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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, everybody. Corey is Buddy History. We're continuing on

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<v Speaker 1>with Kerry Thornley's book Oswald, chapter one today. He did

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<v Speaker 1>the intro the other day, and I gotta apologize, I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very close to getting a thousand subscribers on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>which means I'll be able to monetize the channel. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be honest with you, I fucking hate doing video.

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<v Speaker 1>If I could never do video the rest of my life,

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<v Speaker 1>I would never do video the rest of my fucking life.

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<v Speaker 1>I like audio. I like being able to sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and just fucking talk and not worry that my hair's

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<v Speaker 1>messed up or my fucking I'm sitting here in my underwear. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't like doing video. I just don't. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's become a necessary part of the fucking equation, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess for people who do what I do. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to start doing these on video on YouTube again,

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<v Speaker 1>probably next week. I was gone at today, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't fucking feel like it. So but subscribe on the YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I hate to tell you I fucking hate video.

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<v Speaker 1>It sucks, And then go subscribe there, right, fucking what

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<v Speaker 1>am I supposed to do? Guys? So please go subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>it to YouTube because hopefully they'll pay me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like fifty bucks a month or something. That'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>But that'll start next week. I've been slacking, and I

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for that, but we're gonna continue on today with

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<v Speaker 1>uh oh, and I've got some other let me talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this too. So so right now, I've got basically

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<v Speaker 1>three books in the works. Okay, I have Lee, Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald and Black and White Volume two, which is on

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald in the Marines and all the conflicts there. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I've got the second edition of A Warning from History,

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<v Speaker 1>which will end up being a volume one, volume two

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing when I get that done. And my

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<v Speaker 1>plan originally was to knock out this volume two first

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<v Speaker 1>of Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White. I figure

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<v Speaker 1>I fight, I mean, if I really buckle down, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have it out by early March. But I find myself

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<v Speaker 1>being overwhelmingly pulled towards the Warning from History project. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start probably later today getting my template

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<v Speaker 1>formats done, and it'll be an interesting process because what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing is I'm basically I'm adding all the documents

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<v Speaker 1>right I'm updating some of the text, and I'm adding

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<v Speaker 1>all the documents, and so it's gonna look very similar

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<v Speaker 1>to Leharvy Oswald and Black and White Volume one, where

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<v Speaker 1>you flip through it and you got all the documents

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<v Speaker 1>and pictures and all that stuff. So the changes I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make, I'm gonna adjust the fonts. If I were

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the seventeen point font that I did in

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<v Speaker 1>Leearvy Oswald and Black and White, this fucking thing would

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<v Speaker 1>end up being like, you know, a thousand pages just

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<v Speaker 1>because the font's so big. So I have to experiment

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<v Speaker 1>with some font sizes because I'm trying to get the

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<v Speaker 1>book down to about eight hundred pages two volume set

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred pages. I think I went with like a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking I don't even know what font size I used

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<v Speaker 1>in the original version, but keeping roughly that original version

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<v Speaker 1>font should keep me in the eight hundred page range,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I'm trying to do. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>around maybe it'll probably be a little more than eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pages, but it's gonna end up being a two

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<v Speaker 1>volume set. I don't have a choice. I can't. Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>will not publish an eight hundred page book. They just

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<v Speaker 1>won't do it. Uh, so I'm gonna have to do

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<v Speaker 1>two volume set. And so that's my plan for the year.

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<v Speaker 1>These three books, right, the past couple of weeks are

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<v Speaker 1>actually more like a past month. Every fucking day I

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<v Speaker 1>come and I sit down, and I go to work

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<v Speaker 1>on this book. And I just don't want to work

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<v Speaker 1>on the book. I just don't. I just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the fuck my problem is. I just haven't

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to fucking do it. I know what I gotta do.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the exact you know. I got the next

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty pages already written in my head. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. I just haven't wanted to. So that

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<v Speaker 1>told me something, right, that told me I should fucking

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<v Speaker 1>never never. Here's the thing when you're when you're when

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<v Speaker 1>you're a writer, an artist, or whatever the fuck it is,

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<v Speaker 1>you do like if you run into a roadblock, just

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<v Speaker 1>come back to it, like, don't keep banging your head

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<v Speaker 1>against a fucking wall, which is what I've allowed myself

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<v Speaker 1>to do for the past month. So I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>end up switching over and either knocking out a Warning

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<v Speaker 1>from History second edition first, or I might just string

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<v Speaker 1>the whole fucking thing along and work on all three

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<v Speaker 1>at once. I don't know the a warning for history stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how long it'll take me. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it'll take me too long. I think I could

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<v Speaker 1>have that done in a couple of months, because basically

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working with some new software, Affinity software, which is

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<v Speaker 1>fucking phenomenal for publishing, and basically I can import each

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<v Speaker 1>chapter right, and then I just have to read each

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<v Speaker 1>chapter and kind of rewrite or adjust some of the text,

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<v Speaker 1>update some of my perspectives because I have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of perspectives that have been updated, and then I have

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<v Speaker 1>to just go in and pick out the points at

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<v Speaker 1>which I want to insert documents. And so I figured

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have documents minimum every third page, but it's more

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<v Speaker 1>likely gonna be every other page and on some pages,

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<v Speaker 1>every page, right, And so it'll be a balancing act

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get it into a two volume set,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because if you get if it comes out

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<v Speaker 1>too short, then you then I can't do the two

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<v Speaker 1>volume set, Like if it comes out around six hundred pages,

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<v Speaker 1>that sucks because then you get and you end up

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<v Speaker 1>with two short volumes instead of one long volume. And

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<v Speaker 1>so these are all things that I'm kind of juggling

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<v Speaker 1>in my head right now. But over the next week

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<v Speaker 1>or two I will have I've already got like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>pages of volume two Lee Harvey Oswald finished. It's already done, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I could probably have that much of a Warning from

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<v Speaker 1>History second edition done in like the next really about

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<v Speaker 1>the next week or two. And so I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna hop in. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do all my formatting and get the project rolling just

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of see how much time it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take me. And actually, the more I think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>the more I think that I can probably knock it

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<v Speaker 1>write anything new original except for some updates. The Le

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Oswell Volume two I still have to write out

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<v Speaker 1>actually another two hundred pages, right, So I might be

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<v Speaker 1>doing myself a favor by doing Neil Warning from History

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<v Speaker 1>series first, which I plan on it being the definitive work.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I reference a lot of documents, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't see them in the book. And so once people

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<v Speaker 1>can see the documents and see the statements and see

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Hall's confession that he was at Sylvia Odio's right.

