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<v Speaker 1>This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to take part in the show? Call up Steve

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<v Speaker 1>now went five to two oh four one, six seventy

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to I on the ballground Fox Sports

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera in today with me is

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Hansen. Now we got Kobe with breaking news.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I on the Ball, Breaking news on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports fourteen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Star USC basketball re crew Elijah Renas is in an

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<v Speaker 3>induced coma following a serious car crash early Thursday morning

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<v Speaker 3>in Los Angeles. The eighteen year olds on A former

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<v Speaker 3>NBA star, Gilbert Arenas, is in stable condition and initial

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<v Speaker 3>reports indicating no broken bones.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many connections to UA, right right, Gilbert pat

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<v Speaker 2>Here was a star, a pain in the next star

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<v Speaker 2>to many of us. He does the same thing now today.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks crazy, and he talked crazy back then. Luke

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<v Speaker 2>was cringeing all the time. Oh what is he gonna say?

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and his son was a recruit here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I know a lot of fans were hoping

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<v Speaker 4>that he would continue that tradition and bring his talents

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<v Speaker 4>to McHale Center. But gosh, We just wish him the

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<v Speaker 4>very very best and hope that he is there's a

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<v Speaker 4>speedy recovery. And it sounds like, as Kobe mentioned, no

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<v Speaker 4>broken bones, so hopefully that is a speedy recovery. But

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<v Speaker 4>you mentioned Gilbert, Who would have thought that that guy

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<v Speaker 4>would be paid now for his comments on life? Well,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's got a very very popular podcast that's very

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<v Speaker 4>funny about life.

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<v Speaker 5>Because yeah, let me hold on.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta watch this because Gilbert's gonna say something what

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<v Speaker 2>I should do. Yeah, Yeah, he's one of the last

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<v Speaker 2>guys I would listen to for life.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, when you.

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<v Speaker 4>Think about the media careers of many of our players,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Richard and Gilbert would be non stop talking

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<v Speaker 4>on the bus and it was unbelievable to try to

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<v Speaker 4>get a word in edgewise. Scroll back a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>years earlier than that, you couldn't get a word in

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<v Speaker 4>edgewise if you were on the bus with CORYL. Williams

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<v Speaker 4>and Reggie Geary. Those two guys have you know, burgeoning media.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm sure back in the day, I wasn't on

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<v Speaker 4>the bus, but you go way back. I'm sure Tom

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<v Speaker 4>Tolbert was another guy who had had everybody's ears burning.

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<v Speaker 4>When it was on the bus, Steak and.

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<v Speaker 5>Steve was doing his thing too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Steve was stelling Tom's shut up, Tom, shut up,

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<v Speaker 2>enough of your bs.

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<v Speaker 4>Channing fryeh Channing Fry, another very thoughtful guy. And then

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<v Speaker 4>really watch him on the NBA channel. He's he's blown up.

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<v Speaker 4>And obviously he and Richard with their podcast, all.

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<v Speaker 5>The story has been.

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<v Speaker 2>People could tell when Gilbert and Jean and all these

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<v Speaker 2>guys were and Richard, you know, obviously it was a

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<v Speaker 2>casid characters. Like you said earlier, it was a fun group.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a heck of a talented group. Twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>years twenty five years removed from then. Crazy to think.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is one of the one of the things

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<v Speaker 4>as an Arizona basketball fan that I know rubs a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of locals is the lack of a Final four.

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<v Speaker 4>And it is it's kind of the the bad part

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<v Speaker 4>to me of college basketball. As you are, you're graded

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<v Speaker 4>by final four, yeah, and really not much else, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 2>And in matters in March, maybe matters in March, and

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<v Speaker 2>you have a lot of stuff maybe yeah, okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go back to that. But I tell you that those

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<v Speaker 2>times because Jay and I went back and forth blue Blood,

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<v Speaker 2>blue Blood, blue No, it's not and you got you

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<v Speaker 2>got it because I've asked you that too. Uh, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>quarter of a century moved from a final four a

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<v Speaker 2>few final fours. It had that. It's a good program

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<v Speaker 2>with a good history. The blue Blood's that's a little different.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, blue Blood puts you on a different stratosphere. And

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<v Speaker 4>you have to and I think we talked about this.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, blue Blood is not just final fours in

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<v Speaker 4>the last twenty five years. There has to be a championship,

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<v Speaker 4>at least one championship in there to be a modern

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<v Speaker 4>day blue Blood. So that list is pretty finite. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, you do have to ask a question.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's ask this one. Has Florida now become a modern

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<v Speaker 4>day blue Blood because three national titles, multiple final fours.

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<v Speaker 5>In the last twenty years. What in the last twenty years? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>well then Vanova, Yukon.

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<v Speaker 4>Clearly, North Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas because of the number of

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<v Speaker 4>of wins. But also they have championships, the Duke at

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<v Speaker 4>the very least the new the new version or.

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<v Speaker 2>The gen Z or whatever genuine to put it. Blue

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<v Speaker 5>New Vague.

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<v Speaker 4>I I agree. I think you have to put Florida

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<v Speaker 4>in that mix now with this title and with a

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<v Speaker 4>different coach, and remove from that back to back. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not saying that that wasn't hard and that they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>get praise for that, but I think they're New Vague

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<v Speaker 4>blue blood.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Evan Mobley named Defensive Player of the Year, becoming first

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<v Speaker 3>player in Cavaliers history to win the award.

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<v Speaker 5>How about that? Is Luke still right there? Right? Luke's

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<v Speaker 5>an assistant.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he's with the Pistons, So he moved to the

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<v Speaker 4>Biston Pistols. Yeah, he was with Cleveland for a while,

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<v Speaker 4>but now he's he's with Uh. I can't remember the Pistons.

