WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:19.440 Welcome friends, Jacky. 2 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.039 Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three forty seven. I 3 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:22.760 am Zaki has Son. I'm here with Brian Hall. 4 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:25.519 Hey, that's going, Zachie, it's going. 5 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.839 I'm excited to discuss our movie for today. Oh Man, 6 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.839 me too, But we have we have other business before that. 7 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:34.240 But what have what have you seen? Other than that? 8 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:37.320 I should say, you know, you and I we had 9 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:40.359 a really fun discussion just just a couple of days 10 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.600 ago talking about the new Evil Dead movie, the new 11 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:47.640 Minions movie. We did a deep dive into obsession. 12 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.840 Yes, we finally got into spoiler territory. So I think 13 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:54.159 that conversation was about forty minutes long. I mean it 14 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:58.039 was like a full on spoiler filled review and it 15 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:00.320 was really fun, like hearing your your t on it 16 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:01.719 because you just watched it recently. 17 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:06.000 Yeah. And if you are hearing us say this and 18 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.599 you're like, wait, I don't remember that, well, that's because 19 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:10.439 you got to head over to our Patreon feed to 20 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:10.719 hear that. 21 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.719 Yeah, it's part of one of our bonus conversations that 22 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:15.599 we drop over there about twice a month over at 23 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:20.400 patreon dot com. Slash MOVIEFILM podcasted has all our commentaries, 24 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:24.439 all our regular episodes without ads and bonus conversations where 25 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:28.519 we'll get into reviews occasionally, trailer talk, just all sorts 26 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:31.159 of conversations that just don't fit into the regular episode, So. 27 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:35.359 You never know what's going to pop up over there exactly. 28 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.400 You know, I have to This is a little out 29 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:40.159 of date now, but I just had to share this 30 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.480 with you because I thought you might appreciate it. But 31 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:47.959 going back to Disclosure Day, Yes, So I had to 32 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:54.400 call customer service the other day for something, and while 33 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:57.359 the woman was working on whatever, she said, you know, 34 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.359 I've been wanting to check out the movie Disclosure Day. 35 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:02.079 She's like, have you have you seen? 36 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:04.159 How in the hell does that come up? 37 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:06.840 I am sure we were talking about movies or something. 38 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:08.479 I don't remember, but she was like, I'm interested in 39 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.759 Disclosure Day. Have you seen it? And I go yeah. 40 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.919 She goes, oh is it good? And I went here's 41 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:20.599 the thing and I was like, look, I yes, I 42 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.080 mean if you like Spielberg. And I went into like 43 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.319 a real like confusing ramble about my feelings about it, 44 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.439 and she you could hear her. She was just like, well, 45 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:36.159 I like E. T. And then I was like yeah, 46 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.560 go see it. I was like, she didn't ask for 47 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.520 like a seven minute And so then later I have 48 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.319 a friend named Carly and she and I play Cinematrix 49 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.280 every morning, like we send the puzzles to each other. 50 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:51.039 And then this was like a week or two ago, 51 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.280 She's like, oh, I have a Friday afternoon off. I 52 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.439 was thinking about seeing Disclosure Day? Should I Should I 53 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.400 check it out? I was like, well, and then I 54 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:03.319 wrote this paragraph trying to explain my complicated feelings on it, 55 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.520 and she literally wrote back, I don't understand any of 56 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:07.240 what you just said. 57 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:11.280 She's like, yeah, I'm not reading all that, but I'm 58 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:13.639 sorry that happened, or I'm happy for you. 59 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.719 Exactly, yes, exactly. But I was like, yeah, I just 60 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:19.120 really need to figure out I still haven't whittled down 61 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.039 like a bite sized version of how I feel about 62 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.240 that movie. But I thought you might appreciate that. 63 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:25.719 How many times have you seen it? 64 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:26.520 Twice? 65 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:31.000 Twice? Okay? Yeah, okay, well yeah, i'd say your feelings 66 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.599 are pretty locked in at this point. Yeah. 67 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.560 No, for sure, they just use a lot of words 68 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:40.520 because they're complicated, but you know, and something else. Sorry, 69 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.240 I just have to bring this up because this happened 70 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.120 right before we got on air. Have you heard I 71 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:48.080 got an advertisement, like a suggested thing, I think for 72 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.479 a video game called Powerwash Simulator. Have you heard of this? 73 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:53.199 No? 74 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.840 So apparently it's a video game where all you do 75 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:00.479 is operate a powerwasher. Okay, and so you you know 76 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.599 you've seen these videos. They're sort of soothing to a 77 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:05.479 certain set of people where it's like, you know, you 78 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.639 have a dirty carpet or a house it's just caked 79 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.840 in mud and grime. But you work a powerwasher. Someone 80 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.800 works a powerwasher and slowly, you know, line by line, 81 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.040 takes all this grime off of the house. Well, someone 82 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:22.160 turned that into a video game and for powerwasher No sorry, 83 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:26.800 Powerwash Simulator two there is a Star Wars edition. Wow, 84 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.720 so now you can powerwash at at walkers like the 85 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:34.600 Millennium Falcon and this is available on Xbox PS five 86 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:38.879 the switch And I was like, I want to do that. 87 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:44.439 Oh wow, I just thought that was such an interesting thing. 88 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.720 I don't know, doesn't Powerwash Simulator sound like something it 89 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:52.199 would be like Conan you know, those like cable channels. 90 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:58.439 Yes, yes it does. But I love that because I've 91 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.639 seen those videos before. And I do find them soothing, 92 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.040 and it's funny that enough people feel that same way 93 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:07.759 that they've made a video game out of it, and 94 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:09.399 even someone is like, you know, what'd be kind of cool. 95 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.079 I kind of want to I kind of want to 96 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.639 Powerwasha X Wing. I just I don't know, I haven't 97 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:17.920 looked at the price yet, but let's just say I'm interested. 98 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:20.360 Well, there you go, they got the Brian vote. 99 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:21.399 Yeah. 100 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.839 Well, well, have you have you seen anything else? Anything 101 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:25.920 we didn't talk about in our in our bonus show? 102 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.680 Yeah, I know, we've got a full episode here. So 103 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:30.720 I'll go through these a little quickly, but I do 104 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:34.000 want to mention that this past weekend I got to 105 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.079 see a concert. It was the music of Wes Anderson 106 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.959 at the Hollywood Bowl, And so you know the Hollywood 107 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.040 Bowl out here in Los Angeles. They'll do all sorts 108 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.000 of things. They have the La Philharmonic playing Mozart and 109 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.800 then sometimes the music of John Williams, or they'll have 110 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:52.439 I know, Muse is going to be here in a 111 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:56.800 couple of weeks, but they'll do these really interesting specific 112 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:01.079 sorts of programs sometimes, like I mean, the music of 113 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.040 Wes Anderson and I love Wes Anderson, as longtime listeners know, 114 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.160 and at first I was like, oh, that sounds really interesting. 115 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:09.600 I wonder what that would be like. And I wasn't 116 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:10.800 sure if I was going to go or not, and 117 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.639 I ended up going at the last minute. And I 118 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:15.920 don't know how I could have possibly missed this, Like 119 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:22.639 this was so special. It was m seed by Bill Murray, 120 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.120 so that was pretty fun. He came out in a 121 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.439 zizu you know white sorry read tuk, you know, like 122 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.439 his character in that film, and a cigarette in his mouth, 123 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:34.680 and you know, just like hello and welcome to the bowl, 124 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.000 which is funny. And Beck and his band were basically 125 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.399 the house band. LA Philharmonic performed, Jackson Brown was there, 126 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:48.079 Jeff Goldbloom and his jazz ensemble performed, and they played 127 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:51.360 all these songs from the soundtracks of Wes Anderson films, 128 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.920 which I know, of course, but I didn't realize how 129 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:02.279 much those things had been ingrained into me. Like suddenly, 130 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:04.439 as I was listening to these songs, I was like, oh, 131 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:06.959 I know these note for note, I mean not just 132 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:10.639 the you know, British Invasion tracks and things from Rushmore 133 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.680 or whatever, but just even the score from Grand Budapest 134 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:17.040 and it I actually got a little emotional a couple 135 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.600 of times because I realized that these this music has 136 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:25.199 been in my life for thirty years, which I just 137 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:27.800 never considered. But I saw Bottle Rocket when I was 138 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.920 sixteen years old, amazing, yeah, and being in an enormous 139 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.879 venue like this and hearing what I would think are 140 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.639 deep cuts, you know, from a deep cut of a 141 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:43.279 film performed live with clips from Bottle Rocket playing on 142 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:47.519 these giant screens. And then I also so it reminded 143 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:49.920 me of being sixteen and being in my friend Jason's 144 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.759 basement and us discovering this movie together and being like, wow, 145 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.600 like this is now our favorite filmmaker, you know, and 146 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.360 just that exciting feeling of becoming a sinophile in your teens, 147 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.800 you know. And I remember then because I loved him 148 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:08.000 Anderson and being in college and convincing my friends in 149 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:09.560 college we got to go see the Royal Ten and 150 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.480 bombs this filmmakers amazing, and I remember us walking out 151 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.439 of the theater and there's a group of us and 152 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.399 all almost all of them were like, sorry, man, this 153 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:21.639 isn't for us, you know, and you know, everyone kind 154 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.519 of break breaking apart, but there was one guy I'll 155 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.079 never forget. His name is Andrew Wagner, and he just 156 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.120 it was like Charlie Brown. He was like Linus and 157 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.399 I was like Charlie Brown. Everyone walked away, and then 158 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.320 he put his hand actually on my shoulder and went 159 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.039 I loved it. I was like, oh, really, you know, 160 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:38.559 it's like you're finding your people. 161 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:40.000 That's hilarious. 162 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:42.720 I remember listening to the Grand Budapest soundtrack when I 163 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:44.840 started at Bob's Burgers, and I was kind of nervous 164 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:46.840 and didn't know anybody, so like it brought me back 165 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:51.039 to that time. It was surprisingly emotional and really really 166 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:54.720 special and satisfying. So I'm so so thankful I got 167 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.080 to check that out this past weekend. A what a strange, 168 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.960 unique thing, kind of an only in La kind of experience, 169 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.279 you know. Yeah, and I have to mention this too 170 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:05.679 because I thought this was funny. I went with our 171 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.440 friend Busha, who's also a big Wes Anderson fan, and 172 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.120 there was a moment when I was looking at Bill 173 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:13.519 Murray on stage and I thought, wow, that's. 174 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:17.200 A ghostbuster, Like you know what I mean, He's right there, 175 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:21.080 like he fought the state puffed marshmallow man and and 176 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.600 then literally, I mean less than a minute later, Busha 177 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:24.840 turned to me and went. 178 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:29.639 That's Peter Venkman. It's like, yeah, we are exactly on 179 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:30.600 the same page right now. 180 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:31.559 That's really funny. 181 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.799 So anyway, that was a really cool experience. And you 182 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:36.000 and I've been to the Bowl before, right, We saw 183 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:37.600 Weird Al there. 184 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.519 That was We've been there a few times. We saw 185 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.039 Weird How we saw John Williams. We watched Star Wars 186 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:42.639 in concert. 187 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.679 Oh yeah, yeah, Well they had the live orchestra scoring. Yeah, yeah, 188 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.399 which you've done a couple of times. I remember you 189 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.240 went with your kids to see Empire, right. 190 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.519 Uh, Empire and a Jurassic Park at the at the 191 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:55.759 San Francisco Symphony. 192 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.720 Yeah, those are really special events if they do those 193 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:02.519 in your area. To see a live orchestra playing the 194 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:05.039 soundtrack to a film as you're watching it is a 195 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:05.840 really special thing. 196 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:09.840 Yeah. And I've said before what the trick is, find 197 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.440 a movie where you know every note of the score, 198 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:18.759 because what that does that that allows you to really 199 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:21.200 savor the fact that it is being performed live because 200 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:27.200 you notice the subtle differences, which I think makes it 201 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:28.440 makes it a little extra, you. 202 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:34.840 Know, well, two of the things I'll mention real fast. 203 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.759 I teased this in the bonus episode, but I watched 204 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:42.159 a movie called How to Make a Killing That's Right, 205 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:46.080 which came out earlier this year stars Glenn Pwell and 206 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:51.120 see the IMDb summary says disowned at birth by his 207 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:55.759 obscenely wealthy family. Blue collar said to pop up interrupt 208 00:10:55.879 --> 00:11:03.639 the log line, He's a capitalism, I know, disowned at 209 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.120 birth by his obscenely wealthy family. Blue collar Beckett Redfellow 210 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.639 will stop at nothing to reclaim his inheritance, no matter 211 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:14.240 how many relatives stand in his way. So basically, he's 212 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.440 going to knock off all his relatives till he's the 213 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:21.720 last person standing to get his inheritance. And you know, 214 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.600 it's funny. I saw this trailer and it looked intriguing, 215 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.480 but I gotta admit there was a little part of 216 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.200 me it was like turning my stomach a bit, like 217 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:33.039 just the idea of watching a fun movie about someone 218 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.799 being blase just murdering people for money, Like it just 219 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:38.440 kind of I was like, I don't know, like I'm 220 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.440 intrigued by the premise, but it's also makes me feel 221 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:45.480 a little ichy. But it was on HBO Max, and 222 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:46.679 so I was like, well, I can at least give 223 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:48.519 it a shot now here from the comfort of my 224 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:53.759 living room. And I really enjoyed this. I think what's 225 00:11:54.360 --> 00:12:01.320 interesting about it is this movie isn't a bouncy romp, 226 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.360 you know. I think the trailer might have done that 227 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:08.039 to try to make it seem inviting, you know, but 228 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.240 this this movie kind of lives in the gray area 229 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.240 about like you kind of understand why he feels scorned 230 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:16.960 by this family and have these bitter feelings, but it 231 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.240 doesn't celebrate what he's doing. Like this movie isn't a 232 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.919 pop song, you know what I mean. And I really 233 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.840 appreciated that. And so then I looked up, like, oh, 234 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.159 who made this? And it was John Patton Ford who 235 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:32.120 did Emily the Criminal with Aubrey Plaza. Yeah, Yeah, which 236 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.879 I really liked and is a similar sort of movie 237 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.200 where it's a person who's a bit of an underdog. 238 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.440 Life has not been fair to her and she gets 239 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.080 involved in credit card scams, which is funny because in 240 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.039 real life, if I met someone who did credit card 241 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.360 scams and scanned old people, I'd probably punch them in 242 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.039 the face, you know, like you don't these these are 243 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.759 the true scumbags of our time, right, But they also 244 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.759 make this character an interesting person. So you don't like 245 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.159 what they're doing, but you're intrigued by why they're doing 246 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:01.720 it and how they're doing it. And I'd say this 247 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.360 movie does something kind of the same and I like that. 248 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.559 I like that it doesn't make you feel comfortable all 249 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.039 the time, but it does make you think, well, what's 250 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.279 gonna happen next, What's gonna happen next? And it turns 251 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.720 out to be a pretty entertaining yarn So and Glenn Powell. 252 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.360 When it started, it's just inevitable. I thought, Glenn Powell, 253 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:23.919 is he a movie star? 254 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:24.559 Like? 255 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:26.840 Do I like this guy? And it's funny because I 256 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:29.440 did go in like, okay, interesting, he doesn't like have 257 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.480 me immediately like some stars do. And by the end 258 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.039 of it, I was like, I really like Glenn Powell. 259 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:36.480 He gets me every time. 260 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:40.000 I feel like you have this discussion with yourself about 261 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:41.120 every eight months. 262 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:45.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great. He's perfect in this role too. 263 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:50.559 In particular, he's locked in as the day trading dude 264 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.799 bro from the Dark Knight rises and then you have 265 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.240 to remember, oh wait, he's capable of other things beyond 266 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:56.840 just that. 267 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:59.399 Maybe a little bit, you know what he has resting 268 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:04.840 dude bro from Dark Knight Rise's face. I respect that, right, 269 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.799 but he is charming and he is a good actor, 270 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.840 and I he had a lot working against him in 271 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:14.159 this movie because you should really not like this person, 272 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.840 but you you're willing to go on this journey with 273 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.679 him and see what happens next. So it's dark, you know, 274 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.759 I'll mention that, but it's it's a good yarn and 275 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:27.320 I think people will enjoy it as like a a 276 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.440 thing they haven't seen that's streaming on HBO Max. 277 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:36.240 So all right, uh well this this has been kind 278 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:37.799 of a kind of a slow week for me. You know, 279 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:42.080 I got in the Odyssey. Yeah, yeah, which will be 280 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.279 which will be unpacking just a little bit better than that. 281 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:46.919 You know, I'm just me. I'm enjoyed the summer. You know, 282 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.480 the kids are home, they're home from school, they're out 283 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.480 and about, so you know, I'm spending my day hiding 284 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.519 out away from them, just trying to trying to get 285 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:57.720 away as much as I can. 286 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:58.600 Yeah. 287 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:02.840 My youngest got a hold of a sharpie yesterday, so 288 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:04.759 that's that's fun. 289 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:08.080 Yeah, well, does he have a future. I mean, is 290 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.559 he gonna put himself through college with his art? 291 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:16.279 At this point He's gonna have to because the math 292 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:16.840 ain't math. 293 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:18.879 And I'm not sure he found his voice yet, but 294 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:19.840 you know, we'll give him time. 295 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.039 Fingers crossed. You never know. You know, you know my 296 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.960 daughter and you know this. She's she does these these 297 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.000 very elaborate arts and crafts things. Oh yeah, she's nine, 298 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.840 and she just I mean she she watches like YouTube 299 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.080 videos about how to make things, and you know she 300 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.320 and and you saw this recently. She she makes, for example, 301 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.639 these little uh you know, like fit in your hand 302 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.440 replicas of backpacks. 303 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.679 Yeah. When we were up there, Sean and I are visiting you, 304 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.440 she was like, we were gonna make these together, okay, 305 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:59.320 And so she took us into another room. She had scissors, 306 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:02.799 a glue gun, all the materials, and I was a 307 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:04.919 little like, okay, let's see what this is. And then 308 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.759 she makes this amazing little backpack you would buy in 309 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.639 the store that you could put your keys in or 310 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.639 you know, change or money or whatever. And I was, yeah, 311 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:14.240 it was amazing. 312 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.120 Yeah, she had you guys sitting there doing them. She 313 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.399 was walking back and forth, she had a switch. She 314 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.200 was if you were working too slowly, you know. Yes, 315 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.600 so she's she's got that figured out. 316 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:26.519 She's tough but fair. 317 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:31.320 She's she's got a sweat shop monitoring job in her future. 318 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:39.759 Were very hopeful anyway, So yeah, you know, maybe maybe 319 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:41.480 she can teach the baby some of that. 320 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.559 Yeah, there you go. Yes, well, I guess it runs 321 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:45.080 in the family. 322 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:46.720 Uh. 323 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.039 You know what, these kids, they got to be. They 324 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:55.279 gotta be self starters at this point, right, you know, Uh, 325 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.240 I should say the baby, it's fun, you know, he 326 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.519 he's he started recognizing super heroes. 327 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.279 Oh, okay, I remember this, right down to your first son, 328 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:08.240 where he could go through you had the Marvel superhero 329 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.279 like trading cards. Yeah, in a binder, and I remember 330 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.480 you would flip the pages and point at a character. 