Speaker 1: And the man doesn't change his background. Look at you
Speaker 1: changed your background.
Speaker 2: Reminded me of the good old days and Saturday diad.
Speaker 1: And you are you're sporting a South Carolina Wait can
Speaker 1: you wait? Because that's SEC. You can do that because
Speaker 1: West Virginia is in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is my if I have to pick an
Speaker 3: SEC team at South Carolina for the sheer reason that
Speaker 3: I don't have one, now I had. I had one
Speaker 3: of my best friends in undergrad went to grad school at.
Speaker 2: USC East Coast, and uh so we've just.
Speaker 3: Kind of traded allegiances and so she became a WU
Speaker 3: fan and I picked up the South Carolina fandom.
Speaker 1: There you go, and they they turned back to clock
Speaker 1: to two thousand and one, brought Cocky out with the
Speaker 1: Khaki Kuboos and two thousand and one a space odyssey
Speaker 1: in addition to uh Daoud and everything, and they took
Speaker 1: ATM to the proverbial woodshed out there at the fairgrounds.
Speaker 1: That was a fun one.
Speaker 3: Yes. Love anytime that Texas A and M loses that
Speaker 3: that I think is a holdover somewhat from the Big
Speaker 3: twelve now to the se see. I think both conferences
Speaker 3: their fans realize that they don't like them, so no,
Speaker 3: we all agree. Yes, all right, So since apologies to
Speaker 3: Anny Texas A and m fans, but not really.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I don't know if we
Speaker 1: have any here on the on the in the in
Speaker 1: the show or in the twitch pitch. Uh, since we're
Speaker 1: on spitting down here apparently, since the appeal came from
Speaker 1: Evangelinas Marinacas and he was denied because of cigars and expectorating,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think that we would ever have this
Speaker 1: kind of a mention on the show, but we certainly
Speaker 1: are now. I want to start with since.
Speaker 3: It's let's say, so we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about we're talking since we're
Speaker 1: going for Maranacas and spitting down here, we'll go We'll
Speaker 1: go straight to a before we get into youth national
Speaker 1: teams and things. Completely and totally lost the plot completely
Speaker 1: and totally unacceptable from a professional athlete, and did not
Speaker 1: need to have that happen. Probably one of the worst
Speaker 1: possible times is something like that could have happened. Correct,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you lose the plot for a couple
Speaker 1: of different reasons and you feel compelled to literally you
Speaker 1: took what two or three strides past center f you
Speaker 1: turned back around and you launch. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: that was like I'm gonna think about this for a
Speaker 1: second and then I'm gonna turn and do it. That
Speaker 1: was not smart by and it ended up not being
Speaker 1: a good result for Houston on the night.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think the very first thing is
Speaker 3: to remember that all this is just a game, and
Speaker 3: spitting at another person is a sign of immense disrespect,
Speaker 3: even outside of a sporting setting. And obviously Marynacus understands
Speaker 3: that despite him smoking you know what amounts to I
Speaker 3: guess three packs of cigarettes to day or two.
Speaker 1: Or three cigars plus whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not an excuse and it's certainly not something
Speaker 3: you're allowed to do period in the game. And I
Speaker 3: think actually, for some reason, thought he could get away
Speaker 3: with it by doing it at the referee when he
Speaker 3: knows for damn sure he wouldn't be able to do
Speaker 3: that toward another player, right, that's I mean, they're they're
Speaker 3: better be suspensions coming if he cares. He might retire
Speaker 3: after the season. I don't think he particularly is enjoying
Speaker 3: his time in Houston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh, that was not a that was not
Speaker 1: a moment for Houston to have it hell in a shell.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it was a fantastic It was a
Speaker 1: fantastic match and finished the way that it did. But
Speaker 1: that's that's that goes into the category of iss you
Speaker 1: don't issue, don't do under any circumstance, correct.
Speaker 2: And and and again it's it's I mean, I know,
Speaker 2: I know you're thinking, and I know you want to
Speaker 2: not blow the explicit ratings.
Speaker 3: No one's done already, But I'm just also trying to
Speaker 3: think of like, there's no real reason to get that
Speaker 3: upset about a call and a soccer game. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying that is, that is where we're at,
Speaker 3: is that you think that for some reason, this person
Speaker 3: has disrespected you so badly that you feel they need
Speaker 3: to spit at them, which is a higher form of
Speaker 3: disrespecting them. Giving you a mere yellow card grow up
Speaker 3: like that is absolutely childish behavior and speaks more about
Speaker 3: your character than it does anything about any referee and
Speaker 3: anything they've done.
Speaker 2: And you know again, I.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Bart Froze, there it is, come back to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right there you go. I'm here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But no, it's just that that goes into the
Speaker 1: issue don't do category and you end up making your
Speaker 1: way out the door.
Speaker 3: Like you could curse at a referee and it would be.
Speaker 1: Less like diskay, does that make sense? Yeah, so let's
Speaker 1: let's get into that. What where the where's the line?
Speaker 3: So? I mean, like, look, if you if you curse
Speaker 3: at a referee, you're probably getting at least a yellow card,
Speaker 3: if not a red card, depending on which particular word
Speaker 3: you use and how you use it.
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this.
Speaker 3: Anytime you direct the curse word at me, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a red card. But if you say that's a.
Speaker 1: You're it's so. So the difference is if.
Speaker 3: You say, if that's a shitty call, yeah, okay, that's
Speaker 3: a yellow card because that's because you're discussing the act
Speaker 3: and not the act. If you say that's bullshit, if
Speaker 3: you say any of that, you're getting a yellow card,
Speaker 3: right that alone, that is the trigger, like you you know,
Speaker 3: But if you.
Speaker 2: Say you're a ship referee, yeah, well that's a red card.
Speaker 3: But I understand that that is in the moment, that
Speaker 3: is a pure rage reaction, you know, like I'll go, okay,
Speaker 3: well here's your red card. Go sit down, think about
Speaker 3: what you've done. And most of the time, like the
Speaker 3: other players, your teammates, they under stand, right, you know,
Speaker 3: they're gonna do the the obligatorial prof protestation of what
Speaker 3: you've just done, but they're gonna understand, they're not gonna
Speaker 3: go too hard against you. But the spitting again, it's
Speaker 3: because this is a This is not a verbal, just
Speaker 3: immediate reaction.
