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Speaker 1: Using going on something like its sing at ASA's.

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Speaker 2: Theory and see it sting still.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Hello, we got Buck. We got Buck

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in the big screen. Ladies and gentlemen, damis monsieur is

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welcome to Meet the Blessed, a panel show of Orthodox

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Christian commentators, thinkers, and creators and clergy where we get

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together to discuss the intersection of Orthodox Christianity, politics and culture.

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It's like pressed but blessed. Uh. This week we have

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with us a fine selection some of the finest minds

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we can think of I could think of and get together.

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Of course we have Buck Johnson, the creator and host

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Humble narrator, narrator and host of the Counterflow Prodcast, Jim Yatris,

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author of I Try to Warn You, of course, my

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co host on the weekly show Then and Now, which

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we can get a hold of on a maryon Chuck Now,

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and Jay Dyer, who I believe goes without no introductions

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needed with this panel. But gentlemen, I thank you so

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much for joining us. The whole concept of the show

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is a bit like Meet the Press, where we get

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to these gentlemen together to discuss politics, culture, anything that's

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been on their minds or anything that they've been covering

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on their own shows. As it relates. Buck, I'd like

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to start with you because you said that you have

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a rant already saved up, so please let the people

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know all about you and then get right into what

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you want to discuss.

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Speaker 4: Do people still know about meet the Press?

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Speaker 3: It's still it's still going.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know that I want to be isn't

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wasn't Pat Buchannan on there.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit of a boomer reference, but yeah, it

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is that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my favorite generation, my favorite one sitting on this

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panel with us. Yeah, Buck Johnson Counterflow podcast And now

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I was asked by Dissident Media, who is the organize

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organization above my show? That sort of puts it out,

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if you will, can you do a sub stack once

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a month where you write something because we we want

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to see you do that and not just interview people.

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And it's like when you lift weights and you have

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a weakness and your program and you're like, let me

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skip leg day because I'm better at these other things.

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And so writing was not my forte at this junction

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in my life. But I said, well, then if I'm

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not good at it, maybe I'll give it a shot.

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And I woke up one morning with this urge to

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write about something similar that you've sort of referenced, Jason

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many times on your show, with this mushy Christianity sort

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of bubbling up under the surface, and I think, yeah,

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some of that, and I came up with hot Top

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at Christianity. I'm pretty sure that was my spiritual father,

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father Turboqualls. Maybe I sent the whole thing to him

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and he gave me the blessing to put it out,

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and he didn't say, yeah, that was me, but I

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think it was him and Hot Topic. After I released it,

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I thought, now, I don't know if people get that reference,

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because I come from the punk rock subculture and we

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used to make fun of a store in the mall

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that was sort of corporate punk rock for the asses.

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I'm called hot Topic. And after the Charlie Kirk assassination,

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the public execution, it impacted me. I'm a firefighter for

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twenty seven years, and even seeing that still sort of

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messed with me a bit. And then you sort of

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have this lull afterwards and everyone's collecting their thoughts and

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their conspiracy theories, and you see that bounce all around,

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and rightfully so in a way, because they're not releasing

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any information that's very valid or pertinent. But then I

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see these people either that I follow on Twitter or

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that maybe show up somehow in my feed. And obviously

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after twenty twenty, I mean after the Biden administration, the

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culture started to swing right as you sort of predicted,

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and many others did as well. And then you start

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seeing people sort of switch their tune. And then it

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became oh my god, wake up, pray up, and these

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sort of like kind of bumper sticker, hot topic slogans.

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trust in my spiritual life. Basically I don't want to

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name names, but like, why is this bothering me? Am

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I being judgmental? And there's something like off putting about

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some of it. And I'm also not going to name

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names and the influencers, but we've all seen them. There's

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people jumping on bandwagons, and I do think a net

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positive from this, like massive growth, you know, we start seeing.

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but I get it and and then oh my god,

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my true was full. And then it was also happening

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few priests and they said, people like myself and you

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they could sort of call it. Now we're in like

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massive amount of young people was that it's some with

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the Internet, the age of information. As our friend Adam

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Patrick says, there's no excuse to not keep digging for

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the truth. And thank god people like Jay are out

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there on the Alex Jones platform and his own platform

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of course, and m Jim and you Jason two. So

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a small segment of them. There's always like a remnant.

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stopping point on social media. It's like, I'm in the church,

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not the church. I'm in a church. I went to church,

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pray up, bro, And some of that was bugging me

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a little bit. And I'm sort of still navigating how

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to not come across as judgmental and go, well, that's

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not a church, dude. There's like a plexiglass around the

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drum kit and stuff like this, And so I struggle

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with speaking out against that and trying to stay in

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my lane as a layman, basically in the Orthodox Church,

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and then trying to go wait, but keep searching, keep searching,

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because you're sort of in the mall version of Christianity,

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and I hope that you keep looking and not just

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stop here and go Man. Did Charlie Kirk and what

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megachurch and we are chanting and doing worship music and

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something about it hurts for me to see some of

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these things. And so my point with the hot top

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it's like, uh, that's not right, like the all monitor.

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that's just not how things work. But I hope that

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a decent segment of the people searching that are motivated

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by what happened to Charlie Kirk and are finding Christ

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and and and sort of searching for truth can at

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least start looking towards this direction.

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Speaker 3: Jim, any comments on that is worrying for j to

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get back.

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Speaker 5: No, not really. I just want to pick up a

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little bit on the whole Charlie Kirk thing, because you know,

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obviously that had a big impact on a lot of people,

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and a lot of people on the right somehow sort

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rather get back to what Jay has to say first

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and then talk about what my initial thoughts were before

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we get into the back and forth as possible.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, Jim, because I mean, you're the elder here,

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the Elder Jim jodtris you've seen you've you've been in

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the church for the longest on this panel, you've probably

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seen a little bit of the remissions and then the

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these surges. Right from your perspective, is this Oftentimes we

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hear this sort of corollary. This is sort of like

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almost the new Great Awakening, you know, Great Awaking two

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point zero. We've seen sort of revivals in the seventies

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and eighties. Of course that was furloughed, you know, scandals

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in the church, especially the Protestant denominations in the United States. Yes,

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this is sort of like the we'll have to see.

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this is being a suit of almost being set up

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that for another version of that where we have a

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massive influx and it almost seems to be set up

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that way. I don't think we've ever seen an influx

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like this. I mean, all right, let me go ahead

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must have accidentally hit the fast forward button, because it

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seems a lot of things that are going on sort

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of in the framework of what Jay talks about, the

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nexus between geopolitics and religion, whereas again very few people

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are aware that religion doesn't exist in this kind of

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ethereal sphere all by itself, nothing to do with politics,

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and that every political agenda of any sort has got

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its thumb in it somewhere or other, for better or

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of Archbishop Best of Canterbury, and then the Nigerian Church,

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which by the way is bigger than the English Church

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and breaking breaking with it. You've got now when the

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Roman Catholic Church, even even the most ridiculous pig headed

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trad cats, are admitting that Leo is another Francis, And

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you know it's plain as the nose on my face.

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ice block and you know, and doing all that kind

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of stuff. You've got the statement now by the Italian

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bishops about you know, welping. Well, I mean, it's it's

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just not even funny anymore. And what they're all duced

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to now is well, my divorce, my contraception. I mean,

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that's all they've got left to try to hide in

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to avoid the obvious wreck. And I don't know, you know,

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you know, the next pope is going to come along

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and fix stuff. You know, now we're not free from

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this either. Later next month, I suppose, near the end

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of the month, Leo and Bartholome, you we are supposed

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to get to get their nicea to move along on

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their next step of having a common dating of the

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Eastern Pasca, and the next step of concocting some new

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version of Florence, some some new new union. And what

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we seeing in all of this, and not only the

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influx we're having into our church, but how many videos

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do you see out there now? Every every Roman Catholic

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and Protestant out there saying, oh that that Ortho thing

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over there, that's not for you, that's not Western. Paying

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no attention to that man behind the curt you know.

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these things cause you look at the comments. You see

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all these people saying, well, I don't know what this

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So I think I think we're living in a moment

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in that regard. Meanwhile, on the geopolitical front, Okay, you know,

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war with Iran is coming again. That's not gone. And

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you know his twelve twelve day, big beautiful war did

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not solve that. And that's happening at a time when

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more and more Americans, except for most diehard Christian you know,

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idiotized Christian Zionists, are finally seeing that, yeah, we do

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not have the same God, We do not have the

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same faith as as Judaism, as Islam and anybody else.

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with it with with the Venezuela. The American Empire is

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visibly faded, failing at the same time that we're we're

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moving toward an internal crisis. Both spiritually and not too

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and not too distant future, financially, economically, and and uh

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and uh and politically. It's it's all happening at the

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something true that they could hold on to, is in

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a way the precipitate of all these events that are

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Speaker 6: Jay, I'm trying to find I was trying to find

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an unmute button.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was. I was glad to I

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beat buck to it. Sorry that Sorry, go ahead.

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you wouldn't say I'm mute. Dude.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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of the last so far as what we think is

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the one of the last info Wars broadcasts to really

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encourage people to look at Orthodoxy as a solution. So

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and I tried to encourage Alex to to make the

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move to go check out an Orthodox church, and he said,

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I gotta stand up Rino. So I don't know if

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I don't know if you will, but you don't actually

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have to stand up for eight hours, but I said

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more like four, Alex, not eight. But yeah, I'm I'm

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glad to see the surge.

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Speaker 6: I remember again, I'm not anywhere near Jim's cradle situation.

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first wave of guys that began to convert, and a

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think more than people would think that early generation of guys.

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of them are becoming deacons and priests, and some of

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them have already graduated from seminary Jordanville and so forth.

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never expected this was going to happen to you know,

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I'm honored and thankful to the Lord to be a

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part of that. And I think we will see more

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and more waves of this. And as you pointed out,

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really Protestantism in Rome don't have a lot to offer,

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and even there open voices are kind of becoming more

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and more drown out because they just keep spinning their

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wheels because every time they try to do something. There's

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a massive issue, you know, with the papacy or with

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you know, lesbian bishops or whatever, so it's becoming more

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and more difficult people defend those those systems, and of

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when people understand the decentralized nature of Orthodoxy, it's a

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little more amenable to what they're looking for. And I

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think also it's time to resuscitate the discord because you know,

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it got up to about twelve thousand people in there

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now and I took time off from it, but I

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think young guys really need this, and it's time to

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really focus on helping young guys look in this direction.

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I've kind of shied away from that because I didn't

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really feel like I was that kind of a person

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to be a dude to point young guys in the

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in the right direction or whatever. But that it's already happened,

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so it's too late, So time to do it. Time

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to continue to work pushing young guys. You know, there

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is another issue too, which Jamie and I have talked

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a lot about and my priests as well. We learn

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know how to reach the young girls. We'll figure that

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out in one way I think you know that came

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up with Ludwell. Eventually, as the guys convert, the girls will,

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but there still needs to be some means of trying

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to reach those people. But you know, we've got a

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big conference coming up. It's not as big as lud Well,

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but it's We've already sold more tickets than we've sold

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in any event ever. And I think we're going to

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keep having more and more blowout Orthodox conferences that are

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just going to be excellent hubs that solve some of

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the problems. For example, one of the number one problems

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that comes up is guys and girls. Where do I

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meet a girl? Where do I meet a guy? Well,

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come to an Orthodox conference. It's one of one of

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your best bets because if you don't see an Orthodox

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spouse potential at a local parish, you might have to

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go to a conference. So I apologize we've been driving

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a lot monds a little bit mush, but I'm rambly,

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but I think, yeah, this is you know, it's all

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divine providence. The timing is amazing for what's happening, and

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I think it's just going to keep exploding. I'm very

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excited and as we've been saying the joke I made

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a long time ago. I think I made this joke

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in twenty seventeen. The papacy is the best of the

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Orthodox apologists, so they're just going to keep sending.

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Speaker 3: Them our way.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to that conference, Jake, if you do, you

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want to talk about what it is, because everyone's going

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to go, wait, what's you talking about?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Sorry, yeah. If you go to my Twitter or my website,

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there's some links there. It's the Athens in Jerusalem Conference

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and it's going to be a focus on Orthodox philosophy

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of life. So it's not philosophy in some boring technical sense,

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it's the philosophy of life. Metropolitan Jonah will speak, Father Vladimir,

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my priest will speak. He's very well tuned to the

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history of esthetics. He's taught art at the Florence School

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of Art before, so he's he's great. And he goes

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into imagine if Dan Brown wasn't faking gay and it

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was actually cool, That's what my priest does. He goes

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into like really good symbolic deconstructions of artwork. Uh, and

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he's not faking gay, He's actually real and straight. So

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the decoding is taught Notch and uh yeah, he's going

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to talk about that. I'll be talking about a derivation

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of what I talked about at Ludbell of something a

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little more precise and specific. I think my talk will

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be longer than the Ludwell talk. We got Father Deacon

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doctor Annonayas will be talking about Orthodox philosophy and epistemology.

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We've got my wife will be talking about the history

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of ancient Paganism making a return with the trans movement

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and whatnot. Doctor David Patrick Harry will be there. He

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will be speaking on his book Orthodoxy and transhuman So

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all of those areas will I think overlap very well.

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I'm not sure what Metropalton Jones is going to speak on,

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but it'll be relevant. And that is a two day

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conference November twentieth and twenty first, and we're kind of

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almost at peak capacity, so there's probably not a few

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not that many more spots left, So if you do

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want to come, you better hurry.

