Speaker 1: Wigan handed. The Nights are spanking York missed tackles, they
Speaker 1: have to be thanking the wire. I had a night
Speaker 1: to forget lead to worth a title winning bet. Sorry
Speaker 1: about last week's podcast break. We did that for John's
Speaker 1: domestics sake. Welcome to episode twenty five of Super League
Speaker 1: three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top tier of
Speaker 1: British rugby league, but we do some other things as well,
Speaker 1: and we will be doing today. My name is Lee
Speaker 1: Addison and my name is John Davidson. You were busy
Speaker 1: last week, John, that was yeah. I just had some
Speaker 1: time off, a bit of a quiet one. I'm a
Speaker 1: coach in Australia, Johnny's journal in the UK. But please
Speaker 1: read previous Sorry, listen to previous episodes or read the
Speaker 1: descriptions to find out exactly who we are. Otherwise, this
Speaker 1: podcast will be three hours long. This is also being
Speaker 1: aired on Rugby League dot Com. Thank you to those guys,
Speaker 1: and you can watch it on YouTube on Rugby League
Speaker 1: Coach Rugby League tweet of the Week. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give it to Steve mask Aad and Paul Schoolthorpe the
Speaker 1: ninety the eighteen ninety five Cup final, Steve Massquad said,
Speaker 1: is going to lose a shitload of money unless they
Speaker 1: get the venue for free. Monday Witness versus London Rugby
Speaker 1: League is a broke sport. The Championship has no broadcast deal.
Speaker 1: The idea that they would hire a venue in Birmingham
Speaker 1: or something has no relation to reality. Steve was having
Speaker 1: a bit of a ramp there. John, Yeah, I he
Speaker 1: was on fire this morning. I did a commented one
Speaker 1: of the tweets saying are you fired up?
Speaker 2: How you fired up? Mate? And he didn't respond That's
Speaker 2: how far up he was. But yeah, he was. He
Speaker 2: was a man on a mission on social media today
Speaker 2: or yesterday?
Speaker 1: Yesterday it was your time. It wasn't today because I've
Speaker 1: seen it. What was it about? What's his eighteen ninety five?
Speaker 1: I haven't got well.
Speaker 2: Effectively, they've finally announced where the final will be played,
Speaker 2: which is at Warrington. I think obviously it's Witness Speed
Speaker 2: London in the final. I think a lot of London
Speaker 2: fans are unhappy obviously that they'll have to travel that
Speaker 2: far to a ground which is obviously very close to Witness. Look,
Speaker 2: we could probably do a whole podcast on the eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety five Cup.
Speaker 1: But I think, why don't you explain what it is
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, first of all, because we've
Speaker 1: got a lot of listeners in Australia who want have
Speaker 1: a clue.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it was invented, I'm going to say six. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's effectively a competition for all the clubs outside of
Speaker 2: Super League, so for the Championship, well for the Championship
Speaker 2: in League One clubs, which is now just the Championship
Speaker 2: clubs because there is no League One. And the idea
Speaker 2: of it was have it at Wembley the same day
Speaker 2: as the Challenge Cup final. It's an opportunity for you know,
Speaker 2: these clubs that look no chance in hell of getting
Speaker 2: to a Challenge Cup final, but they could have their
Speaker 2: day in the sun at Wembley. Now, part of the
Speaker 2: problem has always been that it had to be played
Speaker 2: because of the scheduling of the day. It had to
Speaker 2: be played after the final, so literally there'd be two
Speaker 2: thousand people in Wembley after the main game left to
Speaker 2: watch it. So that never really worked and so they've
Speaker 2: taken that away because of the cost. This year, for
Speaker 2: some reason, they've decided to had have a public holiday
Speaker 2: on a Monday. I think it's three pm or two
Speaker 2: pm a day after the last Championship round of games
Speaker 2: regularly the games, which is weird, and now they're having
Speaker 2: at Warrington now yeah, I mean, I think Steve's just
Speaker 2: been very blunt with some facts there which won't go
Speaker 2: down well with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And was it a late announcement or something like that.
Speaker 2: I think it was announced last week at some point
Speaker 2: they'd only announced that the date of the final was
Speaker 2: on that Monday in August at the end of August,
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, which also didn't go down well.
Speaker 2: So it also doesn't have a naming right sponsor, so
Speaker 2: it did. It used to be sponsored by ab Sundex,
Speaker 2: which is Derek Beaumont's company, and he stopped sponsoring it
Speaker 2: at the end of last year. So it's a competition,
Speaker 2: a cup to be honest, without a lot of value,
Speaker 2: no sponsor, no media coverage, no TV deal. And also
Speaker 2: I believe the IMG points that you previously if you'd
Speaker 2: won it, you don't get any either this year. So
Speaker 2: why we're still persisting with this I really don't know.
Speaker 2: Then there was another one. There's a late entry. Paul
Speaker 2: skull for MBA. No less, this is a dreadful advert
Speaker 2: for super League full stop, terrible, full stop. What was
Speaker 2: he talking about though, He was talking about the Sint
Speaker 2: Helens Alsfield game today, which which Sint Helens won pretty comfortably.
Speaker 2: What I found interesting is that I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know Paul. I've never spoken to him, interviewed him.
Speaker 2: But obviously he was a great player, wasn't he a
Speaker 2: great Britain regular, probably one of the best English players
Speaker 2: of the last thirty years. Yeah, and obviously some of
Speaker 2: Helen's legend. He's been and he's been a pundit for
Speaker 2: a while. He's, you know, sometimes on Sky. He's been
Speaker 2: particularly scathing in recent months about St Helens, about their recruitment,
Speaker 2: and I do wonder because he's previously not been like
Speaker 2: this before, whether he's you know, he's got issue with
Speaker 2: the coach or how they deal with Paul Wellens, or
Speaker 2: just the direction of the club. It's really interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he didn't. He didn't pointy punches, did he with that?
Speaker 2: With that?
Speaker 1: No, Johnny tweet of the week is actually a retweet.
Speaker 1: I've not given you the honor of one of your
Speaker 1: tweets being the tweet of the week this week, but
Speaker 1: it was the random South guy. Rarely disappoints because I
Speaker 1: just want to talk about that concept of the random
Speaker 1: Seuths guy. I'm sure I saw him at the Capital
Speaker 1: Insurrection on January the sixth in twenty twenty or whenever
Speaker 1: it was. He does literally seem to pop up everywhere,
Speaker 1: the random suth guy. Now, the random South guy isn't
Speaker 1: one guy, is it. It's anybody in a South shirt.
Speaker 1: And a lot of this came up prior to AI
Speaker 1: being so good that you could just do these things
Speaker 1: on a whim. So why do South Jerseys keep popping
Speaker 1: up everywhere? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of a phenomenon. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what you could say. One of the oldest clubs
Speaker 2: in Australia and have won more Premierships than the other
Speaker 2: and have got a very large fan base, but they
Speaker 2: do pop up everywhere from World Cup soccer to wimbled
Speaker 2: and yeah, they probably would have been one at the
Speaker 2: JFK assassination in Dealley Plaza in nineteen sixty three. You
Speaker 2: sayim in WrestleMania, Yeah it is. It always is a
Speaker 2: tackle when you see one of a global event. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have two theories, one being the role of Russell
Speaker 1: Crowe in the fact that his own club now being
Speaker 1: an owner of the club for I think two decades now,
Speaker 1: so you know, that would mean the Jerseys just slip
Speaker 1: into places retail wise that others don't. Secondly, the design,
Speaker 1: I mean the design pretty much hasn't changed, right, so
Speaker 1: and it stands out and it's plain, and it's it's
Speaker 1: quite iconic. So Thirdly, I think when they got kicked
Speaker 1: out the competition all those years ago, I think some
Speaker 1: people just spread, like Yoda in Star Wars just went
Speaker 1: into isolation, just went into exile. I think so many
Speaker 1: South people did, and and that's why they're popping up
Speaker 1: in all these places. So if you see a random
Speaker 1: South sky, please take a picture. Sorry, go on, I
Speaker 1: was just going to say, just on that with the
Speaker 1: Russell crow thing.
Speaker 2: I do remember there was a phase I think in
Speaker 2: the early two thousands we always had Hollywood A listers
Speaker 2: at games wearing South Jersey. It's like Tom Cruise, Snoop Dogg,
Speaker 2: I think, Pamela Anderson.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that's plan to helped, you know, to
Speaker 1: the to the masses as well. Yeah, that would have
Speaker 1: definitely helped. Now I want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: the super League table and the difference with the NRL table. Well,
Speaker 1: I just put my coffee from my takeaway cup into
Speaker 1: my normal cup. The super League table, John is a
Speaker 1: lot easier to read because you don't get points for
Speaker 1: a buye. Well, there's no there's no buys first of all.
Speaker 1: But in the NRL ladder you have to do a
Speaker 1: quick calculation because they get two points for a buye.
Speaker 1: Why in the NRL do we give two points for
Speaker 1: a buye?
Speaker 2: I don't actually know the reasoning for that. That's a
Speaker 2: good question.
Speaker 1: That's a really good segment that we've just put together.
Speaker 1: There on a whim, Leeds Rhos the top of the ladder.
Speaker 1: And the reason this is so easy to read is
Speaker 1: because I can look and see played fifteen. Yeah, twelve, okay,
Speaker 1: so Leeds are on twenty four points, Warrington still in
Speaker 1: second on twenty two, but they've only played fourteen. Who
Speaker 1: k are have only played fourteen and they're right up
Speaker 1: there now in twenty on twenty points, so their resurrection
Speaker 1: is well underway. Everyone else has actually played fifteen, So
Speaker 1: wiggan Aer in fourth on twenty, Wakefielder in fifth on twenty.
Speaker 1: Saint Helen's are in sixth on twenty, so that's the
Speaker 1: top six. Lee Leopard's in seventh on sixteen, Catalans on sixteen.
