Speaker 1: That's for having me.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. Thanks, Welcome back to the Typical Skeptic
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Speaker 2: amazing guest. He's back for a second time. He's the
Speaker 2: author of the Children of Oriyan Finding the Crypto Terrestrials
Speaker 2: and his name is Ryan Mustrade Evans. He's from Australia
Speaker 2: and tonight we're gonna be talking to Ryan, and he
Speaker 2: is when you're talking about the different contact experiences of
Speaker 2: deductions in history and how they compare to this group
Speaker 2: called the Crypto Terrestrials. Ryan is also an experience for himself,
Speaker 2: so he will obviously get his contact to the series.
Speaker 2: And so buck up. This is an amazing podcast. And
Speaker 2: let me tell you a little bit more about Ryan
Speaker 2: and he resides in Victoria, Australia. He has a Diploma
Speaker 2: of Education and Elementary from the swissned University in Melbourne
Speaker 2: and has a Bachelor of Arts first Class Honors and
Speaker 2: Philosophy latob University, Melbourne and tutor of Eirish and Gaelic languages.
Speaker 2: He knows that well and in all kinds of other stuff.
Speaker 2: He's in religious folks, worse studies, philosophy, linguistics. He's a
Speaker 2: fluent speaker of Irish and Scottish and Gaelic, so he's
Speaker 2: very well versed in the subduction phenomena too. So I
Speaker 2: want to welcome to the show. Ryan, thank you for
Speaker 2: coming back on. How are you.
Speaker 1: Hey, Robert? Thanks for having me man, I'm really good,
Speaker 1: So thanks halving me back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So for the new audience that might not have
Speaker 2: heard of you, I really like your theory. Can you
Speaker 2: tell the people a little bit about your theory about
Speaker 2: the cryptoterrestrials and how you got behind that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'll do a bit of a
Speaker 1: refresher for those who haven't come across me before or
Speaker 1: haven't heard the last one that we did together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the crypto terrestrials. Okay, so this is a term that
Speaker 1: was coined by a guy called mac Tony's. Originally he's
Speaker 1: no longer with us, unfortunately passed away quite young. He
Speaker 1: was a genius in my opinion. The trypotrestra word is
Speaker 1: actually that actually means you know, hidden earthlings, and he
Speaker 1: coined that to put it forward as an alternative theory.
Speaker 1: Alternative hypothesis to explain the UFO reality we seem to
Speaker 1: find ourselves in today, but not just that, to also
Speaker 1: apply it to older cases in history and folklore of
Speaker 1: abduction events or apparent close encounter events. Some of these
Speaker 1: events very familiar to us that study uthology today, like
Speaker 1: from fairy law, particularly the Celtic fairy faith. Mactony's wrote
Speaker 1: his book that went into that kind of thing in
Speaker 1: detail and looked for the undercurrents, the familiar substratum that
Speaker 1: goes between these ancient phenomena in ancient times, modern UFO phenomena,
Speaker 1: and modern era, and he tried to demonstrate that these
Speaker 1: were more than likely identical beings causing these same kind
Speaker 1: of phenomena. Now. I thought that his term was particularly
Speaker 1: appropriate for what's going on today, first and foremost, because,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a lot of it, a lot of
Speaker 1: the abduction events, and a lot of the attributes of
Speaker 1: the beings that seem to be the we experience nowadays.
Speaker 1: Under subjecting people to these kinds of experiences, they are
Speaker 1: they have attributes that really conform closely to perhaps speculating
Speaker 1: about beings that have a relationship with the Earth rather
Speaker 1: than being extra terrestrial beings. So do you have the
Speaker 1: hypothesis that everyone's very familiar with, the extraterrestrial hypothesis that
Speaker 1: suggests the beings behind closing counter phenomena are certainly from
Speaker 1: another planet, not Earth, but even extra soul of people
Speaker 1: normally say as in outside our solar system. Why is that?
Speaker 1: Mac Tony's asked, and I agree that these beings seem
Speaker 1: to have a particular interest in our genetics, and certainly
Speaker 1: sometimes even according to some cases and some witnesses and
Speaker 1: some experiences, can interbreed with us copulate in the old
Speaker 1: fashioned kind of way. You know. So you've got uh
Speaker 1: the you've got up in uh nine in fifty seven
Speaker 1: in Brazil. Let's just say we've got the cases there.
Speaker 1: We've got who are cases in Sydney as well?
Speaker 2: Antonio wellis right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Villis Bois, Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, Villis Bois,
Speaker 1: And there's there's several of them as well. Thanks to
Speaker 1: that my moment Black then Robert h Yeah. So these cases,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a genetic affiliation there, and there's there's
Speaker 1: these kinds of sexual interactions that if these beings were
Speaker 1: actually completely and totally extrasturally, this seems to be a
Speaker 1: bizarre way of behavior interacting with it, and even just
Speaker 1: the collection of genetics from us, even when it's not
Speaker 1: to the point of even when it's in a more
Speaker 1: clinical way and it's not actual sexual interactions and things
Speaker 1: like that, What could they want with us if they
Speaker 1: don't have a genetical affiliation with with our planet and
Speaker 1: with us. So crypto trustrial effort, You know, that's a
Speaker 1: very interesting way of seeing it. And I really like
Speaker 1: the term, and I think it actually helps to explain
Speaker 1: a lot. Now I've had experiences myself, as you noted, Robert. Now,
Speaker 1: the beings there's much more to them than that. The
Speaker 1: crypto trustrial umbrella is just it's one kind of facet
Speaker 1: and I think it's an excellent way of seeing them
Speaker 1: to start with that kind of flesh and blood reality,
Speaker 1: in a nuts and bolts reality, and before sort of
Speaker 1: wandering off into the woo woo and considering some of
Speaker 1: these sort of multi dimensional aspects and causi spiritual aspects
Speaker 1: of the abduction phenomena and the UFO phenomena to bring
Speaker 1: it back down to sort of like a solid reality
Speaker 1: and then perhaps move on from there. Otherwise people just
Speaker 1: get lost. So what now. In the speriences I've had
Speaker 1: from when I was a kid, I've had various experiences,
Speaker 1: and some of them like sporadic experiences over my life
Speaker 1: with things that I thought perhaps were fairies or elves
Speaker 1: or something like that. And as mac Tony's had noted,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarities with the abduction law early on,
Speaker 1: and some of the beings, even physical descriptions, matched quite
Speaker 1: closely and formed quite closely to some of the races
Speaker 1: of ets that people allegedly are into contact with nowadays.
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of experiences of a poltergeist
Speaker 1: kind of fashion, even seeing beings that struck me as
Speaker 1: looking like maybe they were tree spirits. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: until Prapped about ten years ago that my experiences sort
Speaker 1: of took off more and also took on more of
Speaker 1: a bent of like a more stereotypical ET kind of scenario,
Speaker 1: with like clinical situations or procedures, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: typical abduct e phenomenon kind of stuff. And then I
Speaker 1: started to think, hold on a secon maybe there's this
Speaker 1: relationship between my older experiences and the newer ones. So,
Speaker 1: but there are other facets to it. I do agree
Speaker 1: with people that cryptoterrestrial is just one element of it,
Speaker 1: but it is that it is the word that I
Speaker 1: decided to really cling onto and attached to, because you
Speaker 1: have to start somewhere.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The beings themselves have told me a lot about themselves
Speaker 1: and more recent times, and that's stuff I haven't gone
Speaker 1: into in that first book. But I am writing another
Speaker 1: book and I'm talking a lot about that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff as well. In the first book, I only really
Speaker 1: talk about my own experiences towards the end, and the
Speaker 1: vast bulk of a book is me looking at different
Speaker 1: cases through history, you know, inspired by Jacques the Great,
Speaker 1: Jacques Vallet that noted these similarities himself. Mac Toney's built
Speaker 1: on these kinds of things.
Speaker 2: But Charles Hall as well, you John, Charles Hall read too, right.
Speaker 1: Charles Hall as well? Yeah, Yes, Now there's a particular
Speaker 1: kind of fairy race, you know, Jacques Flai and also
Speaker 1: Matoni's really focused in on the Gaelic fairy faith. There's
Speaker 1: a particular kind of race that was called the gentry
Speaker 1: on the Huishlan in Gaelic. They chirped and whistled, tall
Speaker 1: fair beings, magical beings float around on the horizon, and
Speaker 1: things are looking like willow wisp and illumined. Illuminated beings
Speaker 1: and entities lived inside mountains and subterraneous dwellings could become
Speaker 1: invisible at will would abduct people sometimes, you know. And
Speaker 1: that that description I just gave of the Gaelic gentry
Speaker 1: from old Gaelic folklore is perfectly applicable to Charles Hall's
Speaker 1: tall whites. So that is a major factor that I
Speaker 1: talk about in my book. When I'm building a profile
Speaker 1: of build what I call a crypto terrestrial profile a
Speaker 1: CT profile for brevity, and I look for the mutual
Speaker 1: characteristics between older fairy the older fairy faith, particularly those
Speaker 1: beans not puishlm, compare them to the tall whites of
Speaker 1: Charles Hall. So you know, your listeners are probably familiar
Speaker 1: with Charles Hall. But very very quickly, if it's okay, Robert,
Speaker 1: I'll just do a brief refresher for people. Sure, Charles
Speaker 1: Hall he was he went to I think it was
Speaker 1: in the years nineteen sixty two to sixty four, but
Speaker 1: I might be wrong about the mid sixties. Anyway, he
Speaker 1: was allocated to nolla's Air Force base in Nevada, and
Speaker 1: he was a weather observer. So his position in the
Speaker 1: Air Force was weather observer, letting balloons aloft with a
Speaker 1: theoda light, measuring their speed across the sky of phoning
Speaker 1: it in. This was his job, and he'd go out
Speaker 1: there on his own into the desert, and he did
Speaker 1: this for two years and people he found. He later
Speaker 1: came to understand that a lot of people that have
Speaker 1: been there wouldn't last as long as he. They they
Speaker 1: would be terrified, they didn't like talking about their experiences,
Speaker 1: and they'd leave. But basically he himself stuck to it,
Speaker 1: and he came to understand why people were bailing out
Speaker 1: on this. He was subjected to prolonged and regular interaction
Speaker 1: with a race of beings chalk white in appearance, large
Speaker 1: blue eyes that were subterranean dwelling, that would bark and
Speaker 1: chirp and whistle. They had advanced technologies. They would sometimes
Speaker 1: when he was moving around, he'd have, you know, missing time.
