Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody. Corey is Buddy History. We're continuing on
Speaker 1: with Kerry Thornley's book Oswald, chapter one today. He did
Speaker 1: the intro the other day, and I gotta apologize, I am.
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Speaker 1: But that'll start next week. I've been slacking, and I
Speaker 1: apologize for that, but we're gonna continue on today with
Speaker 1: uh oh, and I've got some other let me talk
Speaker 1: about this too. So so right now, I've got basically
Speaker 1: three books in the works. Okay, I have Lee, Harvey
Speaker 1: Oswald and Black and White Volume two, which is on
Speaker 1: Oswald in the Marines and all the conflicts there. And
Speaker 1: then I've got the second edition of A Warning from History,
Speaker 1: which will end up being a volume one, volume two
Speaker 1: kind of thing when I get that done. And my
Speaker 1: plan originally was to knock out this volume two first
Speaker 1: of Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White. I figure
Speaker 1: I fight, I mean, if I really buckle down, I'll
Speaker 1: have it out by early March. But I find myself
Speaker 1: being overwhelmingly pulled towards the Warning from History project. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to start probably later today getting my template
Speaker 1: formats done, and it'll be an interesting process because what
Speaker 1: I'm doing is I'm basically I'm adding all the documents
Speaker 1: right I'm updating some of the text, and I'm adding
Speaker 1: all the documents, and so it's gonna look very similar
Speaker 1: to Leharvy Oswald and Black and White Volume one, where
Speaker 1: you flip through it and you got all the documents
Speaker 1: and pictures and all that stuff. So the changes I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make, I'm gonna adjust the fonts. If I were
Speaker 1: to keep the seventeen point font that I did in
Speaker 1: Leearvy Oswald and Black and White, this fucking thing would
Speaker 1: end up being like, you know, a thousand pages just
Speaker 1: because the font's so big. So I have to experiment
Speaker 1: with some font sizes because I'm trying to get the
Speaker 1: book down to about eight hundred pages two volume set
Speaker 1: eight hundred pages. I think I went with like a
Speaker 1: fucking I don't even know what font size I used
Speaker 1: in the original version, but keeping roughly that original version
Speaker 1: font should keep me in the eight hundred page range,
Speaker 1: which is what I'm trying to do. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: around maybe it'll probably be a little more than eight
Speaker 1: hundred pages, but it's gonna end up being a two
Speaker 1: volume set. I don't have a choice. I can't. Amazon
Speaker 1: will not publish an eight hundred page book. They just
Speaker 1: won't do it. Uh, so I'm gonna have to do
Speaker 1: two volume set. And so that's my plan for the year.
Speaker 1: These three books, right, the past couple of weeks are
Speaker 1: actually more like a past month. Every fucking day I
Speaker 1: come and I sit down, and I go to work
Speaker 1: on this book. And I just don't want to work
Speaker 1: on the book. I just don't. I just I don't
Speaker 1: know what the fuck my problem is. I just haven't
Speaker 1: wanted to fucking do it. I know what I gotta do.
Speaker 1: I know the exact you know. I got the next
Speaker 1: like twenty pages already written in my head. It's got
Speaker 1: to do it. I just haven't wanted to. So that
Speaker 1: told me something, right, that told me I should fucking
Speaker 1: never never. Here's the thing when you're when you're when
Speaker 1: you're a writer, an artist, or whatever the fuck it is,
Speaker 1: you do like if you run into a roadblock, just
Speaker 1: come back to it, like, don't keep banging your head
Speaker 1: against a fucking wall, which is what I've allowed myself
Speaker 1: to do for the past month. So I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: end up switching over and either knocking out a Warning
Speaker 1: from History second edition first, or I might just string
Speaker 1: the whole fucking thing along and work on all three
Speaker 1: at once. I don't know the a warning for history stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it'll take me. I don't
Speaker 1: think it'll take me too long. I think I could
Speaker 1: have that done in a couple of months, because basically
Speaker 1: I'm working with some new software, Affinity software, which is
Speaker 1: fucking phenomenal for publishing, and basically I can import each
Speaker 1: chapter right, and then I just have to read each
Speaker 1: chapter and kind of rewrite or adjust some of the text,
Speaker 1: update some of my perspectives because I have a couple
Speaker 1: of perspectives that have been updated, and then I have
Speaker 1: to just go in and pick out the points at
Speaker 1: which I want to insert documents. And so I figured
Speaker 1: we'll have documents minimum every third page, but it's more
Speaker 1: likely gonna be every other page and on some pages,
Speaker 1: every page, right, And so it'll be a balancing act
Speaker 1: to try to get this thing to the right length
Speaker 1: in order to get it into a two volume set,
Speaker 1: you know, because if you get if it comes out
Speaker 1: too short, then you then I can't do the two
Speaker 1: volume set, Like if it comes out around six hundred pages,
Speaker 1: that sucks because then you get and you end up
Speaker 1: with two short volumes instead of one long volume. And
Speaker 1: so these are all things that I'm kind of juggling
Speaker 1: in my head right now. But over the next week
Speaker 1: or two I will have I've already got like fifty
Speaker 1: pages of volume two Lee Harvey Oswald finished. It's already done, right,
Speaker 1: I could probably have that much of a Warning from
Speaker 1: History second edition done in like the next really about
Speaker 1: the next week or two. And so I think that's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna hop in. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do all my formatting and get the project rolling just
Speaker 1: to kind of see how much time it's going to
Speaker 1: take me. And actually, the more I think about it,
Speaker 1: the more I think that I can probably knock it
Speaker 1: out a whole lot quicker because I don't have to
Speaker 1: write anything new original except for some updates. The Le
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswell Volume two I still have to write out
Speaker 1: actually another two hundred pages, right, So I might be
Speaker 1: doing myself a favor by doing Neil Warning from History
Speaker 1: series first, which I plan on it being the definitive work.