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<v Speaker 1>All this stuff will congeal a lot better than just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, quoting documents. So I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>hope that the second edition will do really well. The

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<v Speaker 1>first edition has sold, I don't know. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>say I've probably sold upwards of two thousand copies thereabouts,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is okay. We'd done. We did a

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<v Speaker 1>couple hundred pre orders for ebooks before the fucking book

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<v Speaker 1>even came out, which is crazy to me. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like if I were to go back and try to

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<v Speaker 1>do some of the things I've already done, they would

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<v Speaker 1>never work again. It's a miracle they worked the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Like getting one hundred fifty plus fucking pre orders for

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<v Speaker 1>a book for a guy who's never written a book before,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's pretty fucking good. So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>my plans for the year. Three books this year, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen. It's the order that is up

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<v Speaker 1>for debate, and the debate is ultimately with myself, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So but yeah, let me just continue on with Chapter

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<v Speaker 1>one of Oswald by Carrie Thornley. A dastardly individual who

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<v Speaker 1>was in on the planning of the assassination shot JD. Tippett. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go, Chapter one, A prelude to understanding

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual evasion and frantic despair. Oh, Kerry Thornley is quite hyperbolic.

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<v Speaker 1>In case you haven't never realized this, he has a

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<v Speaker 1>quote here from Lee Harvey Oswald that I never heard before.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I fuck he got it. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what would happen if somebody was to stand

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<v Speaker 1>up and say he was utterly opposed not only to

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<v Speaker 1>governments but to the people. Lee Harvey Oswald sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>something Kerry Thorny would make up. Aristotle said that if

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<v Speaker 1>a man gets drunk, and, as a result of his drunkenness,

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<v Speaker 1>flies into a rage and kills another, he is not

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<v Speaker 1>to be excused in the least from the consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>his act. For upon wilfully allowing his mind to be

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<v Speaker 1>dulled or his rationality suspended, a man must assume full

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility for whatever his uncontrolled actions then affect in justice.

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<v Speaker 1>To choose to abandon one's mind in any manner is

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<v Speaker 1>much the same as leaping from a motor vehicle once

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<v Speaker 1>it is in motion. What really happens is that the

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<v Speaker 1>mind abandons the vehicle the body, and must therefore stand

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for whatever damage the uncontrolled vehicle causes. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ironic, isn't it kind of ironic that I'm reading

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone's getting wrong. Let me read this paragraph again. Injustice,

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<v Speaker 1>to choose to abandon one's mind any manner is much

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<v Speaker 1>the same as leaping from a motor vehicle once it

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<v Speaker 1>is in motion. What really happens is that the mind

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<v Speaker 1>abandons the vehicle the body, and must therefore stand responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever damage the uncontrolled vehicle causes, just like the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle that drove away in this ice shooting and smashed

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<v Speaker 1>run over anybody on the street. Tragically, there are That's

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation I've been having on X people are so stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an ex cop, I've been through this personally. I

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what the fuck the law says on this,

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<v Speaker 1>and what situations and police psychologies say on that situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and the general populace is just so stupid on the matter. Tragically,

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<v Speaker 1>there are more ways of dulling or suspending human rationality.

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<v Speaker 1>Than drinking. Drinking, in fact, is one of the least popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Far more common than blind drunkenness is blind faith. And

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<v Speaker 1>before that comes what is probably the number one intoxic

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<v Speaker 1>in the world over, the true opiate of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Intellectual evasion and intellectual evasion is a politician's answer to

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<v Speaker 1>an unpleasant question. An intellectual evasion is no answer at all,

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up in a package of answer sounding words. When

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<v Speaker 1>a politician tells you not to worry about the national

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<v Speaker 1>debt because we owe it to ourselves, that is an

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual evasion. When a door to door salesman offers you

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<v Speaker 1>a set of encyclopedias absolutely free, provided you agree to

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<v Speaker 1>pay ten dollars a month, that is an intellectual evasion.

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<v Speaker 1>When a minister tells you to believe in God because

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible because it's God's word, that is an intellectual evasion.

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<v Speaker 1>And when a TV panel showed debater passes himself off

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<v Speaker 1>as culture because of his expertise an intellectual evasion. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>when you'd better jump behind a lamp post there's a

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<v Speaker 1>driverless vehicle barreling down the road. Lee Harvey Oswald, I

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<v Speaker 1>submit arrived at the state of mindlessness that would have

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<v Speaker 1>permitted him to commit murder through a process of intellectual evasion,

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<v Speaker 1>a process which was partially underway when I knew him

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty nine. Evidence would indicate that Oswald's condition

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three. According to the Warrant Commission, Oswald's behavior

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he took so little money with him when

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<v Speaker 1>not expect to get very far from Dallas on his own,

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<v Speaker 1>and suggests the possibility, as did his note, as did

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<v Speaker 1>his note prior to the attempt on General Walker, that

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<v Speaker 1>he did not expect to escape at all. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, he could have traveled some distance with the

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<v Speaker 1>room where he obtained his revolver. He then killed patrolman

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<v Speaker 1>Tippet went bullshit, motherfucker, you killed Patrolman Tippet. You killed Tippet,

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<v Speaker 1>You fucking liar. He then killed patrolman Tippet when that

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<v Speaker 1>he was finally apprehended in the Texas Theater. Although it

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<v Speaker 1>is not fully corroborated by others who were present, to

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<v Speaker 1>officers have testified that at the time of his arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald said something to the effect that it's all over now.

