Speaker 1: Welcome back to Out of this World, and I'm here
Speaker 1: with our good friend Hesher from Alternate Current Radio, and
Speaker 1: it's your first time here on this channel, and we
Speaker 1: are glad to have you because you're an old friend
Speaker 1: of ours and you were the perfect person to have
Speaker 1: on after this deluge of files that we just got
Speaker 1: released to us and everyone scrambling going through these things,
Speaker 1: and there's so much it's kind of like a mandol
Speaker 1: brought like the more you zoom in, the more it
Speaker 1: like blossoms some more things. You're like, there are so
Speaker 1: many rabbit holes that we can go down, and this
Speaker 1: one it's gonna be crazy because of all the names
Speaker 1: that came up in the files. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys knew this one, but one was moot Moot.
Speaker 2: Why does that sound familiar to me? Remind me?
Speaker 1: Is the creator of four chan?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: You go, yes, So this kind of like neurons we're
Speaker 1: firing in my brain and it seems like Epstein and
Speaker 1: four Chan we're steering the uh alt right and Glaine
Speaker 1: and read it we're steering the left. So it's this
Speaker 1: big octopus of psyops. Okay, and so what I want
Speaker 1: you guys all to remember. And that's why Hesher is
Speaker 1: a perfect person for this because number one, I trust you.
Speaker 1: We've known you so long, We've been on your show
Speaker 1: so many times. You and Spore are really good friends, normal, reasonable,
Speaker 1: you know, all of the good things that content creators
Speaker 1: should be, right, So, and I wanted Hesha to come
Speaker 1: on with me to so this was the perfect subject.
Speaker 1: So this show is called Internet Hate Machine.
Speaker 2: Ooh. I like it.
Speaker 1: Because it is apparent to us now that all of
Speaker 1: these people and the algorithms are driving us to fight
Speaker 1: each other instead of look into what they're doing. Do
Speaker 1: you agree with that?
Speaker 2: M h oh, yeah, absolutely, you know. I think one
Speaker 2: of the things that has bound us together and many
Speaker 2: of our common viewers and listeners and colleagues is that
Speaker 2: what we do sits at the intersection of media, culture
Speaker 2: and politics. So not in the partisan sense, though, but
Speaker 2: in how narratives form and spread. And I think, much
Speaker 2: like me, you're fascinated by how symbols and memes and
Speaker 2: online communities end up shaping real world conversations long before
Speaker 2: you know, policy ever catches up or things become normal,
Speaker 2: you know. So it puts us in a strange place
Speaker 2: because we're not you know what I mean. People want,
Speaker 2: at least from what I can tell from audience, people
Speaker 2: want you to be a reverent, you know, people want
Speaker 2: you to be funny. Some people want you to be
Speaker 2: serious all the time. Some people don't like it when
Speaker 2: you're funny. There's all these different you know, perspectives based
Speaker 2: on you know, someone's personality, their worldview, and where they
Speaker 2: are in the you know, the doom roller coaster of
Speaker 2: twenty of the twenty first century. So it's a really
Speaker 2: interesting place to be in. And yeah, this has been
Speaker 2: quite the crazy week. And we've talked so many times
Speaker 2: about four chan being inserted into or being maybe the
Speaker 2: inflection point or the nexus point of something that's just
Speaker 2: blowing up online. And it's like a lot of people
Speaker 2: just don't go there, so they don't know about it.
Speaker 2: They don't really understand, you know, the way that it works,
Speaker 2: the kind of accounts that are there. I'm not even
Speaker 2: going to say the kind of people that are there,
Speaker 2: because we just call them accounts.
Speaker 3: You're unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Could be an AI, could be a bot farm, could
Speaker 2: be you know, Malaysian tappy tap cell phone farm, could
Speaker 2: be a troll in your mom's basement, could be someone
Speaker 2: at Langley, could be someone in the Friends of Jeffrey
Speaker 2: network and friends of Galaine network, or them themselves. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's kind of what we suspected all along, and now
Speaker 2: we've seen multiple headlines, evidence evidence in some of these
Speaker 2: emails that we were on the right track, and in
Speaker 2: fact it might be worse than we suspected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the stuff that's coming out now is
Speaker 1: even worse than let's say, Pizzagate of twenty sixteen. And
Speaker 1: we have known you guys for at least ten or
Speaker 1: eleven years, so we've been going through all of these conspiracies.
Speaker 1: We've made predictions that came true. It's not going away.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to go back in history a little
Speaker 1: bit just to give you guys a little taste of syops,
Speaker 1: because we were kind of laughing before we started. This
Speaker 1: thing is just like a freaking reduction of crap where
Speaker 1: it's just like stuffed with disinfo, truth, lies, you know,
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And so we're gonna try and
Speaker 1: tease it out a little bit tonight. And speaking of
Speaker 1: four Chan, you cannot talk about that without talking about
Speaker 1: Anonymous and guy Fox, because he became the symbol of
Speaker 1: this entire website, right, and he it was known as
Speaker 1: the original fall guy because he took blame for this
Speaker 1: whole plot that involved a lot of people, and they
Speaker 1: even made a little One of the first memes on
Speaker 1: four Chan actually was epic fail guide. Do you remember that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's him.
Speaker 1: And if you've never heard of four chan, first of all,
Speaker 1: let me congrat you on your mental health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's helpful.
Speaker 1: But I had been going there since oh man, two
Speaker 1: thousand and six in my twenties on my old Dell desktop, right,
Speaker 1: because back then we didn't have a lot of funny stuff.
Speaker 1: We had you know, Yahoo and MSN and jim jab
Speaker 1: and those kind of things. But four chan was just
Speaker 1: like the funniest meme factory, irreverent all of this. It
Speaker 1: really suck you in. And it was the original doom scroll.
Speaker 2: Right, totally, absolutely, and it was a place where you
Speaker 2: could just revel even if you were just a lurker, right,
Speaker 2: even if you're just someone that read it and didn't
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even say read it while talking about this,
Speaker 2: but if you were just a reader of the site, right,
Speaker 2: it was just like there was this feeling of like wow,
Speaker 2: this is a place where people with the wild thoughts
Speaker 2: come and just clack them onto the keyboard and post
Speaker 2: them and you never know who it was, and you
Speaker 2: didn't really care that you didn't know who it was.
Speaker 2: You know, we're all using screen names. Anyways, nobody was
Speaker 2: looking for internet clout really, especially back at that point
Speaker 2: in time, you know. So, uh, there was just something other.
Speaker 2: There was a novelty to it, and it really encapsulated
Speaker 2: that sort of Old West feel, especially back in the
Speaker 2: early days.
Speaker 1: And well, speaking of Guy Fox and epic fail Guy,
Speaker 1: there is that movie V for Bendetta, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about that in a second. But so the
Speaker 1: year is sixteen oh five. Remember remember the fifth of
Speaker 1: November they say in that movie, and it is all
Speaker 1: about the gunpowder plot. So every year the British celebrate
Speaker 1: Guy Fox Night or Bonfire Night, and this is where
Speaker 1: thousands of peace people come to watch the ritual burning
Speaker 1: of Guy Fox, right, and so they have the body
Speaker 1: of the condemned. He's usually prepared by local children who
Speaker 1: will stay with the man, offering him comfort in his
Speaker 1: final hours, and then cheer on when he is consumed
Speaker 1: in the flames of effigy. Because he is the original Trader, right,
Speaker 1: not the original one, but like an archetype of Trader's
Speaker 1: actions against the government. Right, So short story tittled her.
Speaker 1: This guy was caught red handed trying to blow up
Speaker 1: the King of England and the House of Parliament. Right.
Speaker 1: So it was King James the first to be exact,
Speaker 1: who would go on to publish the Bible, right, the
Speaker 1: English version of the Bible. And this is such a
Speaker 1: crazy story because here we have a battle between Protestants
Speaker 1: and Catholics going on in England at this time, and
Speaker 1: King James's mother was Mary, Queen of Scott's, who is
Speaker 1: the Catholic and he's trying to walk this line between
Speaker 1: pleasing the Catholics and the Protestants, right, so he outlaws Catholicism.
Speaker 1: Fifteen of his predecessors had been killed, including his own
Speaker 1: father who was murdered with gunpowders, so he was very
Speaker 1: on edge about being assassinated already, right, King James was.
Speaker 1: So he had a spy master, just like Queen Elizabeth
Speaker 1: the first who we get John Dee from one of
Speaker 1: the spy archetype you know, double O seven right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So King James had the spy master named Robert Cecil.
Speaker 1: And this ties into the Epstein stuff too, because Jeffrey
Speaker 1: was massat, he was a spy and he was I
Speaker 1: don't like, it's like, I don't care what side you're on.
Speaker 1: It seems like now it's like the kid diddlers against
Speaker 1: everyone else, don't you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it seems like there are these various sects
Speaker 2: and secret societies and disgusting black magic, you know, sex people,
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff going on, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's there seems to be that they all have tentacles
Speaker 2: that reach out to various financiers, various intelligence agencies, various
Speaker 2: political bodies, and geos, I mean pretty much anything they need.
Speaker 2: You know, just imagine the Blowfelds of the world and
Speaker 2: all the you know, little satellites that orbit around them
Speaker 2: that you know, make them able to be these sort
Speaker 2: of you know, let's face it, super villainous inhuman uh,
Speaker 2: you know, disgusting, kleptocrat, you know, cult people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, totally just evil creatures.
Speaker 2: So and they almost kill it. They almost worked. From
Speaker 2: my understanding, you know six, you know, five's a long
Speaker 2: time ago, and there's a lot of you're indicating there's
Speaker 2: a lot of propaganda pile on top of it, which
Speaker 2: there was, and it's kind of reversed in the movie,
Speaker 2: which is interesting. But I mean, they had the gunpowder
Speaker 2: barrels all under the House of Parliament, I mean, and
Speaker 2: someone ratted them out. So I'm not sure who ratted
Speaker 2: them out or what the situation was there, but from
Speaker 2: what I can tell, they received information, probably from the
Speaker 2: spymaster that you were just talking about, and it destroyed
Speaker 2: the plot. But it's like they had the explosives there.
Speaker 2: They were, Yeah, they were close.
Speaker 1: Well it's a funny story because so you have these
Speaker 1: Catholic zelots who are against King James, and the ring
Speaker 1: leader his name was Robert Catesby, and they had four henchmen,
Speaker 1: two guys named Thomas John and Guy Fowx was the
Speaker 1: fourth one, right, And they met at this club to
Speaker 1: plan the bombing and they were going to kidnap King
Speaker 1: James's daughter, who was a nine year old girl and
Speaker 1: turn her into a Catholic queen, like kind of a
Speaker 1: puppet queen for them. They accumulate thirty six barrels of
Speaker 1: gunpowder and they literally rented the cellar directly under the
Speaker 1: House of Parliament because they were like, how are we
Speaker 1: going to set this up? And they're like, I know,
Speaker 1: let's just rent the space underneath. So they did. They
Speaker 1: leased it out, They got all the gunpowder in there
Speaker 1: beneath the House of Lords, and then the event was
Speaker 1: supposed to happen in like may or something, but it
Speaker 1: was postponed till November due to play. So they have
Speaker 1: to sit, literally sit on these powder kegs for months
Speaker 1: at a time. And this is where the plot starts
Speaker 1: to unravel because in the meantime, they're starting to get
Speaker 1: cold feet, they're starting to their conscience is like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't blow up a bunch of innocent people.
Speaker 2: Didn't have a nine year old.
Speaker 1: Right, They're like, we could be discovered at any moment.
Speaker 1: So by this time the co conspirators had grown to
Speaker 1: like around thirteen people, and one of them cracked and
Speaker 1: warned a friend who was a baron. So they sent
Speaker 1: the baron a letter warning him not to attend the
Speaker 1: parliament meeting on November fifth, and so word quickly got
Speaker 1: back to King James. They searched the building and they
Speaker 1: found guy Fox down there underneath, chilling with all of
Speaker 1: the gunpowder.
Speaker 2: All the gunpowder, right, He's just.
Speaker 1: Sitting there and he was like, I'm just an employee
Speaker 1: and this seller was rented by my master, a guy
Speaker 1: named Thomas Percy. And they're like, oh, that guy, that's
Speaker 1: a crazy caf the Zealot, and so they're like looking
Speaker 1: into this more. He's a known agitator. They come back
Speaker 1: to question guy again. He proceeds to tell them that
Speaker 1: his name is John Johnson. So it's like, what is
Speaker 1: over that they searched him. They found these kind of
Speaker 1: like long matches that are meant to ignite trails of gunpowder.
