WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:03.600 And the man doesn't change his background. Look at you 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:06.919 changed your background. 3 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:10.720 Reminded me of the good old days and Saturday diad. 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:16.320 And you are you're sporting a South Carolina Wait can 5 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:18.760 you wait? Because that's SEC. You can do that because 6 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:19.519 West Virginia is in. 7 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:21.839 Yeah, this is my if I have to pick an 8 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:24.440 SEC team at South Carolina for the sheer reason that 9 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:28.839 I don't have one, now I had. I had one 10 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:31.640 of my best friends in undergrad went to grad school at. 11 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.240 USC East Coast, and uh so we've just. 12 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:38.479 Kind of traded allegiances and so she became a WU 13 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:40.799 fan and I picked up the South Carolina fandom. 14 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:43.560 There you go, and they they turned back to clock 15 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.200 to two thousand and one, brought Cocky out with the 16 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:51.039 Khaki Kuboos and two thousand and one a space odyssey 17 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:55.280 in addition to uh Daoud and everything, and they took 18 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.439 ATM to the proverbial woodshed out there at the fairgrounds. 19 00:00:58.439 --> 00:00:59.240 That was a fun one. 20 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.799 Yes. Love anytime that Texas A and M loses that 21 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.079 that I think is a holdover somewhat from the Big 22 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.640 twelve now to the se see. I think both conferences 23 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.519 their fans realize that they don't like them, so no, 24 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.159 we all agree. Yes, all right, So since apologies to 25 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:16.920 Anny Texas A and m fans, but not really. 26 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:18.400 I was going to say, I don't know if we 27 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.000 have any here on the on the in the in 28 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:23.959 the show or in the twitch pitch. Uh, since we're 29 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.000 on spitting down here apparently, since the appeal came from 30 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:34.239 Evangelinas Marinacas and he was denied because of cigars and expectorating, 31 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:36.359 and I didn't think that we would ever have this 32 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:38.519 kind of a mention on the show, but we certainly 33 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.480 are now. I want to start with since. 34 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.439 It's let's say, so we're talking about. 35 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.519 Yeah, we're going to talk about we're talking since we're 36 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.840 going for Maranacas and spitting down here, we'll go We'll 37 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.280 go straight to a before we get into youth national 38 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.640 teams and things. Completely and totally lost the plot completely 39 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:02.560 and totally unacceptable from a professional athlete, and did not 40 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:04.799 need to have that happen. Probably one of the worst 41 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.879 possible times is something like that could have happened. Correct, 42 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:11.680 I mean, like you lose the plot for a couple 43 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.680 of different reasons and you feel compelled to literally you 44 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.240 took what two or three strides past center f you 45 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.199 turned back around and you launch. I mean, that was 46 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.599 that was like I'm gonna think about this for a 47 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.360 second and then I'm gonna turn and do it. That 48 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:31.199 was not smart by and it ended up not being 49 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:32.879 a good result for Houston on the night. 50 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:37.240 Well, you know, I think the very first thing is 51 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.479 to remember that all this is just a game, and 52 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.919 spitting at another person is a sign of immense disrespect, 53 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:52.159 even outside of a sporting setting. And obviously Marynacus understands 54 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.639 that despite him smoking you know what amounts to I 55 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.280 guess three packs of cigarettes to day or two. 56 00:02:58.120 --> 00:02:59.879 Or three cigars plus whatever. 57 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.840 Yeah, that's not an excuse and it's certainly not something 58 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:07.759 you're allowed to do period in the game. And I 59 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.240 think actually, for some reason, thought he could get away 60 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.800 with it by doing it at the referee when he 61 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:14.919 knows for damn sure he wouldn't be able to do 62 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:20.319 that toward another player, right, that's I mean, they're they're 63 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.560 better be suspensions coming if he cares. He might retire 64 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.479 after the season. I don't think he particularly is enjoying 65 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:27.400 his time in Houston. 66 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.400 Yeah, so, uh, that was not a that was not 67 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.319 a moment for Houston to have it hell in a shell. 