Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the poem Bo Show. Today,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Nikokado Avocado's epic comeback that
Speaker 1: has the whole entire internet talking about him. So, if
Speaker 1: you don't know who Nikokado Avocado is, he's a Muckbung
Speaker 1: YouTuber and he posted a video yesterday with this huge
Speaker 1: reveal of his two hundred and fifty pound weight loss,
Speaker 1: and he tells everybody that this For the past two years,
Speaker 1: he's been uploading pre recorded videos. He has not filmed
Speaker 1: a video in the last two years, and he just
Speaker 1: allowed everybody to believe that he was four hundred pounds
Speaker 1: when in secret, he was really on a weight loss
Speaker 1: journey preparing for this day. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: are praising him. So many people are loving this grand reveal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my initial thoughts I listen. If I
Speaker 2: am happy that he has lost weight, and if he's
Speaker 2: feeling healthier, that is fantastic. If he can walk further
Speaker 2: without being labored in breath, fantastic.
Speaker 3: I am not a fan of his.
Speaker 2: I don't like him, and him being two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty pounds thinner doesn't change who he is, It just
Speaker 2: changes how he looks, you know, so unless he also
Speaker 2: I think that he is toxic, a narcissist, aggressively manipulative.
Speaker 2: It is fine to play a character, I understand if
Speaker 2: that is even a character that he's playing.
Speaker 3: But I think at the end of the day, whether
Speaker 3: you are playing a character.
Speaker 2: Or not, the way that he has behaved, the things
Speaker 2: that he has said, the way that he has held
Speaker 2: himself responded to things, et cetera, have had real world
Speaker 2: impact on real people.
Speaker 3: In the world.
Speaker 1: A lot of people I don't think know that side
Speaker 1: of Niko Kado because that happened a long time ago
Speaker 1: when he first started his mockbong career, like the drama
Speaker 1: that happened with Stephanie Sue, before that, Veronica Wang, before that,
Speaker 1: Divine mud Cheese, and even before that, oh, I think
Speaker 1: he had something with another ASMR channel, And then before
Speaker 1: that he even got into a lot of beef with
Speaker 1: vegan YouTubers who have accused him of also doing the
Speaker 1: same things like manipul manipulating them, screwing them over, and
Speaker 1: being very.
Speaker 2: Deceptive, Like going on a health journey doesn't absolve you
Speaker 2: from all of the terrible things that you have inflicted
Speaker 2: on other people. I think it's I think it's a
Speaker 2: step in the right direction, right because it shows that
Speaker 2: he is putting care into his well being, so hopefully,
Speaker 2: on top of having gone through that weight loss journey,
Speaker 2: he's also gone to therapy and like spoken to someone
Speaker 2: about his crippling insecurity that causes.
Speaker 3: Him to be really mean to other people.
Speaker 1: I put up a community post on my YouTube channel
Speaker 1: the other day, and I think people were misunderstanding. I
Speaker 1: said something like, the public reaction is what I find
Speaker 1: so fascinating to Nikokado Avocado. I feel like no one's
Speaker 1: reacting to it. And a lot of people read that
Speaker 1: as me saying nobody's talking about Nikokado Avocado's transformation. That
Speaker 1: is not what I meant. I meant, Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: way people are reacting, like this is what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, he's like being praised and
Speaker 1: he's this.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch his video.
Speaker 2: I just watched the clips of his video from like
Speaker 2: other reaction channels and commentary channels.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It's weird.
Speaker 2: There were I'm happy he's getting healthy. I very might
Speaker 2: know if he's healthy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's calling him, oh my god, he's a healthy queen
Speaker 1: now king now, and we're so glad he's healthy. Now
Speaker 1: we don't know if he's healthy or not.
Speaker 3: That's super fair. He could be doing a lot of coke.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not what I meant, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting how everybody just assumes because he lost
Speaker 1: way and he's thin, that now he's healthy.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And because a lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 2: people quit being thinner right with being healthier.