Speaker 1: I mean, I reference a lot of documents, but you
Speaker 1: don't see them in the book. And so once people
Speaker 1: can see the documents and see the statements and see
Speaker 1: Lauren Hall's confession that he was at Sylvia Odio's right.
Speaker 1: All this stuff will congeal a lot better than just
Speaker 1: you know, quoting documents. So I have a lot of
Speaker 1: hope that the second edition will do really well. The
Speaker 1: first edition has sold, I don't know. I got to
Speaker 1: say I've probably sold upwards of two thousand copies thereabouts,
Speaker 1: which I think is okay. We'd done. We did a
Speaker 1: couple hundred pre orders for ebooks before the fucking book
Speaker 1: even came out, which is crazy to me. I feel
Speaker 1: like if I were to go back and try to
Speaker 1: do some of the things I've already done, they would
Speaker 1: never work again. It's a miracle they worked the first time.
Speaker 1: Like getting one hundred fifty plus fucking pre orders for
Speaker 1: a book for a guy who's never written a book before,
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty fucking good. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: my plans for the year. Three books this year, that's
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. It's the order that is up
Speaker 1: for debate, and the debate is ultimately with myself, right,
Speaker 1: So but yeah, let me just continue on with Chapter
Speaker 1: one of Oswald by Carrie Thornley. A dastardly individual who
Speaker 1: was in on the planning of the assassination shot JD. Tippett. Yep,
Speaker 1: So here we go, Chapter one, A prelude to understanding
Speaker 1: intellectual evasion and frantic despair. Oh, Kerry Thornley is quite hyperbolic.
Speaker 1: In case you haven't never realized this, he has a
Speaker 1: quote here from Lee Harvey Oswald that I never heard before.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I fuck he got it. Quote.
Speaker 1: I wonder what would happen if somebody was to stand
Speaker 1: up and say he was utterly opposed not only to
Speaker 1: governments but to the people. Lee Harvey Oswald sounds like
Speaker 1: something Kerry Thorny would make up. Aristotle said that if
Speaker 1: a man gets drunk, and, as a result of his drunkenness,
Speaker 1: flies into a rage and kills another, he is not
Speaker 1: to be excused in the least from the consequences of
Speaker 1: his act. For upon wilfully allowing his mind to be
Speaker 1: dulled or his rationality suspended, a man must assume full
Speaker 1: responsibility for whatever his uncontrolled actions then affect in justice.
Speaker 1: To choose to abandon one's mind in any manner is
Speaker 1: much the same as leaping from a motor vehicle once
Speaker 1: it is in motion. What really happens is that the
Speaker 1: mind abandons the vehicle the body, and must therefore stand
Speaker 1: responsible for whatever damage the uncontrolled vehicle causes. That's kind
Speaker 1: of ironic, isn't it kind of ironic that I'm reading
Speaker 1: this paragraph here and we got this ice shooting thing
Speaker 1: that everyone's getting wrong. Let me read this paragraph again. Injustice,
Speaker 1: to choose to abandon one's mind any manner is much
Speaker 1: the same as leaping from a motor vehicle once it
Speaker 1: is in motion. What really happens is that the mind
Speaker 1: abandons the vehicle the body, and must therefore stand responsible
Speaker 1: for whatever damage the uncontrolled vehicle causes, just like the
Speaker 1: vehicle that drove away in this ice shooting and smashed
Speaker 1: into another car in a telephone poll and could have
Speaker 1: run over anybody on the street. Tragically, there are That's
Speaker 1: a conversation I've been having on X people are so stupid.
Speaker 1: I'm an ex cop, I've been through this personally. I
Speaker 1: know exactly what the fuck the law says on this,
Speaker 1: and what situations and police psychologies say on that situation,
Speaker 1: and the general populace is just so stupid on the matter. Tragically,
Speaker 1: there are more ways of dulling or suspending human rationality.
Speaker 1: Than drinking. Drinking, in fact, is one of the least popular.
Speaker 1: Far more common than blind drunkenness is blind faith. And
Speaker 1: before that comes what is probably the number one intoxic
Speaker 1: in the world over, the true opiate of the people.
Speaker 1: Intellectual evasion and intellectual evasion is a politician's answer to
Speaker 1: an unpleasant question. An intellectual evasion is no answer at all,
Speaker 1: wrapped up in a package of answer sounding words. When
Speaker 1: a politician tells you not to worry about the national
Speaker 1: debt because we owe it to ourselves, that is an
Speaker 1: intellectual evasion. When a door to door salesman offers you
Speaker 1: a set of encyclopedias absolutely free, provided you agree to
Speaker 1: pay ten dollars a month, that is an intellectual evasion.
Speaker 1: When a minister tells you to believe in God because
Speaker 1: the Bible says there is a God, and to believe
Speaker 1: the Bible because it's God's word, that is an intellectual evasion.
