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Speaker 1: The Pekanyonas Show dot com. Everything's there. I want to

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Greg Hood is here, James Kirkpatrick is here, but he's

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been going as Kevin Deanna lately. So hey, man, how

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I'm doing well. It is getting tiresome

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and trying to kill off all these different pen names,

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which I think sometimes came with alternate personalities too, so

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it can be a little switch.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes, well some people have. Every once in a while,

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someone will refer to me as the hardest working man

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in podcasting. When you're talking into Mike, when you're talking

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into a microphone, it's not that difficult. Yeah, you just

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really have to know how to schedule. Well, you're probably

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the hardest working man I know, because not only are

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you podcasting and live streaming, but you're right. You're right

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all the time, and so and I respect the hell

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out of you, and I've wanted to get you on

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for a little while now, especially since I look at

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things as there are events. I think October seventh was

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a seminal event that has changed the world forever. And

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I think that the Charlie Kirk assassination. We will not

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talk about conspiracies today. We will just take it as

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the man is dead and he was killed in public,

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I think this is another one of those. So tell

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even before, oh, was he actually because remember initially there

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were all these different reports, is he actually dead? There

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were some reports saying he'd gone to the hospital, or

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people obviously who I know who knew him, who were

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even sure whether he was alive or dead initially. But

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the very first thing I posted was this is the

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beginning of the American years of lead, and that assumption

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has not quite gone away. I don't think we're anywhere

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the atmosphere of existential political struggle I think is even

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that I've hammered away on. And people can disagree with

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and left are actually meaningful concepts, that there is a

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political concepts, it's because those have just become a cover

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for my tribe versus your tribe. And Kirk being slain,

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regardless of what we think about each other or what

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do his change my mind thing? And you know there's

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just it's so obvious, it's insane. But people are you know,

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my guys, you know, like the old Glory Club, we

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were saying, why are you doing this? There's no conversation

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now you're just going to be cowards. This is like

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sticking it in their face that you know, we're not

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scared anymore. Now you just don't people. I mean, how

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incredible is it that we have every book. We can

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study the Spanish Civil War, we can study the years

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of Lead, we can study all these things, and it's like, look,

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the only thing you should be doing right now is

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figuring out people in your area that you can team

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up with and basically plan. I'm not saying too you're

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going to plan to be revolutionaries, You're going to plan

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to go look for trouble, but you're planning because where

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debate culture that's sort of grown up online because it's

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not a real debate. I mean, everything is just sort

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of you recite some talking points as quickly as possible,

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you try to get a clip out of context, your

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guys dunk on people forever. And a lot of it

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has to do with manipulating social media as opposed to

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making a good argument. That's how it's become on college

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a debate where it's actually worth doing the research and

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making real arguments and everything else. There has to be

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at least some common ground. We have to at least

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have a shared conception of the good, and we do

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not have that anymore. I mean, one of the things

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assassinated was when the black president of I believe, the

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student union at Oxford, who's just this slob who they

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admitted and gave the job to because he's so unimpressive.

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they wouldn't have given him this job, was openly celebrating

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that he had been killed. And this is a guy

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who had debated Kirk not long ago. And that struck

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however brief, even if you didn't like that person, if

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to really affect you. You tend to feel really bad

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about it. In the immediate aftermath. His instant reaction with

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everything that was going on was to celebrate, was to

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position that he has, tell only what we're supposed to

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do with a person like that? Why exactly are we

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supposed to talk to this person? What common interest could

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I possibly have with this? How is this anything other

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than an enemy to be avoided, expelled, or destroyed? So

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think winning is owning people online. Yeah you've had this,

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Speaker 2: We have to define our terms here, and people on

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the right like to talk about power, but people on

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the left to actually pursue power. And what power really

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means is it means being able to transfer resources, including

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the most precious resource, which is safety, away from your

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enemies and towards your friends. It's a very practical thing.

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and from campus conservative and the rest of Well, let's

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continue the conversation. Let's appeal to the left's morality. Remember

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need to get the Democrats to stop using this violent

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rhetoric comparing ICE officers to Nazis or whatever else. But

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they do think you're Nazis. They actually think that. That's

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not just their retarded opinion, and they're playing a game.

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They believe that, and therefore they think they're justified in

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doing this to you. And I assume Ted Cruz also

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thinks it's justified in doing that to Nazis. So what now,

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particularly with people that we have nothing in common with,

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not even the basic idea of truth, and start talking

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in real terms about what it means to be organized,

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what it means to pursue power, what it means to

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be able to protect ourselves, even at the most basic love.

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afraid that five years from now we really are going

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to look back on this as the Golden age, because

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Speaker 1: One of the things you said there about Nazis, it

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seems like fifteen ten, fifteen years ago, they just called

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you a Nazi. Maybe they didn't believe you were a Nazi,

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but they called you a Nazi just to insult you.

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they're calling you a Nazi so that it's okay to

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kill you. And I don't think people get that, you know.

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saying he invokes the charlsbmit. Yeah right, and it's and

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and Orrin said, look, don't take this as them calling

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me a Nazi because they think I'm a Nazi. They

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they're calling me a Nazi because they do think I'm

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a Nazi. But they want me dead. They're trying to

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get me shot. And that's what people don't realize. That's

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Speaker 2: They just want to get fired, and they want your

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family to starve. That's the friendly interpretation that they just

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want you fired and your family to starve.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's not it anymore, is it? People are

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booth on campus to own, to own the libs while

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a historically black college. President Trump actually just dramatically increased

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the amount of tax payer money that goes to these institutions.

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on campus and they were just set upon people, screaming,

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destroying their stuff, making threats. Eventually the campus kicked them off.

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this is what black college students believe. That white people

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are savages who didn't know how to read or write

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until blacks taught them. They invented science, they invented math.

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They're the ones who did everything, and so therefore white

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people have no rights and they can do whatever they want.

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by non whites and among whites and Jews. I think

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this idea that everybody on the right is actually a fascist.

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I mean, one of the things I would add to

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what you just said. I think fifteen years years ago,

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they would call you a Nazi to get you in trouble,

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but they didn't really believe you are a Nazi. Now

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they really believe you're a Nazi. They really do believe

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what they're saying. They really do believe you're a fascist.

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And how do you deal with fascist. You deal with

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it the way the Partisans dealt with Mussolini. That is

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what they are saying, and there's no reason to disbelieve

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them at this point. This is something that has been

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brewing for a very long time, not just in academia,

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but probably more relevantly in pop culture, because basically, since

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twenty sixteen, we've been in this brown scare where every

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video game, every movie, every television show tells us that

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there's this secret network of Nazis that's controlling America behind

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the scenes, and that the true enemy of World War

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two was not in fact Germany or Italy, but the

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racist oligarchs within our own country. And now those racist

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oligarchs are in charge, and Trump is their head. Doesn't

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matter if we believe any of that, doesn't matter. If

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we believe that Trump is the farthest thing from this

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and is actually just a slave to a foreign power.

