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<v Speaker 1>Uh, hello, everybody, It is me Cecily Nobler here with

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie Wilder Taylor the beautiful mostly just beautiful. I take

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<v Speaker 1>away your other compliments. She doesn't have to, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone has to be smart, someone has to be

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<v Speaker 1>funny or nice.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very pretty good. Let the thing at this age,

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<v Speaker 2>I will absolutely take that. Thank you, welcome, thank you, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you need it. Okay, today, I guess we shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>this light. No, not for this. Maybe should we do

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing for no, I don't have the other short.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna start with what we're gonna start with,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was just to easy win because we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get pretty serious and we should definitely say trigger warning.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll say it on the thing that we're saying it now,

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<v Speaker 1>in case you missed the description of the show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is sure a definite trigger And we waited

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<v Speaker 1>a week or so to talk about it because it

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<v Speaker 1>was like too much even for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me say, I wouldn't say one thing, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know is sort of neither here nor there for

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who doesn't listen to for crying out loud, but

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<v Speaker 2>on for crying out loud Lynette and I did do

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<v Speaker 2>an entire episode. It was a Patreon because it was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of right after this had happened about the story,

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<v Speaker 2>not all the not as many details were out at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and I thought, I just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>this because this is going to be the same for us.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that we were very respectful and like made it.

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<v Speaker 2>We made it a bigger conversation about parenting a mentally

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<v Speaker 2>ill child, you know, and the difficulties that it would

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<v Speaker 2>seem in that And I and somebody got really offended

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<v Speaker 2>and said that we sounded like to like gossipy whatever. Girls.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just want to say this off the bat,

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<v Speaker 2>because that is not our intention. This is we are

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<v Speaker 2>not Our intention is not at all to gossip about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very sad story, and we just want to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss the horror of it all and sort of and.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of piece some things together we have. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't said what we're talking about yet, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Reiner. Yeah, and I assume you've heard, so we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to really tell you this story. We can

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<v Speaker 1>say though, that we were both in complete shock. Like Steph,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like Sunday evening. Steph texted me and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see this about Rob Reiner? And I looked

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<v Speaker 1>it up and I was like, oh, it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>someone was airbeane being his house and it's not weird

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<v Speaker 1>how our brains do that thing, as though that would

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<v Speaker 1>be okay, as we also why would that even be

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<v Speaker 1>okay that someone airbnbat his house and just got like

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<v Speaker 1>murdered or two bodies were found, Like, also not okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But we have to I don't know, it's like everything

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<v Speaker 1>in the world right now feels like so much that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to make everything a little bit better. Well

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<v Speaker 1>at least this didn't happen, or at least you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And we're like, it can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Be the worst thing. It can't be the worst thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just so shocking because it's like a very

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<v Speaker 2>big sort of celebrity who's meant a lot to us

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<v Speaker 2>in our lives, and it just seemed so out of reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the way the story was being reported was

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<v Speaker 2>very confusing because they were saying that age, they were

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<v Speaker 2>saying that two people.

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<v Speaker 1>Had died were in Rob Reiner's house, in.

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<v Speaker 2>His house, and the ages of the people were the

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<v Speaker 2>same as Rob Reiner's age, and his wife's age. But

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<v Speaker 2>as we kept saying to each other, we were on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone a bunch during this, we were like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but how would they know their ages of the victims?

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<v Speaker 2>In least right? It seemed like it, but we did

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<v Speaker 2>keep going like, well maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then a really weird thing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now are we going to get into it or should

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<v Speaker 2>should we?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess okay, let's tell you about something that's let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's take it down a notch and tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>We get into because I don't think we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>say that afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>So as Steven and I are talking about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go too into this, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of fascinating. I texted when I saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, uh, I texted a friend group I

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<v Speaker 1>can say this, and I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>did you guys hear about reb Reiner? So the I

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<v Speaker 1>can see one of my friends is dot dot dotting

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<v Speaker 1>like right away, and I guess I can say this

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<v Speaker 1>now I say his name, not gonna say his name.