Speaker 1: Another resurrection under JC? How often is the resurrection under JC?
Speaker 2: Have to ask?
Speaker 1: That's John cart right for those wondering his old club. Sorry,
Speaker 1: cas for Tigers are in ninth. That's good from them.
Speaker 1: They're in twelfth. They've they've snuck up jc's old club
Speaker 1: all left. C are in tenth on ten points, Bradford
Speaker 1: Bulls eleventh on ten to lose in twelfth on eight
Speaker 1: York Nights thirteenth on six Huddersfield Giants rock bottom on four.
Speaker 1: Thing that sticks out for me, John, is how condensed
Speaker 1: things are in the top six. So a'll just play
Speaker 1: four their secondly, look at our promoted clubs propping up
Speaker 1: the table with the exception of Huddersfield Giants who are
Speaker 1: propping them all up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's you could say, at the top
Speaker 2: of the league. It's kind of a full way about
Speaker 2: at the moment leads at top. You know, we're in
Speaker 2: the whole car being in great form. The last what five, six,
Speaker 2: seven weeks. Leeds are being pretty consistent all season. Warrington
Speaker 2: had been fairly consistent all season, Wakefield picking up some
Speaker 2: momentum and Lee picking up somementums and Helen's have one today,
Speaker 2: but I think they'd lost something like forward their last
Speaker 2: five before that, so I don't think we'll see a
Speaker 2: lot of change. I wouldn't surprise me to see Lee
Speaker 2: move Saint Helen's out of that top six, but there'll
Speaker 2: be some interesting tis to come. Obviously, Magic Weekend in
Speaker 2: two weeks as well at Everton, so yeah, looking forward
Speaker 2: to that one.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you've told me when Magic Weekend is because
Speaker 1: I just had a panic. I had a panic when
Speaker 1: I get to the fixture section. I had a panic
Speaker 1: that was going to read out all these pictures and
Speaker 1: then go it's Magic Weekend this weekend. So I had
Speaker 1: a look at googled Magic Weekend super League and you know,
Speaker 1: I might be wrong. I've only scanned it quite significantly.
Speaker 1: The link to the Betfred League Magic Weekend stuff doesn't
Speaker 1: tell you when the date is.
Speaker 2: That's not ideal.
Speaker 1: Right at the bottom, it says on Sunday, the fifth
Speaker 1: of July. Jax Jones who has over nine million global streams. Now,
Speaker 1: it doesn't tell you that magic weekend is that weekend though,
Speaker 1: so anybody with autism, for example, would genuinely think, well,
Speaker 1: all that's happening that weekend iss a fellow called Jax
Speaker 1: Jones in at the Hill Dickinson Stadium. So yeah, not ideal.
Speaker 1: We will go through the details of the games later.
Speaker 1: But one of the topics you've brought up, Johnny, Saint
Speaker 1: Helen's struggles now, as you know for ever on the
Speaker 1: various podcasts we've done, I've said Paul Rowley struggles to
Speaker 1: coach defense, but it seems as a bit more going
Speaker 1: on at Saint Helen's than poor defense.
Speaker 2: Talk us through it, Yeah, I mean, I think the
Speaker 2: second half against Warrington last week was a bit of
Speaker 2: an eye open. I mean, obviously today they've beaten the
Speaker 2: worst team in the camp.
Speaker 1: What happened last week, john Because we didn't do a podcast,
Speaker 1: did we saw some people no no.
Speaker 2: Against Warrington had a bit of a second and half
Speaker 2: collapse and Warrington came over the top of them. I think,
Speaker 2: I mean, watching them a lot, they do seem to
Speaker 2: struggle a little bit like New so Well instead of
Speaker 2: rogerin game two. They do seem to struggle to create
Speaker 2: opportunities in attack. They seem quite one dimensional. Now they've
Speaker 2: kind of struggled in getting Jack Wellsby back to top
Speaker 2: form and finding a spot for Tristan Saylor in their lineup.
Speaker 2: They have had a lot of injuries this year, but
Speaker 2: it just doesn't really seem particularly that fluid. Now Carl
Speaker 2: Phelp's gone as well, returning back to OZ so just
Speaker 2: from the outside looking in, the club just doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to be very united in what's going on. The fans
Speaker 2: are quite unhappy and restless. Yeah, it's a bit of
Speaker 2: a mess. I mean, as Paul Sculthorpe tweeted, you know,
Speaker 2: one of probably Sinahan's greatest ever players. You know, things
Speaker 2: don't seem to be right at the club of a moment.
Speaker 2: And that's a huming that's who he's talking about. I mean,
Speaker 2: he doesn't really make it clear, does he. And he's
Speaker 2: tweeting so.
Speaker 1: At Castleford there's some changes going on there. Do you
Speaker 1: want to enlighten us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite a bit of roster change. Now
Speaker 2: the latest news last week or this week he's been
Speaker 2: Jason Gary Gary. Now they announced that he had re
Speaker 2: signed with with Cass. He's been in really really good form,
Speaker 2: scoring tries for fun in the last month or two. Now.
Speaker 2: My understanding, having spoken to people at York and Castleford
Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks, is that he'd actually
Speaker 2: signed for York to join York next year, but had
Speaker 2: a change of heart and wanted to stay Cass, and
Speaker 2: there is talk that Cass may have actually paid a
Speaker 2: transfer fee to York to to keep him for next year.
Speaker 2: Now no one Cass would comment on this. York didn't
Speaker 2: respond by calls that, but that is the specially of
Speaker 2: speculation is the out there and he is. My understanding
Speaker 2: that he had signed with with York, so a bit
Speaker 2: of a weird one because obviously he's a cast local junior,
Speaker 2: not particularly old, but he has he's having a great season.
Speaker 2: But there is a wider movement at castle players. Tom
Speaker 2: Weavers going to be going at the end of the year.
Speaker 2: I believe Joe Westerman also won't be resigned. There's a
Speaker 2: few others there. Alex Maller I believe as well. And
Speaker 2: obviously we've talked in other podcasts about the signings that
Speaker 2: Cass are making. Damian Cook. There's a lot of talk
Speaker 2: about Tyrell Sloan from the Dragons also coming to cass. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the cast coach, Ryan Carr, was an assistant coach at
Speaker 2: Sinjohnora last year. They've already signed Tyler Tyler Duprie. They've
Speaker 2: already signed Robbie Moulhearn from Leafing. Next year, they've signed
Speaker 2: Pot from Catlin. So a huge bit of change of
Speaker 2: Cast and I have turned the corner a bit in
Speaker 2: recent weeks. So I think if you're a Caste fan,
Speaker 2: they obviously had a good win over to lose this weekend.
Speaker 2: I think if you're a cast fine, you're looking a
Speaker 2: little bit more positive than things were, you know, a
Speaker 2: month or two ago.
Speaker 1: I think again, if you listen to us historically, there
Speaker 1: were some of the defeats where you and I both said, oh,
Speaker 1: not bad from Casts, and they're better than that. And
Speaker 1: there was a period where they were a bit bipolar.
Speaker 1: One week they'd be really good, the week after they'd
Speaker 1: be they'd be not so great. And then I assume
Speaker 1: as things have settled out and panned out and settled down,
Speaker 1: they're now starting to come good and things are getting
Speaker 1: a bit more solidified and Obviously Ryan Carr has got
Speaker 1: his feet well and true under the table. I feel
Speaker 1: like we've brushed past it. It's something that you and
Speaker 1: I have been quite heavy on since inception, so we're
Speaker 1: not being wise after the fact. But we're going to
Speaker 1: get to York getting absolutely battered soon. I mentioned it
Speaker 1: in the opening exchanges of this pod, and those three
Speaker 1: promoted sides are only being propped up by Huddersfield at
Speaker 1: the moment. What's the genuine feeling about the quality of
Speaker 1: Super League at the moment? And the quality of Super
Speaker 1: League can be two things. It can be the quality
Speaker 1: of the play on the field, i e. The standard,
Speaker 1: and the other thing it can be is the entertainment value.
Speaker 1: When I do scroll on social media or my rugby
Speaker 1: league coach Twitter, it tends to be overly negative from fans,
Speaker 1: and I do know that British rugby league fans can
Speaker 1: be overly negative sometimes. What's the general feel that you're
Speaker 1: finding in terms of the quality of the competition with
Speaker 1: the fact that we've added two new sides and technically
Speaker 1: three new sides because Salford dropped out and there was
Speaker 1: an extra third team. Quinn, where are we at? John? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's difficult to answer a part because obviously
Speaker 2: I can give my opinion, my take and look, I
Speaker 2: think I wrote I see someone retweeted it today. You know,
Speaker 2: I wrote back in I think it was June last
Speaker 2: year about you know, they were going to bring in
Speaker 2: new teams and this is likely to be disaster because
Speaker 2: we don't have the playerpool, you know, and obviously to
Speaker 2: lose to New York weren't given the full distribution, so
Speaker 2: I can't recruit to the same extent anyway until this
Speaker 2: also have to pay close to a million quid in
Speaker 2: travel costs. So personally, I think there's been some high
Speaker 2: points in some games, you know, the World Club Challenge
Speaker 2: for example. You know, I think there's been positives, the
Speaker 2: return of Bradford. Overall, I think has been good. But
Speaker 2: the flip side is, you know, we don't have in
Speaker 2: the UK, we don't have enough players for fourteen teams.
Speaker 2: I don't think we had enough good players for twelve teams,
Speaker 2: and I think that was evident last year with what
Speaker 2: happened on the field. Now by increasing the quota, what
Speaker 2: we're getting now instead of we're getting top tier NRL
Speaker 2: players who are either unable to get regular games in
Speaker 2: the NRL, or who wanted to change, or who were
Speaker 2: maybe in the last year or two of their careers.