Speaker 3: So I think that's why they auto like we automatically
Speaker 3: jump to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I feel like this is the perfect example
Speaker 1: of how fat phobia exists. A lot of people just,
Speaker 1: I feel like, made fun of him and didn't like
Speaker 1: him because he was a fat, obese guy who ate
Speaker 1: a lot of junk food and that was it. And
Speaker 1: then now he's thin and he's still eating a large
Speaker 1: amount of junk food, which is he had a whole, entire,
Speaker 1: big plate of black bean noodles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like yeah, in that like comeback video.
Speaker 1: He's eating this giant plate of instant black bee noodles.
Speaker 1: And now that he's thin, nobody cares his diet has
Speaker 1: changed so far, but nobody cares. Nobody's talking about how
Speaker 1: this fat, obese, disgusting, gluttonous guy is eating a big
Speaker 1: bull of noodles, yeah and yeah, and like three days
Speaker 1: ago they were all saying that, yeah. So it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I feel I find that the most fascinating. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if Nikokado is going to talk about it
Speaker 1: in a future video or acknowledge it, but I think
Speaker 1: he did, though he did that without direct video.
Speaker 2: I mean he said that he basically said that he
Speaker 2: was able to control the narrative, that basically people are lemmings,
Speaker 2: and that he can tell people what to say and
Speaker 2: how to think right. And he mentioned that everyone was
Speaker 2: hating him, calling him the villain, making fun of him. Uh,
Speaker 2: And I think I was I was confused because I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't really know what the social experiment was,
Speaker 2: but I think this idio well because then I was like,
Speaker 2: what is the social experiment? Because if you're talking about
Speaker 2: the past, you're basically saying acting like a terrible person
Speaker 2: will get people to treat you like you're a terrible person.
Speaker 3: But I think the real social experiment.
Speaker 2: Is the fact that he dropped a video of him
Speaker 2: thin as hell and then everyone changed their mind even
Speaker 2: though nothing else changed.
Speaker 3: Maybe that was it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was his intention, but I definitely
Speaker 1: am noticing that. Yeah, it's just crazy and wild, and
Speaker 1: it's like thin privilege is such a thing. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: people will never know. But this is such a good example.
Speaker 1: It's literally happening right now in front of our eyes,
Speaker 1: and people will still deny fat phobia and thin privilege.
Speaker 2: I think it's because the biggest argument because I've also
Speaker 2: struggled personally with fat phobia, right, like, being someone who.
Speaker 3: Is fat phobic, I will admit that. And it's uh,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I think we've kind of talked about it, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: your your viewer knows that you're overweight, right, Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 2: do you mind if I talk about it?
Speaker 1: No? Okay.
Speaker 2: So there was a point where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: but like I'm worried because I want you to be healthy, right,
Speaker 2: Like I want you to thin means healthy, and you
Speaker 2: mentioned you're like thin doesn't mean healthy mm hmm. And
Speaker 2: then for me, though, I was like, but it sometimes
Speaker 2: I still struggle with it because for me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: but to be healthy physically means like you're working out
Speaker 2: right and you're eating your greens and your veggies, and
Speaker 2: I guess for me, I've always been told that if
Speaker 2: you do those things, you're going to be thinner, right,
Speaker 2: Like that is just the result that occurs when you
Speaker 2: do those things. So I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't believe that fat phobia exists because if you are
Speaker 2: quote unquote healthy, you eat right, you exercise regularly, which
Speaker 2: is healthy, you will inevitably be thinner.
Speaker 1: This is such a complex topic, yeah, and I struggle
Speaker 1: with it because I don't want to be fat phobic, right,
Speaker 1: I think people should be comfortable in their skin.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I've struggled with my weight and my.
Speaker 2: Self image because of the way that the media kind
Speaker 2: of shovels all of this shit.
Speaker 3: Down our throats.
Speaker 2: And I do try to be mindful and respectful of
Speaker 2: other people's struggles and all this stuff. And I you know,
Speaker 2: but I do think pretty privilege is a thing. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do think that. I do think that people who
Speaker 2: are fat get treated differently in a negative way because
Speaker 2: of the way they look. I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stigma around that and a lot of negative stereotyping. Right,
Speaker 2: they all think they're lazy and gross, and eat NonStop
Speaker 2: up and but yeah, I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't believe it exists because they think that if you
Speaker 2: are fat, it's like your fault.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you eat a lot your it.