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<v Speaker 1>But my friend was like, holy shit, you won't believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't talk about it, which we didn't. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio the next day, which I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>should a But he's like, I was at the Conan party.

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<v Speaker 1>So my friend was like, I happened to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Christmas party at Conan's house, and this is all

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<v Speaker 1>coming in before, so I'm telling Stephanie. I said I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't tell anybody, but obviously I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>right right, And I mean, you know I did do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I was like uh, and so he's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy thing happened at Conan's Christmas party. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he proceeded to tell me everything that came out the

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<v Speaker 1>next day.

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<v Speaker 2>So TMZ didn't new story till later, but we knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, I was getting pieces because I was on

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<v Speaker 1>two different text threads, and one I had said it

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<v Speaker 1>to a different text thread, and my a different friend

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<v Speaker 1>who was not at the party, was like, I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 1>on Reddit that it's the Sun. So that's way before

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<v Speaker 1>it had been put out on TMZ that it was

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<v Speaker 1>the Rob Render's son Nick, who we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I said that to my other thread, he's like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to tell you I was at the

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<v Speaker 1>Conan party. The son Nick came in. He was causing

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<v Speaker 1>a trouble. He got into some kind of screaming match

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<v Speaker 1>is the way he described it. Maybe he didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>screaming much, but some kind of like issue with Bill Hayter.

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<v Speaker 2>And then next thing he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Conan looked really like concerned, like kind of looking for security,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he got in a big fight with Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's I mean, everything that we knew.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was so weird to know it in real

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<v Speaker 1>like almost real time before the out like news had it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was I didn't know what to do with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, should we go to the police, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they not know yet? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>That was crazy, Like it was crazy because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Reddit's been solving crimes. They saw the crime recently. What

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<v Speaker 1>was the crime that they saw something? They're just good like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the Brown University shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>They found him. Reddit did it, like they traced every

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<v Speaker 2>step of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, I honestly was thinking, well, if we

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<v Speaker 1>have all this information, honestly, I might should call the police.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, but they already they already Jamsey knew, so

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<v Speaker 1>are the outlets didn't They held it and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that they held so we'll get into that. We don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a friend too, I have a friend.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend told me that, like friend of a friend

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<v Speaker 2>situation was the massage therapist and this was reported that

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<v Speaker 2>came to their house.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't know this. You're a better friend because

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, it wasn't even a secret. So my friend

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<v Speaker 2>told me that, Okay, her husband's partner has a massage Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the massage therapist went to the house and they didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 2>The door was Robin Michelle's messuse, and they didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 2>So he called the daughter and that's how she got alerted,

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<v Speaker 2>and she went into the house to go look for them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the daughter is the one that knew. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the suspect. That's who you should she knew was

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<v Speaker 1>the brother, right, like without knowing, without knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about Yeah, yeah, we won't. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we should describe what happened. No, but I need

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<v Speaker 2>to make everybody knows.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of the bullet points, I guess broad strokes

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<v Speaker 1>that Nick the son, which will get into his mental

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<v Speaker 1>health and other things. But he immediately knew he had

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<v Speaker 1>checked himself into a hotel immediately. He immediately used his

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<v Speaker 1>own credit card. That's important in the story for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>But to book the best lawyer, I shouldn't say best,

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<v Speaker 1>the skeeviest lawyer there is that could probably get him off.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it's Diddy's lawyer, Marty sand Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Marty Singer. So he did that. So I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to put that in and people can say whatever they want,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just want to My opinion is like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't My big opinion is I don't know how mentally

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<v Speaker 1>it like if you kill someone and if you kill

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<v Speaker 1>your parents, especially in cold blood, you're everyone that does

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<v Speaker 1>that is mentally ill. It is not a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>get off in my opinion. That's just my opinion. But

