WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.960 This radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in four Willie 2 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:14.439 excues the Phil. Hey, we do have a little bit 3 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:18.440 of breaking news, and that is it looks like a 4 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:22.359 at least an understanding for a deal with Hamilton County 5 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.920 and the Bengals. I'll just give you the highlights here 6 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.199 real quick and we can talk about it throughout the 7 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:30.440 afternoon if you want. Got a lot of other territory 8 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.960 to cover too. Anyway, here's the high points of this thing. 9 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.640 A new lease agreement for ten years with options for 10 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:43.679 five two year extensions, four hundred and seventy million dollars 11 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:48.000 worth of stadium improvements, which have been scaled back from 12 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:52.240 the planned eight hundred and thirty million in a memorandum 13 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:56.119 signed back in April. The county will contribute three hundred 14 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:59.119 and fifty million, the team one hundred and twenty million. 15 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:03.600 So they have until Monday, that's the deadline to get 16 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:07.680 it passed. The commissioners are debating it as we speak, 17 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.519 so there's a chance it could be passed today and 18 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.599 if we get winto that, we will let you know. 19 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:17.079 So nice to have that out of the way. You know, 20 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.480 we've got a problem in this city, a big problem, 21 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:27.560 and the problem is with crime. At twelve thirty we're 22 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:31.560 going to talk to former Vice Mayor and former chair 23 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:35.519 of the Law and Public Safety Committee of Council, Christopher Smitheman. 24 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.920 He's really passionate on this issue and we're going to 25 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.400 get his thoughts. And at one o'clock we're going to 26 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:48.200 talk to FOP President Ken Kober. Just Tuesday, I believe 27 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:49.920 it was a couple of days ago, there was a 28 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:55.040 big powwow with Cincinnati police and city authorities on what 29 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:58.719 they can do about it because getting real out of hand, 30 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:04.000 especially in the Over the Rhine area the last twenty 31 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:08.360 eight days. This is amazing. Violent crime is up seventeen 32 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.360 percent and property crime nine percent. But listen to this. 33 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.520 When you limit it down to Over the Rhine, violent 34 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:22.080 crime is up forty eight percent and there have been 35 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:24.919 this is according to AI, six hundred and thirty five 36 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.639 incidents to date just in Over the Rhine. Now again 37 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:32.280 that's from AI. I wasn't able to backcheck it anywhere else. 38 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:35.719 But the bottom line is there's a real real problem 39 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.560 down there. You know, we had a deal last week 40 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.319 I believe it was last week where a fourteen year 41 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:46.280 old kid shot and killed a sixteen year old kid. 42 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:50.120 I mean, I'll tell you something, back twenty thirty years ago, 43 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.479 you would have never heard something like that. These kids 44 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:59.599 are running wild fourteen years of age, and I think 45 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:06.719 the problem has got him charged with felony homicide, felly murder, 46 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:11.000 probably aggravated murder. And I believe at fourteen years of age, 47 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.719 if you commit a crime such as that, that kid, 48 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.039 fourteen year old can be tried as an adult. I 49 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:19.919 don't know if the prosecutor is going to do that 50 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.400 or not. It's prosecutors call on it. But that's what 51 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.840 you got going on, and that and other things. He's 52 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.479 a guy by the name of Chris Lewis. Just read 53 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.479 a story about him this morning. He was at Liberty 54 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.439 and Vine last week. I think it was in front 55 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.800 of Ruby's and he got punched in the eye. No, 56 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.039 wait a minute, I take that back. This was at 57 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.800 Liberty and Vine. The thing that happened at Rubies I'll 58 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.759 get to later. Anyway, this guy's at Liberty and Vine. 59 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.439 He got punched in the eye. Permanent damage, permanent damage. 60 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.080 And of course the big one, Patrick Harringer, He's the 61 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.319 guy that owned the gym down and over the Rhine, 62 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.479 minding his own business, and he was robbed and murdered. 