68 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.360 And I mean, it was a fantastic It was a 69 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.000 fantastic match and finished the way that it did. But 70 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.080 that's that's that goes into the category of iss you 71 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.639 don't issue, don't do under any circumstance, correct. 72 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:53.199 And and and again it's it's I mean, I know, 73 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:54.840 I know you're thinking, and I know you want to 74 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:57.479 not blow the explicit ratings. 75 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.879 No one's done already, But I'm just also trying to 76 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:06.599 think of like, there's no real reason to get that 77 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:10.319 upset about a call and a soccer game. You know 78 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:12.879 what I'm saying that is, that is where we're at, 79 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.479 is that you think that for some reason, this person 80 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.600 has disrespected you so badly that you feel they need 81 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.160 to spit at them, which is a higher form of 82 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.000 disrespecting them. Giving you a mere yellow card grow up 83 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:31.959 like that is absolutely childish behavior and speaks more about 84 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.439 your character than it does anything about any referee and 85 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:35.279 anything they've done. 86 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.480 And you know again, I. 87 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:46.720 Mm hmm, Bart Froze, there it is, come back to me. 88 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:49.399 Yeah, right there you go. I'm here. 89 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.519 Yeah, But no, it's just that that goes into the 90 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.879 issue don't do category and you end up making your 91 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:56.680 way out the door. 92 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:58.600 Like you could curse at a referee and it would be. 93 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.639 Less like diskay, does that make sense? Yeah, so let's 94 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:04.240 let's get into that. What where the where's the line? 95 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.360 So? I mean, like, look, if you if you curse 96 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:08.800 at a referee, you're probably getting at least a yellow card, 97 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.160 if not a red card, depending on which particular word 98 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:13.560 you use and how you use it. 99 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:16.319 I think we've talked about this. 100 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:20.279 Anytime you direct the curse word at me, yeah, that's 101 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:21.959 a red card. But if you say that's a. 102 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.480 You're it's so. So the difference is if. 103 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.240 You say, if that's a shitty call, yeah, okay, that's 104 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.279 a yellow card because that's because you're discussing the act 105 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.279 and not the act. If you say that's bullshit, if 106 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.439 you say any of that, you're getting a yellow card, 107 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.040 right that alone, that is the trigger, like you you know, 108 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:39.720 But if you. 109 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:43.439 Say you're a ship referee, yeah, well that's a red card. 110 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.079 But I understand that that is in the moment, that 111 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.680 is a pure rage reaction, you know, like I'll go, okay, 112 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.000 well here's your red card. Go sit down, think about 113 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.639 what you've done. And most of the time, like the 114 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:02.480 other players, your teammates, they under stand, right, you know, 115 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:08.920 they're gonna do the the obligatorial prof protestation of what 116 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:12.759 you've just done, but they're gonna understand, they're not gonna 117 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.279 go too hard against you. But the spitting again, it's 118 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.600 because this is a This is not a verbal, just 119 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:19.519 immediate reaction. 120 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:20.480 This was thoughtful. 121 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.360 You had to create the saliva in your mouth project 122 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.319 it towards someone that that is thoughtful, especially when you 123 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:27.879 look at what he did. Where As you mentioned, he 124 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:32.720 walks past the referee, turns, looks at them, spits mm hmm. 125 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:37.560 This was not an instant reaction out of just you know, rage. 126 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.839 This was somebody mentioning Niagara falls, you know, I mean literally, 127 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:46.000 this is slowly I turned and then bang and then 128 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.000 uh then Katie goes yeah. So, like, why was the 129 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:49.480 ben Olson. 130 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:52.319 My only guess is he didn't see what happened, which 131 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.639 means he probably also is being an idiot so. 132 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.680 Well, and I wasn't getting any and he was not 133 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.839 getting any advice and or assistance from anyone looking at 134 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:04.120 a monitor perhaps, And so. 135 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:05.800 I mean, if you would have seen that as a coach, 136 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:07.720 then I would hope that the coach would. 