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<v Speaker 1>Despair it would appear existed, but it was not despair

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<v Speaker 1>with resignation. Rather, Oswald exhibited something quite prevalent in our

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<v Speaker 1>culture today, frantic despair. One one hundred and seventy dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to the thirteen dollars and eighty seven cents

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<v Speaker 1>he took with him that faded morning, were in his possession.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet he left one hundred and seventy dollars in a

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<v Speaker 1>wallet in the dresser at the house where his wife

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<v Speaker 1>was staying. All right, let me put this in perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and seventy dollars is a big chunk of money.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't leave the house with one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>fucking dollars in twenty twenty six, Okay, one hundred That

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<v Speaker 1>that much money is like times ten, that's like twelve

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks. Why to fuck would anybody in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three go to work and take twelve hundred fucking dollars

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<v Speaker 1>with them in their pocket. Why the fuck would they

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<v Speaker 1>do that? They wouldn't. It's retarded. This whole story is retarded.

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<v Speaker 1>Him leaving his ring and all that shit retarded, fucking

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<v Speaker 1>made up after the fact. Yet he left one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>seventy dollars in a wallet in the dresser at the

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<v Speaker 1>house where his wife was staying. In considering the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of Oswald's planning and escape to Cuba, the Commission points

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<v Speaker 1>out that it is unlikely that a reasoning person would

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<v Speaker 1>plan an attempt to travel from Dallas, Texas to Cuba

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<v Speaker 1>with thirteen dollars and eighty seven cents when considerably greater

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<v Speaker 1>resources were available to him. The fact that Oswald left

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<v Speaker 1>behind the funds which might have enabled him to reach

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba suggest the absence of any plan to try to flee,

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<v Speaker 1>and raise his serious questions as to whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>he ever expected to escape. Yet we find Oswald killing

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer and attempting to kill others to resist

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<v Speaker 1>questioning and arrest. Only an irrational man attempts to embrace contradictions,

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<v Speaker 1>and Oswald certainly must be judged irrational if one is

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<v Speaker 1>to go on the basis of these two drastically contradictory

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<v Speaker 1>tendencies apparent in his alleged behavior on November twenty second. But,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've indicated, assassins don't have a monopoly on on reason,

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<v Speaker 1>especially on that variety I've named frantic despair. Consider the

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<v Speaker 1>philosopher who asserts that life by nature is wretched, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet who devotes years to panic stricken efforts on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of preventing the nuclear destruction of mankind. Or look among

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<v Speaker 1>the writings of the beats from the antics of Dean

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<v Speaker 1>Moriarty on down the line. What term can better describe

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<v Speaker 1>the behavior of these heroes than frantic despair? Nor is

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<v Speaker 1>frantic despair in contemporary culture confined to those who passes intellectuals.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be surprised at the number of these happy suburban

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<v Speaker 1>wives who simply go berserk one night and run shrieking

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<v Speaker 1>through the street without any clothes on quotes Bety Freedom

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<v Speaker 1>from an interview with an unnamed doctor in her best

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<v Speaker 1>selling book The Feminine Mystique. Miss Frieden substantiates in her

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<v Speaker 1>book of View of the American Career housewife as typically

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<v Speaker 1>a driven woman who is by and large both despairing

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<v Speaker 1>and frantically unresigned in her often random efforts to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>identity and self esteem. Further, and perhaps significant in this context,

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<v Speaker 1>her psychological struggles often seem to affect her children, with

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<v Speaker 1>a tendency to react to life in a similar manner.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it may be safely concluded that the

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<v Speaker 1>state of frantic despair is prevalent enough among individuals in

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<v Speaker 1>at least our culture at this time to produce in

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<v Speaker 1>many situations in atmosphere or frantic despair. An atmosphere more

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<v Speaker 1>to be expected a tribe of savages helpless against nature's

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<v Speaker 1>whims than in a highly comfortable and industrial, industrial competent

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<v Speaker 1>civilization such as our own. And indeed, it has been

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<v Speaker 1>recently demonstrated by means of a nation survey conducted by

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Raymond B. Ktel of the University of Illinois, that

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<v Speaker 1>the highly industrialized nations of the world, including America, have

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<v Speaker 1>lower general levels of anxiety than do less developed countries

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<v Speaker 1>such as India. So we may further conclude that the

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<v Speaker 1>syndrome involving frantic despair is by no means a result

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<v Speaker 1>of increased industrialization, nor is it universal in our culture.

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<v Speaker 1>The very fact that it can be discerned with such

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<v Speaker 1>striking clarity here in modern day America would seem to

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<v Speaker 1>indicate that it is in sharp contrast with what most

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<v Speaker 1>of us regard as the logical reaction to this environment.

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<v Speaker 1>We would seem safe, then, to conclude that the state

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<v Speaker 1>of frantic despair is something that must be arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>by a special route. And if the writings of Sarta

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<v Speaker 1>Jeanette Kerouac, Colin Wilson, and the reports of Betty Frieden

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<v Speaker 1>are to be credited, and in this instance their popularity

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<v Speaker 1>itself can be considered as a probable accreditation, it might

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<v Speaker 1>well be that this special route is being followed by

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<v Speaker 1>an ever widening group of people. It is my opinion

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<v Speaker 1>that the state of frantic despair is most commonly arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at by means of intellectual evasion. And on the basis

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<v Speaker 1>of my acquaintance with Lee Harvey Oswald, and on what

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<v Speaker 1>I have learned about him since then, I've decided that

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<v Speaker 1>he did arrive at the state of frantic despair by

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<v Speaker 1>such means, and in the state of frantic despair, probably

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to assassinate General Walker, and probably did assassinate President Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone into this subject in some detail at the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of belaboring a point here and there, because it

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<v Speaker 1>is also absolutely essential in explaining how the Ohs were

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<v Speaker 1>I knew could have in just four years and five

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<v Speaker 1>months or so, arrived at a point where he was

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<v Speaker 1>fully capable of cold blooded murder. For the Oswald I

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<v Speaker 1>knew was a wholly different sort of fellow in some

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<v Speaker 1>essential respects from the angry little man who later was

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<v Speaker 1>to dwell upon the possibilities of one standing up and

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<v Speaker 1>announcing his utter opposition to everything, governments, the people, to

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<v Speaker 1>the entire land, and complete foundations of his society. Chapter two,

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<v Speaker 1>Private Oswald and the Importance of being persecuted. In Thornley's view,

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald labored under a persecution complex which he strove to maintain.

