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Speaker 1: for Mind, Body and Spirit. Today's podcast is a topic
Speaker 1: that I am extremely passionate about, as I know many
Speaker 1: of you are as well. We're talking about animals with
Speaker 1: a very seasoned and very good professional animal communicator. And
Speaker 1: I know we've got a lot of really fun things
Speaker 1: to talk about. So Nicole Harp, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I want, let me give everyone a proper introduction to Nicole.
Speaker 1: She's an author, award-winning artist, professional interspecies animal communicator, who
Speaker 1: has been featured on numerous metaphysical podcasts and regularly teaches
Speaker 1: soul painting classes at the Edgar Cayce Center for Enlightenment,
Speaker 1: where she guides participants beyond the analytical mind and into
Speaker 1: creative heart-centered expression. She also offers animal communication mentorship programs,
Speaker 1: supporting others in developing their intuitive abilities and deepening their
Speaker 1: connection with animals. She's the author of Colors of Consciousness,
Speaker 1: 25 Soul Paintings, a collection exploring the intersection of art, energy,
Speaker 1: and spiritual awareness. And she is coming to us from Norfolk,
Speaker 1: Virginia today. So welcome, Nicole, again. Thank you. You were
Speaker 1: at our Spirit Fest in Virginia Beach. Yep.
Speaker 2: This year and the year, year before. Yes.
Speaker 1: Were you at our DC show too? I want to say.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, I don't really do the circuit, but. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: Noted.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do some, some at the ARE, but no,
Speaker 2: I love your festival because it's, it's just totally different,
Speaker 2: different group of people, different energy, but yeah, it was,
Speaker 2: it was back to back. Awesome.
Speaker 1: We've already got our date set for next year. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be, I think just a week later,
Speaker 1: it's going to be mid October next year. So anytime's good.
Speaker 1: But we love coming to Virginia Beach. The energy there
Speaker 1: is also really special. You know, we could say that
Speaker 1: about every place we go, but it really is unique.
Speaker 1: And we're doing a lot more with the Edgar Cayce people, too.
Speaker 1: I think that is some of the best, highest level
Speaker 1: information out there, especially because his readings were unadulterated. In
Speaker 1: other words, it was before the Internet and everything. But
Speaker 1: as I was reading your biography... I was kind of
Speaker 1: thinking about what some of the similarities are between your
Speaker 1: creative work with art and your communication with the animals.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you're using a similar talent or
Speaker 1: communication style when you're doing that? This was just totally
Speaker 1: off the cuff.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny that that's off the cuff because I
Speaker 2: was thinking while you were reading, immediately what came to
Speaker 2: mind is how animal communication and the act of creating
Speaker 2: They're both innate to us. We come in the world
Speaker 2: being able to do it. Both we kind of like
Speaker 2: lose somewhere down the line. Right. So in communication, you
Speaker 2: come in being able to communicate or we're nonverbal. And
Speaker 2: then we, you know, unless you have and then the
Speaker 2: verbal starts, the words start to take over and then
Speaker 2: the telepathic starts to fall away. Unless you have a
Speaker 2: family that really nurtures and cultivates that, right? Same thing
Speaker 2: with creativity. We're making, we're creating like bada bing, bada
Speaker 2: bada bing, bada boom as kids. We're just doing it
Speaker 2: all the time. We don't think twice about it. And
Speaker 2: then somewhere that falls away, right? And creativity doesn't have
Speaker 2: to mean, as you know, visual arts, you know, performing arts,
Speaker 2: all that. I mean, you can be creative. I have
Speaker 2: a friend that was an art major who turned lawyer
Speaker 2: who used all her creative problem solving to uncover the
Speaker 2: egg price fixing industry um the grocery stores and the
Speaker 2: tennessee walking horses the high stepping so she like broke
Speaker 2: all that stuff but through creative backdoor ways of thinking
Speaker 2: so we're always creating we're always making and you know
Speaker 2: animals are always communicating telepathically because they need to thrive
Speaker 2: and survive so they've never forgotten they don't they don't
Speaker 2: they don't No one ever told them they couldn't. They've
Speaker 2: not forgotten that they can't. So it's just remembering. But
Speaker 2: those two things bring us back to that. And both
Speaker 2: of them really help us with understanding ourselves in the collective.
Speaker 2: And they're both healing. you know, my spouse and I
Speaker 2: are walking today, and we're like, why is everything about healing?
Speaker 2: Why do we need so much healing? You know, and
Speaker 2: it seems like it just, you know, but that's a separate,
Speaker 2: that's probably a separate podcast, but both of those do it, Marion.
Speaker 2: They both help us bring us back to ourselves, and,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're looking at our animals, really, there's
Speaker 2: so much they do, and we can talk about that,
Speaker 2: but they are, too, just so much presence, so much healing,
Speaker 2: so much bringing everything inside, outside, right, because getting it
Speaker 2: out of our heads and into our heart. Right.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about how, and that was what
Speaker 1: we called our show today, about how they influence our life,
Speaker 1: how they teach us. So let's start at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about animal communication, what it is and
Speaker 1: what it isn't.
Speaker 2: So it's not someone behaviorist, an animal behaviorist, like reading
Speaker 2: your animal's body language or Um, it's a telepathic communication.
Speaker 2: So it's across distances as tele meaning communication and, uh, pathy,
Speaker 2: you know, or the other way around, but it's an,
Speaker 2: it's a nonverbal communication across any, any distance. Um, and
Speaker 2: once you've communicated, there's no longer the distance. So if
Speaker 2: I'm communicating with your animal there, it doesn't matter where
Speaker 2: you live. Once we're communicating, they're right here right now.
Speaker 2: So there's no, um, Yeah. I might have to do
Speaker 2: that too later, but there's no, yeah.
Speaker 1: I've got a few in the room, so.
Speaker 2: I know. And I love doing, I call them rapid
Speaker 2: fire communications, but one of them wants to kind of,
Speaker 2: you've never had an animal communication.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I know. And that one over there, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: which one, but yeah, it's funny. It's kind of going
Speaker 2: off your, but it's funny how they, some, and I'll
Speaker 2: go back to what it is and what it isn't,
Speaker 2: but Well, that's what it is. But some, like the one,
Speaker 2: and I feel it's a dog, but he's a little
Speaker 2: shy and they're like, what is this? Like, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to kind of feel in their energy, the one that's
Speaker 2: lying down there. And I don't know, as I speak
Speaker 2: about that one, because I'm honestly, that one's not giving
Speaker 2: me much about whether it's a cat or a dog.
Speaker 1: There's literally two within 10 inches of a foot. The
Speaker 1: cat's right here and the dog's behind me.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well then they very much share energy and they're
Speaker 2: both seem kind of, so what's the one, so I
Speaker 2: think it's the one to the right, it's a dog. What's,
Speaker 2: is it, is that, which one's lighter with maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit of brown or a lighter?
Speaker 1: The dog is a blonde and corgi.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. That's the one. It's funny though. They play
Speaker 2: off each other so well, but my point is that
Speaker 2: they were both like, we've never had this before. We're
Speaker 2: a little cautious. Who are you? just because they're not
Speaker 2: used to it. But once, you know, I start to,
Speaker 2: you know, let them know that I'm here, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm always here to, you know, to bring peace and
Speaker 2: harmony and just to really just be an open hollow
Speaker 2: bone vessel to hear what they're wanting to share. And
Speaker 2: it's a communication. It's not a reading, back to your question.
Speaker 2: It's not me reading them. It's a back and forth. And,
Speaker 2: you know, it's any question goes, you know, it's interesting because,
Speaker 2: do our pet, do our animals, because I don't call
Speaker 2: them pets, but do our, because it's free will, right?
Speaker 2: And we'll send you beings capable of free will, consciousness, likes, dislikes, opinions.
Speaker 2: And we don't own them. We're their guardians, lucky enough
Speaker 2: to be their guardians, but like I said, across distances.
Speaker 2: So once that distance, once we connect, there is no
Speaker 2: longer that distance and it's instantaneous. And, you know, we
Speaker 2: can be, your animal can be connecting with 2000 people
Speaker 2: at one time. It's time space continuum. There's no You know,
Speaker 2: there's no lag in that, right? You can ask one
Speaker 2: question or 20,000 questions to, say, one of my animals
Speaker 2: here in the room or yours, and they can just,
Speaker 2: you know, be sending back, sending back. I mean, it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, they're really good at that. They didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: they've never, like I said, they never were told they
Speaker 2: couldn't anymore. So....
Speaker 1: How does it, you know, help with people's relationships with
Speaker 1: their animals?
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
Speaker 1: Um.
Speaker 2: Well, so since animals choose, well, okay, let's go back
Speaker 2: even further. So, you know, you you attracted a particular
Speaker 2: animal into your life because both of you have similar
Speaker 2: gifts to offer and emotional wounds to heal. So, you know,
Speaker 2: you signed up together, you agreed before you came in
Speaker 2: here with a contract and because animals and forever, however
Speaker 2: long or short the animals in your life, just like people.
Speaker 1: Maybe give us some examples of like really profound things
Speaker 1: that have come through in the readings. So the question was,
Speaker 1: you know, how does it help with the relationships or
Speaker 1: how does it make a difference? But maybe give us
Speaker 1: some examples.
Speaker 2: Well, well, let me just get back to the, let me,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I had a brain fart. I'd done that
Speaker 2: twice to, you know, maybe it's like what the, you know, the,
Speaker 2: the malfunction with the, the, the software when we came on.
Speaker 2: But so, you know, animals really, help us understand what
Speaker 2: it means to be human, to be ourselves. Since their
Speaker 2: behavior models mirrors and inspires, they're always reflecting back to
Speaker 2: us ourselves. And so in animal consciousness, there's no good
Speaker 2: and bad. There's no cause and effect. They're in spiritual consciousness.
Speaker 2: And so there's no good and bad and cause and effect.
