WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:03.480 Welcome back to Out of this World, and I'm here 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:08.560 with our good friend Hesher from Alternate Current Radio, and 3 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:11.679 it's your first time here on this channel, and we 4 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:14.199 are glad to have you because you're an old friend 5 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:20.160 of ours and you were the perfect person to have 6 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:25.559 on after this deluge of files that we just got 7 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:31.440 released to us and everyone scrambling going through these things, 8 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:33.960 and there's so much it's kind of like a mandol 9 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:36.159 brought like the more you zoom in, the more it 10 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.600 like blossoms some more things. You're like, there are so 11 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.520 many rabbit holes that we can go down, and this 12 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.200 one it's gonna be crazy because of all the names 13 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.000 that came up in the files. I don't know if 14 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:56.039 you guys knew this one, but one was moot Moot. 15 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.119 Why does that sound familiar to me? Remind me? 16 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:01.840 Is the creator of four chan? 17 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:02.840 Okay? 18 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:08.239 You go, yes, So this kind of like neurons we're 19 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:13.359 firing in my brain and it seems like Epstein and 20 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:19.840 four Chan we're steering the uh alt right and Glaine 21 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.359 and read it we're steering the left. So it's this 22 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:29.959 big octopus of psyops. Okay, and so what I want 23 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.000 you guys all to remember. And that's why Hesher is 24 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:35.799 a perfect person for this because number one, I trust you. 25 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.400 We've known you so long, We've been on your show 26 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:44.920 so many times. You and Spore are really good friends, normal, reasonable, 27 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:49.959 you know, all of the good things that content creators 28 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:54.159 should be, right, So, and I wanted Hesha to come 29 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.480 on with me to so this was the perfect subject. 30 00:01:57.519 --> 00:01:59.519 So this show is called Internet Hate Machine. 31 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:01.840 Ooh. I like it. 32 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.640 Because it is apparent to us now that all of 33 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:10.840 these people and the algorithms are driving us to fight 34 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:12.840 each other instead of look into what they're doing. Do 35 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:13.439 you agree with that? 36 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.599 M h oh, yeah, absolutely, you know. I think one 37 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:20.360 of the things that has bound us together and many 38 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.599 of our common viewers and listeners and colleagues is that 39 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:29.080 what we do sits at the intersection of media, culture 40 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.919 and politics. So not in the partisan sense, though, but 41 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:39.400 in how narratives form and spread. And I think, much 42 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.439 like me, you're fascinated by how symbols and memes and 43 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:51.560 online communities end up shaping real world conversations long before 44 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:57.000 you know, policy ever catches up or things become normal, 45 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.960 you know. So it puts us in a strange place 46 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.840 because we're not you know what I mean. People want, 47 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.120 at least from what I can tell from audience, people 48 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.680 want you to be a reverent, you know, people want 49 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.000 you to be funny. Some people want you to be 50 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.400 serious all the time. Some people don't like it when 51 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:19.280 you're funny. There's all these different you know, perspectives based 52 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.360 on you know, someone's personality, their worldview, and where they 53 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:26.080 are in the you know, the doom roller coaster of 54 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.400 twenty of the twenty first century. So it's a really 55 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:33.080 interesting place to be in. And yeah, this has been 56 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:37.080 quite the crazy week. And we've talked so many times 57 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:43.879 about four chan being inserted into or being maybe the 58 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:48.400 inflection point or the nexus point of something that's just 59 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:51.759 blowing up online. And it's like a lot of people 60 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.759 just don't go there, so they don't know about it. 61 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.919 They don't really understand, you know, the way that it works, 62 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.599 the kind of accounts that are there. I'm not even 63 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:00.919 going to say the kind of people that are there, 64 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.240 because we just call them accounts. 65 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.439 You're unfortunately. 