Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to game Breaking News with me Jeff
Speaker 1: Grub your host from giant bomb dot com, and my
Speaker 1: name is not coldl Walk. Thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 1: In this episode, we're gonna be talking about companies getting
Speaker 1: ready for summer game Fest and ease titan Fall really
Speaker 1: returning this time. We'll see it's gonna be a good one,
Speaker 1: and we have Jason Fonelli on the show. Jason, how
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 2: I am treading water, but no, I'm doing I'm doing
Speaker 2: all right. Everything's fine.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We're just keeping our heads above above water as best
Speaker 2: we can. Seeing the news titles, the news cycles choose
Speaker 2: us up and spits us out. But we're doing good.
Speaker 2: Everything's great, having a good time before we get started,
Speaker 2: if you don't mind, which would like to show some
Speaker 2: appreciation to a member of the community. I gotta I
Speaker 2: gotta DM Jen. Jen the man Ochoa slid into my
Speaker 2: DMS yesterday or Monday, excuse me two days ago telling
Speaker 2: me about an email that hit the BombCast email address,
Speaker 2: and I just want to read this. It says, just
Speaker 2: want to say that I've really enjoyed Jason Finelli being
Speaker 2: featured on some Giant bomb content as of late, I've
Speaker 2: never heard of him before a game mess morning appearance
Speaker 2: and became a fan instantly. Just want to send some
Speaker 2: positive vibes and feedback to the whole crew and Jason
Speaker 2: in particular, loving the content, and big ups to the
Speaker 2: crew for keeping me entertained throughout the week. I need
Speaker 2: you to know whoever wrote that email, how absolutely touched
Speaker 2: I was to see that. That is people love amazing,
Speaker 2: Whoever whoever sent that, how.
Speaker 1: Everyone the community feels though. I get that message all
Speaker 1: the time about you specifically, people love you. You fit
Speaker 1: in great. I love having you on the show for sure,
Speaker 1: So I'm glad someone stepped up and said it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just wanted to make sure that the Internet
Speaker 2: spends way too much time negatively reacting to things, So
Speaker 2: the fact that I got a positive reaction that warrants
Speaker 2: its own positive reaction, I had to had to make
Speaker 2: sure I took care of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's and that's good. Like he go
Speaker 1: out there and tell somebody you like some of their
Speaker 1: stuff this week, let's get like that going again a
Speaker 1: little bit. There's not much else we could trade on
Speaker 1: these days, so let's let's do some of that I'll
Speaker 1: do that myself. I'll get out there and tell some
Speaker 1: people who's stuff I enjoy that I'm down with them.
Speaker 1: Always a good thing, Yeah, that I have with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean got the news is like I've been trying
Speaker 1: to keep up with it, and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't try to keep up with it. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's not doing me any good. But I saw like
Speaker 1: US treasury bonds, right, I'm like, wait, my understanding is
Speaker 1: in moments like this, where people are expecting inflation and
Speaker 1: they're expecting a weak economy all these other things, typically
Speaker 1: these treasury bonds become they go high and demand, and
Speaker 1: what's happening right now is that they're not and that
Speaker 1: the interest rates on them are shooting up, so like
Speaker 1: mortgage rates are going to go up all this other stuff,
Speaker 1: which doesn't make any sense with everything else that's happening.
Speaker 1: And seemingly the reason is all the countries that we
Speaker 1: do business with, right they buy, they or they sell
Speaker 1: stuff in this country, and we've started a trade war
Speaker 1: with them, and now they so what they traditionally do
Speaker 1: is they have all these dollars that they get and
Speaker 1: they don't transfer all of that into their home currency.
Speaker 1: A lot of times they take a bulk of that
Speaker 1: money and they buy US Treasury bonds. So it's like,
Speaker 1: we can use these dollars and we can invest it,
Speaker 1: and we can get paid back by the United States.
Speaker 1: It's one of the safest havens for our money going forward. Well,
Speaker 1: now the industry keeps going up because no one seems
Speaker 1: to want these things, even though the stock market is
Speaker 1: in shambles. So the sign there is like, oh, these
Speaker 1: things are splitting apart in a way where something's going
Speaker 1: to break. Because if people no longer see the United
Speaker 1: States bonds as a safe haven, what do people do next?
Speaker 1: Or what is this country next? Really, it sounds like
Speaker 1: these other countries are selling off all of their bonds
Speaker 1: that they have because they don't want to do business
Speaker 1: with us and they want to hurt us. And uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm definitely I'm definitely coming out of
Speaker 1: reading the news this morning, Jason thinking oh, things could
Speaker 1: get much worse. So what's going to happen next? Who
Speaker 1: the hell knows? It is frightening times.
Speaker 2: Like you want to every every news article you read,
Speaker 2: you want to think, yeah, the floor, we've hit the floor.
Speaker 2: But then you realize, yeah, you might have hit the floor,
Speaker 2: but you're still upstairs. You haven't even hit the middle floor,
Speaker 2: let alone the basement. Yet. You just don't know. And honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised, because it turns out that people around
Speaker 2: the world are not into the living embodiment of small
Speaker 2: dick energy. So here we are dealing with this crap
Speaker 2: because of what's going on outside of our control. And
Speaker 2: and you and I and everyone in the chat from America.
Speaker 2: I know lex is floating around in there that doesn't
Speaker 2: apply to them, but you know it's gonna hurt us
Speaker 2: more than it's gonna hurt the person pushing the buttons.
Speaker 2: And that all just makes it even more infiording, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, didn't mean to get us started off on that,
Speaker 1: but it's like I can't stop thinking about it, really
Speaker 1: uh gnawing at me. But let's list say what we
Speaker 1: do here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see the first I see the first article
Speaker 2: you've written here. We're gonna disappoint.
Speaker 1: People in a completely different way, Kelly. Let's explain what
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Speaker 1: All right, we have a lot to get into, so
Speaker 1: let's start the show with. Here's a story from Insider Gaming.
Speaker 1: Titan Fall three is almost complete, says leak, and has campaign,
Speaker 1: multiplayer and ex Legends content. Here is a summary of
Speaker 1: the story from Insider Gaming. Recent reports and leaks suggest
Speaker 1: Titanfall three, a highly anticipated sequel, is nearing completion after
Speaker 1: previous cancelations and development rumors, and an Apex Legends leaker
Speaker 1: claims the game is almost finished and will utilize Unreal
Speaker 1: Engine five, featuring a single player campaign, live service elements
Speaker 1: with battle passes in extraction mode, classic titan Fall two
Speaker 1: multiplayer modes, returning Apex characters and a weather system. A
Speaker 1: potential release has generated excitement given Titanfall two's acclaimed campaign
Speaker 1: and multiplayer, along with a possible Apex Legends crossover. This
Speaker 1: is in real. I'm sorry, it's not real, Okay, So
Speaker 1: let's get into the details here of like what could
Speaker 1: be happening at Respawn. There is a skunk Works team
Speaker 1: headed up by Titanfall one director Steve Fakuda. He's got
Speaker 1: a small team over there that is probably messing around
Speaker 1: with like games that have Titans in them, right, titan
Speaker 1: Fall one creator over there, messing around with the small
Speaker 1: team prototyping stuff the way Respawn has traditionally done. So
Speaker 1: does he have something that, like a prototype that has
Speaker 1: Titans in it? I would guess. So. I don't know
Speaker 1: for sure, but I would certainly assume that that is
Speaker 1: a safe thing to think. Now, is that coming? You're
Speaker 1: going to get announced in twenty twenty five and released
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. No way, no way, if that
Speaker 1: Steve Akuda thing it even happens. Because let's look at
Speaker 1: what EA has done to RESPWND recently. Cancel game, cancel game,
Speaker 1: cancel game, everything except for Apex Legends and Star Wars
Speaker 1: Jedi and then that Bitreactor game. They're they're working in
Speaker 1: a partnership with those are the only things left that
Speaker 1: are really going concerns. Everything else has been canceled, including
Speaker 1: what sounded like an incredible Star Wars first person shooter
Speaker 1: titan Fall Legends, a previous version of titan Fall three
Speaker 1: that was going to be this new mode in Apex
Speaker 1: Legends that was going to have single player stuff and
Speaker 1: it was going to take like concept from Hades and
Speaker 1: apply it to the single player campaign that that you
Speaker 1: got from in titan Fall two. Yeah, that stuff wasn't
Speaker 1: the works. It's been that's long scrapped, long canceled at
Speaker 1: this point, So do not expect an Unreal Engine five
Speaker 1: single player campaign titan Fall three with multiplayer, with a
Speaker 1: full multiplayer suite with weather whatever that means. I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure where this is coming from, Jason, and I
Speaker 1: hate to be like, hey, let's rain on the parade,
Speaker 1: but don't get your hopes up for Titanfall anytime soon.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, And this report didn't pass the smell
Speaker 2: tests just reading the paragraph that you've just read it,
Speaker 2: and the reason being, I have noticed that the more
Speaker 2: Elite promises, the more chance it's wrong. This promise true
Speaker 2: on Religion five single player live service extraction classic titan
Speaker 2: to multiplayer, returning Apex characters, weather system, potential Apex level.