Speaker 2: This was thoughtful.
Speaker 3: You had to create the saliva in your mouth project
Speaker 3: it towards someone that that is thoughtful, especially when you
Speaker 3: look at what he did. Where As you mentioned, he
Speaker 3: walks past the referee, turns, looks at them, spits mm hmm.
Speaker 2: This was not an instant reaction out of just you know, rage.
Speaker 1: This was somebody mentioning Niagara falls, you know, I mean literally,
Speaker 1: this is slowly I turned and then bang and then
Speaker 1: uh then Katie goes yeah. So, like, why was the
Speaker 1: ben Olson.
Speaker 3: My only guess is he didn't see what happened, which
Speaker 3: means he probably also is being an idiot so.
Speaker 1: Well, and I wasn't getting any and he was not
Speaker 1: getting any advice and or assistance from anyone looking at
Speaker 1: a monitor perhaps, And so.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you would have seen that as a coach,
Speaker 3: then I would hope that the coach would.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say stick up for the referee.
Speaker 3: I don't expect that, but no, you know, acknowledge, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you just can't do that.
Speaker 1: What my player did in that moment was unacceptable. We
Speaker 1: will discuss it behind closed doors, and that is all
Speaker 1: that I'm going to say about the matter publicly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get that kind of you get give me that,
Speaker 1: give me that sound bit.
Speaker 3: You just say, hey, he can't do that, he knows
Speaker 3: he can't. You know, he should know he can't do that.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that he'll get you know, we'll discuss
Speaker 3: it later.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, so yeah, I mean it's just one
Speaker 1: of those kinds of things. I want to get into
Speaker 1: game management, and specifically Crewe and Red Bulls as the
Speaker 1: context here. Uh first and foremost.
Speaker 2: You're going to jump right into the Atlanta United discussions.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm that is of poor game management.
Speaker 1: That is someone in the middle that kind of needs
Speaker 1: to know what's going on. Uh we can, but we
Speaker 1: can use that as a parallel and build into it.
Speaker 1: So when you have someone who might be overwhelmed by
Speaker 1: their surroundings and the situation, uh, you end up a
Speaker 1: lot of times with iniquity when it comes to calls imbalance,
Speaker 1: when it comes to calls uh you you think that
Speaker 1: you set you think that you may be setting a
Speaker 1: tone by not doing anything, and then by not doing anything,
Speaker 1: things kind of get out of hand. I guess this
Speaker 1: was probably more morphing into Atlanta and Messy and Friends
Speaker 1: instead of because I was gonna. I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, what what do I what do I
Speaker 1: want to talk about with Crew and Red Bulls? And
Speaker 1: that is that that is more of the snowball effect,
Speaker 1: I guess with Crew and Red Bulls. So all right, fine,
Speaker 1: let's get into game management involving uh Lanta United and friends.
Speaker 1: Is sometimes there's you get iniquity with someone that doesn't
Speaker 1: quite understand the room. How to read the room? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let things. Let things either breathe and be consistent
Speaker 1: or clamp down and be consistent, because what's worse is
Speaker 1: going all over the place.
Speaker 3: Well, let me quickly address the Red Bull's Columbus match
Speaker 3: and just say that. I think when you see foul
Speaker 3: count iniquity, you can often say, oh, well, this is
Speaker 3: a referee who looks a little bit out of his element.
Speaker 3: But when you then look at the game state and
Speaker 3: understand Columbus is pressing, New York is defending a lot.
Speaker 3: We know that Red Bulls, while they're not, you know,
Speaker 3: very red bull this year, they still are Red Bulls,
Speaker 3: and they do tend to foul more than other teams.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that was necessarily a ref didn't
Speaker 3: know what to do in a moment, but he did
Speaker 3: at times seem a little scared of the moment. That's
Speaker 3: probably not the best word, but he definitely didn't feel
Speaker 3: like he was up to the task.
Speaker 1: And overwhelmed or intimidated or yeah.
Speaker 3: But I do also think a lot of that is
Speaker 3: because you have a Columbus team that knows they have
Speaker 3: to come out and win right, pressing high, pressing hard,
Speaker 3: pressing the whole game to try to get those goals,
Speaker 3: and that's going to cause the situation where one team
Speaker 3: is going to be more likely to foul the other
Speaker 3: because they're just defending more. I mean, stats were sixty
Speaker 3: forty possession. You know for Columbus, that means Red Bulls
Speaker 3: are defending more frequently, and that just means you're.
Speaker 2: Going to have more fouls.
Speaker 1: Well, and to your point, those numbers, and I was
Speaker 1: trying to find the foul numbers quickly. Fouls on the
Speaker 1: day Red Bulls eighteen to six, Yeah, eighteen sick?
Speaker 3: Does that mean that? I think that Columbus only committed
Speaker 3: six foulsd no.
Speaker 1: And two yellow cards.
Speaker 3: Only two yellows on the eighteen fouls, right, And I
Speaker 3: think that's where this is where we talk about playoff refereing,
Speaker 3: where you don't want to You want the players to
Speaker 3: decide the match from themselves, right. You don't want to
Speaker 3: inflict your inject your yourself into the match by giving
Speaker 3: too many cards or whatnot. But the reality is eighteen
Speaker 3: fouls to me, indicates one team was doing their job
Speaker 3: to try to earn the yellow cards, and at some
Speaker 3: point you do have to kind of reward them for
Speaker 3: that hard work they put in. And I don't think
Speaker 3: that a lot of referees want to do that. In
Speaker 3: the playoffs, we definitely see the amount of cards go
Speaker 3: down in knockout round situations because you don't want to
Speaker 3: send someone off for doing something that possibly could be
Speaker 3: seen as controversial. And a lot of times a second
Speaker 3: yellow card can be controversial because now you're arguing both
Speaker 3: yellow cards and all these things, even though most of
Speaker 3: the time, my opinion, a second yellow card is well
Speaker 3: warranted by the player who gets it. This was definitely
Speaker 3: an imbalanced match, but I think it was always going
Speaker 3: to be. And so that's kind of again where that
Speaker 3: that is a hard you know, lyne to keep of. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: where's the Yeah, these are normal fouls and okay, you've
Speaker 3: gone too hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteen fouls to eight on the day, two yellows
Speaker 1: in the eighteen fouls for Red Bulls, one yellow in
Speaker 1: the eight for Columbus. And this one, that yellow card
Speaker 1: was after a foul was called on Red Bulls just
Speaker 1: outside the eighteen and as folks are going around center
Speaker 1: ref a yellow was given to Kucho, the player who
Speaker 1: was fouled. And I'm guessing it was magic word, because
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I can think of in this case.