66 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.479 Could be an AI, could be a bot farm, could 67 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:14.360 be you know, Malaysian tappy tap cell phone farm, could 68 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.920 be a troll in your mom's basement, could be someone 69 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:20.360 at Langley, could be someone in the Friends of Jeffrey 70 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.800 network and friends of Galaine network, or them themselves. I mean, 71 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:28.120 that's kind of what we suspected all along, and now 72 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:33.040 we've seen multiple headlines, evidence evidence in some of these 73 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.199 emails that we were on the right track, and in 74 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.480 fact it might be worse than we suspected. 75 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.360 Yeah, I mean, the stuff that's coming out now is 76 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:47.399 even worse than let's say, Pizzagate of twenty sixteen. And 77 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.199 we have known you guys for at least ten or 78 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.079 eleven years, so we've been going through all of these conspiracies. 79 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:58.000 We've made predictions that came true. It's not going away. 80 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.120 So I wanted to go back in history a little 81 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:04.720 bit just to give you guys a little taste of syops, 82 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:07.560 because we were kind of laughing before we started. This 83 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:12.319 thing is just like a freaking reduction of crap where 84 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:18.399 it's just like stuffed with disinfo, truth, lies, you know, 85 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.439 all of this stuff. And so we're gonna try and 86 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:24.399 tease it out a little bit tonight. And speaking of 87 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:30.600 four Chan, you cannot talk about that without talking about 88 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.839 Anonymous and guy Fox, because he became the symbol of 89 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:38.680 this entire website, right, and he it was known as 90 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.279 the original fall guy because he took blame for this 91 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.399 whole plot that involved a lot of people, and they 92 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.399 even made a little One of the first memes on 93 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.360 four Chan actually was epic fail guide. Do you remember that? 94 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.319 Yeah, so that's him. 95 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:58.839 And if you've never heard of four chan, first of all, 96 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.639 let me congrat you on your mental health. 97 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.000 Yeah, that's helpful. 98 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:08.040 But I had been going there since oh man, two 99 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:15.160 thousand and six in my twenties on my old Dell desktop, right, 100 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.399 because back then we didn't have a lot of funny stuff. 101 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.800 We had you know, Yahoo and MSN and jim jab 102 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.560 and those kind of things. But four chan was just 103 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:30.519 like the funniest meme factory, irreverent all of this. It 104 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:34.279 really suck you in. And it was the original doom scroll. 105 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:40.519 Right, totally, absolutely, and it was a place where you 106 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.160 could just revel even if you were just a lurker, right, 107 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.040 even if you're just someone that read it and didn't 108 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.600 I shouldn't even say read it while talking about this, 109 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.680 but if you were just a reader of the site, right, 110 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:56.319 it was just like there was this feeling of like wow, 111 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.600 this is a place where people with the wild thoughts 112 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:04.319 come and just clack them onto the keyboard and post 113 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.279 them and you never know who it was, and you 114 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.000 didn't really care that you didn't know who it was. 115 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:12.040 You know, we're all using screen names. Anyways, nobody was 116 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:15.120 looking for internet clout really, especially back at that point 117 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:20.519 in time, you know. So, uh, there was just something other. 118 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.680 There was a novelty to it, and it really encapsulated 119 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.079 that sort of Old West feel, especially back in the 120 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.079 early days. 121 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:36.920 And well, speaking of Guy Fox and epic fail Guy, 122 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.199 there is that movie V for Bendetta, and we're going 123 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:43.680 to talk about that in a second. But so the 124 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:48.040 year is sixteen oh five. Remember remember the fifth of 125 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.360 November they say in that movie, and it is all 126 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.920 about the gunpowder plot. So every year the British celebrate 127 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:59.199 Guy Fox Night or Bonfire Night, and this is where 128 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.600 thousands of peace people come to watch the ritual burning 129 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:06.519 of Guy Fox, right, and so they have the body 130 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:10.360 of the condemned. He's usually prepared by local children who 131 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.800 will stay with the man, offering him comfort in his 132 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.240 final hours, and then cheer on when he is consumed 133 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:23.560 in the flames of effigy. Because he is the original Trader, right, 134 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:29.120 not the original one, but like an archetype of Trader's 135 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.960 actions against the government. Right, So short story tittled her. 136 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.240 This guy was caught red handed trying to blow up 137 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.120 the King of England and the House of Parliament. Right. 