Speaker 1: Uh, hello, everybody, It is me Cecily Nobler here with
Speaker 1: Stephanie Wilder Taylor the beautiful mostly just beautiful. I take
Speaker 1: away your other compliments. She doesn't have to, you know what.
Speaker 1: Not everyone has to be smart, someone has to be
Speaker 1: funny or nice.
Speaker 2: She's very pretty good. Let the thing at this age,
Speaker 2: I will absolutely take that. Thank you, welcome, thank you, Yes,
Speaker 2: you need it. Okay, today, I guess we shouldn't be
Speaker 2: this light. No, not for this. Maybe should we do
Speaker 2: the other thing for no, I don't have the other short.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna start with what we're gonna start with,
Speaker 1: but that was just to easy win because we're gonna
Speaker 1: get pretty serious and we should definitely say trigger warning.
Speaker 1: We'll say it on the thing that we're saying it now,
Speaker 1: in case you missed the description of the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because this is sure a definite trigger And we waited
Speaker 1: a week or so to talk about it because it
Speaker 1: was like too much even for us.
Speaker 2: Let me say, I wouldn't say one thing, which you know,
Speaker 2: I know is sort of neither here nor there for
Speaker 2: anybody who doesn't listen to for crying out loud, but
Speaker 2: on for crying out loud Lynette and I did do
Speaker 2: an entire episode. It was a Patreon because it was
Speaker 2: sort of right after this had happened about the story,
Speaker 2: not all the not as many details were out at
Speaker 2: the time, and I thought, I just want to say
Speaker 2: this because this is going to be the same for us.
Speaker 2: I thought that we were very respectful and like made it.
Speaker 2: We made it a bigger conversation about parenting a mentally
Speaker 2: ill child, you know, and the difficulties that it would
Speaker 2: seem in that And I and somebody got really offended
Speaker 2: and said that we sounded like to like gossipy whatever. Girls.
Speaker 2: And I just want to say this off the bat,
Speaker 2: because that is not our intention. This is we are
Speaker 2: not Our intention is not at all to gossip about this.
Speaker 2: It's a very sad story, and we just want to
Speaker 2: discuss the horror of it all and sort of and.
Speaker 1: Sort of piece some things together we have. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we haven't said what we're talking about yet, which is
Speaker 1: Rob Reiner. Yeah, and I assume you've heard, so we
Speaker 1: don't have to really tell you this story. We can
Speaker 1: say though, that we were both in complete shock. Like Steph,
Speaker 1: it was like Sunday evening. Steph texted me and she's like,
Speaker 1: did you see this about Rob Reiner? And I looked
Speaker 1: it up and I was like, oh, it looks like
Speaker 1: someone was airbeane being his house and it's not weird
Speaker 1: how our brains do that thing, as though that would
Speaker 1: be okay, as we also why would that even be
Speaker 1: okay that someone airbnbat his house and just got like
Speaker 1: murdered or two bodies were found, Like, also not okay,
Speaker 1: But we have to I don't know, it's like everything
Speaker 1: in the world right now feels like so much that
Speaker 1: we have to make everything a little bit better. Well
Speaker 1: at least this didn't happen, or at least you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And we're like, it can't.
Speaker 2: Be the worst thing. It can't be the worst thing.
Speaker 2: It was just so shocking because it's like a very
Speaker 2: big sort of celebrity who's meant a lot to us
Speaker 2: in our lives, and it just seemed so out of reality.
Speaker 2: And also the way the story was being reported was
Speaker 2: very confusing because they were saying that age, they were
Speaker 2: saying that two people.
Speaker 1: Had died were in Rob Reiner's house, in.
Speaker 2: His house, and the ages of the people were the
Speaker 2: same as Rob Reiner's age, and his wife's age. But
Speaker 2: as we kept saying to each other, we were on
Speaker 2: the phone a bunch during this, we were like, okay,
Speaker 2: but how would they know their ages of the victims?
Speaker 2: In least right? It seemed like it, but we did
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Speaker 1: So as Steven and I are talking about this, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go too into this, but this
Speaker 1: is kind of fascinating. I texted when I saw it.
