Speaker 1: The paranormal, zufos, monsters, mysteries that you're listening to Talking
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Speaker 2: Host, doctor Dean Bertram.
Speaker 3: Who.
Speaker 4: Greetings on my fellow weirdos and weird ads. Welcome to
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night live thank you, greetings. I'm so glad you're here
and you've decided to join me for tonight. I'm sorry
if I sound a little congested or more nasal than
usual tonight. I don't know what it is that I
have ever had any problems with allergies when I lived
in America for the first ten or more years. But
maybe I've been exposed so much now this spring. The
congestion I have is crazy. Maybe some of you have
a cure. Maybe some of you who are used to
these kind of northern allergies can drop me a hint
or two in the chat. I sure would appreciate it,
but I'm not going to let my sinuses and my
allergies get me down tonight because I'm so happy. I'm
so excited to have to have the guests back. We've
had him on before. He's a multifactitate, a multifaceted. He
has had rather a multifaceted career in the entertainment arts worlds.
He trained in NYC under the esteemed William Alderson in
the Meisner technique. His journey stage film and visual arts,
and he returns to the show to chat about his
gest release feature film, The Sascologist, which is absolutely fantastic
and at won the Parma Dior Award at the festival
I run Midwest Weird Fest. Not this last festival, which
was the twenty twenty sixth one, but in twenty twenty
five one that award, and rightfully so. It's amazing it's
available now, to have been on the fest circuit for
like the last year, finally available to watch. We're going
to be talking about it tonight. Anybody who listens, watches,
listens to a watches this show is going to adore it.
It's it's critics are already hailing at the best Bigfoot
movie ever made, and they think it is. It's just
it's amazing and looks at because not only doesn't look
at the Bigfoot mystery, it looks at the people who
are obsessed with the mystery. And it's funny and it's
clever and it's just a heartwarming ride. At any rate,
I'm delighted to welcome back to Talking Weird the director
and star of this asquologist, Joseph Grander. Hey, greetings, Oh
are yeah, man, it's it's good to get to talk
to you again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good to see you.
Speaker 3: I guess last time I saw you it was I
think it was eight degrees and I was walking back
from the final screening of my film and in winning
the Palmador, And what was great was learning about what
the award was in.
Speaker 5: The history of the of the man behind it and
all that. So that was really cool.
Speaker 4: Oh thank you. Yeah, I think as most listeners and
viewers of the show, no, I'm I'm a massive fan
of Raymond A. Palmer, and he was probably this State's
most important person ever in the sci fi and the
supernatural and the paranorm on the cryptosoological, even because some
of the early Fate issues touched on those things too,
And indeed the parm of dor is to kind of
recognize that the the partmer and his influence and his
legacy and remember the man, and also to award excellence
in the field to day and your film certainly deserves that, Joseph,
as as do you. And it was a great joy
having you at that first You were such a wonderful guest.
You got to do the David Lynch, a rais Ahead
retrospective Royal screen for Lynch with me too, because because
you were you knew David and you used to be
roommate of his daughter, Jennifer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was It was great that they
that you were shown. That's such a such a great film.
They don't make them like that anymore. Yeah, so, yeah,
she was. We were roommates for a while up in
the Hollywood Hills when I was out there plent the
pavement and trying to get work.
Speaker 5: As an actor, screenwriter, whatever you could do.
Speaker 4: Well, now not only you an actor screenwriter, you're saw
a director, which is amazing and that's what I think.
That's one of the great things about the sisquoalgists, and
certainly one of the great things about having you at
Midwest Weirdfest and having you introduce it because the audience
are always even more excited when the guests they're introducing
appears on the screen. You know what I mean is
that that that immediately it's not just the director or
the writer or producer or whatever, is the person they
get to watch for an hour and a half. So
that was a real treat having you there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great and it was such
a great, great crowd.
Speaker 5: You know, like I said.
Speaker 3: Before, last year, I went to four Bigfoot festivals and
show it and I went to eight film festivals and
hands down, and I've been to hundreds of film festives
throughout my thirty something on career year career, and hands down,
independently wise yours, the Midwest Weird Fest was the best.
Speaker 4: Wow, just the.
Speaker 5: Location, the camaraderie of all that.
Speaker 3: I'm still I've made friends with some of the filmmakers
I met there. I still talked to them because you know,
when you make films at this level, you really need community,
you really need to back each other up.
Speaker 5: And just you know what, it reminded me of It reminded.
Speaker 3: Me of in nineteen ninety four, I started a film
called Amongst Friends that was at the sun Dance Film
Festival when it was the last year that it really
had that independent spirit of bootstrap filmmaking.
Speaker 5: And people who weren't famous and stuff.
Speaker 3: And that's really the vibe that you get at your
film festival, the Midwest weird.
Speaker 4: Fest that I can't even I got shields when you
told me that, I can't even kind even believe the
kindness of your words. It's funny though, speaking about comparisons
to Sundance. You were the second person who had a
film at Sundance who told me that Mark Polish we
did a film he directed and wrote maybe a couple
of years before before we did this Aschologist, and he
of course was in Twin Falls, Idaho with his brother
and they were they were a big deal at Sundance,
and he said, this town and this festival is what
Sundance used to be like when it was still Indian cool.
I went, thank you.
Speaker 3: So you want to know the irony of that is
I live nine miles east of Boulder, Colorado, and next
year that's where the Sundance Film Festival is taking place.
Speaker 5: From now on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fascinating that they've moved. What's the feeling in
the industry over there about the move of the festival.
Speaker 5: Oh, they're really excited here and they're in Boulder because
they're all going to make a bunch of money renting
their homes out for twenty five grand for a week.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: I bet.
Speaker 3: The same cultural vibe that Sun Dance did. But I
think the people in Sundance just got tired of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably, I wonder, if I'm not even I don't
even know. Was that why they moved? Because the people
didn't the locals didn't want it there anymore? Did the
festival think gold it would be better.
Speaker 3: I think it had something to do with, you know,
Robert Redford passing away, and I think you know, I'd
been there, It'd been there for thirty years or more,
so I think the town was kind of.
Speaker 5: Fed up with it.