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You can say whatever you want about the president. The

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people who are willing to take up arms believe this,

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and the academics and the entertainment medium moguls and the

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politicians who support these people, including the well healed legal

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and judicial networks, the lawyers and the judges who are

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willing to give these guys a slap on the wrists

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or get them off entirely, they all believe this too,

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and that's what we have to deal with.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it takes ten or fifteen years for it

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to go from oh, we really don't think you're Nazis,

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we're just going to say that to get you fired,

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to we really think you're Nazis. How long is it

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going to take for people on the right to be like, yeah,

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you know, I'm not a Nazi. I'm just like a

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normal Yeah, I'm a normal person who wants to grill

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to Maybe there's something to this, you know, maybe maybe

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that's already aiding.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's already happening to some extent. I was on yesterday,

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this guy, the Warrior Philosopher was on, and obviously if

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you know him, you know, not talking about like racial politics.

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We're talking about ideology and stuff. We were talking a

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lot about pre war Italy, or rather post World War

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One Italy Thanunzio and things like that. And there's this

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show MS Son of the Century, which is another example

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of this fascist panic I'm talking about. They literally have

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the Mussolini guy turned toward the camera and go make

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Italy great Again, where it's like, okay, yeah, very on

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the nose here. But there's a scene where one of

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the fascists is killed by the communists and Italio Balbo

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leads the black Shirts on a raid on these Communist

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party headquarters and they're screaming, you know, where is the comrade?

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Wherever Florio? Then their friend who was killed, and everyone's

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going presente and When you see that segment now on YouTube,

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all the comments are like, where is the comrade Charlie

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Kirk presente? Where is the comrade Charlie Kirk. There was

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an incident when I was first starting off in politics.

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but there was a college Republican convention where a bunch

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of college Republicans, this is during the Bush air, We're

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singing a song called Stomping Out the Reds, and one

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of the lyrics was basically we're grinding their guts underneath

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our panzers or something like that. It was this kind

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of a song. I don't even know where it came from.

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I've never heard it before or since, and everybody went nuts.

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It was a huge media scandal. The very idea that

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people would not just say something like this, but would

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just identify with this within their own heads was truly shocking.

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Now it's just taken for granted. I've been among some

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of the most milk toast college Republicans and someone will

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just playfully throw up a Roman and everybody just kind

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of accepts it and move on. And this is not

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the way it was fifteen years ago. And this is

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very much an age thing because someone like me is

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immediately uncomfortable and looking around because I'm like, guys, don't

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you understand this could be a whole thing. Kids now,

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they don't care. I think they understand at a gut

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level that were past all this. And while boomer conservatives,

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I think are going to still be playing the post

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World War War World War two playbook. I mean, anyone

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who's on the right who's gen z or younger, I

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mean they're talking about things like the RDD and they're

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not ashamed.

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Speaker 1: Well, how does this how do you see this playing out?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: I think there are still a lot of people on

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the right who are waiting for like And I'm not

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talking about you know, oh you need to form militias

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or anything like that. I'm talking about you know, you

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should be forming fraternities, you should be forming clubs, you

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should be forming you know, people getting together with people

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in your area, joining.

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Speaker 2: Ice do I mean yes, yeah, I mean if you

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were like I mean you refer to the Spanish Civil War, right,

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I mean, what were the other than getting the legionnaires

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over from Africa and the Moroccans and the rest of

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it with the air I mean, what was the big

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thing that determined whether a city went with the republic

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or went with the nationalists at the beginning, what happened

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with the civil Guard and what happened with the Assault

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Guard and these sorts of forces personnel's policy right, And

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it's very important that really, for the first time in

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my entire life, you have a government bureaucracy and armed

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government bureaucracy that is recruiting our type of person And

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I think you're out of your mind. If you don't

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have anything going on right now and you're looking for

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a job, you don't think about this a little bit.

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And incidentally, they're also doing another hiring thing to go

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over immigration application. So if you just want an office job,

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if you're maybe a bit older or not in the

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best shape or something, these jobs are now available too.

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What happens with these sorts of bureaucracies is going to

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be extremely critical going forward, because during the first Trump administration,

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one of the main reasons you couldn't get anything done

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is because they really botched the hiring process, and they've

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done a much better job this time. And the way

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that they're getting around the opposition of things like the

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FBI is not just decapitating at the top and putting

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one of their guys in charge, but they're essentially replacing them.

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I mean, if you look at a lot of these

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raids that are taking place against Antifah and things like that,

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it's it's ICE. Why is ICE getting involved in domestic

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law enforcement of this kind? But that's what's happening, And

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I think to some extent it's because it's the only

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armed body of guys that they can count on. So

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it's not just a question of organizing within your own

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community and a lot of the things that we've talked about.

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I mean, obviously I agree with all of that, but

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there are opportunities that are available now which I do

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not think are going to be available much longer.

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Speaker 1: That also goes to people who, you know, like make

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a more libertarian argument, and I'm not saying that this

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isn't a good argument that you know, these these kind

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of units can be used against us too. You know,

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there's a chance in the future that if you're joining

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the military, if you're joining this.

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Speaker 2: That's going to happen anyway.

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Speaker 1: Right, But the more of our guys who are in

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there can basically not de escalate, but actually be able

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to talk to people no we shouldn't be doing this,

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or just basically say no, we're not going to you know,

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we're not going to do this. You get into leadership

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positions and you can our guys can like actually have

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some power in this. And I think that when I

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say that people with who are true right wingers, they

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haven't had power in so long, they see that as

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a fantasy. They see it as something But no, it's

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not a fantasy. We're already seeing it. I mean, the

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last time we you and I talked, we talked about

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how we both know people are guys who are working

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in government right now, and they are working towards helping us,

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and there are some very targeted things that there are

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some people who are doing, some people are doing, and yeah,

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I mean that's that's another way is if you have

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people in power who are able to play defense, you know,

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and offense against our enemy, but defense against anything that

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might swing our way. That's just that just makes sense

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at this point, you know, and I don't know that

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we've seen anything like that in the past where you

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can compare that in opportunity where where your own guys

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can get in there and actually be able to. I mean,

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you could probably talk about the Bolshevik revolution going after

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their enemies and rewarding their friends. Yes, things like that,

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But well, if you if you want to talk about that,

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then use that as an example to get all get

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all of our guys friggin you know, hired into into

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the government, and let's see where this goes.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I've been thinking about a lot

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over the last few minutes because I wrote a book

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about a year ago and then I'm kind of revising

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it because so many things have changed. But also I

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think part of my thesis was wrong. I think that

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politics is the science of power, and power has to

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be at the center of everything. Power is everything. The

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solution is always power, and we have to be specific

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in our terms and be thinking about what it is

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to actually have it, because we talk about these things

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all the time, but then we never quite connect what

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we're talking about with how it actually works. I mean,

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to give one specific example, people are always complaining about

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Indians now only giving jobs to their people, and we

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complain about it like, well, it's unfair and how could

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this be happening? And there are rules and everything else,

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But it's like, but this is what power actually is.