138 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.279 So it was King James the first to be exact, 139 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:47.519 who would go on to publish the Bible, right, the 140 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:51.200 English version of the Bible. And this is such a 141 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:55.559 crazy story because here we have a battle between Protestants 142 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:59.000 and Catholics going on in England at this time, and 143 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:01.799 King James's mother was Mary, Queen of Scott's, who is 144 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.559 the Catholic and he's trying to walk this line between 145 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:12.840 pleasing the Catholics and the Protestants, right, so he outlaws Catholicism. 146 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.360 Fifteen of his predecessors had been killed, including his own 147 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.200 father who was murdered with gunpowders, so he was very 148 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.960 on edge about being assassinated already, right, King James was. 149 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.080 So he had a spy master, just like Queen Elizabeth 150 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.360 the first who we get John Dee from one of 151 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.919 the spy archetype you know, double O seven right, Yeah, 152 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.720 So King James had the spy master named Robert Cecil. 153 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:45.759 And this ties into the Epstein stuff too, because Jeffrey 154 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:51.559 was massat, he was a spy and he was I 155 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.679 don't like, it's like, I don't care what side you're on. 156 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.799 It seems like now it's like the kid diddlers against 157 00:09:57.840 --> 00:09:58.919 everyone else, don't you think? 158 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:04.279 Yeah, yeah, it seems like there are these various sects 159 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:11.919 and secret societies and disgusting black magic, you know, sex people, 160 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.399 all this kind of stuff going on, and it's like 161 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:18.639 it's there seems to be that they all have tentacles 162 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:24.399 that reach out to various financiers, various intelligence agencies, various 163 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.240 political bodies, and geos, I mean pretty much anything they need. 164 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.360 You know, just imagine the Blowfelds of the world and 165 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:34.840 all the you know, little satellites that orbit around them 166 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.759 that you know, make them able to be these sort 167 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:43.240 of you know, let's face it, super villainous inhuman uh, 168 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.399 you know, disgusting, kleptocrat, you know, cult people. 169 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:53.960 Yeah, uh, totally just evil creatures. 170 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.720 So and they almost kill it. They almost worked. From 171 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:00.799 my understanding, you know six, you know, five's a long 172 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.039 time ago, and there's a lot of you're indicating there's 173 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.120 a lot of propaganda pile on top of it, which 174 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.240 there was, and it's kind of reversed in the movie, 175 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.559 which is interesting. But I mean, they had the gunpowder 176 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.399 barrels all under the House of Parliament, I mean, and 177 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.720 someone ratted them out. So I'm not sure who ratted 178 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:20.919 them out or what the situation was there, but from 179 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.840 what I can tell, they received information, probably from the 180 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.759 spymaster that you were just talking about, and it destroyed 181 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.559 the plot. But it's like they had the explosives there. 182 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:33.039 They were, Yeah, they were close. 183 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.960 Well it's a funny story because so you have these 184 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:41.200 Catholic zelots who are against King James, and the ring 185 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.519 leader his name was Robert Catesby, and they had four henchmen, 186 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:49.360 two guys named Thomas John and Guy Fowx was the 187 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:52.879 fourth one, right, And they met at this club to 188 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.519 plan the bombing and they were going to kidnap King 189 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:57.960 James's daughter, who was a nine year old girl and 190 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.080 turn her into a Catholic queen, like kind of a 191 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:05.840 puppet queen for them. They accumulate thirty six barrels of 192 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:12.240 gunpowder and they literally rented the cellar directly under the 193 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.440 House of Parliament because they were like, how are we 194 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.360 going to set this up? And they're like, I know, 195 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:19.320 let's just rent the space underneath. So they did. They 196 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.440 leased it out, They got all the gunpowder in there 197 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.480 beneath the House of Lords, and then the event was 198 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.960 supposed to happen in like may or something, but it 199 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:32.279 was postponed till November due to play. So they have 200 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.120 to sit, literally sit on these powder kegs for months 201 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.200 at a time. And this is where the plot starts 202 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.639 to unravel because in the meantime, they're starting to get 203 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:44.279 cold feet, they're starting to their conscience is like, well, 204 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.600 maybe we shouldn't blow up a bunch of innocent people. 