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<v Speaker 1>The prime Minister in waiting turned up at Magic. Will

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<v Speaker 1>his reign be a success or will it be tragic?

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<v Speaker 1>Tragic is a term that Giants could use as York

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<v Speaker 1>destined them to once again lose. Leeds and Lee clocked

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<v Speaker 1>up a big score, Wigan and Saints had a close

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<v Speaker 1>one once more. Welcome to the twenty seventh episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Super League three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top

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<v Speaker 1>tier of British rugby league. My name is Lee Addison

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<v Speaker 1>and my good friend is John Davidson. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to know who we are, reader description or something. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Rugby League dot Com for carrying this weekly and

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<v Speaker 1>you can also watch it on the Rugby League Coach

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel eventually. And we're still on the Ashes Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League podcast platform. We've kept that going, Johnny. We did

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<v Speaker 1>it for the Ashes. I don't know whether there'll be

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<v Speaker 1>in other Ashes after what happened last year. I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we'll do something for the World Cup. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get straight into the game from last round. John York

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<v Speaker 1>versus Huddersfield kicked things off. We'll talk about the whole

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<v Speaker 1>fact it's magic and what not in a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>but Huddersfield thirty four York sorry twenty four York thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six tries for Hudersfield, Patol Old, Dunford, Russell, Flanagan and

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<v Speaker 1>Flanagan kicked four goals. York thirty six came two from Benison,

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<v Speaker 1>two from Hunter and not for a Luma got one,

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<v Speaker 1>so did Williams and Bamford bam fourth and Hunter kicked

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<v Speaker 1>a goal and Benison kicked three. I think the news

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<v Speaker 1>here is how Huddersfield have lost to another side that

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<v Speaker 1>they would have fanted a chance, the chances are winning

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<v Speaker 1>it against I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was an interesting game that York

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<v Speaker 2>started really well. I thought they were quite dominant, created

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, but then you know, Huddersfield sort of came

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<v Speaker 2>back into it. It was quite close and then sort

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<v Speaker 2>of second half New York just blew Huddersfield off the

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<v Speaker 2>park and then you Huddersfield scored. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>two very late tries to kind of make the score

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<v Speaker 2>line a bit more respectable. But yeah, Huddersfield were over

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<v Speaker 2>the eighty minutes very poor. I mean, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>was a wooden spoon clash. The wins put York six

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<v Speaker 2>points now above Huddersfield. Huddersfield have won two games all season,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did have to laugh. So obviously you're in

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<v Speaker 2>We're at Magic Weekend, We're at the Hill Dickinson Stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>and you get those stadium announcers and people and the

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<v Speaker 2>interview fans and all this before the first game and

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<v Speaker 2>the announcer gets this Huddersfield fan and he says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think this? You know, the performance today could

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<v Speaker 2>kickstart your season? And I'm thinking it's July, the season February,

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<v Speaker 2>like the season's long gone. But the the thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>this is how Haddersfield's tenth loss in a row, and

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<v Speaker 2>after last week where they were very unlucky to lose

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<v Speaker 2>Wakefield and they showed a lot, they've definitely regressed this

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<v Speaker 2>week and it is it's pretty worrying for hardest. I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't just don't see where they go from here.

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<v Speaker 1>What does this mean showed Huddersfield finished rock bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the ladder. What does it mean for their future?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's a very difficult question to answer because there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot of conjection. From what we understand. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there will be fifteen teams in Super League.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there'll be fourteen and it will be iron

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<v Speaker 2>g criteria that determines if anyone goes up or down.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I don't know exactly how they're going to fare,

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<v Speaker 2>but by finishing bottom at Super League and by not

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<v Speaker 2>winning any more games, and also with their crowds getting

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<v Speaker 2>even worse, you would think that's going to harm them.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing for me is that Huddesfield have been in

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<v Speaker 2>Super League for what about thirty years? Maybe long?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, super League has all been going for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, okay, so they've been in the top. Fight

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<v Speaker 2>for it is they had that period a long, long

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<v Speaker 2>time ago relegation when Tony Smith was there. He got

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<v Speaker 2>them back in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be tempted to say about twenty five years. Yes, yes, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>my brain is a bit frazzled from the weekend. But

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<v Speaker 1>and in that period they had a good period in

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a good period of Nathan Brown for a

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<v Speaker 2>few years. I think they made two Challenge Cup finals.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a great period under Paul Anderson twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>finished top in the league and they were the top

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<v Speaker 2>four team for several years, and then they had one

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<v Speaker 2>season where they made a Challenge Cup Final. More recently

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<v Speaker 2>under Watson finished third. But for the last decade, apart

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<v Speaker 2>from that very brief period in Watson, they've been very,

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<v Speaker 2>very average, been terrible, and no team can win every week.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that, like results are, it's a result business.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing about.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladasfield is the fans that are going nowhere. The club

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<v Speaker 2>really has no profile. This dadium issue isn't being sorted

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<v Speaker 2>so in basically every pretty much area, the club's just

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<v Speaker 2>in decline. So I think it is time to unleash

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<v Speaker 2>them on the Championship.

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<v Speaker 1>We do seem to talk about them every week, don't we,

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a reason for that. It's because they so

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<v Speaker 1>poor and so many of their metrics are so poor too.

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<v Speaker 1>Are just for the life of me, John, and they

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<v Speaker 1>should have learned it. Last year. They put all that

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<v Speaker 1>money into IMG, they put all that money into the

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<v Speaker 1>little committee that they had to decide who the other

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<v Speaker 1>super League entrant would be, and the three teams that

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<v Speaker 1>got up were the three that finished one, two and

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<v Speaker 1>three in the lower tier competition. Now, I'm pretty convinced

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<v Speaker 1>in a sporting contest, in a sporting realm, we should

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<v Speaker 1>leave it to the sports people to sort out who

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<v Speaker 1>goes up and who goes down.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's strong there's strong speculation that harder Field are

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<v Speaker 2>going to buy a Dewsbury Rams, not only play their

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<v Speaker 2>games at Dewsbury, but maybe even buy the Rams as

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of a feeder club, much like York and Newcastle.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see how harders Field playing the games at

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<v Speaker 2>Dewsbury is a long term solution and how that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to help them.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of state is Crown Flat in these days?

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<v Speaker 1>The flair stadium I have is it full of flair?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it full of flair?

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't a flair or actual fans that when they

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<v Speaker 2>played to loose there a couple of weeks ago. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't see how that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the solution that you helped them. I just, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's time to bring in London and drop Paddersfield down.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe, you know, I think there's there's a

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<v Speaker 2>big problems the leadership of that club yet and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to look at the recruitment, you know, signing Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Burgess on big money. I mean no offense to Tom Burgess.

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<v Speaker 2>He's had a fantastic career, but what's he produced in

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<v Speaker 2>the two years whatever he's been there. They get their

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<v Speaker 2>recruitment wrong so many so often, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>leadership of the club is really needs to change that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the people in charge, they have been doing

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<v Speaker 2>it for decades and it's clearly not working.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, we didn't use the word unleashed today KR twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six Hale f C twelve in the Yorkshire RB Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin and Whitbread scored the meat pies for whole KR.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin kicked five goals, so good day for him. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole FC Arthur and Briscoe scored the tries they could

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<v Speaker 1>kick two goals. Apparently the Gi Whitbread try was quite

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<v Speaker 1>controversial for the defending champions. Why was it controversially, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I didn't watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think maybe the referring to the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of contact with Martin lost the ball. But this wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a brilliant game, but it was. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>quite tight. It was closely fought. That that that bit

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<v Speaker 2>of play there where Martin dropped the ball on his

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<v Speaker 2>own line and where Brad squad was kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>turning point really. But I would refer to any last

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<v Speaker 2>comments after the game, he came into the presser and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of immediately was was having a go with the referees.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. A week after he did similar after the

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<v Speaker 2>Wigan game. And I think you know LFC or also

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<v Speaker 2>another club for far too long. They had a decencieson

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<v Speaker 2>last year, but for had too long in recent memory

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<v Speaker 2>they've been poor, and they've been poor this year. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've shared a bit more character in the last few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>but just clearly not good enough week to week. And okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I weren't at their best, but they're a much better

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<v Speaker 2>side than all I've saying I've been for for at

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<v Speaker 2>least three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you want to know why I didn't watch

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<v Speaker 1>the whole derby, because obviously I was rushing home to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it from my commitments in the rugby league.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say it was probably about midnight

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<v Speaker 2>or one I am your time, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It was midnight and that and that normally isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>bad time for me to watch something, quite frankly, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>on a Saturday night, and particularly if I've got something

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<v Speaker 1>dark and red in a bottle in my hand or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. But on my way home from Oki,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of the clubs that I do some

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<v Speaker 1>work ap former former base of Alan Kilshaw, current Oldham coach.

