WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.520 Welcome to the nonprofits. 2 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:04.080 In our second segment this week, we take another look 3 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:06.719 at Texas and see how they're just making the world 4 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:10.599 into a horrible, horrible place. Helen Green, I almost don't 5 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.000 want to know, but tell us anyway. What else is 6 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:14.720 happening down in the lone Star state. 7 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:20.640 So massagety really doesn't have any limits. And while lawmickers 8 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:25.039 make laws against people who can get pregnant and manifests 9 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:28.519 in really ugly ways, imagine being a doctor in Texas, 10 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.719 providing reproductive care for years and having to make some 11 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:35.719 pretty big decisions in regards to you keeping your medical 12 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:40.320 license or refusing people care. This causes some desperate women 13 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:44.920 to seek help from random people who aren't qualified aka 14 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.679 back alley abortions. As more and more people find themselves 15 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.039 pregnant and out of options, this manifestation of a broken 16 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:56.079 medical system and sexism that leads to people taking some 17 00:00:56.200 --> 00:01:00.280 pretty big risks and arrest for people for the most part, 18 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.920 have good intentions yet are underqualified to perform such a 19 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.159 risky medical procedure. The anti choice crowd is now seeing 20 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.079 the fruits of what they sewed, and the crop is rotten. 21 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:16.640 This story is from ABC thirteen Houston by ABC Houston 22 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:19.120 on March twenty five. 23 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.879 All Right, all right, thank you, Helen. 24 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:26.159 So we've seen in the article pro choice supporters say 25 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.200 that the unnecessary restrictions of access to safe abortions will 26 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.200 push pregnant individuals to unsafe methods. Could you expand on 27 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.439 what we mean when we say unsafe abortions. 28 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.159 So, for example, the woman for the woman that was 29 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.640 in the article, she was a midwife that got arrested 30 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:51.519 and she used a medication that's typically used to induce abortions. Now, 31 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:56.319 luckily she was a midwife, she did have some obstetratics, 32 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:02.159 obstric obstetrician non knowledge. I can say words, she had 33 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:05.400 a at least that metal book medical background. But you're 34 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:09.479 going to see there see things as we go along. 35 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:13.759 People like I always hate using this this word because 36 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.639 this imagey because it's a mixing cringe. Is those you know, 37 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.360 using a wire hanger to you know, to induce, you know, 38 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.759 to have an abortion. There's sort of medications that you 39 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.520 can take, there's there's a bunch of different things that 40 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:31.360 you can do to end a pregnancy. But the problem 41 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:35.120 is is that if you at some point you may 42 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:39.000 need to go see a medical professional. Now, most in 43 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:44.000 a world where women would have access to go just 44 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:49.080 see colleges and ask for one, you know, and discuss 45 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.319 it with our doctor. We are now facing the fact 46 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.960 that since a lot of a lot of states are 47 00:02:55.080 --> 00:03:01.919 now have abortion either illegal or very very limited, these 48 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.560 women are going to start asking, you know, people that 49 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:11.159 may have some medical knowledge to help them, you know, 50 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.560 but don't have a license to practice, or they have 51 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:18.560 a license practice but been a completely different field, you know, 52 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:21.680 seek out other help to do this under the radar. 53 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.560 And we saw and a lot of women last time 54 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:27.960 we did is everybody. A lot of woman died. So 55 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.840 not the best, guys, it's not the best. I'll go 56 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:32.360 into some. 57 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.560 Stats later, but okay, all right, Well let's jump over 58 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:36.000 to Jimmy. 59 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:40.199 Then Helen was talking about unsafe abortions, how they might happen, 60 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:40.759 et cetera. 61 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:43.319 Now, since Roe v. V. 62 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:45.960 Wade was overturned back in twenty twenty two, it seems 63 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.280 like so long ago has Texas seen any changes in 64 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:51.120 pregnancy related health outcomes. 