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Speaker 3: I'll just take a break to eventually get a chat

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what Georgia to.

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Speaker 5: Talk to me online after the conference.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what their plan is. I do think

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for the Vladimir is recording it he has a guy

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who's pretty good, the geographer, but I'm not sure what

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their plan is. Possibly possibly.

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Speaker 3: Just briefly just for the chat. Of course, it's okay

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send us to your comments and questions or anything else

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you want to be to read out. I will do

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so as a super chat or send it over on

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a stream. Lab is usually the best way of doing it,

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so it avoids the YouTube haircut. The the other thing

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I would like to talk about, gentlemen, since we're talking

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about Christianity, sorry, the Roman Catholics, UH and Orthodoxy, the

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coming together, possibly at least in conversations. What do you

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guys think about the about jd Vance visiting visiting the UH,

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meeting with his beatitude Patriarch, Theoptopius the third in Jerusalem.

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I'll share this second year.

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Speaker 6: Jason. I don't know if this is up to you,

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but you're really loud, and Jim is really really low

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for me, but I don't know if that's on the

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stream as well or just on here.

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Speaker 5: Oh cluck louder.

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Speaker 3: Scream at me.

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Speaker 4: The proximity of to the mic, it was quite quite.

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Speaker 5: Closer.

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Speaker 3: How's that get closer? There we go, Jim H. So

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this is from the Orthodox. It sounds a bit better. Yeah, uh,

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this is from the Orthodox Christianity. Post Patriarch Jerusalem receives

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JD vance VP vans At at Holy Sepulature. This is

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of course, when JD was visiting Israel, which finds I

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find it interesting he kind of, as far as I know,

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did not go to the Wall, did not get the

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photog photograph of the wall. Instead went to the Holy

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uh Sepulture to meet with the Orthodox, with the Orthodox

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priests there.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is not the first time this has been happening.

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Of course, we have Bartholomew meeting with sim of this,

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Bartholomew meeting with Trump at the White House a few

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months ago. So of course we brought up the the

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possibility of e communism. This is where Jim corrects me

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on how I pronounce things, So please, Jim, don't hold back.

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We have that sort of possible possibility of the meeting

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of the minds, let's say. And of course there's been

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some sort of talk about possible schisms with ROCORP, the

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Russian Orthodoxy, Russian Orthodox churches. Any thoughts on that, gentleman,

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as we're seem to have these things kind of come

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into focal point. What are your general thoughts of having

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a Roman Catholic as possible the next president of the

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United States.

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Speaker 4: I'll defer to Jim for sure on this.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's start with I don't know what's

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going to happen between Patriarch Bartholomew and Pope Leo. This

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very well could turn into a dud like Create twenty sixteen,

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where they have big plans, and maybe the pope it

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changes the dating of the Easter for the Roman Catholics

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because obviously Bartholme you can't do anything about how the

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Orthodox calculated Pasca. So if anybody's going to make a change,

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it has to be Leo. The bigger question is, even

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if they do that, even if Leo says, oh, okay,

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from now on, we're going to use the Orthodox reckoning

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of Easter, where does that get them that? How do

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they move the ball forward after that? And even if

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they try, okay, they they've got the template, it's you know,

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it will be exactly like Florence. They've got this new

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document out study document from the papacy about the different

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kinds of roles that the papacy plays. You know, he's

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the Bishop of Rome. He's the patriarch of the West,

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he's the supreme teacher of all Christians, et cetera, et cetera.

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And I think they're setting this up to say, Okay,

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how much pop do you want? We can accommodate anything

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you want. You want one hundred percent Pope. You could

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be a Roman Catholic. That's great. You only want eighty percent.

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You only want first among equals. Hey, we can handle

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that too. The orthonox can have first among equals if

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they want. Well, you only want forty five percent Pope.

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You're a Protestant, just the biggest denomination. No problem, we

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can do that too. Oh you're a Hindu, you only

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want twenty percent of Pope. Hey, we can do that too.

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And of course they've got this big syncretic thing going

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on at the Vatican, so I think there's an agenda there.

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I'm not sure they're going to be able to move

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it along. I think again, the bigger question I have

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in mind is where does this fit into the agendas

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of all the string pullers in the geopolitical world. I mean,

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we know, for example, that you know, the CIA, as

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Jays talked about, has had their hooks into the Vatican,

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you know, since deep into the Cold War, and the

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same thing happened with the Fanar in nineteen forty eight.

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If if JD vance and look, I'll give him the

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bet of the doubt. If he's a very very pious

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Roman Catholic, very sincere, he goes to the Holy Suppulcher

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instead of to the wall, that's great. But also you

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think about Peter Tiel Pallaunteer.

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Speaker 3: You know, what are the.

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Speaker 5: Political strings being pulled behind the scenes out of the

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best of circumstances. I'm not saying we can bastically figure

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all this out, but I think we need to be

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aware that there's more there than meets the eye.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 4: I actually want to defer to Jay because I have thoughts.

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There's people in the comments that talk about JD's wife

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and all these things, and it just keeps making me think,

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focus on yourself, not someone else's wife. But I want

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to let Jay speak on this too.

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Speaker 3: Well, just to throw it to Jay, because if you

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know your last appearance on Alex Jones, you brought up

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the Changing Images of Man book, which I download a PDF,

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and I think a lot of people have reached out

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in my comments and said they did the same thing,

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and just from your cursory what you've laid out on

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his show, it was like, ah, there it is right.

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Like a lot of the things that I've been talking

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on the show and many others. We've been talking about

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the edges because it seems like we're getting this sort

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of transmission and we're trying to figure out what's coming

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through the news, and then all of a sudden you

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bring this up and it's like, well, there it is, right,

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00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,119
Like there's the foundations and this is kind of what

475
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,240
we're picking up. It's not we're starting to see the

476
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:15,599
plan come into fruition. So maybe you can talk about

477
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,599
that a little bit, Jay, because that seems to be

478
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,599
this intersection between not only just Roman Catholic religion all

479
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,839
the rest of it, but with this sort of technocratic

480
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,640
plan that's certainly Elon Musk, Peter, theeld jd Vance, the

481
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:37,119
PayPal mafia, that whole connection is starting to come into focus,

482
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,799
I think a bit more well.

483
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,279
Speaker 6: On the issue of the ep in Rome. Some clergy

484
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,240
have reached out to me, and this is not confirmed,

485
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:52,920
but they have heard that there's already been communion, so

486
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,519
they've already participated at the ep in some form of

487
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,960
communion together with Roman Catholics in terms of the Eucharist,

488
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,759
but again that's not confirmed. But the thesis from a

489
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,279
very prominent priest that was explaining this to me was

490
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:12,000
that they may just essentially in line with what Jim

491
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,359
was saying. And I remember that I read that papal

492
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,519
document and did a podcast on it. The one that

493
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,720
can kind of offers like it's like sales options, like

494
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,640
you can get the full PayPal package you want the

495
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,920
you know, discount papal package that's eighty percent papacy, and

496
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:36,160
then the economy package of papacy which is forty percent.

497
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:41,480
But yeah, that the thesis, and this seems plausible to me,

498
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,119
is that they're going to basically already start communing and

499
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,680
doing it and then announce it's already happened. We've already

500
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,440
entered into a union of some sort, so just get

501
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,119
over it. That's his thesis, and he's a very wise,

502
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:04,640
perceptive priest that told me that arch priest. So that

503
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,759
seems to be in line with the sort of subtle,

504
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,440
subversive ways that they go about these things, because they're

505
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,559
not going to attempt a union on the basis of

506
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,279
truth it's got to be a union on the basis

507
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:21,319
of these sort of Hegelian ideas like diapraxis or these

508
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:26,400
where you sort of dialogue to some future, unknown synthesis conclusion.

509
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,200
There's not a right or wrong, it's we're all on

510
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,680
a journey to come to the future unified church. That

511
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,000
kind of underlies all the acumenist stuff is the sort

512
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,119
of Hegelian process philosophy, and so that's what they're committed to,

513
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,759
and they're just going to act like there was a

514
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,279
union and anyone who's questioning it or rejecting it as

515
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,039
divisive and a problem. So that's probably what they're going

516
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:53,799
to do, because as we know, they're really not doing

517
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:56,960
this on the basis of theologies. It's geopolitical power moves

518
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,240
that are the basis of it. I don't know what

519
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,559
to make of Vance, and I've never I've not really

520
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,039
followed much of JD.

521
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,559
Speaker 3: Vance.

522
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 6: I know all the you know, sort of Peter Thiel

523
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,160
and Christian nationalism connections, and I'm familiar with all that,

524
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,200
but politics pretty boring to me. I guess I'm gonna

525
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,519
have to talk about it, though, because everybody talks about politics,

526
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:22,519
it's the religion of America next to football, but then

527
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,319
to get the changing image as a man. So I

528
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,359
don't ramble too much. Yeah, this was the interesting text

529
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,759
that's It's been around kind of in the conspiracy alternative

530
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:34,559
media research world for a long time. I first heard

531
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,279
about this in the two thousands, and it was a

532
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,160
really long, boring PDF. And I hate PDFs. I absolutely

533
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,880
despise them. I refuse to read long PDFs. I will

534
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,039
go and have them printed out at the print shop

535
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,720
because I just will not read a PDF. And this

536
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:53,160
book has been out of print and just almost impossible

537
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,039
to get. And then lo and behold, a young college

538
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:01,559
man sends me this two thousand dollars book which you

539
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,039
cannot find anywhere. I guess he found that at probably

540
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,720
I think a discarded library book sale. And I don't

541
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:13,200
think that this was sent as an active book because

542
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,440
like in circulation. Because my university essentially got rid of

543
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,000
all their books, which blew me away. I went to

544
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,880
check out the library not too long ago, and it

545
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,480
was a really awesome library in Murray State ten years ago,

546
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,359
and now it's they've cleared out probably seventy percent of

547
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,640
the books and all are There's one little, tiny Marxist section.

548
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:35,039
Speaker 3: That's it.

549
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 6: So all that's necessary, I guess, is just Marxism. It's

550
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,119
a foregone conclusion that we just were all going to

551
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,519
be Marxist in the future anyway. But this is one

552
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,079
of those elite textbooks that seems to be you know,

553
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,480
it's a Stanford Research policy text, system Science and World Order,

554
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,200
Explorations of World Order. It's put together by people like

555
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:03,359
Joseph Campbell Ow Markley, people from the CIA, people from

556
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,720
you know, Harvard, all these different elite universities, Ivy League schools,

557
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,759
and it kind of presents what they think is the

558
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,839
way to socially engineer America a certain in nineteen eighty two,

559
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,200
to get to the technocratic future. And so a lot

560
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,799
more of the book dealt with the religion of the

561
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,720
future than I expected. You could look at this as

562
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,640
I'm sure everybody's familiar with Father Seraph and Rose's book

563
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,839
Orthodox in their Religion in the Future. Well, that religion

564
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440
the future part is this, This is it. This is

565
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:38,279
from the top of the establishment. This is what you know,

566
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,680
people like Kissinger, you know that at that level would

567
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,160
be reading this kind of a text. A lot of

568
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,920
the same people from the Frankfurt School, a lot of

569
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,720
people involved in esoteric and occult studies at Stanford Research.

570
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,680
That might sound a little out there, but that's what

571
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,680
this book is about. So as with most of these texts,

572
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,920
with the idea of oh, we're all in a crisis,

573
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,200
a crisis, a crisis overpopulation, nuclear weapons.

574
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: What are we going to do?

575
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,159
Speaker 6: Oh, well, I guess we're going to have to institute

576
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,199
a technocratic socialist policy where we dumb everybody down and

577
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,519
create a post industrial world. Well, how do we get

578
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:20,000
to a post industrial world when you still have a

579
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,360
lot of people, even in the early eighties who were

580
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,719
in some sense Christian or had some notion of you know,

581
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,719
Western civilization based ideas, And so the book is essentially

582
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,199
about that, cultivating new archetypes to program both the conscious

583
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,480
and the subconscious mind. And that's actually what it says,

584
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,800
to bring them into some future incote new religion that

585
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,519
could be crafted by the priests class and the scientific

586
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,079
the scientism class. And so it goes very in depth,

587
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,559
way more in depth than I expected, in fact, into

588
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:01,199
worldview warfare, into presuppositional worldview foundations.

589
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: I did not expect that to be there.

590
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 6: Thomas Kuhne structure designed to revolution all of that plays

591
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
a heavy role, and just to kind of bring it

592
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,800
full circle and all shut up is there's actually chapters

593
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:21,199
on LSD psychedelics, float tanks, and contacting entities as part

594
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,079
of spiritual enlightenment, aliens, all of that's part of this.

595
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,599
And they there's basically two chapters that does nothing but

596
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:36,199
site mk ultroductors. So it's John C. Lilly, it's Jose Dolgado,

597
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,440
Carl Young. I mean he's not necessarily well he is

598
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:41,480
actually kind of an mk ultroductor.

599
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,079
Speaker 5: But.

600
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what it is.

601
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 6: And then it kind of culminates. I'm just giving the

602
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,960
overview culminates and basically saying that, well, the religion in

603
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,079
the future will be a perennialist religion kind of what

604
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,039
Alda Suxey wrote in his book Perennialism, and it'll be

605
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:57,840
some kind of something like imagine Joe Rogan as a

606
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,760
techno shaman.

