WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:12.800 I think? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:27.760 What Welcome to the Occult Rejects. We've got a very 4 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:31.440 very special episode tonight Friday Live Show, and I want 5 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:33.280 it to be a good one. So I how to 6 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.240 bring another role. I brought a gnostic onto the show. 7 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.359 Everybody's favorite gnostic. You got Miguel Connor, also known as 8 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:42.240 a on Bite. But before we introduced him, I'm going 9 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:45.920 to introduce the other rejects. We got the occult, but 10 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.640 we got the occult reject man scientist, Lisa, what is 11 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.439 going on? How are you? Thank you very much for 12 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:50.840 making this. 13 00:00:53.719 --> 00:01:00.679 You're muted, You're muted? 14 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:01.799 And he did it again. 15 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:03.280 I was muted. 16 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:11.640 Okay, thank you for inviting me. I'm very interested to 17 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.719 hear what you know but has to say, and I'm 18 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.719 very very excited topics. So thank you for inviting me on. 19 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.920 And hello to the fellow rechecks. 20 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:25.280 So thank you very much for joining us, Lisa. I 21 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.920 appreciate it. And we got my man, Jules. What is 22 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:29.319 going on? Sir? Thank you very much. 23 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:31.480 What's up, guys, It's good to be back after a 24 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:35.000 couple of weeks. I'm Jules Host of the Great Pill Podcast. 25 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.680 You find me on x at Great Pilled Pod, Rumble YouTube, 26 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:43.439 all this place to go. Subscribe to me there. Patreon 27 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:46.439 dot com says Great Pill Podcast. We're actually going live 28 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:51.319 after this show watching twin Peaks. It's funny. We're doing 29 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.519 a cult David Bowie tonight seeing he was in. 30 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:55.319 Fire Walk with me. 31 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:03.680 Very interesting because I think he wanted me in that movie. Anyway. Yeah, 32 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:05.879 it's it's it's it's good to be here on a 33 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:06.560 Friday night. 34 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:08.039 I hope everybody had a good week. 35 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:12.000 Y'all go ahead and like the stream, share it and uh, 36 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:13.560 let's let's fucking go. 37 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:16.560 Oh yeah, thank you very much, Jules, I appreciate it. 38 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.879 And my man Ethan Ethan indgo, he made it. What 39 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.039 is going on? So please let everybody know what's up 40 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:22.680 with you and your books. 41 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:25.240 Honored to be here. 42 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:30.479 If anyone missed Micgill's presentation on Elvis. 43 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.879 You gotta check it out. It was amazing. I know 44 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.120 this is gonna be dope. 45 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.360 Yeah, I'm an author, I'm on all the social media, 46 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.560 easy to find, and my book's most popular one, Geometry 47 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.599 of Energy, easy to find as well. 48 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:46.520 So yeah, I'm stoke to be here with everyone. 49 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.560 Hell yeah, thank you, Ethan. I appreciate it. I'm glad 50 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.680 you made it. My man and my boy Tyrone. What 51 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:53.439 is going on, sir? 52 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.639 It was going on everybody. I appreciate it for being here. Nick, 53 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.360 thank you so much. You know, it's always a pleasure 54 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:02.919 of being here, an honor to be here. 55 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:03.520 I should say. 56 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.360 Everything you can find on me is on rebirth at 57 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:12.280 the word dot com. Yes, definitely go and get Ethan's book. 58 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.479 We got to finish out the discussion with him. 59 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:17.280 His books are great. I love his books. 60 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.599 I'm definitely promoting that every time. You can also find 61 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.240 my book Journey through the Origins of History on Amazon. 62 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:24.800 I appreciate it to be here, and thank. 63 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:28.240 You of course, of course, sir and my man Tim Constantine. 