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Speaker 3: Star USC basketball re crew Elijah Renas is in an
Speaker 3: induced coma following a serious car crash early Thursday morning
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. The eighteen year olds on A former
Speaker 3: NBA star, Gilbert Arenas, is in stable condition and initial
Speaker 3: reports indicating no broken bones.
Speaker 2: There's so many connections to UA, right right, Gilbert pat
Speaker 2: Here was a star, a pain in the next star
Speaker 2: to many of us. He does the same thing now today.
Speaker 2: He talks crazy, and he talked crazy back then. Luke
Speaker 2: was cringeing all the time. Oh what is he gonna say?
Speaker 2: But yeah, and his son was a recruit here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know a lot of fans were hoping
Speaker 4: that he would continue that tradition and bring his talents
Speaker 4: to McHale Center. But gosh, We just wish him the
Speaker 4: very very best and hope that he is there's a
Speaker 4: speedy recovery. And it sounds like, as Kobe mentioned, no
Speaker 4: broken bones, so hopefully that is a speedy recovery. But
Speaker 4: you mentioned Gilbert, Who would have thought that that guy
Speaker 4: would be paid now for his comments on life? Well,
Speaker 4: and he's got a very very popular podcast that's very
Speaker 4: funny about life.
Speaker 5: Because yeah, let me hold on.
Speaker 2: I gotta watch this because Gilbert's gonna say something what
Speaker 2: I should do. Yeah, Yeah, he's one of the last
Speaker 2: guys I would listen to for life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you.
Speaker 4: Think about the media careers of many of our players,
Speaker 4: you know, Richard and Gilbert would be non stop talking
Speaker 4: on the bus and it was unbelievable to try to
Speaker 4: get a word in edgewise. Scroll back a couple of
Speaker 4: years earlier than that, you couldn't get a word in
Speaker 4: edgewise if you were on the bus with CORYL. Williams
Speaker 4: and Reggie Geary. Those two guys have you know, burgeoning media.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure back in the day, I wasn't on
Speaker 4: the bus, but you go way back. I'm sure Tom
Speaker 4: Tolbert was another guy who had had everybody's ears burning.
Speaker 4: When it was on the bus, Steak and.
Speaker 5: Steve was doing his thing too.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Steve was stelling Tom's shut up, Tom, shut up,
Speaker 2: enough of your bs.
Speaker 4: Channing fryeh Channing Fry, another very thoughtful guy. And then
Speaker 4: really watch him on the NBA channel. He's he's blown up.
Speaker 4: And obviously he and Richard with their podcast, all.
Speaker 5: The story has been.
Speaker 2: People could tell when Gilbert and Jean and all these
Speaker 2: guys were and Richard, you know, obviously it was a
Speaker 2: casid characters. Like you said earlier, it was a fun group.
Speaker 2: It was a heck of a talented group. Twenty four
Speaker 2: years twenty five years removed from then. Crazy to think.
Speaker 4: And that is one of the one of the things
Speaker 4: as an Arizona basketball fan that I know rubs a
Speaker 4: lot of locals is the lack of a Final four.
Speaker 4: And it is it's kind of the the bad part
Speaker 4: to me of college basketball. As you are, you're graded
Speaker 4: by final four, yeah, and really not much else, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: And in matters in March, maybe matters in March, and
Speaker 2: you have a lot of stuff maybe yeah, okay, we'll
Speaker 2: go back to that. But I tell you that those
Speaker 2: times because Jay and I went back and forth blue Blood,
Speaker 2: blue Blood, blue No, it's not and you got you
Speaker 2: got it because I've asked you that too. Uh, twenty
Speaker 2: quarter of a century moved from a final four a
Speaker 2: few final fours. It had that. It's a good program
Speaker 2: with a good history. The blue Blood's that's a little different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, blue Blood puts you on a different stratosphere. And
Speaker 4: you have to and I think we talked about this.
Speaker 4: For me, blue Blood is not just final fours in
Speaker 4: the last twenty five years. There has to be a championship,
Speaker 4: at least one championship in there to be a modern
Speaker 4: day blue Blood. So that list is pretty finite. And
Speaker 4: I think, you know, you do have to ask a question.
Speaker 4: Let's ask this one. Has Florida now become a modern
Speaker 4: day blue Blood because three national titles, multiple final fours.
Speaker 5: In the last twenty years. What in the last twenty years? Yeah,
Speaker 5: well then Vanova, Yukon.
Speaker 4: Clearly, North Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas because of the number of
Speaker 4: of wins. But also they have championships, the Duke at
Speaker 4: the very least the new the new version or.
Speaker 2: The gen Z or whatever genuine to put it. Blue
Speaker 2: Blood's Yeah.
Speaker 5: New Vague.
Speaker 4: I I agree. I think you have to put Florida
Speaker 4: in that mix now with this title and with a
Speaker 4: different coach, and remove from that back to back. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that that wasn't hard and that they shouldn't
Speaker 4: get praise for that, but I think they're New Vague
Speaker 4: blue blood.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: Evan Mobley named Defensive Player of the Year, becoming first
Speaker 3: player in Cavaliers history to win the award.
Speaker 5: How about that? Is Luke still right there? Right? Luke's
Speaker 5: an assistant.
Speaker 4: No, he's with the Pistons, So he moved to the
Speaker 4: Biston Pistols. Yeah, he was with Cleveland for a while,
Speaker 4: but now he's he's with Uh. I can't remember the Pistons.
Speaker 4: Bernie Bickerstaff, who when he was coming out of kind
Speaker 4: of coming out of the U of A Bickerstaff was
Speaker 4: was that same same age. But by interesting note, Evan Mobley,
Speaker 4: UH think of us and watching him and his brother play,
Speaker 4: I think we all saw what is now coming to
Speaker 4: Fruition and the NBA. That guy is an exceptional talent,
Speaker 4: had all the physical tools, great high IQ and a
Speaker 4: great recognition for him.
Speaker 3: Arizona wide receiver to Tario McMillan is firing back at
Speaker 3: Todd McShay. After the ESPN analysts questioned his work ethic,
Speaker 3: McMillan defended himself, saying, they tripping. I feel like just
Speaker 3: turn the tape on and it speaks for itself.
Speaker 5: They tripping. They probably be tripping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think that McShay was more
Speaker 2: of the messenger.
Speaker 5: He's in this business, right, he.
