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<v Speaker 1>Warning.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode contains graphic crime scene detail as well as

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<v Speaker 2>talk of sexual assault. Please listen with discretion. All witnesses, suspects,

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<v Speaker 2>and purses of interest are considered innocent until proven guilty

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<v Speaker 2>in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Court of law.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>right now on true crime, and then together we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to this week's episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to get into a little right now

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<v Speaker 2>in true crime, and then we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 2>this week's case. So very More feu'sed trial has officially

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<v Speaker 2>been scheduled to begin on July nineteenth of twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are expecting it to last for at least

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<v Speaker 2>six weeks. Now, if you remember, he was originally going

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<v Speaker 2>to be going to trial this year, but they have

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<v Speaker 2>since postponed it and it will officially be happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the summer of next year. So we are about a

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<v Speaker 2>year away from very going to trial. So let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about this case out of Ohio. I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of alluded to it last week that I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it, but I wanted to get a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more backstory and familiarize myself with it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. But honestly, it seems like every single day

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<v Speaker 2>there's been new things coming out and it's just ever evolving.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a lot going on. So we are just

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<v Speaker 2>going to start with what we know. So this took

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<v Speaker 2>place in Venton County, Ohio, and law enforcement responded to

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<v Speaker 2>this home in response to something not related and when

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<v Speaker 2>they went into the home, they found four people and

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen children living in an absolute hot mess, disaster of

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<v Speaker 2>a home and squalor basically. So the people who were arrested,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go through who they are and their relation.

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<v Speaker 2>So Gary Sider Senior, he is seventy three years old.

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<v Speaker 2>He is married to Christina Siders, who is sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a son, Gary Siders the second. He is

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six, and Elizabeth Siders is his wife and she

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<v Speaker 2>is thirty three. So they have all been arrested and

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<v Speaker 2>charged with second degree felony child endangerment, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>other charges that have been reported to be pending. Possibly

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<v Speaker 2>there could be more charges coming. So these sixteen kids

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<v Speaker 2>were in a twelve x twelve room that was absolutely disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>full of human waste. Basically, they were living in their

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<v Speaker 2>own filth, and it seems that they have been living

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<v Speaker 2>in that room for a long time. The kids range

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<v Speaker 2>in age from one and a half years old to

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen years old, and it is believed that Elizabeth gave

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<v Speaker 2>birth to all of these children, including a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>twins who were born conjoined and passed away shortly thereafter.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the children, of course, were removed from the

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<v Speaker 2>home and were being treated in the hospital. Two of

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<v Speaker 2>the children had to be airlifted to a hospital for

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<v Speaker 2>immediate medical attention. They said some of these kids were

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<v Speaker 2>literal days away from not being alive if they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get the medical intervention they needed. So this was a

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<v Speaker 2>very dire situation. These kids were obviously being abused, they

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<v Speaker 2>were living in their own filth, and there was just

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<v Speaker 2>a lot going on inside of this home that nobody

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<v Speaker 2>knew about. They are also running paternity tests on all

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<v Speaker 2>of the children because there is a lot of rumor

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<v Speaker 2>and speculation that Gary Sider Senior might have fathered some

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<v Speaker 2>of these children. That is just kind of what is

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<v Speaker 2>going around right now. But that is definitely going to

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<v Speaker 2>be part of this ongoing investigation because there is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot going on here. So Gary the second was eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old when he married fifteen year old Elizabeth. Now

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<v Speaker 2>she was pregnant at the time with this child who

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<v Speaker 2>is now eighteen years old. However, from what I have heard,

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<v Speaker 2>Gary was not the father of this child, but he

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<v Speaker 2>married her when she was fifteen years old, and it

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<v Speaker 2>truly does seem that ever since she had this first baby,

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<v Speaker 2>that she has been pregnant very very frequently and often

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<v Speaker 2>and living in not.

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<v Speaker 1>So great conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's also been a lot of again rumor and

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<v Speaker 2>speculation online due to one of the mugshot photos of Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see a mark on her arm that almost

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a mark that is from like a restraint

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<v Speaker 2>or something. So there's a lot of people that are

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<v Speaker 2>saying that she very well could be a victim as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and was obviously very young when she was brought into

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<v Speaker 2>this family, and she has been having baby after baby

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<v Speaker 2>after baby four years and years and years, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people who are looking at her.