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It's when you have control over resources that you yourself did

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not create, and you can redistribute them to whom you will.

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That is what you should always be thinking of. I mean,

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that is essentially the purpose of life is to get

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as much of that as possible and give it to

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your friends and take it away from your enemies. That's

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what it is. To provide for a family, for example.

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I mean, once you're a father with kids and a

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wife and you got to provide for a household, like

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this is what you do. This is all you think about.

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And when it comes to the military, and when it

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comes to government, and when it comes to staffing these

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sorts of positions, it is simply a fact that people,

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most people, ninety nine percent of people are going to

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follow whoever signs their paycheck and whoever gives them the orders.

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And so therefore, if you can just put yourself in

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that position, you have more ability to affect how policy

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plays out on the ground than even the most skilled

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political organizer. And so you should always be thinking in

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these terms, and on the American right because for so long,

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especially in the conservative movement, and especially on college campuses,

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which is something which I can speak with some authority

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about we've been trained that we're going to create like

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a space where there is no power because we have

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constitutions and legal guarantees and so therefore we don't have

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to really think about any of these things. But it's

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precisely in the area where you don't have the state,

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where authority is questionable, where you're not totally sure who's

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in charge, that's when political skill matters the most. It

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would be like in a post apocalyptic situation where everybody

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is running around forming militias, fighting for food or whatever else.

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That's precisely when you would need political skills. And you

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want to be in positions where if things do start

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to break down, if there is a conflict, if there

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are the kinds of jurisdictional decisions that we're seeing play

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out right now, where you have things like federal and

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state officials fighting about who has the right to enforce

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the law on a certain city. I mean, these are

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the most important political questions that there are, and you

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better believe you want these bureaucracies staffed with your guys,

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because the reason these blue cities and blue states are

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able to put up so much opposition is because they've

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made sure that the sheriffs and the police chiefs and

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the das are people that they can rely on. If

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the American right does not have people that they can

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rely on and key positions, this conflict, be it a

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kinetic one or be it a simple political one, is

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going to be over very quickly and we are not

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going to win.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about right there, being wise when it

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comes to strategy. What do you think the purpose of

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Trump and having his Justice Department go after Camy and

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Obama and all of these people.

479
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Speaker 2: I'm yeah, good, I gotta be hon And I say

480
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this as somebody who probably defends Trump way more maybe

481
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,880
than you, maybe more more of your listeners. This is

482
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,519
one of these things where I'm just sort of like,

483
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:08,440
I really don't care. I mean, going after Comy, going

484
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,880
after Obama, it's like going after COVID stuff from twenty twenty.

485
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,640
It's like, these are dead things. These are not the

486
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,000
things that matter. Now. What I want to see more of,

487
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,000
what I think would be the more important priority would

488
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
be dismantling these left wing networks that are on the ground.

489
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,640
And if you want to go after these sorts of people,

490
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,440
I would like to see what kind of law enforcement

491
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,759
decisions were made when these people were really acting up

492
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,319
in twenty twenty. I mean, we know, for example, that

493
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,200
do had FBI agents annealing to Black Lives Matter protesters

494
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,559
and some of these agents have since been fired. Well,

495
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:46,640
what kind of directors were coming from the top while

496
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,519
all this was happening. We remember, and this is something

497
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:53,200
that has been extremely memory hold. People talk about oh

498
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,440
J six and people marching on the Capitol. Do you

499
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,559
remember when the White House was basically attacked and they

500
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:00,839
were trying to pull down the Andrew accent statue, and

501
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,519
they hustled President Trump to the bunker underneath, And then everybody,

502
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:07,599
of course was making fun of him for being hustled

503
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:09,039
to the bunker, as if he had a choice in

504
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,799
the matter. I mean, the president doesn't really get to

505
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,720
decide what he wants to do in these sorts of situations.

506
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,240
And there are reports that I think it was Mark

507
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,720
Miley and Steven Miller basically got into a screaming argument

508
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,039
about what the military should be doing in these circumstances.

509
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,960
In the military more or less refused orders to put

510
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,440
down these sorts of disruptions. I'd like to see investigations

511
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,359
into these sorts of things. I'd like to find out

512
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,119
what's happening with their because this is relevant to what's

513
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,599
happening right now. And I think that I'm not against

514
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,599
obviously indicting call me, but I mean it's going to

515
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,799
go before a DC jury, and we all kind of

516
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:48,440
know how this is going to play out. I mean,

517
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:53,160
they didn't get a single acquittal with any J six defendant.

518
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,000
I think that went before a DC jury. So I

519
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,279
don't think if I'm calling, I'm sleeping soundly. I don't

520
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,960
think I have anything to worry about. And I think

521
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,640
that the political benefits from this kind of a decision

522
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,240
are much less than going after some of these other

523
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,000
groups and investigating some of these other decisions, which could

524
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,279
lead to cases all around the country, and we could

525
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,039
actually dismantle your political opposition before twenty twenty eight, which

526
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,720
is what needs to happen. I think Greg Johnson said

527
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,799
this to me a while back. One side of the

528
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,079
other is essentially going to declare the opposition illegal. It's

529
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,559
going to happen fairly quickly in the United States of America.

530
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,680
It may not be that formal, it may not be

531
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,319
that like obvious but they're just going to make it

532
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:35,559
impossible for one side to operate, and it's just a

533
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:39,359
question of whether it's going to be US or them.

534
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Speaker 1: Well, you have someone like Trump who law Fair was

535
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:47,240
just I mean, it was used as war against him

536
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:51,200
so that ye couldn't get back get back in. You know,

537
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:56,759
there are reports that Milania and Millennia was debanked. I mean,

538
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:02,640
so how does to me it looks like what the

539
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,319
battle is is the battle is against governors and mayors

540
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:13,839
and representatives who are just absolutely saying, no, this is

541
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a sanctuary city. No, you're not going to do this.