Speaker 1: Means you're lazy. And so I don't know, the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is they just they just don't like
Speaker 1: fat people, period.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is the that is the base.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they use oh but your health, but your
Speaker 1: health they use it to cover to make themselves feel.
Speaker 3: Better or justified in that right, and.
Speaker 1: It's just not relevant. But that's all. That's such a
Speaker 1: complicated topic. But I feel like this is just a
Speaker 1: very simple example of that happening with Nikokato, and it
Speaker 1: goes back to other muck bogers in general. If you
Speaker 1: look at the comment section of an overweight, chubby, fat, whatever,
Speaker 1: non thin muck bog person, the comments are so different
Speaker 1: from a thin person eating these.
Speaker 2: It's probably about like how yeah, it's probably like, oh
Speaker 2: the food looks so good, I love you, I love
Speaker 2: your outfit.
Speaker 1: Where did you go? Friend? I wish I could eat
Speaker 1: that much without gaining a pound. And then yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the fat person eats the same thing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you disgusting, gross obese person, go on a diet, go
Speaker 1: on a run. Yeah, the energy is so different. And
Speaker 1: that's what's happening with Nikokato and Avocado, And I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't know if people are understanding it or if
Speaker 1: they care to understand it.
Speaker 2: But like I think with Nikkada, there's also that added
Speaker 2: layer that, like you said, people don't know there's a
Speaker 2: lot of newer people that don't know about the drama
Speaker 2: that he's been entrenched in in the past, like so
Speaker 2: to him, so to a lot of newer people or
Speaker 2: subscribers who don't know about that, they do see it
Speaker 2: as uh, an obese guy going on a fitness journey
Speaker 2: and being successful, right, which is But like what's crazy
Speaker 2: to me is even if you thought that, even if
Speaker 2: you only knew him from the last six months, his
Speaker 2: six months of videos were unhinged, regardless of his weight,
Speaker 2: regardless of what he was eating or how much his personality,
Speaker 2: the way he behaved was manic and like crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of people knew that as a
Speaker 1: persona and a character and an act that he's putting up.
Speaker 1: And what I also find very interesting is he so
Speaker 1: when He's not in that persona of like this crazy, manic,
Speaker 1: like outrageous, boisterous person. He is calm, quiet and just
Speaker 1: speaks like a normal person. They all think that's the
Speaker 1: real Nick. Oh my god, we have the real Nick.
Speaker 1: In his reveal video. He's two hundred and fifty pounds
Speaker 1: skinnier and he's speaking in a very calm manner. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we finally have the real Nick back. And
Speaker 1: it's so funny because we do not know who the
Speaker 1: real Nick is. Nobody knows who the real Nick is,
Speaker 1: well other than that too.
Speaker 2: Like it's weird because his calmness also feels a little
Speaker 2: bit crazy to me, Like his calmness is an act,
Speaker 2: because who actually talks like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's also another persona of his.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's his. They Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's weird because like when I watched clips of
Speaker 2: his video where he was just.
Speaker 3: Like I'm back. It was all a dream, I'm happy,
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, no.
Speaker 1: You sound like a crazy person.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's it sounded like there was no personality,
Speaker 2: like his eyes were glazed over.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is not who you are. No
Speaker 3: one speaks like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like he's a scary person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did not like him when he was fat,
Speaker 2: and I do not like him now that he's like
Speaker 2: that he's skinny because.
Speaker 3: His weight didn't matter. He is a terrible person at
Speaker 3: his core. So no matter what his weight is, no
Speaker 3: matter what he wears, I will not like him.
Speaker 1: Do you think because people are talking people who know
Speaker 1: about the Stephanie Sue drama, do you think him wearing
Speaker 1: the giant pandom mask was kind of like a dig
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe that as well.
Speaker 2: I think everything he does is calculated. I think there
Speaker 2: is a subliminal message for everything, because he gets.
