Speaker 1: Welcome friends, Jacky.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three forty seven. I
Speaker 2: am Zaki has Son. I'm here with Brian Hall.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's going, Zachie, it's going.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to discuss our movie for today. Oh Man,
Speaker 2: me too, But we have we have other business before that.
Speaker 2: But what have what have you seen? Other than that?
Speaker 2: I should say, you know, you and I we had
Speaker 2: a really fun discussion just just a couple of days
Speaker 2: ago talking about the new Evil Dead movie, the new
Speaker 2: Minions movie. We did a deep dive into obsession.
Speaker 3: Yes, we finally got into spoiler territory. So I think
Speaker 3: that conversation was about forty minutes long. I mean it
Speaker 3: was like a full on spoiler filled review and it
Speaker 3: was really fun, like hearing your your t on it
Speaker 3: because you just watched it recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you are hearing us say this and
Speaker 2: you're like, wait, I don't remember that, well, that's because
Speaker 2: you got to head over to our Patreon feed to
Speaker 2: hear that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's part of one of our bonus conversations that
Speaker 3: we drop over there about twice a month over at
Speaker 3: patreon dot com. Slash MOVIEFILM podcasted has all our commentaries,
Speaker 3: all our regular episodes without ads and bonus conversations where
Speaker 3: we'll get into reviews occasionally, trailer talk, just all sorts
Speaker 3: of conversations that just don't fit into the regular episode, So.
Speaker 2: You never know what's going to pop up over there exactly.
Speaker 3: You know, I have to This is a little out
Speaker 3: of date now, but I just had to share this
Speaker 3: with you because I thought you might appreciate it. But
Speaker 3: going back to Disclosure Day, Yes, So I had to
Speaker 3: call customer service the other day for something, and while
Speaker 3: the woman was working on whatever, she said, you know,
Speaker 3: I've been wanting to check out the movie Disclosure Day.
Speaker 3: She's like, have you have you seen?
Speaker 2: How in the hell does that come up?
Speaker 3: I am sure we were talking about movies or something.
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but she was like, I'm interested in
Speaker 3: Disclosure Day. Have you seen it? And I go yeah.
Speaker 3: She goes, oh is it good? And I went here's
Speaker 3: the thing and I was like, look, I yes, I
Speaker 3: mean if you like Spielberg. And I went into like
Speaker 3: a real like confusing ramble about my feelings about it,
Speaker 3: and she you could hear her. She was just like, well,
Speaker 3: I like E. T. And then I was like yeah,
Speaker 3: go see it. I was like, she didn't ask for
Speaker 3: like a seven minute And so then later I have
Speaker 3: a friend named Carly and she and I play Cinematrix
Speaker 3: every morning, like we send the puzzles to each other.
Speaker 3: And then this was like a week or two ago,
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, I have a Friday afternoon off. I
Speaker 3: was thinking about seeing Disclosure Day? Should I Should I
Speaker 3: check it out? I was like, well, and then I
Speaker 3: wrote this paragraph trying to explain my complicated feelings on it,
Speaker 3: and she literally wrote back, I don't understand any of
Speaker 3: what you just said.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I'm not reading all that, but I'm
Speaker 2: sorry that happened, or I'm happy for you.
Speaker 3: Exactly, yes, exactly. But I was like, yeah, I just
Speaker 3: really need to figure out I still haven't whittled down
Speaker 3: like a bite sized version of how I feel about
Speaker 3: that movie. But I thought you might appreciate that.
Speaker 2: How many times have you seen it?
Speaker 3: Twice?
Speaker 2: Twice? Okay? Yeah, okay, well yeah, i'd say your feelings
Speaker 2: are pretty locked in at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, for sure, they just use a lot of words
Speaker 3: because they're complicated, but you know, and something else. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I just have to bring this up because this happened
Speaker 3: right before we got on air. Have you heard I
Speaker 3: got an advertisement, like a suggested thing, I think for
Speaker 3: a video game called Powerwash Simulator. Have you heard of this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: So apparently it's a video game where all you do
Speaker 3: is operate a powerwasher. Okay, and so you you know
Speaker 3: you've seen these videos. They're sort of soothing to a
Speaker 3: certain set of people where it's like, you know, you
Speaker 3: have a dirty carpet or a house it's just caked
Speaker 3: in mud and grime. But you work a powerwasher. Someone
Speaker 3: works a powerwasher and slowly, you know, line by line,
Speaker 3: takes all this grime off of the house. Well, someone
Speaker 3: turned that into a video game and for powerwasher No sorry,
Speaker 3: Powerwash Simulator two there is a Star Wars edition. Wow,
Speaker 3: so now you can powerwash at at walkers like the
Speaker 3: Millennium Falcon and this is available on Xbox PS five
Speaker 3: the switch And I was like, I want to do that.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I just thought that was such an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know, doesn't Powerwash Simulator sound like something it
Speaker 2: would be like Conan you know, those like cable channels.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes it does. But I love that because I've
Speaker 3: seen those videos before. And I do find them soothing,
Speaker 3: and it's funny that enough people feel that same way
Speaker 3: that they've made a video game out of it, and
Speaker 3: even someone is like, you know, what'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 3: I kind of want to I kind of want to
Speaker 3: Powerwasha X Wing. I just I don't know, I haven't
Speaker 3: looked at the price yet, but let's just say I'm interested.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, they got the Brian vote.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, well, have you have you seen anything else? Anything
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about in our in our bonus show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we've got a full episode here. So
Speaker 3: I'll go through these a little quickly, but I do
Speaker 3: want to mention that this past weekend I got to
Speaker 3: see a concert. It was the music of Wes Anderson
Speaker 3: at the Hollywood Bowl, And so you know the Hollywood
Speaker 3: Bowl out here in Los Angeles. They'll do all sorts
Speaker 3: of things. They have the La Philharmonic playing Mozart and
Speaker 3: then sometimes the music of John Williams, or they'll have
Speaker 3: I know, Muse is going to be here in a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, but they'll do these really interesting specific
Speaker 3: sorts of programs sometimes, like I mean, the music of
Speaker 3: Wes Anderson and I love Wes Anderson, as longtime listeners know,
Speaker 3: and at first I was like, oh, that sounds really interesting.
Speaker 3: I wonder what that would be like. And I wasn't
Speaker 3: sure if I was going to go or not, and
Speaker 3: I ended up going at the last minute. And I
Speaker 3: don't know how I could have possibly missed this, Like
Speaker 3: this was so special. It was m seed by Bill Murray,
Speaker 3: so that was pretty fun. He came out in a
Speaker 3: zizu you know white sorry read tuk, you know, like
Speaker 3: his character in that film, and a cigarette in his mouth,
Speaker 3: and you know, just like hello and welcome to the bowl,
Speaker 3: which is funny. And Beck and his band were basically
Speaker 3: the house band. LA Philharmonic performed, Jackson Brown was there,
Speaker 3: Jeff Goldbloom and his jazz ensemble performed, and they played
Speaker 3: all these songs from the soundtracks of Wes Anderson films,
Speaker 3: which I know, of course, but I didn't realize how
Speaker 3: much those things had been ingrained into me. Like suddenly,
Speaker 3: as I was listening to these songs, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I know these note for note, I mean not just
Speaker 3: the you know, British Invasion tracks and things from Rushmore
Speaker 3: or whatever, but just even the score from Grand Budapest
Speaker 3: and it I actually got a little emotional a couple
Speaker 3: of times because I realized that these this music has
Speaker 3: been in my life for thirty years, which I just
Speaker 3: never considered. But I saw Bottle Rocket when I was
Speaker 3: sixteen years old, amazing, yeah, and being in an enormous
Speaker 3: venue like this and hearing what I would think are
Speaker 3: deep cuts, you know, from a deep cut of a
Speaker 3: film performed live with clips from Bottle Rocket playing on
Speaker 3: these giant screens. And then I also so it reminded
Speaker 3: me of being sixteen and being in my friend Jason's
Speaker 3: basement and us discovering this movie together and being like, wow,
Speaker 3: like this is now our favorite filmmaker, you know, and
Speaker 3: just that exciting feeling of becoming a sinophile in your teens,
Speaker 3: you know. And I remember then because I loved him
Speaker 3: Anderson and being in college and convincing my friends in
Speaker 3: college we got to go see the Royal Ten and
Speaker 3: bombs this filmmakers amazing, and I remember us walking out
Speaker 3: of the theater and there's a group of us and
Speaker 3: all almost all of them were like, sorry, man, this
Speaker 3: isn't for us, you know, and you know, everyone kind
Speaker 3: of break breaking apart, but there was one guy I'll
Speaker 3: never forget. His name is Andrew Wagner, and he just
Speaker 3: it was like Charlie Brown. He was like Linus and
Speaker 3: I was like Charlie Brown. Everyone walked away, and then
Speaker 3: he put his hand actually on my shoulder and went
Speaker 3: I loved it. I was like, oh, really, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like you're finding your people.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: I remember listening to the Grand Budapest soundtrack when I
Speaker 3: started at Bob's Burgers, and I was kind of nervous
Speaker 3: and didn't know anybody, so like it brought me back
Speaker 3: to that time. It was surprisingly emotional and really really
Speaker 3: special and satisfying. So I'm so so thankful I got
Speaker 3: to check that out this past weekend. A what a strange,
Speaker 3: unique thing, kind of an only in La kind of experience,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, and I have to mention this too
Speaker 3: because I thought this was funny. I went with our
Speaker 3: friend Busha, who's also a big Wes Anderson fan, and
Speaker 3: there was a moment when I was looking at Bill
Speaker 3: Murray on stage and I thought, wow, that's.
Speaker 4: A ghostbuster, Like you know what I mean, He's right there,
Speaker 4: like he fought the state puffed marshmallow man and and
Speaker 4: then literally, I mean less than a minute later, Busha
Speaker 4: turned to me and went.
Speaker 3: That's Peter Venkman. It's like, yeah, we are exactly on
Speaker 3: the same page right now.
Speaker 2: That's really funny.
Speaker 3: So anyway, that was a really cool experience. And you
Speaker 3: and I've been to the Bowl before, right, We saw
Speaker 3: Weird Al there.
Speaker 2: That was We've been there a few times. We saw
Speaker 2: Weird How we saw John Williams. We watched Star Wars
Speaker 2: in concert.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Well they had the live orchestra scoring. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: which you've done a couple of times. I remember you
Speaker 3: went with your kids to see Empire, right.
Speaker 2: Uh, Empire and a Jurassic Park at the at the
Speaker 2: San Francisco Symphony.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are really special events if they do those
Speaker 3: in your area. To see a live orchestra playing the
Speaker 3: soundtrack to a film as you're watching it is a
Speaker 3: really special thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I've said before what the trick is, find
Speaker 2: a movie where you know every note of the score,
Speaker 2: because what that does that that allows you to really
Speaker 2: savor the fact that it is being performed live because
Speaker 2: you notice the subtle differences, which I think makes it
Speaker 2: makes it a little extra, you.
Speaker 3: Know, well, two of the things I'll mention real fast.
Speaker 3: I teased this in the bonus episode, but I watched
Speaker 3: a movie called How to Make a Killing That's Right,
Speaker 3: which came out earlier this year stars Glenn Pwell and
Speaker 3: see the IMDb summary says disowned at birth by his
Speaker 3: obscenely wealthy family. Blue collar said to pop up interrupt
Speaker 3: the log line, He's a capitalism, I know, disowned at
Speaker 3: birth by his obscenely wealthy family. Blue collar Beckett Redfellow
Speaker 3: will stop at nothing to reclaim his inheritance, no matter
Speaker 3: how many relatives stand in his way. So basically, he's
Speaker 3: going to knock off all his relatives till he's the
Speaker 3: last person standing to get his inheritance. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's funny. I saw this trailer and it looked intriguing,
Speaker 3: but I gotta admit there was a little part of
Speaker 3: me it was like turning my stomach a bit, like
Speaker 3: just the idea of watching a fun movie about someone
Speaker 3: being blase just murdering people for money, Like it just
Speaker 3: kind of I was like, I don't know, like I'm
Speaker 3: intrigued by the premise, but it's also makes me feel
Speaker 3: a little ichy. But it was on HBO Max, and
Speaker 3: so I was like, well, I can at least give
Speaker 3: it a shot now here from the comfort of my
Speaker 3: living room. And I really enjoyed this. I think what's
Speaker 3: interesting about it is this movie isn't a bouncy romp,
Speaker 3: you know. I think the trailer might have done that
Speaker 3: to try to make it seem inviting, you know, but
Speaker 3: this this movie kind of lives in the gray area
Speaker 3: about like you kind of understand why he feels scorned
Speaker 3: by this family and have these bitter feelings, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't celebrate what he's doing. Like this movie isn't a
Speaker 3: pop song, you know what I mean. And I really
Speaker 3: appreciated that. And so then I looked up, like, oh,
Speaker 3: who made this? And it was John Patton Ford who
Speaker 3: did Emily the Criminal with Aubrey Plaza. Yeah, Yeah, which
Speaker 3: I really liked and is a similar sort of movie
Speaker 3: where it's a person who's a bit of an underdog.
Speaker 3: Life has not been fair to her and she gets
Speaker 3: involved in credit card scams, which is funny because in
Speaker 3: real life, if I met someone who did credit card
Speaker 3: scams and scanned old people, I'd probably punch them in
Speaker 3: the face, you know, like you don't these these are
Speaker 3: the true scumbags of our time, right, But they also
Speaker 3: make this character an interesting person. So you don't like
Speaker 3: what they're doing, but you're intrigued by why they're doing
Speaker 3: it and how they're doing it. And I'd say this
Speaker 3: movie does something kind of the same and I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that it doesn't make you feel comfortable all
Speaker 3: the time, but it does make you think, well, what's
Speaker 3: gonna happen next, What's gonna happen next? And it turns
Speaker 3: out to be a pretty entertaining yarn So and Glenn Powell.
Speaker 3: When it started, it's just inevitable. I thought, Glenn Powell,
Speaker 3: is he a movie star?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Do I like this guy? And it's funny because I
Speaker 3: did go in like, okay, interesting, he doesn't like have
Speaker 3: me immediately like some stars do. And by the end
Speaker 3: of it, I was like, I really like Glenn Powell.
Speaker 3: He gets me every time.
Speaker 2: I feel like you have this discussion with yourself about
Speaker 2: every eight months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great. He's perfect in this role too.
Speaker 2: In particular, he's locked in as the day trading dude
Speaker 2: bro from the Dark Knight rises and then you have
Speaker 2: to remember, oh wait, he's capable of other things beyond
Speaker 2: just that.
Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit, you know what he has resting
Speaker 3: dude bro from Dark Knight Rise's face. I respect that, right,
Speaker 3: but he is charming and he is a good actor,
Speaker 3: and I he had a lot working against him in
Speaker 3: this movie because you should really not like this person,
Speaker 3: but you you're willing to go on this journey with
Speaker 3: him and see what happens next. So it's dark, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll mention that, but it's it's a good yarn and
Speaker 3: I think people will enjoy it as like a a
Speaker 3: thing they haven't seen that's streaming on HBO Max.
Speaker 2: So all right, uh well this this has been kind
Speaker 2: of a kind of a slow week for me. You know,
Speaker 2: I got in the Odyssey. Yeah, yeah, which will be
Speaker 2: which will be unpacking just a little bit better than that.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just me. I'm enjoyed the summer. You know,
Speaker 2: the kids are home, they're home from school, they're out
Speaker 2: and about, so you know, I'm spending my day hiding
Speaker 2: out away from them, just trying to trying to get
Speaker 2: away as much as I can.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My youngest got a hold of a sharpie yesterday, so
Speaker 2: that's that's fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, does he have a future. I mean, is
Speaker 3: he gonna put himself through college with his art?
Speaker 2: At this point He's gonna have to because the math
Speaker 2: ain't math.
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure he found his voice yet, but
Speaker 3: you know, we'll give him time.
Speaker 2: Fingers crossed. You never know. You know, you know my
Speaker 2: daughter and you know this. She's she does these these
Speaker 2: very elaborate arts and crafts things. Oh yeah, she's nine,
Speaker 2: and she just I mean she she watches like YouTube
Speaker 2: videos about how to make things, and you know she
Speaker 2: and and you saw this recently. She she makes, for example,
Speaker 2: these little uh you know, like fit in your hand
Speaker 2: replicas of backpacks.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When we were up there, Sean and I are visiting you,
Speaker 3: she was like, we were gonna make these together, okay,
Speaker 3: And so she took us into another room. She had scissors,
Speaker 3: a glue gun, all the materials, and I was a
Speaker 3: little like, okay, let's see what this is. And then
Speaker 3: she makes this amazing little backpack you would buy in
Speaker 3: the store that you could put your keys in or
Speaker 3: you know, change or money or whatever. And I was, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had you guys sitting there doing them. She
Speaker 2: was walking back and forth, she had a switch. She
Speaker 2: was if you were working too slowly, you know. Yes,
Speaker 2: so she's she's got that figured out.
Speaker 3: She's tough but fair.
Speaker 2: She's she's got a sweat shop monitoring job in her future.
Speaker 2: Were very hopeful anyway, So yeah, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: she can teach the baby some of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Yes, well, I guess it runs
Speaker 3: in the family.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know what, these kids, they got to be. They
Speaker 2: gotta be self starters at this point, right, you know, Uh,
Speaker 2: I should say the baby, it's fun, you know, he
Speaker 2: he's he started recognizing super heroes.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I remember this, right down to your first son,
Speaker 3: where he could go through you had the Marvel superhero
Speaker 3: like trading cards. Yeah, in a binder, and I remember
Speaker 3: you would flip the pages and point at a character.
