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<v Speaker 1>Report to Transporter Room three.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Brian, here, I need you in Transporter Room three.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Captain. Meet me in Transporter Room three.

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<v Speaker 1>Join us in Transporter Room three. Captain. We're heading for

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<v Speaker 1>Transporter Room three. This is your favorite transport room, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Transporter Room three with your hosts Phil

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<v Speaker 3>Pirello and sok Laura Energize.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to another episode of Transporter Room three. Mister Scott,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. Did you see that thing that with Shatner?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was pretty recent on Facebook or on

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<v Speaker 1>social media where people were using well people used a

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<v Speaker 1>I to to create an image of his parents or

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<v Speaker 1>to take it or to take an image of his

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<v Speaker 1>parents and doctorate or something. And he was none too

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<v Speaker 1>pleased about it, rightfully, So I don't blame him. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw it scrawling through my old person Facebook feed.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it real quick. I didn't really delve into

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook feed. I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to look it up. That's fucked up, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is a that's where it's all going, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's kind of a weird one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like have all the things to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so uh but yeah, that's that was the

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<v Speaker 1>highlight of my week. How about you.

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<v Speaker 2>The highlight of mine was watching the Center Seed documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you're really into that, right, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost done. I've been watching in Spurts before Bed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost done with the final episode, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>collection of various supporting actors throughout a show that have

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<v Speaker 2>appeared in makeup and uh, I guess some of what

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<v Speaker 2>they were allowed to take home or what they took home. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>makeup wise, props wise, and some actors were told no,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't take anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Home, right, Yeah, don't you dare that what they left behind?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, I assume what you did there? One actor,

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember face of the Enemy, the Romulan who's.

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<v Speaker 1>Helping Yeah, I could picture that that dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's played multiple Yes, he played what was it?

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely played a Klingon also, I think at one point.

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<v Speaker 2>And he played a Zindy and he played h that

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<v Speaker 2>that Pursuits episode of d S nine season two, the

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<v Speaker 2>reptilian looking guy that Obrian before Boss or.

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<v Speaker 1>Something something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that guy. Really, that was that guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Captive pursuit. Is that the name of the pursuits?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it? Okay, and he he took home his

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<v Speaker 2>Zindi make up. Oh wow, the full facial appliance.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't know how we got that, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I highly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to watch see if if that's the one

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of, maybe it's a different one I'm thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one I tried to watch which was about

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<v Speaker 1>the early days. The first episode was about early Trek,

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<v Speaker 1>like the creation of Star Trek, and like I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like it was like cutting too quickly, like the way

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<v Speaker 1>it was edited like was making me nervous, and like

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<v Speaker 1>I had to turn it off. I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to go back to my old persons Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>feed and just slowly scroll and look at cat videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that does that sound like that? Would it have

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<v Speaker 1>been the center seat or is that something else?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's something else?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the center seat is it's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking heads with Gates McFadden narrating.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, okay, this was This was a while ago,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't even remember now. Gates McFadden's tied in

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<v Speaker 1>with those. It's all made by the the Cell Company. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they did a great job. Yeah, okay, all right, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to I'll have to take a look. Cool. But

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<v Speaker 1>this week we are here to finish out our DS

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<v Speaker 1>The The Homecoming, The Circle, and today The Siege The Siege.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, do you want to just talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the stuff that happened at New York Comic Con.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sort of annual pilgrimage that Star Trek Modern

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<v Speaker 1>like every year they do a panel, which I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>is in part because they're they're shooting up in Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>most of these shows, and so it's a quick jaunt

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<v Speaker 1>for them to come down. But it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>mainly focused on Starfleet Academy, which now has a release date.

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<v Speaker 1>It's January fifteenth, I think mid January.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was the fifteenth of the sixteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, something like that. And so they brought the

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<v Speaker 1>whole cast on stage for that, and then they also

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<v Speaker 1>showed some they showed a little they should have seen

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<v Speaker 1>basically from Strangely World season four, which is already already

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<v Speaker 1>shot and completed production. So what do you think of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the And there was a new trailer for

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<v Speaker 1>Starfleet Academy. What do you think of the footage that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I wish I could get excited about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I hope to be proven wrong film.