Speaker 3: Off on thinking that.
Speaker 2: He's like so much smarter than everybody and like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do all of this to be subversive
Speaker 2: and you know edgy and like no, not a lot
Speaker 2: of people are gonna get it, And I don't know,
Speaker 2: he like gets off on being that kind of person.
Speaker 2: So I absolutely think it is subliminal. I think he
Speaker 2: knew that people were going to talk about it and
Speaker 2: have theories and that it would continue to create buzz
Speaker 2: and keep him relevant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps that's what I'm people think. I also think
Speaker 1: he kind of like is weirdly obsessed with her because
Speaker 1: she is the one person who really took him down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like took him down at boundaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she got lawyers involved and she just shut
Speaker 1: everything down. I remember when she's like release the footage,
Speaker 1: and he just never did. He never addressed it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: she was one that person who really took him down.
Speaker 1: And I think it still bothers him.
Speaker 2: You sent me the video by Bose who I really
Speaker 2: liked those videos. But one thing that she brought up
Speaker 2: was the fact that he's clearly jealous of Stephanie's life
Speaker 2: and her success. And because like, let's be honest, if
Speaker 2: why would you be so Like, I don't know, he's
Speaker 2: just super.
Speaker 3: Negative towards her. He kept trying to bring her into.
Speaker 2: Shit when she didn't want to go into it, Like
Speaker 2: he's trying to bring her down. The only like, I
Speaker 2: don't people are gonna remember, some people probably will. But
Speaker 2: one of the things for her was her safety in
Speaker 2: her house.
Speaker 3: And so there's a point.
Speaker 2: Where Stephanie like left to go to the bathroom, and
Speaker 2: when she reviewed footage, she saw Niko Cotta just going
Speaker 2: around taking pictures around her house, around her house, and
Speaker 2: she was like, I don't know what that could be
Speaker 2: other than like, are you taking pictures.
Speaker 3: Of where my security cameras are?
Speaker 2: But Bos was saying no, I think it's because he's jealous,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I one hundred percent agree with her.
Speaker 2: He was probably taking pictures of her nice fancy things
Speaker 2: to send it into a group chat to be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, look at all of like who would
Speaker 2: pay ten thousand.
Speaker 3: Dollars for this stove? This is ridiculous. She doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 1: All she does is you know, a jealous, mean girl,
Speaker 1: Because he would I don't know if you saw those
Speaker 1: compilations where he would talk about Stephanie Sue randomly, and
Speaker 1: this was before they even collapsed, and he would make
Speaker 1: remarks like, oh my god, she's so rich. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: have you guys seen her house. Oh my god, she
Speaker 1: lives in such a nice house. How does she make
Speaker 1: so much money? Yeah, And he would make those remarks,
Speaker 1: and he made the same exact remarks in his collab
Speaker 1: and in his videos and videos after he met up
Speaker 1: with her, just like little digs that come off as compliments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like what is that called backhanded compliments? Backhanded compliments?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And you it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: I feel like I notice it because I've been subject
Speaker 2: to a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people like Nico who are who do better.
Speaker 2: So you can right away, yeah, because I'm like, there
Speaker 2: was no reason to say that it didn't contribute anything
Speaker 2: to the conversation other than to hurt the person you're
Speaker 2: talking to.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Stephanie felt it in her body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every single time he made a snide comment, and every
Speaker 1: single time she felt like something was off, her body
Speaker 1: was telling her. And oh my god, Bose's video is
Speaker 1: so good. I highly recommend everyone watching it. I will
Speaker 1: link her part one in part two below. You gotta
Speaker 1: watch her videos. She is on point with everything, Like
Speaker 1: I literally agree with every single point she makes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I just and I believe Stephanie so
Speaker 2: much more because I've also followed her throughout her career
Speaker 2: as well. But she made a video, she made a
Speaker 2: photo follow up video, and then she said, I'm done
Speaker 2: talking about this. If you want to go further, the
Speaker 2: only place we need to go now is you give
Speaker 2: me permission.
Speaker 3: To release the footage.