137 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:10.439 I don't want to say stick up for the referee. 138 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:14.079 I don't expect that, but no, you know, acknowledge, Yeah, 139 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:15.000 you just can't do that. 140 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.800 What my player did in that moment was unacceptable. We 141 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.199 will discuss it behind closed doors, and that is all 142 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.040 that I'm going to say about the matter publicly. Yeah, 143 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:24.600 you get that kind of you get give me that, 144 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:25.759 give me that sound bit. 145 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:27.800 You just say, hey, he can't do that, he knows 146 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:29.639 he can't. You know, he should know he can't do that. 147 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:33.319 And I'm sure that he'll get you know, we'll discuss 148 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:33.720 it later. 149 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:41.160 So uh yeah, so yeah, I mean it's just one 150 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.879 of those kinds of things. I want to get into 151 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:49.720 game management, and specifically Crewe and Red Bulls as the 152 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.720 context here. Uh first and foremost. 153 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.000 You're going to jump right into the Atlanta United discussions. 154 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:02.319 No, no, no, I'm that is of poor game management. 155 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.759 That is someone in the middle that kind of needs 156 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:07.240 to know what's going on. Uh we can, but we 157 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.639 can use that as a parallel and build into it. 158 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:17.199 So when you have someone who might be overwhelmed by 159 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:22.680 their surroundings and the situation, uh, you end up a 160 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:27.040 lot of times with iniquity when it comes to calls imbalance, 161 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:30.800 when it comes to calls uh you you think that 162 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.120 you set you think that you may be setting a 163 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:37.519 tone by not doing anything, and then by not doing anything, 164 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:40.879 things kind of get out of hand. I guess this 165 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.600 was probably more morphing into Atlanta and Messy and Friends 166 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.879 instead of because I was gonna. I was trying to 167 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.799 figure out, Okay, what what do I what do I 168 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.840 want to talk about with Crew and Red Bulls? And 169 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:54.919 that is that that is more of the snowball effect, 170 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.600 I guess with Crew and Red Bulls. So all right, fine, 171 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.879 let's get into game management involving uh Lanta United and friends. 172 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.240 Is sometimes there's you get iniquity with someone that doesn't 173 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.080 quite understand the room. How to read the room? Yeah, 174 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.840 and let things. Let things either breathe and be consistent 175 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:14.440 or clamp down and be consistent, because what's worse is 176 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:16.000 going all over the place. 177 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.679 Well, let me quickly address the Red Bull's Columbus match 178 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.240 and just say that. I think when you see foul 179 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.360 count iniquity, you can often say, oh, well, this is 180 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.320 a referee who looks a little bit out of his element. 181 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.879 But when you then look at the game state and 182 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.759 understand Columbus is pressing, New York is defending a lot. 183 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.440 We know that Red Bulls, while they're not, you know, 184 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.240 very red bull this year, they still are Red Bulls, 185 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.960 and they do tend to foul more than other teams. 186 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.360 I don't think that that was necessarily a ref didn't 187 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.200 know what to do in a moment, but he did 188 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:57.840 at times seem a little scared of the moment. That's 189 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.240 probably not the best word, but he definitely didn't feel 190 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:01.919 like he was up to the task. 191 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.360 And overwhelmed or intimidated or yeah. 192 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.039 But I do also think a lot of that is 193 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.120 because you have a Columbus team that knows they have 194 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.960 to come out and win right, pressing high, pressing hard, 195 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:16.879 pressing the whole game to try to get those goals, 196 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:23.679 and that's going to cause the situation where one team 197 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:25.480 is going to be more likely to foul the other 198 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.320 because they're just defending more. I mean, stats were sixty 199 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.240 forty possession. You know for Columbus, that means Red Bulls 200 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.279 are defending more frequently, and that just means you're. 201 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:36.120 Going to have more fouls. 