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<v Speaker 1>My tire blue and it blew quite significantly, so much

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<v Speaker 1>soul that we were driving on the rim so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were in the middle of a motorway so

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<v Speaker 1>we were stuck. So that was a bit of an ordeal.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I got home, the last thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do was watch sport. I've just wanted to forget

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was. I was down to cover the first

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<v Speaker 2>game I was in New York and the third game

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<v Speaker 2>Lane Warranton and then obviously the kind of the thing

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<v Speaker 2>at Megic weekend. You're dipping in and out of the

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<v Speaker 2>press box to go down and do press conferences and

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<v Speaker 2>then mixed so you can't really see every bit of action.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit of a crazy sort of day. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think the other messages that I think

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<v Speaker 2>out of one eight derbies in a row, they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>lost the Derby since twenty three So if you say

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, as your big rivals, that's that's a concern. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a big job on his hands. Next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's just put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, have they confirmed McNamara, Yes, it really is a

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<v Speaker 1>big thing when two derby teams have such a significant

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<v Speaker 1>record like that. I mean, you'll know, being in yourself Welshman,

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<v Speaker 1>how tough it would have been when Queensland were winning

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<v Speaker 1>all those still shields. Now, I guess the difference is

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<v Speaker 1>you probably didn't have people in the same classroom if

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<v Speaker 1>you were a kid who supported the team on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the town, but it was still still

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<v Speaker 1>felt it. I mean I always remember I was working

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<v Speaker 1>at Saint Gregory's and some teacher just said when the

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<v Speaker 1>year twelves were about to graduate one year, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these kids have gone through high school and

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales haven't won series and and those things

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<v Speaker 1>start to become quite quite significant. And I have sympathy

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<v Speaker 1>with all f C fans because I was I am

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<v Speaker 1>a Man City fan, but I've been a Man City

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<v Speaker 1>fan since the womb And I used to say to

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<v Speaker 1>me support United? Dad City a ship he said on

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<v Speaker 1>the other phone, yeah and so so and he me

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<v Speaker 1>before there was even a World Cup Championship, so nostra

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<v Speaker 1>dam was there. But also he used to say, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's right, that things go in cycles and in life

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<v Speaker 1>and realities change all the time. I mean, there was

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<v Speaker 1>there was a time there where nobody thought anybody would

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<v Speaker 1>win the league apart from Wigan, and then thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>on there's still most of the leagues, or more or

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<v Speaker 1>less most of the leeks happened. So Lee twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>Warrington six. That's quite a big victory in context and

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<v Speaker 1>in score line too. New Armstrong, Pape and Hanley kicked,

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<v Speaker 1>scored the tries and Cook cooked up four goals. Warrington

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<v Speaker 1>six came from Sneed and Irwin. And how much does

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<v Speaker 1>this dent Warrington's title hopes. I don't know when in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs if it does, particularly Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think the GAT now has four points

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<v Speaker 2>of the leads to the top, so in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>them winning the League Lady's Shield, it's definitely a blow

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<v Speaker 2>Warrington because they lost a few players after the Canaan's game.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm missing, off the top of my head, Kite

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<v Speaker 2>Ray George Williams Luke Yates simply a few others sort

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<v Speaker 2>of died across the team, so they were down on troops.

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<v Speaker 2>But Lee were really really good in this game. They

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<v Speaker 2>came out and they were weren't perfect, but they went

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<v Speaker 2>far from it and Warrington coughed up an air on

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<v Speaker 2>their own line early on, a few more other errors

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<v Speaker 2>and Lee just made them pay. It was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very impressive from from the Leopards and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was their fifth winner the last six, So they're really

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<v Speaker 2>knocking on the door now of the top six. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to see them not not getting in there

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<v Speaker 2>when you consider the form that they're in. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know they've got their players back fit now and

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<v Speaker 2>they've got they've got some real talent there, you know

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<v Speaker 2>with Lock and Lamb Pape. You know the pack that

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<v Speaker 2>they've got eyes at lou Oft and go Away, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very very strong. And then you know they've got Davy

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong at the back as well. So yeah, it's it

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<v Speaker 2>was a very good even for the Leopards. This making

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<v Speaker 2>a bee line. Well what the Leopards do They're pouncing

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<v Speaker 2>on the six who's at risk of falling out? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to look at the Ladder Ladder soon. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know exactly what the lad

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<v Speaker 2>obviously with the last game. But for me, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking on kind of recent form, I think it's Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Helen's they're probably the most in danger because you look,

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<v Speaker 2>Leeds are clear at the top now, Warrington are not

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<v Speaker 2>far behind them whole k are you know, not far

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<v Speaker 2>off that same with Wigan and Wakefield are the other team.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many they've won in a row

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<v Speaker 2>now well, but they've They've been in great form Wakefield

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously they were excellent today that absolutely obliterated Castleford.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't see, you know, anything denting Wakefield right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is yeah, I think probably the most pressure

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<v Speaker 2>is on is on and Helln's you know, we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that game in a minute. But they really struggled

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<v Speaker 2>to score points.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go across the Channel, which is French

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<v Speaker 1>for the Channel, to the Journe Magique which is French

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<v Speaker 1>for magic round. Because to lose played Catalans in the

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<v Speaker 1>south of France to make a quid is.

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<v Speaker 2>It cast three cast? I can spell it, don't I

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<v Speaker 2>can say it. But in France.

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<v Speaker 1>Catalan's eighteen d sweet to lose sixty, I've forgot how

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<v Speaker 1>to say sixty in French. Catalans tries came from Leaming

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<v Speaker 1>La Guare Sexton and three goals from Sexton added to

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<v Speaker 1>their score to lose. Their sixty were from two tries

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<v Speaker 1>from Paul Sally, two from Hands, two from just Say,

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<v Speaker 1>one from Come, two from Ashley Bolt, one from Alburg

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<v Speaker 1>and ten goals from Shorecks. Ten tries to lose racked

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<v Speaker 1>up there dece tries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have to admit I have seen zero of

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<v Speaker 2>this game. I think it was on nine o'clock UK

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<v Speaker 2>times for me, four games in the one day, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>not at the same venue. But it wasn't the best scheduling.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was sort of finishing up at the

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<v Speaker 2>stadium and then going out for a meal, but I

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<v Speaker 2>did and then for a beer, and then I did

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<v Speaker 2>see the score so much and I was shocked. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>look to Louse have been near the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 2>table for most of the year, but to score sixty,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, to concede sixty, you have to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wonder how bad the Dragons were. Like, I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not accusing them of match fixing, but you would be

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<v Speaker 2>punning Stewards. What's what's going on there? But by oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I speaking to some people today who watched the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently Catlin's were leading in the first half and you

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<v Speaker 2>know they're right, and then they just completely shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it was you know, fatigue, the heat, whatever, but

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<v Speaker 2>they just threw in the tower and then apparently to

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<v Speaker 2>loose for electric. Everything they did came off all the

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<v Speaker 2>past the start electric. Yeah, but very bizarre, bizarre scoreline.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ask me, I'm probably not in the keeping

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<v Speaker 2>of what we've already seen from both teams this season.

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<v Speaker 1>To answer the question that is on everyone's mind right now,

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<v Speaker 1>French for sixty is Swassle Wakefield forty eight, Castleford six

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<v Speaker 1>as another big score too, tries from Scott to try

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<v Speaker 1>from Johnston two from handling Ula warms have got one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you're in trouble. Oh no, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Alex walms with that, No.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot on was Warmsley from.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Wallams who play is Smoothie scored rock scored and

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<v Speaker 1>six goals from Castleford from Simperfield. You're you're knackered because

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<v Speaker 1>late at night I'm knackered because it's early in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Castleford six came from Gary Gary and a goal from Weaver.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine tries Wakefield have scored there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, were electric. They bullied Cass. I mean casts were

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<v Speaker 2>very very average. I mean Ryan Carr and the post

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<v Speaker 2>Crest conference said some of his players gave up, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a pretty damning indictment of how his

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<v Speaker 2>team played. But Wakefield we were electric. The way they went,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly left the right edges and you know they're finishing out,

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<v Speaker 2>scored some really really good tries. Yeah. The Cass he

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, they only lost. There was a hard

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<v Speaker 2>fought loss against you at last week, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know the didn't play badly, but they were just

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<v Speaker 2>never in it today at all. So you just really

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<v Speaker 2>want it. You know, one week they're beating Wigan, they're

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<v Speaker 2>burnings and Helens, and then you know, the next week

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<v Speaker 2>they're copying forty six points. It's yeah, it's really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to have, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the big difference in my experience from coaching

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<v Speaker 1>of players that go on to the highest highest levels

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<v Speaker 1>versus those that go on to high levels but don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily really play origin or tests or whatever. It may

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<v Speaker 1>be the big difference is the ability two be to

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<v Speaker 1>do what you have to do week in week out,

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<v Speaker 1>and and not only that, get better at it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there'll be a thousand examples in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Jack Wellsby is one that sticks out some.

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<v Speaker 1>But using Reese Walsh as an example in the NRL,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very hard for me, as somebody who's

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<v Speaker 1>been involved in so much performance coaching, to say about

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<v Speaker 1>Reese Walsh that he's a top, top top class player.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a top class talent, but he seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>difficulty and people keep saying, oh, he's young and he's

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<v Speaker 1>been a first grader now for about five six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not that young.