Speaker 1: And when a TV panel showed debater passes himself off
Speaker 1: as culture because of his expertise an intellectual evasion. That is,
Speaker 1: when you'd better jump behind a lamp post there's a
Speaker 1: driverless vehicle barreling down the road. Lee Harvey Oswald, I
Speaker 1: submit arrived at the state of mindlessness that would have
Speaker 1: permitted him to commit murder through a process of intellectual evasion,
Speaker 1: a process which was partially underway when I knew him
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine. Evidence would indicate that Oswald's condition
Speaker 1: was what could perhaps best be called a state of
Speaker 1: despair during the time span that included twenty second November
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. According to the Warrant Commission, Oswald's behavior
Speaker 1: after the assassination throws little light on his motives. The
Speaker 1: fact that he took so little money with him when
Speaker 1: he left irving in the morning indicates that he did
Speaker 1: not expect to get very far from Dallas on his own,
Speaker 1: and suggests the possibility, as did his note, as did
Speaker 1: his note prior to the attempt on General Walker, that
Speaker 1: he did not expect to escape at all. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, he could have traveled some distance with the
Speaker 1: money he did have, and he did return to his
Speaker 1: room where he obtained his revolver. He then killed patrolman
Speaker 1: Tippet went bullshit, motherfucker, you killed Patrolman Tippet. You killed Tippet,
Speaker 1: You fucking liar. He then killed patrolman Tippet when that
Speaker 1: police officer apparently tried to question him as he had
Speaker 1: left his rooming house, and he vigorously resisted arrest when
Speaker 1: he was finally apprehended in the Texas Theater. Although it
Speaker 1: is not fully corroborated by others who were present, to
Speaker 1: officers have testified that at the time of his arrest,
Speaker 1: Oswald said something to the effect that it's all over now.
Speaker 1: Despair it would appear existed, but it was not despair
Speaker 1: with resignation. Rather, Oswald exhibited something quite prevalent in our
Speaker 1: culture today, frantic despair. One one hundred and seventy dollars,
Speaker 1: in addition to the thirteen dollars and eighty seven cents
Speaker 1: he took with him that faded morning, were in his possession.
Speaker 1: Yet he left one hundred and seventy dollars in a
Speaker 1: wallet in the dresser at the house where his wife
Speaker 1: was staying. All right, let me put this in perspective.
Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy dollars is a big chunk of money.
Speaker 1: I don't leave the house with one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: fucking dollars in twenty twenty six, Okay, one hundred That
Speaker 1: that much money is like times ten, that's like twelve
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Why to fuck would anybody in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: three go to work and take twelve hundred fucking dollars
Speaker 1: with them in their pocket. Why the fuck would they
Speaker 1: do that? They wouldn't. It's retarded. This whole story is retarded.
Speaker 1: Him leaving his ring and all that shit retarded, fucking
Speaker 1: made up after the fact. Yet he left one hundred
Speaker 1: seventy dollars in a wallet in the dresser at the
Speaker 1: house where his wife was staying. In considering the possibility
Speaker 1: of Oswald's planning and escape to Cuba, the Commission points
Speaker 1: out that it is unlikely that a reasoning person would
Speaker 1: plan an attempt to travel from Dallas, Texas to Cuba
Speaker 1: with thirteen dollars and eighty seven cents when considerably greater
Speaker 1: resources were available to him. The fact that Oswald left
Speaker 1: behind the funds which might have enabled him to reach
Speaker 1: Cuba suggest the absence of any plan to try to flee,
Speaker 1: and raise his serious questions as to whether or not
Speaker 1: he ever expected to escape. Yet we find Oswald killing
Speaker 1: a police officer and attempting to kill others to resist
Speaker 1: questioning and arrest. Only an irrational man attempts to embrace contradictions,
Speaker 1: and Oswald certainly must be judged irrational if one is
Speaker 1: to go on the basis of these two drastically contradictory
Speaker 1: tendencies apparent in his alleged behavior on November twenty second. But,
Speaker 1: as I've indicated, assassins don't have a monopoly on on reason,
Speaker 1: especially on that variety I've named frantic despair. Consider the
Speaker 1: philosopher who asserts that life by nature is wretched, and
Speaker 1: yet who devotes years to panic stricken efforts on behalf
Speaker 1: of preventing the nuclear destruction of mankind. Or look among
Speaker 1: the writings of the beats from the antics of Dean
Speaker 1: Moriarty on down the line. What term can better describe
Speaker 1: the behavior of these heroes than frantic despair? Nor is
Speaker 1: frantic despair in contemporary culture confined to those who passes intellectuals.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised at the number of these happy suburban
Speaker 1: wives who simply go berserk one night and run shrieking
Speaker 1: through the street without any clothes on quotes Bety Freedom
Speaker 1: from an interview with an unnamed doctor in her best
Speaker 1: selling book The Feminine Mystique. Miss Frieden substantiates in her
Speaker 1: book of View of the American Career housewife as typically
Speaker 1: a driven woman who is by and large both despairing
Speaker 1: and frantically unresigned in her often random efforts to achieve
Speaker 1: identity and self esteem. Further, and perhaps significant in this context,
Speaker 1: her psychological struggles often seem to affect her children, with
Speaker 1: a tendency to react to life in a similar manner.
Speaker 1: So I think it may be safely concluded that the
Speaker 1: state of frantic despair is prevalent enough among individuals in
Speaker 1: at least our culture at this time to produce in
Speaker 1: many situations in atmosphere or frantic despair. An atmosphere more
Speaker 1: to be expected a tribe of savages helpless against nature's
Speaker 1: whims than in a highly comfortable and industrial, industrial competent
Speaker 1: civilization such as our own. And indeed, it has been
Speaker 1: recently demonstrated by means of a nation survey conducted by
Speaker 1: doctor Raymond B. Ktel of the University of Illinois, that
Speaker 1: the highly industrialized nations of the world, including America, have
Speaker 1: lower general levels of anxiety than do less developed countries
Speaker 1: such as India. So we may further conclude that the
Speaker 1: syndrome involving frantic despair is by no means a result
Speaker 1: of increased industrialization, nor is it universal in our culture.
Speaker 1: The very fact that it can be discerned with such
Speaker 1: striking clarity here in modern day America would seem to
Speaker 1: indicate that it is in sharp contrast with what most
Speaker 1: of us regard as the logical reaction to this environment.