Speaker 2: It's everything is, you know, what we're supposed to understand
Speaker 2: and see about ourselves. Yeah. And I will say this too,
Speaker 2: you know, people, this whole thing about whether animal communication
Speaker 2: is real or not real. Since animals are the force
Speaker 2: of love and love happens in spiritual consciousness, there's no
Speaker 2: way if you know your animal loves you and you
Speaker 2: love them, there's no way you can't not believe in,
Speaker 2: in that they're sentient and conscious, have consciousness because that
Speaker 2: love is created in your consciousness.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Conscious i'm conscious they're conscious there's no way that you
Speaker 2: couldn't believe that right if you if you unless you
Speaker 2: believed in love and you know so i just think
Speaker 2: that's a good way for anyone who's like oh i'm
Speaker 2: on the fence about animal communication you know um well
Speaker 2: the love that you have for your animal exists in
Speaker 2: spiritual consciousness so they have consciousness and they have sentience
Speaker 2: right i just think that it's a kind of a
Speaker 2: no-brainer there that that is that um form and formless
Speaker 2: energy exists, right. Exists in, in the form, in the formless.
Speaker 2: So on the other side, there's still love and consciousness and,
Speaker 2: you know, and here they are. So I just, yeah.
Speaker 1: So what kind of messages do you get from them? Um, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, for clients or for information, both when you,
Speaker 1: when you're reading a pad, um, you know, what, what's typical.
Speaker 1: And then what's like just something really cool that you.
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. I'm not reading, I'm communicating and it's whatever,
Speaker 2: whatever they want to share. And if I, it's just
Speaker 2: like a soul painting, I cannot determine the soul painting
Speaker 2: ahead of time. I'll hold that question. And then this
Speaker 2: goes right along with it. I will connect with that
Speaker 2: energy to complete the soul painting or to, to paint
Speaker 2: the soul painting for us to start with the drawing
Speaker 2: and then the colors are given to me and then
Speaker 2: I work out the painting. I have no idea what
Speaker 2: the final is going to be until I'm done. And
Speaker 2: the thing I can't go in knowing I, I, I
Speaker 2: bring presents, right. A hollow bone. I'm just, my goal
Speaker 2: is to listen and receive at the most pure way
Speaker 2: possible without judgment, opinion. And I just, you know, connect
Speaker 2: with them and whatever, you know, the, the client always
Speaker 2: has first of all, the animals know what you're, what
Speaker 2: you want to ask ahead of time. And they know
Speaker 2: your intentions. They may not know exactly what you're thinking,
Speaker 2: Mary Ellen, but they know your intentions. So it's important
Speaker 2: to follow through with what you say you're going to
Speaker 2: do because they know your intentions and they'll know that
Speaker 2: you're well-intentioned person because you do follow through with what
Speaker 2: you say. So to your question, anything goes. And it's
Speaker 2: always kind of based on the human, the client, like
Speaker 2: what really have I had someone come and say, just
Speaker 2: tell me anything I have. There's no, no issues. I
Speaker 2: just want to, I just want to get to know
Speaker 2: my animal better. Some, yeah, but because it's spiritual, emotional,
Speaker 2: and physical, you know, you talk about Edgar Cayce and
Speaker 2: energy is life, right? Mind's the builder and body's the result.
Speaker 2: So people always come and it gets down to the physical, right?
Speaker 2: When I can't ignore it anymore, I have to come
Speaker 2: because my animal's doing this, right? And so we always
Speaker 2: cover that first, but really what's beautiful is the animals
Speaker 2: already answer you in a way that they know what
Speaker 2: you're saying and so it may not be exactly and
Speaker 2: that's where I come in the way you want to
Speaker 2: hear it because I think I know they figured this
Speaker 2: out Mary Ellen they already know how to do this
Speaker 2: they don't go to war they you think about your
Speaker 2: animals your cat and your dog behind you they're two
Speaker 2: different crazy diverse personalities even though they have some things
Speaker 2: that parallel over right that they have a really unique
Speaker 2: sarcastic funny relationship with each other They just do. They
Speaker 2: just do. And then it's so funny. They kind of
Speaker 2: like talk about you to each other and have their
Speaker 2: individual thing with you. But but they're also unique and
Speaker 2: like they and diverse in their personalities and their messages
Speaker 2: and what they want to share. But animals have figured
Speaker 2: it out. They know, you know, they don't kill each other. Yes,
Speaker 2: they do. have an under communication about food that they're
Speaker 2: going to eat, you know, to keep the chain going.
Speaker 2: But they don't, if you think about it, such diverse
Speaker 2: personalities in a small house or whatever, or in a house,
Speaker 2: they still manage to get along pretty well. So, you know,
Speaker 2: they're just, it's really, that's kind of where I'm going
Speaker 2: is trying to figure out animal to animal. How are you,
Speaker 2: how do you do that? How do you in the wild,
Speaker 2: in domestic, you know, interactions, how do you get along
Speaker 2: so well, relatively closer, you know, quarters and still, even
Speaker 2: though something may get on their nerves, cause they do,
Speaker 2: you see it and then they shut it off. But anyway, um, yeah.
Speaker 2: So you asked me about what's the crazy, it's, I mean,
Speaker 2: anything goes, I'm always blown away and, you know, um,
Speaker 2: surprised and, and the, and the clients too, like, um,
Speaker 2: You know, and here's the thing, too, I want to
Speaker 2: say about remembering. I'm in presence when I'm doing it,
Speaker 2: and that's why we record because I don't always remember,
Speaker 2: you know. I will tell you, during the mentoring sessions,
Speaker 2: I have mentored someone, and they just could not. I
Speaker 2: was validating. I'm like, we've been mentoring for how long now?
Speaker 2: You got this. You're communicating. And it was the trust
Speaker 2: that the person needed to trust themselves, right? And no
Speaker 2: matter what you say, I can tell you a million times,
Speaker 2: Mary Ellen, that you are an excellent psychic. Okay. You're,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you are, but it's like, you're,
Speaker 2: you're a great psychic. You're, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2: And you could have a hundred people, but until you
Speaker 2: believe it inside, right. Until it clicks for you, it
Speaker 2: does not matter what the world is saying. Right. You're
Speaker 2: still going to have those ebbs and flows. Well, this,
Speaker 2: this client, she was like, she was great. And I said,
Speaker 2: ask the animals. And she's like, I am, I'm going
Speaker 2: to ask them. She said, okay, if I'm connecting with you,
Speaker 2: she had these parakeets. She had like 24 parakeets. If
Speaker 2: I'm connecting with you, I want you to blink your eyes. Blink, blink, blink. Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2: And then they did it. Blink, blink, blink. And then
Speaker 2: she kept asking him for more proof and more proof. Finally,
Speaker 2: they said, forget it. Like after six, like she kept,
Speaker 2: you know, getting validated and validated. And it's finally, it's like,
Speaker 2: when is enough is enough, you know, at some point.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I thought that was funny because that they did,
Speaker 2: they did the first thing. Then they did the second thing.
Speaker 2: Birds don't blink. You know, they're not really just blinkers,
Speaker 2: you know, like. Yeah. But, um, I mean, I've had, um,
Speaker 2: You know, whatever the messages are, they're humorous. They're, you know,
Speaker 2: just like with the Animal Truth Oracle, they're wisdom. They're insightful.
Speaker 2: They're mind blowing. They're like quantum. You know, they talk
Speaker 2: about other planets. They can talk about other lifetimes. It's whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even.
Speaker 1: Birds are smart. And I think they're a very underrated pet.
Speaker 1: One of my first career jobs, I was an admin
Speaker 1: for the animal department at SeaWorld and got to be
Speaker 1: exposed to a lot of different animals. And the birds
Speaker 1: were a big part of that, the parrots, but it
Speaker 1: was every kind of bird too. And they're all different,
Speaker 1: but I realized they're as smart as dogs, maybe in
Speaker 1: a different way, but they are definitely that smart and
Speaker 1: they're clever and they've got great memories and they live
Speaker 1: way longer than a lot of people think too.
Speaker 2: Yes. You know what I think is not clever is
Speaker 2: trying to rate their intelligence as far as human terms.
Speaker 2: Or why would not you? But why would we compare
Speaker 2: a bird to a dog's intelligence? Two completely different ways
Speaker 2: that they interact and move and vibe in the world. Right.
Speaker 2: Tools are different. Intake and external, all different. So, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? It's like it's another thing where
Speaker 2: we're like in spiritual consciousness, there's no hierarchy. You know,
Speaker 2: an animal reminded me the other day who had passed over,
Speaker 2: and they're like, you know what, it's so beautiful here
Speaker 2: because there's no hierarchy. We created that. Humans and our
Speaker 2: ego created this idea of hierarchy. And if we can live, like,
Speaker 2: with this, you know, idea here in the physical, that
Speaker 2: there isn't hierarchy, which we all, you know, that that's
Speaker 2: not with the system. But we'd be a lot happier.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how it really is. And that's spiritual consciousness.
Speaker 2: There's no hierarchy.
Speaker 1: It's really with the difference you were saying between dogs
Speaker 1: and cats. There's just not a comparable scale, but just
Speaker 1: like humans too. And then same with consciousness and on
Speaker 1: the other side. It's it's a different form of communication.
Speaker 1: It's a different way of acting. It's a different way
Speaker 1: of being. It's a different way of communication, all of
Speaker 1: that together. And then all of the, everything I think
Speaker 1: in the world is different. How trees communicate and plants,
Speaker 1: you know, and again, we can, we say that animals
Speaker 1: or that plants aren't sentient or aren't smart.
Speaker 2: They're pretty smart.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I have one too far from the window,
Speaker 1: they all lean, you know. That's a form of intelligence,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Ask them. Ask them next time. Is it okay if
Speaker 2: I cut you? Is it okay if I trim you?
Speaker 2: I can do experiments out front. I had all these
Speaker 2: when we first moved in, like sawgrass, oatgrass. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm sorry, but it's not really working. You're
Speaker 2: overtaking everything and you're not, you know, it's just not working.
Speaker 2: We're going to have to move you or take you out.
Speaker 2: I did the first one without talking to them. It
Speaker 2: took me an hour and 90 minutes. I did the
Speaker 2: others with thanking them and saying, okay, it's not going
Speaker 2: to work, but thank you so much for what you,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever I said. I mean, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 2: They were all six of them out within 10 minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. They released their roots and they came.