Speaker 2: There's too much here and almost done. That I think
Speaker 2: was what it clinched it for me. All of this
Speaker 2: is coming and it's almost done. I know it pains
Speaker 2: me to say it, because titan Fall two is wonderful
Speaker 2: and deserve to follow up. But I am with you
Speaker 2: in that if anything is happening, it is nowhere near complete.
Speaker 2: It's in concept or prototype, and that's it. I would
Speaker 2: agree that they are probably using the as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: the Titan Fall, the Titan mechanics or technology for something.
Speaker 2: But for all we know, this prototype could adapt that
Speaker 2: sort of tech into a Star Wars game. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That is a universe that could feasibly
Speaker 2: have that sort of tech in it. We don't know
Speaker 2: if it's for titan Fall or not. I am not
Speaker 2: surprised that this isn't real. I figured it wasn't as
Speaker 2: soon as I saw it. Partially because I want titan
Speaker 2: Fall three really bad and I'm ready to get hurt again,
Speaker 2: and partially because, like I said, it just promised way
Speaker 2: too much. I would love to be wrong that this
Speaker 2: is something I would love to be wrong about and
Speaker 2: I will gladly eat that crow if I am, but
Speaker 2: or if we are, I guess, But no, I'm sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I do like want to like talk to
Speaker 1: you about, like what is the reason that we don't
Speaker 1: get a titan Fall three, Like like what is happening
Speaker 1: at a corporation like EA where they did have something
Speaker 1: like titan Fall Legends in the works and they couldn't
Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it make sense? Like
Speaker 1: why is gaming the way it is? Right now? What
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 2: I think instability from outside forces that we spoke about
Speaker 2: earlier be damned. I think just because the last couple
Speaker 2: of years, with all of the turmoil and turnover and
Speaker 2: things like that, big corporations like this are just sticking
Speaker 2: to their best chances, let's say. And as much as
Speaker 2: there was a groundswell of support for titan Fall, I
Speaker 2: don't remember it selling well, right, I don't remember titan
Speaker 2: Fall two selling well, and.
Speaker 1: Just that Aloneween Battlefield another YA game, and as Paul Newty,
Speaker 1: it was like released right between those, it just never stood.
Speaker 2: A chance, right right, And I think that that even
Speaker 2: though those circumstances and now we're coming on eleven years
Speaker 2: since that actually happened, I believe twenty fourteen. It's just
Speaker 2: I think they're too afraid right now. I think, especially
Speaker 2: with everything going on, they only want sure things, or
Speaker 2: as much of a sure thing as they can predict.
Speaker 2: Star Wars Jedi probably as close to a short thing
Speaker 2: as they can predict. At Respawn titan Fall legends. While
Speaker 2: it would have been appreciated, I don't think it would
Speaker 2: have had the impact that a new Star Wars Jedi
Speaker 2: game would have had or would have, And that's why
Speaker 2: those resources are now being dedicated there. It's not to
Speaker 2: say that there will never be a brand new titan
Speaker 2: Fall game. Ever, this isn't Star Tropics. They're gonna see
Speaker 2: it at some point.
Speaker 1: But go to Hell's Star Tropics fans.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if or when that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: If it's this prototype. If it's a prototype, we're talking
Speaker 2: what four or five years? If that could be more
Speaker 2: if it's just a prototype. So who knows. But to
Speaker 2: answer your question, I just think a lot of these
Speaker 2: bigger companies, even looking at someone like Ubisoft and whatever
Speaker 2: the hell's going on over there, company like EA is like,
Speaker 2: we just have to stick to what we know makes
Speaker 2: us money, and that's EA Sports and from Respawse case
Speaker 2: Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's That's definitely how it went down
Speaker 1: with Titanfall Legends. One is they were looking at, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bolster Apex Legends with this stuff. Now, let's
Speaker 1: look at the timeline. Do we think the amount of
Speaker 1: money it takes to make this investment, to make all
Speaker 1: this stuff will be returned to us in new support
Speaker 1: for Apex going forward. And sure, I dislike as much
Speaker 1: as anyone else said the fact that Titan Fall's fate
Speaker 1: was tied to that, but that seemed to give it
Speaker 1: the best chance, and even that they were looking at
Speaker 1: it like, no, what we'd rather do? And this is
Speaker 1: in that moment. I think things have probably changed a
Speaker 1: little bit, But in that moment they were saying, we'd
Speaker 1: rather just sort of keep Apex Legends in a stasis
Speaker 1: mode and maybe not maintenance mode, but let it slowly
Speaker 1: just like get smaller and smaller updates, fewer and fewer
Speaker 1: big investments in terms of new ideas and new stuff,
Speaker 1: and just kind of squeeze what we can from the
Speaker 1: remainder of the next five to six years from that game,
Speaker 1: and then kind of in that time get ready to
Speaker 1: make something else and launch something else so we can
Speaker 1: follow it up. And that was not going to be
Speaker 1: That was never going to be Titanfall, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: they decided against Titanfaule Legends in that moment, and I
Speaker 1: think if anything's changed, it is them thinking maybe we
Speaker 1: could reinvest in Apex Legends in other ways, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, why couldn't you just bridge those two things
Speaker 1: and come to that conclusion whilst still making Titanfall Legends
Speaker 1: and just rework whatever you had to make it make
Speaker 1: the most sense. I think all anyone really wanted was
Speaker 1: a Titan Fall campaign and some Titans in Apex Legends,
Speaker 1: or obviously I want more than that, but I think
Speaker 1: I would have happily settled for that. If there was
Speaker 1: this titan Fall campaign to kind of get me back
Speaker 1: in through the gateway for Apex Legends and then I
Speaker 1: go in to the multiplayer mode and there's dedicated Titan modes.
Speaker 1: I think that would have been fantastic. But here we are.
Speaker 1: We people still are holding a torch for this one,
Speaker 1: and I don't blame anyone for that, but it's not
Speaker 1: coming back.
Speaker 2: I wonder too if the failure of Apex Legends Mobile
Speaker 2: may have scared them away of making any big changes
Speaker 2: to Apex Legends in general, because they really thought that
Speaker 2: that was going to be a huge mobile driver for them,
Speaker 2: just as the console version was, and then it just
Speaker 2: disappeared like they just fell off the face of the earth.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if.
Speaker 1: That was on Switch. It was like, you know, Partnight
Speaker 1: makes a lot of money on Switch, Apex Legends made
Speaker 1: nothing on there, No.
Speaker 2: Did not, So I wonder if there if there's if
Speaker 2: there is enough anxiety I guess surrounding the core Apex
Speaker 2: Legends experience that they don't want to rock the boat
Speaker 2: any more than they have to, So that might play
Speaker 2: into this as well.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's a it's a shame. I loved and Fall
Speaker 1: both one and two. I love those games. Played a
Speaker 1: thousand hours of titan Fall one. I think Titan Fall
Speaker 1: two the campaign is one of the best games I've
Speaker 1: ever played. It just straight up is incredible. It's like
Speaker 1: Super Super Mario Galaxy two in terms of the inventiveness
Speaker 1: and how many cool ideas are in that game. And
Speaker 1: I hope that that knowledge because really, what's happened here
Speaker 1: Jason with with Respawn, Well, EA has fumbled the bag
Speaker 1: and not really been able to take a lot of
Speaker 1: these great the great elements that made Respawn special, which
Speaker 1: is it's tendency to prototype for several several years, come
Speaker 1: up with a lot a lot of ideas, and then
Speaker 1: make a game based on all of these great ideas.
Speaker 1: That is their their method. They you know, two and
Speaker 1: a half years of prototyping, two and a half years
Speaker 1: of hard development and product design and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and that really worked and they, like EA, we fell
Speaker 1: in love with it for a moment. But of course
Speaker 1: EA shortsighted has already abandoned that. So what's happened is
Speaker 1: a lot of the people that were key to Respawn
Speaker 1: their stocks vested. They they made their money, and they
Speaker 1: have used that money as a backbone to support their lives.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know anyone personally, I've never like
Speaker 1: asked them about this, but I do know many have
Speaker 1: left taken investment from other companies to start their own
Speaker 1: development studios. And there are at least like three or
Speaker 1: four of these Respawn you know, the coaching Tree Coaching,
Speaker 1: Tree of Development studios that are going to come back
Speaker 1: with products that I think we're probably going to be
Speaker 1: more interested in, and I hope a lot of them
Speaker 1: hit very hard. But what we're gonna have to wait
Speaker 1: and see. In the meantime. If you're looking to respawn
Speaker 1: for more titan Fall, sorry, just not gonna happen. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on here. Xbox Games Showcase twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: followed by the Outer World's two direct, is set for
Speaker 1: June eighth, Summer Game Fest. The season is basically upon us.
