
Speaker 3: It's like pressed but blessed. Uh. This week we have
Speaker 3: with us a fine selection some of the finest minds
Speaker 3: we can think of I could think of and get together.
Speaker 3: Of course we have Buck Johnson, the creator and host
Speaker 3: Humble narrator, narrator and host of the Counterflow Prodcast, Jim Yatris,
Speaker 3: author of I Try to Warn You, of course, my
Speaker 3: co host on the weekly show Then and Now, which
Speaker 3: we can get a hold of on a maryon Chuck Now,
Speaker 3: and Jay Dyer, who I believe goes without no introductions
Speaker 3: needed with this panel. But gentlemen, I thank you so
Speaker 3: much for joining us. The whole concept of the show
Speaker 3: is a bit like Meet the Press, where we get
Speaker 3: to these gentlemen together to discuss politics, culture, anything that's
Speaker 3: been on their minds or anything that they've been covering
Speaker 3: on their own shows. As it relates. Buck, I'd like
Speaker 3: to start with you because you said that you have
Speaker 3: a rant already saved up, so please let the people
Speaker 3: know all about you and then get right into what
Speaker 3: you want to discuss.
Speaker 4: Do people still know about meet the Press?
Speaker 3: It's still it's still going.
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know that I want to be isn't
Speaker 4: wasn't Pat Buchannan on there.
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a boomer reference, but yeah, it
Speaker 3: is that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my favorite generation, my favorite one sitting on this
Speaker 4: panel with us. Yeah, Buck Johnson Counterflow podcast And now
Speaker 4: I was asked by Dissident Media, who is the organize
Speaker 4: organization above my show? That sort of puts it out,
Speaker 4: if you will, can you do a sub stack once
Speaker 4: a month where you write something because we we want
Speaker 4: to see you do that and not just interview people.
Speaker 4: And it's like when you lift weights and you have
Speaker 4: a weakness and your program and you're like, let me
Speaker 4: skip leg day because I'm better at these other things.
Speaker 4: And so writing was not my forte at this junction
Speaker 4: in my life. But I said, well, then if I'm
Speaker 4: not good at it, maybe I'll give it a shot.
Speaker 4: And I woke up one morning with this urge to
Speaker 4: write about something similar that you've sort of referenced, Jason
Speaker 4: many times on your show, with this mushy Christianity sort
Speaker 4: of bubbling up under the surface, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: some of that, and I came up with hot Top
Speaker 4: at Christianity. I'm pretty sure that was my spiritual father,
Speaker 4: father Turboqualls. Maybe I sent the whole thing to him
Speaker 4: and he gave me the blessing to put it out,
Speaker 4: and he didn't say, yeah, that was me, but I
Speaker 4: think it was him and Hot Topic. After I released it,
Speaker 4: I thought, now, I don't know if people get that reference,
Speaker 4: because I come from the punk rock subculture and we
Speaker 4: used to make fun of a store in the mall
Speaker 4: that was sort of corporate punk rock for the asses.
Speaker 4: I'm called hot Topic. And after the Charlie Kirk assassination,
Speaker 4: the public execution, it impacted me. I'm a firefighter for
Speaker 4: twenty seven years, and even seeing that still sort of
Speaker 4: messed with me a bit. And then you sort of
Speaker 4: have this lull afterwards and everyone's collecting their thoughts and
Speaker 4: their conspiracy theories, and you see that bounce all around,
Speaker 4: and rightfully so in a way, because they're not releasing
Speaker 4: any information that's very valid or pertinent. But then I
Speaker 4: see these people either that I follow on Twitter or
Speaker 4: that maybe show up somehow in my feed. And obviously
Speaker 4: after twenty twenty, I mean after the Biden administration, the
Speaker 4: culture started to swing right as you sort of predicted,
Speaker 4: and many others did as well. And then you start
Speaker 4: seeing people sort of switch their tune. And then it
Speaker 4: became oh my god, wake up, pray up, and these
Speaker 4: sort of like kind of bumper sticker, hot topic slogans.
Speaker 4: And I was like, why does this bother me so bad?
Speaker 4: And I talked to people that I care about and
Speaker 4: trust in my spiritual life. Basically I don't want to
Speaker 4: name names, but like, why is this bothering me? Am
Speaker 4: I being judgmental? And there's something like off putting about
Speaker 4: some of it. And I'm also not going to name
Speaker 4: names and the influencers, but we've all seen them. There's
Speaker 4: people jumping on bandwagons, and I do think a net
Speaker 4: positive from this, like massive growth, you know, we start seeing.
Speaker 4: For one, they were saying Charlie's goal was to overcrowd Heaven.
Speaker 3: And things like that.
Speaker 4: Not my style of speaking about this sort of thing,
Speaker 4: but I get it and and then oh my god,
Speaker 4: my true was full. And then it was also happening
Speaker 4: to orthodox churches after that. I've I've talked to a
Speaker 4: few priests and they said, people like myself and you
Speaker 4: Jason that came to the church during the COVID wave,
Speaker 4: they could sort of call it. Now we're in like
Speaker 4: wave part two where something's happened, and that's great. And
Speaker 4: I do think I spoke with Father Peter Here's and
Speaker 4: Father Turbo on different episodes about right after the Charlie thing.
Speaker 4: These people, they're all many of them are young. And
Speaker 4: I think the good thing about Charlie Kirk influencing a
Speaker 4: massive amount of young people was that it's some with
Speaker 4: the Internet, the age of information. As our friend Adam
Speaker 4: Patrick says, there's no excuse to not keep digging for
Speaker 4: the truth. And thank god people like Jay are out
Speaker 4: there on the Alex Jones platform and his own platform
Speaker 4: of course, and m Jim and you Jason two. So
Speaker 4: I think that there's an instinct that people will have
Speaker 4: a small segment of them. There's always like a remnant.
Speaker 4: I suppose like to keep finding and searching and searching.
Speaker 4: But there's also been this point where there's like a
Speaker 4: stopping point on social media. It's like, I'm in the church,
Speaker 4: not the church. I'm in a church. I went to church,
Speaker 4: pray up, bro, And some of that was bugging me
Speaker 4: a little bit. And I'm sort of still navigating how
Speaker 4: to not come across as judgmental and go, well, that's
Speaker 4: not a church, dude. There's like a plexiglass around the
Speaker 4: drum kit and stuff like this, And so I struggle
Speaker 4: with speaking out against that and trying to stay in
Speaker 4: my lane as a layman, basically in the Orthodox Church,
Speaker 4: and then trying to go wait, but keep searching, keep searching,
Speaker 4: because you're sort of in the mall version of Christianity,
Speaker 4: and I hope that you keep looking and not just
Speaker 4: stop here and go Man. Did Charlie Kirk and what
Speaker 4: I saw on the film of him I'm being assassinated?
Speaker 4: This really fluence me. And I'm going to my new
Speaker 4: megachurch and we are chanting and doing worship music and
Speaker 4: something about it hurts for me to see some of
Speaker 4: these things. And so my point with the hot top
Speaker 4: at Christianity is a bit of a struggle between like
Speaker 4: I don't want to be judgmental and the prick online
Speaker 4: it's like, uh, that's not right, like the all monitor.
Speaker 4: But I hope that I know they won't all because
Speaker 4: that's just not how things work. But I hope that
Speaker 4: a decent segment of the people searching that are motivated
Speaker 4: by what happened to Charlie Kirk and are finding Christ
Speaker 4: and and and sort of searching for truth can at
Speaker 4: least start looking towards this direction.
Speaker 3: Jim, any comments on that is worrying for j to
Speaker 3: get back.
Speaker 5: No, not really. I just want to pick up a
Speaker 5: little bit on the whole Charlie Kirk thing, because you know,
Speaker 5: obviously that had a big impact on a lot of people,
Speaker 5: and a lot of people on the right somehow sort
Speaker 5: of said, oh, well, now you know, you know this
Speaker 5: is our new you know, this is our bloody shirt,
Speaker 5: and you know, I think we can talk a little
Speaker 5: bit later about where we're going with that. I'd I'd
Speaker 5: rather get back to what Jay has to say first
Speaker 5: and then talk about what my initial thoughts were before
Speaker 5: we get into the back and forth as possible.
Speaker 3: But I mean, Jim, because I mean, you're the elder here,
Speaker 3: the Elder Jim jodtris you've seen you've you've been in
Speaker 3: the church for the longest on this panel, you've probably
Speaker 3: seen a little bit of the remissions and then the
Speaker 3: these surges. Right from your perspective, is this Oftentimes we
Speaker 3: hear this sort of corollary. This is sort of like
Speaker 3: almost the new Great Awakening, you know, Great Awaking two
Speaker 3: point zero. We've seen sort of revivals in the seventies
Speaker 3: and eighties. Of course that was furloughed, you know, scandals
Speaker 3: in the church, especially the Protestant denominations in the United States. Yes,
Speaker 3: this is sort of like the we'll have to see.
Speaker 3: But I think initial fears or in trepidation is that
Speaker 3: this is being a suit of almost being set up
Speaker 3: that for another version of that where we have a
Speaker 3: massive influx and it almost seems to be set up
Speaker 3: to fail in some ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if I would look at it
Speaker 5: that way. I don't think we've ever seen an influx
Speaker 5: like this. I mean, all right, let me go ahead
Speaker 5: and make a drop a couple thoughts I had in mind.
Speaker 5: You know, I sometimes think that Cleo, the Muse of History,
Speaker 5: must have accidentally hit the fast forward button, because it
Speaker 5: seems a lot of things that are going on sort
Speaker 5: of in the framework of what Jay talks about, the
Speaker 5: nexus between geopolitics and religion, whereas again very few people
Speaker 5: are aware that religion doesn't exist in this kind of
Speaker 5: ethereal sphere all by itself, nothing to do with politics,
Speaker 5: and that every political agenda of any sort has got
Speaker 5: its thumb in it somewhere or other, for better or
Speaker 5: for worse. And you know, and look, just look at
Speaker 5: what things have been happening just in the last few weeks.
Speaker 5: You've got this this ridiculous person being named the archbishop
Speaker 5: of Archbishop Best of Canterbury, and then the Nigerian Church,
Speaker 5: which by the way is bigger than the English Church
Speaker 5: and breaking breaking with it. You've got now when the
Speaker 5: Roman Catholic Church, even even the most ridiculous pig headed
Speaker 5: trad cats, are admitting that Leo is another Francis, And
Speaker 5: you know it's plain as the nose on my face.
Speaker 5: You know, you've got the gay parade coming into Saint Peter.
Speaker 5: You've got all of his horrible appointments, he's blessing the
Speaker 5: ice block and you know, and doing all that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff. You've got the statement now by the Italian
Speaker 5: bishops about you know, welping. Well, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 5: just not even funny anymore. And what they're all duced
Speaker 5: to now is well, my divorce, my contraception. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's all they've got left to try to hide in
Speaker 5: to avoid the obvious wreck. And I don't know, you know,
Speaker 5: back to what you were asking about the question, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think we're seeing a lot more Roman Catholics now,
Speaker 5: even more now than we were seeing under Francis, because
Speaker 5: I think a lot of them have given up hope that,
Speaker 5: you know, the next pope is going to come along
Speaker 5: and fix stuff. You know, now we're not free from
Speaker 5: this either. Later next month, I suppose, near the end
Speaker 5: of the month, Leo and Bartholome, you we are supposed
Speaker 5: to get to get their nicea to move along on
Speaker 5: their next step of having a common dating of the
Speaker 5: Eastern Pasca, and the next step of concocting some new
Speaker 5: version of Florence, some some new new union. And what
Speaker 5: we seeing in all of this, and not only the
Speaker 5: influx we're having into our church, but how many videos
Speaker 5: do you see out there now? Every every Roman Catholic
Speaker 5: and Protestant out there saying, oh that that Ortho thing
Speaker 5: over there, that's not for you, that's not Western. Paying
Speaker 5: no attention to that man behind the curt you know.
Speaker 5: It just it's gotten gotten absurd now. And I love
Speaker 5: these things cause you look at the comments. You see
Speaker 5: all these people saying, well, I don't know what this
Speaker 5: Ortho thing is, better go check it out, you know.
Speaker 5: So I think I think we're living in a moment
Speaker 5: in that regard. Meanwhile, on the geopolitical front, Okay, you know,
Speaker 5: war with Iran is coming again. That's not gone. And
Speaker 5: you know his twelve twelve day, big beautiful war did
Speaker 5: not solve that. And that's happening at a time when
Speaker 5: more and more Americans, except for most diehard Christian you know,
Speaker 5: idiotized Christian Zionists, are finally seeing that, yeah, we do
Speaker 5: not have the same God, We do not have the
Speaker 5: same faith as as Judaism, as Islam and anybody else.
Speaker 5: So you see that, you know, we're gonna have war
Speaker 5: with it with with the Venezuela. The American Empire is
Speaker 5: visibly faded, failing at the same time that we're we're
Speaker 5: moving toward an internal crisis. Both spiritually and not too
Speaker 5: and not too distant future, financially, economically, and and uh
Speaker 5: and uh and politically. It's it's all happening at the
Speaker 5: same time, and it's all connected and and so I
Speaker 5: think this, this moment when people are seeking refuge for
Speaker 5: something true that they could hold on to, is in
Speaker 5: a way the precipitate of all these events that are
Speaker 5: tied together, all happening at the same time.