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<v Speaker 1>As a victim as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, elizabeth attorney has come out and said that he

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<v Speaker 2>does not believe that Elizabeth is evil and that he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't see any malice in Elizabeth. And it's also been

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<v Speaker 2>said that Elizabeth, after she was arrested, all she really

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to know is if her kids were okay and

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<v Speaker 2>when she was going to be able to see them.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's entirely possible that this girl was groomed, abused,

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<v Speaker 2>and in this situation that she just couldn't get out of,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately it turned into what it's turned into. The

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<v Speaker 2>attorney for Elizabeth also said that Elizabeth hasn't said herself

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<v Speaker 2>that she is a victim. But again, it is really

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<v Speaker 2>early in the investigation, and as law enforcement and investigators

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<v Speaker 2>are looking into everything, I am sure things are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be slowly trickling out and things are going to

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a lot more clear. But the adults in this

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<v Speaker 2>family weren't Hermit's at all. They would go out in

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<v Speaker 2>the community, they would interact, they would go get food

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<v Speaker 2>from a local food bank, they would go to the

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<v Speaker 2>Dollar General, and one of the employees at the Dollar

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<v Speaker 2>General interacted with them on a pretty regular basis, and

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<v Speaker 2>she said that when they would come in, you could

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<v Speaker 2>always tell when they were in the store because they.

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<v Speaker 1>Did have a odor to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning, I'm sure that these people aren't the most hygienic

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<v Speaker 2>humans on earth. They were living indeplorable, disgusting conditions, living

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<v Speaker 2>literally in their own waste. And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be mean, but you can look at the pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>them and just tell that they probably aren't the cleanest,

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<v Speaker 2>most hygienic humans. And I can't even imagine what these

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<v Speaker 2>poor children were living in if they had that odor

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<v Speaker 2>to them, what the children must have been living in,

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<v Speaker 2>because the conditions for the children seemed like they were

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<v Speaker 2>worse than the conditions for the adults. Now, in the

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<v Speaker 2>last twenty four or forty eight hours, there was some

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<v Speaker 2>type of medical episode that Gary Senior had and he

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<v Speaker 2>is actually in the hospital right now and has been

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<v Speaker 2>temporarily released from jail due to this ongoing issue with

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<v Speaker 2>his health. I think he fell, and there's other ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>issues as well with him medically, and also within the

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<v Speaker 2>last day, Elizabeth has asked that her bond be modified.

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<v Speaker 2>It was set for a three hundred thousand dollars cash bond,

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<v Speaker 2>and she just wants to be reunited with her children,

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<v Speaker 2>so she has asked that that be modified, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is still at the moment up in the air. I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely think that this case is going to be very

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<v Speaker 2>ever evolving. There has already been so much that has

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<v Speaker 2>come out. There are other family members who have also

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<v Speaker 2>spoken out. There's a lot going on in this one.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really hard to keep up with. I am

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<v Speaker 2>doing my best. I wanted to give just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a broad overview on it, and then as things continue

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<v Speaker 2>to come out, I'll be sure to give updates. If

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<v Speaker 2>anything major happens, I will be sure to let you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But all I know is that I'm so grateful that

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<v Speaker 2>the kids are out of that environment and out of

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<v Speaker 2>that situation. I know the eighteen year old child that

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth had is very delayed. She has very limited speech,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds like some of the other children as well. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>none of these children were in school, so their communication

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<v Speaker 2>vocabulary is also very very limited. So I'll be staying

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<v Speaker 2>on top of it, trying to keep you guys updated

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<v Speaker 2>as much as I can with this. I follow Abby

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<v Speaker 2>Blabby on Instagram, Facebook, and she has been staying on

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<v Speaker 2>top of things and doing updates as they are coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want in depth updates and reporting, be

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<v Speaker 2>sure to go and follow her. That is where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting all of my information right now on everything that

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<v Speaker 2>is breaking in the Sider's case. If there is any more,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be sure to keep you guys updated.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is for right now in true crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I did want to spend some time on that story,

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<v Speaker 2>so I wanted to make that the bulk of right

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<v Speaker 2>now in true crime. And we are going to go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and get into this week's episode. Alrighty, guys, Today

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<v Speaker 2>we are jumping into a brand new case. In today's episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be telling you about the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>homicides of two elderly women who were living at a

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<v Speaker 2>nursing home in Montana. Both of our victims were elderly

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<v Speaker 2>and in their eighties, and both of them were suffering

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<v Speaker 2>from Alzheimer's. They were also killed about two months apart.