Speaker 1: You and I were talking already, starting to get emails,
Speaker 1: and we're starting to talk about like GB at night
Speaker 1: and stuff over here. So it's coming. This is from
Speaker 1: Salamano at Gamoka. Oh yeah, sleep there, but for sure
Speaker 1: I will snuggle. Xbox Games Showcase twenty twenty five air
Speaker 1: on June eighth at ten am Pacific time one pm Eastern.
Speaker 1: Microsoft announced it will be immediately followed by a special
Speaker 1: Deep Dive direct into the Outer Worlds too. You will
Speaker 1: be able to watch it on YouTube, Twitch, and Facebook.
Speaker 1: The broadcast will feature an upcoming look at titles from
Speaker 1: across Xbox Game Studios, as well as new titles from
Speaker 1: third party partners across the world. This year, the show
Speaker 1: will be digital only in over forty languages. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: so they're not doing an in person thing, that's what
Speaker 1: that means. Okay, Yeah, for sure, man. So it's basically
Speaker 1: just like a Nintendo Direct. Now, interesting, I didn't see
Speaker 1: that part before. I put thro us of this news
Speaker 1: here and included that last line with.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, and they and they actually specified that includes
Speaker 2: like the media watch party that was at the what
Speaker 2: the Academy of Motion Pictures last year. They're not doing anything, right,
Speaker 2: It's just a digital show this Sunday, Sunday, Yeah, Sunday
Speaker 2: of Summer Games festive time slot. Just nothing in person yep.
Speaker 1: So they Yeah, I am. I'm excited for these. I'm
Speaker 1: always excited for these. I think Microsoft has really nailed
Speaker 1: their especially their Summer Game Fest showcases the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. Last year's was really good. They still have
Speaker 1: tons to talk about, even though despite the fact that
Speaker 1: they have started releasing their games more frequently, and it
Speaker 1: feels like they are hitting that cadence they always promised.
Speaker 1: They you know, Perfect Dark isn't here, Fable isn't here.
Speaker 1: So that's there's plenty of stuff to talk about. Uh.
Speaker 1: The focus on Outer Worlds too also is in surprising.
Speaker 1: That's one that they I think they My understanding is
Speaker 1: they move that up. They like delayed another game and
Speaker 1: I can never remember what it was they got pushed
Speaker 1: out of this year and Outer Worlds two got moved
Speaker 1: up into this year. Uh. And so that game must
Speaker 1: be looking real shit hot for them to put so
Speaker 1: much emphasis on it and give it its own, you know, attention.
Speaker 1: But also Obsidian has been good to them about I think,
Speaker 1: you know, did what it needed to do, and I
Speaker 1: think they're ready to like be like, no, this is
Speaker 1: a big deal. And my expectation, my expectation always was
Speaker 1: for this game is that it would be a major
Speaker 1: revamp or major like not reinvention of what the Outer
Speaker 1: World was, but a realization of all the promises that
Speaker 1: they couldn't get away with the first time with the
Speaker 1: first game, as they were just getting development for a
Speaker 1: new open world space RPG off the ground with a
Speaker 1: who who was the publisher at the time. It was
Speaker 1: Take Two's indie label, right, Private Division. I think that's
Speaker 1: Private Division, right, It's like, so there were definitely some
Speaker 1: like shackles on them and now that stuff off. They
Speaker 1: have a proven franchise here. My hope is this really
Speaker 1: can be the fully realized idea of what they were
Speaker 1: going for. So I'm excited about all this, how about you?
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent. I like that. I like
Speaker 2: that we're talking about Summer Games Fest in general, honestly,
Speaker 2: but it's nice to see that they're going to do
Speaker 2: the same thing they did last year, Digital or Live whatever.
Speaker 2: I do agree that the last couple of years we
Speaker 2: really have changed the conversation around them when it turns
Speaker 2: in terms of games for their systems, haven't we There
Speaker 2: was a time we were talking about what's Xbox got.
Speaker 2: Now that conversations completely flipped to the other side, what's
Speaker 2: going on over at Sony right, And even this year
Speaker 2: things have started strong with avowed South of Midnight reviewed well,
Speaker 2: so they have, and Doom is still to come right
Speaker 2: before between now and Summer Games Fest. That's the end
Speaker 2: of the most awesome. It does look awesome, So there's
Speaker 2: a lot a lot to be excited about both the
Speaker 2: things we do know. As you mentioned fable, I think
Speaker 2: someone to mention contraband is that still a thing what's
Speaker 2: going on there? There one more that you said that
Speaker 2: is alluding years of war e day. You didn't say that,
Speaker 2: but that's another one. And then there's always the stuff
Speaker 2: that we don't know about. Is this where oblivion get
Speaker 2: shadow dropped? Jeff? Is this where we finally see that
Speaker 2: damn bird and bear again, which you can't see but
Speaker 2: as off screen here? I want some banjo. I'm it's
Speaker 2: saying it for months now. I love this time of year.
Speaker 2: It really makes me smile, and I am just as
Speaker 2: excited for the things I know are coming from Xbox
Speaker 2: as I am for the things that aren't, and I
Speaker 2: am looking forward to be wowed on juneith.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I think for me, I'm definitely most excited
Speaker 1: to see Perfect Arc. I think that last last time
Speaker 1: we saw that, it looked really really cool, a lot
Speaker 1: of great ideas. Just looked like, let's have a futuristic
Speaker 1: spy sci fi game and and then work backward from okay,
Speaker 1: well what would like what would be something cool you
Speaker 1: could do? And it looked like they had fifteen ideas
Speaker 1: for that. So I'm very ready to interact with that
Speaker 1: world and not treat it like a just another shooter
Speaker 1: or something like that. Treat it like, you know, an
Speaker 1: evolution of maybe some m SIM stuff and some other elements,
Speaker 1: but all their stuff like really could be very big
Speaker 1: for them. So yeah, there is a long list of things.
Speaker 1: And you know there's always like games I heard about
Speaker 1: a few years ago, like the the Wu Tang Action RTT. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Wua group. Yes, I would love to see if
Speaker 1: that's still real, no idea. If that's the case, that
Speaker 1: would be very cool thing to see. Yeah. Uh, well
Speaker 1: Killer Instinct, Yeah that could show back.
Speaker 2: Oh man, how did I forget that one?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I need that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so yeah, I'm just I'm at a point
Speaker 1: where I'm excited for what Microsoft has coming and uh
Speaker 1: and at this point it's like we're past the point
Speaker 1: of them having to make the Xbox make sense. Now
Speaker 1: it's just about the games, and I'm like, I'm glad
Speaker 1: they sort of pushed through that pain of Okay again,
Speaker 1: we're not trying to necessarily sell you sell you an
Speaker 1: Xbox anymore. If you want one, we are going to
Speaker 1: have one. That's great, But really it's just going to
Speaker 1: be about, Hey, we're one of the biggest publishers now
Speaker 1: and we have this great you know, crew of developers.
Speaker 1: Let's take advantage of that. And I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing what that all means.
Speaker 2: And let's not forget everything's an Xbox now, so they
Speaker 2: don't want to sell you a console. They could. You
Speaker 2: can just buy the game pass and play these games
Speaker 2: day one on your phone and your PC or whatever
Speaker 2: the heck you want to do it. So I agree
Speaker 2: with that one hundred percent. Console, especially now with you
Speaker 2: know that that big tea word that we're about to
Speaker 2: talk about with a different company. They're not worried about
Speaker 2: consoles at the moment because everything's in x YEP.
Speaker 1: As far as Oblivion shadow dropping, I still think that's
Speaker 1: happening this month. I think that'll happen probably later this month,
Speaker 1: but yeah, still this month and when it does shadow drops,
Speaker 1: so I guess some what like in what I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we'll see.
Speaker 2: Can I can I just ask that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: Can we get it from May first? Because I just
Speaker 2: got a game for review a couple of days ago
Speaker 2: that I am you not review for one site, feature
Speaker 2: for another, and a guide for a third. I need time?
Speaker 2: Can you just hold it off for a minute? So
Speaker 2: I can get this stuff done and then I can
Speaker 2: drop myself into oblivion for a while.
Speaker 1: I think I think Phil's listening, so he'll probably make
Speaker 1: your which come true. We can see what we can
Speaker 1: do here, I Phil, all right, let's see here. Razor
Speaker 1: pausing sales in the USS as tariff fears grow. Let's
Speaker 1: get back into this. This is from Jordan Midler over
Speaker 1: at VGC. Razor has paused sales for several of its
Speaker 1: products as fear around tariff's shake the tech industry. As
Speaker 1: the impact of US President Donald Trump's trade war is
Speaker 1: felt across the technology space. Razor is the latest company
Speaker 1: to make the move, seemingly in response to the economic uncertainty.