205 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:48.679 Didn't have a nine year old. 206 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.159 Right, They're like, we could be discovered at any moment. 207 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:55.440 So by this time the co conspirators had grown to 208 00:12:55.639 --> 00:13:00.919 like around thirteen people, and one of them cracked and 209 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:03.600 warned a friend who was a baron. So they sent 210 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.200 the baron a letter warning him not to attend the 211 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.159 parliament meeting on November fifth, and so word quickly got 212 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:15.159 back to King James. They searched the building and they 213 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.600 found guy Fox down there underneath, chilling with all of 214 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:19.919 the gunpowder. 215 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.039 All the gunpowder, right, He's just. 216 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.759 Sitting there and he was like, I'm just an employee 217 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.080 and this seller was rented by my master, a guy 218 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.399 named Thomas Percy. And they're like, oh, that guy, that's 219 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.000 a crazy caf the Zealot, and so they're like looking 220 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:38.000 into this more. He's a known agitator. They come back 221 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.480 to question guy again. He proceeds to tell them that 222 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:45.879 his name is John Johnson. So it's like, what is 223 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:49.360 over that they searched him. They found these kind of 224 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:54.000 like long matches that are meant to ignite trails of gunpowder. 225 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:59.759 And then find six long daggers. I don't remember. Yeah, 226 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:02.159 always wondered when I watched that movie the first time, 227 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:06.799 like how much of this guy's personality was actually real, 228 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.559 like the actions of the main character in the movie? 229 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:15.159 Right? V Right? So they got Guy, the other guys, 230 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:17.799 Katsby and the others. They fled the city. They raided 231 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:19.840 a castle on the way and they hit out with 232 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.519 their guns and their powder in a safe house. But 233 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.480 the gunpowder that they had robbed was all wet, so 234 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.120 they couldn't use it, so they stuck it in front 235 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:28.720 of a fire. 236 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:36.399 Oh dot dot, Yeah. 237 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.879 They boomed themselves and so they were wounded, they were 238 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:40.559 blown up, and then the next day, like two hundred 239 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.879 kingsmen tracked him down and finished them off. So meanwhile, 240 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:48.320 the Tower of London they've got. You know, guy Fox, 241 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:53.120 he had not given up his co conspirators, good old Chad, 242 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.759 guy Fox. He was doing good under torture. He was 243 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.639 being belligerent, he was in high spirits. But after two 244 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:04.320 days he was sentenced to hang and be drawn and quartered, 245 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:10.440 which is not the funnest thing to get, but he 246 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:15.440 actually dead ass. He jumps off the scaffolding and breaks 247 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.279 his own neck because drawn and quartered they hang you first, 248 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.360 and then they not until you're dead. They just hang 249 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.279 you right and harangue you, and then they take you 250 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.320 out and they cut your guts out and they cut 251 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:28.480 you into pieces. So he's like, I'm not having that. 252 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.279 So he just jumped off and broke his own neck. 253 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:36.240 Pretty bad ass if you ask me. But still like, 254 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.240 oh gosh, you know, when you when you really think 255 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.519 about it, especially the way that that king James and 256 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:49.360 that monarchy took it and you know, kind of twisted it. 257 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.919 It was almost like we see things like this happen 258 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:59.320 now sometimes you know, like for example of what we've 259 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.399 talked about with and you many times, the Newburgh sting 260 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:07.600 or you know, other cases like the ninety three w 261 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:13.799 tc UH failed failed bombing attempt, those kind of things 262 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:18.360 where it's like the plot is very similar, except in 263 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.759 some of these cases there is actually a intelligence or 264 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:27.080 a law enforcement person in there. You know, many people 265 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:31.799 would would say, uh, what's what's the word when they 266 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.679 entice or want a blanket on the word when in 267 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.879 