Speaker 2: We're now getting people who have never been any near
Speaker 2: an NRL club or you know, no chance of really
Speaker 2: just regular reserve graders. Now some of those you get
Speaker 2: and they turn out to be diamonds and the rough
Speaker 2: and some developed late and other ones are just clearly
Speaker 2: not good enough. And I think you know that shows
Speaker 2: if you're a purist, that shows on the field in
Speaker 2: terms of entertainment fact that we have had some entertaining games.
Speaker 2: But I really found this was interesting. What was a
Speaker 2: two three? He probably two weeks ago Steve Masko did
Speaker 2: an interview a story with Michael Chamis, who was over
Speaker 2: just before the Challenge Cup final in the UK, obviously
Speaker 2: scouting for the P and G Chiefs that he works
Speaker 2: for and holding meetings with the Worthy Peters. And that
Speaker 2: was the round where Wigan obviously rested their whole team
Speaker 2: and what a whole health care I beat them by
Speaker 2: what was the sixty odd whatever it was, And he
Speaker 2: made some comments just saying, look, you know, an NRL deal,
Speaker 2: an NRL investment in Super League would be great because
Speaker 2: it would lift the whole competition standard, it would help
Speaker 2: you know, clubs, and you know that it would make
Speaker 2: the competition more competitive each game. Now, the reaction to
Speaker 2: that story on Facebook on Twitter was basically, you know,
Speaker 2: super League's more competitive in the NRL.
Speaker 1: And you know what is this as you know, he's
Speaker 1: an idiot, that's what your mind. That's why you can
Speaker 1: predict to the top six are going to be five
Speaker 1: minutes into the competition. That yeah, in t that is yeah, only.
Speaker 2: Five teams have one Super League in what years haven't they? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Now it was quite predictable. The interesting thing for me,
Speaker 2: and I haven't listened to the full podcast yet because
Speaker 2: I've been a bit busy, but Brian McDermott's interview with
Speaker 2: James Graham on the by Round and effectively Brian McDermott
Speaker 2: said the same thing. Now we didn't say the same words,
Speaker 2: but the NRL is much more competitive week in, week
Speaker 2: out and Super League there are more athletes, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Andy said other things. But there's no outcry
Speaker 2: about Brian McDermott saying it because he's English. But if
Speaker 2: it criticizes, well not even criticize the English game just
Speaker 2: has an honest, truthful opinion. People whose time. But there
Speaker 2: is a very defensive mentality. I mean I've seen it.
Speaker 2: When I've said things, people get their back up because
Speaker 2: you can't have a foreigner criticize an English product.
Speaker 1: Well it's the whole thing to mean. As your friend,
Speaker 1: I can get it.
Speaker 2: You get at the reverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well as my friend I can. As
Speaker 1: my friend, I can slag you off. But if anyone
Speaker 1: else slags you off, I jumped to your I jump
Speaker 1: to your your defense.
Speaker 2: Look, John Whyle, you get it on your social when
Speaker 2: you talk about the NRL to who's this English?
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. I've just done some very very very
Speaker 1: quick assessments of score lines, right and very base. I
Speaker 1: mean I've done a quick scan of which games have
Speaker 1: been tight and which ones haven't. Right so far in June,
Speaker 1: and bear in mind we're recording in at the start
Speaker 1: of the fourth week. I think there's about twelve of
Speaker 1: twenty fixtures so far that have been one sided. So
Speaker 1: that's my knowledge of what a rugby league score line is.
Speaker 1: You know, So twenty two four is one sided, right,
Speaker 1: There's been one significant winner, for example, but there's bigger
Speaker 1: scores than that. In May, there was nine in the
Speaker 1: whole month. So what we're getting now is some some
Speaker 1: difficulty dealing with this, with this fixture congestion, if you like,
Speaker 1: or the regularity of fixtures in April. Just scanning because
Speaker 1: I've not got time to really go into detail, it
Speaker 1: looks like April was the worst month. So what that
Speaker 1: suggests to me is back in April, some teams are
Speaker 1: really struggling with the pace of the game, and then
Speaker 1: they've sort of adjusted things in training to get their
Speaker 1: energy back and to survive, and then they've picked up
Speaker 1: a little bit again in May, and then it's starting
Speaker 1: to collapse again in June. So and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this from a from a coaching perspective, from a you know,
Speaker 1: if I was the coach of a team trying to
Speaker 1: trying to get a team through this phase, how would
Speaker 1: I manage them? How would I how would I how
Speaker 1: would I look at them in terms of in terms
Speaker 1: of load management with all these games that they've got going.
Speaker 1: So obviously these teams are really struggling with this, and
Speaker 1: obviously the worse you are as a player, and that
Speaker 1: sounds really horrible. The way have said it, but the
Speaker 1: less talented you are as a player, it's probably a
Speaker 1: result in part to the way you are professional or
Speaker 1: not professional. So the way you approach your professionalism is
Speaker 1: not going to lend itself to playing games week in
Speaker 1: week out against superior opposition. And then secondly, the quality
Speaker 1: of the player that we've got there is also making
Speaker 1: the games harder too, because you're playing against teams that
Speaker 1: are flogging you basically. So look, I think there's so
Speaker 1: many problems, and I think York's result this weekend, which
Speaker 1: we will go into, bear in mind, this is a
Speaker 1: team that in round one beat last year's premiers. Bear
Speaker 1: in mind we've had nothing but praise for York and
Speaker 1: the way they've attacked things. For them to get beat
Speaker 1: by that score line, nobody can tell me Super League
Speaker 1: is more competitive than the NRL.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I know West Tiger's got pumped the other week, but
Speaker 1: there's been some very very very very very big score
Speaker 1: lines in Super League this year.
Speaker 2: In particular, I think I think there's score lines is
Speaker 2: one way to look at the level of competition. You
Speaker 2: can look at numerous ways. I think when you watch games,
Speaker 2: you can see how competitive teams are and whether they
Speaker 2: have good periods or where they drop off. You can
Speaker 2: look at the amount of Grand Final winners over you know,
Speaker 2: you look and look at you know this year, I
Speaker 2: mean the Broncos, the reigning Primaries, and they've been pretty terrible.
Speaker 2: The Bulldogs are one of the top teams. Last year,
Speaker 2: they've been pretty terrible. You gen't really don't see I mean,
Speaker 2: not for a long long time anyway, you know, Wigan
Speaker 2: and Saint Helen's you know, in last or second last
Speaker 2: or you know, it doesn't really happen a turnaround doesn't
Speaker 2: really happen like that in in Super League because there
Speaker 2: is a golf in so many different ways, not just
Speaker 2: playerpool and finances and fan bases but everything. So I
Speaker 2: just yeah, I think part of the problem with experiension
Speaker 2: experience the competition of fortun teams. There wasn't an analysis done.
Speaker 2: It was a rush decision. There wasn't a lot of planning.
Speaker 2: You know, we may end up with fifteen, but you know,
Speaker 2: it just isn't There isn't a real detailed case to say,
Speaker 2: why should we do this, This will achieve X y z,
Speaker 2: we have this amount of money to do it. It's
Speaker 2: not been explained to me because obviously York and to
Speaker 2: Loose took half the Central distribution this year, but I
Speaker 2: was told by reliable sources that they'll get the full
Speaker 2: distribution obviously if they're in Super League next year. But
Speaker 2: where's that extra money going to come from. It may
Speaker 2: come from a better TV deal, but we don't know
Speaker 2: if we're getting a better TV deal, do we. That's
Speaker 2: been very quiet, So there's just so many unknowns at
Speaker 2: the moment, and generally the peers that they don't like
Speaker 2: people asking questions or they don't like, you know, criticism.
Speaker 2: That's valid.
Speaker 1: The conversation that we're having as well, so the whole
Speaker 1: we have this many teams in the competition. It actually
Speaker 1: goes against the concept of elite player development because you're
Speaker 1: singing the talent pool. So that goes hand in hand
Speaker 1: with the World Cup squad that's just been announced by
Speaker 1: Brian McDermott, who works at Gold Coast Titans in Australia,
Speaker 1: is announced a thirty eight man squad.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: There were no shocks in that. Nobody was admitted, I
Speaker 1: don't think, but people were added. The first question before
Speaker 1: we talk about who was in that thirty eight man
Speaker 1: squad and there's that many names in there. I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm not in there. What what's that squad for?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Why have they name that?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really good question. I think sometimes
Speaker 2: they named them just to create a bit of news and.
Speaker 1: A bit of talk, which I don't know, maybe that
Speaker 1: they don't say I've got an Irish granddad and would
Speaker 1: have played for them instead.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the interesting obviously it'll be I
Speaker 2: think probably either a twenty four or twenty seven man
Speaker 2: squad for the actual Cup. But probably the interesting bit
Speaker 2: is the amount of Australian born or heritage players that
Speaker 2: by mcdernald has named. Obviously, Sean Wayne was dead set
Speaker 2: against that when he started, and then he kind of
Speaker 2: backtracked a little bit and had Victor Radley.
Speaker 1: In there.
Speaker 2: But there's quite a large number when you consider Jaden Brawley,
Speaker 2: Billy Smith Well Aj Brimson was the other one that
Speaker 2: came in lastly under Shaw Wayne, but then Caleb hamlin
Speaker 2: Ulli from Wakefield, Maxiking from Canterbury and Maxkan's obviously played
Speaker 2: for New South Wales in origin as well, and Ben
Speaker 2: Tolty from the Bristo Broncos, So I think that's got
Speaker 2: a few people's back up, even though other countries do it,
Speaker 2: even though England does it in cricket and rugby union,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's the way of the modern world.
Speaker 1: But it has it has pissed off a few people,
Speaker 1: you could say, so again, the national squad is one thing.
Speaker 1: Another thing is the direction of the game from a
Speaker 1: commercial point of view and a marketing point of view.