Speaker 1: While tariffs haven't officially been cited as the reason, several
Speaker 1: Razor products were suddenly or have suddenly been made unavailable
Speaker 1: for pre order, and a statement to the Verge, Razors
Speaker 1: public relations relations manager Andy Johnston said, we do not
Speaker 1: have a comment at this stage regarding tariffs. Handy's over
Speaker 1: at Razor now, the Blade sixteen laptop and several other
Speaker 1: laptops that were recently available for pre order have been removed.
Speaker 1: At the time of writing, direct links to those pages
Speaker 1: were which were previously available now lead to an air message.
Speaker 1: A laptop stand, which was supposed to be available now
Speaker 1: in the US, is missing from the firm's website, despite
Speaker 1: being available in other markets. Production of Razors products is
Speaker 1: largely largely centralized in nations that have been severely affected
Speaker 1: by tariffs, resulting in the products being far more expensive
Speaker 1: to bring into the United States. And it's like it's
Speaker 1: getting worse every day. Right. They definitely make stuff in
Speaker 1: territories that would be I think hit by the Chinese tariffs.
Speaker 1: So those were thirty four percent one day, one hundred
Speaker 1: and four percent the next. Now just today China and
Speaker 1: that they went up because it's a trade war. So
Speaker 1: it's every country they're going tit for tat China in
Speaker 1: the United States, and China raise their terrists on the
Speaker 1: United States in response in that tit for tat battle.
Speaker 1: And so the expectation is now that China has raised
Speaker 1: it again after the one hundred and four percent, is
Speaker 1: Trump going to back down? Of course he's not. So
Speaker 1: it's going to be even higher here pretty soon. It's
Speaker 1: just going to get completely out of hand. And really
Speaker 1: it's that's gonna be between China and the United States.
Speaker 1: One country's gonna have to blink first, and the idea
Speaker 1: that it's going to be China is absurd because they
Speaker 1: are built to like with stand pain like this, and
Speaker 1: they've also been preparing for moments like this. They've been
Speaker 1: trying to be more self sufficient and things like that.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, just like our country, their government
Speaker 1: doesn't care about their people, so you know, there's no
Speaker 1: difference there. I think, pretty similar, but I think China
Speaker 1: is much more used to doing that as opposed to
Speaker 1: the United States, where I think in a few months
Speaker 1: all the republic guns that are still cheery and all
Speaker 1: this stuff actually will begin to break if it gets
Speaker 1: really bad, if all their constituents are saying, I can't
Speaker 1: afford food. So it's gonna yeah, we'll see who blinks first.
Speaker 1: My bet is on the United States, but who knows.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like a company like a Razor is just
Speaker 1: straight up not selling products in the United States, pausing sales,
Speaker 1: and obviously they're waiting for this all to shake out,
Speaker 1: but really it just feels like it's gonna keep getting worse.
Speaker 1: So maybe there's no recourse here and they just have
Speaker 1: to pick and choose a handful of products to sell
Speaker 1: at a super high rate. I don't know, Jason, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do here.
Speaker 2: I I don't know that I blame them for doing this,
Speaker 2: but like, oh, yeah, what are we supposed to say here?
Speaker 2: Like where this is all? This is all above our
Speaker 2: pay Gray, this is not what we normally you know,
Speaker 2: are we're talking about on this show or any other
Speaker 2: news articles that we're writing and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 2: just it's it's it's completely unprecedented. I it's it's mine
Speaker 2: bottling the kind of things that we have to deal
Speaker 2: with in the current moment, all unforced errors. To let's
Speaker 2: be honest, it started in November. That was a big
Speaker 2: unforced error that with you know, however, many millions of
Speaker 2: people caused that error, and now we're dealing with all
Speaker 2: of this. So I would I love to say that
Speaker 2: this is just all going to go away soon? Yes?
Speaker 2: Do I think in my head that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I'm going to put it at a maybe because I
Speaker 2: think you said months for the Republicans to start caving.
Speaker 2: I think it might actually happen sooner than that, because
Speaker 2: you're waiting for people to say I can't afford food,
Speaker 2: but we're Americans. We're more angry when we can't afford
Speaker 2: video games. So if gamers start rising up, like when
Speaker 2: the PlayStation's place doubles because of the one hundred and
Speaker 2: four percent tariff for that or it goes up halfway
Speaker 2: or one point five because of the fifty percent tariff
Speaker 2: in Vietnam and Cambodia, people are gonna get pissed and
Speaker 2: they're going to start calling and emailing and yelling and screaming.
Speaker 2: I I don't I don't know. I don't know when
Speaker 2: this is going to end, if it is even going
Speaker 2: to end. It. I hate being at a loss for words,
Speaker 2: especially on a video show like this, but how else
Speaker 2: can we almost can we describe it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it's uh, it's going to continue to be whiplash,
Speaker 1: Like the markets are are going back up today. They
Speaker 1: were up four percent yesterday and then finished the day
Speaker 1: down one percent, So it's like the volatility is like
Speaker 1: and that like I think if it has happened before,
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened since like the eighties, But I think
Speaker 1: that's never happened before where the market was up at
Speaker 1: four percent at one point in the day and then
Speaker 1: finished the day down one percent, So like the volatility
Speaker 1: is going to continue, and so that's going to cause
Speaker 1: some confusion because it's like if like you know, today
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, good news, it's all in the green
Speaker 1: h and that is probably based on whether it's accurate
Speaker 1: or not, this idea that all these other countries other
Speaker 1: than China are rushing to beat down the door of
Speaker 1: the White House to have negotiations to get tailor made
Speaker 1: deals done for trade with the White House. But you know,
Speaker 1: someone in Chad just pointed out the EU is approving
Speaker 1: a reciprocal tariffs as countermeasures to this, and so that's
Speaker 1: you know, our over I think if you put the
Speaker 1: EU as one block, that's actually our largest trading partner
Speaker 1: after Canada and Mexico and you know terms in you know,
Speaker 1: China's definitely up there as well. And so it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: China and the EU both are not playing ball, They're
Speaker 1: not stepping, they're not standing down. They are going to
Speaker 1: go tit for tat. So really it's the bad news
Speaker 1: is going to swing back the other way here real soon,
Speaker 1: and it's just going to continue to be this mess
Speaker 1: of whip whiplash feeling of the markets not knowing what
Speaker 1: to do one moment to the next, and so that
Speaker 1: is going to enable confusion and kind of I think
Speaker 1: what it's going to give Trump the opportunity to do
Speaker 1: is continue to do stuff however he wants, because no
Speaker 1: one's going to be able to make heads or tails
Speaker 1: of it. So he's just gonna keep making things worse.
Speaker 1: And if you are a company trying to sell a
Speaker 1: product here, I do not know what you do I
Speaker 1: have I think I think they don't. Think that's why
Speaker 1: Razors pausing it. If there was a way to keep
Speaker 1: selling these things and make it make sense, that's what
Speaker 1: they would be doing. There is no way to do that,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's a big company like Razor that
Speaker 1: has a taught supply chain controls a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that's making kind of had some insight into, you know,
Speaker 1: there could be future problems. We should diversify our where
Speaker 1: we're making stuff. There are dozens of smaller vendors that
Speaker 1: have not been able to prepare for this, have been
Speaker 1: and are in much worse situations. I mean, I mentioned
Speaker 1: it on the BombCast yesterday, but the guy that runs
Speaker 1: retro Tink, Mike g He's a lot of these things.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna be able to sell these products anymore.
Speaker 1: And these are like upscaler products for old video games
Speaker 1: things like that, but they could be expensive. They're hard
Speaker 1: to make. They require very specific components and a lot
Speaker 1: of specialized hardware. And you know, the the FPGA consoles,
Speaker 1: Analog and the one from tech Udon, those are going
Speaker 1: to like he's got the pre orders for that PlayStation analog,
Speaker 1: it's got pre orders for that analog three D the
Speaker 1: N sixty four FPGA console are probably gonna have to
Speaker 1: cancel those because those are now going to cost upwards
Speaker 1: of twice as much for them to bring here into
Speaker 1: the country now, you know, So what could happen here
Speaker 1: right is manufacturing comes back to the United States. That's
Speaker 1: not what they're talking about either, Jason. The most common
Speaker 1: thing that now these companies are talking about is finding
Speaker 1: ways to launder their products through other countries that have
Speaker 1: slightly lower tariffs, like India, but like India's got twenty
Speaker 1: percent tariffs. What we'll do is we'll ship it to India,
Speaker 1: maybe slap a sticker on it there so it's manufactured
Speaker 1: in India. We do like one thing and then send
Speaker 1: it to the United States. So yeah, the return of
Speaker 1: glorious manufacturing to the United States has always been a joke.
Speaker 1: That's and it's not we know, that's not what he's
Speaker 1: really He doesn't care about that, And if anyone does
Speaker 1: care about it, it's Peter Tiel, because he wants to
Speaker 1: build factories here entirely by robots, and that way they
Speaker 1: can just get infinitely wealthy of going forward and all
Speaker 1: the manufacturing does happen here, but no one fucking works
Speaker 1: and can buy anything.