63 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.919 So the tally is four over the Rhine. Five homicides 64 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:16.079 so far this year, three in the last month. Three 65 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:21.879 homicides in thirty days. The shooting at seventh of Walnut 66 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:26.319 that was two women, one shot another woman in the legs. 67 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:30.439 I don't think there was any fatality there, but you 68 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.199 kind of get the idea it's a big deal. I mean, 69 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.759 it really is. I was down I went to my 70 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:41.920 first FC Cincinnati soccer game a couple of weeks ago, 71 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:48.639 went down there to TQL Stadium, great experience, and then 72 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.600 after well, okay, we parked right in over the line. 73 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.560 I got a parking spot. Was kind of surprised about that, 74 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.199 and walked in, saw the game, came back out, and 75 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.279 walked around a bit over and over the It's incredible 76 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.480 what they have done down there. I hadn't been there 77 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.399 in a while. I lived downtown for about twelve thirteen years, 78 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.439 but I've been back on the West Side for about 79 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.920 the last five years. But it's unbelievable what they've done 80 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:22.279 down there. So many restaurants, clubs, all kinds of things 81 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.319 to do. You know, they've got all kinds of historic 82 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.240 tours you can do down there. I did one brewery 83 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.079 tour not too long ago. It was really cool. They 84 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.879 took you through all and most of the or many 85 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.199 of the buildings are still there. My point is, it 86 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:44.480 is really a jewel for this city. I mean again, 87 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.680 if you haven't been down there for a while and 88 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:49.519 you're not afraid to go down there, you really ought 89 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.199 to check it out. Here's the thing. The city better 90 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:58.000 get a handle on this and quickly, or all of 91 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.439 it's going to go away. And you're probably saying, Mike, 92 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.319 how do you know that? Well, what happened was in 93 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.120 the two thousand and two riots. Some of you may 94 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.839 remember those pretty bad. It was pretty bad. Main Street 95 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.519 at the time was just kind of coming into its own. 96 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.720 You had Neons and a bunch of other bars down there. Well, 97 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:25.199 when the riots hit afterwards, just about all those places 98 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.480 closed down because nobody wanted to go down there. My 99 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.839 point being, you just can't have that. I mean you can't. 100 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:37.319 If you build these wonderful things like they have and 101 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.560 over the Rhine, you damn well better be able to 102 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:45.120 protect the people that go down there. Well, like I said, 103 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.000 there was a big powwow Tuesday. I believe it was 104 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:52.399 with the city leaders and the police department. And we 105 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.439 are also going to talk to FP President Ken Kober 106 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:59.079 about this. We got Ken coming on at one o'clock 107 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.040 to be interested in what he has to say. So 108 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.879 here's what the city's proposing that they do one thing 109 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:09.439 and I'm looking forward to asking Ken about this. That 110 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.680 might be helpful. They're putting together this thing. They're calling 111 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:17.879 it a roving task Force, which is thirty police officers, 112 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:22.360 and I guess they're flexible and they will go to 113 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:28.480 trouble spots within the city downtown obviously, but they'll be 114 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.279 able to respond quickly to something like that. And you 115 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.399 know what, if the city does it right and if 116 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:41.399 the handcuffs are taken off the police, that might work. 117 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.560 But here's the thing, and I'm going to get into 118 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.040 this with Ken and Christopher Smithman because I think it 119 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.920 came up walk he was on council. If the city 120 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:57.879 leaves them alone and lets them police proactively, it could work. 121 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.480 The term proactive policing. It scares some people because they 122 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:05.240 think the cops are going to be out in the 123 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.879 street beating people up, violating people's rights. No that's not 124 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.759 the case. And I'll tell you something. I don't think 125 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:16.639 we've had proactive policing in this city for a long 126 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:22.480 long time. Yeah, just a little story. From nineteen eighty 127 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.399 five till about nineteen eighty nine or ninety, I was 128 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.480 in the City Prosecutor's office Municipal court every day dealing 129 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:36.279 with CPD cases. You would go down there in a 130 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:40.320 courtroom and the police officers always sit in the jury box. 131 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.600 The cops would be overflowing. I mean they'd be out 132 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:47.080 in the hallways, in that jury box, out in the 133 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:53.279 audience sometimes. My point is they were extremely active, and 134 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:58.919 I know those guys, and they were proactively policing, not 135 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:03.039 in an inappropriate way whatsoever. I remember there was a 136 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.600 problem on Fountain Square back then. Well you know, they 137 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:11.320 turned the police loose down there, and guess what problem solved. 