Speaker 1: And the RFL seem to have made a big decision
Speaker 1: and we only know this because of things that have
Speaker 1: been linked to certain journalists and certain people we know
Speaker 1: who's missed out on the RFL CEO role. Do we
Speaker 1: know any more though.
Speaker 2: Not as yet. It seems to be a favorite of
Speaker 2: talk that that ha decided on who the new RFL
Speaker 2: CEO will be. It's it's someone with some football connections,
Speaker 2: potentially to Manchester United who yeah, as a man City found.
Speaker 1: Out or they've been Manchester United have been a model
Speaker 1: of success for the last fifteen years, haven't they?
Speaker 2: I think? I think the interesting point is that that
Speaker 2: Tony Mester, of the former Manly CEO, who is quite
Speaker 2: played for Wigan in London and I believe is quite
Speaker 2: close to people at Wigan did not get the job.
Speaker 2: Now you could imagine that that Wigan would have liked
Speaker 2: to favor you know, we're going to have been opposed
Speaker 2: to the niger Wood regime. That's no revelation. So that's interesting.
Speaker 2: And it's also interesting, I think because if we are
Speaker 2: going to have a NRL deal with Super League and
Speaker 2: investment and partnership, it's logical to think that with an
Speaker 2: Australian running the RFL and someone who has close connections
Speaker 2: with people in the NRL, that Tony Mestrov would have
Speaker 2: been a helpful kind of conduit. So that's not happening.
Speaker 2: It also seems to me a Graham Taylor, who was
Speaker 2: another candidate for the job, an agent, he was pushed
Speaker 2: by League Express as a good option. So it seems
Speaker 2: to me, and I've heard this from a from a source,
Speaker 2: that niger Wood would have liked him as the RFL CEO.
Speaker 2: So he's not gone his way. So maybe this is
Speaker 2: a whoever gets the job, the unknown person is a
Speaker 2: is a measure between the two. Perhaps maybe a kind
Speaker 2: of a fallback. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's all
Speaker 2: very all, very interesting, but yeah, hopefully we'll know more
Speaker 2: in the near, very near future, and there'll be an announcement.
Speaker 1: I've also heard from a very reputable source that the
Speaker 1: person who may have got the job was a late entrance,
Speaker 1: so there was a deadline and then the ignored the deadline.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: That would not surprise me? With the RFL, I mean,
Speaker 2: there are things that have gone on the RFL the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, a lot that I've written about,
Speaker 2: a lot that I can't write about because of you know,
Speaker 2: defamation and other things you have to be very careful about.
Speaker 2: But yeah, nothing would surprise me. I think it's a
Speaker 2: terribly run organization. Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. Lee. Look,
Speaker 2: I think you know the We've seen that the clubs
Speaker 2: still hold the key power in the game anyway, and
Speaker 2: it seems like Niger Woods still has the support of
Speaker 2: the majority of clubs. So whoever has that job will
Speaker 2: obviously it's a question of how independent or how much
Speaker 2: control they'll actually have.
Speaker 1: In terms of defamation and not writing things. Your job
Speaker 1: this week, Johnny's job is people who ask journalists who
Speaker 1: their sources are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had this, I've had this a few times.
Speaker 2: The last couple of days, I wrote an exclusive about
Speaker 2: who would be taking over Oldham a couple of days
Speaker 2: before that was confirmed on Saturday, and I think it
Speaker 2: was on Twitter. I had someone no picture in their profile,
Speaker 2: kind of made up name, no follower, like where did
Speaker 2: you hear this from? And blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, am I supposed to say my
Speaker 2: sources are? Like the point of actually being a journalist is,
Speaker 2: you know, using well, getting people's confidences and not revealing
Speaker 2: you know who who who they are. That's the golden
Speaker 2: rule of journalism. Now people seem to suspect or know
Speaker 2: who your particular sources are. I wrote the story today
Speaker 2: about Nathan Kless, who looks very likely, Yeah, it looks
Speaker 2: very likely to be the next Whole Yard coach. And
Speaker 2: I saw some whole k R fan on Facebook coming
Speaker 2: I saw all the days ago. You know, where did
Speaker 2: you It's kind of like, well, I'm sorry, I don't
Speaker 2: scroll Facebook or social media for stories. I actually do
Speaker 2: have sources in the game, coaches, players, officials, referees, other journalists, CEOs,
Speaker 2: directors of rugby agents. You know, they come from all
Speaker 2: different places, and you know it's kind of laughable. I
Speaker 2: guess what people think journalists do, or how people think
Speaker 2: they get their information, and what the process is to
Speaker 2: stand up the information. I know journalists in the modern
Speaker 2: world have a terrible reputation. I do understand that, but
Speaker 2: I think you can only really judge individuals by their
Speaker 2: own reputation, and I think as a journal STOP developed
Speaker 2: a reputation over many, many years which is fairly decent
Speaker 2: or at least okay. But I also understand that if
Speaker 2: you write things that people don't like, then they're going
Speaker 2: to slag you off. So that's just part of the
Speaker 2: modern world. I guess.
Speaker 1: Now, in terms of full KR's potential choice of coaching
Speaker 1: Nathan Kalis, I've just done some quick googling and the
Speaker 1: only thing I can find about his coaching career is
Speaker 1: that the coach went with Ville in twenty sixteen ish
Speaker 1: and didn't get to the finals both times. So is
Speaker 1: there anything else? I mean, what's he done for the
Speaker 1: last decade?
Speaker 2: So he retired in twenty ten. I believe he worked
Speaker 2: in pathways at Para. He did coach Wentworthville. I think
Speaker 2: he coached the Warriors reserve grade side for a couple
Speaker 2: of years. He served as an assistant coach to the
Speaker 2: NR old team at the Roosters and at the West Tigers,
Speaker 2: and then I think for the last three or so
Speaker 2: years he's been the new so Worl's Cup coach of Paramatta. Now,
Speaker 2: when I found out about this today and checked it
Speaker 2: with a few people, the club haven't got back to me,
Speaker 2: but a few pretty reliable sources. It was quite surprising
Speaker 2: because he's not a name and just say he was
Speaker 2: a great player for Paramatta around for New Zealand for
Speaker 2: me years. He's not a name that's ever been thrown
Speaker 2: up as and you would know this Lee Like there's
Speaker 2: all there's already assistant coaches in NRL who are seen
Speaker 2: as the next NRL held coach.
Speaker 1: You know, Blake one.
Speaker 2: Deanie Young's obviously interim coacher, but he's been one for
Speaker 2: a while. Josh Hannay was for a while, Craigs fitz
Speaker 2: Gibbon was before he went to Cornala, Christian Wolf was
Speaker 2: before he went to Saint Helens and the Dolphins, Justin
Speaker 2: Holbrook was. There's always you know, one of those is
Speaker 2: Matt King at the moment now I think Matt King
Speaker 2: is the other Roosters. I think he's an assistant coach. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he's a consistant coach in you so well's now as
Speaker 2: my understanding that he was in the running for the
Speaker 2: whole KR job as well, or it was the least approached.
Speaker 2: But Nathan Chayles has never been mentioned in those circles,
Speaker 2: in those media reports in Australia for years now. You
Speaker 2: can take that one of two ways. You could say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: maybe he's not that good a coach, or maybe he's
Speaker 2: just not got people beaging.
Speaker 1: It's all path of least resistance in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases in my experience, who's got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly that that definitely does play a role.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree there at all. So he's forty eight,
Speaker 2: he's had probably a decade a little more than a
Speaker 2: decade of coaching experience. I don't know if he'll be
Speaker 2: a good fit or not.
Speaker 1: I guess how long did you say he has been
Speaker 1: the Eels and South Wales Cup coach for I.
Speaker 2: Think about three years, three and a half years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, in twenty four they finished eleventh, in
Speaker 1: twenty five to finish third, and right now their twelfth
Speaker 1: So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: I think just lasting on that, and I think it
Speaker 2: was you who mentioned this before the news came out
Speaker 2: in Australia about Ben Gardner. That was someone they reached
Speaker 2: out to. And he's obviously I was assistant coach at
Speaker 2: at Penrith and some you know has been some Oldkay
Speaker 2: coach well that they approached him and he decided to
Speaker 2: knock him back because he's obviously going to be the
Speaker 2: assistant at per and I think he sees that as
Speaker 2: a head coaching role in two or three years after MANINGA.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they've they've obviously looked around and and you know,
Speaker 2: down their due diligence. But whether he is the first
Speaker 2: choice or not, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's not first choice, He's not tenth choices the choice
Speaker 1: John is how I heard it once. Steve McLaren said
Speaker 1: that when he was about eighteenth choice of England manager
Speaker 1: in I worked out well ninety seven ninety eight or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. No, no, it would have been a
Speaker 1: bit later that two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: But just on that, I mean Gareth Southgate, he was
Speaker 2: highlight of his management career before England was getting relegated
Speaker 2: with but he did pretty he did the best in
Speaker 2: England since Alph Ramsey in sixty six.
Speaker 1: I'd love, I'd love, I'd love to have a coaching
Speaker 1: conversation now when it comes to why we select coaches.
Speaker 1: So I mean, we're going to talk about origin later,
Speaker 1: so let's not try and not get into the mine.
Speaker 1: But origin has been very interesting in the last decade
Speaker 1: and that it's been TV personalities that have been the coaches.
Speaker 1: So Billy Slater had never coached in his life before
Speaker 1: before he became Queensland coach. Brad Fhitler ended up failing
Speaker 1: eventually at the Roosters over well over a decade ago,
Speaker 1: so they gave him the job. Brad Phitler was a
Speaker 1: bit similar to Garret Southgate in the sense that he
Speaker 1: came through the New South Wales system, so Garrett Southgate
Speaker 1: came through the England youth system as a coach, so
Speaker 1: Brad Fhitler probably given him not enough credit there. And
Speaker 1: then their current choice Lori Daly. All I've seen him
Speaker 1: do is some betting stuff at the end of shows
Speaker 1: and radio radio. Yeah, so you know, and and then
Speaker 1: and they choose him and have probably chosen him because
Speaker 1: he played five eight for them for.
