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Speaker 3: You're listening to Transporter Room three with your hosts Phil
Speaker 3: Pirello and sok Laura Energize.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Transporter Room three. Mister Scott,
Speaker 2: how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good. Did you see that thing that with Shatner?
Speaker 1: I think it was pretty recent on Facebook or on
Speaker 1: social media where people were using well people used a
Speaker 1: I to to create an image of his parents or
Speaker 1: to take it or to take an image of his
Speaker 1: parents and doctorate or something. And he was none too
Speaker 1: pleased about it, rightfully, So I don't blame him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just saw it scrawling through my old person Facebook feed.
Speaker 1: I saw it real quick. I didn't really delve into
Speaker 1: Facebook feed. I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to look it up. That's fucked up, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a that's where it's all going, right,
Speaker 1: But that's kind of a weird one.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like have all the things to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so uh but yeah, that's that was the
Speaker 1: highlight of my week. How about you.
Speaker 2: The highlight of mine was watching the Center Seed documentary.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're really into that, right, I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm almost done. I've been watching in Spurts before Bed.
Speaker 2: I'm almost done with the final episode, which is a
Speaker 2: collection of various supporting actors throughout a show that have
Speaker 2: appeared in makeup and uh, I guess some of what
Speaker 2: they were allowed to take home or what they took home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: makeup wise, props wise, and some actors were told no,
Speaker 2: they can't take anything.
Speaker 1: Home, right, Yeah, don't you dare that what they left behind?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I assume what you did there? One actor,
Speaker 2: do you remember face of the Enemy, the Romulan who's.
Speaker 1: Helping Yeah, I could picture that that dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's played multiple Yes, he played what was it?
Speaker 1: He definitely played a Klingon also, I think at one point.
Speaker 2: And he played a Zindy and he played h that
Speaker 2: that Pursuits episode of d S nine season two, the
Speaker 2: reptilian looking guy that Obrian before Boss or.
Speaker 1: Something something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: That was that guy. Really, that was that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Captive pursuit. Is that the name of the pursuits?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it? Okay, and he he took home his
Speaker 2: Zindi make up. Oh wow, the full facial appliance.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know how we got that, wow.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: I tried to watch see if if that's the one
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of, maybe it's a different one I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1: There was one I tried to watch which was about
Speaker 1: the early days. The first episode was about early Trek,
Speaker 1: like the creation of Star Trek, and like I felt
Speaker 1: like it was like cutting too quickly, like the way
Speaker 1: it was edited like was making me nervous, and like
Speaker 1: I had to turn it off. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I need to go back to my old persons Facebook
Speaker 1: feed and just slowly scroll and look at cat videos.
Speaker 1: Is that does that sound like that? Would it have
Speaker 1: been the center seat or is that something else?
Speaker 2: I think that's something else?
Speaker 1: Okay, the center seat is it's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Talking heads with Gates McFadden narrating.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, okay, this was This was a while ago,
Speaker 1: so I can't even remember now. Gates McFadden's tied in
Speaker 1: with those. It's all made by the the Cell Company. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did a great job. Yeah, okay, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: have to I'll have to take a look. Cool. But
Speaker 1: this week we are here to finish out our DS
Speaker 1: nine discussion on the first three episodes of season two,
Speaker 1: The The Homecoming, The Circle, and today The Siege The Siege.
Speaker 1: But first, do you want to just talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the stuff that happened at New York Comic Con.
Speaker 1: It's a sort of annual pilgrimage that Star Trek Modern
Speaker 1: Star Trek goes to New York Comic Con. It seems
Speaker 1: like every year they do a panel, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: is in part because they're they're shooting up in Toronto
Speaker 1: most of these shows, and so it's a quick jaunt
Speaker 1: for them to come down. But it was it was
Speaker 1: mainly focused on Starfleet Academy, which now has a release date.
Speaker 1: It's January fifteenth, I think mid January.
Speaker 2: I thought it was the fifteenth of the sixteenth.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, something like that. And so they brought the
Speaker 1: whole cast on stage for that, and then they also
Speaker 1: showed some they showed a little they should have seen
Speaker 1: basically from Strangely World season four, which is already already
Speaker 1: shot and completed production. So what do you think of
Speaker 1: the of the And there was a new trailer for
Speaker 1: Starfleet Academy. What do you think of the footage that
Speaker 1: they released?
Speaker 2: I'm I wish I could get excited about it, but
Speaker 2: I hope to be proven wrong film.
Speaker 1: If wishes were horses were Let's see how many DS
Speaker 1: nine titles we can just work into the yeah? Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So my take on it is, so we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before, I guess, but like, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the trailer looks looks cool. But like what I'm having
Speaker 1: trouble getting my head around is how is this a
Speaker 1: weekly show?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Now? Like, how's this a weekly show without being Prodigy? Right?