Speaker 2: And if you don't do that, there's no reason to
Speaker 2: keep talking about this because nothing productive is happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, by the way, she's those of you who
Speaker 1: don't know who don't know about the Stephanie s U drama. Basically,
Speaker 1: she had security cameras in her house when they did
Speaker 1: a collab and he went over to her house, and
Speaker 1: so she has security footage of him taking pictures of
Speaker 1: everything in her house. And California is a two party
Speaker 1: consent state, so she cannot publicly release the footage without
Speaker 1: his permission, and he never gave her consent to do so, so.
Speaker 3: She and she told him in her video.
Speaker 2: She was like, this is me publicly telling you you
Speaker 2: have footage that I don't have access to give you
Speaker 2: permission to release all that uncut.
Speaker 1: Yes, because they did a bunch of collab videos and
Speaker 1: he has the unedited full version, and he she wholeheartedly
Speaker 1: believed that if the audience watched the uncut version and
Speaker 1: saw every single thing that Niko Kado said to Stephanie,
Speaker 1: that the audience could make up their own minds. And
Speaker 1: he never released that footage. Never.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he needs to manipulate footage to manipulate the storyline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he knows he's wrong. He knows he is
Speaker 1: a manipulator.
Speaker 2: It's like you can just Oh, it's just so frustrating
Speaker 2: because he is.
Speaker 3: A he's a terrible person. He is proven, he's a
Speaker 3: terrible person.
Speaker 2: And even here's the thing, even if you say I'm
Speaker 2: actually a good person and I play a terrible character.
Speaker 2: When you play a terrible character in a movie, it's
Speaker 2: isolated to that movie, right, But Nico was this character
Speaker 2: in his life to real people, to you know, and
Speaker 2: so the trauma that he called Stephanie is real. She
Speaker 2: had to go through it, she had to work through it.
Speaker 2: And so when you're a good person playing a bad character,
Speaker 2: but those bad things that you do as that character
Speaker 2: have real life impact, you are no longer a good
Speaker 2: guy playing a bad guy. You are just a bad guy.
Speaker 2: That's what I think, Which is why for me when
Speaker 2: he's like it's really difficult for me to believe that
Speaker 2: someone who has for the past.
Speaker 3: Eight years.
Speaker 2: Harmed people, harmed himself for the sake of being clickbaity.
Speaker 3: To be relevant.
Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe that, you know,
Speaker 2: they can stay in that same environment and be better.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it didn't involve other people, Like I
Speaker 1: don't really care if he harms himself or does whatever
Speaker 1: he wants to do to get the views and to
Speaker 1: go viral. Yeah, I think he's addicted to that, and
Speaker 1: I mean he knows how to do it clearly. I'm
Speaker 1: watching this video right now. It's number one on trending
Speaker 1: on YouTube. It has twenty five million views. And he
Speaker 1: posted this. He posted this yesterday, right.
Speaker 3: I think he said Friday. Right, that's what the article said.
Speaker 1: But I swear I found this out yesterday. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, but anyway, I found
Speaker 3: this out yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found this out yesterday, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's just say twenty four hours, he got twenty five
Speaker 1: million views, And I think he's loving the attention.
Speaker 3: And I mean, good for him.
Speaker 1: Like the weight loss, if that was his goal, great
Speaker 1: for him. Going viral, if that was his goal, great
Speaker 1: for him. But for me, it's just like everybody's reaction
Speaker 1: and how they're reacting to it is so interesting. And
Speaker 1: I hope like a bigger YouTuber and a bigger creator
Speaker 1: will point this out, like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Someone who's like a little bit who's better at putting
Speaker 2: their thoughts together in a comprehensive way, yeah.
Speaker 1: And who have a larger audience and who have done
Speaker 1: documentaries on Nikokado, Like, look at how the audience is
Speaker 1: reacting to this.
Speaker 3: I would love to watch what d'angela Wallace has to say.
Speaker 1: How to know if he would talk about him.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't because it's not in his like sphere of content,
Speaker 2: But like, I just love his assessments of things, his
Speaker 2: thought process.