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<v Speaker 1>He his rocks or diamonds. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>that team, the Broncos, I mean, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the NRL necessarily yet in simple three six

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<v Speaker 1>team we do that a bit later, but they are

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<v Speaker 1>they've gone from Grand Final winners to second from bottom

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<v Speaker 1>in the ladder at the moment, and this isn't their

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<v Speaker 1>first time doing this. Twenty twenty three they got within

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<v Speaker 1>cooie of winning the Grand Final and then the year

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<v Speaker 1>after did enough to get the coach punted. So the

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<v Speaker 1>whole culture of that club and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>people around Reese Walsh are also dictating their standards a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit too. Now, what's clear is that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>meeting those marks all the time, and there's a minimum

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<v Speaker 1>and your maximum is up to you as a player

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<v Speaker 1>or up to you as a professional. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that's just what a team like Castleford are are

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<v Speaker 1>battling with at the moment. I mean, Huddersfield haven't got

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to get the minimums in at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Castleford are getting those wins and doing the

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<v Speaker 1>good things or put it in the good performances that

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<v Speaker 1>we've noted so much on this podcast, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>because they've got a coach that's they're trying to drive standards. Yes, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes players will not quite understand what those standards

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<v Speaker 1>are even though they're doing their best to achieve them,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just it just happens to be the problem

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<v Speaker 1>for many teams at the bottom end of ladders in

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<v Speaker 1>so many divisions in the game, quite frankly, and there'll

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<v Speaker 1>be no doubt paying overs for some players too, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just because why would you go to Castleford when they're

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<v Speaker 1>down the bottom end of the ladder kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>so they have to pay overs to get players. So

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<v Speaker 1>but I think overall Car's doing a good job and

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<v Speaker 1>he'll be getting used to this bipolear nature of his team.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, I think, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the squad was already assembled before he took over at

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<v Speaker 2>Cass And obviously they've brought Sam players in mid season,

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<v Speaker 2>signed Diaman Cook and it looks like they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>sign Torre Sloan both from the Dragons, players that Car

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<v Speaker 2>coached at the Dragons last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Tyre Slold's Rocks Diamonds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but you were thinking super perhaps where the intensity

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<v Speaker 2>week in week out is not as high he could excel.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think they're at least players that can't knows

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<v Speaker 2>and trust so had more of his Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of squad I think next year, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think you're right. I think they've got to

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<v Speaker 2>stick with him and see what you can do. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you're you're a Cast fan, you were

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<v Speaker 2>pre dejected today watching your team.

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<v Speaker 1>B I think I think as well aside, like Castleford

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<v Speaker 1>and Huddersfield. You get you get out of that malaise

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<v Speaker 1>by signing some players who you know what you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of them week in week out, and

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<v Speaker 1>they add some staunch into your midfield. You have maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one of your centers, particularly your right center as strong defensively,

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<v Speaker 1>because quite often teams put their best strike center on

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<v Speaker 1>the left and most of the world right handed as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so things happen a bit more emphatically on that side

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<v Speaker 1>of the field. And so yeah, it'd be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see how that project unfolds. But I think they're going

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<v Speaker 1>in the right direction overall. Talking of a team that's

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<v Speaker 1>going in the right direction. Leeds clocked up the half

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<v Speaker 1>century fifty. Yeah, and Bradford only scored sixteen tries from Croft, Hankinson, O'Connor.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe Terry O'Connor scored a try McDonald, Handley

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<v Speaker 1>got three and Connor scored a try in sivol. He's

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<v Speaker 1>dropping off, he's dropping off. He only got one and

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<v Speaker 1>Connor kicked seven goals Bradford. Sixteen came from Akins, two

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<v Speaker 1>from Ryan and two from Hooley. Nine tries for Leeds

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<v Speaker 1>eleven wins from twelve they're at the top of Super

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<v Speaker 1>League again. From a coaching point of view, they will

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<v Speaker 1>be concerned though about conceding that sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think when its match that was made,

421
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<v Speaker 2>coming into it, I think personally I was thinking, you know,

422
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.440
<v Speaker 2>they're going to beat Breadford by at least twenty. You know,

423
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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the prospective forms, the way leads

424
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<v Speaker 2>are playing at the moment, they just seemed they're really

425
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<v Speaker 2>expensive with the ball and they seem a very tight group,

426
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<v Speaker 2>like you know, they seem there's a lot of trust.

427
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, they'll they'll throw left the right, they'll make runs,

428
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<v Speaker 2>they'll up on the inside, but everyone's willing to work

429
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<v Speaker 2>for each other and a lot of stuff is kind

430
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<v Speaker 2>of coming off and they're just you know, they've got

431
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<v Speaker 2>a huge amount of momentum and confidence because they're winning

432
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<v Speaker 2>every week. I think, you know, the big test obviously

433
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<v Speaker 2>they lost to Wigan a little while ago, and I

434
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<v Speaker 2>think that's the big test for them. But everyone else

435
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 2>pretty much, they've you know, they've they've punted and yeah,

436
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 2>they took care of Bradford pretty easily today. Bradford, you know,

437
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>first year in Super League, they've got quite a few injuries,

438
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but just you know, on paper they don't really have

439
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<v Speaker 2>the troops to match leads and they did. You know,

440
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<v Speaker 2>the second half they they shared a bit of fight,

441
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>scored a few tries, but it was always going to

442
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<v Speaker 2>be a Leeds victory. But I think apart from the endgame,

443
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the worrying thing is how lopsided virtually every game at

444
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 2>well bar two, every game at Magic.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Was don't worry, I've got that in the agenda. Wigan

446
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>sixteen Saint Helen's fourteen. Before you start getting grumpy Davidson,

447
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:28.599
<v Speaker 1>that was a great game and it's been described as

448
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 1>a chaotic, stormy and thrilling derby.

449
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was. It was very brutal, it was very physical.

450
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>It was like it was like the song out there.

451
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>There was bodies dropping and both teams really really gave

452
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<v Speaker 2>it everything in terms of physicality, in terms of putting

453
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<v Speaker 2>their bodies on the line. Wigging with the St Alan's

454
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>with quite a few injuries, but Wiggan with some big

455
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<v Speaker 2>misses through the week in Thompson and French and Farrell well.

456
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<v Speaker 2>But for me, I think Saint Ellens just wells We've

457
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<v Speaker 2>got two yellow cards. They just seem to be their

458
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.440
<v Speaker 2>own worst enemy at times, like they did a lot

459
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>of good things and you know, they showed a lot

460
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>of group, but just with the ball, they just they

461
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 2>don't offer enough. I know we've said this earlier in

462
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the in the season, and I think that is their

463
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:24.079
<v Speaker 2>real problem. You know, I don't think they ask enough

464
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<v Speaker 2>questions in.

465
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Attack fantastically defensively either.

466
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<v Speaker 2>No, but I think you can't fold their effort. And

467
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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, they were in this game up

468
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<v Speaker 2>until you know, full time and it was a very

469
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>full blooded affair. But yeah, the identity derby, as as

470
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<v Speaker 2>I coined, it goes to Wigan again and you know

471
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 2>they obviously avenge they're good Friday loss and you know

472
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.480
<v Speaker 2>they dominated Saint Ellen's in the Cup and it's finals,

473
00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, big big win for a big results for

474
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<v Speaker 2>for the Warriors.

475
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.079
<v Speaker 1>But also Saint Helens can get plenty from that too.

476
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean they did get dominated in the cup game,

477
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 1>but they've gone toe to toe with their nearest rivals

478
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.599
<v Speaker 1>while they struggle to find their identity the ladder. I'm

479
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:17.279
<v Speaker 1>going to go from bottom to top this week. Everybody's

480
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>played seventeen apart from Hull, k R and Warrington and

481
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>will play their game their extra game sometime in twenty

482
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:31.119
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine issue Huddersfield rock bottom on four points, and

483
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>then there's four teams on ten in thirteenth at Bradford

484
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 1>York Knights are in twelfth to lose her in eleventh

485
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 1>on Hull left c are on ten in tenth, Castle

486
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>that are in ninth on twelve, Catalans are in eighth

487
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 1>on sixteen and then the race for the six gets interesting.

488
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Lee Leopards are pouncing on the six. As we said,

489
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<v Speaker 1>they're in seventh on tw twenty. There they are two

490
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.599
<v Speaker 1>behind Saint Helens who were in sixth. They are two

491
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.359
<v Speaker 1>behind Hulkingston Rovers who were in fifth but have a

492
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 1>game in hand. Wakefield of fourth with twenty four points,

493
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Warrington our third with twenty four points, Wigan our second

494
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>with twenty four points, but Leeds Rhinolds are at the

495
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>top clear by four points. Jeez, I made that sound

496
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:32.119
<v Speaker 1>exciting and.

497
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>It's quite tight though in that top six and obviously

498
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Wiging going second on points difference and at the bottom,

499
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're not had us filled out and that

500
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 2>sort of fight not to be second last between what

501
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Bradford Y're to loose and Hull I mean, it really

502
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>just shows how bad hollis being. You know that that

503
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>they're down there with the three promoted teams and with

504
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.839
<v Speaker 2>the hardest field. That's that's pretty shocking, to be fair.

505
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's it's tired in certain areas in both

506
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the table. But I can't see Catalans. They're in night,

507
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>aren't they the dragons. I think they've got leads this

508
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:20.400
<v Speaker 2>weekend in perfume and I can't see I mean I

509
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>said this a few weeks. I can't see Catalans making

510
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a run for the eight. I think they're the toasts.