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<v Speaker 2>So initially after the first death, nursing home officials just

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<v Speaker 2>thought that the cause of death was natural causes due

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<v Speaker 2>to the elderly age of the victim. But two months later,

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<v Speaker 2>when a resident was kidnapped from her room at the

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<v Speaker 2>nursing home and killed, they quickly realized that there might

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<v Speaker 2>be something more at play. I was personally not familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with this case. But it's been back in the news

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<v Speaker 2>recently as they have officially named a suspect in the

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<v Speaker 2>case and he has been apprehended, finally, after all of

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<v Speaker 2>these years. We're going to be getting into that in

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<v Speaker 2>further detail as the episode goes, but first, as always,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to spend some time telling you about the

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<v Speaker 2>two victims in this case and a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>who they were before they had their lives stolen by

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<v Speaker 2>this horrific monster. Let's get into it. Bertha Scott was

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<v Speaker 2>born on March nineteenth of nineteen oh four and was

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<v Speaker 2>raised in Allentown, Pennsylvania. She married a man named Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Scott in nineteen twenty four, and together they had six children. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>Charles passed away in nineteen sixty three. Bertha very much

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed gardening, traveling flowers, houseplants, needle point, and painting. She

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<v Speaker 2>had sadly lost four of her six children and had

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<v Speaker 2>only moved to Missoula, Montana, in nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>To be closer to her daughter who lived there.

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<v Speaker 2>She was unfortunately suffering from Alzheimer's and had recently moved

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<v Speaker 2>into a nursing home called Riverside Healthcare Center that was

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<v Speaker 2>located at thirteen oh one East Broadway Street in Missoula, Montana.

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<v Speaker 2>She was eighty six years old at the time of

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<v Speaker 2>her death. In the early morning hours of May second

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen ninety Bertha was found deceased in her bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the nineties, it was very normal for Alzheimer's

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<v Speaker 2>patients or dementia patients to be restrained due to their

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<v Speaker 2>need to wander at night, so Bertha was found deceased

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<v Speaker 2>and restrained in her bed. It was assumed that Bertha

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<v Speaker 2>had passed from natural causes due to some ongoing heart

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<v Speaker 2>issues that Bertha had. Upon the discovery of Bertha, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a nurse that noted that she had some odd

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<v Speaker 2>coloring on her neck, but nothing else seemed out of

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<v Speaker 2>the ordinary. The death of Bertha was not marked as suspicious,

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<v Speaker 2>and her family buried her without an autopsy, assuming natural causes.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing suspicious surrounded the time of Bertha's death, except there

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<v Speaker 2>was a random window that had been left open in

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<v Speaker 2>the therapy room. However, at the time, it didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>seem like it had anything to do with Bertha's death,

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<v Speaker 2>and for me, this makes sense. It seems obviously Bertha

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<v Speaker 1>That her death was just related to natural causes.

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<v Speaker 2>She was in her eighties, she, like I said, had

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't unusual for residents to pass away at the

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<v Speaker 2>nursing home, so this was in their eyes, just another

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunate death, and a Bertha's family, i'm sure also just

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<v Speaker 2>assumed that she had passed from natural causes. Didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>ask many questions because she had been living with some illnesses,

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<v Speaker 2>so it didn't really stand out as anything that was

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious in any means. Moving on to our next victim,

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Zema Lagerquist. She was born on December thirteenth of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh two in Hamilton, Montana. She never married nor

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<v Speaker 2>had children. She would eventually move to Missoula, Montana for work,

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<v Speaker 2>where she worked as an executive secretary at the Missoula

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<v Speaker 2>Mercantile Company and also the Montana Mercantile Company until her retirement.

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<v Speaker 2>She was survived by her sister, two nieces, and three nephews.