Speaker 1: Because Prodigy already had the concept of young, you know,
Speaker 1: aspiring starf leaders on a ship on an adventure, right,
Speaker 1: And they did it in two different ways seas between
Speaker 1: seasons one and two. And by the way, if you
Speaker 1: guys have not listening, if you do not checked out
Speaker 1: Star Trek Prodigy because it's a kids show, you really
Speaker 1: should give me a chance. Get great, get through that
Speaker 1: first the first pilot, the pilot in the first couple
Speaker 1: episodes maybe and just dig in it just gets better
Speaker 1: and better. But anyway, but how is Starfleet Academy going
Speaker 1: to be about kids in school while also offering adventure
Speaker 1: of the week stuff? I mean, I don't know. Is
Speaker 1: that too? Is it stupid to ask that question?
Speaker 2: As you know, the school is a starship, right.
Speaker 1: Which I don't understand.
Speaker 2: So the school on more is itself from Earth to
Speaker 2: go do shit?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay, don't you don't you already have smaller starships for
Speaker 2: that function. This is my this is my eternal problem
Speaker 2: with this show. It's January fifteenth. By the way, Scott,
Speaker 2: you were correct. Star Trek is not a passive hour
Speaker 2: of television. No good TV is passive, right. It's boldly
Speaker 2: going where no man is going. It is one of
Speaker 2: the best ideas in the history I have ideas, not
Speaker 2: just television. Put people on a ship and every week
Speaker 2: you get a new mission that they go to. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it's brought to them, right, yeah, but they're actively trying
Speaker 2: to fix or solve. Learning is largely a reactive, passive activity.
Speaker 2: It's not cinematic at all. Yeah, the shit outside of
Speaker 2: it can be. So when I hear the showrunner address
Speaker 2: the bug that they've made the feature of their show
Speaker 2: without really acknowledging it's a fucking bug that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: learning isn't the most exciting thing. So our challenge to
Speaker 2: that note, basically I'm paraphrasing, is it's like being at
Speaker 2: a teaching hospital, right, m Yeah, it's like being at
Speaker 2: a teaching hospital where the patients come. The hospital doesn't
Speaker 2: lift off and go find people to apply medical care to.
Speaker 2: They have ambulances, they have helicopters, much like starfleet employees,
Speaker 2: shuttlecraft transporters and starships.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is like, it's inherently dangerous work
Speaker 1: also to write, so like.
Speaker 2: Risk the entire school, the entire curriculum go into space,
Speaker 2: so that so that students can learn how to survive
Speaker 2: X y Z or deal with or process or something.
Speaker 2: Have you seen your show? Are you familiar with the
Speaker 2: concept of a holiday right? Or or the simulator from
Speaker 2: the twenty third centuries Wrath of Khan?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're in a future where I can iron man
Speaker 2: summon any gadget. But you're telling me that the only
Speaker 2: way for these kids to learn how to potentially deal
Speaker 2: with a warp core breach or a first contact the
Speaker 2: alien civility civilization is for you to launch half of
Speaker 2: San Francisco's Starfleet Academy complex into space. I can't. I
Speaker 2: just there is no I will believe that we will
Speaker 2: be capable of faster in light travel and warp speed,
Speaker 2: and the border gonna come for my ass in a
Speaker 2: couple one hundred years before I will ever believe that
Speaker 2: a society as smart as that that composes Starfleet would go.
Speaker 2: You want to fly a school an entire college campus?
Speaker 1: Okay, come on, okay and rant, Having having said all that,
Speaker 1: we will I.
Speaker 2: Love the show. I can't wait for it.
Speaker 1: Obviously, we will reserve judgment until we see it.
Speaker 2: See now Scott knows, don't get a middle hed man
Speaker 2: fired up about a show he's never seen before. Now
Speaker 2: I am that Reddit thread I stand to read.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the Strange the World's clip
Speaker 1: scene or whatever?
Speaker 2: I wish I had more context for it, but I'm
Speaker 2: glad them doing some cool shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well they say something like, oh, you're finally,
Speaker 1: We're finally gonna You're finally I think they say to
Speaker 1: number one, like you're finally going to get a chance
Speaker 1: to go visit one of your strange new worlds or
Speaker 1: something like that, and I was like, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: did they actual read my review of last season? You know, like, like,
Speaker 1: because that's been my complaint for a while now, is
Speaker 1: that we haven't been getting enough of that. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's.