Speaker 3: And he was so young and he'd go Hulk, Captain America. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so so all the way down to your your your last.
Speaker 2: Well he would he would if I if I said,
Speaker 2: where's Hulk, he would point to him like he he
Speaker 2: He didn't talk as much my first one.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: My youngest. Meanwhile, you know, like we got him Spider Man,
Speaker 2: pajamas and he points he goes Superman and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: God damn it. And then he I I you know,
Speaker 2: he found like a Superman plush he goes, he Man.
Speaker 2: I'm like, son of a bitch. So it's a little
Speaker 2: frustrating this kid. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, at least he's showing uh an interest.
Speaker 2: Listen either do writer, don't do it at all.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, you know, that's for Actually I
Speaker 3: think your daughter would agree. Yeah, seriously, where's that switch?
Speaker 3: I was like dancing around it. I was like, do
Speaker 3: I make a joke about a switch?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2: I think. Look, she's tough. But she told you guys,
Speaker 2: she she said, go cut me a switch. And you're like,
Speaker 2: it's like handing you a shovel, and yeah, but I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know how she does all that. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're quite quite good, quite.
Speaker 3: Well done, you know, so talented.
Speaker 2: Yeah the little backpacks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I have it right here next to
Speaker 3: the desk.
Speaker 2: You better. Yeah, you don't want her asking And and
Speaker 2: then you're like, oh I misplaced it, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not gonna go. Well, hey, Anyway, we got some
Speaker 2: listener letters, Brian, you have for me?
Speaker 1: Hey, teen thousand lasts all addressed.
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 2: All right, Well, hey, you know our last I don't
Speaker 2: even know it was. It was when we talked about Supergirl.
Speaker 2: Is that our last regular show?
Speaker 3: Yes, which I think is going to be streaming next week?
Speaker 3: Which is is it?
Speaker 2: Really? Because I know Masters Universe that's going to be
Speaker 2: on the twenty first, So that's next week as we're
Speaker 2: recording this.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, July twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's nuts that. Yeah, well we'll talk about
Speaker 2: that in a second. But here's a note we got
Speaker 2: from Rob Kelly in response to that episode, and he says,
Speaker 2: great show, guys. I had you in my ears while jogging,
Speaker 2: which always makes the time go by faster, essential when
Speaker 2: jogging during a blazing Florida summer. The good news is
Speaker 2: it's a blazing summer pretty much wherever we go in
Speaker 2: the country right now. This is when Zachie mentioned having
Speaker 2: seen Masters of Universe four times already. I almost gasped.
Speaker 2: With a full time job a podcast and at last count,
Speaker 2: approximately seventeen children accurate, I thought, how the hell does
Speaker 2: he have time to see any movie in the theater
Speaker 2: four times, which made me want to ask, was there
Speaker 2: a movie you saw in the theater multiple times and
Speaker 2: after time passed you look back and went, Wow, I
Speaker 2: don't even like that movie anymore. I'm not saying that's
Speaker 2: what's going to happen at Masters of the Universe. You
Speaker 2: goddamn right it won't. But for me, I saw The
Speaker 2: Phantom Menace in the summer of ninety nine a total
Speaker 2: of nine times in the theater, nine times, nine and
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Having completely convinced myself what I saw was good,
Speaker 2: time has proven otherwise for me. I'm glad, he said.
Speaker 2: I'm glad, he said for me, because you know people
Speaker 2: are going to be like jumping through the speaker related
Speaker 2: while on my jog I imagine a scenario where Zachi
Speaker 2: cloned himself multiplicity style using a three D printer. He
Speaker 2: props that version up on the sofa so you can
Speaker 2: still be Dad while also seeing Masters of the Universe
Speaker 2: for the fifth time. This fake Zachi comes with several
Speaker 2: pre recorded phrases to further the illusion. It's no Magnificent Amber.
Speaker 2: Since I just sent some more comics to be bound,
Speaker 2: you've got a great movie. Waiting for you. Hey, let's
Speaker 2: watch Planet of the Apes again.
Speaker 3: Your wife would not even know the difference like you
Speaker 3: guys would. Beginning you should be getting into bed like
Speaker 3: a night Zachie, like, let's watch Planet of the Apes again.
Speaker 3: That's right, I love you too. Turn out the light.
Speaker 2: Rob ends with I may have heat stroke. I just
Speaker 2: last part first. Uh. Rob is one of many people
Speaker 2: who has said that you've got a great movie waiting
Speaker 2: for you is like one of my catchphrases, which I
Speaker 2: gotta say, as catchphrases go, I am happy to take
Speaker 2: that on. Yeah right, yeah, totally, like if that's something
Speaker 2: people associate with me saying, you know, I think that's good.
Speaker 2: I think that's nice.
Speaker 3: I think that encapsulates well the spirit of this show,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean sometimes online you'll see younger people
Speaker 3: being like, hey, I just saw this great movie it's
Speaker 3: called The Godfather, and people will jump on them, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's like, why make someone feel bad about discovering
Speaker 3: something great, you know? Or if I guess more related
Speaker 3: to this, if they haven't seen The Godfather or they
Speaker 3: haven't seen something that's a classic, instead of jumping on them,
Speaker 3: you haven't seen that? What just go, hey, you got
Speaker 3: a great movie waiting for you. You should check that out,
Speaker 3: you know, encourage them exactly. Yeah, come on, come on, people,
Speaker 3: let's be better. Come on.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, I you know, speaking of The Godfather,
Speaker 2: you know, I screened that in my classes every semester,
Speaker 2: and I always say, you know, because I'm always like,
Speaker 2: who's seen it? And you know, maybe a one or
Speaker 2: two have seen it, And I'm always like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I get to be part of this experience
Speaker 2: for you the first time you watch.
Speaker 3: The Godfather exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the trick is like you don't want to
Speaker 2: overhype something. Sure, so that's why you're never like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is considered one of the grace movies ever made.
Speaker 2: Play you know, you're right, right, right, you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like that's what messes up, like like Citizen Kane. Right,
Speaker 2: people always lead with that, right, And I think that's
Speaker 2: a mistake because I think Citizen Kane, you just you
Speaker 2: just be like, you know, it's a it's a story
Speaker 2: about it's a tragedy about a man who has everything
Speaker 2: and and it just hollows him out inside.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you say something like that and you
Speaker 3: might even be like, you know, it's an older film,
Speaker 3: but you may be surprised how much you you find
Speaker 3: yourself invested in it. Exactly right, because because when you
Speaker 3: start with, oh, you know, most surveys will say it's
Speaker 3: one of the greatest movies of all time.
Speaker 2: Well, when you when you tell that to like a
Speaker 2: fifteen year old, you're asking them to hate it, right,
Speaker 2: because they're like, I don't I don't want to follow
Speaker 2: your your structures. I'd my own thing, you know anyway.
Speaker 2: So that's why I didn't realize that that's like a
Speaker 2: thing that I say enough for.
Speaker 3: It to be a catchphrase.
Speaker 2: But like I said, on the other hand, hey let's
Speaker 2: watch Planet of the Apes again. Well, ask my kids.
Speaker 2: And that is indeed something that I will say quite often.
Speaker 2: Right as far as movies watched multiple times, well, and
Speaker 2: actually before we even get to that, Masters the Universe,
Speaker 2: I did see four times in the theater that it
Speaker 2: it did work out. I did not regret any of that.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it each time. But it just sort of
Speaker 2: worked out where like I went to the press screening
Speaker 2: and then you know, my brother wanted to see it,
Speaker 2: and then my wife separately wanted to see it, and
Speaker 2: she's like, well, I'd rather watch it with you, and
Speaker 2: I was like okay, and then you and Sean were like,
Speaker 2: let's go see.
Speaker 3: It, and we made it work by going at ten
Speaker 3: thirty at night.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 3: So we were there the whole day. I think your
Speaker 3: kids eventually went to bed and then that's how we got.
Speaker 2: Out, and we're like, hey man time yea. I know,
Speaker 2: so that is rare. I don't. I don't often do that,
Speaker 2: although although I think, my gosh, I'm I probably watched
Speaker 2: I think Avengers End Game. I saw that four times.
Speaker 2: But that is it is rare, especially these days. It
Speaker 2: is rarer. And I will definitely not watch a movie
Speaker 2: multiple times if I'm not if I'm not you know,
Speaker 2: feeling it right. But but I will say, speaking a
Speaker 2: Planet of the Apes two thousand and one, I watched
Speaker 2: the Timberton Planet of the Apes I'm going to say
Speaker 2: at least three times, probably four times, trying to convince
Speaker 2: myself each time that it wasn't in fact, not very good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, going back to Phantom Menace, I remember
Speaker 3: we were all trying to convince ourselves that it was
Speaker 3: better than it was back then, and I think we've
Speaker 3: come around on it in a certain from a certain
Speaker 3: point of from a certain point of view, Yeah, in
Speaker 3: some ways. But yeah, I remember seeing it multiple times
Speaker 3: and sort of quieting voices in my head.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm gonna say I saw Phantom Menace
Speaker 2: twice the whole way through in the theater, and then
Speaker 2: I know I would just like sneak in and watch
Speaker 2: the lightsaber fight. I did that at least a couple
Speaker 2: of times. But for me that was different because I
Speaker 2: watched Phantom Menace. I was more clear eyed. Because I
Speaker 2: watched it, I was like, this isn't really working for me.
Speaker 2: And then I watched it again to be like just
Speaker 2: sort of test my hypothesis about the first one. I
Speaker 2: was like, no, that's that's true. Yeah, but that was
Speaker 2: me nine and ninety nine though. I respect that Rob's
Speaker 2: that's impressive. Yeah, very What about you, Brian, What's what's
Speaker 2: a movie you saw multiple times that you did not
Speaker 2: like that you realize later you didn't like Man as much.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, if I'm being honest off the top
Speaker 3: of my head, like something that I was trying to
Speaker 3: force myself to like, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I the movie or even something that you look back
Speaker 2: on you're like, like, maybe you liked it then, but
Speaker 2: you look at it now you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still not quite sure, but I am relating
Speaker 3: to your story about seeing something multiple times with different people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and yeah.
Speaker 2: You do that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the one that I remember most was I saw
Speaker 3: Children of Men four times. Wow, probably in less than
Speaker 3: two weeks. And that's that's a lot. Yeah. But it
Speaker 3: was funny because I didn't want to tell anyone because
Speaker 3: I knew if I said that I had seen it,
Speaker 3: they would be like, oh no, no, no, then we're not
Speaker 3: going to do it. I was like, no, no, no, I
Speaker 3: want you guys to see it.
Speaker 2: There is nothing more Brian than what you just said.
Speaker 3: Well, I told the final person, Okay, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is the fourth time I've seen it, you know.
Speaker 3: I had probably only been out for like two weeks.
Speaker 3: And she was like what. She's like, why don't you
Speaker 3: say something? I'm like, well, because I wanted you to
Speaker 3: see it, you know. And then I saw it with
Speaker 3: my brother and I saw probably Chad that I you know,
Speaker 3: and I do remember feeling like this movie's a lot
Speaker 3: I mean, it is a great movie, fantastic movie, but
Speaker 3: our times in two weeks, good lord. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll do that occasionally because that's the thing though, is
Speaker 3: I do want to experience these things with people, right,
Speaker 3: Like Disclosure day, you know, I wanted I saw it
Speaker 3: and we had our feelings, and then I had a
Speaker 3: friend that wanted to see it, and I want to
Speaker 3: be there with this person while it's happening and then
Speaker 3: have the discussion afterwards. And I always want to see
Speaker 3: stuff with my brother and get his opinion. Actually, the Odyssey, right,
Speaker 3: I'm seeing it again this coming Saturday at seven thirty
Speaker 3: am because that's the only time my brother can see it.
Speaker 3: But I'm like more than happy to do it because
Speaker 3: it means something to me to be there while he's
Speaker 3: watching it and then have that discussion when he's walking out.
Speaker 3: So I'm not able to do that as much these days,
Speaker 3: but that is something that I'm still willing to do,
Speaker 3: and like it's not a chore, like I actually enjoy it.
Speaker 3: But four times is a bit much. But yeah, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: See, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, there is
Speaker 2: no seven thirty am on a weekend, So yeah, I
Speaker 2: have nothing but respect.
Speaker 3: Well you know what part of that is. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure we would have been happier at like nine
Speaker 3: thirty maybe, but we If you're gonna see this, well,
Speaker 3: if you're able, it'd be nice to see this movie
Speaker 3: in true imax. And so imax is a hot commodity
Speaker 3: for this particular film. It was shot entirely in the
Speaker 3: IMAX format. And all the other times and there are
Speaker 3: many of them, they're all sold out. So seven thirty am,
Speaker 3: which is still about half sold out. Wow, that's the
Speaker 3: only time we could get seats. So hey, it's all good.
Speaker 2: I respect it.
Speaker 3: I respect it.
Speaker 2: Well well okay, well thank you for sharing that. So
Speaker 2: you know, the the real moral of the story is
Speaker 2: Brian is a good friend to have. He'll go see that.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't matter if you've seen it already.
Speaker 2: He wants to experience it with you.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I just that's that's impressive. Well, thank you for that, Rob,
Speaker 2: and I will be watching Masters of the Universe again,
Speaker 2: not on the big screen, but in digital very shortly,
Speaker 2: so looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad, you know, by the way, just because
Speaker 3: I know how much Masters of the Universe means to
Speaker 3: you and has meant to you through your life. That
Speaker 3: makes me very happy that that is the reaction you
Speaker 3: had to that movie.
Speaker 2: You know, I really like it's It's so funny because
Speaker 2: I see so many people online are like, man, it
Speaker 2: sucks that it flopped, and I'm like, well again, you know,
Speaker 2: just based on our conversations here, I had no illusions
Speaker 2: about it not flopping, So it was really I just
Speaker 2: wanted to be good. You know, We've had one Master's
Speaker 2: Universe live action movie for forty years, and I've lived
Speaker 2: a perfectly contented life, soditional one. That's totally fine.
Speaker 3: You know, you really put it into perspective for me,
Speaker 3: because yeah, I'm I'm bummed that there's a little stink
Speaker 3: on it and bummed that maybe it won't get the
Speaker 3: sequel that I would hope it would get. But then
Speaker 3: you are like, well, it's like The Rocketeer, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, and I adore The Rocketeer. I don't
Speaker 3: think of the Rocketeer of having any stink on it.
Speaker 3: I think it's a wonderful movie from my childhood that
Speaker 3: I still love. And so and it was a flop
Speaker 3: when it came out, and so, yeah, you're right. I
Speaker 3: think this movie will probably become like The Rocketeer.
Speaker 2: I suspect, you know, and there's a long tradition of this.
Speaker 2: I mean Flash Gordon from nineteen eighty and you know,
Speaker 2: even Dick Tracy, which is considered an underperformer. All of
Speaker 2: these movies have you know, have a legacy, and this
Speaker 2: is this is going to be part of that pot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: So here's a movie that is not going to be
Speaker 2: part of that pot. And this is an email we
Speaker 2: got in response to our commentary track for Independence Day Resurgence.
Speaker 2: She dropped just a few weeks ago. This is from
Speaker 2: Adamo who says, just to be clear, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that people can't grow and change over time, but does
Speaker 2: this count as growth or just a lack of resolve
Speaker 2: to stand firm in your core fundamental beliefs. And then
Speaker 2: he included an audio file do we want to I
Speaker 2: want to play that.
Speaker 3: Let's do.
Speaker 2: Now now?
Speaker 6: In order to head off the questions in advance, we
Speaker 6: will not be doing Independence Day Resurgence.
Speaker 2: Do not ask.
Speaker 6: That is that is not that movie does not exist
Speaker 6: in this no Jo Once was enough.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so that was in our Independence Day commentary track.
Speaker 3: I believe, yes, Okay.
Speaker 2: So first of all, I should say this is proof
Speaker 2: that I do not listen to our show, right like
Speaker 2: I I we speak, we do this, and then it
Speaker 2: just goes into the into the pile, and that's it.
Speaker 2: I this is proof positive because I have I believe
Speaker 2: I said that unless Adam has some elaborate, deep fake
Speaker 2: AI program.
Speaker 3: Right right, Actually, it'd be funny if it ended with
Speaker 3: you also be like, also, I'm a big stupid head.
Speaker 3: This is Zachi.
Speaker 2: I have no memory of having said that.
Speaker 3: I never think about the fact that the thing that's
Speaker 3: coming out of my mouth could become exhibit A.
Speaker 2: It's true. But yeah, so I again I proof I
Speaker 2: don't listen to the show. But Adam says, I'm not mad,
Speaker 2: Zachi just disappointed. For the record, only you guys could
Speaker 2: make me listen to a commentary for Independence Day Resurgence.
Speaker 2: And while the commentaries for Jaws and the Og Independence
Speaker 2: Day have become part of my Fourth of July routine
Speaker 2: for the past few years, A warm hug while I
Speaker 2: putter around, grilled doze in my hammock, et cetera. I
Speaker 2: don't think I'll be adding this one to that tradition
Speaker 2: as always, thanks again for a fun show.
Speaker 3: Well, that means a lot to me that he still
Speaker 3: enjoys listening to Jaws and the first Independence Day.
Speaker 2: That's amazing and fair.
Speaker 3: Fair.
Speaker 2: I think what it came down to is when you
Speaker 2: and I were, you know, we just bad ideas back
Speaker 2: and forth about something fun to drop over the holiday,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned I was like, well, Independence Day too
Speaker 2: is ten years old. You know that could be fun
Speaker 2: to talk through. And I think we had a fun discussion,
Speaker 2: is my sense. You know.