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, I texted a friend group I
Speaker 1: can say this, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you guys hear about reb Reiner? So the I
Speaker 1: can see one of my friends is dot dot dotting
Speaker 1: like right away, and I guess I can say this
Speaker 1: now I say his name, not gonna say his name.
Speaker 1: But my friend was like, holy shit, you won't believe this.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about it, which we didn't. I didn't even
Speaker 1: on the radio the next day, which I was like,
Speaker 1: should a But he's like, I was at the Conan party.
Speaker 1: So my friend was like, I happened to go to
Speaker 1: the Christmas party at Conan's house, and this is all
Speaker 1: coming in before, so I'm telling Stephanie. I said I
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell anybody, but obviously I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: right right, And I mean, you know I did do that,
Speaker 1: but like I was like uh, and so he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a crazy thing happened at Conan's Christmas party. And then
Speaker 1: he proceeded to tell me everything that came out the
Speaker 1: next day.
Speaker 2: So TMZ didn't new story till later, but we knew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I was getting pieces because I was on
Speaker 1: two different text threads, and one I had said it
Speaker 1: to a different text thread, and my a different friend
Speaker 1: who was not at the party, was like, I'm seeing
Speaker 1: on Reddit that it's the Sun. So that's way before
Speaker 1: it had been put out on TMZ that it was
Speaker 1: the Rob Render's son Nick, who we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: So when I said that to my other thread, he's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you I was at the
Speaker 1: Conan party. The son Nick came in. He was causing
Speaker 1: a trouble. He got into some kind of screaming match
Speaker 1: is the way he described it. Maybe he didn't say
Speaker 1: screaming much, but some kind of like issue with Bill Hayter.
Speaker 2: And then next thing he said.
Speaker 1: Conan looked really like concerned, like kind of looking for security,
Speaker 1: and then he got in a big fight with Rob.
Speaker 2: And that's I mean, everything that we knew.
Speaker 1: And it was so weird to know it in real
Speaker 1: like almost real time before the out like news had it.
Speaker 1: It was I didn't know what to do with that.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, should we go to the police, Like.
Speaker 2: Do they not know yet? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was crazy, Like it was crazy because you know,
Speaker 1: Reddit's been solving crimes. They saw the crime recently. What
Speaker 1: was the crime that they saw something? They're just good like, oh,
Speaker 1: it was the Brown University shooter.
Speaker 2: They found him. Reddit did it, like they traced every
Speaker 2: step of that.
Speaker 1: So, you know, I honestly was thinking, well, if we
Speaker 1: have all this information, honestly, I might should call the police.
Speaker 1: I didn't, but they already they already Jamsey knew, so
Speaker 1: are the outlets didn't They held it and the reason
Speaker 1: that they held so we'll get into that. We don't.
Speaker 2: So I have a friend too, I have a friend.
Speaker 2: My friend told me that, like friend of a friend
Speaker 2: situation was the massage therapist and this was reported that
Speaker 2: came to their house.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know this. You're a better friend because
Speaker 1: you didn't tell.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, it wasn't even a secret. So my friend
Speaker 2: told me that, Okay, her husband's partner has a massage Anyway,
Speaker 2: the massage therapist went to the house and they didn't answer.
Speaker 2: The door was Robin Michelle's messuse, and they didn't answer.
Speaker 2: So he called the daughter and that's how she got alerted,
Speaker 2: and she went into the house to go look for them.
Speaker 1: And then the daughter is the one that knew. She's like,
Speaker 1: that's the suspect. That's who you should she knew was
Speaker 1: the brother, right, like without knowing, without knowing.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Yeah, yeah, we won't. I don't
Speaker 2: think we should describe what happened. No, but I need
Speaker 2: to make everybody knows.
Speaker 1: And some of the bullet points, I guess broad strokes
Speaker 1: that Nick the son, which will get into his mental
Speaker 1: health and other things. But he immediately knew he had
Speaker 1: checked himself into a hotel immediately. He immediately used his
Speaker 1: own credit card. That's important in the story for some reason.