65 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.319 Well, sure they have seen well more pregnancies, they've seen 66 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:59.599 more pregnancies be carried to term. But they're also seeing 67 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:05.400 pregnancies that have congenital failure come the term as well. 68 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.639 Women are being forced to carry to term their babies 69 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.599 that they end up having to just watch die, you know, 70 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.240 when they know that the child is not going to 71 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:16.360 make it in life, but they have to give birth 72 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.000 to it anyway because the abortion is illegal. There have 73 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.000 been some studies that I want to reference here. So 74 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.639 according to the Gender Equity Policy Institute's study from September 75 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.560 twenty twenty four, pregnancy deaths and infant mortality rates in 76 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.839 Texas have risen fifty six percent. And this of course, 77 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:40.879 of course disproportionately affects poor and minority communities. And we 78 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.519 could liken it back to the conversation that we had 79 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:45.920 on Monday night when we talk about, you know, a 80 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:50.000 lack of access to healthcare, just like there's a lack 81 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:54.920 of access to you know, other forms of administration. You know, 82 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.360 we were talking about driver's licenses and IDs the other night. 83 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.519 You know, people in poor communit these have less likelihood 84 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.079 of obtaining those things, while the same goes for medical care. 85 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.839 And so you know, that is something that's disproportionately affecting 86 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:12.040 African American and Latino folks. A study by John Hopkins 87 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.800 University found that African American infant mortality rates are up 88 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.959 eleven percent higher than the Dobbs decision. And yeah, so 89 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:23.399 this is this is just a different world for a 90 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:25.720 lot of poor people, but for a lot of women 91 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:30.360 in general, these abnormalities, you know, they're not allowed to 92 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.160 take care of them in the pregnancy. They have to 93 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:35.519 take them to term and then and then watch their 94 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.920 child die, which is unfortunate. I have heard of other statistics, 95 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:44.040 not particularly with Texas, but just as a whole women 96 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:48.319 dying either in birth or excuse me, yeah, while giving 97 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:55.120 birth or because of botched at home ad hoc abortion techniques. 98 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.959 That is also a factor to increased death after this 99 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:03.360 and these these studies come from NBC News under Women's 100 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:07.600 Health and then Public Health dot Jhu dot Edu, twenty 101 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:09.560 twenty five, and you can find those studies there. 102 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.600 I just want to highlight one of those stats that 103 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.920 you just brought up. Pregnancy deaths and infant mortality rates 104 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:21.040 in Texas have risen fifty six percent. That is insane. 105 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:26.120 That's insane, and it amazes me that Texans aren't furious 106 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:31.279 about this. It's fifty six percent. That's crazy. That's crazy 107 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.480 and it's really infuriating to see that kind of thing 108 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.720 happen in the modern world and in a modern country, 109 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.560 well in what's supposed to be a modern country. I mean, 110 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.480 we can talk all day about how our health outcomes 111 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.680 across the board are going down when compared to other 112 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:52.600 developed nations just because we have such a shitty healthcare system. 113 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:54.439 But I mean this, I don't know. 114 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.560 It just to me that one number alone would be 115 00:06:57.759 --> 00:06:59.120 a deal breaking right there. 116 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:03.160 And does that include long term health complications you can 117 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:07.160 have if your pregnancy goes wrong. It doesn't include women 118 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.759 that have gone septic. It doesn't include women that like 119 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:14.120 bleed out in parking lots because they can't get access 120 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.759 to the healthcare that they need. So that's just let's 121 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.199 just all say anything about that for a little bit, everybody. 122 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.399 Yeah, I mean, Helen brings up a good point. What 123 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.519 about the data that's not being captured because it's not 124 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:29.920 being recorded. You know, there's there are people that try 125 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:34.480 to avoid arrest and try to avoid getting other people 126 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:38.120 arrested for helping them because that that, unfortunately in Texas, 127 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.560 is a law. But you know, Scott, you say, where 128 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:44.519 where are the Texans. Where are the women in Texas like, 129 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:49.959 forget about forget about your socioeconomic or your racial or 130 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:54.160 your ethnic differences, whatever it is. You know, women in 131 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.120 Texas need to recognize that even if you're a white 132 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:01.279 Christian nationalist woman, women are being impacted by this. And 133 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.199 this is not the last stop, right, This only gets 134 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:05.079 worse from here. 135 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.240 So great, Yeah, I mean we're still in the testing phase. 