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<v Speaker 1>he knew enough, being so mentally ill and so fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up to call the best lawyer that there is. Somehow

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<v Speaker 1>he did because you know what I'm saying, Like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're Charles Manson and you're ranting and raving on a mountaintop,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I love Manson?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know you do.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like a great position. Yeah, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's attractive. I'm just kidding. I don't like him, but

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, there's to me, it's like if you had the

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<v Speaker 1>sound mind check yourself in a hotel and call get

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer with your own credit card. That's interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just information that's to me. I apply it in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way, but it's information. We're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we even get into all that, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say that, like where I feel like I want

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<v Speaker 2>to come from in talking about this, because I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a mental health expert, but I think one of the

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<v Speaker 2>points that I think is difficult for addicts. Okay, because

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<v Speaker 2>this guy Nick is a drug addict, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, like, not all addicts, and it's almost appable,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the whole idea of putting this there's mental illness,

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<v Speaker 2>there's also in my mind and this is of course,

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<v Speaker 2>personality disorder too is a major thing. And to to

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<v Speaker 2>say that like a lot of drug addicts are not

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<v Speaker 1>Have a the same with any mental That's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really kind of tacky. It's hard on the community,

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<v Speaker 2>members that are dealing with mental illness, like this is rare,

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<v Speaker 2>this is rare to be this, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent is what I one hundred percent agree. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>hear this. Hopefully there's no reason on music, right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>from TikTok and this was four days ago, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the first time that I know. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>TMZ has been giving very like thoughtful like play by

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<v Speaker 1>He comes from like a legal stamp.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what he said. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>this even works.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, not guilty, And this is right before he pleaded

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<v Speaker 2>can you hear it? Yeah? Now I can't diagnosed now

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<v Speaker 2>I can't schizophrenia.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was under the care of a psychiatrist in

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<v Speaker 3>receiving meds. His behavior in the month before the murders,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is a quote from sources with direct knowledge,

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<v Speaker 3>was erratic and dangerous. He went to an la rehab facility.

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<v Speaker 3>In the time before the murders. He had been to

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<v Speaker 3>a number, but in particular this one that specializes in

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<v Speaker 3>treating mental illness. It's really expensive. It cost seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars a month. Lots of rich, powerful parents send their

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<v Speaker 3>up to the murders, Nick's medications were changed, and they

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<v Speaker 3>were changed because he was exhibiting more and more erratic

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<v Speaker 3>and dangerous behavior. When they were changed, they weren't right

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<v Speaker 3>and it was making him, as one source put it, crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>and the doctors were trying to adjust the meds, but

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't mosty, and he was getting more and more erratic.

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<v Speaker 3>In addition to that, Nick was abusing substances, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>told the substance abuse worsened the schizophrenia.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Paints a picture of someone. In fact, these words were

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge that he was quot out of his head at

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<v Speaker 3>the time of the murders. So, based on everything I know,

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<v Speaker 3>test that Nick did it. I think they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>concede it. I don't know that for a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>That's basically it. He's just talking about the legality of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's another one too, where they talk more specifically

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<v Speaker 1>all the wrong meds. He shouldn't have even been in rehab.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, things that you can sort of see in hindsight.

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<v Speaker 1>But so let's talk about that a little bit. Because

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<v Speaker 1>to me, even though Harvey's you know, he can be

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<v Speaker 2>Other legal teams.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've noticed that TMZ is not

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<v Speaker 1>They're not exactly like objective news.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But what to me, what would be his take

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<v Speaker 2>on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because he wants him to get off on insanity defense,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you an example

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'll just you say what ever, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>look at anybody that does something like this, like a

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<v Speaker 1>Dahmer or somebody who like, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that trial was. I didn't, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know I who. We're too young for that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the Dahmer trial was. But like basically

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<v Speaker 1>what he'd said, and I've talked about this, is that