542
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And I'm one of those people who believes theoretically, I

543
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:24,839
believe in states rights. I believe states should be able

544
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to should be able to do But the way I

545
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,480
look at that is I think that my state should

546
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,720
be able to do that. You know, I think Alabama

547
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,079
should be able to do that. I don't think California

548
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or Illinois or any of these any of these just no.

549
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Speaker 2: We should actually, yeah, we should be trying to break

550
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these states up. I mean, we should be trying to

551
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,200
dismantle these networks and disrupt them at every level. There's

552
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880
no reason for California, for example, to even be one state.

553
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,359
I mean, this might be a great time to start

554
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getting behind the State of Jefferson effort and break away

555
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,240
the north. There there's no reason. There's a whole effort

556
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:01,559
to get certain counties out of the more conservative counties

557
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:05,599
here in Virginia. When you had Democratic governor, there was

558
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,319
a strong effort which was endorsed by the governor of

559
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,480
West Virginia when I was living there, for certain counties

560
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,240
in Virginia to join West Virginia. In fact, there's one

561
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,559
county I think it's Washington or Frederick here in Virginia

562
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,240
that can just straight up join West Virginia because of

563
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,920
some whatever legal thing where it doesn't have to be

564
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,160
approved by anybody and they can just do it. The

565
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,799
only reason they haven't is because basically the Republicans took

566
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over Virginia. Again. These are the sorts of things that

567
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,000
people can be doing right now, and these are the

568
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,119
sorts of things that can happen within mainstream politics. And

569
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,000
these are the sorts of things that Republicans should start

570
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,319
thinking about if they want to have creative solutions to

571
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:46,319
how can we disrupt the political opposition without basically falling

572
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,279
into the trap of being the sort of comic book

573
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,960
authoritarians that they want us to be. I do think

574
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that the arguments about state or federal autonomy, because if

575
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if you put me to the question and said, are

576
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you a federalist or an anti federalist? Who was right?

577
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,759
I'd say, yeah, the anti federalists were probably right as

578
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,920
far as the problems that would develop with the Constitution

579
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or whatever else. But that's almost beside the point. It'd

580
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,279
sort of like be asking who do you prefer, Jefferson

581
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:18,680
or Hamilton on every issue that I care about. Jefferson

582
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,480
and Hamilton would believe the exact same thing about what

583
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needs to be done and who counts as an American

584
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and who does not. That is the question that matters

585
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,720
right now, and the real issue with these governors and

586
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,240
with these representatives someone like ellin Omar to use a

587
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:39,000
very cliched and obvious example, but it's still relevant. I mean,

588
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she's a congresswoman. This is not an American. There's no

589
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reason for this person to be in any position of

590
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,000
authority over my life. That is far more intolerable than

591
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,480
anything that existed under George the Third. At least George

592
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,200
the Third was of kindred blood these people have to

593
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be denaturalized, deported, and their voters need to go too.

594
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And this has to be view almost as like an

595
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,559
anti colonial struggle in the way of the original Revolution,

596
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,599
that these are foreign interlopers that are exercising power over us.

597
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And some of those interlopers, of course physically occupy our

598
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territory and put up their own chieftains to reign over us.

599
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And then some of these other interlopers operate with power

600
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over us in a different way, especially when it comes

601
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
to foreign policy, where it's not so much the physical

602
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,119
occupation of territory and resettlement, although it is that, but

603
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,960
it's essentially subversion. And that's really what American politics is

604
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,759
about right now. I mean, the fundamental question is who

605
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:38,799
is an American? Because only somebody who is an American

606
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,319
should have any say here whatsoever.

607
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Speaker 1: If you would have told me ten years ago that

608
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you know, they're yeah, maybe even a year ago, that

609
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,640
I'll hand Omar needs to be being naturalized and all

610
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,119
these people in the I would have told you there's

611
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,839
no chance of this happening. Yet, I don't think the

612
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,240
left understands when you start shooting people there is a

613
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chance of this happening. Yeah, because you know, and I've

614
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,159
been saying for for for a few years now, the

615
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,920
future in this country is either right or left wing authoritarianism.

616
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,639
It's going to happen. And the way the left is acting,

617
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,599
they're just pushing it, and it'll happen that much quicker.

618
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,119
You know, the answer is which one, which one do

619
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,920
you prefer? I mean, I think I know which one

620
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,159
we prefer. But when you what they're pushing towards is

621
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,719
I mean, I can honestly see a time when yes,

622
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,159
these people are getting round basically getting rounded up and

623
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,599
deported and sent back to wherever they came from. It

624
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,400
just it does I mean, I don't see that. I mean,

625
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,079
it's not going to happen with American blacks, It's just not.

626
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,039
But when you have these, you know, the population like

627
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:01,639
in Minneapolis and even even deer Born and who was funny,

628
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,719
didn't Dearborn break for Trump this time?

629
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:08,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not so much that it's sort

630
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,320
of the same thing you saw in the UK, where

631
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:12,760
I mean some of them may have broken for Trump

632
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,119
in terms of how they actually voted, but what actually

633
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,719
really happened on the ground is they more broke away

634
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,239
from the Democrats in the same way that the UK

635
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,800
Muslims broke away from Labor and voted for their own

636
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,840
little independent Muslim parties and even got some of their

637
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,719
guys elected into Parliament. And that's one of the things

638
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,280
that we sort of have to deal with, is that

639
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,119
if you look at what the left is now, I mean,

640
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,320
this is something Steve Sailor has been hammering on for

641
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:42,679
very long time. The Democratic Party is essentially a coalition

642
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,760
of all of the different groups that are mobilized against

643
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,840
the American Median, the generic American Party, as Peter Brimlaw

644
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,679
used to always call them. The more distinct you are

645
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,320
from what you might call a heritage American, the more

646
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,400
likely you are to be a Democrat. And the Democrats

647
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:06,000
are able to exercise power because people who are motivated

648
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,599
by spite and resentment and collective loyalty are more politically

649
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,400
powerful in the democracy. But there is a problem, which is,

650
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,320
of course, that their collective interests do not always align

651
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,480
with each other. Obviously, American Jews and American Muslims when

652
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,360
it comes to Israel Palestine tend to have very different opinions.

653
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,239
At least older American Jews younger American Jews, maybe even

654
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,400
not so much. So you're going to have these conflicts

655
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,000
and it gets in the way of the national Party

656
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,519
being able to operate well. I think everybody sort of

657
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:41,719
understands that the current governor of Pennsylvania would have been

658
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,239
a stronger vice presidential candidate for Kamala Harris last time around,

659
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,360
but he probably couldn't have gotten the nomination purely over

660
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,559
the Palestine issue because wasn't the involved with the IDF

661
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,480
or something like that, and that's why.