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<v Speaker 2>She was eighty seven years old when her life was

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<v Speaker 2>taken at the Riverside Healthcare Center. She had moved in

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<v Speaker 2>there in December of nineteen eighty eight, and she did

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<v Speaker 2>have Alzheimer's and she was wheelchair bound, which is an

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<v Speaker 2>important facet of this story. She very much needed the

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<v Speaker 2>staff's to be able to get up out of bed

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<v Speaker 2>and get into her wheelchair. This is not something she

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<v Speaker 2>could independently do. So it's July first of nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>and this is just two months from the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That Bertha had passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>In the care center, there were five people working the

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<v Speaker 2>night shift. That night, the evening of July first, the

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<v Speaker 2>employees did hourly rounding on the patients and they had

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<v Speaker 2>gone into check on her around three thirty am, and

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<v Speaker 2>all was normal and calm. Nothing stood out, nothing out

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<v Speaker 2>of the ordinary. The facility had alarms on all of

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<v Speaker 2>the doors, so that way, if anyone exited, the doors

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<v Speaker 2>would make a sound, which is very common in a

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<v Speaker 2>facility that houses patients that have any type of memory deficits,

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<v Speaker 2>because often they will wander and they want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that they are kept safe and they don't get

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the facility. Around four thirty am, they went

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<v Speaker 2>to make their hourly checks and that is when they

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<v Speaker 2>noticed that Nancy was missing from her room. So of

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<v Speaker 2>course they all began to search the facility trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find her. It was pretty clear that whatever happened to Nancy,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't on her own accord, because she couldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten up and moved on her own. There's no way

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<v Speaker 2>she would have been able to independently get herself out

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<v Speaker 2>of bed and into her wheelchair and leave the facility.

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<v Speaker 2>They ended up reporting her missing at four forty one am,

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<v Speaker 2>so this was shortly after they discovered that she was missing.

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<v Speaker 2>They also noticed that the window screen to Nancy's room

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<v Speaker 2>had in fact been cut, so this was obviously setting

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<v Speaker 2>off alarm bells for the staff. Police came and they

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<v Speaker 2>began to search the grounds that surrounded the nursing home. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this nursing home is set in a very very pretty

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<v Speaker 2>area in Montana. It is surrounded by mountains. There is

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<v Speaker 2>water behind the nursing home. It is really gorgeous views.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be posting a picture of it on

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<v Speaker 2>my Instagram and Facebook pages. In the carousel that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be associated with this episode, so please check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Law enforcement also ended up calling in the fire department

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<v Speaker 2>to help search the Clark Fork River that is the

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<v Speaker 2>river that runs behind the nursing home. Nancy's room at

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<v Speaker 2>the nursing home did indeed face the river. Unfortunately, in

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<v Speaker 2>their search, at six point thirty am, they found the

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<v Speaker 2>body of Nancy in the river. She was still dressed

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<v Speaker 2>in her night clothes, but the adult brief that she

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing was missing, and this discovery made them realize

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<v Speaker 2>that this was no accident. Nancy had been murdered. Her

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<v Speaker 2>death is described as ritualistic, and she had been sexually

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<v Speaker 2>assaulted with an object that had also caused various injuries

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<v Speaker 2>to her. This was a horrific, horrific death. Authorities searched

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<v Speaker 2>the area where Nancy was found and they couldn't find

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<v Speaker 2>a murder weapon, but they also couldn't find the adult

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<v Speaker 2>brief that Nancy had been wearing, and they had put

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<v Speaker 2>out kind of a bulletin to ask people if they

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<v Speaker 2>found this brief to please contact them because they believed

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<v Speaker 2>that this brief could hold potential evidence. That brief was

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<v Speaker 2>never in fact found, it likely got washed away in

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<v Speaker 2>the water. Law enforcement did then search Nancy's room and

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<v Speaker 2>they took her bed sheets as evidence because they knew

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<v Speaker 2>that whoever did this had to have entered Nancy's room,

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<v Speaker 2>come into the nursing home and taken her from her bed,

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<v Speaker 2>so there could be some physical evidence left over on

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<v Speaker 2>her bed sheets. Police began their line of questioning with

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<v Speaker 2>the people closest to the case, which, unfortunately, in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>was the people that worked at the nursing home, and

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<v Speaker 2>they also questioned some of the residents of the nursing

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<v Speaker 2>home as well. Now, there were several residents that were

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<v Speaker 2>called seeing a man lurking around the nursing home at night,

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<v Speaker 2>but this alleged person wasn't somebody that staff had ever seen,

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<v Speaker 2>so they weren't able to officially say if this was

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<v Speaker 2>a real person or not. Now, of course, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the residents of the nursing home did have memory deficits,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the times when you're questioning people

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<v Speaker 2>about something, sometimes they see things that might not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>be there, so the validity of what they're saying is