64 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:29.000 What is going on? 65 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:29.199 Sir? 66 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.280 From sixth Century Podcasts. Please let everybody know what is up? 67 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.319 Hey, Nick, what's up? I love everyone here tonight. Happy 68 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.680 to do this. I love this concept for this show. 69 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:43.520 I talked to somebody about a month ago about doing 70 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.080 this and it fell through, so I'm excited to do 71 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.120 it on here. This is great cult David Bowie Let's 72 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:53.639 go Yeah. Sixth Century Podcast YouTube, Spotify, Apple, and Patreon 73 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:55.599 and thanks again, Nick. 74 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:57.919 No, of course, I'm glad. I'm glad it worked out 75 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.000 like that. It's pretty funny how it's like it canceled 76 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.599 then then one day you just got an email of 77 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:03.319 me inviting you to a show for You're like, what 78 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:11.520 the fuck? Yeah, is magic fucking around? But uh now, 79 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:13.840 before we introduced the guest, somebody already said it in 80 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:15.680 the chat. They beat me to it. If you have 81 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:19.279 not heard the Occult Elvis that Miguel did on the 82 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:21.240 Occult Rejects, fucking check it out. 83 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:21.519 It was. 84 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:23.879 Honestly, it was probably one of my most fun and 85 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.959 mind blowing shows. Like he literally had everybody like, go 86 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.079 what the fuck? I didn't know Elvis was into that 87 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.319 it was doing that, go check that out and check 88 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:36.000 out the book. But tonight we got him on for 89 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.120 another person. That is somebody that I'm sure all of 90 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.519 us here have brought up at some point with the 91 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.800 occultism and with music, especially with me. I quote him 92 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.560 a lot, which I'll probably throw in quotes and some 93 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.399 random stuff about him as Miguel's going, but we are 94 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:51.480 going to be talking about David Bowie, the occult David Bowie, 95 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.839 So please Miguel, let everybody know what is up with 96 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.279 you if they don't know who you are by now 97 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:58.399 and where they can find all your amazing work. 98 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.360 I go bunk over munch. I had to do that. 99 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:07.519 But yeah, we got some strange fascination here. Yeah, Miguel Connor, 100 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:11.519 host of a bite gen X Wasteland and a host 101 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.759 of am by Gnostic Radio. So that's really it, and 102 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.319 should make the announcement that the book that I just 103 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:24.759 wrote on David Bowie has been accepted by the publisher 104 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:30.560 and official announcement here on ther Co Rechix. And of 105 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.240 course don't get too excited. It will be out. It 106 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:35.199 will probably, I've talked to them. It will be out 107 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.360 in about a year because we've really only just begun. 108 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:40.279 I've got the draft. There's going to be a lot 109 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.560 of editing, copy editing, type setting, yeah, you know, the 110 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.079 whole process. But it's there, and it's a I think 111 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.519 a cult David Bowie's all had, because it is tentatively 112 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.759 entitled The Gnostic David Bowie, because I think that's like Elvis. 113 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:00.639 I mean, David Bowie's occultism is so well known, but 114 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.279 there's so much more. I think the world has missed, 115 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:07.120 and that's I think what this book will do. And 116 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.800 I've shown it to again many people who are Bowie 117 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.079 fans and occultists, and they've been blown away by it. 118 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.920 And I don't know. I hope this is it, because 119 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.160 as I told you, I told you guys, the the 120 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.800 Elvis book was completely channeled or called. The voice came 121 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:26.959 in my head, and when I was done with I 122 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.480 was like, Okay, that's my fifteen minutes of fame as 123 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:33.680 a biography to me, Yeah, yeah, I want to move on. 124 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.240 I just want to move on, Go work for Masade 125 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.439 or you know, something respectable, move on with my life. 126 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.319 And suddenly, as soon as yeah, yeah, I was done 127 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.439 it with the book, another voice came and said, you 128 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.600 forgot about Elvis two point oh. I was like, there's 129 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:50.160 no Elvis two point oh. And I was like, oh 130 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.319 my god, it's it's David Bowie. They're the same character. 131 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.879 And I said, okay, let's go down this rabbit hole 132 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.120 and boom, just everything opened up. So I'm gonna say, 133 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.800 I don't think there's an Elvis three point oh. Please 134 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:05.720 let there not be an Elvis three point oh. Because 135 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:10.120 these books train you and when you're these forces channel you. 136 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.560 They take their pound or flesh, your mental health, your 137 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:17.399 physical health, every your your life gets upturned. You turn down, 138 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.160 you know, work, family, all that. It's it's a it's 139 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.639 a brutal process. Rewarding but brutal. 