138 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:15.679 It was cleaned up with arrest and again mainly juveniles. 139 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:20.240 But here's what I hear from young police officers today. 140 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:25.200 If you police proactively and you look the wrong way 141 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:31.279 at someone, or you you know, unintentionally talk to someone 142 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.360 in a way that they don't like to be talked to, 143 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.559 that's it. Then you're in the jackpot. You're in trouble 144 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.279 and you can't have that. And again, I'm not advocating 145 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:44.440 for anyone, any police officer to violate any rights or 146 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:48.240 break any law, but we have to have we have 147 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.799 to have aggressive, proactive policing if you want to clean 148 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:57.159 these messes up, and Exhibit A is over the Rhine. 149 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.320 The city's got to support these cops who do this. 150 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:06.519 They've got this citizen's complaint authority, and you know, I 151 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.480 guess it's something that's needed. That was a creation that 152 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:12.600 came into being. I believe after those two thousand and 153 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:17.120 two riots. From everything I've seen, in everything that I've heard, 154 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:21.879 they're kind of biased against the police. And I'm not 155 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.919 saying get rid of it, although I think we could 156 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.320 certainly live without it in this city. But the PD 157 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.919 just needs to back the police officers on those things. So, 158 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:37.080 I mean, that's proactive policing. The other thing they're proposing, 159 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:39.840 and again I'm looking forward to asking Ken Kober about this, 160 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:43.480 are drones. They're going to have a squad of police 161 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.919 officers with drones. Now, I don't know that that's going 162 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.799 to help break up any fights or homicide or anything 163 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.399 like that, but at least the cops will have an 164 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.320 eye on something. I don't know how they're going to 165 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:00.600 do that yet, but at least they're thinking. So again, 166 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.919 it's a problem. And I'm telling you, and you might say, well, 167 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.919 I don't live in the city of Cincinnati, or I 168 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.240 do live in the city of Cincinnati. I don't go 169 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:14.279 down to TQL Stadium to watch FC Cincinnati. I don't 170 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:17.600 go downtown to the restaurants and bars down there and 171 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.039 over the Rhine. So I don't care. That's not a 172 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.960 good position to take because the overall health of the 173 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:27.679 city in the surrounding area is something very very important. 174 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:30.559 So they got to get a handle on this thing, 175 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.519 and I guess we'll have to see how it all 176 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.559 works out. Anyway, we got to take a break, but 177 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.559 I'll be back. Mike Allen in for Willie seven hundred, 178 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:47.919 WLW twelve twenty seven News Radio seven hundred Mike Allen 179 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:53.240 in for Willie Cunningham today. Hey, during the break, I 180 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:56.519 got a flash on my phone. Aaron Glenn of the 181 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.720 Cincinnati Inquirer reports that Haimon't County commissioners approved new lease 182 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:06.480 terms for paid Corpse Stadium, with one commissioner abstaining. Hamilt 183 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:11.360 County commission President Denise Treehouse and Commissioner Stephanie Summerl Dumas 184 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.440 voted yes on the lease terms. Commissioner Alisha Reese abstained. 185 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.919 So that's interesting, and again we get some time we 186 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.960 can talk in a little more detail about it. But 187 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.080 call it Alice, call it agreement whatever. It was approved 188 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.399 by two of the three commissioners, and that's all you need. Hey, 189 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.360 during the break, I just kind of played around a 190 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:36.840 little bit and we talked about those drones the Inquirer. 191 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:42.240 I hope they appreciate me using them. This afternoon article 192 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.240 by David Ferrara with respect to their drones just key points. 