Speaker 1: But to book the best lawyer, I shouldn't say best,
Speaker 1: the skeeviest lawyer there is that could probably get him off.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's Diddy's lawyer, Marty sand Yeah,
Speaker 1: Marty Singer. So he did that. So I just want
Speaker 1: to put that in and people can say whatever they want,
Speaker 1: but I just want to My opinion is like I
Speaker 1: don't My big opinion is I don't know how mentally
Speaker 1: it like if you kill someone and if you kill
Speaker 1: your parents, especially in cold blood, you're everyone that does
Speaker 1: that is mentally ill. It is not a reason to
Speaker 1: get off in my opinion. That's just my opinion. But
Speaker 1: he knew enough, being so mentally ill and so fucked
Speaker 1: up to call the best lawyer that there is. Somehow
Speaker 1: he did because you know what I'm saying, Like if
Speaker 1: you're Charles Manson and you're ranting and raving on a mountaintop,
Speaker 1: you know I love Manson?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you do.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I just like a great position. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: he's attractive. I'm just kidding. I don't like him, but
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, there's to me, it's like if you had the
Speaker 1: sound mind check yourself in a hotel and call get
Speaker 1: a lawyer with your own credit card. That's interesting to me.
Speaker 1: It's just information that's to me. I apply it in
Speaker 1: a different way, but it's information. We're going to get
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: Before we even get into all that, I just want
Speaker 2: to say that, like where I feel like I want
Speaker 2: to come from in talking about this, because I'm not
Speaker 2: a mental health expert, but I think one of the
Speaker 2: points that I think is difficult for addicts. Okay, because
Speaker 2: this guy Nick is a drug addict, I just want
Speaker 2: to say, like, not all addicts, and it's almost appable,
Speaker 2: Like the whole idea of putting this there's mental illness,
Speaker 2: there's also in my mind and this is of course,
Speaker 2: you know, only my professional opinion as a podcaster, but
Speaker 2: personality disorder too is a major thing. And to to
Speaker 2: say that like a lot of drug addicts are not
Speaker 2: violent people, right, the addicts like they're like they.
Speaker 1: Have a the same with any mental That's the thing
Speaker 1: I guess the person is trying to make yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: So it's really kind of tacky. It's hard on the community,
Speaker 2: and it's hard on parents that like to blame the
Speaker 2: parents and blame you know and people that have family
Speaker 2: members that are dealing with mental illness, like this is rare,
Speaker 2: this is rare to be this, and we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about some things that make me think more sociopath.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent is what I one hundred percent agree. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should first like play you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: hear this. Hopefully there's no reason on music, right, let's
Speaker 1: try to think so. So this is on This was
Speaker 1: from TikTok and this was four days ago, and I
Speaker 1: think it's the first time that I know. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm going to say this about Harvey Levin of
Speaker 1: TMZ has been giving very like thoughtful like play by
Speaker 1: plays of what's going on. Because he's wasn't a lawyer.
Speaker 1: He comes from like a legal stamp.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: So this is what he said. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a newer one, but let me just see if
Speaker 1: this even works.
Speaker 2: Okay, not guilty, And this is right before he pleaded
Speaker 2: can you hear it? Yeah? Now I can't diagnosed now
Speaker 2: I can't schizophrenia.
Speaker 3: And he was under the care of a psychiatrist in
Speaker 3: receiving meds. His behavior in the month before the murders,
Speaker 3: and this is a quote from sources with direct knowledge,
Speaker 3: was erratic and dangerous. He went to an la rehab facility.
Speaker 3: In the time before the murders. He had been to
Speaker 3: a number, but in particular this one that specializes in
Speaker 3: treating mental illness. It's really expensive. It cost seventy thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a month. Lots of rich, powerful parents send their
Speaker 3: kids to this facility who have mental illness. And Nick
Speaker 3: was there in the three to four weeks, and this
Speaker 3: is so important. In the three to four weeks leading
Speaker 3: up to the murders, Nick's medications were changed, and they
Speaker 3: were changed because he was exhibiting more and more erratic
Speaker 3: and dangerous behavior. When they were changed, they weren't right
Speaker 3: and it was making him, as one source put it, crazy,
Speaker 3: and the doctors were trying to adjust the meds, but
Speaker 3: it wasn't mosty, and he was getting more and more erratic.