331 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:18.880 And he was so young and he'd go Hulk, Captain America. Yeah, 332 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.920 so so all the way down to your your your last. 333 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.119 Well he would he would if I if I said, 334 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.960 where's Hulk, he would point to him like he he 335 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:29.599 He didn't talk as much my first one. 336 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:31.119 Oh that's right, that's right. 337 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.519 My youngest. Meanwhile, you know, like we got him Spider Man, 338 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:38.640 pajamas and he points he goes Superman and I'm like, no, 339 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:43.480 God damn it. And then he I I you know, 340 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:46.240 he found like a Superman plush he goes, he Man. 341 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:52.359 I'm like, son of a bitch. So it's a little 342 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.559 frustrating this kid. I don't know. I don't know. 343 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.519 Well, at least he's showing uh an interest. 344 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:01.000 Listen either do writer, don't do it at all. 345 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:02.640 That's what I'm saying, you know, that's for Actually I 346 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:07.000 think your daughter would agree. Yeah, seriously, where's that switch? 347 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.839 I was like dancing around it. I was like, do 348 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:12.119 I make a joke about a switch? 349 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:12.319 Like? 350 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:14.599 I wasn't sure. 351 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.839 I think. Look, she's tough. But she told you guys, 352 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.119 she she said, go cut me a switch. And you're like, 353 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:30.039 it's like handing you a shovel, and yeah, but I 354 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.039 don't I don't know how she does all that. I mean, 355 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:34.039 they're quite quite good, quite. 356 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.359 Well done, you know, so talented. 357 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.640 Yeah the little backpacks. 358 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.160 Yeah, oh yeah, I have it right here next to 359 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:40.559 the desk. 360 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.720 You better. Yeah, you don't want her asking And and 361 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.839 then you're like, oh I misplaced it, you know, Yeah, 362 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.640 that's not gonna go. Well, hey, Anyway, we got some 363 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:59.000 listener letters, Brian, you have for me? 364 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.720 Hey, teen thousand lasts all addressed. 365 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:08.200 You? 366 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.880 All right, Well, hey, you know our last I don't 367 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:15.920 even know it was. It was when we talked about Supergirl. 368 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:17.119 Is that our last regular show? 369 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.440 Yes, which I think is going to be streaming next week? 370 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:21.920 Which is is it? 371 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:24.720 Really? Because I know Masters Universe that's going to be 372 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:27.359 on the twenty first, So that's next week as we're 373 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:27.799 recording this. 374 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:29.119 Oh, I'm sorry, July twenty eighth. 375 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:34.200 Okay, well that's nuts that. Yeah, well we'll talk about 376 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.200 that in a second. But here's a note we got 377 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.559 from Rob Kelly in response to that episode, and he says, 378 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.240 great show, guys. I had you in my ears while jogging, 379 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:45.160 which always makes the time go by faster, essential when 380 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.519 jogging during a blazing Florida summer. The good news is 381 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.359 it's a blazing summer pretty much wherever we go in 382 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.640 the country right now. This is when Zachie mentioned having 383 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:58.319 seen Masters of Universe four times already. I almost gasped. 384 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:01.440 With a full time job a podcast and at last count, 385 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:09.559 approximately seventeen children accurate, I thought, how the hell does 386 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:11.319 he have time to see any movie in the theater 387 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.079 four times, which made me want to ask, was there 388 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.480 a movie you saw in the theater multiple times and 389 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.480 after time passed you look back and went, Wow, I 390 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:23.119 don't even like that movie anymore. I'm not saying that's 391 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.319 what's going to happen at Masters of the Universe. You 392 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.000 goddamn right it won't. But for me, I saw The 393 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:30.200 Phantom Menace in the summer of ninety nine a total 394 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.720 of nine times in the theater, nine times, nine and 395 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:38.359 ninety nine. Having completely convinced myself what I saw was good, 396 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.440 time has proven otherwise for me. I'm glad, he said. 397 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:44.640 I'm glad, he said for me, because you know people 398 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:50.000 are going to be like jumping through the speaker related 399 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:53.200 while on my jog I imagine a scenario where Zachi 400 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.759 cloned himself multiplicity style using a three D printer. He 401 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.400 props that version up on the sofa so you can 402 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.880 still be Dad while also seeing Masters of the Universe 403 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.640 for the fifth time. This fake Zachi comes with several 404 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:11.759 pre recorded phrases to further the illusion. It's no Magnificent Amber. 405 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.960 Since I just sent some more comics to be bound, 406 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:19.880 you've got a great movie. Waiting for you. Hey, let's 407 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:21.160 watch Planet of the Apes again. 408 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.200 Your wife would not even know the difference like you 409 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.200 guys would. Beginning you should be getting into bed like 410 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.039 a night Zachie, like, let's watch Planet of the Apes again. 411 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:32.599 That's right, I love you too. Turn out the light. 412 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.839 Rob ends with I may have heat stroke. I just 413 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:44.119 last part first. Uh. Rob is one of many people 414 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.599 who has said that you've got a great movie waiting 415 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.440 for you is like one of my catchphrases, which I 416 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:55.359 gotta say, as catchphrases go, I am happy to take 417 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:59.680 that on. Yeah right, yeah, totally, like if that's something 418 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.880 people associate with me saying, you know, I think that's good. 419 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:05.039 I think that's nice. 420 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:11.359 I think that encapsulates well the spirit of this show, 421 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.240 you know. I mean sometimes online you'll see younger people 422 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:17.599 being like, hey, I just saw this great movie it's 423 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:20.960 called The Godfather, and people will jump on them, you know, 424 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.880 and it's like, why make someone feel bad about discovering 425 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:28.519 something great, you know? Or if I guess more related 426 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.200 to this, if they haven't seen The Godfather or they 427 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:34.519 haven't seen something that's a classic, instead of jumping on them, 428 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.519 you haven't seen that? What just go, hey, you got 429 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.640 a great movie waiting for you. You should check that out, 430 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.039 you know, encourage them exactly. Yeah, come on, come on, people, 431 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.519 let's be better. Come on. 432 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:50.599 Well, and you know, I you know, speaking of The Godfather, 433 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:53.039 you know, I screened that in my classes every semester, 434 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:54.720 and I always say, you know, because I'm always like, 435 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.240 who's seen it? And you know, maybe a one or 436 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:57.759 two have seen it, And I'm always like, well, you know, 437 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.680 I'm glad I get to be part of this experience 438 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:02.839 for you the first time you watch. 439 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:04.880 The Godfather exactly. Yeah. 440 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:07.039 I think the trick is like you don't want to 441 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.240 overhype something. Sure, so that's why you're never like, oh, 442 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.119 this is considered one of the grace movies ever made. 443 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.200 Play you know, you're right, right, right, you know, I 444 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.079 feel like that's what messes up, like like Citizen Kane. Right, 445 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.440 people always lead with that, right, And I think that's 446 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.559 a mistake because I think Citizen Kane, you just you 447 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:27.279 just be like, you know, it's a it's a story 448 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:31.359 about it's a tragedy about a man who has everything 449 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.359 and and it just hollows him out inside. 450 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.359 Well, you know, you say something like that and you 451 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.359 might even be like, you know, it's an older film, 452 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.599 but you may be surprised how much you you find 453 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:44.400 yourself invested in it. Exactly right, because because when you 454 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.240 start with, oh, you know, most surveys will say it's 455 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:48.599 one of the greatest movies of all time. 456 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:50.799 Well, when you when you tell that to like a 457 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.640 fifteen year old, you're asking them to hate it, right, 458 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.519 because they're like, I don't I don't want to follow 459 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:03.599 your your structures. I'd my own thing, you know anyway. 460 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.200 So that's why I didn't realize that that's like a 461 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:07.440 thing that I say enough for. 462 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:08.160 It to be a catchphrase. 463 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:09.880 But like I said, on the other hand, hey let's 464 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.160 watch Planet of the Apes again. Well, ask my kids. 465 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:15.000 And that is indeed something that I will say quite often. 466 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:21.759 Right as far as movies watched multiple times, well, and 467 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:23.920 actually before we even get to that, Masters the Universe, 468 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.599 I did see four times in the theater that it 469 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:28.960 it did work out. I did not regret any of that. 470 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:30.799 I enjoyed it each time. But it just sort of 471 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.440 worked out where like I went to the press screening 472 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:35.680 and then you know, my brother wanted to see it, 473 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.359 and then my wife separately wanted to see it, and 474 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:40.039 she's like, well, I'd rather watch it with you, and 475 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.680 I was like okay, and then you and Sean were like, 476 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:43.519 let's go see. 477 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:45.720 It, and we made it work by going at ten 478 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:46.440 thirty at night. 479 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:47.680 That is true. 480 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:49.119 So we were there the whole day. I think your 481 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.119 kids eventually went to bed and then that's how we got. 482 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:54.680 Out, and we're like, hey man time yea. I know, 483 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.359 so that is rare. I don't. I don't often do that, 484 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.119 although although I think, my gosh, I'm I probably watched 485 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:04.440 I think Avengers End Game. I saw that four times. 486 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.880 But that is it is rare, especially these days. It 487 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.359 is rarer. And I will definitely not watch a movie 488 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:16.960 multiple times if I'm not if I'm not you know, 489 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:21.880 feeling it right. But but I will say, speaking a 490 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:23.839 Planet of the Apes two thousand and one, I watched 491 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:28.480 the Timberton Planet of the Apes I'm going to say 492 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:33.559 at least three times, probably four times, trying to convince 493 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.359 myself each time that it wasn't in fact, not very good. 494 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.720 Yeah. Yeah, well, going back to Phantom Menace, I remember 495 00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:45.839 we were all trying to convince ourselves that it was 496 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:47.759 better than it was back then, and I think we've 497 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.000 come around on it in a certain from a certain 498 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:53.359 point of from a certain point of view, Yeah, in 499 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.480 some ways. But yeah, I remember seeing it multiple times 500 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.640 and sort of quieting voices in my head. 501 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.200 So I think I'm gonna say I saw Phantom Menace 502 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.440 twice the whole way through in the theater, and then 503 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.759 I know I would just like sneak in and watch 504 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:16.640 the lightsaber fight. I did that at least a couple 505 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:21.359 of times. But for me that was different because I 506 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.039 watched Phantom Menace. I was more clear eyed. Because I 507 00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:25.759 watched it, I was like, this isn't really working for me. 508 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.000 And then I watched it again to be like just 509 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.200 sort of test my hypothesis about the first one. I 510 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:37.160 was like, no, that's that's true. Yeah, but that was 511 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.119 me nine and ninety nine though. I respect that Rob's 512 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.359 that's impressive. Yeah, very What about you, Brian, What's what's 513 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.680 a movie you saw multiple times that you did not 514 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:52.680 like that you realize later you didn't like Man as much. 515 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:55.799 I'm not sure, if I'm being honest off the top 516 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:57.279 of my head, like something that I was trying to 517 00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.960 force myself to like, I'm not sure. 518 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.160 I the movie or even something that you look back 519 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.519 on you're like, like, maybe you liked it then, but 520 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.599 you look at it now you're like, I don't know. 521 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.400 Yeah, I'm still not quite sure, but I am relating 522 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:19.240 to your story about seeing something multiple times with different people. Yeah, 523 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:19.960 and yeah. 524 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:21.079 You do that a lot. 525 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:21.559 Yeah. 526 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.720 Well, the one that I remember most was I saw 527 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.160 Children of Men four times. Wow, probably in less than 528 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:31.799 two weeks. And that's that's a lot. Yeah. But it 529 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:33.680 was funny because I didn't want to tell anyone because 530 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.759 I knew if I said that I had seen it, 531 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.480 they would be like, oh no, no, no, then we're not 532 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.599 going to do it. I was like, no, no, no, I 533 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:40.559 want you guys to see it. 534 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.279 There is nothing more Brian than what you just said. 535 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.680 Well, I told the final person, Okay, I was like, 536 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:51.279 this is the fourth time I've seen it, you know. 537 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:52.799 I had probably only been out for like two weeks. 538 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:54.559 And she was like what. She's like, why don't you 539 00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.240 say something? I'm like, well, because I wanted you to 540 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.079 see it, you know. And then I saw it with 541 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.640 my brother and I saw probably Chad that I you know, 542 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:05.759 and I do remember feeling like this movie's a lot 543 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.799 I mean, it is a great movie, fantastic movie, but 544 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.279 our times in two weeks, good lord. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, 545 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.279 I'll do that occasionally because that's the thing though, is 546 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.519 I do want to experience these things with people, right, 547 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:26.119 Like Disclosure day, you know, I wanted I saw it 548 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.480 and we had our feelings, and then I had a 549 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.000 friend that wanted to see it, and I want to 550 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.039 be there with this person while it's happening and then 551 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.519 have the discussion afterwards. And I always want to see 552 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:39.680 stuff with my brother and get his opinion. Actually, the Odyssey, right, 553 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.079 I'm seeing it again this coming Saturday at seven thirty 554 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.359 am because that's the only time my brother can see it. 555 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.279 But I'm like more than happy to do it because 556 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.319 it means something to me to be there while he's 557 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:54.000 watching it and then have that discussion when he's walking out. 558 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.960 So I'm not able to do that as much these days, 559 00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.279 but that is something that I'm still willing to do, 560 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.839 and like it's not a chore, like I actually enjoy it. 561 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:08.000 But four times is a bit much. But yeah, but yeah, yeah, 562 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:09.400 that's I'm okay with that. 563 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.880 See, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, there is 564 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:16.559 no seven thirty am on a weekend, So yeah, I 565 00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:17.880 have nothing but respect. 566 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.440 Well you know what part of that is. I mean, 567 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.079 I'm sure we would have been happier at like nine 568 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:24.440 thirty maybe, but we If you're gonna see this, well, 569 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.880 if you're able, it'd be nice to see this movie 570 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.599 in true imax. And so imax is a hot commodity 571 00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:34.039 for this particular film. It was shot entirely in the 572 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.359 IMAX format. And all the other times and there are 573 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.880 many of them, they're all sold out. So seven thirty am, 574 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.400 which is still about half sold out. Wow, that's the 575 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.400 only time we could get seats. So hey, it's all good. 576 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:49.160 I respect it. 577 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:49.960 I respect it. 578 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.599 Well well okay, well thank you for sharing that. So 579 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.319 you know, the the real moral of the story is 580 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.000 Brian is a good friend to have. He'll go see that. 581 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:02.759 You know, it doesn't matter if you've seen it already. 582 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:04.240 He wants to experience it with you. 583 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:05.440 I do. 584 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:12.720 I just that's that's impressive. Well, thank you for that, Rob, 585 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.799 and I will be watching Masters of the Universe again, 586 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.119 not on the big screen, but in digital very shortly, 587 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:19.319 so looking forward to that. 588 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.720 Yeah, I'm glad, you know, by the way, just because 589 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.799 I know how much Masters of the Universe means to 590 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:27.359 you and has meant to you through your life. That 591 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.079 makes me very happy that that is the reaction you 592 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:29.880 had to that movie. 593 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.160 You know, I really like it's It's so funny because 594 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.079 I see so many people online are like, man, it 595 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:39.279 sucks that it flopped, and I'm like, well again, you know, 596 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.279 just based on our conversations here, I had no illusions 597 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.559 about it not flopping, So it was really I just 598 00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:52.839 wanted to be good. You know, We've had one Master's 599 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.640 Universe live action movie for forty years, and I've lived 600 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:01.599 a perfectly contented life, soditional one. That's totally fine. 601 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.640 You know, you really put it into perspective for me, 602 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.359 because yeah, I'm I'm bummed that there's a little stink 603 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.279 on it and bummed that maybe it won't get the 604 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.920 sequel that I would hope it would get. But then 605 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.759 you are like, well, it's like The Rocketeer, and I 606 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.319 was like, oh, and I adore The Rocketeer. I don't 607 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.319 think of the Rocketeer of having any stink on it. 608 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.200 I think it's a wonderful movie from my childhood that 609 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.599 I still love. And so and it was a flop 610 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.559 when it came out, and so, yeah, you're right. I 611 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.400 think this movie will probably become like The Rocketeer. 612 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.640 I suspect, you know, and there's a long tradition of this. 613 00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:39.079 I mean Flash Gordon from nineteen eighty and you know, 614 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.559 even Dick Tracy, which is considered an underperformer. All of 615 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.039 these movies have you know, have a legacy, and this 616 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:46.960 is this is going to be part of that pot. 617 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:47.759 Yeah, I think. 618 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:51.039 So here's a movie that is not going to be 619 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.839 part of that pot. And this is an email we 620 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:58.480 got in response to our commentary track for Independence Day Resurgence. 621 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.359 She dropped just a few weeks ago. This is from 622 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.799 Adamo who says, just to be clear, I'm not saying 623 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.559 that people can't grow and change over time, but does 624 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.000 this count as growth or just a lack of resolve 625 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.920 to stand firm in your core fundamental beliefs. And then 626 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.880 he included an audio file do we want to I 627 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:18.480 want to play that. 628 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:19.039 Let's do. 629 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:22.400 Now now? 630 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.480 In order to head off the questions in advance, we 631 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.880 will not be doing Independence Day Resurgence. 632 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:30.799 Do not ask. 633 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.920 That is that is not that movie does not exist 634 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:39.160 in this no Jo Once was enough. 635 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.480 Okay, So so that was in our Independence Day commentary track. 636 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.359 I believe, yes, Okay. 637 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:51.160 So first of all, I should say this is proof 638 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.759 that I do not listen to our show, right like 639 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.480 I I we speak, we do this, and then it 640 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.759 just goes into the into the pile, and that's it. 641 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.079 I this is proof positive because I have I believe 642 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.720 I said that unless Adam has some elaborate, deep fake 643 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.200 AI program. 644 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.359 Right right, Actually, it'd be funny if it ended with 645 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.799 you also be like, also, I'm a big stupid head. 646 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:16.920 This is Zachi. 647 00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:19.880 I have no memory of having said that. 648 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.680 I never think about the fact that the thing that's 649 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.279 coming out of my mouth could become exhibit A. 650 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:35.240 It's true. But yeah, so I again I proof I 651 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.599 don't listen to the show. But Adam says, I'm not mad, 652 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:43.039 Zachi just disappointed. For the record, only you guys could 653 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.880 make me listen to a commentary for Independence Day Resurgence. 