Speaker 6: Jay, I'm trying to find I was trying to find
Speaker 6: an unmute button.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was. I was glad to I
Speaker 3: beat buck to it. Sorry that Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I was trying to beat you guys to you so
Speaker 6: you wouldn't say I'm mute. Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I was appreciative to be able to be on one
Speaker 6: of the last so far as what we think is
Speaker 6: the one of the last info Wars broadcasts to really
Speaker 6: encourage people to look at Orthodoxy as a solution. So
Speaker 6: and I tried to encourage Alex to to make the
Speaker 6: move to go check out an Orthodox church, and he said,
Speaker 6: I gotta stand up Rino. So I don't know if
Speaker 6: I don't know if you will, but you don't actually
Speaker 6: have to stand up for eight hours, but I said
Speaker 6: more like four, Alex, not eight. But yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: glad to see the surge.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I remember again, I'm not anywhere near Jim's cradle situation.
Speaker 6: But you know, in twenty sixteen seventeen, we had the
Speaker 6: first wave of guys that began to convert, and a
Speaker 6: lot of that was the Discord that we set up.
Speaker 6: And the Discord has produced quite a few fruits, I
Speaker 6: think more than people would think that early generation of guys.
Speaker 6: Most of those guys are already married, having kids, some
Speaker 6: of them are becoming deacons and priests, and some of
Speaker 6: them have already graduated from seminary Jordanville and so forth.
Speaker 6: So there's been, as you said, waves of this. I
Speaker 6: never expected this was going to happen to you know,
Speaker 6: I'm honored and thankful to the Lord to be a
Speaker 6: part of that. And I think we will see more
Speaker 6: and more waves of this. And as you pointed out,
Speaker 6: really Protestantism in Rome don't have a lot to offer,
Speaker 6: and even there open voices are kind of becoming more
Speaker 6: and more drown out because they just keep spinning their
Speaker 6: wheels because every time they try to do something. There's
Speaker 6: a massive issue, you know, with the papacy or with
Speaker 6: you know, lesbian bishops or whatever, so it's becoming more
Speaker 6: and more difficult people defend those those systems, and of
Speaker 6: course we have our problems as well, but I think
Speaker 6: when people understand the decentralized nature of Orthodoxy, it's a
Speaker 6: little more amenable to what they're looking for. And I
Speaker 6: think also it's time to resuscitate the discord because you know,
Speaker 6: it got up to about twelve thousand people in there
Speaker 6: now and I took time off from it, but I
Speaker 6: think young guys really need this, and it's time to
Speaker 6: really focus on helping young guys look in this direction.
Speaker 6: I've kind of shied away from that because I didn't
Speaker 6: really feel like I was that kind of a person
Speaker 6: to be a dude to point young guys in the
Speaker 6: in the right direction or whatever. But that it's already happened,
Speaker 6: so it's too late, So time to do it. Time
Speaker 6: to continue to work pushing young guys. You know, there
Speaker 6: is another issue too, which Jamie and I have talked
Speaker 6: a lot about and my priests as well. We learn
Speaker 6: know how to reach the young girls. We'll figure that
Speaker 6: out in one way I think you know that came
Speaker 6: up with Ludwell. Eventually, as the guys convert, the girls will,
Speaker 6: but there still needs to be some means of trying
Speaker 6: to reach those people. But you know, we've got a
Speaker 6: big conference coming up. It's not as big as lud Well,
Speaker 6: but it's We've already sold more tickets than we've sold
Speaker 6: in any event ever. And I think we're going to
Speaker 6: keep having more and more blowout Orthodox conferences that are
Speaker 6: just going to be excellent hubs that solve some of
Speaker 6: the problems. For example, one of the number one problems
Speaker 6: that comes up is guys and girls. Where do I
Speaker 6: meet a girl? Where do I meet a guy? Well,
Speaker 6: come to an Orthodox conference. It's one of one of
Speaker 6: your best bets because if you don't see an Orthodox
Speaker 6: spouse potential at a local parish, you might have to
Speaker 6: go to a conference. So I apologize we've been driving
Speaker 6: a lot monds a little bit mush, but I'm rambly,
Speaker 6: but I think, yeah, this is you know, it's all
Speaker 6: divine providence. The timing is amazing for what's happening, and
Speaker 6: I think it's just going to keep exploding. I'm very
Speaker 6: excited and as we've been saying the joke I made
Speaker 6: a long time ago. I think I made this joke
Speaker 6: in twenty seventeen. The papacy is the best of the
Speaker 6: Orthodox apologists, so they're just going to keep sending.
Speaker 3: Them our way.
Speaker 4: I'm going to that conference, Jake, if you do, you
Speaker 4: want to talk about what it is, because everyone's going
Speaker 4: to go, wait, what's you talking about?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Sorry, yeah. If you go to my Twitter or my website,
Speaker 6: there's some links there. It's the Athens in Jerusalem Conference
Speaker 6: and it's going to be a focus on Orthodox philosophy
Speaker 6: of life. So it's not philosophy in some boring technical sense,
Speaker 6: it's the philosophy of life. Metropolitan Jonah will speak, Father Vladimir,
Speaker 6: my priest will speak. He's very well tuned to the
Speaker 6: history of esthetics. He's taught art at the Florence School
Speaker 6: of Art before, so he's he's great. And he goes
Speaker 6: into imagine if Dan Brown wasn't faking gay and it
Speaker 6: was actually cool, That's what my priest does. He goes
Speaker 6: into like really good symbolic deconstructions of artwork. Uh, and
Speaker 6: he's not faking gay, He's actually real and straight. So
Speaker 6: the decoding is taught Notch and uh yeah, he's going
Speaker 6: to talk about that. I'll be talking about a derivation
Speaker 6: of what I talked about at Ludbell of something a
Speaker 6: little more precise and specific. I think my talk will
Speaker 6: be longer than the Ludwell talk. We got Father Deacon
Speaker 6: doctor Annonayas will be talking about Orthodox philosophy and epistemology.
Speaker 6: We've got my wife will be talking about the history
Speaker 6: of ancient Paganism making a return with the trans movement
Speaker 6: and whatnot. Doctor David Patrick Harry will be there. He
Speaker 6: will be speaking on his book Orthodoxy and transhuman So
Speaker 6: all of those areas will I think overlap very well.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what Metropalton Jones is going to speak on,
Speaker 6: but it'll be relevant. And that is a two day
Speaker 6: conference November twentieth and twenty first, and we're kind of
Speaker 6: almost at peak capacity, so there's probably not a few
Speaker 6: not that many more spots left, So if you do
Speaker 6: want to come, you better hurry.
Speaker 3: I'll just take a break to eventually get a chat
Speaker 3: what Georgia to.
Speaker 5: Talk to me online after the conference.
Speaker 6: I don't know what their plan is. I do think
Speaker 6: for the Vladimir is recording it he has a guy
Speaker 6: who's pretty good, the geographer, but I'm not sure what
Speaker 6: their plan is. Possibly possibly.
Speaker 3: Just briefly just for the chat. Of course, it's okay
Speaker 3: send us to your comments and questions or anything else
Speaker 3: you want to be to read out. I will do
Speaker 3: so as a super chat or send it over on
Speaker 3: a stream. Lab is usually the best way of doing it,
Speaker 3: so it avoids the YouTube haircut. The the other thing
Speaker 3: I would like to talk about, gentlemen, since we're talking
Speaker 3: about Christianity, sorry, the Roman Catholics, UH and Orthodoxy, the
Speaker 3: coming together, possibly at least in conversations. What do you
Speaker 3: guys think about the about jd Vance visiting visiting the UH,
Speaker 3: meeting with his beatitude Patriarch, Theoptopius the third in Jerusalem.
Speaker 3: I'll share this second year.
Speaker 6: Jason. I don't know if this is up to you,
Speaker 6: but you're really loud, and Jim is really really low
Speaker 6: for me, but I don't know if that's on the
Speaker 6: stream as well or just on here.
Speaker 5: Oh cluck louder.
Speaker 3: Scream at me.
Speaker 4: The proximity of to the mic, it was quite quite.
Speaker 5: Closer.
Speaker 3: How's that get closer? There we go, Jim H. So
Speaker 3: this is from the Orthodox. It sounds a bit better. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 3: this is from the Orthodox Christianity. Post Patriarch Jerusalem receives
Speaker 3: JD vance VP vans At at Holy Sepulature. This is
Speaker 3: of course, when JD was visiting Israel, which finds I
Speaker 3: find it interesting he kind of, as far as I know,
Speaker 3: did not go to the Wall, did not get the
Speaker 3: photog photograph of the wall. Instead went to the Holy
Speaker 3: uh Sepulture to meet with the Orthodox, with the Orthodox
Speaker 3: priests there.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: This is not the first time this has been happening.
Speaker 3: Of course, we have Bartholomew meeting with sim of this,
Speaker 3: Bartholomew meeting with Trump at the White House a few
Speaker 3: months ago. So of course we brought up the the
Speaker 3: possibility of e communism. This is where Jim corrects me
Speaker 3: on how I pronounce things, So please, Jim, don't hold back.
Speaker 3: We have that sort of possible possibility of the meeting
Speaker 3: of the minds, let's say. And of course there's been
Speaker 3: some sort of talk about possible schisms with ROCORP, the
Speaker 3: Russian Orthodoxy, Russian Orthodox churches. Any thoughts on that, gentleman,
Speaker 3: as we're seem to have these things kind of come
Speaker 3: into focal point. What are your general thoughts of having
Speaker 3: a Roman Catholic as possible the next president of the
Speaker 3: United States.
Speaker 4: I'll defer to Jim for sure on this.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's start with I don't know what's
Speaker 5: going to happen between Patriarch Bartholomew and Pope Leo. This
Speaker 5: very well could turn into a dud like Create twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: where they have big plans, and maybe the pope it
Speaker 5: changes the dating of the Easter for the Roman Catholics
Speaker 5: because obviously Bartholme you can't do anything about how the
Speaker 5: Orthodox calculated Pasca. So if anybody's going to make a change,
Speaker 5: it has to be Leo. The bigger question is, even
Speaker 5: if they do that, even if Leo says, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: from now on, we're going to use the Orthodox reckoning
Speaker 5: of Easter, where does that get them that? How do
Speaker 5: they move the ball forward after that? And even if
Speaker 5: they try, okay, they they've got the template, it's you know,
Speaker 5: it will be exactly like Florence. They've got this new
Speaker 5: document out study document from the papacy about the different
Speaker 5: kinds of roles that the papacy plays. You know, he's
Speaker 5: the Bishop of Rome. He's the patriarch of the West,
Speaker 5: he's the supreme teacher of all Christians, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: And I think they're setting this up to say, Okay,
Speaker 5: how much pop do you want? We can accommodate anything
Speaker 5: you want. You want one hundred percent Pope. You could
Speaker 5: be a Roman Catholic. That's great. You only want eighty percent.
Speaker 5: You only want first among equals. Hey, we can handle
Speaker 5: that too. The orthonox can have first among equals if
Speaker 5: they want. Well, you only want forty five percent Pope.
Speaker 5: You're a Protestant, just the biggest denomination. No problem, we
Speaker 5: can do that too. Oh you're a Hindu, you only
Speaker 5: want twenty percent of Pope. Hey, we can do that too.
Speaker 5: And of course they've got this big syncretic thing going
Speaker 5: on at the Vatican, so I think there's an agenda there.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure they're going to be able to move
Speaker 5: it along. I think again, the bigger question I have
Speaker 5: in mind is where does this fit into the agendas
Speaker 5: of all the string pullers in the geopolitical world. I mean,
Speaker 5: we know, for example, that you know, the CIA, as
Speaker 5: Jays talked about, has had their hooks into the Vatican,
Speaker 5: you know, since deep into the Cold War, and the
Speaker 5: same thing happened with the Fanar in nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 5: If if JD vance and look, I'll give him the
Speaker 5: bet of the doubt. If he's a very very pious
Speaker 5: Roman Catholic, very sincere, he goes to the Holy Suppulcher
Speaker 5: instead of to the wall, that's great. But also you
Speaker 5: think about Peter Tiel Pallaunteer.
Speaker 3: You know, what are the.
Speaker 5: Political strings being pulled behind the scenes out of the
Speaker 5: best of circumstances. I'm not saying we can bastically figure
Speaker 5: all this out, but I think we need to be
Speaker 5: aware that there's more there than meets the eye.
Speaker 3: Buck.
Speaker 4: I actually want to defer to Jay because I have thoughts.
Speaker 4: There's people in the comments that talk about JD's wife
Speaker 4: and all these things, and it just keeps making me think,
Speaker 4: focus on yourself, not someone else's wife. But I want
Speaker 4: to let Jay speak on this too.
Speaker 3: Well, just to throw it to Jay, because if you
Speaker 3: know your last appearance on Alex Jones, you brought up
Speaker 3: the Changing Images of Man book, which I download a PDF,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people have reached out
Speaker 3: in my comments and said they did the same thing,
Speaker 3: and just from your cursory what you've laid out on
Speaker 3: his show, it was like, ah, there it is right.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of the things that I've been talking
Speaker 3: on the show and many others. We've been talking about
Speaker 3: the edges because it seems like we're getting this sort
Speaker 3: of transmission and we're trying to figure out what's coming
Speaker 3: through the news, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 3: bring this up and it's like, well, there it is, right,
Speaker 3: Like there's the foundations and this is kind of what
Speaker 3: we're picking up. It's not we're starting to see the
Speaker 3: plan come into fruition. So maybe you can talk about
Speaker 3: that a little bit, Jay, because that seems to be
Speaker 3: this intersection between not only just Roman Catholic religion all
Speaker 3: the rest of it, but with this sort of technocratic
Speaker 3: plan that's certainly Elon Musk, Peter, theeld jd Vance, the
Speaker 3: PayPal mafia, that whole connection is starting to come into focus,
Speaker 3: I think a bit more well.