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<v Speaker 1>The report of the Warrant Commission. No clear picture of

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<v Speaker 1>my first sight of Oswald remains in my memory. He

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<v Speaker 1>did not make a lasting first impression on me, for

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<v Speaker 1>in appearance he was practically nondescript. I transferred into his

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<v Speaker 1>outfit Marine Air Control Squadron nine in either late winter

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<v Speaker 1>or early spring of nineteen fifty nine. It was early spring.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember only that it was after New Year and

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<v Speaker 1>before Easter. Previously I had been with another unit located

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<v Speaker 1>at the same place and directly next door to m

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<v Speaker 1>ACS nine, So at the time the change was a

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<v Speaker 1>mere minor one more important to the Remington raiders in

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<v Speaker 1>the administration sections than to me. Okay, this is significant.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me because I'm gonna have to go double checked this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to go double checked this because I

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<v Speaker 1>have his roster and it says here that he was

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<v Speaker 1>at Oka. See he was less than like in Temecula, California,

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<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of shit like he was in California

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<v Speaker 1>for most of his on paper marine life. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I busted him December nineteen fifty seven, graduating from Biloxi

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<v Speaker 1>in a basic electronics course. After that he'll go, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>attend the Aircraft Control and Morning Operator course that Oswald took, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But none of that's on his fucking roster. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what he did. It's funny because when you read

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<v Speaker 1>the roster, it's like there's no nothing about aircraft control

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<v Speaker 1>and warning operator at all, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a fucking allegedly a radar operator. So I got

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<v Speaker 1>to clarify something. None of these guys were really radar operators.

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<v Speaker 1>They worked in the radar operator room, but to be

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<v Speaker 1>a radar operator you had to do a thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>week course. None of these focks did this, not carry Thornley,

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<v Speaker 1>not Oswald. None of the guys who were in Oswald's group,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't radar guys. They mostly worked the plotting board

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<v Speaker 1>and they did I don't know other shit in the

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<v Speaker 1>radar room. See, this is all supposed to be top secret,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're not supposed to know any of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do know for fact, because it's in their

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<v Speaker 1>own goddamn marine documentation that the guys who sat behind

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<v Speaker 1>the radar booths took a thirty three week course. None

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<v Speaker 1>of our guys in the cast of characters did that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, where the fuck was was Thornley right before

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<v Speaker 1>he was at MACS nine. I have to double check.

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<v Speaker 1>When I think of Oswald's name and connection with those days,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear it being shouted by an authoritative voice that

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<v Speaker 1>seems worn thin by her, And in my mind's eye,

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<v Speaker 1>I see an out of focused picture of a jar

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<v Speaker 1>head private with a swab in hand, slopping soapy water

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<v Speaker 1>over the wooden plank porch of the operations hut. The

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<v Speaker 1>private has the bill of his utility cap pulled down

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<v Speaker 1>over his eyes, apparently so we will he will have

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<v Speaker 1>to see a little of the unpleasant military world around

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<v Speaker 1>him as possible. Yep. So Oswald was always in trouble

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<v Speaker 1>like he did. He was never behind a radar operator

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<v Speaker 1>unit because he was always fucking on admin duty because

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<v Speaker 1>he was in trouble, and he was seeing emptying garbage

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<v Speaker 1>cans and mopping shit up and stuff overlaid on this picture,

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<v Speaker 1>as in multiple exposure, I see the same private with

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<v Speaker 1>a broom, with the rake, with the lawnmower, and with

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<v Speaker 1>a grass edger. Associated in my mind with these visions

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<v Speaker 1>is a vague feeling of sympathy that might find expression

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<v Speaker 1>in the question why are they always picking on that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>As time went on, I came to gather other more

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<v Speaker 1>vivid impressions of Private Oswald, but the image of him

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<v Speaker 1>as a poor persecuted soul never entirely vanished. Oswald kept

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<v Speaker 1>afresh when he was ordered to do something, he would

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<v Speaker 1>answer sir in a tone that conveyed clearly that he

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<v Speaker 1>had fully expected to be ordered to the task, but

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<v Speaker 1>that he sure didn't have to pretend that he liked

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<v Speaker 1>an liked it any It was the kind of tone

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<v Speaker 1>that most people would use while saying, wouldn't you know

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<v Speaker 1>it after a particularly bad piece of luck, And if

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<v Speaker 1>by some chance you didn't see that Oswald was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>being singled out for special treatment, he would mention it

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<v Speaker 1>to you in the form of a bitter aside to

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<v Speaker 1>his conversation, usually adding his opinion that those in command

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<v Speaker 1>were of not too perceptive conviction that he was a

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<v Speaker 1>communist spy or something, and therefore felt he had it coming.