654 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.079 And while the commentaries for Jaws and the Og Independence 655 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.480 Day have become part of my Fourth of July routine 656 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.799 for the past few years, A warm hug while I 657 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.640 putter around, grilled doze in my hammock, et cetera. I 658 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.119 don't think I'll be adding this one to that tradition 659 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:01.640 as always, thanks again for a fun show. 660 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.880 Well, that means a lot to me that he still 661 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.000 enjoys listening to Jaws and the first Independence Day. 662 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:11.599 That's amazing and fair. 663 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:12.400 Fair. 664 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.599 I think what it came down to is when you 665 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.519 and I were, you know, we just bad ideas back 666 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.519 and forth about something fun to drop over the holiday, 667 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.199 and I mentioned I was like, well, Independence Day too 668 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.079 is ten years old. You know that could be fun 669 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.960 to talk through. And I think we had a fun discussion, 670 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:36.400 is my sense. You know. 671 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:42.159 I think we have come to realize that even less 672 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.599 successful movies can be fun to workshop together, you know, 673 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.920 because it's connected to something we do love. So it's 674 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.239 a return to that world, which is always interesting at least, 675 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.519 And then if it doesn't work, it's kind of fun 676 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.280 to go through and see, well this does work, why 677 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.639 doesn't this ultimately feel this way by the end? Then 678 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.920 and then you and I end up workshopping things and 679 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.880 riffing and kind of having fun with it, and those 680 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.000 end up being some of my favorite commentaries. 681 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.320 I yeah, I do, I feel like and you know, 682 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.719 feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I feel 683 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.480 like that's kind of like we found a lane when 684 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.679 it comes to you know, quote unquote bad movies that 685 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.599 differentiates us from how did this get made? Or or 686 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.800 we hate movies or you know, and those guys do 687 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:27.880 what they do very well. 688 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.239 Love the Yeah, I love those guys, but that. 689 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.039 Our approach is more, Yeah, we're kind of we're doing 690 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:35.320 an autopsy a little bit. 691 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:38.400 You know. 692 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.000 In the case of Independence Day Resurgence, obviously there was 693 00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:45.000 a lot to there was a lot of necrotic tissue 694 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:51.320 to work with. I mean it, truly. That was the 695 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:52.920 first time in ten years I had seen it. 696 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.599 Yeah, same, and you know it it was. 697 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.320 Yeah, it's quite It's quite a thing, that movie. 698 00:35:59.440 --> 00:35:59.920 Yeah it is. 699 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.280 So Hopefully hopefully people found the experience of listening to 700 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.039 us talk through it interesting even if they haven't seen 701 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:07.400 the movie. 702 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:09.480 Yep, I agreed, all right. 703 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.199 Last note here we got from Hey Sean Coyle. Hey 704 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.159 like this guy, he says, ohla movie film chumps popping 705 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.320 in today for a few reasons. Firstly, I was listening 706 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.039 to a recent episode where listener and Mega Masters of 707 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.679 the Universe fan shared his experience watching the film and 708 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.760 how it related to his love for he Man, which 709 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.679 was shared by his now late father, and that's our 710 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:34.239 friend Mike Snyder. By the way. By the end of 711 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.760 the story, I found myself in tears remembering all the 712 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.039 things I shared with my father now past. Whenever I 713 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.519 rewatch an episode of Cheers or have burgers going on 714 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.440 the grill while the sounds of a baseball game are 715 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.000 broadcast in the background, it's like he's right there with me. 716 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.199 That Masters of the Universe story was absolutely wonderful. Speaking 717 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.000 of which, Brian, when are you going to start your 718 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.320 cheers binge? So we can discuss this year? This year, 719 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:03.960 this year we'll see clock a stick and Brian, I 720 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.800 know secondarily I'm right there with you, fellows regarding our 721 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:11.440 feelings on Toy Story five. But there was one thing 722 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.440 I wanted to add. Is it me or does Bonnie 723 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.599 have terrible parents? Hmm? Okay, maybe not terrible, as they 724 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.400 clearly show an awareness for her sadness, But the entire 725 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.800 movie hinges on the idea that Bonnie's parents have set 726 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.559 absolutely zero boundaries when it comes to screen time. It 727 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.639 was the only problem that kept nagging at me during 728 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.960 the movie. But Disney has shown over the course of 729 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.239 forever that parents are only necessary to a story if 730 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.360 one of them dies so that their child can become 731 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:40.599 Queen of the Sea or some shit. 732 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.599 I give you a queen of the sea. 733 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.760 What would have helped is that as Bonnie and Blaze 734 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.320 go off to play in the front yard and other 735 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.079 kids start to gather, that we see the parents, noticing this, 736 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.159 set their own phones down and go out to the 737 00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.760 kids play from the front porch, or even connect with 738 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.239 other now unplugged neighbors over the picket fence. 739 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.559 That would have been a nice because I thought the 740 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.159 movie did a good job of showing that the parents 741 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.000 are also susceptible to this, especially Blaze's dad, And it's 742 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.559 not like he's doing anything wrong necessarily. It looks like 743 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.960 he's working occasionally, but he is almost always seen in 744 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.960 front of a screen because either a that's how life is, 745 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.320 yeah in some ways. And also I think he was 746 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.079 chatting with friends at one point, so it was showing 747 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.760 that it's not just a problem for like kids, which 748 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.400 I kind of respected. But along those lines, I think 749 00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.280 that that's a pretty good note, Like it would be 750 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.480 kind of nice, especially if you have a strange kid 751 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.440 playing with your kid in the front yard for the 752 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.320 first time, Like maybe you'd sit on the porch and 753 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:42.320 just kind of a. 754 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:43.800 New kid, not a strange kid. 755 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.840 Well, you know what I'm saying, A stranger. 756 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:49.280 I love if a weird kid is playing with your. 757 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.760 Yea, some psycho comes over to your house now, But 758 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.639 you know what I'm saying, Like I could see I 759 00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.559 could see that where it's like, oh, then put the 760 00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.840 phone down and the parents kind of sit and cuddle 761 00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:02.039 up a little bit on a patio swing and kind 762 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.119 of watch happily as the kids play. 763 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.840 I don't know, see, I would have liked mom and 764 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.559 dad to They look at Blaze and Bonnie, then they 765 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.000 look at each other. Then they get a hammer and 766 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:17.119 they like break their phones, and then they go into 767 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.320 Bonnie's room and they get lily Pad, and lily Pad 768 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:21.719 is like no, no, we cant and we just we 769 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.440 we end on the other toys look of horror, as 770 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.719 like the hammer is coming down on lily. 771 00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.079 Yeah, yeah, stop stop, it's already dead. 772 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.960 Yeah that would have been my ending. Yeah, That's why 773 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.239 I'm not in charge of Pixar though. Uh Sean continues third, 774 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.559 regarding Supergirl and the frequent use of t Bou Guardians 775 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.039 or Timu gun In reviews and discussions yours included, it 776 00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.480 feels like James Gunn and DC are all in on 777 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.280 a vibe that audiences have already grown tired of. Now, 778 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.159 with Clayface being the next offering, you could make the 779 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.400 argument that it feels like James Gunn is making these 780 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.639 movies for himself and his fans and not properly servicing 781 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.599 the source material and the greater DC universe. No one 782 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.239 should ever expect to repeat the long play model of 783 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.760 the MCU that culminated so masterfully in Avengers Endgame. But 784 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.039 James Gunn Superman, which I very much enjoyed, in spite 785 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.440 of some of the unsavory or two off kilter gun isms, 786 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.639 moments and characters, did a wonderful job of showcasing that 787 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.079 this world was filled with vibrant, interesting characters and that 788 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.119 dealing with alien blob attacks was just an everyday thing. 789 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:26.840 I couldn't wait to see what this universe's version of 790 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.360 Flash and Mister Miracle and Aquaman and Green Arrow and 791 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.800 Black Canary and Booster Gold and a Wonder Woman and 792 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:36.280 Batman would look like, But instead we get Clayface. What 793 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.119 are your thoughts on this current direction and after the 794 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.559 lackluster box office from Supergirl, do you foresee any drastic 795 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.440 or reactionary pivots in their master plan? Keep on movie 796 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.000 filming here, Old pal Shan, And what I will say is, 797 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:55.000 thank you Sean for those questions. Luckily for you and 798 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.639 everyone else, we actually did have this discussion, right, Brian. 799 00:40:57.920 --> 00:40:59.159 We did? Yes? Wow? 800 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.679 Was this on a bonus Ofis this was a bonus episode? 801 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:01.760 Oh? 802 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:01.960 Wow? 803 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:03.199 I get them confused sometimes. 804 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:03.599 Yeah. 805 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.199 Yeah, yeah, we talked about this very thing. 806 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.880 Yeah, we held court for almost an hour. So hey, 807 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.079 if you want to hear that conversation, jump over to 808 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:13.199 the Patreon page. 809 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:18.639 Yeah. Yeah, I do think it's interesting. I mean, just 810 00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.000 to touch on it briefly here to. 811 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.400 Well, we should say real quick, as of this recording, 812 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:30.079 Supergirl is the lowest grossing DC movie in like twenty years. 813 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.119 Yeah. Well, I mean, then to kind of build on 814 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.679 the conversation we had because we have new information. We've 815 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.239 just learned that Matt Reeves The Batman Part two has 816 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.280 been pushed again and that will be coming out now 817 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:50.480 in February of twenty twenty eight. So with all of 818 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.639 this in mind, it makes me think Yeah, with the 819 00:41:54.679 --> 00:42:00.519 second movie out of guns DC Universe performing disaster slee. 820 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.679 Yeah, like no sugarcoating whatsoever. 821 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.679 Yeah, it feels like they really need to sort of 822 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:12.239 establish the known beloved pillars of DC for us, to 823 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.719 like to ground us and make us feel confident that 824 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.519 we're going to be in this univers verse for the 825 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.559 next couple of years. And so I think that means Batman. 826 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:26.280 I think that means Flash Wonder Woman. And with Reeves 827 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.199 movie now not coming out till twenty twenty eight, does 828 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.000 that mean we're not going to get a gun Batman 829 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:35.000 till twenty nine later? Like that doesn't feel great. 830 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.000 But have they ever said that, like they're gonna wait 831 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.559 till Reeves finishes telling his story before they do the 832 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:42.079 DCU Batman that I never know? 833 00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.039 No, Actually the opposite. I think he was saying that 834 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.639 they were going to do like a brave and bold 835 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:47.440 kind of thing, right. 836 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:50.679 Yeah, and they're not like waiting for for for Reeves 837 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:52.000 to finish Grown Roses. 838 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:56.840 So yeah, I'm true, true, but it just well, I 839 00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:58.679 don't know. I guess I don't even know what to 840 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.199 say about that because we we don't know what their 841 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.719 plan is, but they might want to let us in 842 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.400 on it, you know, like Marvel does occasionally. You know, 843 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.920 they'll show what a phase is going to look like 844 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.920 and the people we can expect coming up, so we 845 00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:13.840 can go, oh great, Well, at least I can look 846 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.840 forward to that. But to Seawn's point, for people that 847 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.960 are feeling a little nervous about DC at the moment, 848 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.000 you know, clay Face being next on the calendar isn't 849 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.079 like a oh few, okay, we're good. Yeah's you know, 850 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.440 for the majority of people, right. 851 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.880 It's an odd choice. I mean, I've said for a 852 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.119 little while that I think, at least as it pertains 853 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.039 to Supergirl, if you're going to do a Supergirl movie, 854 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.920 you should have done it after Man of Tomorrow, right, 855 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.360 because Man of the idea here is like Supergirl sets 856 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.559 up her status quo leading into Man of Tomorrow, and 857 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.800 I think that's just a mistake because there wasn't enough 858 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.599 rooting interest from her based on her cameo at the 859 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.440 end of Superman. So put her in manat Tomorrow. She 860 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.960 gets a decent role, I presume, and then and then 861 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.239 you set up, you know, whatever you're gonna do in 862 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.679 the Woman Tomorrow adaptation. Just ill conceived. I mean it sucks. 863 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:13.239 I mean that's the bottom line, right, I I wish 864 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.159 the movie had done better, but I also wish the 865 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.360 movie was better. Yeah, Sam, Right, and I you know, 866 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.719 like that's really it because people didn't show up and 867 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.960 then it just dropped like a stone. So it's you know, 868 00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.360 uh well, I mean there's a conversation we're gonna have 869 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.280 it just a little bit about just the broader box 870 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.000 office trends this this summer, you know. Uh but thank 871 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.760 you for that, Sean, And like I said, uh, more 872 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.880 of that on the bonus feed, so so definitely check 873 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.199 that out. Hey we got a new trailer. 874 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:48.440 Bright coming soon to theaters. 875 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.480 So hey, I don't know if you know. This year 876 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:59.159 is the fiftieth anniversary of Rocky Wow five zero crazy right, Yeah, 877 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.360 it's it's nuts to I mean we're hitting that point 878 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:05.599 now where so many of the like our stuff is 879 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.719 nudging up to and blowing past fifty years. Next year's 880 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:16.199 Star Wars obviously wow strange, Like, I mean, you know, 881 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.119 we're hit once we're into the stuff from the eighties 882 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:20.280 being fifty plus. 883 00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:22.239 Yeah, then it's gonna feel really weird. 884 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.880 Yeah, I'm gonna have like a decade long existential crisis. Right, 885 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:31.480 you know, but in order to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary 886 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:38.119 of Rocky, we have coming up on MGM V MGM 887 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.760 on this in theaters, right I think so? Yeah, okay 888 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.000 from Amazon MGYM, so it'll be on prime video at 889 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.840 some point. It's the making of Rocky called I Play Rocky, 890 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:52.760 direct by Peter Fairley. Yeah. 891 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:54.840 I just saw that on named I did not know 892 00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:55.920 that he. 893 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.519 Of Green Book of all that. 894 00:45:58.599 --> 00:45:59.960 Yeah, yes, that's true. 895 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:06.000 That's his claim to him. And and there's something about Mary. 896 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.400 Yeah and dumb and dummer and this. 897 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:10.760 Witness the duality of man. 898 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.280 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Actually that's hilarious. And yeah, his sizzle 899 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.440 reel you could show Jeff Daniels having explosive diary on 900 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:22.360 a toilet and then to Beagle Mortensen solving racism. 901 00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.840 So this is a film that they just dropped the 902 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.519 trailer in the last forty eight hours as we're talking 903 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:38.400 about it. Anthony Ippolito plays a young Sylvester Stallone. We 904 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:39.880 want to play some of the audio from this, let's 905 00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:41.599 do it. Are you delusional? 906 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.119 You don't get the looks to be a movie star, 907 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.920 not to mention you talk like you got rocks in 908 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:48.440 your mouth. 909 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.639 Yeah, I know I don't look like Einstein, but I 910 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:53.320 got a brain. 911 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:55.320 The only way when we get to show people is 912 00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:56.760 we don't have to write a script for myself. 913 00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:57.880 Yes, so do that. 914 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:08.480 Ry slip and give yourself the best part. So I 915 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.719 have said for years, you know, because in my film classes, 916 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.320 I talk about the making of Rocky and I'm like, 917 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.960 the way Rocky got made, I mean, it's like a 918 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.800 movie itself. So yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I 919 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.199 had it was an original thought from me, but I'm 920 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:25.079 you know, the fact that they're making a movie about 921 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:31.760 the making of Rocky it feels very appropriate. I have 922 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.000 to say. I was skeptical. Yeah, and then I hit 923 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.199 play on the trailer and by the end of by 924 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:39.920 the end of the trailer, I was like, man, I 925 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.000 want to watch this movie same. 926 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.519 I mean, that's the thing. Movies like this can either 927 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:50.320 be really really hammy and on the nose, and I 928 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:52.199 feel bad. I don't know why I feel bad picking 929 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.840 on this movie, but that Jimmy Stewart movie, right. For 930 00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.000 some reason, I feel this weird sort of like thing 931 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.159 where I'm being mean when I. 932 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.480 Like well, because when one presumes it's being made with 933 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:04.880 its heart in the right place. 934 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.480 Yes, but it does have that sort of real on 935 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:12.199 the nose, almost like Hallmark movie, you know, sort of 936 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.039 thing to it where it just feels like, I don't know, 937 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.719 a little too saccharine and all that sorts of things 938 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.480 you just don't know with these, yeah, things that look 939 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.400 back nostalgically a stuff that we know we already love. 940 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.480 But yeah, when I watched this trailer, I was like, 941 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.039 holy cow, I'm pumped up. Yeah, like it really got me. 942 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:33.159 And it does look like a really fascinating underdog story 943 00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:36.199 much like Rocky, So I'm all in on this. 944 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.360 Well, it gives me vibes kind of I mean different, 945 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.039 but similar to the offer you know about the making 946 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:43.239 of The Godfather, which. 947 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.840 I thought was so good and just underseen that is 948 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.559 a really really fun series. 949 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:51.960 Well that honestly that should have been a movie. Yeah, 950 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:53.719 you know, I think I think a lot of this 951 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.800 stuff it becomes a streaming series and then it's just 952 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.559 forgotten about. Yeah, and we're talking about the Offer, we 953 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.800 should say Anthony Apolito, who plays Sylvester Stallone in this 954 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.880 new movie. He also played al Pacino in The Offer. 955 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:13.480 Oh, I can see it. I could see. It's so 956 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.280 funny because when you put him in the context of 957 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.119 Sylvester Stallone, it's like, whoa, that guy looks exactly like 958 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:23.639 Sylvester Stallone, but young al Pacino, Like this guy has 959 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:25.119 resting seventies guy face. 960 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.599 Yeah, right, seventies Italian American face. 961 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:29.760 Yes. Yeah. 962 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.800 He'll play Tony Danza in the Saxi Behind the Scenes biopic. 963 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeh. 964 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:43.320 Can we get Anthony Apolito think Samantha right, Angela get 965 00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.360 right in that one, Brian make an offer? 966 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.480 Yeah, And that did have kind of a fun, bouncy 967 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.719 almost like gets shorty ish sort of Hollywood, what a 968 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.559 wacky place. But you know, it's not a comedy, but 969 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.719 it some fun whereas this, I like that, This didn't 970 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:09.519 for me lean into the hokey, saccharine hammy winky sort 971 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:11.639 of thing like remember this wink? You know, like it 972 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.119 looks very sincere and well performed and well executed. 973 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.000 Yeah, I mean, well, we we've got I mean it's 974 00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.679 it's pretty pretty solid cast. Right. We got Matt Dillon 975 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:25.440 as Stallone's dad, Stephen James as Carl Weathers. 976 00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.559 He looks incredible. Yeah, yeah, it sounds incredible too. 977 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:35.639 Toby Kibble as Robert chartaf Uh. I think the story, 978 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:37.599 you know, this is one of those things, right, I 979 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.199 mean again, I've talked about this in my classes. I'm like, 980 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:44.199 stallone gets this idea and you know, inspired by you know, 981 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:48.320 the Chuck Webner fight, Mhammad Ali writes the script and 982 00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:52.119 and it's it's this is this is the historical record 983 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.119 that they love the script. And they're like, we want 984 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:56.599 to make it a star vehicle for for Ryan O'Neil 985 00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.320 or whoever. We'll give you this much money. No, we'll 986 00:50:59.320 --> 00:50:59.960 give you this much mone. 987 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:00.239 No. 988 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:01.920 They keep up in the ante and he's like no, 989 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:08.719 because he has the clarity at that moment in his life, 990 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:13.159 while he's living in a shoe box apartment with no prospects, 991 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.440 he has the clarity to say, if if this movie 992 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.039 gets made and in success and I'm not in it, 993 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.320 I will live with that regret for the rest of 994 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.320 my life. Right. And now you think about like, who 995 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.400 whoever has that that much clarity, you know what I mean? 996 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.480 Yeah, and believe in themselves? Right, I mean it's I 997 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.360 love stories like this, and I remember, even with the 998 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.920 Steve Jobs book and other sorts, of stories where you 999 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.559 know these decisions wind lead to massive success. Yeah, but 1000 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:44.599 you think of them in that moment and they don't 1001 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.199 know that and they still stick to their guns. It's 1002 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.360 just so inspiring, it really is. 1003 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.519 Yeah. So I mean, here we are, like we already 1004 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.280 know well St Leicester Stallone has had an extraordinary career 1005 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:02.079 still going yep, and so you know the fact that 1006 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.960 that he I mean think imagine being sliced alone at 1007 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.559 that moment. Be like, they're gonna make a movie about 1008 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:14.800 you holding out for more money, like right, you know 1009 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:15.280 what I mean? 1010 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.320 Yeah, yeah, in that hard moment. Yeah, like you said 1011 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.280 in his shoe box apartment where he could really use 1012 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:21.000 the money and he keeps saying no because he believes 1013 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.320 in himself. Not only is your movie gonna get made 1014 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.199 and win Oscars and you're gonna become one of the 1015 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.480 most known stars on the planet, They're gonna make a 1016 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.360 movie about this moment, this moment you standing your ground. 