Speaker 1: He'd say he felt his mind clouding over and things
Speaker 1: like that. Now, these this is the same race that
Speaker 1: I ended up identifying as being the very race that
Speaker 1: I have interactions and encounters that they and they have
Speaker 1: said to me that they call themselves the Mudgin. That's
Speaker 1: not a word that Charles Hall used, but so Nahushlin
Speaker 1: from a Gaelic times. The Mudguna, or the tall Whites,
Speaker 1: as Charles Hall called them, are identical beings that have
Speaker 1: been here for a very very long time. Now I
Speaker 1: identify them as crypto terrestrials. Charles half of them as
Speaker 1: being aliens. He didn't know where they were from. He
Speaker 1: speculated they might be from Arctress. I think that he
Speaker 1: based that on information. I think he was looking through
Speaker 1: his theodolite one day. He suspected one of them had
Speaker 1: been looking through it, and he thought that the being
Speaker 1: had been looking at after a system. There were a
Speaker 1: couple other reasons he thought maybe they were from Artress.
Speaker 1: They were evasive, and that they wouldn't tell him where
Speaker 1: they were from. So in my book I talk about
Speaker 1: how they're definitely from the earth. Now I know that
Speaker 1: they are because they since have told me these kinds
Speaker 1: of things. But what I try to do in the
Speaker 1: book is leave my experiences out of it as much
Speaker 1: as possible, and I tried to be objective and build
Speaker 1: a profile of characteristics to demonstrate through older encounter of
Speaker 1: encounter law folklore up till modern days. You can follow
Speaker 1: these beings. You can take note and build a compendium
Speaker 1: of characteristics of their appearance, their habitation, given their spiritual systems,
Speaker 1: their technologies, the kinds of play and behavior, their languages,
Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing. And as you move
Speaker 1: through and use this cryptoterrestral profile to find them in
Speaker 1: other cases, each new case serves to inform the profile,
Speaker 1: ever further builds upon it. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: sort of finished my book early and thought there's so
Speaker 1: much left to right. So now I'm writing the next
Speaker 1: one and building and still seeking them further to demonstrate
Speaker 1: to people in a more objective way than just saying
Speaker 1: I'm an experiencer, this is what beings have told me,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, to try and engage people in a
Speaker 1: more objective, rational kind of way for those kinds of
Speaker 1: people that want or require that, and try to demonstrate
Speaker 1: beyond reasonable doubt and establish that they exist. I got
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 2: They have some really weird stuff, like they have like
Speaker 2: suit technology that me and you talked about. I wanted
Speaker 2: to bring that up because I think that's really important,
Speaker 2: like that they wear suits, and that's why people could
Speaker 2: be getting tricked into thinking that they're different beings. And
Speaker 2: then also another cool thing that you brought up last
Speaker 2: podcast I thought we should mention is you said, I
Speaker 2: thought this was so funny. You said in their craft
Speaker 2: that they have like memorabilia from our planet. They have
Speaker 2: like bus seats or something like that. I'm just giving
Speaker 2: an example that might not be yet, but they have
Speaker 2: like weird shit from like our planet in their craft, right,
Speaker 2: like nostalgic stuff. It seems like, was that was that right?
Speaker 2: Did I get that right? And that also about the.
Speaker 3: The suits they war If you could touch on most
Speaker 3: of these things, Okay, yeah, I'll talk about the craft
Speaker 3: that I've been on first, not necessarily not memorabilia, but
Speaker 3: functional objects.
Speaker 1: They rely on our infrastructure to a large extent, so
Speaker 1: they have now that their history is very complicated. They
Speaker 1: are a kind of future human, but it depends on
Speaker 1: what you mean by by time travel, because they actually
Speaker 1: cross timelines, and you could argue that they're more into
Speaker 1: dimensional beings than future humans. But they brought with them
Speaker 1: a large amount of technology, craft and technology, advanced technology,
Speaker 1: cloaking technology and things like that of all different kinds.
Speaker 1: But they don't have the means or the access to
Speaker 1: the materials or the infrastructure that they had back where
Speaker 1: they were originally from. This gets complicated. They were from
Speaker 1: a version of Earth at one stage, but anyway, but
Speaker 1: they anyway, they are limited now as to what they
Speaker 1: can build new technology with now that they hear and
Speaker 1: so they rely on our Homo sapiens infrastructure, our materials,
Speaker 1: our fabrications, which means now they utilize this to great effect,
Speaker 1: but use their science to use our technologies to superior effect.
Speaker 1: So these kinds of what people sometimes called r V
Speaker 1: craft like h and also tic TACs. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: the tic TAC craft that are famous nowadays in media
Speaker 1: talked about, I think probably the same craft as the
Speaker 1: craft that Charles Hall called r V like recreational vehicles,
Speaker 1: because they basically look like an RV or a small
Speaker 1: bus without wheels. They even sometimes have windows along the sides.
Speaker 1: I've been in them several times and they are they have, yes,
Speaker 1: like bus. Their bus seats, the seats for the pilot
Speaker 1: at the front look like they're from our fighter planes
Speaker 1: probably and they appear to be they're not seamless, you know,
Speaker 1: like they haven't been like not the craft that they
Speaker 1: brought with in them composed of Some of their fleet
Speaker 1: are seamless biological grown grown in zero vehicles that are
Speaker 1: commonly talked about in neuthology when people talk about you know,
Speaker 1: you'll see a craft zipping along and it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like a seamless magical thing. Sorry about that. Wow, yeah, now,
Speaker 1: but the we live really close to the round about
Speaker 1: here was really busy traffic. To apologize, I've closed the
Speaker 1: window and all that kind of stuff, and this MICUs
Speaker 1: new mIRC are not very used to it, and it's
Speaker 1: probably picking up all sorts of sounds. But yes, but
Speaker 1: the craft that I've been in are obviously made out
Speaker 1: of separate sections the sectional build you know. Now, Charles
Speaker 1: Hall had talked about this as well in his books
Speaker 1: The Millennial Hospitality Books. Now they first came out in
Speaker 1: the early two thousands. He coined the term tall bites
Speaker 1: that's popularly used in eupology. Now people often use that,
Speaker 1: but he was the first guy. Before that. Usually these
Speaker 1: kinds of beings were more were called Nordics. Nordics is
Speaker 1: an older term for them. Sometimes people make a distinction
Speaker 1: between now between tall whites and Nordics, and things like that,
Speaker 1: which I think is largely artificial in my opinion, but
Speaker 1: so millennial. In his Millennial Hospitality books, he talked about
Speaker 1: these r V craft, amongst other craft large dark craft
Speaker 1: and smaller vessels and things like there's no longer ones
Speaker 1: that as well that were similar to the r V
Speaker 1: kind of ones but looked more like like a carriage
Speaker 1: from a train maybe, or like a an airline, an
Speaker 1: airliner without the wings and things like that, so so
Speaker 1: you get them these different lengths. But he said that
Speaker 1: they had a microwaves in the Hammocks showers that looked
Speaker 1: like they were straight from hardware stores at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, in the sixties and things like that. So
Speaker 1: they were doing that kind of thing back then, and
Speaker 1: they're still they're still doing that kind of thing from
Speaker 1: what I can tell of being on or a couple
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: If you.
Speaker 1: Having said that, I have seen other craft, but not
Speaker 1: as far as I'm able to recollect anyway, because they,
Speaker 1: of course could they manipulate your memory, memory manipulation and
Speaker 1: mesmerization and things like that, which they had apologized to
Speaker 1: me about. But now there are other craft I've seen
Speaker 1: as well that are more in my opinion, probably of
Speaker 1: the kind that are seamless and grown and biological in
Speaker 1: some kind of way. But yeah, yes, for sure. So
Speaker 1: it's not it's less memorabilia memorabilic like that where they're
Speaker 1: some kind of keepsake or something from our culture or
Speaker 1: out our technology, but that they are using our technology
Speaker 1: because they are here and require that to Now I'll
Speaker 1: move onto the suits, as you talked about before. Now
Speaker 1: the suits. So some people will be seeing this and
Speaker 1: actually have video one though, but there'll be people with
Speaker 1: only audio. But my book here has an excellent picture
Speaker 1: on the front of the suits. I call them Boas suits,
Speaker 1: named after Anturnao Villas Boas because he described something like
Speaker 1: these suits or a version of these suits in his
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven encounter, and then subsequently there've been a
Speaker 1: lot of different people that have that have interacted with
Speaker 1: beings in these kinds of suits. So the suits can
Speaker 1: change color, but then normally when they're not activated, they
Speaker 1: look dark gray or black. Skin tight helmet that also
Speaker 1: has like a nose piece that hangs down and flares
Speaker 1: out a bit, although there's a few different shapes to
Speaker 1: the nose piece, but most of the ones I've seen
Speaker 1: sort of have a flared out look and then they
Speaker 1: pass up over the top of the helmet. This is
Speaker 1: for amplification of sounds because they hoot and raw. And
Speaker 1: that's another topic we can talk about perhaps later if
Speaker 1: you want to, some of their linguistic camouflage languages and
Speaker 1: things like that, where they mimic wildlife sounds. They wear
Speaker 1: goggles the glow red at night, and then also a
Speaker 1: mouthpiece some kind of breathing apparatus, which I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: is just to filter the air, because they can breathe
Speaker 1: our air. They can, but they have they're susceptible to allergies,
Speaker 1: and so they quite often wear a breathing device that
Speaker 1: is merely a filter for dust and pollen and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Like these suits have cloaking abilities when they can. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they can appear as though they're sort of like the
Speaker 1: people are familiar with the idea of the predator, the
Speaker 1: old predator movies. Yeah, that kind of hate Shemmer kind
Speaker 1: of look a distortion. Sometimes it looks like that, but
Speaker 1: sometimes you would not know they were there. They are
Speaker 1: completely invisible, and I'm not quite sure why. Sometimes their
Speaker 1: suits seem to be more efficient than at other times
Speaker 1: in that way. The suits have prosthetic claws, clawed hands
Speaker 1: for self defense, and their hands are very very long
Speaker 1: as well. Their four fingers are much longer than ours.