Speaker 1: We would seem safe, then, to conclude that the state
Speaker 1: of frantic despair is something that must be arrived at
Speaker 1: by a special route. And if the writings of Sarta
Speaker 1: Jeanette Kerouac, Colin Wilson, and the reports of Betty Frieden
Speaker 1: are to be credited, and in this instance their popularity
Speaker 1: itself can be considered as a probable accreditation, it might
Speaker 1: well be that this special route is being followed by
Speaker 1: an ever widening group of people. It is my opinion
Speaker 1: that the state of frantic despair is most commonly arrived
Speaker 1: at by means of intellectual evasion. And on the basis
Speaker 1: of my acquaintance with Lee Harvey Oswald, and on what
Speaker 1: I have learned about him since then, I've decided that
Speaker 1: he did arrive at the state of frantic despair by
Speaker 1: such means, and in the state of frantic despair, probably
Speaker 1: attempted to assassinate General Walker, and probably did assassinate President Kennedy.
Speaker 1: I've gone into this subject in some detail at the
Speaker 1: risk of belaboring a point here and there, because it
Speaker 1: is also absolutely essential in explaining how the Ohs were
Speaker 1: I knew could have in just four years and five
Speaker 1: months or so, arrived at a point where he was
Speaker 1: fully capable of cold blooded murder. For the Oswald I
Speaker 1: knew was a wholly different sort of fellow in some
Speaker 1: essential respects from the angry little man who later was
Speaker 1: to dwell upon the possibilities of one standing up and
Speaker 1: announcing his utter opposition to everything, governments, the people, to
Speaker 1: the entire land, and complete foundations of his society. Chapter two,
Speaker 1: Private Oswald and the Importance of being persecuted. In Thornley's view,
Speaker 1: Oswald labored under a persecution complex which he strove to maintain.
Speaker 1: The report of the Warrant Commission. No clear picture of
Speaker 1: my first sight of Oswald remains in my memory. He
Speaker 1: did not make a lasting first impression on me, for
Speaker 1: in appearance he was practically nondescript. I transferred into his
Speaker 1: outfit Marine Air Control Squadron nine in either late winter
Speaker 1: or early spring of nineteen fifty nine. It was early spring.
Speaker 1: I remember only that it was after New Year and
Speaker 1: before Easter. Previously I had been with another unit located
Speaker 1: at the same place and directly next door to m
Speaker 1: ACS nine, So at the time the change was a
Speaker 1: mere minor one more important to the Remington raiders in
Speaker 1: the administration sections than to me. Okay, this is significant.
Speaker 1: Let me because I'm gonna have to go double checked this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go double checked this because I
Speaker 1: have his roster and it says here that he was
Speaker 1: at Oka. See he was less than like in Temecula, California,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of shit like he was in California
Speaker 1: for most of his on paper marine life. But you know,
Speaker 1: I busted him December nineteen fifty seven, graduating from Biloxi
Speaker 1: in a basic electronics course. After that he'll go, he'll
Speaker 1: attend the Aircraft Control and Morning Operator course that Oswald took, right,
Speaker 1: But none of that's on his fucking roster. But that's
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. It's funny because when you read
Speaker 1: the roster, it's like there's no nothing about aircraft control
Speaker 1: and warning operator at all, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's a fucking allegedly a radar operator. So I got
Speaker 1: to clarify something. None of these guys were really radar operators.
Speaker 1: They worked in the radar operator room, but to be
Speaker 1: a radar operator you had to do a thirty three
Speaker 1: week course. None of these focks did this, not carry Thornley,
Speaker 1: not Oswald. None of the guys who were in Oswald's group,
Speaker 1: they weren't radar guys. They mostly worked the plotting board
Speaker 1: and they did I don't know other shit in the
Speaker 1: radar room. See, this is all supposed to be top secret,
Speaker 1: like we're not supposed to know any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But I do know for fact, because it's in their
Speaker 1: own goddamn marine documentation that the guys who sat behind
Speaker 1: the radar booths took a thirty three week course. None
Speaker 1: of our guys in the cast of characters did that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, where the fuck was was Thornley right before
Speaker 1: he was at MACS nine. I have to double check.
Speaker 1: When I think of Oswald's name and connection with those days,
Speaker 1: I hear it being shouted by an authoritative voice that
Speaker 1: seems worn thin by her, And in my mind's eye,
Speaker 1: I see an out of focused picture of a jar
Speaker 1: head private with a swab in hand, slopping soapy water
Speaker 1: over the wooden plank porch of the operations hut. The
Speaker 1: private has the bill of his utility cap pulled down
Speaker 1: over his eyes, apparently so we will he will have
Speaker 1: to see a little of the unpleasant military world around
Speaker 1: him as possible. Yep. So Oswald was always in trouble
Speaker 1: like he did. He was never behind a radar operator
Speaker 1: unit because he was always fucking on admin duty because
Speaker 1: he was in trouble, and he was seeing emptying garbage
Speaker 1: cans and mopping shit up and stuff overlaid on this picture,
Speaker 1: as in multiple exposure, I see the same private with
Speaker 1: a broom, with the rake, with the lawnmower, and with
Speaker 1: a grass edger. Associated in my mind with these visions
Speaker 1: is a vague feeling of sympathy that might find expression
Speaker 1: in the question why are they always picking on that guy?
Speaker 1: As time went on, I came to gather other more
Speaker 1: vivid impressions of Private Oswald, but the image of him
Speaker 1: as a poor persecuted soul never entirely vanished. Oswald kept
Speaker 1: afresh when he was ordered to do something, he would
Speaker 1: answer sir in a tone that conveyed clearly that he
Speaker 1: had fully expected to be ordered to the task, but
Speaker 1: that he sure didn't have to pretend that he liked
Speaker 1: an liked it any It was the kind of tone
Speaker 1: that most people would use while saying, wouldn't you know
Speaker 1: it after a particularly bad piece of luck, And if
Speaker 1: by some chance you didn't see that Oswald was obviously
Speaker 1: being singled out for special treatment, he would mention it
Speaker 1: to you in the form of a bitter aside to
Speaker 1: his conversation, usually adding his opinion that those in command
Speaker 1: were of not too perceptive conviction that he was a
Speaker 1: communist spy or something, and therefore felt he had it coming.