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<v Speaker 1>If wishes were horses were Let's see how many DS

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<v Speaker 1>nine titles we can just work into the yeah? Uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So my take on it is, so we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before, I guess, but like, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the trailer looks looks cool. But like what I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>trouble getting my head around is how is this a

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<v Speaker 1>weekly show?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Like, how's this a weekly show without being Prodigy? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Because Prodigy already had the concept of young, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>aspiring starf leaders on a ship on an adventure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And they did it in two different ways seas between

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<v Speaker 1>seasons one and two. And by the way, if you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have not listening, if you do not checked out

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek Prodigy because it's a kids show, you really

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<v Speaker 1>should give me a chance. Get great, get through that

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<v Speaker 1>first the first pilot, the pilot in the first couple

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<v Speaker 1>episodes maybe and just dig in it just gets better

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<v Speaker 1>and better. But anyway, but how is Starfleet Academy going

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<v Speaker 1>to be about kids in school while also offering adventure

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<v Speaker 1>of the week stuff? I mean, I don't know. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that too? Is it stupid to ask that question?

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, the school is a starship, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So the school on more is itself from Earth to

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<v Speaker 2>go do shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, don't you don't you already have smaller starships for

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<v Speaker 2>that function. This is my this is my eternal problem

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<v Speaker 2>with this show. It's January fifteenth. By the way, Scott,

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<v Speaker 2>you were correct. Star Trek is not a passive hour

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<v Speaker 2>of television. No good TV is passive, right. It's boldly

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<v Speaker 2>going where no man is going. It is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best ideas in the history I have ideas, not

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<v Speaker 2>just television. Put people on a ship and every week

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<v Speaker 2>you get a new mission that they go to. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it's brought to them, right, yeah, but they're actively trying

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<v Speaker 2>to fix or solve. Learning is largely a reactive, passive activity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not cinematic at all. Yeah, the shit outside of

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<v Speaker 2>it can be. So when I hear the showrunner address

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<v Speaker 2>the bug that they've made the feature of their show

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<v Speaker 2>without really acknowledging it's a fucking bug that. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>learning isn't the most exciting thing. So our challenge to

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<v Speaker 2>that note, basically I'm paraphrasing, is it's like being at

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<v Speaker 2>a teaching hospital, right, m Yeah, it's like being at

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<v Speaker 2>a teaching hospital where the patients come. The hospital doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>lift off and go find people to apply medical care to.

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<v Speaker 2>They have ambulances, they have helicopters, much like starfleet employees,

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<v Speaker 2>shuttlecraft transporters and starships.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the other thing is like, it's inherently dangerous work

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<v Speaker 1>also to write, so like.

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<v Speaker 2>Risk the entire school, the entire curriculum go into space,

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<v Speaker 2>so that so that students can learn how to survive

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<v Speaker 2>X y Z or deal with or process or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen your show? Are you familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of a holiday right? Or or the simulator from

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty third centuries Wrath of Khan?

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're in a future where I can iron man

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<v Speaker 2>summon any gadget. But you're telling me that the only

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<v Speaker 2>way for these kids to learn how to potentially deal

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<v Speaker 2>with a warp core breach or a first contact the

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<v Speaker 2>alien civility civilization is for you to launch half of

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco's Starfleet Academy complex into space. I can't. I

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<v Speaker 2>just there is no I will believe that we will

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<v Speaker 2>be capable of faster in light travel and warp speed,

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<v Speaker 2>and the border gonna come for my ass in a

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<v Speaker 2>couple one hundred years before I will ever believe that

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<v Speaker 2>a society as smart as that that composes Starfleet would go.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to fly a school an entire college campus?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, come on, okay and rant, Having having said all that,

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<v Speaker 1>we will I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love the show. I can't wait for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, we will reserve judgment until we see it.

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<v Speaker 2>See now Scott knows, don't get a middle hed man

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<v Speaker 2>fired up about a show he's never seen before. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I am that Reddit thread I stand to read.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the Strange the World's clip

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<v Speaker 1>scene or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had more context for it, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad them doing some cool shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, Well they say something like, oh, you're finally,

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<v Speaker 1>We're finally gonna You're finally I think they say to

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<v Speaker 1>number one, like you're finally going to get a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to go visit one of your strange new worlds or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, and I was like, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>did they actual read my review of last season? You know, like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's been my complaint for a while now, is

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<v Speaker 1>that we haven't been getting enough of that. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Ian Malcolm in Drasca Park, you do plan to