Speaker 4: Huh. That's that is interesting. You know. The sad thing
is I never got to Sundance when it was its
original location. Mind you, I don't think my understanding is
the chance of you submitting an independent film to that
festival these days and being selected is pretty slim. Unless
you've unless you've already got sales agents and stars or
studios or something attached the cold submission process. I've never
known anybody these days who's done a old submission to
Sundance and got into Sundance.
Speaker 5: No, it's a it's an industry thing now.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Let's get to the Aschologists, because I know that's
what everybody here wants to hear about. Anybody in the
the the chat, who has any questions, please do fire them,
fire them off. We haven't somebody else in the chat
saying his brother's a playwright and love and love Sundance.
He's seventy four. He probably got there in the good
old days that Joseph and Mark Polish have told me about.
Did you would you like me to play the trailer
for the s Asquologists before we start talking about it.
Speaker 3: And people can get an idea of its tone and
tenor and and maybe even get a laugh.
Speaker 5: Out of it tonight?
Speaker 4: Okay? I will. And I ripped this from YouTube just
minutes before the show, so the quality should be fine.
I bet you the quality on YouTube will be high.
The reason I don't like playing straight from YouTube is
off and you get staggering. So anybody who and anybody
who's listening to the show now and wants to see
the trailer, they're just listening to the audio only version
of the show. I do have a link to the
trailer in the show notes as well, So if you
go to the show notes where if you're watching this
or listening to it you can, you can certainly watch
it there as well. There's also links in the show notes,
as we'll get to is where you can watch the
full film, as well as where you can visit the
website for this asquologist. So now the.
Speaker 5: Trailer, everybody, can you all hear me? Okay? Yes, yes, good?
Speaker 3: Because when squatching, your ears are more important than your eyes.
Speaker 4: What exactly are we're looking for?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 1: But bigger?
Speaker 4: You're the big fer guy, something like that?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 4: What are you looking at?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Kid?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 5: It was wild man who it's a black bear.
Speaker 2: It's not smellings.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to smell I smell it. Why do
you hate people? I don't hate people. I just better
when they're not around.
Speaker 6: If it's just a warm body you want, maybe you
should screw that monkey of yours.
Speaker 2: It's not a monkey.
Speaker 6: It's an a lot of time.
Speaker 5: Earlier is odd time. All the time is late and
late as never. Is that what you're wearing? Yeah, we're
not partners.
Speaker 4: You were my shirt.
Speaker 6: People should get to know their shirts.
Speaker 2: That's not squatch.
Speaker 4: Squatch smells like asks?
Speaker 5: What smells like? It's a figure's peaches. Yes, he's the
sound pat sounds like a conspiracy theory here.
Speaker 3: That's him, Big God.
Speaker 5: I wish I had a choke him.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't get a good photo anyways?
Speaker 1: Why is that pay?
Speaker 5: But it's blurry?
Speaker 4: You're an idiot.
Speaker 5: Supernats of forces are keep making you from knowing the truth.
You're not going away, are you? Do you ever think
about leaving this place?
Speaker 6: I used to think, well, if you stayed in one
place long enough, everything you wanted would eventually come to you.
That thing is going to drive you mad.
Speaker 1: It's missing.
Speaker 5: For one one, it was a portal to another realm.
Speaker 4: No, it's got to be some other explanation.
Speaker 3: Has Big Fat ever killed anyone?
Speaker 5: Unfortunately?
Speaker 4: No, who's trying to kill us?
Speaker 5: Well, imagine the data that would bring. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 2: You gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker 5: This way.
Speaker 4: So great, Joe, Thanks, So I get maybe the best
place to jump off. The conversation is what made you
want to make a feature film about not just big Foot,
but really about the Bigfoot community and the controversies in
the community. It really encapsulates so much. So did you
did you already have an interest in Bigfoot? Were you
already aware of the community? Maybe just feel us in
how this film came to be.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, listen, my my knowledge of Bigfoot was
very general, like everybody else, you know, T shirts and
be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I sure am. I was just giving you the
floor if I disappear, I should have told you. I'm
just giving you the floor. I figure you'll tell a
story for a little bit. They don't need to see
my ugly face. They can watch you to I'm.
Speaker 5: Looking at the camera anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know what it's what the what it's
really about is.
Speaker 5: To be My father left when I was ten years old, and.
Speaker 3: That sort of sets a young man off on a
quest to find that sort of replacement and that sort
of empty space.
Speaker 5: And you know, a lot of my life was sort
of filling that space with it.
Speaker 3: And that's because when you write a film, it should
come from something personal, even though it ultimately becomes a.
Speaker 5: Universal theme for people of loss and longing. And then.
Speaker 3: So I started, I started interviewing squatchers out here in Colorado,
and I went out with this very, very mustard seed
of an idea, and this guy told me his whole
life as I spent the day up in Bailey's squatching
with him.
Speaker 5: I mean, I learned everything about him, and at the
end of the.
Speaker 3: Day I had this connection that I didn't share at
that point, and I said, do you think that maybe
you're just out here looking for your old man?
Speaker 5: And he just thought, wow, I never thought that.
Speaker 3: And so that's the real genesis in the core of it.
It's a film that is the longing for loss. I
know that sounds very serious, but it's not. But it's
ultimately in this search for Bigfoot and this older expert
sasquatch tracker taking a young protege with him to learn
the ways of squatching. Now, the conflict in that is
that the old man, the older man is very grounded
in science and he's an apor and the young kid
he's got a UFO hat and he's really into the wu.
Speaker 5: And so that's the general conflict, and throughout that they
have to really find.
Speaker 3: What it is they're looking for, not just in themselves,
but in answers to which side of that camp of
the squatch community that they're in. And what I did
as I wrote this and then as I prepared and
researched the part, is I really immersed myself with the
Bigfoot community and I read every book you could possibly
think of.
Speaker 5: So when you see the movie, if you know.
Speaker 3: Everything about Bigfoot, it's going to be reaffirmed with historical
and scientific facts, both on the scientific side and then
on the more metaphysical side, because I hung out with
both of those camps, And if you don't know anything
about Bigfoot, you're going to walk away with a PhD
in sasquatchology.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a film that really feels like it was
made by somebody with an incredible handle and an incredible
background in this topic. So you clearly you clearly did
your homework. Like if I knew nothing about what you
just said, I would assume it was made by somebody
and written by somebody who had been a Bigfoot fan
from like you know, from day one, and had been
in the community forever, because it really just encapitulates everything.