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<v Speaker 1>he said, don't don't you don't need Yeah, I did it,

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<v Speaker 1>keep me in jail, I will do this again. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>let me out, do you know what I mean? Like

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<v Speaker 1>anybody could say that. I think if you've done that,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's what you've done. And to your point, like,

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<v Speaker 1>not all addicts, not all people with mental health, schizophrenia, bipolar,

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<v Speaker 1>any whatever it may be, it's not a defense. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if this guy walks. I The ironic part is is

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<v Speaker 1>probably what Rob would have wanted. That's the weirdest part

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<v Speaker 1>to wrap my head around is it seems like he

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<v Speaker 1>was just Rob and Michelle would do we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do everything for their kid, understandably, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what that feels like because I don't have kids, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think they just did not. He thought if he

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<v Speaker 1>loved him hard enough and was like, you gave him

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<v Speaker 1>enough money, made a movie for him, he'd be okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but the he wasn't okay right right, And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>beyond here, let me turn off Hararby because he's still

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<v Speaker 1>family m but beyond mental health and beyond addiction, like

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<v Speaker 1>he you know how.

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<v Speaker 2>We were saying like maybe he's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not great. I mean, I know you think he's cute,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think he's cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, I guess. And maybe this is judgmental, but uh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me read you something. Yes, this is from Northeastern Edu.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is like Northeastern Northeastern Global News and the

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<v Speaker 2>articles did Nick Reiner's drug use mask longstanding mental health problems?

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<v Speaker 2>Experts say drug use may be the first red flag

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<v Speaker 2>to come to parents' attention when a child is dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with symptoms of mental illness. Nick Reiner had been open

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<v Speaker 2>about his addictions, even collaborating with his famous father about

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<v Speaker 2>drug rehab and family tensions in the semiotographical movie Being Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the days since the thirty two year old

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<v Speaker 2>was charged with murder, I'll just skip some of this,

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<v Speaker 2>a picture has emerged of a young man who was

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<v Speaker 2>also beset by mental health problems. I am clearly reported

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<v Speaker 2>that Nick has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, a complex psychotic disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>While The New York Post quoted a family friend as

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<v Speaker 2>saying Nick's outbursts at age eleven were so severe he

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<v Speaker 2>had to be restrained in bear hugs. Psychologists at Northeastern

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<v Speaker 2>Universities said people with depression, anxieties, schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder

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<v Speaker 2>tend to use alcohol and drugs more than the general population.

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<v Speaker 1>There's literal voices if he's schizophrenic, he was quieting paranoia.

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<v Speaker 2>And while the professors said they're not in a position

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<v Speaker 2>of comment on Nick Reiner's situation, they said that in general,

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<v Speaker 2>substance use can play a role in delaying diagnosis and

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<v Speaker 2>treatment of mental health disorders, and in very rare cases,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, drugs and alcohol can tip a mentally ill

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<v Speaker 1>And remember, he was very high on meth when I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know the meth car. People have said that, But

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<v Speaker 1>do we have that as fat in the work, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are just saying that, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that that's been discussed legally yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, maybe saying it because I've heard it from

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<v Speaker 2>several different sources. But it says Robert Lehman, professor and

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<v Speaker 2>chair of Northeastern's Department of Public Health and Health Sciences,

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<v Speaker 2>said using substances can exacerbate symptoms associated with mental health conditions,

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<v Speaker 2>such as schizophrenia, and could increase the risk of violence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's especially the case, he said, if the substance use

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<v Speaker 2>is heavy and the substances are quote associated with psychosis,

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<v Speaker 2>such as cannabis and meth amphetamine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it says that people with mental health diagnoses

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<v Speaker 2>have a higher rate of substance use than those who

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<v Speaker 2>do not have mental illness. There's a big co morbidity

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<v Speaker 2>between those two. And that's what Harvey Levin was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>That he was in a facility for dual diagnosis basically

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with certain mood disorders depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're hearing that he was like this since he

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<v Speaker 2>was eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's yeah, I mean, I don't know, I like.