607
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:03,639
Speaker 3: That's the future, that's the religion of the future. Yeah,

608
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:09,360
it's interesting now seeing people react to the psychedelic intrusions

609
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,079
or the gateways. Now it's it's finally kind of getting

610
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,760
a little bit of traction. I think that the mainstreaming

611
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,400
of demons has been a really interesting thing this year,

612
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,679
where suddenly everyone's just talking about demons, and even the

613
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,000
left are reacting to it, like what the right wing's

614
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,239
talking about demons? Now We're like, yes, we're talking about demons.

615
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,079
And I think the Charlie Kirk assassination kind of put

616
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,159
that in the in the forefront, and of course then

617
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,400
calling into question about DMT.

618
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 6: Here's a chart and right there, Contacting entities is very

619
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:52,280
crucial to this process higher levels of awareness, functioning, meta programs,

620
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,239
transcendence of time and space, et cetera, contact with the

621
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,719
spiritual entities.

622
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want to do with how

623
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:06,079
you this? We see what you guys do with this?

624
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,920
Because of course we know from the Orthodox traditions that

625
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,880
gifts of clairvoyance and uh, you know, other other miracles,

626
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,000
let's say, other gifts are I wouldn't say common, but

627
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,119
they're they're certainly not rare within the within within monasteries

628
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,159
and within a certain saints. This seems to be like

629
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,360
what you're detailing here, Jay, is that they're aware of this,

630
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,599
but they think it's biological, like they think it's somehow

631
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,360
in here and they're trying to biohacket to get to

632
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,480
hear they don't really want to believe in the hole.

633
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,760
It comes from God and only comes from God. Therefore

634
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,119
there must be some sort of biological hacks.

635
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 6: Well, actually, this this text is not an atheistic text

636
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,320
at all. In fact, that relies heavily on Hinduism. There's

637
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,840
a lot of bagavad gitas right references, citations, and so

638
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:57,199
God is the within, God is all things. It says

639
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,119
that multiple times. And so they do believe in and

640
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,199
sort of contacting higher realms. But that's the realm of

641
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960
you know, Atman and Brahman and all that stuff. That's

642
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,679
what they actually say, which is very prescient in terms

643
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,119
of what Father surfm Rose said, because he said Hinduism

644
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,800
is really crucial to the religion of the future, and

645
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:21,000
maybe that's why they bring so many Hindus into the West.

646
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,679
Speaker 4: There's sort of a groundwork too, if you can make

647
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,119
a synergy synergistic effect between like if you take the

648
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,599
hot top at Christianity and the ecumenism of Look, this

649
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,559
martyr was publicly executed. We're all coming to the church,

650
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,920
We're all coming to Jesus. At this point, it doesn't matter,

651
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,320
you know, how you get there. I'm this that, I'm that.

652
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,880
You guys have your thing, but we're all coming there

653
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,800
at the same time. When a massive portion of the

654
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,599
female population is looking into I'm spiritual not religious and

655
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,639
doing birth chart readings or or you know, psychic blah

656
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:04,679
blah blah New Age stuff and sort of that can

657
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,960
flow into the same thing. And then the men on

658
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,679
the Joe Rogan side and Aaron Rodgers the quarterback, and

659
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,679
these sort of alpha males that we may look up

660
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,239
to are going like, well, dude, I took this DMT

661
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,960
trip and I did this, and I contacted these spirits.

662
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,960
This is a spiritual age. You guys like the New

663
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,880
atheists or a joke. At this point, they're gone, this

664
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,960
is a spiritual age. And so you've got this culmination

665
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:32,599
of like the female perspective of like reading tarot cars

666
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,840
and finding psychics and Eastern mysticism, and the males doing like, oh,

667
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,880
I'm doing DMT like Rogan and these badass dudes alpha's

668
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,320
And then Charlie Kirk gets murdered, and we're also going

669
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,360
to all kinds of churches, and that's how we find

670
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,159
the afterlife and that's what's important. That's what Charlie wanted, guys.

671
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,920
And then here we are at this sort of like

672
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,400
still what seems to be in relation to the rest

673
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,000
of it, like fringe, even though we're grow going for sure,

674
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,199
and some of that worries me, like that that dichotomy

675
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,119
of like we're in the church and all of these

676
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:12,559
things are going around. It's not atheists per se, but

677
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:17,719
it's certainly spiritual and it seems negative in my thoughts.

678
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: I think brief just briefly before we get to comments

679
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,199
from Jay or Jim, it seems to me that it's

680
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,159
it's directional, so it's a lot of people going into

681
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:30,599
the church. And this is kind of my prediction of

682
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:33,360
the Neotroads kind of mush Christianity, is that people are

683
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,400
what they really want is redemption, but they'll settle for

684
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,880
forgiveness and what they're trying to take from things. They're

685
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,119
going to the church to get something from it, but

686
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,400
not realize that you have to give, you have to

687
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,960
give to get, and I think that's where they're gonna

688
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:55,960
get get it sort of screwed up there in that

689
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,639
sort of what mush Christianity will present for its present

690
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,400
to them is sort of like everyone's we're all one,

691
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,239
and you can get forgiveness and you can get some

692
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,440
sort of community and all the rest of it, and

693
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:08,880
you don't have to do anything. You just have to

694
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,400
show up to church and maybe read the book and

695
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,960
become really annoying at saying blessing that before dinner, just.

696
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: Like the left has done for the past since I've

697
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,400
been into politics. You don't have to do anything. But

698
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,880
if you say I have a black square on my profile,

699
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,880
I'm look at me, I have a bumper sticker slogan,

700
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,159
I'm doing something. It's like the meme like I'm doing

701
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,880
a thing or whatever, and it's like yeah. And so

702
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,119
if the culture swings right and some of those people

703
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,360
swing this way and they're like, well, now here's my

704
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:45,639
picture in front of a neon sign at my church. Again,

705
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,159
I really hate sometimes speaking out about this because I

706
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,000
don't want to sound judgmental. It's more that I'm lying

707
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,239
caution out there, like just these are traps and just

708
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:04,039
because it seems spiritual or holy or involved in a

709
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,599
church does not mean that it's necessarily like the demons

710
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,840
aren't just like feeding you some suggestions out there to do.

711
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: Jim.

712
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly right. I mean, look, I mean,

713
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,159
how do I put this. I think so much of

714
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,039
what's going on now in most people's minds, you know,

715
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:28,760
if you know basically this sort of normy right left stuff,

716
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,559
you know, it's all about Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives.

717
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,440
The culture is swinging right. I don't think it's quite

718
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,199
that simple. Okay, you find you got the you know,

719
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,440
the septum ring blue haired people on the other side

720
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,639
and people who on at least quote our side, are

721
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,519
superficially more normal. But I'm afraid that a lot of

722
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,440
this is just a manipulation by different wings of the

723
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:57,199
same ruling establishment that one way or the other they want.

724
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,559
It's kind of you might call it political, but for

725
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,440
any perennialism, we're getting to the same place anyway, and

726
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,920
except it'll be conservative values, will be conservative control mechanism

727
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,880
rather than you know, the woke you know, Skittles colored one,

728
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,360
which won't be going away either. I mean, I I

729
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:19,519
just and by the way, I think this also is

730
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:23,159
going to possibly manifest itself in the Church, especially if

731
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:26,239
there is some kind of a creeping union with Rome,

732
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,280
given the kind of politics we have. You know, which

733
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,280
which Orthodoxy are you Greek creation, you know it would

734
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,039
have been Moscow and Constantinople. Is that Yeah, I could

735
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,199
even see a circumstance where there's the good Orthodox Church

736
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,039
that fits in with all the new values and the

737
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,679
new political agenda that answers to the US government and

738
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,239
the bad Orthodox who are all a bunch of Russian bots.

739
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,320
Uh and uh, you know there could be consequences for that.

740
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,840
So I always I don't think we can take any

741
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,480
necessity face value. By the way, the other thing is

742
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,440
it strikes me too, you know, during the Kouth and

743
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,400
obviously climate changing a lot, we believe the science, trust

744
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,000
the science. I think that's so passe. I mean, none

745
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,719
of that is real anymore. I mean, you know, for example,

746
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:11,639
now that you know the evolution basically is not even

747
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,840
viable anymore, they've resorted to magic, you know, multi verses.

748
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:22,079
So it's all past rationalism and science as we knew

749
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,239
it'd say, in the nineteenth century, and they're basically engaging

750
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,639
in magic. And that's where you also get the religion

751
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,039
of the future coming into this. And and by the way,

752
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,920
there is a real power there. I mean, remember when

753
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,480
Moses was turning a staff into a serpent, and well,

754
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,719
Janis and jambra Is, the magicians of Egypt, they could

755
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,039
do the same things, except they did it through the

756
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:44,639
dark arts rather than through the power of God. So

757
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,639
let's not kid ourselves that there is a real spiritual

758
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:51,559
presence out there. One footnote, by the way, because they're dressed,

759
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,559
is one in the chat. If there is some kind

760
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,880
of a union of Rome, remember from the Roman Catholic

761
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,320
point of view, we already are in communion with that.

762
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,400
You know, you go to a Catholic chur you look

763
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,320
at the missile there. It says Orthodox can receive communion

764
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,599
there if it's in keeping with the discipline of their

765
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:08,639
own church, which by the way, it's not. But from

766
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,599
their point of view, unity means submission to Rome. It

767
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:18,679
doesn't mean eucharistic unity, unity of faith, somatic union, unity

768
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,119
through through the Eucharist, the sacraments in the common faith,

769
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,880
for which for us community is the culmination of that unity.

770
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,519
For them, it's a mean unity. So for them to

771
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,320
invite us to communion, for Orthodox bishops or patriarchs to

772
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,559
communion with them, that's perfectly in keeping with with Rome's theology,

773
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,559
and as long as we're willing to do that, Yeah,

774
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,400
I think Jay's right. We could find ourselves easy easily

775
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,599
creeping in to that kind of unity unity. I guess

776
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,639
the question is when it becomes public. That's where it

777
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,760
puts the other autocephalist churches on on on the spot.

778
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,079
Because of say barthol Uses I am now communing with

779
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,199
Pope Leo. The other the other churches really then have

780
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,400
to decide. They'll either have to decide I'm going to

781
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:10,159
keep communion with marthol Umu, which even if they don't

782
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,079
themselves directly commune with the papacy, means that they're inconvenient

783
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:16,000
with Rome, or at some point they have to say no,

784
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,679
I guess I have to break communion with Constantinople like

785
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,639
they did after Floor Prince in fourteen thirty nine. So

786
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:26,000
I don't think. I think they can try to play

787
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,480
the sneaky route up to a certain point. But once

788
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:32,679
they reach a certain point, people are going to have

789
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,480
to stand up and be counted and the house will divide,

790
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,119
and I think it'll be a very ugly schizm.

791
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:41,639
Speaker 3: Jay, I'd like to hear your thoughts on that before

792
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Just to add on a little bit with this game.

793
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,280
Going back to your Alex Jones appearance. One thing that

794
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,880
you mentioned that I actually literally fist pumped about two

795
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,519
or three times, because it's something that I've been trying

796
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:57,000
to drill into people's heads, especially about the tiny hats

797
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:01,119
and how people are being overly focused on the tiny hats,

798
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,880
and I think Nick Fuentes and a few other people

799
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:05,800
kind of play their role on that, And what I've

800
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,320
been trying to say to people repeatedly is that yes,

801
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:12,039
they play a role there, there are there. You know,

802
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,599
we can we can certainly discuss them and Zionism and

803
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,280
all the rest of it, but it's not just them.

804
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,239
That this thing is much bigger and much more complicated

805
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,039
and involves a lot more people than just one group

806
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,679
of people out in the out in the in the

807
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,360
Middle East or in the city of London or the

808
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,800
rest of it. So thank you for that, And I

809
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,079
don't know, maybe you could add a little bit of

810
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:38,199
that and with with with a response to Jim, well.

811
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:41,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for us it's it's it's Orthodoxy first, uh,

812
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,800
not America first, and you know, we can have America second.

813
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,639
Something like that if you're really you know, politically savvy,

814
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,239
and you're into that, but I don't think for any

815
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,920
of us we would ever make the political first. And

816
00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:00,719
that's really I think it echoes the attitude of Rome

817
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,159
as well. Rome is actually politics first, it's actually power first.

818
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,000
That was the whole ethos of Rome, back to Gregory

819
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,519
the seventh and Dick Tatus Pape in those eleventh century

820
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:18,760
reforms prepared the way for a entirely essentially political papacy

821
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,159
that we've had for a thousand years, all the way

822
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,920
up till now. And once you understand that, it all

823
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:30,000
kind of makes sense. So I don't know what, you know,

824
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,559
what's going to come out of that. I think Jim's

825
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:35,960
right that a covert union is just kind of done

826
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,559
in the background to wait, to kind of circumvent people,

827
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,079
sort of throwing a curveball in surprise, a bait and switch.

828
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:49,000
Oh sorry, were you already in communion with Rome? Be

829
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,119
sure you want to leave? You're already in commune with Rome.

830
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,800
So they will announce it, but you know how that'll

831
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,960
come about. We don't know or when that will happen,

832
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,880
but they probably won't make that move until they feel like,

833
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,599
you know, there's enough supporters behind it, and people like

834
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,119
myself or any other people, the voices that are out

835
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,400
there have to be just constantly demonized, and like Jim said,

836
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,920
there will be consequences for that eventually, because they're just

837
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,559
going to say, oh, you all work for Putin. I mean,

838
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,320
just this week, after that Alex Jones appearance, you know,

839
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,599
there's quite a bit of a you know, pro NATO,

840
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,679
pro tiny mustache man contingent across Twitter that was precisely

841
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,440
saying that we know Dier is an FSB agent and

842
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,559
all this nonsense. So that's already you know, they've already

843
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,159
been saying that kind of stuff in the far right,

844
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,719
you know, or what I call the gay right, which

845
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,559
is like the NATO Ukraine sort of the gay right.