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<v Speaker 1>But as his words in tone would have now been

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<v Speaker 1>made clear, Oswald was willing to be grimly amused by

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. I'm certain that in his own eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald was the most important man in the unit. To him,

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<v Speaker 1>the mark of destiny was clearly visible on his forehead,

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<v Speaker 1>and that some were blind to it was his eternal

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<v Speaker 1>source of aggravation. It was far more comforting for him

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<v Speaker 1>to know that there were those who would gladly kill

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<v Speaker 1>him than it would have been for him to think

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<v Speaker 1>that he was just another faceless marine in the ranks

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<v Speaker 1>that morning muster. For deep within he feared that he

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<v Speaker 1>really was that faceless nobody, and the hostility of others

417
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<v Speaker 1>when directed him alone, was his most convenient reassurance. That

418
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<v Speaker 1>he was instead a very unique somebody, somebody who could

419
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<v Speaker 1>provoke anger and perhaps a little fear in those in

420
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<v Speaker 1>an unjust system had placed him. Above was the self

421
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<v Speaker 1>image he required and strove to perpetuate. And as I've indicated,

422
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<v Speaker 1>in contrast to Oswald's self image was his appearance. He

423
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<v Speaker 1>was not much taller or much shorter than most other people,

424
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<v Speaker 1>nor was he much fatter or much leaner. His hair

425
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<v Speaker 1>was brown, medium brown, his eyes were blue gray. If anything,

426
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<v Speaker 1>he was a bit smaller than most men, a bit

427
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<v Speaker 1>lighter in weight. That was all, considering that he had

428
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<v Speaker 1>such a poor foundation on which to build a striking appearance,

429
00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Oswald did pretty well. First, he usually remembered to set

430
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<v Speaker 1>himself off by maintaining a tight and angry little smile

431
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<v Speaker 1>at all times. Also managed to look a little sloppier

432
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<v Speaker 1>in his dress than any other marine. But beyond that,

433
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<v Speaker 1>under the circumstances there was not much else to be done.

434
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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, he had to rely on his

435
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<v Speaker 1>words to emphasize his individuality, a subject to be handled

436
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<v Speaker 1>in detail in a separate chapter. While all I've said

437
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<v Speaker 1>about him up till now is true, I wish to

438
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<v Speaker 1>stop short of giving the impression that Oswald's persecution complex

439
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<v Speaker 1>was a central aspect of his personality at that time.

440
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<v Speaker 1>It was not. It was instead something usually observed out

441
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<v Speaker 1>of the corner of an eye. While considering the whole man.

442
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<v Speaker 1>In my own professional opinion, he was not paranoid, but

443
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<v Speaker 1>as I told the Commission, I did think there was

444
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<v Speaker 1>in him a tendency toward paranoia that, in certain circumstances

445
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<v Speaker 1>might become more pronounced. This last, however, was simply an

446
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<v Speaker 1>uninformed guess on my part. One may now wonder how

447
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<v Speaker 1>it was that Private Oswald was most typically observed at

448
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<v Speaker 1>some menial job, if it were not true that he

449
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<v Speaker 1>was a real object of persecution, due perhaps to his

450
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<v Speaker 1>subvert leanings. This, I submit, Oswald brought on himself. Elsewhere

451
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<v Speaker 1>I will go into the techniques he use for now.

452
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<v Speaker 1>Allow me to say that he went out of his

453
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<v Speaker 1>way time after time to do whatever he could to

454
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<v Speaker 1>displease the officers and staff NCOs that were in charge

455
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<v Speaker 1>of him. Unfortunately, there were times, though, when Oswald was

456
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<v Speaker 1>given genuine reasonab believe they were after him. The most

457
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 1>dramatic example came to my knowledge second hand, so I

458
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<v Speaker 1>may not have all the details correct. I have checked

459
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<v Speaker 1>into the origin of the story enough, however, to ascertain

460
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<v Speaker 1>that it does have a basis in truth. It was

461
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<v Speaker 1>apparently in Macs nine, and probably before I arrived there,

462
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<v Speaker 1>that a young lieutenant happened to notice in the mailroom

463
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<v Speaker 1>one day a newspaper addressed to Oswald, which was in

464
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<v Speaker 1>the Russian language and by some reports, had been mailed

465
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<v Speaker 1>from the Soviet Union. According to the story, the lieutenant

466
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>grew very excited over his discovery and possibly made an

467
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<v Speaker 1>open issue of Oswald's probable sympathy to the Communist cause.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Most of the troops, who had learned to take Oswald

469
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<v Speaker 1>in perspective, were very much immune used at the lieutenant's

470
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:05.039
<v Speaker 1>having pushed the panic button. Oswald, of course didn't think

471
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.319
<v Speaker 1>it was so funny, But apparently the lieutenant's warnings were

472
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<v Speaker 1>ignored by the command, which had perhaps learned to take

473
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<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic young lieutenants in perspective, so private Lee H. Oswald

474
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<v Speaker 1>was the outfit eight ball. He was what in the

475
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.599
<v Speaker 1>army they call a yardbird and in Marine Corps shitbird.

476
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>He was a born loser, and he was fully as

477
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<v Speaker 1>bitter as mess Hall coffee about it and concerning the

478
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<v Speaker 1>cause of the situation, Oswald chose to believe the explanation

479
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<v Speaker 1>that was to him the most attractive, that his unique

480
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<v Speaker 1>status as a sub subversive, and perhaps his superior intelligence,

481
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<v Speaker 1>was the reason for his special treatment, and that this,

482
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<v Speaker 1>in the face of evidence yet to the contrary, required

483
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<v Speaker 1>a process of intellectual evasion. Yet at the time Oswald

484
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was far from despairing. His service in the military Corps

485
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.039
<v Speaker 1>or in the Marine Corps was about to end, and

486
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<v Speaker 1>beyond his coming day of discharge, a whole new world

487
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>awaited him, a world that would be somehow different from

488
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<v Speaker 1>what he'd known in the past. Perhaps he would go

489
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<v Speaker 1>to the Soviet Union and play an important role in

490
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.279
<v Speaker 1>the building of a new humanity. Perhaps he would go

491
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<v Speaker 1>to Cuba and join Castro in the fight to free

492
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the Caribbean from the clutch of imperialists.