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<v Speaker 4>Bernie Bickerstaff, who when he was coming out of kind

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<v Speaker 4>of coming out of the U of A Bickerstaff was

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<v Speaker 4>was that same same age. But by interesting note, Evan Mobley,

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<v Speaker 4>UH think of us and watching him and his brother play,

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<v Speaker 4>Fruition and the NBA. That guy is an exceptional talent,

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<v Speaker 4>had all the physical tools, great high IQ and a

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<v Speaker 4>great recognition for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona wide receiver to Tario McMillan is firing back at

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<v Speaker 3>Todd McShay. After the ESPN analysts questioned his work ethic,

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<v Speaker 3>McMillan defended himself, saying, they tripping. I feel like just

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<v Speaker 3>turn the tape on and it speaks for itself.

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<v Speaker 5>They tripping. They probably be tripping.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's I think that McShay was more

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<v Speaker 2>of the messenger.

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<v Speaker 5>He's in this business, right, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked to a couple or three people or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the message they were giving him.

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<v Speaker 5>So then he's talking about it. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is who are those people he were talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they legit? Are they credible? Are they all these things?

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<v Speaker 4>I love the dynamic now, Steve, of the relationship that

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<v Speaker 4>athletes and the media have now because back when you

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<v Speaker 4>were covering the team, very rarely would you have a

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<v Speaker 4>clap back from an athlete, professional or college or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 5>They did.

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<v Speaker 4>Now they're the platform that these athletes have through their

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<v Speaker 4>own social media that may have more followers than some

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<v Speaker 4>of the experts even have to be able to voice

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<v Speaker 4>their concerns what they feel about things. I do think

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<v Speaker 4>when we talk so much about the changes in athletics

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<v Speaker 4>and sports and a lot of it's a negative tonality.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually think that's a great thing for me as

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<v Speaker 4>a fan. I love hearing actual response. What does he

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<v Speaker 4>really feel about that? I think that's entertainment from me.

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<v Speaker 4>Who did he tell that to her? Who did he

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<v Speaker 4>tell that to ESPN?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably somebody, Yeah, because that was a big deal yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>when he was talking about it. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>McShay or whatever, but he's saying this, it's through other people,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's not just saying this.

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody else is telling him.

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona men's basketball as system Steve Robinson has announced his

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<v Speaker 3>retirement after four seasons with the Wildcats and over four

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<v Speaker 3>decades in the game. Longtime Roy Williams assistant guide Arizona

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<v Speaker 3>to multiple Patch twelve titles and Sweet sixteen or on.

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<v Speaker 5>You knew him right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I think you introduced me to him in

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas one of the trips, knowing that I'm not as

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<v Speaker 2>close as I used to be with the teams.

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<v Speaker 5>But to me, he came off as like a soothsayer.

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<v Speaker 2>A bright mind, or you know, the the right hand

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<v Speaker 2>man to be a calming voice.

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<v Speaker 5>I could get out, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Could doubt a sage. You know that wise word to

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<v Speaker 4>talk to Tommy and players. He had an incredible relationship

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<v Speaker 4>with the players, and that's as an assistant coach, that's

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<v Speaker 4>very important for you. I've I've known coach Rob back

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<v Speaker 4>to his head coaching days when he was at Florida

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<v Speaker 4>State and Arizona played a couple of Series Cample games

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<v Speaker 4>with Florida State. I helped negotiate those contracts, so I

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<v Speaker 4>have conversations with the Biby years with him. That was

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<v Speaker 4>the Biby years that we we went back there, So

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<v Speaker 4>I did. I did know him then, not as much

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<v Speaker 4>and as close as I do know him now and

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<v Speaker 4>his interactions. I think it was a great hire for Tommy.

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<v Speaker 4>It was for a brand new head coach, and Tommy

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<v Speaker 4>Lloyd he needed that. Wise maybe seasoned veteran who has

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<v Speaker 4>sat in that seat knows the pressures, knows what it takes,

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<v Speaker 4>but can take it from a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 4>different perspective. So that will be a loss to Arizona

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<v Speaker 4>basketball from that standpoint. But I believe coach Lloyd. I

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<v Speaker 4>believe in him very well. I think Arizona will come

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<v Speaker 4>out of this better for it long term. When you

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<v Speaker 4>look at what a new coach can bring that can

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<v Speaker 4>get out on the road and recruit, bring a younger

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<v Speaker 4>maybe voice to where Tommy's at now. And I believe

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<v Speaker 4>Tommy's got somebody lined up that Arizona fans will be

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<v Speaker 4>very happy with.

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<v Speaker 3>The Arizona Wildcuts baseball team are twenty nine to eleven

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<v Speaker 3>and they're sitting in a three way tie for second

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<v Speaker 3>in the Big Twelve as they hit the road for

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<v Speaker 3>a three game set in Lubbock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they beat Arlington, was it last night? I think

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be there, yes here.

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<v Speaker 4>How about that program doing really good work? And so

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<v Speaker 4>Summerhill comes back after a seventeen game injury that kept

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<v Speaker 4>him out of the lineup, sees his first pitch, takes

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<v Speaker 4>it yard. Yeah, goes home run on the first pitch

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<v Speaker 4>he's seen in seventeen games.

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<v Speaker 5>How fun is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously for Arizona baseball, but what a talent to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to do that. Exciting times for Chip Hale and

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<v Speaker 4>the Arizona baseball.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, they've said that he's the difference or he helps

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<v Speaker 5>make a difference.

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<v Speaker 3>So right away, a Kobe Bryant Lakers jersey from his

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<v Speaker 3>rookie season just sold for seven million dollars at South

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<v Speaker 3>dvis and is the most ever paid for a Brian collectible,

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<v Speaker 3>and Rinks is the fourth highest price ever for a game.

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<v Speaker 5>More sports jersey, what's your what's your prize possession? Wow?

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<v Speaker 5>What's your price position?

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<v Speaker 4>From the sports memorabilia standpoys?