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<v Speaker 2>have some dinosaurs on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, Yeah, exactly, yeah, but yeah, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>not much context, but you know, it always looks good, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the show always looks good. No, those clips are sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff is designed to play in the room as

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<v Speaker 1>much as it is anything else. Right, So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the people that at the Comic Con panel I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>went crazy for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure a big factor in preparing that clip

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<v Speaker 2>is the v effects of it were stunning. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>ooh and all like you want. Yeah, well people need

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<v Speaker 2>to be who and I'm sure those effects had to

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<v Speaker 2>be done sooner because I'm sure that was planned to

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<v Speaker 2>be shown at.

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<v Speaker 1>A con, right exactly. Yeah, So okay, that's it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there's other little bit and pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>collectible news and stuff. I can't keep track of the

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<v Speaker 1>collectible stuff, Like we need to bring Ken over from

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<v Speaker 1>Trek Corp. Soon to talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they look great.

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<v Speaker 1>So which are the new ones? Because I wasn't That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I can't keep track of They looked awesome, but

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta it was previously announced, but I think now

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<v Speaker 2>they're reveil for pre order. You can get Valerius. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get Carol Marcus. You can get that green

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<v Speaker 2>alien from the animated series. That would separate, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Generations with this little vests and you get a horse.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you get the Kitarian eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>D actually ships. Yeah, it looked like it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>that me too. Did you find it? By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>just because it comes with the boot and it comes

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it comes with the pot and the You

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<v Speaker 2>also get Jordi in his sailor uniform. Carol Marcus comes

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<v Speaker 2>from regular where she talks to check Off in Terrell.

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<v Speaker 1>Off in the Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you have Janeway from a year of hell

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<v Speaker 2>and you get her chair, which is fucking awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me let me this is happening live on

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<v Speaker 1>the air. Let me send this to you. Phil, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>I just found it, Scott, did you see it there?

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<v Speaker 2>Wave four?

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<v Speaker 1>There it is? What then the Cell Team this is

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<v Speaker 1>from Trek Corp. Where I'm looking at it in The

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<v Speaker 1>Cell Team also showcase one of Captain Bokard's first first

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<v Speaker 1>contact appropriate accessories, the wall of Golden Enterprise starships, which

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<v Speaker 1>he destroys during his emotional conflict with Lily in the

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<v Speaker 1>second half of the film. Yeah so, and then oh

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<v Speaker 1>know if we knew this or not already, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did not know this Cisco savag BEV Crusher from Herst's

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<v Speaker 1>these guys in their sailor uniforms, but whatever. David David Marcus,

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Luke from First Contact, Captain John Harriman, Tom Parris

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<v Speaker 1>as Coke, Captain Proton check Off from the Nuclear Vessels. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so from the Mirror Universe, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, Yeah, but I love that we're getting Picard

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<v Speaker 2>First Contact in his without the vest on too. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>guessing the vest will be an option.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I mean, and that's without the vest is

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<v Speaker 1>when you then put him in front of the wall

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<v Speaker 1>of his little ships, right, because that's but you know

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<v Speaker 1>what they it should have a broken since they do

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<v Speaker 1>all these accessories and stuff, it should have a broken

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<v Speaker 1>little ship's option also right where he can be standing

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<v Speaker 1>there holding the phaser rifle and the and the glass

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<v Speaker 1>is broken and the little ships are hanging and stuff. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be really cool. You broke your little ships.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So we were gonna talk about near Comic

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<v Speaker 1>Con for two minutes, and now.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've nerded out, let's move let's move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Two. You want to talk about the siege now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, let's let's do it. I this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite episodes as a kid when d S nine

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<v Speaker 2>came out. It's the it's a riveting cat and mouse

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<v Speaker 2>game on the station with the Bajoran security forces hunting

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<v Speaker 2>down our our heroes who are basically die harding on

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<v Speaker 2>their own station. Yeah, while uh Kira dusts off both

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<v Speaker 2>uh small fighter and her revolutionary skills with DACKX.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the pilot it made me think.