662
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: He was signing bombs.

663
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,559
Speaker 2: And so. And this is something that wouldn't have even

664
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,400
been a big deal in the Democratic Party ten years before.

665
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,480
I mean, rom Emanuel, right, But now it's a thing,

666
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and it's not just going to be on Israel Palestin.

667
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:12,599
There's going to be a host of these sorts of

668
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,880
issues where there's only so many resources to go around,

669
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,360
there's only so many jobs to go around, and you

670
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,360
have certain constituencies that feel like they're entitled, especially blacks,

671
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,639
to have positions that they really aren't entitled to and

672
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,800
don't work very well for the party. I mean the

673
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,599
way black women within the Democratic Party operated to make

674
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,360
sure that Harris would not get the nomination taken away,

675
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,639
and that these people had to fall in line and

676
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,840
endorse her right away, even when a lot of them

677
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,920
really did not want to. I mean, that's a big

678
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,559
reason why twenty twenty four it was such a catastrophe

679
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,480
for that party, and you're going to see more and

680
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,559
more issues like that within the Democrats. The problem is

681
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,280
that at the end of the day, it is just

682
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,920
a question of numbers and the Republicans. It's not that

683
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,320
the Republican Party has such a great or such a

684
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,280
bad ideology. It's that if you're white, you're sort of

685
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,880
default into this position because that's where most voters are

686
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,960
and are going to go in the future. And the

687
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000
white voters that do not go there are consciously anti

688
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:20,039
white at this point. I mean, we've all seen the

689
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:24,239
studies that show white liberals actually have a negative in

690
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,639
bias against their own group. Then they're unique in every

691
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,760
group in the world in that respect. I think that's

692
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,159
only going to intensify. And even the people who say, well,

693
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,960
it's not Republican Democrat, we shouldn't vote, we shouldn't do this, that,

694
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,880
and the other thing. When it comes time to analyzing

695
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,039
political attitudes, they always default to how did Republicans vote,

696
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,320
how did Democrats vote? What were the voting patterns in

697
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,239
the last election. This really is the best metric that

698
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,440
we have. And I think that as politics becomes much

699
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,320
more focused on race, ethnicity, identity, Republicans and Democrats, that's

700
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:06,280
they just become labels of convenience for racial confederations. I

701
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,000
almost think ideology has nothing to do with it anymore.

702
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,199
Speaker 1: So when you see all of these uh like attack

703
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,800
on ice facilities things like that, and you see the

704
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,280
troops going in. There was something that happened in Atlanta

705
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,480
a few years ago, a couple of years ago. It

706
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:28,400
was an attack on cop city, yep, and they basically

707
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,039
they did a Rico round up and they all went

708
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,840
to jail. I mean there were spl law there were

709
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,440
spl C lawyers picked up in that and they all

710
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,599
went to jail. What what's keeping them from doing that?

711
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,079
Because Rico is the way to the way to do this,

712
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I mean going forward.

713
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean they might be right. I mean

714
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,480
we all have our doubts. Take that as red, but

715
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,239
you know they're they're not going to come up with

716
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,119
a Rico statue in a week. I mean, they if

717
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,760
they're going to do this. They've whatever you would expect

718
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,679
them to do in the short term. They are now

719
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,639
doing even the signs of weakness that we saw, like

720
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,559
when we had that one ICE official pushed that woman

721
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,400
to the ground and the reporters went nuts and they

722
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,440
fired them, I mean they rehired them. So you are

723
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,360
seeing that they're not just folding. It's not just talk.

724
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,079
It's a bit early, but it does have to be rico.

725
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,840
It does have to be actually dismantling these networks. It

726
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,280
does have to be going after the funding sources. President

727
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Trump has said that these things are going to happen.

728
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,440
President Trump says a lot of things, though it doesn't

729
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:36,000
me We'll see. What I think is more interesting, maybe

730
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,440
not more interesting, but is more relevant to us from

731
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,119
a strategic perspective, is for the first time in my life,

732
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:46,440
you see the left actually regarding the state as an enemy,

733
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,679
because they've already they've always theoretically regarded as an enemy.

734
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,320
They'll be oh, the CIA, the federal government, the military,

735
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,079
whatever else. But these people have never really been opposed.

736
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,440
They've already they've always kind of worked hand in glove,

737
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:03,360
even anti on cops. I've never really been opposed too much.

738
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,920
You only have to look at how things played out

739
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,800
in Charlottesville to see that. But now they have made

740
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,199
the strategic choice, and I don't think they can be

741
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,440
talked down from the ledge that we need to attack ice,

742
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,079
we need to attack cops, we need to attack these

743
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:21,000
people physically, and that is not going to end well

744
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,519
for them. I don't think it's a sound political strategy

745
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:27,119
for anybody right or left to attack the state as such.

746
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,480
It's just not a battle you can win.

747
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Well. The but the escalation once it seems like once

748
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:43,320
you reach a certain point of escalation, the I mean

749
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,760
they have an overconfidence because they've been so pretty.

750
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

751
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: So like when when they try to get somebody fired

752
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,280
now when they're like, oh you're a fascist, you're you're

753
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,599
a Nazi or not, and people are like, well end yeah, right,

754
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,639
it just doesn't work anymore. Now it seems like, okay,

755
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,840
well if they're not going to if they're embracing these terms,

756
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,199
we're just going to defaults of violence. And so I

757
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,320
don't really see I don't see a problem with them

758
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:21,199
deciding well, yeah, sure it's the state, and sure they're

759
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:21,840
doing it.

760
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: But they're doing it. I just don't think we should

761
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,039
do it. I mean, every once in a while people

762
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:27,960
will be like, people are like, oh, you know, the

763
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,559
cops aren't your friend. It's like, the cops are cops.

764
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:32,880
The cops aren't anybody's friend. The cops are the friends

765
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,719
of whoever tells them to arrest this person or that person.

766
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,199
There was a story. I can't remember the exact source,

767
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,320
but I'm just going to tell the story anyway. There's

768
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,800
a story of course during you know, during the Comps side,

769
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,679
when the German National Socialists were doing their thing in

770
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,960
Germany before they took power, and one of the lies

771
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,960
that you're told is that they, you know, they had

772
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,679
sympathy from the police and the judges or whatever else.

773
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,519
Like that was probably true in some cases, but you know,

774
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,239
these guys are getting beat up by the cops, are

775
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,559
going to arrested, they're being told they're not allowed to

776
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,480
do certain things. The cops are messing with them. And

777
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,519
I think it was Gebel's or somebody like the day

778
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:11,519
after they took power, the police chief like just kind

779
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,719
of walked in and this is the same guy who

780
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,840
is like trying to arrest him and arrest all his guys,

781
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,239
like the day before and he's like, well, what are

782
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,920
you doing, And I'm like, well, who do you want

783
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,840
us to arrest? And it was just this is how

784
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,360
it is now, this is just the nature of the beast.

