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All right, let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in

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tad walch of the Desrat News Tat, How the heck

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are you?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Ben, How are you doing great?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: All is well in Cougar Country for me. Man, it's

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a great football season. It's becoming a great basketball season.

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It's the holiday season. I got an attitude of gratitude,

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feeling blessed today.

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Speaker 3: Man, How that are you? How's the fan?

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. It's great where our sons live in Colorado

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and we're going out there for Christmas next week. So

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things are well.

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Speaker 2: Boom shaka laka. I'm glad all is well in your world.

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Well you've been you know, Dad, you cover a number

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of things. You covered news and for the Church of

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Jesus Christ, Lattery Saints. I think you've filed many news

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stories over the years for the on the Olympics, NBA Finals,

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the Vatican. And you also cover a number of stores

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coming out of BYU as it relates to athletics and sports.

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And look I caught up with you at the Kilani

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Stake press conference, and I thought the article you wrote

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was tremendous.

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Speaker 3: Mission over Money.

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Speaker 2: It's entitled the inside story of Why Klonie Satake chose

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b Why you over penn State. What was your thesis

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here and what did you delve into in this particular

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piece hat.

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Speaker 4: Oh great, great, Yeah, that was a really great opportunity

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to talk to Kilani, and uh, the idea was just

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to show uh that while Kilani wanted was looking for

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you know, uh, some some increase in pay, the real

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the real thing he was that he is motivated by

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his boy's mission. And so the story talks about, uh,

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the importance of the school's mission and religious mission to

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him and why he wanted to stay. And my favorite

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quote in the whole story was when he said football's

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cool when the gospel's in it.

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Speaker 3: Love that. Yeah, it's uh.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Shane Rees's comments, you know, via Keith Vokey,

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the VP of Advancement, were quite telling. And I've talked

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about this a lot. I used to call Lavelle Edwards

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the thirteenth Apostle. You know, he spoke at the devotional

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spoke at general conference. He's kind of this extension of

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the church. He's the ambassador of b YU and Klane

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in many ways. Is that too, Shane Reese, I think

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stated that in many ways Colone is the face of BYU,

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and that's an academic institution, a spiritual, moral, ethical institution,

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as well as an athletic institution. And I thought that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was I thought that was an extremely telling

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set of comments from the president. You know, when he

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calls Klannie someone who you couldn't ask for a better

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exemplar of the christ centered values for which BAU stands,

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that is that is really how church leaders see him,

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how university administrators see him, and I think it's how

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people see him also in the football world. You know,

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he's this great ambassador who can be out. You know

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that ESPN loves to show dancing in the end zone

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before games for the fans, and who coaches regularly say

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after games on broadcasts and in press conferences, in radio appearances,

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in media availabilities leading up to games that he's someone

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who's genuine and that they have deep respect for. And

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I think that kind of ambassadorship is is pretty invaluable

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for both the church and the university.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what what is it that you wonder.

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that and what role maybe Killani's playing in those missions

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to create alignment between the university and the church.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great question we have. I remember we've talked about that.

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also to the church. So the church clearly wants people

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believing in Jesus Christ, believing in kindness, in peacemaking, cooperation,

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and Kilane embodies all of those those values and characteristics

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and they and you know by U's mission is to

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mix faith and reason in every thing that is studied.

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study anything without faith in it. And so to mix

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those missions in the classroom would require an athletic program

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that mixes those missions on the field and on the court,

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Catholic quarterback, and the and they say that their faith

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has been enhanced while they've been able to attend classes

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and play for the Cougars. And that's what Kilani says

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is he wants to bring people here who have faith

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and help them build on that faith even more while

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they're here, whatever that faith may be.

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Speaker 2: Tad Waltz des red News here on ESPN the Fan.

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I remember Bronco tried to do something similar, but I

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don't think he got as much much traction, you know,

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and I wonder what changed. I don't know if you

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ever covered Bronco men at all, but he called the

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student athletes the flag bearers of the university, right, they

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were the ones going out and really flag bearing, you know,

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the university and has an extensor to that, maybe the

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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. He started

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firesides where it was centered on discipleship.

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Speaker 3: I spoke at many of them. We're sang armies of Heliman.

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Speaker 2: He got a lot of criticism for from maybe the

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more secular side of the media, and I don't know

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how much traction really got with the board of trustees.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's such an interesting question because I kind

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of raised that with Kilani a little bit and he

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pushed back on me because he feels like Lavelle instigated

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instituted this really faith based culture in the BA football program,

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and Kilani believes it's been unabated since then. Now, Yeah,

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and I find him to be a fascinating character and

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who struggled with the way that he presented the messages.

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Speaker 4: The firesides were incredibly well attended and UH powerful. So

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it was just an interesting character study almost in the

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way that he related to the media and and they

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to him, and that created some of these these interesting narratives.

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Kilane there's something about his uh humility, the way he

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presents himself. I think that seems to make people feel

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at ease. Now, he can be a tough guy, but

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when when needed, as could level, but he he does

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have just this humility and and to have someone like

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Deon Sanders talked about him as as genuine and a

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close friend, to have you know, the similar feelings from

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the Texas Tech coach and and others Joey McGuire and

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post game, Yeah, it's really fascinating because he has that

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same kind of level of respect across the coaching community

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that Lavell had, uh, you know, from from fairly early

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in his career, at least by the time the National

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positions in the Coaches Association and just well loved. And

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I think Kilani's clearly in that same space today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would totally agree with him.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's something that I've talked about

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on the show before, and I don't know if we've

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ever discussed it, but I think one thing that Lavelle

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changed within the program that had temporal and spiritual benefits

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Speaker 3: Two when he took over.