Speaker 3: The way that he delivers the news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish, I wish, but yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: they a lot of them do celebrity stuff, TikTok.
Speaker 3: Drama stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if this would do it, but
Speaker 2: it would be great because it is an interesting topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think people are focusing on that
Speaker 1: right now. I think it's just more prevalent to me
Speaker 1: because I am an obese person. I am a big person,
Speaker 1: and I've dealt with fat phobia, and I noticed all
Speaker 1: of these faphobic things. So I'm sure if you've never
Speaker 1: dealt with that, you just it just doesn't really stand
Speaker 1: out to you. But the YouTuber videos that I have
Speaker 1: seen are all like praising Nick. They're so amazed, they're
Speaker 1: so bamboozled, they're like, oh my god, credit to Niko Kado.
Speaker 1: He fooled us. All this is I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Did I don't understand what did he fool like he
Speaker 2: I don't understand what the fooling part was.
Speaker 1: I don't know either gone.
Speaker 2: For two years and then pretended like he wasn't gone
Speaker 2: for two years, but he was gone for two years.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So I don't think you should win for that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to figure out what the.
Speaker 1: Everybody says a good transformation first of all, So maybe
Speaker 1: that's what's so shocking, because I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it people who don't follow him closely, who
Speaker 1: don't know his online persona that well, are so shocked
Speaker 1: because he has been consistently posting for the last two
Speaker 1: years where he is four hundred pounds, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he takes like a three month hiatus and bam,
Speaker 1: he's super thin and he lost all the weight and
Speaker 1: he's like a totally different person according to the whole
Speaker 1: entire audience. And so I get why that is so shocking.
Speaker 1: But if people and I know there are people who
Speaker 1: have followed Nikokado closely because I see those comments, they
Speaker 1: are not at all surprised by this transformation. It was
Speaker 1: just a matter of when, because he has said time
Speaker 1: and time again, even when he was a smaller creator,
Speaker 1: before he got uber famous, he always said he was
Speaker 1: going to stop doing muck Bongs when he turned thirty,
Speaker 1: and then he was going to lose all the weight.
Speaker 1: He's said it time and time again. So the people
Speaker 1: who followed muck Bongs and Nikokado closely, like they all
Speaker 1: were expecting this whatever.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, it doesn't really affect me.
Speaker 2: I still hold on to my opinion of his character
Speaker 2: until I am shown otherwise.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he Oh. Another thing people are talking
Speaker 1: about is people are confused about the whole Stephanie Sue
Speaker 1: Panda hat thing, and he's talking about how he made
Speaker 1: himself the villain, and people are like, oh, so was
Speaker 1: that whole Stephanie Sue drama fake? Like no, were they
Speaker 1: in on it together? And my ye, her answer is no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: never ever, ever, Stephanie would never do that.
Speaker 2: That is insane to think that that is insane to
Speaker 2: think that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no he was, No, She's not that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I understand I don't know Stephanie Sue personally,
Speaker 2: but you can you can just judge by the content,
Speaker 2: the things that her employees have to say about her,
Speaker 2: the way that she's handled the controversies that she's come
Speaker 2: into play with, you know, like you can just the
Speaker 2: fact that even when this whole drama thing was happening
Speaker 2: with her, she there were moments where she was like,
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about things, but I wanted that
Speaker 2: person in the room with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like, so I'm not gonna talk.
Speaker 3: About it, and I'm like that shows really stand up character.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Nikokado was trying to push her into doing
Speaker 1: it behind their back so that he can expose this and.
Speaker 2: Use it for content, yeah, or like he could use
Speaker 2: it as like leverage and blackmail to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: if you don't do this, I'm gonna expose you, which
Speaker 2: he already did.
Speaker 1: He was doing that to Stephanie without even knowing much.
Speaker 1: But like you said, every single move of Nikokado's everything
Speaker 1: he says, everything he does, everything he posts, is very calculated.
Speaker 1: There's a purpose that he's always trying to do something,
Speaker 1: So you can't trust anything he says.
Speaker 2: I will not be consuming anything from his channel. The
Speaker 2: other thing, too, is a lot of those things that
Speaker 2: he did trigger a lot of previous traumas for me
Speaker 2: because it just reminds me a lot of other people
Speaker 2: in my life.