Speaker 6: On the issue of the ep in Rome. Some clergy
Speaker 6: have reached out to me, and this is not confirmed,
Speaker 6: but they have heard that there's already been communion, so
Speaker 6: they've already participated at the ep in some form of
Speaker 6: communion together with Roman Catholics in terms of the Eucharist,
Speaker 6: but again that's not confirmed. But the thesis from a
Speaker 6: very prominent priest that was explaining this to me was
Speaker 6: that they may just essentially in line with what Jim
Speaker 6: was saying. And I remember that I read that papal
Speaker 6: document and did a podcast on it. The one that
Speaker 6: can kind of offers like it's like sales options, like
Speaker 6: you can get the full PayPal package you want the
Speaker 6: you know, discount papal package that's eighty percent papacy, and
Speaker 6: then the economy package of papacy which is forty percent.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that the thesis, and this seems plausible to me,
Speaker 6: is that they're going to basically already start communing and
Speaker 6: doing it and then announce it's already happened. We've already
Speaker 6: entered into a union of some sort, so just get
Speaker 6: over it. That's his thesis, and he's a very wise,
Speaker 6: perceptive priest that told me that arch priest. So that
Speaker 6: seems to be in line with the sort of subtle,
Speaker 6: subversive ways that they go about these things, because they're
Speaker 6: not going to attempt a union on the basis of
Speaker 6: truth it's got to be a union on the basis
Speaker 6: of these sort of Hegelian ideas like diapraxis or these
Speaker 6: where you sort of dialogue to some future, unknown synthesis conclusion.
Speaker 6: There's not a right or wrong, it's we're all on
Speaker 6: a journey to come to the future unified church. That
Speaker 6: kind of underlies all the acumenist stuff is the sort
Speaker 6: of Hegelian process philosophy, and so that's what they're committed to,
Speaker 6: and they're just going to act like there was a
Speaker 6: union and anyone who's questioning it or rejecting it as
Speaker 6: divisive and a problem. So that's probably what they're going
Speaker 6: to do, because as we know, they're really not doing
Speaker 6: this on the basis of theologies. It's geopolitical power moves
Speaker 6: that are the basis of it. I don't know what
Speaker 6: to make of Vance, and I've never I've not really
Speaker 6: followed much of JD.
Speaker 3: Vance.
Speaker 6: I know all the you know, sort of Peter Thiel
Speaker 6: and Christian nationalism connections, and I'm familiar with all that,
Speaker 6: but politics pretty boring to me. I guess I'm gonna
Speaker 6: have to talk about it, though, because everybody talks about politics,
Speaker 6: it's the religion of America next to football, but then
Speaker 6: to get the changing image as a man. So I
Speaker 6: don't ramble too much. Yeah, this was the interesting text
Speaker 6: that's It's been around kind of in the conspiracy alternative
Speaker 6: media research world for a long time. I first heard
Speaker 6: about this in the two thousands, and it was a
Speaker 6: really long, boring PDF. And I hate PDFs. I absolutely
Speaker 6: despise them. I refuse to read long PDFs. I will
Speaker 6: go and have them printed out at the print shop
Speaker 6: because I just will not read a PDF. And this
Speaker 6: book has been out of print and just almost impossible
Speaker 6: to get. And then lo and behold, a young college
Speaker 6: man sends me this two thousand dollars book which you
Speaker 6: cannot find anywhere. I guess he found that at probably
Speaker 6: I think a discarded library book sale. And I don't
Speaker 6: think that this was sent as an active book because
Speaker 6: like in circulation. Because my university essentially got rid of
Speaker 6: all their books, which blew me away. I went to
Speaker 6: check out the library not too long ago, and it
Speaker 6: was a really awesome library in Murray State ten years ago,
Speaker 6: and now it's they've cleared out probably seventy percent of
Speaker 6: the books and all are There's one little, tiny Marxist section.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 6: So all that's necessary, I guess, is just Marxism. It's
Speaker 6: a foregone conclusion that we just were all going to
Speaker 6: be Marxist in the future anyway. But this is one
Speaker 6: of those elite textbooks that seems to be you know,
Speaker 6: it's a Stanford Research policy text, system Science and World Order,
Speaker 6: Explorations of World Order. It's put together by people like
Speaker 6: Joseph Campbell Ow Markley, people from the CIA, people from
Speaker 6: you know, Harvard, all these different elite universities, Ivy League schools,
Speaker 6: and it kind of presents what they think is the
Speaker 6: way to socially engineer America a certain in nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 6: to get to the technocratic future. And so a lot
Speaker 6: more of the book dealt with the religion of the
Speaker 6: future than I expected. You could look at this as
Speaker 6: I'm sure everybody's familiar with Father Seraph and Rose's book
Speaker 6: Orthodox in their Religion in the Future. Well, that religion
Speaker 6: the future part is this, This is it. This is
Speaker 6: from the top of the establishment. This is what you know,
Speaker 6: people like Kissinger, you know that at that level would
Speaker 6: be reading this kind of a text. A lot of
Speaker 6: the same people from the Frankfurt School, a lot of
Speaker 6: people involved in esoteric and occult studies at Stanford Research.
Speaker 6: That might sound a little out there, but that's what
Speaker 6: this book is about. So as with most of these texts,
Speaker 6: with the idea of oh, we're all in a crisis,
Speaker 6: a crisis, a crisis overpopulation, nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3: What are we going to do?
Speaker 6: Oh, well, I guess we're going to have to institute
Speaker 6: a technocratic socialist policy where we dumb everybody down and
Speaker 6: create a post industrial world. Well, how do we get
Speaker 6: to a post industrial world when you still have a
Speaker 6: lot of people, even in the early eighties who were
Speaker 6: in some sense Christian or had some notion of you know,
Speaker 6: Western civilization based ideas, And so the book is essentially
Speaker 6: about that, cultivating new archetypes to program both the conscious
Speaker 6: and the subconscious mind. And that's actually what it says,
Speaker 6: to bring them into some future incote new religion that
Speaker 6: could be crafted by the priests class and the scientific
Speaker 6: the scientism class. And so it goes very in depth,
Speaker 6: way more in depth than I expected, in fact, into
Speaker 6: worldview warfare, into presuppositional worldview foundations.
Speaker 3: I did not expect that to be there.
Speaker 6: Thomas Kuhne structure designed to revolution all of that plays
Speaker 6: a heavy role, and just to kind of bring it
Speaker 6: full circle and all shut up is there's actually chapters
Speaker 6: on LSD psychedelics, float tanks, and contacting entities as part
Speaker 6: of spiritual enlightenment, aliens, all of that's part of this.
Speaker 6: And they there's basically two chapters that does nothing but
Speaker 6: site mk ultroductors. So it's John C. Lilly, it's Jose Dolgado,
Speaker 6: Carl Young. I mean he's not necessarily well he is
Speaker 6: actually kind of an mk ultroductor.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what it is.
Speaker 6: And then it kind of culminates. I'm just giving the
Speaker 6: overview culminates and basically saying that, well, the religion in
Speaker 6: the future will be a perennialist religion kind of what
Speaker 6: Alda Suxey wrote in his book Perennialism, and it'll be
Speaker 6: some kind of something like imagine Joe Rogan as a
Speaker 6: techno shaman.
Speaker 3: That's the future, that's the religion of the future. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's interesting now seeing people react to the psychedelic intrusions
Speaker 3: or the gateways. Now it's it's finally kind of getting
Speaker 3: a little bit of traction. I think that the mainstreaming
Speaker 3: of demons has been a really interesting thing this year,
Speaker 3: where suddenly everyone's just talking about demons, and even the
Speaker 3: left are reacting to it, like what the right wing's
Speaker 3: talking about demons? Now We're like, yes, we're talking about demons.
Speaker 3: And I think the Charlie Kirk assassination kind of put
Speaker 3: that in the in the forefront, and of course then
Speaker 3: calling into question about DMT.
Speaker 6: Here's a chart and right there, Contacting entities is very
Speaker 6: crucial to this process higher levels of awareness, functioning, meta programs,
Speaker 6: transcendence of time and space, et cetera, contact with the
Speaker 6: spiritual entities.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want to do with how
Speaker 3: you this? We see what you guys do with this?
Speaker 3: Because of course we know from the Orthodox traditions that
Speaker 3: gifts of clairvoyance and uh, you know, other other miracles,
Speaker 3: let's say, other gifts are I wouldn't say common, but
Speaker 3: they're they're certainly not rare within the within within monasteries
Speaker 3: and within a certain saints. This seems to be like
Speaker 3: what you're detailing here, Jay, is that they're aware of this,
Speaker 3: but they think it's biological, like they think it's somehow
Speaker 3: in here and they're trying to biohacket to get to
Speaker 3: hear they don't really want to believe in the hole.
Speaker 3: It comes from God and only comes from God. Therefore
Speaker 3: there must be some sort of biological hacks.
Speaker 6: Well, actually, this this text is not an atheistic text
Speaker 6: at all. In fact, that relies heavily on Hinduism. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of bagavad gitas right references, citations, and so
Speaker 6: God is the within, God is all things. It says
Speaker 6: that multiple times. And so they do believe in and
Speaker 6: sort of contacting higher realms. But that's the realm of
Speaker 6: you know, Atman and Brahman and all that stuff. That's
Speaker 6: what they actually say, which is very prescient in terms
Speaker 6: of what Father surfm Rose said, because he said Hinduism
Speaker 6: is really crucial to the religion of the future, and
Speaker 6: maybe that's why they bring so many Hindus into the West.
Speaker 4: There's sort of a groundwork too, if you can make
Speaker 4: a synergy synergistic effect between like if you take the
Speaker 4: hot top at Christianity and the ecumenism of Look, this
Speaker 4: martyr was publicly executed. We're all coming to the church,
Speaker 4: We're all coming to Jesus. At this point, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 4: you know, how you get there. I'm this that, I'm that.
Speaker 4: You guys have your thing, but we're all coming there
Speaker 4: at the same time. When a massive portion of the
Speaker 4: female population is looking into I'm spiritual not religious and
Speaker 4: doing birth chart readings or or you know, psychic blah
Speaker 4: blah blah New Age stuff and sort of that can
Speaker 4: flow into the same thing. And then the men on
Speaker 4: the Joe Rogan side and Aaron Rodgers the quarterback, and
Speaker 4: these sort of alpha males that we may look up
Speaker 4: to are going like, well, dude, I took this DMT
Speaker 4: trip and I did this, and I contacted these spirits.
Speaker 4: This is a spiritual age. You guys like the New
Speaker 4: atheists or a joke. At this point, they're gone, this
Speaker 4: is a spiritual age. And so you've got this culmination
Speaker 4: of like the female perspective of like reading tarot cars
Speaker 4: and finding psychics and Eastern mysticism, and the males doing like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm doing DMT like Rogan and these badass dudes alpha's
Speaker 4: And then Charlie Kirk gets murdered, and we're also going
Speaker 4: to all kinds of churches, and that's how we find
Speaker 4: the afterlife and that's what's important. That's what Charlie wanted, guys.
Speaker 4: And then here we are at this sort of like
Speaker 4: still what seems to be in relation to the rest
Speaker 4: of it, like fringe, even though we're grow going for sure,
Speaker 4: and some of that worries me, like that that dichotomy
Speaker 4: of like we're in the church and all of these
Speaker 4: things are going around. It's not atheists per se, but
Speaker 4: it's certainly spiritual and it seems negative in my thoughts.
Speaker 3: I think brief just briefly before we get to comments
Speaker 3: from Jay or Jim, it seems to me that it's
Speaker 3: it's directional, so it's a lot of people going into
Speaker 3: the church. And this is kind of my prediction of
Speaker 3: the Neotroads kind of mush Christianity, is that people are
Speaker 3: what they really want is redemption, but they'll settle for
Speaker 3: forgiveness and what they're trying to take from things. They're
Speaker 3: going to the church to get something from it, but
Speaker 3: not realize that you have to give, you have to
Speaker 3: give to get, and I think that's where they're gonna
Speaker 3: get get it sort of screwed up there in that
Speaker 3: sort of what mush Christianity will present for its present
Speaker 3: to them is sort of like everyone's we're all one,
Speaker 3: and you can get forgiveness and you can get some
Speaker 3: sort of community and all the rest of it, and
Speaker 3: you don't have to do anything. You just have to
Speaker 3: show up to church and maybe read the book and
Speaker 3: become really annoying at saying blessing that before dinner, just.
Speaker 4: Like the left has done for the past since I've
Speaker 4: been into politics. You don't have to do anything. But
Speaker 4: if you say I have a black square on my profile,
Speaker 4: I'm look at me, I have a bumper sticker slogan,
Speaker 4: I'm doing something. It's like the meme like I'm doing
Speaker 4: a thing or whatever, and it's like yeah. And so
Speaker 4: if the culture swings right and some of those people
Speaker 4: swing this way and they're like, well, now here's my
Speaker 4: picture in front of a neon sign at my church. Again,
Speaker 4: I really hate sometimes speaking out about this because I
Speaker 4: don't want to sound judgmental. It's more that I'm lying
Speaker 4: caution out there, like just these are traps and just
Speaker 4: because it seems spiritual or holy or involved in a
Speaker 4: church does not mean that it's necessarily like the demons
Speaker 4: aren't just like feeding you some suggestions out there to do.