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<v Speaker 1>Of v Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, it has

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<v Speaker 1>it does have that feel. Yeah, and it's like it

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<v Speaker 1>feels cheap enough, like the ship, like the ship that

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<v Speaker 1>they find in the woods, uh that they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>the cavern covered in spider Yeah, it's like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>Universal Monster Movie spiderweb like this, you never for a

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<v Speaker 1>second believe that those are real spider webs. And the

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<v Speaker 1>ship does not look space worthy. When she closes the

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<v Speaker 1>compartment on it, it was like, Jesus, you guys are going

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<v Speaker 1>to get sucked out into the vacuum of space. This

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<v Speaker 1>thing does not look like it can contain atmosphere. But like, I,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had I enjoyed the episode. I've be't

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<v Speaker 1>watched it in a while, but I have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of questions, Like, so the basically Franklin Jella's character is

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<v Speaker 1>they've they've essentially they're taking over the government, right, is

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening? Yeah, and he's kind of teaming up with Kai,

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<v Speaker 1>with Vedic Wynn, who he's promising he'll make Kai when

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<v Speaker 1>this all is said and done. But Cisco, and part

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<v Speaker 1>of this is that they want everyone who's non Bijorn

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<v Speaker 1>off DS nine because it's Bejor for Bijorin's that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the Circles thing is, right, So what does Cisco? What

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<v Speaker 1>is their plan exactly? And staying on board, they're just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get the word to them that the Kardassians

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<v Speaker 1>are secretly providing the weapons to the Circle, I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, that seems to be the vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little weak. I feel like that plans a

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<v Speaker 1>little weak because like, isn't there a little bit couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>they issue a press release with the with the UH

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<v Speaker 1>with the proof or something. Couldn't they like put it

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<v Speaker 1>on like the Starflight News wire or like why why

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<v Speaker 1>do they have to hide in the Bulkheads and play

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<v Speaker 1>all these diehard games two to get this word out

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<v Speaker 1>about Like it just seems to me like they could

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<v Speaker 1>just go on TV and tell everyone about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Scott, then we don't get fun stuff. Valid point?

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<v Speaker 2>Are communications being jammed?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, maybe that's what it is? Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that why Kira and Dax? I mean, considering we

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<v Speaker 1>both just watched the episode, we should probably know this,

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<v Speaker 1>but i' like it's throwaway dialogue. Kira and Dax are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get to the to Bajor to like drop

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<v Speaker 1>that info firsthand. That yeah, okay, all right, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have to do it before they're shot down.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. By the way, kra Breaks are hip in.

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<v Speaker 2>This one, right, I'm so worried.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Weber shows up with I guess right before he

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<v Speaker 1>became a sitcom star. Right, he's like the bizarre and

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<v Speaker 1>asshole military officer.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so good. I was like, the guy from Wings

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<v Speaker 2>is playing a villain?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was surprising, right, but I was thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the thing. I feel like this episode. I

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it, but I didn't don't think I liked it

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<v Speaker 1>quite as much as you did like I and this

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<v Speaker 1>is maybe not fair, but like, wouldn't there be wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>like half the Bajorans who live on Deep Space nine,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't they.

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<v Speaker 2>I know where you're going with this.

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<v Speaker 1>What wouldn't wouldn't they be on the side of Frank Langela, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't they be pro circle? I'm just thinking, like the

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<v Speaker 1>day the time. If anything we've learned right in the

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<v Speaker 1>past ten years, is that half the people or a

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<v Speaker 1>third of the people, whatever the number is, not everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has a monolithic view of how the government and politics

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff should work. And you would think and Langella

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<v Speaker 1>beat his character you know, uh, what's his name? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>His first name is s O. I think ministers minister. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're only on the third episode talking about this, this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the Minister h Jarro Minister jar is his name s

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<v Speaker 1>O Jarrow or am I making that? Okay? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's such a skilled politician and a mover. You would

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<v Speaker 1>think he'd be really good at manipulating some of the

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<v Speaker 1>Pusjurn population. So it's just when they when it's decided

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<v Speaker 1>that like, oh we have everyone who's not a Bajoran

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<v Speaker 1>has to evacuate the station and then when the military

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Weber and like his boss, the general, come on board,

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<v Speaker 1>you would think there'd be Bajorans still on board who

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<v Speaker 1>lived on d S nine, who would be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Captain Cisco or Commander Cisco and that

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<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of his guys are all still on board,

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<v Speaker 1>like right, you know, Like so that just seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>and I understand they had to they had to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>the storyline up in this episode, but I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking like it might have maybe they could have