Speaker 1: And then they have a small vestigial thumb It is
Speaker 1: only about half the length of ours further up their hand.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they can cloak. They can become intangible in
Speaker 1: these suits, which means they can pass through solid objects
Speaker 1: that can accommodate foreign objects into their form. I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure, you know. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1: They're shifting their atomic structure or something like that. But
Speaker 1: to walk through solid objects, to walk through walls. They
Speaker 1: can be impervious to harm with them as well, with
Speaker 1: have a field so that you can't hurt them in
Speaker 1: anyway with bladed weapons or with firearms or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And super strength and super speeder. They're basically super soldier suits.
Speaker 1: So I call them Boa suits. Are these suits. This
Speaker 1: is their stealth attire and also the attire that they garb.
Speaker 1: They they gear military gear, military greet because they have
Speaker 1: a military. They have two separate armies. Actually they have
Speaker 1: a religious order which is like sacred monks, and then
Speaker 1: they have a secular army as well. So in these suits,
Speaker 1: you see them in these suits, you know. I think
Speaker 1: this is probably where a lot of ideas about tall
Speaker 1: black aliens has come from. When people see tall whites
Speaker 1: in their suits, they ascribe a different name to them. Now,
Speaker 1: in these suits as well, they can And also they
Speaker 1: have telepath technology, and they call it telepath. So in
Speaker 1: their helmets they have a technology that allows them to
Speaker 1: infiltrate your thoughts, implants, ideas, instill fear into your mind
Speaker 1: if they wish to repel you without actually having a
Speaker 1: physical interaction. So if you're walking around in a forest
Speaker 1: or something like that and all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: feel like you shouldn't be there, there's a negative feeling
Speaker 1: and negative force. It's good possibility is a possibility at
Speaker 1: least that they are sending you away, trying to move
Speaker 1: you away. They use that on animals, they use that
Speaker 1: on humans. They can send linguistic messages into your mind
Speaker 1: and also abstract ideas and thoughts, and also visual images
Speaker 1: and take over your eyes and present other images to
Speaker 1: you and things like that if they want you to
Speaker 1: see things. Now, these particular people don't have a natural
Speaker 1: level of telepathy or psychic abilities anymore, than ours, So
Speaker 1: they rely on technologies. All of this stuff's technology. You know,
Speaker 1: there are highly spiritual people or religious people. They have
Speaker 1: their own belief systems. But having said that, they are
Speaker 1: flesh and blood, the flesh of our flesh, the bone
Speaker 1: of our bone. They use nuts and bots.
Speaker 2: About the telepath tech, I'm sorry, I just hit record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the so with with this telepathic technology telepath tech
Speaker 1: I call it in my book. Yeah, they can invade
Speaker 1: your mental reality and exert influence on you in lots
Speaker 1: of different kinds of ways, just for linguistic communication as well.
Speaker 1: You know about that.
Speaker 2: I was thinking like lately that I was thinking about
Speaker 2: writing a book on like people that think they have
Speaker 2: psychiatric disorders, and I was thinking they could be like
Speaker 2: either interdimensional entities or what people would think of as demons.
Speaker 2: I'm not religious, but you know, or this cryptoterrestrials, because
Speaker 2: a lot of times I think I was. I was
Speaker 2: saying this in another podcast. People that have schizophrenia, they
Speaker 2: realize that it's an outside entity given them those thoughts,
Speaker 2: and they can actually get better. They can control it,
Speaker 2: you know, they put those thoughts out. I think that's
Speaker 2: a big thing of what we're dealing with here, right,
Speaker 2: and you think it's these entities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that it may be some of the time
Speaker 1: or a lot of the time. Well, I hesitate to
Speaker 1: say all of the time that you could explain all
Speaker 1: sort of schizophrenic yeah, good thoughts and things like that,
Speaker 1: but I'd imagine that a lot of the time it
Speaker 1: could be something like that that people are dealing with
Speaker 1: and not realize. Yeah, there's I think with schizophrenia. I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure about this, but I think
Speaker 1: most often the auditory hallucinations that people can experience with
Speaker 1: schizophrenia are feel to the person like they're hearing them
Speaker 1: with their ears, that they're actually hearing voices that are
Speaker 1: external to them, Like they can hear people in the
Speaker 1: next room and there's no one there, or someone's talking
Speaker 1: to them and they're beside them, or things like that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild, you know, to actually be able to
Speaker 2: that's that's something I feel like that has to be
Speaker 2: something with psychic psychic psychic ability and interdimensional entities, right, we.
Speaker 1: Know, maybe maybe yeah, yeah, Well, with the technology that
Speaker 1: I've experienced that they use, it's less like it's an
Speaker 1: auditory hallucination and it's more like it's a it's more
Speaker 1: like it's a silent expression within your own mind. If
Speaker 1: it's more akin to something like your own reading voice,
Speaker 1: when you're reading silently to yourself.
Speaker 2: And that's dangerous. That's dangerous, right.
Speaker 1: And you well, well, this is one of their main
Speaker 1: the ways of communicating. And it feels like it almost
Speaker 1: feels like it's there's a texture to it. It almost
Speaker 1: feels like it's a like it's three D in some way,
Speaker 1: like it does. It's like even though it's associated with language,
Speaker 1: and it will be in a language like in your
Speaker 1: own language, like English for us says as our native language.
Speaker 1: They'll express themselves in English to say, but it will
Speaker 1: be articulated much faster than in a much shorter space
Speaker 1: of time than a person would normally take to say
Speaker 1: a whole sentence or something. So even though it's identifiable
Speaker 1: as being, say in English, it's like a packet of
Speaker 1: information almost you don't hear it with your ears. It's
Speaker 1: like you're hearing it in the center of your mind.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's obviously feminine, still sometimes obviously masculine, masculine, or
Speaker 1: sometimes just neither in particular, just neutral, but it's but
Speaker 1: it's not an auditory hallucination that sounds like something coming
Speaker 1: from next to you.
Speaker 2: Now I have.
Speaker 1: Been in their presence and they've been talking to me
Speaker 1: and things like that as well, using you know, just
Speaker 1: the way we would vocal utterances or whatever. But quite
Speaker 1: often they'll use this way of delivering information to you.
Speaker 1: And if you're particularly close to them when they use
Speaker 1: this technology, you can feel a thump. It's like it's
Speaker 1: a thump in the middle of your head, and sometimes
Speaker 1: even my ears pop. And I'm not I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on there with the physicality.
Speaker 2: Of all of that, but there's so much interrological stuff
Speaker 2: in the brain, right they could be tapping into the brain.
Speaker 2: Like it makes me think that more of the reality
Speaker 2: is more of a computerized simulation than we think, or
Speaker 2: that while our brains are much more like computers than
Speaker 2: we think, because they can just tap into us like that,
Speaker 2: you know. That's weird. Yeah, And then like with abductions,
Speaker 2: they can put people out and paralyze them like like nothing,
Speaker 2: Like they can put them to sleep like no tomorrow,
Speaker 2: you know, like they could do it like you know,
Speaker 2: it's very weird. Whereas we have to be long range
Speaker 2: with our psychic abilities, you know, like we're going to
Speaker 2: remote you and see things like but it's I don't
Speaker 2: know what they're using if that's all of technology as well,
Speaker 2: like and let me ask you this, are those same
Speaker 2: aliens that are doing the abductions, like do they have
Speaker 2: a link to the grays or what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 1: Like, uh, yeah, well, these particular ones, the Mudginer or
Speaker 1: tool Watts, they do abduct people sometimes and they it's
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be much more of on a voluntary basis.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is they manipulate your memories as well.
Speaker 1: So if you have volunteered or you are consenting to
Speaker 1: some kind of abduction, then they remove your memory of
Speaker 1: having consented. And then it's a question ethically as to
Speaker 1: whether they've removed the consent, you know, in their opinion,
Speaker 1: yet they haven't. But whereas there are other kinds of beings,
Speaker 1: you know, like some of the what would normally and
Speaker 1: uphology be called grays. Perhaps there's a couple of different
Speaker 1: versions of them that I know about. Some of them
Speaker 1: are taller, with more pale skin, the skin textures more
Speaker 1: like a belly of a snake or a lizard with
Speaker 1: slight claws. They have large eyes, but you can still
Speaker 1: see the whites of their eyes, very large craniums. And
Speaker 1: then there's another version that's a darker gray with even
Speaker 1: more pronounced scales, slightly smaller, head shorter, with completely black eyes.
Speaker 1: They from what I understand, actually have the biological ability
Speaker 1: to intrude into your mind and manipulate your thoughts and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, but genetically engineered into them.