Speaker 2: I ask flies to slow down so I can take
Speaker 2: them out. I'll give them choices. Please slow down or
Speaker 2: go to the door. Right. Or if you continue, I'm
Speaker 2: going to have to spray you with some organic cleaner
Speaker 2: to slow you down and get you out. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? So, but no, but they, there's, everything
Speaker 2: that's living is sentient, period. And as far as intelligence,
Speaker 2: what does that mean? What is intelligence? That's what's in
Speaker 2: our heads and that's not important.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And that's the language. Once we can
Speaker 1: get outside of thinking in those analytical terms and again,
Speaker 1: applying the feelings and the creative thought to that. But
Speaker 1: I have a very strong, I love animals and I
Speaker 1: do really try to be intuitive with every animal that
Speaker 1: I meet, not just my own, but same with the plants.
Speaker 1: And I've got, you know, a new communication with them too.
Speaker 1: And I, and the, but then insects, um, I raise, uh,
Speaker 1: monarch caterpillars, like I help them, uh, butterfly caterpillars to
Speaker 1: become monarchs. And then there are wasps and lizards that
Speaker 1: will come and eat them. And the wasps are terrible.
Speaker 1: I was just right in front of you. They'll just
Speaker 1: come down and just suck the life out of a
Speaker 1: caterpillar and, uh, So I do apologize, but I will
Speaker 1: kill him. I just said, you know, but I cannot apologize.
Speaker 1: I would not normally kill a wasp and I don't
Speaker 1: like to do it, but you know.
Speaker 2: And then there's a part of me that respects the
Speaker 2: wasp of just being who they are. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to come down and I'm going to, and
Speaker 2: if you don't want that caterpillar killed, you're going to
Speaker 2: have to cover it with something that I can't get to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's what I did. I kept one sort
Speaker 1: of like, you know, cull plant out there.
Speaker 2: It was big.
Speaker 1: It was a big one. And then pretty much they
Speaker 1: could eat anything that was on it. And then I
Speaker 1: had the other cages, but we're about at the end
Speaker 1: of the season now. And a wasp got into the
Speaker 1: cage and I just said, sorry, Charlie. So, but there
Speaker 1: was no other way to get them out too.
Speaker 2: Right. And you give them choices like, look, you can't
Speaker 2: stay here. I need to go. There's other things you
Speaker 2: can eat. And right today and however long I have
Speaker 2: these caterpillars, you can't eat them. Yeah. So you need
Speaker 2: to go. And so you've got about, OK, 30 seconds here.
Speaker 2: And then, you know, but when you give them choices,
Speaker 2: they make the choice and then you can feel good, too,
Speaker 2: about like giving them an option. Yeah. But you know what?
Speaker 2: I love that you're saying that about insects, because, you know,
Speaker 2: you're so right. You know, reptiles and insects, they're so misunderstood.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many snakes I've talked to.
Speaker 2: They're like, why do people not like, you know, like
Speaker 2: they don't get it why people don't like them so much.
Speaker 2: I'm like, because people don't understand you. They're like, they're
Speaker 2: so afraid. Like, oh, they're like, speak specifically or in general.
Speaker 2: They're so afraid of me. And one of my decks
Speaker 2: coming up is going to be reptiles and insects. Wow.
Speaker 2: The next one, you know, I'm doing with Earthfire Institute.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about my deck later. But the other one
Speaker 2: after that is birds. Oh, good. Yeah. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: each individual type. We're doing south, whatever, east, middle, whatever
Speaker 2: we're going to name it, you know, midway down on
Speaker 2: the East Coast. But just how unique. You cannot classify birds.
Speaker 2: Every bluebird is so unique. Yes, they have similar colorings
Speaker 2: in that, but so unique in their personality, in their perspective,
Speaker 2: you know, and in the most profound truths. To me,
Speaker 2: that's what started the Oracle deck is they have this
Speaker 2: unique way of seeing the world as physical beings living,
Speaker 2: divine beings living a physical existence. And unique that is
Speaker 2: profound and unique to them. And each one is so different, right?
Speaker 2: So different. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1: And we've got just a few minutes to break. And
Speaker 1: I do, when we come back, I do want to
Speaker 1: talk more about communicating with your animals. You know, can
Speaker 1: anybody do it? You know, more about that. And then
Speaker 1: I do want to hear more about your deck too,
Speaker 1: but tell people how they can find out more information
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 2: Well, my, I'm on obviously online, you know, technology, but harpspace.org.
Speaker 2: So like headspace, but harp, my last name, harpspace.org. I
Speaker 2: am on Substack and Instagram all through all Harp Space
Speaker 2: and Facebook. You got to pick the social platforms that
Speaker 2: you can do. I got my three that I'm on,
Speaker 2: three or four.
Speaker 1: You're on YouTube too, aren't you?
Speaker 2: I am, but I just, yeah, I am. Yeah. Please
Speaker 2: follow my YouTube. I only have maybe a 50 or
Speaker 2: 100 followers. Please follow me on YouTube. We'll work on that.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks. Okay.
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Speaker 1: and Spirit. We are discussing animal communication with a professional
Speaker 1: animal communicator, also a great artist, Nicole Harp. So welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 1: So we were talking about the information that you get
Speaker 1: when you are communicating with an animal. What are some
Speaker 1: of the more common things they want their owners or
Speaker 1: their family to know? Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, like there's some general things. It's always about your
Speaker 2: inner brilliance. I mean, like I'll try to go larger
Speaker 2: and then more specific. But so I had mentioned before
Speaker 2: about the behaviors they choose when they're mirroring you, when
Speaker 2: they're modeling you. For example, like one of my dogs,
Speaker 2: she's always catching the sunbeams. And I always see her
Speaker 2: in the most comfortable places in between like outings and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm always catching a sunbeam or just really watching nature.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, that is a great idea. And
Speaker 2: I'll go out and just sit with her and do
Speaker 2: what she's doing. You know, that modeling behavior that we
Speaker 2: should be doing or then mirroring and i had said
Speaker 2: before there's not good and bad like i when i
Speaker 2: communicate with my animals like normally communicate like just call
Speaker 2: it communicating um it's not good and bad there if
Speaker 2: she does something he she or the cat i have
Speaker 2: three dogs and a cat if i'm asking them to
Speaker 2: do something i'm visualizing it And I'm speaking at what
Speaker 2: I want, not what I don't want and what I
Speaker 2: do want, like not don't scratch the couch. I visualize
Speaker 2: what she can scratch the cat or visualize what you want.
Speaker 2: And then when they do that request that you actually
Speaker 2: ask them to do, I say, thank you. Okay. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for making that choice because it's free will.
Speaker 2: And there is a choice when you go to walk
Speaker 2: your dog and you want to, they want to go
Speaker 2: right because it's, They haven't smelled for whatever reason they want.
Speaker 2: And that's the most unattractive street where the cars are.
Speaker 2: And you want to get more peaceful. You give them choices.
Speaker 2: You give them choices. We let Charlie decide his walk
Speaker 2: because it's that's for them, not for us. And he'll choose.
Speaker 2: I said, OK, you can choose that way once a week.
Speaker 2: And then he started making it every five days. And
Speaker 2: I said, seven days a week makes. And so he
Speaker 2: gets seven days. In seven days, he can go that way.
Speaker 2: Or sometimes he'll do six. And then other times, he'll
Speaker 2: go to the left, which is for us more enjoyable.
Speaker 2: But we negotiated that with him. He still gets what
Speaker 2: he wants. If you give them choices, options, this or that,
Speaker 2: and then when they do it, you thank them. Sometimes
Speaker 2: he'll want to, whatever, I need him to do something
Speaker 2: because we're on a time schedule or something. And I'll
Speaker 2: just say, you know, come on, Charlie, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
Speaker 2: whatever reason, but it's authentic. And then he does it.
Speaker 2: And I'm just so thankful and grateful. And I get something.
Speaker 2: He's every time after that, he does something that I
Speaker 2: want because it's mutual respect that I need, or I
Speaker 2: give to him too when I don't need it. Right.
Speaker 2: There's this, that give and take. It can't be our
Speaker 2: way all the time. Right. They have their own sovereignty.
Speaker 2: They need their time to be alone. They need their
Speaker 2: time to play. you know, in the order of which
Speaker 2: they need things, uh, exercise and cognitive quality resources, and then, um, affection.
Speaker 2: And we, as humans tend to do it the other way,
Speaker 2: don't we? If something falls by the wayside, it's usually
Speaker 2: their walk and it can't be, you know, because we
Speaker 2: need to have a, um, cause if not, our lives
Speaker 2: are messed up because they're, you.
Speaker 1: Know, my dog will give me a prompt. He just
Speaker 1: sits next to my chair and goes, huh?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I have and then, you know, it'll get stronger.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really bark. But if you're not really paying attention,
Speaker 1: you might miss it, too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I know they're trying to communicate.
Speaker 2: Do you have a routine with your animals because they
Speaker 2: thrive on routines?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. More or less. In fact, we go to
Speaker 1: play the ball right after breakfast. But I'm noticing that
Speaker 1: now the are starting earlier and earlier in my breakfast
Speaker 1: because he knows it's coming. He's very smart. So I
Speaker 1: have to remind him that I'll let him know when
Speaker 1: breakfast is over and then we'll negotiate. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, so do you shorten the time or do you
Speaker 2: give him his full 10 minutes?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll give him a full time. And yesterday it
Speaker 1: rained all day and I really was trying to, so
Speaker 1: finally I just let him out so he could see
Speaker 1: what I meant. He did not want to be out
Speaker 1: in it and that was very disappointing. Yeah. But yeah, no, we, if,
Speaker 1: if I do need to miss, one of our set activities,
Speaker 1: I do try to make it up somehow or do something.
Speaker 1: They need the stimulation, whether it's mental or physical.
Speaker 2: They have to. They have to. They have to be moving.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what they do. We came in roaming.
Speaker 2: They roam. What's his name? Do you want me to
Speaker 2: communicate with him?
Speaker 1: Mr. Bingley, yes. Mr.
Speaker 2: Bingley? That's funny. That's funny. He just showed me if
Speaker 2: he had to. Do you like to read a lot? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He shows me his glasses and he reads with you, but,
Speaker 2: and you got that name. He likes, he likes his name.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I don't know if you ever told him
Speaker 2: where it came from. He would like to know. It's
Speaker 2: a movie. Yeah. He would like to know. Yeah. Because
Speaker 2: he didn't think it was from books.
Speaker 1: Well, it is a book. It's a Pride and Prejudice.