1017 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.840 Yeah, it's gonna be so iconic that all of this 1018 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.000 is gonna be like Shorthand for a making of movie. 1019 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.760 You know, amazing. So this Anthony Appolito, I mean, the 1020 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.039 resemblance is impressive. 1021 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.199 It's uncanny down to like the most subtle sorts of 1022 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.519 features on his face. 1023 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.159 Very much looks like him, the one. I don't even 1024 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.119 know if this is a qualm. This is just a 1025 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.039 reaction based on the trailer. It feels like he's doing 1026 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.400 Rocky more than he's doing Sylvester Stallone. 1027 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:06.320 I see that, Yeah, you know what I mean? 1028 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.639 Yeah, And maybe this is just because the trailer's just 1029 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:16.079 putting certain bits in there, right, But I mean the 1030 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.519 thought I had it's kind of a Jaafar Jackson situation, right, 1031 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.199 like is he going to be so identified with Sylvester 1032 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.199 Stallone that he won't be able to find other stuff? 1033 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:24.480 You know? 1034 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.639 That's the thing. It's almost a miracle how much he 1035 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.239 looks like him. But will that be something we're unable 1036 00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.280 to shake when in other roles? I don't know. 1037 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.000 And then meanwhile, you know they're shooting the John Rambo 1038 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.719 right now, the Rambo prequel. 1039 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:38.800 Oh yeah, that. 1040 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.840 Has a Noah Sentinao as as a Rambo. 1041 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:42.800 Interesting. 1042 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.880 Okay, so this is just the year for like young Stallone. 1043 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:47.199 Projects basically, that's funny. 1044 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.599 I'm I'm sure Amazon MGM is very excited because they're 1045 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.760 they're looking at a brand new franchise because in a 1046 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:55.519 couple of years, we get to do I play Rocky 1047 00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.159 in the sequel to Rocky Yes, right, thirty I play 1048 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.920 Rocky in Creed Yes, Yes, and then and then fifty 1049 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.519 years from now, I play the guy playing Rocky and 1050 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:14.559 I play Rocky. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that one. 1051 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:20.800 God willing in twenty seventy six, you and I we'll 1052 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:22.000 go watch that together. 1053 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:28.480 I remember seeing I play Rocky playing Rocky. That's what 1054 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:36.519 I'm open for. Dude, You've made me snort twice this episode. 1055 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.159 When does this come out? November twenty twenty six. 1056 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:41.199 Yeah. Amazon having a heck of a year. I mean, 1057 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:42.800 they had Project hill Mary one of the. 1058 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.480 Most they've had their ups and downs. 1059 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.760 Well, it's certainly, but I mean this year, you know, like, 1060 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.159 you know, I just had someone recently this past week 1061 00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:54.280 tell me they watched Hill Mary for the first time, 1062 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.480 and even after all the hype and people recommending it, 1063 00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.559 they're like, this movie is so good. 1064 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:00.559 Oh yeah, yeah. 1065 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:02.400 I was like, Wow, when's the last time a movie 1066 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:08.400 just captured such a broad audience's imagination. Yeah, it's amazing. 1067 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.519 Well, that's that's the story of the box office this 1068 00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.119 year is the highs are very high, even as the 1069 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:18.119 lowers are very low. And I think that is itself, 1070 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.199 you know, illuminating. 1071 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.119 Yeah. 1072 00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:32.280 Speaking of which, Hey, we have some headlines extra well 1073 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.880 right off the bat, this is this is a story 1074 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:41.360 that that I mean, it broke my heart seeing this headline. Yeah, 1075 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:43.800 Sam Neil has passed away. 1076 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.280 Last thing I expected to pop up on my phone. 1077 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:53.880 Yeah, I mean, he had been fighting cancer, right. However, 1078 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:56.800 he did announce earlier this year, a few months ago, 1079 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:02.039 that he was cancer free, and indeed he he died 1080 00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:06.480 of pneumonia. Yeah, and you know, I mean he was 1081 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.159 seventy eight years old, which see seventy eight is is 1082 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.000 kind of this age range where it's like you're not 1083 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:15.480 a young man obviously, but it's you don't expect somebody 1084 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.920 to pass away suddenly at that age, right exactly, like 1085 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:24.159 I you know, I think, you know, I don't know. 1086 00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:27.920 I just I just thought we'd get more performances from him, 1087 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:28.320 you know. 1088 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:31.480 And we'd been seeing quite a bit of him recently, 1089 00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:34.280 I mean, even returning to the role of Alan Grant, 1090 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.519 and he turned up in some of the Thorr movies. 1091 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:41.000 You know, he just he was still a presence. 1092 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.880 Still a presence, and I mean, I'll be honest, this 1093 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.079 one hit me really really hard. Yeah. 1094 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.880 Same, I got kind of emotional, and I was not 1095 00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:50.559 expecting that. 1096 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:55.760 Well, I think, I mean obviously for you and I, 1097 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.280 I mean, we do have such a specific relationship with 1098 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.719 Jurassic Park, and he is so integral in that movie 1099 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:05.440 that you know, we just sort of formed a real 1100 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:12.400 relationship with Sam Neil as Alan Grant, you know. And yeah, 1101 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.719 to your point, you know, I'm like, I'm glad we 1102 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.599 got to see him play that role one last time. 1103 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:21.679 You know, I think the movie did justice to his character. 1104 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.840 Even if the movie was hit or miss, you know. 1105 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.880 We were definitely at the very least happy to see 1106 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:29.599 him again, you know. 1107 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:35.760 And and just you know, beyond just the sadness we 1108 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:38.360 feel as fans, and you know what I you know, 1109 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.599 obviously what his family's going through. I mean, I think 1110 00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:49.920 something very beautiful has been the almost uniform admiration for 1111 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:57.519 his kindness and just just decency. There are no bad 1112 00:57:57.639 --> 00:57:59.679 Sam Neil stories. Yeah. 1113 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:03.599 I kept seeing a word come up which was protective, hm, 1114 00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:07.159 you know, with the child actors from Jurassic Park, Lord Dern, 1115 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.320 and I just I found that very interesting and like 1116 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.519 what a what a quality that you would love to 1117 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:14.800 have someone say about you. It's like they're very protective 1118 00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:16.159 of me. I felt very safe with them. 1119 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.039 Yeah, I mean there was a there was a you know, 1120 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:24.079 Arianna Richards, who who played Lex in Jurassic Park. She 1121 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.119 posted posted something nice on on Instagram. Joe Mazzello, who 1122 00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:32.039 was tim Uh. He posted a video which I mean 1123 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:35.880 I got I got choked up watching it. You know 1124 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:42.000 how he had he how he didn't even realize Sam 1125 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.519 Neil was still like following him right this many decades 1126 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:48.800 later and just saying, you know, keep it up, Joey. 1127 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:50.639 You know, yeah, I think he had just had a 1128 00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:51.719 movie come out or something. 1129 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:52.119 That's right. 1130 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.760 Sam commented on it like, yeah, keep it up, that's great, 1131 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:56.079 and he's like, oh, I didn't even know you were 1132 00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:57.039 tracking what I was up to. 1133 00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.440 Just the like the little kindnesses, you know, mm hmm. 1134 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:08.039 I saw Bryce Howard she posted. Sam was exactly who 1135 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:13.639 you hoped he'd be. Funny, warm, wickedly self deprecating, endlessly kind, 1136 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.639 a beautiful human being who happened to also be Alan 1137 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:23.920 Grant and what a career by the way, Like I mean, 1138 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.480 obviously Jurassic Park right, that's the thing. I mean, you 1139 00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.880 and I included like that's what immediately what we think of. 1140 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.679 But but what range you know a hunt Fred October. 1141 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:38.679 Oh my gosh, I would like to have seen Montana. Yeah, yeah, right, heartbreaking. 1142 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.760 You know, by Centennial Man. You know there's a movie 1143 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.760 I come back to again and again. I was telling Amana. 1144 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.079 I was like, when Robin Williams died, I watched by 1145 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:51.000 Centennial Man, When James Horner died, I watched by Centennial Man. 1146 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.440 And now I want to watch by Centennial Man again. Yep, 1147 00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:02.199 you know, oh gosh, I mean, you know, Dead Calm 1148 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.920 in the Mouth of Madness, Event Horizon, like Hide for 1149 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.639 the Wilder People, Hunt for the Wilder People. Yeah. Yeah. 1150 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.639 Julian Dannison, who starred in that film. He also posted 1151 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:15.679 a lovely remembrance of him. Of course, he played the 1152 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.440 He played the actor playing Odin in Thor Ragnarok, right, 1153 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:26.840 you know Escape Plan that stallone Schwartzenegger. Oh yeah, he 1154 01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:28.840 had like a key supporting role in that. You know. 1155 01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.199 Yeah, you know what it was always like a characteristic 1156 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.840 was sort of a warmth. Right when he's playing the 1157 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.519 doctor in this prison, It's not like someone with a 1158 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.760 cigarette hanging out of his mouth, who doesn't believe anybody. 1159 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:43.800 There's a little bit of a you realize you could 1160 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.239 if there's anyone you could possibly trust in this hellish place. Yeah, 1161 01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.679 maybe it's this guy. And I think of a bicentennial man. 1162 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:53.920 You could have the inventor of this cyborg sort of character, 1163 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.760 be a little wacky or a little unhinged or you know, 1164 01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:59.920 but there's a warmth. There's a fatherly quality to that character, 1165 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.239 you know, I mean, frankly, the thing to me that 1166 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:07.199 encapsulates him so strongly. I just rewatched Jurrassic Park. I 1167 01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:12.079 mentioned it's my favorite line, and it's my brother and I. 1168 01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:17.159 His favorite line is after the t Rex situation and 1169 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.239 Lex is freaking out and saying, you know, he left 1170 01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.119 us about the lawyer he left us, and then he 1171 01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:24.920 gets this incredible Spielberg heroque shot That's not what I'm 1172 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.400 gonna do. And it's funny because you know, Harrison Ford 1173 01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.039 was who Steven Spielberg originally wanted for that role, and 1174 01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:36.079 you can I can picture that version, but it feels 1175 01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.000 a little bit more like a movie star. It feels 1176 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:41.880 a little bit more you're not exactly sure what he's 1177 01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.800 always thinking, you know, with this guy. But what Sam 1178 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:50.320 Neil brought to that character was what seems to be 1179 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:54.800 inherently him, which is a stoicism, but like a warmth, 1180 01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:02.679 you know, and a graciousness and like a dad energy frankly, 1181 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.360 And what I love is, you know, I think about 1182 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.400 the We talk often about the movie Home Alone and 1183 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.360 why it's endured, and we say, because it's more than 1184 01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:14.599 a boy just throwing pink cans at burglars. It's about 1185 01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:16.440 a child learning to grow up a little and think 1186 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.079 about other people. There's a warmth and there's a humanity. 1187 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:21.840 That is the secret sauce to that movie, and that's 1188 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:23.760 why people still love it all these years later. And 1189 01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.400 I think that's the secret sauce to Jurassic Park, because 1190 01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:29.280 it's not just about people getting eaten by dinosaurs. We 1191 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.519 start with a guy who was a little grumpy and 1192 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.719 doesn't like kids, or thinks he doesn't like kids, and 1193 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:36.920 over the course of the movie, I've always loved the 1194 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:38.480 moment too where he goes up into the tree and 1195 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.360 Tim's scared and he's like, I threw up. He's like, 1196 01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:43.719 I won't tell anyone you threw up. It's so like 1197 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:49.239 dad like and warm, and then we have you know, 1198 01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.159 when the kids cuddle up with him in the tree 1199 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.599 and he's a little surprised by it, but they feel 1200 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.519 immediately comfortable with this guy. And then we end with 1201 01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:58.519 the movie with them falling asleep on him in the 1202 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.199 helicopter and he gives that really nice smile, that lovely 1203 01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:04.559 smile to Lord Dern, Like, that's the secret sauce of 1204 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:05.159 Jurassic Park. 1205 01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.320 Well, and one moment you didn't mention is when he 1206 01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:10.800 touches the electrified fence. 1207 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:15.679 Yes, yes, the playfulness, right, and that incredible smile he 1208 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:17.840 gives that funny dad joke. He just made a great 1209 01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:22.519 dad joke, you know, and it's just, yeah, like that's 1210 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:26.119 something only he could bring to that character. That's why 1211 01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:27.960 we still love that character so much. And I think 1212 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:32.480 that's why that movie especially endures in our hearts, yeah, 1213 01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:33.400 all these years later. 1214 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:39.559 Yeah, And and you know that's sort of like, in 1215 01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:44.960 terms of cinematic legacy, you know, Jurassic Park ensures that 1216 01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:49.079 Sam Neil will be watched and admired for for forever, 1217 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.280 right above and beyond all the other work that he did, 1218 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:58.440 But just as important, more important is his legacy of 1219 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.360 just kindness and and that's not something you can fake. 1220 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:07.599 It's it's something that that I think all of us 1221 01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.119 can learn from. I mean, you and I we've just 1222 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.639 been sharing, you know, texts back and forth, the various 1223 01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:17.679 people uh uh telling stories about him, you know, and 1224 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.559 it's like that that's not you know, that, that's not 1225 01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:26.800 a manufactured persona. That's what's there, right, you. 1226 01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:30.159 Know, right, and it shined through in his roles. 1227 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:36.239 Yeah, you know, absolutely so so just truly like for 1228 01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:40.400 for for the world of film. I mean it really it. 1229 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:46.719 I'm sad for all of the performances that were yet 1230 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:50.079 to come that we're not we're not going to see. 1231 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:53.000 But but what a what a legacy to leave behind, 1232 01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:54.119 both on screen and off. 1233 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:55.199 Absolutely. 1234 01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.280 Oh and and one thing I did want to mention 1235 01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.800 about Sam neil He a couple of years ago, three 1236 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.760 years ago, he put out an autobiography called Did I 1237 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:04.440 Ever Tell You This? 1238 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:07.280 Oh, now that you say it, I remember that. 1239 01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:11.159 Yeah, yeah, And and I had back in the day, 1240 01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.519 you know, I downloaded the audio book and I listened 1241 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:16.639 to it, and so I've been listening to that the 1242 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:17.599 last couple of days. 1243 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:21.679 Well now that, yeah, i'd really like to listen to that. 1244 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:23.599 I think I'm assuming he narrates it. 1245 01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:25.039 Yeah, he read it. 1246 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:28.559 Yeah, he has such like a soothing, you know, demeanor. 1247 01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:30.559 I bet it's a pleasant thing to listen to. 1248 01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:32.559 I really, because I know a lot of folks right 1249 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:37.199 now are definitely feeling that. You know, it's hard to 1250 01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.840 to really sum up, you know, the loss of like 1251 01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:44.679 a celebrity who you didn't know, But we do form 1252 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:46.360 these parasocial relationships. 1253 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:46.719 I think. 1254 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:51.920 I think that's that's valid, you know. But I found 1255 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.360 personally over the last few days just listening to this audiobook, 1256 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:58.320 I just found it very pleasant. You know. It's just 1257 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.719 just sort of a way of connecting and remembering. 1258 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.440 Yeah, well, I definitely want to maybe go on audible 1259 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.079 and yeah I give that a download. 1260 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:08.199 Yeah, Like I said, it's called Did I ever tell 1261 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:08.519 you this? 1262 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:09.679 Nice? 1263 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:16.280 So Sam Neil rip In other news, Hey, Mowana is 1264 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:17.320 in theaters. 1265 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:19.639 Again again again again. 1266 01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.800 Well, I don't mean the twenty sixteen animated film. I 1267 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:31.239 mean the scene for seeing Gus Van Sant's style live 1268 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:32.119 action remake. 1269 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:35.679 I have not heard anyone make that comparison. That is genius. 1270 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.000 That is genius. Well, and also I say again again again, 1271 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:41.880 because there was a sequel just like a year ago or. 1272 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:44.400 Something, right, it was last year, right, and it made 1273 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:45.519 a billion plus. 1274 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.480 There you go, people like Mohana, well, man. 1275 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:52.559 This is so this one. And I should say I 1276 01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:57.039 have not seen My wife did see it, and she's like, yeah, 1277 01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:01.960 it's like the exact same thing. But it opened in 1278 01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:03.360 like Supergirl territory. 1279 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:05.199 M yeah, they're close to it. 1280 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.639 Forty three million dollars in North America. This is like 1281 01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:10.679 a two hundred and fifty million dollar movie. 1282 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:11.440 Wow. 1283 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:14.320 And that's before marketing and all the other fun. 1284 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.280 Yeah, so a factor in another one hundred millions. So 1285 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:22.039 I mean this thing is cooked. Yeah, right, And I 1286 01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:27.119 am sort of fascinated at this movie's existence because it 1287 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:29.519 really does feel like something no one was asking for. 1288 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:34.559 Well, and the conversation around these Disney live action remix 1289 01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:37.880 is always like, is this These are just cynical cash grabs, right, 1290 01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.119 Like they're taking stuff from their catalog that already exists, 1291 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:43.639 it's already beloved, and then they're just making a live 1292 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.679 action version because they know it's guaranteed millions for them, 1293 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:50.559 whether or not anyone ever even enjoys them or will 1294 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:53.559 ever revisit them, like, are these the choices when you 1295 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:55.880 know you want to show your kid snow White? Are 1296 01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:57.519 you ever going to show them the live action Snowhite? 1297 01:07:57.519 --> 01:07:59.239 Are you going to show them the original snow White? 1298 01:07:59.400 --> 01:07:59.559 Right? 1299 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:03.280 You know, so it feels a little cynical, but this one, 1300 01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:08.039 you know, was like, well, this is undeniably cynical because 1301 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:10.440 this movie's not even ten years old and we're already 1302 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:14.679 remaking it. And yeah, they just know or they assumed 1303 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:18.840 everyone would show up and it would make a billion dollars. 1304 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:21.840 Well, yeah, well, and it feels like they were they 1305 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:25.119 were banking a lot on the appeal of seeing Dwayne 1306 01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:30.800 Johnson play Maui in real life. Yeah, which I mean 1307 01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.319 clearly they were overestimating the appeal of that proposition. 1308 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.640 Well, and do you also think that they were worried 1309 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:39.680 about him aging out of it a little bit? So 1310 01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:42.119 it's like, let's do it while the getting's good. 1311 01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:45.399 Yeah, so I'm sure. I'm sure that was a factor. 1312 01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:48.800 Although it's interesting because I was talking to some of 1313 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:52.880 my students about this, you know, this past semester, and 1314 01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:54.239 I was like, well, you know, I mean, you gotta 1315 01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:56.720 have Dwayne Johnson, Like we was going to play Maui, Like, 1316 01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:57.880 we don't care about that. 1317 01:08:58.279 --> 01:08:59.359 Oh, really interesting. 1318 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:04.439 There's no inherent necessity in their minds of having Dwayne 1319 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:05.720 Johnson playing Maui. 1320 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:09.800 H maybe that's something that would have made more since 1321 01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:12.960 fifteen years ago or something where he was this big 1322 01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:16.159 superstar that everybody at least seemed to like, whether or 1323 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:17.079 not they liked his movies. 