Speaker 2: It probably was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was probably a magic word or some maybe
Speaker 3: not a magic word, but just like descent of some level,
Speaker 3: I think that's probably more of what it was.
Speaker 1: A lah peanut butter sandwiches coming from from Kucho in
Speaker 1: that case earned him a yellow card. And then you
Speaker 1: have when it comes to and this was the the
Speaker 1: other part of this that I wanted to get into
Speaker 1: about crew and red bulls when it comes to refereeing
Speaker 1: and mannerisms. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna get into
Speaker 1: this because you have some referees who are demonstrative in
Speaker 1: there in their displays, some who are you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know if like maybe like an Ismail l Fath,
Speaker 1: but where you know, you have an Ismail l Fath
Speaker 1: who is like everything everything is almost within the shoulders.
Speaker 1: It's like shoulders to shoulder, We're cool, stay cool, you know,
Speaker 1: tamp it down a little bit, you know, come here,
Speaker 1: do this. But then there are those center refs who
Speaker 1: are out here like this and they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're bringing in planes and all this kind of stuff
Speaker 1: with how they navigate a match. And I think that
Speaker 1: at times you have the folks that operate outside the shoulders,
Speaker 1: who may send things spiraling in an entirely negative direction
Speaker 1: by being outside the shoulders when it comes to their
Speaker 1: administration of what they're trying to say.
Speaker 3: So this is referee training, okay, And a lot of
Speaker 3: referees are taught to make those grand gestures. The reason
Speaker 3: is because in theory, you're signaling to everyone no more,
Speaker 3: don't do that again, one, two, seven, twelve, no more.
Speaker 2: Whatever they're signaling, we've seen that all the time.
Speaker 3: I personally prefer the LFAF mode of let's have a conversation. Personally,
Speaker 3: I'm communicating with these players the whole time, saying, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll make a call on hey, twenty seven, that's three.
Speaker 2: Let's be careful there.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll have to walk up to the player and
Speaker 3: have a conversation because I don't believe in the like
Speaker 3: you just said. I mean, when you're gesturing grandly, that
Speaker 3: indicates almost a more dramatic event than actually occurred.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're drawing, and I've always thought that when you're
Speaker 1: outside the shoulders you are I know, so that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to draw attention to yourself as center ref. But
Speaker 1: there's that tendency. I would imagine that drawing attention to
Speaker 1: yourself as center ref and drawing attention to yourself, Yes,
Speaker 1: that ends up blending into being the same thing as
Speaker 1: opposed to being two separate things, which is what you
Speaker 1: hope that that can be.
Speaker 3: Look, I know that this game often as a telenovella,
Speaker 3: but we don't need to inject ourselves as actors in
Speaker 3: the telenovella with telenovella esque acting true, that's kind of
Speaker 3: my thought, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: And so then let me come back to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I will just say that is training. A lot of
Speaker 2: referees are trained to do that.
Speaker 1: Ok. So they are trained literally to be outside the
Speaker 1: shoulders and sit there and bring in planes and let.
Speaker 3: Everybody your gestures look bigger than normal so that the
Speaker 3: entire field knows what's going on. Personally, I think the
Speaker 3: act of going up to have a conversation with a
Speaker 3: layer is signaling enough that they have done whatever they
Speaker 3: just did is not good.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I do think that you know the one two three
Speaker 3: pointing that that does help, right, And some of that is.
Speaker 2: Language barrier issues, right like you can't.
Speaker 3: But I you know, you can say, hey, that's enough,
Speaker 3: or you can do this, or you can go you
Speaker 3: know there there are ways to still be within yourself and.
Speaker 2: Not act like they're you know, being scolded by nanny.
Speaker 1: And then let me let me continue on crew and
Speaker 1: red bulls here where when you're in a heated situation,
Speaker 1: how it was well then then how but then how
Speaker 1: do you as a center ref in a heated situation.
Speaker 1: Like I said, using the context of what we saw
Speaker 1: in Crew and Red Bulls, how do you in a
Speaker 1: match that is heated, keep yourself from getting heated and
Speaker 1: get involved in the emotion of the match, Because I
Speaker 1: think there were times where we saw folks getting overheated
Speaker 1: and then you would end up with center F matching
Speaker 1: that temperature in a scrumm er what have you. And
Speaker 1: I think it was the and the one moment that
Speaker 1: sticks into my mind is the element where Kucho's fouled
Speaker 1: just outside the eighteen. Crew is lobbying for a penalty
Speaker 1: or at least the check to var Red Bulls are
Speaker 1: in referee face. Everything's getting elevated, people talking in ears,
Speaker 1: and Kucho ends up getting the yellow and it looked like,
Speaker 1: I mean literally, it looked like center F is like
Speaker 1: getting matching that level of challenge, emotional challenge from both
Speaker 1: Crew and Red Bulls to each other. How do you
Speaker 1: keep from navigating to that point to where it does
Speaker 1: risk blowing up and.
Speaker 3: Get let's be real, honest, John, to blame the referee
Speaker 3: for a match getting that heated because twenty two players
Speaker 3: on the field, plus seven coaches on each bench, plus
Speaker 3: you know, the seven subs on each bench, plus twenty
Speaker 3: seven thousand fans or however many were actually.
Speaker 2: In Red Bulls.
Speaker 1: Now, actually it was a decent.