193 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.159 Cincinnati Police have launched a drone program to assist with 194 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.440 investigations and respond to calls for service. The goal is 195 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.639 to have ninety percent of the city covered by drones 196 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.960 by the end of twenty twenty five. Drones will be 197 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.159 used by a new task Okay, that's probably that task 198 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.879 force I was talking about. Drones will be used by 199 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:10.000 a new task force to combat a recent rise in crime, 200 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:16.240 particularly among youth. Officials address privacy concerns, stating drones will 201 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:19.320 not be overhead twenty four to seven and will have 202 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:23.480 strict usage guidelines. I don't know, you know, as I 203 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:26.279 sit here, I like it. I mean, at the end 204 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.080 of the day, I don't know how it can hurt. 205 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.279 And you do have to be concerned about privacy, but 206 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.320 not to the point where, well, if some cop somewhere 207 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.039 is going to peep into somebody's bedroom, we're not going 208 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.600 to do it at all. Let's just forget about it. No, 209 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.240 and I'm not saying anybody would do that. This is 210 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.759 a good idea as I sit here now, and again 211 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:50.480 we'll ask Ken Kober about it at one o'clock. So 212 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:52.840 I don't know, it looks like the city is doing 213 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.080 something that's quite innovative. I don't know if any other 214 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.120 cities do that. Hey, we got to take a break 215 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:59.720 for the news. But when we get back, we're going 216 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:03.559 to talk to former Vice mayor and former chair of 217 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:06.919 the Law and Public Safety Committee at City Council, Christopher 218 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.919 Smithman about this topic. And we'll do that when we 219 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:20.879 get back. Mike Allen seven hundred WLW twelve thirty eight 220 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:26.679 News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in for Willie. Well, 221 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.639 like I said in the intro, there's a lot more 222 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:34.519 crime downtown and the city and Police Department had a 223 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:38.200 press conference on Tuesday to trot out some ideas that 224 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.480 they have. Some I think are good, some may be 225 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.559 not so good. But there are just a lot of 226 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.919 things going on downtown, many of them not good. Here 227 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.279 to talk about it is former Vice mayor of the 228 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:52.639 City of Cincinnati and former chair of the Law and 229 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:57.080 Public Safety Committee. He's a long time financial advisor talking 230 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:02.080 about Christopher Smithman. Christopher, thanks for calling in the this afternoon. Hey, 231 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.279 thank you so much, my pleasure. Hey, you and I talked. 232 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.440 I think we talked about it on my Saturday show 233 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.759 a while back. Christopher, the crime problem downtown again, you 234 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.120 are chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee. What 235 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.919 can city council do about that? And do you think 236 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:20.840 they're engaged? 237 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.840 So the answer to that question is no, I don't 238 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.360 think City Hall is engaged. And I think the question 239 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:33.840 becomes where is. 240 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:34.600 Our mayor. 241 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:36.399 Right? 242 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:43.200 And we have violence in downtown and our core and 243 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.799 it's very difficult to understand what the plan is to 244 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:51.000 address youth violence in downtown. 245 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.000 I don't know if you saw there's a racial component 246 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:55.159 to it there. 247 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.080 I just to be honest, about an address. 248 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:02.679 Did you hear about the press conference tuesday that the 249 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.200 city had what I did? Okay, I take it from 250 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.320 what you're saying, you're not really impressed by it. 251 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:18.679 I'm not because we have fifty two neighborhoods, and you know, 252 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:24.360 you are a former police officer, former Hamilton County prosecutor, 253 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:31.720 and you understand that if we're not doing proactive policing, 254 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:39.200 meaning our officers feel comfortable walking up to a youth, 255 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:44.919 whether they're African American or white, whether the officer is 256 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.600 white or African American, and they have an understanding that 257 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.960 city Hall will back them up if they don't feel 258 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:57.720 that we don't have proactive policing. We have laws on 259 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:03.960 the book regarding purfew as an example. So if you 260 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:09.200 see a youth downtown at ten o'clock and you ask 261 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.599 our visible police officer in uniform, how are they going 262 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:19.759 to handle that? I don't think there's clarity. I also 263 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.079 believe that our violent crime squad, which you know, Mike Allen, 264 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:30.799 is out of uniform. Right, that's not a deterrent because 265 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:35.960 they're typically coming in to mopping up. They're responding to 266 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:41.680 something that somebody was attacked. But that officer in uniform 267 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.880 with a cruiser is a deterrent. 