136 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:10.000 You know, they're pushing to see how far what they 137 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.639 can get away with and that kind of thing. And yeah, 138 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:15.360 it's it's going to get worse before it gets better unless, 139 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.240 you know, unless we turn things around sooner. It's just 140 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:19.199 really frustrating. 141 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:20.279 Helen. 142 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.160 I want to jump over to you for a second here, 143 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.120 and I want to talk a little bit about the 144 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.040 law itself. So the article indicated that this particular arrest 145 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.879 was made with the help of a whistleblower that may 146 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.559 have been taken advantage of the so called Texas bounty law, 147 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.879 which rewards citizen whistleblowers with cash bounty in these cases. 148 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.960 Are these bounty laws a legitimate approach to law enforcement 149 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.360 allowing for community participation in self policing. I mean, that 150 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.200 would be kind of the happy face, you know, way 151 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.960 of presenting this or is it more of an attempt 152 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.399 to pit neighbor against neighbor and divide us even further would? 153 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.200 I mean, do you think that it can be argued 154 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.360 that this is actually helping law enforcement or is it 155 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:01.679 really just harming communities. 156 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:03.519 I want to point out that this story is airing 157 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.480 on my birthday and this is a shitty birthday present. 158 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:11.279 I'm just gonna point that out right now. So in 159 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:17.399 regards to what you said, Scott, it's the latter because 160 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:21.679 it whistleblower. You just said it yourself. And also too, 161 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.279 the reason why it has to happen this way is 162 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.639 because they can't have a cop you know, searching every 163 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.279 home and when you know, I find out a woman 164 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.519 is pregnant and find out if she's going to you know, 165 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.799 use other means to enter pregnancy right like, they can't, 166 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:40.919 so they have to rely on people reporting. And also 167 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:46.159 since Texas isn't doing that great financially, they they're facing 168 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.399 some serious economic problems as well. This is an incentive, 169 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.000 you know, and even people that you know, some people 170 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.600 that do have the money, they're just jerks, you know, 171 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.440 and they'll you know, pid neighbor gets neighbor. If they're racist, 172 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:59.759 if they don't like a person, I mean, like, you know, 173 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:04.399 I like, I like what happened in Germany, what happened 174 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:07.679 during the witch trials. What happens when you are told 175 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.840 to pud neighbor person against person, you're going to start 176 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.960 some people are just going to start squawking. And that 177 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.200 puts also puts people like us, who our good people, 178 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.279 in a really weird position because if you know your 179 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:26.799 neighbor is performing you know, illegal abortions. But also, on 180 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:28.679 the other hand, if a woman doesn't you know what, 181 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.320 if your friend is pregnant, needs to get care, needs 182 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:34.399 to have an abortion. Like let's say she has an 183 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:38.639 atopic predigancy, which is kills you. It will kill a 184 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.120 woman if it goes a term like it will just 185 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:44.440 not term it just because the way that it is 186 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.840 attached to, so Floppian tube is the whole thing is bad. 187 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.480 So let's just say you know that, what do you do. 188 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.720 Do you risk your friend being arrested because you'll have 189 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:55.600 to report them, or do you risk your friend friend 190 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.320 you know, getting you know, some kind of illegal healthcare 191 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.279 that may not may or may not be you know, 192 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.080 something that they're able to do, and so it puts 193 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.279 people in these really sort of moral coundrees. You know 194 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:14.080 this really and I it's not simple, guys, Like, none 195 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.159 of this is simple, because the people that are gonna 196 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.759 suffer are not only the person that means to have 197 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.480 this medical procedure, but also the people that are Like 198 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:26.360 I said, I think the majority they're going to be 199 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.639 Charlton's and terrible people and people that are just going 200 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.000 to take advantage of the system because people suck. But 201 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.480 you also have you know, people that I think this 202 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.720 