Speaker 2: It's because that's just what they actually give a shit about.
Speaker 2: They don't care about anything else other than growing their pockets.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's it's getting much. It's getting harder
Speaker 2: every day to keep composure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just I want to scream, but I can't because
Speaker 2: I got two little kids and don't understand what the
Speaker 2: hell's going on and I and my wife does a
Speaker 2: very good job of insulating herself from this. I wish
Speaker 2: I had her resolve to do so. I can't, obviously,
Speaker 2: because I got to cover it.
Speaker 1: But it just.
Speaker 2: Kills me. I just I just want to play video
Speaker 2: games and have fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean, let's Let's go to Combo Breaker
Speaker 1: right and have fun there. Oh no, the event director.
Speaker 1: This is from a Jason Finelli at game Spot. The
Speaker 1: gaming world has been turned upside down in recent days
Speaker 1: thanks to the US President Donald Trump's tariffs on dozens
Speaker 1: of countries around the world. Nintendo was forced to delay
Speaker 1: pre orders of the upcoming Switch to console in both
Speaker 1: the United States and Canada, while Razor removed its entire
Speaker 1: line of gaming laptops from direct sale in the United States.
Speaker 1: Now we can add annual conventions to the list. As
Speaker 1: the event director of one prominent fighting game tournament has
Speaker 1: weighed on how the event could be affected moving forward.
Speaker 1: Rick the how do try her?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 1: How you say that? Who acts as both Yeah, Tryer,
Speaker 1: who acts as both general manager of EBO and the
Speaker 1: event director of Combo Breaker in Illinois, took the Blue
Speaker 1: Sky to comment on the tariffs, saying that of all
Speaker 1: the ways Combo Breaker could bleed out over the years,
Speaker 1: mortality mortally injured by tariffs is an absurd surprise. And
Speaker 1: response to a reply on that post, Tryer explained on
Speaker 1: how these tariffs have wreaked havoc on the event. Here's
Speaker 1: a quote from him. The event has discussed at length
Speaker 1: that our sustainability is rooted in an annual merchandise line.
Speaker 1: Tryer said in the reply, merchandise coming in right now
Speaker 1: has forty nine percent to one hundred and four percent markups.
Speaker 1: That's the tariffs. There's no sales potential in shirts with
Speaker 1: an MSRP of ninety US dollars, so the line is
Speaker 1: likely burned expenses, very bad reality to be in. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's I'm gonna sneeze. No excuse me, there's no getting
Speaker 1: around that, right, That's just there's or the tariffs or
Speaker 1: the like. They're having to raise prices to the point
Speaker 1: where this whole enterprise becomes uneconomical. And I mean, of
Speaker 1: course these things are going to have ramifications, but I
Speaker 1: think we're only beginning to see just how many waves
Speaker 1: this is going to cause throughout the rest of the economy.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, Now, I do want to specify that they
Speaker 2: have not actually announced any changes to Combo Breaker yet, Nora.
Speaker 2: Have they announced any changes to Evo, which Rick Thire
Speaker 2: and It's fire two hs will be uh with Evo.
Speaker 2: He's general manager of Evo. Nothing has been nothing has
Speaker 2: been changed. They're still on the schedule. They're still happening,
Speaker 2: and so we don't know how they're affected by that yet.
Speaker 2: But I want everyone watching this and everyone who finds
Speaker 2: this article to show it to people who may not
Speaker 2: think that the tarifs will affect them, and I want
Speaker 2: you to say to them, this is an event. Every
Speaker 2: event you may go to, every venue that hosts it,
Speaker 2: every store that you shop at, every online retailer that
Speaker 2: you go to, is going to be affected this way
Speaker 2: in very similar fashions. Now ninety dollars T shirts perhaps not,
Speaker 2: but everything on every shelf in every business in this
Speaker 2: country is going to see markups like this. This is
Speaker 2: just but one small example that highlights the very real issue,
Speaker 2: and that is honestly why I wanted to write this article.
Speaker 2: I don't want to make everything the guy says, newsworthy
Speaker 2: because and I don't really want to put a bunch
Speaker 2: of a dark cloud over the event. Right, common Breakers awesome,
Speaker 2: EVO is awesome, But this stuff needs to be highlighted.
Speaker 2: It needs to be shown how people that you may
Speaker 2: not realize are being affected are being affected by this.
Speaker 2: When I saw one hundred and four percent markup, it
Speaker 2: immediately occurred to me how much of the clothes I
Speaker 2: wear are made in those countries, the shoes I have
Speaker 2: on the more importantly, the clothes my kids wear.
Speaker 1: I mean, it goes deeper than that, right, So let's say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we do want to try to get away from buying
Speaker 1: products from other countries for whatever reason, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't care about it. I like buying stuff from other
Speaker 1: countries because I imagine someone's getting money for the first
Speaker 1: time for working a job and they able to make
Speaker 1: their life a little bit better. I think that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. But whatever, let's say we did want to
Speaker 1: do that, and let's say I want to get super
Speaker 1: extreme about it, and I'm gonna grow grow on my
Speaker 1: own food, Jason, and that I'm gonna do it. I
Speaker 1: don't wanna buy it from anyone else. I'm gonna grow
Speaker 1: my own food in my backyard. Okay, Well, where's the
Speaker 1: hose coming from that I'm gonna water the plants with?
Speaker 1: Where are all the tools gonna be made? All like?
Speaker 1: And that's me doing it myself. Imagine a corporate or
Speaker 1: like a factory farm where they have to get all
Speaker 1: these products at a mass scale. All of the equipment
Speaker 1: that goes into the tractors, like not, maybe the detractors
Speaker 1: are assembled here, but where do a lot of the
Speaker 1: parts get manufactured overseas? For sure, every little thing that
Speaker 1: comes into this country gets tariffed. So ever, the hose,
Speaker 1: the tools, the parts for the tractor, all that stuff's
Speaker 1: going to cause price. So even if you're talking about
Speaker 1: an apple that gets made here, that also has to
Speaker 1: go up in price because the cost involved in producing
Speaker 1: that apple are gonna go up. This it's just terrible policy.
Speaker 1: It's that simple. And why does it happen because he
Speaker 1: doesn't understand anything. He just doesn't understand how any of
Speaker 1: this works, and he doesn't care to. Obviously, he's got
Speaker 1: now CEO's going to see him, and he's got other
Speaker 1: countries calling him up, being like, hey, this seems like
Speaker 1: a bad idea. What can we do? Get a go away?
Speaker 1: And he's just excited that they're kissing his ass. That's
Speaker 1: what he said yesterday.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's it's we have we have given
Speaker 2: the controls to a child, like I mean, there's no
Speaker 2: other there's no way run it. We've given They've given
Speaker 2: the controls to a child who has never been told
Speaker 2: know his whole life and if he has, he hasn't listened.
Speaker 2: And the times he has been told no, he you know,
Speaker 2: screamed at, screamed and cried that it was, you know,
Speaker 2: a sham, and people just believe him. And it's just
Speaker 2: as bad that everybody in his circle enables him. Takes
Speaker 2: one person, one person be like, yo, dude, what's going
Speaker 2: on here? I the canary in the coal mine for
Speaker 2: me is had to deal with my dad. Right to
Speaker 2: my dad, whenever things were happening in government or finance
Speaker 2: or whatever, he always had an explanation. There was always
Speaker 2: a way where he could say, look, I know it
Speaker 2: sounds bad, but it makes sense and here's why. Right
Speaker 2: for the first time he has said I have know,
Speaker 2: goddamn Phil, what's happening. I've no idea how to explain this.
Speaker 2: And that to me from a personal level, was like
Speaker 2: we are now in some sort of unprecedented, unprecedented crazy
Speaker 2: time and there is no way, as we said earlier,
Speaker 2: to be able to comment or predict on it, because
Speaker 2: we don't we've ever seen it before. And I only hope,
Speaker 2: I only hope that it doesn't last long enough that
Speaker 2: things like Combo Breaker and things like all the events
Speaker 2: that we like to go to, all the games that
Speaker 2: we liked them. All these things don't disappear because of it. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen to. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's going to happen to like Nintendo, They're not
Speaker 2: going anywhere. I'm talking about the smaller community run stuff
Speaker 2: like a combo breaker and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, the only way to
Speaker 1: fully understand what's going to happen is believe him when
Speaker 1: he says the crazy stuff he says. So when he
Speaker 1: said he was going to tear if everybody and everyone
Speaker 1: didn't take him seriously, well we should have taken him seriously.