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<v Speaker 2>And then something you I don't want a price on it,

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<v Speaker 2>just something you would not give up.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a bench chair from the nineteen ninety seven

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<v Speaker 4>National champion and so as as a member of that

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<v Speaker 5>Getting from Minnesota from Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 3>So Door Sanders worries about getting drafted, they they well

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<v Speaker 3>There was big Shoud Door sin Shad Door Sanders now

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. See who do you believe? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I dealt with this when they was doing the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>slipped to the second round. What's interesting in some stories

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<v Speaker 2>the court in the training room. You did, so those

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<v Speaker 2>and boyd, what an amazing change for that guy to

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<v Speaker 5>What a change.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, question retired Jersey at Colorado Sanders and Travis Hunter. Yes, no, No,

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<v Speaker 4>You rethink it maybe Hunter down the road, but no,

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<v Speaker 4>especially when you had who's the quarterback from the back

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that was an interesting take to see those

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<v Speaker 4>Jersey retirements, Like you said this quickly and maybe if ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Even twelve was a quarterback. But hey, my dad is

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<v Speaker 3>Miami quarterback Kim Ward is now a minus twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would have been a nice bed back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day. Talented, right, and kind of is one of

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<v Speaker 4>draft when he was at Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, obviously talented. But next year, I guess what

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<v Speaker 2>because oh he's got he moved up to another school

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, and now he's this guy.

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<v Speaker 5>It's who you played for, who you play with and projecting.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that might be the most difficult projection in

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<v Speaker 4>all of professional sports.

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<v Speaker 5>His quarterback at the NFL level where you look at

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<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Trevor Lawrence is not exactly lighting the world on fire,

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone tapped him at seven generational as generational, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So that is a very difficult evaluation. Is who can

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<v Speaker 4>you project to be the next great The.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy that I really loved the year before was Nick's

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<v Speaker 2>just loved to at Oregon, and Pennix was the guy

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<v Speaker 2>at Washington, and I still loved both, obviously very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Washington was the better team, but Bo had and he

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<v Speaker 2>was older, right, he was older. Uh, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic at Dender And we'll see how good Panix will be.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is it for today's breaking news.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, did we have anything else going on? Well, we're

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<v Speaker 5>gonna talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>We're clos wanted to make sure we hit Elijah Renas

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<v Speaker 4>so that we gave Oh yeah, right, props there.

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<v Speaker 5>I know for sure that was a topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were talking about maybe Kenrea Yadiera.

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<v Speaker 5>We're gonna Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have Mike, We're gonna have John Feena here

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit. Just what flow is transferring? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>justin flow another characterstic characters?

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<v Speaker 5>Right? I remember, And I texted Jay.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night when it came out, because when he came

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<v Speaker 2>out for the first time to talk to the media

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<v Speaker 2>and he's looking like this Adonis. Holy crap, and Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>Jay and his look good played good way you know,

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<v Speaker 2>flow comes out, he says, he Texas says. Back then,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, Arizona never got guys that look like this, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they just didn't human specimen, a five star guy and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a crazy, crazy football player, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he just didn't develop the way they liked.

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<v Speaker 5>He hasn't developed under three coaches now, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so my question to you is, outside of Justin Flow,

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<v Speaker 4>most hyped Arizona football player that didn't pan out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's the kid and I forget his name all

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<v Speaker 2>the time Stoops defensive end JC transfer. Oh yeah, Holmes Holmes,

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<v Speaker 2>Lewis Holmes. That would be one for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The hype was out of this world for him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I don't think he did he ever take

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I don't think so. So along

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<v Speaker 2>those lines, maybe one in one A. Yeah, there could

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's definitely a recency bias for Justin Flow, which

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<v Speaker 1>Streaming live on the Ihearts Radio while this is I

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<v Speaker 1>on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and with me

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<v Speaker 2>today is Ryan Hanson. Now on the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>We have former you.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a football star back in the day, John Fina.

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<v Speaker 5>How are you John? I'm doing really well.

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<v Speaker 13>How are you, fellas?

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<v Speaker 5>We're doing fine. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to have you on to take us back

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<v Speaker 2>for a number of things. Just take us back to

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<v Speaker 2>when you were out of you of a you had

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<v Speaker 2>the chance to get drafted. How are you feeling. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we've already had this discussion of time or two.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling? And where did you end up

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<v Speaker 2>staying to get a call?

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, so you know, my draft journey was a little

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<v Speaker 14>bit different, I think than the guys that you look

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<v Speaker 14>at on the screen today who are expecting to get

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<v Speaker 14>drafted in the first round. I was not very well.

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<v Speaker 14>I guess known about right. I was kind of a sleeper.

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<v Speaker 14>I just I performed really well in a couple of games,

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<v Speaker 14>in particular against some pretty high level competition. I went

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<v Speaker 14>to the Shrine game and did well there, and then

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<v Speaker 14>I had a really good combine. So it's not like

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<v Speaker 14>today where you have so much media looking at so

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<v Speaker 14>many players every day, every jump, every run, every lift,

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<v Speaker 14>So you didn't see people moving up and down the

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<v Speaker 14>board or holding a place high on the board.

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<v Speaker 13>As you do today. So you know, I actually.

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<v Speaker 14>Signed up with my agent because I drove to Phoenix

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<v Speaker 14>and knocked on the door.

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<v Speaker 13>And said, hey, I think I might need representation, and

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<v Speaker 13>they more or less said.

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<v Speaker 5>Who are you?

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<v Speaker 14>And you know, I, along with about twenty five other

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<v Speaker 14>guys in their draft class, we had the big party

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<v Speaker 14>the night before.

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<v Speaker 5>We went to a ballroom the.

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<v Speaker 14>Next day and we just you know, we sat around

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<v Speaker 14>in a big ball room watching the draft on the TV.

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<v Speaker 14>And I was fortunate, you know, I got that call

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<v Speaker 14>early on, and it was.

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<v Speaker 13>It was an incredible feeling, and just.

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<v Speaker 14>From at the beginning thinking I would be maybe a

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<v Speaker 14>fourth round pick, maybe a third round pick.

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<v Speaker 13>Just to have the type of response that.

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<v Speaker 14>I was getting post Combine from coaches and scouts, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>really kind of notted me up.

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<v Speaker 5>A little bit.

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<v Speaker 14>But going in the first round was a little unexpected

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<v Speaker 14>and one of the one of the highlights of my life.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, John, this is Ryan Hanson. Great talking to a

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<v Speaker 4>outstanding Tucson great. We love having you on. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 4>back to your draft and, like you said, the draft

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<v Speaker 4>now a little bit different. In and around that time,

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<v Speaker 4>were you getting word that teams liked you in and around.