268 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:45.960 No question. 269 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.759 And so I'm not satisfied that between the time of 270 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:55.480 eleven o'clock at night or ten o'clock at night until 271 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.359 three o'clock in the morning that if a citizen goes 272 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:04.039 in the downtow, going to the aeronofs, going down on 273 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.759 the square, that they're gonna be safe. 274 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.279 And obviously, Christopher, that's a huge, huge problem, especially as 275 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.839 it relates to OTR. I mean, I went down there. 276 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:17.599 I think I told you this a couple of weeks ago. 277 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.799 It went the COAFC game and then walked around down 278 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.799 there after. I mean, it's incredible what they have done 279 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:26.799 down there. I don't know if it's three c DC, 280 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.599 the city, whatever, doesn't matter, but that's a jewel and 281 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:34.480 we're gonna lose it if we keep having this violent crime, 282 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.160 not only just there but mainly there, but in the 283 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.960 city as well. One of the things, Christopher, that I 284 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.599 know would help, obviously are more cops. As I understand 285 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:47.880 that I'm gonna ask Ken Kober about this when we 286 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.720 talk to him. As I understand that they have about 287 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:55.319 one hundred and fifty slots committed. I don't know how 288 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.000 soon they're going to fill them. They're also gonna go 289 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.880 with lateral transfers, which makes a lot of sense. That's 290 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.839 where let's just say a Dell, Hi Police officer already trained, 291 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.519 already sworn in UH can get the job I think 292 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.279 with a minimal amount of time at the Cincinnati Police Academy. 293 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:14.319 But I don't know. If they don't true, if they 294 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:19.200 don't do something quickly, they're going to lose that gem. 295 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:24.920 So we had thirty seven police officers who just came 296 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.440 out of the academy, and I want to say that 297 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:32.799 we have the best training in the state of Ohio. 298 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:38.079 You know, Colubs has a closed training, Cincinnati has a 299 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:42.119 closed training, So you can come from a lateral place, 300 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:45.240 Mike Allen, but you still have to go through our training. 301 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.160 But I don't think it's the full vote. But it's 302 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:48.759 some training. 303 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:53.319 Yeah, you're right, it's some training. But and I'm not 304 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:59.279 saying something bad about the lateral moves. We need more officers. 305 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:06.319 But right now, if our current officers don't believe that 306 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:10.279 city Hall is going to back them up, you got 307 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:16.000 a white officer approaching an African American youth. They're using 308 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:21.400 de escalation language, and that officer decides I'm not going 309 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:23.119 to pull out my weapon, but I'm going to pull 310 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:28.960 out my kaser and they caase that youth. They don't 311 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:30.839 believe that city hall is going to back them up 312 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:31.440 my calendar. 313 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:35.920 That's a problem. I have no doubt about that, Christopher none. 314 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.119 And so how do we how do we have a 315 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:46.559 mayor and nine members of council who are saying we're 316 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:53.240 going to do overtime, whether it's TVO. We've got fifty 317 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:57.599 two neighborhoods. You went to Elder. You have a great 318 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:01.160 understanding of what war Staw you used to look like. Oh, 319 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:02.440 and what it looks like today. 320 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:03.200 It's horrible. 321 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:08.920 We understand that of Elder and Seatan that we're going 322 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:12.880 to pull out. What do you think would happened to 323 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:13.400 Price here? 324 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.960 Oh jeez, I'll tell you what. Well, Number one, there'd 325 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.279 be a riot of eldergrads because nobody would be for that. 326 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:24.319 But you're right. I moved back to the west side, Christopher, 327 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:28.400 not Price Hill. But I mean I drive through there 328 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.680 a lot and it breaks my heart what has happened 329 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.680 up there. I mean that's where my family, Dad, Grandpa, 330 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.400 all them came from and again it's just I think 331 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:44.960 symptomatic of not having aggressive policing, proactive policing. You hit 332 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:46.960 the nail on the head with that one man. And 333 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.559 let me just tell you a story. I mentioned this before. 