140 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:25.680 I want to bang my head against the wall right 141 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.199 in like forty pages of like slop, like imagine like 142 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.519 I had to be like three hundred pages in a book. 143 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.079 I feel like, fuck this. You know, so I give 144 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.160 you credit, but man, that's it's impressive stuff to do that. Uh. Yeah, 145 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:39.959 you know what's funny. I remember when you had said 146 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:41.480 that you were done. Oh that was like, you know, 147 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.079 you're fifteen minutes of fame. And then I think I 148 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:44.920 had seen you start all of a sudden post like 149 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.279 not obsessively, but like a lot on David Bowie. And 150 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.279 I was like, oh oh, and I think I even 151 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.439 like saw you even started to make some announcement. They're 152 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.800 saying something like I think it, and I was like, 153 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.759 my man's going on with David Bowie. I can't wait 154 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:56.480 to hear about this. 155 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:02.160 Yeah, I probably don't remember posting that stuff. Yeah, ago 156 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:06.800 you talked about the divine and the divine madness, where 157 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.399 the best thing you can do as a human is 158 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.720 being invaded or possessed by some god, the Muses or 159 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:17.000 Dionysus or Apollo, and that's you're possessed and something good 160 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.079 happens to it. But again there's a toll. 161 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.560 Yeah, yeah, so I guess So what was it that? 162 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:24.920 I mean, something popped into your head and it said 163 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:26.439 David Bowie is the next one? 164 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.720 Yeah? Yeah, And I saw the parallels with Iam Elvis 165 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.679 and they're just monumental. And there's several thesis that I 166 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.279 have in the book. Again, one of them what you 167 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.240 hear a lot about is Bowie was Bowie. He was 168 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.360 a chameleon, he was innovative, and you know, you hear 169 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:46.360 that shit all the time, but nobody ever says, well 170 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.840 why you know? And I understand, you know, biographers are historians. 171 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.240 Their job is not the why, but a lot of 172 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:57.240 people don't even go there. Why was David Bowie David Bowie? 173 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.440 So there is a lot that happened from both the 174 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.000 stars and his life that turned him into David Bowie. 175 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.919 The other one, too, is how gnostic he was. As 176 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:13.519 you start breaking down his life unconsciously and consciously, he 177 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.879 really was moved and inspired by gnosticism. It's almost like 178 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:22.840 it's the entire thrust of his message and his worldview 179 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:24.919 and so forth, and we can break some of them 180 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.600 down if you want. And the other thing, too, is 181 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.000 also Saturn. I realized that both Bowie and Elvis really 182 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.360 were ruled by this being called Saturn. And in a way, 183 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.200 Bowie told me David, I need to call him David. 184 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:41.360 I wouldn't call him. I always call him by his 185 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.639 first name. That he's still trapped in another dimension that 186 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.759 he left. And of course I make the argument with 187 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.200 Blackstar where he gave us this message of the world, 188 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.120 his ideas, and how Saturn is really controlling things and 189 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:57.399 he's still sort of stuck there and him we need 190 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.600 to bring him back because his entire life is this 191 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.480 almost ritual, this mystery religion, gnostic ritual after ritual. It's 192 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:08.639 more than his personas. These are actually rituals that he 193 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:12.919 did that lasted for years. And yeah, I think those 194 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:17.360 four things really reveal a brand new vision of Bowie, 195 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:21.720 and nobody's ever really written a cult Bowie. There's The 196 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.759 Tao of Bowie, which is a good book, but he 197 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:29.159 focuses Edwards focuses more on his Eastern interests. And then 198 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.080 there's a book coming out I think in January by 199 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:37.799 Peter Ormergard called which is Bowie's Quest for God. But 200 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.240 it's more metaphysical, you know. I bring in the occult 201 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:46.720 as UFO experiences his conspiracy theories. I try. I bring 202 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:50.120 in I see the lenses