Speaker 3: In addition to that, Nick was abusing substances, and we're
Speaker 3: told the substance abuse worsened the schizophrenia.
Speaker 2: So all of this.
Speaker 3: Paints a picture of someone. In fact, these words were
Speaker 3: used to us by one of these sources with direct
Speaker 3: knowledge that he was quot out of his head at
Speaker 3: the time of the murders. So, based on everything I know,
Speaker 3: is not going to be a case where they can
Speaker 3: test that Nick did it. I think they're going to
Speaker 3: concede it. I don't know that for a fact.
Speaker 1: That's basically it. He's just talking about the legality of it.
Speaker 1: Now there's another one too, where they talk more specifically
Speaker 1: about the meds and how like, yeah, he was on
Speaker 1: all the wrong meds. He shouldn't have even been in rehab.
Speaker 1: I mean, things that you can sort of see in hindsight.
Speaker 1: But so let's talk about that a little bit. Because
Speaker 1: to me, even though Harvey's you know, he can be
Speaker 1: cool sometimes sometimes he is also a puppet for.
Speaker 2: Other legal teams.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've noticed that TMZ is not
Speaker 1: They're not exactly like objective news.
Speaker 2: Right, But what to me, what would be his take
Speaker 2: on it?
Speaker 1: Because he wants him to get off on insanity defense,
Speaker 1: Like Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you an example
Speaker 1: and then I'll just you say what ever, Like I
Speaker 1: look at anybody that does something like this, like a
Speaker 1: Dahmer or somebody who like, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that trial was. I didn't, I
Speaker 1: don't know I who. We're too young for that. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the Dahmer trial was. But like basically
Speaker 1: what he'd said, and I've talked about this, is that
Speaker 1: he said, don't don't you don't need Yeah, I did it,
Speaker 1: keep me in jail, I will do this again. Don't
Speaker 1: let me out, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: anybody could say that. I think if you've done that,
Speaker 1: then that's what you've done. And to your point, like,
Speaker 1: not all addicts, not all people with mental health, schizophrenia, bipolar,
Speaker 1: any whatever it may be, it's not a defense. Like
Speaker 1: if this guy walks. I The ironic part is is
Speaker 1: probably what Rob would have wanted. That's the weirdest part
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around is it seems like he
Speaker 1: was just Rob and Michelle would do we're trying to
Speaker 1: do everything for their kid, understandably, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what that feels like because I don't have kids, and
Speaker 1: I think they just did not. He thought if he
Speaker 1: loved him hard enough and was like, you gave him
Speaker 1: enough money, made a movie for him, he'd be okay,
Speaker 1: but the he wasn't okay right right, And I mean
Speaker 1: beyond here, let me turn off Hararby because he's still
Speaker 1: family m but beyond mental health and beyond addiction, like
Speaker 1: he you know how.
Speaker 2: We were saying like maybe he's just.
Speaker 1: Well not great. I mean, I know you think he's cute,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's cute.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I guess. And maybe this is judgmental, but uh, okay,
Speaker 2: let me read you something. Yes, this is from Northeastern Edu.
Speaker 2: So this is like Northeastern Northeastern Global News and the
Speaker 2: articles did Nick Reiner's drug use mask longstanding mental health problems?
Speaker 2: Experts say drug use may be the first red flag
Speaker 2: to come to parents' attention when a child is dealing
Speaker 2: with symptoms of mental illness. Nick Reiner had been open
Speaker 2: about his addictions, even collaborating with his famous father about
Speaker 2: drug rehab and family tensions in the semiotographical movie Being Charlie.
Speaker 2: But in the days since the thirty two year old
Speaker 2: was charged with murder, I'll just skip some of this,
Speaker 2: a picture has emerged of a young man who was
Speaker 2: also beset by mental health problems. I am clearly reported
Speaker 2: that Nick has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, a complex psychotic disorder.
Speaker 2: While The New York Post quoted a family friend as
Speaker 2: saying Nick's outbursts at age eleven were so severe he
Speaker 2: had to be restrained in bear hugs. Psychologists at Northeastern
Speaker 2: Universities said people with depression, anxieties, schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder
Speaker 2: tend to use alcohol and drugs more than the general population.