Speaker 3: Jim.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly right. I mean, look, I mean,
Speaker 5: how do I put this. I think so much of
Speaker 5: what's going on now in most people's minds, you know,
Speaker 5: if you know basically this sort of normy right left stuff,
Speaker 5: you know, it's all about Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives.
Speaker 5: The culture is swinging right. I don't think it's quite
Speaker 5: that simple. Okay, you find you got the you know,
Speaker 5: the septum ring blue haired people on the other side
Speaker 5: and people who on at least quote our side, are
Speaker 5: superficially more normal. But I'm afraid that a lot of
Speaker 5: this is just a manipulation by different wings of the
Speaker 5: same ruling establishment that one way or the other they want.
Speaker 5: It's kind of you might call it political, but for
Speaker 5: any perennialism, we're getting to the same place anyway, and
Speaker 5: except it'll be conservative values, will be conservative control mechanism
Speaker 5: rather than you know, the woke you know, Skittles colored one,
Speaker 5: which won't be going away either. I mean, I I
Speaker 5: just and by the way, I think this also is
Speaker 5: going to possibly manifest itself in the Church, especially if
Speaker 5: there is some kind of a creeping union with Rome,
Speaker 5: given the kind of politics we have. You know, which
Speaker 5: which Orthodoxy are you Greek creation, you know it would
Speaker 5: have been Moscow and Constantinople. Is that Yeah, I could
Speaker 5: even see a circumstance where there's the good Orthodox Church
Speaker 5: that fits in with all the new values and the
Speaker 5: new political agenda that answers to the US government and
Speaker 5: the bad Orthodox who are all a bunch of Russian bots.
Speaker 5: Uh and uh, you know there could be consequences for that.
Speaker 5: So I always I don't think we can take any
Speaker 5: necessity face value. By the way, the other thing is
Speaker 5: it strikes me too, you know, during the Kouth and
Speaker 5: obviously climate changing a lot, we believe the science, trust
Speaker 5: the science. I think that's so passe. I mean, none
Speaker 5: of that is real anymore. I mean, you know, for example,
Speaker 5: now that you know the evolution basically is not even
Speaker 5: viable anymore, they've resorted to magic, you know, multi verses.
Speaker 5: So it's all past rationalism and science as we knew
Speaker 5: it'd say, in the nineteenth century, and they're basically engaging
Speaker 5: in magic. And that's where you also get the religion
Speaker 5: of the future coming into this. And and by the way,
Speaker 5: there is a real power there. I mean, remember when
Speaker 5: Moses was turning a staff into a serpent, and well,
Speaker 5: Janis and jambra Is, the magicians of Egypt, they could
Speaker 5: do the same things, except they did it through the
Speaker 5: dark arts rather than through the power of God. So
Speaker 5: let's not kid ourselves that there is a real spiritual
Speaker 5: presence out there. One footnote, by the way, because they're dressed,
Speaker 5: is one in the chat. If there is some kind
Speaker 5: of a union of Rome, remember from the Roman Catholic
Speaker 5: point of view, we already are in communion with that.
Speaker 5: You know, you go to a Catholic chur you look
Speaker 5: at the missile there. It says Orthodox can receive communion
Speaker 5: there if it's in keeping with the discipline of their
Speaker 5: own church, which by the way, it's not. But from
Speaker 5: their point of view, unity means submission to Rome. It
Speaker 5: doesn't mean eucharistic unity, unity of faith, somatic union, unity
Speaker 5: through through the Eucharist, the sacraments in the common faith,
Speaker 5: for which for us community is the culmination of that unity.
Speaker 5: For them, it's a mean unity. So for them to
Speaker 5: invite us to communion, for Orthodox bishops or patriarchs to
Speaker 5: communion with them, that's perfectly in keeping with with Rome's theology,
Speaker 5: and as long as we're willing to do that, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think Jay's right. We could find ourselves easy easily
Speaker 5: creeping in to that kind of unity unity. I guess
Speaker 5: the question is when it becomes public. That's where it
Speaker 5: puts the other autocephalist churches on on on the spot.
Speaker 5: Because of say barthol Uses I am now communing with
Speaker 5: Pope Leo. The other the other churches really then have
Speaker 5: to decide. They'll either have to decide I'm going to
Speaker 5: keep communion with marthol Umu, which even if they don't
Speaker 5: themselves directly commune with the papacy, means that they're inconvenient
Speaker 5: with Rome, or at some point they have to say no,
Speaker 5: I guess I have to break communion with Constantinople like
Speaker 5: they did after Floor Prince in fourteen thirty nine. So
Speaker 5: I don't think. I think they can try to play
Speaker 5: the sneaky route up to a certain point. But once
Speaker 5: they reach a certain point, people are going to have
Speaker 5: to stand up and be counted and the house will divide,
Speaker 5: and I think it'll be a very ugly schizm.
Speaker 3: Jay, I'd like to hear your thoughts on that before
Speaker 3: Just to add on a little bit with this game.
Speaker 3: Going back to your Alex Jones appearance. One thing that
Speaker 3: you mentioned that I actually literally fist pumped about two
Speaker 3: or three times, because it's something that I've been trying
Speaker 3: to drill into people's heads, especially about the tiny hats
Speaker 3: and how people are being overly focused on the tiny hats,
Speaker 3: and I think Nick Fuentes and a few other people
Speaker 3: kind of play their role on that, And what I've
Speaker 3: been trying to say to people repeatedly is that yes,
Speaker 3: they play a role there, there are there. You know,
Speaker 3: we can we can certainly discuss them and Zionism and
Speaker 3: all the rest of it, but it's not just them.
Speaker 3: That this thing is much bigger and much more complicated
Speaker 3: and involves a lot more people than just one group
Speaker 3: of people out in the out in the in the
Speaker 3: Middle East or in the city of London or the
Speaker 3: rest of it. So thank you for that, And I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe you could add a little bit of
Speaker 3: that and with with with a response to Jim, well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for us it's it's it's Orthodoxy first, uh,
Speaker 6: not America first, and you know, we can have America second.
Speaker 6: Something like that if you're really you know, politically savvy,
Speaker 6: and you're into that, but I don't think for any
Speaker 6: of us we would ever make the political first. And
Speaker 6: that's really I think it echoes the attitude of Rome
Speaker 6: as well. Rome is actually politics first, it's actually power first.
Speaker 6: That was the whole ethos of Rome, back to Gregory
Speaker 6: the seventh and Dick Tatus Pape in those eleventh century
Speaker 6: reforms prepared the way for a entirely essentially political papacy
Speaker 6: that we've had for a thousand years, all the way
Speaker 6: up till now. And once you understand that, it all
Speaker 6: kind of makes sense. So I don't know what, you know,
Speaker 6: what's going to come out of that. I think Jim's
Speaker 6: right that a covert union is just kind of done
Speaker 6: in the background to wait, to kind of circumvent people,
Speaker 6: sort of throwing a curveball in surprise, a bait and switch.
Speaker 6: Oh sorry, were you already in communion with Rome? Be
Speaker 6: sure you want to leave? You're already in commune with Rome.
Speaker 6: So they will announce it, but you know how that'll
Speaker 6: come about. We don't know or when that will happen,
Speaker 6: but they probably won't make that move until they feel like,
Speaker 6: you know, there's enough supporters behind it, and people like
Speaker 6: myself or any other people, the voices that are out
Speaker 6: there have to be just constantly demonized, and like Jim said,
Speaker 6: there will be consequences for that eventually, because they're just
Speaker 6: going to say, oh, you all work for Putin. I mean,
Speaker 6: just this week, after that Alex Jones appearance, you know,
Speaker 6: there's quite a bit of a you know, pro NATO,
Speaker 6: pro tiny mustache man contingent across Twitter that was precisely
Speaker 6: saying that we know Dier is an FSB agent and
Speaker 6: all this nonsense. So that's already you know, they've already
Speaker 6: been saying that kind of stuff in the far right,
Speaker 6: you know, or what I call the gay right, which
Speaker 6: is like the NATO Ukraine sort of the gay right.
Speaker 6: The gay right is you know, already kind of a
Speaker 6: captured entity, some of the sort of neo not you know,
Speaker 6: the neo tiny mustache man people on Twitter, not all
Speaker 6: the tradecats, because there's a lot of tradcats that are
Speaker 6: not part of a gay right per se openly. But
Speaker 6: so yeah, I don't know what where that's going to go,
Speaker 6: but it'll probably lead to persecution. I mean, that's probably
Speaker 6: where we're headed, and that'll be another winnowing fan to
Speaker 6: you know, separate week from chaff because a lot of
Speaker 6: people were converting in twenty twenty and then we got
Speaker 6: the KUP and that drove a lot of people away.
Speaker 6: A lot of people had a very hard time converting
Speaker 6: during that time period. I had a hard time finding
Speaker 6: churches that even wanted converts. So, you know, we have
Speaker 6: a two pronged attack. If if we had faithful bishops
Speaker 6: and clergy across the board, we could actually win this
Speaker 6: whole cultural work. We would dominate. I mean, we've only
Speaker 6: seen an inkling of what could happen. But if we
Speaker 6: put politics and Americanism and all this kind of nonsense first,
Speaker 6: then Jesus says, you will be You'll be trampled upon.
Speaker 6: So you can either have the upper hand and dominate
Speaker 6: the culture and Orthodoxy will dominate the culture of people
Speaker 6: believe it and keep it, or it'll be trodden under
Speaker 6: and you suffer the you know, potential loss of your
Speaker 6: lamp stand as relation two and threesa as the covenant
Speaker 6: curses come upon you when you say, oh, you know,
Speaker 6: we're going to put Americanism first. I've met so many
Speaker 6: you know, OCA domain people that not all and there's
Speaker 6: many great OCA priests and people, but many of them
Speaker 6: actually believe America comes first in the sense of like liberalism.
Speaker 6: They'll commune the tier, the trands, the gay, the all
Speaker 6: of that. All they'll do that before anything else. So
Speaker 6: that's for them, that's.
Speaker 4: First.
Speaker 6: It's like America first, politics first, gay first?
Speaker 3: Right, is it?
Speaker 6: What about orthodoxy first?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think some of the stuff that gets my eye
Speaker 4: up maybe about the somewhat positive reaction again to Kirk's
Speaker 4: public execution, is it sort of gets funneled griptors take
Speaker 4: advantage of this energy and funnel it into their own things.
Speaker 4: And it's like, yes, he was America first.
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I never really, to be honest, listened to Charlie Kirk
Speaker 4: aware of him now, of course I was aware of him.
Speaker 4: Then again, I would not want to see anyone, even
Speaker 4: Rachel Maddow done that way publicly, but the instinct and
Speaker 4: I had to get over this myself. I was an atheist,
Speaker 4: I was an n CAP A libertarian before I was Orthodox,
Speaker 4: and I sort of had the weird experience to make
Speaker 4: this transition publicly over a podcast. And you have to
Speaker 4: quit worrying if you were in the mindset that I
Speaker 4: was in, what's going to save America? Because if you're Orthodox,
Speaker 4: that that's the beginning, that's everything, that's the worldview, that's
Speaker 4: how that's us. And to worry about, well, now I'm American, dude, Like,
Speaker 4: who's going to be the best for this country? How
Speaker 4: can liberty prevail? All of these things that I concern
Speaker 4: myself with that all comes and goes, and when you're
Speaker 4: on your deathbed, you're not going to be like, man,
Speaker 4: I wish that one senator would have been elected because
Speaker 4: we drug laws would have been this or that. It's
Speaker 4: like empires come and go. I don't know where ours
Speaker 4: is in the in the grand scheme of things, but
Speaker 4: I do know the Orthodox Church has been here since
Speaker 4: the beginning. And so I've tried to put my lust
Speaker 4: for talking about politics. I'm still fascinated with it. It's
Speaker 4: still going to be a guilty pleasure of mine, but man,
Speaker 4: that's not very important. And the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 4: even if things go to shit and my pension goes
Speaker 4: poorly with the fire department and whatnot, like I have
Speaker 4: the Orthodox Church, and so I'm trying to put out
Speaker 4: there like quit worrying. So much about like, man, if
Speaker 4: all we have, we at least need public debates on
Speaker 4: which who has the best ideas and freedom of speech.
Speaker 4: I don't even the term freedom of speech. The old
Speaker 4: me is cringing right now. But even that sort of
Speaker 4: makes me turned off. Now I would put out there
Speaker 4: just be careful being so obsessed with politics that you're
Speaker 4: worried about everything Trump does, everything, he says, everything his
Speaker 4: detractors say, because you're getting lost in this weird sauce
Speaker 4: of things that aren't necessarily important when the church is
Speaker 4: the foundation of everything that we believe and has been
Speaker 4: here since the beginning and will outlive America. You know,
Speaker 4: if this if we're around, if this planet's around for
Speaker 4: another thousand years, there's things won't even look the same,
Speaker 4: but the Church will be the same for a fact.
Speaker 4: And so I'm trying to put that out there too.
Speaker 4: And this sort of fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination,
Speaker 4: it's like, well, we're all America. First, we found Christ,
Speaker 4: We're going to church. It's like, Okay, what direction are
Speaker 4: you headed in with this? Is it like so you
Speaker 4: can be on the political right and we can get
Speaker 4: some wins here, or is it that you like, take
Speaker 4: this sort of garb off yourself and face how shitty
Speaker 4: of a person you are, like we all are, and like,
Speaker 4: now focus on me, and what does this mean for myself,
Speaker 4: my family, my future, not necessarily like who gets elected next.
Speaker 6: In Hagi won the Israelites are chastised because they're concerned
Speaker 6: with their economics, they're concerned with politics. And the House
Speaker 6: of the Temple is in ruins, it's falling apart, and
Speaker 6: God says, why have you not put my house first?