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student athletes to not go on missions and to just

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and look look at the temporal and spiritual blessings that

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Speaker 3: All I'm saying is it came to.

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Speaker 2: Pass, baby, and it came to pass just a lot

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of greatness. And I don't know the Gary croten era

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Kilate as he just articulates the message of discipleships, he

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does it in such a way that it connects with

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us emotionally, mentally, spiritually in a different way than others

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have tried to do it. When he talks discipleship and

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in in a way and talks about the Church's Christ,

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the Lattery Saints, and he bears testimony of the impact

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of athletics uh on, Like you know, the university and

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the surrounding people that come in contact with it. There's

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so many positive fruits that come from and he just

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Speaker 3: He's just unique in that way.

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Speaker 4: He really is. He just has this incredible personality that

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is so genuine about family. You know, when he has

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I mean, you just can't get away from how important

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things like that. He's so so real about his faith.

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the spring was a remarkable moment. And through this process

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of whether he would stay or go, you know, having

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thought he would stay because the message, the messages that

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to that devotional now and beyond his love for this

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university and that combination of faith in football here in

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to be in terms of feeling uh loved and appreciated

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and appropriately paid, not at the top of the scale,

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this is where he's gonna be. He just you know,

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about how his dad would drive them up to the

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stadium when he was a little boy and they didn't

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Speaker 3: He no, he is, He's very remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Tad Walsh uh des Red News here on ESPN The Fan.

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Speaker 3: Martin, Right, LJ.

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Speaker 2: Martin blasting his way towards the top of the list

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of BYU workhorse legends. Were you able to sit down

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with LJ. What makes him so unique and singular on

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and off the football field?

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Speaker 4: Would you say, Okay, so this is a great Yeah,

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this is a great little story. So I was set

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up to talk to LJ the night of the announcement

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that Klannie was staying, and the media availability was canceled

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that night because of the press conference for Kilanie, and

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you know, they had Chase Roberts speak at that and

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Tanner Wall. But I didn't get to talk to LJ

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for that story. But in that so I asked, you

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want to know, I asked for some help to find

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a former running back, and Curtis Brown was willing to

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talk to me about what it's like to be a

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running back at this level. And it was really interesting

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to me because he brought this perspective that the Big

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twelve is a much more bruising experience than the Mountain

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West Conference was for him as a running back. And

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Curtis was one of the workhorses back in the day

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when he was playing, and he says he talked about

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getting beat up, but he said, I'm just amazed by

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what Lj's doing because he says, first of all, LJ

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is much bigger and stronger and you know, a higher

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level recruit and better athlete than I was. But he

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but he's also taking a bigger beating because of the

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level of competition be what he plays now week in

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and week out. And that was really interesting to listen to.

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was what it's like to get pushed around in those

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piles because again, those big bodies, that wasn't a thing

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that was done as much when Curtis Brown was playing, right,

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and now to have you know, nine hundred twelve hundred

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and fifteen hundred pound of the people pushing you and

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falling on top of you at the end of plays,

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that's got to take take a toll as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about. LJ is a unique player, man.

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Speaker 2: He's a big, big, extremely like just fleet of foot

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and just great body control, running back, runs behind his

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pads and has great vision and he's a great he's

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a great human off the field too, like we caught

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up with him yesterday on our show and just a

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great human, just raised well and his story to BYU

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was very unique. So Tad what else you got cooking

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for us at the Desertight News. What are you going

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to be working on? What are you going to be

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publishing here shortly in the days to come. I know

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you're going to be taking some vak, which is well deserved.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great question. So I have also done a little

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bit of basketball. I wrote a big profile of AJ

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debantsa a couple of weeks ago, went out and covered

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the game in Boston and went back to the the academy,

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the school that he went to kind of junior high

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early high school year, and that really helped me tell

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a story that's kind of focused through his parents a

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little bit, Ace and Chelsea. So that's something that I

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hope people will still want to go back and read.

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And in the coming days, I've got a story coming

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about what I'm going to call the AJ Effect, and

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that is how how immediately after he committed to BYU,

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Chris Burgess and you know the rest of the staff

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there in the basketball program in the athletic department started

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talking with ESPN and others about the schedule that they

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would play this year and how you know, AJ affected

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that schedule and allowed So you know, to me, there's

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two two premises. One is AJ allowed b Yu to

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schedule bigger competition, better competition, and two, b Yu had

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an obligation to AJ to do that when he decided

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to come here. And so those are the things I'm

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going to explore.

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Speaker 3: And that's love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate these profiles. And look, I have debates

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sometimes with individuals about whether or not byo Athletics is

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an ambassadorial tool for good to introduce people to the

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fruits of the faith.

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Speaker 3: What would you be your conclusion on that?

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Speaker 2: Right when you're interacting with these not LDS players, but

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then also as they go out and represent and bring

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them you on university, what would you be your conclusion

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or conversation about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an interesting question. So yeah, I did recently

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publish a story too about BYU's ice cream diplomacy where

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they hand out the ice creams to the opposing fans

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at the end of the first quarter of football games,

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and how that is literally one in the same program

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as the food drive tailgate parties that they do at

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away games and the way they try and tie into

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some of the good that's being done in those areas.

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And to me, that's a way that helps create an

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even more clear message about what it is that that

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BA football players are supposed to represent and to become

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while they're at school and playing for the university, but

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also then in the community in the future. And that

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was one reason why it was fun to talk to

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Curtis Brown, because here's a guy who's living in Fresno,

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California and coaching sixth grade kids in football and working

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in the pharmaceutical sales industry and is a good representative

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of the things that BYU values and wants to feed

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the world with. And so I think all of those

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things do combine to help provide ways for the church

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to show what its mission is, display it in real

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lives and in real impacts, and I think it I

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think people are seeing that, especially as Boy's profile is

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raised in the Big twelve and in these big seasons,

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that football and basketball are.