Speaker 2: Most LA was one of the players that's coming in
Speaker 2: you so well as an Australia in the last thirty
Speaker 2: odd years. He was a phenomenal player. But I think
Speaker 2: it's proven. I think doesn't he have now the most
Speaker 2: losses as an Origin coach ever, and you look at
Speaker 2: at least the first two games this year, not talking
Speaker 2: about the years before, but it's pretty much been a disaster.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the choice of Gareth Southgate and then Thomas
Speaker 1: Toucle since then in the soccer realm. In the football realm,
Speaker 1: I have to say soccer because just because we often
Speaker 1: talk about football as rugbyy, they've played some good football.
Speaker 1: I study all this stuff all the time. I've been
Speaker 1: reading lots about this. So if we go back and
Speaker 1: you mentioned alf Ramsey, Okay, alf Ramsey took elocution lessons.
Speaker 1: Alf Ramsey was a working class kid from somewhere down
Speaker 1: south and took elocution lessons to sound like he was
Speaker 1: an army captain and dressed in a track suit and
Speaker 1: made the track suit look formal. Right, That's how alf
Speaker 1: Ramsey and was very emotionless. And then after alf Ramsey
Speaker 1: they went with Don Reve. Now, Don Revey was more
Speaker 1: of a somebody who would say the right things to
Speaker 1: the board and could manage upwards and downwards. I suppose
Speaker 1: because Don Revey took leads and then was taken over
Speaker 1: Leeds were taken over by Brian Clough, who was enigmatic
Speaker 1: quite maverick, certainly one of my big coaching influences, but
Speaker 1: would also tell boards where to stick their football advice.
Speaker 1: And the FA didn't go with him. And then when
Speaker 1: Revey left them to go to Saudi Arabia, the clamoring
Speaker 1: publicly was for Brian Clough again, and then they went
Speaker 1: for Greenwood, who was the coaching director style person. Right now,
Speaker 1: let me tell you about coaching directors in English football
Speaker 1: in the sixties, a guy called Charles Hughes studied one
Speaker 1: hundred teams and one hundred games and deciphered that most
Speaker 1: goals were scored with three touches three kicks of the ball.
Speaker 1: So therefore put in place, using those statistics a system
Speaker 1: that men all English teams did long ball, knock it
Speaker 1: down with a header, somebody score off the second ball,
Speaker 1: and that happened for thirty years. That's how they interpreted
Speaker 1: those statistics. So when you get certain people of a
Speaker 1: certain way of looking at things. If you look at
Speaker 1: things statistically or scientifically, that's the danger of what can
Speaker 1: happen anyway, So we go through the England manager list
Speaker 1: and then and it's a really good study because it
Speaker 1: applies to any sport. So they've gone from Greenwood to
Speaker 1: Bobby Robson, who'd won some trophies, very good coach. They
Speaker 1: went from Robson who did well in the end, to
Speaker 1: Graham Taylor, not the one who went for the RFL job.
Speaker 1: The Graham Taylor, who do I not like that? Again
Speaker 1: a successful coach in lower grades, but it can't work out.
Speaker 1: And then they went with Kevin Keegan from memory.
Speaker 2: No, I think it was l Tel, wasn't.
Speaker 1: It yeh, Terrybles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they failed to qualify for ninety four. They went
Speaker 2: to all Tell.
Speaker 1: They did try ll Tell Tell Terry Vennables, who again
Speaker 1: didn't get on with the with the directors of the
Speaker 1: f A.
Speaker 2: The Blazer.
Speaker 1: He was only got they got rid of him for winning.
Speaker 1: And then it was Glenn Hoddle. GEEZU jumped a feudent
Speaker 1: or with Kevin Keegan. Glenn Hoddle's been a lot, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Glenn Hoddle was the ex player I'd say Glenn Hoddle
Speaker 1: was a Brad Fittler. Yeah, and then it went to
Speaker 1: Kevin Keegan. He was the Lorrie Daily, disastrous us. And
Speaker 1: then they went to a foreign manager, Spenn who who
Speaker 1: didn't talk in the same way. You know, football wasn't
Speaker 1: all about passion, it was it was a bit of
Speaker 1: an intellectual challenge.
Speaker 2: He kept his passion off the field. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then we went back to an English manager, Steve McLaren,
Speaker 1: the wally with a browlly because he was, and then Fabio,
Speaker 1: and then Fabio to Roy Hodgson, who was that would
Speaker 1: be like employee. Yeah, that was like employing Des Hasler.
Speaker 1: Roy Hodgson would be like employing Des Hasler Roy Hodgson.
Speaker 1: And then they were like oh Sam allaedyes for a week.
Speaker 1: If you remember the part, the part of wine, they're
Speaker 1: good pints of wine. And then and then we've ended
Speaker 1: up with Garret Southgate because they got so low they
Speaker 1: ended up with somebody like Gara Southgate. Now that's a
Speaker 1: very long way of describing where we're at now. So
Speaker 1: England have gone from Garret Southgate, who saw his role
Speaker 1: as I think part of the English narrative beyond football
Speaker 1: I e. His twenty twenty letter deer England telling them
Speaker 1: not to be racist and things like that. Right, I
Speaker 1: don't think Thomas Tuckle, who's a German by the way,
Speaker 1: gives a flying flamingo about any of those things. Like
Speaker 1: the English players you know under Southgate took the knee,
Speaker 1: they had rainbows on the back of the shirts and
Speaker 1: all this got involved in some political things if you like.
Speaker 1: Thomas Tuckle doesn't give a flying flamingo about any of that,
Speaker 1: and he seems to be embracing things and there's a
Speaker 1: there's a key lesson in this. Sarath Sarath guth Gate,
Speaker 1: Gareth Southgate in the assessment of him, is that he
Speaker 1: was very good at getting everything where we needed it
Speaker 1: to be, but when the whips were cracking, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: take risks. So when they went one, they look after
Speaker 1: eight minutes, went into their shell and protected it. That
Speaker 1: sounds like an overly structured team to me, which is
Speaker 1: what you could accuse New South Wales a being because
Speaker 1: they've leaned on Cleary. I think a bit too much.
Speaker 1: Thomas took call at halftime against Croatia and obviously we've
Speaker 1: won one game, so it's coming home now. But halftime
Speaker 1: against Croatia at to All apparently said he said to
Speaker 1: the players at half time, if you're going to lose,
Speaker 1: let's do it our way. Have a crack, and he
Speaker 1: just allowed them to express themselves. If you look at
Speaker 1: origin right now, Queensland are expressing themselves. New South Wales
Speaker 1: are in a strait jacket and we could go through
Speaker 1: any rugby league team, we could go through any rugbilly team.
Speaker 1: I think Saint Helen's seemed to have gone too far
Speaker 1: down there. We'll just throw some structures out of the
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they've got no structure, but they seem
Speaker 1: to be too far down the creative road.
Speaker 2: You look at the Wiggan game against York, I mean
Speaker 2: quite a few of them eyes would just come from
Speaker 2: even at times they're pushing passes and forcing passes, throwing
Speaker 2: off loads that usually you be like, well that's not on,
Speaker 2: but they're coming off and they're just playing off the cuff,
Speaker 2: like Joe Field was just destroying people, just running. You know.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like backyard footy and Bevan French
Speaker 2: just kicking over the top, you know, chipping in behind, regathering.
Speaker 2: It was just they're playing with so much freedom and
Speaker 2: enthusiasm and energy it is very hard to defend against.
Speaker 2: And that Queensland, particularly with Sam Walker with how months
Speaker 2: to plays and Harry Grant as, Oh they have got
Speaker 2: that natural eyes up foot, you haven't they? And New
Speaker 2: South Wales well, I think taking out etheris strange putting
Speaker 2: in Moses who obviously wasn't fit. But you know clear
Speaker 2: he's not that kind of player, is he. Rhys Robson's
Speaker 2: not that kind of player. And yeah, second half of
Speaker 2: Game two was pretty bloody dismal.
Speaker 1: Even Wigan though, right We'll go back to Wigan. Their
Speaker 1: coach evolved from under Sean Wayne, who has been accused
Speaker 1: of being ovally structured when it came to play in
Speaker 1: Australia last year. At the start of this year Wigan
Speaker 1: were very very very very structured, very patient, and I
Speaker 1: think part of their unleashing their re emergence has been
Speaker 1: they've let some shackles off. They're true, true, only only
Speaker 1: Huddersfield can unleash. Anyway, we talked about coaches. If any
Speaker 1: of them haven't got a job, maybe they can eventually
Speaker 1: take over at Oldham when Alan Kilshaw gets the shits
Speaker 1: with what's going on off the field, and maybe Mestrof
Speaker 1: could be the CEO because something's going on at old
Speaker 1: and what's going on at Oldham. Johnny Boy finally got.
Speaker 2: New owners, that new take over. It's been well, we've
Speaker 2: covered the early the Bill Quinn.
Speaker 1: With Bill Quinn not there anymore. No, well, he stepped down.
Speaker 2: I mean he did the numerous Facebook videos where he
Speaker 2: referred to himself as the third person.
Speaker 1: And said Bill Quinn resigned, He's not going anywhere, and
Speaker 1: that's not what Bill Quinn does exactly.
Speaker 2: I hope they're all online because there are works of art.
Speaker 2: In a way. Then obviously in April, Bill Quinn stepped
Speaker 2: down citing your health. Now I hope he isn't ill.