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00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Personally. I've got about three tweets of the week this

512
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<v Speaker 1>week you Rugby League tweets.

513
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Of a week.

514
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Cherry and White Pins and we've already spoken about this topic,

515
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 1>so we don't need to if you don't want to

516
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>go into any more depth unless you've got anything else

517
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to say. But Cherry and White Pins said, Cuddersfield are

518
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:48.559
<v Speaker 1>better absolutely nothing compared to any other team, absolutely nothing,

519
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>exclamation mark, stadium fans, squad, commercial value, fan experience, and

520
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 1>they soon won't even be in Huddersfield. They don't deserve

521
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 1>to be in the league. And then somebody else who

522
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 1>you said, I'm a Huddersfield fan, and I completely agree

523
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I tweet of the week.

524
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>I will say this, you can get parking at Haddersfield

525
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 2>and you usually get a meat pie, which you can't

526
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>always get a sign. And I'm talking about for the media,

527
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>so they're doing all right on that. In that recard.

528
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to save my other tweet of the week

529
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 1>right to the end because it's about the Prime Minister,

530
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 1>so well sorry, the Prime Minister in waiting, So I'm

531
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<v Speaker 1>going to save that for the end of the news items.

532
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>But I do have I do have another tweet of

533
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 1>the week. You never send me a job these days,

534
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.759
<v Speaker 1>so I've decided what your job is. It's your tweet

535
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of the week and stroke Johnny's job. Well, Johnny's winge

536
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>so long, it's over, so long, over, it's not funny

537
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>because you we tweeted the League Scene who said the

538
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>NRL has reportedly set down set to clamp down on

539
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>conflicts of interest for those who hold roles in the

540
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>game and evolved in the media. It will have impacts

541
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.279
<v Speaker 1>on both Nine and Fox, with a stable of hon

542
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Air talent possessing other roles as guidelines are set to

543
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>become even tighter as part of the new broadcast deal. Discourse.

544
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think everyone knows, not only the NRL,

545
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 2>but Super League. Rugby league is a small sport in

546
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>the sense that there's often people with multiple jobs and

547
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 2>multiple roles and if you're working, you know, I've seen

548
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 2>it in Super League. You know, I've seen agents working

549
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>for broadcasters have interviewed their own players. You see it

550
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 2>on Fox Through the Break, and that's there is an

551
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>agent with several players in the n RL, coaches like

552
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Willie Peers or his client, and then he's interviewing those

553
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 2>people giving commentary on other clubs. Like it's just huge

554
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>conflicts of interesting at Gas School, Like I think Gas

555
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Gold is a very good media pundit because he's a

556
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 2>very smart man when it comes to rugby league, and

557
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 2>I think he's quite good at building rosters and pathways.

558
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>But he shouldn't be you know, getting millions to work

559
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>for nine but then also rolling bulldogs at the same time.

560
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 2>And we saw that with the Lachlan Galvin thing when

561
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 2>he was at the Tigers. You know, it's just it's

562
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>just a bit laughable. I think, you know, it's one

563
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>or the other.

564
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>You can't think it came in and needed to so

565
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 1>in fairness and to sort of explain this phenomenon, Gus

566
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 1>was a media person for a long time before he

567
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 1>went to the Panthers all the Bulldogs this time around

568
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the first time he was already at the rooster he was,

569
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 1>but he was long before that. He was a player

570
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 1>and a coach, wasn't he. Yeah, I just said to

571
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 1>be along at the start of his media journey. He

572
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was at the Roosters, but he did did get away

573
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>from cub Land for a long time. So you know,

574
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>some of the decision makers at Penris wouldn't have even

575
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>been conscious by the first incarnation. And when Gus was

576
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 1>running around and playing and coaching rugby league, so there's

577
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>a there's a bit of Devil's Advocate there, and then

578
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden the game was going, Oh, hang

579
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.599
<v Speaker 1>on a minute, Gus has just said something about Lucky Galvin,

580
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 1>and Lucky Galvin's ended up there. I mean, how many

581
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.519
<v Speaker 1>times it happened over the years, right. But the other

582
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>reason this happens, particularly in England, is people have to

583
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 1>make a living and and unfortunately in England, a lot

584
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of the jobs that look like they might pay a

585
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of money on TV, don't feed your family. They

586
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 1>might be good, they might be good, they might be

587
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>decent for what you're doing in that time, i e.

588
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Three hours work might be worth more than your average

589
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Joe or Joe Anguetz, but it's not enough to feed

590
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:07.079
<v Speaker 1>your family. So people end up doing multiple things. I

591
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know what that excuse is in the NRL in

592
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>many cases. I mean, the NRL certainly is a little

593
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>bit smoke and mirrors. The game is not as big

594
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 1>as it parades itself as. No, but there are some

595
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>people making an absolute motster out of rugby league too,

596
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's because they have two or three roles and

597
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.599
<v Speaker 1>got fair play to them. There's no rules in place

598
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 1>right now, but it stinks. I mean, there are shows

599
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>that I've stopped consuming on mainstream media because I've said

600
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>agendas and I am more likely to get my news

601
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:54.119
<v Speaker 1>now from a podcast. I won't name any names. I

602
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>won't say who or whatever, because I don't want to

603
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of individually accuse anybody or what not. But one

604
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching some of these shows and I'm thinking, mm hmm.

605
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I know for a fact he's got a long standing

606
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 1>relationship with that culture. I know for a fact that

607
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 1>he used to play for that club, or I know

608
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>for a fact that he's on the board at that club,

609
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's just yeah, it's it's rampantly absolutely.

610
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I think. I think in particularly in the programs or

611
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the shows or whatever which have a journalistic lean or

612
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 2>people are there for you know, their opinions, you have

613
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 2>to be very careful, you know, if you're an owner

614
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>of a club, or you you know, you're a coach

615
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>at at a other club, but then you're criticizing someone else,

616
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 2>you have to be very careful about what you say,

617
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 2>and you know the biases that you have. And I

618
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 2>think you know, some of the more obvious ones that

619
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>we've already mentioned are easy to to just sort of

620
00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 2>say no, you know, you can't do, you can't do,

621
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<v Speaker 2>excell I said, because often they may you know, may

622
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.360
<v Speaker 2>be any perceived conflict of interest, but it just opens

623
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<v Speaker 2>up the question does that to to biases or.

624
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<v Speaker 1>And it's harmless ones. There is harmless ones too. I mean,

625
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I think you know, you've got a contact book right

626
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>as a journalist, and sometimes you will speak highly of

627
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 1>a coach sometimes I suppose just because you know them better.

628
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.519
<v Speaker 1>And you don't even realize you're doing it sometimes, you know,

629
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know who they are, but

630
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 1>it just happens. I'm the same, your mind leans towards

631
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>certain things. So we've got to be got to be

632
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>really careful. One that always that I think is really

633
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 1>innocent and I'm not accusing them a minute of any

634
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>wrongdoing whatsoever. But I know Paul Crawley here in Australia

635
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 1>always sticks up for Wayne Bennett, and I think it's

636
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>because his dad had a great relationship with him and

637
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 1>his dad was heavily involved when Wayne Bennett first coach

638
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>at Canberra back in the eighties. So that's that's fine,

639
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>But can you imagine how many of these there are

640
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.519
<v Speaker 1>out there when we're when we're consuming what we're consuming.

641
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>So it really is a big issue. I mean, I

642
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.679
<v Speaker 1>don't know what we can do about it. It seems

643
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>like the MRL are trying to do something about it

644
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.159
<v Speaker 1>with the TV deal. I think what it will be

645
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 1>is they've got to say to the TV companies they

646
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 1>must tell your employees to make a decision.

647
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think I think with you know, we

648
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 2>talked we mentioned in Lockey Gallantine but the more probably

649
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:35.079
<v Speaker 2>recent one has been breath and asked when he was

650
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.079
<v Speaker 2>talking about machelin Ilius's treatment his client at Sydney. He's

651
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 2>very critical of Sydney and Blake Solid. You know, he's

652
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the manager. So yeah, he's got a foot in both.

653
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 2>It came so it's not a good lot. I think

654
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.199
<v Speaker 2>in that sort of situation as the host of that program,

655
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>he should be recruiting it. Sorry, excusing himself from that

656
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.440
<v Speaker 2>and saying, you know, ideally yeah, and you let other

657
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.440
<v Speaker 2>members on the panel have they say, but that's not

658
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>what's happened.

659
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Let's dissect Magic Weekend, John, So all the vibes coming

660
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 1>out of it are good, but we don't live off vibes.

661
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I've got the sense that you were genuinely excited this weekend,

662
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>particularly on the first day. You were excited today. I

663
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know how excited you are, but yeah, so was

664
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 1>it a success or not?