334 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:53.920 From about nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty nine, I 335 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.599 was an assistant city prosecutor. I mean thisial court every day, 336 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:04.160 prosecuting misdemeanor cases. And there were cops everywhere in municipal 337 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.960 court back in those days, Christopher, I mean they were 338 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.119 kind of out in the hallways and everything else. I 339 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:14.759 think now in municipal court they have about half the 340 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:19.160 cases that they used to have back then. And I'm 341 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.400 hearing that the reason is is these young police officers 342 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.279 they don't want to stick their necks out because they're 343 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:29.359 afraid what will happen is exactly what you've been talking about, 344 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.240 no backing from the city. 345 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.759 Correct. And the reason I'm highlighting this is we have 346 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:45.480 an election in November for mayor and a first city council. Now, 347 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.759 if the fifty two neighborhoods say they're going to vote 348 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:53.680 for the same people vote for the same mayor, please 349 00:22:53.839 --> 00:23:00.759 don't expect crime to drop. You have to elect a 350 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:07.480 mayor who the police department respects that if I am 351 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:12.039 out here and I run into a situation, I follow 352 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:18.119 my training protocol. I use my de escalation language, but 353 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.359 that youth pulled something on me, and I use deadly 354 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.559 forced that the mayor and the nine members of council 355 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.079 have their backs. They don't feel that way right now, 356 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:30.599 Mike Callum. 357 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:31.200 They don't. 358 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.440 They don't they and they need and they need to 359 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:38.599 have leadership like myself to articulate this to the fifty 360 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:44.440 two neighborhoods, to say, if you don't elect somebody who 361 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.079 sends the message. Matter of fact, if you ask the mayor, 362 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:49.880 when's the last time you've been to a roll call, 363 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.680 when's the last time you've been doing a ride a law, 364 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:56.039 when's the last time you did a press conference? And 365 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.160 you let use you use the language and said, I 366 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:03.839 support my police, I support my police chief. We need 367 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:09.079 proactive policing. I need you downtown. I realized that the 368 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.480 violent crime Squad is there out of uniform, but I'm 369 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:16.799 going to have I'm going to have officers there in uniform, 370 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:21.559 and they're going to be supporting and enforcing the laws 371 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.400 on the books, like our curfew and when we run 372 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:31.920 into a problem, I have your back, crime's going to drop. 373 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.039 Well, I think that's exactly what they have to do. 374 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.960 Whether they're going to do it or not, I don't know. Again, 375 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.119 you know, talking to those young officers when I was 376 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:46.200 there in court a lot, they don't Again, they just 377 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.240 don't want to stick their neck out because they want 378 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.200 to keep their job. Another thing, too, Christopher and I 379 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.119 know we've talked about this too, is the retention problem. 380 00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:57.599 I'll tell you what that absolutely floors me. I mean, 381 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.319 back in the seventies when we had to take test 382 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:02.079 twice because we got laid off, we had to take 383 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.880 it again. There were three four thousand people down at 384 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.480 convention center going for a couple one hundred jobs. I mean, 385 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:14.160 and now you practically have to beg for them to 386 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.519 become police officers. And one of the other problems we 387 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:22.319 talked about this you and I qualified immunity and removing 388 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:27.279 qualified immunity for police officers. Good luck trying to find 389 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.279 anybody that wants to do that job. Just real quickly. 390 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.240 Qualified immunity is if an officer acts in good faith 391 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:38.799 but makes a mistake, they're not going to be charged criminally. 392 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.440 There is a move afoot. I think it's going to 393 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:43.799 be on the ballot in November to do that. And 394 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.200 let me tell you, the cops know about it, and 395 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.680 we got to defeat that thing. 396 00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:57.319 On. So let's be clear here again that you have 397 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:03.480 an election, Mike Allan here, and so I'm supporting Corey 398 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:09.960 Bowman over the current mayor. I'm supporting a young lady 399 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:14.319 by the name of Linda Matthews. And I say that 400 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.720 in respect that her team is listening, meaning she's a 401 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:23.160