Speaker 6: You put all your other business affairs first, And that's
Speaker 6: why he says. You put your savings into a bag,
Speaker 6: and the bag stays empty. So it's that money was inflating.
Speaker 6: That's what I think that means. So you're losing your money.
Speaker 6: You're working for this stuff that's not it's not working.
Speaker 3: And why is that?
Speaker 6: Well, you've got the wrong things first, right, seek first
Speaker 6: the Kingdom of God, and these other things will be added.
Speaker 6: So the Roman Empire wasn't conquered by the first and
Speaker 6: second century Christians being tactical and trying to find all
Speaker 6: the senators and to convert the Roman emperor and all
Speaker 6: this kind of stuff like that came in time when
Speaker 6: you know it's spread through the empire. So I just
Speaker 6: think it's wrong headed. And also, as I'm sure Jim
Speaker 6: knows better the name of us, he's been in the
Speaker 6: world of politics. You know, it's all about lobbying and
Speaker 6: all that. I mean, you don't really have a lot
Speaker 6: of effect in politics if you don't have a lot
Speaker 6: of money. I mean, that's my sense of politics. It's
Speaker 6: a rich man's game unless you're Larry Ellison and Elon
Speaker 6: and all these billionaires. I mean, politics is kind of
Speaker 6: unless it's local. It's interesting, but it's not a whole
Speaker 6: lot different than watching soap opros to me, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's not and there's not much you can
Speaker 5: do about it. I mean, let's face it, most of
Speaker 5: what's happening and is going to have but it's baked
Speaker 5: into the cake. And of course this is where I
Speaker 5: think even a lot of Normies are getting aware that
Speaker 5: this whole democratic thing and voting is it's a dead end.
Speaker 5: It's not going to fix anything.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: And it is a temptation too for people becoming Orthodox.
Speaker 5: You know, they think it's the Basodox church. You know
Speaker 5: that somehow, because I'm conservative, I reject all the rainbow
Speaker 5: and the and the tr any stuff. Well, this is
Speaker 5: the church of being based and it's not about based
Speaker 5: politics either. I mean, obviously, at least from why I
Speaker 5: understand everything. I understand that, yeah, there's certain social pathologies
Speaker 5: that are inherent in left wing politics that are not
Speaker 5: compatible with orthodoxy. But this is not about politics. And
Speaker 5: I think a lot of a lot of guys, especially
Speaker 5: young men, coming in, I think part of it is
Speaker 5: an attractions that, yeah, the world these people are well,
Speaker 5: it ain't it ain't that either, And you know, and
Speaker 5: back to the bigger question of what's happening around is
Speaker 5: right now? You know, I do get a little worried that,
Speaker 5: you know, this division now, you know, Charlie Kirk is
Speaker 5: going to be the I don't know, the bloody shirt,
Speaker 5: the horsed vessel of the American right now that that
Speaker 5: you know, this polarization between you know, Orange Hitler and
Speaker 5: Cheetah Messiah, between the Trump Trump derangement syndrome and the
Speaker 5: Trump worship syndrome is becoming itself a great object of
Speaker 5: manipulation for much bigger interest than just right or left,
Speaker 5: which you know, I mean, I one one thing I
Speaker 5: just drives me crazy crazy about boomers is that so
Speaker 5: many of them their entire awareness of America is simply
Speaker 5: Republicans and Democrats. Yes, as though that were that were
Speaker 5: significant difference in this country other than just kind of
Speaker 5: a mechanical thing you have to be aware of, but
Speaker 5: it's not really what it's all about.
Speaker 4: Yes, and the Constitution, which is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we used to have.
Speaker 5: We used to we used to have one of those ones,
Speaker 5: did we.
Speaker 3: It's a sacred document. I mean, it's it's where all
Speaker 3: the rights are. It's it's amazing. You just wave it
Speaker 3: in front of people, have to have to be.
Speaker 6: We used to joke on the old podcasts, I go
Speaker 6: on the you didn't the Founding Fathers that the powder
Speaker 6: that's in those wigs, it's a magical powder and they
Speaker 6: shake it out on the on the on the Constitution
Speaker 6: and it it dos it with mystical powers, that powdered
Speaker 6: wig powder.
Speaker 4: Yes, and it holds up forever no matter what.
Speaker 5: You do, Like the cloth over the chalice during the cree.
Speaker 3: Yes, folks that we do have a we do have
Speaker 3: a goal to hit over those super chats. We're pretty
Speaker 3: close to the goal. Keeps sending them over on on
Speaker 3: youtu Tube and I will host an after show after this,
Speaker 3: so thank you so much for doing that. I'll we'll
Speaker 3: read some super chats at the very end. I just
Speaker 3: want to be respectful to everyone's times here and again,
Speaker 3: thank you gentlemen for green to come on. This is amazing,
Speaker 3: as I suspected it would be.
Speaker 6: I charged me on per appearance, so please remember that
Speaker 6: one big poin per appearance, I.
Speaker 3: Owe you's possible or do we have to We'll talk
Speaker 3: about it. We'll figure it out. They'll be there'll be
Speaker 3: some sort of trade. I try to actually, I know,
Speaker 3: I tried to went to the local bookstore down here
Speaker 3: and I try to order your book, uh, Esoteric Hollywood three,
Speaker 3: which is coming out soon, and I was told that
Speaker 3: it's only released in Australia, Australia in February. In February.
Speaker 3: I was like, what, see when I say this place
Speaker 3: is retarded, I'm not joking. You know that's number two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know why three would be that far off.
Speaker 6: But I am getting the books tomorrow, so if you
Speaker 6: want to order it from the website for me, you
Speaker 6: can get it for sure. The problem is, though, Jason,
Speaker 6: that unfortunately the the socialists that run your country charge
Speaker 6: an outrageous amount to mail anything to Australia. It costs
Speaker 6: more than book. It costs more than the book to
Speaker 6: mail it to you. So it's like seventy five dollars.
Speaker 6: It's crazy. Canada, they've it's in after COVID is like
Speaker 6: the price is basically doubled. You used to be twenty
Speaker 6: dollars to mail stuff to Canada and now it's like
Speaker 6: forty or fifty to mail a book. It's just insane.
Speaker 6: So so there is that option. It is obviously a
Speaker 6: lot more pricey. But I have talked to the ship
Speaker 6: to the shipping company on the phone and the books
Speaker 6: are coming tomorrow. So I know people are very uh
Speaker 6: testing because it's been months that they delayed. It's been delayed.
Speaker 6: I had to make four hours of changes the other
Speaker 6: day or a few weeks ago. So I apologize it's
Speaker 6: going to be here tomorrow. But that means I start
Speaker 6: ship bring them out tomorrow. And it's just me and Jamie,
Speaker 6: so it's gonna take us probably two weeks to get
Speaker 6: three or foreigner orders out.
Speaker 3: One last let's lea, let's do this as the last point.
Speaker 3: I know. Also Jim I want to throw it to you.
Speaker 3: He said you had some bulletin points. But just as
Speaker 3: my last throw in there, Jim, what what Jim and
Speaker 3: I have been covering on on then and now for
Speaker 3: basic of the past year or so, and God blessed Jim.
Speaker 3: Let me just shine his shoes a little bit because
Speaker 3: he's he's stuck by me in this year of technical
Speaker 3: difficulties and every single bloody Internet demon thing that they
Speaker 3: want to throw my way. Uh, and we have persevered,
Speaker 3: and Jim is Jim has been very very gracious for
Speaker 3: staying at my side. So I think, Jim, don't show Yeah,
Speaker 3: you want to see the other foot. If you want
Speaker 3: to see the other foot, folks, youve got to send
Speaker 3: some money over on stream lasers or to Jay.
Speaker 4: You're losing out on a lot of money.
Speaker 5: Will foot fetishes?
Speaker 6: You know, that's weird when I've never even thought about that,
Speaker 6: but when you if you show your feet that people
Speaker 6: will actually call you out because apparently the more younger
Speaker 6: you go, like the gen Z either like that's a fetish.
Speaker 5: Why are you showing your feet?
Speaker 6: I mean I know that I know Quentin Tarantino has
Speaker 6: a but I'm like, I didn't know this was a
Speaker 6: thing that everyone.
Speaker 3: Is esoteric, esoteric Hollywood four will just be his feet
Speaker 3: s to terk. Very nice, sir.
Speaker 5: Man rubbing the feet of guys life. That doesn't seem
Speaker 5: right to me.
Speaker 3: Somehow we've entered toegate. This is now toegate. We've started
Speaker 3: towgate on the mirriage, on miss meet the blast. You
Speaker 3: heard it here your your first folks. One of the
Speaker 3: things that one of the things that Jim and I
Speaker 3: cover quite a bit, obviously is the Ukrainian Russia war.
Speaker 1: Uh And.
Speaker 3: Quite often when we're looking at this situation, what we've
Speaker 3: my uh my, my thinging has evolved when we first
Speaker 3: started talking about this to where we are at now
Speaker 3: where I where I think we're seeing as a mass
Speaker 3: human sacrifice that either putin or both sides are either
Speaker 3: aware of and complicit with or doing their own thing
Speaker 3: which results in the same direction. Ultimately, they all work
Speaker 3: for the same people or for the same for the
Speaker 3: same results. Let's say, when it gets mired into let's
Speaker 3: say Holy Russia, and when we started thinking about the
Speaker 3: creation of Novosia after this Ukraine situation is done, and
Speaker 3: then of course with the with the the prophecies, coming
Speaker 3: out of Crete and Metropolitan Nefanov met sorry, Metropolitan helped
Speaker 3: me out here. Neo Neo Fitos which Connor Frans Conrad
Speaker 3: Frans over into World War now has been amazing at detailing.
Speaker 3: So we have all this backdrop, we have all this
Speaker 3: these things going on, and just to kind of to
Speaker 3: dovetail into what what Jim and Jay sorry Jim and
Speaker 3: Bucker was talking about before. But there's this seems to me,
Speaker 3: this this this focal point, like things are happening all
Speaker 3: at once now very quickly. Uh. And I believe this
Speaker 3: is basically the setup for official World War three, either
Speaker 3: that will be either smaller, more contained wars or something
Speaker 3: more global like we've seen before. But I think that
Speaker 3: is that it's almost now becoming it inevitable. The reason
Speaker 3: why we should never blackpill is that we we are
Speaker 3: at this point in time where we have an amazing
Speaker 3: influx of people, and I would believe, I think, and
Speaker 3: let me know what you guys think about this, is
Speaker 3: that the direction really for any Orthodox person with means
Speaker 3: or abilities, it's just start sitting up those that infrastructure.
Speaker 3: Because what we're lacking right now we have the people
Speaker 3: coming into the church, but we need the infrastructure for
Speaker 3: the church not just to grow but to maintain. So
Speaker 3: we need to be growing priests, we need to be
Speaker 3: growing media infrastructures, financial infrastructures, all the rest of it,
Speaker 3: and make that a global network. Because if we're gonna
Speaker 3: you know, we're not going out. We're not going down
Speaker 3: without a fight. That's for dank sure, at least I'm not,
Speaker 3: and I know many many feel the same way. So
Speaker 3: if we're looking at Ukraine and Russia as a blueprint
Speaker 3: and really as now the Gaza Plan as another blueprint
Speaker 3: for what they want, I guess the open question here
Speaker 3: is which side are they on? If we're looking at
Speaker 3: Trump and Elon and the Americans and that situation we're
Speaker 3: talking about Putin or other other actors, What's what side
Speaker 3: do you think these guys are on? Where do you
Speaker 3: see this going in the next five to ten, fifteen years?
Speaker 3: Anyone you're muted place right, dude, you're mute, un mute.
Speaker 4: That's a that's a that's definitely a gem question first,
Speaker 4: and my I mean I have thoughts on this.
Speaker 5: Look, Jason, you're asking a question nobody can answer. No
Speaker 5: place good is the short answer. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: you're right. Things are increasingly taking on the contours of
Speaker 5: the world war. Maybe people turn into one like the
Speaker 5: previous two World War, in which case it will go
Speaker 5: nuclear and then we probably won't have much to worry about.
Speaker 5: I mean, but if it doesn't, and that's kind of
Speaker 5: a different war thought in multiple theaters without going all
Speaker 5: out in any one of them, it could. It could
Speaker 5: unfold in very, very unpredictable ways. And I think the
Speaker 5: main thing, at least in the short term for us,
Speaker 5: and again not to get too deep into the politics,
Speaker 5: is that it's going to involve some kind of internal
Speaker 5: crisis here in the United States that will exacerbate the
Speaker 5: divisions we're already seeing. And that's where all the other
Speaker 5: stuff we're talking about, the moral stuff, the spiritual stuff,
Speaker 5: is all going to be going into overdrive. And I
Speaker 5: don't think we can we can anticipate exactly how that's
Speaker 5: going to fall out, except to say it's not going
Speaker 5: to be pleasant.
Speaker 3: Buck, you said you had some thoughts.
Speaker 4: I mean, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: I I can't.