Speaker 2: And then find six long daggers. I don't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 2: always wondered when I watched that movie the first time,
Speaker 2: like how much of this guy's personality was actually real,
Speaker 2: like the actions of the main character in the movie?
Speaker 1: Right? V Right? So they got Guy, the other guys,
Speaker 1: Katsby and the others. They fled the city. They raided
Speaker 1: a castle on the way and they hit out with
Speaker 1: their guns and their powder in a safe house. But
Speaker 1: the gunpowder that they had robbed was all wet, so
Speaker 1: they couldn't use it, so they stuck it in front
Speaker 1: of a fire.
Speaker 4: Oh dot dot, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They boomed themselves and so they were wounded, they were
Speaker 1: blown up, and then the next day, like two hundred
Speaker 1: kingsmen tracked him down and finished them off. So meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Tower of London they've got. You know, guy Fox,
Speaker 1: he had not given up his co conspirators, good old Chad,
Speaker 1: guy Fox. He was doing good under torture. He was
Speaker 1: being belligerent, he was in high spirits. But after two
Speaker 1: days he was sentenced to hang and be drawn and quartered,
Speaker 1: which is not the funnest thing to get, but he
Speaker 1: actually dead ass. He jumps off the scaffolding and breaks
Speaker 1: his own neck because drawn and quartered they hang you first,
Speaker 1: and then they not until you're dead. They just hang
Speaker 1: you right and harangue you, and then they take you
Speaker 1: out and they cut your guts out and they cut
Speaker 1: you into pieces. So he's like, I'm not having that.
Speaker 1: So he just jumped off and broke his own neck.
Speaker 2: Pretty bad ass if you ask me. But still like,
Speaker 2: oh gosh, you know, when you when you really think
Speaker 2: about it, especially the way that that king James and
Speaker 2: that monarchy took it and you know, kind of twisted it.
Speaker 2: It was almost like we see things like this happen
Speaker 2: now sometimes you know, like for example of what we've
Speaker 2: talked about with and you many times, the Newburgh sting
Speaker 2: or you know, other cases like the ninety three w
Speaker 2: tc UH failed failed bombing attempt, those kind of things
Speaker 2: where it's like the plot is very similar, except in
Speaker 2: some of these cases there is actually a intelligence or
Speaker 2: a law enforcement person in there. You know, many people
Speaker 2: would would say, uh, what's what's the word when they
Speaker 2: entice or want a blanket on the word when in
Speaker 2: trap many people say they're you know, basically doing entrapment
Speaker 2: to get people to become sort of like modern day
Speaker 2: Guy Fawkes type characters and then use the narrative that
Speaker 2: has spun around that event to create policy or you know, uh,
Speaker 2: take away freedoms or liberties or you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: We see this a lot. We have solid evidence of
Speaker 2: that happening, and and now more so and at a
Speaker 2: quicker rate than ever. It's interesting the way, like it's
Speaker 2: kind of like never let a crisis go to that
Speaker 2: saying never let a good crisis go to waste. Like
Speaker 2: if something like that pops up organically, it can be
Speaker 2: used by a monarch or a president, or a media
Speaker 2: system or an NGO system or whatever to twist it
Speaker 2: any way they want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or the entire thing could have just been rotten
Speaker 1: from the beginning because this I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: the word, but this book Big Nine Synthetic Terror Classic.
Speaker 1: On the very last page it talks about the Gunpowder plotters.
Speaker 1: It says a myth since the seventeenth century, the Patsies
Speaker 1: of the Popish plot. So, like we said, it was
Speaker 1: Catholics against Protestant So you've got some fake flag elements
Speaker 1: maybe in here, like crystal knock, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: So it says the Patsy's of the Popish plot of
Speaker 1: November fifth, Guy Fox, the most infamous fog Guy is
Speaker 1: third from the right, and they have this old woodft
Speaker 1: of the guys. Can you see that?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It says Percy was a double agent instigating the plot
Speaker 1: for the Royal Chancellor, Lord Secil. Two thousand and five
Speaker 1: mark the fourth anniversary of the Big Nine and the
Speaker 1: four hundredth anniversary of state Sponsor's false flag TRR or
Speaker 1: synthetic TRR in the English speaking world, Guy Fox Day.
Speaker 1: Even now, few people understand the plot guy was no
Speaker 1: Fox but a dupe. And stared by the Chief Minister
Speaker 1: himself in a madcap sking to blow up the King
Speaker 1: in parliament. The real plot was royally successful to invest
Speaker 1: a pretext for war with Spain. This fraud was the
Speaker 1: foundation of the British Empire. In eighteen ninety eight, the
Speaker 1: American Century was ushered in by a similar anti Spanish hoax,
Speaker 1: the bombing of the uss Main. So it goes on
Speaker 1: to say, like so many fake trrs and fake flags.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's like at the time England was deeply
Speaker 2: divided between Protestant ruling elite and Catholic minorities basically facing persecution.
Speaker 2: And the Catholics were being fined for not attending Protestant services,
Speaker 2: they were being barred from political power, and they were
Speaker 2: viewed as political or not political, but potential traders due
Speaker 2: to loyalty fears toward Rome. And at the time it's
Speaker 2: my understanding that many had hoped that King James the
Speaker 2: First would ease restrictions when he took the throne a
Speaker 2: couple of years before this, and when he did not,
Speaker 2: he you know, actually things got worse. That was when
Speaker 2: frustration and radicalization grew among some Catholics. But then after
Speaker 2: these events, this monarchy is able to now say, see,
Speaker 2: we told you all Catholics are extreme mists. So does
Speaker 2: this sound familiar? Is this, this chain of events and
Speaker 2: narrative management sounding familiar to everybody?
Speaker 3: Yet?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I know your guys there, but like, what
Speaker 1: does it have to do with Epstein in the files?
Speaker 1: When we're gonna get there, we have so much notes.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to go in chronological order because this
Speaker 1: has to do with Viva Vendetta and Pizzagate. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you've never been there for whatever reason, the origin
Speaker 1: of a good majority of Internet culture started on Fortune.
Speaker 1: I mean, have you heard of rip rolling? Have you
Speaker 1: heard of lolcats? Have you heard of memes? I mean
Speaker 1: that's basically where memes come from? Is this Internet? I
Speaker 1: can has cheeseburger, remember that one? All the old dank
Speaker 1: classic memes.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah? Oh absolutely, Yeah. And there were a lot
Speaker 2: of like crap posting and fishing and trying to create
Speaker 2: trends like they would make like somebody on there, like
Speaker 2: a savvy troll on four Chan would write a blog
Speaker 2: post or somewhere somewhere else and then link it on there,
Speaker 2: and it would be completely fabricated. It would be like, say,
Speaker 2: I recall when we covered on boiler Room where it
Speaker 2: was like, uh, women are what were they doing like
Speaker 2: like something with their menstrul blood, something gross with their
Speaker 2: mentrul blood. And it was like and they said, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a form of protest against you know,
Speaker 2: orange Man or something like that. And then people actually
Speaker 2: started doing it and posting videos of themselves doing it,
Speaker 2: like blue haired liberal chicks and angry Feminazis were like
Speaker 2: doing these things and then posting it, and the you
Speaker 2: know trolls on four chan are laughing about it because
Speaker 2: you know, they made it up, it was fake. But
Speaker 2: then people do it, you know, so so that fuel
Speaker 2: of fire. People started having fun engaging in early cultural
Speaker 2: warfare with you know, unfortunately low IQ people or you know,
Speaker 2: people that are ignorant to what's going on on the site.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up, because it is
Speaker 1: life imitating trolling. It's not even art, right, and this
Speaker 1: goes deeper than just funny prance. It's also about how
Speaker 1: do you say it? See Sam? Is that the way
Speaker 1: to see it now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, see Sam?
Speaker 1: Yep, because that's a big part of it. Unfourtun and
Speaker 1: like I said, it's the crossroads of the Internet. It
Speaker 1: is like the it's the dungeon, it's the base of it.
Speaker 1: It's the right it's like the primordial.
Speaker 2: Back Ali behind the dumpster.
Speaker 1: So this site was launched in two thousand and three
Speaker 1: by a one Christopher Poole who goes by moot so
Speaker 1: he's like the ultimate moderator. He was a fifteen year
Speaker 1: old student from New York City and he had been
Speaker 1: a regular participant on the website Something Awful. Remember that website. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back then we had Something Awful. We had rotten dot com.
Speaker 1: If you were like a weird, curious person trying to
Speaker 1: look at, you know, taboo things, Something Awful was good
Speaker 1: for that. So they had a sub forum called Anime
Speaker 1: Death Tentacle R word whorehouse. Okay, this is where forgen
Speaker 1: came from Something Awful's board called that thing, and he
Speaker 1: copied the Japanese image board format and he invited all
Speaker 1: the Anime Death Tentacle people their members to discuss anime
Speaker 1: manga on his new website called four chan.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, So I imagine the series Ortsuki Doji was
Speaker 2: very popular among these guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, So have you heard of Wiya Boos.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Before there was in cells, there were Wiya boos, and
Speaker 1: this is the home of those guys. So the first
Speaker 1: board was random B. And it's funny because when I joined,
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of I didn't you don't join,
Speaker 1: You just lurk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you're smart.
Speaker 1: When I started lurking. The funniest thing on there was
Speaker 1: long Cat, which was just like some guy holding up
Speaker 1: this cat in the cat.
Speaker 2: Remember long Cat. Yeah, it's like Garfield colored right, like golden.
Speaker 1: So that's how long I've been visiting this place. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't go there anymore for several years because it's
Speaker 1: just so different now. But it was a random board.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be just whatever, but it became super pornographic.
Speaker 1: Other boards were added just to have that, you know,
Speaker 1: so he could keep it in that space, but it
Speaker 1: didn't matter. So the whole website was a mix mixture
Speaker 1: of like cute anime cartoons pornography and cute anime pornography cartoons.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it bred and it bread a whole
Speaker 2: new archetype of American male in particular, yes, one that
Speaker 2: was really not found in the wild before this. You know,
Speaker 2: they they've started in pretty small numbers, and I don't
Speaker 2: think that you could really notice them or pick out
Speaker 2: why they're different. But the mindset of especially of the
Speaker 2: people that would post there and obsessively, you know, engage
Speaker 2: with everything, new creature, a new type of human.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, I'm so glad you said that, because the
Speaker 1: boys that hung out there, you could definitely tell they
Speaker 1: were being turned into something that was not normative, right.
Speaker 2: Because you got really nudging right early cybernetic nudging.
Speaker 1: Yes, you've got hentaie there, you got yaoi. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to say it, but it was like,
Speaker 1: it's boy love. So it's gay anime corn, it's anime
Speaker 1: and manga corn, it's lolli con. I'm sorry if you
Speaker 1: guys haven't heard of these words.
Speaker 2: But that's don't look them up if you haven't heard them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's Japanese anime see sam Right. And they
Speaker 1: were actually taken down for real CP in two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, but they were let back on. So they
Speaker 1: eventually expanded to video games, music, conspiracy, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: this is where I found conspiracies. So this is where
Speaker 1: I first heard of Alex Jones. That's where I first
Speaker 1: saw the video of him like going to BOHEMI grow.
Speaker 1: This is where I first heard of Jordan Maxwell, Michael Desyrian,
Speaker 1: all of the like super classic conspiracy guys of the o's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're finding like Jeff France and Project Camelot.
Speaker 5: And exactly Project Camelot, Harky Cassidy Freemen, who else, Like
Speaker 5: they were all being They weren't on there.
Speaker 1: It was other people posting their.
Speaker 2: Work, right. They just had those little like remember the
Speaker 2: real player. They just had a little real player somewhere
Speaker 2: with like the audio of stuff they said. And it
Speaker 2: was before we even called it a podcast. It was
Speaker 2: just like a real player file. I guess I don't
Speaker 2: even remember what we called that kind of interview.