Speaker 3: You know, twenty seven thousand fans, I think is what
Speaker 3: that place holds like to blame the referee for somehow
Speaker 3: losing their emotion a little bit in that situation, while
Speaker 3: not also blaming the players for having the audacity to
Speaker 3: I mean again, it's like you had it felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, if each team has eleven players on the field,
Speaker 3: in that moment, it felt like twelve players from each
Speaker 3: team were somehow surrounding the referee. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 3: and to again, that is the point that we've been
Speaker 3: talking about with mass confrontations, with crowding the referee, with
Speaker 3: ohing talk to referees. I know that's not something in
Speaker 3: the molest that they do necessarily, but like that is
Speaker 3: the point is to reduce that problem because as soon
Speaker 3: as you go up into a referee face, you yourself
Speaker 3: have taken the responsibility on yourself that you may be
Speaker 3: getting some sort of punishment that's not you, that's not
Speaker 3: the referee for you getting in their face. Because if
Speaker 3: any other norm human in any other situation, gets in
Speaker 3: your face and then brings eight of their friends with them.
Speaker 2: What is your what is your reaction going to be?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And that's going to be defensive and it's going to
Speaker 2: be either to match energy or to retreat, and you
Speaker 2: can't retreat as a referee.
Speaker 1: How do you then, then, let me ask, then how
Speaker 1: do you defuse as a referee in that situation?
Speaker 3: Because like we're telling them all dun ass idiots, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, well, then you know that the problem can't say,
Speaker 3: but if we go back to the l Fath model, say,
Speaker 3: uh he and JayR Marufo and a couple of others
Speaker 3: in these mass confrontation situations, they're still within the shoulders. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that again is training, right, they they have trained
Speaker 3: themselves to do that. I also think, you know, to
Speaker 3: a great extent, fitness is a big component of this
Speaker 3: because if you and again you know, to expect a
Speaker 3: referee to be at the same fitness level as a
Speaker 3: professional athlete is a little unfair.
Speaker 2: But fitness can come into this.
Speaker 3: If you've allowed yourself to get physically overheated and slightly exhausted,
Speaker 3: your blood pressure I mean again, your blood pressure is
Speaker 3: already up because you're running around all these places. It's hard, John,
Speaker 3: It is especially when people are acting like you've just
Speaker 3: told them that their mother is the worst person who's
Speaker 3: ever lived and has been friendly with about forty seven
Speaker 3: X presidents. You know that is tough to deal with
Speaker 3: your mom, right, I mean when you're talking about you know,
Speaker 3: George Washington and their mom and your mom, then that's
Speaker 3: that's gonna be problematic, And it's hard to keep yourself
Speaker 3: checked because again, you're a human. Referees are human, I
Speaker 3: want to repeat, Referees are human what and we can
Speaker 3: expect consistently, we can expect certain levels of performance, But
Speaker 3: the emotional side is hard because again you're the only
Speaker 3: person out there who both teams hate. And again, I
Speaker 3: know Jason has this conversation almost all the time that
Speaker 3: you can't see the referee as the enemy. Well, a
Speaker 3: lot of these players assume hectere era that the referees.
Speaker 2: Are automatically enemies, right, And you know in.
Speaker 3: This particular situation where you have a contentious foul, and
Speaker 3: that's the thing, fouls are going to be contentious. It
Speaker 3: red bulls are arguing that it's not a foul even
Speaker 3: though he was clearly fouled because no player has ever
Speaker 3: committed a foul on your team, which is again the
Speaker 3: dumbest mindset I've ever had. Is you're playing a sport
Speaker 3: where you're going to foul people. Stop acting like every
Speaker 3: time you foul someone you didn't foil them, right, Take
Speaker 3: some sort of accountability and ownership. But then you have
Speaker 3: Columbus trying to argue tho, oh, well it is a
Speaker 3: foul and it's actually a penalty kick. Why don't you
Speaker 3: give us a penalty kick? How dare you? You know?
Speaker 3: As the referee, you're sitting there going like, Okay, well
Speaker 3: one of y'all is wrong. Both of y'all are wrong
Speaker 3: or I'm wrong, which one is it? And I'm pretty
Speaker 3: confident that I'm not wrong slash. We got video upstairs
Speaker 3: that will tell me if I'm wrong or not. And
Speaker 3: so that's where it's kind of really frustrating as a referee,
Speaker 3: and especially at the professional level, where you have so
Speaker 3: many people who are very good at their craft who somehow,
Speaker 3: for some reason think that you're wrong about every single
Speaker 3: thing you've ever said, done, or you know, existed.
Speaker 1: And then getting back into before we get into stuff overseas,
Speaker 1: the overseas reffing down here. Fourteen fouls called in the match,
Speaker 1: with Atlanta and Messian Friends, seven on each side, but
Speaker 1: for Atlanta, four of the seven fouls resulted in yellow cards,
Speaker 1: where only one was for Messian Friend.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And I thought rubeal Basquez had a very bad game.
Speaker 3: I want to put this out there, don't. I thought,
Speaker 3: if you want to talk about a guy who lost
Speaker 3: himself in the moment, that is Rubal Basquez. Because Miami
Speaker 3: had at least two fouls before Atlanta got our first
Speaker 3: yellow card that should have been yellow cards. I forget
Speaker 3: exactly the two players, but there were two fouls in
Speaker 3: the midfield where I think it was one that Fortune
Speaker 3: got stepped on.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 3: Where it was like, okay, I understand you don't want
Speaker 3: to give a yellow card, but the guy just stepped
Speaker 3: on a player like harshly. That can be a yellow card.
Speaker 3: And then our first yellow card was a I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a yellow card, but it's not like it was.
Speaker 3: It was under the threshold that Miami got away with.
Speaker 2: And we don't need to talk about.
Speaker 3: The Brad thing, because you know, I'm going to say
Speaker 3: things that are going to piss people off in the comments,
Speaker 3: but because as a whole lost the confidence of everyone
Speaker 3: on the Atlanta side, because he did not hold the
Speaker 3: same standard. And that's the that's the difference between the
Speaker 3: Red Bulls Columbus match, I think and this match is.