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<v Speaker 4>Ultimately you went to the Bills. But were there other

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<v Speaker 4>teams that you heard that really liked you and thought

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<v Speaker 4>me you thought maybe you would get drafted by one

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<v Speaker 4>of those teams.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, so you know kind of what I was just

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<v Speaker 14>talking about. People didn't really know anything about me and

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<v Speaker 14>the public sphere and the media sphere. But before the draft,

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<v Speaker 14>I took trips to Seattle and Denver and had a

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<v Speaker 14>lot of conversations with not necessarily the Buffalo Bills, though

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<v Speaker 14>the scout came out here, but I had a number

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<v Speaker 14>of conversations with various teams, so that didn't get reported

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<v Speaker 14>on like it does now. Right, you got the thirty visits,

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<v Speaker 14>so every team sort of has to declare who's coming

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<v Speaker 14>in for the thirty visits.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't like that back then.

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<v Speaker 13>So I had.

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<v Speaker 14>About five or six teams, including Bill Belichick at the

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<v Speaker 14>Cleveland Browns at the time where I thought I likely

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<v Speaker 14>could sneak into the second round from the third. But

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<v Speaker 14>as a draft laid out, Detroit picked before Buffalo, and

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<v Speaker 14>that Robert Porchet was still available. You know that I

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<v Speaker 14>think the Bills would have taken Robert as a defensive end.

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<v Speaker 14>But when Detroit took him. I was next on their

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<v Speaker 14>big board and fortunately got drafted to the Buffalo Bills.

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<v Speaker 2>So so I know you have known you when I

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<v Speaker 2>covered you back in that time, and you were very

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<v Speaker 2>talented obviously offensive lineman. What do you think eventually sold them?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think you're acumen, you're smart, and your IQ

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<v Speaker 2>helped you become a first rounder.

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<v Speaker 14>Two wow, man, you know I gotta like Venmo. You

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<v Speaker 14>twenty bucks, right, I mean for such nice things to

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<v Speaker 14>me on a regular basis. You know, it's there are

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<v Speaker 14>three components to being a serviceable offensive lineman. And you know,

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<v Speaker 14>as you know, I have two sons who one is

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<v Speaker 14>in his sixth year at Duke right and then Roman

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<v Speaker 14>is going to Duke in June and he'll be on

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<v Speaker 14>the football team, and I tell him, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 14>three things that you must do as an offensive lineman

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<v Speaker 14>to get on the field and stay on the field.

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<v Speaker 14>And number one is don't have any mental errors, okay,

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<v Speaker 14>because we can't help you if you're not even willing

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<v Speaker 14>to block the right damn person. Number two, don't hurt

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<v Speaker 14>the team. Eliminate, reduce penalties as much as you can.

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<v Speaker 14>No holding, no off sides. Those are the two biggies

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<v Speaker 14>for offensive linemens, don't commit penalties, don't make us go backwards.

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<v Speaker 14>And number three is stay off the ground. You're no

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<v Speaker 14>good to me on the ground. You can't block anybody.

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<v Speaker 14>So you know I was able to do those three things.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 14>One, because I was an athlete, I would stay off

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<v Speaker 14>the ground. Two, I was smart enough to remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>because blocking schemes are pretty intricate, and defense is change

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<v Speaker 14>up fronts.

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<v Speaker 5>All the time.

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<v Speaker 14>When they move, your brain has to move. You got

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<v Speaker 14>to be on the right guy. And I was technique

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<v Speaker 14>solid things to guy like Pat Hill. And I was

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<v Speaker 14>able to, you know, resist from holding penalties. So you

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<v Speaker 14>know I had those three things in my favor. And

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<v Speaker 14>then as long as you can stay healthy and you

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<v Speaker 14>got a team that likes you, you could stick around.

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<v Speaker 5>For quite a while.

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<v Speaker 4>John, the differences in basketball between a center and a

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<v Speaker 4>big man and a guard, I have a pretty good

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<v Speaker 4>handle on the different mentality and the different expectations. Walk

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<v Speaker 4>me through, because I've heard these stories, the different expectations

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<v Speaker 4>of an offensive lineman versus a defensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 5>And you just said it.

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<v Speaker 4>You give up one sack, you have one holding penalty,

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<v Speaker 4>and you've had a horrible game as a defensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 4>If you get one sack, you're lauded as like you're

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<v Speaker 4>on the way to the Hall of Fame practically. So

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<v Speaker 4>walk me through that. Just that different dynamic.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, you know what's interesting about that.

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<v Speaker 14>Is, you know, that type of mentality.

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<v Speaker 13>And offensive line and now they're a little.

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<v Speaker 14>Bit more celebrity status. You know, it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 14>more exciting to talk about offensive linemen because there's so

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<v Speaker 14>much information out there. You got social media, you got

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<v Speaker 14>you know, guys like you doing a great job on

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<v Speaker 14>the radio, and people.

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<v Speaker 5>Get talked about.

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<v Speaker 14>Whereas this was the forgotten group. And because of that,

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<v Speaker 14>you know, you always had this edge of unappreciation, you

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<v Speaker 14>know to your sort of personality, your countenance. So the

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<v Speaker 14>offensive line rooms tend to be very very close, right,

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<v Speaker 14>it's all everybody jumps on the rope and polls and

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<v Speaker 14>nobody gets a lot of credit and we all had to.

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<v Speaker 5>Really stick together.

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<v Speaker 14>And beyond that, you talked about what the mentality. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>you don't see offensive linemen rolling in and out because

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<v Speaker 14>it's second and short or third and long, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 14>these sobs are on the field sixty five to eighty

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<v Speaker 14>five plays a game, and the only break they get

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<v Speaker 14>is when they're on the sideline, right, So by the

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<v Speaker 14>end of the game, you're so damn tired you can't

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<v Speaker 14>even lift your arms anymore. And these defensive ends who

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<v Speaker 14>are rolling in defensive tackles coming out, I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 14>drinking Coca cola on the sideline, laughing it up.

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<v Speaker 13>I could hardly.