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<v Speaker 1>accomplished that through the Stephen Weber character instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>having this random military guy come on who's an asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it would have been one of one of those

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<v Speaker 1>people on board. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they considered in terms of like

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<v Speaker 2>the Bajoran population's reaction. I mean, they seem to quickly

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<v Speaker 2>get off the station, right, yeah, but maybe if they

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<v Speaker 2>even consider this in the story level, which I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's a bason like you can't really show that

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<v Speaker 2>many people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could be yeah, and and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it also could be like when you go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the I think it was the season finale of season

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<v Speaker 1>one O'Brien had that that assistant who was yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was on the other side, she was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. So maybe they felt like they

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<v Speaker 1>had already they had just done that, so you know

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<v Speaker 1>in which case like point while taken, I guess. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but the episode is it's fun, right, like they do

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<v Speaker 1>like it's it's Cisco and and but Sheer and O'Brien, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>crawling around in the in the Jeffrey's tubes and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Quark is forced to hang around and they

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<v Speaker 1>do all these little traps and stuff like like like

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<v Speaker 1>at one point they lore Stephen Weber and his guys

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<v Speaker 1>into the Holow deck, right, yeah, it's great. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>not really there holograms of Cisco in the Holland right,

421
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<v Speaker 1>the hollow suite, which is.

422
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<v Speaker 2>What you would use in that situation if you had that,

423
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<v Speaker 2>you would use it.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, uh, and you know, throwing smoke

425
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:10.880
<v Speaker 1>bombs around and stuff like that.

426
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<v Speaker 2>You know, and Brian loves his mrs as they're hiding.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Brian who O'Brien who you know,

428
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<v Speaker 1>spent way too much time on the front lines. I

429
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<v Speaker 1>guess they're fighting the body cardis he loves his rations. Yeah,

430
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<v Speaker 1>and and I also like that, Like I liked even

431
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<v Speaker 1>though they don't really get much to do, the sort

432
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<v Speaker 1>of no name starfleaders who hang who stick around and

433
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<v Speaker 1>hang at hang around to support Cisco since the opening

434
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<v Speaker 1>scene of the episode, the cold open and Cisco giving

435
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<v Speaker 1>this speech to them, you don't the old you don't

436
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<v Speaker 1>have to stay out. Nobody will judge you if you leave,

437
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<v Speaker 1>which I feel like the subtext level that that is

438
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.880
<v Speaker 1>always everyone will judge you and call you a coward

439
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<v Speaker 1>if you leave. But like all these people are standing

440
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<v Speaker 1>around and they all I feel like the cat. A

441
00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.839
<v Speaker 1>lot of times, Star Trek hasn't done a great job

442
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<v Speaker 1>of casting these background extras. Sometimes they do a good job,

443
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:06.759
<v Speaker 1>sometimes not. But like these guys, they all, like some

444
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<v Speaker 1>of them look pretty badass. A couple of them had

445
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<v Speaker 1>cool Star Trek hairstyles. Yeah, I felt bam for the

446
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.279
<v Speaker 1>one guy who was like, you must have been about

447
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 1>sixty two years old and he was only an ensign.

448
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Now, like, man, maybe he's just happy and where is that?

449
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't he got tapestry?

450
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Remind you know? Okay, I want to I want.

451
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<v Speaker 2>An episode where those low level dudes are visited by

452
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<v Speaker 2>like by like a Quan training, like you know, the

453
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.599
<v Speaker 2>DMV equivalent. Yeah, Hicham, I'm not gonna do all that

454
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>flamboyant ship. That's a waste of life. Like, you gotta

455
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>get your shit together, dude, or else you're gonna end

456
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<v Speaker 2>up as a sixty two year old ensign on a station.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Was even the thing that Cisco. Cisco's trying to cite

458
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<v Speaker 1>examples of what, you know, the life these people have

459
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<v Speaker 1>all built. And he's like the one the one star

460
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<v Speaker 1>Fleet officers in gauge to a Bajoran now in the

461
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>year since they took over. And then this guy, oh

462
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>well yeah his kid did a science project with another

463
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:12.920
<v Speaker 1>with a Bajoran kid, And it's like, Cisco, that's not

464
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>really the ties that bind Hey? Is that a deep

465
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Saxe nine episode title? The ties that.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Is, look at you, Scott? Are you? Are you fretty

467
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.599
<v Speaker 2>and slipping for this whole thing? Maybe like what's going on?