202 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:38.960 Well, and to your point, those numbers, and I was 203 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.600 trying to find the foul numbers quickly. Fouls on the 204 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.799 day Red Bulls eighteen to six, Yeah, eighteen sick? 205 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:49.240 Does that mean that? I think that Columbus only committed 206 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:50.200 six foulsd no. 207 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:51.360 And two yellow cards. 208 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.000 Only two yellows on the eighteen fouls, right, And I 209 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.919 think that's where this is where we talk about playoff refereing, 210 00:10:57.919 --> 00:10:59.720 where you don't want to You want the players to 211 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:01.879 decide the match from themselves, right. You don't want to 212 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.639 inflict your inject your yourself into the match by giving 213 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.080 too many cards or whatnot. But the reality is eighteen 214 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:14.559 fouls to me, indicates one team was doing their job 215 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:16.440 to try to earn the yellow cards, and at some 216 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.320 point you do have to kind of reward them for 217 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:23.360 that hard work they put in. And I don't think 218 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:25.120 that a lot of referees want to do that. In 219 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:28.000 the playoffs, we definitely see the amount of cards go 220 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.559 down in knockout round situations because you don't want to 221 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.240 send someone off for doing something that possibly could be 222 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.360 seen as controversial. And a lot of times a second 223 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.559 yellow card can be controversial because now you're arguing both 224 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:42.320 yellow cards and all these things, even though most of 225 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:45.320 the time, my opinion, a second yellow card is well 226 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:50.799 warranted by the player who gets it. This was definitely 227 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:54.480 an imbalanced match, but I think it was always going 228 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:56.360 to be. And so that's kind of again where that 229 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:01.639 that is a hard you know, lyne to keep of. Okay, well, 230 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.759 where's the Yeah, these are normal fouls and okay, you've 231 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:06.080 gone too hard. 232 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:10.639 Yeah, eighteen fouls to eight on the day, two yellows 233 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:14.000 in the eighteen fouls for Red Bulls, one yellow in 234 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:19.519 the eight for Columbus. And this one, that yellow card 235 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.120 was after a foul was called on Red Bulls just 236 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.720 outside the eighteen and as folks are going around center 237 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:32.240 ref a yellow was given to Kucho, the player who 238 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:35.759 was fouled. And I'm guessing it was magic word, because 239 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:37.919 that's the only thing I can think of in this case. 240 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:38.960 It probably was. 241 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.840 Yeah, that was probably a magic word or some maybe 242 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:44.879 not a magic word, but just like descent of some level, 243 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:47.279 I think that's probably more of what it was. 244 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.320 A lah peanut butter sandwiches coming from from Kucho in 245 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.720 that case earned him a yellow card. And then you 246 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.039 have when it comes to and this was the the 247 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.000 other part of this that I wanted to get into 248 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:06.399 about crew and red bulls when it comes to refereeing 249 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:12.919 and mannerisms. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna get into 250 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:20.159 this because you have some referees who are demonstrative in 251 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.639 there in their displays, some who are you know, uh, 252 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.679 you know if like maybe like an Ismail l Fath, 253 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.120 but where you know, you have an Ismail l Fath 254 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:35.039 who is like everything everything is almost within the shoulders. 255 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.759 It's like shoulders to shoulder, We're cool, stay cool, you know, 256 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.240 tamp it down a little bit, you know, come here, 257 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.240 do this. But then there are those center refs who 258 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.600 are out here like this and they're like, you know, 259 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.200 they're bringing in planes and all this kind of stuff 260 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.000 with how they navigate a match. And I think that 261 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.879 at times you have the folks that operate outside the shoulders, 262 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:02.000 who may send things spiraling in an entirely negative direction 263 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:04.559 by being outside the shoulders when it comes to their 264 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:06.519 administration of what they're trying to say. 265 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:10.000 So this is referee training, okay, And a lot of 266 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:16.240 referees are taught to make those grand gestures. The reason 267 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.320 is because in theory, you're signaling to everyone no more, 268 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.480 don't do that again, one, two, seven, twelve, no more. 269 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.600 Whatever they're signaling, we've seen that all the time. 270 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:32.120 I personally prefer the LFAF mode of let's have a conversation. Personally, 271 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.120 I'm communicating with these players the whole time, saying, you know, 272 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.559 I'll make a call on hey, twenty seven, that's three. 