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<v Speaker 2>of course a little skewed. And due to the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that there wasn't any staff that saw this person, they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't really sure if this was a true story or not,

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<v Speaker 2>or if it was just something that maybe some of

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<v Speaker 2>the residents had thought that they had saw and due

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<v Speaker 2>to Nancy being taken from her room and subsequently murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>They assumed, oh, I saw this person, it must be

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<v Speaker 2>the person that killed Nancy. Now, there was a staff

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<v Speaker 2>member who reported that he saw a man in the

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<v Speaker 2>parking lot around four am, which was about the time

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<v Speaker 2>before they realized that Nancy was missing. Put a pin

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<v Speaker 2>in that for a minute, because we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>come back to that statement. So law enforcement is now

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days into their investigation and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any suspects that they have at their forefront. But

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement does announce that they are interested in talking

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<v Speaker 2>to a man that was seen in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the Missoula Athletic Club, which was directly next door

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<v Speaker 2>to the nursing home back in nineteen ninety and that

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<v Speaker 2>man was confirmed to have been seen around four am.

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<v Speaker 2>And although it's not confus I do believe that this

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<v Speaker 2>is the same man that the worker had reported seeing

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<v Speaker 2>in the parking lot around four am. But this man

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in the nursing home parking lot. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>the fitness center that is directly next door to the

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<v Speaker 2>nursing home. I think regardless, anybody that was around the

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<v Speaker 2>nursing home. Seen kind of loitering or lurking around four

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<v Speaker 2>am is somebody that law enforcement would want to talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>So this man is described as a white man, aged

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<v Speaker 2>forty and weighed about one hundred and eighty to two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds. He had a light brown hair that was

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<v Speaker 2>cut above his ears and a mustache and brown rimmed glasses.

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<v Speaker 2>He was reported to be wearing a white and brown

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<v Speaker 2>striped T shirt and had tan shorts on and white

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<v Speaker 2>top tennis shoes. Investigators, of course, tried to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the public realizes that this person is not a suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>They are not a person of interest. It is just

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that they want to talk to to see if

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<v Speaker 2>this man saw or heard anything, because if this person

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<v Speaker 2>was around when Nancy was kidnapped, he might hold all

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<v Speaker 2>of the clues for what happened that night. He might

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<v Speaker 2>have saw something he didn't even realize that he's at

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<v Speaker 2>saw or again, this could be the person that committed

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<v Speaker 2>the crime because he is loitering in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>at four am for.

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<v Speaker 1>An unknown reason.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point in time, police also disclosed to the

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<v Speaker 2>public that they have begun the first stages of running

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<v Speaker 2>forensics on some of the evidence that they have collected.

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<v Speaker 2>But please remember it was nineteen ninety and things were

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<v Speaker 2>a heck of a lot different back then when it

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<v Speaker 2>came to forensics and crime scene analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>So law enforcement is continuing.

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<v Speaker 2>To follow up on leads, questioning people that they feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they need to question, and they are unfortunately coming

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<v Speaker 2>up empty handed every single time. Nancy's body is ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>cremated and Nancy opted out of having a service, So

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<v Speaker 2>investigators at this point are at a loss.

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<v Speaker 1>They have no idea who did this to Nancy or why.

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<v Speaker 2>They initially had looked into an employee that worked at

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<v Speaker 2>the nursing home, but that individual was ultimately cleared. So

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<v Speaker 2>at this point we are well into August of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety and they still don't have any leads. So investigators

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<v Speaker 2>decide to ask the employees of the nursing home if

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<v Speaker 2>there had been any other suspicious deaths that had occurred

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<v Speaker 2>at the nursing home in the recent months. A nurse

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<v Speaker 2>brought up Bertha Scott and her death. The nurse disclosed

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<v Speaker 2>that it was assumed that she had passed away from

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<v Speaker 2>natural causes, but the nurse brought up that she had

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<v Speaker 2>noticed some unusual coloring around her neck, and they also

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<v Speaker 2>brought up the fact that the window in the therapy

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<v Speaker 2>room had been noticed to be open and that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of coincided with Bertha's death. So investigators made the decision

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<v Speaker 2>to exhume birth of Scott's body on August sixteenth of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety, so this was about six weeks after Nancy's death.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still trying to investigate and figure out what exactly happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So they exhume Birtha's body and they take it to