846
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:48,400
The gay right is you know, already kind of a

847
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:52,559
captured entity, some of the sort of neo not you know,

848
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:57,280
the neo tiny mustache man people on Twitter, not all

849
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,320
the tradecats, because there's a lot of tradcats that are

850
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,679
not part of a gay right per se openly. But

851
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:06,760
so yeah, I don't know what where that's going to go,

852
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,639
but it'll probably lead to persecution. I mean, that's probably

853
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:13,079
where we're headed, and that'll be another winnowing fan to

854
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,960
you know, separate week from chaff because a lot of

855
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,360
people were converting in twenty twenty and then we got

856
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,400
the KUP and that drove a lot of people away.

857
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,519
A lot of people had a very hard time converting

858
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,559
during that time period. I had a hard time finding

859
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:31,719
churches that even wanted converts. So, you know, we have

860
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,039
a two pronged attack. If if we had faithful bishops

861
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,119
and clergy across the board, we could actually win this

862
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,519
whole cultural work. We would dominate. I mean, we've only

863
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:47,719
seen an inkling of what could happen. But if we

864
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,519
put politics and Americanism and all this kind of nonsense first,

865
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,719
then Jesus says, you will be You'll be trampled upon.

866
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,599
So you can either have the upper hand and dominate

867
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,199
the culture and Orthodoxy will dominate the culture of people

868
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,760
believe it and keep it, or it'll be trodden under

869
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,880
and you suffer the you know, potential loss of your

870
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,519
lamp stand as relation two and threesa as the covenant

871
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,800
curses come upon you when you say, oh, you know,

872
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,760
we're going to put Americanism first. I've met so many

873
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,960
you know, OCA domain people that not all and there's

874
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,119
many great OCA priests and people, but many of them

875
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,079
actually believe America comes first in the sense of like liberalism.

876
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,639
They'll commune the tier, the trands, the gay, the all

877
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,800
of that. All they'll do that before anything else. So

878
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,280
that's for them, that's.

879
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,079
Speaker 4: First.

880
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 6: It's like America first, politics first, gay first?

881
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: Right, is it?

882
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,679
Speaker 6: What about orthodoxy first?

883
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,119
Speaker 3: Yeah?

884
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,519
Speaker 4: I think some of the stuff that gets my eye

885
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:58,760
up maybe about the somewhat positive reaction again to Kirk's

886
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:07,119
public execution, is it sort of gets funneled griptors take

887
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,519
advantage of this energy and funnel it into their own things.

888
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,280
And it's like, yes, he was America first.

889
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: I wasn't.

890
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 4: I never really, to be honest, listened to Charlie Kirk

891
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,480
aware of him now, of course I was aware of him.

892
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:23,360
Then again, I would not want to see anyone, even

893
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,880
Rachel Maddow done that way publicly, but the instinct and

894
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,599
I had to get over this myself. I was an atheist,

895
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,320
I was an n CAP A libertarian before I was Orthodox,

896
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:43,360
and I sort of had the weird experience to make

897
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:49,239
this transition publicly over a podcast. And you have to

898
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,760
quit worrying if you were in the mindset that I

899
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:58,719
was in, what's going to save America? Because if you're Orthodox,

900
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,599
that that's the beginning, that's everything, that's the worldview, that's

901
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:08,679
how that's us. And to worry about, well, now I'm American, dude, Like,

902
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,880
who's going to be the best for this country? How

903
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,239
can liberty prevail? All of these things that I concern

904
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,639
myself with that all comes and goes, and when you're

905
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,880
on your deathbed, you're not going to be like, man,

906
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,119
I wish that one senator would have been elected because

907
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:26,920
we drug laws would have been this or that. It's

908
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:30,079
like empires come and go. I don't know where ours

909
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,000
is in the in the grand scheme of things, but

910
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,400
I do know the Orthodox Church has been here since

911
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,559
the beginning. And so I've tried to put my lust

912
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,199
for talking about politics. I'm still fascinated with it. It's

913
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,559
still going to be a guilty pleasure of mine, but man,

914
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,320
that's not very important. And the grand scheme of things,

915
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,599
even if things go to shit and my pension goes

916
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:57,480
poorly with the fire department and whatnot, like I have

917
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,440
the Orthodox Church, and so I'm trying to put out

918
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:06,239
there like quit worrying. So much about like, man, if

919
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,079
all we have, we at least need public debates on

920
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,960
which who has the best ideas and freedom of speech.

921
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,519
I don't even the term freedom of speech. The old

922
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:18,599
me is cringing right now. But even that sort of

923
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:23,639
makes me turned off. Now I would put out there

924
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,480
just be careful being so obsessed with politics that you're

925
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,760
worried about everything Trump does, everything, he says, everything his

926
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,159
detractors say, because you're getting lost in this weird sauce

927
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,199
of things that aren't necessarily important when the church is

928
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,199
the foundation of everything that we believe and has been

929
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,280
here since the beginning and will outlive America. You know,

930
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,360
if this if we're around, if this planet's around for

931
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,519
another thousand years, there's things won't even look the same,

932
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:56,199
but the Church will be the same for a fact.

933
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,599
And so I'm trying to put that out there too.

934
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,519
And this sort of fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination,

935
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:05,239
it's like, well, we're all America. First, we found Christ,

936
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,039
We're going to church. It's like, Okay, what direction are

937
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,159
you headed in with this? Is it like so you

938
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,920
can be on the political right and we can get

939
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,079
some wins here, or is it that you like, take

940
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,960
this sort of garb off yourself and face how shitty

941
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,079
of a person you are, like we all are, and like,

942
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:28,679
now focus on me, and what does this mean for myself,

943
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,440
my family, my future, not necessarily like who gets elected next.

944
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:39,199
Speaker 6: In Hagi won the Israelites are chastised because they're concerned

945
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,960
with their economics, they're concerned with politics. And the House

946
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,519
of the Temple is in ruins, it's falling apart, and

947
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,320
God says, why have you not put my house first?

948
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,440
You put all your other business affairs first, And that's

949
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,840
why he says. You put your savings into a bag,

950
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:01,880
and the bag stays empty. So it's that money was inflating.

951
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,119
That's what I think that means. So you're losing your money.

952
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,480
You're working for this stuff that's not it's not working.

953
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: And why is that?

954
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,119
Speaker 6: Well, you've got the wrong things first, right, seek first

955
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:14,960
the Kingdom of God, and these other things will be added.

956
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,199
So the Roman Empire wasn't conquered by the first and

957
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,679
second century Christians being tactical and trying to find all

958
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,280
the senators and to convert the Roman emperor and all

959
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,360
this kind of stuff like that came in time when

960
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:32,199
you know it's spread through the empire. So I just

961
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,639
think it's wrong headed. And also, as I'm sure Jim

962
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,079
knows better the name of us, he's been in the

963
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,039
world of politics. You know, it's all about lobbying and

964
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:41,719
all that. I mean, you don't really have a lot

965
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,159
of effect in politics if you don't have a lot

966
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:47,679
of money. I mean, that's my sense of politics. It's

967
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,719
a rich man's game unless you're Larry Ellison and Elon

968
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,039
and all these billionaires. I mean, politics is kind of

969
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,400
unless it's local. It's interesting, but it's not a whole

970
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,960
lot different than watching soap opros to me, yeah.

971
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's not and there's not much you can

972
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:08,239
do about it. I mean, let's face it, most of

973
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,079
what's happening and is going to have but it's baked

974
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,760
into the cake. And of course this is where I

975
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,920
think even a lot of Normies are getting aware that

976
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:20,480
this whole democratic thing and voting is it's a dead end.

977
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:22,119
It's not going to fix anything.

978
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

979
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 5: And it is a temptation too for people becoming Orthodox.

980
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,679
You know, they think it's the Basodox church. You know

981
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,679
that somehow, because I'm conservative, I reject all the rainbow

982
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,119
and the and the tr any stuff. Well, this is

983
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:37,880
the church of being based and it's not about based

984
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,119
politics either. I mean, obviously, at least from why I

985
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,079
understand everything. I understand that, yeah, there's certain social pathologies

986
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,480
that are inherent in left wing politics that are not

987
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,480
compatible with orthodoxy. But this is not about politics. And

988
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:55,239
I think a lot of a lot of guys, especially

989
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,800
young men, coming in, I think part of it is

990
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,960
an attractions that, yeah, the world these people are well,

991
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,559
it ain't it ain't that either, And you know, and

992
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:06,840
back to the bigger question of what's happening around is

993
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,320
right now? You know, I do get a little worried that,

994
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,519
you know, this division now, you know, Charlie Kirk is

995
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,599
going to be the I don't know, the bloody shirt,

996
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:22,159
the horsed vessel of the American right now that that

997
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,840
you know, this polarization between you know, Orange Hitler and

998
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,239
Cheetah Messiah, between the Trump Trump derangement syndrome and the

999
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:36,320
Trump worship syndrome is becoming itself a great object of

1000
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:41,440
manipulation for much bigger interest than just right or left,

1001
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:44,239
which you know, I mean, I one one thing I

1002
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,920
just drives me crazy crazy about boomers is that so

1003
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:51,639
many of them their entire awareness of America is simply

1004
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,960
Republicans and Democrats. Yes, as though that were that were

1005
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:59,719
significant difference in this country other than just kind of

1006
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,960
a mechanical thing you have to be aware of, but

1007
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,199
it's not really what it's all about.

1008
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,639
Speaker 4: Yes, and the Constitution, which is.

1009
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we used to have.

1010
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,719
Speaker 5: We used to we used to have one of those ones,

1011
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,039
did we.

1012
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: It's a sacred document. I mean, it's it's where all

1013
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,719
the rights are. It's it's amazing. You just wave it

1014
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,239
in front of people, have to have to be.

1015
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 6: We used to joke on the old podcasts, I go

1016
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,360
on the you didn't the Founding Fathers that the powder

1017
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,559
that's in those wigs, it's a magical powder and they

1018
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:35,199
shake it out on the on the on the Constitution

1019
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,000
and it it dos it with mystical powers, that powdered

1020
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:38,599
wig powder.

1021
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,039
Speaker 4: Yes, and it holds up forever no matter what.

1022
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,159
Speaker 5: You do, Like the cloth over the chalice during the cree.

1023
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: Yes, folks that we do have a we do have

1024
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,639
a goal to hit over those super chats. We're pretty

1025
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:59,599
close to the goal. Keeps sending them over on on

1026
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,079
youtu Tube and I will host an after show after this,

1027
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:04,159
so thank you so much for doing that. I'll we'll

1028
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:06,760
read some super chats at the very end. I just

1029
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,679
want to be respectful to everyone's times here and again,

1030
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:12,440
thank you gentlemen for green to come on. This is amazing,

1031
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:14,400
as I suspected it would be.

1032
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,519
Speaker 6: I charged me on per appearance, so please remember that

1033
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:23,920
one big poin per appearance, I.

1034
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:27,239
Speaker 3: Owe you's possible or do we have to We'll talk

1035
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:29,280
about it. We'll figure it out. They'll be there'll be

1036
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,000
some sort of trade. I try to actually, I know,

1037
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,840
I tried to went to the local bookstore down here

1038
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,559
and I try to order your book, uh, Esoteric Hollywood three,

1039
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,039
which is coming out soon, and I was told that

1040
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:46,079
it's only released in Australia, Australia in February. In February.

1041
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:49,559
I was like, what, see when I say this place

1042
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:53,159
is retarded, I'm not joking. You know that's number two.

1043
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know why three would be that far off.

1044
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,559
But I am getting the books tomorrow, so if you

1045
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:02,840
want to order it from the website for me, you

1046
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,840
can get it for sure. The problem is, though, Jason,

1047
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:12,000
that unfortunately the the socialists that run your country charge

1048
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:16,599
an outrageous amount to mail anything to Australia. It costs

1049
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:19,280
more than book. It costs more than the book to

1050
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,559
mail it to you. So it's like seventy five dollars.

1051
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,039
It's crazy. Canada, they've it's in after COVID is like

1052
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:28,679
the price is basically doubled. You used to be twenty

1053
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:30,760
dollars to mail stuff to Canada and now it's like

1054
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,000
forty or fifty to mail a book. It's just insane.

1055
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,280
So so there is that option. It is obviously a

1056
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,760
lot more pricey. But I have talked to the ship

1057
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,079
to the shipping company on the phone and the books

1058
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,440
are coming tomorrow. So I know people are very uh

1059
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,119
testing because it's been months that they delayed. It's been delayed.

1060
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,559
I had to make four hours of changes the other

1061
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:57,599
day or a few weeks ago. So I apologize it's

1062
01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:59,679
going to be here tomorrow. But that means I start

1063
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:01,920
ship bring them out tomorrow. And it's just me and Jamie,

1064
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,519
so it's gonna take us probably two weeks to get

1065
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,199
three or foreigner orders out.

1066
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: One last let's lea, let's do this as the last point.

1067
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,000
I know. Also Jim I want to throw it to you.

1068
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:14,880
He said you had some bulletin points. But just as

1069
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,559
my last throw in there, Jim, what what Jim and

1070
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:20,280
I have been covering on on then and now for

1071
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,880
basic of the past year or so, and God blessed Jim.