493
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<v Speaker 1>A thousand opportunities awaited the man who bore the mark

494
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.559
<v Speaker 1>of destiny, he had only to choose among them. It

495
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.440
<v Speaker 1>may have been about then that Oswald and another Maacs

496
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<v Speaker 1>nine marine, Nelson Delgado, in the words of the war Report,

497
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes imagine themselves as leaders in the Cuban army or government.

498
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<v Speaker 1>A good summary to this chapter is also contained in

499
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<v Speaker 1>that report. He used his Marxist and associated activities as

500
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<v Speaker 1>his excuse for difficulties in getting along in the world,

501
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 1>which were usually caused by entirely different factors. His use

502
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 1>of those excuses to present himself to the world as

503
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 1>a person who was being unfairly treated is shown most

504
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>clearly by his employment relations after his return from the

505
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union. Of course, he made his real problems worse

506
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.599
<v Speaker 1>to the extent that his use of those excuses prevented

507
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:06.319
<v Speaker 1>him from discovering the real reasons for and attempting to

508
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>overcome his difficulties. All right, I fucking hate carry thorn Landy.

509
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I fucking hate this guy, like fuck this dude three,

510
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Comrade Oswald and the holy cause of mankind. I think

511
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>the best religion is communism, Lee Harvey Oswald. That's a quote. Allegedly,

512
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>we were sitting around in the afternoon sun I was

513
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>reading a paperback book. Oswald was reading a notebook, possibly

514
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>studying his Russian Nelson Dugatta was there involved in a

515
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>religious discussion with another man. Two or three others were

516
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>sitting around on inverted buckets, cleaning their rifles or shining

517
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.519
<v Speaker 1>their shoes. Duty was easy in MACS nine. Many of

518
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 1>us were watchstanders, and sometimes we had afternoons off. We

519
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 1>could not leave the base, but we could sit outside

520
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 1>the recreation hunt and enjoy the California sun. Shoot the

521
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 1>bull about whatever crossed our minds. Reader, take care of

522
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 1>our personal effects. MACS nine was located at a subsidiary

523
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.279
<v Speaker 1>base of El Toro. It was near the tiny town

524
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>of Austin, and with a light breeze, the sharp smell

525
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>of citrus trees would come floating down the rows of

526
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>quancet huts. Gradually, I lost interest in my reading and

527
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.400
<v Speaker 1>became engrossed in the bull session on religion. Noticing my interest,

528
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 1>one of the men asked for my views. I explained

529
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 1>that I was an atheist, so I said Oswald, glancing

530
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>up from his notebook. I think the best religion is communism. Yeah,

531
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Oswald's a red, said one of them to me. No,

532
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:41.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a communist. I just think they have the

533
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 1>best system. Why. I wanted to know, because they have

534
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a purpose, and the Communist way of life is more

535
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 1>scientific than ours. You don't have to believe in as

536
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>much of fairy tales to accept it. My first really

537
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>vivid memory of Oswald centers around that brief sequence. In

538
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>further conversations, my initial judgment concerning his interest in Marxist

539
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 1>and based on his words that afternoon, was reinforced. He

540
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>was a man in search of an integrated scientific view

541
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 1>of life. He found in Marxism the only ideology that

542
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't demand the same kind of blind faith that their

543
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>religions demanded. He found in Marxism that the only philosophy

544
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>of modern times that claimed a vital, relevant connection to

545
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 1>life on this planet. Significantly, he was not entirely satisfied

546
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 1>with Marxism. Against my charges that it was also rooted

547
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 1>in faith and certainly not scientific in many important respects,

548
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>he could only say, but what else is there? At

549
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:36.599
<v Speaker 1>that time I could not give him a satisfactory answer.

550
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.519
<v Speaker 1>I could only indicate my belief that ultimately one must

551
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>work out one's own personal religion or philosophy. For a

552
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>man who was out to change the world. A personal

553
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>philosophy was not enough. Oswald needed a head start. Oswald

554
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>needed a movement he could join and help bring the

555
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 1>fruition in his lifetime. In essence, he did not have

556
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 1>the courage to stand alone and yet, to create one's

557
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 1>own view of the world, one must stand alone and think.

558
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I've never personally known an individual more motivated by what

559
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>appeared to be a genuine concern for the human race

560
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 1>than Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee was moved by what people

561
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.960
<v Speaker 1>usually call the purest humanitarian sentiments. Oswald was a philanthropist.

562
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>After our first exchange of ideas, sparked by the discussion

563
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>on religion, we got into quite a few extended discussions.

564
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.559
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we both took the side of atheism and argued

565
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>with the more excitable Christian fundamentalists in the outfit. At

566
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>other times we directed our rhetoric at each other. The

567
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 1>result was that there developed between us a sense of

568
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 1>kinship tempered with the sharp differences. We were never close friends.

569
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Oswald was not the sort who formed close friendships. Yet

570
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I think in some ways I came to know him

571
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>very well because of our disagreements. His concern for other people,

572
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>not as individuals, but as a mass was real. Oswald

573
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 1>was unselfish. He was so unselfish that he couldn't seem

574
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 1>to concentrate on his own affairs. He would rather be

575
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>busy solving the problems of mankind. I would suggest that

576
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>he might have been bored with his own life as

577
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>it stood. The problems of others. The famines, the plagues,

578
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the revolutions, and the wars were far more interesting challenges

579
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 1>to his imagination than, say, whether or not his shoes

580
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.119
<v Speaker 1>were shined before tomorrow's inspection. So he invariably turned out

581
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>for inspection with unshined shoes, and when he was punished

582
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>for it, he prefarred to believe that he was being

583
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 1>picked on by malevolent beings who hated him for wanting

584
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 1>to solve the world's problems, for wanting to liberate those

585
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 1>malevolent beings. A person's in authority wanted to continue to

586
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>exploit that Oswald observed that his own affairs were boring

587
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 1>might have been the major contributing factor to his secret

588
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>fear that he was just another faceless everyman in the ranks.

589
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And as I have shown, the resulting apathy toward mining

590
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>his own business probably led directly to his special treatment,

591
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>which in turn provided him with a counterfeit evidence that

592
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 1>he was a special man instead of a faceless every man.