Like you said, when you were, and we'll get to
some other respects because I want to talk about the casting,
I want to talk about the music, I want to
talk about all kinds of things. But when you started
to get a sense of that type of some of
the different approaches or the schism in the Bigfoot community,
because I know you're very aware of it, the Bigfoot
in the community, who are people or rapers or people
who are woo, did you start to feel more of
a did you lean towards one way or more yourself for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good question because as I researched it,
I've vacillated on it, because as I was writing, I
had to sort of reached both sides because as I
met as I met both of these groups, I wanted
to be able to be lighthearted but respectful to what
people believe about about this because as you know, some
people take this subject very seriously and listen, there's worse
things that people could be doing in today's world then
hiking through the forest looking for something that may or
may not be there, that maybe the ether or maybe
a gigantopithecus.
Speaker 5: So that was my goal.
Speaker 3: It didn't initially fall on one way or the other however,
I operate out of a Christian worldview, so so that
leads me towards miracles and supernatural and things beyond this
world that can't be explained. And so I would have
to say today that I end up more on the
wou side. I would say if I had, if if
a gun were held in my head, I would have
to say that it's some sort of demon trickster to
keep people from going to church on Sunday, that it
has the ability to sort of come in and.
Speaker 5: Out of actual form.
Speaker 3: That's really that's really where I land based on some
of the some of the people that I interviewed that
you know, I talked to a neurosurgeon who was hiking
with a buddy twenty miles in in Washington State, and
there's nothing in it for him, but tell me this story.
But you know, they saw they took pictures. I saw
him of these big footprints that just all of.
Speaker 5: A sudden just end.
Speaker 3: They just end, like like the thing was just like
leaped into the air or something. So and this guy's
not a squatcher, he's not a squatter today, but he
was like he got a hold of me as I
was going through this process, I put the word out
that I was doing research on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that a good friend of mine, Joshua
Cutcheon and Timothy ran I, wrote two books a number
of years ago, Part one and part two, called Where
the Footprints End. I think with the time of those books,
they're great books, and they really they really get into
they get into the type of things you're talking about there.
I mean, I think I certainly, I certainly lean into
the WO as well, and but I lean into the WU.
I think I don't normally use the term WO. I
lean into the WU because I think many of these
things UFOs, bigfoot, Virgin Mary, fairies, you know, all of
these were strange apparitions spirits that people encounter. There tend
to be a commonality through them. And often the commonality
is that, you know, somebody says a UFO and a
bigfoot right next to each other. Sometimes the commonality is
just the stories have very similar components, like those books
that the Cutchen and Timothy rememerate. Timothy Renner wrote, So,
I tend to think that all of these things, the
lack of physical proof for them, the way they as
you said, footprints disappear in the middle of the field
just almost like it is an apparition, it's somehow part
of this world, it's somehow not part of this world.
And so is everything which is in our mythology, from
religious texts through fairy stories. These things come and go
and interact with us as they will, and then they're
gone and we never seem to we never seem to
be able to pin down what they are. I think
your film does an amazing job, by the way of
and your character in the film, of capturing and demonstrating
the type of personality or the type of person who
the desire to prove any of these mysteries. And Bigfoot
or aschology just happens to be. The Bigfoot research or
Aschology just seems to be is just the half of this.
But I think you could you could have that character
in you know, you could have that character in ghost Hunting,
or you could have that character in Eufology, like or
there's an attraction to these things which we can't quite
get a handle of, which sometimes I think drive people's obsession,
you know, for the decades and decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And on that note, when the movie turns
out to be successful, there'll be a sequel.
Speaker 5: In fact, I already know what it's called. Oh wow,
you want to hear what I haven't written.
Speaker 4: I'd love to know if it was going to be
a spoil.
Speaker 3: And for those it's not a spoiler, but people who
haven't seen it yet, they'll understand when they see the film,
because if there's a sequel, it'll be called Sasquologists too.
Speaker 5: Bigfoot in Ohio, Ah, very nice because the character.
Speaker 3: That I play, Martin Boots, has a very specific opinion about.
Speaker 4: Ohio that that that'd be fantastic. And incidentally, you so
have you been following the Ohio news lately. There's all
that there's been this big Bigfoot funeral there in the
last couple of months, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is the irony of that is pretty amazing.
Speaker 4: You know, It's funny. I made a feature film which
is still in post production in Ohio. I wrote and
produced it and directed. My friend Carrie Proy had directed it,
and another very good friend of mine, Steven Wills, produced
it with me. And so I spent some time and
in Ohio outside of Cleveland, in a very nice part
of the world called Chagrin Falls. It's a beautiful outer
suburb of Cleveland. Gorgeous, gorgeous area, one of the prettiest places,
one of the pretty suburbs I've ever been to my life.
But not in a million years would you think there
was a sasquatch anywhere near Chagrin Falls. But I heard
from the person who was our editor, who had grown
up in Chagrin Falls, and I had moved to la
and edited a number of like I think, just band
movies and things, and then he came back to edit
our film. He saw a sasquatch and Chagrin when he
was a kid. And this is the weirder part of
that story. My friend Kerry wanted to make a documentary
about a guy who lived in the kind of poorer
outskirts of Chagrin because Chagrin is a very rich, rich area.
In the poorer type I don't even know if it's
part of Chagrin or just outside of it. And this
man it was known because I think he told a
number of people had claimed that for years he had
sasquatch visiting his house, and like you know, he was
feeding them and leaving things for them. And if you
go to Chagrin Fall, sure there's woods and things around it,
but you can't. It's not like the Pacific Northwest. It's
difficult to believe that there's a population of bigfoot living there.
But people have these encounters, and that again leads a
little bit more to the metaphysical. I think that people
have bigfoot encounters in suburbs. So you make that Ohio one,
because I'd love to see, Sorry, what was that?
Speaker 3: There's lots of encounters here in Colorado. I think when
they start showing up in New York and La on
the streets, that's when we're really gonna behind it something.