Speaker 2: Talked to a couple or three people or whatever, and
Speaker 2: that's the message they were giving him.
Speaker 5: So then he's talking about it. Right.
Speaker 2: The question is who are those people he were talking about?
Speaker 2: Are they legit? Are they credible? Are they all these things?
Speaker 4: I love the dynamic now, Steve, of the relationship that
Speaker 4: athletes and the media have now because back when you
Speaker 4: were covering the team, very rarely would you have a
Speaker 4: clap back from an athlete, professional or college or otherwise.
Speaker 5: They did.
Speaker 4: Now they're the platform that these athletes have through their
Speaker 4: own social media that may have more followers than some
Speaker 4: of the experts even have to be able to voice
Speaker 4: their concerns what they feel about things. I do think
Speaker 4: when we talk so much about the changes in athletics
Speaker 4: and sports and a lot of it's a negative tonality.
Speaker 4: I actually think that's a great thing for me as
Speaker 4: a fan. I love hearing actual response. What does he
Speaker 4: really feel about that? I think that's entertainment from me.
Speaker 4: Who did he tell that to her? Who did he
Speaker 4: tell that to ESPN?
Speaker 2: Probably somebody, Yeah, because that was a big deal yesterday
Speaker 2: when he was talking about it. And I don't know
Speaker 2: McShay or whatever, but he's saying this, it's through other people,
Speaker 2: because he's not just saying this.
Speaker 5: Somebody else is telling him.
Speaker 3: Arizona men's basketball as system Steve Robinson has announced his
Speaker 3: retirement after four seasons with the Wildcats and over four
Speaker 3: decades in the game. Longtime Roy Williams assistant guide Arizona
Speaker 3: to multiple Patch twelve titles and Sweet sixteen or on.
Speaker 5: You knew him right now.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think you introduced me to him in
Speaker 2: Vegas one of the trips, knowing that I'm not as
Speaker 2: close as I used to be with the teams.
Speaker 5: But to me, he came off as like a soothsayer.
Speaker 2: A bright mind, or you know, the the right hand
Speaker 2: man to be a calming voice.
Speaker 5: I could get out, I.
Speaker 4: Could doubt a sage. You know that wise word to
Speaker 4: talk to Tommy and players. He had an incredible relationship
Speaker 4: with the players, and that's as an assistant coach, that's
Speaker 4: very important for you. I've I've known coach Rob back
Speaker 4: to his head coaching days when he was at Florida
Speaker 4: State and Arizona played a couple of Series Cample games
Speaker 4: with Florida State. I helped negotiate those contracts, so I
Speaker 4: have conversations with the Biby years with him. That was
Speaker 4: the Biby years that we we went back there, So
Speaker 4: I did. I did know him then, not as much
Speaker 4: and as close as I do know him now and
Speaker 4: his interactions. I think it was a great hire for Tommy.
Speaker 4: It was for a brand new head coach, and Tommy
Speaker 4: Lloyd he needed that. Wise maybe seasoned veteran who has
Speaker 4: sat in that seat knows the pressures, knows what it takes,
Speaker 4: but can take it from a little bit of a
Speaker 4: different perspective. So that will be a loss to Arizona
Speaker 4: basketball from that standpoint. But I believe coach Lloyd. I
Speaker 4: believe in him very well. I think Arizona will come
Speaker 4: out of this better for it long term. When you
Speaker 4: look at what a new coach can bring that can
Speaker 4: get out on the road and recruit, bring a younger
Speaker 4: maybe voice to where Tommy's at now. And I believe
Speaker 4: Tommy's got somebody lined up that Arizona fans will be
Speaker 4: very happy with.
Speaker 3: The Arizona Wildcuts baseball team are twenty nine to eleven
Speaker 3: and they're sitting in a three way tie for second
Speaker 3: in the Big Twelve as they hit the road for
Speaker 3: a three game set in Lubbock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they beat Arlington, was it last night? I think
Speaker 2: they'd be there, yes here.
Speaker 4: How about that program doing really good work? And so
Speaker 4: Summerhill comes back after a seventeen game injury that kept
Speaker 4: him out of the lineup, sees his first pitch, takes
Speaker 4: it yard. Yeah, goes home run on the first pitch
Speaker 4: he's seen in seventeen games.
Speaker 5: How fun is that?
Speaker 4: Obviously for Arizona baseball, but what a talent to be
Speaker 4: able to do that. Exciting times for Chip Hale and
Speaker 4: the Arizona baseball.
Speaker 5: Well, they've said that he's the difference or he helps
Speaker 5: make a difference.
Speaker 3: So right away, a Kobe Bryant Lakers jersey from his
Speaker 3: rookie season just sold for seven million dollars at South
Speaker 3: dvis and is the most ever paid for a Brian collectible,
Speaker 3: and Rinks is the fourth highest price ever for a game.
Speaker 5: More sports jersey, what's your what's your prize possession? Wow?
Speaker 5: What's your price position?
Speaker 4: From the sports memorabilia standpoys?
Speaker 2: And then something you I don't want a price on it,
Speaker 2: just something you would not give up.
Speaker 4: I have a bench chair from the nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 4: National champion and so as as a member of that
Speaker 4: team we were.
Speaker 5: Getting from Minnesota from Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have a bench chair from the two
Speaker 4: thousand and one year?
Speaker 5: Was it a chair chair? How was it folding chair?
Speaker 5: Okay o?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that had the on the past the logo on
Speaker 4: the back white chairs. So that would be one that
Speaker 4: hey you couldn't you can't buy.
Speaker 5: Those chairs, right? So I did not.
Speaker 4: It's just it's you can still have it signed, well
Speaker 4: signed by who?
Speaker 5: But the guys up paid on the team.
Speaker 4: I guess if not having loot on it probably would
Speaker 4: is the big miss there. That was probably my my
Speaker 4: price position. I'm not a big sports memorabilia guy. I think,
Speaker 4: I think, and I'm blessed and so don't take this
Speaker 4: the wrong way. But when you're a part of the
Speaker 4: team like I was, and you know the players as individuals.
Speaker 5: The memorabilia of a game.
Speaker 4: Warn jersey by one of the Arizona players or an
Speaker 4: autograph just doesn't mean as much to me. And I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm curious the sports memorabilia world. That's incredible that
Speaker 4: they're still getting that much money in the sports memorabilia.