1072
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,599
Let me just shine his shoes a little bit because

1073
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:28,480
he's he's stuck by me in this year of technical

1074
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:32,519
difficulties and every single bloody Internet demon thing that they

1075
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,280
want to throw my way. Uh, and we have persevered,

1076
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,639
and Jim is Jim has been very very gracious for

1077
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:46,840
staying at my side. So I think, Jim, don't show Yeah,

1078
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:50,599
you want to see the other foot. If you want

1079
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:52,239
to see the other foot, folks, youve got to send

1080
01:02:52,280 --> 01:03:05,599
some money over on stream lasers or to Jay.

1081
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 4: You're losing out on a lot of money.

1082
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 5: Will foot fetishes?

1083
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 6: You know, that's weird when I've never even thought about that,

1084
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,360
but when you if you show your feet that people

1085
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,800
will actually call you out because apparently the more younger

1086
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,199
you go, like the gen Z either like that's a fetish.

1087
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 5: Why are you showing your feet?

1088
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 6: I mean I know that I know Quentin Tarantino has

1089
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,199
a but I'm like, I didn't know this was a

1090
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,679
thing that everyone.

1091
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 3: Is esoteric, esoteric Hollywood four will just be his feet

1092
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:53,199
s to terk. Very nice, sir.

1093
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 5: Man rubbing the feet of guys life. That doesn't seem

1094
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:01,239
right to me.

1095
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:07,719
Speaker 3: Somehow we've entered toegate. This is now toegate. We've started

1096
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,760
towgate on the mirriage, on miss meet the blast. You

1097
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:16,079
heard it here your your first folks. One of the

1098
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:18,079
things that one of the things that Jim and I

1099
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,760
cover quite a bit, obviously is the Ukrainian Russia war.

1100
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: Uh And.

1101
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,039
Speaker 3: Quite often when we're looking at this situation, what we've

1102
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:32,920
my uh my, my thinging has evolved when we first

1103
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,679
started talking about this to where we are at now

1104
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,159
where I where I think we're seeing as a mass

1105
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:42,039
human sacrifice that either putin or both sides are either

1106
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:44,559
aware of and complicit with or doing their own thing

1107
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:48,320
which results in the same direction. Ultimately, they all work

1108
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,599
for the same people or for the same for the

1109
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:56,519
same results. Let's say, when it gets mired into let's

1110
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,119
say Holy Russia, and when we started thinking about the

1111
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:04,639
creation of Novosia after this Ukraine situation is done, and

1112
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:09,679
then of course with the with the the prophecies, coming

1113
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:16,199
out of Crete and Metropolitan Nefanov met sorry, Metropolitan helped

1114
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:23,599
me out here. Neo Neo Fitos which Connor Frans Conrad

1115
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:27,480
Frans over into World War now has been amazing at detailing.

1116
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,199
So we have all this backdrop, we have all this

1117
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,320
these things going on, and just to kind of to

1118
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,719
dovetail into what what Jim and Jay sorry Jim and

1119
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:40,239
Bucker was talking about before. But there's this seems to me,

1120
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,840
this this this focal point, like things are happening all

1121
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,440
at once now very quickly. Uh. And I believe this

1122
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:51,599
is basically the setup for official World War three, either

1123
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,079
that will be either smaller, more contained wars or something

1124
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:58,960
more global like we've seen before. But I think that

1125
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,880
is that it's almost now becoming it inevitable. The reason

1126
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,320
why we should never blackpill is that we we are

1127
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:09,880
at this point in time where we have an amazing

1128
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,639
influx of people, and I would believe, I think, and

1129
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,000
let me know what you guys think about this, is

1130
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:20,519
that the direction really for any Orthodox person with means

1131
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:23,559
or abilities, it's just start sitting up those that infrastructure.

1132
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,400
Because what we're lacking right now we have the people

1133
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,639
coming into the church, but we need the infrastructure for

1134
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:31,199
the church not just to grow but to maintain. So

1135
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,360
we need to be growing priests, we need to be

1136
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:38,039
growing media infrastructures, financial infrastructures, all the rest of it,

1137
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,519
and make that a global network. Because if we're gonna

1138
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,159
you know, we're not going out. We're not going down

1139
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:47,400
without a fight. That's for dank sure, at least I'm not,

1140
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:50,320
and I know many many feel the same way. So

1141
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,239
if we're looking at Ukraine and Russia as a blueprint

1142
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:57,599
and really as now the Gaza Plan as another blueprint

1143
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:01,760
for what they want, I guess the open question here

1144
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,320
is which side are they on? If we're looking at

1145
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,400
Trump and Elon and the Americans and that situation we're

1146
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:16,159
talking about Putin or other other actors, What's what side

1147
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:18,039
do you think these guys are on? Where do you

1148
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:21,800
see this going in the next five to ten, fifteen years?

1149
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:31,960
Anyone you're muted place right, dude, you're mute, un mute.

1150
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 4: That's a that's a that's definitely a gem question first,

1151
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:40,239
and my I mean I have thoughts on this.

1152
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 5: Look, Jason, you're asking a question nobody can answer. No

1153
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:49,840
place good is the short answer. I mean, I think

1154
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:54,000
you're right. Things are increasingly taking on the contours of

1155
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:58,400
the world war. Maybe people turn into one like the

1156
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,400
previous two World War, in which case it will go

1157
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,800
nuclear and then we probably won't have much to worry about.

1158
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,800
I mean, but if it doesn't, and that's kind of

1159
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:13,239
a different war thought in multiple theaters without going all

1160
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,960
out in any one of them, it could. It could

1161
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:22,800
unfold in very, very unpredictable ways. And I think the

1162
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:25,119
main thing, at least in the short term for us,

1163
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,039
and again not to get too deep into the politics,

1164
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:29,920
is that it's going to involve some kind of internal

1165
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:33,680
crisis here in the United States that will exacerbate the

1166
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,159
divisions we're already seeing. And that's where all the other

1167
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:38,880
stuff we're talking about, the moral stuff, the spiritual stuff,

1168
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:44,800
is all going to be going into overdrive. And I

1169
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,319
don't think we can we can anticipate exactly how that's

1170
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,159
going to fall out, except to say it's not going

1171
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:49,760
to be pleasant.

1172
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:57,399
Speaker 3: Buck, you said you had some thoughts.

1173
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 4: I mean, no, I don't.

1174
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Speaker 3: I I can't.

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Speaker 4: I'm not educated enough. I have feelings. Let's let's put

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it that way. And I wish more people to be

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willing to say that I have. I have feelings on

1178
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,079
some of this rather than than educated thoughts. But just

1179
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,199
real quick, there was something in the comments, and not

1180
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:18,439
to derail the conversation, but it just hits upon a

1181
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,600
point I was trying to make. It said something along

1182
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,520
the lines of why do you have such division? We

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01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,000
all have the same God, whether you believe it or not,

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01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:32,319
and we do not. That's that's the fear that I

1185
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,399
have with this. I remember being with a priest and

1186
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,560
maybe it's not fair to share his name because everyone

1187
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,119
knows who he is when I was in Mount Athos,

1188
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,199
and his main message to us was like ecumenisms, and

1189
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:50,560
it's a word I always have trouble saying. Acumenism is

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01:09:51,239 --> 01:09:54,640
the biggest threat that we face right now. And boy,

1191
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,279
it seems again to bring it back to post Kirk issues,

1192
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that is the thing. We don't all have the same God.

1193
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:06,840
And his father Turbo mentioned I think it was even

1194
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,399
in his speech at Ludwell God has you?

1195
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:12,520
Speaker 3: For sure?

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01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 4: You don't have God? And that's I know it sounds

1197
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,800
harsh and people are going, well, you know the I

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don't need an organized religion or I don't need a structure.

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But whatever the case is, you'll if you come at

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that opinion and end goal here in your thought process,

1201
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,840
you don't feel the same way that the church fathers felt.

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01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:46,359
In the Christianity of the first first thousand years, no

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01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,279
one felt that way. So just think of it this way.

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01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:55,640
Prior to ten fifty four, when someone said, Hey, I'm

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,720
going to church, there's no question of what kind of

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01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,600
truth or true you're going to, or what denomination you are,

1207
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,960
or is it liberal or do you guys let in

1208
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:10,000
these people or do you do this? It was only

1209
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:14,279
the church. So again, we don't all have the same God.

1210
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:19,319
I've been told tiny hats worship the same God as

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01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:25,199
we do. That's not true, Muslims, that's not true. And

1212
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920
we can extrapolate it from on and on. And i

1213
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,279
know it sounds harsh, and i know it sounds cold

1214
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,359
or judgmental, and I'm not trying to sound that way.

1215
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:35,960
I'm just trying to present it as the truth as

1216
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,800
it's been given to me through the Church. We don't

1217
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:43,560
all worship the same God. God has you, But do

1218
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,319
you have God is a big question here. I'm sorry

1219
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:49,039
to derail the conversation off of Russia and Ukraine and

1220
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:51,479
foreign policy, but it was something that came up in

1221
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:52,039
the comments.

1222
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Speaker 3: No, I think it's related anyways, because of course what

1223
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:59,560
we see with a traditional Orthodox sorry, traditional Ukrainian Church

1224
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and now whatever.

1225
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:06,560
Speaker 4: For example, it's the Orthodox, Dude, they our state department

1226
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:07,199
supported it.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,520
Speaker 4: You want to ask the monks and the priests that

1229
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,239
are getting jailed if they think it's the same church.

1230
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Speaker 3: Kay.

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01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:25,239
Speaker 6: Well, First, John too says, who is a liar? But

1232
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:29,159
he that denies Jesus as the Messiah, that person is Antichrist.

1233
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,359
He denies the Father and the Son. If you deny

1234
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:38,199
the son, you do not have the Father. Well, Islam, Judaism,

1235
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,760
all are predicated on denying the son. They don't have

1236
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:49,640
the same God. Now, I mean to get to the

1237
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,840
issue of future geopolitical conflicts, I don't know. I mean,

1238
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,439
I think it's looking like they want to take America

1239
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:02,039
into some civil war scenario, evench at least the left

1240
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:04,800
has been more and more calling for violence. It's obviously

1241
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,039
why they're importing so many people is to turn the

1242
01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:12,800
country totally left or to have some kind of conflict

1243
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,880
down the road, which I don't know how that'll happen

1244
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:17,279
or what they'll do. But remember that you know, a

1245
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:21,399
lot of the people who are intent on kind of

1246
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,479
collapsing the country. You know, they know how to do

1247
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,399
this in other countries, so that they know how to

1248
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:34,039
initiate regime change and have these kinds of cups. You know,

1249
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:36,840
this is a big, powerful, wealthy country, so it's maybe

1250
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,920
a little bit more difficult to do. It takes longer,

1251
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:47,319
but I think probably they think in long term generational

1252
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,279
you know sections. At least that's when you read these

1253
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:54,239
people like Jock at to Lee and Kissinger. They kind

1254
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:57,880
of plotted out sort of you know, decades at a time,

1255
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:00,720
and so they're looking to where we're going to be

1256
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,720
a twenty forty, twenty fifty. They're very explicit in their books,

1257
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,840
especially Brief Fist of the Future. It says, you know,

1258
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:09,880
we want the gollum Ai Global Brain by twenty fifty.

1259
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,960
To get there, we have to Atali says we're gonna

1260
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,640
have to fight against a rising return of Christianity in

1261
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:23,800
the West. So, yeah, that's pretty that's pretty spicy stuff.

1262
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:26,880
And he you know, he's full he's full on like

1263
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,720
transhumanists Ai. That's that's where that's the system they're bringing in.

1264
01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:34,199
So that's where we're going.

1265
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 5: I agree with all I agree with all that, although

1266
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,560
I would caution that I would not say that this

1267
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,840
is something exclusively from the left.

1268
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I didn't mean to give that impression. I

1269
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:48,760
just meant they're more radical.

1270
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:53,399
Speaker 5: But I agree, no, well, and I know they are

1271
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,560
at least they they in terms of their rank and file. Yeah,

1272
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,960
they are more violent because they've been powered by the

1273
01:14:59,079 --> 01:15:01,520
establishing the b or radical and get away with it.

1274
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:04,359
There's a bunch of people on the so called right

1275
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,880
march around and uh, you know, Hawaiian shirts. Then the

1276
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,479
Feds come out and from all in jail. But you

1277
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,680
know when the right then it has it's mark harder

1278
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:20,279
now and the right consists of let's see me, me, boyfriend, Jesus,

1279
01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:23,279
the Republican Party in Israel. That's what passes for a right,

1280
01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:27,760
and that's that doesn't give give you a whole lot

1281
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,479
of confidence about what their agenda is too, and the

1282
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,359
extent to which you know going out to the left

1283
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:38,079
or Antifa is a terror organization even though Antifa is

1284
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,600
not even an organization, and that the state is being

1285
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,720
mobilized because we're in power now and we can do

1286
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,960
it to them now, because they to us. That doesn't

1287
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,680
give me the warm fuzzy feeling in terms of the

1288
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,560
way the direction is going. And the last thing I

1289
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,680
would say, you know, Jay said, this is something that

1290
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:02,279
could take a long time in a country like this, decades, generations. Yeah,

1291
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,079
and when did it really go into high gear in

1292
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:07,479
nineteen sixties? Uh, And I would say we are at

1293
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,840
the end or coming in dear to the culmination of

1294
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,840
that process. So on wharres one we talk about that

1295
01:16:14,119 --> 01:16:17,159
kind of Hey to you know, is the word collapse

1296
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:19,800
of America. We're not talking about something I think that's

1297
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,760
go to happen twenty or forty years from now. We're

1298
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,920
talking about something that we're already starting to get close

1299
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,399
to the acceleration phase that I think easily could be

1300
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,319
happening just in the next few years, and much more

1301
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:35,600
suddenly than people think. It's one of those things that

1302
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:39,720
once it gets started, slowly, slowly, slowly, faster fast, oh zoom,

1303
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,960
and then it happens very fast. Look look at the

1304
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,680
way the Civic Union collapsed. Look look look at the

1305
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,600
way for that matter of Syria collapsed. I mean, you know,

1306
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,000
these things can happen very fast once they get going.