trap many people say they're you know, basically doing entrapment 268 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:41.919 to get people to become sort of like modern day 269 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:46.279 Guy Fawkes type characters and then use the narrative that 270 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:52.159 has spun around that event to create policy or you know, uh, 271 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.720 take away freedoms or liberties or you know, stuff like that. 272 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:58.759 We see this a lot. We have solid evidence of 273 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.320 that happening, and and now more so and at a 274 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:07.359 quicker rate than ever. It's interesting the way, like it's 275 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:09.359 kind of like never let a crisis go to that 276 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.759 saying never let a good crisis go to waste. Like 277 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.119 if something like that pops up organically, it can be 278 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:19.079 used by a monarch or a president, or a media 279 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:23.000 system or an NGO system or whatever to twist it 280 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:23.880 any way they want. 281 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:27.039 Yeah, or the entire thing could have just been rotten 282 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.119 from the beginning because this I'm not going to say 283 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:34.839 the word, but this book Big Nine Synthetic Terror Classic. 284 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:39.039 On the very last page it talks about the Gunpowder plotters. 285 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:42.680 It says a myth since the seventeenth century, the Patsies 286 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.960 of the Popish plot. So, like we said, it was 287 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:50.680 Catholics against Protestant So you've got some fake flag elements 288 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:54.200 maybe in here, like crystal knock, you know what I'm 289 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:54.759 talking about. 290 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:55.880 Yeah, yep. 291 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.680 So it says the Patsy's of the Popish plot of 292 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.319 November fifth, Guy Fox, the most infamous fog Guy is 293 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:04.440 third from the right, and they have this old woodft 294 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.480 of the guys. Can you see that? 295 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:06.839 Wow? 296 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.640 Yeah. 297 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:15.079 It says Percy was a double agent instigating the plot 298 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.519 for the Royal Chancellor, Lord Secil. Two thousand and five 299 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.000 mark the fourth anniversary of the Big Nine and the 300 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:27.119 four hundredth anniversary of state Sponsor's false flag TRR or 301 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:32.359 synthetic TRR in the English speaking world, Guy Fox Day. 302 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.759 Even now, few people understand the plot guy was no 303 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.079 Fox but a dupe. And stared by the Chief Minister 304 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.400 himself in a madcap sking to blow up the King 305 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:43.279 in parliament. The real plot was royally successful to invest 306 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.400 a pretext for war with Spain. This fraud was the 307 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:48.880 foundation of the British Empire. In eighteen ninety eight, the 308 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.279 American Century was ushered in by a similar anti Spanish hoax, 309 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.599 the bombing of the uss Main. So it goes on 310 00:18:54.640 --> 00:19:01.240 to say, like so many fake trrs and fake flags. 311 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.960 Right, And it's like at the time England was deeply 312 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:13.839 divided between Protestant ruling elite and Catholic minorities basically facing persecution. 313 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:19.240 And the Catholics were being fined for not attending Protestant services, 314 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.960 they were being barred from political power, and they were 315 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:28.079 viewed as political or not political, but potential traders due 316 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:33.240 to loyalty fears toward Rome. And at the time it's 317 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.160 my understanding that many had hoped that King James the 318 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.960 First would ease restrictions when he took the throne a 319 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.720 couple of years before this, and when he did not, 320 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.279 he you know, actually things got worse. That was when 321 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:50.720 frustration and radicalization grew among some Catholics. But then after 322 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:56.599 these events, this monarchy is able to now say, see, 323 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:01.400 we told you all Catholics are extreme mists. So does 324 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:05.400 this sound familiar? Is this, this chain of events and 325 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:08.799 narrative management sounding familiar to everybody? 326 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:09.079 Yet? 327 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.960 Yeah? And I know your guys there, but like, what 328 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:14.799 does it have to do with Epstein in the files? 329 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:17.720 When we're gonna get there, we have so much notes. 330 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.160 So I wanted to go in chronological order because this 331 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:25.799 has to do with Viva Vendetta and Pizzagate. So yeah, 332 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:31.079 if you've never been there for whatever reason, the origin 333 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.839 of a good majority of Internet culture started on Fortune. 