Speaker 4: Well, it might it mightn't be too long. Now, we
have a question for you from who Horror Smith is
obviously just watched the trailer. Horror Smith is Professor Emeritus
of Physics and Astronomy at Michigan State University. He's a
good friend of mine and a good friend of the show,
and he's been on the show as a guest in
the past. And he asks, was youmor a part of
the film from its conception?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say humor, but I would say light heart
heartedness because the central themes of it. There's some very
emotional core parts of this movie, but the central themes
are fathers and sons, and that can be very weighty
and very heavy. So yes, I surrounded it with with
with characters. Now, the thing about my goal with this
movie that I'm so proud of the most is that
my goal was to make it look and feel like
a classic nineteen nineties independent film, you know, Richard Glinkletter
and people like that. And from the feedback I've gotten
and how I feel about it, I know I pulled
that off. So when you're going to do a movie
with humor, you have to play the humor as drama,
and that way doesn't come across as so.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I would say that it was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't totally, but the latter parts were specifically written
that way to sort of bring some levity to the moment.
Speaker 5: And it's easier.
Speaker 3: It's easier to I think, to have an open mind
about things you might not be into.
Speaker 5: If if, if you're able to laugh your way into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think it and a lot of
the comedy situational in there as well, which is great,
but it does make me think about films from the nineties.
It also makes me think of Hell Hartley's movie particular,
Your Hell Hartley's films, particularly your dancing sequence, right, because
Hartley would often have those dance sequences, or we had
it in a couple of his movies, and it had
that kind of feel to it as well, which was great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was that was improvise.
Speaker 3: I wrote that kind of made that up the night
before because I knew that we were going to have
time while we waited for the cast to come out
to my property. That's where we shot that the big
dome that you've seen it. So I said, I've got
an idea, and so we put that song on. I
grabbed a broom and I just did some of the
old vaudeville dancing and you know, I've had my time
on Broadway and it turned out well. But what really
made it work was the song. And the music in
this film is from a band in Michigan, which oddly enough,
is a father and son band called Streaking in Tongues
and you can find them on Apple or Spotify Streaking
in Tongues.
Speaker 5: So I've been listening to these.
Speaker 3: Guys for a while. I love their music, and so
I just I got a hold of him, the lead
singer of the dad. I said, listen I've listened to
your music for a long time. I paid for all
your albums. I would love to put some.
Speaker 5: Of your songs in my movie, but I don't have
a lot of money.
Speaker 3: That said, I always insist on paying artists something anything
I can. And I said, I sent them some foot agents,
what do you think And he came back and said,
you can use as many songs as you want, just
pay me one hundred dollars a song. And then so
also I said, you know, in a couple of months
the soundtrack will come out, and you know, any money
that he makes from that, I'm like, that's all, that's
all yours. So yeah, music is really important. That was
just you know, the hand of God was all over
this movie. If you've been there, there were days we're like, oh, man,
this is great. Maybe are you like, oh this is
terrible or is it?
Speaker 5: And so we just had to keep rolling with it.
Speaker 3: But I think the most important thing is that everybody
that was there at the time had a good time.
Speaker 5: I think that shows up in the spirit.
Speaker 4: Of the movie. It absolutely does. And that music is fantastic.
And that person you were talking to is Ronnie Ferguson. Yes, Ronnie,
who was a director of a film, a documentary that
we played at Midwest Weed Fist a couple of years
before you Bigfoot and Marty Yeah so.
Speaker 7: And the funny thing actually, the poem that my character
reads in the Sasquologist is Marty's poem, because I talked
to him too and I said, your poem is perfect?
Speaker 5: Can I use it?
Speaker 4: And he was like, lawyers, fantastic. They're so great. They
were great guests as well. And the funny thing is,
I don't think you knew that I don't. I don't
think you knew they played at Midwest Interest and when
even though I was vaguely familiar with their music, when
I watched this Aschologists and Marty's poetry, I didn't put
you know, two and two together either until I think
later you told me. I can't even remember how I
found it. I think you told me or something. I
was like, wow, but just just so strange. I guess
the big Foot filmmaking community is as small as one
than we might think speaking of Bigfoot films, and that
doesn't necessarily have anything to do with yours, although maybe
it will going forward, as I think it may have
a serious impact on the community.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it yet. I don't know if you've
seen it yet or not, because it's not widely available.
I know it played south By Southwest. But but what
are your thoughts or what do you know about Capturing
Bigfoot the documentary.
Speaker 5: I think it's horseshit. Here's why, and I'm and that's
not and that's not that's not from the point.
Speaker 3: Of view of a of a of a squatcher or
somebody who's well known in the Bigfoot community. Although when
this movie gets going, I may be I mean, maybe
I'll become to ask to speak at some of the conferences.
Is as a filmmaker, if I had something that explosive,
they only showed it once, and they showed it it
south By Southwest. Nobody picked the movie up for distribution,
and as far as I know today, no one has
picked up the distribution for that movie, which to me
seems that there's something problematic in what they're claiming, because
if you're a film company and you pick up a
film like that claiming it to be something that ultimately
is going to.
Speaker 5: Kind of kind of kind of slander some people.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 5: There's a thing too where they they.
Speaker 3: Kind of ambushed Bob Gimlin and when he was in
not the greatest state, isn't you know?
Speaker 5: He's still kicking, but he's an older guy.
Speaker 3: So I'm very skeptical that they have anything anything real.
If that's really what it was, it would be like
proving the Zabruta film was fake or something. You know.
Speaker 5: So, uh, I highly doubt it.
Speaker 4: Okayd of no, that's that's interesting coming from somebody somebody
else in this kind of space. Have you found that
since you've finished the film, because now it's actually like
it's released, so it's it's uh, and we'll talk about
that because it's only been like I know again, it
was a festivals for like a year, which is fantastic,
but it's only been out for a little over a
week now. It was available for the general public rud.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a.
Speaker 3: So it played at some small film some small theaters
around the country last year long with the festivals, and
then right now we have an exclusive deal with Merkle Films,
so you can rent it now or buy it at
merkelefilms dot com, which is Tony Merkle. He's a podcaster,
very successful, good person out of Tennessee who has a
podcast called The Confessionals, So he was he was sort
of a background.
Speaker 5: Producer on it.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, And I have a link again to that.