through why Bowie was David 203 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.039 was working in these things and what happened in his life, 204 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:57.039 and I just throw everything in and this will be 205 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:58.120 all in the book. 206 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.840 I forgot he wasn't to conspiracies. The interviews I saw 207 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.679 like he did on TV and he would say like 208 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.039 conspiratorial shit. I forgot there was something he was going 209 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:08.639 on about, and I was like, oh wow, he was 210 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:11.279 saying there like shit. People get famous on Instagram for 211 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:11.679 saying that. 212 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.360 Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. And in some of it, 213 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.679 of course, was when he was I mean most people 214 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.960 know in the seventies, when you know, the cocaine started 215 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:25.000 rotting his brain and he went off and started embracing 216 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:29.000 Nazi occultism and saying things like, you know, England needs 217 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:32.720 a figure like Hitler. And Hitler was history's first rock 218 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:37.360 star and allegedly gave a Nazi salute before Elon Musk 219 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.600 and all that. He gave a Nazi salute and got 220 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:44.240 like just lambasted by the press, and he was, yeah, 221 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.279 he was. He was into some and of course the 222 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.919 whole alien thing. He always thought aliens were there and 223 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.360 they were controlling the world and he was completely out 224 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.840 of control for a while and it happened. 225 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.679 Did he start Did he have a UFO magazine that 226 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:04.440 he put out early on, like before the cocaine brain run. 227 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.360 Yeah, in the late sixties he was part of a 228 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.639 magazine and he would do in London and his flat 229 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:12.559 or in some building. He would sit there all night 230 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.960 with a telescope with others looking for UFOs and he 231 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.519 saw plenty of them over the skies. He had plenty 232 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.320 experiences later on while he was touring and all that. 233 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:27.799 And then there's the famous story where he he was 234 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.759 doing an interview and this is in the eighties. I 235 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:34.000 think he was done with cocaine. But he like freezes 236 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.600 and he looks out and he's like seeing something weird, 237 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.639 and his nose just starts bleeding. And of course, if 238 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.480 you read to a Whitley Strieber's communion when the visitors come, 239 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.799 that's one of the signs is a nosebleed. So and 240 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:49.679 there's more with you know him and extra terrestrials. They 241 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.879 were like they were really part of his life. 242 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.840 Yeah. You seem to be the same with Elvis too, right. 243 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:01.559 Yeah, Yeah, Elvis had three encounter and was a huge 244 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.480 UFO guy, reading up on the literature and all that. Yeah, 245 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.519 both were obsessed with the whole extraterrestrial thing. 246 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:11.840 You know, there's a story I came across and you 247 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.440 just jogged it in my memory. 248 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.159 I heard it on the podcast a long time ago, 249 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.960 but it was is the story out of Detroit that 250 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.639 Bowie was on tour and he was playing Detroit and 251 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.840 Detroit was having a UFO wave at the moment he 252 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:26.840 pulled in there. 253 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:28.879 So he did like basically what you said. 254 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:30.679 I guess he went out and got a telescope or 255 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.799 he already had the telescope and they were they set 256 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.120 it up in the limo and they used to they 257 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.799 opened up the limo sun roof and they were looking 258 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:41.720 for UFOs in the limo on the way out of Detroit. 259 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.080 Great, great story. 260 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.360 Yeah, and he would he would do that like traveling 261 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.600 Minnesota and they, like Elvis, he had this thing about 262 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.399 flying so he would drive or take boats or trains 263 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.080 and all that. But he did that and that even 264 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.960 during the show he was asking people, if you have 265 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.639 any information on the UFO, let me know, let me no. Now. 266 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.240 Of course, a few days later the government debunked it, 267 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:08.399 but I'm sure there was more. I'm sure David was 268 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:09.960 right and something had happened. 