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Speaker 2: Having tad best way to support you What you do,

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how you do it?

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Speaker 4: For all of our listeners, Yeah, come to desert at

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dot com, download the app, sign up for my weekly

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newsletter about called Church Beat, about the Church of Jesus

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Christ and the Latter day Saints and what's happened that week.

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I always have an interesting, hopefully take on something that's

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been going on in the news around the church. And

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I would love to see you in all those avenues.

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Speaker 3: Love it, Tad. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Love talking with you about these topics, from sports to

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spirituality and the mission of the church. I love that

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I can chat with you about this not all I

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like to discuss those things with me.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that you do.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I sure do.

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Speaker 1: Ben.

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Speaker 4: I look forward to seeing you again and talking with

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you again.

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Speaker 5: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: You have happy holidays, Mary Christ missus Joytim with your

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family out there in Colorado. We'll chat with you against soon.

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gonna get to know what's going on up on the

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hill the Uh, the University of Utah has executed one

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of a kind, first of its guide private equity deal.

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We'll see if it passes, see if everything's kosher, et cetera.

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But it's pretty monumental.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The first domino of private equity has fallen, and it's

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right here in the state of Utah. We're gonna get

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Speaker 3: Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in my.

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Speaker 2: Good friend, Josh FURLONGKSL dot com, University of Utah insider, Josh.

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Speaker 3: How you living do it well?

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Speaker 6: How are you ben doing?

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Speaker 3: Awesome?

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Speaker 2: Man? How crazy has the last well seventy two hours

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been for you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been it's been wild. I mean, this is

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one of those things where you know, as a sports

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reporter you're not really well versed in like private equity

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or anything like that, and so it's like it's a

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learning curve and everything that way. But I think, you know,

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you pick up things along the way and you try

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to make most of it, but it's it's crazy. I mean,

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I think this is the new evolution of the NCAA,

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and we're going to see a lot of this, right, Like,

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we're going to see a lot of differences this way,

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and we're going to be much more well versed in

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business side of things instead of just what's happening on

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the field or on the court. So it's it's interesting though, No.

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Speaker 3: Lo, what have you learned through this process? Right?

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Speaker 2: You're an inquisitive soul. That's why you became a journalist.

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You like to ask questions, You like to learn about

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all manner of things. Obviously sports things are what you

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love the most. But what have you learned in this process?

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With the private equity deal executed this week?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think a lot of people hear

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private equity and they get scared, right and admittedly like, well,

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what that last year when Brett Ormart kind of broached

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the subject of potentially having private equity for the Big twelve.

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I mean, I think you hear that and there's negative

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connotations about how they're just going to come in and

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they're going to gut everything and you know it's not

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going to work out this this deal. You know, I've

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learned that's a little bit different. And then look, I'm

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the last person to understand all the nuances of what

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what private equity is or anything that way. But at

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the same time, I think what they're doing here is

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they're trying to more build you know, investments for high

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end donors people that want to be able to promote

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the university, want to be able to be heavily invested,

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and you know, I think you hear a lot of

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a lot of people donors especially who are kind of

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frustrated with the process. Right, you throw in a bunch

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of cash that goes to players and there's no real

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guarantee that it actually goes to them or that they stay,

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and so there's kind of like some burnout with with

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donors in the sense of giving cash. And so I

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think it's it's one of those situations now where you're

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investing in an actual company and using those funds to

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be able to help some of this stuff. So I

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where you can get more support from the donors where

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they're putting in a lot more. You know, I think

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a lot of people also see the five hundred million

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dollar figure that's being thrown out of that's all coming

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from the private equity firm, and in reality, a lot

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of this is coming from donors. They're putting in their investment.

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They want to get that piece of the University of

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Uta athletics department, that kind of stuff, and so it's

478
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,960
just kind of like a group effort, so to speak,

479
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,160
to kind of make it work. So, look, there's still risk.

480
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,079
Any business venture is gonna have risk, and I think

481
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,359
we won't know about that until you know, five seven

482
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,640
years from now. But I think it seems like they're

483
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,000
trying to go about it the right way. It's just

484
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,960
it's hard enough, right, anytime you get an upfront cash,

485
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,359
it's hard to know what that's going to do for

486
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,720
for an entity that that you know, this is a

487
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:25,440
new realm.

488
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: For strategically, who who gets to uh decide where the

489
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:32,480
influx of cash is going to?

490
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: Right?

491
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: Obviously, you have n I L, you have operations, you

492
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,759
have personnel. Is it going to be kind of the

493
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:44,079
board that sits over the Utah brand Sports.

494
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: In ll the LLC?

495
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: Is it going to be that board of trustees which

496
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,519
is made up of the donors and made up of

497
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,920
some administrator a d obviously, Mark Harlan, do we know

498
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,880
what the board of trustees for the brand is going

499
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,359
to look like?

500
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it'll definitely be made up of a

501
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,640
compilation of that. They have, you know, people that will

502
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,720
be a part of the athletics department, you know, the

503
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:07,359
actual brands and entertainment company. You'll have four donors I

504
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,359
believe it was, and then I think it's two or

505
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,240
one and one of of some capacity of outro capital,

506
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,039
and so there's there's going to be a wide makeup

507
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:17,359
of it. But at the end of the day, the

508
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,039
university owns the controlling interests. They're the majority shareholder, and

509
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,519
so they're going to have the decision making abilities there.