Speaker 1: Back then, there was no YouTube. There was just Google video, right.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, And it wasn't super useful or helpful.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I watched all of the what were those
Speaker 1: Prophecy Club, the Christian conspiracy guys of the nineties. So
Speaker 1: much was coming out of this place, and it's funny
Speaker 1: that when you go there. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: still like this, but they used to have a quote
Speaker 1: at the very top and it would say the stories
Speaker 1: and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Speaker 1: Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of like their motto, right, It's.
Speaker 2: Like starting an episode of South Park. It's just like nobody.
Speaker 1: Should watch this, Yes, it should not be viewed by anyone.
Speaker 1: So since the beginning, they've been irreverent, they've been offensive,
Speaker 1: they've been nihilistic. They've because they're anonymous, because you could
Speaker 1: just say whatever, And that attitude now has spilled over
Speaker 1: into mainstream social media where everybody's just like a sassy
Speaker 1: like clap back.
Speaker 2: And they may not even be anonymized, like a lot
Speaker 2: of people just doing that under their own name.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, it's so normal
Speaker 1: that you just like you say that on X, Like
Speaker 1: you just have this confidence to cut down anybody that
Speaker 1: you've never met.
Speaker 2: Right, like in a way that you would probably in
Speaker 2: many cases not do if you're standing face to face
Speaker 2: with that person.
Speaker 1: Oh heck, no no way. So to them, it was
Speaker 1: like nothing matters except for the entertainment of trolling and
Speaker 1: doing it for the lulls, right, there's no consequences on
Speaker 1: there for the Sea Sam, There's no consequence for racism,
Speaker 1: there's no consequence for misogyny or like our word jokes
Speaker 1: anything like that. So the hyperbolic nature of mainstream reports
Speaker 1: when they were starting to come out into the world,
Speaker 1: like Fox News called them Internet hate machine. Yeah, cotters
Speaker 1: on steroids, right, But it just fueled them because they
Speaker 1: saw themselves reflected in mainstream culture. Now now they're out
Speaker 1: of the basement, out of mom's basement and they're on
Speaker 1: Fox News, They're like, oh, Anonymous made it, that's me,
Speaker 1: that's us. Right. So this is where we even get
Speaker 1: the concept of trolling in the first place.
Speaker 2: Right. I remember when Anonymous first showed up at least
Speaker 2: at least hit my radar. I think it was like
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. And like many you know, new Internet phenomena
Speaker 2: or personalities, in this case, it's not really a personality,
Speaker 2: but you know, you'll still see this with modern Internet personalities, influencers, ambassadors,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. It's like when they first hit
Speaker 2: the ground, super polished, and it's saying things that are
Speaker 2: easy to resonate with, easy to bring in a large
Speaker 2: audience with, and you know, full of ideas, you know,
Speaker 2: actionable ideas. Which does that even more. And I remember
Speaker 2: for the first year, a year and a half, two years,
Speaker 2: much like you know, I could say the same for
Speaker 2: like Project Veritas, for example. It's like when that thing starts,
Speaker 2: you know, the first few years, it's just like banger, banger, Wow,
Speaker 2: that's great, oh amazing, you know, great work or great
Speaker 2: presentation or thought inspiring or you know, easy to latch onto,
Speaker 2: good conversation starter, that kind of thing. But then something
Speaker 2: changes or an event happens, and the personality or in
Speaker 2: this case anonymous what do we call it, an organization,
Speaker 2: an idea, Yeah, all of a sudden they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, take your jabs and wear your masks or
Speaker 2: something like that. You know, an event will happen, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they'll just say something that just
Speaker 2: turns off like three quarters of their audience, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden they're like like a dog with a bone.
Speaker 2: On that topic, we see this a lot, and I
Speaker 2: think oftentimes that's a sign of a group that's compromised
Speaker 2: or a person that's compromised. But it's very difficult to tell.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into that because we have
Speaker 1: seen in this new file dump that they are compromised.
Speaker 2: Big time.
Speaker 1: Because right around the time that four Chan was like
Speaker 1: taking off in the two thousand and five V for
Speaker 1: Vendetta comes out right and he is like the mask
Speaker 1: character who resonated with the anonymous anti establishment ethos because
Speaker 1: we were all young, we were all like, uh, the
Speaker 1: Internet's going to free up so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, f the system, We're taking over this town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, open source everything, whatever, and so unless where was
Speaker 1: I gonna go with that? Yeah, so their anti establishment
Speaker 1: they take after v Well, let's just talk about the
Speaker 1: movie for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first thing I want to mention about the movie
Speaker 2: is it's based on a graphic novel by British writer
Speaker 2: Alan Moore. Talked about Alan Moore a couple of times
Speaker 2: in the past. He's sort of the the Gandolf of
Speaker 2: graphic novels, if you will, not just because he looks
Speaker 2: that way, but he's a really good writer, and he's
Speaker 2: able to take things based you know, oftentimes based on
Speaker 2: historical events and and tweak them, you know, to his
Speaker 2: own sort of. I don't know. He's he's very he's
Speaker 2: a guy that's into magic. He's a guy that knows
Speaker 2: a lot about Crowley he's you know, he's that kind
Speaker 2: of guy. He's a guy who's really into esoterics. So
Speaker 2: I think that in and of itself, combined with the
Speaker 2: fact that he's you know, taking the concept of you know,
Speaker 2: fake flag operations and propaganda from the seventeenth century and
Speaker 2: presenting it in sort of a unknown time period. I
Speaker 2: don't really know, as it's hard to say like when
Speaker 2: V for Vendetta takes place, but they have modern blocks
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because it's set in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, okay, so that is kind of weird, right,
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty, the year that like everybody experienced a
Speaker 2: lot of loss of you know, freedom of movement, freedom
Speaker 2: of you know, choice, medical procedures and such.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's written before two thousand and five by
Speaker 1: Alan Moore, like you said, who's a cabalist magician. He
Speaker 1: also wrote Watchman, which is pretty prophetic. And actually Jay
Speaker 1: did a really good chapter in Esoteric Hollywood two about
Speaker 1: V for Vendetta, and in that book he says the
Speaker 1: movie is about a sophisticated managed dialectics and ritual psychodrama
Speaker 1: that deludes the rebellious young pop mind into thinking it
Speaker 1: as part of an anti establishment v mask movement known
Speaker 1: as anarchism. Anarchism is chaos magic intent on releasing the
Speaker 1: forces of a destruction under a self deluded belief in
Speaker 1: engineering a mass dark night of the soul to create
Speaker 1: the new man, which is the true liberty.
Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me of This might sound way out
Speaker 2: of left field, but it reminds me of snow Piercer
Speaker 2: in the sense that they at the front of the
Speaker 2: engine where they do the social engineering and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, where the you know, the engineer, the
Speaker 2: oligarch lives. They know there are rebellions happening. They're allowing
Speaker 2: rebellions to happen so that they can call parts of
Speaker 2: the herd, so that they can institute new you know, procedures,
Speaker 2: new policies, so that they can consolidate resources. Like this
Speaker 2: is the way oligarchs and technocrats think. They think in
Speaker 2: one hundred year chunks, fifty year chunks, thirty year chunks,
Speaker 2: and and they set goals. And that's what the CFR is,
Speaker 2: that's what Davos is, that's what the World Economic Forum is,
Speaker 2: That's arguably what the UN has been at certain points
Speaker 2: it's just a star chamber of you know, culture creators
Speaker 2: and technocrats and ghoule people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm so glad you mentioned technocracy because that's
Speaker 1: the end of the show and that's where we're seeing
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein steering all of this stuff. Even though we
Speaker 1: think we're winning or whatever, it's like pallenteers still going
Speaker 1: clink neurally, all of these ai and you know, man
Speaker 1: made horrors beyond comprehension are full steam ahead, right.
Speaker 2: All steam To talk about that later too, like how
Speaker 2: much money goes into that, what those initiatives are called.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, so real.
Speaker 1: Quick about anarchism, because this is what four chan is about.
Speaker 1: Because it's anonymous, it's anarchy. It is well Jason in
Speaker 1: his book, he says it's the fullest manifestation of Jacobin
Speaker 1: Lady Liberty. The real Mastonic mistagogy is that vs. Lucifer,
Speaker 1: who initiates Eve into the cult of liberty. Right, if
Speaker 1: you guys think liberty is like this great thing, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do a talk about from Rome to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Where we go into where does that idea really come from?
Speaker 1: In the Phrygian liberty cap and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 1: just a little trailer for later. But the plot of
Speaker 1: V for Vendetta revolves around a pharmaceutical company and a
Speaker 1: political elite that have staged a bio release to gain
Speaker 1: political power. Do you remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we started watching the movie before I came
Speaker 2: on the show here, and I was just like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, I've seen this movie enough times. I've read
Speaker 2: the graphic novel. I have it, you know, it's in
Speaker 2: the It's in one of my book boxes. Buttering everything
Speaker 2: that has happened in the last six years since I've
Speaker 2: seen it last maybe eight years since I've seen it last,
Speaker 2: it's got like there's something something about Alan Moore, like
Speaker 2: he really knew how to sort of take what has
Speaker 2: happened before and repurpose it for what's about to happen again.
Speaker 2: Now he's able to really show that sixteen oh five
Speaker 2: cycle happening in contemporary time.
Speaker 1: So V is this like he's a ruse of managed
Speaker 1: anti establishment rebellion that plays right into the hands of
Speaker 1: the establishment, right like Guy fowkex epic fil Guy. And
Speaker 1: He's he's also this like he's like managed faux rebellion
Speaker 1: in the midst of an alchemical transformation, which we see
Speaker 1: in ev who goes from just a naive anybody, any
Speaker 1: girl to a soldier in this army because she went
Speaker 1: through this mk Ultra trauma based programming.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, she spent all this time, you know, isolated
Speaker 2: essentially just all the tropes you could think of about
Speaker 2: occult about mk ultra, about he said, trauma based mind control,
Speaker 2: you know, being having Stockholm syndrome. I mean, all the
Speaker 2: different psychological things that you could think of for a
Speaker 2: case like that apply here. And yeah, it shows in
Speaker 2: that she goes from basically the disrespected coffee gopher TV
Speaker 2: station to you know, a militant soldier all of you know,
Speaker 2: ninety pounds soaking wet or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so she is just working at this network where
Speaker 1: Britain in the movie is under a totalitarian government called
Speaker 1: norse Fire. Had I had to look that up because
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was called. But norse Fire
Speaker 1: is this like neo fascist, white supremacist group who gained
Speaker 1: power for promising restoration after a nuclear war between US
Speaker 1: and Soviet Union decimates the earth. Is this sounding weird?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the beginning of the movie, they have the
Speaker 2: like you know, Alex Jones type character or Sean Hannity
Speaker 2: type character who's broadcasting, you know, just talking about how
Speaker 2: terrible the country formerly known as the United States. So
Speaker 2: he's indicating that, you know, the United States is in
Speaker 2: a bad situation. It does sound like there's you know,
Speaker 2: a nuclear fallout situation. They're sending tobacco and grain to
Speaker 2: to London as a show of goodwill, and he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, tea party at throat in the water. We
Speaker 2: don't need the you know, crappy goods from the you know,
Speaker 2: sphincter of the world. So America is clearly fallen at
Speaker 2: this point, and Britain is in a major technocratic totalitarian state.
Speaker 1: Yes, very much like nineteen eighty four the igry, and
Speaker 1: that looks like that. And the party is like some
Speaker 1: kind of Christian nationalist party in public, but privately, the
Speaker 1: high ranking members get away with the usual, the sex scandals,
Speaker 1: the drug use, the r words, the child abuse.
Speaker 2: Being a murder, and you know, taking out political opponents,
Speaker 2: telling people to put everybody's on curfew, you can't go
Speaker 2: outside after nine pm, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So they're completely corrupt. And even in the scene where
Speaker 1: Evie has to dress up like a little girl to
Speaker 1: seduce one of the higher ups. Right. Oh ironically this
Speaker 1: is funny too because v is also an archetype for
Speaker 1: your like Reddit Fedora atheist anti establishment guy.
Speaker 2: He is, yeah, definitely right.
Speaker 4: He's very verbose, these hawks like that they wear the fedora,
Speaker 4: So he is some kind of archetype for both the
Speaker 4: left on Reddit and the like we're all right on
Speaker 4: board him, m hmm.
Speaker 2: Which is interesting also because in internet current Internet culture
Speaker 2: or Internet culture of the like, you know, last eleven years.