If people are if people are watching or listening to
the show, just go to the show notes and you
can click right through where you where you can acquire
that film. But now now that you're kind of you're
the distribution point, now it's you know, it's it's it's
kind of changed from you being on the circuit. And
I guess talking at places Bigfoot friendly places that played it,
I'm guessing I would have asked you are you? But
I'm now I'm guessing because you're talking about maybe making
a sequel, you're still kind of positioning yourself in the
Bigfoot space a little bit. You're still keeping in contact
with it and what's going on.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if anybody of Sarah and John Brown of
the Bigfoot community.
Speaker 5: They've got a property in Washington.
Speaker 3: That I've been been to, you know, I hung out
with them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I still I still talk to some of those people.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Tongue, he's a new squatcher out there that's coming
around so yeah, so I mean because I may friends,
I don't have time to go out squatching anymore. I'm
in the process of prepping my next film. But but yeah,
there are a great, great bunch of people big.
Speaker 4: Barbecue, I bet, can can you talk about your next film?
Because I'm guessing that isn't The Bigfoot in Ohio or
The Asqualogist in Ohio.
Speaker 5: No, No, that would only do The Bigfoot Ohio.
Speaker 3: If if this, when this movie is a big hit,
I'd love to grow a beard again and get to it.
So but first on that note, what what I would
love to do? And then I looked into was and
I had some leads. Is I would really love to
do a serious drama about Patterson, because that's a whole
story him seeing that and him you know, he took
the film and he took it to Hollywood. He tried
to get Hollywood let him have theaters to show it,
and he rented out theaters low and then he owed
money to.
Speaker 5: The mom and there's a there's a great story behind
all that.
Speaker 3: But the film I'm working out in right now is
called Out of the Flat Irons, and it's a it's
about a struggling dad who's sent off on a hero's
journey to reunite his family and save a town that
doesn't want him there. There's a big flood in it.
And but what happens on this journey is that it's
not a faith based movie. But something about you know,
from my faith is that we never talked about is
although they talk about it in the big Foot community
and on your on your show, is the spiritual aspects
of the life that are surrounding us constantly in this
sort of battle.
Speaker 5: You know, we'd like to talk about.
Speaker 3: Miracles from the past or demons and stuff, but we
oftentimes forget that those things are happening around us all
of the time, whether they're actual miracles or mechanical miracles,
which are miracles that can be explained, but still they
appear as miracles. So is it a miracle just because
we can explain it or not? And so so he
goes on this quest. It's another wilderness adventure along with
a giant flood, and it's a much bigger budget. I've
got some a couple of movie stars that are interested,
and it's all about timing and money, and so.
Speaker 4: We'll see Oh wow, yeah, no, I can't wait and
I do think, I do think that in this reality
that so many of us live in, which is, you know,
I don't know, get up, clean your teeth, go to work,
come home, eat dinner, binge Netflix, go to sleep, get up,
clean your teeth, repeat, like just you know, forever that
it's very easy to lose, is touched with a bigger
spiritual reality. And to be honest, I think that's the
real value of things like Bigfoot and UFOs and apparitions
and other things is maybe those things are knocking on
these kind of you know, office cells or apartments we live,
and they're literally pounding on the doors, you know, saying
there's more to this reality than what you were living.
And so that's why I think so many of these
pursuits are actually healthy in a way, particularly in a
society where the mainstream church has often fallen away from
its traditional duties of explaining that there's a broader spiritual
reality and not just the spiritual reality, which we know
is the most important one. The idea about you know,
the traditional Christian message which you'll get at most churches
of you know, Christ dying for your sins and these things. Sure,
that's important and the most important, of course, But if
we don't talk about a order spiritual reality in any sense,
if we just ignore these other things, people can still
just go through life thinking they're living in a very
materialistic world and not understand that there are other forces,
there are other things acting on this reality. And I
think that's the value of a lot of these a
lot of these stranger what some people might consider stranger pursuits,
you know, interest in bigfoot, interest in UFOs, interest in spirits.
That these things tend to point and wigh and suggest
that reality isn't exactly what you think it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean I think we get we're when
we're too focused on the material, we're not able to
see the material that's around us that's helping us. Now,
I'm not recommending.
Speaker 3: Reaching out for the darker size of things, because if
you search for the dark, it'll certainly more than happy
to enter your home and put up shot. As you
know from the shows that you've on, and and this
spiritual element is in there. In the Sasquagists, there's a
very specific conversation not only is my character Martin grounded
in science, and and then that the young kid is
much more wou and he's clearly a Christian the way
he talks about certain things, and there's some tension there
on that, but I don't want to give it away,
but I think I think in the end it's understood.
Speaker 5: By by both of them. What's going on?
Speaker 4: No, that's something else talk about, talk about that relationship
between you and what's the actor's name? I forgot I
used to know. I forgot what.
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: And think all the character's name would be just.
Speaker 3: Swarts his last I don't know why his first name
is skipping me right now?
Speaker 4: Sometimes they sometimes I can look it up with Brandon
Brandon Schwarts, because that's it's such a wonderful juxtaposition and
such a wonderful relationship between the two characters in the film.
How did you find how did you find that young actor?
Speaker 2: And you know.
Speaker 4: What, how did you develop the the very there is
a great career, there is a great charismatic interaction. There's
a great chemistry between the two of you in that
movie and the siscologist.
Speaker 5: Yes, so he is such a talented kid.
Speaker 3: He's written screenplays and he's done his own short films
that he's.
Speaker 5: Written and directed.
Speaker 3: And so he was at a film festival a film
event in Florida, and he met these two guys that
I had worked with on a TV show I get
called Breaking Laws, and.
Speaker 5: They said, you should meet this guy Joseph.
Speaker 3: He's looking for a young actor for this film he's
getting ready to do well. It turns out that Brandon
lived in Denver, which is about twenty miles from my house.
Speaker 5: So they hooked us up.
Speaker 3: And I had been interviewing other actors and stuff, and
so I took him to I met him at in
Bottom luncht in and out Burger, and we were just
sitting there, just hanging out and eating burgers and talking.
Speaker 5: And uh, I knew immediately, like this this is the kid.
But I still had to put him through the through
the test of you know. So we auditioned him. I
did some scenes.
Speaker 3: With him, and and and finally I just said.
Speaker 5: Uh, so, do you want to be in a movie?
He's like really? And he was great.