468
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<v Speaker 1>You know what, philm we should write our own Star

469
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Trek episode where like it's a poor Porson of a bitch.

470
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.240
<v Speaker 1>It's the opposite of Dharmack. Right, Eventually, all I can

471
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 1>do is speak in Star Trek, right, Like but then you.

472
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Have the babbel you have babbled from from d S nine,

473
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 2>but you only speak in Star Trek.

474
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<v Speaker 4>Episode right, perfect, Uh, you're not in all the wrong places.

475
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So anyways, so how about some trivia. Yeah, let's

476
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<v Speaker 1>do it.

477
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>The Siege was the most demanding episode of this season

478
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>in terms of special effects. Really, yeah, producer Gary Cute

479
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Soil the effects guy.

480
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a very big show.

481
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Gary says, it had an odo morph, it had miniature

482
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.039
<v Speaker 2>photography combined with live action, a big phaser battle and

483
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a flying dog fight to a lot of effects.

484
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

485
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 2>That dogfight was fun to put together though.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I like Kira is like talking about how

487
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 1>she keeps yelling, not yelling, but like kind of like

488
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:46.079
<v Speaker 1>taking tacks stacks to task for relying ois on computers

489
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and auto functions, and she's like, yo, we just got

490
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to fly by the seat of our pants. But I

491
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>like the line she has where she's like, yeah, you know,

492
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the only problem is the guys who are chasing us

493
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>in the air right now used to fly this type

494
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.160
<v Speaker 1>of a plane. Was They used to be resistant spiders,

495
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>just like Kira, you know, which is I thought was

496
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of cool, you know, both sides in it a

497
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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

498
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<v Speaker 2>But speaking of the resistance fighter aspect of it. According

499
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<v Speaker 2>to the Making of Star Trek Deep Space nine book,

500
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 2>when they first received the script for the episode and

501
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>read it, Terry Farrell contacted Nana, a visitor and said,

502
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<v Speaker 2>my god, did you see what we have to do

503
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in the next episode? And she was impressed. Because we

504
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 2>were shooting ten pages in two days on a ship

505
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 2>called a Rider, which was a smaller version of a runabout.

506
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<v Speaker 2>We knew we'd have a lot of added actions perform

507
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<v Speaker 2>to try to learn our lines over external sound and

508
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>all the other confusion in a small set would be.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Hard, right, Yeah about that? Ten days? Wow, ten ten

510
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>pages and two days. That's insane, right, insane to learn

511
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<v Speaker 1>all that had to Like Dax in the nose in

512
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the Bajara nose, I thought was cool.

513
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:56.240
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a nice touch.

514
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that was a subtle touch. I'm sorry not

515
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>to keep cutting you off. I think when we talked

516
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>about this a couple episodes ago, I was misremembering. I

517
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 1>remembered them flying the plane in the Vedic costumes for

518
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 1>some reason. Oh really, And I was I was right

519
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>that they put the vetic costumes in Yeah, but I

520
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I remember remembered it that way. But anyway,

521
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<v Speaker 1>Mendel affected you were very polite. You very were You

522
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>were very polite when you said, oh, yeah, really, I

523
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't think that's what they had on in

524
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 1>the ships, but maybe I'm wrong. So thank you for

525
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>being so polite even though you absolutely knew I was wrong.

526
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I take care of you, Scott. I also love since

527
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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the ships in the cave, the placu as.

528
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>As Dak says, here's how that little guy came about.

529
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<v Speaker 2>According to uh the effects guy, Joe Longo, the effects

530
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>guy found that he was going to buy a garage

531
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 2>sale and he got it for about two bucks. It

532
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.079
<v Speaker 2>wasn't Harry at the time. It was a plastic spider

533
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and mechanical, and it wasn't scary or ugly enough, just big.

534
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.079
<v Speaker 2>But it was exactly what I needed, so I got

535
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>it from him. I took it out to the special

536
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>effects shop and had them motor motor in, had them

537
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>put a motor in it with a remote, and then

538
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:20.599
<v Speaker 2>I took it over to Michael Westmore and had him

539
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>put all the hair on it. And its teeth. Okay,

540
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall we ever see the front of that thing.

541
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 1>You see it back.