Speaker 1: It's not a case of you know, normal evolution through
Speaker 1: natural selection.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: They've been messing with their own genomes for for a
Speaker 1: long long time now, which has caused a lot of
Speaker 1: issues for them, and which is why they need our
Speaker 1: genes in the first place and to interact with us.
Speaker 1: But because of all of the deliberate manipulation and causing
Speaker 1: issues in the in the genome, you know, seeing age,
Speaker 1: genomic systems are a holistic, natural, systemic thing. And as
Speaker 1: soon as you are a race that thinks you're cleverer
Speaker 1: than you actually are and start manipulating your own genes
Speaker 1: to lengthen your lifespan or include biological evolution in your
Speaker 1: additions in your mind to allow you telepathic abilities, pronounce
Speaker 1: telepathic abilities and make these kinds of changes. Unforeseen circum
Speaker 1: unforeseen symptoms arise because of that, which you can't necessarily
Speaker 1: deal with, not through further genetic engineering, which just causes
Speaker 1: more and sends you off on this tangent, so that
Speaker 1: your genomic system, your DNA, starts to unravel the case
Speaker 1: of a lot of these races that need to need
Speaker 1: us as vehicles of natal selections to bolster of their
Speaker 1: genomes again, to return to something like they were before
Speaker 1: they started this kind of manipulation.
Speaker 2: The one one case I wanted to bring up was
Speaker 2: Peter Kurey. I've had him on my show and we've
Speaker 2: talked about him before. That's that's an amazing case. There
Speaker 2: was a book written after it called Hair of the Alien.
Speaker 2: If you could talk about that and what they found
Speaker 2: that was, that was pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's thanks for that. Peter Curry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the start of the interview before my mind was
Speaker 1: going blank. I'm thinking, I can't remember these dudes' names.
Speaker 1: Peter Curry up in Sydney. Yeah, Yeah, it's wonderfully interesting
Speaker 1: experiences that guy had. I think he's had experiences all
Speaker 1: his life and he was born in Lebanon and came
Speaker 1: out here as a young boy. But he he has
Speaker 1: memories of seeing UFOs. I think he was playing on
Speaker 1: a rooftop in Lebanon with another with a group of kids,
Speaker 1: and some craft came down and the rest of the
Speaker 1: rest of his friends were all frozen, like they've been
Speaker 1: switched off, Which is another what do guys have where
Speaker 1: other people in the room will just vague out and
Speaker 1: they'll talk to the person they want to talk to
Speaker 1: and then everyone will be switched back on again. So
Speaker 1: here howd that happened from a young age? And his
Speaker 1: mother as well recalls when he was a baby. I
Speaker 1: think she looked out the window and there was this
Speaker 1: tall fair man standing at the window looking at her
Speaker 1: and moved away. So but yeah, it was in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. I mean, he's had lots and lots of experiences,
Speaker 1: and lots in the eighties, I think, but the one
Speaker 1: that people normally think of when they think of Peter
Speaker 1: Curry is his nineteen ninety two experience. And that was
Speaker 1: the book that was the main topic of the Bill
Speaker 1: Chalk of book Bill Chalk or Australian researcher. The book
Speaker 1: called Hair of the Alien and other forensic evidence or
Speaker 1: something I think of that. It's called this is a
Speaker 1: cool book. I recommend people by that. It's just on Amazon.
Speaker 1: The Hair of the Alien by Bill Chalker. He considers
Speaker 1: a few different cases, world cases and Australian cases, but
Speaker 1: he particularly focuses on Peter Curry nine only two. He
Speaker 1: woke up and there was a woman who's lying in bed.
Speaker 1: I think he felt like there was something. There was
Speaker 1: movement on the bed and he thought it felt like
Speaker 1: a cat pouncing onto the bed or something like that.
Speaker 1: But when he looked, there was one woman with darker
Speaker 1: skin and huge black eyes sitting on the edge of
Speaker 1: the bed naked, and another woman sitting on him. Answering
Speaker 1: the description, the basic description of Charles Hall's tall whites,
Speaker 1: very tall, Peter Curry's six foot tall or over six
Speaker 1: foot tall himself. He said she was a good foot
Speaker 1: taller than him I think, or would have been if
Speaker 1: she stood up. Huge blue eyes, he said. White, fine hair,
Speaker 1: really fine white hair. That's another thing that Charles All
Speaker 1: talks about that Antonio Elis Boas talks about these people
Speaker 1: have very fine blonde hair or white hair. That's not
Speaker 1: as abundant as Erron, but what makes and then they
Speaker 1: had this interaction. He became afraid, and he bitter, he said,
Speaker 1: he bitter, and he felt like something broke off in
Speaker 1: his throat. And then he was having trouble breathe swallowing.
Speaker 1: And then they were gone and they were having these interactions,
Speaker 1: he said, they were like they were communicating to his mind,
Speaker 1: talking about how there was going to be a baby
Speaker 1: from this experience.
Speaker 2: Had he copulated with her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well that that is the implication, I think,
Speaker 1: even though I think he says he doesn't actually remember
Speaker 1: that act itself, like she was already on him by
Speaker 1: the time his and he and he's talking about how
Speaker 1: he had, you know, just strange mental images in his
Speaker 1: mind and felt almost like he wasn't inside his body
Speaker 1: at one stage. And there was obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: mental manipulation classifying or putting a state of hypnosis or
Speaker 1: mesmerization anyway as well. So he's under under the he's
Speaker 1: under mental influence. And but the most so that would
Speaker 1: just be, you know, an amazing experience in itself and
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing. But what what makes it
Speaker 1: beyond interesting and so compelling and so you know, filled
Speaker 1: with well, I think the implications of it are just
Speaker 1: just incredible, and I talk about it in my book
Speaker 1: as well. How he then went to the bathroom and
Speaker 1: he found a hair that he put into a bag
Speaker 1: that wasn't his pale hair. Now they have he set
Speaker 1: that aside. And then since Bill Chalk of the guy
Speaker 1: who wrote the book about his experiences wrote The Hair
Speaker 1: of the Alien, he and some other scientists did analyses
Speaker 1: on this hair and found that it was human but
Speaker 1: had some bizarre qualities to it, where the shaft of
Speaker 1: the hair seemed to have mongoloid DNA Asian DNA, but
Speaker 1: of a very rare kind and type, whereas the hair
Speaker 1: root seem to come from a different person, so it
Speaker 1: was like it was a hair graft, and the root itself,
Speaker 1: which presumably is would hold the DNA of the individual herself,
Speaker 1: was rare Gaelic basque DNA.
Speaker 2: Do you think the alien could have been using that
Speaker 2: body as a as a container, like using some kind
Speaker 2: of rare basque person slash mongoloid as some kind of
Speaker 2: weird like body container, Like maybe they have body containers
Speaker 2: that they have to transfer into, like their consciousness or
Speaker 2: something like that. To conscripulate.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's just them, because these are this
Speaker 1: is the way they look the ones I've seen, and
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of sketches. Put some of the
Speaker 1: sketches in my book, and I'll put some more in
Speaker 1: other books as well. Disappearance. This is what they That's
Speaker 1: what they look like. That's an stillent description that he
Speaker 1: gives of her physicality, and the Charles Hall gives as well. Now,
Speaker 1: the reason that they I think that they have Gaelic
Speaker 1: rare Gaelic basque DNA is because they've been here for
Speaker 1: centuries for millennia, interbreeding with us occasionally anyway that they
Speaker 1: have now have Gaelic DNA in them structurally and basque.
Speaker 1: And this is all to again reinvigorate and reinforce their
Speaker 1: own genomes and allow them to continue reproducing themselves, because
Speaker 1: there they would die out that they're they're so impoverished
Speaker 1: genetically from deliberate genetic and manipulation and other issues that
Speaker 1: have maladies and pathologies that they can't deal with other
Speaker 1: than trying to reinject our healthy DNA back into their
Speaker 1: their people, their their.
Speaker 2: Or whatever they are.
Speaker 1: Rights.
Speaker 2: You know, well, let me ask you this, what do
Speaker 2: they eat?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What are they? What do we would you said their
Speaker 2: genetic makeup is like where do you think their genetic
Speaker 2: makeup comes from? Or what planet do they come from?
Speaker 2: And then or what is their what is their existence?
Speaker 2: And then also what do they eat?
Speaker 1: Well, they are a version of us from about fifty
Speaker 1: two thousand years in our future. But it gets pretty
Speaker 1: complicated because they're from the future of a different timeline.
Speaker 1: We are not going to evolve or change into them anymore.
Speaker 1: And they have come here to they've been here for
Speaker 1: a long time, and you could say they're originally from Earth.
Speaker 1: So that's why I use the term cryptoterrestrial. Also, they've
Speaker 1: been here for so long, so they're an indigenous humanoid
Speaker 1: indigenous to Earth. But it gets quite complicated because it
Speaker 1: was a different version of Earth. But weren't necessarily going
Speaker 1: to that because it does get quite complicated.
Speaker 2: But having said that, at a point, it's timeline, different timelines.
Speaker 1: Age, yeah, time timelin this sorry, yeah, it's like Rick
Speaker 1: and Morty kind of stuff. Rather than time traveling back
Speaker 1: down into their own past, they've gone to another timeline
Speaker 1: that is, for all intents and purposes, identical to their
Speaker 1: own ancient past, but it isn't their own ancient past.
Speaker 1: It's just another timeline. So they have in a sense,
Speaker 1: hijacked our timeline. Depends on how kind you want to
Speaker 1: be to them as to say, as to how strong
Speaker 1: in emotive the language you want to use, you could say, really,
Speaker 1: they've hijacked our timeline, and they have to use us
Speaker 1: as like a like free range archaic humans, free range
Speaker 1: ancient versions of themselves that they can whose gene pool
Speaker 1: they can dip into when they need to to reinvigorate
Speaker 1: their own further generations and children. Now having said that
Speaker 1: they are, they are known to majestic as Orion's and
Speaker 1: that is because for tens of thousands of years, at
Speaker 1: one point in their own timeline, they came from an Earth,
Speaker 1: they left it and traveled to oriyon middle star of
Speaker 1: Oriyan's belt, so that's called Al Alam or Epsilon O'rionus.