Speaker 2: Like Ian Malcolm in Drasca Park, you do plan to
Speaker 2: have some dinosaurs on the.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, Yeah, exactly, yeah, but yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: not much context, but you know, it always looks good, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the show always looks good. No, those clips are sometimes
Speaker 1: that stuff is designed to play in the room as
Speaker 1: much as it is anything else. Right, So you know,
Speaker 1: the people that at the Comic Con panel I'm sure
Speaker 1: went crazy for it.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure a big factor in preparing that clip
Speaker 2: is the v effects of it were stunning. It's very
Speaker 2: ooh and all like you want. Yeah, well people need
Speaker 2: to be who and I'm sure those effects had to
Speaker 2: be done sooner because I'm sure that was planned to
Speaker 2: be shown at.
Speaker 1: A con, right exactly. Yeah, So okay, that's it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's other little bit and pieces of
Speaker 1: collectible news and stuff. I can't keep track of the
Speaker 1: collectible stuff, Like we need to bring Ken over from
Speaker 1: Trek Corp. Soon to talk to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they look great.
Speaker 1: So which are the new ones? Because I wasn't That's
Speaker 1: why I can't keep track of They looked awesome, but
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: We gotta it was previously announced, but I think now
Speaker 2: they're reveil for pre order. You can get Valerius. Okay,
Speaker 2: you can get Carol Marcus. You can get that green
Speaker 2: alien from the animated series. That would separate, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the one for me is Shatner is Kirk from
Speaker 2: Generations with this little vests and you get a horse.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you get the Kitarian eggs.
Speaker 1: Yes, toast toast and that. But I also saw one
Speaker 1: that I didn't know about, which was just the picards
Speaker 1: little ships from for I think it's from the Enterprise
Speaker 1: D actually ships. Yeah, it looked like it's just the
Speaker 1: wall display with the ship. You should look look and
Speaker 1: see what it is. That's the thing. It seemed to
Speaker 1: me like it was that's the figure. Maybe like it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not. It doesn't come with a figure. It's just
Speaker 1: the ships.
Speaker 2: But I don't break in my brain right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, let me tell you at one point, you know,
Speaker 1: when I put this thing up on my wall, which
Speaker 1: nobody can see except you feel. But like I have that.
Speaker 1: I have my like giant like l cars, Master Control
Speaker 1: display whatever it's called, of the Enterprise up on my
Speaker 1: wall up here, which I spent way too much money on.
Speaker 2: And I backing if it brings your joy.
Speaker 1: Right, But at one point I was like, well, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put on the wall next to it, and
Speaker 1: I started exploring the idea of trying to buy or
Speaker 1: make a wall of the little ships, like oh well,
Speaker 1: but like it turned out like you can't really buy them,
Speaker 1: and to make it would have been a freaking pride.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. My wife would have killed me.
Speaker 1: So I didn't do it. But like I would love
Speaker 1: to be able to buy a full sized version of
Speaker 1: that me too. Did you find it? By the way,
Speaker 1: which one the little ships from the south?
Speaker 2: I'm looking, Okay, I don't I don't shoot?
Speaker 1: All right, maybe I'm crazy?
Speaker 2: Are you hallocining? There's a there's wharf from generations?
Speaker 1: Uh walk the plank in his cellar?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The the Valaris I think you got to get
Speaker 2: just because it comes with the boot and it comes
Speaker 2: with the mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1: I mean it comes with the mashed potatoes after she
Speaker 1: phasured the pot. So it's just the mashed potatoes with
Speaker 1: the mixer in it, right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it comes with the pot and the You
Speaker 2: also get Jordi in his sailor uniform. Carol Marcus comes
Speaker 2: with her jacket, and she comes with her viewing monitor
Speaker 2: from regular where she talks to check Off in Terrell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it has a picture of Terrell and check
Speaker 1: Off in the Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Great, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Touch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have Janeway from a year of hell
Speaker 2: and you get her chair, which is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: So let me let me this is happening live on
Speaker 1: the air. Let me send this to you. Phil, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: I just found it, Scott, did you see it there?
Speaker 2: Wave four?