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<v Speaker 2>It also says starting drug and alcohol use in adolescence,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the early teens, also increases the probability of having

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<v Speaker 2>a mental health disorder down the road. It's a real

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<v Speaker 2>chicken and egg kind of problem. She said. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to disentangle what's going on. It's tough because some disorders,

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<v Speaker 2>like schizophrenia, we may not diagnose until age twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>So the brain itself changes as substance abuse develops, essentially

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<v Speaker 2>rewiring itself. So basically, if he had some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>mental health, right, so it says Nick Reiner said he

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<v Speaker 2>started to abuse drugs as early as age fifteen, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>to self medicate what was going on with him that

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<v Speaker 2>we know went back as far as age eleven. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>this Rageah, so he's self medicating at like fifteen, he's

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<v Speaker 2>already in rehabit age fifteen. Well, if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>You're predisposed to like a mental illness like schizophrenia specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's so schizphrenia one of the things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Your neurons are misfiring to different places, so you're making

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<v Speaker 2>And also you have an excess of dopamine.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're trying to like and I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be like some genius, it just that was my

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<v Speaker 1>I was so interested in that, Like I've read, I had,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a book. A guy came over once and

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<v Speaker 1>there was just a book called like Surviving Schizophrenia on

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<v Speaker 1>my coffee table and he's like, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, no, no, I'm just reading. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I could be though, you know, right, survive it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's interesting. So I will just tell you really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first saw his picture, I knew and I

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<v Speaker 2>Told you that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's that's stay. I know that stare.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, I know it like i've seen it

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<v Speaker 1>because I knew this guy way back exactly like he

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I don't remember which one is a

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<v Speaker 1>I think males get diagnosed a little older girl girls

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<v Speaker 1>are usually around nineteen twenty. It can change, but he

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<v Speaker 1>being so weird and he was like looking around and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not. You're just high, you know. He was smoking

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<v Speaker 1>a shit ton of pot. Cut to two years later,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like fifty one fifty fir schizophrenia. He was

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with schizophrenia. I think I've told you about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he escaped and has been like on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>ever since. And he smokes a shit ton of pots.

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<v Speaker 1>And the pot is to quiet literally quiet the voices

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever other drugs. But if you have a excess

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<v Speaker 1>of dopamine, that's going to make it so much worse

421
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<v Speaker 1>every single time, which is what happened here. But then

422
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<v Speaker 1>the question becomes like, still we go. But a lot

423
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<v Speaker 1>of people have that diagnosis and they don't stab their parents.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Because this guy didn't just one day wake up and

425
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<v Speaker 1>stab his parents. He's been pretty difficult for a long time.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is where this is where I really feel

427
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<v Speaker 2>that there's also personality disorder going on. A personality yeah,

428
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<v Speaker 2>because so like in the rest of this article and

429
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<v Speaker 2>I won't even read you more, but they're talking about

430
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<v Speaker 2>the fact that sometimes when you have mental health stuff

431
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<v Speaker 2>going on or a personality disorder, the drug abuse is

432
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<v Speaker 2>treated first because that's the thing that you see, right,

433
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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing that's most disruptive to the family. They're

434
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<v Speaker 2>kind of saying, So you send them to rehab and

435
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<v Speaker 2>they try to deal with the addiction, right, But if

436
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<v Speaker 2>they're not dealing with what else is going on? Then

437
00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.079
<v Speaker 2>that just keep they it's very difficult to get sober,

438
00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:10.119
<v Speaker 2>which he's been in like twenty mental health facilities. But

439
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:15.640
<v Speaker 2>here's something that seems to me to be a kind

440
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<v Speaker 2>of indicative of personality disorder. And here's another article, the

441
00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:24.680
<v Speaker 2>extreme ruse Nick Reiner invented to score meds ahead of