510
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,240
Now with that, you know, they'd be stupid not to

511
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:27,960
listen to some of the expertise that a lot of

512
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,400
these sports that you know, the Ultra Capital has because

513
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,839
they have been in this in this realm. They you know,

514
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,440
they've managed the Dallas Cowboys, they've managed the Cleveland Browns,

515
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,480
they've managed some F one stuff, So they have understanding

516
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,440
of like what it takes to be able to whether

517
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,799
it be facility upgrades or sponsorship ideas on what to

518
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,240
do for athletes. You know, all of those things are

519
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,400
going to be taken into account. But at the end

520
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960
of the day, the university itself has controlling interests, and

521
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,880
so I don't know how that's necessarily going to be

522
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200
manifest through the board. I don't know if it's you know,

523
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,480
the four people or the what ever gets a majority share.

524
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,880
I would assume just simply because there's one member of

525
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:06,759
Ultra Capital on there, and there's eight other members of

526
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,079
the board that are donors in the university. But there's

527
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,039
just a simple majority that way. But I think there's

528
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,640
there's enough installation or mitigation that they feel like they

529
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,680
can they can still have the controlling interest while still

530
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,319
listening to kind of what these guys want to do

531
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,440
to help the brand.

532
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,599
Speaker 2: Josh forlong KSL dot com uti Utes Insider here on

533
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,039
your Utah ESPN radio network.

534
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: Josh is this.

535
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,039
Speaker 2: I was chatting with someone yesterday that is well familiar

536
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,359
with private equity said, look like one of the reasons

537
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:41,480
why they're doing this is because the state legislator has

538
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:47,279
like has legislature has cut funds to the state run

539
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:52,839
institutions and and and that may impact athletics and athletic departments.

540
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: Uh have you seen that? Have you heard that?

541
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,559
Speaker 2: Why why they're going down this path there at the

542
00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,799
University of Utah.

543
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's a compilation of things, right,

544
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Whether it's one solitary thing, I don't think that's the case.

545
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,839
I think there's just a combination of factors here where one,

546
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,799
you know, the University of Utah suddenly has to throw

547
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,359
out twenty million dollars in cash for revenue share. You know,

548
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,079
that's money that you're not necessarily accounting for in the past.

549
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:18,680
You can't just suddenly make up twenty million dollars in

550
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,839
the budget without cutting certain things or different things that way.

551
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,920
So there's there's that component where you're trying to just

552
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,400
survive and make it work. And so you've got that,

553
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,799
but then it's also just trying to position Utah as

554
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,000
an institution for whatever the next realm of whether it

555
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:37,359
be realignment or you know, consolidation.

556
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: That is right.

557
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people will look at this

558
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:41,680
and say, oh, it's the big ten. They're trying to

559
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480
go for the big ten. Maybe maybe, but I think

560
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,799
it's really just kind of trying to position themselves in

561
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:50,440
a way where if they don't answer the call right now,

562
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,079
they face the risk of just not being able to

563
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,559
have the funds to be able to operate. Do you

564
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,240
then have to cut you know, softball, do you have

565
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:00,880
to cut volleyball? Do you have to cut certain that

566
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,160
try to stay afloat? And that's just not really something

567
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,720
that the university wants to do. So it's this is

568
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:10,559
kind of a bigger hitcher, so to speak, in terms

569
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:14,880
of kind of trying to maximize their potential while still

570
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,279
preparing for what that next round could be going to.

571
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:20,000
There's still no guarantee, right, Like, there's no guarantee that

572
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,880
Utah will be caught up in you know, a Super

573
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400
League or or whatever that may be. It's it's more

574
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,839
just kind of preparing for the institution right now, giving

575
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,160
them the money they need to operate, and then being

576
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,599
able to have capital in the future should they need it.

577
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crazy time in the college football world.

578
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:42,200
The landscape is ever changing, and I think it's phenomenal

579
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:48,079
that Utah is being so aggressive in this venture. A

580
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,359
lot of people like you know that have reached out

581
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,839
to me say, hey, well, how does this work. You

582
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,160
have a for profit entity that's taking the brand of

583
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,119
the University of Utah. You have you know, state funds

584
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,160
and taxis and student fees that kind of booy up

585
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,440
the athletic department typically along with their TV revenues and

586
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,480
other things. Like I don't see all the funnels that

587
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,279
go into a traditional athletic department, but I can't. I

588
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,160
don't know what the last fiscal you know, twenty twenty three,

589
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,119
what the revenue generated was within the Utah Athletic Department,

590
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,440
but I imagine it was anywhere from.

591
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,039
Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty to hundred and fifty million.

592
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: Do you know that number, by the by chance, the

593
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,799
last number that you got for revenue generation for the

594
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,559
US Department of Education at the University of Utah.

595
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:33,519
Speaker 6: I have a spreadsheet with it all. I mean, if

596
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,599
I remember right before they had their Comcast issue last year,

597
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,279
the last year where they kind of got it all together,

598
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,680
it was somewhere I'm going to be totally way off,

599
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,640
but yeah, it's it's definitely over one hundred million and

600
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,640
trying to be. But that's you know, taking into account

601
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,119
everything without taking the expenditures and everything in that way.

602
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,480
So it's it's up there, but then you have to

603
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,599
take in everything else, and you know, you're operating Before

604
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,680
this Comcast piasco, they were operating it anywhere between two

605
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,079
to four million to surplus. So it's it's different, right,

606
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:04,920
I mean, it's it's hard to know exactly what that's

607
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,119
going to be. But then you know, we haven't even

608
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,000
seen the twenty million figure come into that knowing that

609
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,839
that's going to essentially be a huge deficit for the program.