Speaker 4: But Kobe is on a different level.
Speaker 3: So Door Sanders worries about getting drafted, they they well
Speaker 3: call it one second, I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna have to give you. Are you gonna take your
Speaker 5: money back?
Speaker 3: There was big Shoud Door sin Shad Door Sanders now
Speaker 3: projected to go twenty one in the NFL draft, as
Speaker 3: he was projected to go second just two months ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah. See who do you believe? Right?
Speaker 2: I dealt with this when they was doing the NBA
Speaker 2: with the guys, when Miles was coming out, Dickerson and
Speaker 2: Bibbie and all these guys, people say this, see that.
Speaker 2: And Gilbert Gilbert was a first round guy. He didn't
Speaker 2: come out first round. He was the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 2: slipped to the second round. What's interesting in some stories
Speaker 2: from the past is all of those guys there would
Speaker 2: be agent runners, but there would also be NBA inside
Speaker 2: staff members that would make calls to the athletic trainer.
Speaker 2: I know Justin Kokowski today is getting calls probably about
Speaker 2: Caleb Love and what type of person he is off
Speaker 2: the court in the training room. You did, so those
Speaker 2: things all factor in. And I'm not saying that this
Speaker 2: is what should do. It's happening to him, but just
Speaker 2: in general, when you look at the players, the money
Speaker 2: that's being thrown out, those franchises have to do their
Speaker 2: due diligence and it's every single person that they're talking to,
Speaker 2: and boyd, what an amazing change for that guy to
Speaker 2: go from but potentially the second pick to late first round.
Speaker 5: What a change.
Speaker 4: Hey, question retired Jersey at Colorado Sanders and Travis Hunter. Yes, no, No,
Speaker 4: for need for either one or not not right away.
Speaker 4: You rethink it maybe Hunter down the road, but no,
Speaker 4: especially when you had who's the quarterback from the back
Speaker 4: in the day, Stewart Stewart, There's been a few others.
Speaker 5: No, No.
Speaker 4: I thought that was an interesting take to see those
Speaker 4: Jersey retirements, Like you said this quickly and maybe if ever.
Speaker 5: Even twelve was a quarterback. But hey, my dad is
Speaker 5: not the coach.
Speaker 3: Miami quarterback Kim Ward is now a minus twenty thousand
Speaker 3: favorite to be the first pick in the NFL Draft
Speaker 3: from a seven to one long shot in November leap
Speaker 3: dropping both shad Or Sanders and Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been a nice bed back in
Speaker 2: the day. Talented, right, and kind of is one of
Speaker 2: those quarterbacks of today who can do a lot of
Speaker 2: different things side arm blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Did you think he was He was going to be
Speaker 4: potentially the first pick quarterback to pick in the NFL
Speaker 4: draft when he was at Washington.
Speaker 2: So no, obviously talented. But next year, I guess what
Speaker 2: we'll know. We'll know something from some other place, right
Speaker 2: because oh he's got he moved up to another school
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and now he's this guy.
Speaker 5: It's who you played for, who you play with and projecting.
Speaker 4: I think that might be the most difficult projection in
Speaker 4: all of professional sports.
Speaker 5: His quarterback at the NFL level where you look at
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence is not exactly lighting the world on fire,
Speaker 4: and everyone tapped him at seven generational as generational, right,
Speaker 4: So that is a very difficult evaluation. Is who can
Speaker 4: you project to be the next great The.
Speaker 2: Guy that I really loved the year before was Nick's
Speaker 2: just loved to at Oregon, and Pennix was the guy
Speaker 2: at Washington, and I still loved both, obviously very good.
Speaker 2: Washington was the better team, but Bo had and he
Speaker 2: was older, right, he was older. Uh, and you can't
Speaker 2: teach older, you know. And he was and he was
Speaker 2: fantastic at Dender And we'll see how good Panix will be.
Speaker 3: So that is it for today's breaking news.
Speaker 5: Okay, did we have anything else going on? Well, we're
Speaker 5: gonna talk about.
Speaker 4: We're clos wanted to make sure we hit Elijah Renas
Speaker 4: so that we gave Oh yeah, right, props there.
Speaker 5: I know for sure that was a topic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about maybe Kenrea Yadiera.
Speaker 5: We're gonna Mike.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have Mike, We're gonna have John Feena here
Speaker 2: in a little bit. Just what flow is transferring? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: justin flow another characterstic characters?
Speaker 5: Right? I remember, And I texted Jay.
Speaker 2: Last night when it came out, because when he came
Speaker 2: out for the first time to talk to the media
Speaker 2: and he's looking like this Adonis. Holy crap, and Jay,
Speaker 2: Jay and his look good played good way you know,
Speaker 2: flow comes out, he says, he Texas says. Back then,
Speaker 2: he says, Arizona never got guys that look like this, right,
Speaker 2: they just didn't human specimen, a five star guy and
Speaker 2: kind of like a crazy, crazy football player, and then
Speaker 2: he just didn't develop the way they liked.
Speaker 5: He hasn't developed under three coaches now, right.
Speaker 4: And so my question to you is, outside of Justin Flow,
Speaker 4: most hyped Arizona football player that didn't pan out.
Speaker 2: Well, there's the kid and I forget his name all
Speaker 2: the time Stoops defensive end JC transfer. Oh yeah, Holmes Holmes,
Speaker 2: Lewis Holmes. That would be one for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The hype was out of this world for him.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't think he did he ever take
Speaker 4: a snap in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. So along
Speaker 2: those lines, maybe one in one A. Yeah, there could
Speaker 2: be others.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's definitely a recency bias for Justin Flow, which
Speaker 4: is too bad because, like you said, all the physical
Speaker 4: tools in the world and just wasn't able to make
Speaker 4: the contributions that we all expected, or at least what
Speaker 4: was hyped up.
Speaker 2: You got to go already, so we'll get a hold
Speaker 2: of John Fino out.
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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and with me
Speaker 2: today is Ryan Hanson. Now on the phone.
Speaker 5: We have former you.
Speaker 2: Of a football star back in the day, John Fina.
Speaker 5: How are you John? I'm doing really well.
Speaker 13: How are you, fellas?
Speaker 5: We're doing fine. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I wanted to have you on to take us back
Speaker 2: for a number of things. Just take us back to
Speaker 2: when you were out of you of a you had
Speaker 2: the chance to get drafted. How are you feeling. I
Speaker 2: think we've already had this discussion of time or two.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling? And where did you end up
Speaker 2: staying to get a call?