Speaker 1: There it is? What then the Cell Team this is
Speaker 1: from Trek Corp. Where I'm looking at it in The
Speaker 1: Cell Team also showcase one of Captain Bokard's first first
Speaker 1: contact appropriate accessories, the wall of Golden Enterprise starships, which
Speaker 1: he destroys during his emotional conflict with Lily in the
Speaker 1: second half of the film. Yeah so, and then oh
Speaker 1: okay in the Wave four lineup that they I don't
Speaker 1: know if we knew this or not already, but I
Speaker 1: did not know this Cisco savag BEV Crusher from Herst's
Speaker 1: Sex Ghost episode data as a seller. I don't need
Speaker 1: these guys in their sailor uniforms, but whatever. David David Marcus,
Speaker 1: Jean Luke from First Contact, Captain John Harriman, Tom Parris
Speaker 1: as Coke, Captain Proton check Off from the Nuclear Vessels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so from the Mirror Universe, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, but I love that we're getting Picard
Speaker 2: First Contact in his without the vest on too. I'm
Speaker 2: guessing the vest will be an option.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean, and that's without the vest is
Speaker 1: when you then put him in front of the wall
Speaker 1: of his little ships, right, because that's but you know
Speaker 1: what they it should have a broken since they do
Speaker 1: all these accessories and stuff, it should have a broken
Speaker 1: little ship's option also right where he can be standing
Speaker 1: there holding the phaser rifle and the and the glass
Speaker 1: is broken and the little ships are hanging and stuff. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh that.
Speaker 2: Would be really cool. You broke your little ships.
Speaker 1: All right. So we were gonna talk about near Comic
Speaker 1: Con for two minutes, and now.
Speaker 2: Now we've nerded out, let's move let's move on.
Speaker 1: Two. You want to talk about the siege now.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's let's do it. I this is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite episodes as a kid when d S nine
Speaker 2: came out. It's the it's a riveting cat and mouse
Speaker 2: game on the station with the Bajoran security forces hunting
Speaker 2: down our our heroes who are basically die harding on
Speaker 2: their own station. Yeah, while uh Kira dusts off both
Speaker 2: uh small fighter and her revolutionary skills with DACKX.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pilot it made me think.
Speaker 1: Of v Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: it does have that feel. Yeah, and it's like it
Speaker 1: feels cheap enough, like the ship, like the ship that
Speaker 1: they find in the woods, uh that they're going to
Speaker 1: the cavern covered in spider Yeah, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: Universal Monster Movie spiderweb like this, you never for a
Speaker 1: second believe that those are real spider webs. And the
Speaker 1: ship does not look space worthy. When she closes the
Speaker 1: compartment on it, it was like, Jesus, you guys are going
Speaker 1: to get sucked out into the vacuum of space. This
Speaker 1: thing does not look like it can contain atmosphere. But like, I,
Speaker 1: you know, I had I enjoyed the episode. I've be't
Speaker 1: watched it in a while, but I have a couple
Speaker 1: of questions, Like, so the basically Franklin Jella's character is
Speaker 1: they've they've essentially they're taking over the government, right, is
Speaker 1: what's happening? Yeah, and he's kind of teaming up with Kai,
Speaker 1: with Vedic Wynn, who he's promising he'll make Kai when
Speaker 1: this all is said and done. But Cisco, and part
Speaker 1: of this is that they want everyone who's non Bijorn
Speaker 1: off DS nine because it's Bejor for Bijorin's that's what
Speaker 1: the Circles thing is, right, So what does Cisco? What
Speaker 1: is their plan exactly? And staying on board, they're just
Speaker 1: trying to get the word to them that the Kardassians
Speaker 1: are secretly providing the weapons to the Circle, I believe.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, that seems to be the vibe.
Speaker 1: It's a little weak. I feel like that plans a
Speaker 1: little weak because like, isn't there a little bit couldn't
Speaker 1: they issue a press release with the with the UH
Speaker 1: with the proof or something. Couldn't they like put it
Speaker 1: on like the Starflight News wire or like why why
Speaker 1: do they have to hide in the Bulkheads and play
Speaker 1: all these diehard games two to get this word out
Speaker 1: about Like it just seems to me like they could
Speaker 1: just go on TV and tell everyone about it.
Speaker 2: Like Scott, then we don't get fun stuff. Valid point?
Speaker 2: Are communications being jammed?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe that's what it is? Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Could be wrong.
Speaker 1: Is that why Kira and Dax? I mean, considering we
Speaker 1: both just watched the episode, we should probably know this,
Speaker 1: but i' like it's throwaway dialogue. Kira and Dax are
Speaker 1: trying to get to the to Bajor to like drop
Speaker 1: that info firsthand. That yeah, okay, all right, okay.
Speaker 2: And they have to do it before they're shot down.
Speaker 1: Okay. By the way, kra Breaks are hip in.
Speaker 2: This one, right, I'm so worried.
Speaker 1: Stephen Weber shows up with I guess right before he
Speaker 1: became a sitcom star. Right, he's like the bizarre and
Speaker 1: asshole military officer.