Speaker 4: I'm not educated enough. I have feelings. Let's let's put
Speaker 4: it that way. And I wish more people to be
Speaker 4: willing to say that I have. I have feelings on
Speaker 4: some of this rather than than educated thoughts. But just
Speaker 4: real quick, there was something in the comments, and not
Speaker 4: to derail the conversation, but it just hits upon a
Speaker 4: point I was trying to make. It said something along
Speaker 4: the lines of why do you have such division? We
Speaker 4: all have the same God, whether you believe it or not,
Speaker 4: and we do not. That's that's the fear that I
Speaker 4: have with this. I remember being with a priest and
Speaker 4: maybe it's not fair to share his name because everyone
Speaker 4: knows who he is when I was in Mount Athos,
Speaker 4: and his main message to us was like ecumenisms, and
Speaker 4: it's a word I always have trouble saying. Acumenism is
Speaker 4: the biggest threat that we face right now. And boy,
Speaker 4: it seems again to bring it back to post Kirk issues,
Speaker 4: that is the thing. We don't all have the same God.
Speaker 4: And his father Turbo mentioned I think it was even
Speaker 4: in his speech at Ludwell God has you?
Speaker 3: For sure?
Speaker 4: You don't have God? And that's I know it sounds
Speaker 4: harsh and people are going, well, you know the I
Speaker 4: don't need an organized religion or I don't need a structure.
Speaker 4: But whatever the case is, you'll if you come at
Speaker 4: that opinion and end goal here in your thought process,
Speaker 4: you don't feel the same way that the church fathers felt.
Speaker 4: In the Christianity of the first first thousand years, no
Speaker 4: one felt that way. So just think of it this way.
Speaker 4: Prior to ten fifty four, when someone said, Hey, I'm
Speaker 4: going to church, there's no question of what kind of
Speaker 4: truth or true you're going to, or what denomination you are,
Speaker 4: or is it liberal or do you guys let in
Speaker 4: these people or do you do this? It was only
Speaker 4: the church. So again, we don't all have the same God.
Speaker 4: I've been told tiny hats worship the same God as
Speaker 4: we do. That's not true, Muslims, that's not true. And
Speaker 4: we can extrapolate it from on and on. And i
Speaker 4: know it sounds harsh, and i know it sounds cold
Speaker 4: or judgmental, and I'm not trying to sound that way.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to present it as the truth as
Speaker 4: it's been given to me through the Church. We don't
Speaker 4: all worship the same God. God has you, But do
Speaker 4: you have God is a big question here. I'm sorry
Speaker 4: to derail the conversation off of Russia and Ukraine and
Speaker 4: foreign policy, but it was something that came up in
Speaker 4: the comments.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's related anyways, because of course what
Speaker 3: we see with a traditional Orthodox sorry, traditional Ukrainian Church
Speaker 3: and now whatever.
Speaker 4: For example, it's the Orthodox, Dude, they our state department
Speaker 4: supported it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You want to ask the monks and the priests that
Speaker 4: are getting jailed if they think it's the same church.
Speaker 3: Kay.
Speaker 6: Well, First, John too says, who is a liar? But
Speaker 6: he that denies Jesus as the Messiah, that person is Antichrist.
Speaker 6: He denies the Father and the Son. If you deny
Speaker 6: the son, you do not have the Father. Well, Islam, Judaism,
Speaker 6: all are predicated on denying the son. They don't have
Speaker 6: the same God. Now, I mean to get to the
Speaker 6: issue of future geopolitical conflicts, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think it's looking like they want to take America
Speaker 6: into some civil war scenario, evench at least the left
Speaker 6: has been more and more calling for violence. It's obviously
Speaker 6: why they're importing so many people is to turn the
Speaker 6: country totally left or to have some kind of conflict
Speaker 6: down the road, which I don't know how that'll happen
Speaker 6: or what they'll do. But remember that you know, a
Speaker 6: lot of the people who are intent on kind of
Speaker 6: collapsing the country. You know, they know how to do
Speaker 6: this in other countries, so that they know how to
Speaker 6: initiate regime change and have these kinds of cups. You know,
Speaker 6: this is a big, powerful, wealthy country, so it's maybe
Speaker 6: a little bit more difficult to do. It takes longer,
Speaker 6: but I think probably they think in long term generational
Speaker 6: you know sections. At least that's when you read these
Speaker 6: people like Jock at to Lee and Kissinger. They kind
Speaker 6: of plotted out sort of you know, decades at a time,
Speaker 6: and so they're looking to where we're going to be
Speaker 6: a twenty forty, twenty fifty. They're very explicit in their books,
Speaker 6: especially Brief Fist of the Future. It says, you know,
Speaker 6: we want the gollum Ai Global Brain by twenty fifty.
Speaker 6: To get there, we have to Atali says we're gonna
Speaker 6: have to fight against a rising return of Christianity in
Speaker 6: the West. So, yeah, that's pretty that's pretty spicy stuff.
Speaker 6: And he you know, he's full he's full on like
Speaker 6: transhumanists Ai. That's that's where that's the system they're bringing in.
Speaker 6: So that's where we're going.
Speaker 5: I agree with all I agree with all that, although
Speaker 5: I would caution that I would not say that this
Speaker 5: is something exclusively from the left.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I didn't mean to give that impression. I
Speaker 6: just meant they're more radical.
Speaker 5: But I agree, no, well, and I know they are
Speaker 5: at least they they in terms of their rank and file. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they are more violent because they've been powered by the
Speaker 5: establishing the b or radical and get away with it.
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of people on the so called right
Speaker 5: march around and uh, you know, Hawaiian shirts. Then the
Speaker 5: Feds come out and from all in jail. But you
Speaker 5: know when the right then it has it's mark harder
Speaker 5: now and the right consists of let's see me, me, boyfriend, Jesus,
Speaker 5: the Republican Party in Israel. That's what passes for a right,
Speaker 5: and that's that doesn't give give you a whole lot
Speaker 5: of confidence about what their agenda is too, and the
Speaker 5: extent to which you know going out to the left
Speaker 5: or Antifa is a terror organization even though Antifa is
Speaker 5: not even an organization, and that the state is being
Speaker 5: mobilized because we're in power now and we can do
Speaker 5: it to them now, because they to us. That doesn't
Speaker 5: give me the warm fuzzy feeling in terms of the
Speaker 5: way the direction is going. And the last thing I
Speaker 5: would say, you know, Jay said, this is something that
Speaker 5: could take a long time in a country like this, decades, generations. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and when did it really go into high gear in
Speaker 5: nineteen sixties? Uh, And I would say we are at
Speaker 5: the end or coming in dear to the culmination of
Speaker 5: that process. So on wharres one we talk about that
Speaker 5: kind of Hey to you know, is the word collapse
Speaker 5: of America. We're not talking about something I think that's
Speaker 5: go to happen twenty or forty years from now. We're
Speaker 5: talking about something that we're already starting to get close
Speaker 5: to the acceleration phase that I think easily could be
Speaker 5: happening just in the next few years, and much more
Speaker 5: suddenly than people think. It's one of those things that
Speaker 5: once it gets started, slowly, slowly, slowly, faster fast, oh zoom,
Speaker 5: and then it happens very fast. Look look at the
Speaker 5: way the Civic Union collapsed. Look look look at the
Speaker 5: way for that matter of Syria collapsed. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: these things can happen very fast once they get going.
Speaker 3: Look at the way.
Speaker 4: You know, jim and I have thoughts on this other
Speaker 4: than the mainstream view. But to take the mainstream view,
Speaker 4: look at the way slavery ended. You know, if you
Speaker 4: said to someone in eighteen fifty five, hey, they're all
Speaker 4: going to be gone, and then you in ten years,
Speaker 4: really that sounds weird. And so I think we get
Speaker 4: this spoiled weak man mentality, which I admit that I
Speaker 4: have myself often where you're comfortable and it's like this
Speaker 4: will probably work out fine for the rest of my
Speaker 4: career and probably be okay. It could be gone in
Speaker 4: two years. And I think the comfort that I have
Speaker 4: now is that I'm not worried about like my God,
Speaker 4: is Advan's gonna win for the next election? Are we
Speaker 4: gonna have aoc Part of me cares because I love politics,
Speaker 4: and a large part of me is like, I don't
Speaker 4: care because I have Christ and the Church and I'd
Speaker 4: rather put my faith in that and see where things
Speaker 4: go than to constantly be worried about how can I
Speaker 4: fix this on a political national level.
Speaker 3: Jimmy, you said you had some bullets and points, and
Speaker 3: it's later. It's later than you think. It's both personal
Speaker 3: and external. It's both internal and external. You know it
Speaker 3: works in both directions. Jimmy said, you had some bulls
Speaker 3: and points that you want to get to, especially about
Speaker 3: the uh orthoxy in my no, and I already covered.
Speaker 5: Them in my initial remarks, so we already got to that.
Speaker 3: Okay. Uh, let me just read out some super chats
Speaker 3: really briefly here and then we we'll get to some
Speaker 3: final thoughts. Again, thank you gentlemen forgive me your time.
Speaker 3: I do appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: And this show has done what I hoped it would do.
Speaker 3: So far, so good, even though you know it's me
Speaker 3: being the host, so you know, anything, anything bad could happen,
Speaker 3: but so far, no one has dropped out. Uh and
Speaker 3: uh and my computer hasn't caught on fire, so there's
Speaker 3: there's there's there's some hope in in.
Speaker 4: The and your your socialist government hadn't kicked this off yet.
Speaker 3: Well you know it. Come December, we're gonn to find
Speaker 3: out what what what's gonna happen because there's.
Speaker 4: Some anti semitism loss coming there isn't.
Speaker 3: There oh there that's already been passed. No, the the
Speaker 3: the big question for December will be their passing very
Speaker 3: similar to what they did, and in Britain with age
Speaker 3: restricted voter basically digital ID. But to protect protect the children,
Speaker 3: buck social media is having this horrible effect on children,
Speaker 3: So we're gonna have to make sure we have age
Speaker 3: verification for everybody. How that's gonna work, we know, but
Speaker 3: it's going to be basically just digital ID to protect
Speaker 3: the children from social media so well, so we'll see
Speaker 3: how that goes. My my bitter white pill is that,
Speaker 3: as I've said quite often, and with notable exceptions like
Speaker 3: Don Browning who's in the chat, and a few others
Speaker 3: who follow the channel, but most of Australia, at least,
Speaker 3: the leadership in Australia is heavily retarded. I've come from Montreal, Canada.
Speaker 3: I thought I came to the most bureaucratically retarded place
Speaker 3: in the whole in the whole world, and then I
Speaker 3: moved here. I'm like, Wow, there's levels to this. There
Speaker 3: are levels to this, and I'm countering it on a
Speaker 3: daily basis. It's kind of why I don't leave my house.
Speaker 3: So thank you to everyone who sent a super chat
Speaker 3: who allows me to not leave the house on a
Speaker 3: daily basis.
Speaker 4: Day you give Jay, Jim and myself really zero reason
Speaker 4: to complain about anything. You went from Canada to Australia
Speaker 4: during COVID.
Speaker 3: Right to the West where they didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to a concentration camp, and I'm just you know,
Speaker 4: I'm good.
Speaker 3: Well you're married in Australian and these things happened. But
Speaker 3: that's the shames on Mengo. Mongola said ten dollars ten
Speaker 3: euros saying if Jay said was what is true, then
Speaker 3: the schism will worsen from political to from political to
Speaker 3: partial to full. We didn't really talk too much about schism.
Speaker 3: We kind of mentioned it. Uh, there definitely seems to
Speaker 3: be whispers about that, and I've kind of said on
Speaker 3: the show quite often with the using Ukraine as a
Speaker 3: as a beta test, things are going to get probably
Speaker 3: a little bit more tough for people, especially people who
Speaker 3: are just entering ro Corps and any kind of Russian
Speaker 3: affiliated church in the last few years. But I think
Speaker 3: we've kind of touched on that on the show. Anyone
Speaker 3: wants to add to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, real quick. I'm actually kind of optimistic, uncharacteristically
Speaker 5: optimistic about that because if something happens between Rome and Constantinople,
Speaker 5: I think I mean, look, look what's happened with the
Speaker 5: fake church in Ukraine? Who did Constantinople get on their side?
Speaker 5: They got Alexandria, and then they got the primates of
Speaker 5: the Greek Church and the Cypriot Church, but not all
Speaker 5: of their syned and then basically nobody else has signed
Speaker 5: onto this thing. My guess is that if they actually
Speaker 5: overtly went into union with Rome and intercommit union with Rome,
Speaker 5: I don't agree, there would be riots in Greece. I
Speaker 5: don't think there's any question about that. I mean, really riots,
Speaker 5: bloody riots. People. People are not gonna put up with
Speaker 5: this stuff. And if they tried to, if Athenes tried
Speaker 5: to go in that direction, I can't. I think I
Speaker 5: think uh Bartholomew would be hanging himself if he does that.
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think he has a lot of
Speaker 5: room for optimism. Know how much pressure the Americans try
Speaker 5: to put on because they tried to do the same
Speaker 5: thing with praying. They sent Sam Brown back when he's
Speaker 5: the ambassador for religious freedom to round all these countries
Speaker 5: to bend the arm of book, wrested Sophie and Belgrad
Speaker 5: and policy tried to get them the sign on to Ukraine.
Speaker 5: They wouldn't do it, and so I don't think I
Speaker 5: don't think they'll do go very far with this thing
Speaker 5: of what happens.
Speaker 3: Buck Jay. Any any add on to that.
Speaker 4: Nope, I mean I tend to agree with Jim on that,
Speaker 4: by the way, But even yuh h h. The optimism
Speaker 4: I have about the Orthodox Church, not only of course
Speaker 4: that it's everlasting and eternal, but I mean even for
Speaker 4: them for the time being, every attack I see on
Speaker 4: people like Jay and Jim and priests that I'm close with. Uh,
Speaker 4: within the quote unquote Orthodox circles, they die out very quickly.