665
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 2>John? Look, I'll say out Frank, I'm a big fan

666
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 2>of Magic Weekend. I've always liked it. I think it's

667
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a great concept, a great idea. I've been I think

668
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:51.159
<v Speaker 2>I've been to maybe ten or eleven magics now I'm

669
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 2>not sure exactly but I went to the Eddie Head,

670
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 2>I've been to Newcastle. The lot went to Anfield which

671
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:01.039
<v Speaker 2>was pretty average. Leeds was very average. But I think

672
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 2>this year was great. Record breaking attendance of eighty two,

673
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.760
<v Speaker 2>nine hundred and twenty five. Now, I think you can

674
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 2>look at that a few different ways, like that's for

675
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>all seven games, so you know, we're not really comparing

676
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 2>apples for apples. They've thrown in.

677
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Six games, wasn't it.

678
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 2>No, No, no, So they're thrown in. There's the six

679
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 2>games in Hill Dickinson SATA. But they've also added in

680
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the attendance from Catalans v. Toulouse in France. So I

681
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's about I think it was about seventy eight thousand.

682
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 2>That's Hill Dickinson, which is still you know, up from

683
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.519
<v Speaker 2>I think the record of sixty eight thousand. It's James,

684
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.079
<v Speaker 2>but you also have to look that there's there's two

685
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>new teams in there. Obviously Bradford. You know they bring

686
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.280
<v Speaker 2>usually a fair few fans. But I think they've got

687
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the fixtures right. You know, you got you've got a

688
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>loop fixture, you've got whole Derby, you've got Wigans Saints,

689
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.039
<v Speaker 2>you've got Leeds Bradford Derby, you got Wakefield cast Derby.

690
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I think, I think the fixtures are really good.

691
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.559
<v Speaker 2>I think hill Dickinson Stadium obviously went there for the

692
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 2>ashes is a fantastic stadium. Something that I really noticed

693
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 2>how friendly all the staff were, Like not that the

694
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 2>staff that James's part went from me, but they were

695
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>just all the people went out of their way to

696
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>be really nice. I think it's a great experience for fans,

697
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 2>the fans. I went and had to look as a

698
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>DJ out. There was heaps of food options, lots of

699
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 2>people out there and joying that obviously warm weather. It

700
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.599
<v Speaker 2>was only about twenty one twenty two, but and I

701
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>think URL commercial investors and more money in promoting magic,

702
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, pushing it. There was more media events and

703
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I think that paid off. I think the concern, or

704
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:54.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess one point is it's the new venue, so

705
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 2>that's people are excited by that. But will that be

706
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the same next year or the year after. Like, I

707
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:00.679
<v Speaker 2>don't think we can say, okay, we have it at

708
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Hildikinson Stadium for the next five years and more because

709
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>people people like a change, don't they You know, you

710
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>can you know, you look at Wembley in the Challenge

711
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Cup final. People like a change, so I think that's

712
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 2>something to be aware of. The Other thing is also

713
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Liverpool is close to what wigans and how yeah, so

714
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 2>it's closer to the heartlands the Newcastle was, so that's

715
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>a factor.

716
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Closer than Newcastle still is.

717
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, moved.

718
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Castle hasn't moved, no, but.

719
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I think Magic is a great event, you know,

720
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.159
<v Speaker 2>That's why the NRLs copied it and done their own

721
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think it makes Super League feel like it's

722
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>on a bigger, grounder stage and I think it's really good.

723
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Sky love it, you know, from broadcasting point of view,

724
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 2>it's it's great content for them. So I think it's

725
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>good that it's staying in Hilton Dickinson Stadium next year.

726
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what we do for twenty twenty eight,

727
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:02.119
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I'm a big fan of Magic and yeah,

728
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>a long way continue.

729
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>And let's add it to the record once again and

730
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 1>credit where it is due. The UK Rugby League were

731
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the first to do Magic. Yes, it was copied by

732
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 1>the NRL and then copied by the AFL, so yeah, yeah,

733
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I forget what they call it. Does they gather around

734
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>something like that? They tried to reach around or something.

735
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

736
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 1>I got some scintillating pros sent to me, and to

737
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>be fair, this wasn't meant for public consumption, but I've

738
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 1>referred to the committee and decided it's going in because

739
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 1>it came from my dad, Chris. The sensational proses as

740
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>follows Magic Weekend was ship up to Wigan Saints. It

741
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.440
<v Speaker 1>had a bit of everything, first, second to last. I

742
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 1>assuming means the Wig and Saints game had a bit

743
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 1>of everything. And then he added cast gave up after

744
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 1>ten Bradford bullshit Catalan made, which is French for shit.

745
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield beyond description lea good whole team's very average leg

746
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh there's a podcast. I don't know why. I don't

747
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 1>know why you bothered with our assessment.

748
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think. Look, it would have been

749
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>nice if we had more competitive games, less lop sided contests,

750
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 2>but you can't as an organizer. You can't. Really, That's

751
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that's up to the teams themselves and the players. Isn't

752
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it like you can't bank on that. I think in

753
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>an ideal world we would have had more games going

754
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.079
<v Speaker 2>right down to the wild being closely fort and we

755
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 2>did have a lot of one sided contests. That's just

756
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:52.639
<v Speaker 2>an unfortunate reality. You know. Wakefield smash cast lead smash,

757
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Bradford York were fairly dominant over Huddersfield and Lee pretty

758
00:45:58.880 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>much smashed Warrington.

759
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>It's because they had a shorter preseason for a competition

760
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:07.719
<v Speaker 1>that got changed within a matter of weeks in terms

761
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of its rules before the competition, and I think some

762
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 1>of these teams are genuinely struggling, struggling to keep up

763
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:18.119
<v Speaker 1>with the pace of it. Our mate, our long term mate,

764
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 1>James Varley also messaged some of his feedback from Magic Weekend.

765
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Warrington was atrocious with their air account. Umulla Hanley, how'd

766
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you say it? Umler Mala Lamarla Hanley Mala Mala showed

767
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 1>he was a bit of a chip off the old

768
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 1>block with his trifle, Lee with his footwork. Despite it

769
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 1>being in Liverpool, I've seen more Whole Kr Leeds and

770
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Bradford Shurchs in Liverpool City Center than for any of

771
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the Lancashire clubs. The whole clubs both had a big

772
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>support there yesterday, more than the Warrington Jay Lee fans.

773
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. On my way over on Saturday I saw a

774
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of FC and KR fans think obviously it's probably

775
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.199
<v Speaker 2>the furthest distance, isn't it, so they're more likely to

776
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 2>stay over on the on the Saturdays. A lot of

777
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Cash shirts this morning and a lot of Leeds shirts.

778
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe maybe there's a lesson in there for where

779
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 1>we have Magic because it's seen as more of a

780
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.079
<v Speaker 1>trip away for the Orchard crowd, whereas it be a

781
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 1>day trip for the Yes, but it can be a

782
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 1>day trip if you're from Yorkshire.

783
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>But there's much I think the idea, the idea, the

784
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 2>original idea of Magic Weekend was to kind of take

785
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the game to new market. So I went to Cardiff,

786
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I went to Scotland. It's being in Newcastle Liverpool, but

787
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the probably reality is it's more of a just a

788
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>day out for for fearing somewhere new and exciting and different.

789
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.119
<v Speaker 2>It's not really growing rugby league in Wales, for Scotland

790
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 2>or in Merseyside. But it makes money for the clubs

791
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 2>and that's the key. That's the key thing. I understand

792
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 2>that the clubs this year got more money because of

793
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the ticket sales been increased than they did last year.

794
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 2>So you know, we need more profitable events, don't we.

795
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Speaker 1>A couple of players are being offered to super League

796
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Junior to Power and tom it tallowe Yes.

797
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 2>My understanding a bit of an exclusive there that the

798
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.559
<v Speaker 2>two wingers, they could be one of them at least

799
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 2>could be super Leg bound in twenty twenty seven. I

800
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 2>think it Allows only made three or so appearances for

801
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the Roosters this year.

802
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 1>While he's only young.

803
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 2>He's only young, yes, or Junior has been in the

804
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.639
<v Speaker 2>New South Last Cup and hasn't got to start. So

805
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't think either will be at the Chucks next year.

806
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I know. Yeah, they're looking for deals and super leiks,

807
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 2>So I want to want to watch the week's ahead.

808
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Tom it Allows twenty six years of age, but he

809
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 1>is dating Jessica Surgis, world w player apart three guys

810
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 1>to according to the Tintinet, And therefore let's start speculating

811
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 1>that jess Surgis could play in the women's Super League.

812
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that won't happen. But also Tommy the son of

813
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Willie Teller, who was a pretty handy player for the

814
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Dogs and Saint Helens and New Zealand. I believe back

815
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:25.239
<v Speaker 2>in the day.

816
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 1>The second or the fifteenth tweet of the week was

817
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:37.599
<v Speaker 1>from the MP for Makeerfield Ashtonham Makerfield, Andy Burnham, who

818
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>said rugby league deserves more. As a former president of

819
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the RFL, I'll be a staunch advocate of the game

820
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in whatever office I hold. Now, let me go tiny

821
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:54.960
<v Speaker 1>bit political for a little bit. I was a bit

822
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>upset that the Labor Party have started to do what

823
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the Tour did for fourteen years. When the Tories did

824
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.360
<v Speaker 1>it for fourteen years, he sort of thought, well, that's

825
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 1>what the tour is do. And then when Labor turf

826
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.679
<v Speaker 1>out their Prime minister, you know, I thought we were

827
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>over all this. So I've been it's a bit like

828
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>what can I compare it to, A bit like a

829
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>family of kids when the dad brings home the fifteenth

830
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend of the year, you don't necessarily think that the

831
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:41.960
<v Speaker 1>next one is the one. Yeah, But so I've been

832
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 1>a bit like that with the old Andy Burnham thing. Bob,

833
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 1>I've got to be honest. This made my heart glow

834
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, this whole the fact he was at

835
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Magic Round and whatnot. Because we all back politicians for

836
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:58.880
<v Speaker 1>what we can get out of it, basically, don't we?