Speaker 3: I think in the Red Bulls Columbus match, there are
Speaker 3: two different standards. When you're looking at a team who
Speaker 3: is pressing to go score a bunch of goals, and
Speaker 3: so one team's defending a lot and you're just naturally
Speaker 3: going to have a lot of fouls, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: eighteen fouls from Red bull They got lucky they didn't
Speaker 3: get more yellow cards, you know, and the one for
Speaker 3: Columbus was obviously I think descent like that is just
Speaker 3: what it is. Whereas on the Miami side of things,
Speaker 3: they were allowed to get away with some things at
Speaker 3: least in the sense of not getting yellow cards and
Speaker 3: sometimes not even fouls.
Speaker 2: That Atlanta didn't get the same luxury to do.
Speaker 3: And Atlanta was defending a lot in this match as well,
Speaker 3: not as much.
Speaker 2: As Red Bulls.
Speaker 3: But I thought Vaskaz just also did not inspire confidence
Speaker 3: throughout the game. I mean, I know that's hard when
Speaker 3: you have sixty eight thousand people rooting against Messi and
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, Messi's the best thing that's
Speaker 3: ever existed. I thought we're just supposed to have him win,
Speaker 3: and you actually have people rooting against Messi, which would
Speaker 3: noll was a different feeling for Miami. They were probably like,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about. I thought everyone's supposed to
Speaker 3: come here and love us. And I know that rocked them,
Speaker 3: you know. And it certainly did not look like Vasquaz
Speaker 3: had ever been in front of sixty eight thousand people before.
Speaker 2: Because he.
Speaker 3: Even the handling of the Gazan incident was not an
Speaker 3: inspiring incident, right. He could have easily just said no,
Speaker 3: I don't think so, you know, and we're moving on.
Speaker 3: But he it was. It was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand.
Speaker 3: Brad felt the way he felt, yeah, because you're just
Speaker 3: credit that.
Speaker 1: But and I think and I think that as Katie
Speaker 1: wants this, this disgust it to me. And this is
Speaker 1: the benefit of looking at something through replay. It looks
Speaker 1: like that that Brad had something in his periphery as
Speaker 1: he was going on to follow through, and I think
Speaker 1: he chunked it.
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to be honest, I think this
Speaker 3: is more you need to blame Brad than you needed
Speaker 3: to blame the referee. And I'm really sorry to Atlanta fans.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that in his follow through, I think
Speaker 1: he hit the turf first and didn't hit ball first.
Speaker 3: And I think he definitely was impacted by saying something
Speaker 3: in his peripheral. Yeah, and I think that that was
Speaker 3: not impeding progress, you know.
Speaker 1: So that really is okay? So then all right, so
Speaker 1: then since we're here, let's discuss impeding progress. So what
Speaker 1: is what is impeding progress as you see something in
Speaker 1: your periphery? And I think this is where Brad was going.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean the idea of impeding progress.
Speaker 1: Let's get into impeding progress and what that is and
Speaker 1: what it is considered there.
Speaker 3: Well, so impeding would mean being in the way of
Speaker 3: He was in the way of Brad, not not in
Speaker 3: the area of you know, was he probably closer than
Speaker 3: referees would normally allow. Yeah, but that's also.
Speaker 2: On Brad.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're sorry, it's on Brad. There was no contact,
Speaker 3: even his kind of juke into him, which absolutely could
Speaker 3: have been called it, like I think Vazquez could have
Speaker 3: absolutely called and said no, no, no, no, you definitely ran into him.
Speaker 3: But he didn't, and that would have had to been
Speaker 3: called almost in the moment, not after the goal is scored.
Speaker 3: That's the other problem. Yeah, once you let that go,
Speaker 3: you've decided to let it go. There's no clear and
Speaker 3: obvious error for VR to review, right, And you know,
Speaker 3: do I think maybe they should have spent slightly He
Speaker 3: could have spent slightly longer being like no, I'm checking, No,
Speaker 3: I'm checking. At least pretend, you know, sell it like no,
Speaker 3: we're good, you know, And then let Brad be mad
Speaker 3: because he's the one who messed up another Brad Guzanne
Speaker 3: gaff in a knockout round game in Atlanta. But I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: it's it wasn't really, you know, it wasn't impeding the goalkeeper.
Speaker 3: He was not physically in the way. That's just what
Speaker 3: it is. It's not I happen to be in the
Speaker 3: line of sight. This isn't off side. And Brad is
Speaker 3: the one in control of the situation where he's got
Speaker 3: the ball. If he thinks that he's impeding them, don't
Speaker 3: kick the ball or kick it.
Speaker 1: Have it hit the player, go see and then you
Speaker 1: sit there and you go and then you get a
Speaker 1: whistle on a review.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And so I'm sorry Brad. While he may
Speaker 3: think he was impeded, he's the one who messed this up.
Speaker 1: Okay. One other rule before we get into stuff overseas,
Speaker 1: and I do want to ask about a do and
Speaker 1: arsenal considering that came out this morning, and that'll be
Speaker 1: that'll be our transition into talking about other things. Uh,
Speaker 1: defining a foul throw and determining a foul throw versus
Speaker 1: movement of the ball as it's coming out of players' hands,
Speaker 1: because that was something that came up this this weekend
Speaker 1: as well. Uh, you know, foul throw was called, but
Speaker 1: was it because of stepping over the line? Was? And
Speaker 1: then it looks like movement is not creating a foul throw,
Speaker 1: is just how it slips out of a player's hands
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. So what is what is a
Speaker 1: foul throw? The determinations of it, and then how do
Speaker 1: you manage Uh.
Speaker 3: Call John, I gotta be real honest with you that
Speaker 3: the vibe space call. I'm sorry, and I know that's
Speaker 3: not the answer you want, but look, we have we
Speaker 3: have standards and the laws of the game and what
Speaker 3: if a thrown should be right, you have to have
Speaker 3: both feet on the ground, Your shoulders need to be
Speaker 3: perpendicularity where you're throwing the ball in that type of
Speaker 3: all this stuff, right, you're supposed to.
Speaker 2: Go behind the head and in front of the head.