593
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 1>It was a cycle which would have tended to gain

594
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>momentum as it went along a flywheel or a whirlpool.

595
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 1>As I told the Warren Commission, he looked upon the

596
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 1>eyes of future people as some kind of tribunal and

597
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to be on the winning side, so that

598
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand years from now people would look in the

599
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 1>history books and say, well, this man was ahead of

600
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>his time. He was concerned with his image in history.

601
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Such of you necessarily implies that Oswald was convinced of

602
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:25.039
<v Speaker 1>the invincibility of communism world victory, and I am not

603
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>sure that he was entirely pleased with such a prospect.

604
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>First that he denied being a communist bad possible importance here.

605
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, in the circumstances, it might

606
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>have been going even too far for Oswald to stand

607
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>up and say he was utterly committed to achieving a

608
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>total communist victory. What causes me to have a second

609
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>thought about his commitment to communism is enthusiasm for a

610
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 1>book unpopular with the few self admitted communists. I have

611
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>known for obvious reasons. The book was George Orwell's nineteen

612
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>eighty four, a severe criticism and fiction form of socialist totalitarianism.

613
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.559
<v Speaker 1>All right, so let me fucking bring this up. I

614
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<v Speaker 1>don't remember remember ever seeing any reference period ever to

615
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Oswald saying anything about nineteen eighty four, only that it

616
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>came from Carry Thornley. I know that allegedly a copy

617
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty four was taken from Oswald's fucking boarding

618
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>house when he was allegedly arrested, right, but that boarding

619
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 1>house Oswald never stayed at, Cary Thornley did, so Carry

620
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Thornley obviously would have put to George Orswell's nineteen eighty

621
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<v Speaker 1>four there, and so it can Does anybody know of

622
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 1>any other references to nineteen eighty four and Oswald that

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<v Speaker 1>would indicate this came from anywhere other than carry Thorntley.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any substantiating information that indicates anything about nineteen

625
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<v Speaker 1>eighty four with Oswald that doesn't have to do with

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<v Speaker 1>Kerry Thornley. I think the answer is no, But if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody has anything different, please let me know. As soon

628
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<v Speaker 1>as he learned that I had not yet read this book.

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<v Speaker 1>He urged me to do so at once. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be very well that he had loaned or

631
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<v Speaker 1>gave me paperbound editions upon his enthusiastic recommendation. I read

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four and for a while decided Oswald was

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<v Speaker 1>not truly in sympathy with Marxism. It had to be

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<v Speaker 1>a joke. I concluded that explained his tight little smile.

635
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<v Speaker 1>He was laughing to himself. I was sure he saw

636
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<v Speaker 1>all the fallacies and socialism that George Orwell saw, And

637
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<v Speaker 1>on this final point, I'm still not convinced I was wrong.

638
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<v Speaker 1>That might be the truest thing Kerry Thornly ever said. Unfortunately, however,

639
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<v Speaker 1>one gaping hole in socialism that both Orwell and Oswell

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<v Speaker 1>fail to see was the impossibility of supporting an industrial

641
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<v Speaker 1>civilization utilizing fear instead of profit as a motivation. Inventors

642
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<v Speaker 1>don't invent because they are ordered to or because they

643
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<v Speaker 1>are told to it is their duty. Engineers don't engineer,

644
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<v Speaker 1>and innovators don't innovate on command. Scientists don't make discoveries

645
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<v Speaker 1>according to master plans or regulations. If this concept is grasped,

646
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<v Speaker 1>the vanity of Marxists boasting about the inevitability of the

647
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<v Speaker 1>triumph of the dictatorship of the patroletariat is seen also

648
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<v Speaker 1>apparent as the absurdity of those who imagine the world

649
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<v Speaker 1>and the grips of all powerful Communist conspiracy. If the

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<v Speaker 1>Communists are to win, they must continue to gradually renounce

651
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<v Speaker 1>the original goals set forth by Marx. If this is done,

652
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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union will have to become a free nation,

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<v Speaker 1>and both a free exchange of ideas and a free

654
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 1>exchange of goods. But Oswald could not have understood this,

655
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<v Speaker 1>for he saw the future of mankind as a dark one,

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<v Speaker 1>filled with the poverty and oppression of nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 1>controlled by an all powerful state, which would be equipped

658
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<v Speaker 1>somehow with the infernal inventions necessary to check and double

659
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<v Speaker 1>check upon its subjects. How such a state could maintain itself,

660
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<v Speaker 1>who would tax for its wealth? How it would persuade

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent beings to keep its complex machinery and condition, was

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<v Speaker 1>a problem to which he gave little or no thought.

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<v Speaker 1>He was therefore a victim of somewhat groundless fears. He

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<v Speaker 1>further observed that the mixed economy of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>to which he mistakenly referred to as capitalism was moving

666
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<v Speaker 1>toward totalitarianism, and if he had wanted to examine the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence carefully, he could have seen that the present day

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union was even closer to Orwell's nightmare. But he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to examine the evidence if the conclusion it

670
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<v Speaker 1>necessitated might, as he seemed to suspect in this case,

671
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<v Speaker 1>proved depressing. He wanted to believe that somewhere there was

672
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<v Speaker 1>total freedom, so that this is exactly what he did believe,

673
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<v Speaker 1>and of course the only possible place for such freedom

674
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<v Speaker 1>had to be on the other side of that communications barrier,

675
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<v Speaker 1>the Iron curtain. If freedom was not there, it was nowhere,

676
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<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to believe it was somewhere. Further, freedom

677
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<v Speaker 1>was nowhere, as Oswald recognized the possibility, for he was

678
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<v Speaker 1>not by any means completely out of touch with reality.

679
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<v Speaker 1>Then he wanted at least to be on the winning side.