Speaker 2: He's so good. I was like, the guy from Wings
Speaker 2: is playing a villain?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was surprising, right, but I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: so that's the thing. I feel like this episode. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, but I didn't don't think I liked it
Speaker 1: quite as much as you did like I and this
Speaker 1: is maybe not fair, but like, wouldn't there be wouldn't
Speaker 1: like half the Bajorans who live on Deep Space nine,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they.
Speaker 2: I know where you're going with this.
Speaker 1: What wouldn't wouldn't they be on the side of Frank Langela, Like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they be pro circle? I'm just thinking, like the
Speaker 1: day the time. If anything we've learned right in the
Speaker 1: past ten years, is that half the people or a
Speaker 1: third of the people, whatever the number is, not everyone
Speaker 1: has a monolithic view of how the government and politics
Speaker 1: and stuff should work. And you would think and Langella
Speaker 1: beat his character you know, uh, what's his name? Uh?
Speaker 1: His first name is s O. I think ministers minister. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're only on the third episode talking about this, this guy,
Speaker 1: the Minister h Jarro Minister jar is his name s
Speaker 1: O Jarrow or am I making that? Okay? You know,
Speaker 1: he's such a skilled politician and a mover. You would
Speaker 1: think he'd be really good at manipulating some of the
Speaker 1: Pusjurn population. So it's just when they when it's decided
Speaker 1: that like, oh we have everyone who's not a Bajoran
Speaker 1: has to evacuate the station and then when the military
Speaker 1: Stephen Weber and like his boss, the general, come on board,
Speaker 1: you would think there'd be Bajorans still on board who
Speaker 1: lived on d S nine, who would be like, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, Captain Cisco or Commander Cisco and that
Speaker 1: and a bunch of his guys are all still on board,
Speaker 1: like right, you know, Like so that just seemed like
Speaker 1: and I understand they had to they had to wrap
Speaker 1: the storyline up in this episode, but I was kind
Speaker 1: of thinking like it might have maybe they could have
Speaker 1: accomplished that through the Stephen Weber character instead of just
Speaker 1: having this random military guy come on who's an asshole.
Speaker 1: Maybe it would have been one of one of those
Speaker 1: people on board. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they considered in terms of like
Speaker 2: the Bajoran population's reaction. I mean, they seem to quickly
Speaker 2: get off the station, right, yeah, but maybe if they
Speaker 2: even consider this in the story level, which I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a bason like you can't really show that
Speaker 2: many people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be yeah, and and then you know,
Speaker 1: it also could be like when you go back to
Speaker 1: the I think it was the season finale of season
Speaker 1: one O'Brien had that that assistant who was yeah, and
Speaker 1: she was on the other side, she was kind of
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. So maybe they felt like they
Speaker 1: had already they had just done that, so you know
Speaker 1: in which case like point while taken, I guess. So anyway,
Speaker 1: but the episode is it's fun, right, like they do
Speaker 1: like it's it's Cisco and and but Sheer and O'Brien, uh,
Speaker 1: crawling around in the in the Jeffrey's tubes and stuff,
Speaker 1: and the Quark is forced to hang around and they
Speaker 1: do all these little traps and stuff like like like
Speaker 1: at one point they lore Stephen Weber and his guys
Speaker 1: into the Holow deck, right, yeah, it's great. It's like
Speaker 1: not really there holograms of Cisco in the Holland right,
Speaker 1: the hollow suite, which is.
Speaker 2: What you would use in that situation if you had that,
Speaker 2: you would use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, uh, and you know, throwing smoke
Speaker 1: bombs around and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know, and Brian loves his mrs as they're hiding.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Brian who O'Brien who you know,
Speaker 1: spent way too much time on the front lines. I
Speaker 1: guess they're fighting the body cardis he loves his rations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and I also like that, Like I liked even
Speaker 1: though they don't really get much to do, the sort
Speaker 1: of no name starfleaders who hang who stick around and
Speaker 1: hang at hang around to support Cisco since the opening
Speaker 1: scene of the episode, the cold open and Cisco giving
Speaker 1: this speech to them, you don't the old you don't
Speaker 1: have to stay out. Nobody will judge you if you leave,
Speaker 1: which I feel like the subtext level that that is
Speaker 1: always everyone will judge you and call you a coward
Speaker 1: if you leave. But like all these people are standing
Speaker 1: around and they all I feel like the cat. A
Speaker 1: lot of times, Star Trek hasn't done a great job
Speaker 1: of casting these background extras. Sometimes they do a good job,
Speaker 1: sometimes not. But like these guys, they all, like some
Speaker 1: of them look pretty badass. A couple of them had
Speaker 1: cool Star Trek hairstyles. Yeah, I felt bam for the
Speaker 1: one guy who was like, you must have been about
Speaker 1: sixty two years old and he was only an ensign.