Speaker 1: So it was a book and it is a movie.
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, he likes when you communicate
Speaker 2: with him. He's really smart. And I don't, I know
Speaker 2: you don't know how smart he is. Because he just
Speaker 2: told me that, but I don't even, he's super smart.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to, I'm just so anti-breed, but
Speaker 2: I know he's a breed and you got him from
Speaker 2: a breeder.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's okay with that. I mean, and it's just funny. They,
Speaker 2: they have a kind of air about them breeds. They
Speaker 2: just do, but he's smart and he's not jerky or
Speaker 2: any cocky, but he's got an air, you know, because
Speaker 2: of the breeding, you know, it's just like anything, but he,
Speaker 2: he does need more. Now he's about, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: caught between four or six and I'm caught because how
Speaker 2: old is he? Six.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm caught between four or six because it's what he
Speaker 2: feels like versus how old he is. Cause sometimes they'll
Speaker 2: just show me, I'll just get the energy of what
Speaker 2: they feel like. So he needs a lot more than
Speaker 2: you're giving him. And it doesn't mean all the time,
Speaker 2: but all those times that he's going earlier or doing
Speaker 2: what he needs a little bit extra that week. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's his, his stuff's like this. He's real in
Speaker 2: tune with his feelings. Very. Okay. And you, yeah. And you, um,
Speaker 2: and it, and it, it is dependent on your energy
Speaker 2: as well. Like I just know right now you're not
Speaker 2: doing your kickboxing or your, whatever it was much in
Speaker 2: whatever you do as much as you should. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You're caught up in some other stuff. You're this and that.
Speaker 1: It's a really busy time, yes.
Speaker 2: Usually you're good about it or you're like, I know
Speaker 2: I need to do this, but that is key for you.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, even if you go out and
Speaker 2: do some exercise, you know, whatever you do while you're
Speaker 2: playing ball with him, it's going to help you. And
Speaker 2: he's always reminding you because you need to do it too. Yes.
Speaker 2: But I just want to, he wants me to be
Speaker 2: clear because I'm not, because I mushed it all you
Speaker 2: in with him. He wants me to be clear. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 2: Let me sharpen my pencil. Hold on. Put that behind
Speaker 2: my ear. He needs a little extra right now. And
Speaker 2: he wants you to tune in to when he does
Speaker 2: need it because he will let you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2: It's not him being whatever. He just needs it. So
Speaker 2: if you want to be more calm and, you know,
Speaker 2: not feel like, oh, did I, you know, because I
Speaker 2: feel like sometimes at the end of the day, you're like,
Speaker 2: did I do enough for them? Which I love that
Speaker 2: you feel that way. Yeah. I don't know. But you
Speaker 2: want to be at the end of the day not
Speaker 2: asking yourself that. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when he needs that little bit extra, just give
Speaker 2: it to him. And I don't, I mean, he's just,
Speaker 2: I don't know why so much right now, but it's
Speaker 2: just the energy of maybe your energy and his energy.
Speaker 2: It's just who he is. He just needs a little
Speaker 2: bit right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Of anything, even, even laying in my lap at night
Speaker 1: is mental stimulation for him. Just having that time. And I,
Speaker 1: it makes a big difference with him, but I found
Speaker 1: a really good dog sitter where he goes to their
Speaker 1: house and And there's other dogs there, but they, they
Speaker 1: love him. So he kind of gets maybe some special treatment,
Speaker 1: but they play the ball for him all the time.
Speaker 1: That's all they do is, you know, and he loves it.
Speaker 1: But I know when I pick him up that he's
Speaker 1: really ready to come home.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's really, he's really your dog. I mean, it's your, it's,
Speaker 2: you know, it's your life together. You signed on together
Speaker 2: and it's unfolding what it will be together. But pretty
Speaker 2: soon I feel, and I hope you will make some
Speaker 2: more time for him. Cause, You have so much to
Speaker 2: uncover together. Now, do you walk him?
Speaker 1: I do. I do. And we throw the ball in
Speaker 1: the yard, but I've noticed his, his nails are not
Speaker 1: getting ground because we're doing that exercise in lieu of
Speaker 1: the daily or multiple times a day, walking on the cement.
Speaker 1: So that I know I need to walk him more
Speaker 1: on the cement, but we do. He likes that, the
Speaker 1: sniff around. And that seems to be important to dogs, the, The.
Speaker 2: Walk is the most important thing. The play is fine.
Speaker 2: The walk is actually first and foremost, and the play
Speaker 2: is second for him. And that's what he needs because
Speaker 2: I'm just feeling it now. It calms him down. He releases.
Speaker 2: He can release through all his appendages. You can get
Speaker 2: his nails cut from the groomer or wherever. That's not
Speaker 2: the issue. Sure, it wears them down, but it's all
Speaker 2: the other stuff. It's confidence building. And it's a confidence
Speaker 2: building that he needs. What's going on in my neighborhood?
Speaker 2: What's happening at this mailbox, at this? I can smell
Speaker 2: X amount of miles away. I need to know what's
Speaker 2: going on. And it makes him uncomfortable when he doesn't
Speaker 2: know what's going on. I know you know that. You
Speaker 2: need to know what's happening next, right? And he needs
Speaker 2: to know what's out there. And, you know, he comes
Speaker 2: back and reports it to your cat. What's your cat's name?
Speaker 1: I have three, Leota, Oliver, and Luna.
Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness. Okay, well, it's going to take a
Speaker 2: minute to decipher the three of them, and I almost
Speaker 2: want to. Oliver's coming closer, but then Luna comes up there.
Speaker 2: But which one is black and almost bangle-y? This is
Speaker 2: what they show me. They show me Layla in the
Speaker 2: deck here.
Speaker 1: I have two that are gray and white tabbies that
Speaker 1: are almost identical, even though one's nine years old and
Speaker 1: one's just one year old. But then the sister is
Speaker 1: more like a gray calico type.
Speaker 2: Calico. Calico. Yeah. Okay. Calico. The Calico one. That's the
Speaker 2: one that's okay. That's the one he shares with. about
Speaker 2: the daily comings and goings and activities. That's funny. They're
Speaker 2: indoor cats. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they
Speaker 2: don't know. Well, we can, we can sit here and
Speaker 2: go on about your, about, but do you have a
Speaker 2: catio or something like that where they can go out?
Speaker 1: The older cat can stay outside on the porch. We
Speaker 1: call that her office because she just owns it there.
Speaker 1: The kittens, their brother and sister, and they just turned
Speaker 1: a year old. But when they were about four or
Speaker 1: five months old, a bird came down into the yard
Speaker 1: that scared one of them and it scared me. And
Speaker 1: so they probably would be okay. But yes, we do
Speaker 1: go out so that they can run.
Speaker 2: With you.
Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, yes. Yeah. And the Luna, when she was spayed,
Speaker 1: got very heavy really quickly. So that's another way. The
Speaker 1: house is big enough for them to play, but we
Speaker 1: like having the opportunity for her to, you know, just
Speaker 1: get a little bit more exercise.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to tell you this, and this is
Speaker 2: important for the Luna. What's important for them, for you
Speaker 2: to spend as much time as you can outside with
Speaker 2: them together. And I'm trying to get what she showed
Speaker 2: or what they're worried about. So there's some anxiety between
Speaker 2: they have, they have a little bit of anxiety and
Speaker 2: that being outside again. And then they keep showing me
Speaker 2: how good it is for you. You can get a little,
Speaker 2: like all of us can get a little anxiety. Just,
Speaker 2: just it like Mr. B is it Bigsley? Just how
Speaker 2: it disperses. It disperses the anxiety. And she just showed
Speaker 2: the cat show. It's a cat. Okay. I'm sorry. You
Speaker 2: have two females and a male. Yeah. Okay. Well, the
Speaker 2: two are just showing they come from the same litter. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: her more so than him, because he's still trying to
Speaker 2: find his way and they're young.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And they're just like, so there's less adapting issues later.
Speaker 2: Get them out now with you, interacting with you, walking
Speaker 2: with you, the whole family out together as one. or
Speaker 2: just the cats and you, whatever, out together. It can
Speaker 2: be the whole family, because you have a nice family.
Speaker 1: You walk cats?
Speaker 2: Out with you in the backyard.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: But yes, you can do the one male. You can
Speaker 2: train him to wear a leash, sure. But I'm talking
Speaker 2: about in the backyard. Okay.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, we do like that a lot.
Speaker 2: And they're clapping. They're clapping, yes. This is what we
Speaker 2: want to do. Yeah. Because there's just so much... they
Speaker 2: know it's happening out there, but they can't experience it.
Speaker 2: They really want to experience it. And there's so much
Speaker 2: going on. Like on the microcosm level, they're like, you
Speaker 2: don't even know, mom. Like there's so many like, you know,
Speaker 2: stuff that you can't see that they know is happening.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to, okay, I'm going to explain
Speaker 2: it like this and then I'll stop. It's more like
Speaker 2: if you stay, you know how you stay in too
Speaker 2: much sometimes? Like I stay in too much sometimes. And
Speaker 2: then when I go out sometimes in the world, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, like I can be almost a little insecure.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? When you stay in too much,
Speaker 2: you kind of close yourself in too much. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, I need to go out more.
Speaker 2: But that's what it's going to be for them. We
Speaker 2: want to get them out so they don't start to
Speaker 2: get any of that kind of insecurity. We want them
Speaker 2: out in nature where they can thrive, be big cats.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? interact with you. So you're
Speaker 2: watching them. There's no birds being attacked. They're not doing,
Speaker 2: they're all safe, right? They're safe. Yeah. And they really
Speaker 2: want to experience peeing and pooping in the yard. I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you, they want to do it. That's really funny.
Speaker 1: The adult cat, that's all she wants to do. I've
Speaker 1: never seen a cat want that before.
Speaker 2: They got to do it. They want to do it.
Speaker 2: The other two want to do it badly too.
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They just told me this was priceless. They said
Speaker 2: this was priceless and I'm glad, I'm glad that something
Speaker 2: so simple could be priceless to them. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Uh-huh. I didn't make that up. Why
Speaker 2: would I say this was probably, you know, I have
Speaker 2: no feelings about any of this. It's your life with them,
Speaker 2: but they say that there's a, there's a, are you married? No. Oh,
Speaker 2: is there a male in the, I'm sorry. No. Yeah. Okay. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's interesting. Cause they show that was there give a shot.