Speaker 1: But as his words in tone would have now been
Speaker 1: made clear, Oswald was willing to be grimly amused by
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I'm certain that in his own eyes,
Speaker 1: Oswald was the most important man in the unit. To him,
Speaker 1: the mark of destiny was clearly visible on his forehead,
Speaker 1: and that some were blind to it was his eternal
Speaker 1: source of aggravation. It was far more comforting for him
Speaker 1: to know that there were those who would gladly kill
Speaker 1: him than it would have been for him to think
Speaker 1: that he was just another faceless marine in the ranks
Speaker 1: that morning muster. For deep within he feared that he
Speaker 1: really was that faceless nobody, and the hostility of others
Speaker 1: when directed him alone, was his most convenient reassurance. That
Speaker 1: he was instead a very unique somebody, somebody who could
Speaker 1: provoke anger and perhaps a little fear in those in
Speaker 1: an unjust system had placed him. Above was the self
Speaker 1: image he required and strove to perpetuate. And as I've indicated,
Speaker 1: in contrast to Oswald's self image was his appearance. He
Speaker 1: was not much taller or much shorter than most other people,
Speaker 1: nor was he much fatter or much leaner. His hair
Speaker 1: was brown, medium brown, his eyes were blue gray. If anything,
Speaker 1: he was a bit smaller than most men, a bit
Speaker 1: lighter in weight. That was all, considering that he had
Speaker 1: such a poor foundation on which to build a striking appearance,
Speaker 1: Oswald did pretty well. First, he usually remembered to set
Speaker 1: himself off by maintaining a tight and angry little smile
Speaker 1: at all times. Also managed to look a little sloppier
Speaker 1: in his dress than any other marine. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: under the circumstances there was not much else to be done.
Speaker 1: For the most part, he had to rely on his
Speaker 1: words to emphasize his individuality, a subject to be handled
Speaker 1: in detail in a separate chapter. While all I've said
Speaker 1: about him up till now is true, I wish to
Speaker 1: stop short of giving the impression that Oswald's persecution complex
Speaker 1: was a central aspect of his personality at that time.
Speaker 1: It was not. It was instead something usually observed out
Speaker 1: of the corner of an eye. While considering the whole man.
Speaker 1: In my own professional opinion, he was not paranoid, but
Speaker 1: as I told the Commission, I did think there was
Speaker 1: in him a tendency toward paranoia that, in certain circumstances
Speaker 1: might become more pronounced. This last, however, was simply an
Speaker 1: uninformed guess on my part. One may now wonder how
Speaker 1: it was that Private Oswald was most typically observed at
Speaker 1: some menial job, if it were not true that he
Speaker 1: was a real object of persecution, due perhaps to his
Speaker 1: subvert leanings. This, I submit, Oswald brought on himself. Elsewhere
Speaker 1: I will go into the techniques he use for now.
Speaker 1: Allow me to say that he went out of his
Speaker 1: way time after time to do whatever he could to
Speaker 1: displease the officers and staff NCOs that were in charge
Speaker 1: of him. Unfortunately, there were times, though, when Oswald was
Speaker 1: given genuine reasonab believe they were after him. The most
Speaker 1: dramatic example came to my knowledge second hand, so I
Speaker 1: may not have all the details correct. I have checked
Speaker 1: into the origin of the story enough, however, to ascertain
Speaker 1: that it does have a basis in truth. It was
Speaker 1: apparently in Macs nine, and probably before I arrived there,
Speaker 1: that a young lieutenant happened to notice in the mailroom
Speaker 1: one day a newspaper addressed to Oswald, which was in
Speaker 1: the Russian language and by some reports, had been mailed
Speaker 1: from the Soviet Union. According to the story, the lieutenant
Speaker 1: grew very excited over his discovery and possibly made an
Speaker 1: open issue of Oswald's probable sympathy to the Communist cause.
Speaker 1: Most of the troops, who had learned to take Oswald
Speaker 1: in perspective, were very much immune used at the lieutenant's
Speaker 1: having pushed the panic button. Oswald, of course didn't think
Speaker 1: it was so funny, But apparently the lieutenant's warnings were
Speaker 1: ignored by the command, which had perhaps learned to take
Speaker 1: enthusiastic young lieutenants in perspective, so private Lee H. Oswald
Speaker 1: was the outfit eight ball. He was what in the
Speaker 1: army they call a yardbird and in Marine Corps shitbird.
Speaker 1: He was a born loser, and he was fully as
Speaker 1: bitter as mess Hall coffee about it and concerning the
Speaker 1: cause of the situation, Oswald chose to believe the explanation
Speaker 1: that was to him the most attractive, that his unique
Speaker 1: status as a sub subversive, and perhaps his superior intelligence,
Speaker 1: was the reason for his special treatment, and that this,
Speaker 1: in the face of evidence yet to the contrary, required
Speaker 1: a process of intellectual evasion. Yet at the time Oswald
Speaker 1: was far from despairing. His service in the military Corps
Speaker 1: or in the Marine Corps was about to end, and
Speaker 1: beyond his coming day of discharge, a whole new world
Speaker 1: awaited him, a world that would be somehow different from
Speaker 1: what he'd known in the past. Perhaps he would go
Speaker 1: to the Soviet Union and play an important role in
Speaker 1: the building of a new humanity. Perhaps he would go
Speaker 1: to Cuba and join Castro in the fight to free
Speaker 1: the rest of the Caribbean from the clutch of imperialists.