610
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,279
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, no doubt about it.

611
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's intriguing from a Title nine standpoint, right.

612
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,400
So it's like, if this is a for profit entity,

613
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,960
you know, how how are scholarships allocated?

614
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: And how is I guess you.

615
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: Know, how does that impact He's typically football subsidizes all

616
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,160
the other Olympic sports, right, so any revenue generated within

617
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,079
football and basketball, maybe the profit generating or the profit

618
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,079
retaining entities, you know, they subsidize the other Olympic sports.

619
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:46,119
Speaker 3: How is that gonna work out?

620
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, there shouldn't. There shouldn't be any change per se,

621
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,519
because they still have to have the you know, the

622
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,720
the regulations of the NCAA. If they try to change anything,

623
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,759
then they can't even be a member of the NCAAA.

624
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,000
So they've gone through a lot of these different things

625
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,440
to make sure that they're compliant, that they're withholding that

626
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,240
you know, there's you know, at least based on the

627
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000
way that they present it to the presented it excuse me,

628
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,880
to the board, there was no desire to at Olympic sports.

629
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,200
There's no desire to cut women sports. If anything, they

630
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,119
felt like just can bolster that more and give them

631
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,519
more support in that. So it's you know, they still

632
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,079
have to be compliant at all that they still have

633
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,960
to fill out that NCAA regulation form where you account

634
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,440
for all your funds and different things that way, and

635
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,279
so from my understanding, there shouldn't be any change with that.

636
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,079
But I'm sure they could divvy up a little bit

637
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:34,799
more money to certain areas. You know, there's always going

638
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,319
to be that Title nine component as part of this,

639
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,880
but I don't think the Title nine requirement requires that that.

640
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,920
You know, volleyball needs to get the exact same payment

641
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920
that a football player does, right, So I think there's

642
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,640
there's that element of it. I think it's more just

643
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,519
giving the same access and an ability which won't change

644
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:55,079
just because they've got a for profit company.

645
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew Peterson here, I just have a question for

646
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,880
you concerning the basketball team, how this might affect them.

647
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,880
I've always thought that Utah utah falling off in basketball

648
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,840
has always felt a little bit weird to me. Do

649
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,039
you think this deal helps Utah be able to invest

650
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,960
in basketball, get competitive in the Big twelve, and get

651
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,400
back to where they used to be as a really

652
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,639
good basketball program.

653
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that has to be right.

654
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,639
Like if you go sit here and you sign, let's

655
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,880
just assume it's five hundred million, let's you know, if

656
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,440
you get that and you're not seeing a noticeable increase

657
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,599
in kind of being able to attract good talent, what's

658
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,639
the point. I mean, obviously there's a bigger point to that. Like,

659
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,039
I think we can all understand that. But I think

660
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,480
if you're not going out there and trying to attract

661
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:43,199
the top talent and trying to bring in guys that

662
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,800
are going to help your program, it feels like a waste.

663
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,599
Now there's most more components that go into it than

664
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,199
just the people on the court. I mean, I think

665
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,239
anybody that's gone to the University of Utah basketball games

666
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,039
realizes it's a still environment. Like there's just not engaging

667
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,840
and entertaining situation there. I mean, back in kind of

668
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,559
the good days of Larry Kristovac, you know, they had

669
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,440
floor court projections, they had you know a lot of entertainment,

670
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,440
things were moving and just as a fun environment, whereas

671
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:14,679
now it's just kind of a Stelle product. And that's

672
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,559
on the court as well as the entertainment, and so

673
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,800
I think it's it's trying to upgrade a lot of

674
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,000
those types of things as well, where you're now bringing

675
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,039
in a partner that understands how to bring entertainment to people.

676
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:27,760
And if you can get that, I think then that

677
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,000
starts attracting people, right. I mean, I think bi used

678
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,880
done a phenomenal job of that of being able to

679
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,039
attract people because of a great product, but also because

680
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:36,159
it's just a it's a show.

681
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: Right.

682
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 6: If you're a kid like my kids love to go

683
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,280
to basketball games, if they go to that, they're going

684
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,119
to be excited beyond just what they get from what

685
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,000
they see on the court. And so I think it

686
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,480
kind of goes hand in hand in this situation. You've

687
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,920
got to be able to increase the entertainment value as

688
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,639
a product, but then you've got to do that in

689
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,079
the in house stuff as well. So you know this,

690
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,840
you know, if they don't do any of that, then yeah,

691
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,559
this is an major failure on that regard, and you'd

692
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,599
have to wonder if Utah is ever really going to

693
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,159
take basketball seriously at that point.

694
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: Josh Furlong KSL dot com here on ESPN, the Fan,

695
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Utah Youtue Inside or writing for KSL dot com. Uh,

696
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,440
you know, piggybacking off the basketball conversation one of the

697
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,519
biggest issues. I mean, my wife's a ute. I've gone

698
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:21,559
to many games at the Huntsman Center. It's a really

699
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,000
tough parking situation. It's hard to get people there to

700
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:24,519
the games.

701
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:25,119
Speaker 3: Obviously.

702
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: When do you think some sort of renovation, some sort

703
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,440
of move could happen for the arena and a change

704
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,719
on the venue or access to the venue, anything that

705
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,760
could be executed on that front, and how soon?

706
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I had some conversations with somebody the

707
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,559
other day on that and they said there's still really

708
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,639
you know, maybe they don't know the full plans, but

709
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:52,480
they said there's still really no clear direction on when

710
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,880
they're going to break around, right. I think, you know,

711
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,199
for some people, they're still trying to determine a spot.