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<v Speaker 2>Catch my breath, so moved you when Dick decided to

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<v Speaker 2>move you from that side the ball to the offensive side.

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<v Speaker 14>What do you think, Oh, I was upset, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>in that day and age. Unfortunately, my opinion of offensive

613
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<v Speaker 14>lineman wasn't very high, right because I didn't understand that mindset.

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<v Speaker 14>I always considered them to be, you know, just a

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<v Speaker 14>bunch of cry babies that you know you're holding your

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<v Speaker 14>whole You know, they'd accused defensive linemen all the time,

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<v Speaker 14>and yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was.

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<v Speaker 13>I always thought that being.

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<v Speaker 14>An offensive lineman was not an aggressive position, right, that

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<v Speaker 14>you were taking beatings rather than giving them.

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<v Speaker 5>And it wasn't until I.

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<v Speaker 14>Got thrust into that meeting room and understood the mindset

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<v Speaker 14>of the way offensive line and offensive line play is

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<v Speaker 14>coached in the belief system that I felt like, all right,

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<v Speaker 14>I might be skinny, I might be a little weak,

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<v Speaker 14>I might be uh, you know, misunderstanding all this technique

628
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<v Speaker 14>and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, these guys are pretty smart and they're tough, and.

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<v Speaker 14>They stick together, and I think, you know, they kind

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<v Speaker 14>of like that marine mentality. Right, we're all gonna we're

632
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<v Speaker 14>all gonna run into the bullets together, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 14>stand up for one another.

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<v Speaker 13>Regardless of the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you if I could so so at

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<v Speaker 2>one point in any at any point in your career,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure you were close to Dick, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>did you kind of say to him at some point say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, I was really appreciative that Dick tomy. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>I was sort of the last roster spot as a

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<v Speaker 14>senior coming out of a South Point Catholic, and you know,

644
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<v Speaker 14>there are a lot of guys that were more highly

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<v Speaker 14>recruited and come to find out many years later that

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<v Speaker 14>it was between me and another guy for more or

647
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<v Speaker 14>less that final scholarship spot. And if you remember correctly,

648
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<v Speaker 14>it was that transition year when Dick first took the job,

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<v Speaker 14>and you know, I didn't know if I even had

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<v Speaker 14>a scholarship, So I was looking at Colorado State or

651
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<v Speaker 14>New Mexico as my best options at the time. And

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<v Speaker 14>I was fortunate and they came out, watched me play

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<v Speaker 14>basketball and felt like I was athletic enough, energetic enough,

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<v Speaker 14>hard working enough that they continue to extend that scholarship

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<v Speaker 14>that Larry Smith initially offered.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey John in the Nil era, now that we see,

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<v Speaker 4>just a funny question thinking back to your time, if

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<v Speaker 4>the nil was a thing, would you have gone after

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<v Speaker 4>funds or support from dirt Bags, Lucky Wishbone or Egs.

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<v Speaker 4>Which local Tucson favorite would you have gone to?

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<v Speaker 5>Quickly? In first, well, I was about to rip into.

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<v Speaker 14>Your rhino because I have this Nil conversation probably about

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<v Speaker 14>five times a week, and people don't like my opinions

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<v Speaker 14>in a lot of cases. But you know, opinions are like,

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<v Speaker 14>you know what, everybody's got one right. But I would

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<v Speaker 14>I would think that, you know, without you know, damaging

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<v Speaker 14>my sterling reputation, I might have gone for dirt Bags

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<v Speaker 14>followed by Eg's And no, I mean, I love, I

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<v Speaker 14>love the idea of the Lucky Wishbone, but I tend

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<v Speaker 14>not to dine there very often.

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<v Speaker 5>At least not now at our age. Right, it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so you gave us your list, but give us

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<v Speaker 2>your NIL philosophy.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I think a lot of people are upset, right.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't like.

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<v Speaker 14>How players are moving around with the portal, they don't

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<v Speaker 14>like go out. They're not amateurs anymore. And you know

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<v Speaker 14>my response to that is, so what I mean? The

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<v Speaker 14>NC two A had a captive labor pool forever, and

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<v Speaker 14>they mistreated, misvalued, and the pendulum was held way up

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<v Speaker 14>high on one side. And then finally right they came

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<v Speaker 14>together as players and obviously lawyers right, and that pendulum

683
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<v Speaker 14>swung and it swung hard. And this may not be

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<v Speaker 14>where nil and the portal remains and it is fluid

685
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<v Speaker 14>and it's changing all the time, but damn it all,

686
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 14>it's the right thing. Coaches could recruit you and a

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<v Speaker 14>year later get a great deal and move off to

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<v Speaker 14>Auburn or Oregon or wherever the hell they want to go.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you were stuck. That made no sense to me.

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<v Speaker 14>And then when I see teammates who are from outside

691
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<v Speaker 14>of Arizona try to rub nickels together to get home

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<v Speaker 14>to see their families, right, guys that aren't living in

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<v Speaker 14>the greatest of places because the scholarship checks really weren't

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<v Speaker 14>sufficient enough.

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<v Speaker 13>And now I hear your.

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<v Speaker 14>Listeners out there right now screaming at their radios.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, Oh, a bunch of pampered athletes and.

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<v Speaker 5>All that bs.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I'll tell you, if you asked me twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 14>I would have said, double.

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<v Speaker 13>Or triple their scholarship checks. Let them buy insurance.

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<v Speaker 14>From the rest of their life from the university that

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<v Speaker 14>they worked for, and give them fifteen hundred dollars into

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<v Speaker 14>an IRA, right, and do that across the board for

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<v Speaker 14>every athlete, and you.

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<v Speaker 5>Wouldn't have had the.

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<v Speaker 14>Pendulum swing so far. So I'm excited for these kids.

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<v Speaker 14>I think it's great opportunity. A lot of them, they

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<v Speaker 14>dedicate themselves to their sport. You don't recruit a kid

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<v Speaker 14>to a power for school unless they want to play.

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<v Speaker 5>In the NFL. But those odds are so low, so they're.