Speaker 1: So what else has he said? Well, maybe we should
Speaker 1: get Greenland, maybe we should have the Panama Canal back,
Speaker 1: maybe Canada should be the fifty first state. Like, how
Speaker 1: do you distract from all this stuff that's happening. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I believe him. I believe he's going to
Speaker 1: do this stuff now and so too at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to get way worse unless something happens. You know,
Speaker 1: I have my wish for stuff that happens in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, But who can say, all Right, let's see here,
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. When we come back, let's
Speaker 1: talk about how powerful that switch to really is according
Speaker 1: to the experts. We'll get into that right after this.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for sticking with us. Let's get right
Speaker 1: back into it with. Digital Foundry says Nintendo switch To
Speaker 1: is roughly at PS four level system not too surprising,
Speaker 1: but it's nice to kind of get them in on
Speaker 1: there and having a good look at what's going on
Speaker 1: under the hood there. This is for my Nintendo News
Speaker 1: who is relaying this from Digital Foundry. The knowledgeable, tech
Speaker 1: focused team at Digital Foundry have been examining the Nintendo
Speaker 1: switch to in the recent analysis and have concluded that
Speaker 1: Nintendo's next generation system is roughly on par with Sony's
Speaker 1: PlayStation four console. This means that we will be treated
Speaker 1: with a PlayStation four visual experience in the palm of
Speaker 1: our hands with third party titles Citrus Final, Fantasy Seven, Rebirth, Hogwarts, Legacy,
Speaker 1: and Cyberpunk at twenty seventy seven. The leaked specifications before
Speaker 1: the console was revealed hinted that we should spect around
Speaker 1: PlayStation four levels of hardware power. Nintendo Switch two launches
Speaker 1: allegedly on June fifth. Here's the quote from them, and
Speaker 1: there's like some extra stuff we can sprinkle on top
Speaker 1: as we get to the end of this. But they said,
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, it's helpful to think of the switch to
Speaker 1: as kind of, like, you know, roughly a PS four
Speaker 1: level system in terms of comparable titles, but it can
Speaker 1: do so much more in terms of storage, spoke, graphical features,
Speaker 1: and possibly the CPU is also faster the presentation in
Speaker 1: PS four levels or thereabouts for Final for Final Fantasies
Speaker 1: seven remake, so broadly speaking, quite comparable to PS four,
Speaker 1: if not actually a bit more of a favorable experience
Speaker 1: compared to the PS four And then they said switch
Speaker 1: to as a first generation ballpark, so to speak, PS
Speaker 1: four is a very good comparison point. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think what they're really getting at here, Jason
Speaker 1: is not actually just explicitly saying the switch to is
Speaker 1: as powerful as a PlayStation four. They're saying PlayStation four
Speaker 1: games are what you should expect in terms of quality
Speaker 1: on switch to two. And then it should actually be
Speaker 1: quite easier for some developers to get their games running
Speaker 1: even the RPS four level on the switch to because
Speaker 1: of improvements to storage, and specifically that CPU. You know,
Speaker 1: I have an old video on my YouTube channel where
Speaker 1: I talk about where I basically just trash the Xbox
Speaker 1: one and the PS four as a terrible generation for
Speaker 1: hardware because it was specifically because those CPUs were essentially
Speaker 1: out of netbooks. They were just the cheapest CPUs they
Speaker 1: could find at the time that really made any sense,
Speaker 1: and they were not really catering to games in any
Speaker 1: real way. They certainly were not catering to the future
Speaker 1: of what could be possible in games. And thankfully that
Speaker 1: got all turned around with the PS five and the
Speaker 1: Xbox series X and S, which all have very nice
Speaker 1: CPUs in them. So that CPU alone is going to
Speaker 1: make quite a bit of a difference. And then I
Speaker 1: think also the like memory bandwidth should be quite a
Speaker 1: bit better on the switch to compared to a PS four.
Speaker 1: So just kind of across the board, developers are used
Speaker 1: to making games four PS four and Xbox one. Still
Speaker 1: a lot of them still do that, especially on the
Speaker 1: ND side, but kind of across the I mean, ea,
Speaker 1: just in the last few months, for did Star Wars
Speaker 1: Jedi fallen order to or survivor excuse me, to Xbox
Speaker 1: one and PS four, and so the studios are used
Speaker 1: to this and the switch to coming through and be
Speaker 1: like hey, and now also include us. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think studios are going to bat an eye at that.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. I think when we
Speaker 2: talk about how Nintendo tends to be a generation behind
Speaker 2: and in terms of technology from Xbox in PlayStation and
Speaker 2: while that has its inherent disadvantages by being you know,
Speaker 2: not as technically impressive, things like this are actually a
Speaker 2: very interesting boon. Like these companies, as you said, are
Speaker 2: ready to already ready to develop. They just have to
Speaker 2: figure out Nintendo's specific architecture and how to develop for
Speaker 2: that architecture. Once that's done, their machines are already in place.
Speaker 2: It's not like a brand new PlayStation five where there's
Speaker 2: that onboarding time that Mark Cerney talked about in that
Speaker 2: one road to PS five article video back in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty road to what I remember what he calls it
Speaker 2: a time something I don't remember, but basically to get
Speaker 2: up to get the teams up to speed. How it
Speaker 2: used to be years, then it was months, and then
Speaker 2: they're trying to have it like one month or PS
Speaker 2: five for Switch To, it might not be that long.
Speaker 2: We could be talking about a month or two months
Speaker 2: before they're fully firing because of this PS four slightly
Speaker 2: maybe a little above architecture that it has, and I
Speaker 2: think that is a smart way to do it. Nintendo
Speaker 2: has always cared more about gameplay experience over flashy graphics,
Speaker 2: even though they do achieve that sometimes, particularly in first party.
Speaker 2: So if you're making it easier for the third parties
Speaker 2: to get on board and Final Fantasy seven, Rebirth, Cyberpunk
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seventy seven, and another game that shall not
Speaker 2: be named pun intended are examples that you were named here. Sure,
Speaker 2: I think they're already off to a good start. Let's
Speaker 2: start seeing the annual sports games we already mentioned MADD
Speaker 2: and FC were coming. Let's see if maybe MLB the
Speaker 2: I would love to see in MLB the Show on
Speaker 2: Switch Too. I think that would be awesome as long
Speaker 2: as they keep getting those annual titles. I think the
Speaker 2: Switch Too is in a good spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean motion is relative, right, so as the
Speaker 1: industry advances and was like moving like a forward by
Speaker 1: getting bigger, better CPUs, GPUs, better graphics and Nintendo was
Speaker 1: staying behind. Really it's been compressed because the front runners
Speaker 1: have had to kind of be like, well, there's not
Speaker 1: much more we can do. We can only squeeze so
Speaker 1: much more out of these new processors. We have hit
Speaker 1: diminishing returns very hard, and so the industry has kind
Speaker 1: of moved towards Nintendo in a way where now they're
Speaker 1: here making a system that's PS four level that you
Speaker 1: can hold in your hand, and clearly that's going to
Speaker 1: be good enough for a very long time. Like that is,
Speaker 1: I think the industry will be happy to continue making
Speaker 1: games at a PS four speck so they can keep
Speaker 1: budgets under wraps and under under control to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're going to have exceptions to that with
Speaker 1: your rock stars, your naughty dogs that have unlimited like
Speaker 1: you know, a number of checks in their checkbook where
Speaker 1: they can just write blank checks for every thing, and
Speaker 1: their games will cost two hundred to three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars, if not more. But that's that's a
Speaker 1: couple of studios. Now. The vast majority of studios are like,
Speaker 1: can we get something done or thirty to sixty million
Speaker 1: dollars and if we do that we should maybe be
Speaker 1: aiming at the widest possible audience, not maybe we definitely
Speaker 1: should be. And that is going to mean originally it
Speaker 1: did mean just PS four. Let's just make sure it's
Speaker 1: on the PS four. And now as the PS four
Speaker 1: really is kind of aging out, the switch to will
Speaker 1: be there to kind of catch that group of developers
Speaker 1: that are ready to keep doing at that point. And
Speaker 1: that's like not even getting into the specifics of the
Speaker 1: switch to itself. You said the developers have to get
Speaker 1: up to speed. You know, we've already heard from a
Speaker 1: couple of developers I think for Axis was saying that
Speaker 1: they really liked working with the switch to for Civilization seven,
Speaker 1: Like they were like, we had a really good experience,
Speaker 1: and you know, at this point we don't. You can't
Speaker 1: really take all that at face value, maybe a grain
Speaker 1: of salt. The ones that are complaining probably aren't allowed
Speaker 1: to say anything for one thing, and two wouldn't want
Speaker 1: too cause they don't want to piss off Nintendo. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, like, in this moment, choose to hope that
Speaker 1: the switch to is easy to work with, because I
Speaker 1: think that'll be a really good thing for Nintendo. To present.
Speaker 1: It's like Switch To a lot like the Switch one.
Speaker 1: What can we do here make it easier to work with?