Speaker 1: They colonize an earth like planet orbiting on Alam, and
Speaker 1: were therefore tens of thousands of years before deciding to
Speaker 1: travel into dimensionally or time travel or however you want
Speaker 1: to see it, to access ancient versions of themselves. But
Speaker 1: they so their genetic stock is ours is. They really
Speaker 1: are a version of us. They're very very closely related
Speaker 1: to us to the extent that they can those particular ones,
Speaker 1: the mudgeon or the tall Whites, they're so closely related
Speaker 1: to us that they can actually interbreed with us, whereas
Speaker 1: other future humans, like some some that are more like grays,
Speaker 1: couldn't copulate with us and produce offspring. They have to
Speaker 1: use other more you know, clinical procedures and things like that,
Speaker 1: with extracting sperm and over them and growing versions of
Speaker 1: themselves and things like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's so interesting saying. What I was going
Speaker 2: to say was, Okay, what are some of Charles Hall's
Speaker 2: other accounts like that he talks about.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's that's right, dumb. I was going to
Speaker 1: say that before, I think before we unfortunately had a
Speaker 1: bit of an interruption there in the stream. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Charles well, one of his books, that's the fifth book
Speaker 1: he's written six and not the biggest fan of his
Speaker 1: sixth book, number six, but number five. I'd recommend to
Speaker 1: people the first four of good and the best. Number
Speaker 1: five is excellent as well. Number five he called the grays.
Speaker 1: Now in Charles Hall's own opinion, he was interacting with
Speaker 1: a different kind of alien to the aliens or ets
Speaker 1: he was interacting with in the first four books, and
Speaker 1: he calls them grays. He says they're tall grays. Now
Speaker 1: in the book itself, he never gives any reason as
Speaker 1: to why he calls them grays. He says that they're
Speaker 1: wearing dark gray suits. Some of them are very tall,
Speaker 1: some of obviously children and shorter wearing these dark gray
Speaker 1: suits with masks with long nose pieces. Now, I've seen
Speaker 1: suits like this, and I know that tall whites wear them.
Speaker 1: Nowhere in his first four books does he mention ever
Speaker 1: seeing tall whites wear these. But when he does finally
Speaker 1: interact with beans wearing these kinds of suits that I
Speaker 1: call bowl with suits, he says that they're grays. Now
Speaker 1: one stage, he says he could see the skin on
Speaker 1: the face of one, and he doesn't say it's gray.
Speaker 1: He said it was yellow, looking like the light of
Speaker 1: his weather shack, yellow orange like all of his weather shack.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking on a sec like, tall whites can
Speaker 1: look all different kinds of colors if you see them
Speaker 1: in different lighting as well, because they're like chalk white.
Speaker 1: If you have if you have yellow lighting, blue lighting
Speaker 1: in your house. They do look like they're more yellow
Speaker 1: or more blue, even more than than Homo sapiens would
Speaker 1: of any kind of Homo sapien race, where they they're
Speaker 1: just so white, much more white then, you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm quite a pale person, much whiter than me. They're
Speaker 1: incredibly like paper white.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: So now he called his book the Great So I
Speaker 1: go into that in detail in one of the later
Speaker 1: chapters in my book Children of Ryan, where I talk
Speaker 1: about my reasons for believing that. In that particular book
Speaker 1: he was still interacting with tall whites, what he calls
Speaker 1: tall whites, what I call Madgina or O'Ryan's, but he
Speaker 1: just believed them to be another race. Now, it's a
Speaker 1: very interesting book because he went out to a different place,
Speaker 1: a different part of the mountains in Indian Springs or
Speaker 1: beyond Indian Springs somewhere, I think, but in the larger
Speaker 1: area of the Nallis Air Force Base still and was
Speaker 1: subjected to beings practicing stealth techniques on him at night
Speaker 1: in these suits, and even in my opinion, getting in
Speaker 1: his head and convincing him of realities, getting in his head,
Speaker 1: of manipulating his sense of the narrative of events as
Speaker 1: they were happening to him, and things like that. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of mental men manipulation, in my opinion
Speaker 1: beings exerted on Charles Hall, particularly in that fifth book.
Speaker 1: But so that makes it a very interesting book in
Speaker 1: my opinion. It is a book that shows you the
Speaker 1: training techniques that young toall whites go through to be
Speaker 1: able to use these suits for when they leave safe
Speaker 1: areas to wander about in our world, you know, in
Speaker 1: Homo sapiens controlled zones, moving through the world and not
Speaker 1: being noticed and being able to exert mental manipulation on
Speaker 1: people that they come across, to still fear in people's
Speaker 1: minds or to send because this is another feature as well,
Speaker 1: that's a that's in shared in common by ancient fairy
Speaker 1: and elf beliefs and then also the toll whites and
Speaker 1: other other cripatressural races. Is what could what you could
Speaker 1: call glamory casting glamours, you know, convincing you by sending
Speaker 1: an image into your mind that they do not look
Speaker 1: the way they actually look, convincing you that you're talking
Speaker 1: to someone that you know, maybe almost like it seems
Speaker 1: like a doppelganger. You'd be talking to a friend. You
Speaker 1: think it's your friend. You wander around the hill and
Speaker 1: your friend wasn't there. They've taken on a form. They
Speaker 1: haven't actually morphed physically to look like your friend, but
Speaker 1: they've projected into your mind in a hypnotic fashion, in
Speaker 1: a manipulative way, what they want you to see them as,
Speaker 1: and then you do. And in Charles Hall's fifth book
Speaker 1: or Sorry I can't your audio is gone, Sorry, Robert.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just want to say, that's familiar to like
Speaker 2: what fairy War was like when people talk about the fairies.
Speaker 2: The fairies could appear to people as whatever they want. Right,
Speaker 2: A fairy can not morph itself, but like it could
Speaker 2: predure or maybe it could morph itself. We're not sure.
Speaker 2: But like they can also project in your mind, and
Speaker 2: the Grays do that too, right, they project things in
Speaker 2: your mind. Is that what they want you to see
Speaker 2: them as?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, that's right. And also that you are in
Speaker 1: places that you aren't. You know that you might be
Speaker 1: on board their ship, but to you it still looks
Speaker 1: like your bedroom and things like that. Yeah, that's right. Fake,
Speaker 1: Like I suppose you could call them in euthology. People
Speaker 1: often talk about screen memories, of course, where you know
Speaker 1: that you'll you will not remember something as it actually was,
Speaker 1: like an abduction experience, but there'll be some other memory
Speaker 1: or that there'll be you know, a memory of having
Speaker 1: communicated with a being will be replaced to having communicated
Speaker 1: with an owl or a fox or you know, some
Speaker 1: animal or something like that, and you're quite confused by that.
Speaker 1: I suppose there's there's that kind of I suppose there's
Speaker 1: some kind of equatable those things screen memories and glamor
Speaker 1: or glamory. But yeah, for sure, that's in the old
Speaker 1: elf and fairy law. And when we're talking about elves
Speaker 1: and fairies, it's sort of like those older ideas of
Speaker 1: elves and fairies and the chic and like the Gaelic
Speaker 1: fairies and things not necessarily like you know, little women
Speaker 1: with wings as fairies or Santa's helpers at the North
Speaker 1: Bowl for elves. But these older ideas elf and fairy
Speaker 1: used to be fairly interchangeable as terms in early modern
Speaker 1: times in the Middle Ages to talk about these kinds
Speaker 1: of non human entities, these beings that lived in subterranean
Speaker 1: dwellings and that you'd have to appease, you know, and
Speaker 1: it also this ties in as well. I'm sort of
Speaker 1: rambling a bit sorry at the moment, but I'll just
Speaker 1: say at the moment that this also ties in, you know,
Speaker 1: comparing and equating fairy law and modern UFO law or
Speaker 1: abduction phenomena.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 1: Cattle mutilations. Yeah, the fairies and olves would would kill
Speaker 1: livestock that was coming too close to their underground habitations
Speaker 1: and also injure and sometimes kill humans as well. Now,
Speaker 1: this this is this continues on till today, of course.
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a huge amount of controversy about
Speaker 1: who's doing cattle mutilations nowadays, of course, and some people
Speaker 1: say the government doing it, or black ops, or that
Speaker 1: it's some kind of disinformation campaign trying to make people
Speaker 1: think that aliens are doing it, to think that aliens
Speaker 1: are more evil than they are, and all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. But uh, they do. I think they are
Speaker 1: responsible for some of them, you know, like tall whites
Speaker 1: are responsible in particular, Tall whites Mudginer are responsible for
Speaker 1: some animal mutilations we're in respect in particular to trying
Speaker 1: to exert psychological warfare against Homo sapiens. That are living
Speaker 1: too close to their underground habitations. So you have a
Speaker 1: famous instance of Skinwalker Ranch that all of your listeners
Speaker 1: are going to be very familiar with. I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: I'd go into my book a little bit about what
Speaker 1: I think the reasons are behind Skinwalker Ranch being one
Speaker 1: of the most haunted places on Earth and this sort
Speaker 1: of paranormal hotspot. It is, in my opinion, on or
Speaker 1: very close to a tall white habitation.
Speaker 2: Habitation.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't play nice if you a have dogs.