Speaker 1: There's literal voices if he's schizophrenic, he was quieting paranoia.
Speaker 2: And while the professors said they're not in a position
Speaker 2: of comment on Nick Reiner's situation, they said that in general,
Speaker 2: substance use can play a role in delaying diagnosis and
Speaker 2: treatment of mental health disorders, and in very rare cases,
Speaker 2: they said, drugs and alcohol can tip a mentally ill
Speaker 2: person into homicidal behavior.
Speaker 1: And remember, he was very high on meth when I
Speaker 1: didn't know the meth car. People have said that, But
Speaker 1: do we have that as fat in the work, because
Speaker 1: I think people are just saying that, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that that's been discussed legally yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, maybe saying it because I've heard it from
Speaker 2: several different sources. But it says Robert Lehman, professor and
Speaker 2: chair of Northeastern's Department of Public Health and Health Sciences,
Speaker 2: said using substances can exacerbate symptoms associated with mental health conditions,
Speaker 2: such as schizophrenia, and could increase the risk of violence.
Speaker 2: It's especially the case, he said, if the substance use
Speaker 2: is heavy and the substances are quote associated with psychosis,
Speaker 2: such as cannabis and meth amphetamine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then it says that people with mental health diagnoses
Speaker 2: have a higher rate of substance use than those who
Speaker 2: do not have mental illness. There's a big co morbidity
Speaker 2: between those two. And that's what Harvey Levin was saying.
Speaker 2: That he was in a facility for dual diagnosis basically
Speaker 2: particularly with certain mood disorders depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder.
Speaker 2: But we're hearing that he was like this since he
Speaker 2: was eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, I mean, I don't know, I like.
Speaker 2: It also says starting drug and alcohol use in adolescence,
Speaker 2: particularly the early teens, also increases the probability of having
Speaker 2: a mental health disorder down the road. It's a real
Speaker 2: chicken and egg kind of problem. She said. It's very
Speaker 2: difficult to disentangle what's going on. It's tough because some disorders,
Speaker 2: like schizophrenia, we may not diagnose until age twenty five.
Speaker 2: So the brain itself changes as substance abuse develops, essentially
Speaker 2: rewiring itself. So basically, if he had some kind of
Speaker 2: mental health, right, so it says Nick Reiner said he
Speaker 2: started to abuse drugs as early as age fifteen, maybe
Speaker 2: to self medicate what was going on with him that
Speaker 2: we know went back as far as age eleven. Right,
Speaker 2: this Rageah, so he's self medicating at like fifteen, he's
Speaker 2: already in rehabit age fifteen. Well, if you have a
Speaker 2: pre if.
Speaker 1: You're predisposed to like a mental illness like schizophrenia specifically,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's so schizphrenia one of the things.
Speaker 2: There's lots of things.
Speaker 1: Your neurons are misfiring to different places, so you're making
Speaker 1: connections that are not really there.
Speaker 2: And also you have an excess of dopamine.
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to like and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be like some genius, it just that was my
Speaker 1: I was so interested in that, Like I've read, I had,
Speaker 1: I had a book. A guy came over once and
Speaker 1: there was just a book called like Surviving Schizophrenia on
Speaker 1: my coffee table and he's like, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, no, no, I'm just reading. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean I could be though, you know, right, survive it,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting. So I will just tell you really quick.
Speaker 1: When I first saw his picture, I knew and I
Speaker 1: think I.
Speaker 2: Told you that.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's stay. I know that stare.
Speaker 1: I know that, I know it like i've seen it
Speaker 1: because I knew this guy way back exactly like he
Speaker 1: was in his twenties.
Speaker 2: And I think I don't remember which one is a
Speaker 2: little older.
Speaker 1: I think males get diagnosed a little older girl girls
Speaker 1: are usually around nineteen twenty. It can change, but he
Speaker 1: could be around twenty nine. And I remember like going
Speaker 1: to do a comedy show with this guy that I
Speaker 1: was like a friend of a friend's and he was
Speaker 1: being so weird and he was like looking around and
Speaker 1: he's like they're talking, they're talking about us, and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're not. You're just high, you know. He was smoking
Speaker 1: a shit ton of pot. Cut to two years later,
Speaker 1: he was like fifty one fifty fir schizophrenia. He was
Speaker 1: diagnosed with schizophrenia. I think I've told you about that,
Speaker 1: and he escaped and has been like on the streets
Speaker 1: ever since. And he smokes a shit ton of pots.