Speaker 3: We have a we have all these rules. It's not
Speaker 3: even flexible. It's like, how do I say this nicely?
Speaker 3: If you look at it and you go, that's ugly, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna call it. I think of it a
Speaker 3: lot of like a double and volleyball, where as someone
Speaker 3: who used to referee volleyball, like, yes, there are technically
Speaker 3: you should not be when you're setting, especially yeah, double contacting, right,
Speaker 3: it needs to be two hands at the same time.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: We allow setters and non setters, but we allow setters
Speaker 3: some grace of the moving. You know, there's wiggle wim
Speaker 3: But the real test is did it look ugly?
Speaker 1: Yah?
Speaker 2: Did it go okay? That's the devil? Yeah, NFL throw
Speaker 2: for a foul throw you need.
Speaker 3: The biggest one I'll always say is if that foot
Speaker 3: comes up, we need to call it.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely something. But all of this m.
Speaker 3: John, it's just I'm really sorry, y'all, but that's the reality.
Speaker 3: And here's the here's the explanation I always give people.
Speaker 3: Of all the things in a soccer game, of all
Speaker 3: the things, throwing the ball in most of the time
Speaker 3: mm hmm is the least consequential thing. Now, I know,
Speaker 3: Atlanta United, because they fell asleep, considered a goal that
Speaker 3: ended up, you know, literally costing us better playoff position
Speaker 3: because you know, a player may or may not have
Speaker 3: stepped over the line, may or may not have I
Speaker 3: still have seeing any definitive evidence that he did it.
Speaker 2: Just you know, you want it to be.
Speaker 3: How do I You probably want it to be mostly
Speaker 3: equal in terms of how you know. You don't want
Speaker 3: it to be one way or the other with one arm.
Speaker 3: You want it to come over the top of your head.
Speaker 3: But like, what is over the top of your head?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Is this?
Speaker 2: Is it to the side?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's still over the top of your head?
Speaker 1: Are you is it back here? Is is it twelve o'clock?
Speaker 1: Is it three o'clock? Is it nine o'clock?
Speaker 3: And that that also goes from the opposite side. Is
Speaker 3: you know what what point do I go? Well, that's
Speaker 3: not over the head to the side or that is
Speaker 3: over the I mean, it's just so hard for us
Speaker 3: to truly gauge that. And the other thing is, and
Speaker 3: this has been things that we've been not officially told
Speaker 3: as referees. But I'll just kind of the conversation within
Speaker 3: referee circles. Throwings are very just inconsequential. Most of them
Speaker 3: result in the turn and a change of possession anyway. Yeah, especially,
Speaker 3: it's just something that we're of all the things that
Speaker 3: we're gonna get you on. Yeah, y'all, sorry, I know
Speaker 3: that's not the answer you all want, but that's just
Speaker 3: the reality.
Speaker 1: No, but and that's why I wanted to get into
Speaker 1: the idea of Okay, foul throw movement.
Speaker 3: You know, Wester McKenney has not thrown a ball in
Speaker 3: according to the laws of the game and his entire
Speaker 3: professional career. Okay, he still gets away with it. It's
Speaker 3: just because of the things that matter.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't matter that much.
Speaker 1: Like you said, all right, overseas getting into the no
Speaker 1: red card in the Man United Chelsea match and Dale
Speaker 1: Johnson once again one of our reference points here when
Speaker 1: it comes to all of these things. Third minute of
Speaker 1: stoppage time Cole Palmer tries to get the ball past Martinez,
Speaker 1: United defenders sticking out a leg to stop an opponent.
Speaker 1: Rev tried to play advantage, brought it back after Chelsea
Speaker 1: loses possession, then Martinez shown a yellow. Var checks for
Speaker 1: a red. You get no red high challenge at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this would have been one of those either serious
Speaker 3: foul play? Right, was that a serious foul play? I
Speaker 3: think that's the question you're looking for. Possibly you could
Speaker 3: say that I don't think that the You can't judge intent,
Speaker 3: but the intent wasn't too seriously to make a serious
Speaker 3: foul play challenge. Does that make sense to me? It's
Speaker 3: a reckless challenge. It's hard, clumsy, irresponsible maybe, but I
Speaker 3: don't think that was to the level of serious foul play.
Speaker 3: And I know that's not it's hard to give us
Speaker 3: true meaning to that, but when you looked at it
Speaker 3: within the realm of the play, it didn't seem something serious,
Speaker 3: out seriously, out of normal what we would want soccer
Speaker 3: to look like.
Speaker 2: Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 1: So var is red cards for serious foul play through
Speaker 1: var aren't a rarity in the Premier League. Long standing
Speaker 1: issue for video referees to get the balance right. Last
Speaker 1: season ten serious foul play reads through var though the
Speaker 1: Key Match Incidence Panel ruled a further six should have
Speaker 1: been given a success rate of sixty two and a
Speaker 1: half percent on this area of the law, cases of
Speaker 1: serious foul play making up a quarter of the twenty
Speaker 1: four missed subjective interventions. Yet to see a var read
Speaker 1: for serious foul play this season, Martinez can consider himself fortunate.
Speaker 1: It's only the Premier League's high bar for an intervention
Speaker 1: the root cause for a var second guessing, which I
Speaker 1: don't like because then you're re refereeing if it's a
Speaker 1: second guess which prevented Jones being sent to the monitor. Indeed,
Speaker 1: same high Barberono Fernandish is read against Spurs not being overturned, and.
Speaker 3: This is I would like for them to go to
Speaker 3: the monitor the center and I think that I don't
Speaker 3: think that is the ref the VR telling them, hey,
Speaker 3: I think you got it wrong. It's just hey, I
Speaker 3: think you need to take a second look to make
Speaker 3: sure you like you've to make sure you feel confident
Speaker 3: with your call right.
Speaker 2: And again I think it's framing.
Speaker 3: It's not Hey, I think you got it wrong, take
Speaker 3: a look, it's hey, I think you should check to
Speaker 3: make sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you get into the whole re refereeing thing
Speaker 1: because you don't want to do that, right.