Speaker 3: I think we have come to realize that even less
Speaker 3: successful movies can be fun to workshop together, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's connected to something we do love. So it's
Speaker 3: a return to that world, which is always interesting at least,
Speaker 3: And then if it doesn't work, it's kind of fun
Speaker 3: to go through and see, well this does work, why
Speaker 3: doesn't this ultimately feel this way by the end? Then
Speaker 3: and then you and I end up workshopping things and
Speaker 3: riffing and kind of having fun with it, and those
Speaker 3: end up being some of my favorite commentaries.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I do, I feel like and you know,
Speaker 2: feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's kind of like we found a lane when
Speaker 2: it comes to you know, quote unquote bad movies that
Speaker 2: differentiates us from how did this get made? Or or
Speaker 2: we hate movies or you know, and those guys do
Speaker 2: what they do very well.
Speaker 3: Love the Yeah, I love those guys, but that.
Speaker 2: Our approach is more, Yeah, we're kind of we're doing
Speaker 2: an autopsy a little bit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: In the case of Independence Day Resurgence, obviously there was
Speaker 2: a lot to there was a lot of necrotic tissue
Speaker 2: to work with. I mean it, truly. That was the
Speaker 2: first time in ten years I had seen it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same, and you know it it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite It's quite a thing, that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: So Hopefully hopefully people found the experience of listening to
Speaker 2: us talk through it interesting even if they haven't seen
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 3: Yep, I agreed, all right.
Speaker 2: Last note here we got from Hey Sean Coyle. Hey
Speaker 2: like this guy, he says, ohla movie film chumps popping
Speaker 2: in today for a few reasons. Firstly, I was listening
Speaker 2: to a recent episode where listener and Mega Masters of
Speaker 2: the Universe fan shared his experience watching the film and
Speaker 2: how it related to his love for he Man, which
Speaker 2: was shared by his now late father, and that's our
Speaker 2: friend Mike Snyder. By the way. By the end of
Speaker 2: the story, I found myself in tears remembering all the
Speaker 2: things I shared with my father now past. Whenever I
Speaker 2: rewatch an episode of Cheers or have burgers going on
Speaker 2: the grill while the sounds of a baseball game are
Speaker 2: broadcast in the background, it's like he's right there with me.
Speaker 2: That Masters of the Universe story was absolutely wonderful. Speaking
Speaker 2: of which, Brian, when are you going to start your
Speaker 2: cheers binge? So we can discuss this year? This year,
Speaker 2: this year we'll see clock a stick and Brian, I
Speaker 2: know secondarily I'm right there with you, fellows regarding our
Speaker 2: feelings on Toy Story five. But there was one thing
Speaker 2: I wanted to add. Is it me or does Bonnie
Speaker 2: have terrible parents? Hmm? Okay, maybe not terrible, as they
Speaker 2: clearly show an awareness for her sadness, But the entire
Speaker 2: movie hinges on the idea that Bonnie's parents have set
Speaker 2: absolutely zero boundaries when it comes to screen time. It
Speaker 2: was the only problem that kept nagging at me during
Speaker 2: the movie. But Disney has shown over the course of
Speaker 2: forever that parents are only necessary to a story if
Speaker 2: one of them dies so that their child can become
Speaker 2: Queen of the Sea or some shit.
Speaker 3: I give you a queen of the sea.
Speaker 2: What would have helped is that as Bonnie and Blaze
Speaker 2: go off to play in the front yard and other
Speaker 2: kids start to gather, that we see the parents, noticing this,
Speaker 2: set their own phones down and go out to the
Speaker 2: kids play from the front porch, or even connect with
Speaker 2: other now unplugged neighbors over the picket fence.
Speaker 3: That would have been a nice because I thought the
Speaker 3: movie did a good job of showing that the parents
Speaker 3: are also susceptible to this, especially Blaze's dad, And it's
Speaker 3: not like he's doing anything wrong necessarily. It looks like
Speaker 3: he's working occasionally, but he is almost always seen in
Speaker 3: front of a screen because either a that's how life is,
Speaker 3: yeah in some ways. And also I think he was
Speaker 3: chatting with friends at one point, so it was showing
Speaker 3: that it's not just a problem for like kids, which
Speaker 3: I kind of respected. But along those lines, I think
Speaker 3: that that's a pretty good note, Like it would be
Speaker 3: kind of nice, especially if you have a strange kid
Speaker 3: playing with your kid in the front yard for the
Speaker 3: first time, Like maybe you'd sit on the porch and
Speaker 3: just kind of a.
Speaker 2: New kid, not a strange kid.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what I'm saying, A stranger.
Speaker 2: I love if a weird kid is playing with your.
Speaker 3: Yea, some psycho comes over to your house now, But
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like I could see I
Speaker 3: could see that where it's like, oh, then put the
Speaker 3: phone down and the parents kind of sit and cuddle
Speaker 3: up a little bit on a patio swing and kind
Speaker 3: of watch happily as the kids play.
Speaker 2: I don't know, see, I would have liked mom and
Speaker 2: dad to They look at Blaze and Bonnie, then they
Speaker 2: look at each other. Then they get a hammer and
Speaker 2: they like break their phones, and then they go into
Speaker 2: Bonnie's room and they get lily Pad, and lily Pad
Speaker 2: is like no, no, we cant and we just we
Speaker 2: we end on the other toys look of horror, as
Speaker 2: like the hammer is coming down on lily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, stop stop, it's already dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah that would have been my ending. Yeah, That's why
Speaker 2: I'm not in charge of Pixar though. Uh Sean continues third,
Speaker 2: regarding Supergirl and the frequent use of t Bou Guardians
Speaker 2: or Timu gun In reviews and discussions yours included, it
Speaker 2: feels like James Gunn and DC are all in on
Speaker 2: a vibe that audiences have already grown tired of. Now,
Speaker 2: with Clayface being the next offering, you could make the
Speaker 2: argument that it feels like James Gunn is making these
Speaker 2: movies for himself and his fans and not properly servicing
Speaker 2: the source material and the greater DC universe. No one
Speaker 2: should ever expect to repeat the long play model of
Speaker 2: the MCU that culminated so masterfully in Avengers Endgame. But
Speaker 2: James Gunn Superman, which I very much enjoyed, in spite
Speaker 2: of some of the unsavory or two off kilter gun isms,
Speaker 2: moments and characters, did a wonderful job of showcasing that
Speaker 2: this world was filled with vibrant, interesting characters and that
Speaker 2: dealing with alien blob attacks was just an everyday thing.
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to see what this universe's version of
Speaker 2: Flash and Mister Miracle and Aquaman and Green Arrow and
Speaker 2: Black Canary and Booster Gold and a Wonder Woman and
Speaker 2: Batman would look like, But instead we get Clayface. What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on this current direction and after the
Speaker 2: lackluster box office from Supergirl, do you foresee any drastic
Speaker 2: or reactionary pivots in their master plan? Keep on movie
Speaker 2: filming here, Old pal Shan, And what I will say is,
Speaker 2: thank you Sean for those questions. Luckily for you and
Speaker 2: everyone else, we actually did have this discussion, right, Brian.
Speaker 3: We did? Yes? Wow?
Speaker 2: Was this on a bonus Ofis this was a bonus episode?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: I get them confused sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we talked about this very thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we held court for almost an hour. So hey,
Speaker 2: if you want to hear that conversation, jump over to
Speaker 2: the Patreon page.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I do think it's interesting. I mean, just
Speaker 3: to touch on it briefly here to.
Speaker 2: Well, we should say real quick, as of this recording,
Speaker 2: Supergirl is the lowest grossing DC movie in like twenty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, then to kind of build on
Speaker 3: the conversation we had because we have new information. We've
Speaker 3: just learned that Matt Reeves The Batman Part two has
Speaker 3: been pushed again and that will be coming out now
Speaker 3: in February of twenty twenty eight. So with all of
Speaker 3: this in mind, it makes me think Yeah, with the
Speaker 3: second movie out of guns DC Universe performing disaster slee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like no sugarcoating whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like they really need to sort of
Speaker 3: establish the known beloved pillars of DC for us, to
Speaker 3: like to ground us and make us feel confident that
Speaker 3: we're going to be in this univers verse for the
Speaker 3: next couple of years. And so I think that means Batman.
Speaker 3: I think that means Flash Wonder Woman. And with Reeves
Speaker 3: movie now not coming out till twenty twenty eight, does
Speaker 3: that mean we're not going to get a gun Batman
Speaker 3: till twenty nine later? Like that doesn't feel great.
Speaker 2: But have they ever said that, like they're gonna wait
Speaker 2: till Reeves finishes telling his story before they do the
Speaker 2: DCU Batman that I never know?
Speaker 3: No, Actually the opposite. I think he was saying that
Speaker 3: they were going to do like a brave and bold
Speaker 3: kind of thing, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not like waiting for for for Reeves
Speaker 2: to finish Grown Roses.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm true, true, but it just well, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I guess I don't even know what to
Speaker 3: say about that because we we don't know what their
Speaker 3: plan is, but they might want to let us in
Speaker 3: on it, you know, like Marvel does occasionally. You know,
Speaker 3: they'll show what a phase is going to look like
Speaker 3: and the people we can expect coming up, so we
Speaker 3: can go, oh great, Well, at least I can look
Speaker 3: forward to that. But to Seawn's point, for people that
Speaker 3: are feeling a little nervous about DC at the moment,
Speaker 3: you know, clay Face being next on the calendar isn't
Speaker 3: like a oh few, okay, we're good. Yeah's you know,
Speaker 3: for the majority of people, right.
Speaker 2: It's an odd choice. I mean, I've said for a
Speaker 2: little while that I think, at least as it pertains
Speaker 2: to Supergirl, if you're going to do a Supergirl movie,
Speaker 2: you should have done it after Man of Tomorrow, right,
Speaker 2: because Man of the idea here is like Supergirl sets
Speaker 2: up her status quo leading into Man of Tomorrow, and
Speaker 2: I think that's just a mistake because there wasn't enough
Speaker 2: rooting interest from her based on her cameo at the
Speaker 2: end of Superman. So put her in manat Tomorrow. She
Speaker 2: gets a decent role, I presume, and then and then
Speaker 2: you set up, you know, whatever you're gonna do in
Speaker 2: the Woman Tomorrow adaptation. Just ill conceived. I mean it sucks.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the bottom line, right, I I wish
Speaker 2: the movie had done better, but I also wish the
Speaker 2: movie was better. Yeah, Sam, Right, and I you know,
Speaker 2: like that's really it because people didn't show up and
Speaker 2: then it just dropped like a stone. So it's you know,
Speaker 2: uh well, I mean there's a conversation we're gonna have
Speaker 2: it just a little bit about just the broader box
Speaker 2: office trends this this summer, you know. Uh but thank
Speaker 2: you for that, Sean, And like I said, uh, more
Speaker 2: of that on the bonus feed, so so definitely check
Speaker 2: that out. Hey we got a new trailer.
Speaker 3: Bright coming soon to theaters.
Speaker 2: So hey, I don't know if you know. This year
Speaker 2: is the fiftieth anniversary of Rocky Wow five zero crazy right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's nuts to I mean we're hitting that point
Speaker 2: now where so many of the like our stuff is
Speaker 2: nudging up to and blowing past fifty years. Next year's
Speaker 2: Star Wars obviously wow strange, Like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we're hit once we're into the stuff from the eighties
Speaker 2: being fifty plus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then it's gonna feel really weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have like a decade long existential crisis. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, but in order to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary
Speaker 2: of Rocky, we have coming up on MGM V MGM
Speaker 2: on this in theaters, right I think so? Yeah, okay
Speaker 2: from Amazon MGYM, so it'll be on prime video at
Speaker 2: some point. It's the making of Rocky called I Play Rocky,
Speaker 2: direct by Peter Fairley. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just saw that on named I did not know
Speaker 3: that he.
Speaker 2: Of Green Book of all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's his claim to him. And and there's something about Mary.
Speaker 3: Yeah and dumb and dummer and this.
Speaker 2: Witness the duality of man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Actually that's hilarious. And yeah, his sizzle
Speaker 3: reel you could show Jeff Daniels having explosive diary on
Speaker 3: a toilet and then to Beagle Mortensen solving racism.
Speaker 2: So this is a film that they just dropped the
Speaker 2: trailer in the last forty eight hours as we're talking
Speaker 2: about it. Anthony Ippolito plays a young Sylvester Stallone. We
Speaker 2: want to play some of the audio from this, let's
Speaker 2: do it. Are you delusional?
Speaker 6: You don't get the looks to be a movie star,
Speaker 6: not to mention you talk like you got rocks in
Speaker 6: your mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I don't look like Einstein, but I
Speaker 3: got a brain.
Speaker 2: The only way when we get to show people is
Speaker 2: we don't have to write a script for myself.
Speaker 5: Yes, so do that.
Speaker 2: Ry slip and give yourself the best part. So I
Speaker 2: have said for years, you know, because in my film classes,
Speaker 2: I talk about the making of Rocky and I'm like,
Speaker 2: the way Rocky got made, I mean, it's like a
Speaker 2: movie itself. So yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I
Speaker 2: had it was an original thought from me, but I'm
Speaker 2: you know, the fact that they're making a movie about
Speaker 2: the making of Rocky it feels very appropriate. I have
Speaker 2: to say. I was skeptical. Yeah, and then I hit
Speaker 2: play on the trailer and by the end of by
Speaker 2: the end of the trailer, I was like, man, I
Speaker 2: want to watch this movie same.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing. Movies like this can either
Speaker 3: be really really hammy and on the nose, and I
Speaker 3: feel bad. I don't know why I feel bad picking
Speaker 3: on this movie, but that Jimmy Stewart movie, right. For
Speaker 3: some reason, I feel this weird sort of like thing
Speaker 3: where I'm being mean when I.
Speaker 2: Like well, because when one presumes it's being made with
Speaker 2: its heart in the right place.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it does have that sort of real on
Speaker 3: the nose, almost like Hallmark movie, you know, sort of
Speaker 3: thing to it where it just feels like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: a little too saccharine and all that sorts of things
Speaker 3: you just don't know with these, yeah, things that look
Speaker 3: back nostalgically a stuff that we know we already love.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I watched this trailer, I was like,
Speaker 3: holy cow, I'm pumped up. Yeah, like it really got me.
Speaker 3: And it does look like a really fascinating underdog story
Speaker 3: much like Rocky, So I'm all in on this.
Speaker 2: Well, it gives me vibes kind of I mean different,
Speaker 2: but similar to the offer you know about the making
Speaker 2: of The Godfather, which.
Speaker 3: I thought was so good and just underseen that is
Speaker 3: a really really fun series.
Speaker 2: Well that honestly that should have been a movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I think a lot of this
Speaker 2: stuff it becomes a streaming series and then it's just
Speaker 2: forgotten about. Yeah, and we're talking about the Offer, we
Speaker 2: should say Anthony Apolito, who plays Sylvester Stallone in this
Speaker 2: new movie. He also played al Pacino in The Offer.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can see it. I could see. It's so
Speaker 3: funny because when you put him in the context of
Speaker 3: Sylvester Stallone, it's like, whoa, that guy looks exactly like
Speaker 3: Sylvester Stallone, but young al Pacino, Like this guy has
Speaker 3: resting seventies guy face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, seventies Italian American face.
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He'll play Tony Danza in the Saxi Behind the Scenes biopic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeh.
Speaker 2: Can we get Anthony Apolito think Samantha right, Angela get
Speaker 2: right in that one, Brian make an offer?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that did have kind of a fun, bouncy
Speaker 3: almost like gets shorty ish sort of Hollywood, what a
Speaker 3: wacky place. But you know, it's not a comedy, but
Speaker 3: it some fun whereas this, I like that, This didn't
Speaker 3: for me lean into the hokey, saccharine hammy winky sort
Speaker 3: of thing like remember this wink? You know, like it
Speaker 3: looks very sincere and well performed and well executed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, we we've got I mean it's
Speaker 2: it's pretty pretty solid cast. Right. We got Matt Dillon
Speaker 2: as Stallone's dad, Stephen James as Carl Weathers.
Speaker 3: He looks incredible. Yeah, yeah, it sounds incredible too.
Speaker 2: Toby Kibble as Robert chartaf Uh. I think the story,
Speaker 2: you know, this is one of those things, right, I
Speaker 2: mean again, I've talked about this in my classes. I'm like,
Speaker 2: stallone gets this idea and you know, inspired by you know,
Speaker 2: the Chuck Webner fight, Mhammad Ali writes the script and
Speaker 2: and it's it's this is this is the historical record
Speaker 2: that they love the script. And they're like, we want
Speaker 2: to make it a star vehicle for for Ryan O'Neil
Speaker 2: or whoever. We'll give you this much money. No, we'll
Speaker 2: give you this much mone.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: They keep up in the ante and he's like no,
Speaker 2: because he has the clarity at that moment in his life,
Speaker 2: while he's living in a shoe box apartment with no prospects,
Speaker 2: he has the clarity to say, if if this movie
Speaker 2: gets made and in success and I'm not in it,
Speaker 2: I will live with that regret for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life. Right. And now you think about like, who
Speaker 2: whoever has that that much clarity, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and believe in themselves? Right, I mean it's I
Speaker 3: love stories like this, and I remember, even with the
Speaker 3: Steve Jobs book and other sorts, of stories where you
Speaker 3: know these decisions wind lead to massive success. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: you think of them in that moment and they don't
Speaker 3: know that and they still stick to their guns. It's
Speaker 3: just so inspiring, it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, here we are, like we already
Speaker 2: know well St Leicester Stallone has had an extraordinary career
Speaker 2: still going yep, and so you know the fact that
Speaker 2: that he I mean think imagine being sliced alone at
Speaker 2: that moment. Be like, they're gonna make a movie about
Speaker 2: you holding out for more money, like right, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in that hard moment. Yeah, like you said
Speaker 3: in his shoe box apartment where he could really use
Speaker 3: the money and he keeps saying no because he believes
Speaker 3: in himself. Not only is your movie gonna get made
Speaker 3: and win Oscars and you're gonna become one of the
Speaker 3: most known stars on the planet, They're gonna make a
Speaker 3: movie about this moment, this moment you standing your ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be so iconic that all of this
Speaker 2: is gonna be like Shorthand for a making of movie.