837
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:03.119
<v Speaker 1>And yes, and you know, I know it's words and

838
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 1>he's pretty good at them. Yeah, but this has to

839
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:07.920
<v Speaker 1>be a good thing. It has to be a good

840
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 1>thing that the Prime Minister that we're likely to get

841
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 1>in the UK and the Speaker of the House are

842
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 1>both staunch rugby league people and that can't be any

843
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:24.400
<v Speaker 1>harm And it can't be It can't also be a

844
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:31.480
<v Speaker 1>coincidence that a Labor government has seen two knights of

845
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the realm in their time in government. And there's other advocates,

846
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 1>isn't they for rugby league, including the Wigan MP, the

847
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.519
<v Speaker 1>the Lee and Averton MP who's my cousin. You know,

848
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.599
<v Speaker 1>they're all advocates for rugby league. So this can't be

849
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:52.199
<v Speaker 1>a This can't be a bad thing.

850
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure if you're going to mention your family

851
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Labor Party connections, but you just have it.

852
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean yeah, she gets hate I think anyway

853
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.760
<v Speaker 1>on so I'll think a few more or no, Look,

854
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I think we can we can park the because this

855
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>is a rugby league podcast.

856
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.639
<v Speaker 2>We can partner whether you where you like Andy Burnham,

857
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 2>agree with his policies what the Labor Party has done

858
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 2>to get him into number ten, but what exactly what

859
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 2>you said having a UK Prime Minister who you know,

860
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.559
<v Speaker 2>he was the honorary president of Leaf Centurions. I think

861
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>he's played a bit of rugby league when he's you know,

862
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 2>he's got a connection to the sport. Having someone in

863
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 2>the highest office with the connection of the sport or

864
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.880
<v Speaker 2>an interest in it can only be a good thing.

865
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:44.000
<v Speaker 2>It can't be a bad thing. It doesn't mean he's

866
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 2>going to do alban easy and give three hundred million

867
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:51.440
<v Speaker 2>to set up a new team in Edinburgh, but which

868
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 2>would be great. But look, he at least knows the

869
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 2>sport exists, you know, and he knows you know, he

870
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.360
<v Speaker 2>knows what he's like. There's not enough people, powerful people

871
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>in the UK in positions of power and influence who

872
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:08.360
<v Speaker 2>either love rugby league or you know, can can allocate

873
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 2>a funding now people, some people forgotten, I certainly haven't.

874
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.039
<v Speaker 2>The Tory government under Boris Johnson gave rugby League twenty

875
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>five million pounds to do the laste, which lost money.

876
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know why they did that is because of

877
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the whole Workington Man thing. And they won votes and

878
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 2>won seats that were traditionally labor rugby league strongholds like

879
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Workington lightly etc. So yeah, I think it was great

880
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 2>that he was at the game. I think it was

881
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.559
<v Speaker 2>great that he spoke so positively about the sport. I

882
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:46.000
<v Speaker 2>can't remember another time where you had well, I'd say

883
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 2>at least three prime ministers in the world Alban Easy,

884
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Burnham soon and the guy in Papua New Guinea who

885
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:56.239
<v Speaker 2>are actually rugby league people. So that's got to be

886
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.679
<v Speaker 2>a good thing that you know in Australia. I mean,

887
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:04.280
<v Speaker 2>John Howard wasn't really Wagons fan, Bob Hawk wasn't Allegee,

888
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Paul Keating wasn't a Lligie, you know, Tony Abbott was

889
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 2>not really a Manly fan. That was just a taken

890
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.920
<v Speaker 2>bit of bullshit. He was a rugby union guy. I

891
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 2>can go on. So yeah, I think it's I think

892
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 2>it's positive. There's a lot of you know what was

893
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 2>interesting at that magic weekend. So he was there, Tessie

894
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 2>News scored and as we've talked about testing you before,

895
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 2>everyone booed, which still seems to people get sad about

896
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:36.239
<v Speaker 2>or upset about. And then they soon panned to Andy Burnham,

897
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.199
<v Speaker 2>who was clapping to try because he's a Lee fan.

898
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 2>But then there was people accusing him of supporting a

899
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:46.199
<v Speaker 2>wife beater, which I'm I'm fairly sure he probably doesn't

900
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 2>know the history of testing you. But when they showed

901
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Andy Burnham in the stadium there was a fairly large

902
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.119
<v Speaker 2>amount of booze, but there was also some applause as well.

903
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:59.639
<v Speaker 1>So what politicians get all the time exactly exactly exactly.

904
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean in Australia, as you know, any partition of

905
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 2>any political party is that sporting event. They all get booed.

906
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like a national passed on. But there is and

907
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I can judge this by my socials, there is a

908
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.840
<v Speaker 2>large amount of reform voters who are rugby league fans

909
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:20.320
<v Speaker 2>in the UK, so it will be interesting, yeah, whether

910
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 2>there is a bit more of a acknowledgment for rugby league,

911
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, under Burnham's tenure, or there's certainly as you

912
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.280
<v Speaker 2>know Lee, there's certainly MPs in rugby league areas now

913
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.320
<v Speaker 2>in power in labor and I think that's a positive

914
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:37.360
<v Speaker 2>for the sport.

915
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:42.599
<v Speaker 1>Mate. The FIFA World Cup is on making squillions and

916
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:47.559
<v Speaker 1>it's huge around the world. It's in America and their president,

917
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump was on st and greevesy in the eighties

918
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:55.440
<v Speaker 1>doing the Milk Cup draw. So who knows what could

919
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.039
<v Speaker 1>happen with Burnham being in the hot seat. John, You'll

920
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:01.039
<v Speaker 1>have some questions on your social duels, I think from

921
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 1>I do.

922
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I do have some questions. I think the first one

923
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:10.360
<v Speaker 2>it was a bit more of a statement from his

924
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:15.360
<v Speaker 2>name escapes me. I think it was Jay. There we go.

925
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.639
<v Speaker 2>It was from James Harvey. Are you a coy Hunter

926
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 2>fan boy? John? Which I did at Probably no, mate,

927
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.559
<v Speaker 2>I just appreciate talent. But he was talking about the

928
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>York halfback who scored two tries was made in the

929
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.840
<v Speaker 2>match for York, who actually signed from the Sunshine Coast

930
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Falcons to Newcastle Thunder. But it's really, you know, looks

931
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.199
<v Speaker 2>a really good talent, a young obviously half back and

932
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:47.679
<v Speaker 2>doing really well. Paul Kilbride had a question the lack

933
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:49.800
<v Speaker 2>of quality on the pitch. Five blow up matches here

934
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>in a state ridden but exciting last few minutes of

935
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:53.440
<v Speaker 2>the last game, throw on a blow at in France?

936
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.679
<v Speaker 2>How many good games? Really? I think we've kind of

937
00:56:56.719 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 2>talked about that, haven't we. I mean, I think if

938
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.679
<v Speaker 2>we want better games, then we reduce the amount of

939
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:11.039
<v Speaker 2>teams of the competition to ten, because we've talked maybe

940
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:15.079
<v Speaker 2>not hate but we've talked about about the playpool and

941
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.320
<v Speaker 2>statement from punting number one, Zach Eckersley should be the

942
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 2>first one I picked for England comfortably the best winger.

943
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.400
<v Speaker 2>It can also cover fullback and center something on the

944
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 2>others offer. I agree pretty much one hundred percent with this.

945
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think Dom Young would be the first

946
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>wing I pick, but I think Zach Exerssly should definitely

947
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 2>be in the squad. He's a big body, he's fast,

948
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 2>he's tough, and he can cover a fullback, center wing,

949
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 2>good and hot in the in the air. And I

950
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.320
<v Speaker 2>think probably Maddie Ashton is the other wing I picked.

951
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I think Johnston he's in good form. Maybe he's slightly

952
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.880
<v Speaker 2>below his peat years. Joe Burger should not be in

953
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.639
<v Speaker 2>the team. I'm trying to think of the contenders that

954
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.159
<v Speaker 2>that's probably about it. Unless there's an English winger you

955
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:04.800
<v Speaker 2>want to throw in the mix for the World Cup

956
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:10.039
<v Speaker 2>there Lee dom Young? Yeah, yeah, know, I already said him.

957
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sorry, Martin.

958
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I think he's about fifty five of these days. I

959
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 2>though he's still looking.

960
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 1>Jason Robinson probably look about twenty. Still doesn't get him, Yeah,

961
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:29.119
<v Speaker 1>has been two better wingers Mommy in an England Jersey.

962
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean Billy Boston was Welsh, so yes, then it was.

963
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 2>A great Britain jersey. It's a good, good difference. Question

964
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 2>from Ricky Sageant. When will the Championship grandfaon will be?