Speaker 14: Yeah, so you know, my draft journey was a little
Speaker 14: bit different, I think than the guys that you look
Speaker 14: at on the screen today who are expecting to get
Speaker 14: drafted in the first round. I was not very well.
Speaker 14: I guess known about right. I was kind of a sleeper.
Speaker 14: I just I performed really well in a couple of games,
Speaker 14: in particular against some pretty high level competition. I went
Speaker 14: to the Shrine game and did well there, and then
Speaker 14: I had a really good combine. So it's not like
Speaker 14: today where you have so much media looking at so
Speaker 14: many players every day, every jump, every run, every lift,
Speaker 14: So you didn't see people moving up and down the
Speaker 14: board or holding a place high on the board.
Speaker 13: As you do today. So you know, I actually.
Speaker 14: Signed up with my agent because I drove to Phoenix
Speaker 14: and knocked on the door.
Speaker 13: And said, hey, I think I might need representation, and
Speaker 13: they more or less said.
Speaker 5: Who are you?
Speaker 14: And you know, I, along with about twenty five other
Speaker 14: guys in their draft class, we had the big party
Speaker 14: the night before.
Speaker 5: We went to a ballroom the.
Speaker 14: Next day and we just you know, we sat around
Speaker 14: in a big ball room watching the draft on the TV.
Speaker 14: And I was fortunate, you know, I got that call
Speaker 14: early on, and it was.
Speaker 13: It was an incredible feeling, and just.
Speaker 14: From at the beginning thinking I would be maybe a
Speaker 14: fourth round pick, maybe a third round pick.
Speaker 13: Just to have the type of response that.
Speaker 14: I was getting post Combine from coaches and scouts, you know,
Speaker 14: really kind of notted me up.
Speaker 5: A little bit.
Speaker 14: But going in the first round was a little unexpected
Speaker 14: and one of the one of the highlights of my life.
Speaker 4: Hey, John, this is Ryan Hanson. Great talking to a
Speaker 4: outstanding Tucson great. We love having you on. I'm thinking
Speaker 4: back to your draft and, like you said, the draft
Speaker 4: now a little bit different. In and around that time,
Speaker 4: were you getting word that teams liked you in and around.
Speaker 4: Ultimately you went to the Bills. But were there other
Speaker 4: teams that you heard that really liked you and thought
Speaker 4: me you thought maybe you would get drafted by one
Speaker 4: of those teams.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so you know kind of what I was just
Speaker 14: talking about. People didn't really know anything about me and
Speaker 14: the public sphere and the media sphere. But before the draft,
Speaker 14: I took trips to Seattle and Denver and had a
Speaker 14: lot of conversations with not necessarily the Buffalo Bills, though
Speaker 14: the scout came out here, but I had a number
Speaker 14: of conversations with various teams, so that didn't get reported
Speaker 14: on like it does now. Right, you got the thirty visits,
Speaker 14: so every team sort of has to declare who's coming
Speaker 14: in for the thirty visits.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like that back then.
Speaker 13: So I had.
Speaker 14: About five or six teams, including Bill Belichick at the
Speaker 14: Cleveland Browns at the time where I thought I likely
Speaker 14: could sneak into the second round from the third. But
Speaker 14: as a draft laid out, Detroit picked before Buffalo, and
Speaker 14: that Robert Porchet was still available. You know that I
Speaker 14: think the Bills would have taken Robert as a defensive end.
Speaker 14: But when Detroit took him. I was next on their
Speaker 14: big board and fortunately got drafted to the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2: So so I know you have known you when I
Speaker 2: covered you back in that time, and you were very
Speaker 2: talented obviously offensive lineman. What do you think eventually sold them?
Speaker 2: Because I think you're acumen, you're smart, and your IQ
Speaker 2: helped you become a first rounder.
Speaker 14: Two wow, man, you know I gotta like Venmo. You
Speaker 14: twenty bucks, right, I mean for such nice things to
Speaker 14: me on a regular basis. You know, it's there are
Speaker 14: three components to being a serviceable offensive lineman. And you know,
Speaker 14: as you know, I have two sons who one is
Speaker 14: in his sixth year at Duke right and then Roman
Speaker 14: is going to Duke in June and he'll be on
Speaker 14: the football team, and I tell him, you know, there's
Speaker 14: three things that you must do as an offensive lineman
Speaker 14: to get on the field and stay on the field.
Speaker 14: And number one is don't have any mental errors, okay,
Speaker 14: because we can't help you if you're not even willing
Speaker 14: to block the right damn person. Number two, don't hurt
Speaker 14: the team. Eliminate, reduce penalties as much as you can.
Speaker 14: No holding, no off sides. Those are the two biggies
Speaker 14: for offensive linemens, don't commit penalties, don't make us go backwards.
Speaker 14: And number three is stay off the ground. You're no
Speaker 14: good to me on the ground. You can't block anybody.
Speaker 14: So you know I was able to do those three things.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 14: One, because I was an athlete, I would stay off
Speaker 14: the ground. Two, I was smart enough to remember, you know,
Speaker 14: because blocking schemes are pretty intricate, and defense is change
Speaker 14: up fronts.
Speaker 5: All the time.
Speaker 14: When they move, your brain has to move. You got
Speaker 14: to be on the right guy. And I was technique
Speaker 14: solid things to guy like Pat Hill. And I was
Speaker 14: able to, you know, resist from holding penalties. So you
Speaker 14: know I had those three things in my favor. And
Speaker 14: then as long as you can stay healthy and you
Speaker 14: got a team that likes you, you could stick around.
Speaker 5: For quite a while.
Speaker 4: John, the differences in basketball between a center and a
Speaker 4: big man and a guard, I have a pretty good
Speaker 4: handle on the different mentality and the different expectations. Walk
Speaker 4: me through, because I've heard these stories, the different expectations
Speaker 4: of an offensive lineman versus a defensive lineman.
Speaker 5: And you just said it.
Speaker 4: You give up one sack, you have one holding penalty,
Speaker 4: and you've had a horrible game as a defensive lineman.
Speaker 4: If you get one sack, you're lauded as like you're
Speaker 4: on the way to the Hall of Fame practically. So
Speaker 4: walk me through that. Just that different dynamic.