Speaker 2: Is there another person?
Speaker 1: No, I have a daughter.
Speaker 2: Come here. Okay. I thought they showed there's someone else
Speaker 2: in the picture. Maybe later. Okay. Anyway, maybe if you're
Speaker 2: interested later.
Speaker 1: Maybe he knows something I don't. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think later, if you're interested, there's options. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: Now the psychic's coming in. There's plenty of people who
Speaker 2: are interested in you. But anyway, you do your thing, girl. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but so that's the kind of, that wouldn't be necessarily
Speaker 2: what a session looked like, but we just kind of
Speaker 2: did it impromptu. But I love that it's what they
Speaker 2: wanted to share, that I'm not drilling them. It's they
Speaker 2: shared what was important to your life right now, you know,
Speaker 2: which is great. you know, they're always trying to make
Speaker 2: sure we're as present as we can. So when you're
Speaker 2: with our animals, be there with them now. Like no phones,
Speaker 2: no podcast, no, I see the tail. There he gets
Speaker 2: the tail.
Speaker 1: What's funny was I tried to get the dog up
Speaker 1: on the chair and then the cat came.
Speaker 2: See, this tail goes like this.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: Oh, they're classic. Classic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Typical cats.
Speaker 2: But that's just classic.
Speaker 1: So this is really, really good information. And I can
Speaker 1: see how how beneficial that is to have that, you know,
Speaker 1: everyday workings.
Speaker 2: Right. Just how do we make our energy vibe and
Speaker 2: the days, the time that we have together more fulfilling. Right.
Speaker 2: You only have X amount of hours in a day.
Speaker 1: Right. And we want the animals to be happy.
Speaker 2: And all we have is this moment. Well, but they
Speaker 2: want that for you too, right? And really what they want,
Speaker 2: your original question, Mary Ellen, is they want us to be,
Speaker 2: to take a breath. They want us to be, you know, happy.
Speaker 2: They want to know what makes us content. They want
Speaker 2: to know what is your heart's desire. And they want
Speaker 2: you to do what your heart's desire. That's really what they,
Speaker 2: that's what they want. And they want us to do
Speaker 2: it all while we're doing it in nature. They want
Speaker 2: us to be outside. They want us to interact with
Speaker 2: the trees, the wind.
Speaker 1: It goes back to the plants and then being able
Speaker 1: to communicate with them too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How important that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. But I was interested what you talked
Speaker 1: about in the beginning about the art, you know, and
Speaker 1: about the creativity of that and using it as almost
Speaker 1: an intuitive tool to, Because when I communicate with the animals,
Speaker 1: I try to do pictures in my head and I
Speaker 1: try to speak simply. Like when I leave, I say,
Speaker 1: I'll be back in two sleeps or something along those lines.
Speaker 1: Is that what you would do or how do you
Speaker 1: do it or what do you recommend?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's great, first of all. And you
Speaker 2: can do it any way that works for you. If
Speaker 2: two sleeps works for you, you can tell them two days.
Speaker 2: They're smart, right? And I love that you're not too wordy.
Speaker 2: But I, the only thing I would add to that is, um,
Speaker 2: before you go, I would kind of spend some time
Speaker 2: and maybe they love when you write stuff down, it
Speaker 2: seems important, but, uh, I would write down all your
Speaker 2: animals names and what's their purpose in your life. What's
Speaker 2: their purpose in the household. And it can't be just
Speaker 2: to give love or this or that because every, every,
Speaker 2: every being needs a purpose. Right. But really like it
Speaker 2: makes us really look at ourselves. Everything they do makes
Speaker 2: us look at ourselves. Right. Um, whether it's simple or complex,
Speaker 2: but what is it that each one of them does?
Speaker 2: Like what's their purpose? And then when you leave, look,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be gone for a couple of days.
Speaker 2: I need you to do, this is, you know, this
Speaker 2: is one of your purposes. I need you to do that.
Speaker 2: I need you to do this. This is your, you know,
Speaker 2: and you to do that and do them well, get
Speaker 2: along well together. And then I'm going to communicate with
Speaker 2: you each night. And you do that on the third night. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, third night, how you doing, checking in, feel
Speaker 2: what they're sending you. I'll be back in two nights.
Speaker 2: And then you check in the second night. I'll be
Speaker 2: back in one day or one night, whatever. And you
Speaker 2: do that until you come home and I'm coming home.
Speaker 2: I'm coming home today. Now, they already know when you're
Speaker 2: coming home, but that's not the point. The mutual respect
Speaker 2: of letting them know what's going on is huge.
Speaker 1: This particular cat did something that is very unusual. And
Speaker 1: I read that apparently it's not that uncommon for Because
Speaker 1: normally when we go on our shows, I leave Friday
Speaker 1: morning and I'm home Sunday night, but not always. Sometimes I,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gone five days or something like that.
Speaker 1: But inevitably on Sunday night, and again, I could be
Speaker 1: home in a two and a half hour variance, but
Speaker 1: she is sitting by the front door, which is weird
Speaker 1: because the only time that I pull up out front
Speaker 1: is after the show. Normally I come in through the garage.
Speaker 1: She's always at the right door. And I thought that
Speaker 1: that was really weird sometimes. Um, you know, cause cats
Speaker 1: are smart, but how would she, I mean, has she
Speaker 1: been sitting by the door all day?
Speaker 2: I wonder, or, you know, they're telepathically connected to you. Wow.
Speaker 2: And you're, and the thing is, uh, Mary Ellen, you're
Speaker 2: connected to them, but they know they're connected to you
Speaker 2: where heads and other, like they don't get in their
Speaker 2: mind loops and they know when you're coming. before you
Speaker 2: come and then they go to that door if they
Speaker 2: choose sometimes they can still know you're coming when you're
Speaker 2: coming and the way you're coming whether you take a
Speaker 2: bus you know that book that they first did with
Speaker 2: the guy who wrote the book about and guardians coming
Speaker 2: home one you know they come home walking on a
Speaker 2: bus skateboard car it didn't matter how they got there
Speaker 2: the animals knew they were coming because we're telepathically connected
Speaker 2: we always have been we haven't stopped. We just forgot
Speaker 2: how to or we don't slow down enough to feel it.
Speaker 2: It's all about slowing down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely see that. Yeah, if you really want
Speaker 1: to be in tune with your animals, that's what it takes.
Speaker 1: Same being in tune with everything, with the air, the wind,
Speaker 1: like you said, the land.
Speaker 2: That's what indigenous people did. They had nothing. They didn't
Speaker 2: have AI and this and that, and they just watched
Speaker 2: the sun and, you know, it's all energy, right? It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You just feel the energy. Right. Right. That's beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because we're communicating with our animals all the time. We
Speaker 2: just don't talk about it or, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the funniest things she did, and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if people are bored by hearing cute pet stories, at
Speaker 1: least I'm not going to show everybody their pictures.
Speaker 2: And then I have to tell you the one thing
Speaker 2: before I break communication with them, they wanted me to share.
Speaker 1: Oh, please share. No, please go ahead.
Speaker 2: It was just nothing big except they showed, they said, well,
Speaker 2: explain it like this, Nicole. So I'm getting all these
Speaker 2: things and sometimes they'll just throw up a visual. So
Speaker 2: it's easy for me to describe the visual. Well, they said,
Speaker 2: it's just like this. You know, those cans used to
Speaker 2: have a can and a string tied to it. It's
Speaker 2: just like that. It's like makeshift can with a string, right?
Speaker 2: You don't need a can and string. But they're like,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing as a telephone. You're connected all
Speaker 2: the time. And they just thought it was funny. Your
Speaker 2: animals have a good sense of humor, but so do you.
Speaker 2: When you're with your friends, it really comes out. And
Speaker 2: when you're calm and relaxed, your sense of humor really
Speaker 2: comes out. And they have a really good sense of humor.
Speaker 2: That's good to know. And they appreciate that about you, yeah.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you can be sarcastic, and they love that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can, well, not with other people, not with them,
Speaker 2: but you can drop a one-liner sometimes that, like, people
Speaker 2: are like, could she just, you know, which is kind
Speaker 2: of nice. But anyway. They are funny.
Speaker 1: But I have one of those little square cameras, and
Speaker 1: you can talk to them through it. And it's motion
Speaker 1: activated so I can see when they're, so when Leota
Speaker 1: was alone before we had the kittens, and that was
Speaker 1: why I got the kittens, was to keep her company
Speaker 1: when I, because I do travel so much.
Speaker 2: Right. And.
Speaker 1: Uh, so I called her one time when she was eating,
Speaker 1: I said her name and then she ran to the
Speaker 1: front door and then I felt bad. So later it was,
Speaker 1: this was a long trip. So then later that night
Speaker 1: I called her name again, but the light would have
Speaker 1: had to have gone on, on that little camera. And she,
Speaker 1: I saw her looking at it, you know, cause all
Speaker 1: you can see is eyes, you know, when that bright light,
Speaker 1: you know, with the cat's eyes. So then later that night,
Speaker 1: it was like 11 o'clock, I got an alert that
Speaker 1: there was movement in the house. And I had already
Speaker 1: gone to sleep, but I picked up the phone. I
Speaker 1: was quite nervous. Who would be in the house? And
Speaker 1: Leota never gets on the table ever. She knows that
Speaker 1: is not allowed. She was sitting on the table about
Speaker 1: a foot from the camera, just staring at it. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was trying to make communication
Speaker 1: or if she was trying to figure out how it
Speaker 1: worked or whatever, but I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2: Well, she told me right what you were saying, right away.
Speaker 2: And what's her name?
Speaker 1: Leota.
Speaker 2: Leota. Leota. It's funny. Leota. Leota.
Speaker 1: Leota.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she told me that it was confusing when you
Speaker 2: do that. So it's easier to... So telepathic is normal
Speaker 2: for them? Yes. To communicate telepathically, it's normal. They get that.
Speaker 2: But through that machine, she did think you were close?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: I know, and I felt bad. Well, you don't have
Speaker 2: to feel bad. They don't, you know, no big deal.
Speaker 2: She's not, you know, they don't, it's okay. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't need to feel bad. They don't want pity.