Speaker 1: They don't like dogs. They think of dogs as being dangerous,
Speaker 1: especially around their children, or be if you're a hunter
Speaker 1: or have firearms, they don't have any sense of humor
Speaker 1: about that kind of thing because they consider to be
Speaker 1: a danger. So you have malicious and aggressive intent, like
Speaker 1: let's say you're setting traps, you've got a firearm, and
Speaker 1: you're wandering around, You're going to shot rabbits in the
Speaker 1: woods near your ranch or something like that. They don't
Speaker 1: consider that to be acceptable. They'll try to move you
Speaker 1: on so that another more acceptable family might occupy the
Speaker 1: property or even better produce, you know, such a such
Speaker 1: a strong negative folklore in the surrounding population of people
Speaker 1: in the area, in the town, or in the in
Speaker 1: the states, or whatever, so that no one in their
Speaker 1: right mind wants to live there.
Speaker 2: Because it's a good question. The guy that the guy
Speaker 2: that first originally inhabited Skinwalker Ranch, I can't remember his name,
Speaker 2: but he was the owner. He was a cattle farmer,
Speaker 2: so maybe they didn't like. Look, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: a vegan. I don't know, I'm somewhat, But that's because
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is do they not like that that?
Speaker 2: Do they not like the cattle or the cattle farming either?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Well that's a thing, Yeah, that that Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: Well they are vegans in the Yeah, if you they
Speaker 1: only eat plant, plant products, they don't need any animal products.
Speaker 1: They also refuse to wear any clothing that's made from
Speaker 1: animal products, only wear synthetic clothing or plant based clothing
Speaker 1: and things like that. Now, and it might seem like
Speaker 1: a contradiction where you stay hold on a sec they're
Speaker 1: prepared to kill cattle, but they're vegans. Why are they vegans?
Speaker 1: And what's going on there? And why are they so
Speaker 1: prepared to be inhuman enough to just kill cattle to
Speaker 1: prove a point as a psychologue in their psychological warfare
Speaker 1: to drive out a family or something like that, or
Speaker 1: to eliminate the a family's business or something like that.
Speaker 1: But the contradiction is they, as you were saying and implying,
Speaker 1: they do not approve of this kind of agriculture, animal agriculture,
Speaker 1: They don't approve of that kind of those kinds of
Speaker 1: eating habits in us. And in an environmental sense, they
Speaker 1: see it as being contributing to an environmental declimb, declimb,
Speaker 1: the biosphere coming down too much of our natural forest
Speaker 1: and habitat replacing it with huge amounts of farmland. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go too much into this. I
Speaker 1: am a vegan by the way. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go too much into this and make your show me
Speaker 1: ranting abo that kind of stuff. But yes, they do
Speaker 1: have a dog in that fight, so to speak. They
Speaker 1: disapprove of it and all.
Speaker 2: But I just just on a personal quest, I've went
Speaker 2: more vegetarian lately. I went mostly fruits and vegetables. I mean,
Speaker 2: I do still eat some chicken and fish, but I
Speaker 2: mean I've cut out like all pork, all red meat.
Speaker 2: And I used to be a heavy, well not heavy,
Speaker 2: but you know, I worked out, so I was protein
Speaker 2: was essential for me. I thought it was, but then
Speaker 2: I realized you can get a lot of that from
Speaker 2: plant products, you know what I mean, you can get
Speaker 2: plant And I don't want to turn this into a
Speaker 2: health episode, but I mean, I'm just I see you
Speaker 2: in your ways, and I see why they're both. People
Speaker 2: think that because you get when you eat fruits and vegetables,
Speaker 2: you get energy. When you eat meat, you don't really
Speaker 2: get energy, you know, I don't know where I don't,
Speaker 2: at least I've never really got an energy first. But
Speaker 2: when I drink a smoothie in the morning and it's
Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables, I get automatic energy. So that's just
Speaker 2: should tell people something right there.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's right. I think all of the all
Speaker 1: of the races that I know of vegans, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't all of the CT races or whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, meat that we don't need it,
Speaker 1: you know, and nowadays in particular, you know, we can
Speaker 1: get all of the protein and all of the nutrients
Speaker 1: that we that we need from plant based products and
Speaker 1: from you know, meat substitutes and things like that in supermarkets.
Speaker 1: You know, if we were to return to hunter gatherers,
Speaker 1: you know, it might be a little bit difficult to
Speaker 1: maintain vegan habits if all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: there was some post apocalyptic world we're all scavenging around
Speaker 1: and you know, spearing deer or something like that, because
Speaker 1: because then you know, you really have to try and
Speaker 1: eat everything you possibly can, because you're you're bordering.
Speaker 2: On yeah, survival, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm wanted to touch on two cases before we go that.
Speaker 2: Two cases I thought were important with it you bring
Speaker 2: conclusions on were the Weedsoe case and the Averley case
Speaker 2: A V. E. L. E. Y. Avery. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's how I pronounce it, but those were two
Speaker 2: cases I thought were interesting that tie into this, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's right. Chris Bledsoe is pretty well known,
Speaker 1: I think, pretty famous in in ufology and paranormal research world.
Speaker 1: And uh he the Fayetteville incident in two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven was his first conscious experience, or say conscious experience,
Speaker 1: because in my opinion he's probably had more experiences early
Speaker 1: earlier in his life as well. But in the Fayetteville incident,
Speaker 1: for people who don't know about it, Christopher Bledsoe went
Speaker 1: with his son, Chris Bledsoe Jr. And a few contractors,
Speaker 1: because he was a builder who's quite a successful businessman
Speaker 1: building company. I'm not quite sure what he does for
Speaker 1: a cross nowadays, but this is what he was doing
Speaker 1: at the time two thousand and seven. I think three contractors,
Speaker 1: acquaintances friends of his, and his son and himself went
Speaker 1: down fishing. Now he decided to go for a walk
Speaker 1: off into the woods and he saw lights in the
Speaker 1: sky tried to run away from what he heard. Initially,
Speaker 1: before he even got to the top of a hill,
Speaker 1: I think, and saw these lights. He could hear something
Speaker 1: invisible rustling through the bushes, like there was something following him,
Speaker 1: and he'd stop and look and there's nothing there. That's
Speaker 1: quite a common throng through lots of different cases that
Speaker 1: lead up to abduction events with tour whites and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But where you'll hear them hurt, they even heard you
Speaker 1: in a certain place, you know, but you won't be
Speaker 1: able to see them because they're wearing their suits and
Speaker 1: what So he went up. I think he got to
Speaker 1: a top of a hill and he saw these lights
Speaker 1: in the sky and he went to run away. I
Speaker 1: think he hid, and then he saw one coming up
Speaker 1: above him, but then he ran off, and when he
Speaker 1: got back, he'd been gone for hours, but didn't realize,
Speaker 1: you classic missing time scenario. Didn't realize how long he'd
Speaker 1: been gone for many many hours. I can't remember off
Speaker 1: the top of my head how many now, but it
Speaker 1: might have been like five, very very long period of time.
Speaker 1: And he had no idea he'd gone that far. But
Speaker 1: what disturbed in most of all was that his son
Speaker 1: was also missing. So there were just the three guys,
Speaker 1: the contractors they're fishing. His son was also missing, and
Speaker 1: he said, where's my son? And his son apparently had
Speaker 1: gone missing a fair while before as well, to look
Speaker 1: for him. So he ran back to the woods and
Speaker 1: found his son carrying in the bushes. In the bushes,
Speaker 1: and his son still remembered what had happened to him.
Speaker 1: He'd been hiding when there were these small beings with
Speaker 1: glowing red eyes that were sort of blinking in and out,
Speaker 1: going invisible and then coming back again. And they were playing,
Speaker 1: I think they were playing with bottles and things like this,
Speaker 1: And when the other guys were looking for the two bledos,
Speaker 1: the beans would disappear. When the truck went past, and
Speaker 1: then they'd reappear again. And so Chris Bledso's son, Chris
Speaker 1: bled Joe Jr. Was in the bushes hiding from these
Speaker 1: beans until they let him leave again. I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure if he was paralyzed he couldn't move in that
Speaker 1: they were exerting some kind of manipulation in his mind,
Speaker 1: which they can do, or what they was simply just
Speaker 1: frightened of them and waiting till they had left. But
Speaker 1: they all got in, and then there were lots of
Speaker 1: stars in the sky that began to fall, and then
Speaker 1: all of them altogether back at the original position, saw
Speaker 1: that all these stars were all falling out of the
Speaker 1: sky and landing across the river and craft in the sky.
Speaker 1: And then some of the beans started galloping on all
Speaker 1: fours after them as they were trying to get out
Speaker 1: in the truck, actually chasing them like gazelle like quadrupedans,
Speaker 1: which is another thing that tall whites to, especially their children.
Speaker 1: They can run on run on all fours. Their arms
Speaker 1: are longer than our's relative of their body length, and
Speaker 1: they can quite naturally move around on all fours. And
Speaker 1: Charles Hall talks about that. I've seen them doing that
Speaker 1: several occasions when I was a kid. I remember them
Speaker 1: doing that. I was playing with them with the with
Speaker 1: their children being watched by the tall dark ones with
Speaker 1: going red eyes in the other suits. And then so
Speaker 1: he ended up dropping people off with craft following them.
Speaker 1: And when the two Bledzoes got back to their house,
Speaker 1: Chris Bledsoe looked outside, Chris bleds has and you looked
Speaker 1: outside and saw a seven foot tall bean walking around
Speaker 1: in the garden. And they drove off. They drove off
Speaker 1: again and parked in a vehicle in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field and slept the other night. Now, since then,
Speaker 1: he's had lots of hypnotic aggression sessions and found out
Speaker 1: a lot of what happened to him in that missing time,
Speaker 1: considerable amount of missing time in the original event, and
Speaker 1: he has come to be a well known experiencer. And
Speaker 1: his family have experienced lots of things, his wife's experience things,
Speaker 1: but they have these this double aspect happening where and
Speaker 1: Chris bleds those cases particularly informative and helpful when you're
Speaker 1: profiling and trying to describe these beings and add to
Speaker 1: add to a list of characteristics and assigned to them.