Speaker 1: From the past.
Speaker 2: Uh So I don't wanna give him my attention, so
Speaker 2: I will not be doing that. Wish wish him the best. Hope,
Speaker 2: hope he's getting help. I hope he's getting the help
Speaker 2: he needs.
Speaker 1: I'm not excited. Excited is not the right word to use,
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of interested in what he posts next,
Speaker 1: where he goes with his YouTube career now that he's thinner.
Speaker 3: Well, he said that he's going to keep doing mo bus.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is very interesting. And what's going to
Speaker 1: be even more interesting is if he keeps doing these
Speaker 1: fast food junk food huge muk buns and he like
Speaker 1: all his comment section is going to be just the
Speaker 1: complete opposite of what it normally is. That is going
Speaker 1: to be very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we'll get to see what new character he's developed
Speaker 2: for us for the next two years. I guess, Oh,
Speaker 2: maybe he's a painter now, or.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get back into violin. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. You know what's crazy though, he said that he
Speaker 1: hasn't posted an actual video, like a real time video
Speaker 1: in two years. What was he doing in those two
Speaker 1: years he was losing weight or.
Speaker 3: Because maybe he checked into a facility.
Speaker 1: Because he's a very public figure. People, Yeah, he were outside,
Speaker 1: people would have noticed him. They would have taken a picture,
Speaker 1: posted it on TikTok Instagram. I don't know, and he
Speaker 1: has not been seeing Nobody knew that he had lost weight,
Speaker 1: So what the hell? Where was he? The girl?
Speaker 3: Straight up, I think he was. He must have been
Speaker 3: committed into a facility of some sort.
Speaker 2: That well, because if you think about it, when you
Speaker 2: check into like those facilities for whatever, uh, you can't
Speaker 2: have contact with the outside world. You can't have your phone,
Speaker 2: you know, like there's a lot of restrictions. So if
Speaker 2: he was, Yeah, so like one theory could be he
Speaker 2: was recording all this content to output it so that
Speaker 2: because he knew he wouldn't be able to for a
Speaker 2: period of time that he was checked in.
Speaker 1: There was a reason why he only wore black and
Speaker 1: red shirts for continuity, so that people he had a
Speaker 1: bunch of prerecorded videos. He had been planning this for
Speaker 1: so long, it's crazy. So yeah, when I think about
Speaker 1: it like that, it is pretty crazy. He really committed
Speaker 1: to the bit.
Speaker 3: But what's the bit.
Speaker 1: I guess the bit is everybody like him tricking people
Speaker 1: that he was still fat when he was losing weight
Speaker 1: the whole entire time. I guess that's the bit. That's
Speaker 1: the gotcha moment.
Speaker 3: That's so ridiculous. I keep been calling him a hero
Speaker 3: for doing that.
Speaker 1: Not everybody is, but I think everybody's just so shocked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's very shocking.
Speaker 2: And the fact that he lost the weight, even if
Speaker 2: he lost it surgically, like surgery weight loss, it takes
Speaker 2: a lot of work to actually lose weight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who knows what he didn't no matter what.
Speaker 1: No, he didn't say how he lost the weight. Yet
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna share with us, Like
Speaker 1: what think I will?
Speaker 2: I don't think. But what I'm saying is, no matter
Speaker 2: what route he took to lose the weight, it was
Speaker 2: a lot of hartwork. It was a lot of hard work,
Speaker 2: no matter what route you take to weight loss, whether
Speaker 2: it's surgery, exercising, other Like a lot.
Speaker 1: Of shots are accusing him of taking ozambic.
Speaker 3: But what people don't understand is it still takes work. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but people still take dedication.
Speaker 2: So so like you can't take that away from him.
Speaker 3: Like he was very dedicated. He was very determined. It
Speaker 3: takes a.
Speaker 2: Lot of you know, will power and consistency to get
Speaker 2: to accomplish what he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again on that part, like that's what you
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and ye did.