Speaker 2: Now, like, man, maybe he's just happy and where is that?
Speaker 2: Doesn't he got tapestry?
Speaker 1: Remind you know? Okay, I want to I want.
Speaker 2: An episode where those low level dudes are visited by
Speaker 2: like by like a Quan training, like you know, the
Speaker 2: DMV equivalent. Yeah, Hicham, I'm not gonna do all that
Speaker 2: flamboyant ship. That's a waste of life. Like, you gotta
Speaker 2: get your shit together, dude, or else you're gonna end
Speaker 2: up as a sixty two year old ensign on a station.
Speaker 1: Was even the thing that Cisco. Cisco's trying to cite
Speaker 1: examples of what, you know, the life these people have
Speaker 1: all built. And he's like the one the one star
Speaker 1: Fleet officers in gauge to a Bajoran now in the
Speaker 1: year since they took over. And then this guy, oh
Speaker 1: well yeah his kid did a science project with another
Speaker 1: with a Bajoran kid, And it's like, Cisco, that's not
Speaker 1: really the ties that bind Hey? Is that a deep
Speaker 1: Saxe nine episode title? The ties that.
Speaker 2: Is, look at you, Scott? Are you? Are you fretty
Speaker 2: and slipping for this whole thing? Maybe like what's going on?
Speaker 1: You know what, philm we should write our own Star
Speaker 1: Trek episode where like it's a poor Porson of a bitch.
Speaker 1: It's the opposite of Dharmack. Right, Eventually, all I can
Speaker 1: do is speak in Star Trek, right, Like but then you.
Speaker 2: Have the babbel you have babbled from from d S nine,
Speaker 2: but you only speak in Star Trek.
Speaker 4: Episode right, perfect, Uh, you're not in all the wrong places.
Speaker 1: Okay, So anyways, so how about some trivia. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: The Siege was the most demanding episode of this season
Speaker 2: in terms of special effects. Really, yeah, producer Gary Cute
Speaker 2: Soil the effects guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very big show.
Speaker 2: Gary says, it had an odo morph, it had miniature
Speaker 2: photography combined with live action, a big phaser battle and
Speaker 2: a flying dog fight to a lot of effects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: That dogfight was fun to put together though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I like Kira is like talking about how
Speaker 1: she keeps yelling, not yelling, but like kind of like
Speaker 1: taking tacks stacks to task for relying ois on computers
Speaker 1: and auto functions, and she's like, yo, we just got
Speaker 1: to fly by the seat of our pants. But I
Speaker 1: like the line she has where she's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the only problem is the guys who are chasing us
Speaker 1: in the air right now used to fly this type
Speaker 1: of a plane. Was They used to be resistant spiders,
Speaker 1: just like Kira, you know, which is I thought was
Speaker 1: kind of cool, you know, both sides in it a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: But speaking of the resistance fighter aspect of it. According
Speaker 2: to the Making of Star Trek Deep Space nine book,
Speaker 2: when they first received the script for the episode and
Speaker 2: read it, Terry Farrell contacted Nana, a visitor and said,
Speaker 2: my god, did you see what we have to do
Speaker 2: in the next episode? And she was impressed. Because we
Speaker 2: were shooting ten pages in two days on a ship
Speaker 2: called a Rider, which was a smaller version of a runabout.
Speaker 2: We knew we'd have a lot of added actions perform
Speaker 2: to try to learn our lines over external sound and
Speaker 2: all the other confusion in a small set would be.
Speaker 1: Hard, right, Yeah about that? Ten days? Wow, ten ten
Speaker 1: pages and two days. That's insane, right, insane to learn
Speaker 1: all that had to Like Dax in the nose in
Speaker 1: the Bajara nose, I thought was cool.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a nice touch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a subtle touch. I'm sorry not
Speaker 1: to keep cutting you off. I think when we talked
Speaker 1: about this a couple episodes ago, I was misremembering. I
Speaker 1: remembered them flying the plane in the Vedic costumes for
Speaker 1: some reason. Oh really, And I was I was right
Speaker 1: that they put the vetic costumes in Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't know why I remember remembered it that way. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Mendel affected you were very polite. You very were You
Speaker 1: were very polite when you said, oh, yeah, really, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think that's what they had on in
Speaker 1: the ships, but maybe I'm wrong. So thank you for
Speaker 1: being so polite even though you absolutely knew I was wrong.
Speaker 2: I take care of you, Scott. I also love since
Speaker 2: we're talking about the ships in the cave, the placu as.
Speaker 2: As Dak says, here's how that little guy came about.