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<v Speaker 2>the State Crime Lab in Missoula and they go and

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<v Speaker 2>perform an autopsy. Investigators at this point and didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>that Bertha's death was going to be related, but they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to just kind of mark it off as something

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<v Speaker 2>that they looked into and they investigated, but they very

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<v Speaker 2>much wanted to try and solve Nancy's murder, and they

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<v Speaker 2>figured this might rule at least that connection out. But

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<v Speaker 2>to their surprise, Bertha's autopsy showed that her death was

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<v Speaker 2>in fact not due to natural causes. It was in

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<v Speaker 2>fact a murder. Her death was reclass as a homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>They determined that she had been sexually assaulted and strangled.

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<v Speaker 2>It was assumed that she was manually strangled while lying

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<v Speaker 2>face up in her bed, still in her restraints. Police

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<v Speaker 2>were able to recover DNA from her body and they

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<v Speaker 2>sent it off for forensic testing to Quantico, Virginia, where

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI crime Lab was located. But obviously, with this

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<v Speaker 2>being the second homicide confirmed, everybody that had family at

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<v Speaker 2>the nursing home and the employees were all very much

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<v Speaker 2>on edge because it seemed like somebody was targeting the

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<v Speaker 2>residence of this nursing home, which is just terrible. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not understand a rationale behind doing something like this.

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<v Speaker 2>On August twentieth of nineteen ninety, there was a call

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<v Speaker 2>that came into nine one one and the staff was

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<v Speaker 2>in a panic because they found a window that looked

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<v Speaker 2>like it had been tampered with, and they were worried

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<v Speaker 2>that this was going to happen all over again, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was no way that the staff that worked at

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<v Speaker 2>single window and door twenty four to seven. Notoriously, nursing home,

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<v Speaker 2>any type of care facilities like that are going to be,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, understaffed, and there's no way that. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>they could take on this job of making sure every

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<v Speaker 2>single one of the residents was safe twenty four to seven,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just impossible. So them dealing with what they were

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with at this point in time, two people having

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<v Speaker 2>lost their lives at the hands of some type of monster,

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<v Speaker 2>and having scares of other windows in the facility being

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00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:55.920
<v Speaker 2>tampered with, I'm sure they were terrified that this was

423
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<v Speaker 2>going to keep happening. They also noted that the week

424
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<v Speaker 2>before for this nine to one one call came in

425
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.279
<v Speaker 2>that a windows screen at the facility had been removed.

426
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 1>So obviously there was.

427
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Something going on at this facility where somebody was continuously

428
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:16.400
<v Speaker 2>tampering with the windows of this facility for one reason

429
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>or another. And investigators were also at a loss because

430
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 2>they didn't know if this was somebody from the outside

431
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:25.880
<v Speaker 2>that was tampering with the windows, or if this was

432
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.200
<v Speaker 2>potentially an inside job and it was somebody from the

433
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.000
<v Speaker 2>inside that was tampering with the windows. On August twenty

434
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>first of nineteen ninety, law enforcement offered a five thousand

435
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:40.599
<v Speaker 2>dollars reward for any information leading to the arrest of

436
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Bertha and Nancy's killer. At this point in time, they

437
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>very much did believe that Bertha and Nancy had been

438
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:51.440
<v Speaker 2>killed by the same person. Then, on April thirtieth of

439
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.079
<v Speaker 2>the next year, so nineteen ninety one, they finally got

440
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 2>the DNA forensics back, but everything unfortunately came.

441
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Back in conclusive.

442
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>They weren't really able to pull any of the DNA

443
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 2>profile from the evidence on Bertha's body except for Bertha's

444
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 2>DNA itself. The technology, of course, was not very advanced

445
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.799
<v Speaker 2>back then, so they were not able to separate the

446
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>DNA into two separate DNA profiles.

447
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:21.799
<v Speaker 1>They were only.

448
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Able to obtain Bertha's DNA profile. And this just goes

449
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:31.079
<v Speaker 2>to show you how much our DNA technology has advanced,

450
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>because if this happened today, it would be no problem.