965
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't actually know that's I'm sorry, Ricky, there's been

966
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:47.599
<v Speaker 2>no information about that. Lee's looking for a new prop.

967
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Xaviervar surely fits that bill, with his age two being

968
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 2>a plus. I think Xavi Var has done well for

969
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:57.280
<v Speaker 2>your but he did have some concussion into issues, which

970
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 2>is why Wakefield didn't sign him. So I don't know

971
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:05.639
<v Speaker 2>if if lets would would be interested, but he's done

972
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.800
<v Speaker 2>well at York. Question from Mark Williams. In the past

973
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.360
<v Speaker 2>ten years of RFL central funding York have received is

974
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.199
<v Speaker 2>more or less equivalent to one year of Super League

975
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.840
<v Speaker 2>that Hattsfield has received. Where has that gone? What have

976
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 2>they spent it on? Partly obviously to most people, what

977
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:28.679
<v Speaker 2>needs to happen now? Hashtag Olympic Nights unleashed. I should

978
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 2>have put that as tweet of the week. Yeah, I mean,

979
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it would have been spent on salary cap,

980
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:41.039
<v Speaker 2>but it's the playing budget. Yeah, but but Hottlesfield have

981
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.679
<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of money on sacking and hiring new

982
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:49.119
<v Speaker 2>coaches and as we know, that hasn't worked partly. Number

983
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.239
<v Speaker 2>one question another one Paul Rowley and the St Helen's

984
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 2>coaching staff. You're resident Saint Helen's analysts.

985
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:01.119
<v Speaker 1>That you throw that to you, Well, who else is

986
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>on the coaching staff at Saints? So Paul Rowley's head coach,

987
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:05.400
<v Speaker 1>who was Brees is.

988
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 2>The assistant coach aiming O'Carroll. I think as was the

989
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.920
<v Speaker 2>other assistant has left to go to rugby union.

990
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what his point is it there a

991
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.000
<v Speaker 1>part I assume he means that they're not very good.

992
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 1>I do think there are deeper issues at Saints. I think,

993
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, at the start of this season of podcasts,

994
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 1>might Rush ended up leaving his role. I think the

995
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 1>club's going through a bit of a transformation. And yep,

996
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I've long said that. I think Paul Rowley has some

997
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:41.719
<v Speaker 1>improvement to do as a coach in the defensive side

998
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.079
<v Speaker 1>of the football in particular, But now you're talking about

999
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:49.639
<v Speaker 1>the offensive side as well being a concern. And yeah,

1000
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:52.760
<v Speaker 1>you're not saying anything pun to number one that I've

1001
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:57.000
<v Speaker 1>not been well, I've not mentioned the assistance and then

1002
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Lee Briers. I think we've never really scrutinized his role

1003
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in the English side. Was he the attacking coach of

1004
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:05.679
<v Speaker 1>the England team?

1005
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.280
<v Speaker 2>He was, Yes, he was.

1006
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:13.559
<v Speaker 1>They were terrible, They were terrible in attack. Lee Briers

1007
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:15.719
<v Speaker 1>was assistant at Brisbane for a while and I think

1008
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:21.000
<v Speaker 1>that helped him. And before that, so yeah, I mean

1009
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Sebold on a podcast referred to a head coach

1010
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:32.320
<v Speaker 1>being the father and an assistant coach being the big brother,

1011
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think sometimes people forget how different those roles

1012
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:43.360
<v Speaker 1>are and so therefore maybe we're putting too much emphasis

1013
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:49.000
<v Speaker 1>on the role of an assistant coach. But yeah, I

1014
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:53.840
<v Speaker 1>think Saints have every Saints fans have every right to

1015
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.000
<v Speaker 1>worry about what's going on with their club. But I

1016
01:01:56.039 --> 01:02:01.719
<v Speaker 1>would also say that the fact that Matty Pete came

1017
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:06.239
<v Speaker 1>out and talked about their identity means there's obviously subplot

1018
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>there and people are talking about Saints in a certain way.

1019
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe Pete was onto something that they are genuinely

1020
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 1>now trying to find a new identity to carry them

1021
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.880
<v Speaker 1>through the next couple of decades. Because a lot of

1022
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's success didn't happen overnight. I mean when I

1023
01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 1>left England, Saint were really upping things in terms of

1024
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the way they recruited and coached juniors, for example, and

1025
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 1>then a lot of those juniors ended up in Super

1026
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.239
<v Speaker 1>League and carrying them to a lot of success. So

1027
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:44.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's hardly the end of the world for

1028
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's fans. It's not like the bottom of the ladder.

1029
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:51.239
<v Speaker 1>And even over the hill when Wigan in the mid

1030
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:53.920
<v Speaker 1>two thousands lost their way a little bit, they ended

1031
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:59.679
<v Speaker 1>up in threat of relegation. So there are worse ways

1032
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:03.519
<v Speaker 1>of going through transition. Brisbane Broncos have won a premiership

1033
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:07.079
<v Speaker 1>and now they're second bottom, so there's there's more reasons

1034
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 1>to worry there. So but Saint Helen's fans demand success,

1035
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 1>don't they. And and that's because there's been many of them,

1036
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.719
<v Speaker 1>have a certain vintage. You've known nothing different.

1037
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's what I said, as you said earlier,

1038
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a period of transition there, you know.

1039
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:28.199
<v Speaker 2>I think what happened with Paul Willans, I think that

1040
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.440
<v Speaker 2>left his departure left at a club legend, left probably

1041
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a bit of taste in some people's mouth. Obviously Mike

1042
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:39.320
<v Speaker 2>rush going. There's been other staff, long standing staff leave,

1043
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:46.440
<v Speaker 2>a new coach coming in with new ideas. Yes, it's

1044
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.320
<v Speaker 2>an interesting period I think for the club and I

1045
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.960
<v Speaker 2>think the expectations are they're very high. But I don't

1046
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:54.639
<v Speaker 2>think you know, it's going to be a case of

1047
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:57.000
<v Speaker 2>signing one or two players and then we're top of

1048
01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:59.280
<v Speaker 2>the league again. I think it may take a while

1049
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:01.719
<v Speaker 2>for that to happen.

1050
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Now, John, you won't want to talk about the n

1051
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:07.440
<v Speaker 1>r L this week because New South Wales got battered

1052
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Speaker 1>in the last Origin, but also Manly have lost two

1053
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:13.559
<v Speaker 1>of the last three. So would you like to talk

1054
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.760
<v Speaker 1>about most Eagles this week? And well, get the game

1055
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:19.840
<v Speaker 1>was at seven am, so I was not up to

1056
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.639
<v Speaker 1>watch it. But for the piss then you wrap back.

1057
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 2>I do wonder how they lost to Pause are pretty

1058
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:33.559
<v Speaker 2>shyall frostball doomed. It's not been a good weekend for

1059
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:36.559
<v Speaker 2>the teams that John Davidson supports, and in.

1060
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Soccer Rouge as well, Waller Bees.

1061
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we can keep going and then we've got

1062
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:42.039
<v Speaker 2>we've got Origin game three.

1063
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Didn't even know the Wallabies were playing, that's how well

1064
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:47.280
<v Speaker 1>things are going in Australia.

1065
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And I was chatting Agent Lamb on Saturday about Origin

1066
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:54.840
<v Speaker 2>three and the treatment of laurened Early which was which

1067
01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:58.639
<v Speaker 2>was an interesting chat. But yeah, I've got a bit

1068
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:00.760
<v Speaker 2>of worries for the Blues on and saying I can

1069
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:04.119
<v Speaker 2>smell at Queensland a big CoInc victory.

1070
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Put New South Wales is going to aim up makes

1071
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I think what Lorie Daly has done is realized this

1072
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.719
<v Speaker 1>caper isn't for him in between game two and Game three,

1073
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and I think he might have been quite smart and

1074
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.880
<v Speaker 1>deferred a lot more to his players. That doesn't mean

1075
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:19.400
<v Speaker 1>in the next few days he's going to try and

1076
01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:23.559
<v Speaker 1>pretend he's doing a bit more. But I think he's

1077
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.000
<v Speaker 1>gone back to his players a little bit to say

1078
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:27.880
<v Speaker 1>what do we need to get right? I think there's

1079
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:30.880
<v Speaker 1>enough football IQ Rugby League IQ in that team to

1080
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 1>direct that conversation somewhere. Differently, that doesn't mean, though, that

1081
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:41.880
<v Speaker 1>the interchange is going to be fixed. That doesn't mean

1082
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:46.079
<v Speaker 1>the selections have been fixed. I mean why Aulaquart was

1083
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:48.960
<v Speaker 1>taken out the side to be brought back in again.

1084
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Why Corrasaw was brought in to sit on the bench

1085
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.119
<v Speaker 1>and then not be used when they were in dire

1086
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 1>need of something in and around the play the ball area.

1087
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:02.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's so many things, and yes, the treatment

1088
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:06.480
<v Speaker 1>of Lorry Daily. Nobody's criticizing Lorrie Daily as a human.

1089
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:09.920
<v Speaker 1>They're just critiquing his role as a coach. He should

1090
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.159
<v Speaker 1>never have been given the job. They should never have

1091
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:16.239
<v Speaker 1>been given the job. It's Origin and they can maybe win.