Speaker 4: They're they fall to the wayside, they're gone. They don't
Speaker 4: get any traction at all. I've seen names come after
Speaker 4: Father John Whiteford, Father Turbo, Father Peter Hears, Jim Jatris,
Speaker 4: Jay Dyer, Father Deacon, and.
Speaker 3: Father.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just like, Okay, it makes a splash
Speaker 4: for a second because those are big names, and then
Speaker 4: the people that are doing the attacking they're gone. And
Speaker 4: so that's that's a positive thing in my opinion within
Speaker 4: the church.
Speaker 6: Jay, Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, it's we've seen
Speaker 6: quite a bit of that. Obviously, if you're in the
Speaker 6: debate sphere, you're going to kind of rile up people
Speaker 6: and you're going to get a lot more opposition. And
Speaker 6: I think that a lot of the people who fostered
Speaker 6: that opposition, some of them for even like seven years,
Speaker 6: kind of ended up. At least three or four of
Speaker 6: them admitted they were on meds and two of them
Speaker 6: have left the church and aren't even Orthodox. So you
Speaker 6: know that time time eventually vindicates I think this kind
Speaker 6: of stuff, especially, you know, if you are sincere, you
Speaker 6: just keep trudging forward and you'll end up being vindicated.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the biggest problem is going to
Speaker 6: be not people criticizing like that, but the acumenism in
Speaker 6: the hierarchy will eventually either lead to a schism or
Speaker 6: you know, they're going to try to do something to
Speaker 6: come after people. There's not much they can do though,
Speaker 6: because they don't really understand strives and effect. The more
Speaker 6: that you you know, try to oppose and lie about people,
Speaker 6: it just really makes the people more. It makes it
Speaker 6: gives more attention, and that's the way the internet works.
Speaker 6: But a lot of the you know, people who are
Speaker 6: acumenist amongst a clergy that are more boomer They think
Speaker 6: that clamp down, shut down, shut them up, sensor them.
Speaker 6: It doesn't work. That's that we're in a totally different
Speaker 6: world from that older model of things, whether we like
Speaker 6: it or not.
Speaker 4: They're extremists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just briefly, Jake, as you kind of mentioned
Speaker 3: with the discord and all the rest of it, your effects,
Speaker 3: especially on young men, just peeking on personal level. When
Speaker 3: we had you on the show with Jim a few
Speaker 3: months ago, I went back to my parish and I
Speaker 3: had a line up of people who wanted to talk
Speaker 3: to me. Your effects down here, and positively, your effects
Speaker 3: down here are definitely felt. So, you know, if anyone
Speaker 3: has any criticism for Jay Dillard, just understand, especially with
Speaker 3: with with un orthodoxy, just understand that Jay is bringing
Speaker 3: more young men uh into the church or bringing more
Speaker 3: young men.
Speaker 4: With more people, I would say at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with people in general. Uh, he's done more for
Speaker 3: for attendance uh than than most. Let's say, yes, so
Speaker 3: there's most just shine your shoes a little bit of
Speaker 3: their Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have hundreds of women that come up and they're
Speaker 4: like can I bitcoin so eacte? They want him and
Speaker 4: like ladies, he's married.
Speaker 3: Is that a joke or is that that?
Speaker 6: Is that a joke?
Speaker 4: I'm it's a joke based on reality, let's say, because
Speaker 4: it has gone from in the past five years to
Speaker 4: men going do you know Jay Dyer to the people generally.
Speaker 6: Saying, so actual, actual females are converting. It's not just
Speaker 6: a nineteen year old spurgy dudes that are obsessed with
Speaker 6: tag and philosophy.
Speaker 4: At the Ludwell Lovewell conference, I did see the line
Speaker 4: to speak with you at lunch, not as female heavy,
Speaker 4: but yeah, there's been a lot of of.
Speaker 6: Well different in twenty seventeen, there was a lot of
Speaker 6: nerdy spurgy theology dudes who are now sort of chad
Speaker 6: married dudes. So so hopefully this rehab program is working.
Speaker 6: But I noticed that Ludwell, you know, and obviously the
Speaker 6: audience wasn't just there for me, but you know, in
Speaker 6: Ludwell there was quite a few young couples, you know,
Speaker 6: young girls, and this is that was definitely different from
Speaker 6: previous live events.
Speaker 4: For sure, this latest boom within the church seems to
Speaker 4: be heavier amongst families than the boom that Jason and
Speaker 4: I came in to the church as men. And I've
Speaker 4: seen that when I go to Father John Whiteford's parish
Speaker 4: down a few hours from me, like the new converts
Speaker 4: that I see speaking to him or that will even
Speaker 4: come up to me and talk. It's it's married couples.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful.
Speaker 6: Nothing wrong with the young dudes. Obviously, we got to
Speaker 6: get the young dudes in too. It's just it's a
Speaker 6: it's it's these the phases have different flavors to them,
Speaker 6: which is which is very interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I love well. We had like
Speaker 5: thirty female by my just visuals. That's pretty good for
Speaker 5: an Orthodox conference. I mean yes, especially on a topic
Speaker 5: like you know, Southern stuff and all that. You know.
Speaker 5: As far as Jay goes, I don't know what black
Speaker 5: hearted sins he'll have on his account on judgment day,
Speaker 5: but he can't count. There'll be thousands of thousands of
Speaker 5: people there will say, go easy on him, bloord.
Speaker 4: I would be here not for himred percent.
Speaker 5: That's something you can look forward when the time comes.
Speaker 6: Maybe that'll cover up, Yeah, my pride and dirty thoughts
Speaker 6: and you know, the typical guy stuff, so that the
Speaker 6: guy's deal with so we.
Speaker 4: Can all hope for ourselves.
Speaker 6: I have no idea what you're talking about, Saint Jim.
Speaker 3: That's why I called the elder we sit under his tree.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what they say, even when a man is ninety
Speaker 5: years old, his eyes are still nineteen.
Speaker 4: The rest of them isn't so.
Speaker 3: Plus I guess, well, I heard, I heard, I heard
Speaker 3: sciences help him with that. So you know it's maybe
Speaker 3: it's not all bad. It's just like a ten dollars
Speaker 3: from from one of the based Australias. Don keep your
Speaker 3: eyes open for book sales at your local library. She
Speaker 3: was commenting on the changing changing faces of man. I
Speaker 3: think what's the And she also mentioned that there's printers
Speaker 3: out there. I think that's kind of we're talking about
Speaker 3: infrastructure or I was talking about infrastructure for the church.
Speaker 3: Definitely setting up printing, the local printing, especially here in Australia,
Speaker 3: but I think all over the place would be a
Speaker 3: good idea if people have any money to throw around
Speaker 3: or connections to set up more printing, small printers that
Speaker 3: we can print out things like of course orthodox books
Speaker 3: and translations, but also things like Changing Images as a
Speaker 3: Man and other books like that to give people not
Speaker 3: kind of an overview of what of where the enemy
Speaker 3: is and how they're manifesting. It should never be a
Speaker 3: black pilling event. It's just more like, as I always say,
Speaker 3: it's like I'm a weather man. I'm just telling which
Speaker 3: way the wind blows. What you do with that is
Speaker 3: up to you. But at least you have that information.
Speaker 3: How much more time would you have saved in twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen or early twenty twenty if you had known more,
Speaker 3: if you had had gotten that a little bit more
Speaker 3: extra information and then having to run around with your
Speaker 3: hair on fire like I did for about a six
Speaker 3: months until things kind of sort of you started having
Speaker 3: to figure things out. So and jump in, guys, if
Speaker 3: you want to comment on anything of this, I'll just
Speaker 3: read through these five dollars from Handsome Cat when you
Speaker 3: take communion. Are you okay? This is guy?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 3: Trolls, trolls, trolls, although he did send me five dollars,
Speaker 3: So if trolls want to send me five dollars a
Speaker 3: troll and just have your comment deleted by Don and
Speaker 3: moderators in a chat, please please continue. It's it's perfectly fine.
Speaker 3: I never I've never understood that.
Speaker 6: I always got to kick out of the people who
Speaker 6: like are really mad at me, and they keep sending money.
Speaker 4: I hate you so much. I'm helping you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's here's a comment from Don. There's an Australian
Speaker 3: printer who Edward Dunton. Really graceful and send me a gogue.
Speaker 3: Use ask them, I'll ask you. I'll also ask for
Speaker 3: a future reference. That would be fantastic. Yeah, I knew
Speaker 3: there was one one family to my parents who h
Speaker 3: later who's since left. But he said he basically took
Speaker 3: up a book binding so in order to be able
Speaker 3: to print out things and bind them into books. So there's, uh,
Speaker 3: there's options out there. But yeah, I think printing out
Speaker 3: some of these books is a little bit cost uh ineffective. Uh,
Speaker 3: and many willis Manuel. This is totally fifteen to fifty
Speaker 3: Mexican bucks. This is totally not for feet picks. Honestly. Wow,
Speaker 3: as you said, I did put my chat.
Speaker 6: I did put my big coin address in the chat
Speaker 6: that people really want to support the feet picking.
Speaker 3: One bitcoin to get yourself some j dire fetish picks.
Speaker 6: No, you already got it.
Speaker 3: I did it for you all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys.
Speaker 3: But when he saw one, there's the other foot there.
Speaker 4: They're they're Jay I mean they're still waiting for the
Speaker 4: other foot to drop.
Speaker 3: It was it was his exactly.
Speaker 6: Maybe. Yeah, I've got a collection over here of severed
Speaker 6: feets and I'm actually like, you know, the something.
Speaker 3: Day five dollars from Texas Nationalists. Thanks Jay for your content,
Speaker 3: Please go on World War Now. Thanks a Bud for
Speaker 3: your amazing show. And Andy y'all doing christ work well.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Yeah, I mean you just went
Speaker 3: did you? Did you end up going to uh out
Speaker 3: East with with Conrad and that whole crew? Jay, I
Speaker 3: know I believe your name was mentioned for that.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: I mean I've been on World War Now at least
Speaker 6: three or four times, But no, I didn't go to
Speaker 6: Rush or anything.
Speaker 3: Uh thirty U y u bucks from Uruguay Premiro. What
Speaker 3: are the limits? What is the limit of a nationalist coalition?
Speaker 3: Are we talking like Christian nationalism? I mean we didn't
Speaker 3: really have time to get into that. I know Andrew
Speaker 3: Wilson has been a big, big proponent for it. I know, Jay,
Speaker 3: some of your comments about it is I'll just paraphrase
Speaker 3: and let me know if if I'm doing good job
Speaker 3: with that, is that it's a fine thing to talk about,
Speaker 3: but you need to have a unified Christian faith in
Speaker 3: order to have Christian nationalism. Having a bunch of different
Speaker 3: sex all running around.
Speaker 6: I don't think it'll work, you know, Doug Wilson together
Speaker 6: with you know.
Speaker 3: Whoever.
Speaker 6: But probably some kind of maybe some kind of loose
Speaker 6: coalition as possible, But I don't know. I mean, think
Speaker 6: about the protesting professional States. They didn't work out very
Speaker 6: well amongst themselves.
Speaker 4: I fear that American Christian Nationalism as it would stand
Speaker 4: right now, immediately post Charlie Kirk would call us heretical
Speaker 4: for worshiping icons.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think keep in mind, you know, Doug, even if
Speaker 6: we try to find the most coherent of the Protestants,
Speaker 6: you know, even if that was for the sake of argument,
Speaker 6: Doug Wilson, So that's a super tiny minority, you know.
Speaker 6: I think, really Protestism, when it's not just this you know,
Speaker 6: totally faking gay stuff, it's really the Radical Reformation is
Speaker 6: what ended up winning out. So the world of Evangelicals
Speaker 6: and Pentecostalism and charismaticism, it is the Radical Reformation. And
Speaker 6: that's just even too crazy. The reformers thought that was
Speaker 6: too crazy to even have some kind of alliance with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, could I mean, could we ever imagine
Speaker 3: having a sort of American symplenesia kind of kind of issue.
Speaker 3: Something I've talked about on the show recently was the
Speaker 3: idea that I guess the hardest part for a lot
Speaker 3: of Westerners coming into the church and also sorts of
Speaker 3: substantiating the church written large, is that idea of submission,
Speaker 3: submission and asking, asking permission, bowing down to a higher authority,
Speaker 3: into that hierarchy. You know, a lot of distant and
Speaker 3: write and right wingers talk a good talk about hierarchy
Speaker 3: when it actually comes down to it, and it's a
Speaker 3: it's a shift. You know, when I started my catechism
Speaker 3: and having to get used to asking permission for my
Speaker 3: priest to even have the show, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: I'm a grown ass man. Why do I have to
Speaker 3: ask permission? So it's a it's an adjustment. And even
Speaker 3: if you're willing to do the adjustment, it takes a
Speaker 3: little time to get used to. And I think if
Speaker 3: you're starting to try to apply that to what three
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty million people, it's a.
Speaker 4: Humility that's not reached Protestantism. There's a difference between prostrating
Speaker 4: before an icon and raising your hands to a rock show.
Speaker 3: Octavia nineteen ninety nine, legendary live stream. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: We'd love to see you all together on regular basis. Well,
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Speaker 3: And now where your writing's now? On substack buck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still I'm not good at promoting myself and
Speaker 4: I'm still a little bit hesitant to promote a substack
Speaker 4: and shop. Yes it is on I don't remember even
Speaker 4: the substack. See that's how bad I am. But if
Speaker 4: you go to dissident media dot net and their substack,
Speaker 4: they feature me on there, and I will be doing
Speaker 4: one per month. The one was first on hot top
Speaker 4: at Christianity. I think the next will be something along
Speaker 4: the lines.