451
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.400
<v Speaker 2>It also probably wouldn't take over a year for that

452
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.400
<v Speaker 2>DNA to have come back. This took a year a

453
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 2>year's time for the DNA that they extracted from Bertha

454
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>to come back, and in that they came up again

455
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.519
<v Speaker 2>empty handed. Investigators continued to be super baffled by this

456
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 2>case because it just didn't make sense that somebody was

457
00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>targeting elderly residents of a nursing home. In the second homicide,

458
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 2>they actually went as far as to remove the resident

459
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 2>from the nursing home and dispose of them in the

460
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>river behind the nursing home.

461
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.079
<v Speaker 1>And that is a huge.

462
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Undertaking to do something like that because Nancy was completely

463
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 2>dependent on others for all of her mobility, so she

464
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have willingly walked or traveled on her own. So

465
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>the person that did this probably struggled a lot getting

466
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 2>her out of bed and then carrying her to the river.

467
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 2>So law enforcement knew that they were working with somebody

468
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>who was very skilled and very calculated and knew what

469
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 2>they were doing. So as of very recently, that's where

470
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>this case stood. There was no new information pretty much

471
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>since nineteen ninety since these crimes occurred, and there was

472
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.240
<v Speaker 2>little to no movement over the years as far as

473
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.960
<v Speaker 2>any possible or potential suspects in this case. And luckily

474
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>that we know of, there were no more victims of

475
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 2>this mysterious assailant at this nursing home. There were no

476
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 2>more lives that were taken at least in horrible circumstances

477
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.799
<v Speaker 2>at this nursing home. So just a few weeks ago,

478
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 2>in early June, it was announced that they had made

479
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>an arrest in the deaths of Nancy and Bertha. They

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00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>announced that sixty nine year old Nikki Dean Gardner had

481
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 2>been arrested in connection with the deaths of Nancy and Bertha.

482
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.799
<v Speaker 2>So within the past year, starting in two thousand and five,

483
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:40.079
<v Speaker 2>they had been kind of working behind the scenes. The

484
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Montana State Crime Lab and Abode Technology conducted new DNA

485
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>testing of evidence that was originally collected in nineteen ninety

486
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>from both Bertha and Nancy's crime scenes, and this is

487
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>how they were able to connect this individual, Nikki, to

488
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>both of the crimes. He has no personal connection to

489
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 2>either victims, and honestly, my first initial thought when I

490
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.759
<v Speaker 2>first heard the story was it was obviously probably random.

491
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Whoever this person was is probably just a creepy sexual

492
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>predator and wanted easy targets, and that's why he targeted

493
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 2>two people that were very vulnerable. They were elderly, they

494
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 2>had cognitive deficits due to their Alzheimer's and he was

495
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.799
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately able to get away with it for a really,

496
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 2>really long time, which is so infuriating. And I do

497
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>think that he probably has more victims out there. I

498
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 2>think it's more than just the two. That is just

499
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 2>my personal opinion. So Nikki his name is spelled Nickie

500
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 2>by the way, made his first court appearance on June eleventh,

501
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 2>where he officially pled not guilty to the two homicides

502
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.839
<v Speaker 2>that he is now charged with. So let's dig into

503
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 2>this Nikky guy a little bit. Given the fact that

504
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>he is now sixty nine years of age, he was

505
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.319
<v Speaker 2>around thirty four years old at the time of the murders,

506
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 2>and he lived east of Missoula, Montana. His criminal history

507
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 2>includes burglary, several DUI offenses, any conviction for partner family

508
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>member assault that required him to provide a DNA sample, which.

509
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Is exactly how he was caught so.

510
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety one, which was a year after the murders,

511
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>he was also involved in a domestic violence incident with

512
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>his then wife and daughter where he brandished a pistol.

513
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>He was also named in a sexual assault case involving

514
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 2>a juvenile in nineteen ninety six, but charges in that

515
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>case were never officially filed. So, like so many other

516
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>cold cases that I cover that are eventually solved, we

517
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 2>eventually have a suspect. The person that commits a crime

518
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>like this is not some super great, outstanding citizen who

519
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>has done no wrong and maybe made a mistake once

520
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>or twice. These people who are named suspects in these

521
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 2>cases always have bad things in their past, and it

522
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>is a continuous pattern of making really really poor decisions

523
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 2>and targeting other people continuously. For the most part, they

524
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately do continue to offend and reoffend until they get caught.