Speaker 13: Well, you know what's interesting about that.
Speaker 14: Is, you know, that type of mentality.
Speaker 13: And offensive line and now they're a little.
Speaker 14: Bit more celebrity status. You know, it's a little bit
Speaker 14: more exciting to talk about offensive linemen because there's so
Speaker 14: much information out there. You got social media, you got
Speaker 14: you know, guys like you doing a great job on
Speaker 14: the radio, and people.
Speaker 5: Get talked about.
Speaker 14: Whereas this was the forgotten group. And because of that,
Speaker 14: you know, you always had this edge of unappreciation, you
Speaker 14: know to your sort of personality, your countenance. So the
Speaker 14: offensive line rooms tend to be very very close, right,
Speaker 14: it's all everybody jumps on the rope and polls and
Speaker 14: nobody gets a lot of credit and we all had to.
Speaker 5: Really stick together.
Speaker 14: And beyond that, you talked about what the mentality. You know,
Speaker 14: you don't see offensive linemen rolling in and out because
Speaker 14: it's second and short or third and long, right, I mean,
Speaker 14: these sobs are on the field sixty five to eighty
Speaker 14: five plays a game, and the only break they get
Speaker 14: is when they're on the sideline, right, So by the
Speaker 14: end of the game, you're so damn tired you can't
Speaker 14: even lift your arms anymore. And these defensive ends who
Speaker 14: are rolling in defensive tackles coming out, I mean, they're
Speaker 14: drinking Coca cola on the sideline, laughing it up.
Speaker 13: I could hardly.
Speaker 2: Catch my breath, so moved you when Dick decided to
Speaker 2: move you from that side the ball to the offensive side.
Speaker 14: What do you think, Oh, I was upset, you know,
Speaker 14: in that day and age. Unfortunately, my opinion of offensive
Speaker 14: lineman wasn't very high, right because I didn't understand that mindset.
Speaker 14: I always considered them to be, you know, just a
Speaker 14: bunch of cry babies that you know you're holding your
Speaker 14: whole You know, they'd accused defensive linemen all the time,
Speaker 14: and yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 13: I always thought that being.
Speaker 14: An offensive lineman was not an aggressive position, right, that
Speaker 14: you were taking beatings rather than giving them.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't until I.
Speaker 14: Got thrust into that meeting room and understood the mindset
Speaker 14: of the way offensive line and offensive line play is
Speaker 14: coached in the belief system that I felt like, all right,
Speaker 14: I might be skinny, I might be a little weak,
Speaker 14: I might be uh, you know, misunderstanding all this technique
Speaker 14: and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But you know, these guys are pretty smart and they're tough, and.
Speaker 14: They stick together, and I think, you know, they kind
Speaker 14: of like that marine mentality. Right, we're all gonna we're
Speaker 14: all gonna run into the bullets together, and we're gonna
Speaker 14: stand up for one another.
Speaker 13: Regardless of the circumstances.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you if I could so so at
Speaker 2: one point in any at any point in your career,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you were close to Dick, tell me
Speaker 2: did you kind of say to him at some point say,
Speaker 2: you know, thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 14: I mean, I was really appreciative that Dick tomy. You know,
Speaker 14: I was sort of the last roster spot as a
Speaker 14: senior coming out of a South Point Catholic, and you know,
Speaker 14: there are a lot of guys that were more highly
Speaker 14: recruited and come to find out many years later that
Speaker 14: it was between me and another guy for more or
Speaker 14: less that final scholarship spot. And if you remember correctly,
Speaker 14: it was that transition year when Dick first took the job,
Speaker 14: and you know, I didn't know if I even had
Speaker 14: a scholarship, So I was looking at Colorado State or
Speaker 14: New Mexico as my best options at the time. And
Speaker 14: I was fortunate and they came out, watched me play
Speaker 14: basketball and felt like I was athletic enough, energetic enough,
Speaker 14: hard working enough that they continue to extend that scholarship
Speaker 14: that Larry Smith initially offered.
Speaker 4: Hey John in the Nil era, now that we see,
Speaker 4: just a funny question thinking back to your time, if
Speaker 4: the nil was a thing, would you have gone after
Speaker 4: funds or support from dirt Bags, Lucky Wishbone or Egs.
Speaker 4: Which local Tucson favorite would you have gone to?
Speaker 5: Quickly? In first, well, I was about to rip into.
Speaker 14: Your rhino because I have this Nil conversation probably about
Speaker 14: five times a week, and people don't like my opinions
Speaker 14: in a lot of cases. But you know, opinions are like,
Speaker 14: you know what, everybody's got one right. But I would
Speaker 14: I would think that, you know, without you know, damaging
Speaker 14: my sterling reputation, I might have gone for dirt Bags
Speaker 14: followed by Eg's And no, I mean, I love, I
Speaker 14: love the idea of the Lucky Wishbone, but I tend
Speaker 14: not to dine there very often.
Speaker 5: At least not now at our age. Right, it's just.
Speaker 2: So, so you gave us your list, but give us
Speaker 2: your NIL philosophy.
Speaker 13: Well, I think a lot of people are upset, right.
Speaker 5: They don't like.
Speaker 14: How players are moving around with the portal, they don't
Speaker 14: like go out. They're not amateurs anymore. And you know
Speaker 14: my response to that is, so what I mean? The
Speaker 14: NC two A had a captive labor pool forever, and
Speaker 14: they mistreated, misvalued, and the pendulum was held way up
Speaker 14: high on one side. And then finally right they came
Speaker 14: together as players and obviously lawyers right, and that pendulum
Speaker 14: swung and it swung hard. And this may not be
Speaker 14: where nil and the portal remains and it is fluid
Speaker 14: and it's changing all the time, but damn it all,
Speaker 14: it's the right thing. Coaches could recruit you and a
Speaker 14: year later get a great deal and move off to
Speaker 14: Auburn or Oregon or wherever the hell they want to go.
Speaker 5: And then you were stuck. That made no sense to me.
Speaker 14: And then when I see teammates who are from outside
Speaker 14: of Arizona try to rub nickels together to get home
Speaker 14: to see their families, right, guys that aren't living in
Speaker 14: the greatest of places because the scholarship checks really weren't
Speaker 14: sufficient enough.
Speaker 13: And now I hear your.
Speaker 14: Listeners out there right now screaming at their radios.