442
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<v Speaker 2>his parents' murders. So Nick Reiner has attempted to claim

443
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<v Speaker 2>quote crazy before. So I'm saying he previously admitted he

444
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:38.079
<v Speaker 2>once concocted a plan to make himself appear mentally unstable

445
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.839
<v Speaker 2>so he could score medication at a rehab facility. So

446
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:47.599
<v Speaker 2>he told this quote really funny story on the Dopey podcast. Yeah,

447
00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:50.599
<v Speaker 2>we'll he'll be playing that while promoting his and Rob

448
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:54.880
<v Speaker 2>semi autobiographical But he was promoting being Charlie. Here's being Charlie,

449
00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:56.920
<v Speaker 2>which was very bad. It got very bad. Route. Yeah,

450
00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:59.720
<v Speaker 2>here's the quote. They refuse to give me meds because

451
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<v Speaker 2>they were like, you don't need any meds, and I

452
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.039
<v Speaker 2>was freaking out. Nick, who has been to rehab twenty times,

453
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:10.079
<v Speaker 2>told the host, explaining that he then set out to

454
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>quote prove he was crazy. And this is I think

455
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<v Speaker 2>very weird. According to Nick, the medical staff at Alena

456
00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Lodge in New Jersey thought his insistence on needing meds

457
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>was an act and calling his claims fake. I was like,

458
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<v Speaker 2>how do I show these motherfuckers that I'm crazy, he recalled, thinking.

459
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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, I'll thow a rock through a window.

460
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<v Speaker 2>The thirty two year olds who was thirty two at

461
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<v Speaker 2>the sime just decided to target a beloved quote meeting

462
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<v Speaker 2>room of sorts that had big glass windows. He admittedly

463
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<v Speaker 2>quote hated how special the room was to the staff.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's just a bad dude, right, So I took

465
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<v Speaker 2>a rock and I started on the path and I

466
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.519
<v Speaker 2>was going up this hill and I went and I

467
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<v Speaker 2>threw the rock through the window, and some woman saw

468
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<v Speaker 2>me and she rated on me, and then they put

469
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<v Speaker 2>me on well Beautrinnie, he said, with a laugh.

470
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<v Speaker 1>That is just sociopathic, Like you said, that's what I'm saying.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree.

472
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sorry, Like this is we're not his

473
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<v Speaker 1>We're not I mean, it's definitely a mental health professional

474
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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a lawyer, but like we don't know him personally,

475
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<v Speaker 1>but honestly, we can have opinions and based on I

476
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.640
<v Speaker 1>told you when I started watching like when Rob did

477
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<v Speaker 1>the press, he was doing junkets with him for this

478
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>bad movie. And I mean it was so sad to

479
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.319
<v Speaker 1>see how much Rob was trying, like he's like, oh god,

480
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 1>my kid is such a great writer. And I never

481
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<v Speaker 1>really understood what he was going through until he wrote

482
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<v Speaker 1>this and he said Dad, and he's like, you know,

483
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>nobody else should ever direct this. And you can see

484
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.039
<v Speaker 1>his face, like Nick's face. Now, some of that could

485
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 1>be the schizophrenia, that is paranoia. Some of it is that,

486
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<v Speaker 1>it could be that, but also on top of that,

487
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:54.279
<v Speaker 1>like you said, like he looks bad. It's not good.

488
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<v Speaker 1>It's just not good.

489
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<v Speaker 2>And then it's a combination of things and it's very

490
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<v Speaker 2>very difficult to deal with. And I hate the idea

491
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<v Speaker 2>that Rob was sort of blaming himself of like oh

492
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't listened to him. I shouldn't have sent him

493
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<v Speaker 2>to like the you know, the outward Bound or whatever

494
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of they sent him to. It's like, how could

495
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's more he could have done?

496
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<v Speaker 1>It was my fav It's so so very sad, obviously

497
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.680
<v Speaker 1>so tragic, and I just had another thought of I

498
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:28.400
<v Speaker 1>was just going to say something about like tough, tough loving.