Speaker 1: A thousand opportunities awaited the man who bore the mark
Speaker 1: of destiny, he had only to choose among them. It
Speaker 1: may have been about then that Oswald and another Maacs
Speaker 1: nine marine, Nelson Delgado, in the words of the war Report,
Speaker 1: sometimes imagine themselves as leaders in the Cuban army or government.
Speaker 1: A good summary to this chapter is also contained in
Speaker 1: that report. He used his Marxist and associated activities as
Speaker 1: his excuse for difficulties in getting along in the world,
Speaker 1: which were usually caused by entirely different factors. His use
Speaker 1: of those excuses to present himself to the world as
Speaker 1: a person who was being unfairly treated is shown most
Speaker 1: clearly by his employment relations after his return from the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union. Of course, he made his real problems worse
Speaker 1: to the extent that his use of those excuses prevented
Speaker 1: him from discovering the real reasons for and attempting to
Speaker 1: overcome his difficulties. All right, I fucking hate carry thorn Landy.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate this guy, like fuck this dude three,
Speaker 1: Comrade Oswald and the holy cause of mankind. I think
Speaker 1: the best religion is communism, Lee Harvey Oswald. That's a quote. Allegedly,
Speaker 1: we were sitting around in the afternoon sun I was
Speaker 1: reading a paperback book. Oswald was reading a notebook, possibly
Speaker 1: studying his Russian Nelson Dugatta was there involved in a
Speaker 1: religious discussion with another man. Two or three others were
Speaker 1: sitting around on inverted buckets, cleaning their rifles or shining
Speaker 1: their shoes. Duty was easy in MACS nine. Many of
Speaker 1: us were watchstanders, and sometimes we had afternoons off. We
Speaker 1: could not leave the base, but we could sit outside
Speaker 1: the recreation hunt and enjoy the California sun. Shoot the
Speaker 1: bull about whatever crossed our minds. Reader, take care of
Speaker 1: our personal effects. MACS nine was located at a subsidiary
Speaker 1: base of El Toro. It was near the tiny town
Speaker 1: of Austin, and with a light breeze, the sharp smell
Speaker 1: of citrus trees would come floating down the rows of
Speaker 1: quancet huts. Gradually, I lost interest in my reading and
Speaker 1: became engrossed in the bull session on religion. Noticing my interest,
Speaker 1: one of the men asked for my views. I explained
Speaker 1: that I was an atheist, so I said Oswald, glancing
Speaker 1: up from his notebook. I think the best religion is communism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oswald's a red, said one of them to me. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not a communist. I just think they have the
Speaker 1: best system. Why. I wanted to know, because they have
Speaker 1: a purpose, and the Communist way of life is more
Speaker 1: scientific than ours. You don't have to believe in as
Speaker 1: much of fairy tales to accept it. My first really
Speaker 1: vivid memory of Oswald centers around that brief sequence. In
Speaker 1: further conversations, my initial judgment concerning his interest in Marxist
Speaker 1: and based on his words that afternoon, was reinforced. He
Speaker 1: was a man in search of an integrated scientific view
Speaker 1: of life. He found in Marxism the only ideology that
Speaker 1: didn't demand the same kind of blind faith that their
Speaker 1: religions demanded. He found in Marxism that the only philosophy
Speaker 1: of modern times that claimed a vital, relevant connection to
Speaker 1: life on this planet. Significantly, he was not entirely satisfied
Speaker 1: with Marxism. Against my charges that it was also rooted
Speaker 1: in faith and certainly not scientific in many important respects,
Speaker 1: he could only say, but what else is there? At
Speaker 1: that time I could not give him a satisfactory answer.
Speaker 1: I could only indicate my belief that ultimately one must
Speaker 1: work out one's own personal religion or philosophy. For a
Speaker 1: man who was out to change the world. A personal
Speaker 1: philosophy was not enough. Oswald needed a head start. Oswald
Speaker 1: needed a movement he could join and help bring the
Speaker 1: fruition in his lifetime. In essence, he did not have
Speaker 1: the courage to stand alone and yet, to create one's
Speaker 1: own view of the world, one must stand alone and think.
Speaker 1: I've never personally known an individual more motivated by what
Speaker 1: appeared to be a genuine concern for the human race
Speaker 1: than Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee was moved by what people
Speaker 1: usually call the purest humanitarian sentiments. Oswald was a philanthropist.
Speaker 1: After our first exchange of ideas, sparked by the discussion
Speaker 1: on religion, we got into quite a few extended discussions.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we both took the side of atheism and argued
Speaker 1: with the more excitable Christian fundamentalists in the outfit. At
Speaker 1: other times we directed our rhetoric at each other. The
Speaker 1: result was that there developed between us a sense of
Speaker 1: kinship tempered with the sharp differences. We were never close friends.
Speaker 1: Oswald was not the sort who formed close friendships. Yet
Speaker 1: I think in some ways I came to know him
Speaker 1: very well because of our disagreements. His concern for other people,
Speaker 1: not as individuals, but as a mass was real. Oswald
Speaker 1: was unselfish. He was so unselfish that he couldn't seem
Speaker 1: to concentrate on his own affairs. He would rather be
Speaker 1: busy solving the problems of mankind. I would suggest that
Speaker 1: he might have been bored with his own life as
Speaker 1: it stood. The problems of others. The famines, the plagues,
Speaker 1: the revolutions, and the wars were far more interesting challenges
Speaker 1: to his imagination than, say, whether or not his shoes
Speaker 1: were shined before tomorrow's inspection. So he invariably turned out
Speaker 1: for inspection with unshined shoes, and when he was punished
Speaker 1: for it, he prefarred to believe that he was being
Speaker 1: picked on by malevolent beings who hated him for wanting
Speaker 1: to solve the world's problems, for wanting to liberate those
Speaker 1: malevolent beings. A person's in authority wanted to continue to
Speaker 1: exploit that Oswald observed that his own affairs were boring
Speaker 1: might have been the major contributing factor to his secret
Speaker 1: fear that he was just another faceless everyman in the ranks.