785
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,760
And I think that's how it is with government bureaucracies.

786
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:33,239
It doesn't fundamentally matter to most people whether it's a fascist,

787
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,440
whether it's a communist, whether it's a Democrat, whether it's

788
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,519
a Republican. It's a question of who has the authority

789
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:43,840
to give the orders and who controls the money. And

790
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:50,079
therefore it is foolish to say entire bureaucracies or parts

791
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,519
of the government are inherently enemies and try to dismantle

792
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,000
them through force outside the state, leaving a side that

793
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,320
that's probably impossible. It's also just not really true, because

794
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,800
if you're able to capture the machinery of the state,

795
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,079
you may face resistance depending on the politics of the

796
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,559
people involved. Certainly Trump is dealt without with the FBI,

797
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,199
but by and large, most of these guys are just

798
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,800
going to do what you say, and so really what

799
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,639
you should be focused on is trying to capture the state,

800
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,400
not try to dismantle it by doing these kind of

801
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,880
ragtag terrorist attacks against random guys on the ground, who,

802
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,280
by the way, are just normal people trying to do

803
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,320
their job and probably don't have too many political considerations

804
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,079
one way or the other.

805
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Well, not to invoke TV shows or anything like that,

806
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,199
but there's this classic scene from Game of Thrones where

807
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,360
the question is asked, if you have a king, you

808
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,559
have a priest, and you have a rich man. You

809
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,360
know what you know I'm talking about, right, and yeah,

810
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,159
you know, each one looks at an assassin and orders

811
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,679
to kill the other two in which one who do

812
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:58,320
they kill who? So basically, when you look at that

813
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,679
situation right now, who do you think the average American

814
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,719
thinks has the power?

815
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what's dangerous is the average American.

816
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,079
And this is an advantage and it's a disadvantage. The

817
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,719
average American probably has some vague idea that Donald Trump

818
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,840
is in charge and has the power, and Donald Trump

819
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,400
has less power than the average American thinks he does.

820
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,960
And Donald Trump probably has less power than Donald Trump

821
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:27,159
thinks he does. I mean, Donald Trump will say things

822
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,760
occasionally like I'm running the country, I'm running the world,

823
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,079
and it's like, well, you're not really, I mean he's

824
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:36,199
facing resistance from bureaucracies, he's facing judges who say what

825
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,800
he's doing is illegal, even if it's not. He always

826
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,119
has to deal with this. And the problem, of course,

827
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:45,280
is that most people just want problems solved, and if

828
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,960
Trump can't solve those problems, even if he lacks the

829
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,400
power to solve the problems, even if he has the

830
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,440
right solution and wants to solve the problem, but he

831
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,599
just can't because he just doesn't have the power and

832
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:57,199
the system doesn't work that way, He's still going to

833
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,519
be the one who gets the blame. And this is

834
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,440
my view on the entire system, is that we're in

835
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,239
a situation now where we see these deep seated problems

836
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,920
and we see entrenched privileges that prevent us from solving

837
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,480
these problems, something like say illegal immigration. The agricultural companies

838
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:20,719
are dependent on illegal immigration. You need to get rid

839
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,360
of these people. But if you're going to do that,

840
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,840
they are going to be massive short term costs. And

841
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,239
those short term costs are not something you know, increase

842
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,079
food prices, whatever. These are not costs that any politician

843
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:33,920
is going to want to deal with. So we kick

844
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,239
the can down the road. And this is what happens

845
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,559
in every revolutionary situation. It's not that people don't see

846
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:42,079
the problems. It's not that people don't have solutions to

847
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,119
the problems. It's not that the system could not pass

848
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,159
solutions to these problems and we could just be done

849
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,840
with it. It's that the cost is always the short

850
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,880
term cost is always so great, and the benefits are

851
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,960
always so concentrated that resistance is just too much to overcome,

852
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,760
and you need somebody to come with the sword to

853
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,880
cut the Gordian knot. And our system is more or

854
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,880
less set up to prevent that from happening. And my

855
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:13,599
fear is that Trump is giving the aesthetic of somebody

856
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,960
who's going to swing the sword, who's going to be Caesar,

857
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,840
who's going to solve all these problems. But he lacks

858
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,119
not just the will. Maybe he does have the will,

859
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
but he certainly lacks the power and the capability to

860
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,400
do it. And so all that's going to happen is

861
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,639
you're going to get the reaction, the anti fascist reaction

862
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,760
against authoritarianism. You're going to whip the left up in

863
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,159
that regard, but you're also going to get the blame

864
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,000
from people who are frustrated that he can't solve the problem,

865
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:43,559
And unfortunately, there's not really a way to get around

866
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:47,760
this until the country moves into a no kidding, revolutionary

867
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,519
situation where a lot of the institutional safeguards simply fall

868
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,039
away and we can actually get to work solving the

869
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:55,239
problems that we need to solve.

870
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, isn't it is? If you if

871
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,679
you take the theory that they're elite cadres that are

872
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,639
pulling strings and competing behind the scenes, I mean, I

873
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,920
think there's like three or four, definitely three I can

874
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,199
identify that are going after Trump right now and pulling

875
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,079
them in opposite directions. I think we know which cadre

876
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,400
has been the most influential so far and has gotten

877
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,920
the most done for their group. But I think one

878
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,119
of the things that elites always fear the most is

879
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,920
revolution is that they lose. They can't leave the house

880
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:40,960
that they that you know, guillotines are pretty easy to build,

881
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,239
and they're always going to come for them first. So

882
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:53,679
I mean, what would I actually believe one of those

883
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,639
cadres is stupid enough to think revolution is a good

884
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,519
thing and that like violent revolution would actually be in

885
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,079
their favor, But.

886
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,639
Speaker 2: I mean, how do.

887
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,119
Speaker 1: Is there any way to avoid it? At this point?

888
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,480
And I'm not talking about like a widespread revolution. I

889
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:14,519
don't think there'll be widespread revolution, but I think pockets

890
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:18,920
of it everywhere. You know, your Portland's, your California's, your Illinois,

891
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,679
your places that are you know, blue and blue to

892
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,599
the point where they may not be completely blue. I mean,

893
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,159
you know, just look at Illinois. I mean, so they're

894
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,400
in Illinois is all farmland and it's all red, but

895
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,320
you have this concentrated population. How do they avoid that?