Speaker 3: Of can you.
Speaker 4: Can you have a fulfilled life as a secularist? So
Speaker 4: I'm sort of thinking about that direction now.
Speaker 3: Fifty p l n from Enchanted Hero. If we repent
Speaker 3: in the Satanic global empire ends. Do you think that
Speaker 3: the katecin cate categ Shun can return after being absent
Speaker 3: for over one hundred years? This seems to be a
Speaker 3: just a dovetail to a standard question when I was
Speaker 3: on a recent podcast talking about this, But a lot
Speaker 3: of people want to know if we if there can
Speaker 3: be all this stuff can be adverted or the way
Speaker 3: to like pushed it back or change some inevitable consequences.
Speaker 3: When I was talking about the eventful Son and all
Speaker 3: these other things. My short answer is maybe, but not
Speaker 3: without without a massive return to prayer. Any general thoughts
Speaker 3: on that, gentleman, pushing things back, changing things that are
Speaker 3: already kind of in motion, as you know what things
Speaker 3: we've talked about with the changing images a man, These
Speaker 3: plans have been set out for at least one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty years, if not longer, maybe four hundred years,
Speaker 3: that are kind of coming fruition. You know, can we
Speaker 3: do anything to change it in some ways?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean we're in a go ahead Jim, sorry,
Speaker 6: godam no Jem. First, well it worked.
Speaker 5: You've seen that meme with the cracked damn and wrath
Speaker 5: of God and below it is the world and the
Speaker 5: only thing holding it back is the prayers of one
Speaker 5: hundred and six year old Greek Yahya, and that's probably
Speaker 5: close to where we are. It's on the other hand,
Speaker 5: it worked for the men of Nineveh after Jonah preached,
Speaker 5: so repentance can have that effect. I don't think we
Speaker 5: can limit what God could do. I think we also
Speaker 5: have to have to asks how.
Speaker 3: Likely is it? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Also, I mean it's kind of like, again, we're in
Speaker 6: the we're in a pagan period. It's not a it's
Speaker 6: a post Christian period already. And the Roman Empire, you know,
Speaker 6: it took three hundred years to convert it.
Speaker 3: But we have the.
Speaker 6: Internet, which can make things spread way faster than the
Speaker 6: ancient Roman empires texts and oral teaching could spread, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, letting the one for death. I think there's this
Speaker 4: and instinct that I'm still trying to get over. It's like,
Speaker 4: what's the next shitty thing that's gonna happen? How do
Speaker 4: I prepare for it? And it's like we already know
Speaker 4: the answer to that. So I mean, also there's part
Speaker 4: of me I guess I would say real quick on
Speaker 4: the internet discourse stuff with the tiny hats and I'm
Speaker 4: part of this, constantly putting out episodes on Zionism. Both
Speaker 4: of Jim and Jay I have been on episodes with
Speaker 4: me doing this. I do that because I was quote
Speaker 4: unquote educated by Pastor Hagey as a teenager. So there's
Speaker 4: part of me that's repenting for that and putting this
Speaker 4: out there. But there's also part of me thinking, like
Speaker 4: that toothpaste is out of the tube. So I would
Speaker 4: almost caution people, like when you see these arguments keep
Speaker 4: going on on Twitter, like the Jays versus the Zionists
Speaker 4: or all these things, like maybe it's time for me
Speaker 4: to also push away from some of that discourse because
Speaker 4: it's sort of becoming from like us trying to get
Speaker 4: the truth out there to like a mainstream distraction. Anyway,
Speaker 4: that's on my mind, so wanted to put that out
Speaker 4: there too, almost like the Jay what what Fentes is
Speaker 4: sort of doing against Jay at this moment, And it's
Speaker 4: like we all kind of know this at this point,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, I don't quite understand the point
Speaker 4: of unless there's unless there's something subversive.
Speaker 3: Coming, well, Twente's friend or fed is coming, folks, So
Speaker 3: keep your eyes open for that. Any any real brief
Speaker 3: thoughts on that jay On, on Nick Fuente's attacks, or
Speaker 3: on the whole over obsession Let's say I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: over obsession about zionisn't I think Zionism is something to
Speaker 3: be aware of as almost the final ideology.
Speaker 4: But let me interrupt real quick. When I saw Normies
Speaker 4: reposted John Hagey, who I grew up going to insulting him,
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I think maybe we're good here. Not
Speaker 4: that to put our guard down and not ever be discerning,
Speaker 4: but like I came at this the last few years
Speaker 4: like I need to get this message out. I want
Speaker 4: to get this message out. And now I saw normy
Speaker 4: politic people like can you believe John Hagey? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I can believe it. I've seen it for years. So
Speaker 4: maybe that's a white pill in the sense of like,
Speaker 4: I don't have to focus on this so much. And
Speaker 4: when I see people overly focusing on it now alarm
Speaker 4: belts going off because of the Fuintes and j stuff.
Speaker 6: But go ahead, I've got good news on that front.
Speaker 6: I was invited on a very large podcast. That's one
Speaker 6: of the reasons we traveled to where we are, and
Speaker 6: we had a intense, long discussion about Christian Zionism and
Speaker 6: it went really well. And that will drop next week.
Speaker 6: Obviously that's not going to end John Hagey or anything
Speaker 6: like that, and it's not gonna shut up Ted Cruz.
Speaker 6: But this was not the conversation I expected, and we
Speaker 6: had an awesome time, and I think I think it
Speaker 6: will It will be a powerful you know, I'm not
Speaker 6: too to mine where. I'm just saying that this audience
Speaker 6: you know that we will be speaking to, I think
Speaker 6: will be This is a good thing.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 5: There's a certain paradox that we have, more than ever
Speaker 5: before in the United States, a kind of a hysterical
Speaker 5: witch hunt or hate crime, anti Semitism, blah blah, blah,
Speaker 5: blah blah. At the same time, you can say things
Speaker 5: now you couldn't have said ten years ago or five
Speaker 5: years ago or two years ago that you know, well, look,
Speaker 5: I mean I can remember what we're just talking about
Speaker 5: Zionism as an ideology. It was like the third rail.
Speaker 5: We just couldn't do it.
Speaker 6: And now you can't even mention.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, yeah, the sky is blue. You
Speaker 5: know I'm right. And so there's there's and and and
Speaker 5: I think that's part of the reason for the hysteria
Speaker 5: why Pam Bondi is thrightening people with you know, hate
Speaker 5: crime prosecution or you know, being anti Semitic. However she
Speaker 5: wants to define it, you know, Uh so it's you again.
Speaker 5: I think it points to some of the brittleness in
Speaker 5: the system where the authorities want to be repressive of,
Speaker 5: you know, things that are contrary to the narrative, and
Speaker 5: they really can't control it as much as they could before.
Speaker 4: Having said that, my next episode is called anti Semitism
Speaker 4: in the Church with GM Davis, uh who wrote the
Speaker 4: book Antichrist. But yeah, he's great. It's a fantastic episode.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying we shouldn't focus on this. We should,
Speaker 4: but I think this thing with Fuentes and Jay this
Speaker 4: week start to making me think, like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: the attacks on Jay on this particular particular subjec that
Speaker 4: kind of annoy me. So maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 3: Man, If if the Australian authorities burst through this door
Speaker 3: and a recipe live on a stream, I'm blaming all
Speaker 3: of you. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's that's I'm a little worried for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can and your prayers said, your prayers
Speaker 3: and your super chats. Folks. I used to going a
Speaker 3: bug out bag, you know, just just just in case
Speaker 3: I'll go.
Speaker 5: You can tell him we're not we're not anti semitic.
Speaker 6: Where what what did you say?
Speaker 3: Cut out?
Speaker 5: We're not anti semitic. We're uncle, we're not anti semitic.
Speaker 3: Okay, never mind, Auntie. Two dollars from found a Head
Speaker 3: for him. Great day for Yabar Malaise party in Argentina.
Speaker 3: Talking about about Tony hats uh, he's been, he's been
Speaker 3: connected to it. I think I had gotten through most
Speaker 3: of them. Here, another two dollars from fountain Head. Great. Sorry,
Speaker 3: that's the same thing. I think I've gotten through most
Speaker 3: of them, if not all. If I've missed any, I'm sorry, folks,
Speaker 3: but I want to be respectful. Everyone's time again, gentlemen,
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Any closing thoughts or last words.
Speaker 3: Let people know where to find you, of course, and
Speaker 3: what to buy and where to consume your work in general,
Speaker 3: and we'll be we'll close around.
Speaker 4: Who goes first, Jason, you're the director.
Speaker 3: Buck just we'll go alphabetical book.
Speaker 4: Okay, I would just first say thanks to Jay Dyer
Speaker 4: and Jim Jatris, two guys I look up to very
Speaker 4: much and have had the pleasure of meeting in person.
Speaker 4: For those listening, they're nicer even than they seem on
Speaker 4: the internet.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad.
Speaker 4: I'm honored to be on a panel with both of them,
Speaker 4: and of course my good friend Jason. The show is
Speaker 4: called Counterflow Podcast with Buck Johnson Counterflow podcast dot com. Again,
Speaker 4: let's stop talking about Zionism. So my next episode is
Speaker 4: called Anti Semitism and the Church with GM Davis.
Speaker 3: And the last time he's going to talk out of
Speaker 3: the folks.
Speaker 4: It's the last time, the last time. For the next week,
Speaker 4: I will talk about this again.
Speaker 3: I'm bitter.
Speaker 4: I went to John Hagen's church.
Speaker 3: This is a wound that I need healing on.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 3: All I got.
Speaker 4: I'm not important in the grand scheme here, mister j Dyer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can find my work at Jason alsis dot com.
Speaker 6: That's all the archive material and interviews for the last
Speaker 6: ten years, including all the Tragy Hope lectures, including all
Speaker 6: the Spice here content that I couldn't openly talk about
Speaker 6: because of my rank cowardice the last ten years. So
Speaker 6: you can find all my cowardice behind the paywall at
Speaker 6: Jaysonnalysis dot com. You can also subscribe to me on YouTube.
Speaker 6: You can find me on X. I'll start Hollywood three
Speaker 6: is available tomorrow, so I'm gonna ship it out starting tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Supposed to get all those cop and threes unique. They
Speaker 6: all stand alone, they all deal with the very different subjects,
Speaker 6: are kind of all different flavors of analysis, but I
Speaker 6: think it's a timely It's the end, pretty much the
Speaker 6: end of Hollywood. Hollywoods kind of dying. It served as
Speaker 6: purpose for propaganda and social toxification. You can check out
Speaker 6: on the X the multiple Info Wars interviews that we
Speaker 6: did basically did three hour three one hour segments on
Speaker 6: different topics. That's on my ex as well, and you
Speaker 6: can look for next week that big interview will be
Speaker 6: dropping dealing with Christian Zionism and other topics.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 6: Our conference is November twentieth and twenty. First, then we
Speaker 6: have a Horror Convention film analysis right before Hollywood, right
Speaker 6: before Halloween November thirtieth in Tampa. You can find that
Speaker 6: on my website as well. I'm sorry as mush where
Speaker 6: So we drove sixteen hours so I feel like a zombie.
Speaker 3: I'm just rambling.
Speaker 4: So if we calculate sixteen hours from South Florida, we
Speaker 4: can figure out who show you were on?
Speaker 6: Well, you can tell I was in Texas, So were
Speaker 6: you really okay? Well to alex Is, Texas. But I
Speaker 6: mean we drove eight hours to day, eight hours to day,
Speaker 6: eight hours a day before, so we yeah, well, yeah
Speaker 6: we figure out if you can figure out. Not Joe Rogan,
Speaker 6: it's not no.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we all got very excited for a second,
Speaker 3: Buck and I we're getting excited.
Speaker 6: No, I think it's going to happen in other Texas,
Speaker 6: other Texas people.
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I can't even think anymore. Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll get louder.
Speaker 6: The good news is that there there will hopefully be more.
Speaker 6: He was very pleased with the conversation, and he would
Speaker 6: like to do more of these conversations.
Speaker 3: Mister Jim Jatress final thoughts, final to let people know.
Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait, what do you final thoughts? The doctor
Speaker 5: said I had six more months.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's later than you think, Jim, it's later that
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 5: I tried to warn you at Jim Jack Attress on X.
Speaker 5: That's my primary platform, my own platform, only platform of
Speaker 5: my own. Other than that, I got nothing, folks.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We did hit that goal. So
Speaker 3: I will do what I do an after show. Keep
Speaker 3: your eyes open for that, just to get a little
Speaker 3: bit of break, and I'll come back on probably do
Speaker 3: some power washing, uh and uh, and we'll chat with
Speaker 3: the folks. Find folks, if you bought your membership, we'll
Speaker 3: put over on a member's stream. Again. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for tuning in, and we are I think we
Speaker 3: almost broke four thousand subs already, So finally, after a
Speaker 3: year of tumultuous year of setbacks and all the rest
Speaker 3: of it, we're back on track. And thank you to
Speaker 3: all the people who've stayed with us all this time.
Speaker 3: We back next week. The plan is to be back
Speaker 3: next week to make this panel show a weekly show
Speaker 3: with different guests, So keep an eye out for that
Speaker 3: and follow me on X to get notifications about that.
Speaker 3: And thank you again all gentlemen. If you just want
Speaker 3: to stick around for a second, I'll just do the
Speaker 3: outro and we'll talk again briefly. Thanks again, folks. I
Speaker 3: am Jason Merinchuk and it's the layers than you think.