Speaker 2: Guy Fawkes first, like we said, came up with Anonymous
Speaker 2: and it was you know, sort of the symbol of anonymous,
Speaker 2: which you know, if you've been living under a rock
Speaker 2: or didn't know, is basically a un a decentralized hacker
Speaker 2: group who does activism over hacking, right, So that was
Speaker 2: sort of their thing, and they would threaten governments and
Speaker 2: you know say hey, we're gonna you know, doxs you
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you know, there was some some good
Speaker 2: events in the early days, but later it's like the
Speaker 2: Guy Fox mask. Now you can donna Guy Fox mask
Speaker 2: if you're an Antifa, if you're you know, some other
Speaker 2: kind of hacker, like it pretty much can go on
Speaker 2: anybody now or like the Daily Shooter program. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it used to just be this kind of person,
Speaker 2: but now just you know, choose your own adventure. We
Speaker 2: got a flavor for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a container for all of your like
Speaker 1: anti established what is it called rebellion? Yes, so everyone's
Speaker 1: rebellion is co opted. Yeah. And then the movie the
Speaker 1: former United States, they call it is like it's cooked
Speaker 1: because it's considered to be in judgment for their liberalism.
Speaker 1: They blame the US for creating this plague, when we
Speaker 1: find out it was actually the British government with the
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical company trying to make money. So it's revealed that
Speaker 1: the Chancellor was involved in research for biological weapons. They
Speaker 1: created a virus and a cure and unleashed it on
Speaker 1: the people to make the pharmaceutical company money with the stabs.
Speaker 1: M G.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a little on the nose at this point
Speaker 2: looking backward. Gee, where have we heard this plot before?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is crazy. So they blame In the movie,
Speaker 1: they blame the virus on their opponents, calling it Saint
Speaker 1: Mary's virus and saying that Christian extremists created the virus.
Speaker 1: So we're getting layers and layers and layers of espionage, religion, zelotry, deception,
Speaker 1: all of this stuff exactly what we're seeing now. And
Speaker 1: the character v he is this tortured political prisoner who
Speaker 1: became a test subject of the Stabby but they messed
Speaker 1: up and created a villain super soldier.
Speaker 2: Oops, that happens, and he gets.
Speaker 1: His name from the Roman numeral five on his cell door,
Speaker 1: so that's why they call him the.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so mind control gone bad creates supervillain. Supervillain
Speaker 2: uses mind control tactics that were used on him to
Speaker 2: corrupt a girl. Supervillain probably actually still under control of
Speaker 2: the super corrupt government, but no one's going to really
Speaker 2: know that because he's he represents all of a certain mindset. Right, This,
Speaker 2: this crazy like anomaly of a human being that has
Speaker 2: this insane narrative around him, is now supposed to represent
Speaker 2: everybody in that category. And that you can see the
Speaker 2: same thing happening to conservatives now I'll throw a bone
Speaker 2: to the other side. You can see the same thing
Speaker 2: happening to trans people now, right, because we had these
Speaker 2: incidents at these schools, and you know, it's like painting
Speaker 2: is just normalizing painting with a super broad identity politics
Speaker 2: brush like good bad, good bad, you know, just as
Speaker 2: thick as those black lines in the reactions from the
Speaker 2: Epstein files.
Speaker 1: And so he escapes this facility and he's seeking vengeance
Speaker 1: on this corrupt authority by becoming a symbol of anarchy.
Speaker 1: But the anarchy is also bad.
Speaker 2: Right, using violence, also using coercion, also using you know,
Speaker 2: mind controls. So it's like, okay, how do I differentiate
Speaker 2: these It's it becomes the you know, do the means
Speaker 2: justify the ends thing? And you're right back in the
Speaker 2: identity politic dialectic just like right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he learned to torture from his experience, right,
Speaker 1: and he is somehow thinking that he's flipping this and
Speaker 1: curing her of her fear, and he's doing this classic
Speaker 1: love hate monarch mind control programming. And it's weird because
Speaker 1: he shaves her head in two thousand and five, and
Speaker 1: like less than a year and a half later, Britney
Speaker 1: Spears actually goes out and shaves her head, like right, yep,
Speaker 1: So Edie's transformed, Brittany's transformed, v becomes all of us, right,
Speaker 1: So he's like the us against them, the David and
Speaker 1: Goliath who stands against tyranny? And that is what both
Speaker 1: sides say, Social Justice Wires, Antifa, all of these people
Speaker 1: saying we stand against tyranny, and the all right, we
Speaker 1: stand against tyranny, and MAGA conservatives that they're all like
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. And I do always remember remember
Speaker 1: the fifth of November and guess what happened to be
Speaker 1: the date Donald Trump was elected in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 6: Mm?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1: Is it being weird enough for you? Is this stuff?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I.
Speaker 2: Need it so weird that when we hang up, I'm like,
Speaker 2: am I still even on this world? Or am I
Speaker 2: literally out of this world?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, we are blasting off right now? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: because did we even talk about Yes, let's talk about
Speaker 1: gamer Gate.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, because that's that's kind of when four Chan,
Speaker 2: like right after that's when they had to make slash
Speaker 2: pol right.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So October twenty eleven, okay, Jeffrey Epstein meets
Speaker 1: with Moot Christopher Poole and launches the board poll like
Speaker 1: literally that day or within a couple of days of
Speaker 1: meeting with him. And this is the political Board and
Speaker 1: it's supposed to stand for politically incorrect.
Speaker 2: Right, and we don't know these days?
Speaker 1: Right. Oh and also at the same time they launch
Speaker 1: the board, hardcore. You know, you've got to have your
Speaker 1: corn along with your activism.
Speaker 2: Right, got it? Unwind? Right?
Speaker 1: Well, ironically, in twenty nineteen, a report of Jeffrey Epstein's
Speaker 1: death was posted on poll around forty minutes before even
Speaker 1: ABC News got it. And we're gonna talk about Pepe
Speaker 1: in a second, but this is where Pepe starts to
Speaker 1: come into play in to see. Let me show you
Speaker 1: this picture because we already said this. Maxwell was a
Speaker 1: power mod on the Reddit board, our World News and
Speaker 1: other large canmmunities on Reddit. Her father, academic textbook manufacturer
Speaker 1: who's Marxist, critical race theory, feminism, all of that. So
Speaker 1: there's left and right again. Yeah, okay, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to show you this picture of the whole is that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that they made patches of that
Speaker 2: at one point. You can get a patch with the keck.
Speaker 1: So it's an octopus, an evil octopus with a black
Speaker 1: cube in space, uh, with his tentacles all over a
Speaker 1: lollie supposed to represent.
Speaker 2: The Earth planet yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it says nothing is beyond our reach, not
Speaker 1: even the children, is what they're saying with.
Speaker 2: That, right, Yep, I can't verify for the audio listeners,
Speaker 2: that's what it says, nothing is.
Speaker 1: Beyond our reach. And then we have gamer Gate, which
Speaker 1: introduces us to a man called Steve Bannon or you've
Speaker 1: been hearing his name a lot this.
Speaker 2: Week, Yeah, he's been. His name has been getting amplified
Speaker 2: a lot lately.
Speaker 1: So in the alt right nebulous, you've got lots of
Speaker 1: different kinds of people, some good people and some really
Speaker 1: row people, and you've got like weird grifter people too.
Speaker 1: Because this red Pill stuff also plays into this, because
Speaker 1: in October twenty thirteen, the book The Rational Mail was
Speaker 1: published and considered to be the bible of the Red
Speaker 1: Pill by a guy named Rollo Tamassi. And so this
Speaker 1: Rational Mail mixed with the pickup artist stuff was what
Speaker 1: launched red Pill in twenty thirteen, and then gamer Gate
Speaker 1: happened in twenty fourteen. So I'm kind of trying to
Speaker 1: give you guys a timeline of why you hate each
Speaker 1: other and why men hate women and why women can't
Speaker 1: stand men because you're being programmed to literally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're being forced into a dialectic where you have
Speaker 2: to choose between being harsh and hard and angry or
Speaker 2: being dominated and abused. And most people will go for
Speaker 2: being harsh and angry rather than you know, being feeling
Speaker 2: like they're cattle.
Speaker 1: And so if you're a normy, if you're a turbo
Speaker 1: not chronically online person, you probably don't know a lot
Speaker 1: about gamer Gate. But this was very pivotal to the culture,
Speaker 1: especially for young kids. Okay, because we're old and we
Speaker 1: already are set in our life, we like each other.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with men as a class or women,
Speaker 1: but here you have this entire gender war being fomented
Speaker 1: over video games. So, in twenty thirteen, a female game developer,
Speaker 1: and yes she's a they them, she's a Okay, she's
Speaker 1: a lived hard for sure. She developed this game called
Speaker 1: Depression Quest right, and it's based on her own experience
Speaker 1: with the issue. The game received a lot of positive
Speaker 1: reviews in the media, but four Chan hated it, and
Speaker 1: there was this giant backlash from gamers who disliked the
Speaker 1: political intrusions or the wokeness. So this is where you
Speaker 1: start seeing the word woke and anti woke and SJW
Speaker 1: and this girl she was already like they called her
Speaker 1: a low cow. Okay, but he's a gesture that's good
Speaker 1: for a lot of laughs, I guess. But they had
Speaker 1: already been harassing her before she made this game, and
Speaker 1: then after they just like took off. So it was
Speaker 1: this whole thing. She was subjected to several months of harassment,
Speaker 1: including death threats, she had to move. And then you
Speaker 1: have right wing journalist Milo Yanopolis.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's got the tea on everybody.
Speaker 2: Sure does. He's still dumping it all over x this week.
Speaker 1: And he's got receipts. Yes, sometimes his target is somebody
Speaker 1: I don't like, so I'm like.
Speaker 2: Yes, fine, yeah, let's see shot, let's see it.
Speaker 1: I'm like you, okay. But back then he popularized the
Speaker 1: hashtag gamer gate on bright Bar News and it became
Speaker 1: one of the most prominent voices and starting this anti
Speaker 1: feminist movement more broadly. Right, so this harassment of more
Speaker 1: gamer gate targets began and extended to all women, not
Speaker 1: just annoying, lived, hard depressed developers. The overtime we do
Speaker 1: expanded to.
Speaker 2: Include all be very very ideological to the tune of
Speaker 2: like you may not get along with fifty percent of
Speaker 2: the population, right.
Speaker 1: And I remember we did a show a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago where we were talking about this red pill stuff, yep,
Speaker 1: And I told you, if you can give somebody somebody
Speaker 1: to hate, you can take all their money.
Speaker 2: It's the easiest person to take it from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a war against social justice warriors. This
Speaker 1: is where the first term first originated. Actually, and white knights,
Speaker 1: which are men who do not enjoy disparaging women. Yes,
Speaker 1: the enemy.
Speaker 2: Right right, So so a nexus point for the on
Speaker 2: the ground culture war you know, I guess turned into
Speaker 2: on the ground kind of. But again another example of
Speaker 2: something a concept being introduced on the Internet, potentially by
Speaker 2: people like friends of Jeffrey Network and seeing that blossom
Speaker 2: and then cause harm, you know, cause division make gaming
Speaker 2: not fun anymore for a lot of people. And the
Speaker 2: long term harm is that gamer Gate messed up gaming.
Speaker 2: Like now, there are so many games that are not
Speaker 2: good because they feel like they have to have those
Speaker 2: social justice items in there, Like this got doubled and
Speaker 2: tripled and quadrupled down on and it's built into you know,
Speaker 2: first person shooters. There are first person shooter games where
Speaker 2: you can't get like a badass dude character. They're all like,
Speaker 2: you know, a female medic who's you know, fifty five
Speaker 2: or something like that. It's like, why, why is someone's
Speaker 2: grandma wearing a play carrier and carrying them on my game?
Speaker 2: I don't get it, Like I don't want to hear
Speaker 2: women crying in agony in battle when I'm trying to
Speaker 2: play some freakin' Xbox you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: like I want dudes killing dudes the way it used
Speaker 2: to be. Call me, you know, an ist or an
Speaker 2: old guy or whatever, but it's just like the point
Speaker 2: is like this was spawned online. It was, you know,
Speaker 2: all this ire was you know, funneled through four chan
Speaker 2: and the people that are the mods there. Who the
Speaker 2: heck are these people? Well we heard a couple of
Speaker 2: the names. They're in that Friends of Jeffrey circle, and
Speaker 2: so it's.