896
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: At this point? I think that the most likely outcome

897
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,639
for the country as a whole is sort of the long,

898
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,719
slow degeneration and if they're able to manage decline, which

899
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,159
is what I think leaders in the West want more

900
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,079
than anything, is they want to keep the institutions in place.

901
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,840
They want to keep the system running as advertised or

902
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,679
at least as much as possible they want. But few

903
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:07,559
outbreaks of large scale political violence that aren't just play acting,

904
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,199
you know, Occupy Wall Street type stuff where it's like, oh,

905
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,920
look they're having a demonstration about equality or whatever. Isn't

906
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,039
that cute? But nothing that really threatens anything The long,

907
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,280
slow decline is the most likely outcome, but that outcome

908
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,039
is still a lot less likely than it was ten

909
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,360
years ago. I think Fukuyama's idea that we really are

910
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,079
at the end of history is now up to question

911
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,519
in a way that it wasn't even five years ago.

912
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:38,000
And the big question becomes whether the people who the

913
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,400
elite factions of the left can keep their own radicals

914
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,519
in charge, because there doesn't seem to be a way

915
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:48,760
to talk these people down. You said earlier, what happens next, Well,

916
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,639
a lot of it depends on whether this spate of

917
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:54,239
political violence continues, because yeah, you may get another attack

918
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,559
on ice, you may get another attack on police or

919
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:58,920
something like that. But we had a lot of that

920
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,079
in twenty twenty two and that didn't even lead to

921
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:06,280
a right wing counter reaction. But the reaction to the

922
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,079
Charlie Kirk assassination has been something. You have people who

923
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:14,599
are openly celebrating it on their LinkedIn no op sect whatsoever.

924
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,400
It's never even occurred to them that they should be

925
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,840
physically afraid, or even be afraid for their careers. Openly

926
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,840
celebrating the murder of a young man in front of

927
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,960
his family and It's not hard to imagine that somebody

928
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,280
who gets all gassed up on new movie in theaters,

929
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,039
or a new TV show or video game, or political

930
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,679
speech or us on Piker giving a stream where he's

931
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,119
saying you need to kill these people or whatever else,

932
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,000
that somebody is going to get gassed up and take

933
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:48,639
a shot at somebody else. And I think that we're

934
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:53,440
only like one or two violent acts away until you

935
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,159
get into that tit for tat political violence, and that's

936
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,079
when things really start to kick off, because then you

937
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,519
start getting into questions of can you trust the justice

938
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,800
system to be impartial? Can you trust that you are

939
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,800
going to see a killer brought to justice even if

940
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,039
a lot of people in that area have political sympathy

941
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,440
with what he did, Because as we've seen over the

942
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,360
last ten years, when it comes to nonviolent political activism,

943
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,119
the answer to all those questions is no. I mean,

944
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,880
we all just kind of understand that whether you get

945
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,880
justice or not is totally dependent on what city you're

946
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,760
in and the political sympathies of the people who are

947
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,480
going to be on the jury and who are in

948
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:34,719
that area. So I think that you will probably get

949
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,280
the slow decline. You probably will not get this huge crisis.

950
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,320
You probably will not even get years of lead, let

951
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,599
alone Spanish civil war. But it wouldn't take much to

952
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:48,079
push us onto that timeline. I think it probably wouldn't

953
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,679
take us more than two or three more targeted killings.

954
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And you have a radicalized base that has access to

955
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:59,679
weaponry of millions of people, some of whom are completely

956
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:03,519
insane because they're transgender, and they're essentially just cooked from

957
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:07,239
online propaganda as well as whatever medical things they're ghosting

958
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,000
themselves with, and any number of those people could set

959
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440
the whole thing off. It could be happening right now

960
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as we're talking.

961
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Speaker 1: Well, I know you have other stuff today, so I'm

962
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,280
gonna ask you one more question. And you already touched

963
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,199
on this a little bit. How does rice play into

964
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,880
the future. I mean, people are.

965
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: This could be yeah, let me let me.

966
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: Let me throw a little more. And you know, people

967
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:38,000
are organizing locally, people are you know, they're they're trying

968
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,400
to do everything they can, and I I just see

969
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,559
that the way things are playing out. And you know,

970
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,000
you go back to everybody forgets about Shiloh Hendrix and

971
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:53,639
how important that was, and I think, you know, the

972
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:57,400
fatigue that we always talk about is setting is setting

973
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,400
in more and more every day. So what what does

974
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,360
the future look like when it comes to people just

975
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,000
living out their everyday life and just trying to survive

976
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,480
if it really does you know, if we really start

977
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,760
cooking as far as like revolutionary activity starts.

978
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: Race is the thing that people are going to come

979
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,360
to last, but it's also the most important. It's at

980
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,880
the root of everything else. And if somebody tells me

981
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,719
what religion they are, if somebody tells me what political sympathies,

982
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,519
what political ideology they have, none of that really tells

983
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,400
me very much. If they tell me about what they

984
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,239
think about race, now I know who they are. Now

985
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,639
I know who their friends are, who their enemies are,

986
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,760
how they can play out in any given situation. But

987
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,800
that said, people have a lot of things they got

988
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,559
to work through before they get to that point. And

989
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,599
right now, on the right, when you see people throwing

990
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:48,760
around labels like oh, christian nationalism, okay, which Christianity, I mean,

991
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,360
a lot of this seems attempts to be able to

992
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,119
organize tribally but not to have to touch race because

993
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:01,360
we still just don't want to do that. But to me,

994
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,000
identity is not just who you are in terms of blood,

995
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,920
and it's not just the inherent culture cultural mindset that

996
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,079
you've been brought up with. It's more than that. It's

997
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:16,280
also is socially constructed in the sense that it's what

998
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,079
power does to you. And I think San Francis was

999
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,400
fundamentally right when he said that when the enemies of

1000
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,880
the West come to kill us, it is not whether

1001
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,159
that's literally come to kill us, or whether that's in

1002
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:31,000
the political sense of confiscating our wealth and taking away

1003
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,639
our power, that kind of thing. It's not going to

1004
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:35,920
be because we're conservatives. It's not going to be because

1005
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,280
we're Christians. It's not going to be because we're Americans.

1006
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,480
It's not going to be because we're capitalists. It's going

1007
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:43,159
to be because we're white. That is what animates them.