Speaker 1: If that was a focus, that's really going to help
Speaker 1: the Switch to. I think keep a lot of the
Speaker 1: momentum that the Switch one had, and then DLSS on
Speaker 1: top of that could be even better. Which you know,
Speaker 1: we have not really seen developers just come out and
Speaker 1: be like, here's what what d LSS is enabling. But
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking that it's just something that just happens
Speaker 1: on that console, Like every game on the system probably
Speaker 1: just has DLSS at a certain point, and if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of games coming to it very soon
Speaker 1: that like already have it on PC that would just
Speaker 1: be able to take advantage of it. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: still excited for this thing. I hope one day to
Speaker 1: buy one.
Speaker 2: Yes, me too, And I hope it doesn't cost me
Speaker 2: the same as a car payment, but you know or no,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, a mortgage payment. Car payment would be nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I I I don't know, man, I just it's hard
Speaker 2: for me to get fully excited until I have all
Speaker 2: the information right. Like once, once they pulled the pre orders,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, man, I was so excited for
Speaker 2: that after our targo.
Speaker 1: From the UK yesterday. Did you for posted not? And
Speaker 1: couldn't get it in my cart fast enough?
Speaker 2: Oh man. So that's a window into what's going to
Speaker 2: happen when it finally hits here, no matter what price
Speaker 2: it is, Honestly it could be eight hundred bucks and
Speaker 2: I still think it's going to be tough. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: fine with this technology report. I'm not playing switch To,
Speaker 2: like I said, for top of the line graphics or
Speaker 2: you know, visual fidelity. I'm playing switch To to be
Speaker 2: a monkey and bash a bunch of mountains, put holes
Speaker 2: in mountains, and go on a bonanza. So it works
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get through the rest of these stories.
Speaker 1: Grow fast here. Nintendo switch To GameCube controller has one
Speaker 1: major limitation. This is from Darren bonf Use at GameSpot.
Speaker 1: A new GameCube controller will launch alongside the Nintendo Switch
Speaker 1: to console in June, but don't expect this device to
Speaker 1: work on anything but classic GameCube titles. While the NES,
Speaker 1: Super NES and Genesis controllers can be used on more
Speaker 1: games than just the ones they were intended for, depending
Speaker 1: on the inputs required, the GameCube controller will be the exception.
Speaker 1: That's according to the disclaimer from the GameCube Classics reveal
Speaker 1: trailer from the Nintendo April direct as spotted by VGC,
Speaker 1: which reads, the controller is only compatible with the Nintendo
Speaker 1: GameCube Nintendo Classics. The fine print reads, Now this is
Speaker 1: only worth bringing up because it's really weird because if
Speaker 1: you have the like the I think it's the GameCube
Speaker 1: controller adapter, and you can plug that in your switch somehow,
Speaker 1: I think over USB. I think that was made for
Speaker 1: other devices, but I think it works on switch. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how it works, but I know Dan
Speaker 1: has done it recently where he plugged in a shoot
Speaker 1: WaveBird into his switch using this adapter to play Metroid
Speaker 1: Prime Remaster, which is not a GameCube classic game. It's
Speaker 1: a updates a switch game, a Switch version of a
Speaker 1: GameCube game, but a switch game. And it just automatically
Speaker 1: mapped that original GameCube controller to all all the right
Speaker 1: controls so you could play it with that. So what
Speaker 1: the hell has happened? Like, are people not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to really use this for Super Smash Brothers Ultimate?
Speaker 1: That's good, people are going to want to do that.
Speaker 1: That's very strange.
Speaker 2: And is very strange. I don't know why they wouldn't
Speaker 2: I get I guess maybe they were afraid that the
Speaker 2: abnormal layout of the GameCube controller might cause general issues,
Speaker 2: or they are.
Speaker 1: They if they buttons in a different spot for sure.
Speaker 2: Right, the Nintendo is the kind of company where if
Speaker 2: it doesn't translate one hundred percent perfectly, if it doesn't
Speaker 2: work one hundred percent perfectly to their expectations, they just
Speaker 2: don't put it in at all. And I think that's
Speaker 2: where a lot of these weird decisions come from. And
Speaker 2: this just sounds like it's in that range of it's
Speaker 2: not going to map perfectly every single time, so we're
Speaker 2: not going to try it at all. That is weird.
Speaker 2: It's very weird. I would rather have the opportunity to
Speaker 2: at least try. But excuse me, I guess it's the
Speaker 2: controller adapter that you mentioned. That's what we're going to
Speaker 2: have to do. Yeah, real weird. I think I think
Speaker 2: they just lost me. Like I was, I was gonna
Speaker 2: get one of those, but like, what's the point if
Speaker 2: I could just use the normal joy cons? And like,
Speaker 2: I don't the the GameCube experience is not defined by
Speaker 2: its controller. Its controller is different and it's and it's
Speaker 2: interesting to hold. But if I can control the wind
Speaker 2: Waker the same way using the joy cons while I'm
Speaker 2: playing in you know, handheld mode, what the hell do
Speaker 2: I need the GameCube controller for?
Speaker 1: Yeah? This this is weird because consbat is this is
Speaker 1: this true? It has a z L button, so ZL
Speaker 1: would be the extra left bumper button, which is not
Speaker 1: on the original GameCube controller. That why what what? What? Why?
Speaker 1: Would I guess maybe for using the menu interface on switch.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's going to be necessary for that. I don't know. This,
Speaker 1: this is very strange. All right, Mario Kart World will
Speaker 1: bring back the franchise's most iconic track. It appears just
Speaker 1: from any mccooat game Spot. Really, people have been just
Speaker 1: like coming through these trailers, fine and everything. People saw Pauline, right,
Speaker 1: and the Donkey Kung Bonanza yes or whatever wild, Yes,
Speaker 1: some cool stuff. It's like young Pauline. I think it's Pauline.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Mario Kart World. People have spotted what looks
Speaker 1: like Rainbow Road, which they have not shown off yet.
Speaker 1: I guess spoilers. But if you weren't expecting Rainbow Road
Speaker 1: in Mario Kart World, I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: That's on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just that's a weird thing to not expect.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but they're clearly holding stuff back. I wonder
Speaker 1: if there will be other hidden tracks that they aren't
Speaker 1: showing off, or like maybe the map like goes beyond
Speaker 1: the current borders. Maybe not, but at the very least
Speaker 1: they're holding some things back. And then Disney Illusion Island
Speaker 1: starring Mickey and Friends is coming to PS five, Xbox
Speaker 1: Series and PC on May thirtieth, alongside the Cash update.
Speaker 1: This is from Sal Ramano at Gamatsu. Publisher, Disney Interactive
Speaker 1: and developer De La Las Studios will release side scrolling
Speaker 1: full four player cooperative platform or Disney Illusion Island starring
Speaker 1: Mickey and Friends for those aforementioned consoles, as well on PCVA, Steam,
Speaker 1: gog and Microsoft Store on May thirtieth for thirty dollars,
Speaker 1: alongside the Cave Adventuring Scavenger Hunt Cash starring Scrooge McDuck.
Speaker 1: The company's announced a physical addition will be available on
Speaker 1: May thirtieth into North North America and June twenty seventh
Speaker 1: in Europe. This is that you know, long time it's
Speaker 1: been a Switch exclusive. You can only get it on switch.
Speaker 1: Now it's coming to PC and all the other consoles.
Speaker 1: I like this game. It is a four player Metroidvana
Speaker 1: with no real combat, so it was really good to
Speaker 1: play with the family. I was a big fan of it.
Speaker 1: So glad. It's glad other people are going to get
Speaker 1: the chance to play. I was actually getting worried that
Speaker 1: it's say, oh, that looked like a failed experiment and
Speaker 1: they're just going to like let it languish on the switch.
Speaker 1: But nope, it looks like it's going to make the jump.
Speaker 1: So that's very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I've played of it, I agree. It was
Speaker 2: perfect to play with with the kids because normally metro
Speaker 2: Vania's are really tough. Yet I know where you're going
Speaker 2: about comment this thing. They adapted immediately. The biggest the
Speaker 2: biggest fight we have was who was going to be Goofy,
Speaker 2: which I'll take that. If they can get through the
Speaker 2: game and figure out who's going to be who that
Speaker 2: that works for me. I love the Scrooge McDuck is
Speaker 2: get in love. Anytime I see Duckdale's of Scrooge McDuck,
Speaker 2: I am in that's that's really cool. I'm glad there's
Speaker 2: an expansion in general for this. I'm glad that there
Speaker 2: are they are, like you said, going to go through
Speaker 2: with it. It's just not just going to sit there. Did
Speaker 2: they change the name too, starring Mickey and Friends? I
Speaker 2: don't think was always there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's like the new version, like how
Speaker 2: they changed between Illusion Island and then Mickey and Friends.
Speaker 2: But you get cool, I dig it.