Speaker 13: You know, Oh, a bunch of pampered athletes and.
Speaker 5: All that bs.
Speaker 14: Well, I'll tell you, if you asked me twenty years ago,
Speaker 14: I would have said, double.
Speaker 13: Or triple their scholarship checks. Let them buy insurance.
Speaker 14: From the rest of their life from the university that
Speaker 14: they worked for, and give them fifteen hundred dollars into
Speaker 14: an IRA, right, and do that across the board for
Speaker 14: every athlete, and you.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't have had the.
Speaker 14: Pendulum swing so far. So I'm excited for these kids.
Speaker 14: I think it's great opportunity. A lot of them, they
Speaker 14: dedicate themselves to their sport. You don't recruit a kid
Speaker 14: to a power for school unless they want to play.
Speaker 5: In the NFL. But those odds are so low, so they're.
Speaker 14: Focusing on their sport. They're trying to focus on academics
Speaker 14: all at a maybe in parentheses there, but at least
Speaker 14: in this situation, you could be a great college athlete
Speaker 14: not make it in the NFL. But if you're smart, and.
Speaker 13: I'm not responsible for investing their money or taking.
Speaker 5: Care of it.
Speaker 14: At least they got a leg up in life for
Speaker 14: a little while, right, And I think that is a
Speaker 14: great thing for these kids to have that they're you know,
Speaker 14: as a resource.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming your kids are benefiting from this as well,
Speaker 2: and obviously going to a great school.
Speaker 14: Well, I mean, the great school is really the number
Speaker 14: one thing, right or Bruno's taking great advantage of it.
Speaker 14: He graduated from UCLA with a you know, a really
Speaker 14: awesome great point average, and he's in the NBA program
Speaker 14: at Duke.
Speaker 5: You know, that's that's first and foremost. Number two.
Speaker 14: He gets to continue to play left tackle. The UCLA
Speaker 14: was toying with moving him inside. And the importance to
Speaker 14: that is if Bruno has a chance in the NFL,
Speaker 14: he's playing tackle now and.
Speaker 5: You can convert to.
Speaker 14: The inside center or guard, but you typically do not
Speaker 14: see and I can't think of a single instance where
Speaker 14: a guys played guard in college and moved out the
Speaker 14: tackle in the NFL.
Speaker 13: And with respect to either of.
Speaker 14: My boys, nil opportunities. You know, it's not really a
Speaker 14: place for me to, you know, go on the radio
Speaker 14: and talk about if they chose to. I suggest you
Speaker 14: send Bruno a text and ask if he'd like to
Speaker 14: come out and talk about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I do find John, you made a great
Speaker 4: point that I hadn't thought about until you mentioned it.
Speaker 4: And that is the tight grip that the NCAA held
Speaker 4: on this whole philosophic, philosophical idea of paying student athletes,
Speaker 4: and they let it go so long because they just
Speaker 4: could not relinquish control created to a certain degree, the
Speaker 4: wild wild West that we are now starting to see
Speaker 4: a little bit of some fences and some regulatory standards.
Speaker 4: That would be my only thing about it. I'm with you, like,
Speaker 4: if you can earn more money by changing jobs, then
Speaker 4: go for it.
Speaker 5: It's the same opportunity here.
Speaker 4: If you can earn a better opportunity, a better life
Speaker 4: for you by changing schools and changing from one school
Speaker 4: to another because the NIL package is better, then that's
Speaker 4: America to a certain degree. To me, like, go for it.
Speaker 4: I don't want to hold you back if the money
Speaker 4: is there. I just think there needs to be a
Speaker 4: little bit more regulatory standards with contracts, and the professional
Speaker 4: leagues have refined it where they've figured some things out.
Speaker 4: What that looks like I don't know, but it still
Speaker 4: feels a little too wide open spaces for me.
Speaker 14: Well, hey, I'm a disruptor, so I love it and
Speaker 14: I don't disagree with you. But I'm not going to
Speaker 14: run out griping about it. I'm going to let the
Speaker 14: powers who are in control, you know, not that I'm one.
Speaker 5: Of them, figure it out. And I figure everything.
Speaker 14: You know, there's a regression to the mean, so that
Speaker 14: will balance out some way somehow, But the opportunity would
Speaker 14: never exist, and I love it. I look at it
Speaker 14: the same way with the PAC twelve, right, I mean
Speaker 14: that was a damn mercy killing. I mean, you want
Speaker 14: to talk about a league that was just mismanaged and
Speaker 14: run so poorly, and the PAC twelve network was absolute
Speaker 14: garbage that when the PAC twelve went down, oh man,
Speaker 14: I mean I thought I thought I was going to
Speaker 14: be the guy in Old Yeller that took it out
Speaker 14: to the woodshed and.
Speaker 13: Took care of business. I was so happy to see
Speaker 13: that go away real quick.
Speaker 5: Are you still doing your podcast just during the season?
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, we're doing installments now at least once or
Speaker 14: twice a week.
Speaker 13: It's the overreaction.
Speaker 14: Buffalo Sports Network live on YouTube. We do about four
Speaker 14: shows during the season. Right now we're doing about two shows.
Speaker 14: We're having a blast. It's me former teammate Jerry Ostrowsky
Speaker 14: and Joe Miller, local Buffalo fan and legend nicknamed the.
Speaker 5: Voice because he's got a fantastic voice.
Speaker 14: We're having a great time with it. If anybody out
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Speaker 5: Is a Buffalo Bills fan, go to.
Speaker 14: YouTube search Overreaction Buffalo, please like and subscribe. We're having
Speaker 14: an absolutely wonderful time doing it, picking up some sponsors,
Speaker 14: and it's really brought me closer not just to the Buffalo.
Speaker 5: Bills, but to the game overall.
Speaker 14: And it gives me a chance, you know, instead of
Speaker 14: just yelling at the TV, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Get to yell at you.
Speaker 13: I get to yell at Steven.
Speaker 5: Right up a little bit.
Speaker 4: Hey, what's the most what's the most what's the most
Speaker 4: immediate need for the Buffalo Bills picking thirtieth today in
Speaker 4: the in the first round.
Speaker 14: Well, look, we've we've gone over this on the podcast
Speaker 14: a lot. You know, there's nothing out there in the media.
Speaker 14: I think everybody really settles into it's either an impact player,
Speaker 14: a defensive tackle or you know, a really really strong
Speaker 14: zone cover corner. So both positions you could flip.