Speaker 2: It, you know how with the whole Stephanie Sue drama.
Speaker 2: Bose mentioned that when he came when he made a
Speaker 2: response video and he was like, I have receipts and
Speaker 2: he would just screenshot like little random messages.
Speaker 1: So pathetic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like there there was no context, There was
Speaker 2: no and there was no relevance to what you like.
Speaker 2: The thing was Stephanie's like, why did you take pictures
Speaker 2: around my house? And he would be like all of
Speaker 2: her stuff is expensive, and she's like, but why did
Speaker 2: you take pictures around my house?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And he'd be like you know this Muchmonger doesn't like you.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, you keep deflecting. You're not answering
Speaker 2: the question. You're just making all these other outrageous claims
Speaker 2: to like make people divert their attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it worked, it works for any more.
Speaker 3: But that's why I'm saying, like.
Speaker 2: Great, he lost the weight. That takes a lot of dedication.
Speaker 2: That is awesome.
Speaker 3: You do you boo, But still you need to.
Speaker 2: Be a better person. That is that is the more
Speaker 2: important thing. And I feel like this is just you
Speaker 2: deflecting and being like, people will like me now that
Speaker 2: I'm skinny, and they'll forget that I was an absolute.
Speaker 3: Monster because it's kind of what's happening.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, just my two cents. Don't forget
Speaker 3: the monsters are monsters, that's.
Speaker 1: All, unless they've really changed. And I guess they can
Speaker 1: change to be continued and we'll see. Yeah, the Kokado
Speaker 1: shows us going forward. But Tricia Padus is trying really
Speaker 1: hard to get him on her podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll go. She's huge.
Speaker 1: Oh they have a history. You don't know. I did
Speaker 1: a long time Oh oh no, no, no, she flaked
Speaker 1: on him, Yeah, a long time ago, and then they
Speaker 1: ended up doing a podcast.
Speaker 3: I remember he was super busy about it and that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like one of the first dramas he
Speaker 2: was in that I was around for.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm surprised. I don't I don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: do it. I feel like he'll just stay alone. In
Speaker 1: his little bubble for now.
Speaker 2: Maybe I think he will do it. That seems like
Speaker 2: an opportunity for someone who is so interested in staying relevant. Hmmm,
Speaker 2: that's so focused on manipulating the algorithm or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to pass that up.
Speaker 1: I wonder what he's going to do next. And look,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an aunt.
Speaker 2: That's not like I mean, the reason why social science
Speaker 2: and psychology and all that stuff exists is because we
Speaker 2: are people. Yeah, that is not something that he discovered today.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but he he just loves it.
Speaker 1: He's he's in his villain era. I guess. Oh maybe no,
Speaker 1: he no, I know, he.
Speaker 3: Was in his villain era. That's what this whole thing was.
Speaker 3: He was in it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and now he's demure, very mindful, very
Speaker 1: considerate dude.
Speaker 2: That got so old three hours after it got big.
Speaker 1: I know, but I just can't I help myself. I'm
Speaker 1: still here.
Speaker 3: I know it, but.
Speaker 2: I've just I've never experienced so you know me, I
Speaker 2: am so behind the times when something and when I
Speaker 2: come to you and I'm like, WHOA, this thing happened,
Speaker 2: and you're like, that happened two weeks ago, it's over now.
Speaker 3: Like I I'm very behind the times.
Speaker 2: This was the first like trend or viral thing that
Speaker 2: I was kind of present for as it was happening
Speaker 2: mm hm.
Speaker 3: Or as it was relevant.
Speaker 2: And I've just never seen a trend get annoying so quickly.
Speaker 1: I wonder why, though, was it because every single person,
Speaker 1: every single brand, every person, Yeah, I was doing it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why.
Speaker 3: I have every single person.
Speaker 2: It was like on talk shows and commercials, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm hearing it too many because before it
Speaker 2: used to just be on TikTok that it was just
Speaker 2: you just scroll and you saw the same people doing
Speaker 2: the same trend. But now it was everywhere outside of
Speaker 2: my phone, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, this is too much mindful to demure, to demure, Yeah,