1307
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:52,520
Speaker 3: Look at the way.

1308
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,520
Speaker 4: You know, jim and I have thoughts on this other

1309
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,479
than the mainstream view. But to take the mainstream view,

1310
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,800
look at the way slavery ended. You know, if you

1311
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:07,760
said to someone in eighteen fifty five, hey, they're all

1312
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,600
going to be gone, and then you in ten years,

1313
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,399
really that sounds weird. And so I think we get

1314
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,039
this spoiled weak man mentality, which I admit that I

1315
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:21,880
have myself often where you're comfortable and it's like this

1316
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:25,159
will probably work out fine for the rest of my

1317
01:17:25,319 --> 01:17:28,680
career and probably be okay. It could be gone in

1318
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,680
two years. And I think the comfort that I have

1319
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,880
now is that I'm not worried about like my God,

1320
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,159
is Advan's gonna win for the next election? Are we

1321
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:43,840
gonna have aoc Part of me cares because I love politics,

1322
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,079
and a large part of me is like, I don't

1323
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:49,239
care because I have Christ and the Church and I'd

1324
01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:51,840
rather put my faith in that and see where things

1325
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,399
go than to constantly be worried about how can I

1326
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,560
fix this on a political national level.

1327
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,159
Speaker 3: Jimmy, you said you had some bullets and points, and

1328
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,560
it's later. It's later than you think. It's both personal

1329
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,239
and external. It's both internal and external. You know it

1330
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:13,680
works in both directions. Jimmy said, you had some bulls

1331
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,439
and points that you want to get to, especially about

1332
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:20,520
the uh orthoxy in my no, and I already covered.

1333
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 5: Them in my initial remarks, so we already got to that.

1334
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 3: Okay. Uh, let me just read out some super chats

1335
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,880
really briefly here and then we we'll get to some

1336
01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:30,920
final thoughts. Again, thank you gentlemen forgive me your time.

1337
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:32,680
I do appreciate it.

1338
01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:33,319
Speaker 6: Uh.

1339
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 3: And this show has done what I hoped it would do.

1340
01:18:37,039 --> 01:18:39,840
So far, so good, even though you know it's me

1341
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,039
being the host, so you know, anything, anything bad could happen,

1342
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:47,479
but so far, no one has dropped out. Uh and

1343
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,279
uh and my computer hasn't caught on fire, so there's

1344
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:53,239
there's there's there's some hope in in.

1345
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 4: The and your your socialist government hadn't kicked this off yet.

1346
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,399
Speaker 3: Well you know it. Come December, we're gonn to find

1347
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:04,439
out what what what's gonna happen because there's.

1348
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 4: Some anti semitism loss coming there isn't.

1349
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 3: There oh there that's already been passed. No, the the

1350
01:19:11,039 --> 01:19:14,079
the big question for December will be their passing very

1351
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:19,279
similar to what they did, and in Britain with age

1352
01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:23,439
restricted voter basically digital ID. But to protect protect the children,

1353
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,239
buck social media is having this horrible effect on children,

1354
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,199
So we're gonna have to make sure we have age

1355
01:19:28,319 --> 01:19:32,039
verification for everybody. How that's gonna work, we know, but

1356
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,640
it's going to be basically just digital ID to protect

1357
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,640
the children from social media so well, so we'll see

1358
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,800
how that goes. My my bitter white pill is that,

1359
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:45,960
as I've said quite often, and with notable exceptions like

1360
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,520
Don Browning who's in the chat, and a few others

1361
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,399
who follow the channel, but most of Australia, at least,

1362
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:55,800
the leadership in Australia is heavily retarded. I've come from Montreal, Canada.

1363
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,399
I thought I came to the most bureaucratically retarded place

1364
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,159
in the whole in the whole world, and then I

1365
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:03,000
moved here. I'm like, Wow, there's levels to this. There

1366
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:05,600
are levels to this, and I'm countering it on a

1367
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,119
daily basis. It's kind of why I don't leave my house.

1368
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,119
So thank you to everyone who sent a super chat

1369
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,680
who allows me to not leave the house on a

1370
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:13,399
daily basis.

1371
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:19,159
Speaker 4: Day you give Jay, Jim and myself really zero reason

1372
01:20:19,279 --> 01:20:23,560
to complain about anything. You went from Canada to Australia

1373
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:24,800
during COVID.

1374
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 3: Right to the West where they didn't.

1375
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, to a concentration camp, and I'm just you know,

1376
01:20:34,119 --> 01:20:34,520
I'm good.

1377
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 3: Well you're married in Australian and these things happened. But

1378
01:20:38,039 --> 01:20:44,439
that's the shames on Mengo. Mongola said ten dollars ten

1379
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,880
euros saying if Jay said was what is true, then

1380
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,720
the schism will worsen from political to from political to

1381
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,359
partial to full. We didn't really talk too much about schism.

1382
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,960
We kind of mentioned it. Uh, there definitely seems to

1383
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,399
be whispers about that, and I've kind of said on

1384
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,960
the show quite often with the using Ukraine as a

1385
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:08,000
as a beta test, things are going to get probably

1386
01:21:08,039 --> 01:21:13,479
a little bit more tough for people, especially people who

1387
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,800
are just entering ro Corps and any kind of Russian

1388
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,479
affiliated church in the last few years. But I think

1389
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,279
we've kind of touched on that on the show. Anyone

1390
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:22,479
wants to add to that.

1391
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, real quick. I'm actually kind of optimistic, uncharacteristically

1392
01:21:28,079 --> 01:21:33,560
optimistic about that because if something happens between Rome and Constantinople,

1393
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,319
I think I mean, look, look what's happened with the

1394
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,880
fake church in Ukraine? Who did Constantinople get on their side?

1395
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:45,239
They got Alexandria, and then they got the primates of

1396
01:21:45,279 --> 01:21:47,359
the Greek Church and the Cypriot Church, but not all

1397
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:50,800
of their syned and then basically nobody else has signed

1398
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:55,720
onto this thing. My guess is that if they actually

1399
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,720
overtly went into union with Rome and intercommit union with Rome,

1400
01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:04,079
I don't agree, there would be riots in Greece. I

1401
01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:06,840
don't think there's any question about that. I mean, really riots,

1402
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,760
bloody riots. People. People are not gonna put up with

1403
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,359
this stuff. And if they tried to, if Athenes tried

1404
01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:16,840
to go in that direction, I can't. I think I

1405
01:22:17,399 --> 01:22:21,399
think uh Bartholomew would be hanging himself if he does that.

1406
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,640
I don't. I don't think he has a lot of

1407
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,159
room for optimism. Know how much pressure the Americans try

1408
01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:27,600
to put on because they tried to do the same

1409
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,960
thing with praying. They sent Sam Brown back when he's

1410
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,920
the ambassador for religious freedom to round all these countries

1411
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,399
to bend the arm of book, wrested Sophie and Belgrad

1412
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,760
and policy tried to get them the sign on to Ukraine.

1413
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,199
They wouldn't do it, and so I don't think I

1414
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:44,000
don't think they'll do go very far with this thing

1415
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:44,880
of what happens.

1416
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,039
Speaker 3: Buck Jay. Any any add on to that.

1417
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 4: Nope, I mean I tend to agree with Jim on that,

1418
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:02,199
by the way, But even yuh h h. The optimism

1419
01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:05,520
I have about the Orthodox Church, not only of course

1420
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,880
that it's everlasting and eternal, but I mean even for

1421
01:23:09,039 --> 01:23:13,079
them for the time being, every attack I see on

1422
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:18,640
people like Jay and Jim and priests that I'm close with. Uh,

1423
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:24,039
within the quote unquote Orthodox circles, they die out very quickly.

1424
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,960
They're they fall to the wayside, they're gone. They don't

1425
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,640
get any traction at all. I've seen names come after

1426
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:37,359
Father John Whiteford, Father Turbo, Father Peter Hears, Jim Jatris,

1427
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,199
Jay Dyer, Father Deacon, and.

1428
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 3: Father.

1429
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:44,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just like, Okay, it makes a splash

1430
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:48,279
for a second because those are big names, and then

1431
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:52,600
the people that are doing the attacking they're gone. And

1432
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:57,399
so that's that's a positive thing in my opinion within

1433
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:58,279
the church.

1434
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 6: Jay, Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, it's we've seen

1435
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,279
quite a bit of that. Obviously, if you're in the

1436
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:13,520
debate sphere, you're going to kind of rile up people

1437
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,319
and you're going to get a lot more opposition. And

1438
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,680
I think that a lot of the people who fostered

1439
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,840
that opposition, some of them for even like seven years,

1440
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,760
kind of ended up. At least three or four of

1441
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,920
them admitted they were on meds and two of them

1442
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,239
have left the church and aren't even Orthodox. So you

1443
01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:39,159
know that time time eventually vindicates I think this kind

1444
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:41,159
of stuff, especially, you know, if you are sincere, you

1445
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:44,680
just keep trudging forward and you'll end up being vindicated.

1446
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.

1447
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the biggest problem is going to

1448
01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:56,680
be not people criticizing like that, but the acumenism in

1449
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:01,479
the hierarchy will eventually either lead to a schism or

1450
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,359
you know, they're going to try to do something to

1451
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:05,199
come after people. There's not much they can do though,

1452
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,119
because they don't really understand strives and effect. The more

1453
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:11,680
that you you know, try to oppose and lie about people,

1454
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,000
it just really makes the people more. It makes it

1455
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:17,960
gives more attention, and that's the way the internet works.

1456
01:25:18,039 --> 01:25:20,479
But a lot of the you know, people who are

1457
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:25,119
acumenist amongst a clergy that are more boomer They think

1458
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:28,560
that clamp down, shut down, shut them up, sensor them.

1459
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,640
It doesn't work. That's that we're in a totally different

1460
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,920
world from that older model of things, whether we like

1461
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:36,319
it or not.

1462
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 4: They're extremists.

1463
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just briefly, Jake, as you kind of mentioned

1464
01:25:42,359 --> 01:25:45,359
with the discord and all the rest of it, your effects,

1465
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,840
especially on young men, just peeking on personal level. When

1466
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:52,319
we had you on the show with Jim a few

1467
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:55,239
months ago, I went back to my parish and I

1468
01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:56,800
had a line up of people who wanted to talk

1469
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,199
to me. Your effects down here, and positively, your effects

1470
01:26:01,239 --> 01:26:05,640
down here are definitely felt. So, you know, if anyone

1471
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:09,439
has any criticism for Jay Dillard, just understand, especially with

1472
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,199
with with un orthodoxy, just understand that Jay is bringing

1473
01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:16,239
more young men uh into the church or bringing more

1474
01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:16,920
young men.

1475
01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:19,399
Speaker 4: With more people, I would say at this point.

1476
01:26:19,319 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, with people in general. Uh, he's done more for

1477
01:26:23,119 --> 01:26:27,159
for attendance uh than than most. Let's say, yes, so

1478
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:31,119
there's most just shine your shoes a little bit of

1479
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:32,680
their Yeah.

1480
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 4: I have hundreds of women that come up and they're

1481
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:40,199
like can I bitcoin so eacte? They want him and

1482
01:26:40,399 --> 01:26:41,600
like ladies, he's married.

1483
01:26:44,119 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 3: Is that a joke or is that that?

1484
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 6: Is that a joke?

1485
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm it's a joke based on reality, let's say, because

1486
01:26:56,039 --> 01:26:58,239
it has gone from in the past five years to

1487
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:04,840
men going do you know Jay Dyer to the people generally.

1488
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,159
Speaker 6: Saying, so actual, actual females are converting. It's not just

1489
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:11,239
a nineteen year old spurgy dudes that are obsessed with

1490
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,079
tag and philosophy.

1491
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 4: At the Ludwell Lovewell conference, I did see the line

1492
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,279
to speak with you at lunch, not as female heavy,

1493
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,520
but yeah, there's been a lot of of.

1494
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 6: Well different in twenty seventeen, there was a lot of

1495
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,960
nerdy spurgy theology dudes who are now sort of chad

1496
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,159
married dudes. So so hopefully this rehab program is working.

1497
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,159
But I noticed that Ludwell, you know, and obviously the

1498
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,960
audience wasn't just there for me, but you know, in

1499
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:49,399
Ludwell there was quite a few young couples, you know,

1500
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,000
young girls, and this is that was definitely different from

1501
01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:54,359
previous live events.

1502
01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:58,159
Speaker 4: For sure, this latest boom within the church seems to

1503
01:27:58,279 --> 01:28:01,399
be heavier amongst families than the boom that Jason and

1504
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:06,000
I came in to the church as men. And I've

1505
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:08,399
seen that when I go to Father John Whiteford's parish

1506
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,319
down a few hours from me, like the new converts

1507
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,680
that I see speaking to him or that will even

1508
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,920
come up to me and talk. It's it's married couples.