Speaker 1: Different appearances and things like that that they can take on.
Speaker 1: Is that not only did you have these more typical
Speaker 1: sort of et abduction phenomenon phenomena, but shadow people, poltergeist activity.
Speaker 1: Now these things, as people who've studied followed you will
Speaker 1: be quite aware of paranormal research in general. People that
Speaker 1: see UFOs or have abduction experiences quite often this will
Speaker 1: also come with ghostly figures in their house, disembodied voices,
Speaker 1: television's to in themselves on and off, radios coming on,
Speaker 1: footsteps on the roof, footsteps down the stairs, shadow beans
Speaker 1: moving through.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what do you think the shadow
Speaker 2: people have to do with it? Do you think they
Speaker 2: are separate entities? Or do you think that that that
Speaker 2: a poral gets triggered when people see UFOs and maybe
Speaker 2: a poral opens up, or do you think the shadow
Speaker 2: beans are the cryptoterrestrials in disguise?
Speaker 1: They are? Then definitely that well, some I won't say
Speaker 1: all shadow people are crypto terrestrials, but most of them,
Speaker 1: and certainly the ones that I've seen, and certainly in
Speaker 1: Christopher Bledzo's case, they are. When they're wearing these boa suits.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they can be completely invisible. Still casting shadows. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they will look like a dark like a dark mass
Speaker 1: moving around. So yeah, shadow people are cloaking ets. That's
Speaker 1: what shadow people are, or most most shadow people encounters
Speaker 1: are poltar guist activity, most polar gist activity, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and I argue in my book and then the book
Speaker 1: coming up. Most poltergeist activity is not deceased human related.
Speaker 1: It is c T related or ET related. Now, sometimes
Speaker 1: they are trying to That can happen for heaps of
Speaker 1: different reasons, you know. But you know, they might be
Speaker 1: trying to scare you because that, like I said, like
Speaker 1: in the Skinwalker ranch case, they might not want you
Speaker 1: somewhere and they're trying to expel your family or you
Speaker 1: from a certain place. Or sometimes you'll be having interactions
Speaker 1: with them partially remembered interactions. Shadow people polarized activity because
Speaker 1: they are interested in you, because you are part of
Speaker 1: their breeding program and not consciously know that you are.
Speaker 1: That's another reason a house can be haunted, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, typical cases of haunting are cryptoterrestrial interactions. Now
Speaker 1: that's not to say that there aren't such things as
Speaker 1: ghosts that are you know, residue of a deceased people
Speaker 1: left over or something like that. I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but I definitely do know that most hauntings are are
Speaker 1: related to these beings. So when you've got a haunted
Speaker 1: So if someone says to me and my house is haunted,
Speaker 1: you know, things keep going missing, things are taken away
Speaker 1: and then replaced or put back in the wrong place.
Speaker 1: I hear voices in the house at night, footsteps at night,
Speaker 1: dark shapes standing me in over me at night that
Speaker 1: are then gone, people touching me in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, and things like that. I'm like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: a cryptoterrestrial experiencer and not that. So your house isn't
Speaker 1: haunted necessarily, you have some involvement with them, And it's
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. There's lots of experiences you've
Speaker 1: had that you wouldn't remember, wow. And lots of people
Speaker 1: have experiences with them and never remember anything and don't
Speaker 1: even know who don't even think of their house as
Speaker 1: being haunted as well. But those people who think that
Speaker 1: their house is haunted usually in my opinion, are cryptoterrestrial
Speaker 1: experiences in some fashion or another. But Chris Bledsoe's case, yes,
Speaker 1: so he had these kinds of things going on in
Speaker 1: association with each other. So you know, typical classic Polder geyists,
Speaker 1: shadow people, negative feelings and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Stuff moved around, and then also you know seeing craft
Speaker 1: or being taken at night by by tall beings. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so with Chris Bledsoe, that's he's an excellent case because
Speaker 1: you didn't see both those sides of it happening. And
Speaker 1: I think Grant Cameron, Grant Cameron, Canadian famous Canadian research,
Speaker 1: would know, I'm sure he, and he knows Chris bledso
Speaker 1: quite well. And I think either the first time he
Speaker 1: ever went to Chris Bledsoe's house or one of the
Speaker 1: original times. Anyway, there was this dramatic experience where they
Speaker 1: were inside together and the dogs, Chris Bledsoe's dogs kept
Speaker 1: coming inside and Grant Cameron and Chris brothers would like
Speaker 1: wave them away and say what are you doing and
Speaker 1: close the front door, and then they'd sit down and
Speaker 1: he'd be talking to Grant again, and then the dogs
Speaker 1: were back inside, and he kept ushering them out and
Speaker 1: they kept coming back inside, right, So then they went
Speaker 1: out in the garden and they were talking in the garden.
Speaker 1: One of the dogs ran past and blood was streaming
Speaker 1: from its throat.
Speaker 2: And it's sliced open like instantaneously, right the way he's said,
Speaker 2: I've heard this. Yeah, it's amazing, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's spraying all along Grant Cameron's jeans, copious amounts
Speaker 1: of blood. And then they weren't quite sure what they
Speaker 1: were going to do, and I think they were trying
Speaker 1: to stop the bleeding, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it was stopped and the dog wanders off and it's fine.
Speaker 1: Now what happened, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: The Chris bloods. They were saying the Bloodsoe maybe had
Speaker 2: some healing properties and maybe the eaties gave them that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: to that as well, where Chris Bledsoe, where people in
Speaker 1: the community near him believe now that he has healing properties,
Speaker 1: and there's a tree in his yard that was the
Speaker 1: burst into flames that stage. There's a story behind that
Speaker 1: as well, where mel Gibson. Mel Gibson wanted to make
Speaker 1: a movie about Chris's story, and so Chris put the
Speaker 1: question to the to the beans and a tree burst
Speaker 1: into flames as well, which is, you know, very biblical
Speaker 1: symbolism or whatever. But whether that means yes or hell no,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. But anyway, I don't think that
Speaker 1: that movie Mel Gibson, that it never ended up making
Speaker 1: that movie. But still the I think the tree itself,
Speaker 1: I think I've heard people talking about how Chris has
Speaker 1: put people's people that have physical problems, illnesses of different kinds, melodies,
Speaker 1: He's put their clothing in the tree and it's helped
Speaker 1: them somehow, and all this kind of stuff. So there's
Speaker 1: this separate facet of like perhaps healing properties associated with
Speaker 1: Chris bloods as well. And yes, he put his hand
Speaker 1: on the dog, I think, and he was trying to stop,
Speaker 1: trying to staunch the blood, stop the blood flow, and
Speaker 1: it did work, it stopped or and then the dog
Speaker 1: was completely fine. In my opinion, what happened there with
Speaker 1: the Grant Cameron Chris Bledsoe situation was that the mudgeoner
Speaker 1: the tall Whites were there in his yard and the
Speaker 1: kids were playing. And when he's been hypnotized at different stage,
Speaker 1: he said, the children come to my yard and play.
Speaker 1: That's something that he's on record being hypnotized as that.
Speaker 1: Chris Bledsoe is said that you Now they don't like dogs,
Speaker 1: as I said before, the tall whites, but they just
Speaker 1: trust them, you know, they're quite flighty around them, disturbed
Speaker 1: by them.
Speaker 2: Dogs can see them too, right, dogs can see them.
Speaker 1: That's also that must be particularly annoying to them, that
Speaker 1: when they're trying to yet hoodwink Homo sapiens. That might
Speaker 1: be easy enough, but dogs have of course. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: like preternatural smell and hearing and consense cloaking cryptoterrestrials when
Speaker 1: they prefer not to be sensed, probably, which is another
Speaker 1: reason to not like them, as well as them being
Speaker 1: fearful for their children and things like that quite often.
Speaker 1: So I think the dogs were being sent back inside
Speaker 1: by the crypto terrestrials, and Chris Bledsoe kept letting them
Speaker 1: out and they care and then and so finally, when
Speaker 1: they all came out in the garden, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: one of the children and they wear these clawed hands,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that makes sense, got frightened and actually
Speaker 1: slashed the dog's throat, which is what they use them for.
Speaker 1: They slash animal's throats if they're threatened. And and then
Speaker 1: there was this kerfuffle, and then in my opinion. Probably
Speaker 1: Chris Bledzo and Grant Cameron were switched off, were frozen
Speaker 1: while the cryptoterstrials tried to work out how they're going
Speaker 1: to heal the dog, and they ended up healing the
Speaker 1: dog and then switching the back up. Because the thing
Speaker 1: is with tall Whites, they seem to have it. They
Speaker 1: have an inability. They don't heal quickly themselves. This is
Speaker 1: part of the issues that they have with their own
Speaker 1: genomic structure. They don't they're healing. The bodies take much
Speaker 1: longer to heal than ours do. Now, even though they
Speaker 1: have these advanced technologies that can heal us very quickly
Speaker 1: and heal animals of the earth very quickly, they themselves
Speaker 1: are haunted by these issues where they find it very difficult,
Speaker 1: even with their advanced technologies to heal their own bodies
Speaker 1: if they get cuts and particularly prone to infections and
Speaker 1: things like this. But yeah, so, But Chris Bledsoe's case
Speaker 1: just a wonderful, just an amazing case. And it's ongoing. Uh.
Speaker 1: He and his family have continue to have experiences that
Speaker 1: his son it's not it's not the sun, Chris.