Speaker 1: All right, that's going to do it for the headlines.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the poll question that we posed to
Speaker 1: everybody on Monday after I got those prints per blue
Speaker 1: Prints reviews, not plints. That's a different game blue Prints reviews,
Speaker 1: although maybe I'll start calling it plints. YE asked her, Hey,
Speaker 1: are you more excited after after those reviews? And sixty
Speaker 1: nine percent of respondents said yes, they are more excited
Speaker 1: after seeing all the reviews. Thirty one percent said no,
Speaker 1: there's some people in the comments, so hey, where's the
Speaker 1: what is blue Princes button? I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't know what blue Prince is, you could
Speaker 1: just no. That would that should be a response that
Speaker 1: you're not more interested in it. But yeah, it feels
Speaker 1: like this game is catching that wave right now and
Speaker 1: will hit very hard here when it comes out later
Speaker 1: this week. I think it's out tomorrow. I want to
Speaker 1: say it's Outrerow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I am on day eight, slowly making my way through,
Speaker 2: and the elegance of this game's design is absolutely out
Speaker 2: of this world. And when I say that, I mean
Speaker 2: it's complicated enough that you or I are looking for
Speaker 2: every little piece of meta lore and where it goes
Speaker 2: and what have you. And my six year old, who's
Speaker 2: been homesick the last two days finally went back to
Speaker 2: school today, is like, Daddy, put this room here, because
Speaker 2: you want to make a dead end, Daddy, you can
Speaker 2: get the whole back. So she's building this house with
Speaker 2: me just based on how the pants go. She don't
Speaker 2: know what the hell's going on on the outside.
Speaker 1: I show her the box.
Speaker 2: Uh thing and she's like, how do you know that box? Lies?
Speaker 2: I said, you have to read the messages and put
Speaker 2: them all together. Damn it didn't She solve one.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: All by herself. I said, this is what this says.
Speaker 2: One of them was blank, so it was a little
Speaker 2: bit easier, but this is what this says. This is
Speaker 2: what this says, and this one's blank, where do you
Speaker 2: think it is? And she went and she pointed at it,
Speaker 2: and there they were. The gems couldn't maybe smarter than me,
Speaker 2: and she's six years old. So yeah, you can vote
Speaker 2: for yes. A's a one hundred percent true every single
Speaker 2: platitude this game has received it deserves, And if you
Speaker 2: are not excited to play it yet, what the hell
Speaker 2: are you waiting for?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Dan, I think Dan finally got credits last night.
Speaker 1: I I've been I been continuing to play long after credits.
Speaker 1: I've got more days now, I think than I had
Speaker 1: that it took. Then it took me to get to credits.
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, or I'm getting close to like day
Speaker 1: ninety or whatever, so it's close. But I just discovered
Speaker 1: something like I made another breakthrough and it played a
Speaker 1: cut scene that I wasn't expecting. But I was playing
Speaker 1: on the steam deck and the cut scene broke so
Speaker 1: I couldn't see anything, and I'm like, ah, no, okay,
Speaker 1: close the game, don't save. I need to go play
Speaker 1: this so I could see it pursued on the PC.
Speaker 1: So and of course now I'm trying to get that
Speaker 1: run again. So I could see this thing again, and
Speaker 1: I have not been able to get the RNG to
Speaker 1: work with me, so I could see it again. So
Speaker 1: it's oh, oh, man, get to there eventually again. And
Speaker 1: that's just like one of the many mini puzzles I'm
Speaker 1: still working on. There's so many things that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I saw this safe earlier and I got confused, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll check back in once I learned some more.
Speaker 1: I still haven't learned more, so I'm like, I must
Speaker 1: be missing something, and it's like, oh, it's time to
Speaker 1: check all my notes. And really, that's just a bunch
Speaker 1: of screenshots of the in game notes again. So yeah,
Speaker 1: might be time to start actually writing things down, I think,
Speaker 1: but I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, if you do play the game, for those of
Speaker 2: you in the chat are going to get it tomorrow,
Speaker 2: beware the Room of Mirrors or whatever it's called. That
Speaker 2: mirror room. I hate that room so much. I thought
Speaker 2: it was a bunch of switches, a bunch of mirrors.
Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna hit the button, it was
Speaker 2: gonna let me through. It opened one up, one on
Speaker 2: the whole other side, and dead end.
Speaker 1: I was doing so well, I got all the sides
Speaker 1: on that and then I'm like, and I was able
Speaker 1: to hit the button in the middle, and I still
Speaker 1: don't know what. I'm like, wait did that do something?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's what I'm like? Looking around? I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's that's that game. But Sambodice is asking,
Speaker 1: is is it overwhelming? I think at certain points, but
Speaker 1: there's always you can always like go work on something
Speaker 1: that you understand more so I think you kind of
Speaker 1: like weave your way around any problems. So no, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's ever overwhelming. And it's fun to like
Speaker 1: get a group together in discord and like share like
Speaker 1: tiny little hints, like the littlest things like hey, have
Speaker 1: you looked at this? And so am I looking at
Speaker 1: the right thing? That sort of thing.
Speaker 2: In the beginning, I will say, the hardest thing is
Speaker 2: budgeting your steps, yeah, making sure you have enough steps
Speaker 2: to go backtrack when.
Speaker 1: Resource management, Yeah, enough steps, And then getting enough keys
Speaker 1: and gyms so that you can open the locked doors
Speaker 1: later in the run, and if you have enough gems,
Speaker 1: getting certain rooms that you really want that have a
Speaker 1: gem cost attached to them, not like you'll have options
Speaker 1: that aren't that don't have a gem cost, but some
Speaker 1: of the better rooms will and if you don't have gems,
Speaker 1: you just like, oh, I can't even select that thing
Speaker 1: even though I really need it. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: get a gat end here. So yeah, it's all about
Speaker 1: playing your cards right so that you can kind of
Speaker 1: manage the what's it called in like the in Hearthstone,
Speaker 1: the power curve or whatever, the economic curve. I can't
Speaker 1: remember how people talk about in terms of card games,
Speaker 1: but yes, Mattith curve. Yeah, you sort of just want
Speaker 1: to balance your resources gingerly over time. It's the whole
Speaker 1: thing you learn, but you get pretty good at it.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: All right, we've got a new poll question. We'll get
Speaker 1: to it here in a second. Jason Fonelli, tell people
Speaker 1: where they can find you on the internet.
Speaker 2: I am at Big Man Finelle on my Blue Sky.
Speaker 2: You can see that blow me there Big Man Finale
Speaker 2: basically anywhere and everywhere, but I'm mostly active on Blue
Speaker 2: Sky these days and the occasional Instagram story. Like I said,
Speaker 2: Game I got code to review two days ago. I'll
Speaker 2: have a bunch of coverage on that leading up to
Speaker 2: its launch. Very excited about all that, writing news for
Speaker 2: game Spot and yeah, just getting ready for Summer games
Speaker 2: Fest when we can all hang out in high five.
Speaker 1: Yep, looking forward to it, looking forward to seeing in person.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, new poll question, if you can't afford
Speaker 1: to switch to, what do you want to say to Nintendo?
Speaker 1: I'll keep playing Switch one, thank you, which is apparently
Speaker 1: something that Doug Bowser was telling people yesterday. Or drop
Speaker 1: the price. I wonder what's gonna win. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I'll keep playing Switch one. That's very up there with uh,
Speaker 2: don't you all have phones?
Speaker 1: Yes, don't you have phones? Or dull don Matrik he
Speaker 1: We have a product for people who can't play the
Speaker 1: Xbox One because it's always conected to the Internet. It's
Speaker 1: called Xbox three sixty. You know what. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do instead of getting a switch to, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back and play some more Xbox three sixty. All right.
Speaker 1: That pole question is gonna go up on YouTube dot
Speaker 1: com slash at giant Bomb under the community tab. There
Speaker 1: you'll be able to vote. We'll get the results of
Speaker 1: that here on Game Breaking News and discuss it as
Speaker 1: part of the Power Block tomorrow. Speaking of the Power Blocks,
Speaker 1: stay tuned. Over Grub is up next with Light Club returns.
Speaker 1: Pepo's dead, so what's the point anymore?
Speaker 2: Praears up for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pears up. We'll get in there and figure that out.
Speaker 1: And then right after that, me, jan Dan and Mike
Speaker 1: are gonna be playing Monaco two and my understanding is
Speaker 1: we're going to be playing it like simultaneously against kind
Speaker 1: of funny So it's gonna be a head to head back.
Speaker 1: That'll be at three pm Eastern noon Pacific time, So
Speaker 1: stay tuned to the Power Block. We're gonna get all
Speaker 1: that right after this. In the meantime, Jason Finelli, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for hanging out with me today and
Speaker 1: talking about video games. Man, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, my man. Enjoy it, enjoy the rest
Speaker 2: of your day, and mourn Pepot correctly and however you can.
Speaker 2: And I hope over Grub is a resounding success.
Speaker 1: Five booms for Pepo. Absolutely all right, everybody, thanks for watching.
Speaker 1: Until next time, have a good one, take care of yourself,
Speaker 1: and goodbye quarterback all right, p Po