Speaker 1: Like, would you rather be on the red team Friends
Speaker 1: with Jeffrey or the blue team Friends with Colleen?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Yeah, it's the old South Park. Who you're
Speaker 2: going to vote for? Giant Douche or turn Sandwich?
Speaker 1: I mean, which, so enter Giant Douche. Steve Bannon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who has been blowing up this week because he was
Speaker 1: in a documentary with Epstein. Who And he's trying to
Speaker 1: rehabilitate his reputation after he's been convicted of all of
Speaker 1: these crimes. And so Steve Bannon, former White House Chief
Speaker 1: Strategists and executive chair at Breitbart, where Milo came from.
Speaker 1: He was the CEO of World of Warcraft, the gold
Speaker 1: farming company, so you could buy the spend your money
Speaker 1: in the World of Warcraft and would go to them.
Speaker 1: So he was awesome. Yeah. He was also an advisor
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein, helping him with media training before he
Speaker 1: went to prison. There are also framed photos of Bannon
Speaker 1: in Epstein together in Epstein's New York City house. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't just a business relate. Like these guys were
Speaker 1: besties for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love you guys. I don't have a
Speaker 2: framed picture of me with you guys in the house.
Speaker 2: We've got some Instagram posts up, but I mean, what
Speaker 2: is that. I mean, that's odd.
Speaker 1: Selfies of the two of them together in a full
Speaker 1: length mirror. He's sitting there talking to Epstein at his desk,
Speaker 1: and there's like nasty pictures on the desk, and this
Speaker 1: guy works, he's on rumble Okay, he works with Nick
Speaker 1: Puente's and all of those alt right people. So because
Speaker 1: he figured out that in cells are easily manipulated, that.
Speaker 2: They don't have it because they don't have a voice
Speaker 2: of reason sitting in the house with them, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, there's not that I don't have a
Speaker 2: wife or a girlfriend there to go, Hey, what do
Speaker 2: you what do you mean you're gonna do X y Z.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like these people have rejected everybody,
Speaker 2: self rejected everybody so that they can justify feeling rejected.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, that's a perfect target for a
Speaker 2: psychological operation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who knew sitting in a dark room looking at
Speaker 1: dirty cartoons would make you like not people want to
Speaker 1: hang out.
Speaker 2: With you, right, thought your kid was just in there
Speaker 2: watching or at Suki Dogi And maybe that's okay, but no.
Speaker 1: So Banon viewed these guys, these disaffected male gamers. He
Speaker 1: recognized this was a powerful force that could be mobilized
Speaker 1: to aleg Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: So stupid, reality is so stupid, called them rootless.
Speaker 1: He said they were a monster energy that he could
Speaker 1: harness himself. He called them chronically online ruthless white males
Speaker 1: with monster power against social justice warriors. So first they
Speaker 1: got to go against women with the gamer Gate calling
Speaker 1: women foids.
Speaker 2: It's a void. I missed that one.
Speaker 1: That's like a female android.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fembot sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not even a person, not even a human. You're
Speaker 1: just a void, like less than an NPC.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Roasties, do you hear that one? No? You roast?
Speaker 2: No, I'm this one either.
Speaker 1: Why are you so wholesome? Okay? Uh?
Speaker 2: Roasty is like that's bit roast related.
Speaker 1: You've been to Arby's, Yeah, and you've had like their
Speaker 1: Arby's roast beef sandwich.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know we're headed. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1: Because they think that the more experienced a girl has,
Speaker 1: the worse her parts are going to look.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: That's how you know. These guys have never been in
Speaker 1: the room of the work.
Speaker 2: Let's say, the guys who haven't seen one yet, so apparently.
Speaker 1: Through use they think that it's going to turn out
Speaker 1: to look like an Arby's roasty sandwich.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Wow, I'm so glad I didn't know
Speaker 2: that until now, and I don't know what I'll do
Speaker 2: with it going forward, but.
Speaker 1: It's vernacular on line after Why don't you know this?
Speaker 2: I guess I do protect myself a little bit from
Speaker 2: all the toxicity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they've got their common enemies. They've got which
Speaker 1: is called indoctrination one oh one, M right, And you've
Speaker 1: got these crusades against wokeness. You've got them making fun
Speaker 1: of it, calling it weaponized autism because they're just a collective.
Speaker 1: And it's weird that they're called anonymous because they call
Speaker 1: themselves legion, which is a name for demons in the Bible. Yep, right,
Speaker 1: I'm legion because I have many. So you've got crusades
Speaker 1: against me too, whes all over, the flying whores against Syop.
Speaker 2: It's like spy versus spy, but it's just you know,
Speaker 2: brain deads SYOP versus brain NPC SIOP versus NPC SYOP.
Speaker 1: So you want to squash all of these who are
Speaker 1: trying to come out against, like Harvey Weinstein and the
Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret Scandal and Peter Knigarten, like all of these things.
Speaker 1: Four Chan is there to squash it and say this
Speaker 1: is feminism and you're a roasty. Yeah, every girl is
Speaker 1: a hundred percent honest. I'm not saying that, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying this is way above your head if you're
Speaker 1: just a normal person.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, and you get the most extreme examples,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, to be fair, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of extreme examples. And you know, the many
Speaker 2: of the main tenants in some of the red pill
Speaker 2: community when people were on their way to you know,
Speaker 2: the extreme that they landed at in their worldview are valid,
Speaker 2: you know, but there are things you can protect yourself against.
Speaker 2: There are lessons you can learn from other people's mistakes.
Speaker 2: But that's not really the way it's framed for them.
Speaker 2: The way it's framed for them is basically, you know,
Speaker 2: just your host, you're always at the legal and cultural
Speaker 2: short end of the stick if you want to have
Speaker 2: a relationship. So just don't bother. Just be pissed, yeah,
Speaker 2: and be about it.
Speaker 1: You know, totally black pill, who are these anti woke
Speaker 1: warriors who are against all of this, me too, and
Speaker 1: they're starting the repeal of nineteenth in twenty thirteen, starting
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Peter Teel, Elon Musk, Larry summer
Speaker 1: Steeve and Donald Trump sinking me to and proved laws
Speaker 1: don't apply to rich and powerful people like Epstein, who
Speaker 1: in his emails they say things like women are all weak,
Speaker 1: men are powerful. Powerful men will not be held accountable.
Speaker 1: Epstein was also talking about women after like postmenopause, they
Speaker 1: can just like be thrown into the wood schipper. I
Speaker 1: forget how exactly he said it, but like should they
Speaker 1: be bio fuel or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, the the level of just like disdain for humanity
Speaker 2: and showboating, they're you know, they're they're just the self
Speaker 2: aggrandizing of the kind of anti human hatred that they
Speaker 2: held for other people. I mean, the amount of times
Speaker 2: the word goham was used in the entire dump is insane.
Speaker 2: And now everybody knows that word, and like it used
Speaker 2: to be kind of, you know, especially up until like
Speaker 2: two years ago, it was like not a word many
Speaker 2: people knew, or if they did, they didn't take it
Speaker 2: very seriously. But now, like you know, copies of the
Speaker 2: book where they describe all that stuff are going like
Speaker 2: hotcakes on Amazon because people are like this can't be real,
Speaker 2: Like they can't really be talking about us like this,
Speaker 2: Like they made me watch Schindler's List like five times
Speaker 2: in school, and you guys are talking about us like this,
Speaker 2: like wait a minute, why am I just now here?
Speaker 2: Like so many people are like why am I just
Speaker 2: now hearing this? M?
Speaker 1: And this is crazy too, because it's going to create
Speaker 1: a lot of anti Semitism towards people who don't deserve it,
Speaker 1: that are.
Speaker 2: Just just yeah, right, that is a big a Gaelian
Speaker 2: hole that we have right here, and a thing that
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about before, and a lot of
Speaker 2: us have been wondering, like, okay, it seemed like the
Speaker 2: Overton window for being able to discuss this topic got
Speaker 2: shoved wide open, you know, back when oddly enough, Miloianopolis
Speaker 2: showed up with Alex Jones and Nick Fuenttes right after
Speaker 2: Elon bot X. That's when it became okay to talk
Speaker 2: about this stuff. And am I supposed to not notice that?
Speaker 2: Am I really supposed to not notice that? Like that
Speaker 2: was the biggest like wtf am I looking at? And
Speaker 2: a lot of people just dismissed it, But it was
Speaker 2: like to me, it was like, wait a minute, something
Speaker 2: just shifted here, something big just shifted here all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you know, it used to be like you
Speaker 2: wanted to hear talk like that. You go to like,
Speaker 2: you know, David Duke's channel or something like that, and
Speaker 2: you know, he was just the most hated person on
Speaker 2: the Internet. And now that's like all these people, all
Speaker 2: these people like when they learn a lot of these
Speaker 2: things about how our country interacts with that country, they
Speaker 2: get angry. And it's unfortunately a natural reaction. But there's
Speaker 2: a lot of it right now. And I think you know,
Speaker 2: when that overtime window was forced open for this conversation
Speaker 2: to be had, allowed to be had, if I may,
Speaker 2: it's because there's an end game to it. It's because
Speaker 2: there's a solution coming down the pipe and we're not
Speaker 2: going to be allowed to talk about it at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's going to be horrific if people don't
Speaker 1: overcome these cults that they're being pushed into by the
Speaker 1: algorithm ansthitic hole because you would used to have to
Speaker 1: go to four chan to get your anti semitism, yeah right,
Speaker 1: because that's where it started. I mean the graveler, you
Speaker 1: know that, meaning where he's going like this ye that
Speaker 1: came from four chan twenty years ago or more.
Speaker 2: It's amazing and not how long this has been in
Speaker 2: our little internet zeitgeist and how like under the rug
Speaker 2: it was and now it's just like neon signs everywhere.
Speaker 1: And while speaking of jew stuff, it's they're not even
Speaker 1: their frankest for one, so it's not all Jews. But
Speaker 1: they do mention magic and kabbala in Steve Bannon and
Speaker 1: Epstein interview, and the Zohar is explicitly referenced in the five.
Speaker 1: So we are dealing with black magic here.
Speaker 2: Chaotic another thing people don't want to hear and don't
Speaker 2: want to admit to themselves, like you know, you think
Speaker 2: about the people in your life that are, you know,
Speaker 2: looking for some sort of participation and representation in the system,
Speaker 2: and they just can't accept that this isn't a system
Speaker 2: that has that anymore.
Speaker 1: They're always posting things like this is what they took
Speaker 1: from you. So that's how you get somebody to listen
Speaker 1: to you. You're like, somebody's stealing from you, and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh who, and they tell you, oh, it's the juice,
Speaker 1: it's the this, it's the that, it's the black It's
Speaker 1: like they're always trying to tell disenfranchised young impressionable men
Speaker 1: who don't have a lot of out of the internet
Speaker 1: experience that your life is not the way you want
Speaker 1: it to look like because of these this women, right,
Speaker 1: you know whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's it's speaking to you, right, It's meant
Speaker 2: to say, oh, I resonate with that, this this idea
Speaker 2: is you're echoing how I feel it. You know, my
Speaker 2: worldview clicks with this. But you it's sort of a
Speaker 2: manufactured thing, right, Like, especially when you're young, you know
Speaker 2: something's not right, but it's difficult to put your finger
Speaker 2: on it. It's a rebellion might be required, and you
Speaker 2: have the you know, you want to have the energy
Speaker 2: to be part of that. But how to apply it.
Speaker 2: You're given all these options about how to apply it. Right,
Speaker 2: Go go join antifae, go to a protest, go to college,
Speaker 2: go start a fam you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: there's all these different things you can do that you attract,
Speaker 2: you as a young person or anyone, as an act
Speaker 2: of rebellion against whatever system you think is most oppressive.
Speaker 1: Oh heck, I mean, I'll hear your grievances. I don't
Speaker 1: want to pay taxes, you know, Like, I know stuff
Speaker 1: is wrong, but just sitting in a dark room gooning
Speaker 1: to my little pony.
Speaker 2: You can't let or letting some some person pre date
Speaker 2: on you and say, hey, that's a you should be
Speaker 2: mad about that. You should, you know, you should act
Speaker 2: like it's sixteen oh five. That going on in the background, oh.
Speaker 1: For sure, Which brings us to magic and meme Magic
Speaker 1: and Pepe. Remember Pepe? Oh yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I have my book in here? Yes I do.