Speaker 3: I really looked for actors that had some some some
theater background because in my experienced, theater actors taking a
little bit more seriously and they usually always know their alliance,
which is very important when you're doing the low budget
film because you only get one or two, maybe three
takes and then you got to move on.
Speaker 5: So that was that was really beneficial.
Speaker 3: And then there's another guy in the film, uh, Kevin Claytman,
who's a stand up comic. You could probably find his name,
Kevin Claytman. He's got he's got some he's got a bunch.
Speaker 5: Of videos, me too.
Speaker 3: So he plays one of the sort of he has
a very he has a very important role in the
movie that I don't want to give away because it's
kind of an easter egg. And then the girl who
plays my girlfriend in the movie. Oddly enough, when I
went to Jim who owns the Sasquatch out Post in Bailey,
to ask him, I said, I wrote a part for
you in this movie, and I'd love for you to
do it, and I'd love to have four hours of
shooting in your museum.
Speaker 5: And he read it and he's like, don let's do it.
So he's in the movie. He's got the cowboy hat.
Speaker 3: But as I was talking to him, I'm very good
with getting people to work with me over foods, because
I bought him lunch two. He goes, you know, do
you need a do you need a woman in her
mid late thirties. I'm like, yeah, kind of, kind of, yeah,
he goes, I got a girl who works for me
at the front desk once a week and she's an actress.
And so there it was Elijah fish Sure who actually
is a children's offer author and has written a bunch
of kids adventure books about Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Lajah Fisher.
Speaker 4: Well there you go. And you said the owner of
that was what was his name, Jim?
Speaker 5: Jim. I don't know Whay's name is me, Yeah, because
that's what in Bailey, Colorado.
Speaker 4: Yeah, flat Rockland. Also, his real name is Matt Auckland.
He's a good friend of the show and mine. He's
been on the show too. He lives he lives in
the Pacific Northwest. He just wrote, Jim is great, so
he obviously knows. He obviously knows the owner of that
museum as well. Yeah, which is which is fantastic. You
know one thing, and this is more for me than
for the audience. It interests me because when I was
in Sydney and I hung out with a lot of
actors and I dated actors, actresses and demise the technique
always seem fascinating to me and you're it's obviously so
important to you because it's actually in your bio that
you would trained in the master technique. Is that something
you can just talk a little bit about it for
a couple of minutes for my gratification.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So here's what's interesting is that I studied the
Mesner technique with Sanford Meisner briefly and then William Alderson
in New York, and then I also study the method,
and I'll get to that because I use the method.
Speaker 3: More for my own scenes in the film where I
was kind of by myself or where I have to
be real.
Speaker 5: Emotional, I'll tell you the difference.
Speaker 3: So I teach acting for kids out here at private schools,
and I always say the first and most important thing
for an actor is to be a good listener. And
the Meisner techniques teaches you to take all of the
focus off of yourself and on your partner. And the
more present you are and the more that you can
listen to them, the more you can answer them truthfully
and spontaneously, which also works really good in a marriage.
Speaker 5: So so that's the basis of that. Now, in the
Meisner technique.
Speaker 3: They train you to not use personal experiences to get
to emotional states. They want you to create imaginary circumstances
where you can then live in that moment based on
an imaginary circumstance. Now, people always think that the method
actor is is an actor who walks around the set
all day long pretending like they're that person.
Speaker 5: That's just narcissism.
Speaker 3: The primary difference, and both of these Meisner and Santislovsky
knew each other, these these two schools of acting. The
method actor tells you to use your own personal experiences
from your past or pains and and use those as
the start off point. The sort of ping of the
emotion that you're going to use in in the in
in whatever it is you're doing, would have worked. I
went that route because it was more effective to me
because I was making a movie that was sort of
about the loss of my father as a young kid,
and I was able to get to those things faster
knowing that I would only have a couple of takes
to do these things. And it's difficult, and it's why
you see some actors that use that process. They're just
they're out of their minds. I won't I won't name names,
but you can you can find them they're just because
it makes it really screws you up. In fact, if
my wife were here right now, she could attest to that,
because it took me about two weeks to shed this
character off of me in this heavy weight. So I
would walk around the house. It's just like the sort
of little little dark black hole floating around the house
as I was shedding these these emotions off of me. Actually,
my wife calls it my artistic temperament. I'm sure some
of the people I've worked with too, But you know,
artists are artists. We can rub people the wrong way.
So it's as long as you come back and say
I'm sorry, and you know, but on that note too,
is so now when I have that sort of vibe
going on, I just say that I'm to let my
wife and my daughter know.
Speaker 5: It's got nothing to do with them. I just say
I'm walking my black dog. I actually have a tattoo
right here of Winston Churchill walking his black dog.
Speaker 3: Because Winston Churchill his staff during the war would think
that they did something wrong, and he would have all
this pressure and weight and emotion on him, not only
from his past but from what was going on, and
it was sort of.
Speaker 5: A melancholy darkness you would carry around.
Speaker 3: And so he would just tell them I'm walking my
black dog today, so they could go on about their
business and go, We've not done anything wrong. And then ultimately,
when you're able to realize that you're walking your black
dog and you go, okay, it is me. Everybody knows
it's not about them. Once you take the dog for
the walk, it just goes away. It comes back, it
comes back, but it goes away for a while.
Speaker 4: I'm going to have a follow up question about about
acting in a minute, but Matt Auckland flat Rockland just
said Jim Myers is his name, and apparently I should
have known this. He actually he did just have a
show on the network we're on now, the until radio network,
Sasquatch Outposts. So it's a small world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and his wife Dafty nice people.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 4: There you go. So what's it like directing yourself? Like,
are there are there any checks and balances where you
have to step back and try to take that you know,
let go of the black dog or take off that
hat for a minute, and or I'd just love to
know your process doing both at the same time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 3: Was really a lot of preparation, so I knew my
lines and most everybody else is inside and out.
Speaker 5: It helped that I had written the script.
Speaker 3: For you know, eight nine months, so as the leader
of the ship, I had to be the most prepared.
So one of the things I did is my first
film is a movie. You can rent it for free
on Amazon now. It's a nice you can watch it
with all your Actually this is a family friendly film.
To the word the word shit is in it twice.