Speaker 3: But I do think sometimes it like if you were
Speaker 3: as a referee look at this and go now, I
Speaker 3: still feel like I feel good about that, and you
Speaker 3: got to.
Speaker 2: Make that decision on your own.
Speaker 3: But again, the level is well, I mean it's clear
Speaker 3: and obvious error, and that's the question here. Was this
Speaker 3: a clear obvious error that it was a red card?
Speaker 3: I don't think so, so that at that point we're
Speaker 3: not even going to the monitor for anything, you know.
Speaker 1: So Martinez catches Palmer high around the knee area with
Speaker 1: stud showing, and only a any real force could have
Speaker 1: led va R to judge a yellow was a justifiable
Speaker 1: disciplinary outcome.
Speaker 3: And I think that, yes, the contact location looked bad,
Speaker 3: and I agree with that. I just think when you
Speaker 3: talk about serious foul play, I don't think this was
Speaker 3: at that level because, as I mentioned, the force of
Speaker 3: contact was not to that level. It was clumsy, it
Speaker 3: was bad as a yellow card could now if you
Speaker 3: had given this a red card in the game, because yeah,
Speaker 3: studs on the knee that's not great. I don't think
Speaker 3: you would have rehearsed it either.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yeah, it does.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The whole studs on the knee thing, that's not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's not good. But I think it was
Speaker 3: more about a bad you know, you made a bad
Speaker 3: You were under control, you just missed it, as opposed
Speaker 3: to being out of control and playing in a seriously
Speaker 3: foul way. That again, serious foul play using excessive force.
Speaker 3: Those are the thing like that was not excessive force.
Speaker 2: That was just bad.
Speaker 1: Okay. A Do apparently is leaving Arsenal, asking the r
Speaker 1: Arsenal fan here in this discussion, and apparently that came
Speaker 1: out this morning. Immediate new role a sporting director. A
Speaker 1: Do surprise exit from the club and Brazilian returned to
Speaker 1: the club in twenty nineteen, promoted to sporting director in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and first reported by the Four Letter Paper.
Speaker 1: Currently unclear about the reasons for his departure, although there
Speaker 1: has been significant change behind the scenes at the Immorants
Speaker 1: over the past twelve months. Chief executive departs, then you
Speaker 1: have another individual taking the role of managing director. You
Speaker 1: had James Kin coming in director of Football Ops so
Speaker 1: it comes after the loss to Newcastle, and so it
Speaker 1: is understood to be his decision to exit from the role.
Speaker 1: So a do out the door at Arsenal. Let's say
Speaker 1: you Arsenal fan.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's been a pretty instrumental figure
Speaker 3: in rebuilding what the Arsenal has should be, right. I
Speaker 3: think we kind of lost your way a little bit
Speaker 3: at the end of the Anger era than going to Emory.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it how to do with
Speaker 3: some people making decisions who probably shouldn't have been making decisions.
Speaker 3: And I do came back to kind of write that
Speaker 3: ship as a soccer person making actual soccer decisions, not
Speaker 3: someone who just had connections with.
Speaker 2: Agents.
Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. Yes, But that said, I
Speaker 3: think our Teta has kind of been good enough to
Speaker 3: establish what his vision for the club is, and so
Speaker 3: you can have a sporting director whose job now is
Speaker 3: to work with our Teta and think bigger picture, but
Speaker 3: still think about what the immediate picture is as well.
Speaker 3: He'll be missed. I think that's a you know, it's
Speaker 3: not someone you want to leave, especially a guy who
Speaker 3: you know has ties to the club outside of just
Speaker 3: working there for a little bit. So that is is sad,
Speaker 3: but I do think that if your arsenally feel confident,
Speaker 3: you can find someone who can come in, who can
Speaker 3: do maybe not as good of a job, but a
Speaker 3: similar type of job as I Do has done.
Speaker 1: And he is now linked apparently to Evangelina's Marina. He's
Speaker 1: linked to the Evangelinias.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get Do and Vieira in Atlanta, do as
Speaker 3: sporting director Vieira as head.
Speaker 1: Coach, listen to you like how you think in there? Okay?
Speaker 2: Before Pierra is coming to Atlanta for the as the coach.
Speaker 1: Before you, before you depart here on your Monday, wanted
Speaker 1: to discuss the third place finish for the you seventeen
Speaker 1: women in the World Cup, knocking off England to get
Speaker 1: the third.
Speaker 2: Place double or tripley.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think as final score line would have said. Look,
Speaker 3: I jokingly said this about North Korea last week, but
Speaker 3: as I always say about youth competitions, it's not about
Speaker 3: winning the tournament. It's about playing well and getting potential
Speaker 3: players to show their quality. And I I think you
Speaker 3: saw that throughout the tournament. Fuller and Barcenas proved that
Speaker 3: they're pretty darn good. I mean it's not playing, you know,
Speaker 3: professionally or anything, so they kind of prove them they're
Speaker 3: pretty good. But especially when you look at the youth level,
Speaker 3: identifying talent, bringing in that, then getting that talent to
Speaker 3: come to a camp, then getting that selected pool of
Speaker 3: talent to continue to stay together, while also evaluating if
Speaker 3: they're good enough and if there are other players, because
Speaker 3: from you know, the fifteen to seventeen age group, which
Speaker 3: is about where this kind of tournament comes, that's a tumultuous.
Speaker 2: Time in anyone's life, right.
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about girls who, yes, there are
Speaker 3: some pros, but they're not eighteen.
Speaker 2: Right, These are girls, truly, and.
Speaker 3: They're the fact that you got to the semi final
Speaker 3: of both of these tournaments. Now you have to replicate this, right,
Speaker 3: you need to keep doing this going forward. But it
Speaker 3: shows to me in the moment that our player development
Speaker 3: pipeline isn't as fractured as we kind of thought it was.
Speaker 3: And again, maybe it's we had a bad two cycles
Speaker 3: of maybe three cycles of youth tournaments, right, we've corrected
Speaker 3: that a little bit part of that could just be, hey,
Speaker 3: we had a bad five years of player development that
Speaker 3: happens happens everywhere, you know, believe it or not. Spain
Speaker 3: hasn't been good for their entirety, you know, believe it
Speaker 3: or not. France hasn't been great for their entirety, despite
Speaker 3: what England will tell you, they haven't been.