Speaker 2: Hah.
Speaker 1: So I used to like Pepe when we first, you know,
Speaker 1: started going to four Chan. I thought he was funny.
Speaker 1: He was just this like, uh, good natured frog. He say,
Speaker 1: feels good.
Speaker 2: Man, right. He reminded me of kind of feelings that
Speaker 2: it feels I used to get when I would read
Speaker 2: Frog and Toad in sixth grade. Frog and Toad was
Speaker 2: so cool, man. I would always get Frog and Toad
Speaker 2: books on book day. There you go, look at that. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's the best right there, Adventures of Frog and Toad.
Speaker 1: I read this all the time. And I do have
Speaker 1: a Pepe in here. I was looking for it, but
Speaker 1: I can't find it. But I don't want to bore
Speaker 1: you guys. So he comes from this two thousand and
Speaker 1: five comic called Boys Club, which is like a reflection
Speaker 1: of slacker life, gamer life snacks. He's a chill character.
Speaker 1: And this was the dawn of like, you know, dank memes,
Speaker 1: and it was the first wave of meme magic, which
Speaker 1: is a real thing. So Pepe gained traction as this
Speaker 1: template for a wide range of emotions and scenarios. And
Speaker 1: you even have like a poo and the other little
Speaker 1: like Pepe lookalikes right right and on four Chan, and
Speaker 1: Internet users began to believe that sharing memes, particularly Pepe memes,
Speaker 1: could influence real world outcomes. So they're past trolling and
Speaker 1: just trying to get like Oprah to say over nine
Speaker 1: thousand and goofy stuff like that, which they did. Now
Speaker 1: they're like kind of harnessing this collective power which they
Speaker 1: do talk about in like Tibetan they call it a
Speaker 1: Gregor's they call them thought forms toulpas. So this is
Speaker 1: what they're going for here. They were toying with the
Speaker 1: idea that memes as a form of collective manifestation or
Speaker 1: digital sorcery, with Pepe as a central figure and symbol
Speaker 1: of a deeper, more chaotic Internet culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, it's it's like symbols, they evolve when when
Speaker 2: it's within meme culture and meme warfare, you've got like
Speaker 2: things can go from a harmless comic to a political
Speaker 2: signal to a cultural totem. They become morale tools, they
Speaker 2: become recruitment signals, they become identity markers. So like, really,
Speaker 2: your memes compress ideology in images, and this is the
Speaker 2: perfect time for ideologies to be compressed into images because
Speaker 2: we live with TikTok brain, we live with ADHD, we
Speaker 2: live with you know, twenty four to seven infinite doom scroll,
Speaker 2: so they have to be able. And it's so strange
Speaker 2: because it's like back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, you know,
Speaker 2: even earlier than that, in the four chan days that
Speaker 2: we're talking about, it was like you knew what this was,
Speaker 2: even if you were just a lurker and appreciator an enjoyer,
Speaker 2: Like you could feel something happening there. This is different,
Speaker 2: you know, just it was like, oh wow, Like just
Speaker 2: a couple of words in an image does so much
Speaker 2: in your brain, whether it you know, tickles confirmation bias
Speaker 2: or makes you think outside the box or something like that.
Speaker 2: But just like in this modern world. We're in now
Speaker 2: twenty first century of social media ideologies compressed into an image.
Speaker 2: I think that is a really strange place to be.
Speaker 2: But it's not that strange if you really think about it,
Speaker 2: because you look back and it's like that, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is sort of one of the tools with which we're
Speaker 2: propaganda'sed now, right, ideologies and images. It's not that different
Speaker 2: from you know, the nineteen forties or something like that,
Speaker 2: when you're just getting the Sunday paper and watching one
Speaker 2: hour of ABC News every night or something like that.
Speaker 2: You're it's the same magic. It's just there's a lot
Speaker 2: it's the same magic, but with Wi Fi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Carl Jung would agree with all of that.
Speaker 1: You know, symbols are one of the most important things
Speaker 1: to our subconscious, So working in this realm is adjacent
Speaker 1: to things like Kabbala and Golden Dawn stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Because kek or Ceku. So you've got pep Beea frog, right,
Speaker 1: and he's becoming this mascot of fourthan and meme magic
Speaker 1: basically right, And they found out that he is a
Speaker 1: primoria doual god in Egyptian mythology, symbolizing the darkness before
Speaker 1: creation or the chaotic void that existed before the universe.
Speaker 1: So now they're Kekeans. They're not just like uh, funny
Speaker 1: four chan trolls anymore.
Speaker 2: See that's that's the evolution right there, from harmless comic
Speaker 2: to the political signal to cultural totem. What you just
Speaker 2: described right there, is it turning into that cultural totem?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I mean even now people would recognize Pepe
Speaker 1: as like a racist or an alt right character right
Speaker 1: when he didn't start out that way, but uh, they
Speaker 1: made him into Kech. Kech from Egypt was androgynous frog
Speaker 1: headed man or serpent headed woman, and he is one
Speaker 1: of the eight gods of the Ogdoad. So I know
Speaker 1: a lot of you don't know Egyptian mythology, but so
Speaker 1: you have the Aniad, which is the nine gods that
Speaker 1: you've probably heard of. Isis Socyrus set those guys, and
Speaker 1: then the eight was the Ogdoad, these primordial creatures. You
Speaker 1: have four snakes and four frogs, which they use in
Speaker 1: practical voodoo, they use the Ogdoad. So four Chan users
Speaker 1: drew these parallels between CAC and the anarchy, the absurdist
Speaker 1: nature of meme culture because it is absurd. You can't
Speaker 1: control it, like you can't pay to go viral. You
Speaker 1: just have to. It just has to happen. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: that's why people buy bot farms because they don't know
Speaker 1: there is no formula. If we knew it, we would
Speaker 1: do it every day. I guess the formula now is
Speaker 1: just being as like a rage baiting as possible. Like
Speaker 1: that's the closest you can get to a organic viral meme.
Speaker 2: Outrage and thirst. That's pretty much all we got.
Speaker 1: So this tech frog headed form and Pepe's image was
Speaker 1: solidified as the symbol of chaos and the randomness of
Speaker 1: online experience. Remember we used to say random all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like.
Speaker 1: People say literally now all the time. Back then we
Speaker 1: say random, that's a random. So Pepe is this avatar
Speaker 1: of meme magic. And then as the mythos grew, Orchan
Speaker 1: began crafting this like digital religion around the magic. And
Speaker 1: they even wrote this thing called the Book of Kek
Speaker 1: which outlines the philosophy of Kech, a subversive humor as
Speaker 1: a spiritual practice and path to enlightenment. Now, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of content creators now are using that subversive
Speaker 1: humor tactic.
Speaker 2: What do you think, mmmm, oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, And
Speaker 2: it's one of the reasons that comedians are all expected
Speaker 2: to talk about politics. Now that's relatively new, and some
Speaker 2: of them don't want to, but really it's all people
Speaker 2: want to hear about.
Speaker 1: And you're probably saying, like, why do I care about
Speaker 1: what a bunch of nerds think about frog on the internet?
Speaker 1: But this comes into our life, like have you heard
Speaker 1: of do They kind of made a lot of changes
Speaker 1: in the three dimensional world. Doge was from four chan.
Speaker 1: He was just a dog that was a funny looking
Speaker 1: shiba enu and we called them doge. And now that
Speaker 1: is some kind of like thing that goes into our government.
Speaker 1: I know they're done now, but this is how memes
Speaker 1: become real.
Speaker 2: Right, and Elon went he made the doge coin right
Speaker 2: before he bought X and just played around, you know,
Speaker 2: made a couple of posts about it, and he's got
Speaker 2: such a huge following that it affected actual finance. People
Speaker 2: made money, people lost money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the meme magic emphasizes the importance of going
Speaker 1: viral and what they called gets. Back then, it was
Speaker 1: like if you posted something, you would get a number,
Speaker 1: like a random number, and they were trying to like
Speaker 1: kind of like roll the dice and see if they
Speaker 1: could get some numerology out of this. So if they
Speaker 1: got like triples at the end, that was something, or
Speaker 1: quads or whatever. So they were taking this as some
Speaker 1: kind of divination the numbers.
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they had all these numeric signs of divine
Speaker 1: favor from Kech right.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like somebody with some Cabala work was
Speaker 2: sitting there as a mod maybe boosting some of these
Speaker 2: or injecting some of these numerology ideas perhaps. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't just maybe.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like mathematician who maybe who like worked
Speaker 1: at MIT or Heart who had a lot of connection
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, someone who might like know some spies or
Speaker 2: some culture creators or you know, maybe maybe some messaging too,
Speaker 2: Like these kind of boards are a great place for
Speaker 2: creepy people to send messages, coded messages to other creepy people.
Speaker 2: Like back in the eighties, people used to do that
Speaker 2: with the classifieds, right, they'd be like, you know, they'd
Speaker 2: set up some sort of code word with someone. Hey,
Speaker 2: when you see this in the Sunday paper, you know,
Speaker 2: X y Z go to the dead drop or whatever. Like,
Speaker 2: I think there's probably a lot of that like signaling
Speaker 2: going on on there for uh, you know, people people
Speaker 2: making money doing stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dog whistles for sure, all right, things that only
Speaker 1: you would recognize if you were in that clue. So
Speaker 1: this meme magic is, yeah, the belief that through their
Speaker 1: viral nature, memes can shape reality by influence events and
Speaker 1: creating seemingly impossible coincidences. So this collective focus on a meme,
Speaker 1: it's repetition and symbolic weight, carries an almost mystical power
Speaker 1: to affect outcomes in the real world. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people think that this led the like lay down
Speaker 1: the runway for Donald Trump, because he was the most
Speaker 1: outrageous candidate, right, he was the most random.
Speaker 2: Right, right, the most political, the most politically incorrect, Like
Speaker 2: all those you know sort of subcategories of chan boards
Speaker 2: match perfectly. And you know, when you think back to
Speaker 2: sort of I guess we're sort of veterans in the
Speaker 2: meme war now, and you think back to the early days,
Speaker 2: it was very politically driven, It was very culture war driven,
Speaker 2: and like events and media snippets and stories and headlines
Speaker 2: and everything was it was almost like they were tailored
Speaker 2: for that, for that place to be, you know, the
Speaker 2: place where things are litigated, where things are, where stories
Speaker 2: are laundered, where you know, trends are born and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So I think I was trying to make
Speaker 2: a point and I don't remember what it was, but
Speaker 2: it's it's just like, wow, this really did seem to
Speaker 2: be like an Internet hate machine that was like nudging
Speaker 2: people right, Like you had people in there that were
Speaker 2: straight up catfishing being a personality that is not who
Speaker 2: they are because they're trying to inject something. You have
Speaker 2: all these other people just lurking and other people trying
Speaker 2: to participate organically and assuming they're in a mostly organic environment.
Speaker 2: But now look at it, like we've so many FEDS
Speaker 2: on there, Like we just saw an article in a
Speaker 2: recent release just a couple of months ago saying it
Speaker 2: was like I don't want to pull the number out
Speaker 2: of my you know what, but it was a crazy
Speaker 2: amount of users that were logging in from like Quantico, Langley,
Speaker 2: places like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a couple like last year they found
Speaker 1: so many IP addresses from Israel posting on Fortune like
Speaker 1: maybe like oh yeah, so yeah, and they elected Donald
Speaker 1: Trump because it was absurd, not because of any because
Speaker 1: this was before Paizagate, Like he was almost elected before
Speaker 1: that came out, and because of Pepe and four chan
Speaker 1: and them trying to shift perception in the course of history,
Speaker 1: and then like, out of this pole board in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen became Kakistan, which was the fictional nation of anti
Speaker 1: normy citizens of meme warriors, anime fandom, meme creations and
Speaker 1: relentless trolling and irreverent political commentary against normies and social
Speaker 1: justice warriors. So they liked Donald because he was frank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was not politically correct.
Speaker 2: And isn't it interesting how to get Trump into the
Speaker 2: you know position the first time? It was like you
Speaker 2: had to have this very punchy, young, sort of angry
Speaker 2: young Christians, sort of like characters right to prop him up.