Speaker 2: You know, amazing. So this Anthony Appolito, I mean, the
Speaker 2: resemblance is impressive.
Speaker 3: It's uncanny down to like the most subtle sorts of
Speaker 3: features on his face.
Speaker 2: Very much looks like him, the one. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if this is a qualm. This is just a
Speaker 2: reaction based on the trailer. It feels like he's doing
Speaker 2: Rocky more than he's doing Sylvester Stallone.
Speaker 3: I see that, Yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And maybe this is just because the trailer's just
Speaker 2: putting certain bits in there, right, But I mean the
Speaker 2: thought I had it's kind of a Jaafar Jackson situation, right,
Speaker 2: like is he going to be so identified with Sylvester
Speaker 2: Stallone that he won't be able to find other stuff?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's almost a miracle how much he
Speaker 3: looks like him. But will that be something we're unable
Speaker 3: to shake when in other roles? I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then meanwhile, you know they're shooting the John Rambo
Speaker 2: right now, the Rambo prequel.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Has a Noah Sentinao as as a Rambo.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is just the year for like young Stallone.
Speaker 3: Projects basically, that's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sure Amazon MGM is very excited because they're
Speaker 2: they're looking at a brand new franchise because in a
Speaker 2: couple of years, we get to do I play Rocky
Speaker 2: in the sequel to Rocky Yes, right, thirty I play
Speaker 2: Rocky in Creed Yes, Yes, and then and then fifty
Speaker 2: years from now, I play the guy playing Rocky and
Speaker 2: I play Rocky. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that one.
Speaker 2: God willing in twenty seventy six, you and I we'll
Speaker 2: go watch that together.
Speaker 3: I remember seeing I play Rocky playing Rocky. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm open for. Dude, You've made me snort twice this episode.
Speaker 2: When does this come out? November twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Amazon having a heck of a year. I mean,
Speaker 3: they had Project hill Mary one of the.
Speaker 2: Most they've had their ups and downs.
Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly, but I mean this year, you know, like,
Speaker 3: you know, I just had someone recently this past week
Speaker 3: tell me they watched Hill Mary for the first time,
Speaker 3: and even after all the hype and people recommending it,
Speaker 3: they're like, this movie is so good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, when's the last time a movie
Speaker 3: just captured such a broad audience's imagination. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the story of the box office this
Speaker 2: year is the highs are very high, even as the
Speaker 2: lowers are very low. And I think that is itself,
Speaker 2: you know, illuminating.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Hey, we have some headlines extra well
Speaker 2: right off the bat, this is this is a story
Speaker 2: that that I mean, it broke my heart seeing this headline. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Sam Neil has passed away.
Speaker 3: Last thing I expected to pop up on my phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he had been fighting cancer, right. However,
Speaker 2: he did announce earlier this year, a few months ago,
Speaker 2: that he was cancer free, and indeed he he died
Speaker 2: of pneumonia. Yeah, and you know, I mean he was
Speaker 2: seventy eight years old, which see seventy eight is is
Speaker 2: kind of this age range where it's like you're not
Speaker 2: a young man obviously, but it's you don't expect somebody
Speaker 2: to pass away suddenly at that age, right exactly, like
Speaker 2: I you know, I think, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I just thought we'd get more performances from him,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And we'd been seeing quite a bit of him recently,
Speaker 3: I mean, even returning to the role of Alan Grant,
Speaker 3: and he turned up in some of the Thorr movies.
Speaker 3: You know, he just he was still a presence.
Speaker 2: Still a presence, and I mean, I'll be honest, this
Speaker 2: one hit me really really hard. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Same, I got kind of emotional, and I was not
Speaker 3: expecting that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, I mean obviously for you and I,
Speaker 2: I mean, we do have such a specific relationship with
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park, and he is so integral in that movie
Speaker 2: that you know, we just sort of formed a real
Speaker 2: relationship with Sam Neil as Alan Grant, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 2: to your point, you know, I'm like, I'm glad we
Speaker 2: got to see him play that role one last time.
Speaker 2: You know, I think the movie did justice to his character.
Speaker 2: Even if the movie was hit or miss, you know.
Speaker 3: We were definitely at the very least happy to see
Speaker 3: him again, you know.
Speaker 2: And and just you know, beyond just the sadness we
Speaker 2: feel as fans, and you know what I you know,
Speaker 2: obviously what his family's going through. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: something very beautiful has been the almost uniform admiration for
Speaker 2: his kindness and just just decency. There are no bad
Speaker 2: Sam Neil stories. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I kept seeing a word come up which was protective, hm,
Speaker 3: you know, with the child actors from Jurassic Park, Lord Dern,
Speaker 3: and I just I found that very interesting and like
Speaker 3: what a what a quality that you would love to
Speaker 3: have someone say about you. It's like they're very protective
Speaker 3: of me. I felt very safe with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was a there was a you know,
Speaker 2: Arianna Richards, who who played Lex in Jurassic Park. She
Speaker 2: posted posted something nice on on Instagram. Joe Mazzello, who
Speaker 2: was tim Uh. He posted a video which I mean
Speaker 2: I got I got choked up watching it. You know
Speaker 2: how he had he how he didn't even realize Sam
Speaker 2: Neil was still like following him right this many decades
Speaker 2: later and just saying, you know, keep it up, Joey.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I think he had just had a
Speaker 3: movie come out or something.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Sam commented on it like, yeah, keep it up, that's great,
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, I didn't even know you were
Speaker 3: tracking what I was up to.
Speaker 2: Just the like the little kindnesses, you know, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I saw Bryce Howard she posted. Sam was exactly who
Speaker 2: you hoped he'd be. Funny, warm, wickedly self deprecating, endlessly kind,
Speaker 2: a beautiful human being who happened to also be Alan
Speaker 2: Grant and what a career by the way, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously Jurassic Park right, that's the thing. I mean, you
Speaker 2: and I included like that's what immediately what we think of.
Speaker 2: But but what range you know a hunt Fred October.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I would like to have seen Montana. Yeah, yeah, right, heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: You know, by Centennial Man. You know there's a movie
Speaker 2: I come back to again and again. I was telling Amana.
Speaker 2: I was like, when Robin Williams died, I watched by
Speaker 2: Centennial Man, When James Horner died, I watched by Centennial Man.
Speaker 2: And now I want to watch by Centennial Man again. Yep,
Speaker 2: you know, oh gosh, I mean, you know, Dead Calm
Speaker 2: in the Mouth of Madness, Event Horizon, like Hide for
Speaker 2: the Wilder People, Hunt for the Wilder People. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Julian Dannison, who starred in that film. He also posted
Speaker 2: a lovely remembrance of him. Of course, he played the
Speaker 2: He played the actor playing Odin in Thor Ragnarok, right,
Speaker 2: you know Escape Plan that stallone Schwartzenegger. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: had like a key supporting role in that. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what it was always like a characteristic
Speaker 3: was sort of a warmth. Right when he's playing the
Speaker 3: doctor in this prison, It's not like someone with a
Speaker 3: cigarette hanging out of his mouth, who doesn't believe anybody.
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a you realize you could
Speaker 3: if there's anyone you could possibly trust in this hellish place. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe it's this guy. And I think of a bicentennial man.
Speaker 3: You could have the inventor of this cyborg sort of character,
Speaker 3: be a little wacky or a little unhinged or you know,
Speaker 3: but there's a warmth. There's a fatherly quality to that character,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, frankly, the thing to me that
Speaker 3: encapsulates him so strongly. I just rewatched Jurrassic Park. I
Speaker 3: mentioned it's my favorite line, and it's my brother and I.
Speaker 3: His favorite line is after the t Rex situation and
Speaker 3: Lex is freaking out and saying, you know, he left
Speaker 3: us about the lawyer he left us, and then he
Speaker 3: gets this incredible Spielberg heroque shot That's not what I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do. And it's funny because you know, Harrison Ford
Speaker 3: was who Steven Spielberg originally wanted for that role, and
Speaker 3: you can I can picture that version, but it feels
Speaker 3: a little bit more like a movie star. It feels
Speaker 3: a little bit more you're not exactly sure what he's
Speaker 3: always thinking, you know, with this guy. But what Sam
Speaker 3: Neil brought to that character was what seems to be
Speaker 3: inherently him, which is a stoicism, but like a warmth,
Speaker 3: you know, and a graciousness and like a dad energy frankly,
Speaker 3: And what I love is, you know, I think about
Speaker 3: the We talk often about the movie Home Alone and
Speaker 3: why it's endured, and we say, because it's more than
Speaker 3: a boy just throwing pink cans at burglars. It's about
Speaker 3: a child learning to grow up a little and think
Speaker 3: about other people. There's a warmth and there's a humanity.
Speaker 3: That is the secret sauce to that movie, and that's
Speaker 3: why people still love it all these years later. And
Speaker 3: I think that's the secret sauce to Jurassic Park, because
Speaker 3: it's not just about people getting eaten by dinosaurs. We
Speaker 3: start with a guy who was a little grumpy and
Speaker 3: doesn't like kids, or thinks he doesn't like kids, and
Speaker 3: over the course of the movie, I've always loved the
Speaker 3: moment too where he goes up into the tree and
Speaker 3: Tim's scared and he's like, I threw up. He's like,
Speaker 3: I won't tell anyone you threw up. It's so like
Speaker 3: dad like and warm, and then we have you know,
Speaker 3: when the kids cuddle up with him in the tree
Speaker 3: and he's a little surprised by it, but they feel
Speaker 3: immediately comfortable with this guy. And then we end with
Speaker 3: the movie with them falling asleep on him in the
Speaker 3: helicopter and he gives that really nice smile, that lovely
Speaker 3: smile to Lord Dern, Like, that's the secret sauce of
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2: Well, and one moment you didn't mention is when he
Speaker 2: touches the electrified fence.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the playfulness, right, and that incredible smile he
Speaker 3: gives that funny dad joke. He just made a great
Speaker 3: dad joke, you know, and it's just, yeah, like that's
Speaker 3: something only he could bring to that character. That's why
Speaker 3: we still love that character so much. And I think
Speaker 3: that's why that movie especially endures in our hearts, yeah,
Speaker 3: all these years later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and you know that's sort of like, in
Speaker 2: terms of cinematic legacy, you know, Jurassic Park ensures that
Speaker 2: Sam Neil will be watched and admired for for forever,
Speaker 2: right above and beyond all the other work that he did,
Speaker 2: But just as important, more important is his legacy of
Speaker 2: just kindness and and that's not something you can fake.
Speaker 2: It's it's something that that I think all of us
Speaker 2: can learn from. I mean, you and I we've just
Speaker 2: been sharing, you know, texts back and forth, the various
Speaker 2: people uh uh telling stories about him, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's like that that's not you know, that, that's not
Speaker 2: a manufactured persona. That's what's there, right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right, and it shined through in his roles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, absolutely so so just truly like for
Speaker 2: for for the world of film. I mean it really it.
Speaker 2: I'm sad for all of the performances that were yet
Speaker 2: to come that we're not we're not going to see.
Speaker 2: But but what a what a legacy to leave behind,
Speaker 2: both on screen and off.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Oh and and one thing I did want to mention
Speaker 2: about Sam neil He a couple of years ago, three
Speaker 2: years ago, he put out an autobiography called Did I
Speaker 2: Ever Tell You This?
Speaker 3: Oh, now that you say it, I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And and I had back in the day,
Speaker 2: you know, I downloaded the audio book and I listened
Speaker 2: to it, and so I've been listening to that the
Speaker 2: last couple of days.
Speaker 3: Well now that, yeah, i'd really like to listen to that.
Speaker 3: I think I'm assuming he narrates it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he read it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has such like a soothing, you know, demeanor.
Speaker 3: I bet it's a pleasant thing to listen to.
Speaker 2: I really, because I know a lot of folks right
Speaker 2: now are definitely feeling that. You know, it's hard to
Speaker 2: to really sum up, you know, the loss of like
Speaker 2: a celebrity who you didn't know, But we do form
Speaker 2: these parasocial relationships.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's valid, you know. But I found
Speaker 2: personally over the last few days just listening to this audiobook,
Speaker 2: I just found it very pleasant. You know. It's just
Speaker 2: just sort of a way of connecting and remembering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I definitely want to maybe go on audible
Speaker 3: and yeah I give that a download.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, it's called Did I ever tell
Speaker 2: you this?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 2: So Sam Neil rip In other news, Hey, Mowana is
Speaker 2: in theaters.
Speaker 3: Again again again again.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't mean the twenty sixteen animated film. I
Speaker 2: mean the scene for seeing Gus Van Sant's style live
Speaker 2: action remake.
Speaker 3: I have not heard anyone make that comparison. That is genius.
Speaker 3: That is genius. Well, and also I say again again again,
Speaker 3: because there was a sequel just like a year ago or.
Speaker 2: Something, right, it was last year, right, and it made
Speaker 2: a billion plus.
Speaker 3: There you go, people like Mohana, well, man.
Speaker 2: This is so this one. And I should say I
Speaker 2: have not seen My wife did see it, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like the exact same thing. But it opened in
Speaker 2: like Supergirl territory.
Speaker 3: M yeah, they're close to it.
Speaker 2: Forty three million dollars in North America. This is like
Speaker 2: a two hundred and fifty million dollar movie.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: And that's before marketing and all the other fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a factor in another one hundred millions. So
Speaker 2: I mean this thing is cooked. Yeah, right, And I
Speaker 2: am sort of fascinated at this movie's existence because it
Speaker 2: really does feel like something no one was asking for.
Speaker 3: Well, and the conversation around these Disney live action remix
Speaker 3: is always like, is this These are just cynical cash grabs, right,
Speaker 3: Like they're taking stuff from their catalog that already exists,
Speaker 3: it's already beloved, and then they're just making a live
Speaker 3: action version because they know it's guaranteed millions for them,
Speaker 3: whether or not anyone ever even enjoys them or will
Speaker 3: ever revisit them, like, are these the choices when you
Speaker 3: know you want to show your kid snow White? Are
Speaker 3: you ever going to show them the live action Snowhite?
Speaker 3: Are you going to show them the original snow White?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know, so it feels a little cynical, but this one,
Speaker 3: you know, was like, well, this is undeniably cynical because
Speaker 3: this movie's not even ten years old and we're already
Speaker 3: remaking it. And yeah, they just know or they assumed
Speaker 3: everyone would show up and it would make a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well, and it feels like they were they
Speaker 2: were banking a lot on the appeal of seeing Dwayne
Speaker 2: Johnson play Maui in real life. Yeah, which I mean
Speaker 2: clearly they were overestimating the appeal of that proposition.
Speaker 3: Well, and do you also think that they were worried
Speaker 3: about him aging out of it a little bit? So
Speaker 3: it's like, let's do it while the getting's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm sure. I'm sure that was a factor.
Speaker 2: Although it's interesting because I was talking to some of
Speaker 2: my students about this, you know, this past semester, and
Speaker 2: I was like, well, you know, I mean, you gotta
Speaker 2: have Dwayne Johnson, Like we was going to play Maui, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't care about that.
Speaker 3: Oh, really interesting.
Speaker 2: There's no inherent necessity in their minds of having Dwayne
Speaker 2: Johnson playing Maui.
Speaker 3: H maybe that's something that would have made more since
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago or something where he was this big
Speaker 3: superstar that everybody at least seemed to like, whether or
Speaker 3: not they liked his movies.
Speaker 2: Well, so that's the the There's sort of an intermingling
Speaker 2: of several factors here, right. Number one, this is this
Speaker 2: entire summer is proving the proposition. And this is just
Speaker 2: like the cherry on top that if you wheel out
Speaker 2: the same old thing, if you if you have a
Speaker 2: wheelbarro of shit and tell people it's sugar, they will
Speaker 2: eventually stop turning up. Right. And look, last year Leelo
Speaker 2: and Stitch made a billion.
Speaker 3: Plus mm hmm yeah yeah right.
Speaker 2: And so's the what's the missing ingredient? I think time, right,
Speaker 2: Leelo and Stitch was twenty plus years ago, So I
Speaker 2: think it really needs to be an intergenerational prospect right
Speaker 2: where somebody takes their kids, right. I think Moana has
Speaker 2: not been around long enough. I also think, and this
Speaker 2: is something you and I talked about during our Troy commentary.
Speaker 2: How it just it looks unappealing.
Speaker 3: M M.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it looks like live action people plopped into
Speaker 2: the same exact digital environments from the animated film yep,
Speaker 2: and it's not doing anything different. So, I mean all
Speaker 2: of these factors, right, But to me, big picture, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: the Rock is a diminished people's champion at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part of it for sure.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a bummer, right because I mean, during
Speaker 2: the life of this podcast, we've seen him be a
Speaker 2: stride Hollywood like a colossus. Yeah, but everything that goes
Speaker 2: up comes down.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I guess what I'm really fascinated by is
Speaker 3: it did seem like these Disney live action remakes were
Speaker 3: just fishing a barrel. That's right, because a couple movies
Speaker 3: aside they were, Yeah, And so it just seemed like,
Speaker 3: whether or not anyone felt this was cynical, it was
Speaker 3: still going to succeed in spite of all of that.