269 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.440 One thing I did when I mentioned before, we kind 270 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:15.600 of got a little bit off of it. But you 271 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:17.759 had mentioned cocaine, and I think even earlier you kind 272 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.000 of mentioned like, oh, you know, like I guess, like 273 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.279 David Bowie reinventing himself. People like, oh, it's just him 274 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.559 like being silly or whatever. I feel like a lot 275 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.399 of artists, the drugs just get thrown as an excuse 276 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:35.279 for them actually rather being an intelligent or occultists. I 277 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.200 think like when they do weird stuff, they're like, oh, 278 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.120 it must have been the heroine of the cocaine. You know, 279 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.799 they party, so that's why they said that or did that. 280 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.559 I think just that's a lot of times I think 281 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:51.039 that unfortunately takes place for all the things. I just 282 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:52.519 wanted to throw that in there. I think like even 283 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.879 with David Bowie, I think it. Even when he did 284 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.519 a station to station I mean that was a huge 285 00:14:57.559 --> 00:14:59.039 time when the I think he said, like he was 286 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:02.039 basically doing coke canes year straight, so some crazy shit 287 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:05.000 like that. The whole album. There's some deeply a culted 288 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:06.679 shit in that one. I mean he even mentions from 289 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:11.120 Catherine to malcouth. So I mean, if you're gonna like 290 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:12.919 look at that as like, oh, that just must be 291 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:14.879 cocaine's like os is, you never gonna understand what the 292 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:15.639 fuck he was saying. 293 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.360 Yeah, that's for sure. I mean he was He was 294 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:22.480 never a drug guy in the sixties a spliff here, 295 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:27.200 some acid there, and then in like the early seventies 296 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.120 he and Angie were actually anti drugs, speak out publicly 297 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.720 and the problems they were drinking and drugging, and they 298 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.200 didn't do drugs. The problem is he got caught in 299 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.799 that I need to work harder, so I'll do cocaine. 300 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.080 So I'm going make morning. So, you know, because he 301 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:46.960 was not just a star, but he was also a producer, 302 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.320 a media guy. You know, he was producing the actorg Pop. Yeah, 303 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:55.399 he was producing Iggy Pop's albums. You know, he did 304 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.919 Lou Reed's famous what Transformer album. I mean he was 305 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:02.639 working around the so he started doing cocaine so he 306 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.159 could stay up all night in the studio and tour. 307 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.600 And eventually it just got it got the best of him. 308 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.519 And he wasn't doing like the shit cocaine that all 309 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.080 of us did when we were young. He was doing 310 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:19.159 the Keith Richards. It was this just perfect great cocaine 311 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:21.200 where he just did a bump in for eight hours, 312 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.279 he'd beat the loose, flying out, yeah, whatever it was. 313 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:28.360 And eventually, yeah, he had a diet of Pepper's milk 314 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.480 and cocaine. That was it. He was like a skeleton 315 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.320 and he would appear in the Dick Cavage Show just 316 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.039 talking about all these weird occult things and freaking people 317 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:43.039 out and sniffing and all that. He was a complete disaster. 318 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.039 But somehow he kept putting out just amazing albums, like 319 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.519 you said, Stas in the Station, Young Americans, Diamond Dogs. 320 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.440 He was just part of him was still able to 321 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.600 create great art and very occult art. But he also 322 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:02.360 became obsessed with a cult like stories of him staying 323 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.839 in his La house. Yeah, that was the great story 324 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.880 out of you know coke addicts think is like he 325 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:13.000 got so paranoid, and he got into a magical battle 326 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.279 with Jimmy Page and others, and he kept thinking lou 327 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:19.400 Reed as the devil and witches were trying to get 328 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:23.359 a semen or to create some moonchild, and he got 329 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:27.039 so paranoid in New York, so very smartly, he moves 330 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.480 from New York to the La Cocaine cold capital of 331 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.119 the United States, LA. And then it gets worse and he's, 332 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:37.240 you know, when he's not doing music and stuff, he's 333 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.119 just sitting in his house just like you know, watching 334 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:47.319 Nazi documentaries and scrying kabalistic and a could sigils all 335 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:51.359 over his house and driving around and casting spells. I 336 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:53.960 mean he was. And then there's a famous story where 337 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.279 he thought that there was a demon, that Satan was 338 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.880 at the bottom of his pool and he calls his wife, Angie, 339 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:06.079 and Angie comes over and she's she Angie was basically 340 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.359 an atheist, and she Angie was like, yes, there was 341 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.119 this ink at the bottom, this evil thing moving around 342 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.039 like some Lovecraftian. 