Speaker 2: He saw that, you know, as illustrated by the whole
Speaker 2: al right experience. And then they, you know, ostensibly to
Speaker 2: many people, steal the election from Donald Trump the second
Speaker 2: time around, and they give us Sleepy Joe or Jim Carrier,
Speaker 2: whoever's wearing that rubber mask no one knows, kidding maybe anyways,
Speaker 2: give us that and they make everybody so mad at
Speaker 2: the you know, the worst leftist policies. You could imagine
Speaker 2: twenty many people of borders lalla. And then throughout that
Speaker 2: particularly between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four, all
Speaker 2: these people shuffle and rearrange their their personality, their politics,
Speaker 2: their religion. You know, this is around the time that
Speaker 2: Tulci Gabbard left the Democrat Party and changed reviews on
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff and started doing podcasts. Around the
Speaker 2: same time, a bunch of people started kind of angling
Speaker 2: and maneuvering, and then you get the you know, the
Speaker 2: rebirth of MAGA after the mid terms in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two kind of got excuse me, got a bit of
Speaker 2: a pepe in my throat. You've got kind of got
Speaker 2: like mainstream conservative like dovetailing with you know, people like me.
Speaker 2: I was doing a show and I had a bunch
Speaker 2: of people from what was going to be the Trump
Speaker 2: administration on my show, and I'm saying stuff to them
Speaker 2: that you know, like a normal dude, like we're doing
Speaker 2: right now, normal dude, normal gal, And it all makes sense,
Speaker 2: and we're all kind of like, you know, driving on
Speaker 2: most things. But then October seven happens and things start
Speaker 2: to split a little bit. It and then he actually
Speaker 2: gets elected again, and this time it's not like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: it's not like that same group of like young gamer
Speaker 2: type people. It's like, you know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you've got the big names. You've got Yeah, you've got
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, You've got Larry Ellison, you got Mirror Madelson,
Speaker 2: you've got you know, all these people on board. And
Speaker 2: it's just like and then the you know, shooting the
Speaker 2: lobe off and all that stuff, and then heals in
Speaker 2: two days, all this crazy stuff happens. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy's getting elected. Yeah, and then and what happened
Speaker 2: to alt right? It's gone, right, like, so the groups
Speaker 2: of people that got him elected the first time shattered, gone,
Speaker 2: personalities totally different. The whole pr like push that was
Speaker 2: behind all those people just disappears that no one talks
Speaker 2: about alright anymore. It's just you know, MAGA, Now, what's
Speaker 2: up with Maga? It's gone. It's not really there anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, it's been splintered into a hundred bazillion pieces
Speaker 2: intentionally as far as I can tell, Like you've got
Speaker 2: the whole you know, JQ, that we're talking about that
Speaker 2: has completely annihilated and fractured it. You've got October seven
Speaker 2: completely annihilated and fractured it. You got what's going on
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, you got what's potentially going on
Speaker 2: in Iran, North Korea, all over the place, Venezuela. We're
Speaker 2: abducting elected leaders from sovereign countries. And it's like it's
Speaker 2: almost like it was so intentional, and all the messaging
Speaker 2: was there for us, you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, this whole crazy chaos magic thing bloom
Speaker 2: around all right people and gamer Gate people and boom,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's here, and you know, everything's cool. Ugly culture
Speaker 2: wars for three and a half years, and then it's
Speaker 2: you know, COVID nineteen eighty four adventure should have been
Speaker 2: enough to get rid of them right then and there.
Speaker 2: But now we do this and the whole build up
Speaker 2: of MAGA, which was like this bigger thing, right, it's
Speaker 2: all these people, people changing sides and stuff. Now none
Speaker 2: of them get along. People are saying that in the midterms,
Speaker 2: the Republicans going to get their butts handed to them,
Speaker 2: and they might, but I think that's the whole point.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point of all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole point of this is technocracy. I mean
Speaker 1: that's the end. Right is just totalitarian like v for Vendetta,
Speaker 1: surveillance state. But so let me play this little video.
Speaker 1: Because these memes were portraying Trump as god emperor, using
Speaker 1: Pepe the Frog as his mascot, and they were widely circulated,
Speaker 1: and then this Kakistanian like the movement flooded the Internet
Speaker 1: with pro Trump, anti Hillary content, and this is where
Speaker 1: you learn how important the youth culture is. With the irreverence,
Speaker 1: the jokes, the irony, the trolling, the absurdity. They love that,
Speaker 1: and they're thinking at the same time they are the
Speaker 1: defenders of free speech because they're going against the Blue team.
Speaker 1: So they have these memes as symbols of resistance and
Speaker 1: tools of political influence. You've got memes featuring Pepe with
Speaker 1: Trump as a heroic or mythic figure, reinforcing his image
Speaker 1: as the outsider or the non corrupt government right who
Speaker 1: promised to what drain the swamp? He says, I'm coming
Speaker 1: from outside. I'm going to drain the swamp. He's some
Speaker 1: kind of like resistance against traditional politics and what they
Speaker 1: call the meme War of twenty sixteen, like because old
Speaker 1: people are not gonna win the meme war. This is
Speaker 1: a young people. This is a chronically online thing. And
Speaker 1: Trump's image became intertwined with the lore of meme magic
Speaker 1: and Trump becoming the anointed candidate of care they called them.
Speaker 1: So let me play this video for you guys while
Speaker 1: you can get a drink if your throat is.
Speaker 3: D Epstein charkboard.
Speaker 6: But in the recent files I found the wider picture
Speaker 6: that shows the full board. All right, class, let's break
Speaker 6: it down. This is a ritual system for social engineering.
Speaker 6: Look at the top distribution. That's the Bell curve population control.
Speaker 6: The goal is to keep most people average, dull and
Speaker 6: easy to manipulate by controlling exactly what they see.
Speaker 3: Now look at the machine code.
Speaker 6: This is Kabbala stuff disguised as math, and objects are
Speaker 6: mathematical objects.
Speaker 1: To them.
Speaker 3: Your data miracles are engineered.
Speaker 6: All the matrix is the cage and the University board
Speaker 6: is the gatekeeper.
Speaker 3: Then you see beauty.
Speaker 6: That's Tifferets from the Tree of Life, weaponized to goal
Speaker 6: tune your identity.
Speaker 3: Now look all the way to the rights. See this
Speaker 3: money sign DT. This is the flow of capital.
Speaker 6: The money sign proves that this is a funded operation
Speaker 6: in elite systems, DARPAtech and psychological warfare.
Speaker 3: DT stands for Digital Twin.
Speaker 6: It's a data driven replica of you, a shadow self
Speaker 6: in AI form used to simulate your behavior. They predict
Speaker 6: your outcomes and run psychological simulations before they ever deploy
Speaker 6: them in the real world. They're not just watching you,
Speaker 6: they're testing your digital twin to see how to break you.
Speaker 6: And look at the code block SB zero zero. That's
Speaker 6: the protocol the s with the T underneath. That's signal tuning.
Speaker 6: They're tuning the signal of your behavior at the base
Speaker 6: labor Round zero, using the digital Twin as the blueprints.
Speaker 6: It all leads to the lab high school recruitment points,
Speaker 6: probably gate programs, psyops and handlers.
Speaker 3: They find you early, mark you as gifted, and tune.
Speaker 6: Your identity into the Digital Twin before you ever hit
Speaker 6: the university board.
Speaker 3: This explains how they run the distribution Rumors.
Speaker 6: Link Glan to Maxwell Hill, the Reddit powerhouse who controlled
Speaker 6: the flow of world news. She was the operator to
Speaker 6: accounts went dark on June thirtieth, twenty twenty, exactly two
Speaker 6: days before she was arrested.
Speaker 3: She was managing the frequency for the machine. Why do
Speaker 3: they do this? Why the rituals?
Speaker 6: Because the people running this board believe they are the
Speaker 6: death alone blood looking.
Speaker 3: To them, humanity is just a resource to be farmed.
Speaker 3: It's not just a science project. It's a genetic destint.
Speaker 6: They're using this formula to install the hybrid God and
Speaker 6: reclaim the throne through transhumanism.
Speaker 3: It's a map for elite tech overlords to mold.
Speaker 6: Identity, hijack perception, and control consciousness.
Speaker 3: It's Kabbala turned into a weapon to install the hybrid God.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that? Your digital twin used
Speaker 1: to my.
Speaker 2: Controy, you, uh, well, I assume that the digital twin
Speaker 2: will be super super helpful at first, and then you
Speaker 2: will realize that you are now obsolete compared to your
Speaker 2: digital twin. I think that's sort of the zoom out,
Speaker 2: like long perspective on where that all heads. And it's
Speaker 2: mind bending, you know, because on the one hand, it's
Speaker 2: just like how But on the other hand, when you
Speaker 2: see what's available right now for you know, free, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can see the potential, but yeah, what would who
Speaker 2: owns your digital twin do I have so many questions.
Speaker 2: Do I own my digital twin? How do I opt
Speaker 2: out of someone creating a digital twin for me in
Speaker 2: the first place? If someone hacks you know, me and
Speaker 2: uses my digital twin to do something that I wouldn't do,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's just like h and
Speaker 2: the idea of like a religion right being created inside
Speaker 2: of a virtual space or an artificial intelligence stack or
Speaker 2: something like that, is a huge red flag for humanity.
Speaker 2: And it's not something that is so out of this world.
Speaker 2: It's not something that is unlikely. In fact, there's a
Speaker 2: AI company right now. I forget what they're called at
Speaker 2: the moment, but they created a fake narrative basically to
Speaker 2: sell their product, to create buzz about their product. And
Speaker 2: their product is an AI agent. You can you know,
Speaker 2: purchase this product and you can manage AI agents to
Speaker 2: do various things and whatnot. And what they what they
Speaker 2: did was they said, hey, we just had one hundred
Speaker 2: and some odd AI agents create their own social media
Speaker 2: network something that looks like Facebook and mold bugs saw
Speaker 2: the story going around X and they created their own religion.
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, oh my god, they created their own religion. Well,
Speaker 2: actually there are people behind all those accounts, and actually,
Speaker 2: from what we can tell, this is all a big
Speaker 2: marketing campaign to generate buzz, which it did, but it
Speaker 2: caused so many people to go, oh skyne just woke
Speaker 2: up and they're creating religions. But they're not just pulling
Speaker 2: that out of their behind. You know, it is a
Speaker 2: goal of technocrats to create a one world religion. And
Speaker 2: now that we're seeing the way that AI is being
Speaker 2: deployed and prioritized by the Davos crowd and you know,
Speaker 2: the CEOs, the light Speeders of the world and all
Speaker 2: those guys, it's not that far out of left field
Speaker 2: to say, yeah, the new one world religion might actually
Speaker 2: be in a virtual space, Like it's more likely it
Speaker 2: will be in a virtual space than a brick and mortar.
Speaker 1: Well, me and Ruckus talked about that book by Jarn
Speaker 1: Lennier about deleting your social media because he worked in
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley and he at the very end of the book,
Speaker 1: like the prologue or the epilogue, was like, oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, all the type people worship AI and they're
Speaker 1: trying to like bring about this like AI religion.
Speaker 7: By the way, sentences yeah, and it fits when you
Speaker 7: look at like Burning Man or the sort of the
Speaker 7: like cultural and social things that are put together by
Speaker 7: some of these types of people.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is straight up magic, a cult,
Speaker 2: sex magic, all kind of creepy stuff going on there.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, as long as we're talking about chaos
Speaker 1: magic and Pepe, we might as well talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: Peter Carroll's book. So if you're about chaos magic, you've
Speaker 1: got Austin Osman's Spare and Peter Carroll and a couple
Speaker 1: others who are the root texts of these ideas. So
Speaker 1: I did actually read Libernal and psychonaut before, and it's like,
Speaker 1: considered this foundational work about chaos magic. So the author
Speaker 1: of Peter Carroll he considers this type of magic the
Speaker 1: direct descendant of shamanism, witchcraft, and sorcery and the Illuminati.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, okay, so.
Speaker 1: Here we've got Illuminati already confirm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they are called the chaos magicians, which the Kekeians
Speaker 1: think they are right with Pepe and Kakistan. They are
Speaker 1: called the Illuminates of Thanataros, after the gods of death,
Speaker 1: Thanatos and sex arrows and the positive and negative methods
Speaker 1: of attaining magical consciousness are sex and death.