Speaker 1: And the pot is to quiet literally quiet the voices
Speaker 1: or whatever other drugs. But if you have a excess
Speaker 1: of dopamine, that's going to make it so much worse
Speaker 1: every single time, which is what happened here. But then
Speaker 1: the question becomes like, still we go. But a lot
Speaker 1: of people have that diagnosis and they don't stab their parents.
Speaker 1: Because this guy didn't just one day wake up and
Speaker 1: stab his parents. He's been pretty difficult for a long time.
Speaker 2: Well, this is where this is where I really feel
Speaker 2: that there's also personality disorder going on. A personality yeah,
Speaker 2: because so like in the rest of this article and
Speaker 2: I won't even read you more, but they're talking about
Speaker 2: the fact that sometimes when you have mental health stuff
Speaker 2: going on or a personality disorder, the drug abuse is
Speaker 2: treated first because that's the thing that you see, right,
Speaker 2: that's the thing that's most disruptive to the family. They're
Speaker 2: kind of saying, So you send them to rehab and
Speaker 2: they try to deal with the addiction, right, But if
Speaker 2: they're not dealing with what else is going on? Then
Speaker 2: that just keep they it's very difficult to get sober,
Speaker 2: which he's been in like twenty mental health facilities. But
Speaker 2: here's something that seems to me to be a kind
Speaker 2: of indicative of personality disorder. And here's another article, the
Speaker 2: extreme ruse Nick Reiner invented to score meds ahead of
Speaker 2: his parents' murders. So Nick Reiner has attempted to claim
Speaker 2: quote crazy before. So I'm saying he previously admitted he
Speaker 2: once concocted a plan to make himself appear mentally unstable
Speaker 2: so he could score medication at a rehab facility. So
Speaker 2: he told this quote really funny story on the Dopey podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll he'll be playing that while promoting his and Rob
Speaker 2: semi autobiographical But he was promoting being Charlie. Here's being Charlie,
Speaker 2: which was very bad. It got very bad. Route. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here's the quote. They refuse to give me meds because
Speaker 2: they were like, you don't need any meds, and I
Speaker 2: was freaking out. Nick, who has been to rehab twenty times,
Speaker 2: told the host, explaining that he then set out to
Speaker 2: quote prove he was crazy. And this is I think
Speaker 2: very weird. According to Nick, the medical staff at Alena
Speaker 2: Lodge in New Jersey thought his insistence on needing meds
Speaker 2: was an act and calling his claims fake. I was like,
Speaker 2: how do I show these motherfuckers that I'm crazy, he recalled, thinking.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'll thow a rock through a window.
Speaker 2: The thirty two year olds who was thirty two at
Speaker 2: the sime just decided to target a beloved quote meeting
Speaker 2: room of sorts that had big glass windows. He admittedly
Speaker 2: quote hated how special the room was to the staff.
Speaker 2: Oh that's just a bad dude, right, So I took
Speaker 2: a rock and I started on the path and I
Speaker 2: was going up this hill and I went and I
Speaker 2: threw the rock through the window, and some woman saw
Speaker 2: me and she rated on me, and then they put
Speaker 2: me on well Beautrinnie, he said, with a laugh.
Speaker 1: That is just sociopathic, Like you said, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, Like this is we're not his
Speaker 1: We're not I mean, it's definitely a mental health professional
Speaker 1: and I'm a lawyer, but like we don't know him personally,
Speaker 1: but honestly, we can have opinions and based on I
Speaker 1: told you when I started watching like when Rob did
Speaker 1: the press, he was doing junkets with him for this
Speaker 1: bad movie. And I mean it was so sad to
Speaker 1: see how much Rob was trying, like he's like, oh god,
Speaker 1: my kid is such a great writer. And I never
Speaker 1: really understood what he was going through until he wrote
Speaker 1: this and he said Dad, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody else should ever direct this. And you can see
Speaker 1: his face, like Nick's face. Now, some of that could
Speaker 1: be the schizophrenia, that is paranoia. Some of it is that,
Speaker 1: it could be that, but also on top of that,
Speaker 1: like you said, like he looks bad. It's not good.