Speaker 2: That has been suggested that that maybe that's not completely correct,
Speaker 2: that he isn't sick, that he is sick. But look,
Speaker 2: I hope he's perfectly fine. But anyway, the club was
Speaker 2: in a bit of a holding pattern and there were
Speaker 2: three different groups trying to take over, one involving Terry Fannigan,
Speaker 2: one involving by Ford and one Terrybles No no, no,
Speaker 2: hotel's not non involved. Yes, and you've got I can't
Speaker 2: remember the.
Speaker 1: Christ Terry Christian.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the one played there you put me
Speaker 2: off my stride? But anyway, what's his name?
Speaker 1: The hooker Hall?
Speaker 2: No? No, so he's part of the new group second over.
Speaker 2: But there was a Jordan Jesus proposing Helens for.
Speaker 1: A long time Henderson.
Speaker 2: No, he was at camera, very very brief. Anyway, there
Speaker 2: is a group now. They're saying that Martin Hall has involved,
Speaker 2: Terry Flannagan is old Gary Kersher is involved. Who's the
Speaker 2: local business of it all?
Speaker 1: If Flanagan's the next player, Yes, a legend. Bob Bledner
Speaker 1: on it all right, Bob Lindner is he on the ball?
Speaker 1: So my mate Roy Dewey is he on it?
Speaker 2: They've paid some of the debts, I believe, so.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll just keep interrupting you John to put you off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. For the long suffering Olden fans, there's a bit
Speaker 2: relief now because the funny thing is they've had to
Speaker 2: shed players throughout the season, you know, keep their wage
Speaker 2: go down. But they've actually been playing really really well.
Speaker 2: I think they've sorry one family, like eleven in a row.
Speaker 2: I think they're you know, entrenched in second behind Landon,
Speaker 2: who were obviously a step above, but they're actually doing
Speaker 2: really well on the field Aldumn, so hopefully some stability
Speaker 2: for them now with new owners in.
Speaker 1: There we go everything tonky Dory Warrington six, Leeds thirty four.
Speaker 1: Warrington scored through Ashton and Irwin kicked a goal. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was Steve Irwin who did that
Speaker 1: for Australian Zoo. Leeds thirty four Sivol, But everything's normal again.
Speaker 1: Civol scored a hat trick, Croft scored, Newman scored, Hankinson
Speaker 1: scored and Connor kicked five goals. That's make as Evol's
Speaker 1: fifth hat trick of the year. Did you watch that game?
Speaker 2: Job? I did? I did it? Look it was impressive
Speaker 2: from Leeds. I thought they really ran over the top
Speaker 2: of Warrington, threw down a marker out the second half.
Speaker 2: Sivos just said they couldn't really They tried to get
Speaker 2: two men up on him, they just couldn't really stop him.
Speaker 2: They had no plan to contain him. And I think
Speaker 2: I think with Warranton that they're having a good season,
Speaker 2: but they went with the two young halves and I
Speaker 2: think they obviously they've got got injuries there, but I
Speaker 2: think they really need a more experienced half alongside one
Speaker 2: of the young halves. It's a big ask for you know,
Speaker 2: have an eighteen year old and a twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: year old in you know, eighty six and seven. But yeah, Leeds,
Speaker 2: I mean they've got whole caw this Friday aheadly that
Speaker 2: is a humdinger of a game. I think they win
Speaker 2: that and then you you really put them up there
Speaker 2: as a team that can that can win the camp
Speaker 2: and you know, I think there's probably three standout teams
Speaker 2: this year and that's Leeds we're going and Whole Carhull f.
Speaker 1: C ten Wakefield thirty six whole score through Bristol and
Speaker 1: Litton and Caesar kicked to goal. Wakefield thirty six two
Speaker 1: from Johnston, two from Nicotimo mckeekon and Tavanger scored. Joe
Speaker 1: kicked six goals, four wins from five and they are
Speaker 1: in fourth in Super League now.
Speaker 2: Wake Yeah, and the loss that they had was against Wigan,
Speaker 2: who obviously have been excellent, very good performance from Waki,
Speaker 2: some damn play from Hallersey. They had two yellow cards,
Speaker 2: one from sa Essay and one from Matatia. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean Hallosey's season has been abysmal, hasn't it? But
Speaker 2: film credit to wake Tom Johnston. Very very good form,
Speaker 2: you know, just they look a good way. Feel great
Speaker 2: to see them continue their their recent form.
Speaker 1: Okay, York twenty two tries to Hunter, Harris and Galiano
Speaker 1: also scored. Benison kick two goals, Wigan seventy two. It
Speaker 1: was forty four nil at halftime. Sa Wardle got two,
Speaker 1: Hodkinson got three, Kieran, who scores every week, scored only one,
Speaker 1: Field got three and Somber scored. French scored Farroman scored.
Speaker 1: Kieran kicked ten goals, two hat tricks, Gyfield and Noah Hodkinson.
Speaker 1: And it was at York's ground discussed John Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it was men against boys.
Speaker 2: Really. The thing about that scoreline in the seventieth minute
Speaker 2: it was seventy two nil. So York scored quite a
Speaker 2: few trials at the end, but it was seventy two nil. Wow,
Speaker 2: just crazy. I mean joy Field was on fire and
Speaker 2: Wigan were just you know, they were just throwing a
Speaker 2: ball around and just they look to be having a
Speaker 2: lot of fun out there in New York. Just some
Speaker 2: of their defensive efforts they dropped the ball and they
Speaker 2: just stop and just watch as quick picked it up
Speaker 2: and you know would run seventy eighty meters. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was tough to watch.
Speaker 1: Big win for whole k Are hull KR twenty two
Speaker 1: eight hull Kr scored through Burgess, Hiccku, Whitbread and laland
Speaker 1: three goals from Martin Lee's eight came from Alec, Weyenk
Speaker 1: and Hodgson and they probably deserved that win. All up John, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think another good performance from ok tyerm May very
Speaker 2: he's having a fantastic season. Very strong again. Michael Lewis
Speaker 2: setting up the try with a nice kick. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think Leo would be disappointed that they weren't really didn't
Speaker 2: really throw a lot of punches in this one. I'm
Speaker 2: considering they've dipping in great form in recent weeks and
Speaker 2: one quite a few games. But yeah, pretty one sided
Speaker 2: game that one.
Speaker 1: Catalan's resurgent under JC thirty four, Bradford twenty four tries
Speaker 1: for Catalansovich Allen Boss Gay Fartarpit Leaming and stains five
Speaker 1: goals from a Sparowl BChE. Bradford's twenty four from Sutton
Speaker 1: Ryan Wing got two Aikins goals from Atkin and Dean.
Speaker 1: That's their third winning four games. Catalan good Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean good work.
Speaker 2: JC. Definitely Cruise Leaming put on a really great show.
Speaker 2: Scored a try, I set up a couple. I thought
Speaker 2: Bradford are very good in this game. I shared a
Speaker 2: lot of fight kind of win in particularly was outstanding
Speaker 2: out on the right wing. But yeah, good win for Catalans.
Speaker 2: I think it keeps them in the mix, but I
Speaker 2: don't really see them.
Speaker 1: What's interesting looking at these score lines, how many of
Speaker 1: these games were over by halftime?
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, well, I think this was probably the most
Speaker 2: competitive game of the round. You know, it was kind
Speaker 2: of sea sawing and Bradford did have a yeah, trying
Speaker 2: to think who was the playmate. There was a try.
Speaker 2: This allowed for a footing to touch from a pass,
Speaker 2: which was the right the right call, but yeah, this
Speaker 2: was one of the more entertaining games. It was some
Speaker 2: long range tries and some some some quite catching tries
Speaker 2: as well. That's for thirty six thanks to Weaver, Lalo
Speaker 2: to Ganga Tongua guy Gary Gary got two, Sinny got one,
Speaker 2: ass he got one. Weaver kick six goals to lose
Speaker 2: his eighteen because it was twenty thirty six eighteen La
Speaker 2: Glaire stefaniet Rouge got the tries and SHOT's kick three goals.
Speaker 2: Again Castleford Castle would look on track now to me
Speaker 2: they've they've been improved as the year has gone on.
Speaker 2: I have definitely, but now very slick on the edges stage.
Speaker 2: And Assi was very good in this game. I think
Speaker 2: he got a number of assists scored to try himself
Speaker 2: and to Loose were really I'm sure exactly what scores,
Speaker 2: but they were well well behind before they started, you know,
Speaker 2: creating anything and obviously picked up a few late tries
Speaker 2: which leveled up the score line somewhat.
Speaker 1: Saint Helen's have ended their losing Super League run after
Speaker 1: a comfortable win against Huddersfield. Huddersfield have now lost eight
Speaker 1: in a row thirty eight six to Saint Helens. Tries
Speaker 1: from Cyrenon who got two McDonald Wormsley Robertson and Davis
Speaker 1: got two. Hastings I hope that wasn't Gavin. Hastings scored
Speaker 1: five goals and Huddersfield six came from Gaya and Flanagan
Speaker 1: got the goal. That was enough for Paul school Thought
Speaker 1: to tweet out.
Speaker 2: Well the funny thing was when these two times teams played,
Speaker 2: I think it was about six weeks ago. It was
Speaker 2: an absolutely dreadful game at the ACU Stadium and this
Speaker 2: wasn't a huge amount of difference at in St Helens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, how does Steel just looked at sleep at times?
Speaker 2: Terrible defense, not catching kicks in the back line, dropping
Speaker 2: kicks that were put up. Darryl Clark just having a
Speaker 2: field day A nine And yeah, I mean sint Allen's
Speaker 2: haven't been very good for the past five weeks, so
Speaker 2: I'll be very happy to get that result. You got
Speaker 2: some questions John on your X I did you it
Speaker 2: is your Twitter Twitter. I've got a few questions that
Speaker 2: I will read out. We'll go through quickly because we
Speaker 2: don't want to be here all day, do we or not?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm on your Facebook here, so you do the
Speaker 1: Twitter ones. I'll do the Facebook ones.