Speaker 5: A coin and they're semi related. Right.
Speaker 14: If you get somebody who can get up field on
Speaker 14: the D line, then it takes a little pressure off
Speaker 14: the corners. You get a lockdown corner or somebody who's
Speaker 14: you know, doesn't make mistakes in the secondary, then you
Speaker 14: get a little bit more time for the D line
Speaker 14: to get there to get home.
Speaker 13: However, the Bills have ten draft picks, right.
Speaker 5: That's a lot. That's a lot of draft capital.
Speaker 14: Brandon Bean has done an extraordinary job identifying and developing
Speaker 14: talent in rounds two through five. So another theory is
Speaker 14: a lot of people say about this draft that's it's
Speaker 14: loaded with starters but not stars. So maybe you back
Speaker 14: out of that first round and you really flood the
Speaker 14: zone in rounds two, three, and four and pick up
Speaker 14: some of those guys that you think could be starters,
Speaker 14: players and development guys to plug gaps a little bit
Speaker 14: here and there. But let me tell you what I'm
Speaker 14: really excited about the straft. I mean T mac Let's go, oh,
Speaker 14: how great is that?
Speaker 13: I mean, I see him anywhere from.
Speaker 5: Ten to fourteen fifteen. I think it's just gonna be amazing.
Speaker 14: I'm gonna open my door and I'm gonna listen to
Speaker 14: the entire Tucson.
Speaker 5: Community scream with joy when that kids picked. Can I
Speaker 5: offer a suggestion for your podcast if you have you on?
Speaker 5: Is that what it me? No?
Speaker 2: If you want to be good at it, just having
Speaker 2: an opinion, it doesn't.
Speaker 13: You don't.
Speaker 5: It looks like you don't have an opinion on anything. No,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 13: I don't have any opinions.
Speaker 5: You know the truth.
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 14: I don't call the shots in a lot of areas
Speaker 14: in my life. So this kind of gives me that
Speaker 14: cathartic release. I get to say something, and you know,
Speaker 14: people can't talk back to me. I just get to
Speaker 14: say it out.
Speaker 5: Loud at the top of my lungs.
Speaker 2: Yes, great, Thank you. John has always appreciate you. Hey
Speaker 2: end by the way, the twenty bucks just been living.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you very much.
Speaker 13: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Take care John, you guys take care, great show. Thanks
Speaker 2: for having me. John, one of the great guys, smart
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to ilan about here on Fox Sports
Speaker 2: fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, You Ryan Hanson. We get
Speaker 2: Kobe finishing this off the end of the day. We
Speaker 2: got about eight minutes. Very a little time, but it's
Speaker 2: good to talk to John John Good Show with ca
Speaker 2: Andre and Fina. I didn't realize. I know, I knew this.
Speaker 2: I knew this because I covered this, But it's been
Speaker 2: thirty five years probably since he was in the draft.
Speaker 2: Right that he went late first round. I thought it
Speaker 2: was my every second if I could remember quickly, but twenty.
Speaker 4: Seventh, Yeah, and some pretty incredible teams that he was
Speaker 4: a part of there with.
Speaker 5: The very much so him and Glenn Parker.
Speaker 4: Right, you think about you know some of the teams
Speaker 4: that didn't ultimately win it, but boy, the success that
Speaker 4: they had is almost unmatched.
Speaker 5: And for him to be a part of all of
Speaker 5: that run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no shame in finishing second. Although no
Speaker 2: one remembers from finishing second, we do, and.
Speaker 5: They have a connection.
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask him, but I didn't know if
Speaker 4: his and I'm sure he has a take, because like
Speaker 4: you said, he is very opinionated, but just i'd be
Speaker 4: curious people's thoughts on best Tucson High school football player
Speaker 4: of all time.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he would have said that. He would have
Speaker 5: been interested to hear him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that every now and again with
Speaker 2: Jay and Javier kind of knows too. I don't know
Speaker 2: the history, but there's been a few of them. There's
Speaker 2: been a vision's pretty damn good.
Speaker 4: Well, and his story is still unfolding right when you
Speaker 4: think of where he's at. But a friend of mine
Speaker 4: ran into Michael Bates recently. Yes, so another guy that
Speaker 4: maybe sometimes falls through the cracks. But what a talented
Speaker 4: family that was.
Speaker 2: I've tried to give him on too. He's a hard
Speaker 2: man to find.
Speaker 5: He was huge.
Speaker 2: I think he's lost a lot of weight to get
Speaker 2: some but yeah, he'd be a great guest too.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Tucson greats, I wanted your take on this one.
Speaker 4: Becky Burke, new women's basketball coach, decides to hire Julie Hairgrove,
Speaker 4: Julie Brazi Hairgrove, loud Olsen's granddaughter, maybe arguably the best
Speaker 4: women's basketball high school player in Tucson history. To me,
Speaker 4: I have a great relationship with Julie. I think it's
Speaker 4: an incredibly great hire because of her Phoenix Mercury experience.
Speaker 4: She's got WNBA experience. A great coach obviously, the connection
Speaker 4: to the community will will help her get started, but
Speaker 4: the coaching side will be tremendous from her. What's your
Speaker 4: take on bringing Julie back.
Speaker 2: No, fantastic, fantastic get. Don't know if she had to
Speaker 2: convince her to do it or not, but it's a
Speaker 2: fantastic get. I think that people wanted her originally to
Speaker 2: be the coach before Dia, right. I think their name
Speaker 2: was mentioned there. No, no fantastic. In fact, someone texted
Speaker 2: me or put it on Twitter. Am I going to
Speaker 2: get both of them on soon, you know, to talk
Speaker 2: about the situation.
Speaker 4: I think you should, and I think they'd be great
Speaker 4: to Yeah, I agree to. I think Julie will be
Speaker 4: wonderful because she is a competitor. I think she'll fit
Speaker 4: right in with Becky if that's the one thing that
Speaker 4: I came away so impressed with Coach Burke's press conference
Speaker 4: and then the things she said, yeah, that she's not
Speaker 4: going to be outworked, She's going to be a competitor,
Speaker 4: and I love hearing.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't become who you become by you know. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know we lost, but you know, no, you care
Speaker 2: because you care about not losing. Let me ask you
Speaker 2: because we talked about this maybe with Dave Silver, who
Speaker 2: will be on with me tomorrow. You've covered the basketball
Speaker 2: and you know history before that, and I said that,
Speaker 2: when was the last time Arizona had a bad basketball?