I think, which you could hear walking to the store.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 3: My first assistant director on my first film, Joey Lopez,
is a great guy. I had him there with me,
so knowing that I was gonna have to direct myself,
I really went to him because I was confident enough
in my skill as an actor to say, listen, just
tell me if it needs to be more or less
on the next take. And that's kind of what we did.
But I found a pretty happy, happy medium. I can
watch the film and which there was things I did differently,
but and I just had to trust the process and
the people around me, my cinematographer, my second camera my
sound guy, my my my wife, around the catering you know,
and just pulling in talent where I saw it, because
you know, eighty percent of directing is in the casting,
and so I cast.
Speaker 5: This movie really well. I cast it with actors that
I worked with before.
Speaker 3: There's some people in the movie that are not actors,
but like the Hamburger place, the Hungry Moose, caboose, the
woman initially there, they own it, her and her husband,
and I said, I'll put you in a movie.
Speaker 5: Can we shoot here and we'll eat our crew will
eat here that day.
Speaker 4: She's great, by the way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so that was a blessing. I also h
my daughter's in the movie. Of course, she's two years
older now, three years older. Now, she's the girl who
works at the Sasquatch out post that comes in and
rolls her eyes at me. Hey, guess what, you're not
going to school tomorrow? She goes, why I go, because
you're gonna save me five hundred bucks and you're seen, and.
Speaker 5: So she enjoyed. Oh she's a great she's a great kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What's interesting is when you're in this business, people find
it interesting, except your kid is like, yeah, that's what
my dad does. And then and then uh oh yeah,
it's my birthday today. That's my wife, she's watching.
Speaker 4: I meant to say happy birthday to you because I
knew that as well. Happy birthday to you, Joseph myself
as well, and.
Speaker 3: So on the on the Also on the trailer that
you watched, the last two women that come running through,
the one in the front, that's my wife. So she
she saved me two hundred dollars that day. Yeah, that's
my wife right there coming, that's my daughter. It was
a family affair.
Speaker 4: I love this just quickly. I just.
Speaker 3: Is that, uh, you know, all of these things take more,
and when somebody gives you their money to make a movie,
they're putting in a tremendous amount.
Speaker 5: Of trust in you.
Speaker 3: And my producing partner executive producer on this, Caleb M.
Moore was just uh, he was He's one of those
guys that if he says he's going to do something,
he does it.
Speaker 5: And I presented this, this this script to him and budget.
Speaker 3: And and basically he said, if you could do it
for that much, I'll fund it.
Speaker 5: And and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: And so you know, without his financial input and his
guidance along the way, he was very good at sort
of massaging partnerships that we had to deal with in
between distribution and and you know, personalities and all that
kind of stuff. None of this would have happened. It
just wouldn't have happened. And so and I know he's
pleased with it, and in fact, he was so pleased
with it that when we gave the first cut, he
really kind of said, if I gave you more money,
can you.
Speaker 5: Make it better? And in movies, the answer to that
is always yes, And then you got to tell them
how how you can make it better?
Speaker 4: Well, no, I think I think he placed a good
bet on you, and you'll film man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope it makes a ton of money because
I'm in debt from it.
Speaker 3: That's put any money into it. But but the time
and effort, I've never worked so hard in all my
life on anything I've done. And so Lord willing, should
it be his will, this has great success and leads
me to other things along with Caleb and everybody else
who's involved in this movie should be very proud of it.
Speaker 4: Is that something you're going to do forget a minute about,
because A you're obviously going to if you make the
sequel of this asqualogist. Will will you act in star
and feature film in future films as well? Like do
you like wearing both of those heads?
Speaker 5: You know, I think I might in this next tilm.
I might play a little role just because because because
I want you. But I don't know. I don't know
that I would do that again.
Speaker 3: It's really exhausting and emotionally and mentally, and it's a
stream of the family.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 3: People and I don't want to, you know, I don't
want to make it sound like I've been to Vietnam,
but but it's it's difficult, it's it's.
Speaker 5: It's to.
Speaker 3: Do it well is a lot of work. It's a
lot of preparation and and it and it does. It
really grades on you. And and I feel confident that
I did it right because I gave one hundred and
ten percent and really that's.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I did another interview and they said, what do you
hope people get out of your movie? And it's very simple.
I hope that you're entertained, you know, whatever else you
get out of it. There's a bunch of easter eggs
and a movie.
Speaker 5: You know, if you.
Speaker 3: Look, there is a big foot in every scene of
this movie. You have to look for it. I'm not
going to tell you where they are, but but he's there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well it certainly entertaining. I know I was entertained.
But I remember how much I loved it the first
time I watched it when it was submitted to the
festival and I and I saw any straight away, I
would I would be screening. I need to watch it
again now and find the big Foot in every in
every single, every single scene or sequence. That's fantastic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to pay for it now though, Dean,
I know, I know, go to go. My wife wants
an Aston Martin.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: I gotta get going, don't we.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 4: Well, it's great you have a supportive family. Well, funnily enough,
i've been I've been making a documentary, as everybody who
watches and listens to the show regularly knows, called the
Man who invented Flying Sauces. Now, for we must be
going into the year four. It's taking a long time,
and daughter appears in it a number of times because
just for the fact that I had I have her
with me almost all the time, so she'd be on trip.
So I thought, rather than ignore the fact she's here.
Let's have her in the in some of the in
some of the sequences with me. But this last fall
through the winter, I made a short narrative film and
I worked with what I had, and my my mother visited,
was visiting from Australia, and I had my daughter and
I made literally a horror short just with with two
and with the creature. But that's that's to work with
family as a joy. It's I mean, I've made a
number of films in the past which haven't had family.
When I was a little kid, of course, I made
movies with family. But it's a great joy too. It's
a great joy having your family there. I'm sure you
felt that as well, having your daughter in the yeah,
and your wife catering and things. My mom catered a
feature I made an Australia years ago. My mother and stepfather.
That's what you need when you make an indie film.
She certainly sounds like it. So let's let's let's make
As we're getting towards towards the end of this, maybe
just pitch the film one more time, suggests why people
should watch it. I recommend it whole hardly. There's no
way your film would have won the Pome of New
York Midwest Wedfest if it wasn't just a still a
movie and it is. And I know you say, I
know you say. What you want most is just for
people to be entertainment. Why do you think people should
watch this asqualgoists? There's so much out there to watch.