Speaker 3: And so it's just amazing to me that for the
Speaker 3: first time people kind of said no, not this time.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, right, because because snow White flopped
Speaker 2: last year and this opened somewhere in the same range, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you could chalk that up to you know, the
Speaker 2: dwarves looked vaguely hideous, yeah, and the you know, you know,
Speaker 2: some people said, oh, Rachel Ziggler made political comments, and
Speaker 2: there was a backlash of that. Who knows, But I
Speaker 2: think fundamentally the real reason that one flopped is that
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who has like a deep like
Speaker 2: love of the Disney snow White.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just more an important part of its history
Speaker 3: than I think people who are dressing up like snow
Speaker 3: White or exactly.
Speaker 2: So it's so it lacks that that you know, parents
Speaker 2: taking their kids with them factor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even probably maybe most importantly with a lot
Speaker 3: of these dizzy movies, the songs, and I mean like
Speaker 3: the soundtracks that you're playing in the minivan when you're
Speaker 3: driving the kids around, Like, I don't know that many
Speaker 3: people are playing the snow White soundtrack, right.
Speaker 2: Hi ho, Hi ho. Nobody's playing that, right And and
Speaker 2: you know, so it's almost like between the two between
Speaker 2: snow White and Wan and we have the poles like
Speaker 2: that one the original is too old, this one, the
Speaker 2: original is too new. But why I wanted to bring
Speaker 2: this up is I think we're seeing is sort of
Speaker 2: the tale of the Summer because we have enough underperformers
Speaker 2: and overperformers to start mapping out what people are responding to. Right. So,
Speaker 2: so we have Mawana, we have Supergirl Mastered the Universe,
Speaker 2: obviously massive underperformers, right, which just speaks to the fact
Speaker 2: that it's people are not interested in those. And you
Speaker 2: can't say, oh, people aren't going to the movies anymore
Speaker 2: because of course obsession back rooms huge hits. But guess
Speaker 2: what Franchise Pictures Toy Story five headed for a billion dollars?
Speaker 2: You know, uh that that proves that, Well, it's not
Speaker 2: like people are just rejecting anything with the number at
Speaker 2: the end, right, I just and and obviously the Odyssey
Speaker 2: is going to be a I mean we're staring at
Speaker 2: the barrel of a massive, massive opening. And then you
Speaker 2: mentioned Project Hill Mary earlier, this earlier, this year is
Speaker 2: not a summer movie. But guess what huge hit people
Speaker 2: showed up? So what what what can we infer based
Speaker 2: on all.
Speaker 3: Of these I'm curious, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well? I think for me, it's really if you build it,
Speaker 2: they'll come m hm, right, But it has to be
Speaker 2: a sturdy construct. I think I think Toy Story five. Look,
Speaker 2: what has worked in that franchise favor is that they
Speaker 2: wait mm hmm right. So again it's like, oh, they
Speaker 2: thought they were done with three. Oh why are they
Speaker 2: making another one? It's like, oh, it's a cynical cash
Speaker 2: grap okay, But they still waited nine years before they
Speaker 2: made the fourth one. They waited, you know, seven years
Speaker 2: before they made the fifth one.
Speaker 3: And I think that really shows a savviness with the audience.
Speaker 3: Because if you build a new Mowana, we like Moana one,
Speaker 3: so then you make a Mawana two, Well, people want
Speaker 3: to see the further adventures of those characters. But if
Speaker 3: you just, like you were saying, do like a karaoke
Speaker 3: or a pyche Gus van sant psycho of the first one, Yep,
Speaker 3: people sniffed that out and was like, well no, I
Speaker 3: mean and I do. I would like to believe that
Speaker 3: people people saw how it looked and kind of even
Speaker 3: subconsciously rejected it.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. How do you spend that much money
Speaker 2: and have it seem so lifeless?
Speaker 3: You know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: It's odd, and I think that again, it's not that
Speaker 2: people are rejecting sequels out of hand. It's just give
Speaker 2: us something new, even if it's infamiliar trappings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you said, I mean toy story.
Speaker 3: If they had a toy story like two three years ago,
Speaker 3: I don't know that would have had as big an
Speaker 3: opening this year. But those are characters we still love.
Speaker 3: They know it. They took their time and we showed up,
Speaker 3: you know. And then also I like that there are
Speaker 3: the surprises Project tail Mary. I never would have guessed
Speaker 3: it would have done as well as it did, but
Speaker 3: someone trusted their gut and was like, hey, this book's great,
Speaker 3: this is going to make a great movie. And it
Speaker 3: worked because it was good and people believed in it
Speaker 3: and they made a good movie. And Obsession, you know,
Speaker 3: that could have just been one of those horror things
Speaker 3: that got released on shutter and and you know, certain
Speaker 3: people are aware of it and then you never hear
Speaker 3: about it again. But it's like, there's something to this,
Speaker 3: and so people showed up and word of mouth is
Speaker 3: great and made more money than anyone could have imagined.
Speaker 3: Like the good stuff rising to the top. It's like
Speaker 3: the way you'd like for it to work.
Speaker 2: It's it's actually a reassuring story when you look at
Speaker 2: the overall trajectory of the box office this summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the variety of the things that are succeeding. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right, like the good stuff. People are seem to
Speaker 3: be sniffing it out and showing up for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part. And by the way, you know,
Speaker 2: you look at Disclosure Day. I think Disclosure Day is
Speaker 2: an interesting test case, right, because it's not it's not
Speaker 2: a sequel or a franchise picture. But I mean, I
Speaker 2: suppose Spielberg himself is the franchise, you know, right, and
Speaker 2: say what you will. I mean, I think it'll end
Speaker 2: up underperforming. But people did turn up opening weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so there was curiosity at play. Yeah, so people are like,
Speaker 2: this is what I'm saying. People are interested and something different.
Speaker 2: And when I say different, it I don't mean they
Speaker 2: don't want franchise. They want something different within that franchise.
Speaker 2: And so the reaction to Supergirls very telling. First of all,
Speaker 2: people didn't even show up. People that did see it
Speaker 2: are like, well, it just feels like the same old thing.
Speaker 2: It feels like a million other.
Speaker 3: Things, right, right.
Speaker 2: Again, you look at you look at the Odyssey and
Speaker 2: what are we hearing? Oh? You know the Imax screens
Speaker 2: are sold out. Yeah, I was actually just looking this
Speaker 2: morning before we got on at the AMC just right
Speaker 2: by my house, and I mean two o'clock show completely
Speaker 2: sold out. You know, there's like a handful of seats left.
Speaker 2: Spider Man is going to be a hit in a few.
Speaker 3: Weeks because we love Spider Man and we haven't seen him.
Speaker 2: In a while exactly, and it's gonna be something different, right, So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think all of this is actually kind
Speaker 2: of reassuring in a weird way.
Speaker 3: I do too, Actually, I like what this summer sort
Speaker 3: of seems to be telling.
Speaker 2: Now. So that said, and this is something we mentioned recently.
Speaker 2: You know, Paramount is still kicking the tires on a
Speaker 2: new G I. Joe movie, yes, which, like I I
Speaker 2: suspect that might not be a worthy investment, but I
Speaker 2: am interested because Danny McBride, who is a professed not
Speaker 2: just G I. Joe fan, but specifically a fan of
Speaker 2: the Marvel Comics run of G I. Joe, which is
Speaker 2: just that's my you know, that's my lingua franca. You know,
Speaker 2: that's like that's my er text, you know. So that
Speaker 2: for him, That's that's what's inspired him. So he wrote
Speaker 2: a script and it's just been announced as of this morning.
Speaker 2: He's also directing that movie. He's making his directorial debut,
Speaker 2: and it's looking like the film is going to star
Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper. Interesting and that actually the McBride of it
Speaker 2: is is kind of interesting because he's never directed, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, if he obviously he must have a
Speaker 2: hell of a pitch for Paramount to hire to direct it, right,
Speaker 2: But like, Bradley Cooper does not need to do a
Speaker 2: Gi Joe movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's off playing Leonard Bernstein and like, yeah.
Speaker 2: He's well removed from the Hangover days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there must be something here.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm like, hmm, interesting, you know, because initially,
Speaker 2: initially Chris Hamswerth was attached, and that actually had made
Speaker 2: less interested than Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 3: Agreed, even though I'm always sort of sticking up for
Speaker 3: him and wondering why he's not a bigger star. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he's done some shit yeah yeah. Yeah. So I
Speaker 3: also wonder when I first heard about this if this
Speaker 3: was one of those window closing sorts of things been there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, because the last two or three G I
Speaker 3: Joe movies, I'm sure they did okay, but they didn't
Speaker 3: set the world on fire.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the first one did well enough to
Speaker 2: warrant a sequel. Yeah, sequel. I think it made a
Speaker 2: little under five hundred worldwide, which just like rarefied air
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The third one came out during or just after the pandemic,
Speaker 2: so that one just totally died. I would say, unlike
Speaker 2: Masters of the Universe Gi Joe, there is still well
Speaker 2: you know what mass is the universe too, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: they are making toys, It's just it's aimed at collectors.
Speaker 2: So g I Joe is in like the exact same
Speaker 2: box as as Masters of the Universe. Mm hm so
Speaker 2: if I I mean, we're way out here. I don't
Speaker 2: even know if they ever call action on this thing.
Speaker 2: But I think it's a risky proposition, is what I
Speaker 2: would say.
Speaker 3: I agree, But what excites me about it? With those
Speaker 3: previous films, I don't remember them at all. I don't remember.
Speaker 3: They didn't feel like GI Joe movies to me in
Speaker 3: my mind, even though I'm not the hugest fan, You're
Speaker 3: the big GI Joe guy, But like they just felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, fanciful military movies, you know, like slight
Speaker 3: sci fi leanings, but like mostly yeah, and I don't
Speaker 3: remember anything about them. I don't remember the characters. I
Speaker 3: remember The Rock was in one of them. Don't remember
Speaker 3: anything about that other than that he was. But this,
Speaker 3: I like is coming from a real fan, like you
Speaker 3: said of the of the text, and a guy with
Speaker 3: a very distinct interesting voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that that's what makes me excited about this, that
Speaker 3: this could at least be interesting. Whether or not, you know,
Speaker 3: the audience is there for it, I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I like Masters of the Universe. I suppose where I'm sitting,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. I just hope it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that McBride comes at it a' lah.
Speaker 2: Travis Knight m M. You know who was clearly he
Speaker 2: grew up with with Masters of Universe and he brought
Speaker 2: that to it, you know. And that's now I should say,
Speaker 2: actually the second jed Jo PHILM Jedjo Retaliation, that's the
Speaker 2: one at the Rock that's strict by John M.
Speaker 3: Cho Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who you had opportunity to work with recently,
Speaker 2: and uh, I could tell he was a fan. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, unlike Stephen Summers. He did the first film,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Stephen, this is like a paycheck
Speaker 2: for Stephen Summers.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like Michael Bay doing Transformers. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, he doesn't. He wants to make like
Speaker 2: military you know, a glorified military ad which happens to
Speaker 2: have transforming robots in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so then you stand down the wacky edges of
Speaker 3: what makes the property the property, But like, no, I
Speaker 3: want it to look like the thing. That's what I
Speaker 3: loved about Masters of the Universe. It got kind of
Speaker 3: goofy at the end. I was like, yes, right that
Speaker 3: it should be.
Speaker 2: Michael Bay's idea of goofy is like racist robots.
Speaker 3: It's crazy that you're not even joking.
Speaker 2: Nope, that's a real thing. Look it up, kids, that happened. Yes,
Speaker 2: that actually happened. So so anyway, I mean, I we're
Speaker 2: so far ahead of the starting gate as far as
Speaker 2: the g I Jode thing. I'm I'm curious. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: definitely more intrigued this morning than I was like a
Speaker 2: week ago. Yeah, but I yeah, to our point, you know,
Speaker 2: the window, if it's not closed, it's closing fast. But
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's a good thing. You know, the
Speaker 2: movies need to change. Sure, yeah, change can be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah to every season, that's right, speaking of to every season.
Speaker 2: The lead character of our movie that we're about to
Speaker 2: talk about go experiences many seasons. Let's talk about it
Speaker 2: on the other side of this.
Speaker 3: And now we're pleased to bring you our features.
Speaker 2: And we are back. And you know what else is back? Brian?
Speaker 2: What's that? Zachy? Why it's the sacking of Troy?
Speaker 3: Do we just leave this party right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: And by the way, I gotta say I felt very
Speaker 3: prepped for this after we had just done our Troy
Speaker 3: commentary because the story was fresh in my mind. It
Speaker 3: covers different you know, areas that are referenced in this movie,
Speaker 3: but we don't explicitly see so I don't know, people
Speaker 3: want to check out revisit Troy and want to listen
Speaker 3: to our commentary for that, I think they might get
Speaker 3: something out of it.
Speaker 2: It has been interesting over the last few weeks. Just
Speaker 2: I mean, I had the thought about us doing a
Speaker 2: Troy commentary like like six months ago, right when I
Speaker 2: knew that the audisty was coming. But it feels like
Speaker 2: a lot of other folks had the same idea of
Speaker 2: revisiting it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you were ahead of it, and I remember
Speaker 3: when you suggested it to me, I was like, I
Speaker 3: totally understand. This is a good idea, but I hadn't
Speaker 3: thought about that movie in twenty some years. So I
Speaker 3: was like, well, yeah, I guess, I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 3: That was the feeling that I had, like, I guess
Speaker 3: this makes sense. And then when I watched it, I
Speaker 3: enjoyed revisiting it, and I do think it was a
Speaker 3: great conversation. But yes, now I'm seeing it pop up
Speaker 3: everywhere and like honest trailers and all these other sorts
Speaker 3: of things. So you were ahead of it weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm glad we revisited it, and I'm I'm
Speaker 2: glad that we were able to point out where Troy
Speaker 2: the film is stick to the original story and where
Speaker 2: it veers, because I think, at least for me, that
Speaker 2: was a good refresher and it prepped me for what
Speaker 2: we see in the Odyssey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and during the commentary, you are way better versed
Speaker 3: in this story than I am, and so you were
Speaker 3: pointing out, well, Troy sort of tweaks this so this
Speaker 3: person has this feeling about this, but that's not exactly
Speaker 3: what happens in the original story. And I was thankful
Speaker 3: to have that context in my mind when I was
Speaker 3: watching The Odyssey, because some people behave in ways that
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, well, that's a little different than
Speaker 3: they look on it in Troy, but makes sense because
Speaker 3: of what you explained.
Speaker 2: Well, the Odyssey is in theaters, yes, and I.
Speaker 3: Have to ask before we get into it. I'm curious
Speaker 3: what format you saw it in. And I'm also curious
Speaker 3: if you saw the Dune three preview.
Speaker 2: Well, so I saw it at the big Imax in
Speaker 2: downtown San Francisco, the one you and I have been to.
Speaker 2: We watched a dial of Destiny there. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: promise was that we would be watching the seventy milimeter print,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately the morning of we got an email saying, hey,
Speaker 2: we're having issues with the projector Oh no, so we're
Speaker 2: going to show the digital copy.
Speaker 3: Okay, but still on the enormous true Imax screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I did miss out on seventy, but I
Speaker 2: hope I'll get the change. I mean, now that joint
Speaker 2: is just like booked up from now until until you know,
Speaker 2: several years from now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because tickets went on sale literally a year ago,
Speaker 3: July fifteenth, twenty twenty five. So that's what's crazy to
Speaker 3: be the people who are at the first showings yesterday,
Speaker 3: but their tickets a year in advance, so that was
Speaker 3: not dedication. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I didn't get the seventy milimeter experience. I
Speaker 2: did get the massive Imax experience, which I'm glad for.
Speaker 2: There was no Dune promo in front of it, however, Oh.
Speaker 3: That must have been attached then I'm guessing.
Speaker 2: Too that, yeah, because because Dune is Warner Brothers, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or I'm just thinking, even like they didn't have
Speaker 3: it on a DCP or something like that must be
Speaker 3: attached to the actual reels of the film.
Speaker 2: Then, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah. I saw it at the Chinese theater
Speaker 3: and it was seventy millimeters Imax, which I didn't know.
Speaker 3: So that was pretty amazing and overwhelming. And it did
Speaker 3: I will say this, then it did have the Dune preview,
Speaker 3: and I was like, holy crap, dude, I was not
Speaker 3: prepared honestly. I mean, the past two movies have continued
Speaker 3: to show us really amazing, colossal you know vision. This
Speaker 3: was like, and this is no slight against Denny and
Speaker 3: his vision, because this is his vision. It's amazing. But
Speaker 3: I was like, this looks like if Christopher Nolan did
Speaker 3: Star Wars. Really it's epic, epic, and it's funny because
Speaker 3: I was the my buddy who's like, I know, I like,
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed Doom, but I don't really care about it
Speaker 3: that much. I'm not sure I'm really looking forward to three.
Speaker 3: As soon as it was over, he leaned over and
Speaker 3: he went, I'm in. So it's a battle scene and
Speaker 3: it is epic.
Speaker 2: I'm in. Well, I mean I'm already on board obviously,
Speaker 2: but now now I'm even more on board. I've moved
Speaker 2: further on board. I was on an aisle seat, now
Speaker 2: I'm now I'm in the middle.
Speaker 3: You're in the middle, sparely in the middle, tied up
Speaker 3: to the mast or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's right, yep, So real quick, before we get into
Speaker 2: our discussion about thought, we're recording this the Friday morning after.