woman that got arrested was well intended. She was a midwife, 203 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.559 you know, she knew her stuff, you know, and that's 204 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.519 one of the better ones. Think of all the people 205 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.360 that you know are going to start performing these things, 206 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:44.039 but they don't. 207 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:47.399 Know what they're doing, right right, Yeah, Yeah, I want 208 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.039 to jump over to Jimmy real quick here, Jimmy, I 209 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.759 want to so I'm going to give you a scenario here, 210 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.360 and it does relate to what we're talking about. Studies 211 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.759 have shown that abstinence only sex ed for teens is 212 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:02.279 not an effective way for curtailing teen pregnancy. In fact, 213 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:05.799 teen pregnancy rates and ironically, abortion rates go up in 214 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.960 areas that require abstinence only sex ed. It's not that 215 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.600 sexual abstinence will not lead to fewer pregnancies. 216 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:14.559 It will. 217 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.919 If you don't have sex, you're less likely to be pregnant. 218 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:21.159 The problem is abstinence only sex education does not lead 219 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.679 to abstinence. So bearing that in mind, let's look at 220 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.600 a twenty eighteen study done by the gut Mocker Institute, 221 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:32.279 which found that quote in countries with the fewest restrictions, 222 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:36.720 we're talking about abortion restrictions. In countries with the fewest restrictions, 223 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.279 only one percent of abortions were the quote least safe kind. 224 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.519 From twenty ten to twenty fourteen, that number jumps to 225 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:48.000 thirty one percent in the most restrictive countries. So the 226 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:53.320 more a country restricts abortion access, the higher the percentage 227 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:57.399 of these unsafe types of pregnancies occur. During the same period, 228 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.879 abortions happened roughly as frequently in the most restrictive countries 229 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:05.120 as they did in the least restrictive thirty seven versus 230 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:08.440 thirty four abortions every year for every one thousand women 231 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.480 age fifteen to forty four. Quick note here that higher 232 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:15.600 number was from the more restrictive countries, So it you know, 233 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:19.120 if anything, it's it's kind of leaning towards increasing the 234 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:23.200 number of ab abortions. My question, then, Jimmy, is so 235 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:26.159 we seem to have a similar situation where the proposed restriction, 236 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.440 which harms minority community is at a much higher rate, 237 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:30.679 does not in. 238 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.120 Fact produce the desired outcomes. 239 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:35.679 So if I were to claim that the harm is 240 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.720 the objective, you know, maybe you've heard that as well, 241 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.039 the harm the is the goal? 242 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.840 Here? Does this kind of support that claim? Clearly? 243 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:46.159 Adding these laws does not have the affected outcome that 244 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:47.039 that they're proposing. 245 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.440 Is it intended to be a harmful policy? 246 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.360 Well, let me answer this in two parts. So first 247 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:58.080 I will say that it's probably impossible, all right, I'll 248 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.639 lose that. I use that term loosely because unless you 249 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:04.559 absolutely control people's lives, you might be able to control 250 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:08.320 their sexual habits, but it's probably damn near impossible to 251 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:12.639 control the human instinct to reproduce. Everybody wants to reproduce, 252 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.159 and even if they don't want a child out of it, 253 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:17.440 it's a lot of fun. At least their body tells 254 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.159 them it's a lot of fun, and it's something they 255 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:22.480 want to do, especially if you're a child. These numbers 256 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.320 that are really high for the most restrictive countries. These 257 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:31.120 countries are probably the most conservative countries and the most 258 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:38.279 theological countries. We probably there's likely a correlation between dangerous 259 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:43.759 or secretive abortions taking place in these countries because people 260 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.519 do not want to report them, because people don't want 261 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.799 to be found out, because young women don't want to 262 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.639 bring dishonor on their families. In a lot of Muslim 263 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:57.679 countries maybe, or a lot of countries where the collective 264 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:02.120 family value is represented by a female's virginity, maybe in 265 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.200 places like I don't know, Italy or Spain or some 266 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.600 African countries where that kind of thing is used as currency. 