Speaker 1: It's just not good.
Speaker 2: And then it's a combination of things and it's very
Speaker 2: very difficult to deal with. And I hate the idea
Speaker 2: that Rob was sort of blaming himself of like oh
Speaker 2: I shouldn't listened to him. I shouldn't have sent him
Speaker 2: to like the you know, the outward Bound or whatever
Speaker 2: kind of they sent him to. It's like, how could
Speaker 2: I don't think there's more he could have done?
Speaker 1: It was my fav It's so so very sad, obviously
Speaker 1: so tragic, and I just had another thought of I
Speaker 1: was just going to say something about like tough, tough loving.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I guess. I mean, what a
Speaker 1: nightmare for the other siblings. I can't even fathom. And
Speaker 1: I had a thought but it's gone. But it was
Speaker 1: something about, you know, tough love. But again, that's really hard.
Speaker 1: He would have done anything, including dying for this kid,
Speaker 1: and that's what he did. But the ironic part is
Speaker 1: like he just everybody's everybody's fucked up.
Speaker 2: Now, that's that.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know how you I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if in any way this can
Speaker 1: be like a warning, like a a kind of what
Speaker 1: do you call it when a lesson but there's another
Speaker 1: word for it, like you know.
Speaker 2: Like a public service announcement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like kind of in a way for people. Because
Speaker 1: you know, what's interesting, I'll just say this too. There's
Speaker 1: lots of like people groups on Facebook and places that
Speaker 1: are forming about like yep, we had one of those,
Speaker 1: yep that was my brother, yep, that was my sister.
Speaker 1: A lot of that, and you read these people's stories
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we had to do this or
Speaker 1: were we didn't do this in time and we don't
Speaker 1: know where he is or whatever it was, So maybe
Speaker 1: it can be a warning for like, but what would
Speaker 1: you do, Like if if it was your son.
Speaker 2: What would you do? Well, that's the thing, and like,
Speaker 2: the the reason why I almost started this out by
Speaker 2: saying it seemed unfair that somebody said we were being
Speaker 2: gossipy is because, like Lynette, I mean, not to speak
Speaker 2: about Lynette without her around, But like she dealt with
Speaker 2: a her mother had mental illness, she had schizophrenia, and
Speaker 2: they got to call they had to call the pet
Speaker 2: team back in the day. She had to like call
Speaker 2: services to have her mom taken away at times where
Speaker 2: she was like really losing her mind and losing But yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you do? What do you do when you're
Speaker 2: like her mom wasn't dangerous, right, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: going to hurt somebody usually, but usually you're not.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that was kind of our point at
Speaker 1: the beginning, Right, you might harm yourself more likely than
Speaker 1: you would harm someone else.
Speaker 2: People with mental illness are definitely more likely to be
Speaker 2: the victim of a vice crime than the perpetrator of
Speaker 2: a violent crime.
Speaker 1: Yes, but in this case it can't happen. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: can happen though, and in this case, like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: you said, and in.
Speaker 2: This case, if he was a dangerous sociopath that so
Speaker 2: many people were warning about that that's also like how
Speaker 2: do people how do you know, how do you protect yourself? Well?
Speaker 1: Here, you know what, that's an interesting I'm glad you
Speaker 1: said that because kind of jogs my memory, like he
Speaker 1: was a master or I believe he is a master manipulator,
Speaker 1: not unlike a Ted Bundy or anybody liked that. They
Speaker 1: knew exactly what cards to play at what time. And
Speaker 1: you'll never I mean, that's never going to be And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he killed multiple people like Ted Bundy,
Speaker 1: but I do think that there's a similarity in this
Speaker 1: person like that because they knew exactly when to pretend
Speaker 1: to be the victim, when to pretend to be all
Speaker 1: the things. Yeah, because just by definition of what let's
Speaker 1: say ten but you know, Bundy or dom or something like,
Speaker 1: they're mentally ill too, right right, right, Like it's just
Speaker 1: not But also.