Speaker 2: It's a preview night and it's already on pace. For
Speaker 2: let's see the biggest Thursday previews of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: seventeen point six million dollars. That's just in previews. So
Speaker 2: this is going to end up doing very well. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be front loaded, so I
Speaker 2: would not be surprised at all if we see one
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars plus opening weekend. That seems that seems
Speaker 2: like we're well on our way to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I had reserved seats, so I'm
Speaker 3: used to just being able to walk in and go
Speaker 3: right where I had sat. But there was a line
Speaker 3: outside the theater that went all the way down the
Speaker 3: block just to wait to get in.
Speaker 2: I mean there when I went to the press screening,
Speaker 2: there was a there was a line for the press screening.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then when I got out, it was about ten
Speaker 3: at night, there was another line. And then I saw
Speaker 3: on Instagram on the Chinese Theater's page, they had a
Speaker 3: video of the line waiting for the one fifty am screening.
Speaker 2: Good lord. Yeah, that's that's too rich for my blood
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's dedication.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. So okay, well, well I will
Speaker 2: I will say that. You know, normally, you and I
Speaker 2: you know, and people listen to the show. Note like
Speaker 2: we don't talk about our our responses after we watch it.
Speaker 2: Occasionally I make an exception, and I've done that twice. Now.
Speaker 2: Three years ago, after I watched Oppenheimer, I pulled up
Speaker 2: my phone and I texted you F and Christopher Nolan yep.
Speaker 2: And then now three years later, I walk out of
Speaker 2: the Odyssey and I just text you F and Christopher
Speaker 2: Nolan yep. It has become my now traditional post Nolan
Speaker 2: movie text. Yes, so you knew you already knew that
Speaker 2: that I loved it. See you better have loved it?
Speaker 2: What'd you think?
Speaker 3: Well, now I'm happy to know where that TSG Entertainment
Speaker 3: vanity logo card comes from. You know what I'm talking
Speaker 3: about with the guy, yes, shooting the arrow through the ACEIs.
Speaker 3: I always was like, huh, I wonder what that is.
Speaker 2: I want to say, actually, before we even get into it,
Speaker 2: there something oddly soothing about the sound when Odysseus shoots
Speaker 2: an arrow. I was like, I think that's my new
Speaker 2: ASMR is shooting era.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this this is why there are movie theaters. This
Speaker 3: is a colossal spectacle that it's it's it's almost overwhelming, honestly,
Speaker 3: and nobody is doing this but Nolan and I don't
Speaker 3: know if anyone else can. I don't given the resources,
Speaker 3: the resources he is afforded, of course, but also just
Speaker 3: the scope, Like nobody is making movies of this scope
Speaker 3: like Nolan, and he is successful at it. So this
Speaker 3: is an experience, right, like it was. You're watching these
Speaker 3: ships and I'm sure there's trickery and things at play,
Speaker 3: but like he is so committed to doing as much
Speaker 3: as possible in camera. Yeah, and I'm certain this movie.
Speaker 3: See that's the thing like with Tom Cruise and him
Speaker 3: saying he does his own stunts, I'm sure he does
Speaker 3: a lot more stunts than many actors do. But like,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are a lot of stunt people who
Speaker 3: are doing things in here we're not aware of that
Speaker 3: are like, hmmm, a little grumbly, that's right. I'm sure
Speaker 3: there are a lot of visual effects in this movie,
Speaker 3: so I don't want to say like, yeah, no visual effects,
Speaker 3: way to go, Nolan. I'm sure there are tons, but
Speaker 3: you don't notice them. And what he does is the
Speaker 3: thing why we always go back to Jurassic Park saying
Speaker 3: why is this movie from nineteen ninety three with these
Speaker 3: computer effects look better than movies now? And it's because
Speaker 3: of the perfect employment yea, you know, the judicious employment
Speaker 3: of this we need a computer, this I think will
Speaker 3: look and land better if we try it practically, and
Speaker 3: the perfect marriage of those two things. And that's what
Speaker 3: I think he is continuing to do. And that's why
Speaker 3: I didn't Everything looked real to me in this movie
Speaker 3: as crazy as a cyclops. Somehow looked real to me
Speaker 3: in this movie. And yes, I mean this is why
Speaker 3: we go to the theater. I recommend go check this out.
Speaker 3: I do want to say specifically for myself, and I
Speaker 3: said this when it was announced that they were going
Speaker 3: to do this movie. I'm not a big Greek mythology person,
Speaker 3: and even as a kid when they taught us these
Speaker 3: stories in school, I just kind of didn't connect with them.
Speaker 3: And I'll admit there was a point in the middle
Speaker 3: of this movie where we are going through sort of
Speaker 3: these episodes, and some episodes I connected with a little
Speaker 3: bit more than others, and I was a little like,
Speaker 3: oh no, like I'm admiring the grandeur of all this
Speaker 3: and the accomplishment of all this.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about the middle portion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of the Odyssey, the.
Speaker 2: God damn it, stay on the boat.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, So I did have this feeling like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: like I again, scope incredible, but like, am I connecting
Speaker 3: with this? But this is a three hour movie? Like
Speaker 3: stick with it, you know what I mean? And I
Speaker 3: still don't know that I'm like going to go off
Speaker 3: now and read all these stories and feel differently about them.
Speaker 3: But what I do think is that Nolan found a
Speaker 3: way to really make me connect with the humanity in
Speaker 3: these fantastical tales and then it all comes together in
Speaker 3: the end to something that just feels human and exhilarating
Speaker 3: and emotional. And my theater was cheering over and over
Speaker 3: and I don't clap a lot in theaters, and I
Speaker 3: think I spontaneously clapped like two or three times just
Speaker 3: because it was like, oh, I was so swept up
Speaker 3: in it. I just had to let my body, had
Speaker 3: to let up that release. So, yes, this is something
Speaker 3: I can't wait to watch again because it's a lot
Speaker 3: of movie. It's overwhelming. Yeah, but yeah, that was my
Speaker 3: journey with it, like halfway through, like, yeah, these are
Speaker 3: tales that sometimes I connect with and sometimes I don't,
Speaker 3: but then when it all came together at the end,
Speaker 3: and looking at it as a whole. Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a huge achievement. I really enjoyed it and
Speaker 3: I can't wait to watch it again.
Speaker 2: It may well be a career best performance by Matt
Speaker 2: Damon totally. I mean it's you know, and that's saying
Speaker 2: something because my man doesn't miss he's he is consistently good.
Speaker 3: And you think about it. In Interstellar, he plays the
Speaker 3: heel yeah, like one of the like a person you
Speaker 3: just want to punch so bad, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And then here, you know, it's just amazing. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: he he when you look at him, some actors disappear
Speaker 3: and I don't know that Damon always disappears, but he
Speaker 3: always does become that person. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when you say that, the same guy
Speaker 2: who played Odysseus plays you know, Sonny in Air. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know that's reflective of his range.
Speaker 3: That's well, that's a good point, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And what I like about this character too is you know,
Speaker 3: I'm sort of conditioned watching a lot of American movies
Speaker 3: to have an idea of what a hero looks like,
Speaker 3: what American movies tell me a hero is like, and
Speaker 3: then occasionally he'll do stuff in this movie where I'm like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and it took me a second thing
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, he's not like some stoic, perfect hero.
Speaker 3: He you know, there's in some translations I think he's
Speaker 3: introduced as a complicated man. Yeah, and he is. He
Speaker 3: does some things where you're like, dude, no, what yea?
Speaker 3: But I like that, and I once I got used
Speaker 3: to that and settled into he's not going to be
Speaker 3: that Matt Damon. Yes, you know, you know, follow that
Speaker 3: man anywhere. It's like, no, sometimes he does things I
Speaker 3: don't agree with and I don't sometimes you don't like
Speaker 3: them apples, yes, yes, I like that. It's it's makes
Speaker 3: it a complex story, you.
Speaker 2: Know, before we get into the details. Speaking of Matt Damon,
Speaker 2: I read an interview with him last week where he
Speaker 2: was talking about his just getting in shape for the role,
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, a lot of times I'll
Speaker 2: be like, oh, what is my like when are you
Speaker 2: going to shoot like my shirtless scene? And then he
Speaker 2: just prepares for that. But he's like, for this one,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be more steady. I wanted to
Speaker 2: have more of a normal physique and have it be
Speaker 2: something achievable for me at my age. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: rock on and then we see him with his shirt off,
Speaker 2: I know, and I'm like, you son of a pitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's that's steady for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that's just mean. Yeah, that's not right Ryan.
Speaker 3: But it's funny because I mean you think about, yeah,
Speaker 3: these people rowing boats and you know they would be
Speaker 3: really fit, yeah, right, like just by necessity really or
Speaker 3: just the life that they're leading. And I thought, yeah,
Speaker 3: that came across.
Speaker 2: So a couple of points we're talking, We're talking about
Speaker 2: Nolan and sort of what you said as far as
Speaker 2: like he's like the only guy who can make movies
Speaker 2: like this. Certainly at this point this is his moment.
Speaker 2: And you know, when we were discussing Troy, you know,
Speaker 2: we were talking about the irony of the fact that
Speaker 2: he was attached to do that movie and then just
Speaker 2: the wheel of fate was spinning in a different direction.
Speaker 2: He gets moved off of that, he does Batman and
Speaker 2: then you know, away he goes. But he never lost
Speaker 2: the itch to do something in the in the Homeric tradition, right,
Speaker 2: And what you realize is, well, he couldn't have made
Speaker 2: this movie in two thousand and four.
Speaker 3: Oh, totally like that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like Fate had other plans for him.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. He is Odysseus, that's right. Yeah, this, I
Speaker 2: mean thematically, what you realize is is the same way
Speaker 2: Spielberg has the pining for the father, uh you know,
Speaker 2: thematic terrain. I think what you realize at Nolan he
Speaker 2: has the pining for the children or child thematic terrain.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well that's interesting, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, very similar, right, and and it's it was very
Speaker 2: gratifying to me watching this because I I I've always
Speaker 2: enjoyed the story of the Odyssey. You know, I remember
Speaker 2: I was in I was telling my son that my
Speaker 2: son is he's my second one. He's he's he's like
Speaker 2: a huge Nolan pant. So it's like, oh, we're gonna
Speaker 2: go catch the early one. And he's like, and he
Speaker 2: just he spent the last month like listening to the
Speaker 2: audio book of the Odyssey, the Emily Wilson translation, which
Speaker 2: is what this one is based on. And I didn't,
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't read it since high school. But
Speaker 2: I was telling him, He's like, did you read it
Speaker 2: when you were younger? I was like, well even before
Speaker 2: high school. I you know, we were studying the Odyssey
Speaker 2: in fourth grade and we watched a film strip series.
Speaker 2: Yeah remember film strips?
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Like a portion of our audience is like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what that is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your Why do you want to explain it?
Speaker 2: Oh it's I mean I'm trying. It's like you have
Speaker 2: a strip of film and it's it's like in time
Speaker 2: with like an audio tape, and you would like listen
Speaker 2: to the audio and then you would have you know, slides. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's like a slide show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right right.
Speaker 2: And so it was like the whole Odyssey and we
Speaker 2: spent you know, maybe a week going over it, you know,
Speaker 2: and I just I remember being so like pulled in
Speaker 2: to the emotion of it and everything else that it.
Speaker 2: Watching this movie it took me back to that.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great, you know.
Speaker 2: And again it's like I don't I don't remember the
Speaker 2: the intricate details of the story, but you know the episodes,
Speaker 2: you know, the the Cyclops and and Circe and you
Speaker 2: know Calypso et cetera. You know, the return to Ithaca.
Speaker 2: So you know, it hit all those bases but more
Speaker 2: importantly for me it it does the work to make
Speaker 2: to make the film culminate in an emotionally satisfying way.
Speaker 3: Oh man, yeah.
Speaker 2: It ended, and without spoiling it, it ended, and I was like, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. There were so many times where
Speaker 3: I thought the movie could end here, like would be
Speaker 3: really satisfying if things were handled right now, and it
Speaker 3: keeps going, and I I was like, well, I guess
Speaker 3: that's just how the story goes, but I wonder if
Speaker 3: there's a way, like you could sort of synch this up,
Speaker 3: and it might, you know, you could, you could end
Speaker 3: this right now if you wanted. But I was completely wrong.
Speaker 3: The way that it is is executed is just so satisfying,
Speaker 3: and I love that it felt very Sometimes you watch
Speaker 3: movies like this and they feel a little like statues
Speaker 3: walking around and interacting with one another, but all the
Speaker 3: characters here felt very human, you know, Penelope's experience and
Speaker 3: even ultimately what we learn is Odysseus's experience and why
Speaker 3: he feels the way he does. I connected with it
Speaker 3: very much and loved that it was kind of a
Speaker 3: there are you know, seemingly gods and bigger things interacting
Speaker 3: with this story, but it really is about the things
Speaker 3: happening inside of everyone that this is really about. And
Speaker 3: I thought that was executed really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I you know, in our conversation about Troy, first
Speaker 2: of all, I should say I was surprised how much
Speaker 2: this film echoes Troy in what way? Well, specifically in
Speaker 2: terms of the fall of Troy. Yeah, oh yes, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, thematically and I would say visually very similar
Speaker 2: in terms of how they're depicted. But what both films
Speaker 2: did in different ways is they put the gods at
Speaker 2: arm's length. Yes, And you know that was something we
Speaker 2: talked about with with Troy, where Peterson was like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't. We want to make it like
Speaker 2: the people are making the decisions, you know, as opposed
Speaker 2: to Lawrence Olivier in a toga. You know. And I
Speaker 2: remember thinking before I saw The Odyssey, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: the Odyssey is I mean, it is a fantasy story,
Speaker 2: so you know, you can't pretend it's history, right, And
Speaker 2: that is true. Nolan did approach it that way, but
Speaker 2: even still, he found an interesting way of weaving in
Speaker 2: the gods that to me is very much in line
Speaker 2: with with Peterson's approach. To Troy. Mm hmmm, where And
Speaker 2: I don't think this is a spoiler, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's enough vaguary about the gods as they are
Speaker 2: present in this film, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: No, totally. I mean there are like there are shots
Speaker 3: with you know, Zendea as Athena, and Odysseus is seemingly
Speaker 3: interacting with her, but then they'll do another angle and
Speaker 3: you'll see he's by himself, So it could be something internal.
Speaker 2: Is it just is he just imagining something?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Right? But I found all this stuff very moving.
Speaker 2: No, I I agree, because because what it's doing is
Speaker 2: it's it's by virtue of framing the Athena character that way,
Speaker 2: it's actually giving some greater insight into into Odysseus's character
Speaker 2: and that you know, we see that play out and
Speaker 2: by the time the movie ends. You know, I like
Speaker 2: the ambiguity, and obviously that's a that's a place that
Speaker 2: that Nolan enjoys being. But I think what it ultimately
Speaker 2: allows is that you have this very expansive, fantastical story,
Speaker 2: but it's it's situated and concentrated within one person's trauma.
Speaker 3: M right.
Speaker 2: So it's three hours of going through o diseas's ptsd
Speaker 2: M and that that's not meant to be a deterrent.
Speaker 2: That's to me, that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the good stuff. Honestly. I mean it
Speaker 3: feels meaty and and human, you know, for for such
Speaker 3: a fantastical and potentially dusty tail.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and I will say, going in, you know,
Speaker 2: from the trailers, I was like, oh, is the Ithaca
Speaker 2: stuff really gonna work for me?
Speaker 3: The Suitors?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Suitors and just sort of you know, you know,
Speaker 2: Penelope waiting and Telemachus pining and you know, uh, but
Speaker 2: I loved all that stuff. That was so like, I
Speaker 2: feel like, and I was on board for all of
Speaker 2: the various episodes, which we'll talk about more in spoilers,
Speaker 2: But to me, I think the last third was the
Speaker 2: most interesting part of the movie for me. See, do
Speaker 2: we want to get into spoilers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I let's do it.
Speaker 2: Spoiler spoil away merrill.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There was a moment where, you know, the men
Speaker 3: are stranded on a beach, these soldiers, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: Nolan really does love soldiers stranded on a beach.
Speaker 2: That Dunkirk shades of Dunkirk can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess this isn't spoiler stuff, but I
Speaker 3: also wanted to comment on the score. You know, Nolan
Speaker 3: does this thing where sometimes his movies can feel like
Speaker 3: expansive montages, you know what I mean, Like there's a
Speaker 3: real sort of we don't need to sit in this scene.
Speaker 3: We're just going to show you enough of what's important
Speaker 3: here then go to something else. And there's score that
Speaker 3: isn't changing for each moment. It's just droning and pounding
Speaker 3: and pulling you through all these moments collected together, so
Speaker 3: it feels sort of montage like, right, and this one
Speaker 3: didn't do that as much, but there are definitely that
Speaker 3: that characteristic of his is present here and it really
Speaker 3: works to amazing effect. I mean, just the ending where
Speaker 3: everything like the screws are tightening and the scores you
Speaker 3: just feel your body like getting dease and you're waiting
Speaker 3: for that release and it's just it works so beautifully.
Speaker 3: Well spoiler if I'll say, going back to yes, the
Speaker 3: gods aspect is up for interpretation, but there are fantastical
Speaker 3: things happening in this movie that's right, right, And one
Speaker 3: of the things that I loved, which is just the
Speaker 3: perfect way for Nolan to interpret this, but it's still fantastical,
Speaker 3: is hades?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I loved it. It was such a brilliant
Speaker 3: Instead of having him go through some sort of cave
Speaker 3: and there's like flames and a river and you know,
Speaker 3: like whatever, just these sort of shadowy people slowly emerging
Speaker 3: from this like soil. I just I thought that was
Speaker 3: executed so well. And that the dead can't speak unless
Speaker 3: they put the blood little you know, the blood in
Speaker 3: their mouths and that's what gives them the ability to speak.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's from the story. I don't know, but I
Speaker 3: just it was just the right amount of Maybe that's it.