334 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.200 I mean, have you heard of rip rolling? Have you 335 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:44.240 heard of lolcats? Have you heard of memes? I mean 336 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.200 that's basically where memes come from? Is this Internet? I 337 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:53.519 can has cheeseburger, remember that one? All the old dank 338 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:54.880 classic memes. 339 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:57.960 Right, yeah? Oh absolutely, Yeah. And there were a lot 340 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:07.599 of like crap posting and fishing and trying to create 341 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:12.599 trends like they would make like somebody on there, like 342 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:16.400 a savvy troll on four Chan would write a blog 343 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.240 post or somewhere somewhere else and then link it on there, 344 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.960 and it would be completely fabricated. It would be like, say, 345 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.759 I recall when we covered on boiler Room where it 346 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.319 was like, uh, women are what were they doing like 347 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.240 like something with their menstrul blood, something gross with their 348 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:36.200 mentrul blood. And it was like and they said, oh, 349 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:38.200 it's a it's a form of protest against you know, 350 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.480 orange Man or something like that. And then people actually 351 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.640 started doing it and posting videos of themselves doing it, 352 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.720 like blue haired liberal chicks and angry Feminazis were like 353 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.680 doing these things and then posting it, and the you 354 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.000 know trolls on four chan are laughing about it because 355 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.480 you know, they made it up, it was fake. But 356 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.839 then people do it, you know, so so that fuel 357 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:05.920 of fire. People started having fun engaging in early cultural 358 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:10.920 warfare with you know, unfortunately low IQ people or you know, 359 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.000 people that are ignorant to what's going on on the site. 360 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.200 I'm so glad you brought that up, because it is 361 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:22.559 life imitating trolling. It's not even art, right, and this 362 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:28.720 goes deeper than just funny prance. It's also about how 363 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.160 do you say it? See Sam? Is that the way 364 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:31.799 to see it now? 365 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:33.039 Yeah? Yeah, see Sam? 366 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:39.920 Yep, because that's a big part of it. Unfourtun and 367 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.559 like I said, it's the crossroads of the Internet. It 368 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:46.000 is like the it's the dungeon, it's the base of it. 369 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.839 It's the right it's like the primordial. 370 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:51.319 Back Ali behind the dumpster. 371 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:54.920 So this site was launched in two thousand and three 372 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:59.880 by a one Christopher Poole who goes by moot so 373 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.000 he's like the ultimate moderator. He was a fifteen year 374 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:07.319 old student from New York City and he had been 375 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:13.720 a regular participant on the website Something Awful. Remember that website. Yeah, 376 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.279 back then we had Something Awful. We had rotten dot com. 377 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.839 If you were like a weird, curious person trying to 378 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.039 look at, you know, taboo things, Something Awful was good 379 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.359 for that. So they had a sub forum called Anime 380 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:38.119 Death Tentacle R word whorehouse. Okay, this is where forgen 381 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:42.559 came from Something Awful's board called that thing, and he 382 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:47.319 copied the Japanese image board format and he invited all 383 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:52.039 the Anime Death Tentacle people their members to discuss anime 384 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.920 manga on his new website called four chan. 385 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:02.599 Oh boy, So I imagine the series Ortsuki Doji was 386 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:04.480 very popular among these guys. 387 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:06.599 Yes, So have you heard of Wiya Boos. 388 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.880 Yeah yeah, okay. 389 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:11.359 Before there was in cells, there were Wiya boos, and 390 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.640 this is the home of those guys. So the first 391 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.799 board was random B. And it's funny because when I joined, 392 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.440 there wasn't a lot of I didn't you don't join, 393 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:23.160 You just lurk. 394 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.680 Yeah, okay, you're smart. 395 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:29.119 When I started lurking. The funniest thing on there was 396 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:31.319 long Cat, which was just like some guy holding up 397 00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:32.200 this cat in the cat. 398 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.240 Remember long Cat. Yeah, it's like Garfield colored right, like golden. 399 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.319 So that's how long I've been visiting this place. I mean, 400 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.960 I don't go there anymore for several years because it's 401 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.720