Speaker 2: They don't want, they just want mutual respect. That's all
Speaker 2: they care about. But she said it was confusing. And
Speaker 2: so I think what she said after just validated that confusion.
Speaker 2: She went to the machine, the camera to find you.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah. So what she said, you know, and
Speaker 2: she wants to talk to me, to you about me.
Speaker 2: She wants to talk to you. Cause she's like, am
Speaker 2: I talking to, um, she likes this. You better watch out.
Speaker 2: She likes communicating. Uh, she, um, she's so funny. She said,
Speaker 2: do I have to talk to you to talk to her?
Speaker 2: Even though she knows, um, we're all talking together. Um, uh, shoot.
Speaker 2: Let me just get that back. I'm sorry. Oh, she
Speaker 2: wants to co-create with you. So she said, I'm not,
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that camera anymore. Mm-hmm. because you
Speaker 2: just tell her what the camera is. Just tell her,
Speaker 2: explain to her what it is. It's just a device.
Speaker 2: I'm still where I am, but it's just a device
Speaker 2: for me to see you and check on my little love,
Speaker 2: whatever you call it. But she'd love to co-create some
Speaker 2: fun games with you because she's fun.
Speaker 1: She has been, especially since we got the kitten. She's
Speaker 1: like a different cat.
Speaker 2: They're all fun, but she's a fun one. She said
Speaker 2: you need to ask what co-creating is because she knows
Speaker 2: you have a question mark about co-creating. but co-create some
Speaker 2: things to do with her, like create fun things. Like
Speaker 2: she shows me sliding across the floor. She'd like to
Speaker 2: slide across the floor. I don't know if it would
Speaker 2: be on paper or cardboard, or she would like for
Speaker 2: you to just get always, Mary Ellen and audience, animals
Speaker 2: want you to get as low to the ground that
Speaker 2: you physically can, with them and be on the ground
Speaker 2: with them. Totally different experience. but she would like you
Speaker 2: to co-create some fun with her. So just grab something,
Speaker 2: get down there with her, whatever you feel while you're
Speaker 2: down there, ask her, what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: How can we create some fun right now? Whatever comes
Speaker 2: to mind, do it. Yeah. She shows temptations under cups.
Speaker 2: She's going to throw those cups up left and right. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Put a box over her and then, then have all
Speaker 2: the cups and have her go find them, whatever, whatever
Speaker 2: you want. I know you keep a tight ship house,
Speaker 2: but no box around your house, but anyway, co-create some
Speaker 2: fun games with her.
Speaker 1: That really is a great idea. And I'm definitely going
Speaker 1: to do that. So if anybody is interested in getting
Speaker 1: a reading with you, they would go to harpspace.org.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Animal communication is harp, H-A-R-P-S-P-A-C-E.org. Harpspace.org. Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 2: You know, Nicole Harp, artist or animal communicator, I think
Speaker 2: I come up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: We're going to take another break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk more about So the animals
Speaker 1: is sentient beings, which we talked a little bit about.
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask a question about some
Speaker 1: of the difficult end of life choices that we have
Speaker 1: to make that definitely the hardest thing. And I'm really
Speaker 1: interested to hear your feedback on some of those.
Speaker 2: So hang out, everybody.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation about animals and communicating with animals,
Speaker 1: animals as sentient beings, and how we communicate with them
Speaker 1: with a professional animal communicator, Nicole Harp. She's also an artist, too,
Speaker 1: and we want to talk about your really great animal deck,
Speaker 1: Animal Truth Oracle deck. But first I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about something that can be very painful. It's definitely the
Speaker 1: most painful part of owning pets, but inevitable is their.
Speaker 2: End of life.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we have to make very hard decisions if
Speaker 1: they're sick or if they're not well. are very old.
Speaker 1: And I was wondering what advice you could share for
Speaker 1: people who are going through that about them as sentient beings,
Speaker 1: about our communication and about the choices we have to make.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is hard. It seems hard. I will tell
Speaker 2: you the first thing, and this is from me. Everything
Speaker 2: else I'll tell you is from the animals. But what
Speaker 2: helped me is to get clear on how I feel
Speaker 2: about death. When my mom passed from dementia, one of
Speaker 2: my spiritual awakenings when I wrote The Colors of Consciousness,
Speaker 2: I wrote that during her time having dementia. And after
Speaker 2: all the anger part of her dementia, she came out
Speaker 2: pure consciousness, and it blew me wide open. I can
Speaker 2: only imagine that's what it's like when you come into
Speaker 2: this world, pure love and light, and that's what she was.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, if you know that this isn't
Speaker 2: the end, that this is just a continuum, which they
Speaker 2: already know. Animals tell us trust their bodies to know
Speaker 2: how to pass. And it's three stages. I would say
Speaker 2: get a death doula, but it's three stages. And to
Speaker 2: know those stages, you can, I don't know, you can,
Speaker 2: I know you can get them from, I know some
Speaker 2: people who that's what they specialize in with animal communication,
Speaker 2: the end of life. And if you understand the three stages,
Speaker 2: then it's not freaks you out when you see things
Speaker 2: like when you're in the air, the liquid stage and
Speaker 2: liquids coming out of the body because it just needs to,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Because we put, the animals say,
Speaker 2: you know, they, they do not, I'm going to say
Speaker 2: this and then hang with me. They don't suffer. Now
Speaker 2: I'm talking about our animals. That's a human construct. They
Speaker 2: do experience pain. Like, and if I'm hitting, if I'm ouch, ouch, ouch,
Speaker 2: but if they're in pain, they're going to go by
Speaker 2: themselves and they're going to keep it to themselves. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? But the suffering is something we
Speaker 2: project on them. It's a human construct and they, they,
Speaker 2: I have not communicated with myself an animal that said,
Speaker 2: I want to be... First of all, there's no standard
Speaker 2: end of... I'll finish that sentence in a minute, but
Speaker 2: there's no standard end of life choices across the board.
Speaker 2: Each one is different, and there are windows they can
Speaker 2: choose as they get to that point, but each one
Speaker 2: is different, and it changes. I've had animals tell me...
Speaker 2: I just communicated this weekend with one who said... She's
Speaker 2: funny at the end of the communication. I had met
Speaker 2: with this client before and I knew that that communication
Speaker 2: was a kind of a precursor to this coming. But
Speaker 2: the animal said straight out, like advanced directives. This is
Speaker 2: what I want. Wow. Was very clear about it. Bring
Speaker 2: me home. I want to be in your loving arms.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, just was explicit about who was
Speaker 2: going to be waiting for her, who was who she
Speaker 2: had already taken a glimpse of the other side. She
Speaker 2: showed me. her with the light, you know, the light
Speaker 2: here and her facing your humans. She wanted to be present.
Speaker 2: They want to be present with you while they're here.
Speaker 2: We want to rush it. Death is not something to
Speaker 2: be medicated or to be fixed or to be euthanized. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, there are times when euthanasia, please don't think
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there's not times for that. And
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about animals, factory farming or other where people,
Speaker 2: where animals languish in conditions. I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 2: We're talking about our animals, end of life choices that
Speaker 2: we have to make. We have such issues as I
Speaker 2: feel like humans around death and dying. And what's crazy,
Speaker 2: Mary Ellen, is birth is unattractive. It's cutting, it's bloody,
Speaker 2: it's screaming, but yet we celebrate it, right? And end
Speaker 2: of life is beautiful and can be and beautiful. And
Speaker 2: if we know what it looks like when there's a
Speaker 2: little bit of bubbles coming out of their mouth, we
Speaker 2: don't freak out and say, oh my God, they're suffering. And,
Speaker 2: you know, here's the thing that they told me. They said,
Speaker 2: what is the difference of you taking care of me
Speaker 2: when I'm sick, you know, cleaning up my throw up
Speaker 2: or my poop or when I'm a puppy or anything
Speaker 2: like that versus when I'm older and I might, you know,
Speaker 2: urinate or whatever. It's when you do that with resentment,
Speaker 2: which is, that's what they don't want. They don't want
Speaker 2: your pity. They don't, you know, um, they don't want
Speaker 2: your pity. They don't want you to be the hero.
Speaker 2: They don't want to be, they want mutual respect. So
Speaker 2: knowing what that looks like helps you to do that
Speaker 2: and not to be, please, please, please, listeners, don't let
Speaker 2: your vets, I can't tell you how many people said,
Speaker 2: I didn't, it didn't feel right. And the vet pushed them. Oh, really?
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Into whatever, because that's what they think. Or because, just
Speaker 2: because medication is there, it doesn't mean it's always the
Speaker 2: right thing. Animals will tell you if you can get
Speaker 2: a communication, they'll express to you what their wishes are.
Speaker 2: Most of your guardians, you don't have to necessarily meet
Speaker 2: with me, would be great, but you already know, they
Speaker 2: already come knowing. Bella's guardian already knew she wanted to
Speaker 2: go get her and be with her. Well, because that's
Speaker 2: what Bella wanted and you're connected to them. I mean,
Speaker 2: you spend all your time with them. They know you,
Speaker 2: you agreed to this before you came in. Trust yourself.
Speaker 2: And when you get in, you cannot make a decision,
Speaker 2: Mary Ellen, you can't make a decision when you're in
Speaker 2: a state of fear or anxiety or, you know, when
Speaker 2: you're amped up like that, you can't, you can't make
Speaker 2: a heartfelt decision. You can't feel the connection when you're
Speaker 2: like this. That's why I get so many calls end
Speaker 2: of life because Nicole, I don't trust myself right now
Speaker 2: because it's emotional connection, right? So that's why it is
Speaker 2: good to call an animal communicator. or definitely have you
Speaker 2: walk through it because I can't, how many clients have said,
Speaker 2: thank God I got the last two weeks with them
Speaker 2: and I didn't rush to euthanize them or the last whatever,
Speaker 2: or the last whatever, because there's so much healing in
Speaker 2: that time. When my mom was inside the dementia, I
Speaker 2: would never have thought Dane to think that she wasn't
Speaker 2: there and talk about her like she wasn't there. She
Speaker 2: was going through so much work while she had that dementia,
Speaker 2: a spiritual, you know, clearing up stuff and animals, And humans,
Speaker 2: they're going to get lighter as, because you have to
Speaker 2: have your vibration, they have to raise your vibration and
Speaker 2: have to physically get out of the body. So they're
Speaker 2: going to get lighter. They're going to be non communicative.