273 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:39.600 Let's be careful there. 274 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:41.440 Sometimes I'll have to walk up to the player and 275 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.919 have a conversation because I don't believe in the like 276 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:48.159 you just said. I mean, when you're gesturing grandly, that 277 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:54.240 indicates almost a more dramatic event than actually occurred. 278 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:55.320 Does that make sense? 279 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.919 Yeah, you're drawing, and I've always thought that when you're 280 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.320 outside the shoulders you are I know, so that you're 281 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.960 supposed to draw attention to yourself as center ref. But 282 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:08.360 there's that tendency. I would imagine that drawing attention to 283 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.879 yourself as center ref and drawing attention to yourself, Yes, 284 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.320 that ends up blending into being the same thing as 285 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.039 opposed to being two separate things, which is what you 286 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:20.200 hope that that can be. 287 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.759 Look, I know that this game often as a telenovella, 288 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.159 but we don't need to inject ourselves as actors in 289 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:33.039 the telenovella with telenovella esque acting true, that's kind of 290 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.039 my thought, you know, yeah. 291 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.720 And so then let me come back to Atlanta. 292 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:40.600 I will just say that is training. A lot of 293 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:42.039 referees are trained to do that. 294 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.559 Ok. So they are trained literally to be outside the 295 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.919 shoulders and sit there and bring in planes and let. 296 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:53.000 Everybody your gestures look bigger than normal so that the 297 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:57.559 entire field knows what's going on. Personally, I think the 298 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.840 act of going up to have a conversation with a 299 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.120 layer is signaling enough that they have done whatever they 300 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:05.440 just did is not good. 301 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:05.600 Now. 302 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:07.600 I do think that you know the one two three 303 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.120 pointing that that does help, right, And some of that is. 304 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.360 Language barrier issues, right like you can't. 305 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.639 But I you know, you can say, hey, that's enough, 306 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:19.720 or you can do this, or you can go you 307 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:25.840 know there there are ways to still be within yourself and. 308 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.320 Not act like they're you know, being scolded by nanny. 309 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.279 And then let me let me continue on crew and 310 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.559 red bulls here where when you're in a heated situation, 311 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:47.200 how it was well then then how but then how 312 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.360 do you as a center ref in a heated situation. 313 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:52.279 Like I said, using the context of what we saw 314 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.600 in Crew and Red Bulls, how do you in a 315 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:00.240 match that is heated, keep yourself from getting heated and 316 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:04.160 get involved in the emotion of the match, Because I 317 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:08.839 think there were times where we saw folks getting overheated 318 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.880 and then you would end up with center F matching 319 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.359 that temperature in a scrumm er what have you. And 320 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.640 I think it was the and the one moment that 321 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.680 sticks into my mind is the element where Kucho's fouled 322 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.920 just outside the eighteen. Crew is lobbying for a penalty 323 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:25.960 or at least the check to var Red Bulls are 324 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.440 in referee face. Everything's getting elevated, people talking in ears, 325 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.039 and Kucho ends up getting the yellow and it looked like, 326 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.720 I mean literally, it looked like center F is like 327 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:41.640 getting matching that level of challenge, emotional challenge from both 328 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.160 Crew and Red Bulls to each other. How do you 329 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.400 keep from navigating to that point to where it does 330 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:48.359 risk blowing up and. 331 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.519 Get let's be real, honest, John, to blame the referee 332 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:55.480 for a match getting that heated because twenty two players 333 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.960 on the field, plus seven coaches on each bench, plus 334 00:17:58.039 --> 00:17:59.920 you know, the seven subs on each bench, plus twenty 335 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.119 seven thousand fans or however many were actually. 336 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:02.599 In Red Bulls. 