Speaker 2: According to uh the effects guy, Joe Longo, the effects
Speaker 2: guy found that he was going to buy a garage
Speaker 2: sale and he got it for about two bucks. It
Speaker 2: wasn't Harry at the time. It was a plastic spider
Speaker 2: and mechanical, and it wasn't scary or ugly enough, just big.
Speaker 2: But it was exactly what I needed, so I got
Speaker 2: it from him. I took it out to the special
Speaker 2: effects shop and had them motor motor in, had them
Speaker 2: put a motor in it with a remote, and then
Speaker 2: I took it over to Michael Westmore and had him
Speaker 2: put all the hair on it. And its teeth. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't recall we ever see the front of that thing.
Speaker 1: You see it back.
Speaker 2: They got away to it real quick. The funny thing was,
Speaker 2: is I remember that when we brought it up to
Speaker 2: mister Burman, he looked at it and he liked it.
Speaker 2: I showed him how it moved the remote, but it
Speaker 2: was really slow. He said he'd like to see it
Speaker 2: move much faster. So I sent it back out to
Speaker 2: the shop and had them put a heavier motor in it,
Speaker 2: and then I brought it back up for Rick to
Speaker 2: look at again. When I got there, I had the
Speaker 2: secretary open the door for me, and I had the
Speaker 2: spider run into the room on its own. They all
Speaker 2: did double takes and really liked it. You only see
Speaker 2: it real quickly in the show because if you spend
Speaker 2: any amount of time on it, you can tell exactly
Speaker 2: what it is. That was propmaster Joe Long.
Speaker 1: I think I had a sense of what it was,
Speaker 1: even with a little bit bit of time that we
Speaker 1: spent on it, right, And then they have a fun
Speaker 1: line find a fun exchange about oh did you keep
Speaker 1: keep these as pets? I guess, and Kira is like, no,
Speaker 1: we used to eat them eat it so crazy.
Speaker 2: But I dig this episode. Uh, Scott, you raised some
Speaker 2: good points about it.
Speaker 1: One other thing, not to be nippiggy, because I did
Speaker 1: enjoy it, but like, and this is I'm sure a
Speaker 1: function of budget, which often came up with Odo. But
Speaker 1: Odo could could single handedly have taken all those bajorns out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you could just turn into a bear.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah, And you know, I think I think
Speaker 1: he gets a couple of effects. He turns into a
Speaker 1: trip line and he and he melt melts into the
Speaker 1: wa all at one point. But that's kind of it.
Speaker 1: They couldn't afford to do stuff like that with Oly,
Speaker 1: you know, So.
Speaker 2: Turn into that giant mister fantastic arm Yes up, yeah,
Speaker 2: roll them into the grates of the promenade. Done.
Speaker 1: Yes. I like the I I also like how it
Speaker 1: sort of ends with the Minister Jarrow, again being the
Speaker 1: consummate politician, saying, you know, I fully support an investigation
Speaker 1: into this. When the information is finally released that the
Speaker 1: Kato supporting supplying the weapons, I fully supported an investigation
Speaker 1: like he has none he has. That's what they have
Speaker 1: to do at that moment, and we never find out.
Speaker 1: I don't think what happens to him, like you never
Speaker 1: hear about him again after this, He probably you never
Speaker 1: see him again.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope you got some come upp ins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, but then again, you look at
Speaker 1: how how ship works these days, and so yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not so sure. So, but uh, I like that he
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't get killed. He didn't you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't It didn't have to be some like you know,
Speaker 1: dramatic gunfight with him like that was not what his
Speaker 1: character ever was, you know. So so yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: a good episode. I think for my money, it's maybe
Speaker 1: my least favorite of the three though, which is how
Speaker 1: I always remembered them. But what about you, do you have.
Speaker 2: A favorite or the middle chapter is my favorite?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, the Circle, Okay, I just love the I
Speaker 1: love the the breakout, the prison break in the first episode.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great too, you know, and all I
Speaker 2: don't think like there's one particular like I don't think
Speaker 2: all three of them has a particular stand out like great, great,
Speaker 2: great episode. You know, I think they all work together
Speaker 2: as that trifecta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think I think you're right. That's that's fair. Yeah, so, uh,
Speaker 1: I love how.
Speaker 2: It kickstarted the trend of doing big three parters. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: like Enterprise the next one? Would it be until Enterprise?