Speaker 1: And as I have shown, the resulting apathy toward mining
Speaker 1: his own business probably led directly to his special treatment,
Speaker 1: which in turn provided him with a counterfeit evidence that
Speaker 1: he was a special man instead of a faceless every man.
Speaker 1: It was a cycle which would have tended to gain
Speaker 1: momentum as it went along a flywheel or a whirlpool.
Speaker 1: As I told the Warren Commission, he looked upon the
Speaker 1: eyes of future people as some kind of tribunal and
Speaker 1: he wanted to be on the winning side, so that
Speaker 1: ten thousand years from now people would look in the
Speaker 1: history books and say, well, this man was ahead of
Speaker 1: his time. He was concerned with his image in history.
Speaker 1: Such of you necessarily implies that Oswald was convinced of
Speaker 1: the invincibility of communism world victory, and I am not
Speaker 1: sure that he was entirely pleased with such a prospect.
Speaker 1: First that he denied being a communist bad possible importance here.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, in the circumstances, it might
Speaker 1: have been going even too far for Oswald to stand
Speaker 1: up and say he was utterly committed to achieving a
Speaker 1: total communist victory. What causes me to have a second
Speaker 1: thought about his commitment to communism is enthusiasm for a
Speaker 1: book unpopular with the few self admitted communists. I have
Speaker 1: known for obvious reasons. The book was George Orwell's nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four, a severe criticism and fiction form of socialist totalitarianism.
Speaker 1: All right, so let me fucking bring this up. I
Speaker 1: don't remember remember ever seeing any reference period ever to
Speaker 1: Oswald saying anything about nineteen eighty four, only that it
Speaker 1: came from Carry Thornley. I know that allegedly a copy
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty four was taken from Oswald's fucking boarding
Speaker 1: house when he was allegedly arrested, right, but that boarding
Speaker 1: house Oswald never stayed at, Cary Thornley did, so Carry
Speaker 1: Thornley obviously would have put to George Orswell's nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: four there, and so it can Does anybody know of
Speaker 1: any other references to nineteen eighty four and Oswald that
Speaker 1: would indicate this came from anywhere other than carry Thorntley.
Speaker 1: Is there any substantiating information that indicates anything about nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four with Oswald that doesn't have to do with
Speaker 1: Kerry Thornley. I think the answer is no, But if
Speaker 1: anybody has anything different, please let me know. As soon
Speaker 1: as he learned that I had not yet read this book.
Speaker 1: He urged me to do so at once. In fact,
Speaker 1: it might be very well that he had loaned or
Speaker 1: gave me paperbound editions upon his enthusiastic recommendation. I read
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four and for a while decided Oswald was
Speaker 1: not truly in sympathy with Marxism. It had to be
Speaker 1: a joke. I concluded that explained his tight little smile.
Speaker 1: He was laughing to himself. I was sure he saw
Speaker 1: all the fallacies and socialism that George Orwell saw, And
Speaker 1: on this final point, I'm still not convinced I was wrong.
Speaker 1: That might be the truest thing Kerry Thornly ever said. Unfortunately, however,
Speaker 1: one gaping hole in socialism that both Orwell and Oswell
Speaker 1: fail to see was the impossibility of supporting an industrial
Speaker 1: civilization utilizing fear instead of profit as a motivation. Inventors
Speaker 1: don't invent because they are ordered to or because they
Speaker 1: are told to it is their duty. Engineers don't engineer,
Speaker 1: and innovators don't innovate on command. Scientists don't make discoveries
Speaker 1: according to master plans or regulations. If this concept is grasped,
Speaker 1: the vanity of Marxists boasting about the inevitability of the
Speaker 1: triumph of the dictatorship of the patroletariat is seen also
Speaker 1: apparent as the absurdity of those who imagine the world
Speaker 1: and the grips of all powerful Communist conspiracy. If the
Speaker 1: Communists are to win, they must continue to gradually renounce
Speaker 1: the original goals set forth by Marx. If this is done,
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union will have to become a free nation,
Speaker 1: and both a free exchange of ideas and a free
Speaker 1: exchange of goods. But Oswald could not have understood this,
Speaker 1: for he saw the future of mankind as a dark one,
Speaker 1: filled with the poverty and oppression of nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: controlled by an all powerful state, which would be equipped
Speaker 1: somehow with the infernal inventions necessary to check and double
Speaker 1: check upon its subjects. How such a state could maintain itself,
Speaker 1: who would tax for its wealth? How it would persuade
Speaker 1: intelligent beings to keep its complex machinery and condition, was
Speaker 1: a problem to which he gave little or no thought.
Speaker 1: He was therefore a victim of somewhat groundless fears. He
Speaker 1: further observed that the mixed economy of the United States,
Speaker 1: to which he mistakenly referred to as capitalism was moving
Speaker 1: toward totalitarianism, and if he had wanted to examine the
Speaker 1: evidence carefully, he could have seen that the present day
Speaker 1: Soviet Union was even closer to Orwell's nightmare. But he
Speaker 1: didn't want to examine the evidence if the conclusion it
Speaker 1: necessitated might, as he seemed to suspect in this case,
Speaker 1: proved depressing. He wanted to believe that somewhere there was
Speaker 1: total freedom, so that this is exactly what he did believe,
Speaker 1: and of course the only possible place for such freedom
Speaker 1: had to be on the other side of that communications barrier,
Speaker 1: the Iron curtain. If freedom was not there, it was nowhere,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to believe it was somewhere. Further, freedom
Speaker 1: was nowhere, as Oswald recognized the possibility, for he was
Speaker 1: not by any means completely out of touch with reality.