1509
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:19,720
It's beautiful.

1510
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 6: Nothing wrong with the young dudes. Obviously, we got to

1511
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:24,800
get the young dudes in too. It's just it's a

1512
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:27,600
it's it's these the phases have different flavors to them,

1513
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:28,920
which is which is very interesting.

1514
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I love well. We had like

1515
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:37,880
thirty female by my just visuals. That's pretty good for

1516
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,800
an Orthodox conference. I mean yes, especially on a topic

1517
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,560
like you know, Southern stuff and all that. You know.

1518
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,039
As far as Jay goes, I don't know what black

1519
01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:49,520
hearted sins he'll have on his account on judgment day,

1520
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,439
but he can't count. There'll be thousands of thousands of

1521
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,520
people there will say, go easy on him, bloord.

1522
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,079
Speaker 4: I would be here not for himred percent.

1523
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,079
Speaker 5: That's something you can look forward when the time comes.

1524
01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 6: Maybe that'll cover up, Yeah, my pride and dirty thoughts

1525
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,600
and you know, the typical guy stuff, so that the

1526
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,560
guy's deal with so we.

1527
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 4: Can all hope for ourselves.

1528
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 6: I have no idea what you're talking about, Saint Jim.

1529
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 3: That's why I called the elder we sit under his tree.

1530
01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:28,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, what they say, even when a man is ninety

1531
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:30,000
years old, his eyes are still nineteen.

1532
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 4: The rest of them isn't so.

1533
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 3: Plus I guess, well, I heard, I heard, I heard

1534
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,880
sciences help him with that. So you know it's maybe

1535
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,479
it's not all bad. It's just like a ten dollars

1536
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,039
from from one of the based Australias. Don keep your

1537
01:29:50,119 --> 01:29:52,840
eyes open for book sales at your local library. She

1538
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:58,520
was commenting on the changing changing faces of man. I

1539
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,640
think what's the And she also mentioned that there's printers

1540
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,720
out there. I think that's kind of we're talking about

1541
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,079
infrastructure or I was talking about infrastructure for the church.

1542
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:13,279
Definitely setting up printing, the local printing, especially here in Australia,

1543
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:15,279
but I think all over the place would be a

1544
01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:18,000
good idea if people have any money to throw around

1545
01:30:18,079 --> 01:30:21,960
or connections to set up more printing, small printers that

1546
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,760
we can print out things like of course orthodox books

1547
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,119
and translations, but also things like Changing Images as a

1548
01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:34,159
Man and other books like that to give people not

1549
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:37,760
kind of an overview of what of where the enemy

1550
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,880
is and how they're manifesting. It should never be a

1551
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,439
black pilling event. It's just more like, as I always say,

1552
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,840
it's like I'm a weather man. I'm just telling which

1553
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,520
way the wind blows. What you do with that is

1554
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,239
up to you. But at least you have that information.

1555
01:30:50,359 --> 01:30:52,079
How much more time would you have saved in twenty

1556
01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:55,039
nineteen or early twenty twenty if you had known more,

1557
01:30:55,119 --> 01:30:57,199
if you had had gotten that a little bit more

1558
01:30:57,279 --> 01:31:00,520
extra information and then having to run around with your

1559
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,000
hair on fire like I did for about a six

1560
01:31:03,079 --> 01:31:06,600
months until things kind of sort of you started having

1561
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:11,680
to figure things out. So and jump in, guys, if

1562
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,239
you want to comment on anything of this, I'll just

1563
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:16,119
read through these five dollars from Handsome Cat when you

1564
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:19,319
take communion. Are you okay? This is guy?

1565
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,079
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah right.

1566
01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:24,159
Speaker 3: Trolls, trolls, trolls, although he did send me five dollars,

1567
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:26,079
So if trolls want to send me five dollars a

1568
01:31:26,119 --> 01:31:29,760
troll and just have your comment deleted by Don and

1569
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:34,479
moderators in a chat, please please continue. It's it's perfectly fine.

1570
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,039
I never I've never understood that.

1571
01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 6: I always got to kick out of the people who

1572
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,119
like are really mad at me, and they keep sending money.

1573
01:31:42,359 --> 01:31:44,119
Speaker 4: I hate you so much. I'm helping you.

1574
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's here's a comment from Don. There's an Australian

1575
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,720
printer who Edward Dunton. Really graceful and send me a gogue.

1576
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,319
Use ask them, I'll ask you. I'll also ask for

1577
01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:57,800
a future reference. That would be fantastic. Yeah, I knew

1578
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,960
there was one one family to my parents who h

1579
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,520
later who's since left. But he said he basically took

1580
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,760
up a book binding so in order to be able

1581
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,520
to print out things and bind them into books. So there's, uh,

1582
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,600
there's options out there. But yeah, I think printing out

1583
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:19,640
some of these books is a little bit cost uh ineffective. Uh,

1584
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,640
and many willis Manuel. This is totally fifteen to fifty

1585
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:27,840
Mexican bucks. This is totally not for feet picks. Honestly. Wow,

1586
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,039
as you said, I did put my chat.

1587
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,399
Speaker 6: I did put my big coin address in the chat

1588
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,479
that people really want to support the feet picking.

1589
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,359
Speaker 3: One bitcoin to get yourself some j dire fetish picks.

1590
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:42,279
Speaker 6: No, you already got it.

1591
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:43,239
Speaker 3: I did it for you all.

1592
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys.

1593
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 3: But when he saw one, there's the other foot there.

1594
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 4: They're they're Jay I mean they're still waiting for the

1595
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:51,359
other foot to drop.

1596
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,399
Speaker 3: It was it was his exactly.

1597
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:58,079
Speaker 6: Maybe. Yeah, I've got a collection over here of severed

1598
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:01,039
feets and I'm actually like, you know, the something.

1599
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 3: Day five dollars from Texas Nationalists. Thanks Jay for your content,

1600
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,039
Please go on World War Now. Thanks a Bud for

1601
01:33:11,039 --> 01:33:14,279
your amazing show. And Andy y'all doing christ work well.

1602
01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:17,079
Thank you so much. Yeah, I mean you just went

1603
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,520
did you? Did you end up going to uh out

1604
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:24,039
East with with Conrad and that whole crew? Jay, I

1605
01:33:24,119 --> 01:33:25,880
know I believe your name was mentioned for that.

1606
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:26,560
Speaker 5: No.

1607
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 6: I mean I've been on World War Now at least

1608
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,960
three or four times, But no, I didn't go to

1609
01:33:33,079 --> 01:33:33,800
Rush or anything.

1610
01:33:36,279 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 3: Uh thirty U y u bucks from Uruguay Premiro. What

1611
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,079
are the limits? What is the limit of a nationalist coalition?

1612
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,399
Are we talking like Christian nationalism? I mean we didn't

1613
01:33:49,399 --> 01:33:51,319
really have time to get into that. I know Andrew

1614
01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:54,840
Wilson has been a big, big proponent for it. I know, Jay,

1615
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:58,199
some of your comments about it is I'll just paraphrase

1616
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:00,520
and let me know if if I'm doing good job

1617
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,560
with that, is that it's a fine thing to talk about,

1618
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,560
but you need to have a unified Christian faith in

1619
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,520
order to have Christian nationalism. Having a bunch of different

1620
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:10,560
sex all running around.

1621
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 6: I don't think it'll work, you know, Doug Wilson together

1622
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:14,680
with you know.

1623
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 3: Whoever.

1624
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:21,560
Speaker 6: But probably some kind of maybe some kind of loose

1625
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:27,880
coalition as possible, But I don't know. I mean, think

1626
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,319
about the protesting professional States. They didn't work out very

1627
01:34:31,359 --> 01:34:33,600
well amongst themselves.

1628
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:40,159
Speaker 4: I fear that American Christian Nationalism as it would stand

1629
01:34:40,319 --> 01:34:46,479
right now, immediately post Charlie Kirk would call us heretical

1630
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,159
for worshiping icons.

1631
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1632
01:34:51,039 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 6: I think keep in mind, you know, Doug, even if

1633
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,199
we try to find the most coherent of the Protestants,

1634
01:34:57,279 --> 01:34:59,399
you know, even if that was for the sake of argument,

1635
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:03,319
Doug Wilson, So that's a super tiny minority, you know.

1636
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,560
I think, really Protestism, when it's not just this you know,

1637
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:12,319
totally faking gay stuff, it's really the Radical Reformation is

1638
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:15,039
what ended up winning out. So the world of Evangelicals

1639
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:20,640
and Pentecostalism and charismaticism, it is the Radical Reformation. And

1640
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,319
that's just even too crazy. The reformers thought that was

1641
01:35:23,359 --> 01:35:25,560
too crazy to even have some kind of alliance with.

1642
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, could I mean, could we ever imagine

1643
01:35:31,119 --> 01:35:34,479
having a sort of American symplenesia kind of kind of issue.

1644
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:39,199
Something I've talked about on the show recently was the

1645
01:35:39,279 --> 01:35:42,720
idea that I guess the hardest part for a lot

1646
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,039
of Westerners coming into the church and also sorts of

1647
01:35:46,199 --> 01:35:51,000
substantiating the church written large, is that idea of submission,

1648
01:35:51,399 --> 01:35:57,000
submission and asking, asking permission, bowing down to a higher authority,

1649
01:35:58,279 --> 01:36:00,359
into that hierarchy. You know, a lot of distant and

1650
01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:03,079
write and right wingers talk a good talk about hierarchy

1651
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,039
when it actually comes down to it, and it's a

1652
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,760
it's a shift. You know, when I started my catechism

1653
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,159
and having to get used to asking permission for my

1654
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,520
priest to even have the show, you know, it's a

1655
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,119
I'm a grown ass man. Why do I have to

1656
01:36:17,239 --> 01:36:19,520
ask permission? So it's a it's an adjustment. And even

1657
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,119
if you're willing to do the adjustment, it takes a

1658
01:36:21,159 --> 01:36:23,439
little time to get used to. And I think if

1659
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:25,399
you're starting to try to apply that to what three

1660
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,560
hundred and thirty million people, it's a.

1661
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 4: Humility that's not reached Protestantism. There's a difference between prostrating

1662
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,680
before an icon and raising your hands to a rock show.

1663
01:36:41,079 --> 01:36:45,319
Speaker 3: Octavia nineteen ninety nine, legendary live stream. Thank you so much.

1664
01:36:45,319 --> 01:36:47,520
We'd love to see you all together on regular basis. Well,

1665
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:51,520
you know, send Jay some some bitcoin, buy some books,

1666
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,640
and make the numbers happen for across the board, not

1667
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,159
just for this channel, but of course for all the

1668
01:36:55,279 --> 01:36:58,039
people on this panel. Go buy Jim's book. I try

1669
01:36:58,079 --> 01:37:02,399
to warn you, of course, go subscribe, uh to counterflow

1670
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,479
And now where your writing's now? On substack buck.

1671
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:09,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still I'm not good at promoting myself and

1672
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:13,439
I'm still a little bit hesitant to promote a substack

1673
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,039
and shop. Yes it is on I don't remember even

1674
01:37:17,039 --> 01:37:19,039
the substack. See that's how bad I am. But if

1675
01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:22,359
you go to dissident media dot net and their substack,

1676
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,680
they feature me on there, and I will be doing

1677
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,399
one per month. The one was first on hot top

1678
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,840
at Christianity. I think the next will be something along

1679
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:30,560
the lines.

1680
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:31,520
Speaker 3: Of can you.

1681
01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 4: Can you have a fulfilled life as a secularist? So

1682
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,399
I'm sort of thinking about that direction now.

1683
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 3: Fifty p l n from Enchanted Hero. If we repent

1684
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,239
in the Satanic global empire ends. Do you think that

1685
01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:55,359
the katecin cate categ Shun can return after being absent

1686
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:58,279
for over one hundred years? This seems to be a

1687
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:01,520
just a dovetail to a standard question when I was

1688
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,680
on a recent podcast talking about this, But a lot

1689
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,560
of people want to know if we if there can

1690
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,520
be all this stuff can be adverted or the way

1691
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:17,239
to like pushed it back or change some inevitable consequences.

1692
01:38:17,239 --> 01:38:18,600
When I was talking about the eventful Son and all

1693
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:26,319
these other things. My short answer is maybe, but not

1694
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:30,920
without without a massive return to prayer. Any general thoughts

1695
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:35,199
on that, gentleman, pushing things back, changing things that are

1696
01:38:35,239 --> 01:38:37,159
already kind of in motion, as you know what things

1697
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:39,359
we've talked about with the changing images a man, These

1698
01:38:39,399 --> 01:38:41,600
plans have been set out for at least one hundred

1699
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,800
and twenty years, if not longer, maybe four hundred years,

1700
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,920
that are kind of coming fruition. You know, can we

1701
01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:50,359
do anything to change it in some ways?

1702
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:56,119
Speaker 6: Well, I mean we're in a go ahead Jim, sorry,

1703
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:02,079
godam no Jem. First, well it worked.

1704
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 5: You've seen that meme with the cracked damn and wrath

1705
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,680
of God and below it is the world and the

1706
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,479
only thing holding it back is the prayers of one

1707
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:16,119
hundred and six year old Greek Yahya, and that's probably

1708
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:19,279
close to where we are. It's on the other hand,

1709
01:39:19,319 --> 01:39:22,680
it worked for the men of Nineveh after Jonah preached,

1710
01:39:23,239 --> 01:39:25,399
so repentance can have that effect. I don't think we

1711
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:28,840
can limit what God could do. I think we also

1712
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:30,399
have to have to asks how.