Speaker 3: Some fantasy just gets a little too away from my
Speaker 3: fingertips for me to buy into it, right, So Nolan
Speaker 3: is the perfect guy to bring this story to me
Speaker 3: where I can wrap my arms around it. But it
Speaker 3: is still fantastical, right, And it just really hit a
Speaker 3: sweet spot for me, and that that scene I think
Speaker 3: is the perfect example of that. I don't know what
Speaker 3: about for you.
Speaker 2: Well, it is funny that that Nolan sort of gets
Speaker 2: pegged as like the realism guy right when you look
Speaker 2: at like he made Interstellar, he made Inception. You know,
Speaker 2: these these are hard sci fi, hard fantasy stories, right,
Speaker 2: And so it's I think it's just sort of like
Speaker 2: a general aesthetic that he embodies that people sort of
Speaker 2: be like, oh, realism. It's like, yeah, but he makes
Speaker 2: he makes fantasy films.
Speaker 3: You know. That's a key word that you just said, aesthetic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he says realism aesthetic for like you said, hard sci
Speaker 3: fi concepts.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and and and yeah to your point, right,
Speaker 2: it's I mean you look at like the Odyssey, right,
Speaker 2: and you can you can imagine the sort of Lord
Speaker 2: of the Rings esque version, and Nolan goes in a
Speaker 2: different way. And I think the project ends up richer
Speaker 2: as a result, because it's more reflective of his sensibilities.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it stands apart and and kind of what we're
Speaker 2: alluding to, I think the fantasy elements all are in
Speaker 2: service of the journey of the character. Right. And this
Speaker 2: is where I think it differs tonally from the original
Speaker 2: story in that in that the original story is sort
Speaker 2: of vignette, you know, whereas here we're much we're foregrounding. Ah,
Speaker 2: we already know kind of where Odysseus ends up, because
Speaker 2: we're doing the usual you know, Nolan jumping around thing,
Speaker 2: and so I think that frames the story in a way.
Speaker 2: Where as as as we're jumping around in time, we
Speaker 2: have the ballast of like we know where you know
Speaker 2: what the present is m hm, where he's on the
Speaker 2: island with Calypso I think that helps, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I saw I haven't read a lot of
Speaker 3: other people's takes on this, but I did see someone say, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: the time jumping stuff worked, but maybe it's time for
Speaker 3: him to retire that. And I was like, he can
Speaker 3: retire it, well, you know, yeah, that's how he cut
Speaker 3: off his hand, you know. I agreed, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I was like, well, as long as it's working, why, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't. I didn't find it to be a gimmick.
Speaker 3: I found it very effective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Nolan doesn't think linearly. I think
Speaker 2: that's reflected in the stories he tells. H right, going
Speaker 2: from Memento to now every one of these well, I
Speaker 2: mean not so much the Dark Knight sequels, but even
Speaker 2: Batman begins jumps back and forth in time. I think
Speaker 2: that's just how he views stories. Yeah, you know, And
Speaker 2: and so in a way, by by by eschewing linearity,
Speaker 2: he's able to have the various portions of the story
Speaker 2: pay off each other in a much more meaningful way.
Speaker 2: I don't just as Oppenheimer ended exactly where it needed
Speaker 2: to in the way it needed to. I feel the
Speaker 2: same way about about this. And by the way, Oppenheimer
Speaker 2: and The Odyssey are like are it's it's it's like
Speaker 2: a it's a hell of a double feature because because
Speaker 2: they're both telling kind of the same story.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, remarkable, Like what a weird sentence
Speaker 2: to say, but it's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, a man's tortured soul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of reckoning with the aftermath of what he instigated,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Which I like because, again not being super familiar with
Speaker 3: this story, when the Trojan horse is dragged in, you know,
Speaker 3: through the walls, it's funny because that was amazing too.
Speaker 3: I mean, the very similitude and whatever you want, realism,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to say about Nolan just making it
Speaker 3: look like, yeah, you need like a hundred hundreds of
Speaker 3: dudes and rope.
Speaker 2: And before you proceed, I just want to say one thing.
Speaker 2: Watching the movie, you see the half buried horse and
Speaker 2: just instinctually, I know, you know, where this is headed.
Speaker 2: I'm like, huh, looks like Planet of the Apes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just just a fleeting thought. And then you send me
Speaker 2: a clip from an interview. I did not convey that
Speaker 2: thought that you send me a clip from interview. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was thinking a kind of like Planet of the Apes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, son of a bitch, you did it, crazy,
Speaker 2: so bit you did it? Sorry, go on.
Speaker 3: Oh the second I saw it, I was like, zechy,
Speaker 3: just send it to you. And that was an idea
Speaker 3: he had since the early two thousands. Yeah, when he
Speaker 3: was helping Troy, which is kind of cool. It makes sense.
Speaker 3: He was like, wow, that's something and it just never
Speaker 3: left his mind. But yeah, I love seeing you know,
Speaker 3: you watch movies and you can imagine. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we get thirty guys and they push the horse through
Speaker 3: the walls and it's like, no, that would be really hard.
Speaker 3: There's like a lot of human beings inside that thing,
Speaker 3: Like this thing is going to be heavy. And I
Speaker 3: thought they conveyed really well, just no, this is like
Speaker 3: a real task getting this thing inside. But as I
Speaker 3: was watching it, that sequence and the men leaving the
Speaker 3: horse and sneaking through Troy as it sleeps. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: this is brilliant, wow clever, Like I was sort of
Speaker 3: taken with it, like wow, what a great idea. But
Speaker 3: I like then you see them sack Troy and it's horrifying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's awful, like assaulting women and just pillaging and murdering
Speaker 3: and whatever. And so I was a little surprised, like, oh,
Speaker 3: this reminds me of Troy. It's not shown as this
Speaker 3: like accomplishment. And then that winds up being what the
Speaker 3: movie is about. That is Odysseus when he's reckoning with
Speaker 3: things at the end, why he resisted going home for
Speaker 3: so long? It's like, am I the man who left
Speaker 3: this place? Like who am I?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 3: I even like who I am? Anymore? Should I come home?
Speaker 3: Like I just found that so rich and understandable relatable
Speaker 3: in this fantastic tale, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for Odysseus having come up with the idea of
Speaker 2: the horses the equivalent of Oppenheimer, yes, detonating the bomb,
Speaker 2: you know, like perfect. And that's the way the movies
Speaker 2: frame it, like this is like history. There is before
Speaker 2: and there is after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's about the spiritual toll that he's carrying.
Speaker 2: That's right. You know, it is interesting. You know, the
Speaker 2: the Cyclops is first of all, freaking freaking scary looking amazing, right,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's like you go into the movie
Speaker 2: you kind of have a sense of what a cyclops
Speaker 2: is going to look like, yes, and they're like, no,
Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna give you some nightmares, you know what.
Speaker 3: I liked too having the eye sideways yep. I was like, huh,
Speaker 3: that's interesting. But then you notice that the nose is
Speaker 3: a little off. It's like, no, yeah, this guy's face
Speaker 3: is just kind of messed up, and that explains why
Speaker 3: he has one eye, you know, like there he had
Speaker 3: to think through, like well, why why is this way?
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 3: And it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and that's again, you know, in in the
Speaker 2: original story, that's very much you know, the the Cyclops
Speaker 2: is under the protection of Poseidon, and so Odysseus is
Speaker 2: and his men offend Poseidon and that's what causes this,
Speaker 2: and they they do certainly leave that in, but again
Speaker 2: it's like, well, is this just their beliefs and they're
Speaker 2: reading into it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: By the way, as horrifying as that monster was, I
Speaker 3: felt really bad for it. Oh yeah, Like when he
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, because he eats a couple soldiers
Speaker 3: sort of like the Rand Corps and Gmorian Guard or whatever.
Speaker 3: We get that moment. But yeah, when they poke it
Speaker 3: in the eye and he's he's yelping, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this poor guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's and I'm sure that's by design. That
Speaker 2: was Bill Irwin, by the way, as the Cyclops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that later.
Speaker 2: Right, he's tars I think, right, and an interstellar.
Speaker 3: But the blend, sorry, just before we move on from that,
Speaker 3: the blend of having a real cuman so I don't
Speaker 3: know what it is. Usually in the past it'd be
Speaker 3: rear projection or something. But the way that they blended
Speaker 3: the soldiers looking a size we understand, and then having
Speaker 3: a real human being playing the Cyclops and having them
Speaker 3: meld together, it looked believable.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well the same with the giants that they encounter
Speaker 2: on the other island. Yeah, I mean you're sort of
Speaker 2: you're looking for the seams a little bit, you know.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: So I had my friend Sawud who listens to the show,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to shout out. He was like, you know,
Speaker 2: is it gonna be scary for kids? And I said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the Cyclops might be borderline, but I feel
Speaker 2: like Circe, the whole Surce scene, that's gonna be like
Speaker 2: generational trauma for a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you think of a movie like The
Speaker 3: Witches or something that was like PG in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: or whatever like it. To me, it feels like that
Speaker 3: level of scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's I'm as a grown up. I
Speaker 2: was like, eh, right, but I'm like, if you're a
Speaker 2: little kid, oh yeah, as you're watching Samantha Morton just
Speaker 2: like do like silly putty to people and turning him
Speaker 2: into pigs and suff.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't mean to undermine it. I mean,
Speaker 3: I just I just it reminds me of some of
Speaker 3: the horrifying things that people thought were okay to show it.
Speaker 2: If you see it at the right slash wrong age,
Speaker 2: depending how you look at it, Yes, that's gonna stay
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: And you're right, there will be memes in twenty years
Speaker 3: talking about this. Was the like when we talk about
Speaker 3: the horse dying and never ending story and you know,
Speaker 3: those sorts of things for our generation. You're right, I
Speaker 3: think another generation this will be their trauma.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's incredible, by the way, Samantha Morton was great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so like something's wrong with her, you know, and then
Speaker 3: it's just slowly reveals herself. And but she never turns
Speaker 3: into a cackling witch or anything. You know. She she
Speaker 3: feels like very specific.
Speaker 2: Well, I I think that's what makes it work, right,
Speaker 2: like like her whole you know, where she's like, you know,
Speaker 2: a bunch of armed people show up and how am
Speaker 2: I supposed to react? And you hear say that, You're
Speaker 2: like that's fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they are the I don't remember what the
Speaker 3: wording is, but they are the bad people on the
Speaker 3: sea people, the sea people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one thing I will say so, So I
Speaker 2: liked him Esh Patel as as Odysseus's you know, executive
Speaker 2: officer totally, I thought, I thought. But I think the
Speaker 2: problem is that other than him, the rest of the
Speaker 2: crew was kind of just a big mob.
Speaker 3: That's a good point because I was thinking that he
Speaker 3: as the right hand man, sort of feels like us
Speaker 3: sometimes like what are you doing? You'll stop? So I
Speaker 3: really related to him. But that's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the others just feel sort of like a crowd.
Speaker 2: I think if there is a critique and it's a
Speaker 2: minor one, I would have liked a little bit more
Speaker 2: of a sense of who these people are, so that
Speaker 2: as their numbers start to dwindle, we feel that a
Speaker 2: little bit more like we feel it in the sense
Speaker 2: of like, well, I would not want to have my
Speaker 2: head bitten off by a cyclops. Therefore, I know, but
Speaker 2: we don't. I mean, they all kind of look the
Speaker 2: same too when they're were in the armor and stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, right right. I wonder if there was a
Speaker 2: way to lick that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe give one or two or three more people
Speaker 3: distinct personalities, or cast them with recognizable faces. Yeah, different
Speaker 3: voices of reason. You know, this guy's the hot head,
Speaker 3: this guy is the nervous one, this is yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh. I also wanted to mention I loved how they
Speaker 2: executed the sirens sequence. Yeah, oh, he's same, brilliant where
Speaker 2: you know this is like, you know, put put wax
Speaker 2: in the cruise ears so that they don't hear it,
Speaker 2: and then you know when jimeshputelity puts he puts the
Speaker 2: wax in his ears, we shift to his point of view. Yes, brilliant,
Speaker 2: So we never hear the Sirens song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because what could you possibly pit?
Speaker 2: Exactly so, and we just see Odysseus just going out
Speaker 2: of his mind. Brilliant.
Speaker 3: But I also loved my theater laughed a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think with the movie where he's like, time me up,
Speaker 3: I want to hear it. Yeah, like bro, he's like
Speaker 3: kind of giddy about it. But then I did love
Speaker 3: that we couldn't hear it, but we're watching the reaction
Speaker 3: on his face, like this is the worst possible thing
Speaker 3: you could hear, Like you think, these beautiful women singing
Speaker 3: this song, it may be difficult to resist, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to I want to hear it too. I'm
Speaker 3: kind of what could that possibly be? But seeing that
Speaker 3: it ends up being sort of a nightmare for him
Speaker 3: to hear, yeah, is really cool to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh uh, we have. We talked right past Tom
Speaker 2: Holland and and all the all the ethic stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about more about the final sequence. But I
Speaker 2: wanted to mention John Legzamo is awesome in this so good,
Speaker 2: like just just essential, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like immediately has this persona or something where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm with this guy.
Speaker 2: M H yeah, yes, right, and they do the thing
Speaker 2: where the faithful dog is waiting for his master to
Speaker 2: come home.
Speaker 3: Which I knew because of you, because of the Troy commentary. Yes, which, dude,
Speaker 3: if you could have heard my theater just when the
Speaker 3: tail wagged, actually we can, I ask real quickly, because
Speaker 3: you were in a theater full of critics. I mean,
Speaker 3: what was the energy like in the room.
Speaker 2: You know, the crowd was island throughout the movie, and
Speaker 2: then the credits come up and it was just the
Speaker 2: whole room you know, went into applause. It was a
Speaker 2: great experience. I mean they were enraptured, you know that.
Speaker 2: It was very It was funny because it was very
Speaker 2: similar to when I watched Interstellar recently, you know, about
Speaker 2: a year or so ago, where nobody wanted to get
Speaker 2: up to go to the bathroom. You know, with Interstellar,
Speaker 2: I SAIDs before where I remember after the water planet
Speaker 2: and McConaughey watches the video from his kids and he's crying.
Speaker 2: You know, after that scene, people started getting up to
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom. It was like, it's understanding, like,
Speaker 2: you know, we need to see that scene. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know this one. It was I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: long movie. So I I admired the the you know,
Speaker 2: the the the fortitude of people's bowels outed yours.
Speaker 3: I prepared my body, I have to say.
Speaker 2: I so I'm I I got a slurpee, which in
Speaker 2: hindsight was a miscalculation because because but by the time
Speaker 2: they were going down the whirlpool, I was I was nearing.
Speaker 3: Myself as concerned.
Speaker 2: No, but but the crowd was totally that was totally
Speaker 2: into it. And that's I mean really like, I think
Speaker 2: the movie does the work of establishing the various stakes
Speaker 2: right smartly, cutting back and forth between Ithaca and Odysseus,
Speaker 2: so that by the time Odysseus returns, we're fully invested
Speaker 2: in what's going to happen and we don't know what's
Speaker 2: going to happen. I think that's also helpful. You know,
Speaker 2: I thought Tom Holland was was you know, did the
Speaker 2: work he you know, I think we feel we feel
Speaker 2: invested in him.
Speaker 3: I agree. I mean he's I know, he's getting older,
Speaker 3: but like he still does have a boyish quality to him.
Speaker 2: He's got a couple of years he left of boyishness before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which works perfectly. You know, Like I him as
Speaker 3: someone you know who's misses his dad or we can't
Speaker 3: even miss him. He's never met him, but like he
Speaker 3: yearns for his dad, he wants to come into his
Speaker 3: own but he also feels like he could be bullied
Speaker 3: slightly by certain people. And I love that sequence when
Speaker 3: that guy when everything's going down at the end and
Speaker 3: the guy is up in the upper room dropping the weapons,
Speaker 3: and Tom Holland is the perfect person to feel like,
Speaker 3: I want him to take this guy on. I hope
Speaker 3: he can do it. And you know what I'm saying
Speaker 3: as opposed to someone who's going up there and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: he'll do it, you know. And I don't mean that
Speaker 3: in a negative way, Like I just think that's a
Speaker 3: great characterization, Like let's watch him prove that he can
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is is just the night before
Speaker 2: I watched The Odyssey, I was watching a Spider Man
Speaker 2: Homecoming and you know, Logan Marshall Green is in that
Speaker 2: Logan Marshall Green, who is he? Like the actor in general?
Speaker 2: Yeahert so he he's well in the Odyssey. He's the
Speaker 2: guy that that that Tom Holland fights.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm looking him up now.
Speaker 2: But he's in Marshall's. You know, he's the guy, he's
Speaker 2: Casey's like friend and boss.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you know what I'm talking about it Yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm looking him up now and I see him.
Speaker 2: So he he he has like a small role in
Speaker 2: Spider Man home Coming, and I'm like, you know, this
Speaker 2: guy he gives off like uh he you know, like
Speaker 2: stand in John Burnenthal energy. Yeah, totally, especially in Marshall's
Speaker 2: very much. So yeah, so it was funny seeing him
Speaker 2: in this. I was like, hey, it's standing John Berthall
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna see actual John Burthall in a
Speaker 2: little bit. Anyway. That's just a random thought. But speaking
Speaker 2: of John berenthal So, so he plays Menilaus a very
Speaker 2: different Menilais than Brendan Gleeson in tro Yes. Yes, And
Speaker 2: and this gets to what I said during in our
Speaker 2: Troy commentary. I was like, the in the story Menilais
Speaker 2: is a little more sympathetic, a little more complicated, And
Speaker 2: I think this movie handles that pretty well. Like I
Speaker 2: don't think you come off being like, oh, he's a
Speaker 2: good guy, but you are like, well, I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's a bad guy necessarily either you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think burnhal conveys that. I thought the way
Speaker 2: they depict everything that happened to Agamemnon, I thought that
Speaker 2: was great, Yes, right, because I think I did talk
Speaker 2: about that in our commentary. And then of course Helen
Speaker 2: Helen of Troy, Well, what kind of woke nonsense is this? Jeez,
Speaker 2: here's what I love. Here's what I love. For the
Speaker 2: last six months or whatever it's been, you've got these
Speaker 2: these just I'm gonna say, rage grifters.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a that's a good term.