712
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,559
I believe the university already has a spot picked out,

713
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,719
but whether that happens sooner than later remains to be seen.

714
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,079
I mean, I know the university is undertaking a lot

715
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:10,840
of different changes to try to make sure a lot

716
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,440
of that stuff works. They want to create kind of

717
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,599
like an entertainment district where all of the athletics are

718
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:19,000
kind of in the same area. So the belief would

719
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,719
be that the new Huntsman Center, whatever it's called, would

720
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,800
be closer to right Eco Stadium. You could create a

721
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,280
whole bunch of entertainment there and do that. So, you know,

722
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,039
I don't think we're we're going to see anything quick.

723
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:34,960
But at the same time, with this infusion of cash,

724
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,599
maybe that speeds things up a little bit, allows them

725
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,039
to kind of move forward and start breaking ground. But yeah,

726
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,199
I mean like they're still they're still running the same

727
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,079
way with what they've got, and so I think you're

728
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,960
in the middle of trying to manage that will, still

729
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,920
trying to, you know, prepare for the future and make

730
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,039
a better product. But you can only dump so much

731
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,239
cash into a product that's going to be raised in

732
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,639
a few years, you know what I mean. I think

733
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,639
they're still kind of figuring that part out, but I

734
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:05,400
think you'll see probably that move faster along now that

735
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,079
they have the money.

736
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh, is this the way of the future in

737
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,559
your opinion? Knowing what you know, learning what you've learned,

738
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,559
do you feel like you know a majority of athletic

739
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,159
departments around the country are going to go down this path.

740
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think you know, whether this is

741
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,920
the exact path that everybody will go remains to be seen,

742
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,440
But I think you're going to see a lot of this, right.

743
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,679
I think you'll have a lot more people intrigued because

744
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,440
Utah has signed the deal. I think somebody was waiting

745
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,840
to be the first, right, Like, this is not like

746
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,880
Utah was the first to ever consider private equity, but

747
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,320
I think this is going to be the way that

748
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,000
you kind of have to fund college athletics. Right. There's

749
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:51,320
probably better ways to do it, but barring collective bargaining

750
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,119
or barring you know, much more structure to be able

751
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:59,320
to equalize or at least create you know, the structure. Essentially,

752
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,840
you know, you're gonna have to find these outside avenues

753
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,119
to be able to increase revenue and increase funds because

754
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,119
it's just an arms race that's either going to break

755
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,440
or people are just going to continue to find new

756
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,679
ways to be able to bring in money.

757
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: So what are the risks, like, as you've asked questions,

758
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,320
what are the true risks here?

759
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,079
Speaker 3: Uh?

760
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: And what are the what's the potential fallout if there is,

761
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,079
if this is a failed venture, we're not talking about

762
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:31,239
we're talking about bankruptcy of of of an entity that

763
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,239
just reverts back to its old ways within the within

764
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,239
the school, you know what I mean, Like.

765
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: Is there a bailout?

766
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Is it too big to fail type of deal like

767
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,360
the car industry or any other uh, you know, big

768
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:46,639
big business, et cetera that is booed up by taxpayers.

769
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: What's what's the risk here?

770
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,039
Speaker 6: And that's and that's where I'm still really curious kind

771
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,119
of what what that is. Right when they talk about

772
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,199
exit strategy, UTAH says that they own everything and they

773
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,960
have the controlling interest of that. So you know, if

774
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,519
Outra Capital isn't you know, pulling their weight, so to speak,

775
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,400
or things aren't going well, you know they can they

776
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,119
can remove them or whatever that may be. May mean

777
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,360
obviously they're going to have to pay them out, so

778
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:15,280
at the very least you're going to be in debt

779
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,559
to what you owe them, if that has to be

780
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:20,960
an early situation. But I don't know that there's necessarily

781
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,000
I don't want to call it a failure, right because

782
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,039
I think there's obviously failure opportunities. But I think because

783
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,039
you have a donor base that is going to be

784
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,159
buying into this. It's more can it be sustainable?

785
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: Right?

786
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 6: Can this be something where you can continue to move

787
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:38,360
forward with it without just kind of middling along? Like

788
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,440
there has to be some sort of increase in revenue

789
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,800
to be able to make sure this works. And so

790
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,960
if you're just getting a bunch of cash, you're going

791
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,440
to eventually be in debt to that count, you know,

792
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,920
to that you know firm, and can you get donors

793
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,719
to pay that out? Can you get different things that way?

794
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,159
I don't know that there's going to be some buyout, right,

795
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,159
I mean I could be wrong, But at the same time,

796
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,199
I don't know the full capacity of that, you know,

797
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,639
with my limited financial understanding to know what the true

798
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,159
fallout would be in this situation, especially since they are

799
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:08,039
a minority order, especially since you know a majority of

800
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,639
that is coming from from the donors. So your guess

801
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:12,119
is as good as mine, you know. I wish I

802
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,519
was better equipped to answer that question, but I think

803
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,000
they feel like they've mitigated most of those risks with

804
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:20,840
the way they've written it. But yeah, I mean, if

805
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,360
this is a situation where you have to turn to

806
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,079
tax dollars and everything else. Yeah, that's that's a big disaster,

807
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:29,360
and that's a that's a huge risk that now opens

808
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,400
the university up too much further scrutiny.

809
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: What's the overall vibe right now with the football program,

810
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,639
with this deal getting done, going to a bowl.

811
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: Game in Vegas and having a what I want to

812
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,159
say it was.

813
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: A top forty or forty five class in college football

814
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:48,119
in the colleg football recruiting world.

815
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: What's the vibe right now?