267 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.720 So it doesn't surprise me that in countries that would 268 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.360 restrict and have more conservative laws, you would have more 269 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:20.679 breaking of those laws, right so that I would say there, 270 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.720 I do think that this is harm and it is intended. 271 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.919 This is and I'm going to use a term that's 272 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:29.639 maybe a little bit out there, but I don't think 273 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.960 we're far off. This is a genocide, if you will, 274 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:39.080 against women, and particularly against women of minority populations. This 275 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.879 is a way for people in power, for the people 276 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.159 that want to hoard wealth and keep the status quo 277 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:48.440 as it is today in April twenty twenty five, where 278 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.559 the rich are getting richer and the poor are living 279 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.639 so chaotically that there's nothing they can do to keep 280 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:59.200 the rich from maintaining their power. Right if the people 281 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:03.120 in in control right now, who I would say largely 282 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.279 are the conservative politicians who want to keep the coffee 283 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:09.519 where it is, who want to keep their seat in 284 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.159 the House or the rep or the Senate, whether it's 285 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.360 in the state or the national level, who want things 286 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.200 to be just like they are and not be challenged 287 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.399 with a primary They have to carry this out for 288 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.200 the wealthy donors that they have, and what are they doing. 289 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.919 They're targeting the minorities. They're making them scared shitless, not 290 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:32.240 only for reasons of being deported, but also attacking them 291 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:36.039 where it hurts their human instinct, right, taking away their 292 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.200 bodily autonomy. And so that I think is what we 293 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.440 are seeing. And then again, this is not just this 294 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.440 is not just a poor issue. This is not just 295 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.960 a Latino or a minority issue. This is a women's issue. 296 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.639 And you know, I think that everybody needs to realize 297 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.720 that and stand up for the rights that these people, 298 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.080 these people deserve. And Scott, I hope I answered your question. 299 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:01.639 Yes, yeah, you definitely did. Definitely did, and I completely 300 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.639 agree with what you were saying there. I think I 301 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:06.720 think that it is harm and I think that that 302 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.640 there is and and I'm glad you brought the religion 303 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.000 aspect into it. I think that that's important. That's something 304 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.319 that we hadn't touched on yet, which is kind of amazing. 305 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.720 You know, the nonprofits, right, that's kind of our niche, right, 306 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.440 But you know, it's amazing that we can get so 307 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.200 deep into this story and we hadn't even brought up 308 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:27.920 religion yet. And so that just adds another layer of 309 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.200 difficulty and complication to the whole thing. 310 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.440 So may I add something just real quick, please do so. 311 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.359 You know, when I was studying my graduate degree, I 312 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:44.599 took on a project that covered female workplace participation, okay, 313 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.319 And basically what we found out is that the higher 314 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.640 participation rate of a given country's female population, the better 315 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.400 off their economy was. Right, the worst economies had less 316 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.359 women in the workforce, Okay, And so I think that 317 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:04.240 and those countries were the most orthodox religiously, whether it 318 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.880 was Christian, whether it was Islam, or whether it was 319 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.839 some other country right, whether or some other dogma. So 320 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:15.359 countries that have their dogma allow or informing their laws 321 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.880 and informing their treatment, informing their treatment of women actually 322 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.559 end up hurting themselves. And I think we're seeing that now. 323 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:23.880 Right, Helen. What's your your perspective on that? 324 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:27.160 Jim So, Jimmy was just pointing out that, uh, countries 325 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.440 that empower women basically are more effective and have higher, 326 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.960 uh you know, higher results across the board and all 327 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.200 all these different categories. 