Speaker 2: They're not going to be, you know, they're going to
Speaker 2: be in their own space. They're going to be feel
Speaker 2: like they're more away. Animals are going to treat them
Speaker 2: differently that are in the house. Everything changes as your
Speaker 2: vibration raises. So you can physically get out of the body,
Speaker 2: but even once the body's gone, the soul's gone, the
Speaker 2: body's there. It's still doing work. So there, I, I, I,
Speaker 2: want to say to you even two days after to
Speaker 2: keep the body you think about other cultures who do
Speaker 2: that because the body is doing its work the soulless
Speaker 2: oh yeah and it's such a special time i can't
Speaker 2: even my guy's.
Speaker 1: 18 and oh wow.
Speaker 2: Great one that i um because of the years that
Speaker 2: i've been doing communication no animal has passed since in
Speaker 2: the last 10 years that i will walk across that
Speaker 2: God knows if I can do it, walk him across.
Speaker 2: There's no bridge, but, you know, whatever. People can think
Speaker 2: there's a bridge, but, you know, whatever he that I
Speaker 2: will walk him into the next. Yeah, he and I
Speaker 2: together that we've been walking the journey and we'll do
Speaker 2: it as, you know, as beautifully as we can together,
Speaker 2: because I know kind of what to expect. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We don't need to get three stages, but they can Google,
Speaker 2: people can Google it. And yeah. And it's the main
Speaker 2: thing I think to take away from the question that
Speaker 2: you asked me is, is to be in a state
Speaker 2: of awareness where you can, you know, intuition only happens
Speaker 2: when you're in that state of peace and calm or
Speaker 2: you can receive right. And not be in your head
Speaker 2: and fear is not what you want.
Speaker 1: I feel like if you can be in your head,
Speaker 1: you'll just know. when the time is right, when they,
Speaker 1: you know, not be in your head, be in your,
Speaker 1: be in your body.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1: To just be in your, you know, that area of
Speaker 1: communication with them. And a lot of times I feel like,
Speaker 1: unfortunately I've dealt with it a lot because I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of animals that they might be ready, but
Speaker 1: they want you to be ready and that they're more
Speaker 1: than happy to hang out until you are.
Speaker 2: That and there's no guilt. Right. Unless you, this is
Speaker 2: what they say, but I totally agree with you. And
Speaker 2: unless this is what they say about guilt, unless you
Speaker 2: on purpose did something to hurt them, then you need
Speaker 2: to look at yourself.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But, but we all know you didn't. So there's no
Speaker 2: such thing as guilt. If there's some kind of quote
Speaker 2: unquote misstep, then now, you know, and the next time,
Speaker 2: the next time you won't do it, you'll trust yourself
Speaker 2: and you'll, you'll let yourself have the two weeks or whatever, because,
Speaker 2: but it's the not knowing it's the what if what,
Speaker 2: and we get, and that's it. We get way ahead
Speaker 2: of ourselves and, Just have a plan B. Have an
Speaker 2: appointment or have a name of a vet that will
Speaker 2: come to your house. Or you can always take your
Speaker 2: animal there if you're free. Yeah, have a plan B, sure.
Speaker 2: But let's not sit there and go, when? When's it
Speaker 2: going to happen? We miss all the things right now, right?
Speaker 2: Like if you think about it, that's the physical space
Speaker 2: that you'll never have that kind of existence again. But,
Speaker 2: you know, and the thing is, knowing that it does continue.
Speaker 2: They continue. guide you from from just the animals told
Speaker 2: me the other day that it's just another place another
Speaker 2: room if you will but it's just not as close
Speaker 2: in the physical and if you won't know it till
Speaker 2: you cross over and feel it but I felt that
Speaker 2: what they've showed me because I can they show me
Speaker 2: and I feel and they've said here's what it feels
Speaker 2: like Nicole it's just another place and it's but it's
Speaker 2: just not the dense it just doesn't it's just not
Speaker 2: the density that it is here so.
Speaker 1: Have you had crossed over animals come through in your communications.
Speaker 2: I got one, Tebow. She's brilliant. She's kind of the,
Speaker 2: you know, they go animal, species leader, and then collective,
Speaker 2: and she's kind of one of the oversouls. She's kind
Speaker 2: of the spokesperson for the dogs that have crossed, for
Speaker 2: animals that have crossed over that I work with. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes she's the voice. I try to kind of connect
Speaker 2: with them all pretty, but they'll pop in like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're here, or two or three of them will, because
Speaker 2: I've had 24. We've had 24 in our.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Because we rescued all different ages, right? So, yeah. But, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I've had my certain ones come in, and they
Speaker 2: still help, Mary Ellen, in so many different ways. It
Speaker 2: just may not be the obvious ways that we... Some
Speaker 2: are louder than others, I should say. She's a terrier.
Speaker 1: Just like people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. She's spirited, and she's a terrier, so....
Speaker 1: Tell us about, yeah.
Speaker 2: Let me say one last thing. No guilt. There's no
Speaker 2: guilt because they, no guilt. They said, do you want
Speaker 2: to take your whole relationship and boil it down to
Speaker 2: one moment, one time, one event? We're about love and
Speaker 2: conditional love. So don't do that. Don't take the whole
Speaker 2: relationship and make it about one decision. You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's very good advice too.
Speaker 2: As they say, they pay you to make the hard decisions.
Speaker 1: And I also think about if it was a family member,
Speaker 1: what if it was a human that was potentially suffering
Speaker 1: in a way that was like that? And you don't
Speaker 1: want to lose them either, but you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going to go back to the word suffering.
Speaker 2: I mean, unless there's a car accident or something like that,
Speaker 2: where they're like, obviously there's a whole gaping hole in them.
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean? Are they really suffering
Speaker 2: or is that something that we're imposing on them? And
Speaker 2: if we continue to give drugs and we know they're
Speaker 2: at end of life, then we're just prolonging that natural,
Speaker 2: They said, Mary Ellen, trust that their body knows what
Speaker 2: to do. I'm not saying this like across the board.
Speaker 2: There's no, I mean, sure. There's time when euthanasia is
Speaker 2: the right thing, but it's, it, it's mostly for humans
Speaker 2: because of our perceptions on death. Animals know what to do.
Speaker 2: They feel at home with it. That's beautiful. They, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I have yet to have one who said
Speaker 2: I would like to be euthanized now. there's all kinds of, that's,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that, that ones don't, but you know,
Speaker 2: but again, it's not something that should be hurried or medicated. No,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's, I, that's from them. That is, none
Speaker 2: of this is from me. It's from all the animals
Speaker 2: that I've communicated with.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: That's stuff I'm making up. My, my, my opinions about
Speaker 2: it don't matter except for when I said to you
Speaker 2: the one thing I, whatever I said, I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 2: But All right.
Speaker 1: And now on a lighter note, tell us about your deck,
Speaker 1: how you created it. I'm interested to see it. It's
Speaker 1: beautiful what you showed me. And we're getting a sneak
Speaker 1: peek because it's not officially published yet.
Speaker 2: Yes. So let's just tell everyone. So I, an artist,
Speaker 2: an animal communicator, I created a, this is the box
Speaker 2: and cards here, a 203-page book. I created a two-sided card,
Speaker 2: Oracle Deck cards, 54 of them. The sole painting is,
Speaker 2: each one of the two sides, the soul paintings on
Speaker 2: the front and a soul painting in case viewers don't
Speaker 2: know is, I'll just hold one card up. It's the
Speaker 2: emotional and energetic imprint of that being or that essence,
Speaker 2: whatever you call it. And then what, how it started
Speaker 2: out was the animals in all these communications were giving
Speaker 2: me profound truths, the way that they see and experience
Speaker 2: the world as divine beings living a physical existence. Now
Speaker 2: this is one of their, Profound Truths. They have more
Speaker 2: in the book. Who's Chico? Tell us about Chico. Chico. Now,
Speaker 2: this one has a mixture of domestic and wild. And
Speaker 2: I communicated with each individual animal for this. And then
Speaker 2: with the wild animals, it was each one animal, except
Speaker 2: for wolves. I communicated with all the wolves.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But Chico is Debbie Mead's cat in California. But these
Speaker 2: are clients. Most of these are people that I know
Speaker 2: who wanted to be in the deck. But it started
Speaker 2: from the animals sharing their profound truths. And they were
Speaker 2: just blowing me away with these. So that started there.
Speaker 2: And then this reads just as an oracle deck would.
Speaker 2: So an oracle deck is different from a tarot because... Well,
Speaker 2: it's got the numerology, right? And it's got the image, right?
Speaker 2: The soul painting. So the soul painting in itself is
Speaker 2: one way to experience the art because with abstract art,
Speaker 2: you have to, it's bottom-up processing. You have to be
Speaker 2: out of your head and you have to bring more
Speaker 2: of yourself to complete the image. And they said a
Speaker 2: soul cannot be confined to a label or a fixed
Speaker 2: image or a name. So therefore a soul has to
Speaker 2: be abstract and colors and feelings. You have to feel
Speaker 2: into it. You can't think into it. And then they
Speaker 2: started sharing in the book. Um, it gives you, um,
Speaker 2: a couple exercises. It talks about animal communication, uh, exercise
Speaker 2: to communicate with your own animals, talks about colors. It
Speaker 2: gives you animals, uh, spreads to ways to use the cards. And, um,
Speaker 2: it talks about art and just animals in our lives.
Speaker 2: And then, um, Each card has numerology. I don't, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll just show you. Okay. Wisdom about the profound truths.
Speaker 2: You use it just like a normal deck. So if
Speaker 2: you were to ask me a question, do you, whatever
Speaker 2: question you would ask your Oracle deck or your Tarot,
Speaker 2: I kind of shuffle the cards and then I pick
Speaker 2: one and inevitably. Yeah. You want to do that? Sure.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: You're trying to think of a question. Or you could
Speaker 2: just say, what's the message I need to know today?
Speaker 1: What's the next message I need to know today? That
Speaker 1: would be something I would use Oracle cards for.
Speaker 2: And then so I'm just going to pick one here
Speaker 2: and not look. And there's multiple ways you can do it.