Speaker 1: Okay? With the augments right where they started doing many
Speaker 1: mini runs in in that last season? I guess it
Speaker 1: was right? Yeah right? Speaking of Enterprise real quick, Like
Speaker 1: I mentioned this on the discord, but uh uh the
Speaker 1: shuttle Pod one or whatever the fuck? It's what is
Speaker 1: the what's the podcast that those guys do? Connor Treneer
Speaker 1: and uh the dcon Chamber, The dcon Chamber, they just
Speaker 1: did a an episode about shuttle Pod one. I guess
Speaker 1: that's the episode where they're they're stranded, right, and they
Speaker 1: brought Berman and uh, Bronn and Braga on to talk
Speaker 1: for like an hour about the episode and about and
Speaker 1: just about Enterprise in general. So it's a really interesting watch.
Speaker 1: I would I wish we could get Rick Berman on on.
Speaker 2: I've been working on it. I will work harder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got so many interesting stories and an interesting
Speaker 1: perspective that isn't often shared. You know, it's easy to
Speaker 1: hate on Rick Berman. Uh, fandom does that a lot.
Speaker 1: But it's like this guy was he kept the ship
Speaker 1: going for so long, you know, you know, so Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know any final thoughts on this one.
Speaker 2: I just hope uh everyone likes it. I just want
Speaker 2: liked as much as we didn't. If you have any
Speaker 2: uh comments about it, please let us know what are
Speaker 2: your favorite moments from it? What worked for you, what
Speaker 2: didn't work better, what could have worked better? And also
Speaker 2: did anyone else catch that vitag Burrell's name is once
Speaker 2: again misspelled in.
Speaker 1: The Come on guys, get it together? Man? What the heck?
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, he's that character was always weak,
Speaker 1: right because he did they bring him into this one,
Speaker 1: and he's seemingly gonna, you know, help them. I mean
Speaker 1: he does help them, but like he has, he leaves
Speaker 1: no impact imprint. He has no impact on things, right,
Speaker 1: He's a plot device, you know. But let's go to
Speaker 1: the Why don't we go to the red shirt to
Speaker 1: finish up the chat on this one?
Speaker 3: Attention all crew, please don your dress uniforms and prepare
Speaker 3: the photon torpedo coffins. It's time for the Red Shirt
Speaker 3: of the week.
Speaker 2: It's an extended red shirt. Mister Leigh Knollys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Richard bimer I wish.
Speaker 2: He died a more. I wish the character was serviced
Speaker 2: in a way where his death impacted more. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: wish the actor. I wish Irabear's concerns about the performance
Speaker 2: was alleviated. But it does work within the narrative, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he has to go the way he goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they set it up like Cisco and him
Speaker 1: have a they have a chat earlier in the episode
Speaker 1: where he's like, you know, it would be the easy
Speaker 1: that would be the easy way for you to go
Speaker 1: is to just take take a to take a shot
Speaker 1: to the gun and go out. But what what what
Speaker 1: Beijo needs is for you to stand up and do
Speaker 1: the right thing, and which he and which he does,
Speaker 1: he does do And then they even when after he
Speaker 1: gets shot by Stephen Weber, actually, uh, they referenced it.
Speaker 1: They loop it back around and they referenced it, and
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, it turns out I got I got
Speaker 1: to take the easy wow out way out after all
Speaker 1: or whatever is something to that effect which works, you know.
Speaker 1: But but but I agree, I didn't. I didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: really feel for Lee Knallis in any real way. Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't yeah, it wasn't like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of a supporting player who like the Bajorin,
Speaker 1: the young Bajoran who died on Next Generation, remember her
Speaker 1: when she went on that so covert mission, Like that
Speaker 1: was such a gut punch, right.
Speaker 2: Or really nailed you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Strike?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, or like.
Speaker 2: Strike it was lower decks sorry.
Speaker 1: Lower lower decks, that's right, yeah, Or you know Rachel
Speaker 1: Garrett or or uh the other Rachel Garrett's first officer,
Speaker 1: what's what's the character's name? Castillo and Yesterda's enterprise, Like
Speaker 1: you don't see him die, but you know he's going
Speaker 1: to die. You know, there's character, there's characters who come
Speaker 1: in for a very brief time and you feel the impact.
Speaker 1: And as much as I like Richard Bimer and I
Speaker 1: like Lee Knallis, I don't know that I necessarily miss him.
Speaker 1: At the end of the episode. It just kind of
Speaker 1: feels like almost like business that had to be kind
Speaker 1: of cleaned up to move on to the next next
Speaker 1: week's segment, you know, so, which is a shame. But
Speaker 1: that goes back to what Iris, Stephen Burr and some
Speaker 1: of the other writers said about how they never quite
Speaker 1: felt that that character worked the way they wanted it
Speaker 1: to too. Okay, well, I guess that's kind of it, Phil,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you guys have joined us for this
Speaker 2: three parter. We'll be back with either a big review
Speaker 2: of a special episode or a commentary for one.
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