680
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<v Speaker 1>For on the winning side he could extend his influence

681
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<v Speaker 1>in opposition to the all powerful state. He could work

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<v Speaker 1>for the creation of an anarchist society where there would

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<v Speaker 1>be no state to oppress humanity. Marxism here reasserts itself

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<v Speaker 1>as a ready made vehicle for Oswald's ambitions. For if

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<v Speaker 1>this did indeed turn out to be a world wherein

686
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<v Speaker 1>one must either oppress or be a victim of oppression,

687
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<v Speaker 1>Oswald would prefer to be an oppressor. And if he

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<v Speaker 1>could oppress in the name of freedom, if he could

689
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<v Speaker 1>oppress in the public interest, if he could oppress the

690
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 1>eventual good of all people, that Oswald would be a

691
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<v Speaker 1>totally fulfilled man. He would be having his cake and

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<v Speaker 1>eating it too. I say all this with a great

693
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<v Speaker 1>deal of conviction, but I must point out that it

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<v Speaker 1>is my conjecture based not so much on words I

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<v Speaker 1>remember having heard Oswald utter, as on my general subjective

696
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<v Speaker 1>impression of his attitude. I must further point out that

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<v Speaker 1>much of my conviction here is reaffirmed not only by

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald's writing, but that had been published since I knew him,

699
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<v Speaker 1>but my own line of thinking, which was in part

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<v Speaker 1>stimulated by my arguments with Oswald, which resulted about one

701
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<v Speaker 1>year later in my seriously contemplating joining the communist cause.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is so fucking full of shit. It was

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<v Speaker 1>only upon the basis of the fallacy of the motivation

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<v Speaker 1>by fear, which is the same day as motivation by law.

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<v Speaker 1>Having been pointed out to me that I came to

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<v Speaker 1>reconsider not only the validity of communism, but the validity

707
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<v Speaker 1>of all socialist thinking and state planning as well. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that Oswald's belief in the old victory of Marxism in

709
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<v Speaker 1>either a malevolent or benevolent form, depending very much on

710
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<v Speaker 1>Oswald's future success in achieving power within the party, has

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<v Speaker 1>been some extent established as probable, I shall return to

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<v Speaker 1>my earlier assertion that he had what the Warrant Commission

713
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<v Speaker 1>calls an extraordinary point of view of history. Perhaps the

714
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<v Speaker 1>words of his arch hero Fidel Castro influenced him here,

715
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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps Castro was merely expressing a view especially common with,

716
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<v Speaker 1>though not exclusive to, the Marxist mind. Men may condemn me,

717
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<v Speaker 1>but history will justify me. For some of us who

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<v Speaker 1>find ourselves stranded one day without a God, there occurs

719
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<v Speaker 1>a strong temptation to find a substitute, since it is

720
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<v Speaker 1>impossible to live without certainty. We encounter one occasion after

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<v Speaker 1>another in life when we must stake our lives on

722
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 1>our judgment, and if our judgment is wrong, if we

723
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<v Speaker 1>take the wrong course at the wrong time, we are doomed.

724
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<v Speaker 1>And when a mistaken choice does not result in our destruction,

725
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<v Speaker 1>we are aware that it can still leave us with

726
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:59.320
<v Speaker 1>a ruined life. So as living beings, we must yearn

727
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<v Speaker 1>for certainty. And if we do not care to think,

728
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<v Speaker 1>do not care to remain totally rational in all our

729
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>waking hours, we must counterfeit for ourselves a sense of certainty,

730
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<v Speaker 1>or go insane or commit suicide. I think that Oswald's

731
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<v Speaker 1>counterfeit sense of certainty is issued from believing in history

732
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<v Speaker 1>as much as many believe in God, except that his

733
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<v Speaker 1>belief rested not on anything so obviously absurd as blind faith,

734
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<v Speaker 1>but on intellectual evasion, a subtler sort of faith. And

735
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<v Speaker 1>I further believe that for his lost religion he founded

736
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<v Speaker 1>other need fulfilling substitutes. In Marxism, for example, I think

737
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<v Speaker 1>he traded an original sin for historical necessity, since both

738
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>take from the man the responsibility of the evil and

739
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>suffering in the world, while at the same time paradoxically

740
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<v Speaker 1>placing the burdens squarely on his shoulders in an almost

741
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<v Speaker 1>unaltered form. Though I have not the vaguest idea as

742
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<v Speaker 1>to what need these curious doctrines fulfill, so in conclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that despite his reservations. When Lee said,

744
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<v Speaker 1>in effect that his religion was communism, he meant every

745
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.079
<v Speaker 1>word of it, and tragically, his religion was communism, not

746
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<v Speaker 1>because of any great superiority on the part of that ideology,

747
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<v Speaker 1>but for the lack of a better alternative, conspicuous, conspicuously

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<v Speaker 1>available to him in the United States of America. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is the end of chapter three, and that brings

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<v Speaker 1>us the chapter four Ozzie Rabbit and the Power of Laughter.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, the Ozzi Rabbit thing. Ooh, that's kind of complicated,

752
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of helps us pin down which Oswald

753
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 1>was where when, because well, we'll talk about it on

754
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.079
<v Speaker 1>the next episode. But the Ozzi Rabbit stuff comes up

755
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<v Speaker 1>because Oswald's middle name was Harvey, and Harvey was the

756
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<v Speaker 1>name of the rabbit in that movie that came out

757
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<v Speaker 1>in the sixties or the fifties. So that's why that

758
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>all ties in and comes up. And it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you can kind of tell which of the Oswald's was

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<v Speaker 1>where based on their reactions to being called Harvey. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that on the next time. Guys, please

762
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 1>go out and buy my book. If you haven't bought

763
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>my book, go buy the fucking book, and that's going

764
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.679
<v Speaker 1>to do it for today. Follow me on X Bloody

765
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 1>History sixty three X is full of a bunch of morons,

766
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 1>so guys please come on there and surround me because

767
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.079
<v Speaker 1>I can't be surrounded by morons any longer. So thanks everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I will talk to you soon.