Speaker 2: And I've got Olivia Gray. And one you would respond to,
Speaker 2: you know, and the book, they help you do it too.
Speaker 2: They even interpret their own soul painting, Marianne. So you
Speaker 2: experience the art and then you can read the quote
Speaker 2: on the back and then look at the book. Now,
Speaker 2: her quote is, gender is fluid, is a fluid experience,
Speaker 2: not a label. So, yeah. So that's something, judgment, labeling,
Speaker 2: that's something that they're asking you to look at today. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so we all need to look at that. We
Speaker 2: all need to look at that. And then you just
Speaker 2: go to that number, which is 42. Four and two
Speaker 2: is six. You can look at numerology or you can
Speaker 2: go to her page in the book and Olivia Gray,
Speaker 2: who's a cat and read her guidance on that quote and,
Speaker 2: or her interpretation of the soul painting. And I'm going
Speaker 2: to read this to you because this is something they
Speaker 2: added called pulling the card. Olivia Gray sees the aspect
Speaker 2: of you that really lacks a desire to fit into
Speaker 2: a standard or a norm specifically for you. Trust the
Speaker 2: part of you that feels natural by being you.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I can attest to this. If I tune into your energy,
Speaker 2: everything you've done in your life has been a little
Speaker 2: outside of the box, a little outside. You're not scared
Speaker 2: to work alone. You like to work by yourself. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I like it better. You say, sometimes you say other
Speaker 2: people get in my way. I like to be outside
Speaker 2: of the fray. I like to work outside of the
Speaker 2: fray and you come, you come in when you need
Speaker 2: a sense of community and when you need some compassion
Speaker 2: and some, you come in to the fray when, it's needed,
Speaker 2: then you always go back outside. And so I think that,
Speaker 2: that idea of gender is fluid. It's all fluid, right?
Speaker 2: But like being who you are, pulling the card and
Speaker 2: just allowing yourself to be even more who you are,
Speaker 2: Mary Ellen. So those things that you wanted to try
Speaker 2: that you're thinking about trying that are outside the box
Speaker 2: or that are just something new, do it.
Speaker 1: That's a great, great message for today.
Speaker 2: You could read on, but you know, I just said
Speaker 2: that we just did that impromptu, but It's beautiful what
Speaker 2: they share. Anyway, Kickstarter. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
Speaker 2: So this won't come into fruition unless I meet my
Speaker 2: goal on Kickstarter. But Kickstarter is a crowdfunding platform that's amazing.
Speaker 2: It allows every, like, grassroots, anybody for $ 50, whatever the
Speaker 2: price is. I think my decks are $ 50. And then
Speaker 2: there's different tiers. You can get communications, love letter from
Speaker 2: your pet. There's different tiers. You'll be able to see
Speaker 2: this when it goes live on October 6th. It's a
Speaker 2: crowdfunding platform that allows every person to be part of
Speaker 2: some bringing a creation to creators project to fruition. There's
Speaker 2: all different kinds of projects. So Oracle X are a
Speaker 2: big part of Kickstarter. So there's a link that I
Speaker 2: have and hopefully we can put it in the show
Speaker 2: notes where it's my backer kit link. And then they
Speaker 2: can just put their email in and I'll send them
Speaker 2: emails and October 6th. They'll be like, we're live.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Go in. and pledge.
Speaker 1: We will do that for sure.
Speaker 2: And signing up doesn't mean you've agreed to anything except following.
Speaker 2: So I just get an idea of how many more
Speaker 2: people I need to follow and make this bring to fruition.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. So we'll put that in the social
Speaker 1: media posts and then also your, the show description and
Speaker 1: your bio page too. excuse me. So if people can
Speaker 1: go click that, that would definitely help Nicole out for, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and then where will we be able to
Speaker 1: buy your deck when it's released?
Speaker 2: It'll help the world because this, it, I, I, I
Speaker 2: promise you, and I don't make promises, Jessica, um, Mary Allen, um,
Speaker 2: it'll change how you experience your own animals yourself and
Speaker 2: the natural world. I've, I promise you it's mind blowing
Speaker 2: and I'm only lucky enough to be the vehicle in
Speaker 2: the translation of this. Um, And the next three are
Speaker 2: even going to be, I'm just so excited about, I'm
Speaker 2: humbled that they chose me. And I feel like I
Speaker 2: did them a good, I feel like I did them justice.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I, if this makes its goal, then it'll
Speaker 2: be on my website. The decks will be, but, but
Speaker 2: really how to get the free stuff is to do
Speaker 2: the Kickstarter. There's tons of freebies, magnets, bookmarks. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's part of Kickstarter, right? That you get to get
Speaker 2: in on the ground level. you create the momentum for
Speaker 2: everybody else. And that, that's what we need really the
Speaker 2: momentum to get this going.
Speaker 1: I mean, when it hits your goal, not if, when
Speaker 1: it hits your goal.
Speaker 2: No, when, and then hopefully after, because, you know, the
Speaker 2: goal is just to kind of give a little bit
Speaker 2: of compensation to the artist, but yeah. And then it's
Speaker 2: going to help with the future decks. And also one
Speaker 2: last thing, I am giving 5% to Earth Fire Institute.
Speaker 2: It's a nonprofit organization. that helps build animal, I mean,
Speaker 2: purchase wildlife corridors for natural migration near the Grand Tetons
Speaker 2: and the Yukon. I was lucky enough to be in
Speaker 2: Earth Fire and communicate with those animals. Wow. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. When I think of the fires, that's
Speaker 1: the first thing I think of. I recently went to
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and we drove far north from Santa Fe,
Speaker 1: we wanted to hike to where there's some rock formations
Speaker 1: that we thought, you know, it was kind of an easy.
Speaker 2: Hike.
Speaker 1: And then we drove all the way up there and
Speaker 1: every single trail was closed because of bears. And they
Speaker 1: said every, they are just seeing so much of them,
Speaker 1: they're everywhere. And we were thinking about the fires. The
Speaker 1: fires were still, you know, 15 miles away, but how
Speaker 1: many animals are getting displaced because of that? That's one
Speaker 1: of the things we thought of was perhaps. That's why
Speaker 1: there had been more of that. So then I wanted
Speaker 1: to see a bear. I was, that my friend, I
Speaker 1: was with said, do you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you, right? Maybe not in that situation, but
Speaker 2: my friend lives on the West Coast in Seattle and
Speaker 2: she said that that's the issue. All the bears are
Speaker 2: being just pushed out. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's bad. When
Speaker 2: just how much land that is because urban sprawling that
Speaker 2: we are taking up, but the animals need, I had
Speaker 2: no idea how much land they need to migrate so
Speaker 2: they can produce. They more than we think they do.
Speaker 2: So they're not ancestrally, you know, so it's not, you know,
Speaker 2: so they're reproducing, but yeah. So all this is the
Speaker 2: animals are speaking and I, and they're, I definitely gave
Speaker 2: them a voice. It's their voice, their perspective. It's not me.
Speaker 2: It's all from the animals, except the numerology that's from me,
Speaker 2: but the rest of the 90% is all from them.
Speaker 2: So that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I saw on CBS Sunday morning yesterday, Stuart, Stuart Copeland
Speaker 1: of the, the, the police. the band, the police is doing,
Speaker 1: it's called an album. The album is called wild concerto.
Speaker 1: And there was a guy that takes a really high
Speaker 1: powered microphone and just goes in the wild and then
Speaker 1: can isolate. And he can literally turn the different animal
Speaker 1: sounds into mute. Like, you know, he knows right when
Speaker 1: to have them make the sound. And then Stuart Copeland's,
Speaker 1: you know, a beautiful musician too. And that was, When
Speaker 1: you listen to it, it's just so heartfelt. It's so wonderful.
Speaker 1: I would recommend anybody that feels like we do, you know,
Speaker 1: about just being in concert with the animals and the
Speaker 1: land and everything to check that out. But tell us,
Speaker 1: we've just got two minutes left about your classes at
Speaker 1: the Edgar Cayce Center.
Speaker 2: So I do animal communication and soul painting. So I
Speaker 2: teach soul painting several times, three, four times a year.
Speaker 2: The one in December, I just taught one, and that
Speaker 2: was for grief and loss. Wow. I teach a soul
Speaker 2: painting in December for self-acceptance. So we'll focus on that
Speaker 2: for that particular soul painting. But there's so much healing
Speaker 2: in that. It's not about coming in as an artist and,
Speaker 2: you know, be making your best piece ever. It's not
Speaker 2: about that for a show. Even though I have a
Speaker 2: degree from VCU, it's different. It's all about just opening up, healing,
Speaker 2: kind of somatic stuff, feeling it, letting the colors, you know, come,
Speaker 2: which colors are going to, what comes out. And you know,
Speaker 2: It's just like this. You never know what's going to
Speaker 2: come out. And then, you know, there's a writing that
Speaker 2: people write as well with it, some kind of, whether
Speaker 2: it comes out in stream of conscious or poetic form.
Speaker 2: And then I have a webinar coming up, $ 25 at
Speaker 2: the ARE. It's September 16th. It's all about communication and
Speaker 2: there's three exercises. So I do that and I do
Speaker 2: like evenings where I have an audience and I communicate
Speaker 2: messages from the other side for their animals. Nice. So, yeah.
Speaker 1: So, so that would be on your website, how to find,
Speaker 1: to register.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure on the Edgar Casey site, edgarcasey.org,
Speaker 1: it would.
Speaker 2: Be on there too.
Speaker 1: You are harpspace.org.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And this has been such a great conversation and I've
Speaker 1: learned so much about animals and different ways to communicate
Speaker 1: with them and how they communicate with us too. And
Speaker 1: the lessons that they teach us are so important. And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's something that we ever really
Speaker 1: considered is how much we do learn from them. So
Speaker 1: thank you for being that messenger for that. So all right. Well,
Speaker 1: I would love to have you on again. I think
Speaker 1: there's so many other interesting things we could get into
Speaker 1: with all of these and Kickstarter. Everybody look for the
Speaker 1: link and support Nicole in this endeavor so that we
Speaker 1: can have more decks.
Speaker 2: So. Right. More animal wisdom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love it. All right. Well, thank you very much
Speaker 1: for your time, for joining us here and for everybody
Speaker 1: that's listening and we'll see you again.
Speaker 2: Bye-bye.
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