1324 01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:20.640 Well, so that's the the There's sort of an intermingling 1325 01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:25.079 of several factors here, right. Number one, this is this 1326 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.119 entire summer is proving the proposition. And this is just 1327 01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.520 like the cherry on top that if you wheel out 1328 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:36.680 the same old thing, if you if you have a 1329 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:40.840 wheelbarro of shit and tell people it's sugar, they will 1330 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:47.600 eventually stop turning up. Right. And look, last year Leelo 1331 01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:49.159 and Stitch made a billion. 1332 01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:52.960 Plus mm hmm yeah yeah right. 1333 01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:58.319 And so's the what's the missing ingredient? I think time, right, 1334 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:02.800 Leelo and Stitch was twenty plus years ago, So I 1335 01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:07.520 think it really needs to be an intergenerational prospect right 1336 01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:12.199 where somebody takes their kids, right. I think Moana has 1337 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:14.479 not been around long enough. I also think, and this 1338 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:19.119 is something you and I talked about during our Troy commentary. 1339 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:22.960 How it just it looks unappealing. 1340 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:23.600 M M. 1341 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:28.119 Yeah, it's it looks like live action people plopped into 1342 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:33.079 the same exact digital environments from the animated film yep, 1343 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:35.760 and it's not doing anything different. So, I mean all 1344 01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:41.399 of these factors, right, But to me, big picture, it's like, well, 1345 01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:45.960 the Rock is a diminished people's champion at this point. 1346 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:48.119 Yeah, that's part of it for sure. 1347 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:50.920 It's kind of a bummer, right because I mean, during 1348 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.439 the life of this podcast, we've seen him be a 1349 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:59.199 stride Hollywood like a colossus. Yeah, but everything that goes 1350 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:00.159 up comes down. 1351 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:03.760 Yeah. And I guess what I'm really fascinated by is 1352 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:06.720 it did seem like these Disney live action remakes were 1353 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:10.479 just fishing a barrel. That's right, because a couple movies 1354 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:15.079 aside they were, Yeah, And so it just seemed like, 1355 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.039 whether or not anyone felt this was cynical, it was 1356 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:20.079 still going to succeed in spite of all of that. 1357 01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:23.199 And so it's just amazing to me that for the 1358 01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:27.119 first time people kind of said no, not this time. 1359 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:31.479 Well, that's the thing, right, because because snow White flopped 1360 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:36.199 last year and this opened somewhere in the same range, right, Yeah, 1361 01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:38.319 but you could chalk that up to you know, the 1362 01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:45.319 dwarves looked vaguely hideous, yeah, and the you know, you know, 1363 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:49.079 some people said, oh, Rachel Ziggler made political comments, and 1364 01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:50.880 there was a backlash of that. Who knows, But I 1365 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.119 think fundamentally the real reason that one flopped is that 1366 01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:59.159 I don't know anybody who has like a deep like 1367 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.800 love of the Disney snow White. 1368 01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:02.880 You know. 1369 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:05.960 Yeah, that's just more an important part of its history 1370 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:07.840 than I think people who are dressing up like snow 1371 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:09.479 White or exactly. 1372 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:12.760 So it's so it lacks that that you know, parents 1373 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:15.119 taking their kids with them factor. 1374 01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:18.560 Yeah, or even probably maybe most importantly with a lot 1375 01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:22.239 of these dizzy movies, the songs, and I mean like 1376 01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:24.640 the soundtracks that you're playing in the minivan when you're 1377 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:26.600 driving the kids around, Like, I don't know that many 1378 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:28.800 people are playing the snow White soundtrack, right. 1379 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:32.760 Hi ho, Hi ho. Nobody's playing that, right And and 1380 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.000 you know, so it's almost like between the two between 1381 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:37.760 snow White and Wan and we have the poles like 1382 01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:39.960 that one the original is too old, this one, the 1383 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:46.600 original is too new. But why I wanted to bring 1384 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:48.880 this up is I think we're seeing is sort of 1385 01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:56.159 the tale of the Summer because we have enough underperformers 1386 01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:00.039 and overperformers to start mapping out what people are responding to. Right. So, 1387 01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:03.479 so we have Mawana, we have Supergirl Mastered the Universe, 1388 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:10.319 obviously massive underperformers, right, which just speaks to the fact 1389 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.840 that it's people are not interested in those. And you 1390 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.600 can't say, oh, people aren't going to the movies anymore 1391 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.600 because of course obsession back rooms huge hits. But guess 1392 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.039 what Franchise Pictures Toy Story five headed for a billion dollars? 1393 01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:31.520 You know, uh that that proves that, Well, it's not 1394 01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:34.039 like people are just rejecting anything with the number at 1395 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:40.640 the end, right, I just and and obviously the Odyssey 1396 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:42.720 is going to be a I mean we're staring at 1397 01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:45.840 the barrel of a massive, massive opening. And then you 1398 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:48.119 mentioned Project Hill Mary earlier, this earlier, this year is 1399 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.239 not a summer movie. But guess what huge hit people 1400 01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:54.199 showed up? So what what what can we infer based 1401 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:55.039 on all. 1402 01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:58.720 Of these I'm curious, what do you think? 1403 01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:03.840 Well? I think for me, it's really if you build it, 1404 01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:07.159 they'll come m hm, right, But it has to be 1405 01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:13.520 a sturdy construct. I think I think Toy Story five. Look, 1406 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:17.560 what has worked in that franchise favor is that they 1407 01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:22.479 wait mm hmm right. So again it's like, oh, they 1408 01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:24.760 thought they were done with three. Oh why are they 1409 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.760 making another one? It's like, oh, it's a cynical cash 1410 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:30.079 grap okay, But they still waited nine years before they 1411 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:33.840 made the fourth one. They waited, you know, seven years 1412 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:35.159 before they made the fifth one. 1413 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:39.640 And I think that really shows a savviness with the audience. 1414 01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:44.119 Because if you build a new Mowana, we like Moana one, 1415 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:46.319 so then you make a Mawana two, Well, people want 1416 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:48.840 to see the further adventures of those characters. But if 1417 01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:51.039 you just, like you were saying, do like a karaoke 1418 01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:54.119 or a pyche Gus van sant psycho of the first one, Yep, 1419 01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:56.600 people sniffed that out and was like, well no, I 1420 01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:59.720 mean and I do. I would like to believe that 1421 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.359 people people saw how it looked and kind of even 1422 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:03.640 subconsciously rejected it. 1423 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.119 That's the thing. How do you spend that much money 1424 01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:08.640 and have it seem so lifeless? 1425 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:10.039 You know, I know, I know. 1426 01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:15.960 It's odd, and I think that again, it's not that 1427 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:18.760 people are rejecting sequels out of hand. It's just give 1428 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.319 us something new, even if it's infamiliar trappings. 1429 01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.359 Yeah, I mean, like you said, I mean toy story. 1430 01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:26.920 If they had a toy story like two three years ago, 1431 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:29.359 I don't know that would have had as big an 1432 01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:32.199 opening this year. But those are characters we still love. 1433 01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:36.720 They know it. They took their time and we showed up, 1434 01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:38.680 you know. And then also I like that there are 1435 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:41.640 the surprises Project tail Mary. I never would have guessed 1436 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:43.880 it would have done as well as it did, but 1437 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.640 someone trusted their gut and was like, hey, this book's great, 1438 01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:50.239 this is going to make a great movie. And it 1439 01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.560 worked because it was good and people believed in it 1440 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:56.000 and they made a good movie. And Obsession, you know, 1441 01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:58.439 that could have just been one of those horror things 1442 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:01.359 that got released on shutter and and you know, certain 1443 01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:03.520 people are aware of it and then you never hear 1444 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.119 about it again. But it's like, there's something to this, 1445 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:08.600 and so people showed up and word of mouth is 1446 01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:11.000 great and made more money than anyone could have imagined. 1447 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:14.359 Like the good stuff rising to the top. It's like 1448 01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:15.840 the way you'd like for it to work. 1449 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.920 It's it's actually a reassuring story when you look at 1450 01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.880 the overall trajectory of the box office this summer. 1451 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:24.600 Yeah, and the variety of the things that are succeeding. Yeah, 1452 01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:27.560 that's right, like the good stuff. People are seem to 1453 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:29.920 be sniffing it out and showing up for it. 1454 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.319 Yeah, for the most part. And by the way, you know, 1455 01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:35.399 you look at Disclosure Day. I think Disclosure Day is 1456 01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:38.840 an interesting test case, right, because it's not it's not 1457 01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.479 a sequel or a franchise picture. But I mean, I 1458 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:45.880 suppose Spielberg himself is the franchise, you know, right, and 1459 01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:48.159 say what you will. I mean, I think it'll end 1460 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:53.840 up underperforming. But people did turn up opening weekend. Yeah, 1461 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:58.479 so there was curiosity at play. Yeah, so people are like, 1462 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.760 this is what I'm saying. People are interested and something different. 1463 01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:04.640 And when I say different, it I don't mean they 1464 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:08.319 don't want franchise. They want something different within that franchise. 1465 01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:12.159 And so the reaction to Supergirls very telling. First of all, 1466 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:13.840 people didn't even show up. People that did see it 1467 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.279 are like, well, it just feels like the same old thing. 1468 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:18.760 It feels like a million other. 1469 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.600 Things, right, right. 1470 01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:25.960 Again, you look at you look at the Odyssey and 1471 01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.600 what are we hearing? Oh? You know the Imax screens 1472 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:31.720 are sold out. Yeah, I was actually just looking this 1473 01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:34.840 morning before we got on at the AMC just right 1474 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:38.399 by my house, and I mean two o'clock show completely 1475 01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.319 sold out. You know, there's like a handful of seats left. 1476 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:45.000 Spider Man is going to be a hit in a few. 1477 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:47.479 Weeks because we love Spider Man and we haven't seen him. 1478 01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:49.760 In a while exactly, and it's gonna be something different, right, So, 1479 01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.000 I mean, I think all of this is actually kind 1480 01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:53.600 of reassuring in a weird way. 1481 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:57.319 I do too, Actually, I like what this summer sort 1482 01:17:57.359 --> 01:17:59.039 of seems to be telling. 1483 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:03.199 Now. So that said, and this is something we mentioned recently. 1484 01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:06.199 You know, Paramount is still kicking the tires on a 1485 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:12.000 new G I. Joe movie, yes, which, like I I 1486 01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:14.800 suspect that might not be a worthy investment, but I 1487 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:19.199 am interested because Danny McBride, who is a professed not 1488 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:21.399 just G I. Joe fan, but specifically a fan of 1489 01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:24.359 the Marvel Comics run of G I. Joe, which is 1490 01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:27.920 just that's my you know, that's my lingua franca. You know, 1491 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:33.159 that's like that's my er text, you know. So that 1492 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:38.159 for him, That's that's what's inspired him. So he wrote 1493 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:41.079 a script and it's just been announced as of this morning. 1494 01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:45.520 He's also directing that movie. He's making his directorial debut, 1495 01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:48.600 and it's looking like the film is going to star 1496 01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:54.760 Bradley Cooper. Interesting and that actually the McBride of it 1497 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:56.640 is is kind of interesting because he's never directed, and 1498 01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:58.399 I'm like, well, if he obviously he must have a 1499 01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:00.800 hell of a pitch for Paramount to hire to direct it, right, 1500 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:04.319 But like, Bradley Cooper does not need to do a 1501 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:05.359 Gi Joe movie. 1502 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:10.239 Yeah, he's off playing Leonard Bernstein and like, yeah. 1503 01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:11.960 He's well removed from the Hangover days. 1504 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:14.159 Yeah, so there must be something here. 1505 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:20.359 That's where I'm like, hmm, interesting, you know, because initially, 1506 01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:22.920 initially Chris Hamswerth was attached, and that actually had made 1507 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.279 less interested than Bradley Cooper. 1508 01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:27.079 Agreed, even though I'm always sort of sticking up for 1509 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.600 him and wondering why he's not a bigger star. Yeah, 1510 01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:34.439 but he's done some shit yeah yeah. Yeah. So I 1511 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:38.239 also wonder when I first heard about this if this 1512 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:42.840 was one of those window closing sorts of things been there. Yeah, 1513 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:45.079 you know, because the last two or three G I 1514 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.680 Joe movies, I'm sure they did okay, but they didn't 1515 01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:48.560 set the world on fire. 1516 01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:52.479 Well, I mean, the first one did well enough to 1517 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:57.960 warrant a sequel. Yeah, sequel. I think it made a 1518 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:01.159 little under five hundred worldwide, which just like rarefied air 1519 01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:01.760 at this point. 1520 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:02.880 Yeah. 1521 01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:05.800 The third one came out during or just after the pandemic, 1522 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:09.560 so that one just totally died. I would say, unlike 1523 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:13.920 Masters of the Universe Gi Joe, there is still well 1524 01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:15.840 you know what mass is the universe too, right, I mean, 1525 01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:18.319 they are making toys, It's just it's aimed at collectors. 1526 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.520 So g I Joe is in like the exact same 1527 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:25.319 box as as Masters of the Universe. Mm hm so 1528 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:28.239 if I I mean, we're way out here. I don't 1529 01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:30.000 even know if they ever call action on this thing. 1530 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.199 But I think it's a risky proposition, is what I 1531 01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:34.680 would say. 1532 01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:38.439 I agree, But what excites me about it? With those 1533 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:42.880 previous films, I don't remember them at all. I don't remember. 1534 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:45.119 They didn't feel like GI Joe movies to me in 1535 01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:46.800 my mind, even though I'm not the hugest fan, You're 1536 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:49.000 the big GI Joe guy, But like they just felt like, 1537 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:53.680 you know, uh, fanciful military movies, you know, like slight 1538 01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:56.800 sci fi leanings, but like mostly yeah, and I don't 1539 01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:58.520 remember anything about them. I don't remember the characters. I 1540 01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:00.359 remember The Rock was in one of them. Don't remember 1541 01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:03.600 anything about that other than that he was. But this, 1542 01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:06.479 I like is coming from a real fan, like you 1543 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:09.359 said of the of the text, and a guy with 1544 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:12.439 a very distinct interesting voice. 1545 01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:13.399 Yeah. 1546 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:15.880 So that that's what makes me excited about this, that 1547 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.359 this could at least be interesting. Whether or not, you know, 1548 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:21.000 the audience is there for it, I don't know, but 1549 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:25.399 I like Masters of the Universe. I suppose where I'm sitting, 1550 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:27.560 it doesn't matter. I just hope it's good. 1551 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:34.319 Yeah. I think that McBride comes at it a' lah. 1552 01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:38.640 Travis Knight m M. You know who was clearly he 1553 01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:40.880 grew up with with Masters of Universe and he brought 1554 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.800 that to it, you know. And that's now I should say, 1555 01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:46.439 actually the second jed Jo PHILM Jedjo Retaliation, that's the 1556 01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:47.920 one at the Rock that's strict by John M. 1557 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:48.920 Cho Oh. 1558 01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:51.600 Yeah, yeah, who you had opportunity to work with recently, 1559 01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:57.359 and uh, I could tell he was a fan. Yeah, 1560 01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:00.319 you know, unlike Stephen Summers. He did the first film, 1561 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:01.920 and I was like, Stephen, this is like a paycheck 1562 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:02.800 for Stephen Summers. 1563 01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:03.399 Sure. 1564 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.680 You know, it's like Michael Bay doing Transformers. You know, 1565 01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:09.720 it's like, well, he doesn't. He wants to make like 1566 01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:14.479 military you know, a glorified military ad which happens to 1567 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:15.760 have transforming robots in it. 1568 01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:18.960 Yeah, so then you stand down the wacky edges of 1569 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.039 what makes the property the property, But like, no, I 1570 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:22.359 want it to look like the thing. That's what I 1571 01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:24.039 loved about Masters of the Universe. It got kind of 1572 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:26.399 goofy at the end. I was like, yes, right that 1573 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:27.079 it should be. 1574 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:32.239 Michael Bay's idea of goofy is like racist robots. 1575 01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:33.800 It's crazy that you're not even joking. 1576 01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:37.239 Nope, that's a real thing. Look it up, kids, that happened. Yes, 1577 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:41.039 that actually happened. So so anyway, I mean, I we're 1578 01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:44.399 so far ahead of the starting gate as far as 1579 01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:47.439 the g I Jode thing. I'm I'm curious. I'm I'm 1580 01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:49.960 definitely more intrigued this morning than I was like a 1581 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:54.359 week ago. Yeah, but I yeah, to our point, you know, 1582 01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:58.680 the window, if it's not closed, it's closing fast. But 1583 01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:00.960 you know, maybe it's a good thing. You know, the 1584 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:04.720 movies need to change. Sure, yeah, change can be good. 1585 01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:11.239 Yeah to every season, that's right, speaking of to every season. 1586 01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:14.239 The lead character of our movie that we're about to 1587 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.920 talk about go experiences many seasons. Let's talk about it 1588 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:19.399 on the other side of this. 1589 01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:28.279 And now we're pleased to bring you our features. 1590 01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:34.760 And we are back. And you know what else is back? Brian? 1591 01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:38.319 What's that? Zachy? Why it's the sacking of Troy? 1592 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.880 Do we just leave this party right? 1593 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:42.359 Yes? 1594 01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:45.039 And by the way, I gotta say I felt very 1595 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:49.680 prepped for this after we had just done our Troy 1596 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:53.039 commentary because the story was fresh in my mind. It 1597 01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:57.159 covers different you know, areas that are referenced in this movie, 1598 01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:00.359 but we don't explicitly see so I don't know, people 1599 01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:02.479 want to check out revisit Troy and want to listen 1600 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:04.439 to our commentary for that, I think they might get 1601 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:06.079 something out of it. 1602 01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:09.439 It has been interesting over the last few weeks. Just 1603 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:13.960 I mean, I had the thought about us doing a 1604 01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:16.880 Troy commentary like like six months ago, right when I 1605 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:18.560 knew that the audisty was coming. But it feels like 1606 01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:20.239 a lot of other folks had the same idea of 1607 01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:20.960 revisiting it. 1608 01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:24.239 Yeah, but you were ahead of it, and I remember 1609 01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:26.680 when you suggested it to me, I was like, I 1610 01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:28.760 totally understand. This is a good idea, but I hadn't 1611 01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.479 thought about that movie in twenty some years. So I 1612 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:33.760 was like, well, yeah, I guess, I guess that makes sense. 1613 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:35.479 That was the feeling that I had, like, I guess 1614 01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:37.199 this makes sense. And then when I watched it, I 1615 01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:39.399 enjoyed revisiting it, and I do think it was a 1616 01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:42.359 great conversation. But yes, now I'm seeing it pop up 1617 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.640 everywhere and like honest trailers and all these other sorts 1618 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.960 of things. So you were ahead of it weeks ago. 1619 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:54.119 Well, I'm I'm glad we revisited it, and I'm I'm 1620 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.720 glad that we were able to point out where Troy 1621 01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:01.720 the film is stick to the original story and where 1622 01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:04.159 it veers, because I think, at least for me, that 1623 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:07.479 was a good refresher and it prepped me for what 1624 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:08.640 we see in the Odyssey. 1625 01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:13.600 Yeah, and during the commentary, you are way better versed 1626 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:15.399 in this story than I am, and so you were 1627 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:20.319 pointing out, well, Troy sort of tweaks this so this 1628 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:24.000 person has this feeling about this, but that's not exactly 1629 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.640 what happens in the original story. And I was thankful 1630 01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:29.680 to have that context in my mind when I was 1631 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.840 watching The Odyssey, because some people behave in ways that 1632 01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:34.560 I was like, Oh, well, that's a little different than 1633 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:36.880 they look on it in Troy, but makes sense because 1634 01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:37.600 of what you explained. 1635 01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:42.199 Well, the Odyssey is in theaters, yes, and I. 1636 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:44.439 Have to ask before we get into it. I'm curious 1637 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:46.439 what format you saw it in. And I'm also curious 1638 01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:49.279 if you saw the Dune three preview. 1639 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:54.439 Well, so I saw it at the big Imax in 1640 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:58.239 downtown San Francisco, the one you and I have been to. 1641 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:01.279 We watched a dial of Destiny there. Yeah, and the 1642 01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:04.880 promise was that we would be watching the seventy milimeter print, 1643 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:08.039 but unfortunately the morning of we got an email saying, hey, 1644 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.960 we're having issues with the projector Oh no, so we're 1645 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:15.119 going to show the digital copy. 1646 01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:19.159 Okay, but still on the enormous true Imax screen. 