Speaker 1: Then he wanted at least to be on the winning side.
Speaker 1: For on the winning side he could extend his influence
Speaker 1: in opposition to the all powerful state. He could work
Speaker 1: for the creation of an anarchist society where there would
Speaker 1: be no state to oppress humanity. Marxism here reasserts itself
Speaker 1: as a ready made vehicle for Oswald's ambitions. For if
Speaker 1: this did indeed turn out to be a world wherein
Speaker 1: one must either oppress or be a victim of oppression,
Speaker 1: Oswald would prefer to be an oppressor. And if he
Speaker 1: could oppress in the name of freedom, if he could
Speaker 1: oppress in the public interest, if he could oppress the
Speaker 1: eventual good of all people, that Oswald would be a
Speaker 1: totally fulfilled man. He would be having his cake and
Speaker 1: eating it too. I say all this with a great
Speaker 1: deal of conviction, but I must point out that it
Speaker 1: is my conjecture based not so much on words I
Speaker 1: remember having heard Oswald utter, as on my general subjective
Speaker 1: impression of his attitude. I must further point out that
Speaker 1: much of my conviction here is reaffirmed not only by
Speaker 1: Oswald's writing, but that had been published since I knew him,
Speaker 1: but my own line of thinking, which was in part
Speaker 1: stimulated by my arguments with Oswald, which resulted about one
Speaker 1: year later in my seriously contemplating joining the communist cause.
Speaker 1: This guy is so fucking full of shit. It was
Speaker 1: only upon the basis of the fallacy of the motivation
Speaker 1: by fear, which is the same day as motivation by law.
Speaker 1: Having been pointed out to me that I came to
Speaker 1: reconsider not only the validity of communism, but the validity
Speaker 1: of all socialist thinking and state planning as well. Now
Speaker 1: that Oswald's belief in the old victory of Marxism in
Speaker 1: either a malevolent or benevolent form, depending very much on
Speaker 1: Oswald's future success in achieving power within the party, has
Speaker 1: been some extent established as probable, I shall return to
Speaker 1: my earlier assertion that he had what the Warrant Commission
Speaker 1: calls an extraordinary point of view of history. Perhaps the
Speaker 1: words of his arch hero Fidel Castro influenced him here,
Speaker 1: or perhaps Castro was merely expressing a view especially common with,
Speaker 1: though not exclusive to, the Marxist mind. Men may condemn me,
Speaker 1: but history will justify me. For some of us who
Speaker 1: find ourselves stranded one day without a God, there occurs
Speaker 1: a strong temptation to find a substitute, since it is
Speaker 1: impossible to live without certainty. We encounter one occasion after
Speaker 1: another in life when we must stake our lives on
Speaker 1: our judgment, and if our judgment is wrong, if we
Speaker 1: take the wrong course at the wrong time, we are doomed.
Speaker 1: And when a mistaken choice does not result in our destruction,
Speaker 1: we are aware that it can still leave us with
Speaker 1: a ruined life. So as living beings, we must yearn
Speaker 1: for certainty. And if we do not care to think,
Speaker 1: do not care to remain totally rational in all our
Speaker 1: waking hours, we must counterfeit for ourselves a sense of certainty,
Speaker 1: or go insane or commit suicide. I think that Oswald's
Speaker 1: counterfeit sense of certainty is issued from believing in history
Speaker 1: as much as many believe in God, except that his
Speaker 1: belief rested not on anything so obviously absurd as blind faith,
Speaker 1: but on intellectual evasion, a subtler sort of faith. And
Speaker 1: I further believe that for his lost religion he founded
Speaker 1: other need fulfilling substitutes. In Marxism, for example, I think
Speaker 1: he traded an original sin for historical necessity, since both
Speaker 1: take from the man the responsibility of the evil and
Speaker 1: suffering in the world, while at the same time paradoxically
Speaker 1: placing the burdens squarely on his shoulders in an almost
Speaker 1: unaltered form. Though I have not the vaguest idea as
Speaker 1: to what need these curious doctrines fulfill, so in conclusion,
Speaker 1: I will say that despite his reservations. When Lee said,
Speaker 1: in effect that his religion was communism, he meant every
Speaker 1: word of it, and tragically, his religion was communism, not
Speaker 1: because of any great superiority on the part of that ideology,
Speaker 1: but for the lack of a better alternative, conspicuous, conspicuously
Speaker 1: available to him in the United States of America. And
Speaker 1: that is the end of chapter three, and that brings
Speaker 1: us the chapter four Ozzie Rabbit and the Power of Laughter.
Speaker 1: All right, the Ozzi Rabbit thing. Ooh, that's kind of complicated,
Speaker 1: and it kind of helps us pin down which Oswald
Speaker 1: was where when, because well, we'll talk about it on
Speaker 1: the next episode. But the Ozzi Rabbit stuff comes up
Speaker 1: because Oswald's middle name was Harvey, and Harvey was the
Speaker 1: name of the rabbit in that movie that came out
Speaker 1: in the sixties or the fifties. So that's why that
Speaker 1: all ties in and comes up. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: you can kind of tell which of the Oswald's was
Speaker 1: where based on their reactions to being called Harvey. But
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that on the next time. Guys, please
Speaker 1: go out and buy my book. If you haven't bought
Speaker 1: my book, go buy the fucking book, and that's going
Speaker 1: to do it for today. Follow me on X Bloody
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