1092
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's Origin. It's Origin, mate, You should know that.

1093
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:20.320
<v Speaker 1>And I think.

1094
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Watching I love watching Lourie as a player. When you said, well,

1095
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I was in the late eighties and early nineties, he

1096
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.199
<v Speaker 2>was an absolute freak. But he's got the record for

1097
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.400
<v Speaker 2>the most losses as a coach in Origin and that's

1098
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:37.840
<v Speaker 2>really all you need to know. So this is going

1099
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:40.440
<v Speaker 2>to be regardless of the result on Wednesday, it's going

1100
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:43.039
<v Speaker 2>to be his last game as a as a stet

1101
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:43.480
<v Speaker 2>of Origin.

1102
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Cash and the Brisbane Broncos have lost eight on the bounce. Yeah,

1103
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean current premiers John That is.

1104
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Quite remarkable when you consider obviously, you know they went

1105
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.400
<v Speaker 2>through quite a bit last year to kind of somehow

1106
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:03.199
<v Speaker 2>win the Corn. But you know what Madge did with

1107
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the Blues and what he did with the kiwis before that,

1108
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:10.599
<v Speaker 2>but it's just all it's all gone wrong. And then

1109
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you look at the broncos I'm not followed it closely,

1110
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 2>but there's players we'd like, alcohol problems, isn't there And

1111
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.679
<v Speaker 2>there's you know, apparently Jesse Arthurs that they wanted to

1112
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.880
<v Speaker 2>re sign him and he said no thanks, I'll go

1113
01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:25.119
<v Speaker 2>to France and play for Catalans. And obviously the pain

1114
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and hears thing. So there's something not right there in

1115
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.920
<v Speaker 2>terms of the culture at the club or the happy.

1116
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.760
<v Speaker 1>But I coached a player who is now a doormen

1117
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:41.400
<v Speaker 1>in Brisbane and he's a really good human. He knows

1118
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:43.199
<v Speaker 1>right from wrong and whatnot, and.

1119
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Which is unlike a lot of dormant and Australian pubs.

1120
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:49.679
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, is a dormant who's in it for the

1121
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:54.719
<v Speaker 1>right reasons to keep people safe. And he's not a thug.

1122
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:58.719
<v Speaker 1>And he told me that the word on the street

1123
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.760
<v Speaker 1>in Brisbane at the time Brisbane's really a big village.

1124
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:07.400
<v Speaker 1>After twenty twenty four, so twenty was it twenty twenty

1125
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.519
<v Speaker 1>three they went to the Grand Final and lost. It

1126
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:14.440
<v Speaker 1>was yeah, So apparently the behavior of the Brisbane fan

1127
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:18.560
<v Speaker 1>players was off the charts, like they were the term

1128
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.479
<v Speaker 1>used was they had a disgrace to the club and

1129
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I think Madge was brought in to try and change that,

1130
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and I think there's been some pushback because every time

1131
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:31.920
<v Speaker 1>he trained a little bit hard, it gets leaked to

1132
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the media and the media turn on him. So they

1133
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:38.479
<v Speaker 1>either need to back their coach or let the players rule.

1134
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:41.199
<v Speaker 1>And I think I know what I'd do. Let's go

1135
01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:45.760
<v Speaker 1>to the excitement of this week's fixtures, and I bet

1136
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.439
<v Speaker 1>you can't wait for this one. John on Thursday York

1137
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Nights host Hull lef C. Who You're back in there?

1138
01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Well on this weekend's fair I'm definitely back in the nights.

1139
01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:01.359
<v Speaker 1>On Saturday, Huddersfield Giant versus Bradford Bulls.

1140
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:06.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean two teams that were very poor this weekend,

1141
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:10.680
<v Speaker 2>but I think I think the Bulls in that one.

1142
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Wigan and Warrington.

1143
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's quite a tasty one. And even though

1144
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 2>both teams are missing a lot of talent, I think

1145
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I think Wigan maybe just in a in a tight one,

1146
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:27.159
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I think Warranton if they if they're still

1147
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:32.720
<v Speaker 2>hoping or dreaming of grabbing first, then they need to

1148
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:34.279
<v Speaker 2>they need to really turn up in that game.

1149
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.079
<v Speaker 1>On Saturday, Lee played Castle Food at three o'clock.

1150
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean on current form and in the way

1151
01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Lee are looking, he can't say anything, but the Leopards.

1152
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.479
<v Speaker 1>Win that five thirty hill KR play Wakefield all the

1153
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:48.960
<v Speaker 1>good game.

1154
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.199
<v Speaker 2>That's a really yeah, that's a that's a really good game.

1155
01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Wakefield obviously beat whole KR a few weeks ago on

1156
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:58.319
<v Speaker 2>in great, great form. Whole K are not, you know,

1157
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:01.039
<v Speaker 2>hitting the straps, but they're still they're still a team

1158
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:04.119
<v Speaker 2>to be respected. So I think that one's too close

1159
01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:04.680
<v Speaker 2>to cool.

1160
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 1>And Catalans at Lee and Leeds at eight o'clock British time.

1161
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Leeds probably probably about forty.

1162
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:17.039
<v Speaker 1>And as is the way, now only one game on Sunday,

1163
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's hopes to lose.

1164
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even even with probably a few more injuries and

1165
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:28.359
<v Speaker 2>all suspensions from today's game, I think, and considering to

1166
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.920
<v Speaker 2>lose a big win, I think St Helens we'll get

1167
01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the points in that one.

1168
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:37.560
<v Speaker 1>And let's see how quickly this podcast ages. Because Berlin

1169
01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Harland of Manchester City fame was just headed norway ahead

1170
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:46.600
<v Speaker 1>with ten minutes to go against Brazil. Wow, well that

1171
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.960
<v Speaker 1>would be uh, that would be a hell of a result.

1172
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:54.479
<v Speaker 1>You tip for Wednesday's origin, I thought you were the same.

1173
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:59.640
<v Speaker 2>My tip for tonight is is s Burrito's, tacos and enchiladas.

1174
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:04.760
<v Speaker 1>All the way. Football is coming home without the h.

1175
01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:13.600
<v Speaker 2>My prediction is the Queensland win. My hope. My heart

1176
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:17.079
<v Speaker 2>is dreaming of a Blues victory. But I think I

1177
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.039
<v Speaker 2>think you were talking before about football IQ, and I

1178
01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:24.199
<v Speaker 2>think Queensland just seem to understand the Origin arena. And

1179
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:30.760
<v Speaker 2>when you've got players like Monster and Grant and you

1180
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.319
<v Speaker 2>know Sam Walker's kind of ability to play off the

1181
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:40.239
<v Speaker 2>cuff footy, He's really impressed me in this Origin Arena.

1182
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I think sadly it will be

1183
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:45.399
<v Speaker 2>a cane toad victory.

1184
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking Queensland might win because at the start of

1185
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the process I said on zero tackles loose carry that

1186
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.640
<v Speaker 1>it will either be Queensland three nil or Queensland two.

1187
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I should climb one, so I should. I's got his one,

1188
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Queensland have got one, So I'm going to go with Queensland.

1189
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think it will be an emphatic win.

1190
01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:09.760
<v Speaker 1>In New South I think New South Wales is going

1191
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:11.600
<v Speaker 1>to have a red hot crack it.

1192
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Is Sandcorp as well, like, how many deciders have you

1193
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.119
<v Speaker 2>so well as well at Suncorp about two three.

1194
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, you've also got to remember it's happened a bit

1195
01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:22.079
<v Speaker 1>more recently in the last few years, and you've got

1196
01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to remember a lot of these NRL players spent a

1197
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.840
<v Speaker 1>full year playing at Suncrp under the COVID times, so

1198
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:31.640
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not the daunting place that it used

1199
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to be. So for many of these players, they know

1200
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.039
<v Speaker 1>it very well and they play magic round there every year,

1201
01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:40.880
<v Speaker 1>so so put it this way, they've had a lot

1202
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:45.119
<v Speaker 1>more practice of playing at that place full of Queenslanders.

1203
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:48.079
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, just not you know, it's not the lang

1204
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:49.439
<v Speaker 1>Park of the eighties.

1205
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Is it. So they're not going to get pelted by

1206
01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Cairnes no like to. But I still think it's an

1207
01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:59.960
<v Speaker 2>intimidating place to play when it's a stet of our

1208
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:04.239
<v Speaker 2>and decider And there's how many how many million Queenslands

1209
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:06.880
<v Speaker 2>are there? Four million, five million? You know that will

1210
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:08.199
<v Speaker 2>be all.

1211
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.039
<v Speaker 1>There might have been a few more moved in during

1212
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:12.279
<v Speaker 1>the course of this podcast.

1213
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't counting the ones with the two heads, so

1214
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 2>there's probably eight million, so all of them will be

1215
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:18.039
<v Speaker 2>we'll be fired up.

1216
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to say after that.

1217
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was throwing a bit of Paul Gallon

1218
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:27.039
<v Speaker 2>in spot.

1219
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah, see you next week for three sixty.

1220
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:33.479
<v Speaker 1>Thanks John, thank you.