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<v Speaker 14>Focusing on their sport. They're trying to focus on academics

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<v Speaker 14>all at a maybe in parentheses there, but at least

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<v Speaker 14>in this situation, you could be a great college athlete

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<v Speaker 14>not make it in the NFL. But if you're smart, and.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm not responsible for investing their money or taking.

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<v Speaker 5>Care of it.

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<v Speaker 14>At least they got a leg up in life for

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<v Speaker 14>a little while, right, And I think that is a

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<v Speaker 14>great thing for these kids to have that they're you know,

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<v Speaker 14>as a resource.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming your kids are benefiting from this as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously going to a great school.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I mean, the great school is really the number

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<v Speaker 14>one thing, right or Bruno's taking great advantage of it.

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<v Speaker 14>He graduated from UCLA with a you know, a really

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<v Speaker 14>awesome great point average, and he's in the NBA program

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<v Speaker 14>at Duke.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, that's that's first and foremost. Number two.

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<v Speaker 14>He gets to continue to play left tackle. The UCLA

731
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<v Speaker 14>was toying with moving him inside. And the importance to

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<v Speaker 14>that is if Bruno has a chance in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 14>he's playing tackle now and.

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<v Speaker 5>You can convert to.

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<v Speaker 14>The inside center or guard, but you typically do not

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<v Speaker 14>see and I can't think of a single instance where

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<v Speaker 14>a guys played guard in college and moved out the

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<v Speaker 14>tackle in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 13>And with respect to either of.

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<v Speaker 14>My boys, nil opportunities. You know, it's not really a

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<v Speaker 14>place for me to, you know, go on the radio

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<v Speaker 14>and talk about if they chose to. I suggest you

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<v Speaker 14>send Bruno a text and ask if he'd like to

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<v Speaker 14>come out and talk about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I do find John, you made a great

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<v Speaker 4>point that I hadn't thought about until you mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is the tight grip that the NCAA held

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<v Speaker 4>on this whole philosophic, philosophical idea of paying student athletes,

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<v Speaker 4>and they let it go so long because they just

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<v Speaker 4>could not relinquish control created to a certain degree, the

751
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<v Speaker 4>wild wild West that we are now starting to see

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of some fences and some regulatory standards.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be my only thing about it. I'm with you, like,

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<v Speaker 4>if you can earn more money by changing jobs, then

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<v Speaker 4>go for it.

756
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:20.360
<v Speaker 5>It's the same opportunity here.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can earn a better opportunity, a better life

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<v Speaker 4>for you by changing schools and changing from one school

759
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<v Speaker 4>to another because the NIL package is better, then that's

760
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 4>America to a certain degree. To me, like, go for it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to hold you back if the money

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<v Speaker 4>is there. I just think there needs to be a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more regulatory standards with contracts, and the professional

764
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<v Speaker 4>leagues have refined it where they've figured some things out.

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<v Speaker 4>What that looks like I don't know, but it still

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<v Speaker 4>feels a little too wide open spaces for me.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, hey, I'm a disruptor, so I love it and

768
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.480
<v Speaker 14>I don't disagree with you. But I'm not going to

769
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<v Speaker 14>run out griping about it. I'm going to let the

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<v Speaker 14>powers who are in control, you know, not that I'm one.

771
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 5>Of them, figure it out. And I figure everything.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, there's a regression to the mean, so that

773
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<v Speaker 14>will balance out some way somehow, But the opportunity would

774
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<v Speaker 14>never exist, and I love it. I look at it

775
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 14>the same way with the PAC twelve, right, I mean

776
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 14>that was a damn mercy killing. I mean, you want

777
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 14>to talk about a league that was just mismanaged and

778
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 14>run so poorly, and the PAC twelve network was absolute

779
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.880
<v Speaker 14>garbage that when the PAC twelve went down, oh man,

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<v Speaker 14>I mean I thought I thought I was going to

781
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 14>be the guy in Old Yeller that took it out

782
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 14>to the woodshed and.

783
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 13>Took care of business. I was so happy to see

784
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 13>that go away real quick.

785
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<v Speaker 5>Are you still doing your podcast just during the season?

786
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 14>Oh yeah, we're doing installments now at least once or

787
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:51.440
<v Speaker 14>twice a week.

788
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 13>It's the overreaction.

789
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.280
<v Speaker 14>Buffalo Sports Network live on YouTube. We do about four

790
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 14>shows during the season. Right now we're doing about two shows.

791
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<v Speaker 14>We're having a blast. It's me former teammate Jerry Ostrowsky

792
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:07.440
<v Speaker 14>and Joe Miller, local Buffalo fan and legend nicknamed the.

793
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<v Speaker 5>Voice because he's got a fantastic voice.

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<v Speaker 14>We're having a great time with it. If anybody out

795
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<v Speaker 14>here listening.

796
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<v Speaker 5>Is a Buffalo Bills fan, go to.

797
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 14>YouTube search Overreaction Buffalo, please like and subscribe. We're having

798
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 14>an absolutely wonderful time doing it, picking up some sponsors,

799
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<v Speaker 14>and it's really brought me closer not just to the Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 5>Bills, but to the game overall.

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<v Speaker 14>And it gives me a chance, you know, instead of

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00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 14>just yelling at the TV, you know, I.

803
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 5>Get to yell at you.

804
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 13>I get to yell at Steven.

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00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:37.760
<v Speaker 5>Right up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, what's the most what's the most what's the most

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<v Speaker 4>immediate need for the Buffalo Bills picking thirtieth today in

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<v Speaker 4>the in the first round.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, look, we've we've gone over this on the podcast

810
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<v Speaker 14>a lot. You know, there's nothing out there in the media.

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<v Speaker 14>I think everybody really settles into it's either an impact player,

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<v Speaker 14>a defensive tackle or you know, a really really strong

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<v Speaker 14>zone cover corner. So both positions you could flip.

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00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 5>A coin and they're semi related. Right.

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<v Speaker 14>If you get somebody who can get up field on

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00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 14>the D line, then it takes a little pressure off

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<v Speaker 14>the corners. You get a lockdown corner or somebody who's

818
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<v Speaker 14>you know, doesn't make mistakes in the secondary, then you

819
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<v Speaker 14>get a little bit more time for the D line

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<v Speaker 14>to get there to get home.