343 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:14.519 Thing and terrifying. 344 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.920 Yeah, And Angie's like, well, should we call it? You know, 345 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.240 a should we call like a priest? And I don't 346 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.079 want any press about this, so Angie has to look 347 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.519 up all these exorcism prayers and he and Angie do 348 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:31.000 this exorcism prayer and this evil disappears from the bottom 349 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.680 of the pool. So it's there's so much more. But yeah, 350 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.240 his seventies were pretty wild. 351 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:37.079 Yeah, there's that. 352 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.799 Story you mentioned, like he was, I guess worried about 353 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:45.559 which is getting his semen. And there's a story I 354 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.240 read about that. I think it's in Angie's biography. I 355 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:50.559 don't remember the name of the book. I've got a 356 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:52.240 whole bunch of rock books over there, and it's in 357 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.440 one of those rock books. But she she does like 358 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.680 a hotel on that whole entire situation. 359 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:58.920 And he was on a he was on a bench. 360 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.960 In la and he called her because he thought he 361 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.839 was being held captive by these warlocks. And they finally 362 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.359 get him to go out and uh, they get him 363 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:11.240 to go out into the street and get a cab 364 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:14.200 and go to his new manager's house, and then they 365 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:16.599 have to like lock him in a room or I 366 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.480 think he even locked himself in a room because he 367 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:23.599 was so paranoid. And Angie calls up the Rock Rider 368 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:28.799 for Circus magazine. Uh, Mollie and gives She's like she 369 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:35.279 was like a go kind of a witch, right, so 370 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:38.799 she gives them like some sort of a ritual dude 371 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.160 to sort of break break him out of this bender. 372 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:46.079 It's wild, but that was but that was Angie's own words. 373 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:50.759 She said that, like, nobody knows if these Warlocks are 374 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.920 really wanted to they wanted He said that they wanted 375 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.880 to have a child with him, and like a spawn 376 00:19:57.880 --> 00:19:59.359 of Satan type of a situation. 377 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.279 So uh yeah, yeah, definitely, And that's in my book 378 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:08.240 and other instances. Again, plenty of witnesses, whether whether it's 379 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.559 Mick Jagger or John Lennon, ja saw Bowie just going 380 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:16.720 completely insane, completely into this dark magic, into you know, 381 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:21.440 Nazi occultism. He became obsessed with like Mourning of the 382 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:26.200 Magicians by Lewis Powells and The Spear of Destiny by 383 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.000 Trevor Raven's Court and all this sort of very dark 384 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.359 literature at the time, and it just it consumed him. 385 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.160 And that's why he created his persona, the Thin White Duke, 386 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.880 because this guy was just an evil fascist and that 387 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.559 was the persona that gave us Station to Station and 388 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:45.519 all that. It was. 389 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:53.680 Yeah, yeah, well was there anybody to him keeping your 390 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:54.640 en in the refrigerator. 391 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.680 Yeah, yeah, I think we have eyewitnesses to that plenty, 392 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.680 and toenails and nails too. Yeah. He was afraid that 393 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.240 some witches would grab it and you know, create a 394 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.519 clone out of him or use it for spells or something. 395 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:13.920 So it was yeah, that sounds crazy then, but now, 396 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.279 I mean, you know, it's pretty believable. 397 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:18.039 Yeah. 398 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:22.079 Yeah, Italians believe that where you know, in the mafia. 399 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:24.079 If you watch a lot of Mafia movies, the women 400 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.200 they when they do it, the clipping of the fingernails 401 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.640