1647 01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:22.479 Yeah. So I did miss out on seventy, but I 1648 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:24.560 hope I'll get the change. I mean, now that joint 1649 01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:28.279 is just like booked up from now until until you know, 1650 01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:29.439 several years from now. 1651 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:32.439 Yeah, because tickets went on sale literally a year ago, 1652 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:35.880 July fifteenth, twenty twenty five. So that's what's crazy to 1653 01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:38.000 be the people who are at the first showings yesterday, 1654 01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:40.840 but their tickets a year in advance, so that was 1655 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:42.079 not dedication. Yeah. 1656 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:45.319 Yeah, so I didn't get the seventy milimeter experience. I 1657 01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:47.840 did get the massive Imax experience, which I'm glad for. 1658 01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:53.640 There was no Dune promo in front of it, however, Oh. 1659 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:56.119 That must have been attached then I'm guessing. 1660 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.520 Too that, yeah, because because Dune is Warner Brothers, so. 1661 01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:02.199 Yeah, or I'm just thinking, even like they didn't have 1662 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:04.119 it on a DCP or something like that must be 1663 01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:07.720 attached to the actual reels of the film. 1664 01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:08.439 Then, gotcha, gotcha? 1665 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:12.920 Okay, yeah, yeah. I saw it at the Chinese theater 1666 01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:16.399 and it was seventy millimeters Imax, which I didn't know. 1667 01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:23.079 So that was pretty amazing and overwhelming. And it did 1668 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.680 I will say this, then it did have the Dune preview, 1669 01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:33.359 and I was like, holy crap, dude, I was not 1670 01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:38.239 prepared honestly. I mean, the past two movies have continued 1671 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:45.239 to show us really amazing, colossal you know vision. This 1672 01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:49.439 was like, and this is no slight against Denny and 1673 01:27:49.479 --> 01:27:51.840 his vision, because this is his vision. It's amazing. But 1674 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:54.399 I was like, this looks like if Christopher Nolan did 1675 01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:59.800 Star Wars. Really it's epic, epic, and it's funny because 1676 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:03.359 I was the my buddy who's like, I know, I like, 1677 01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:05.319 I've enjoyed Doom, but I don't really care about it 1678 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:07.159 that much. I'm not sure I'm really looking forward to three. 1679 01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:09.439 As soon as it was over, he leaned over and 1680 01:28:09.439 --> 01:28:13.760 he went, I'm in. So it's a battle scene and 1681 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.119 it is epic. 1682 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.439 I'm in. Well, I mean I'm already on board obviously, 1683 01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:22.560 but now now I'm even more on board. I've moved 1684 01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:26.680 further on board. I was on an aisle seat, now 1685 01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:28.720 I'm now I'm in the middle. 1686 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:30.720 You're in the middle, sparely in the middle, tied up 1687 01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:32.439 to the mast or whatever. 1688 01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:36.880 That's right, yep, So real quick, before we get into 1689 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:41.640 our discussion about thought, we're recording this the Friday morning after. 1690 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:46.520 It's a preview night and it's already on pace. For 1691 01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:50.600 let's see the biggest Thursday previews of twenty twenty six, 1692 01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:56.319 seventeen point six million dollars. That's just in previews. So 1693 01:28:56.920 --> 01:28:59.159 this is going to end up doing very well. I 1694 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:01.319 don't think it's going to be front loaded, so I 1695 01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:02.960 would not be surprised at all if we see one 1696 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:07.520 hundred million dollars plus opening weekend. That seems that seems 1697 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.039 like we're well on our way to that. 1698 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:12.159 Yeah, And I mean I had reserved seats, so I'm 1699 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:13.600 used to just being able to walk in and go 1700 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:16.039 right where I had sat. But there was a line 1701 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:19.520 outside the theater that went all the way down the 1702 01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:20.800 block just to wait to get in. 1703 01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:23.680 I mean there when I went to the press screening, 1704 01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.079 there was a there was a line for the press screening. 1705 01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:27.239 Yeah. 1706 01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:27.640 Yeah. 1707 01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:29.680 And then when I got out, it was about ten 1708 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.439 at night, there was another line. And then I saw 1709 01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:35.159 on Instagram on the Chinese Theater's page, they had a 1710 01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:38.800 video of the line waiting for the one fifty am screening. 1711 01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:42.880 Good lord. Yeah, that's that's too rich for my blood 1712 01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:43.319 right there. 1713 01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:44.960 That's yeah, that's dedication. 1714 01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:51.560 I'm not doing that. So okay, well, well I will 1715 01:29:52.159 --> 01:29:55.720 I will say that. You know, normally, you and I 1716 01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:57.359 you know, and people listen to the show. Note like 1717 01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:03.640 we don't talk about our our responses after we watch it. 1718 01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:08.439 Occasionally I make an exception, and I've done that twice. Now. 1719 01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:14.439 Three years ago, after I watched Oppenheimer, I pulled up 1720 01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:18.520 my phone and I texted you F and Christopher Nolan yep. 1721 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:21.840 And then now three years later, I walk out of 1722 01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:24.439 the Odyssey and I just text you F and Christopher 1723 01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:29.600 Nolan yep. It has become my now traditional post Nolan 1724 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:35.680 movie text. Yes, so you knew you already knew that 1725 01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.960 that I loved it. See you better have loved it? 1726 01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:43.640 What'd you think? 1727 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.640 Well, now I'm happy to know where that TSG Entertainment 1728 01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:51.560 vanity logo card comes from. You know what I'm talking 1729 01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:54.720 about with the guy, yes, shooting the arrow through the ACEIs. 1730 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:56.720 I always was like, huh, I wonder what that is. 1731 01:30:57.520 --> 01:30:59.479 I want to say, actually, before we even get into it, 1732 01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:04.119 there something oddly soothing about the sound when Odysseus shoots 1733 01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:09.600 an arrow. I was like, I think that's my new 1734 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:12.640 ASMR is shooting era. 1735 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:25.960 Yeah, this this is why there are movie theaters. This 1736 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:35.039 is a colossal spectacle that it's it's it's almost overwhelming, honestly, 1737 01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:42.359 and nobody is doing this but Nolan and I don't 1738 01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:45.920 know if anyone else can. I don't given the resources, 1739 01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:49.720 the resources he is afforded, of course, but also just 1740 01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:53.960 the scope, Like nobody is making movies of this scope 1741 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:59.880 like Nolan, and he is successful at it. So this 1742 01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:06.399 is an experience, right, like it was. You're watching these 1743 01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:09.520 ships and I'm sure there's trickery and things at play, 1744 01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:12.760 but like he is so committed to doing as much 1745 01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:16.680 as possible in camera. Yeah, and I'm certain this movie. 1746 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.279 See that's the thing like with Tom Cruise and him 1747 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:22.199 saying he does his own stunts, I'm sure he does 1748 01:32:22.600 --> 01:32:25.000 a lot more stunts than many actors do. But like, 1749 01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:27.239 I'm sure there are a lot of stunt people who 1750 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:29.800 are doing things in here we're not aware of that 1751 01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:34.760 are like, hmmm, a little grumbly, that's right. I'm sure 1752 01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:36.279 there are a lot of visual effects in this movie, 1753 01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:39.680 so I don't want to say like, yeah, no visual effects, 1754 01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:42.039 way to go, Nolan. I'm sure there are tons, but 1755 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.439 you don't notice them. And what he does is the 1756 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:48.279 thing why we always go back to Jurassic Park saying 1757 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.079 why is this movie from nineteen ninety three with these 1758 01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:53.920 computer effects look better than movies now? And it's because 1759 01:32:54.000 --> 01:33:00.760 of the perfect employment yea, you know, the judicious employment 1760 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:04.479 of this we need a computer, this I think will 1761 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:07.439 look and land better if we try it practically, and 1762 01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:09.720 the perfect marriage of those two things. And that's what 1763 01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:13.039 I think he is continuing to do. And that's why 1764 01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:16.039 I didn't Everything looked real to me in this movie 1765 01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:19.840 as crazy as a cyclops. Somehow looked real to me 1766 01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:27.359 in this movie. And yes, I mean this is why 1767 01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:30.640 we go to the theater. I recommend go check this out. 1768 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:33.119 I do want to say specifically for myself, and I 1769 01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:35.119 said this when it was announced that they were going 1770 01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:38.439 to do this movie. I'm not a big Greek mythology person, 1771 01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:42.359 and even as a kid when they taught us these 1772 01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:45.319 stories in school, I just kind of didn't connect with them. 1773 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:48.279 And I'll admit there was a point in the middle 1774 01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:50.960 of this movie where we are going through sort of 1775 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:54.920 these episodes, and some episodes I connected with a little 1776 01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:56.760 bit more than others, and I was a little like, 1777 01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:00.279 oh no, like I'm admiring the grandeur of all this 1778 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:01.840 and the accomplishment of all this. 1779 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:04.000 But you're talking about the middle portion. 1780 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:05.680 Yeah, of the Odyssey, the. 1781 01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:08.119 God damn it, stay on the boat. 1782 01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:12.920 Yes, yes, yes, So I did have this feeling like, oh, okay, 1783 01:34:12.920 --> 01:34:16.479 like I again, scope incredible, but like, am I connecting 1784 01:34:16.520 --> 01:34:19.239 with this? But this is a three hour movie? Like 1785 01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:25.359 stick with it, you know what I mean? And I 1786 01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:27.119 still don't know that I'm like going to go off 1787 01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:29.439 now and read all these stories and feel differently about them. 1788 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.680 But what I do think is that Nolan found a 1789 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:39.039 way to really make me connect with the humanity in 1790 01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:42.479 these fantastical tales and then it all comes together in 1791 01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:48.760 the end to something that just feels human and exhilarating 1792 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:53.399 and emotional. And my theater was cheering over and over 1793 01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:55.520 and I don't clap a lot in theaters, and I 1794 01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:59.039 think I spontaneously clapped like two or three times just 1795 01:34:59.079 --> 01:35:01.920 because it was like, oh, I was so swept up 1796 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:04.760 in it. I just had to let my body, had 1797 01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:09.319 to let up that release. So, yes, this is something 1798 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:11.199 I can't wait to watch again because it's a lot 1799 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:17.159 of movie. It's overwhelming. Yeah, but yeah, that was my 1800 01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:19.399 journey with it, like halfway through, like, yeah, these are 1801 01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:21.760 tales that sometimes I connect with and sometimes I don't, 1802 01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:25.079 but then when it all came together at the end, 1803 01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:27.720 and looking at it as a whole. Like, I mean, 1804 01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:31.199 this is a huge achievement. I really enjoyed it and 1805 01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:32.319 I can't wait to watch it again. 1806 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:37.319 It may well be a career best performance by Matt 1807 01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:41.479 Damon totally. I mean it's you know, and that's saying 1808 01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:47.600 something because my man doesn't miss he's he is consistently good. 1809 01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:50.600 And you think about it. In Interstellar, he plays the 1810 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:53.439 heel yeah, like one of the like a person you 1811 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.359 just want to punch so bad, you know what I mean? 1812 01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:59.600 And then here, you know, it's just amazing. Yeah, like 1813 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:04.000 he he when you look at him, some actors disappear 1814 01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:06.239 and I don't know that Damon always disappears, but he 1815 01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:10.399 always does become that person. Does that make sense? 1816 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:13.960 Well, I mean when you say that, the same guy 1817 01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:19.319 who played Odysseus plays you know, Sonny in Air. Yeah, 1818 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:21.319 you know that's reflective of his range. 1819 01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:23.079 That's well, that's a good point, you know. 1820 01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:24.159 Yeah. 1821 01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:27.800 And what I like about this character too is you know, 1822 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:31.239 I'm sort of conditioned watching a lot of American movies 1823 01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:33.720 to have an idea of what a hero looks like, 1824 01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:36.079 what American movies tell me a hero is like, and 1825 01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:38.079 then occasionally he'll do stuff in this movie where I'm like, 1826 01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:38.720 what are you doing? 1827 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:39.000 Bro? 1828 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:42.319 Yeah, you know, and it took me a second thing 1829 01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:46.600 to be like, oh, he's not like some stoic, perfect hero. 1830 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:50.319 He you know, there's in some translations I think he's 1831 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:54.279 introduced as a complicated man. Yeah, and he is. He 1832 01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:56.800 does some things where you're like, dude, no, what yea? 1833 01:36:57.279 --> 01:36:59.560 But I like that, and I once I got used 1834 01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:02.279 to that and settled into he's not going to be 1835 01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:07.319 that Matt Damon. Yes, you know, you know, follow that 1836 01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:09.159 man anywhere. It's like, no, sometimes he does things I 1837 01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:11.319 don't agree with and I don't sometimes you don't like 1838 01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:17.079 them apples, yes, yes, I like that. It's it's makes 1839 01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:19.159 it a complex story, you. 1840 01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:22.279 Know, before we get into the details. Speaking of Matt Damon, 1841 01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:24.359 I read an interview with him last week where he 1842 01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:27.000 was talking about his just getting in shape for the role, 1843 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:30.359 and he's like, you know, a lot of times I'll 1844 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:33.159 be like, oh, what is my like when are you 1845 01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:36.560 going to shoot like my shirtless scene? And then he 1846 01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:38.680 just prepares for that. But he's like, for this one, 1847 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:40.520 I just wanted to be more steady. I wanted to 1848 01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:43.600 have more of a normal physique and have it be 1849 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:45.560 something achievable for me at my age. I'm like, Okay, 1850 01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:47.760 rock on and then we see him with his shirt off, 1851 01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:50.920 I know, and I'm like, you son of a pitch. 1852 01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:54.560 Yeah, oh that's that's steady for you. 1853 01:37:55.000 --> 01:38:02.520 Yeah, this is that's just mean. Yeah, that's not right Ryan. 1854 01:38:03.479 --> 01:38:06.560 But it's funny because I mean you think about, yeah, 1855 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:09.399 these people rowing boats and you know they would be 1856 01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:12.600 really fit, yeah, right, like just by necessity really or 1857 01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:14.560 just the life that they're leading. And I thought, yeah, 1858 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:15.880 that came across. 1859 01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:20.199 So a couple of points we're talking, We're talking about 1860 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:22.720 Nolan and sort of what you said as far as 1861 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:25.479 like he's like the only guy who can make movies 1862 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.520 like this. Certainly at this point this is his moment. 1863 01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:32.119 And you know, when we were discussing Troy, you know, 1864 01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:34.000 we were talking about the irony of the fact that 1865 01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:37.199 he was attached to do that movie and then just 1866 01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:40.960 the wheel of fate was spinning in a different direction. 1867 01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:44.239 He gets moved off of that, he does Batman and 1868 01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:47.560 then you know, away he goes. But he never lost 1869 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:51.520 the itch to do something in the in the Homeric tradition, right, 1870 01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:54.800 And what you realize is, well, he couldn't have made 1871 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:56.039 this movie in two thousand and four. 1872 01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:58.640 Oh, totally like that. 1873 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:02.359 You know, it's like Fate had other plans for him. 1874 01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:08.920 Mm hmmm. He is Odysseus, that's right. Yeah, this, I 1875 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:13.159 mean thematically, what you realize is is the same way 1876 01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:17.520 Spielberg has the pining for the father, uh you know, 1877 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:19.800 thematic terrain. I think what you realize at Nolan he 1878 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:22.600 has the pining for the children or child thematic terrain. 1879 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:25.439 Yeah. Well that's interesting, yeah. 1880 01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:31.319 Right, very similar, right, and and it's it was very 1881 01:39:31.359 --> 01:39:35.239 gratifying to me watching this because I I I've always 1882 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:37.880 enjoyed the story of the Odyssey. You know, I remember 1883 01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:40.479 I was in I was telling my son that my 1884 01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:44.239 son is he's my second one. He's he's he's like 1885 01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:46.000 a huge Nolan pant. So it's like, oh, we're gonna 1886 01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:48.760 go catch the early one. And he's like, and he 1887 01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:50.960 just he spent the last month like listening to the 1888 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:55.359 audio book of the Odyssey, the Emily Wilson translation, which 1889 01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:57.279 is what this one is based on. And I didn't, 1890 01:39:57.560 --> 01:39:59.319 I mean, I haven't read it since high school. But 1891 01:39:59.359 --> 01:40:01.479 I was telling him, He's like, did you read it 1892 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.000 when you were younger? I was like, well even before 1893 01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:06.800 high school. I you know, we were studying the Odyssey 1894 01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:11.920 in fourth grade and we watched a film strip series. 1895 01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:13.920 Yeah remember film strips? 1896 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:15.039 Yep, yep. 1897 01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:17.239 Like a portion of our audience is like, I don't 1898 01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:17.720 know what that is. 1899 01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:21.560 Yeah, that's your Why do you want to explain it? 1900 01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:23.720 Oh it's I mean I'm trying. It's like you have 1901 01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:29.319 a strip of film and it's it's like in time 1902 01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:32.760 with like an audio tape, and you would like listen 1903 01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:36.439 to the audio and then you would have you know, slides. Basically, 1904 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:37.279 it's like a slide show. 1905 01:40:37.760 --> 01:40:39.279 Yeah, yeah, right right. 1906 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:41.840 And so it was like the whole Odyssey and we 1907 01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:45.399 spent you know, maybe a week going over it, you know, 1908 01:40:46.600 --> 01:40:50.239 and I just I remember being so like pulled in 1909 01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.920 to the emotion of it and everything else that it. 1910 01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:54.920 Watching this movie it took me back to that. 1911 01:40:55.479 --> 01:40:56.760 Oh that's great, you know. 1912 01:40:57.159 --> 01:41:00.760 And again it's like I don't I don't remember the 1913 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:04.439 the intricate details of the story, but you know the episodes, 1914 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:08.680 you know, the the Cyclops and and Circe and you 1915 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:12.239 know Calypso et cetera. You know, the return to Ithaca. 1916 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:14.880 So you know, it hit all those bases but more 1917 01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:20.920 importantly for me it it does the work to make 1918 01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:26.119 to make the film culminate in an emotionally satisfying way. 1919 01:41:26.479 --> 01:41:28.640 Oh man, yeah. 1920 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:32.640 It ended, and without spoiling it, it ended, and I was like, yes, yes. 1921 01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:37.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. There were so many times where 1922 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:40.319 I thought the movie could end here, like would be 1923 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:43.960 really satisfying if things were handled right now, and it 1924 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:48.079 keeps going, and I I was like, well, I guess 1925 01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:49.920 that's just how the story goes, but I wonder if 1926 01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:51.760 there's a way, like you could sort of synch this up, 1927 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:53.239 and it might, you know, you could, you could end 1928 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:56.199 this right now if you wanted. But I was completely wrong. 1929 01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:02.880 The way that it is is executed is just so satisfying, 1930 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:07.279 and I love that it felt very Sometimes you watch 1931 01:42:07.319 --> 01:42:11.279 movies like this and they feel a little like statues 1932 01:42:11.439 --> 01:42:15.640 walking around and interacting with one another, but all the 1933 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:21.720 characters here felt very human, you know, Penelope's experience and 1934 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:27.159 even ultimately what we learn is Odysseus's experience and why 1935 01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:31.520 he feels the way he does. I connected with it 1936 01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:34.239 very much and loved that it was kind of a 1937 01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:39.600 there are you know, seemingly gods and bigger things interacting 1938 01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:41.760 with this story, but it really is about the things 1939 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:45.479 happening inside of everyone that this is really about. And 1940 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:48.039 I thought that was executed really well. 1941 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:52.039 Yeah. I you know, in our conversation about Troy, first 1942 01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:56.199 of all, I should say I was surprised how much 1943 01:42:56.560 --> 01:43:02.560 this film echoes Troy in what way? Well, specifically in 1944 01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:07.039 terms of the fall of Troy. Yeah, oh yes, yes, 1945 01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:12.159 you know, thematically and I would say visually very similar 1946 01:43:12.199 --> 01:43:16.600 in terms of how they're depicted. But what both films 1947 01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:19.800 did in different ways is they put the gods at 1948 01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:24.880 arm's length. Yes, And you know that was something we 1949 01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:28.119 talked about with with Troy, where Peterson was like, well, 1950 01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:34.439 you know, we don't. We want to make it like 1951 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:38.079 the people are making the decisions, you know, as opposed 1952 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:41.920 to Lawrence Olivier in a toga. You know. And I 1953 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:44.000 remember thinking before I saw The Odyssey, I was like, well, 1954 01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.880 the Odyssey is I mean, it is a fantasy story, 1955 01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:53.359 so you know, you can't pretend it's history, right, And 1956 01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:55.680 that is true. Nolan did approach it that way, but 1957 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:59.199 even still, he found an interesting way of weaving in 1958 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:03.920 the gods that to me is very much in line 1959 01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:08.079 with with Peterson's approach. To Troy. Mm hmmm, where And 1960 01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:09.800 I don't think this is a spoiler, but you know, 1961 01:44:11.880 --> 01:44:16.439 there's there's enough vaguary about the gods as they are 1962 01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:19.079 present in this film, you know what I mean? 1963 01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:22.319 No, totally. I mean there are like there are shots 1964 01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:27.920 with you know, Zendea as Athena, and Odysseus is seemingly 1965 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:31.039 interacting with her, but then they'll do another angle and 1966 01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:34.000 you'll see he's by himself, So it could be something internal. 1967 01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:36.399 Is it just is he just imagining something? 