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<v Speaker 13>However, the Bills have ten draft picks, right.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a lot. That's a lot of draft capital.

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<v Speaker 14>Brandon Bean has done an extraordinary job identifying and developing

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<v Speaker 14>talent in rounds two through five. So another theory is

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<v Speaker 14>a lot of people say about this draft that's it's

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<v Speaker 14>loaded with starters but not stars. So maybe you back

827
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<v Speaker 14>out of that first round and you really flood the

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<v Speaker 14>zone in rounds two, three, and four and pick up

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<v Speaker 14>some of those guys that you think could be starters,

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<v Speaker 14>players and development guys to plug gaps a little bit

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<v Speaker 14>here and there. But let me tell you what I'm

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<v Speaker 14>really excited about the straft. I mean T mac Let's go, oh,

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<v Speaker 14>how great is that?

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, I see him anywhere from.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten to fourteen fifteen. I think it's just gonna be amazing.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm gonna open my door and I'm gonna listen to

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<v Speaker 14>the entire Tucson.

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<v Speaker 5>Community scream with joy when that kids picked. Can I

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<v Speaker 5>offer a suggestion for your podcast if you have you on?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that what it me? No?

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to be good at it, just having

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 13>You don't.

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like you don't have an opinion on anything. No,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't have any opinions.

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<v Speaker 5>You know the truth.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't call the shots in a lot of areas

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<v Speaker 14>in my life. So this kind of gives me that

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<v Speaker 14>cathartic release. I get to say something, and you know,

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<v Speaker 14>people can't talk back to me. I just get to

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<v Speaker 14>say it out.

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<v Speaker 5>Loud at the top of my lungs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, great, Thank you. John has always appreciate you. Hey

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<v Speaker 2>end by the way, the twenty bucks just been living.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 13>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care John, you guys take care, great show. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having me. John, one of the great guys, smart

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to ilan about here on Fox Sports

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, You Ryan Hanson. We get

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<v Speaker 2>Kobe finishing this off the end of the day. We

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<v Speaker 2>got about eight minutes. Very a little time, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>good to talk to John John Good Show with ca

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<v Speaker 2>Andre and Fina. I didn't realize. I know, I knew this.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew this because I covered this, But it's been

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five years probably since he was in the draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Right that he went late first round. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was my every second if I could remember quickly, but twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>Seventh, Yeah, and some pretty incredible teams that he was

946
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<v Speaker 4>a part of there with.

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<v Speaker 5>The very much so him and Glenn Parker.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, you think about you know some of the teams

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<v Speaker 4>that didn't ultimately win it, but boy, the success that

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<v Speaker 4>they had is almost unmatched.

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<v Speaker 5>And for him to be a part of all of

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<v Speaker 5>that run.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's no shame in finishing second. Although no

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<v Speaker 2>one remembers from finishing second, we do, and.

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<v Speaker 5>They have a connection.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to ask him, but I didn't know if

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<v Speaker 4>his and I'm sure he has a take, because like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, he is very opinionated, but just i'd be

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<v Speaker 4>curious people's thoughts on best Tucson High school football player

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<v Speaker 4>of all time.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, he would have said that. He would have

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<v Speaker 5>been interested to hear him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we talked about that every now and again with

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<v Speaker 2>Jay and Javier kind of knows too. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the history, but there's been a few of them. There's

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<v Speaker 2>been a vision's pretty damn good.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and his story is still unfolding right when you

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<v Speaker 4>think of where he's at. But a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 4>ran into Michael Bates recently. Yes, so another guy that

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<v Speaker 4>maybe sometimes falls through the cracks. But what a talented

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<v Speaker 4>family that was.

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried to give him on too. He's a hard

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<v Speaker 2>man to find.

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<v Speaker 5>He was huge.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's lost a lot of weight to get

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<v Speaker 2>some but yeah, he'd be a great guest too.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of Tucson greats, I wanted your take on this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Becky Burke, new women's basketball coach, decides to hire Julie Hairgrove,

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<v Speaker 4>Julie Brazi Hairgrove, loud Olsen's granddaughter, maybe arguably the best

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<v Speaker 4>women's basketball high school player in Tucson history. To me,

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<v Speaker 4>I have a great relationship with Julie. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>an incredibly great hire because of her Phoenix Mercury experience.

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<v Speaker 4>She's got WNBA experience. A great coach obviously, the connection

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<v Speaker 4>to the community will will help her get started, but

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<v Speaker 4>the coaching side will be tremendous from her. What's your

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<v Speaker 4>take on bringing Julie back.

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<v Speaker 2>No, fantastic, fantastic get. Don't know if she had to

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<v Speaker 2>convince her to do it or not, but it's a

989
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<v Speaker 2>fantastic get. I think that people wanted her originally to

990
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<v Speaker 2>be the coach before Dia, right. I think their name

991
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 2>was mentioned there. No, no fantastic. In fact, someone texted

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<v Speaker 2>me or put it on Twitter. Am I going to

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<v Speaker 2>get both of them on soon, you know, to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the situation.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you should, and I think they'd be great

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<v Speaker 4>to Yeah, I agree to. I think Julie will be

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful because she is a competitor. I think she'll fit

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<v Speaker 4>right in with Becky if that's the one thing that

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<v Speaker 4>I came away so impressed with Coach Burke's press conference

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<v Speaker 4>and then the things she said, yeah, that she's not

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<v Speaker 4>going to be outworked, She's going to be a competitor,

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<v Speaker 4>and I love hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you don't become who you become by you know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know we lost, but you know, no, you care

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<v Speaker 2>because you care about not losing. Let me ask you

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<v Speaker 2>because we talked about this maybe with Dave Silver, who

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<v Speaker 2>will be on with me tomorrow. You've covered the basketball

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<v Speaker 2>and you know history before that, and I said that,

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<v Speaker 2>when was the last time Arizona had a bad basketball?

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<v Speaker 5>You ever said Arizona it was not going to be

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<v Speaker 5>very good in your time? Can you?

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<v Speaker 2>Which was like the team that kind of didn't didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do it for you that I.