Speaker 2: Okay, We've got a question from Andy Preston. Well, the
Speaker 2: next TV deal announcement unlocked the transfer market and the
Speaker 2: event of a reduced next deal, do you predict an
Speaker 2: extusive talented other cloudes slash down under or is it
Speaker 2: more likely that players I just will agree with use terms.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really good question. I think it
Speaker 2: is very hard to plan or make any signings when
Speaker 2: you don't know what money you actually get next year,
Speaker 2: whether it'll be a reduced for expense. So I think
Speaker 2: there are some clubs who are holding back in terms
Speaker 2: of reduced next to you. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if there will be an exodus of talent, but the
Speaker 2: fact there are two more our old teams just means
Speaker 2: there are more opportunities and clubs are particularly open to
Speaker 2: the English market. You know, made Lee's George Williams, Ledski,
Speaker 2: Newman Morgan Gangs obviously come back to Leeds from the Warriors.
Speaker 2: So it goes to show. I mean, if you look
Speaker 2: at the success rate of English players in the NROL League,
Speaker 2: what I mean, there's been some massive success one in two,
Speaker 2: one in three quite frankly, yeah, I would say probably
Speaker 2: more one in three if you look at how many
Speaker 2: actually you know, see out the whole contract and whether
Speaker 2: they become the starters. I mean there's huge successes, you know,
Speaker 2: the Burgesses, Graham, Elus Morley, et cetera. But you know
Speaker 2: there's people like Callum Watkins, Cruise Leaning, Dan sargentson you know,
Speaker 2: there's Lee moss Up. There's been a lot that has
Speaker 2: done nothing as well.
Speaker 1: So Nick Nick Gooje asked us on Facebook similar question,
Speaker 1: really about the NRL deal and new TV contract, So
Speaker 1: I think that wraps it up there. James Bailey asked
Speaker 1: about Hermann Essay. Essay's role to recovery. Is he an
Speaker 1: alcoholic or no.
Speaker 2: I think he's talking about his injury obviously. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: played against Wake and he got he tried to take
Speaker 2: the head off of Tom Johnson. It seemed a bit
Speaker 2: stupid and he got a yellow card for that. So
Speaker 2: I think probably a bit of frustration and how the
Speaker 2: game was going and he's coming out of the field,
Speaker 2: so yeah, not ideal for him, so he needs to
Speaker 2: But has he got an injury now, because the way
Speaker 2: he said that he got injured hitching in the head.
Speaker 2: So no, no, no, he got to go Like I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm not aware that he got injured in
Speaker 2: that game. But he has been out for a long
Speaker 2: long period with injury, and you know, one of the
Speaker 2: main players that I have to see, so he has
Speaker 2: been a big loss for them, you know, this year
Speaker 2: for the majority of the season.
Speaker 1: Really Mickey Reeves heard whispers of financial struggles at York,
Speaker 1: but players being paid, like any truth to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about York from
Speaker 2: a number of people in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Now I spoke to the chairman. He denied there was
Speaker 2: any financial issues. Obviously, as we mentioned earlier, they only
Speaker 2: got six hundred and fifty thousand compared with one point
Speaker 2: three million to the other clubs in Super League. So
Speaker 2: that's you know, I think their salary cap, their waves
Speaker 2: bill is probably around the one point two million mark
Speaker 2: while the limit is two point one. So it really
Speaker 2: goes to show and you know, that's a nod to
Speaker 2: why some of the results that they've had, Obviously the
Speaker 2: wig and one when you're spending so little on players.
Speaker 2: But that's the speculation. Now, there's no confirmation. I've not
Speaker 2: heard of. Usually when a club's in financial problems, they
Speaker 2: have hmr C debt, they have playing their suppliers on time,
Speaker 2: they're not playing players on time. There's been no whispers
Speaker 2: or talk of that as I understand it. I hope
Speaker 2: that everything is above board and going well York, because
Speaker 2: after what we had with Sulfur and Featherstone, and North
Speaker 2: Wales and Halifax. We really don't need another club in
Speaker 2: financial difficulty now, and I think talking about the fourteenth expansion,
Speaker 2: that would be a real slap in the face for
Speaker 2: the RFL if they expanded a competition in one of
Speaker 2: the clubs they brought in was in financial difficulty. So
Speaker 2: hopefully it's just and there's no smoke. Sorry, there's no
Speaker 2: fire with this smoke. I should say more questions on X. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's another one. There's one from Ian Horricks. What's happened
Speaker 2: to the restrictions on the number of minutes played by
Speaker 2: players that was all over the news last season? And
Speaker 2: the second part also, if we're chatting for OSSI's to
Speaker 2: play in the World Cup, why can't we find a
Speaker 2: halfback rather than positions? We're okay in the first part
Speaker 2: is a very good question. It's not really been talked about.
Speaker 2: There's been nothing official from the RFL about that, so
Speaker 2: it's a tad bazaarre. The second bit, it's not easy
Speaker 2: to find top half backs, is it Lee? Now? I
Speaker 2: think one of the halfbacks that is eligible for England,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he wants to play for because
Speaker 2: he's not English. He's Sam Walker. Now that's because he
Speaker 2: was born in Leeds because his dad was playing for
Speaker 2: Leeds at that time.
Speaker 1: But he's not going to want to play for England.
Speaker 1: And you can't manufacture half backs right exactly exactly, either
Speaker 1: you've only got English heritage or you haven't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually Nathan Fain and you've got a great
Speaker 2: Runny played in New Zealand. But yeah, it's not that
Speaker 2: simple to just you know, tout. But yeah, we're not
Speaker 2: recruiting for a club I think as I'm aware. I mean,
Speaker 2: apart from obviously Jackson Hastings who is in Super League,
Speaker 2: I don't know of any NRL halfbacks who have English
Speaker 2: heritage or who are eligible for England that apart from
Speaker 2: obviously DCE was eligible, but he has played for Australia
Speaker 2: many times, so I don't think that's happening. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not aware of anyone else who is eligible,
Speaker 2: but there may be someone out there. Any more questions
Speaker 2: A question from Tim Connley. Any news on the NRL
Speaker 2: doom seems to have gone very quick. It has gone
Speaker 2: very quiet, Tim. Obviously, with the news that Andrew Abdo
Speaker 2: is leaving has took away a lot of the focus.
Speaker 2: My understanding is there won't be any progress until the
Speaker 2: NRL does it's broadcast deal, and that seems to be
Speaker 2: There's been a few reports about that last week. Hasn't
Speaker 2: there leaving for him out? Yeah, I'm not confident that
Speaker 2: there will be an NRL deal, but no, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's dead in the ward as yet.
Speaker 1: But what I would think if they've allowed a late
Speaker 1: comer to become the RFL CEO, if indeed that is true,
Speaker 1: that would suggest to me that the current board, which
Speaker 1: as we know includes somebody hovering around it called Nigel Wood,
Speaker 1: is he actually on the board or is he?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I think they've got a plan and they've
Speaker 1: got their own plan. And that suggested because because if
Speaker 1: you think about it, right, if you're of a certain
Speaker 1: mindset that you're the Diana of rugby league, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the boss of rugby league in England kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm only speculating here, but it would take an
Speaker 1: absolutely per faith to put loads of trust into somebody
Speaker 1: on the other side of the world to run your
Speaker 1: comp wouldn't it. It's quite a big thing and.
Speaker 2: That's where the money comes in. Live Yeah, that's where
Speaker 2: if if you say, you know, here's two million per
Speaker 2: club or a fairly lamb sum, and you can't really
Speaker 2: refuse that, can you, Because if you've got every club
Speaker 2: that's losing money, I don't think they're going to knock
Speaker 2: that money in the face. But in saying that the
Speaker 2: NROL has got on, it's played, it hasn't it. It's got,
Speaker 2: it's got, it's got Vegas, it's got what all the
Speaker 2: talk of the mine is about another team in New Zealand?
Speaker 2: Isn't it christ Church? Yeah? And I think from the
Speaker 2: super leap point there's a lot of still opposition to
Speaker 2: the NRL, isn't it. They're not. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: banging down the doors of the NL saying come and
Speaker 2: save us, or come and work with us.
Speaker 1: That's any more questions.
Speaker 2: There is a couple more sort of my phone's just
Speaker 2: dropped off, Gareth Dixon. How do York stay in the league?
Speaker 2: If Huddersfield are saying their IMG points are enough, are
Speaker 2: they in the mix to go down there? Flimbing coming
Speaker 2: in or does it go to fifteen teams? I think
Speaker 2: we've talked about this the last podcast. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly skim through them, mate, skim through. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know the exact IMG points. But yeah, Hardersfield are
Speaker 2: saying that they're going to be fine. But look, I
Speaker 2: think we're going to find out at the end of
Speaker 2: the year. We don't know if there will be fifteen
Speaker 2: teen they are unleashed question from Ben what's the best
Speaker 2: method method to promote and market the game? Everyone was
Speaker 2: the Johnny Vegas TV ever, but there hasn't been anything since. Look,
Speaker 2: I think if you're going to promote and market the game,
Speaker 2: you have to have some money to spend on marketing
Speaker 2: and promo.
Speaker 1: I also, I also find it really interesting that somebody
Speaker 1: asked a question like that. And I'm not saying you shouldn't,
Speaker 1: but we I always remember reading Martin Sadly when I
Speaker 1: was younger, and he Owes used to say, the RFL
Speaker 1: need to market it better. What's marketing?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: The marketings everything marketings. When you google something, you should
Speaker 1: be able to find the data when it's on you
Speaker 1: know that that's marketing. How you're marketing marketing is when
Speaker 1: there's a game on TV, all the fans should be
Speaker 1: in front of the camera in that grand stand there
Speaker 1: so if all three of the other grand stands are empty,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter as much because because the the cameras
Speaker 1: aren't on them the majority of the time that things
Speaker 1: like that are marketing rather than just advertising in the
Speaker 1: London something like that, exactly, exactly, it's not social media.