Speaker 5: I think the most important reason to watch it. There's
a couple of things.
Speaker 8: One, it's really the true it's a true independent film
with a small crew, with people who love the subject
who It's a film that has something to say that's
deeper on a human level, not just.
Speaker 3: About spirituality, the spirit world or or footprints. But it
really asked the question why do we look for things
outside of ourselves? And as we're looking for these things
outside of ourselves, isn't it really something inside of ourselves
that we're.
Speaker 5: Trying to find?
Speaker 3: Because you know, Sasquatch is sort of the ultimate, he's
got it all.
Speaker 5: He gets to be both anonymous and.
Speaker 3: Famous, because I wouldn't wish fame on anybody, especially in
this day and age.
Speaker 5: So not only that, but here's a great thing.
Speaker 3: Too about this film is there's so much slop and
smut out in the world.
Speaker 5: This is a movie you can.
Speaker 3: Watch with your grandmother and your kids. I've met kids
at festivals from five to people in their late seventies
early eighties that love this film. It's lighthearted, it moves well,
It's got some serious moments. It's not scary in the
It's got a couple of scary moments, but there's nobody's
getting hacked up with a knife and blood splattered everywhere.
Speaker 5: It's just a lot of that. This is if you're
an artist, that's what you're into, that's fine.
Speaker 3: But I think my calling is as a Christian in
this business, is to try and entertain people, to make
them think it respectively, about why we are the way
we are, what brought us here where we're going, and
to just be entertained and.
Speaker 5: Have a laugh. And what I've also found too is
people that I've interviewed after the film is there are
a lot of questions that they have for me. And
there's one very specific question that a lot of people
pick up on in this movie, and they ask me,
is it this or is it that?
Speaker 3: And I never answer that question because it can be
this or that, depending on how you feel.
Speaker 5: About those moments in the movie.
Speaker 3: So you can purchase or rent this movie at Merkelefilms
dot com. Or you can go to my website which
is Josephgranda dot com and find out about the other
things I'm doing, and you can get links to the
to screen it through there or the Sasquologists dot com.
Speaker 5: They'll all they'll all lead you back to Rome. But yeah,
go ahead and rent it.
Speaker 3: Support, support small film, support the Midwest Weird Fest. It's
a fantastic festival. Joseph Granda dot com. You can get
it there and keep in touch with me. In fact,
I'll tell you what the first people that rent the
film and send me a screenshot of their purchase to
my email at info at Joseph dot com, granded dot com,
or just go to my website my emails there, I'll
the first three people, I'll send you a free Sasquologists hat.
Speaker 5: Wow, there it is right there there. I am in
the cartoon form of the Sasquologists.
Speaker 4: That's an amazing deal. Thank you for that, Joseph. Yeah,
that's fantastic for your audience.
Speaker 5: That's an exclusive, my friend.
Speaker 4: That's Impressingwhere else I'm impressed? Yeah, yeah, I have a
link to all of those sides, except I don't have
Joseph Grander dot com. But that's easy for anybody watching,
so they can just see how Joseph Grander's name spelt
in the title of the show and then added dot
com to it. I do have a link to where
you can watch it. I do have a link to
the sisquologist dot com. And I do have a link
to where people can watch the trailer. And again, I
can recommend this film not just because I love it,
not just because Joseph's a guessed, but because it won
the parmaduor at Midwest We had first twenty twenty five.
The fact that we're selected was a victory enough, but
then to win that award suggests just how powerful and
wonderful movie this is. And there's the parmad your right there,
and very well, not to brag.
Speaker 3: But of the three best film boards that we won
Best Festival, Best Trophy.
Speaker 4: Oh, we thank you.
Speaker 5: Hands down. I've got to do it, my friend.
Speaker 4: Man. Well, that's very nice of you to say, But
again that if you haven't seen this film, you should.
It's only been available now for a week to the
general public. Unless you've got to see that A very
limited theatrical and festival run last year. So so go
and check the movie out again. The links are all there,
and I cannot recommend it enough. I'm going to have
to show it to my daughter again. I don't think
she watched it when I programmed it, so I'm going
to have to go and rent rent it again and
show it to my daughter. She'll dig it. She loves it.
She loves bigfoot stuff, and she's going to love this movie.
And as you said, it's totally family friendly. Yeah cool,
Well man, I mean I think that's it I need.
I want to talk to you more going forward, just
about about your future future projects, when you were ready
to do either of them or when they're done. I
want to see them at Midwest Weirdfest. I'd love to
get a chance to screen anything from you in the future.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I actually have an idea for a little film much
like this that if this bigger one doesn't fall through,
that I'm going to do. It's called Social Media Bites.
It's about a teenage who turns into a werewolf, not
from being bitten, but from using social media.
Speaker 4: Fantastic. I'm sure that would have a home at Midwest
a Weird Fest as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: Again, I can't thank you enough for visiting with me tonight, Joseph.
It's such a it's such a pleasure to talk to you.
You're just such a great human being, You're a great
guest at the festival, You're an incredible talent, and just
just thanks for spending the last hour of your life
chatting with me and our audience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, anytime. Thank you. I appreciate it, and thanks everybody
out there for listening.
Speaker 3: And I hope that you'll go and watch the Sasquladgers
and that's spread it to all your friends, because that's
the only way that a small film like this can
be successful is through.
Speaker 5: Word of mouth. Absolutely, we don't have any more money
for marketing.
Speaker 4: No, it's so important. It is important to recommend independent
art always to your friends, because I think if people
are like me, they get sick of so many of
the films that come out of Hollywood. They're just how
many Marvel movies can be made, how many franchises can
just be reimagined again and again and again. If you
want to see independent film, and you want to see
films like this aschologists, which you will as soon as
you see it, let your friends know as well, because
it's word of mouth that really helps everybody who is
talented in the independent space, not just letting this film
get seen, but giving them motivation and the potential to
go forward and make their next project, which, after you've
seen this film, you very much want another one from Joseph.
So again, thank you Joseph for visiting with me tonight.
Thank you everybody else out there. Until I talk to
you Joseph, which hopefully won't be too far in the
distant future, and until I talk to everybody else, which
will be same Weird time, nine pm Central, Same Weird network,
the Untold Radio Network next week. Please keep it weird.
Speaker 5: Thank you,