Speaker 2: So that's what figure that fits right into what we're
Speaker 2: seeing in these emails, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm glad you mentioned Bernie Man because they
Speaker 1: say that altered states are the keys to unlocking one's
Speaker 1: magical abilities. And half of that book Libernal and psychonaut
Speaker 1: is devoted to black arts. So he says, the illuminates
Speaker 1: of Sanataros are the magical heirs to the zas Key occultists.
Speaker 1: That's aosphares Uh magical working and the AA which is
Speaker 1: the argentium astrom of alstracrole, which was created to channel
Speaker 1: the spirits from serious that they were in contact with.
Speaker 1: Of course, so you've got these chaos magicians. They focus
Speaker 1: on the creation of sigils. Have you ever heard that
Speaker 1: word before? A sigil?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a symbol, right, or like a rune or something.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a unique symbol that you create that represents
Speaker 1: the what you desire, which is like you can write
Speaker 1: out like the sentence like I will be famous, and
Speaker 1: then you take all those words and you take the
Speaker 1: the letters, I mean, you take the vowels out, and
Speaker 1: you take the double letters out and you. So you
Speaker 1: have a string of letters and then you make like
Speaker 1: a picture out of it. Okay, okay, and so you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do this. A corporate logo could be a sigil.
Speaker 2: We see a lot of these actually now where a
Speaker 2: logo will remove prominent vowels or consonants or doubles.
Speaker 1: M So. Methods of charging the sigil involve moments when
Speaker 1: the mind has achieved stillness through magical trance, or when
Speaker 1: high emotions paralyze normal functions, such as times of intense
Speaker 1: emotion or the moment of orgasm.
Speaker 2: So okay, yep, so what are we doing.
Speaker 1: On four chan when we I mean, it's a joke, right,
Speaker 1: you log on to four chan and you un zip
Speaker 1: your pants? Not me, like the the entire places like
Speaker 1: peppered with you know, touching yourself jokes because that's what
Speaker 1: they're doing all alone on the computer all day. So
Speaker 1: parts of this entire culture revolve around touching yourself, which
Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of users openly admit to and boast
Speaker 1: about being addicted to, which they call.
Speaker 2: Fapping for that right right, they're gooning. They got their
Speaker 2: goon cave and they and they're fapping.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, they've even created the concept of no
Speaker 1: fap because some of them could see how it was
Speaker 1: destroying their lives.
Speaker 2: So right, they're like, uh, let's let's promote this addiction
Speaker 2: and then we'll treat it like you know, alcohol, and
Speaker 2: we'll take a month off or something. This is bizarre behavior, right, right.
Speaker 1: So the majority of content that they fab too is perverted.
Speaker 1: It's unnatural. It's cartoons, it's you know, cartoon children, my
Speaker 1: little ponies gore you name it, right. They even have
Speaker 1: it's called rule thirty four. Have you heard that.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Oh, Rule thirty four is if it exists, there is
Speaker 1: corn of it. Oh okay, well, anything you can think of.
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth a Labrador retriever, they can pull it up,
Speaker 1: and the corn exists of anything that you can think of.
Speaker 1: So last, but not.
Speaker 2: Probably not wrong about that, I will give them rule
Speaker 2: thirty four. I guess right.
Speaker 1: Much of the fapping was too lolly Kahn, gross lollly,
Speaker 1: as in Lolita, from the famous book about being sexually
Speaker 1: attracted to children, as in Lolita express.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, any of this sounded familiar, folks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of Jeffrey Epstein. And we are almost at two
Speaker 1: hours and I'm only halfway through my notes, so maybe
Speaker 1: we can do a part two.
Speaker 2: We can do that. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you hanging out with me this whole time
Speaker 1: because we've got a lot to cover. But like so,
Speaker 1: in the next time we get together, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about pizza gauge, Yeah, wiki leads. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about QAnon and trust the Plan. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about twenty twenty the entire year. Okay, I'm a banger.
Speaker 2: I can talk about that all day.
Speaker 1: Talk about Project Stargate in the Rise of the.
Speaker 4: Technocrats, Yeah, Gropers, Ripers.
Speaker 1: And the Golden Age. So that would be the conclusion
Speaker 1: to this show. What do you Okay, we want to
Speaker 1: come back to do it.
Speaker 2: I'm down. I think we did a pretty thorough like
Speaker 2: timeline here, so it was a pretty good an thought
Speaker 2: of you know, me warfare and we're able to kind
Speaker 2: of bob and weave to you know, track it to
Speaker 2: the current events at the same time. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: excited to come back on and finish it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll just go over all twenty twenty. I
Speaker 1: guess we're leaving off around twenty nineteen. Yeah, and before
Speaker 1: we go, I just wanted to mention some random things
Speaker 1: that came out of the files. I'm calling them the Epsty's. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got the Grammys, you know, we've got the Emmys,
Speaker 1: We've got the Super Bowl Emnies, Yeah, the Tony's. These
Speaker 1: are the Epsty's. So Epstein random dishonorable mentions. Number one
Speaker 1: doctor James Dobson a focus on the family. Did you
Speaker 1: know he would be in there?
Speaker 2: Ouchnepp wasn't expecting that one.
Speaker 1: Hey, uh so he is the media folks on the family,
Speaker 1: Christian media empire, because why not? You know?
Speaker 2: A legend sound syllable.
Speaker 1: Epstein would send copies of Dobson's advice on Christian parenting,
Speaker 1: wife Leaf's submission and blind obedience and forgiveness of abusers
Speaker 1: to his victims.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, no surprise there.
Speaker 1: Weird okay. Number two Elon Musk begs to be invited
Speaker 1: to let epic parties. Did you see that one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did catch that one.
Speaker 1: On Little Saint James with girls for the Win. He
Speaker 1: he never got there. He gave Jeffrey and Kalaine the
Speaker 1: ick and they tell him, actually they're thinking of shutting
Speaker 1: down the whole operation. So his aspergers saved him from
Speaker 1: doom in that one.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, good thing. You're projecting lots of ick there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So number three, we've got the harvesting of Mormon
Speaker 1: blood as some sort of weekly payment system for select breeders.
Speaker 1: Did you hear this one?
Speaker 2: No, but I wish I could say I was surprised
Speaker 2: to hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The creation of human sex slaves by biologically turning
Speaker 1: men into women and vice versa, using different formulas across
Speaker 1: the gender spectrum in order to appeal to different elite
Speaker 1: sexual appetites. These are from the emails. These are random
Speaker 1: crackpot FBI tips. Okay, These are like them talking to
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the most disturbing part, just the open discussion
Speaker 2: of some of these things on gmails like what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you want more of that, go look
Speaker 1: at me. And Courtney's show called Space Babies where she
Speaker 1: talks about Epstein and his handle and all of this
Speaker 1: transhumanism and technocracy. So we have mister Evil aka former
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Eud Barak.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: We have the Code snow White, which is the dressing
Speaker 1: up of young children as different Disney characters and sold
Speaker 1: to specific clients.
Speaker 2: Youw gross, what.
Speaker 1: And we've been talking about Disney the whole time, Princess programming,
Speaker 1: all of this.
Speaker 2: Right all over your books. You've covered it a lot.
Speaker 1: We've got a person named the Pizza Monster.
Speaker 2: Like like chat from Weird Science, like the.
Speaker 1: Cookie Monster, but evil. I don't want to laugh because
Speaker 1: this is so bad, but the Pizza Monster, with frequent
Speaker 1: references to how much he loved the taste of pizza
Speaker 1: and craved it so much. You. Yeah, We've got the
Speaker 1: trafficking of homeless and turning them into extreme sexual devians
Speaker 1: through ritualistic abuse so use as agents.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what could go wrong.
Speaker 1: We've got jay Z who deleted his Instagram and fled
Speaker 1: the country, and.
Speaker 2: I heard Beyonce lost like ten million followers after these
Speaker 2: emails came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got the Bill Gates std debucle Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: one right. He was trying to get meds from Epstein
Speaker 1: and surreptitiously give them to his wife.
Speaker 2: Did you see the memes going around of the guy
Speaker 2: with the head exploding, And it was like, what if
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen eighty four was just a scam for Bill
Speaker 2: Gates to get his wife's Samanni biotics.
Speaker 1: Yup, you've got deepop Chopra.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: God is just a construct. He says cute girls are real.
Speaker 1: He was a parody of a guru running cover for
Speaker 1: sex traffickers, guru therapist, wizard who abused his status with women,
Speaker 1: and a charlatan of wu wooh. Yes, and last but not,
Speaker 1: you've got the Dolly Lama who appears one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty nine times. And me and Courtney just got this
Speaker 1: crazy book about the Dali Lama and Tantra, which is
Speaker 1: basically just using women as batteries for power until they
Speaker 1: are drained dry husks and you discard them as you do.
Speaker 1: Oh but that is Buddhism.
Speaker 2: Basically, Oh, Dali Lama going for it. That's creepy. Also, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've noticed Deepak and Dolly Lama taking a lot of
Speaker 2: het lately, and some people who like support them trying
Speaker 2: to you know, make excuses for them too, like it's
Speaker 2: just a bad look right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, thank you so much for spending the evening
Speaker 1: with me, and we'll try and get together again as
Speaker 1: soon as possible and get to all of these other
Speaker 1: topics we didn't get to tonight. But I really appreciate
Speaker 1: you tell everybody where they can find you and spore
Speaker 1: who I haven't forgotten. We're going to do a show
Speaker 1: about reality shows.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's out there watching one right now, getting
Speaker 2: ready for it. Probably it's gonna be awesome. I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to that. Yeah, thanks Jamie. And I feel like
Speaker 2: what ties all of this together is that culture moves first.
Speaker 2: The Internet is where people test ideas and symbols and
Speaker 2: identities before any of it reaches mainstream media or politics,
Speaker 2: and that's one of the things that keeps me coming back.
Speaker 2: I like trying to figure out when these things are
Speaker 2: gonna happen, where they're going to happen ahead of time,
Speaker 2: and if you pay attention to the stories and the
Speaker 2: memes people rally around you, you can usually see where
Speaker 2: society is heading long before it shows up in the headlines.
Speaker 2: So you can tune into us at Alternate Current Radio
Speaker 2: dot com. That's what we try to do there every
Speaker 2: week at Alternate Current Radios read those media tea leaves.
Speaker 2: So Alternate Current Radio dot com is our website. Boiler
Speaker 2: Room is the show one of the shows. We've got
Speaker 2: multiple shows over there, so visit the site for the
Speaker 2: rest of the shows and look forward to coming back
Speaker 2: and joining you to finish this one out here.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks everybody, have a good night, and stay
Speaker 1: safe from pizza monsters.
Speaker 2: Thank you, hushure pizza monsters. We're always joking about. Chat
Speaker 2: from from Weird Science.
Speaker 1: Into a pile of poop at the end.
Speaker 2: Look at this one too. We should probably bring this
Speaker 2: one up next time. But let's throw it on screen
Speaker 2: real quick. Here. Epstein files just got vibe coded into
Speaker 2: a data viz app on replet whatever that is. One
Speaker 2: bro just turned the entire document into an interactive conspiracy web.
Speaker 2: So they made a heat map of like all these
Speaker 2: different names and people associated with the network.
Speaker 1: That's like the conspiracy there's red string.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, here's the best part. This guy, Peter Malcolm
Speaker 2: says at Grock. Using these insights, can you list five
Speaker 2: prominent people who up here is complicit? Look who number
Speaker 2: one is? Elon Musk. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew,
Speaker 2: Richard Branson and Howard Lutnik. But like Elon's pet AI
Speaker 2: is like put him in the number one spot.
Speaker 1: He is lucky that they did not like him.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yep, no doubt. Yeah, all right, So let.
Speaker 1: Me see, are you pretty busy this week?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: To let me think Friday's kind of busy. Saturday and
Speaker 2: Sunday are sort of up in the air. So I
Speaker 2: would say next week probably better than this week, just
Speaker 2: in case.
Speaker 1: Let me see if we because we're supposed to go
Speaker 1: to Timpoole on the twenty third. If I can't do
Speaker 1: it on the eighteenth, it'll have to be the first
Speaker 1: week of March. Is that okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be fine. Let's see, there's a chance
Speaker 2: I could do it tomorrow. I just don't want to
Speaker 2: leave you with a maybe.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't do it tomorrow, Can you do
Speaker 1: it a week from today on Wednesday?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I think so Wednesday the eighteenth, Yeah, same time.
Speaker 2: Sure, very good, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: That was really fun. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun. Thanks