Speaker 2: His son Chris, was on the Tinfoil Hat podcast. He
Speaker 2: was he came, Yeah, he came on Sam Tripley's Tinfoil
Speaker 2: Hat podcasts, and he was saying that that aliens are real,
Speaker 2: that they're they're in a dimensional and he was saying
Speaker 2: that maybe they don't have the best best outlook for humanity,
Speaker 2: but he thinks maybe there's different ones or something that
Speaker 2: I would have to go back and listen to that.
Speaker 2: But I didn't like take them seriously because I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: like I'm interested in your dad's case. I was like,
Speaker 2: it's cool that you're on Tenfoil Hat because I love
Speaker 2: that show. It's with Sam Trippleway. He's like a comedian,
Speaker 2: but he does like a it's a big conspiracy podcast,
Speaker 2: you know. But I was like, so I'll give him
Speaker 2: the respect to being on the show, but it's more
Speaker 2: like his dad that I want to hear about the experience.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know what I mean, Like that's how
Speaker 2: I felt about that. What about the Avily case? Like
Speaker 2: what I've never heard of that? Like I don't want
Speaker 2: to take up too much of your time. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I just these caces are so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Aveley case, Yeah, that's one that I haven't
Speaker 1: heard about. Much, but I found in an old flying
Speaker 1: source of review magazine or a couple spread over a
Speaker 1: couple of issues of f f SR magazine, that old
Speaker 1: flying saurcer Review, And uh yeah, it's and and I
Speaker 1: talk about that in my book because it's incredibly interesting.
Speaker 1: There was a couple that's I think it's pronounced avely,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I've never heard of pronounce but avery abduction.
Speaker 1: There is a fan. The couple, the two adults and
Speaker 1: their three children, were driving a car one day, saw
Speaker 1: a star in the sky that seemed to be moving
Speaker 1: and then it was like it was following parallel with them,
Speaker 1: and then there was a misst It was there was
Speaker 1: a cloud or a mist, like a wall of mist
Speaker 1: that they drove into, and then they drove out of
Speaker 1: it in another area, another district, which really freaked them out,
Speaker 1: as you can imagine. And it wasn't until later on
Speaker 1: when they did hypnotic coggression and things like that, that
Speaker 1: they found out more about what had happened there where
Speaker 1: they had been on board a craft. Two of the
Speaker 1: children were asleep anyway, so it was just one of
Speaker 1: the children was awake for this, and the two adults,
Speaker 1: the husband and wife taken on board, and they were
Speaker 1: separated and they were asked to lie on tables, and
Speaker 1: then they were inspected and they were actually shown a
Speaker 1: lot of things, and particularly the guy, I think he
Speaker 1: had a lot of questions for them, and they were
Speaker 1: very open and talked about which I can't remember off
Speaker 1: the top of my head, but a lot of the
Speaker 1: the propulsion systems that they use on their craft and
Speaker 1: the technologies that they wear where when they're outside, and
Speaker 1: they said they also admitted that their time travels. They said,
Speaker 1: now there were two different races. There was tall, fair
Speaker 1: ones with blue eyes, and then there was a shorter
Speaker 1: There was a short dark There were short dark beings
Speaker 1: with big pointed ears and like fur and big clawed hands.
Speaker 1: Now now they were told that they were from another time.
Speaker 1: And they were shown and like some kind of projection
Speaker 1: or a hologram, and they said, this is the history
Speaker 1: of the world, our past and your future. Take this
Speaker 1: message to mankind or something like that. I'm paraphrasing heavily here,
Speaker 1: But so there was this implication that their future versions
Speaker 1: of ourselves. They said, we live underneath your oceans, we
Speaker 1: live in your mountains. We have been here for a
Speaker 1: long time, and we require you to help us. So basically,
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff I've been talking about so far
Speaker 1: in the interview sort of alignes with these kinds of
Speaker 1: ideas time travelers of a kind requiring us for genetic assistance. Now,
Speaker 1: the small the small beans are interesting because there's a
Speaker 1: kind of being that is another future human that is
Speaker 1: a brown color. Now, these are the beans that are
Speaker 1: in the Virginia incident in Brazil that I think that's
Speaker 1: from the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Roger and we went over that. No, they went
Speaker 2: over that. That's an interesting case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oily skinned, brown skin, I think, glowing red eyes,
Speaker 1: three ridges across the tops of their skulls. Those kinds
Speaker 1: of beans the Mudginer have told me are called sebetina,
Speaker 1: which are another kind of future human. But when normally
Speaker 1: when they're outside their craft, they wear helmets that have
Speaker 1: been point of years and they also have a suit
Speaker 1: that has like a brown suit, skin tight that has
Speaker 1: like fluff or fur on it. So it's my opinion
Speaker 1: that the people in the Avely case saw the tall
Speaker 1: whites but also saw seba wearing these suits, not actually
Speaker 1: seeing them as they are and their faces, their nose.
Speaker 1: They have a bit that comes up there the head.
Speaker 1: The helmets kind of look like a bat's head, like
Speaker 1: a vampire bat, with a sort of point of nose
Speaker 1: and pointed ears and eyes outside like the beans, the
Speaker 1: beans in the Kentucky the Kentucky Goblins are them.
Speaker 2: Yeah happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they submit in their suits, but they're wearing them.
Speaker 1: They don't actually look look like that. Their heads are
Speaker 1: they got. Their actual faces are much more like a
Speaker 1: stereotypical grade kind of look. But they're brown with three ridges,
Speaker 1: three pronounced ridges on their skull. And then when they're
Speaker 1: then they wear these helmets. But anyway, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think the case were they to race the side by
Speaker 1: side that are close allies to bet you're not and
Speaker 1: the Magino.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting. These old cases are so
Speaker 2: interesting and they tie everything together. They you're making me see, ah,
Speaker 2: to finalize everything and to finish up here, you're making
Speaker 2: me see a clear picture that these beings not only
Speaker 2: really exist, but they might be the culprits behind a
Speaker 2: lot of different things, and all these different stories tie
Speaker 2: them together. Bledsoe Hall Jock Valet talked about it. Mac
Speaker 2: Tony's It's all drawing a similar picture, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, different elements of the larger, greater narrative. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just love it, man, I mean you obviously
Speaker 1: love it yourself, you know, just investigating all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff.
Speaker 2: And I love that you can bring the evidence that
Speaker 2: the points to the old cases, because I think that's
Speaker 2: we need that, right, I mean, like to try to
Speaker 2: identify what this phenomena is. And maybe there's other phenomena
Speaker 2: going on too, Like we don't know what the grays are,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering if there really are reptilians. I hear
Speaker 2: there are for many different people. Like, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on reptilians real quick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not popular in this respect, I don't think,
Speaker 1: because I don't think that those exist now. I think,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, reptilians is a misidentification of some of
Speaker 1: the future human races that have scaly skin and claws.
Speaker 1: So this is how this has sort of begun. Also,
Speaker 1: the tall whites when they're wearing these boas suits, tall lanky,
Speaker 1: dark beans, glowing red eyes and claws, cloaking and shape
Speaker 1: shifting only in the sense that they can, you know,
Speaker 1: make you think they look like you know different people, Well,
Speaker 1: well that's all. That's that's also an element too, because
Speaker 1: they can project something that conforms to your preconceived ideas
Speaker 1: about what things look like. You know that they can.
Speaker 1: They can utilize your own like vocabulary of ideas and
Speaker 1: your own belief system and paradigm and cosmology, your own
Speaker 1: religious beliefs, your own beliefs about ghosts and the paranormal,
Speaker 1: preconceived ideas about what ets are and things like that,
Speaker 1: and they can slip that on like a glove and
Speaker 1: if they think it will assist in them communicating with you,
Speaker 1: facilitating communication, or manipulating you for some reason they feel
Speaker 1: that you need to be informed about something or manipulated
Speaker 1: in some way helped even or whatever helped them, they can.
Speaker 1: They're masters of deceit and deception in that as well.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, in my personal opinion, I don't think reptilian
Speaker 1: ets exist, and I know that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there that say that they do in
Speaker 1: a forthright and honestly genuinely saying they've had experiences with
Speaker 1: these beings and things like that. I doubt it that
Speaker 1: they are real though, that they have a real objective
Speaker 1: physical base. In reality, I think that they're misidentifications most
Speaker 1: of the time.
Speaker 2: It's a different race. Basically, it's some race, but it's
Speaker 2: a different race than what people think than a remnant
Speaker 2: a reptilian. Like that's pretty interesting. I don't have any
Speaker 2: other questions. I'm trying to think. I can you tell
Speaker 2: everybody where they can find the book and if they
Speaker 2: have questions for you or anything like that, where they
Speaker 2: can find you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, thanks Robert. Yeah. My book Children
Speaker 1: of Ryan Finding the Cryptoterrestrials is published by Flying disc Press,
Speaker 1: and it's just available available on Amazon, so your paperback, hardcover,
Speaker 1: and digital. We're going to have it as an audio
Speaker 1: book there at one stage, but that'll fall through unfortunately.
Speaker 1: And I have a YouTube channel which is just my
Speaker 1: name if people want to check that out, postings on
Speaker 1: there occasionally, just sort of like a vlog Ryan muskrave Evans,
Speaker 1: and I'm not on social media anymore. I pulled the
Speaker 1: plug on that. People can send me email if they'd like.
Speaker 1: They just go into the If you go onto my
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and go into the about section, you'll find
Speaker 1: my email under business inquiries. If people want to have
Speaker 1: a yarn about anything, that question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, thank you so much for doing this
Speaker 2: and I always have an interesting time talking to you. Man.
Speaker 2: This was great.
Speaker 1: I thank you, Robert. Good on you mate.
Speaker 2: All Right, i'll talk to you. I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: I'll send you a link when I upload it too. Okay, thanks,
Speaker 2: all right,