1968 01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:36.760 You know? 1969 01:44:37.239 --> 01:44:37.479 Right? 1970 01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:39.439 Right? But I found all this stuff very moving. 1971 01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:43.439 No, I I agree, because because what it's doing is 1972 01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:49.279 it's it's by virtue of framing the Athena character that way, 1973 01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:52.279 it's actually giving some greater insight into into Odysseus's character 1974 01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:54.720 and that you know, we see that play out and 1975 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:59.840 by the time the movie ends. You know, I like 1976 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:03.439 the ambiguity, and obviously that's a that's a place that 1977 01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:08.560 that Nolan enjoys being. But I think what it ultimately 1978 01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:12.439 allows is that you have this very expansive, fantastical story, 1979 01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:20.720 but it's it's situated and concentrated within one person's trauma. 1980 01:45:21.399 --> 01:45:22.199 M right. 1981 01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:25.880 So it's three hours of going through o diseas's ptsd 1982 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:33.079 M and that that's not meant to be a deterrent. 1983 01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:35.399 That's to me, that's fascinating. 1984 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:38.479 Yeah. Yeah, that's the good stuff. Honestly. I mean it 1985 01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:43.119 feels meaty and and human, you know, for for such 1986 01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:45.880 a fantastical and potentially dusty tail. 1987 01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:48.880 Yeah. And and I will say, going in, you know, 1988 01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:52.079 from the trailers, I was like, oh, is the Ithaca 1989 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:53.880 stuff really gonna work for me? 1990 01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:55.640 The Suitors? 1991 01:45:56.039 --> 01:45:58.920 Yeah, the Suitors and just sort of you know, you know, 1992 01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:05.560 Penelope waiting and Telemachus pining and you know, uh, but 1993 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:07.680 I loved all that stuff. That was so like, I 1994 01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:11.640 feel like, and I was on board for all of 1995 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:14.279 the various episodes, which we'll talk about more in spoilers, 1996 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:19.359 But to me, I think the last third was the 1997 01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:23.439 most interesting part of the movie for me. See, do 1998 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:25.079 we want to get into spoilers. 1999 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:25.680 Yeah, I let's do it. 2000 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:37.319 Spoiler spoil away merrill. 2001 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:43.680 Yeah. There was a moment where, you know, the men 2002 01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:46.199 are stranded on a beach, these soldiers, and I was like, wow, 2003 01:46:46.199 --> 01:46:48.680 Nolan really does love soldiers stranded on a beach. 2004 01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:52.640 That Dunkirk shades of Dunkirk can't. 2005 01:46:52.880 --> 01:46:55.119 Yeah, but I guess this isn't spoiler stuff, but I 2006 01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:59.359 also wanted to comment on the score. You know, Nolan 2007 01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:04.479 does this thing where sometimes his movies can feel like 2008 01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:08.920 expansive montages, you know what I mean, Like there's a 2009 01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:11.840 real sort of we don't need to sit in this scene. 2010 01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:13.720 We're just going to show you enough of what's important 2011 01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:16.479 here then go to something else. And there's score that 2012 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:20.239 isn't changing for each moment. It's just droning and pounding 2013 01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:23.079 and pulling you through all these moments collected together, so 2014 01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:26.319 it feels sort of montage like, right, and this one 2015 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:29.359 didn't do that as much, but there are definitely that 2016 01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:34.439 that characteristic of his is present here and it really 2017 01:47:34.439 --> 01:47:36.920 works to amazing effect. I mean, just the ending where 2018 01:47:36.920 --> 01:47:42.279 everything like the screws are tightening and the scores you 2019 01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:45.720 just feel your body like getting dease and you're waiting 2020 01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:49.920 for that release and it's just it works so beautifully. 2021 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:58.079 Well spoiler if I'll say, going back to yes, the 2022 01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:02.520 gods aspect is up for interpretation, but there are fantastical 2023 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:05.600 things happening in this movie that's right, right, And one 2024 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:07.720 of the things that I loved, which is just the 2025 01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:11.880 perfect way for Nolan to interpret this, but it's still fantastical, 2026 01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:12.479 is hades? 2027 01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:14.000 Yeah? 2028 01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:18.239 Oh yeah, I loved it. It was such a brilliant 2029 01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:21.039 Instead of having him go through some sort of cave 2030 01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:23.600 and there's like flames and a river and you know, 2031 01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:29.880 like whatever, just these sort of shadowy people slowly emerging 2032 01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:33.600 from this like soil. I just I thought that was 2033 01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:36.359 executed so well. And that the dead can't speak unless 2034 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:39.199 they put the blood little you know, the blood in 2035 01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:41.319 their mouths and that's what gives them the ability to speak. 2036 01:48:41.359 --> 01:48:42.880 Maybe that's from the story. I don't know, but I 2037 01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:46.720 just it was just the right amount of Maybe that's it. 2038 01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:52.960 Some fantasy just gets a little too away from my 2039 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:56.560 fingertips for me to buy into it, right, So Nolan 2040 01:48:56.640 --> 01:48:59.159 is the perfect guy to bring this story to me 2041 01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:04.760 where I can wrap my arms around it. But it 2042 01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:08.840 is still fantastical, right, And it just really hit a 2043 01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:10.680 sweet spot for me, and that that scene I think 2044 01:49:10.760 --> 01:49:13.479 is the perfect example of that. I don't know what 2045 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:14.000 about for you. 2046 01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:16.680 Well, it is funny that that Nolan sort of gets 2047 01:49:17.199 --> 01:49:20.479 pegged as like the realism guy right when you look 2048 01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:25.560 at like he made Interstellar, he made Inception. You know, 2049 01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:30.000 these these are hard sci fi, hard fantasy stories, right, 2050 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:34.000 And so it's I think it's just sort of like 2051 01:49:34.199 --> 01:49:36.960 a general aesthetic that he embodies that people sort of 2052 01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:39.199 be like, oh, realism. It's like, yeah, but he makes 2053 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:40.560 he makes fantasy films. 2054 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:43.920 You know. That's a key word that you just said, aesthetic. Yeah, 2055 01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:47.079 he says realism aesthetic for like you said, hard sci 2056 01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:47.880 fi concepts. 2057 01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:51.439 Yeah. Well, and and and yeah to your point, right, 2058 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:53.359 it's I mean you look at like the Odyssey, right, 2059 01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:58.720 and you can you can imagine the sort of Lord 2060 01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:04.199 of the Rings esque version, and Nolan goes in a 2061 01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:07.000 different way. And I think the project ends up richer 2062 01:50:07.039 --> 01:50:09.680 as a result, because it's more reflective of his sensibilities. 2063 01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:10.279 Uh. 2064 01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:15.920 And it stands apart and and kind of what we're 2065 01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:21.039 alluding to, I think the fantasy elements all are in 2066 01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:23.880 service of the journey of the character. Right. And this 2067 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:30.319 is where I think it differs tonally from the original 2068 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:34.039 story in that in that the original story is sort 2069 01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:44.319 of vignette, you know, whereas here we're much we're foregrounding. Ah, 2070 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:47.159 we already know kind of where Odysseus ends up, because 2071 01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:50.560 we're doing the usual you know, Nolan jumping around thing, 2072 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:54.399 and so I think that frames the story in a way. 2073 01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:58.119 Where as as as we're jumping around in time, we 2074 01:50:58.199 --> 01:51:01.039 have the ballast of like we know where you know 2075 01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:04.600 what the present is m hm, where he's on the 2076 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:08.119 island with Calypso I think that helps, you. 2077 01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:10.960 Know, Yeah, I saw I haven't read a lot of 2078 01:51:11.319 --> 01:51:14.720 other people's takes on this, but I did see someone say, Okay, well, 2079 01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:18.359 the time jumping stuff worked, but maybe it's time for 2080 01:51:18.439 --> 01:51:20.800 him to retire that. And I was like, he can 2081 01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:23.399 retire it, well, you know, yeah, that's how he cut 2082 01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:26.079 off his hand, you know. I agreed, I mean, yeah, 2083 01:51:26.319 --> 01:51:29.560 but I was like, well, as long as it's working, why, Yeah, 2084 01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:32.720 Like I didn't. I didn't find it to be a gimmick. 2085 01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:34.600 I found it very effective. 2086 01:51:35.479 --> 01:51:42.600 Yeah, I think that Nolan doesn't think linearly. I think 2087 01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:46.479 that's reflected in the stories he tells. H right, going 2088 01:51:46.520 --> 01:51:51.640 from Memento to now every one of these well, I 2089 01:51:51.640 --> 01:51:54.000 mean not so much the Dark Knight sequels, but even 2090 01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:57.560 Batman begins jumps back and forth in time. I think 2091 01:51:57.560 --> 01:52:01.119 that's just how he views stories. Yeah, you know, And 2092 01:52:01.119 --> 01:52:07.079 and so in a way, by by by eschewing linearity, 2093 01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:11.960 he's able to have the various portions of the story 2094 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:13.920 pay off each other in a much more meaningful way. 2095 01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:21.039 I don't just as Oppenheimer ended exactly where it needed 2096 01:52:21.039 --> 01:52:22.439 to in the way it needed to. I feel the 2097 01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:29.319 same way about about this. And by the way, Oppenheimer 2098 01:52:29.439 --> 01:52:33.920 and The Odyssey are like are it's it's it's like 2099 01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:37.680 a it's a hell of a double feature because because 2100 01:52:37.680 --> 01:52:39.800 they're both telling kind of the same story. 2101 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:40.920 Yeah that's true. 2102 01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:44.000 Yeah, you know, yeah, remarkable, Like what a weird sentence 2103 01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:45.079 to say, but it's true. 2104 01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:50.199 Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, a man's tortured soul. 2105 01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:57.319 Yeah, sort of reckoning with the aftermath of what he instigated, 2106 01:52:58.359 --> 01:52:58.680 you know. 2107 01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:02.239 Which I like because, again not being super familiar with 2108 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:08.720 this story, when the Trojan horse is dragged in, you know, 2109 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:12.520 through the walls, it's funny because that was amazing too. 2110 01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:15.359 I mean, the very similitude and whatever you want, realism, 2111 01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:17.760 whatever you want to say about Nolan just making it 2112 01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:20.680 look like, yeah, you need like a hundred hundreds of 2113 01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:22.039 dudes and rope. 2114 01:53:22.159 --> 01:53:24.439 And before you proceed, I just want to say one thing. 2115 01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:28.600 Watching the movie, you see the half buried horse and 2116 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:32.279 just instinctually, I know, you know, where this is headed. 2117 01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:35.199 I'm like, huh, looks like Planet of the Apes. Yeah, 2118 01:53:36.039 --> 01:53:37.880 just just a fleeting thought. And then you send me 2119 01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:39.720 a clip from an interview. I did not convey that 2120 01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:41.600 thought that you send me a clip from interview. He's like, yeah, 2121 01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:43.079 I was thinking a kind of like Planet of the Apes. 2122 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:48.359 I'm like, son of a bitch, you did it, crazy, 2123 01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:50.720 so bit you did it? Sorry, go on. 2124 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:52.520 Oh the second I saw it, I was like, zechy, 2125 01:53:53.600 --> 01:53:56.520 just send it to you. And that was an idea 2126 01:53:56.600 --> 01:53:59.680 he had since the early two thousands. Yeah, when he 2127 01:53:59.720 --> 01:54:02.359 was helping Troy, which is kind of cool. It makes sense. 2128 01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:05.079 He was like, wow, that's something and it just never 2129 01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:10.399 left his mind. But yeah, I love seeing you know, 2130 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:12.560 you watch movies and you can imagine. It's like, yeah, 2131 01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:14.760 we get thirty guys and they push the horse through 2132 01:54:14.760 --> 01:54:17.359 the walls and it's like, no, that would be really hard. 2133 01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:20.239 There's like a lot of human beings inside that thing, 2134 01:54:20.399 --> 01:54:22.359 Like this thing is going to be heavy. And I 2135 01:54:22.399 --> 01:54:24.479 thought they conveyed really well, just no, this is like 2136 01:54:24.520 --> 01:54:29.000 a real task getting this thing inside. But as I 2137 01:54:29.079 --> 01:54:32.119 was watching it, that sequence and the men leaving the 2138 01:54:32.159 --> 01:54:36.960 horse and sneaking through Troy as it sleeps. I was like, man, 2139 01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:39.399 this is brilliant, wow clever, Like I was sort of 2140 01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:42.079 taken with it, like wow, what a great idea. But 2141 01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:48.399 I like then you see them sack Troy and it's horrifying. Yeah, 2142 01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:54.119 it's awful, like assaulting women and just pillaging and murdering 2143 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:57.520 and whatever. And so I was a little surprised, like, oh, 2144 01:54:57.560 --> 01:54:59.840 this reminds me of Troy. It's not shown as this 2145 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:04.239 like accomplishment. And then that winds up being what the 2146 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:07.680 movie is about. That is Odysseus when he's reckoning with 2147 01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:09.960 things at the end, why he resisted going home for 2148 01:55:09.960 --> 01:55:13.119 so long? It's like, am I the man who left 2149 01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:15.159 this place? Like who am I? 2150 01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:15.239 Do? 2151 01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:19.239 I even like who I am? Anymore? Should I come home? 2152 01:55:19.399 --> 01:55:22.800 Like I just found that so rich and understandable relatable 2153 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:24.520 in this fantastic tale, you know. 2154 01:55:25.239 --> 01:55:28.119 Yeah, for Odysseus having come up with the idea of 2155 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:32.560 the horses the equivalent of Oppenheimer, yes, detonating the bomb, 2156 01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:35.000 you know, like perfect. And that's the way the movies 2157 01:55:35.479 --> 01:55:38.399 frame it, like this is like history. There is before 2158 01:55:38.399 --> 01:55:39.119 and there is after. 2159 01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:42.880 Yeah, it's about the spiritual toll that he's carrying. 2160 01:55:43.199 --> 01:55:48.640 That's right. You know, it is interesting. You know, the 2161 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:57.720 the Cyclops is first of all, freaking freaking scary looking amazing, right, 2162 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.640 Like I mean, it's like you go into the movie 2163 01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:02.560 you kind of have a sense of what a cyclops 2164 01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:05.479 is going to look like, yes, and they're like, no, 2165 01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:08.439 we're gonna We're gonna give you some nightmares, you know what. 2166 01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:13.119 I liked too having the eye sideways yep. I was like, huh, 2167 01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:15.800 that's interesting. But then you notice that the nose is 2168 01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:18.600 a little off. It's like, no, yeah, this guy's face 2169 01:56:18.640 --> 01:56:20.680 is just kind of messed up, and that explains why 2170 01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:22.920 he has one eye, you know, like there he had 2171 01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:25.600 to think through, like well, why why is this way? 2172 01:56:25.920 --> 01:56:26.239 That's right? 2173 01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:27.079 And it works. 2174 01:56:28.399 --> 01:56:30.760 Yeah, And and that's again, you know, in in the 2175 01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:34.000 original story, that's very much you know, the the Cyclops 2176 01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:37.079 is under the protection of Poseidon, and so Odysseus is 2177 01:56:37.119 --> 01:56:40.479 and his men offend Poseidon and that's what causes this, 2178 01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.840 and they they do certainly leave that in, but again 2179 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:45.880 it's like, well, is this just their beliefs and they're 2180 01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:46.640 reading into it. 2181 01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:47.840 You know. 2182 01:56:49.279 --> 01:56:52.520 By the way, as horrifying as that monster was, I 2183 01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:55.239 felt really bad for it. Oh yeah, Like when he 2184 01:56:55.680 --> 01:56:58.560 I mean, you know, because he eats a couple soldiers 2185 01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.520 sort of like the Rand Corps and Gmorian Guard or whatever. 2186 01:57:02.920 --> 01:57:05.680 We get that moment. But yeah, when they poke it 2187 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:08.000 in the eye and he's he's yelping, I was like, oh, 2188 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:09.960 this poor guy. 2189 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:13.520 Yeah, no, it's and I'm sure that's by design. That 2190 01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:15.960 was Bill Irwin, by the way, as the Cyclops. 2191 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:17.600 Yeah, I saw that later. 2192 01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:21.039 Right, he's tars I think, right, and an interstellar. 2193 01:57:22.119 --> 01:57:24.279 But the blend, sorry, just before we move on from that, 2194 01:57:24.359 --> 01:57:27.880 the blend of having a real cuman so I don't 2195 01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:29.960 know what it is. Usually in the past it'd be 2196 01:57:29.960 --> 01:57:32.960 rear projection or something. But the way that they blended 2197 01:57:33.079 --> 01:57:37.239 the soldiers looking a size we understand, and then having 2198 01:57:37.279 --> 01:57:39.479 a real human being playing the Cyclops and having them 2199 01:57:39.479 --> 01:57:42.760 meld together, it looked believable. 2200 01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:46.119 Yeah. Well the same with the giants that they encounter 2201 01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:50.239 on the other island. Yeah, I mean you're sort of 2202 01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:52.000 you're looking for the seams a little bit, you know. 2203 01:57:52.359 --> 01:57:53.760 Huh. 2204 01:57:54.039 --> 01:57:57.920 So I had my friend Sawud who listens to the show, 2205 01:57:57.960 --> 01:57:59.279 so I'm going to shout out. He was like, you know, 2206 01:57:59.359 --> 01:58:02.239 is it gonna be scary for kids? And I said, well, 2207 01:58:02.239 --> 01:58:04.840 you know, the Cyclops might be borderline, but I feel 2208 01:58:04.840 --> 01:58:07.319 like Circe, the whole Surce scene, that's gonna be like 2209 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:09.840 generational trauma for a lot of Yeah. 2210 01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:13.319 Yeah, I think you think of a movie like The 2211 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:16.920 Witches or something that was like PG in nineteen ninety 2212 01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:19.399 or whatever like it. To me, it feels like that 2213 01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:21.399 level of scary. 2214 01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:24.960 Yeah. I mean it's I'm as a grown up. I 2215 01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:26.640 was like, eh, right, but I'm like, if you're a 2216 01:58:26.640 --> 01:58:30.000 little kid, oh yeah, as you're watching Samantha Morton just 2217 01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:33.279 like do like silly putty to people and turning him 2218 01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:34.279 into pigs and suff. 2219 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:36.800 Yes, yes, I don't mean to undermine it. I mean, 2220 01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:39.439 I just I just it reminds me of some of 2221 01:58:39.479 --> 01:58:41.640 the horrifying things that people thought were okay to show it. 2222 01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:44.439 If you see it at the right slash wrong age, 2223 01:58:44.479 --> 01:58:47.199 depending how you look at it, Yes, that's gonna stay 2224 01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:48.039 with you. 2225 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:50.319 And you're right, there will be memes in twenty years 2226 01:58:50.359 --> 01:58:52.960 talking about this. Was the like when we talk about 2227 01:58:53.159 --> 01:58:55.680 the horse dying and never ending story and you know, 2228 01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:57.680 those sorts of things for our generation. You're right, I 2229 01:58:57.720 --> 01:58:59.960 think another generation this will be their trauma. 2230 01:58:59.680 --> 01:59:00.640 I have a feeling. 2231 01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:04.960 Yeah, and she's incredible, by the way, Samantha Morton was great. Yeah, 2232 01:59:05.039 --> 01:59:09.279 so like something's wrong with her, you know, and then 2233 01:59:09.279 --> 01:59:13.199 it's just slowly reveals herself. And but she never turns 2234 01:59:13.199 --> 01:59:15.760 into a cackling witch or anything. You know. She she 2235 01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:17.840 feels like very specific. 2236 01:59:18.439 --> 01:59:21.439 Well, I I think that's what makes it work, right, 2237 01:59:21.520 --> 01:59:25.239 like like her whole you know, where she's like, you know, 2238 01:59:25.279 --> 01:59:28.920 a bunch of armed people show up and how am 2239 01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:30.720 I supposed to react? And you hear say that, You're 2240 01:59:30.720 --> 01:59:32.359 like that's fair. 2241 01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:36.159 Yeah, and they are the I don't remember what the 2242 01:59:36.199 --> 01:59:38.359 wording is, but they are the bad people on the 2243 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:40.239 sea people, the sea people. Yeah. 2244 01:59:40.359 --> 01:59:44.920 Yeah, yeah, one thing I will say so, So I 2245 01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:50.560 liked him Esh Patel as as Odysseus's you know, executive 2246 01:59:50.600 --> 01:59:53.920 officer totally, I thought, I thought. But I think the 2247 01:59:53.960 --> 01:59:56.520 problem is that other than him, the rest of the 2248 01:59:56.600 --> 01:59:59.680 crew was kind of just a big mob. 2249 02:00:00.920 --> 02:00:02.920 That's a good point because I was thinking that he 2250 02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:05.359 as the right hand man, sort of feels like us 2251 02:00:05.399 --> 02:00:08.520 sometimes like what are you doing? You'll stop? So I 2252 02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:11.239 really related to him. But that's a good point. Yeah, 2253 02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:13.199 the others just feel sort of like a crowd. 2254 02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:16.439 I think if there is a critique and it's a 2255 02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:19.079 minor one, I would have liked a little bit more 2256 02:00:19.439 --> 02:00:21.439 of a sense of who these people are, so that 2257 02:00:21.640 --> 02:00:24.239 as their numbers start to dwindle, we feel that a 2258 02:00:24.239 --> 02:00:26.600 little bit more like we feel it in the sense 2259 02:00:26.640 --> 02:00:28.920 of like, well, I would not want to have my 2260 02:00:28.960 --> 02:00:32.279 head bitten off by a cyclops. Therefore, I know, but 2261 02:00:33.079 --> 02:00:34.800 we don't. I mean, they all kind of look the 2262 02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:36.680 same too when they're were in the armor and stuff, 2263 02:00:36.680 --> 02:00:40.239 you know, right right. I wonder if there was a 2264 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:41.520 way to lick that. 2265 02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:44.720 Yeah, maybe give one or two or three more people 2266 02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:49.880 distinct personalities, or cast them with recognizable faces. Yeah, different 2267 02:00:49.920 --> 02:00:52.479 voices of reason. You know, this guy's the hot head, 2268 02:00:52.479 --> 02:00:55.760 this guy is the nervous one, this is yeah. 2269 02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:58.119 Oh. I also wanted to mention I loved how they 2270 02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:03.920 executed the sirens sequence. Yeah, oh, he's same, brilliant where 2271 02:01:05.159 --> 02:01:07.119 you know this is like, you know, put put wax 2272 02:01:07.239 --> 02:01:10.319 in the cruise ears so that they don't hear it, 2273 02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:13.279 and then you know when jimeshputelity puts he puts the 2274 02:01:13.279 --> 02:01:16.319 wax in his ears, we shift to his point of view. Yes, brilliant, 2275 02:01:16.319 --> 02:01:18.039 So we never hear the Sirens song. 2276 02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:19.920 Yeah, because what could you possibly pit? 2277 02:01:20.600 --> 02:01:24.640 Exactly so, and we just see Odysseus just going out 2278 02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:25.720 of his mind. Brilliant. 2279 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:28.439 But I also loved my theater laughed a little bit. 2280 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:31.399 I think with the movie where he's like, time me up, 2281 02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:38.319 I want to hear it. Yeah, like bro, he's like 2282 02:01:38.399 --> 02:01:42.399 kind of giddy about it. But then I did love 2283 02:01:42.439 --> 02:01:44.640 that we couldn't hear it, but we're watching the reaction 2284 02:01:44.760 --> 02:01:46.960 on his face, like this is the worst possible thing 2285 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:50.079 you could hear, Like you think, these beautiful women singing 2286 02:01:50.079 --> 02:01:53.880 this song, it may be difficult to resist, but yeah, 2287 02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:55.560 I want to I want to hear it too. I'm 2288 02:01:55.640 --> 02:01:57.920 kind of what could that possibly be? But seeing that 2289 02:01:57.960 --> 02:01:59.640 it ends up being sort of a nightmare for him 2290 02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:02.039 to hear, yeah, is really cool to watch. 2291 02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:12.000 Yeah. Oh uh, we have. We talked right past Tom 2292 02:02:12.039 --> 02:02:14.840 Holland and and all the all the ethic stuff. I mean, 2293 02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:17.920 we'll talk about more about the final sequence. But I 2294 02:02:17.960 --> 02:02:21.319 wanted to mention John Legzamo is awesome in this so good, 2295 02:02:23.000 --> 02:02:24.840 like just just essential, you know. 2296 02:02:25.319 --> 02:02:31.439 Yeah, like immediately has this persona or something where you're like, Okay, 2297 02:02:31.439 --> 02:02:32.239 I'm with this guy. 2298 02:02:32.359 --> 02:02:36.279 M H yeah, yes, right, and they do the thing 2299 02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:38.560 where the faithful dog is waiting for his master to 2300 02:02:38.600 --> 02:02:39.199 come home. 2301 02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:44.479 Which I knew because of you, because of the Troy commentary. Yes, which, dude, 2302 02:02:44.600 --> 02:02:47.000 if you could have heard my theater just when the 2303 02:02:47.079 --> 02:02:51.239 tail wagged, actually we can, I ask real quickly, because 2304 02:02:51.239 --> 02:02:53.680 you were in a theater full of critics. I mean, 2305 02:02:53.680 --> 02:02:57.600 what was the energy like in the room. 2306 02:02:57.920 --> 02:03:02.199 You know, the crowd was island throughout the movie, and 2307 02:03:02.199 --> 02:03:03.680 then the credits come up and it was just the 2308 02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:07.399 whole room you know, went into applause. It was a 2309 02:03:07.399 --> 02:03:09.640 great experience. I mean they were enraptured, you know that. 2310 02:03:10.399 --> 02:03:12.800 It was very It was funny because it was very 2311 02:03:12.840 --> 02:03:17.520 similar to when I watched Interstellar recently, you know, about 2312 02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:19.920 a year or so ago, where nobody wanted to get 2313 02:03:20.000 --> 02:03:23.760 up to go to the bathroom. You know, with Interstellar, 2314 02:03:23.800 --> 02:03:28.880 I SAIDs before where I remember after the water planet 2315 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:33.880 and McConaughey watches the video from his kids and he's crying. 2316 02:03:34.119 --> 02:03:37.159 You know, after that scene, people started getting up to 2317 02:03:37.159 --> 02:03:39.640 go to the bathroom. It was like, it's understanding, like, 2318 02:03:39.680 --> 02:03:41.760 you know, we need to see that scene. Yeah, yeah, 2319 02:03:42.079 --> 02:03:44.920 you know this one. It was I mean, it's a 2320 02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:48.920 long movie. So I I admired the the you know, 2321 02:03:49.039 --> 02:03:54.640 the the the fortitude of people's bowels outed yours. 