499
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I guess. I mean, what a

500
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<v Speaker 1>nightmare for the other siblings. I can't even fathom. And

501
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I had a thought but it's gone. But it was

502
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>something about, you know, tough love. But again, that's really hard.

503
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>He would have done anything, including dying for this kid,

504
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's what he did. But the ironic part is

505
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.759
<v Speaker 1>like he just everybody's everybody's fucked up.

506
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<v Speaker 2>Now, that's that.

507
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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't know how you I just don't know.

508
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if if in any way this can

509
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<v Speaker 1>be like a warning, like a a kind of what

510
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.519
<v Speaker 1>do you call it when a lesson but there's another

511
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>word for it, like you know.

512
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Like a public service announcement.

513
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like kind of in a way for people. Because

514
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<v Speaker 1>you know, what's interesting, I'll just say this too. There's

515
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<v Speaker 1>lots of like people groups on Facebook and places that

516
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 1>are forming about like yep, we had one of those,

517
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<v Speaker 1>yep that was my brother, yep, that was my sister.

518
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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that, and you read these people's stories

519
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, yeah, we had to do this or

520
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.400
<v Speaker 1>were we didn't do this in time and we don't

521
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<v Speaker 1>know where he is or whatever it was, So maybe

522
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<v Speaker 1>it can be a warning for like, but what would

523
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 1>you do, Like if if it was your son.

524
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<v Speaker 2>What would you do? Well, that's the thing, and like,

525
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<v Speaker 2>the the reason why I almost started this out by

526
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.200
<v Speaker 2>saying it seemed unfair that somebody said we were being

527
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<v Speaker 2>gossipy is because, like Lynette, I mean, not to speak

528
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<v Speaker 2>about Lynette without her around, But like she dealt with

529
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<v Speaker 2>a her mother had mental illness, she had schizophrenia, and

530
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.200
<v Speaker 2>they got to call they had to call the pet

531
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<v Speaker 2>team back in the day. She had to like call

532
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<v Speaker 2>services to have her mom taken away at times where

533
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 2>she was like really losing her mind and losing But yeah,

534
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>what do you do? What do you do when you're

535
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 2>like her mom wasn't dangerous, right, you know, it wasn't

536
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>going to hurt somebody usually, but usually you're not.

537
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 3>Right.

538
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.799
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that was kind of our point at

539
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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, Right, you might harm yourself more likely than

540
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<v Speaker 1>you would harm someone else.

541
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 2>People with mental illness are definitely more likely to be

542
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<v Speaker 2>the victim of a vice crime than the perpetrator of

543
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<v Speaker 2>a violent crime.

544
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but in this case it can't happen. Yeah, it

545
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:36.640
<v Speaker 1>can happen though, and in this case, like, yeah, like

546
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you said, and in.

547
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>This case, if he was a dangerous sociopath that so

548
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 2>many people were warning about that that's also like how

549
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 2>do people how do you know, how do you protect yourself? Well?

550
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<v Speaker 1>Here, you know what, that's an interesting I'm glad you

551
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.039
<v Speaker 1>said that because kind of jogs my memory, like he

552
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>was a master or I believe he is a master manipulator,

553
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 1>not unlike a Ted Bundy or anybody liked that. They

554
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:01.839
<v Speaker 1>knew exactly what cards to play at what time. And

555
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you'll never I mean, that's never going to be And

556
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he killed multiple people like Ted Bundy,

557
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but I do think that there's a similarity in this

558
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>person like that because they knew exactly when to pretend

559
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>to be the victim, when to pretend to be all

560
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 1>the things. Yeah, because just by definition of what let's

561
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>say ten but you know, Bundy or dom or something like,

562
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.799
<v Speaker 1>they're mentally ill too, right right, right, Like it's just

563
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<v Speaker 1>not But also.