Speaker 1: Social media is a huge thing.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's not just the Tina Turner simply the best ads.
Speaker 2: It's it's all the other things as well.
Speaker 1: And you know what rugby league should do is get
Speaker 1: Beyonce sing a few songs and then that will crack it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In a serious note, it is interesting the RFL.
Speaker 1: A serious rugby league, got the nineties same things.
Speaker 2: Digital content creators. It's looking for those to kind of
Speaker 2: work for it for free. So effectively it's trying to
Speaker 2: get media fans to do media for free. It's a
Speaker 2: very interesting.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the best people to promote rugby league
Speaker 1: right now, right now as we sit here, is Andy Burnham.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I do I have found the and
Speaker 2: we won't go off too far an attendent, but I
Speaker 2: have found a whole make of field. BI election quite
Speaker 2: interesting because on the one hand you had Any Burnham,
Speaker 2: former president of the RFL, I think former president or
Speaker 2: chairman of Lee Leopards. You know, he's talked about his
Speaker 2: associations with rugby league and then you had Robert Kenyon
Speaker 2: run against him, the reform candidate who was a former
Speaker 2: I think he called some reserve grades. So Wigan Warrior
Speaker 2: is a big Wigan fan, but who was also banned
Speaker 2: from social media and you know added for lots of
Speaker 2: sexist prominence he made about female rugby league players and
Speaker 2: obviously wanting to sniff and nick Carol Vornerman's asshole.
Speaker 1: That's a companient to Carol. I'm sure he wouldn't do
Speaker 1: it to everyone's asshole.
Speaker 2: I think your cousin might disagree with you there, but
Speaker 2: as a labor MP. But it was interesting how both
Speaker 2: of than we're trying to use rugby league as a
Speaker 2: political tool in the election.
Speaker 1: Workington Man.
Speaker 2: Was it or the reverse working Man which obviously ended
Speaker 2: with any Burnham winning.
Speaker 1: Any more questions.
Speaker 2: From Adam? Was that your game? Yesterday's a Wigan fan,
Speaker 2: Adam are playing great, but honestly say, it's the first
Speaker 2: time I remember seeing players on the winning team looking
Speaker 2: embarrassed at the size of the mismatch. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that's more of a comment and I can't agree with
Speaker 2: you there, Adam, that's that's a fair take. Question from Gary,
Speaker 2: what is going on with on trout Lee? Please come
Speaker 2: out if the media are gagged and say.
Speaker 1: So, what's going on with Lee?
Speaker 2: Out? At Lee?
Speaker 1: I thought he'd been announced going to please go to
Speaker 1: next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not really aware of what Gary's talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't think media are gagged. I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: he's alluding to. So yeah, I'm sorry Gary, I don't
Speaker 2: really know that.
Speaker 1: I think gary' is a fish out of water there,
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Any more questions, No, I think that if there's any
Speaker 2: more on Facebook, I think that was all we had
Speaker 2: on Twitter.
Speaker 1: We have to go slightly longer, John, because you had
Speaker 1: a week off last week doing nothing. So Origin, your team,
Speaker 1: New South Wales, both of your teams were going to
Speaker 1: next Cross this week finally lost now soccer use Yeah yeah, Origin.
Speaker 1: It's looking really bad, isn't it. I mean, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me if the players sort of get together and
Speaker 1: go right, we're going to sort this Game three. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if New South Wales won Game three,
Speaker 1: would not surprise me. But it would also be the
Speaker 1: worst thing to happen to New South Wales if that
Speaker 1: were to happen, because they need to have root and
Speaker 1: branch reform I think. I mean the choice of coach,
Speaker 1: the restriction on the players, how nervous they look, and
Speaker 1: how they don't look relaxed. There's so many things that
Speaker 1: need to change there.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just bringing your bench hooker on at
Speaker 2: some point in the game when you need a spark
Speaker 2: would help your prop rotation. Your prop rotation, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean yeah, having Adam Vanua Blake on for what ten
Speaker 2: minutes then taking him off. I thought Paynehasse and Barnett
Speaker 2: dominated the middle in the first half and then they
Speaker 2: went off and you said, I, we're getting completely battered.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, not leaving Ola Klatu, who's one
Speaker 2: of the best edge forwards in the world, if not
Speaker 2: the best. Somewhat biased as a Manly fan, but not
Speaker 2: picking him was just madness. Mitchell Moses, who is a
Speaker 2: great player, but I don't think he'd played a game
Speaker 2: before Origin too, because he'd been injured. There's just so
Speaker 2: many things that it's very restling to talking about.
Speaker 1: And man the manly bubble has burst. I mean you're
Speaker 1: lost to the dogs, mate, Well, the Bulldogs.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was burst.
Speaker 1: I would, I would.
Speaker 2: I watched I watched that game.
Speaker 1: With you, with your with your maroon tinted glasses on
Speaker 1: with my mother. I bet you don't know. I bet
Speaker 1: you don't know yourself. You're looking at skyblue, sorry, through
Speaker 1: blue glasses on a Wednesday, and then maroon glasses on
Speaker 1: a Saturday. You don't know which side of the fence
Speaker 1: you're on.
Speaker 2: No, I'm very good too. I'm very good at, you know,
Speaker 2: separating myself from the from the contest. Look, I think
Speaker 2: anybody deserved to win. They they were a lot hungrier,
Speaker 2: They ran a lot harder in the second half. Four
Speaker 2: goal kicking foggedy. I think he hit the post twice
Speaker 2: and once DCE was was the drop goal exponing for
Speaker 2: years they just didn't set up for a field goal. Well,
Speaker 2: I've got to.
Speaker 1: I've got two takeaways left Canberra. They were in the
Speaker 1: top as the game and now he's gone to Many
Speaker 1: and then they're knocking on the door now. Well, secondly,
Speaker 1: you talked about the Bulldogs being more hungry. It looked
Speaker 1: like j TREVOI has has been hungry for a while.
Speaker 1: Did you look at did you see how heavy he
Speaker 1: looks all of a sudden Did you notice that? I
Speaker 1: didn't notice that, Now I did. Yeah, first thing, I noticed.
Speaker 2: That Mamina just faded badly in the second half, and
Speaker 2: I had plenty of chances to win the game, and
Speaker 2: I think it was the right result. So but of course, sorry, no,
Speaker 2: it's I say credit to the dogs. I think credit.
Speaker 2: I think Brighton as he it was some sort of
Speaker 2: weird stad. He's kicked three winning field goals in three
Speaker 2: different countries for three different teams, obviously Lamar against England
Speaker 2: and the World Cup in twenty twenty two. I was
Speaker 2: at that game at the stadium, yep, and he's obviously
Speaker 2: kicked it for the teams.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's great intervention. Yeah, there was what he
Speaker 1: starts credit Obviously. Obviously the NRL as well is impacted
Speaker 1: by Origin right now. I mean it's you get these
Speaker 1: shot results sometimes, don't you, in the middle of origin.
Speaker 1: I mean, even the Dragon's nearly won on Friday.
Speaker 2: Well, you could say the Gold Coast I only saw
Speaker 2: the last minutes. It was a very good last roam
Speaker 2: and it's been we're out without four players, weren't they?
Speaker 2: So that would help the times? Yeah, stupid? All right,
Speaker 2: let's tip next week.
Speaker 1: On Thursday, Warrington hosts the Catalans or as you call
Speaker 1: them the Catalans because you sound like a bank.
Speaker 2: Now the Wolves that one.
Speaker 1: On Friday, Castleford Tigers play against the York We only
Speaker 1: get paid sometimes nights.
Speaker 2: Nasty lying, that's that's nasty.
Speaker 1: Sorry I was alleged.
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe cast. Well, we'll get up in that one.
Speaker 1: Leed Rhinoles against hul Kingston Rovers on Friday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm going to be at this game
Speaker 2: that this is a hell of a game. It's really
Speaker 2: hard to pick, but I think the Leeds being at
Speaker 2: home and the fact that they beat whole KR twice
Speaker 2: last year, I just think they might might have the
Speaker 2: slide edge.
Speaker 1: All left C host Wigan Warriors on Saturday afternoon. Jesus,
Speaker 1: No he's not there. They might need Jesus. Depending on
Speaker 1: your belief is everywhere.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that could be a blood bath for you know,
Speaker 2: I think I think wigging by a fiscore.
Speaker 1: Bradford hosts Saint Helen's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's an interesting one. I think Bradford, I
Speaker 2: might to be a little bit of an upset and.
Speaker 1: M hm lose host Lee.
Speaker 2: Lee.
Speaker 1: So that's Saturday's And then I won obligatory fixture on
Speaker 1: a Sunday if indeed we have one at all, Wakefield
Speaker 1: Trinity host to Huddersfield Giants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Wakefield by a reasonable.
Speaker 1: Then we go all right. So that was a bumper
Speaker 1: Super League three sixty. We promised we won't have another
Speaker 1: un scheduled week off, but John John was a bit
Speaker 1: busy last week.
Speaker 2: If yeah, if I get married again, we might have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll try.
Speaker 1: Did it go all right?
Speaker 2: Still married? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, what it was, I'm going to tell everybody what
Speaker 1: you said when we stopped recording. Yeah, yeah, I'll do
Speaker 1: it next Sunday, as long as I've not had too
Speaker 1: many drinks. And I went yeah, all right, and then
Speaker 1: I went away and I thought, nah, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: he's not going to be doing anything forcast someday.
Speaker 2: So that's why our.
Speaker 1: Communication wasn't great. But hey, hole, congratulations John and Emma
Speaker 1: and U. Yeah, I hope we had a great time.
Speaker 1: And good luck to you.
Speaker 2: Emma.
Speaker 1: You're going to need it. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2: Take care,