1008
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,119
That is what unites the whole left wing coldition. Going further,

1009
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,360
that is what defines left and right. Left and right

1010
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,679
are meaningful terms in America today and the West today,

1011
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,880
because that tells me what you think about race. That's

1012
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,559
what it is to be on the right, That's what

1013
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,880
it is to be on the left. And the left

1014
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,320
is the one pushing this forward. I mean, the right

1015
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,760
is like five years behind the left as far as

1016
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,039
political radicalization goes. People talk about the radicalization of the right,

1017
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,400
but if you look at any graph where you see

1018
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,480
political extremism over time, you see that the left has

1019
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:22,199
radicalized far more quickly than the right has. The right

1020
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,000
is still more or less where it was a few

1021
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:29,519
years ago. And what we were talking about before, with

1022
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,519
some factions of the right maybe willing to accept some

1023
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,239
edgy aesthetics or maybe even the occasional edgy gesture from

1024
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,159
Mussolini or whatever else. I mean, that's still very much

1025
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:43,079
a minority, and still very much young people in situations

1026
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:44,760
where they don't think they're going to get in trouble.

1027
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:48,159
In the left, it is right out there. We need

1028
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,639
to kill these people. This is anti fascism. These people

1029
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,039
need to be silenced. Here's Mark Bray, author of the

1030
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,639
Anti Fascist Handbook, which talks about silencing Trump's supporter, is

1031
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:00,719
physically here. He is on Network News, is explaining to

1032
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,559
you why anti fascism is good. Here he is explaining

1033
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,760
to you why the Trump administration is such a serious

1034
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,800
problem to your freedom. These people are going to try

1035
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,119
to impose their will on us. If the left was smart,

1036
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,800
it would calm these people down, play for time, wait

1037
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,119
for demographics to change, and they're going to get everything

1038
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,519
they want. But I don't think they can calm their

1039
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:25,199
own people down. And I think one of the reasons

1040
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:28,039
they can't calm their own people down is because you're

1041
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,679
still in modern America, where people are looking for meaning,

1042
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:33,960
people are looking for purpose, people are looking for community,

1043
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,559
and unfortunately, one of the best ways to do that

1044
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,440
is to become an Internet hero by acting out violently

1045
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,760
in the name of some ideology, because a significant chunk

1046
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,320
of people are going to call you a hero and

1047
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,239
are going to praise you and say what you did

1048
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,639
was the right thing. I think that if we end

1049
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:55,960
up in a timeline where we do get existential political conflict,

1050
00:57:56,639 --> 00:58:00,440
it is not going to start out based on race.

1051
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,559
It is not going to start out where people are

1052
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:05,800
saying we are doing this because of race, although certainly

1053
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,760
you will see leftists saying we're doing this to fight

1054
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,159
white supremacy or whatever else. But if it really picks

1055
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:15,360
up very quickly, it will become all about race. And

1056
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,159
the metaphor that I would use, or the comparison I

1057
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:20,760
should say that I would use is the way you

1058
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,599
often bring up the Spanish Civil War. Jose Antonio Prima

1059
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,039
de Rivera, at the beginning of the Spanish Civil War

1060
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,519
fairly marginal figure in jail. The Falange was not very big.

1061
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:33,960
We only had a few thousand guys. But when things

1062
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,960
kicked off, it grew very, very very fast, and Franco

1063
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:41,199
had to almost incorporate it as a pillar of his

1064
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,280
regime and the ideological legitimacy, because when things hit the fan,

1065
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:49,039
that's what people turn to. And I think that's how

1066
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:52,280
it's going to work with white identity. We all vaguely

1067
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,159
sense that we are under attack as whites. We don't

1068
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:59,679
quite have the vocabulary to define why we should be

1069
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:02,760
allowed to defend ourselves as whites. But as the attacks

1070
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,480
continue to come, and I don't think the left can

1071
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,320
prevent itself from stopping those attacks, people are going to

1072
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,559
get more and more comfortable talking in racial terms, and

1073
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:13,760
eventually they're going to start organizing on racial terms.

1074
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,519
Speaker 1: Then how do you deal with the fact that so

1075
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:20,800
many of the people that are against so many of

1076
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,119
the people that are calling for white death are white,

1077
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,880
that they are considered allies. And you know, I know

1078
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,599
a lot of people who listen to my show right

1079
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:31,960
now are going to go they're not white man, you

1080
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,639
know what they are?

1081
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: Right right? I'm not aside from those people, yes, aside

1082
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,480
from that, Yeah, I think these.

1083
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,639
Speaker 1: People are white, right.

1084
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: I think that the most obvious thing is, like what

1085
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:45,920
I said before, when you look at liberal whites, they

1086
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,880
have a negative ingroup bias. Yes they are white. But

1087
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,559
it's the same way that there were certain capitalists who

1088
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,119
favored the Bolshevik Revolution, that there were aristocrats who went

1089
00:59:56,119 --> 01:00:00,440
along with the French Revolution. They consciously see the themselves.

1090
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,880
They will tell you that they are anti white. They

1091
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,039
will see what they are doing as a noble sacrifice.

1092
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,360
They somewhere in the back of their mind probably expect

1093
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,599
to be able to maintain personal power and status throughout

1094
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,360
this revolutionary process. But as far as their political activism goes,

1095
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,039
they still think that they are ultimately opposing whiteness, which

1096
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:25,320
is a moral and just thing to do. Now, what

1097
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,199
happens to them to some extent is not really our concern.

1098
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,159
I think of the brother of the king in the

1099
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:35,280
French Revolution, Philip A. Galatea right, who went along was

1100
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,880
basically indispensable toward getting the revolution off the ground, changed

1101
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,599
his name Jettison to his title, changed his last name

1102
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,480
to Equality, and what ended up happening. He ended up

1103
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,360
getting guillotined because at the end of the day, you

1104
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,000
are what you are. And as these ideologies are taken

1105
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:57,159
to their logical conclusion, nobody trusts a trader, even the

1106
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:03,079
people who benefit from that treason. And so white people

1107
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:07,320
who say they are anti white, they're just enemies. I mean,

1108
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,280
traders are a thing, and traders have always been a thing.

1109
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:16,079
And what motivates a trader, whether it's a misguided sense

1110
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,719
of short term gain, whether it's a misguided moral sense,

1111
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,679
whether it's simply sadism or spite, doesn't really matter to me.

1112
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:30,239
I mean, there's only one way to deal with traders.

1113
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,079
Speaker 1: All right, Kevin Deanna, tell everybody where they can find

1114
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:34,119
your work right now.

1115
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: Well, you can find it at American Renaissance. That's amrend

1116
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,719
dot com. That's where all my articles and that's also

1117
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:44,239
where every episode of Identity Politics is published. On Odyssey

1118
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,400
and Rumble. We'll try it on YouTube for now, let's

1119
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,000
see how long that lasts, and then on x you

1120
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,360
can find me as vdare Jamescat.

1121
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: Always appreciate it.

1122
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thank you for having me on.

1123
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:55,880
Really appreciate it.