542
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>They got away to it real quick. The funny thing was,

543
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.079
<v Speaker 2>is I remember that when we brought it up to

544
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 2>mister Burman, he looked at it and he liked it.

545
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 2>I showed him how it moved the remote, but it

546
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 2>was really slow. He said he'd like to see it

547
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 2>move much faster. So I sent it back out to

548
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the shop and had them put a heavier motor in it,

549
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 2>and then I brought it back up for Rick to

550
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>look at again. When I got there, I had the

551
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 2>secretary open the door for me, and I had the

552
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:01.200
<v Speaker 2>spider run into the room on its own. They all

553
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>did double takes and really liked it. You only see

554
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 2>it real quickly in the show because if you spend

555
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>any amount of time on it, you can tell exactly

556
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>what it is. That was propmaster Joe Long.

557
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>I think I had a sense of what it was,

558
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>even with a little bit bit of time that we

559
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 1>spent on it, right, And then they have a fun

560
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 1>line find a fun exchange about oh did you keep

561
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>keep these as pets? I guess, and Kira is like, no,

562
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 1>we used to eat them eat it so crazy.

563
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 2>But I dig this episode. Uh, Scott, you raised some

564
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 2>good points about it.

565
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>One other thing, not to be nippiggy, because I did

566
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>enjoy it, but like, and this is I'm sure a

567
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>function of budget, which often came up with Odo. But

568
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Odo could could single handedly have taken all those bajorns out.

569
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you could just turn into a bear.

570
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. Yeah, And you know, I think I think

571
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 1>he gets a couple of effects. He turns into a

572
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.799
<v Speaker 1>trip line and he and he melt melts into the

573
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>wa all at one point. But that's kind of it.

574
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't afford to do stuff like that with Oly,

575
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, So.

576
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Turn into that giant mister fantastic arm Yes up, yeah,

577
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.920
<v Speaker 2>roll them into the grates of the promenade. Done.

578
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes. I like the I I also like how it

579
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:21.359
<v Speaker 1>sort of ends with the Minister Jarrow, again being the

580
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>consummate politician, saying, you know, I fully support an investigation

581
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>into this. When the information is finally released that the

582
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Kato supporting supplying the weapons, I fully supported an investigation

583
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>like he has none he has. That's what they have

584
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to do at that moment, and we never find out.

585
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't think what happens to him, like you never

586
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 1>hear about him again after this, He probably you never

587
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>see him again.

588
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I hope, I hope you got some come upp ins.

589
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you would think, but then again, you look at

590
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 1>how how ship works these days, and so yeah, I'm

591
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 1>not so sure. So, but uh, I like that he

592
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't he didn't get killed. He didn't you know, it

593
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 1>wasn't wasn't It didn't have to be some like you know,

594
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>dramatic gunfight with him like that was not what his

595
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>character ever was, you know. So so yeah, no, it's

596
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>a good episode. I think for my money, it's maybe

597
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.559
<v Speaker 1>my least favorite of the three though, which is how

598
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I always remembered them. But what about you, do you have.

599
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 2>A favorite or the middle chapter is my favorite?

600
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, the Circle, Okay, I just love the I

601
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>love the the breakout, the prison break in the first episode.

602
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's great too, you know, and all I

603
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>don't think like there's one particular like I don't think

604
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 2>all three of them has a particular stand out like great, great,

605
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 2>great episode. You know, I think they all work together

606
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>as that trifecta.

607
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I think I think you're right. That's that's fair. Yeah, so, uh,

608
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I love how.

609
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>It kickstarted the trend of doing big three parters. Yeah yeah,

610
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>like Enterprise the next one? Would it be until Enterprise?

611
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay? With the augments right where they started doing many

612
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 1>mini runs in in that last season? I guess it

613
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 1>was right? Yeah right? Speaking of Enterprise real quick, Like

614
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this on the discord, but uh uh the

615
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>shuttle Pod one or whatever the fuck? It's what is

616
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.039
<v Speaker 1>the what's the podcast that those guys do? Connor Treneer

617
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and uh the dcon Chamber, The dcon Chamber, they just

618
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>did a an episode about shuttle Pod one. I guess

619
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 1>that's the episode where they're they're stranded, right, and they

620
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>brought Berman and uh, Bronn and Braga on to talk

621
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 1>for like an hour about the episode and about and

622
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 1>just about Enterprise in general. So it's a really interesting watch.