Speaker 2: Great ever, you know, and ends that was a job.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, like player development at
Speaker 3: this level when you have two years to pick from, right,
Speaker 3: that's one bad birth year. That's one year of you know,
Speaker 3: who knows what the reason is. So the fact that
Speaker 3: you're able to get to semi finals is that's great.
Speaker 3: You know, you win third place. I think that alone. Actually,
Speaker 3: at that point, that is a good thing. Winning is
Speaker 3: a good thing at that point because you're reinstating like, no,
Speaker 3: this is the US women's national team. When we go
Speaker 3: to a tournament, we bring home a medal, right, that
Speaker 3: is a standard you want to keep, you know. I
Speaker 3: think US Soccer tweeted out, yeah, this is I don't
Speaker 3: want to say this is a bullshit thing, but it's
Speaker 3: not like I've read it and it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I guess that matters. But we medled in all three
Speaker 3: major women's soccer tournaments. This year, right, we got gold
Speaker 3: at the Olympics, we got bronze and both the U
Speaker 3: twenty and U seventeen World Cups and only country to
Speaker 3: medal at all three, you know, because North Korea didn't
Speaker 3: make it to the Olympics. Despite for some reason, the
Speaker 3: being very good at the youth levels, they don't replicate
Speaker 3: that success at the senior level. It's good. The question
Speaker 3: is how do you how do you take the seventeens,
Speaker 3: get them to the twenties, get them to be better?
Speaker 3: How do you take the twenties, get them into the
Speaker 3: youth the senior national team to supplement what you already have.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, the best finished in two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight when they fell to North Korea in the fire.
Speaker 1: The inaugural tournament U seventeens for both men and women
Speaker 1: will become an annual event beginning next year. U seventeen
Speaker 1: Women's World Cup played in Morocco from in October and November.
Speaker 1: USA will play in the twelve team final round of
Speaker 1: the CONCACAF Qualifying March thirty one to April six. Four
Speaker 1: nations will call it for the expanded U seventeen Women's
Speaker 1: World Cup.
Speaker 2: So I dislike the yearly thing.
Speaker 3: Personally, I don't mind now one of the locations I
Speaker 3: don't love, but I don't mind having a more consistent
Speaker 3: location thing because I think what FIFA's realizes it's not
Speaker 3: really helping the countries that are hosting.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I'll give Columbia a lot of credit. Their U twenty
Speaker 3: tournament seemed very good but cool. Dominican Republic I to
Speaker 3: host the U seventeens. I don't know if that actually
Speaker 3: makes any difference in their soccer development nation type thing,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and they also I think the announced crowd
Speaker 1: for the for the third place game was thirty nine hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas in Colombia, Yeah, you had a pretty especially
Speaker 3: in Columbia played, you had a pretty good support. You know.
Speaker 3: It seemed like there is some positivity around the tournament.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's a youth tournament. So like, I don't expect
Speaker 3: Columbians to show up to watch North Korean Oh, I
Speaker 3: can't remember who they beat in the final, you know,
Speaker 3: to show up necessarily, but I would.
Speaker 2: I would like to see it rotated.
Speaker 3: But I think like for example, India hosted you know,
Speaker 3: and that hasn't done anything for them. Yeah, and those
Speaker 3: crowds were bad because you're playing at cricket Stadium. So
Speaker 3: not only is it a bad site line, but you're
Speaker 3: talking about playing in a forty thousand seat cricket stadium.
Speaker 2: With two thousand people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not great.
Speaker 3: At least in the Dominican Republic, you didn't have quite
Speaker 3: that same like optics problem. But I don't mind them
Speaker 3: going to a single host location.
Speaker 2: I don't like the every year thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not that's just a lot OH understood, absolutely, especially
Speaker 1: for infrastructure and rotating and making sure that you're qualifying,
Speaker 1: qualifying cycles, all that kind of stuff. Okay, so now
Speaker 1: that you've hit one hundred episodes of soccer FOROSPOD, what's that?
Speaker 1: What's up next? Huh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of get to two hundred. Hopefully we
Speaker 2: get to two hundred a little bit quicker, I will say.
Speaker 3: That's my goal is to be a little more consistent
Speaker 3: with putting out episodes, which means I think tonight, maybe tomorrow,
Speaker 3: I haven't we haven't nailed down a time we're recording.
Speaker 2: To talk about these friendlies that we just had for
Speaker 2: the US women.
Speaker 3: Obviously we talked about a little bit on Friday, but Uh,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: It'll be fun.
Speaker 3: It's been fun to see new faces, and we'll talk
Speaker 3: about that a lot, because I think the takeaway isn't
Speaker 3: Iceland and certainly is an Argentina. It's getting new faces
Speaker 3: on the field along with the established veterans, but not
Speaker 3: having to play Lindsay Horan one hundred or two hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy minutes, not having to play Garment two hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy minutes.
Speaker 2: So you know, those are the takeaways we're going to
Speaker 2: be talking about.
Speaker 3: Is just individual things and then also what we saw
Speaker 3: from you know, the team as a whole, but it's
Speaker 3: more about the individuals I think from this particular window,
Speaker 3: which is a good thing.
Speaker 1: All right, my friend is always great to catch up
Speaker 1: with you on Mondays and roll through everything reffing down here,
Speaker 1: national team and all of those kinds of things. Be
Speaker 1: safe and go enjoy your Oh what's the mug this morning?
Speaker 1: Silly me?
Speaker 2: Be kind there you go, absolutely so keep it at referees.
Speaker 1: No, that would be uh, that would be inappropriate. That'd
Speaker 1: be bad, So don't don't do that. We'll see what
Speaker 1: the size of the envelope is. From New York headed
Speaker 1: to Houston as always, my friend. Great to see you.
Speaker 3: Good to see y'all. Make sure if you haven't, get
Speaker 3: out and vote tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yes, vote, vote, vote, vote vote absolutely true. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll see you soon.
Speaker 2: By y'all,