564
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the idea that he was like it made him

565
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.799
<v Speaker 2>mad that the windows that the glass windows were like

566
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>loved by the staff. That made him mad.

567
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.119
<v Speaker 1>He was so I mean, he obviously had behavioral anger.

568
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>What did we call that?

569
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Opposition, opposition, like he had all that, and he had rage,

570
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>which just caused from whatever. I mean, that's not schitz.

571
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Rage isn't from schizophrenia. So that's its own separate thing,

572
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.079
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying, and that doesn't necessarily mean you're any

573
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.039
<v Speaker 1>of those things. But he had all of them, right,

574
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>all of them. And if you watch the junkets, like

575
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>he just seemed, he comes off like a very angry,

576
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 1>like rich kid, you know what I mean, Like yeah, dad,

577
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and then he's like he doesn't sound I mean, that's

578
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:11.799
<v Speaker 1>the thing. It sounds like he can turn it on

579
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and off at will, and that's kind of crazy too.

580
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.559
<v Speaker 2>That's a manipulation tool.

581
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And then also at the party, we just didn't mention this,

582
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 1>but he was going up to people and going like,

583
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>are you famous?

584
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>What's your name? What's your last name?

585
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>We don't know what that was about, but that's we

586
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>assume that's why Hayter was pretty annoyed. Ye Peter, who

587
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 1>notoriously has anxiety problems and can't leave the house for

588
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>days on end, finally leaves the house to go to

589
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Conan's big grade, like that'll be safe, I'll see all

590
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>my old SNL friends. That'd be great. Then he's the one.

591
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Now he's the face.

592
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Of this mm hmm.

593
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, that's what we know so far. We're probably not

594
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<v Speaker 1>giving you anything brand new, but giving you our take

595
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.480
<v Speaker 1>on it, which is super funny. I mean, it's funny

596
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's deep.

597
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so deep. I know you were going to get

598
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the comedy take on this.

599
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 1>All right.

600
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Rest in peace, Rob Reiner.

601
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening to this podcast and Michelle, poor Michelle

602
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>gets left out of don't you always hate that too?

603
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>With like when Gene Hackman, like she you know, he

604
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>had a wife. She was like an artist, she did shit. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.

605
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 1>They were together a long time in fact, just to

606
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 1>end on a good note sort of, I guess they

607
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 1>met when he was making When Harry Met Sally. Really

608
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the original the original ending of When Harry Met Sally

609
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 1>was going to be really negative because he didn't want

610
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>them to end up together. He didn't like that. But

611
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>when he met her, he was like, he wanted to

612
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 1>reshoot the ending because he believed in love again. Really, yes,

613
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>are you kidding?

614
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I know that? Yes, yes, yes, it's just it's not

615
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 2>that it just didn't test well with a sadday.

616
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>It probably also didn't test well and didn't he also,

617
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was Nora Ephron that wrote it, but

618
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 1>he yeah, he wanted it change. So he was like, yeah,

619
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 1>I believe in love, and now I want to make

620
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the ending, and that's the running in the rain and

621
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>the whole Billy Crystal and Billy Crystal and Albert Brooks,

622
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 1>by the way, we're like his best friends and obviously

623
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 1>genuinely truly devastated.

624
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I think Albert Brooks is just in shock.

625
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I saw an interview with him shortly after and he

626
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 1>was like, it wasn't even there, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, anyway,

627
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>we uh if you posted, and thank you for being

628
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>here and stay safe and Mary christ Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>All right by moving out on Christmas Day? Oh by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, Christmas, No, this is coming out Christmas Eve. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>very Christmas. But we also have another we have another

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<v Speaker 2>episode of Cringe, right, yeah, same day. Maybe a palate cleanser.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe this should be on the day after.

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<v Speaker 2>We're working this out right now in front of you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very meta. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that this should be Friday, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll leave it up to us all right by

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<v Speaker 1>h M.