337 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:04.440 Now, actually it was a decent. 338 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.119 You know, twenty seven thousand fans, I think is what 339 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.319 that place holds like to blame the referee for somehow 340 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.839 losing their emotion a little bit in that situation, while 341 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.400 not also blaming the players for having the audacity to 342 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.680 I mean again, it's like you had it felt like, 343 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:26.039 you know, if each team has eleven players on the field, 344 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.079 in that moment, it felt like twelve players from each 345 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.680 team were somehow surrounding the referee. Yeah, you know, and 346 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.920 and to again, that is the point that we've been 347 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.000 talking about with mass confrontations, with crowding the referee, with 348 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.039 ohing talk to referees. I know that's not something in 349 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.359 the molest that they do necessarily, but like that is 350 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.799 the point is to reduce that problem because as soon 351 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.200 as you go up into a referee face, you yourself 352 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.200 have taken the responsibility on yourself that you may be 353 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:57.359 getting some sort of punishment that's not you, that's not 354 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:59.400 the referee for you getting in their face. Because if 355 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.079 any other norm human in any other situation, gets in 356 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:06.359 your face and then brings eight of their friends with them. 357 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.400 What is your what is your reaction going to be? 358 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:10.200 Right? 359 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.039 And that's going to be defensive and it's going to 360 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:17.039 be either to match energy or to retreat, and you 361 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:18.319 can't retreat as a referee. 362 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:20.519 How do you then, then, let me ask, then how 363 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.759 do you defuse as a referee in that situation? 364 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:26.799 Because like we're telling them all dun ass idiots, you know, 365 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.039 I mean, well, then you know that the problem can't say, 366 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.160 but if we go back to the l Fath model, say, 367 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:37.799 uh he and JayR Marufo and a couple of others 368 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:42.200 in these mass confrontation situations, they're still within the shoulders. Yeah, 369 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.400 and that again is training, right, they they have trained 370 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.279 themselves to do that. I also think, you know, to 371 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.799 a great extent, fitness is a big component of this 372 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.880 because if you and again you know, to expect a 373 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:59.200 referee to be at the same fitness level as a 374 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:01.240 professional athlete is a little unfair. 375 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:02.480 But fitness can come into this. 376 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:09.119 If you've allowed yourself to get physically overheated and slightly exhausted, 377 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.480 your blood pressure I mean again, your blood pressure is 378 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:16.720 already up because you're running around all these places. It's hard, John, 379 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:20.519 It is especially when people are acting like you've just 380 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:22.960 told them that their mother is the worst person who's 381 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.960 ever lived and has been friendly with about forty seven 382 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.400 X presidents. You know that is tough to deal with 383 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.319 your mom, right, I mean when you're talking about you know, 384 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.880 George Washington and their mom and your mom, then that's 385 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.680 that's gonna be problematic, And it's hard to keep yourself 386 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.680 checked because again, you're a human. Referees are human, I 387 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.200 want to repeat, Referees are human what and we can 388 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:53.079 expect consistently, we can expect certain levels of performance, But 389 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:57.880 the emotional side is hard because again you're the only 390 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.920 person out there who both teams hate. And again, I 391 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.000 know Jason has this conversation almost all the time that 392 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.599 you can't see the referee as the enemy. Well, a 393 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:10.119 lot of these players assume hectere era that the referees. 394 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:13.559 Are automatically enemies, right, And you know in. 395 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.920 This particular situation where you have a contentious foul, and 396 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.519 that's the thing, fouls are going to be contentious. It 397 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:23.359 red bulls are arguing that it's not a foul even 398 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:26.079 though he was clearly fouled because no player has ever 399 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:28.160 committed a foul on your team, which is again the 400 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.559 dumbest mindset I've ever had. Is you're playing a sport 401 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:34.920