Speaker 5: You ever said Arizona it was not going to be
Speaker 5: very good in your time? Can you?
Speaker 2: Which was like the team that kind of didn't didn't
Speaker 2: do it for you that I.
Speaker 4: Thought would do it? Maybe No, no, that didn't like
Speaker 4: you saying very good.
Speaker 2: I've never I can't remember me saying, oh, how's the
Speaker 2: team in the summer, how's the team going to be
Speaker 2: it's as they're going to be good, and they were good.
Speaker 2: Maybe the end of the Shawn's teams were kind of
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know his first team.
Speaker 4: His first team is probably where I was going to
Speaker 4: go to because you knew, and this.
Speaker 5: Is a story.
Speaker 4: So I was in the athletics department at the time,
Speaker 4: and I was overseeing. This is two thousand and nine,
Speaker 4: so I was in the fundraising area. But I was
Speaker 4: one of the few at the time that had the
Speaker 4: Loudelsen experience. And when Shawn got hired. The day he
Speaker 4: got hired, Brian Jefferies was out of town, and I
Speaker 4: actually facilitated as the mc oh yeah for Shawn Miller's
Speaker 4: opening press conference in McHale And so I was in
Speaker 4: the locker room and Sean came in. So I was
Speaker 4: one of the first people that he met in Tucson
Speaker 4: that when he got hired. And the first question he
Speaker 4: asked me was is Chase Buddinger and Jordan Hill are
Speaker 4: they going to stay? Because they were, you know, sure
Speaker 4: making their way to the NBA. And I said, I
Speaker 4: don't think so, I think they're gone. So you knew
Speaker 4: at that moment, you know, Nick Wise coming back and
Speaker 4: then it was going to be a slew of new
Speaker 4: talent and some freshmen that we're going to have to
Speaker 4: carry that new torch. You knew that that was going
Speaker 4: to be a step down in talent, mainly because of
Speaker 4: the youthfulness of the talent, and it was unproven, so
Speaker 4: you kind of knew that that team was probably not
Speaker 4: going to make the tournament, which they didn't. So that
Speaker 4: was probably a team that you knew going in, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is probably not going to be at the standard
Speaker 4: of what Arizona basketball has become.
Speaker 5: What were you How old were you in eighty three?
Speaker 5: Eighty four? Oh, I was really young, so eighty four.
Speaker 2: I was ten, so eighty four and you but you
Speaker 2: had a love I'm sure already for sure, especially maybe
Speaker 2: not a love under Lindsay, but under Loot when he started,
Speaker 2: you know, doing really well.
Speaker 4: And those who want to talk about some funny story.
Speaker 4: So Julie Brasei's mom was my pe teacher in third grade,
Speaker 4: and so Lute's first year, I actually came down to
Speaker 4: games when lout had just got it started. So that
Speaker 4: was really when the love affairs started to Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you could get a ticket, no problem. Oh, you could
Speaker 4: be two, rose up from the bench and and you
Speaker 4: remember the opening Prescott put your tickets.
Speaker 2: Now, her name I forget because she was a teacher
Speaker 2: at where my son was going, my oldest.
Speaker 5: Jody Brasi No, no, yeah, but I thought was the
Speaker 5: other one. Jody was was a teacher.
Speaker 4: Jo Jody was the teacher that became a principal, Vicky.
Speaker 5: That's what that remained.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, good, great family, the family, right right, Okay,
Speaker 4: So yeah, so then after that first second year for
Speaker 4: lut I mean, come on, he set the world on
Speaker 4: fire here, uh until the near the end, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know absent when that one year and and
Speaker 4: uh dunlap and penal. Yeah, And that's what's maybe disappointing
Speaker 4: for for me. It was the exit for him was
Speaker 4: as ugly maybe the right word, because those two years
Speaker 4: you thought he was going to coach, then he didn't,
Speaker 4: and then you thought he was going to come back,
Speaker 4: and then he didn't. So I think that might have
Speaker 4: tarnished a little bit of his legacy immediately. I think
Speaker 4: now people look back as they should, with awe and
Speaker 4: reverence for what that man did for Arizona basketball. But
Speaker 4: then to go back to your question, you look at
Speaker 4: the sean years. Unfortunately, after the FBI scandal hit and
Speaker 4: the type of player that was recruited immediately, you know,
Speaker 4: during that COVID year, you just looked at the talent
Speaker 4: level of those guys and it was not where it
Speaker 4: needed to be. The point guard play was not where
Speaker 4: it needed to be. You were getting some transfers early
Speaker 4: at that time that were maybe a step down. So
Speaker 4: I don't think you went into it thinking this was
Speaker 4: a great Arizona.
Speaker 2: Basketll So you're talking when since luth started forty eighty three,
Speaker 2: forty two, forty one years ago, Arizona has been very
Speaker 2: fortunate to have forty years pretty good basketball, forty.
Speaker 5: Years of relevancy in college basketball. Right.
Speaker 4: It might not been national championship level teams, and.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make you the blue blood, but it makes
Speaker 2: you a very good program.
Speaker 4: Oh and that to be able to have that sustainability
Speaker 4: for four decades, I agree with you when we talk
Speaker 4: blue bloods, it's the very elite of elite.
Speaker 5: I truly believe.
Speaker 4: When you look at all of what Arizona basketball has done,
Speaker 4: all the wins, the nca tournament runs, the NBA players
Speaker 4: that it produced, the high level talent, the home court
Speaker 4: winning streaks, the dominance of McHale. You look at that
Speaker 4: and the championships that have been won at the conference level,
Speaker 4: it's not it's not act like, that's not a feat.
Speaker 4: Those those are tough things to do in Arizona. To
Speaker 4: be consistently at that championship level at the conference, be
Speaker 4: at the Pac ten, Pac twelve, now Big twelve.
Speaker 5: You know Arizona is right on the edge. Yeah.
Speaker 2: With that on the good side, we'll go. Thank you
Speaker 2: Ryel for showing up. Anytime you don't want to go
Speaker 2: to work, just let me know I got some time come.
Speaker 5: Thanks for on. It was great to have you. Thank you,
Speaker 5: Thank you Kobe. We'll talk you guys tomorrow