Speaker 2: Yes, the idea that he was like it made him
Speaker 2: mad that the windows that the glass windows were like
Speaker 2: loved by the staff. That made him mad.
Speaker 1: He was so I mean, he obviously had behavioral anger.
Speaker 2: What did we call that?
Speaker 1: Opposition, opposition, like he had all that, and he had rage,
Speaker 1: which just caused from whatever. I mean, that's not schitz.
Speaker 1: Rage isn't from schizophrenia. So that's its own separate thing,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, and that doesn't necessarily mean you're any
Speaker 1: of those things. But he had all of them, right,
Speaker 1: all of them. And if you watch the junkets, like
Speaker 1: he just seemed, he comes off like a very angry,
Speaker 1: like rich kid, you know what I mean, Like yeah, dad,
Speaker 1: and then he's like he doesn't sound I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It sounds like he can turn it on
Speaker 1: and off at will, and that's kind of crazy too.
Speaker 2: That's a manipulation tool.
Speaker 1: And then also at the party, we just didn't mention this,
Speaker 1: but he was going up to people and going like,
Speaker 1: are you famous?
Speaker 2: What's your name? What's your last name?
Speaker 1: We don't know what that was about, but that's we
Speaker 1: assume that's why Hayter was pretty annoyed. Ye Peter, who
Speaker 1: notoriously has anxiety problems and can't leave the house for
Speaker 1: days on end, finally leaves the house to go to
Speaker 1: Conan's big grade, like that'll be safe, I'll see all
Speaker 1: my old SNL friends. That'd be great. Then he's the one.
Speaker 1: Now he's the face.
Speaker 2: Of this mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's what we know so far. We're probably not
Speaker 1: giving you anything brand new, but giving you our take
Speaker 1: on it, which is super funny. I mean, it's funny
Speaker 1: and it's deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so deep. I know you were going to get
Speaker 2: the comedy take on this.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Rest in peace, Rob Reiner.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this podcast and Michelle, poor Michelle
Speaker 1: gets left out of don't you always hate that too?
Speaker 1: With like when Gene Hackman, like she you know, he
Speaker 1: had a wife. She was like an artist, she did shit. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were together a long time in fact, just to
Speaker 1: end on a good note sort of, I guess they
Speaker 1: met when he was making When Harry Met Sally. Really
Speaker 1: the original the original ending of When Harry Met Sally
Speaker 1: was going to be really negative because he didn't want
Speaker 1: them to end up together. He didn't like that. But
Speaker 1: when he met her, he was like, he wanted to
Speaker 1: reshoot the ending because he believed in love again. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: are you kidding?
Speaker 2: I know that? Yes, yes, yes, it's just it's not
Speaker 2: that it just didn't test well with a sadday.
Speaker 1: It probably also didn't test well and didn't he also,
Speaker 1: I mean it was Nora Ephron that wrote it, but
Speaker 1: he yeah, he wanted it change. So he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe in love, and now I want to make
Speaker 1: the ending, and that's the running in the rain and
Speaker 1: the whole Billy Crystal and Billy Crystal and Albert Brooks,
Speaker 1: by the way, we're like his best friends and obviously
Speaker 1: genuinely truly devastated.
Speaker 2: I think Albert Brooks is just in shock.
Speaker 1: I saw an interview with him shortly after and he
Speaker 1: was like, it wasn't even there, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: we uh if you posted, and thank you for being
Speaker 1: here and stay safe and Mary christ Christmas.
Speaker 2: All right by moving out on Christmas Day? Oh by
Speaker 2: the way, Christmas, No, this is coming out Christmas Eve. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: very Christmas. But we also have another we have another
Speaker 2: episode of Cringe, right, yeah, same day. Maybe a palate cleanser.
Speaker 2: I guess maybe this should be on the day after.
Speaker 2: We're working this out right now in front of you.
Speaker 2: It's very meta. We'll see.
Speaker 1: I think I think that this should be Friday, and
Speaker 1: then we'll leave it up to us all right by
Speaker 1: h M.