623
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I would I wish we could get Rick Berman on on.

624
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I've been working on it. I will work harder.

625
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got so many interesting stories and an interesting

626
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>perspective that isn't often shared. You know, it's easy to

627
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 1>hate on Rick Berman. Uh, fandom does that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like this guy was he kept the ship

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<v Speaker 1>going for so long, you know, you know, so Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know any final thoughts on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hope uh everyone likes it. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>liked as much as we didn't. If you have any

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<v Speaker 2>uh comments about it, please let us know what are

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite moments from it? What worked for you, what

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work better, what could have worked better? And also

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<v Speaker 2>did anyone else catch that vitag Burrell's name is once

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<v Speaker 2>again misspelled in.

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<v Speaker 1>The Come on guys, get it together? Man? What the heck?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, yeah, he's that character was always weak,

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<v Speaker 1>right because he did they bring him into this one,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's seemingly gonna, you know, help them. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he does help them, but like he has, he leaves

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<v Speaker 1>no impact imprint. He has no impact on things, right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's a plot device, you know. But let's go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Why don't we go to the red shirt to

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<v Speaker 1>finish up the chat on this one?

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<v Speaker 3>Attention all crew, please don your dress uniforms and prepare

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<v Speaker 3>the photon torpedo coffins. It's time for the Red Shirt

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<v Speaker 3>of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an extended red shirt. Mister Leigh Knollys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Richard bimer I wish.

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<v Speaker 2>He died a more. I wish the character was serviced

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<v Speaker 2>in a way where his death impacted more. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>wish the actor. I wish Irabear's concerns about the performance

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<v Speaker 2>was alleviated. But it does work within the narrative, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he has to go the way he goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they set it up like Cisco and him

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<v Speaker 1>have a they have a chat earlier in the episode

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<v Speaker 1>where he's like, you know, it would be the easy

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<v Speaker 1>that would be the easy way for you to go

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<v Speaker 1>is to just take take a to take a shot

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<v Speaker 1>to the gun and go out. But what what what

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<v Speaker 1>Beijo needs is for you to stand up and do

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing, and which he and which he does,

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<v Speaker 1>he does do And then they even when after he

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<v Speaker 1>gets shot by Stephen Weber, actually, uh, they referenced it.

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<v Speaker 1>They loop it back around and they referenced it, and

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, oh, it turns out I got I got

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<v Speaker 1>to take the easy wow out way out after all

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever is something to that effect which works, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but I agree, I didn't. I didn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>really feel for Lee Knallis in any real way. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't It wasn't yeah, it wasn't like I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to think of a supporting player who like the Bajorin,

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<v Speaker 1>the young Bajoran who died on Next Generation, remember her

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<v Speaker 1>when she went on that so covert mission, Like that

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<v Speaker 1>was such a gut punch, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Or really nailed you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Strike?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, or like.

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<v Speaker 2>Strike it was lower decks sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Lower lower decks, that's right, yeah, Or you know Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>Garrett or or uh the other Rachel Garrett's first officer,

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's the character's name? Castillo and Yesterda's enterprise, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see him die, but you know he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to die. You know, there's character, there's characters who come

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<v Speaker 1>in for a very brief time and you feel the impact.

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<v Speaker 1>And as much as I like Richard Bimer and I

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<v Speaker 1>like Lee Knallis, I don't know that I necessarily miss him.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the episode. It just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feels like almost like business that had to be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cleaned up to move on to the next next

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<v Speaker 1>week's segment, you know, so, which is a shame. But

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<v Speaker 1>that goes back to what Iris, Stephen Burr and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other writers said about how they never quite

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<v Speaker 1>felt that that character worked the way they wanted it

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<v Speaker 1>to too. Okay, well, I guess that's kind of it, Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm glad you guys have joined us for this

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<v Speaker 2>three parter. We'll be back with either a big review

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<v Speaker 2>of a special episode or a commentary for one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and we got to get some interviews going

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<v Speaker 1>we have over forty exclusive episodes at this point, interviews

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<v Speaker 1>on a piece of toast, Patrick Stewart, Michael Akuda, Ron Moore,

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<v Speaker 1>as always, thank you for your support everywhere. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for listening on this feed as well. Hit us up

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<v Speaker 1>All that jazz that'll do it for us.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you all for listening. Till next time, We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you on grvide Island