328 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.000 What what as a woman, what is your take on that? 329 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:42.960 That's obvious because we're not just Broodmeir's everybody. I know 330 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.400 that's shocking. But the more diverse populosity that you have, 331 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.839 whether it be women, people of color, you know, across 332 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.640 the gender spectrum, across you know, ritual background, but whatever 333 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.279 it is, education background, you're going to have a more 334 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.039 diverse workforce. That means that they're going to be able 335 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:04.839 to bring their education, their skills, their perspectives, all the 336 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:08.400 trade into the economy. When you treat everybody as an equal, 337 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.839 and that is why they're more successful. But if you're 338 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.279 making one person just be you know, the breadwinner, and 339 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:17.079 the other one you know, they're supposed to stay home 340 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:20.920 and like pop out. You know babies, You're not going 341 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:23.279 to have that diversity. You're cutting off your nose to 342 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.440 spite your face. And I want to bring something back 343 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.680 to what Jimmy was saying. Yes, this is affecting a 344 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:31.720 woman of minority minority populations now, but guess what they're 345 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.920 going to come after birth control, and that affects everybody, 346 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.759 every woman that wants to, you know, have some kind 347 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.640 of bodily autonomy. So right now, again, just because it's 348 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:44.839 not happening to you right now, doesn't mean it's not 349 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.160 going to fucking happen. So we have to be people 350 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.839 have to be very very careful about just because it's 351 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.440 not happening to you. But guess what, even if it 352 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:56.519 doesn't happen to you, Like I'm done, like I'm not 353 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.519 having any more children, but it affects other women in 354 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.400 my life and also just women in general, and I 355 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.079 don't and people that can and people that can have babies. 356 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:10.039 So I'm just kind of over this sexism. I'm just done. 357 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:12.240 I'm done with this. Like we have to take care 358 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.000 of each other, because it also affects men, the people 359 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:19.920 that get us pregnant, and affects our lives as well. 360 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.400 So this goes, this goes all the way around people. 361 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:24.279 So you got to start taking care of each other 362 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:25.279 and fighting gets this crap. 363 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:28.920 I agree wholeheartedly, and I think that was very well stated. 364 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.160 One last thing this is I just have one last question, 365 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.039 and I want to get an answer from each of you, 366 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:35.920 and you can. You can make it as brief or 367 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:39.079 as lengthy as you'd like. We've been talking about the 368 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:42.119 morality of the situation. We've been talking about the business 369 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:46.119 aspects of the situation. We've even touched on a little 370 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.839 bit of the legal situation here or the legal aspect 371 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.400 of the story. I'll just ask you point blank. We'll 372 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.079 start with Helen and then we'll go to Jimmy. Should 373 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:57.359 Maria Rojas have been arrested? 374 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:57.720 Why? 375 00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:58.240 Or why not? 376 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:04.799 Oh God, I'm up two mans because I'm of two minds. Yes, 377 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.759 she's a midwife, but also not all midways are trained 378 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.759 to do abortions. And also but also also at the 379 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:12.720 same time, though the women's pregnancy, we only had a 380 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:19.119 nine percent chance of of UH being successful so I like, 381 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:21.960 I'm a kind of a double edged sword. I under 382 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.119 the law, I don't. I don't agree with the law. 383 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:27.640 I thing is gross. But even so, even if let's 384 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.440 say she did have her medicalized, this was she allowed 385 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:35.079 to perform abortions because midwives had different different medical requirements 386 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:40.000 versus obstetricians. So so if she had done it under 387 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.680 you know, if it was legal, I would I was 388 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.240 still I would still have that caveat. But but the 389 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.599 major problem, that is what the problem is, is that 390 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.039 we shouldn't be having this conversation in the first place, 391 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:52.559 and trying to look, you know, trying to have this 392 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.599 top down perspective of it, like, we should not be 393 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.880 having this conversation. That woman who had a nine percent 394 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:01.680 chance of her pregnant being successful should have been able 395 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.920 to go to an obstrician and talk with him or 396 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.720 her and be like, I'm this fretsey is not gonna 397 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:10.680 be fruitful. I don't want to go through all the 398 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.720 pain and agony. And the doctor said, she said yep, 399 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.559 and gave her the medical care that she needs needs 400 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:19.720 and that's it. That should have been. 401 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:22.440