816
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think it's positive. I think the

817
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,360
fact that you can bring back your two quarterbacks and

818
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,800
have them paired together, bringing back a core of the players,

819
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,519
or at least that's what we can right now, I

820
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,119
think there's there's a positive vibe that Utah can continue

821
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,800
this trajectory moving forward to the next year. They're recruiting class.

822
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,440
They didn't need to go heavy because they have a

823
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,880
lot of freshmen that contributed this year, or at least

824
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,119
younger players, and so it's really just kind of capitalizing

825
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,079
on what they did this year and trying to move

826
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,199
forward for next year. So, you know, I'm really fascinated

827
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,400
to see if there's any bowl opt outs. I would

828
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,519
assume there's at least one considering Spencer finals of a

829
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:29,840
first round pick potentially, you know, I have to believe

830
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,559
that at least the core of this team will play

831
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:33,800
together and play in Vegas and try to use that

832
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,079
as another jumping off point to next year. But that

833
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,159
remains to be seen. So I think overall the general

834
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,960
vibe is good. We're still waiting to hear on Kyle

835
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Whittingham and his future, so I think that that has

836
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,800
some you know, it kind of limits exactly what the

837
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,360
full vibe can be. But I think there's still positivity

838
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,280
going into next year.

839
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:58,119
Speaker 2: Josh for a long ladies and gentlemen, best way to

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support you, what you do, how you do it, Josh.

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Speaker 6: For all of our listeners, Yeah, you can just go

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to KSL dot com read my stuff there, or do

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00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:09,639
you can come visit my twitter feed Jafer KSL chat

844
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:11,360
with me that way. You know, I have a podcast

845
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,199
all those kinds of things, so any and I'll appreciate it,

846
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but I appreciate being able to come on your show

847
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and be able to talk about these things.

848
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a new wave, man.

849
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,119
Speaker 2: I think it's incredible that Utah was the first to

850
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,880
jump into it. It's something that everyone's been very flirtatious about.

851
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,000
It's kind of taking hold of the new cycle in

852
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:32,599
the off seasons, whether it's conference commissioners or athletic deporms

853
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:36,880
eights discussing it, but UTAH finding a way to be

854
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,639
the first to jump into it. Can't wait to watch

855
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,360
out it all it all turns out. I'm sure we're

856
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,719
going to learn more about it in the days and weeks.

857
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,719
Com Is there any do you think there's any chance

858
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,079
at the state legislature sometime somehow tries to put a

859
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:50,880
kibosh on this.

860
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:54,159
Speaker 6: I mean, I know there was you know, I can't

861
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,599
remember blanket on the legislator's name who kind of not

862
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,800
really upset on X about this. But my understanding is

863
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,559
is that UTAH has worked and with the legislature or

864
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:09,119
at least interested members of the party to be able

865
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,639
to have an understanding of what this is. So like, sure,

866
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:14,760
there's always a chance that the legislature can come in

867
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,760
and kind of usurp their power, but I think they've

868
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,280
had enough conversations going along. They're not doing this blindly, right,

869
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,559
Like you're not going this far along signing private equity,

870
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:25,719
doing all these things without talking to the NCAA, without

871
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,639
talking to the legislature, the governor, those types of things.

872
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:32,639
So you know, I think everything is kosher, Everything is okay.

873
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,639
It's just a matter of kind of finalizing everything.

874
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,679
Speaker 3: Can't wait to see what happens.

875
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Josh. Appreciate your brother great inside. As always, we invite

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everyone to follow you on x and check out your

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Josh.

879
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 6: Thanks, I appreciate.

880
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: It all right.

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Speaker 2: So the Pop Tarts Bowl Director of Marketing and Communication

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Speaker 2: Pop Tarts Bowl Director of Marketing and Communication, Sam Gardner

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discussing what happened, why it happened Notre Dame declining to

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949
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Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

950
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Speaker 7: We can only pick from the teams that are available

951
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,400
to us. So once we were given that the teams,

952
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,400
you know that there's there's only so much we can do.

953
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,199
And then we took the team that we wanted out

954
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,199
of that pool. You know, Notre Dame obviously had a

955
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:11,519
great season, and then you know they made a decision

956
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,119
regarding their postseason that affected not just the Pop Tarts

957
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:16,719
Bowl but every other bowl. And you know it's hard

958
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,480
to fault them for that. You know, it's an emotional

959
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:20,800
moment and you know they they did what was best

960
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,119
for their program. And then you know, that's kind of

961
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:25,159
that We're really excited about the magic we've got.

962
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: Didn't want to go too far into it, but that

963
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,840
was his thoughts there. Look, Notre Dame has every right

964
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,679
to just say, peace, we out, we ain't got to

965
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:35,480
play bowl games.

966
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: What Notre Dame has done?

967
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: Okay, they have decided that they didn't want They don't

968
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:43,599
want anyone piggybacking off their brand and making money off

969
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of them.

970
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 3: That's why, to a certain degree that they're independent right now.

971
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: They have their ACC deal with six games, and they

972
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,039
have their Olympic sports there as well. They're ticked off

973
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,840
at the ACC, they're ticked off at the College Footballlayoff Committee,

974
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,280
they're kicked off at ESPN, and they want to make

975
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,679
everybody pay right now. Well, this be a repercussion because

976
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,480
the college football world is doesn't like the fact that

977
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,440
Notre Dame wields so much power and they're pushing them.

978
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,360
One of the reasons why I believe that Notre Dame

979
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,440
was pushed out of the CFP is because yes, their

980
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,320
strength of schedule, Yes, their strength of record, because they

981
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,639
lost two games, all those things, but they want them

982
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,800
in a conference. They can't continue to just operate solo.