Speaker 2: Who've been monetizing? Uh, just just hate you know, yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh no, Helen of Troy is black. Oh no, there's
Speaker 2: you know, Elliott Page's in this So what are they
Speaker 2: doing in here? You know?
Speaker 3: And then and right down to even just like the
Speaker 3: armor doesn't look good? Yeah, like just what are you
Speaker 3: just knives out for this thing? For unknown reasons? Monetization?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, that's that's exactly what it is, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, when it comes to Elliott Page, like, oh,
Speaker 2: Elliot Page is playing Achilles. Page is not playing Achilles, right,
Speaker 2: And and once that became very clear, that talking point
Speaker 2: shifted to, well, you know, in the story. When Odysseus
Speaker 2: you know, descends to Hades, he encounters the shade of Achilles,
Speaker 2: who tells him, you know, I was fighting for glory
Speaker 2: and there's no glory. There was no point to any
Speaker 2: of it. And so in this they have syn on
Speaker 2: the Ellip Page character. This is this is Hollywood. This
Speaker 2: is their their woke agenda. See they're they're swapping in
Speaker 2: Elliott Page for Achilles, right right. And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: I just want you people, you fing losers, to die angry,
Speaker 2: just just here streaming down your face, angry dying.
Speaker 3: That's it's so funny because I was feeling like, let
Speaker 3: it go, not me, open your heart, like your world
Speaker 3: for some reason is this like grim black and white,
Speaker 3: like let the color in now.
Speaker 2: But see, this is this is what their algorithms. This
Speaker 2: is how their algorithms have microwaved their brains.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what, there's no fixing that, you know
Speaker 3: something for some maybe, But I really would like to
Speaker 3: believe that some people can have their hearts opened. I do.
Speaker 2: I respect that, Brian.
Speaker 3: I hope that's my hope. That's my hope.
Speaker 2: But all of that is to say I wanted to
Speaker 2: mention this sin On in the in the underworld scene,
Speaker 2: and and why that matters, Why it matters that it
Speaker 2: is that character and not Achilles, who has no bearing
Speaker 2: on any of the story. It wouldn't it wouldn't mean
Speaker 2: anything if Odysseus meets Achilles, who cares, right, right? We
Speaker 2: need this character because we see the backstory when you know,
Speaker 2: twenty years ago when Odysseus went for war, I mean
Speaker 2: all of it. It matters. It's meaningful and what that
Speaker 2: character represents for Odysseus. This character died because of his lie.
Speaker 2: That matters. That matters in this story that we're watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I love that whole sequence. And then
Speaker 3: seeing all the soldiers, Oh my gosh, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I love me a good ghost army. I've talked about this,
Speaker 3: you know, bed knobs and broomsticks. I've always been fascinated
Speaker 3: by the ghost army and the return of the King. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just something cool and scary and intriguing and delicious
Speaker 3: about a ghost army. And so then when yeah, he
Speaker 3: has to literally see the shades of all his fallen men,
Speaker 3: and then they chase him and he's like back.
Speaker 2: To the boat. Now here's a question Yeah, Benny Safty
Speaker 2: Blaze an Agamemnon. Why don't they show his face?
Speaker 3: I yeah, I didn't even know that by the way
Speaker 3: that he was playing him, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was like trying to place the voice. And then
Speaker 2: we see from the back when they take the helmet
Speaker 2: off and he sees curly hair. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's Benny's safety.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, but I was wondering about that, you know,
Speaker 2: I and I'm sure there is an artistic reason, but
Speaker 2: I was just wondering about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 3: a decision and he wants us to feel a certain way,
Speaker 3: but I'm not. I mean maybe because he takes his
Speaker 3: orders from him.
Speaker 2: Right, So so I you know, possibly by by making
Speaker 2: Agamemnon like a faceless presence, it puts the onus more
Speaker 2: on Odysseus. Yeah right, you know that this is a
Speaker 2: thing he did. You can't pawn it off on Well.
Speaker 2: I did it because that guy, you know, the king,
Speaker 2: ordered me to that type of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, you know, you know, real
Speaker 3: quick before we get to the ending. Yeah, and the suitors,
Speaker 3: I know you want to talk about that. I do
Speaker 3: want to say, uh, before I forget going back to
Speaker 3: Zendia and the Athena thing and it possibly it could
Speaker 3: be in his head or whatever. I was so struck
Speaker 3: by that moment during the sacking of Troy where she's
Speaker 3: in those soldiers' arms and they're gonna put the sword,
Speaker 3: you like, cut her head off, right, And I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: what I don't understand. And then when you see her
Speaker 3: statue get beheaded, I was like, brilliant, Yeah, brilliant and
Speaker 3: just whatever she is, whatever she means to Odysseus, right,
Speaker 3: that's what that is?
Speaker 2: That right exactly, because because that when we see her
Speaker 2: for real in Troy, what is that a real person
Speaker 2: who Odysseus witnessed being killed?
Speaker 3: H Well, and because they say you don't know when
Speaker 3: you entertained strangers who could be a god and who isn't? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think all that worked. Actually, And
Speaker 2: while we're talking about the gods, I wanted to mention
Speaker 2: Calypso because we haven't really talked to about Charlie's Thearren.
Speaker 2: I think my only complaint is I would have liked
Speaker 2: more of her and just have a greater sense of
Speaker 2: her connection to Odysseus and and why she has kept
Speaker 2: him there you know she, I mean we mentioned that
Speaker 2: she fell in love with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to know how I can sign
Speaker 3: up for a situation like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven years on an island with Charlie's theren. Don't
Speaker 2: threaten me with a good time, right.
Speaker 3: No, I'm with you. I'm with you. It's you sort
Speaker 3: of have to process it yourself a little bit. The
Speaker 3: movie doesn't sort of you know, it's just very matter
Speaker 3: of fact, and we're already caught up in what's happened,
Speaker 3: like it's just being told to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, basically, if you of construct the timeline,
Speaker 2: we have the we have the sacking of Troy Odysseus leaves,
Speaker 2: he has one shitty year, it's just the worst year
Speaker 2: any person can have, and then he has seven years
Speaker 2: on an island of Charlie's there, right, which he viewed
Speaker 2: as as torture. Okay, let's talk about the ending.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, yes, even her like she she's a
Speaker 3: very matter of fact in the way that she presents everything,
Speaker 3: and it would be interesting to see even her a
Speaker 3: little more I don't know, attracted to him or like
Speaker 3: in love with him. She says she's in love with him,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't I wasn't feeling that. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: so I understand what you're saying anyway, Yes, the ending, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we get well, we get to it's it's a it's
Speaker 3: Spider Man versus Batman. Yeah, that's right, with Jason Bourne
Speaker 3: looking on, Yeah. Yeah, and Catwoman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all fighting for the for the attention of Catwoman.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I said in our Dark Knight Rises commentary track, we
Speaker 2: were this is four years ago and we were talking
Speaker 2: about Anne Hathaway in the film, and you know, we
Speaker 2: were complimenting her performance, and I was I was making
Speaker 2: a joke. I was like, oh, well, Anne Hathaway, she's
Speaker 2: like forty now, so there's no roles left for her
Speaker 2: in Hollywood except to play Tom Holland's mom in Something Right.
Speaker 2: And I was joking because I was commenting on how
Speaker 2: Hollywood treats women over.
Speaker 3: A certain age.
Speaker 2: I did not think Christopher Nolan would listen to our
Speaker 2: commentary track and be like, say, that's a good idea,
Speaker 2: but I buy both. I thought they were It's actually
Speaker 2: I think this is a fantastic performance by Aneathaway. She's
Speaker 2: really good in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the emotions just feel so guttural and real and
Speaker 3: just what, you know, trying to keep herself composed by
Speaker 3: you know, anguishing her her missing husband and angry. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like all of it. She's she's sad, she's angry,
Speaker 3: she's desperate. Uh it's yeah. I was like, oh, she's
Speaker 3: gonna get nominated.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh no, that's a coming. Yeah. Didn't you
Speaker 2: just want to see her smack around me a goth? Yes?
Speaker 3: Well I did love her moment where she's like you
Speaker 3: this pearl? Yeah right right if I did, Like, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: your place is down there and she shuts the little
Speaker 3: you do it. Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 2: Pattinson is a lot of fun to watch in this,
Speaker 2: and it was funny. I was I was feeling like
Speaker 2: bipolar because I just last week watched The Batman. Oh
Speaker 2: okay parts of The Batman, and I'm like, man, he's
Speaker 2: such a good Batman, And I'm like, man, he's able
Speaker 2: to bounce effortlessly between wildly different characters, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah him, And I was happy to see Corey Hawkins.
Speaker 2: Corey Hawkins also liked him. Yeah.
Speaker 3: For me, the first time I saw him was when
Speaker 3: he played doctor dre and straight out of Compton, and
Speaker 3: I just thought he made such an impression and I
Speaker 3: haven't seen him a lot, and I liked the two
Speaker 3: of them just being these uchebags, you know, like he
Speaker 3: just so badly want to see them get their come.
Speaker 2: Up and you want their upons to happen. So yeah, well, I,
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, there's nothing like the sound of
Speaker 2: Odysseus just letting arrows fly. Yes, what was so the whole?
Speaker 2: The whole, I mean, this is the thing right where.
Speaker 2: I mean I know the story right broadly, so I
Speaker 2: know where it called many is, but I like how
Speaker 2: even still, I was like, what's going to happen? Right?
Speaker 2: And I think that's the real trick.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, right, And that's what I was
Speaker 3: alluding to earlier, was when he Odysseus is dressed up
Speaker 3: like the beggar and he goes into the place and
Speaker 3: then you know the I think it was Pattinson like
Speaker 3: spits or maybe it was uh Korrey Hawkins spits into
Speaker 3: the bowl at krey Hocken, And so I was like
Speaker 3: ready for him to go all Schwartzenegger and like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and then like take the robe off and then just
Speaker 3: like pul out his lightsaber and just hack everybody down.
Speaker 3: You're like, that's what I was expecting and I wanted that,
Speaker 3: but right, and but then it just keeps going and going.
Speaker 3: I'm like, where are we going this? I know it's
Speaker 3: going somewhere and this is what the story is, but.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is a total righteous vengeance situation.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh totally. But like I thought you could have
Speaker 3: had that big moment there, and maybe a modern story
Speaker 3: would have, but it is so much more satisfying where it.
Speaker 3: I mean, because it's not even just like then he
Speaker 3: gets this nice reunion with Penelope. It's like he gets
Speaker 3: to really spill his soul in a unique way to
Speaker 3: her before it's revealed, and her just finally just giving up,
Speaker 3: but setting up that unique, you know, challenge for the
Speaker 3: suitors to have to complete, and it's just so satisfying.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, well, I think one of the great
Speaker 2: applause moments if I had been with a more applaud
Speaker 2: centric crowd, is when Corey Hawkin goes, you're Odysseus arrow.
Speaker 3: In the throat, dude, my theater erupted, erupted. Well, and
Speaker 3: then that moment too, where it's in the trailer and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, that's a good moment where
Speaker 3: Odysseus is like, you know, I'm taking I'm coming back
Speaker 3: for all of it, or whatever he says. But in
Speaker 3: this screening, with all of the context and he's like
Speaker 3: I'm here for all of it, my theater just went
Speaker 3: yes because we knew something amazing was about to happen.
Speaker 2: He is just launching arrows left, right and center. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: very It was very cathartic, and you know.
Speaker 3: He's obviously showing great skill, but it wasn't like you know,
Speaker 3: the Rock where he's just hits, he doesn't get scathed,
Speaker 3: and he is hitting everybody. There's challenge and he gets pummeled.
Speaker 3: And then I loved it was so satisfying when Tom
Speaker 3: Holland is up there and he takes that guy out
Speaker 3: and he drops the sword down through the hole, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's got arrows sticking out of his back and
Speaker 3: he's fighting everybody off. Oh amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he looked like a pincushion at the
Speaker 2: end of it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was also you know, at the climax with Pattinson,
Speaker 2: I was waiting for the usual thing where he's got
Speaker 2: his enemy dead to rights and he's like you're not
Speaker 2: worth it, you know, Oh yeah sure, And I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 2: this guy got to die.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that was pretty sad.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I love too the but it wasn't just like some
Speaker 3: pithy line than a sword through the chest or something.
Speaker 3: He like actually gave a message when you go to hell, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah, tell my men, Yeah, then I
Speaker 3: will go into exile to honor them. Thank you soon,
Speaker 3: which is kind of colder and cooler in a way,
Speaker 3: like I'm going to dispatch you in a second, but
Speaker 3: you're going to do something for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so speaking of of Odysseus going to exile, that's
Speaker 2: a change from the story, Oh tell me, because in
Speaker 2: the story he returns to Ithaca, he defeats the suitors,
Speaker 2: he claims his thrown the end, and I think Nolan
Speaker 2: found a more elegant way to end the story. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was like, because it for a second there it
Speaker 2: seems like he's going to die, right, And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, and and I was like I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how I feel about that. And then you know, that
Speaker 2: that itself was a mistrect And then I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: to quote Brian Chef's kiss, Yeah, it feels tonally and
Speaker 2: spiritually right to me. Yeah. Well, especially because by virtue
Speaker 2: of how how he chooses to wrap it up, we
Speaker 2: we end on Odysseus uh after uh Troy or in
Speaker 2: Troy to help us understand why he makes the decision
Speaker 2: he made right, He's not he has to pay a
Speaker 2: cost for what he did.
Speaker 3: Right. He wouldn't feel right just sitting back on a
Speaker 3: throne as king, right exactly. He's got to uh, you know,
Speaker 3: a tone a little bit.
Speaker 2: And and we've been on enough of a journey with
Speaker 2: Telemachus where we know this kid has earned it as well.
Speaker 2: He's earned the throne right, you know. And that's that's tricky,
Speaker 2: you know, because because I think the danger is like
Speaker 2: you don't spend enough time on on Telemachus or with
Speaker 2: Telemachus to to see that he himself is is just
Speaker 2: as worthy of admiration or following, you know, but they
Speaker 2: manage both. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it'd be a circumstance like with Stephen
Speaker 3: King in the Mist where he saw the film ending
Speaker 3: was like, oh that was a good idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: actually liked that better. If Homer could see this and go, oh,
Speaker 3: very good, I see what you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it works, and I think,
Speaker 2: I mean it stays true to the broad strokes of
Speaker 2: what Homer did, you know, but it also a just
Speaker 2: based on the specific story that Nolan is telling, right,
Speaker 2: and much more about the lasting impact of trauma. It
Speaker 2: all worked for me, man, I'm and it. Honestly, it
Speaker 2: makes me really happy that there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 2: of people watching this movie because because I think it's
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes faith has to be rewarded.
Speaker 3: C.
Speaker 2: Montage from the end of Dark Knight, Right's right. You know,
Speaker 2: people people have been waiting for this and they're going
Speaker 2: to walk out satisfied. That makes me really happy.
Speaker 3: I think so too. I think I saw a short
Speaker 3: sort of summery you put on social media where you
Speaker 3: said this is going to be like Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3: People are going to keep coming back to this, you
Speaker 3: know this, that's how this movie is going to live on,
Speaker 3: And I agree, I think so too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's one thing that it's good, but it's
Speaker 3: also a great theatrical experience and if you have the ability,
Speaker 3: you know, the time and the everything. I highly recommend
Speaker 3: going out and seeing this because this was the first
Speaker 3: movie shot every frame was shot with an Imax camera,
Speaker 3: and I know not everyone can get to Imax screens.
Speaker 3: There's actually a limited amount in the world. But everything
Speaker 3: that is in the frame, you know, just the effort
Speaker 3: and the colossal just scope of this film is just
Speaker 3: something worth seeing as big and as loud as possible. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So that's just it. It's like a bonus to just
Speaker 3: being a good.
Speaker 2: Movie to totally agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice. Well, two big thumbs up for the Odyssey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very nice.
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Speaker 2: us out. Here is a clip from a couple of
Speaker 2: years back of Sam Neil, the late Great Sam Neil,
Speaker 2: telling us about what he dreams of, and I think
Speaker 2: it's something we can all dream of. Rest in peace,
Speaker 2: mister Neil. We will miss you very very much.
Speaker 5: Do I have a dream? I think I'd like a
Speaker 5: night where there's no dreams. I'd like a morning when
Speaker 5: I wake up and there's really nothing on the news,
Speaker 5: when everything just returns to dull.
Speaker 7: And there's nothing to report, and there's no pestilence and
Speaker 7: there's no war and there's no aggression, and people that just.
Speaker 5: Just leaving it alone and getting on with each other.
Speaker 7: Will might be nice the surface three foot high.
Speaker 5: Today, chickens are laying in central Ittago in New Zealand.
Speaker 5: The football will be played as usual on Saturday. Someone
Speaker 5: might win, but probably everyone will just have a draw.
Speaker 5: There's nothing happening. That's my dream.
Speaker 2: It's just
Speaker 5: Been nice.