2322 02:03:55.079 --> 02:03:57.039 I prepared my body, I have to say. 2323 02:03:57.840 --> 02:04:01.920 I so I'm I I got a slurpee, which in 2324 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:07.239 hindsight was a miscalculation because because but by the time 2325 02:04:07.279 --> 02:04:10.000 they were going down the whirlpool, I was I was nearing. 2326 02:04:10.520 --> 02:04:12.960 Myself as concerned. 2327 02:04:14.520 --> 02:04:16.640 No, but but the crowd was totally that was totally 2328 02:04:16.640 --> 02:04:18.640 into it. And that's I mean really like, I think 2329 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:24.760 the movie does the work of establishing the various stakes 2330 02:04:25.359 --> 02:04:29.319 right smartly, cutting back and forth between Ithaca and Odysseus, 2331 02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:33.359 so that by the time Odysseus returns, we're fully invested 2332 02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:35.039 in what's going to happen and we don't know what's 2333 02:04:35.079 --> 02:04:37.239 going to happen. I think that's also helpful. You know, 2334 02:04:39.439 --> 02:04:44.399 I thought Tom Holland was was you know, did the 2335 02:04:44.399 --> 02:04:47.159 work he you know, I think we feel we feel 2336 02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:48.279 invested in him. 2337 02:04:48.800 --> 02:04:51.680 I agree. I mean he's I know, he's getting older, 2338 02:04:51.720 --> 02:04:54.399 but like he still does have a boyish quality to him. 2339 02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:56.840 He's got a couple of years he left of boyishness before. 2340 02:04:57.239 --> 02:05:00.720 Yeah, which works perfectly. You know, Like I him as 2341 02:05:00.720 --> 02:05:05.479 someone you know who's misses his dad or we can't 2342 02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:07.000 even miss him. He's never met him, but like he 2343 02:05:07.199 --> 02:05:10.560 yearns for his dad, he wants to come into his 2344 02:05:10.600 --> 02:05:12.960 own but he also feels like he could be bullied 2345 02:05:13.119 --> 02:05:17.680 slightly by certain people. And I love that sequence when 2346 02:05:18.039 --> 02:05:20.800 that guy when everything's going down at the end and 2347 02:05:20.840 --> 02:05:24.039 the guy is up in the upper room dropping the weapons, 2348 02:05:24.079 --> 02:05:26.319 and Tom Holland is the perfect person to feel like, 2349 02:05:26.359 --> 02:05:28.760 I want him to take this guy on. I hope 2350 02:05:28.760 --> 02:05:30.920 he can do it. And you know what I'm saying 2351 02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:33.479 as opposed to someone who's going up there and you're like, oh, 2352 02:05:33.520 --> 02:05:35.720 he'll do it, you know. And I don't mean that 2353 02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:37.399 in a negative way, Like I just think that's a 2354 02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:41.439 great characterization, Like let's watch him prove that he can 2355 02:05:41.439 --> 02:05:41.680 do it. 2356 02:05:42.720 --> 02:05:45.479 You know what's funny is is just the night before 2357 02:05:46.039 --> 02:05:48.479 I watched The Odyssey, I was watching a Spider Man 2358 02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:51.840 Homecoming and you know, Logan Marshall Green is in that 2359 02:05:55.039 --> 02:05:58.199 Logan Marshall Green, who is he? Like the actor in general? 2360 02:05:58.239 --> 02:06:03.239 Yeahert so he he's well in the Odyssey. He's the 2361 02:06:03.239 --> 02:06:06.399 guy that that that Tom Holland fights. 2362 02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:08.039 Okay, I'm looking him up now. 2363 02:06:08.039 --> 02:06:10.119 But he's in Marshall's. You know, he's the guy, he's 2364 02:06:10.239 --> 02:06:12.640 Casey's like friend and boss. 2365 02:06:13.520 --> 02:06:17.039 Oh okay, you know what I'm talking about it Yeah, no, yeah, 2366 02:06:17.039 --> 02:06:19.439 I'm looking him up now and I see him. 2367 02:06:19.920 --> 02:06:21.920 So he he he has like a small role in 2368 02:06:21.960 --> 02:06:23.560 Spider Man home Coming, and I'm like, you know, this 2369 02:06:23.600 --> 02:06:29.039 guy he gives off like uh he you know, like 2370 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:34.840 stand in John Burnenthal energy. Yeah, totally, especially in Marshall's 2371 02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:36.840 very much. So yeah, so it was funny seeing him 2372 02:06:36.840 --> 02:06:38.840 in this. I was like, hey, it's standing John Berthall 2373 02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:40.560 and then we're gonna see actual John Burthall in a 2374 02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:44.760 little bit. Anyway. That's just a random thought. But speaking 2375 02:06:44.800 --> 02:06:49.119 of John berenthal So, so he plays Menilaus a very 2376 02:06:49.159 --> 02:06:52.760 different Menilais than Brendan Gleeson in tro Yes. Yes, And 2377 02:06:52.760 --> 02:06:54.680 and this gets to what I said during in our 2378 02:06:54.760 --> 02:06:57.319 Troy commentary. I was like, the in the story Menilais 2379 02:06:57.359 --> 02:07:00.159 is a little more sympathetic, a little more complicated, And 2380 02:07:00.199 --> 02:07:04.279 I think this movie handles that pretty well. Like I 2381 02:07:04.279 --> 02:07:05.880 don't think you come off being like, oh, he's a 2382 02:07:05.880 --> 02:07:07.119 good guy, but you are like, well, I don't know 2383 02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:10.920 if he's a bad guy necessarily either you know, yeah, 2384 02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:13.640 and I think burnhal conveys that. I thought the way 2385 02:07:13.680 --> 02:07:16.039 they depict everything that happened to Agamemnon, I thought that 2386 02:07:16.119 --> 02:07:18.840 was great, Yes, right, because I think I did talk 2387 02:07:18.840 --> 02:07:24.479 about that in our commentary. And then of course Helen 2388 02:07:24.640 --> 02:07:31.680 Helen of Troy, Well, what kind of woke nonsense is this? Jeez, 2389 02:07:32.039 --> 02:07:34.159 here's what I love. Here's what I love. For the 2390 02:07:34.239 --> 02:07:36.720 last six months or whatever it's been, you've got these 2391 02:07:36.920 --> 02:07:40.079 these just I'm gonna say, rage grifters. 2392 02:07:41.079 --> 02:07:42.880 Yes, that's a that's a good term. 2393 02:07:43.079 --> 02:07:49.520 Who've been monetizing? Uh, just just hate you know, yeah? 2394 02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:52.479 Oh no, Helen of Troy is black. Oh no, there's 2395 02:07:52.800 --> 02:07:55.359 you know, Elliott Page's in this So what are they 2396 02:07:55.359 --> 02:07:56.159 doing in here? You know? 2397 02:07:56.399 --> 02:07:58.079 And then and right down to even just like the 2398 02:07:58.159 --> 02:08:01.439 armor doesn't look good? Yeah, like just what are you 2399 02:08:01.479 --> 02:08:06.000 just knives out for this thing? For unknown reasons? Monetization? 2400 02:08:06.199 --> 02:08:09.119 Maybe I don't know, that's that's exactly what it is, right, 2401 02:08:09.520 --> 02:08:11.439 And you know, when it comes to Elliott Page, like, oh, 2402 02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:15.680 Elliot Page is playing Achilles. Page is not playing Achilles, right, 2403 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:19.560 And and once that became very clear, that talking point 2404 02:08:19.600 --> 02:08:22.920 shifted to, well, you know, in the story. When Odysseus 2405 02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:26.600 you know, descends to Hades, he encounters the shade of Achilles, 2406 02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:31.960 who tells him, you know, I was fighting for glory 2407 02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:33.920 and there's no glory. There was no point to any 2408 02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:36.479 of it. And so in this they have syn on 2409 02:08:36.560 --> 02:08:40.039 the Ellip Page character. This is this is Hollywood. This 2410 02:08:40.119 --> 02:08:43.239 is their their woke agenda. See they're they're swapping in 2411 02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:47.159 Elliott Page for Achilles, right right. And I'm like, you know, 2412 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:57.399 I just want you people, you fing losers, to die angry, 2413 02:08:57.439 --> 02:09:04.920 just just here streaming down your face, angry dying. 2414 02:09:05.359 --> 02:09:10.960 That's it's so funny because I was feeling like, let 2415 02:09:10.960 --> 02:09:14.560 it go, not me, open your heart, like your world 2416 02:09:14.600 --> 02:09:16.880 for some reason is this like grim black and white, 2417 02:09:16.960 --> 02:09:18.600 like let the color in now. 2418 02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:22.119 But see, this is this is what their algorithms. This 2419 02:09:22.199 --> 02:09:25.399 is how their algorithms have microwaved their brains. 2420 02:09:25.880 --> 02:09:30.359 Yes, you know what, there's no fixing that, you know 2421 02:09:31.039 --> 02:09:33.840 something for some maybe, But I really would like to 2422 02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:37.199 believe that some people can have their hearts opened. I do. 2423 02:09:38.960 --> 02:09:39.920 I respect that, Brian. 2424 02:09:40.880 --> 02:09:42.760 I hope that's my hope. That's my hope. 2425 02:09:42.760 --> 02:09:44.359 But all of that is to say I wanted to 2426 02:09:44.399 --> 02:09:46.920 mention this sin On in the in the underworld scene, 2427 02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:49.520 and and why that matters, Why it matters that it 2428 02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:52.239 is that character and not Achilles, who has no bearing 2429 02:09:52.239 --> 02:09:54.039 on any of the story. It wouldn't it wouldn't mean 2430 02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:58.079 anything if Odysseus meets Achilles, who cares, right, right? We 2431 02:09:58.159 --> 02:10:03.119 need this character because we see the backstory when you know, 2432 02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:06.479 twenty years ago when Odysseus went for war, I mean 2433 02:10:06.479 --> 02:10:12.439 all of it. It matters. It's meaningful and what that 2434 02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:18.239 character represents for Odysseus. This character died because of his lie. 2435 02:10:19.359 --> 02:10:22.159 That matters. That matters in this story that we're watching. 2436 02:10:22.479 --> 02:10:26.600 Yeah, yeah, and I love that whole sequence. And then 2437 02:10:26.600 --> 02:10:30.079 seeing all the soldiers, Oh my gosh, you know, I mean, 2438 02:10:30.359 --> 02:10:33.319 I love me a good ghost army. I've talked about this, 2439 02:10:33.399 --> 02:10:35.840 you know, bed knobs and broomsticks. I've always been fascinated 2440 02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:38.880 by the ghost army and the return of the King. Yeah, 2441 02:10:39.039 --> 02:10:44.239 it's just something cool and scary and intriguing and delicious 2442 02:10:44.239 --> 02:10:46.359 about a ghost army. And so then when yeah, he 2443 02:10:46.399 --> 02:10:49.960 has to literally see the shades of all his fallen men, 2444 02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:52.319 and then they chase him and he's like back. 2445 02:10:52.119 --> 02:10:58.239 To the boat. Now here's a question Yeah, Benny Safty 2446 02:10:58.319 --> 02:11:02.359 Blaze an Agamemnon. Why don't they show his face? 2447 02:11:02.880 --> 02:11:05.119 I yeah, I didn't even know that by the way 2448 02:11:05.279 --> 02:11:07.079 that he was playing him, I don't know. 2449 02:11:08.159 --> 02:11:10.399 I was like trying to place the voice. And then 2450 02:11:10.439 --> 02:11:12.159 we see from the back when they take the helmet 2451 02:11:12.199 --> 02:11:13.520 off and he sees curly hair. I was like, oh, 2452 02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:14.319 that's Benny's safety. 2453 02:11:15.199 --> 02:11:15.479 Wow. 2454 02:11:15.920 --> 02:11:18.039 You know, but I was wondering about that, you know, 2455 02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:22.640 I and I'm sure there is an artistic reason, but 2456 02:11:22.680 --> 02:11:23.439 I was just wondering about that. 2457 02:11:23.520 --> 02:11:25.399 Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, I mean, obviously it's 2458 02:11:25.439 --> 02:11:27.600 a decision and he wants us to feel a certain way, 2459 02:11:27.640 --> 02:11:31.479 but I'm not. I mean maybe because he takes his 2460 02:11:31.600 --> 02:11:32.479 orders from him. 2461 02:11:33.479 --> 02:11:38.399 Right, So so I you know, possibly by by making 2462 02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:43.319 Agamemnon like a faceless presence, it puts the onus more 2463 02:11:43.359 --> 02:11:47.600 on Odysseus. Yeah right, you know that this is a 2464 02:11:47.640 --> 02:11:49.800 thing he did. You can't pawn it off on Well. 2465 02:11:49.840 --> 02:11:51.880 I did it because that guy, you know, the king, 2466 02:11:52.199 --> 02:11:53.399 ordered me to that type of thing. 2467 02:11:54.439 --> 02:11:57.199 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, you know, you know, real 2468 02:11:57.239 --> 02:12:00.399 quick before we get to the ending. Yeah, and the suitors, 2469 02:12:00.439 --> 02:12:01.720 I know you want to talk about that. I do 2470 02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:06.119 want to say, uh, before I forget going back to 2471 02:12:06.319 --> 02:12:10.520 Zendia and the Athena thing and it possibly it could 2472 02:12:10.520 --> 02:12:13.600 be in his head or whatever. I was so struck 2473 02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:16.279 by that moment during the sacking of Troy where she's 2474 02:12:16.319 --> 02:12:20.119 in those soldiers' arms and they're gonna put the sword, 2475 02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:22.119 you like, cut her head off, right, And I was like, wait, 2476 02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:24.640 what I don't understand. And then when you see her 2477 02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:30.560 statue get beheaded, I was like, brilliant, Yeah, brilliant and 2478 02:12:30.760 --> 02:12:36.439 just whatever she is, whatever she means to Odysseus, right, 2479 02:12:36.479 --> 02:12:37.399 that's what that is? 2480 02:12:38.159 --> 02:12:41.520 That right exactly, because because that when we see her 2481 02:12:41.800 --> 02:12:45.159 for real in Troy, what is that a real person 2482 02:12:45.279 --> 02:12:47.720 who Odysseus witnessed being killed? 2483 02:12:48.119 --> 02:12:51.119 H Well, and because they say you don't know when 2484 02:12:51.159 --> 02:12:53.880 you entertained strangers who could be a god and who isn't? Right? 2485 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:56.840 Yeah, I mean I think all that worked. Actually, And 2486 02:12:57.159 --> 02:12:58.800 while we're talking about the gods, I wanted to mention 2487 02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:00.920 Calypso because we haven't really talked to about Charlie's Thearren. 2488 02:13:02.319 --> 02:13:04.399 I think my only complaint is I would have liked 2489 02:13:05.439 --> 02:13:08.039 more of her and just have a greater sense of 2490 02:13:08.960 --> 02:13:13.920 her connection to Odysseus and and why she has kept 2491 02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:15.800 him there you know she, I mean we mentioned that 2492 02:13:15.800 --> 02:13:17.159 she fell in love with him. 2493 02:13:17.319 --> 02:13:18.760 Yeah, and I want to know how I can sign 2494 02:13:18.840 --> 02:13:20.000 up for a situation like that. 2495 02:13:20.199 --> 02:13:23.680 Yeah, seven years on an island with Charlie's theren. Don't 2496 02:13:23.680 --> 02:13:25.239 threaten me with a good time, right. 2497 02:13:26.279 --> 02:13:28.520 No, I'm with you. I'm with you. It's you sort 2498 02:13:28.520 --> 02:13:32.399 of have to process it yourself a little bit. The 2499 02:13:32.439 --> 02:13:35.439 movie doesn't sort of you know, it's just very matter 2500 02:13:35.479 --> 02:13:37.640 of fact, and we're already caught up in what's happened, 2501 02:13:37.640 --> 02:13:38.880 like it's just being told to us. 2502 02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:41.600 Yeah. I mean, basically, if you of construct the timeline, 2503 02:13:41.640 --> 02:13:46.399 we have the we have the sacking of Troy Odysseus leaves, 2504 02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:51.800 he has one shitty year, it's just the worst year 2505 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:54.439 any person can have, and then he has seven years 2506 02:13:54.479 --> 02:13:58.600 on an island of Charlie's there, right, which he viewed 2507 02:13:58.600 --> 02:14:06.520 as as torture. Okay, let's talk about the ending. 2508 02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:11.000 Yeah, yeah, well, yes, even her like she she's a 2509 02:14:11.079 --> 02:14:13.560 very matter of fact in the way that she presents everything, 2510 02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:15.920 and it would be interesting to see even her a 2511 02:14:15.920 --> 02:14:19.199 little more I don't know, attracted to him or like 2512 02:14:19.359 --> 02:14:21.199 in love with him. She says she's in love with him, 2513 02:14:21.199 --> 02:14:24.720 but it doesn't I wasn't feeling that. Yeah, but yeah, 2514 02:14:25.000 --> 02:14:29.439 so I understand what you're saying anyway, Yes, the ending, Yeah, 2515 02:14:29.479 --> 02:14:31.479 we get well, we get to it's it's a it's 2516 02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:36.199 Spider Man versus Batman. Yeah, that's right, with Jason Bourne 2517 02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:40.840 looking on, Yeah. Yeah, and Catwoman. 2518 02:14:40.600 --> 02:14:43.960 Yeah, exactly, all fighting for the for the attention of Catwoman. 2519 02:14:44.199 --> 02:14:45.159 Yeah. 2520 02:14:45.239 --> 02:14:49.960 I said in our Dark Knight Rises commentary track, we 2521 02:14:49.960 --> 02:14:52.600 were this is four years ago and we were talking 2522 02:14:52.600 --> 02:14:55.319 about Anne Hathaway in the film, and you know, we 2523 02:14:55.319 --> 02:14:57.640 were complimenting her performance, and I was I was making 2524 02:14:57.680 --> 02:14:59.680 a joke. I was like, oh, well, Anne Hathaway, she's 2525 02:14:59.720 --> 02:15:03.199 like forty now, so there's no roles left for her 2526 02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:08.000 in Hollywood except to play Tom Holland's mom in Something Right. 2527 02:15:08.640 --> 02:15:11.479 And I was joking because I was commenting on how 2528 02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:13.880 Hollywood treats women over. 2529 02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:14.520 A certain age. 2530 02:15:15.479 --> 02:15:18.359 I did not think Christopher Nolan would listen to our 2531 02:15:18.399 --> 02:15:23.920 commentary track and be like, say, that's a good idea, 2532 02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:26.800 but I buy both. I thought they were It's actually 2533 02:15:26.800 --> 02:15:29.359 I think this is a fantastic performance by Aneathaway. She's 2534 02:15:29.520 --> 02:15:30.319 really good in this. 2535 02:15:30.600 --> 02:15:34.199 Yeah, the emotions just feel so guttural and real and 2536 02:15:34.840 --> 02:15:39.279 just what, you know, trying to keep herself composed by 2537 02:15:40.000 --> 02:15:44.600 you know, anguishing her her missing husband and angry. Yeah, 2538 02:15:44.640 --> 02:15:47.600 you know, like all of it. She's she's sad, she's angry, 2539 02:15:47.720 --> 02:15:51.439 she's desperate. Uh it's yeah. I was like, oh, she's 2540 02:15:51.479 --> 02:15:52.479 gonna get nominated. 2541 02:15:53.239 --> 02:15:55.520 Oh yeah, oh no, that's a coming. Yeah. Didn't you 2542 02:15:55.560 --> 02:15:58.720 just want to see her smack around me a goth? Yes? 2543 02:15:58.960 --> 02:16:01.119 Well I did love her moment where she's like you 2544 02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:04.640 this pearl? Yeah right right if I did, Like, she's like, yeah, 2545 02:16:04.680 --> 02:16:07.640 your place is down there and she shuts the little 2546 02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:10.560 you do it. Yeah, that was great. 2547 02:16:11.399 --> 02:16:13.439 Pattinson is a lot of fun to watch in this, 2548 02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:15.479 and it was funny. I was I was feeling like 2549 02:16:15.560 --> 02:16:19.560 bipolar because I just last week watched The Batman. Oh 2550 02:16:19.560 --> 02:16:22.079 okay parts of The Batman, and I'm like, man, he's 2551 02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:24.520 such a good Batman, And I'm like, man, he's able 2552 02:16:24.520 --> 02:16:29.239 to bounce effortlessly between wildly different characters, you know. 2553 02:16:29.479 --> 02:16:31.600 Yeah him, And I was happy to see Corey Hawkins. 2554 02:16:31.680 --> 02:16:33.879 Corey Hawkins also liked him. Yeah. 2555 02:16:33.920 --> 02:16:35.520 For me, the first time I saw him was when 2556 02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:37.639 he played doctor dre and straight out of Compton, and 2557 02:16:37.639 --> 02:16:39.280 I just thought he made such an impression and I 2558 02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:41.200 haven't seen him a lot, and I liked the two 2559 02:16:41.239 --> 02:16:44.159 of them just being these uchebags, you know, like he 2560 02:16:44.280 --> 02:16:46.559 just so badly want to see them get their come. 2561 02:16:46.440 --> 02:16:50.879 Up and you want their upons to happen. So yeah, well, I, 2562 02:16:51.639 --> 02:16:54.399 like I said earlier, there's nothing like the sound of 2563 02:16:54.440 --> 02:17:00.600 Odysseus just letting arrows fly. Yes, what was so the whole? 2564 02:17:00.680 --> 02:17:02.879 The whole, I mean, this is the thing right where. 2565 02:17:03.159 --> 02:17:05.799 I mean I know the story right broadly, so I 2566 02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:07.600 know where it called many is, but I like how 2567 02:17:08.479 --> 02:17:10.719 even still, I was like, what's going to happen? Right? 2568 02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:11.959 And I think that's the real trick. 2569 02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:14.040 Well, that's the thing, right, And that's what I was 2570 02:17:14.079 --> 02:17:18.440 alluding to earlier, was when he Odysseus is dressed up 2571 02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:21.200 like the beggar and he goes into the place and 2572 02:17:21.239 --> 02:17:24.200 then you know the I think it was Pattinson like 2573 02:17:24.239 --> 02:17:27.399 spits or maybe it was uh Korrey Hawkins spits into 2574 02:17:27.440 --> 02:17:30.600 the bowl at krey Hocken, And so I was like 2575 02:17:30.639 --> 02:17:33.719 ready for him to go all Schwartzenegger and like, oh yeah, 2576 02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:35.920 and then like take the robe off and then just 2577 02:17:36.040 --> 02:17:38.719 like pul out his lightsaber and just hack everybody down. 2578 02:17:38.920 --> 02:17:41.479 You're like, that's what I was expecting and I wanted that, 2579 02:17:42.200 --> 02:17:44.479 but right, and but then it just keeps going and going. 2580 02:17:44.520 --> 02:17:46.639 I'm like, where are we going this? I know it's 2581 02:17:46.680 --> 02:17:48.639 going somewhere and this is what the story is, but. 2582 02:17:48.639 --> 02:17:51.360 I mean, this is this is a total righteous vengeance situation. 2583 02:17:51.799 --> 02:17:54.120 Yes, oh totally. But like I thought you could have 2584 02:17:54.159 --> 02:17:56.239 had that big moment there, and maybe a modern story 2585 02:17:56.280 --> 02:17:59.319 would have, but it is so much more satisfying where it. 2586 02:18:02.200 --> 02:18:04.239 I mean, because it's not even just like then he 2587 02:18:04.280 --> 02:18:07.239 gets this nice reunion with Penelope. It's like he gets 2588 02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:10.760 to really spill his soul in a unique way to 2589 02:18:10.879 --> 02:18:15.479 her before it's revealed, and her just finally just giving up, 2590 02:18:16.040 --> 02:18:19.680 but setting up that unique, you know, challenge for the 2591 02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:23.440 suitors to have to complete, and it's just so satisfying. 2592 02:18:23.879 --> 02:18:27.319 Yeah. I mean, well, I think one of the great 2593 02:18:27.319 --> 02:18:30.079 applause moments if I had been with a more applaud 2594 02:18:32.200 --> 02:18:36.079 centric crowd, is when Corey Hawkin goes, you're Odysseus arrow. 2595 02:18:35.959 --> 02:18:42.079 In the throat, dude, my theater erupted, erupted. Well, and 2596 02:18:42.120 --> 02:18:44.479 then that moment too, where it's in the trailer and 2597 02:18:44.520 --> 02:18:46.639 I was like, oh, yeah, that's a good moment where 2598 02:18:48.479 --> 02:18:51.399 Odysseus is like, you know, I'm taking I'm coming back 2599 02:18:51.440 --> 02:18:54.239 for all of it, or whatever he says. But in 2600 02:18:54.280 --> 02:18:56.600 this screening, with all of the context and he's like 2601 02:18:56.639 --> 02:18:59.000 I'm here for all of it, my theater just went 2602 02:18:59.159 --> 02:19:02.959 yes because we knew something amazing was about to happen. 2603 02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:08.799 He is just launching arrows left, right and center. Yeah, yeah, 2604 02:19:08.879 --> 02:19:11.840 very It was very cathartic, and you know. 2605 02:19:12.120 --> 02:19:16.280 He's obviously showing great skill, but it wasn't like you know, 2606 02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:19.200 the Rock where he's just hits, he doesn't get scathed, 2607 02:19:19.479 --> 02:19:22.799 and he is hitting everybody. There's challenge and he gets pummeled. 2608 02:19:22.799 --> 02:19:25.719 And then I loved it was so satisfying when Tom 2609 02:19:25.760 --> 02:19:28.159 Holland is up there and he takes that guy out 2610 02:19:28.159 --> 02:19:31.280 and he drops the sword down through the hole, you know, 2611 02:19:31.559 --> 02:19:33.760 and he's got arrows sticking out of his back and 2612 02:19:33.799 --> 02:19:36.239 he's fighting everybody off. Oh amazing. 2613 02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:39.840 Yeah. I mean he looked like a pincushion at the 2614 02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:40.440 end of it, you. 2615 02:19:40.399 --> 02:19:41.840 Know, yeah, yeah. 2616 02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:45.559 I was also you know, at the climax with Pattinson, 2617 02:19:45.879 --> 02:19:49.879 I was waiting for the usual thing where he's got 2618 02:19:49.879 --> 02:19:52.040 his enemy dead to rights and he's like you're not 2619 02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:55.120 worth it, you know, Oh yeah sure, And I'm like, no, no, 2620 02:19:55.159 --> 02:19:56.159 this guy got to die. 2621 02:19:56.559 --> 02:19:59.079 Yeah yeah, that was pretty sad. 2622 02:19:59.319 --> 02:19:59.440 You know. 2623 02:19:59.479 --> 02:20:01.879 I love too the but it wasn't just like some 2624 02:20:02.040 --> 02:20:04.280 pithy line than a sword through the chest or something. 2625 02:20:04.520 --> 02:20:07.959 He like actually gave a message when you go to hell, yeah, 2626 02:20:08.040 --> 02:20:12.840 you know, like, yeah, tell my men, Yeah, then I 2627 02:20:12.879 --> 02:20:15.680 will go into exile to honor them. Thank you soon, 2628 02:20:18.360 --> 02:20:21.360 which is kind of colder and cooler in a way, 2629 02:20:21.440 --> 02:20:23.760 like I'm going to dispatch you in a second, but 2630 02:20:23.840 --> 02:20:25.000 you're going to do something for me. 2631 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:26.040 Yeah. 2632 02:20:26.159 --> 02:20:26.840 Yeah. 2633 02:20:26.879 --> 02:20:30.600 Well, so speaking of of Odysseus going to exile, that's 2634 02:20:30.600 --> 02:20:34.399 a change from the story, Oh tell me, because in 2635 02:20:34.440 --> 02:20:37.040 the story he returns to Ithaca, he defeats the suitors, 2636 02:20:37.040 --> 02:20:42.840 he claims his thrown the end, and I think Nolan 2637 02:20:42.959 --> 02:20:46.760 found a more elegant way to end the story. I mean, 2638 02:20:46.840 --> 02:20:49.239 I was like, because it for a second there it 2639 02:20:49.239 --> 02:20:53.639 seems like he's going to die, right, And I was like, oh, okay, 2640 02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:55.559 you know, and and I was like I'm not sure 2641 02:20:55.559 --> 02:20:58.399 how I feel about that. And then you know, that 2642 02:20:58.399 --> 02:21:00.719 that itself was a mistrect And then I'm like, you know, 2643 02:21:00.879 --> 02:21:06.520 to quote Brian Chef's kiss, Yeah, it feels tonally and 2644 02:21:06.520 --> 02:21:11.399 spiritually right to me. Yeah. Well, especially because by virtue 2645 02:21:11.440 --> 02:21:13.879 of how how he chooses to wrap it up, we 2646 02:21:13.879 --> 02:21:20.239 we end on Odysseus uh after uh Troy or in 2647 02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:24.760 Troy to help us understand why he makes the decision 2648 02:21:24.799 --> 02:21:28.280 he made right, He's not he has to pay a 2649 02:21:28.319 --> 02:21:30.120 cost for what he did. 2650 02:21:30.399 --> 02:21:32.680 Right. He wouldn't feel right just sitting back on a 2651 02:21:32.719 --> 02:21:36.200 throne as king, right exactly. He's got to uh, you know, 2652 02:21:36.319 --> 02:21:37.239 a tone a little bit. 2653 02:21:37.520 --> 02:21:39.799 And and we've been on enough of a journey with 2654 02:21:39.799 --> 02:21:43.239 Telemachus where we know this kid has earned it as well. 2655 02:21:43.959 --> 02:21:48.280 He's earned the throne right, you know. And that's that's tricky, 2656 02:21:48.399 --> 02:21:52.520 you know, because because I think the danger is like 2657 02:21:52.799 --> 02:21:55.959 you don't spend enough time on on Telemachus or with 2658 02:21:56.000 --> 02:22:00.920 Telemachus to to see that he himself is is just 2659 02:22:01.000 --> 02:22:03.680 as worthy of admiration or following, you know, but they 2660 02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:05.760 manage both. Yeah. 2661 02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:08.879 I wonder if it'd be a circumstance like with Stephen 2662 02:22:08.959 --> 02:22:11.719 King in the Mist where he saw the film ending 2663 02:22:11.879 --> 02:22:13.600 was like, oh that was a good idea. Yeah, I 2664 02:22:13.600 --> 02:22:16.639 actually liked that better. If Homer could see this and go, oh, 2665 02:22:16.760 --> 02:22:21.040 very good, I see what you did. 2666 02:22:21.440 --> 02:22:24.000 Yeah, I mean I think it works, and I think, 2667 02:22:24.040 --> 02:22:27.600 I mean it stays true to the broad strokes of 2668 02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:30.280 what Homer did, you know, but it also a just 2669 02:22:31.520 --> 02:22:34.319 based on the specific story that Nolan is telling, right, 2670 02:22:34.360 --> 02:22:40.280 and much more about the lasting impact of trauma. It 2671 02:22:40.360 --> 02:22:44.639 all worked for me, man, I'm and it. Honestly, it 2672 02:22:44.680 --> 02:22:46.559 makes me really happy that there's gonna be a lot 2673 02:22:46.559 --> 02:22:51.200 of people watching this movie because because I think it's 2674 02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:55.479 you know, sometimes faith has to be rewarded. 2675 02:22:58.040 --> 02:22:58.079 C. 2676 02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:02.920 Montage from the end of Dark Knight, Right's right. You know, 2677 02:23:03.120 --> 02:23:06.479 people people have been waiting for this and they're going 2678 02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:09.120 to walk out satisfied. That makes me really happy. 2679 02:23:09.239 --> 02:23:13.840 I think so too. I think I saw a short 2680 02:23:14.000 --> 02:23:16.440 sort of summery you put on social media where you 2681 02:23:16.440 --> 02:23:17.920 said this is going to be like Lord of the Rings. 2682 02:23:17.959 --> 02:23:20.719 People are going to keep coming back to this, you 2683 02:23:20.719 --> 02:23:22.479 know this, that's how this movie is going to live on, 2684 02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:24.000 And I agree, I think so too. 2685 02:23:25.680 --> 02:23:26.680 Yeah, I have a feeling. 2686 02:23:27.200 --> 02:23:31.120 Yeah, And it's one thing that it's good, but it's 2687 02:23:31.159 --> 02:23:36.520 also a great theatrical experience and if you have the ability, 2688 02:23:37.040 --> 02:23:40.879 you know, the time and the everything. I highly recommend 2689 02:23:40.959 --> 02:23:46.479 going out and seeing this because this was the first 2690 02:23:46.520 --> 02:23:49.200 movie shot every frame was shot with an Imax camera, 2691 02:23:49.920 --> 02:23:51.879 and I know not everyone can get to Imax screens. 2692 02:23:51.920 --> 02:23:57.159 There's actually a limited amount in the world. But everything 2693 02:23:57.200 --> 02:24:00.680 that is in the frame, you know, just the effort 2694 02:24:00.879 --> 02:24:05.719 and the colossal just scope of this film is just 2695 02:24:06.520 --> 02:24:11.399 something worth seeing as big and as loud as possible. Yeah, 2696 02:24:11.559 --> 02:24:14.319 So that's just it. It's like a bonus to just 2697 02:24:14.319 --> 02:24:15.040 being a good. 2698 02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:16.280 Movie to totally agree. 2699 02:24:16.520 --> 02:24:17.239 Yeah. 2700 02:24:17.479 --> 02:24:20.159 Nice. Well, two big thumbs up for the Odyssey. 2701 02:24:20.760 --> 02:24:22.559 Yeah, yeah, very nice. 2702 02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:25.440 Well, well, everybody listening, let us know your thoughts on 2703 02:24:25.479 --> 02:24:27.600 the Odissey and let us know your thoughts on our thoughts. 2704 02:24:27.680 --> 02:24:30.399 You can email us at moviefilmpodcast at gmail dot com. 2705 02:24:30.399 --> 02:24:32.959 You can also hit like on our Facebook page Facebook 2706 02:24:32.959 --> 02:24:35.959 dot com slash movie Film Podcast and message us there. 2707 02:24:36.120 --> 02:24:38.559 As always, please go to Apple podcast, leave review, leave 2708 02:24:38.559 --> 02:24:40.680 a star rating. 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Here is a clip from a couple of 2742 02:26:12.879 --> 02:26:16.520 years back of Sam Neil, the late Great Sam Neil, 2743 02:26:16.920 --> 02:26:21.559 telling us about what he dreams of, and I think 2744 02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:24.440 it's something we can all dream of. Rest in peace, 2745 02:26:24.639 --> 02:26:27.920 mister Neil. We will miss you very very much. 2746 02:26:28.639 --> 02:26:36.399 Do I have a dream? I think I'd like a 2747 02:26:36.559 --> 02:26:40.079 night where there's no dreams. I'd like a morning when 2748 02:26:40.079 --> 02:26:44.959 I wake up and there's really nothing on the news, 2749 02:26:45.200 --> 02:26:48.600 when everything just returns to dull. 2750 02:26:50.399 --> 02:26:56.360 And there's nothing to report, and there's no pestilence and 2751 02:26:56.440 --> 02:27:06.159 there's no war and there's no aggression, and people that just. 2752 02:27:02.959 --> 02:27:05.760 Just leaving it alone and getting on with each other. 2753 02:27:07.360 --> 02:27:12.200 Will might be nice the surface three foot high. 2754 02:27:12.280 --> 02:27:17.120 Today, chickens are laying in central Ittago in New Zealand. 2755 02:27:19.520 --> 02:27:25.680 The football will be played as usual on Saturday. Someone 2756 02:27:26.559 --> 02:27:30.079 might win, but probably everyone will just have a draw. 2757 02:27:32.479 --> 02:27:36.920 There's nothing happening. That's my dream. 2758 02:27:37.079 --> 02:27:37.440 It's just 2759 02:27:39.680 --> 02:27:41.440 Been nice.