983
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,800
They can't continue to do that. Even though guys early

984
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,159
on in this period I mentioned earlier this week, the

985
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,320
reason why Notre Dame went in depending in the first

986
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,639
place is because so much anti Catholicism discrimination.

987
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,559
Speaker 3: That's what it was.

988
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,519
Speaker 2: I brought it up when JFK was nominated as the

989
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:43,960
President of the United States, like there was a lot

990
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,760
of anti Catholic people out there. No, like, I know,

991
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,360
this is a long time ago. I'm just reading books.

992
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,519
I'm just looking up stuff on the interwebs and finding

993
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,199
all manner of data that supports them. Like it's pretty crazy.

994
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,079
The KKK was live, if they couldn't go out and

995
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,880
discriminate against certain racists, certain people, they'd go to the

996
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,760
Catholics and they discriminate against them in a certain area. Anyway,

997
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,039
that all being said, like, there's a reason why Notre

998
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,480
Dame became a chip on their shoulder fighting Irish. They're fighting. Furthermore,

999
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,039
you know anything about the Irish anyway, anything about the

1000
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:18,119
Irish coming from overseas.

1001
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: Man, they were discriminated against Man. They had, they had

1002
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:20,920
a rough start.

1003
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:22,519
Speaker 2: They had a rough start.

1004
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 7: Man.

1005
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: You think you think like every like everyone needs everyone's

1006
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,519
probably Mormon has been discriminated against. The Irish have been

1007
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:33,239
discriminated against Latinos, after African American. There's been a lot

1008
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,880
of discrimination out there for since the fall of Man. Okay,

1009
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,079
that's all I'm saying. And the Irish had a pretty

1010
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,920
tough too anyway. That all being said, there's a reason

1011
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,840
why the Notre Dame fighting Irish have a chip on

1012
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,000
their shoulder, and why they being independent in the first place,

1013
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,840
and why they are continually in that culture. They've built

1014
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,800
a great brand. They're a good football program. Are they

1015
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,119
an elite football program? Some would say the brand is elite,

1016
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,440
but the football product has not been elite.

1017
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: They've been great, but not elite. I think they're they're great.

1018
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,800
They're a great football program, no doubt about it.

1019
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: So they have every right to decline it I think

1020
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,360
they may be humbled and they may be a bit

1021
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,519
hungry because everyone found out about this deal that Notre

1022
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,360
Dame has with the college football playoff now going forward,

1023
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,840
that if they're in the top twelve, thirteen, fourteen, that

1024
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,280
they're gonna get into the colleg football Playoff no matter

1025
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,480
what as a at large bit. So that's in place now.

1026
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,679
Eighties around the country, if you haven't heard, are now

1027
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,400
potentially freezing scheduling with Notre Dame. So they're gonna say, oh,

1028
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,519
you got the sweetheart deal. Well you ain't playing us.

1029
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,039
Why would we play you. We don't need your money,

1030
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,760
We don't want your money. So Notre Dame is saying,

1031
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,559
you're not going to piggyback off us and make money

1032
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,199
off of us. Well, now others are saying, well, we

1033
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:54,639
don't want your money. Anyways, you can go into a

1034
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,400
relevancy during independence.

1035
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,039
Speaker 3: We'll see how good your strength the schedule is.

1036
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:03,119
Speaker 5: Well, Notre Dame is messing around and finding out. We

1037
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,039
won't say what with that. The word that you know

1038
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,599
really goes in that phrase. They're messing around and finding out.

1039
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,760
The thing that I that stood out to me is

1040
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:14,840
the pop tart, the pop tarts guy.

1041
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: He did.

1042
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 5: He said he didn't want to get too far into it,

1043
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,719
which is probably what Notre Dame's athletic director should have

1044
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,119
done when they declined things when when they got left out.

1045
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,320
But instead he went on all these shows and he

1046
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,239
started complaining. The best thing that you can do when

1047
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,559
you make an emotional decision that backfires in your face

1048
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,440
is put the shovel down. But he he just kept

1049
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,239
digging and and he's fine, and everyone's finding out what

1050
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,400
Notre Dame is all about. Notre Dame didn't play anybody

1051
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,039
this year, and when they did, they lost, and Notre

1052
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:50,159
Dame's got to live with that. But they can't, so

1053
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,400
they're throwing a fit, and now others around the country

1054
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,280
are looking at them, going, why are we playing you in.

1055
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: The first place?

1056
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,119
Speaker 5: Why should we give you any resume at all and

1057
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,880
let you take our money that we could have if

1058
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,280
you don't take our spot in the college football playoff

1059
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,599
because you have a deal with a college football playoff

1060
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,239
committee that we don't like. Why would we give you

1061
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,159
that opportunity?

1062
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 3: Make Notre Dame join a conference.

1063
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:19,639
Speaker 5: I think that's the best move for college football as

1064
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:20,039
a whole.

1065
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: Because you said it.

1066
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:25,159
Speaker 5: Notre Dame's got an elite brand, they've got great football teams.

1067
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 3: Put them in a conference. I would love to see

1068
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:28,679
a Notre Dame on.

1069
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:33,639
Speaker 5: A championship Saturday, for say a Big ten or an

1070
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:35,440
ACC championship.

1071
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: That'd be fun to watch.

1072
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:39,679
Speaker 5: Make them join a conference instead of letting them get

1073
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,960
by on playing the worst schedules in football and then

1074
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,119
slide into the playoff.

1075
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: It's a unique situation. It's a singular one, no doubt

1076
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,039
for Notre Dame. They may be messing around and finding

1077
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,239
out real soon where they're at in this college football landscape.

1078
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