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<v Speaker 4>Thought would do it? Maybe No, no, that didn't like

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<v Speaker 4>you saying very good.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never I can't remember me saying, oh, how's the

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<v Speaker 2>team in the summer, how's the team going to be

1018
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<v Speaker 2>it's as they're going to be good, and they were good.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the end of the Shawn's teams were kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't know his first team.

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<v Speaker 4>His first team is probably where I was going to

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<v Speaker 4>go to because you knew, and this.

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<v Speaker 5>Is a story.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was in the athletics department at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was overseeing. This is two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 4>so I was in the fundraising area. But I was

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<v Speaker 4>one of the few at the time that had the

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<v Speaker 4>Loudelsen experience. And when Shawn got hired. The day he

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<v Speaker 4>got hired, Brian Jefferies was out of town, and I

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<v Speaker 4>actually facilitated as the mc oh yeah for Shawn Miller's

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<v Speaker 4>opening press conference in McHale And so I was in

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<v Speaker 4>the locker room and Sean came in. So I was

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<v Speaker 4>one of the first people that he met in Tucson

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<v Speaker 4>that when he got hired. And the first question he

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<v Speaker 4>asked me was is Chase Buddinger and Jordan Hill are

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<v Speaker 4>they going to stay? Because they were, you know, sure

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<v Speaker 4>making their way to the NBA. And I said, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think so, I think they're gone. So you knew

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<v Speaker 4>at that moment, you know, Nick Wise coming back and

1040
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<v Speaker 4>then it was going to be a slew of new

1041
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<v Speaker 4>talent and some freshmen that we're going to have to

1042
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<v Speaker 4>carry that new torch. You knew that that was going

1043
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<v Speaker 4>to be a step down in talent, mainly because of

1044
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<v Speaker 4>the youthfulness of the talent, and it was unproven, so

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<v Speaker 4>you kind of knew that that team was probably not

1046
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<v Speaker 4>going to make the tournament, which they didn't. So that

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<v Speaker 4>was probably a team that you knew going in, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>this is probably not going to be at the standard

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<v Speaker 4>of what Arizona basketball has become.

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<v Speaker 5>What were you How old were you in eighty three?

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<v Speaker 5>Eighty four? Oh, I was really young, so eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>I was ten, so eighty four and you but you

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<v Speaker 2>had a love I'm sure already for sure, especially maybe

1054
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<v Speaker 2>not a love under Lindsay, but under Loot when he started,

1055
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<v Speaker 2>you know, doing really well.

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<v Speaker 4>And those who want to talk about some funny story.

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<v Speaker 4>So Julie Brasei's mom was my pe teacher in third grade,

1058
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<v Speaker 4>and so Lute's first year, I actually came down to

1059
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<v Speaker 4>games when lout had just got it started. So that

1060
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<v Speaker 4>was really when the love affairs started to Yeah, and

1061
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<v Speaker 4>you could get a ticket, no problem. Oh, you could

1062
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<v Speaker 4>be two, rose up from the bench and and you

1063
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<v Speaker 4>remember the opening Prescott put your tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, her name I forget because she was a teacher

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<v Speaker 2>at where my son was going, my oldest.

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<v Speaker 5>Jody Brasi No, no, yeah, but I thought was the

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<v Speaker 5>other one. Jody was was a teacher.

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<v Speaker 4>Jo Jody was the teacher that became a principal, Vicky.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what that remained.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, good, good, great family, the family, right right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, so then after that first second year for

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<v Speaker 4>lut I mean, come on, he set the world on

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<v Speaker 4>fire here, uh until the near the end, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know absent when that one year and and

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<v Speaker 4>uh dunlap and penal. Yeah, And that's what's maybe disappointing

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<v Speaker 4>for for me. It was the exit for him was

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<v Speaker 4>as ugly maybe the right word, because those two years

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<v Speaker 4>you thought he was going to coach, then he didn't,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you thought he was going to come back,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he didn't. So I think that might have

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<v Speaker 4>tarnished a little bit of his legacy immediately. I think

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<v Speaker 4>now people look back as they should, with awe and

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<v Speaker 4>reverence for what that man did for Arizona basketball. But

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<v Speaker 4>then to go back to your question, you look at

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<v Speaker 4>the sean years. Unfortunately, after the FBI scandal hit and

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<v Speaker 4>the type of player that was recruited immediately, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>during that COVID year, you just looked at the talent

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<v Speaker 4>level of those guys and it was not where it

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<v Speaker 4>needed to be. The point guard play was not where

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<v Speaker 4>it needed to be. You were getting some transfers early

1091
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<v Speaker 4>at that time that were maybe a step down. So

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you went into it thinking this was

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<v Speaker 4>a great Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Basketll So you're talking when since luth started forty eighty three,

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<v Speaker 2>forty two, forty one years ago, Arizona has been very

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<v Speaker 2>fortunate to have forty years pretty good basketball, forty.

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<v Speaker 5>Years of relevancy in college basketball. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>It might not been national championship level teams, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make you the blue blood, but it makes

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<v Speaker 2>you a very good program.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and that to be able to have that sustainability

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<v Speaker 4>for four decades, I agree with you when we talk

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<v Speaker 4>blue bloods, it's the very elite of elite.

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<v Speaker 5>I truly believe.

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<v Speaker 4>When you look at all of what Arizona basketball has done,

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<v Speaker 4>all the wins, the nca tournament runs, the NBA players

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<v Speaker 4>that it produced, the high level talent, the home court

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<v Speaker 4>winning streaks, the dominance of McHale. You look at that

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<v Speaker 4>and the championships that have been won at the conference level,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not it's not act like, that's not a feat.

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<v Speaker 4>Those those are tough things to do in Arizona. To

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<v Speaker 4>be consistently at that championship level at the conference, be

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<v Speaker 4>at the Pac ten, Pac twelve, now Big twelve.

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<v Speaker 5>You know Arizona is right on the edge. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>With that on the good side, we'll go. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>Ryel for showing up. Anytime you don't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to work, just let me know I got some time come.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for on. It was great to have you. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you Kobe. We'll talk you guys tomorrow