1713
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 3: Likely is it? Yeah?

1714
01:39:35,039 --> 01:39:37,239
Speaker 6: Also, I mean it's kind of like, again, we're in

1715
01:39:37,319 --> 01:39:39,840
the we're in a pagan period. It's not a it's

1716
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,600
a post Christian period already. And the Roman Empire, you know,

1717
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:45,960
it took three hundred years to convert it.

1718
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:48,399
Speaker 3: But we have the.

1719
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:53,560
Speaker 6: Internet, which can make things spread way faster than the

1720
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:58,319
ancient Roman empires texts and oral teaching could spread, right.

1721
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, letting the one for death. I think there's this

1722
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:06,640
and instinct that I'm still trying to get over. It's like,

1723
01:40:07,319 --> 01:40:09,680
what's the next shitty thing that's gonna happen? How do

1724
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,840
I prepare for it? And it's like we already know

1725
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:16,760
the answer to that. So I mean, also there's part

1726
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,560
of me I guess I would say real quick on

1727
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:24,840
the internet discourse stuff with the tiny hats and I'm

1728
01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:31,039
part of this, constantly putting out episodes on Zionism. Both

1729
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:34,159
of Jim and Jay I have been on episodes with

1730
01:40:34,359 --> 01:40:37,159
me doing this. I do that because I was quote

1731
01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:41,680
unquote educated by Pastor Hagey as a teenager. So there's

1732
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,800
part of me that's repenting for that and putting this

1733
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,199
out there. But there's also part of me thinking, like

1734
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,800
that toothpaste is out of the tube. So I would

1735
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,840
almost caution people, like when you see these arguments keep

1736
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:56,880
going on on Twitter, like the Jays versus the Zionists

1737
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,920
or all these things, like maybe it's time for me

1738
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:04,239
to also push away from some of that discourse because

1739
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,079
it's sort of becoming from like us trying to get

1740
01:41:08,079 --> 01:41:13,199
the truth out there to like a mainstream distraction. Anyway,

1741
01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:15,159
that's on my mind, so wanted to put that out

1742
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:20,079
there too, almost like the Jay what what Fentes is

1743
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,199
sort of doing against Jay at this moment, And it's

1744
01:41:23,279 --> 01:41:25,960
like we all kind of know this at this point,

1745
01:41:26,119 --> 01:41:29,640
Like I don't know, I don't quite understand the point

1746
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,800
of unless there's unless there's something subversive.

1747
01:41:32,319 --> 01:41:37,319
Speaker 3: Coming, well, Twente's friend or fed is coming, folks, So

1748
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:41,960
keep your eyes open for that. Any any real brief

1749
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,640
thoughts on that jay On, on Nick Fuente's attacks, or

1750
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,760
on the whole over obsession Let's say I wouldn't say

1751
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,399
over obsession about zionisn't I think Zionism is something to

1752
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,720
be aware of as almost the final ideology.

1753
01:41:55,239 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 4: But let me interrupt real quick. When I saw Normies

1754
01:41:59,319 --> 01:42:05,800
reposted John Hagey, who I grew up going to insulting him,

1755
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:09,479
I'm like, Okay, I think maybe we're good here. Not

1756
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,600
that to put our guard down and not ever be discerning,

1757
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,319
but like I came at this the last few years

1758
01:42:15,359 --> 01:42:16,880
like I need to get this message out. I want

1759
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,399
to get this message out. And now I saw normy

1760
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,039
politic people like can you believe John Hagey? And I'm like, yeah,

1761
01:42:23,079 --> 01:42:25,960
I can believe it. I've seen it for years. So

1762
01:42:26,359 --> 01:42:28,319
maybe that's a white pill in the sense of like,

1763
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:31,239
I don't have to focus on this so much. And

1764
01:42:31,399 --> 01:42:36,560
when I see people overly focusing on it now alarm

1765
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,159
belts going off because of the Fuintes and j stuff.

1766
01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 6: But go ahead, I've got good news on that front.

1767
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,239
I was invited on a very large podcast. That's one

1768
01:42:46,279 --> 01:42:49,119
of the reasons we traveled to where we are, and

1769
01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:55,119
we had a intense, long discussion about Christian Zionism and

1770
01:42:55,239 --> 01:42:57,800
it went really well. And that will drop next week.

1771
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:02,399
Obviously that's not going to end John Hagey or anything

1772
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,760
like that, and it's not gonna shut up Ted Cruz.

1773
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,600
But this was not the conversation I expected, and we

1774
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:12,560
had an awesome time, and I think I think it

1775
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,920
will It will be a powerful you know, I'm not

1776
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,760
too to mine where. I'm just saying that this audience

1777
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,079
you know that we will be speaking to, I think

1778
01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:26,039
will be This is a good thing.

1779
01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:27,600
Speaker 3: Good.

1780
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 5: There's a certain paradox that we have, more than ever

1781
01:43:33,079 --> 01:43:36,119
before in the United States, a kind of a hysterical

1782
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:41,399
witch hunt or hate crime, anti Semitism, blah blah, blah,

1783
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:45,159
blah blah. At the same time, you can say things

1784
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:47,279
now you couldn't have said ten years ago or five

1785
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:51,239
years ago or two years ago that you know, well, look,

1786
01:43:51,279 --> 01:43:53,359
I mean I can remember what we're just talking about

1787
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,239
Zionism as an ideology. It was like the third rail.

1788
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:57,399
We just couldn't do it.

1789
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 6: And now you can't even mention.

1790
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,520
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, yeah, the sky is blue. You

1791
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,159
know I'm right. And so there's there's and and and

1792
01:44:05,319 --> 01:44:07,479
I think that's part of the reason for the hysteria

1793
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,119
why Pam Bondi is thrightening people with you know, hate

1794
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:13,880
crime prosecution or you know, being anti Semitic. However she

1795
01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:18,359
wants to define it, you know, Uh so it's you again.

1796
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,600
I think it points to some of the brittleness in

1797
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:24,880
the system where the authorities want to be repressive of,

1798
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:28,399
you know, things that are contrary to the narrative, and

1799
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:30,560
they really can't control it as much as they could before.

1800
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 4: Having said that, my next episode is called anti Semitism

1801
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,399
in the Church with GM Davis, uh who wrote the

1802
01:44:39,399 --> 01:44:45,479
book Antichrist. But yeah, he's great. It's a fantastic episode.

1803
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 3: Again.

1804
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:48,279
Speaker 4: I'm not saying we shouldn't focus on this. We should,

1805
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:51,960
but I think this thing with Fuentes and Jay this

1806
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:56,399
week start to making me think, like, I don't know,

1807
01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:00,079
the attacks on Jay on this particular particular subjec that

1808
01:45:00,279 --> 01:45:01,800
kind of annoy me. So maybe that's part of it.

1809
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 3: Man, If if the Australian authorities burst through this door

1810
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,279
and a recipe live on a stream, I'm blaming all

1811
01:45:06,319 --> 01:45:07,239
of you. That's all I'm saying.

1812
01:45:07,279 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 4: That's that's I'm a little worried for you.

1813
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can and your prayers said, your prayers

1814
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,479
and your super chats. Folks. I used to going a

1815
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,840
bug out bag, you know, just just just in case

1816
01:45:19,319 --> 01:45:20,279
I'll go.

1817
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 5: You can tell him we're not we're not anti semitic.

1818
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 6: Where what what did you say?

1819
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 3: Cut out?

1820
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 5: We're not anti semitic. We're uncle, we're not anti semitic.

1821
01:45:37,319 --> 01:45:43,359
Speaker 3: Okay, never mind, Auntie. Two dollars from found a Head

1822
01:45:43,399 --> 01:45:48,000
for him. Great day for Yabar Malaise party in Argentina.

1823
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:52,479
Talking about about Tony hats uh, he's been, he's been

1824
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,119
connected to it. I think I had gotten through most

1825
01:45:55,159 --> 01:45:58,279
of them. Here, another two dollars from fountain Head. Great. Sorry,

1826
01:45:58,319 --> 01:46:02,199
that's the same thing. I think I've gotten through most

1827
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:04,800
of them, if not all. If I've missed any, I'm sorry, folks,

1828
01:46:05,159 --> 01:46:07,880
but I want to be respectful. Everyone's time again, gentlemen,

1829
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,520
Thank you so much. Any closing thoughts or last words.

1830
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,159
Let people know where to find you, of course, and

1831
01:46:15,359 --> 01:46:19,159
what to buy and where to consume your work in general,

1832
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,760
and we'll be we'll close around.

1833
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:26,199
Speaker 4: Who goes first, Jason, you're the director.

1834
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:30,079
Speaker 3: Buck just we'll go alphabetical book.

1835
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 4: Okay, I would just first say thanks to Jay Dyer

1836
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:39,199
and Jim Jatris, two guys I look up to very

1837
01:46:39,279 --> 01:46:41,640
much and have had the pleasure of meeting in person.

1838
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,640
For those listening, they're nicer even than they seem on

1839
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:46,319
the internet.

1840
01:46:47,359 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 3: So I'm glad.

1841
01:46:48,119 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 4: I'm honored to be on a panel with both of them,

1842
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,880
and of course my good friend Jason. The show is

1843
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:58,399
called Counterflow Podcast with Buck Johnson Counterflow podcast dot com. Again,

1844
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:02,560
let's stop talking about Zionism. So my next episode is

1845
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:06,439
called Anti Semitism and the Church with GM Davis.

1846
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:09,520
Speaker 3: And the last time he's going to talk out of

1847
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:09,840
the folks.

1848
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,359
Speaker 4: It's the last time, the last time. For the next week,

1849
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:13,800
I will talk about this again.

1850
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:14,199
Speaker 3: I'm bitter.

1851
01:47:14,279 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 4: I went to John Hagen's church.

1852
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:19,079
Speaker 3: This is a wound that I need healing on.

1853
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's that's.

1854
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 3: All I got.

1855
01:47:23,119 --> 01:47:27,760
Speaker 4: I'm not important in the grand scheme here, mister j Dyer.

1856
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can find my work at Jason alsis dot com.

1857
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,600
That's all the archive material and interviews for the last

1858
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:36,720
ten years, including all the Tragy Hope lectures, including all

1859
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:40,039
the Spice here content that I couldn't openly talk about

1860
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:44,079
because of my rank cowardice the last ten years. So

1861
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,479
you can find all my cowardice behind the paywall at

1862
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,479
Jaysonnalysis dot com. You can also subscribe to me on YouTube.

1863
01:47:51,239 --> 01:47:53,560
You can find me on X. I'll start Hollywood three

1864
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,880
is available tomorrow, so I'm gonna ship it out starting tomorrow.

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Supposed to get all those cop and threes unique. They

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all stand alone, they all deal with the very different subjects,

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are kind of all different flavors of analysis, but I

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think it's a timely It's the end, pretty much the

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end of Hollywood. Hollywoods kind of dying. It served as

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purpose for propaganda and social toxification. You can check out

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on the X the multiple Info Wars interviews that we

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did basically did three hour three one hour segments on

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different topics. That's on my ex as well, and you

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can look for next week that big interview will be

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dropping dealing with Christian Zionism and other topics.

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Speaker 3: And then.

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Speaker 6: Our conference is November twentieth and twenty. First, then we

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have a Horror Convention film analysis right before Hollywood, right

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before Halloween November thirtieth in Tampa. You can find that

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on my website as well. I'm sorry as mush where

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So we drove sixteen hours so I feel like a zombie.

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Speaker 3: I'm just rambling.

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Speaker 4: So if we calculate sixteen hours from South Florida, we

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can figure out who show you were on?

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Speaker 6: Well, you can tell I was in Texas, So were

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you really okay? Well to alex Is, Texas. But I

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mean we drove eight hours to day, eight hours to day,

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eight hours a day before, so we yeah, well, yeah

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we figure out if you can figure out. Not Joe Rogan,

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it's not no.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, we all got very excited for a second,

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Buck and I we're getting excited.

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Speaker 6: No, I think it's going to happen in other Texas,

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other Texas people.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember. I can't even think anymore. Anyway, Yeah,

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we'll get louder.

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Speaker 6: The good news is that there there will hopefully be more.

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He was very pleased with the conversation, and he would

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like to do more of these conversations.

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Speaker 3: Mister Jim Jatress final thoughts, final to let people know.

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Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait, what do you final thoughts? The doctor

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said I had six more months.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's later than you think, Jim, it's later that

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I thought.

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Speaker 5: I tried to warn you at Jim Jack Attress on X.

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That's my primary platform, my own platform, only platform of

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my own. Other than that, I got nothing, folks.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We did hit that goal. So

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I will do what I do an after show. Keep

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your eyes open for that, just to get a little

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bit of break, and I'll come back on probably do

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some power washing, uh and uh, and we'll chat with

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the folks. Find folks, if you bought your membership, we'll

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put over on a member's stream. Again. Thank you so

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much for tuning in, and we are I think we

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almost broke four thousand subs already, So finally, after a

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year of tumultuous year of setbacks and all the rest

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of it, we're back on track. And thank you to

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all the people who've stayed with us all this time.

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We back next week. The plan is to be back

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next week to make this panel show a weekly show

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with different guests, So keep an eye out for that

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and follow me on X to get notifications about that.

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And thank you again all gentlemen. If you just want

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to stick around for a second, I'll just do the

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outro and we'll talk again briefly. Thanks again, folks. I

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am Jason Merinchuk and it's the layers than you think.