525
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.599
<v Speaker 2>And I will say it with my whole chest that

526
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I do believe that these two women are not his

527
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>only elderly victims. I believe that this man didn't just

528
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>do these two crimes and then he was a great

529
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>human until he was caught at age sixty nine. I

530
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>don't believe that to be true, and I assume that

531
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement is looking into other potential cases that have

532
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>similar mos in Montana because it seems like this guy

533
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't just do this twice. Again, that is just my opinion.

534
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I also think it is so insane that if this

535
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 2>man hadn't gone the route of taking Nancy out of

536
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>her bed and taking her away from the nursing home

537
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.599
<v Speaker 2>and killing her in the manner in which he did,

538
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:23.680
<v Speaker 2>then nothing ever would have come up, probably about her

539
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>death or about Bertha's death. They never would have questioned anything.

540
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>If Nancy had her life taken in the nursing home,

541
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>she hadn't been kidnapped from the nursing home, it would

542
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>have looked probably like just another run of the mill

543
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>natural causes death of an elderly woman. And that is

544
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 2>really a scary thought because how many other deaths like

545
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>that is he tied to and they were just assumed

546
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 2>to be natural causes. So obviously this is one that

547
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 2>is an ongoing case. He has just been arrested, he

548
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.480
<v Speaker 2>had his first court appearance where he pled not guilty,

549
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to be really interested to see how

550
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 2>this one develops. So I am going to stay on

551
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>top of this one, and if there is anything new

552
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 2>in this case, I will be sure to bring it

553
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 2>to you. I know that they are in the process

554
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 2>of building their case against this man, and I do

555
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>fully believe that with the DNA evidence that they have

556
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 2>linking this man to both victims Nancy and Bertha, that

557
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 2>they are going to have a pretty easy time building

558
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 2>their case against him. There's no way that coincidentally this

559
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 2>man's DNA ends up on two victims who were killed

560
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 2>months apart at the same care facility in Missola, Montana.

561
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.119
<v Speaker 2>While one is killed in her room in the nursing home,

562
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.679
<v Speaker 2>the other one is taken out of her room and

563
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 2>then dumped subsequently in the river behind the nursing home.

564
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just not possible that coincidentally his DNA is on

565
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>both women and they both ended up deceased. There is

566
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>going to be more coming out about this, I am

567
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>certain of it, So, like I said, I am going

568
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>to keep you guys updated on this one. I am

569
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>so glad that they have finally made an arrest in

570
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.639
<v Speaker 2>this case. Nineteen ninety to twenty twenty six is a

571
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.480
<v Speaker 2>heck of a long time, and I am so glad

572
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that this monster, this alleged monster, is off of the

573
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:34.239
<v Speaker 2>streets because anybody that prays on children and elderly, the

574
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>very vulnerable populations of our world, are the worst kind

575
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 2>of people. Obviously, all murder is bad, but there is

576
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 2>something especially terrible and heinous about people that pray on

577
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.280
<v Speaker 2>children and elderly. These women were in their eighties, they

578
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 2>suffered from cognitive deficits associated with their Alzheimer's, and they

579
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 2>were in a place that was supposed to help them

580
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 2>and keep them safe, and unfortunately they were targeted because

581
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>they had cognitive deficits and they were vulnerable, and unfortunately

582
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>this individual was able to gain access to them.

583
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>And that is a really, really scary thought.

584
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I know over the years, security at facilities places like

585
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>this has increased significantly and there is safety measures in

586
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>place so something like this doesn't happen again. Nineteen ninety

587
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 2>was a way different time. The world was a different place.

588
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 2>But like I said, I am going to be staying

589
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>on top of this one. I am sure there is

590
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 2>going to be more to come out about it, so

591
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I will be sure to keep you guys updated. But

592
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, I am very glad

593
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>to be able to say that there has officially been

594
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>an arrest made and hopefully we are in the process

595
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>of getting justice for these two women and their families.

596
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 2>So thank you guys so much for listening to Nancy

597
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and Bertha's story. I really appreciate you tuning in every week.

598
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Please take time if you are enjoying the show whatever

599
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.440
<v Speaker 2>platform you're listening on, to give me a five star review.

600
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>It really does help push the podcast out to other

601
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 2>people and get these lesser known obscure cases into more

602
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 2>eyes and ears, and that is really what it's about

603
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 2>is getting exposure for these cases that desperately need it. So,

604
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>as always, I thank you guys. I hope you have

605
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 2>a great weekend coming up, and I will see you

606
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>next week for a brand new unsolved case.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye.