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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

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love to hear from you. So, Molly, the big story

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today is this new Atlantic piece that's come out that

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makes all kinds of new accusations, most of them anonymous,

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about Donald Trump. Explain to readers why this is important

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and explain the context.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So a news story dropped on Tuesday night from

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The Atlantic by its editor Jeffrey Goldberg, and it's very

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similar to a story that Jeffrey Goldberg authored in two thousand,

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actually in early September, I think two thousand, right ahead

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of the election. So that story claimed that Donald Trump

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secretly different than his public persona and different than everything

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you'd ever heard about him from everyone whoever interacted with him,

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secretly didn't like the pomp and circumstance of the military,

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and secretly hated American soldiers, and secretly was doing what

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he could to avoid interacting with him. That story was

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completely blown up. It was based around Donald Trump supposedly

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refusing to go to einmarn Cemetery in France for no

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other reason than he hated American soldiers who had died.

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Now almost immediately, well, no, totally immediately, you had about

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two dozen people refute this story, including contemporaneous documents from

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the military basically forbidding any transport of the president at

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that time because of weather conditions in France. And you

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also had people who Donald Trump, like John Bolton, saying

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I was in the room and that's not what happened.

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And literally like two dozen people said Jeffrey Goldberg's story

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supposedly based on four anonymous sources, was just not true.

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Those anonymous sources never revealed themselves, the twenty four never

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changed their story, so it was like a complete information operation.

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Chris Wallace actually asked about it in one of the

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debates as if it were true, even though it never

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had any substantiation. And it was a huge, huge hit

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against Trump during the twenty twenty campaign cycle. So Yesterday's

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hit was much less effective, but it was along those lines.

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So it begins with a story of a soldier who

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had died and Donald Trump offering to pay for the

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funeral expenses of that soldier.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a soldier.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I just read it, and I'm not remembering which

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branch this person was in, and supposedly giving a racial

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epithet when he refused to pay for this funeral. And

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then a bunch of people claiming that Donald Trump admires

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doesn't know anything at all, unlike these generals who were quoted,

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who know everything but somehow still lose all of the

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American wars. But he doesn't know anything about the military.

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And these these generals and advisors, they have to explain

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basic stuff to Donald Trump. And again almost immediately people

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start coming out and saying either that it's not true

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or that they told Jeffrey Goldberg it wasn't true and

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he lied about it in the piece. So the family

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of the dead soldier comes out and says, this isn't true.

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Donald Trump always spoke. It was always like, so wonderful

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to us during our time of grief. I voted for

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Donald Trump today, you know that kind of thing. And

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then you had all people who were in the room saying, yeah,

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I was there, that didn't happen. It's just the same

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Jeffrey Goldberg thing again right.

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Speaker 1: The name of the soldier was Vanessa Gillone I think

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is how you pronounce it, and her sister, I think,

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came out yesterday and said this wasn't true. Donald Trump

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was great, a voted for him today and so on.

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But also other people, other people came out and said

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it wasn't true. Anyway, when you write a story and

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one anonymous source says something is true or too even

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but doesn't say it isn't, you don't write the dozens.

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Speaker 2: Who are on the record, who are putting their name

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and their face and their background and their credibility on

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the line in a way that anonymous people are unable

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to do because they're anonymous.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I want to just unpack this story. So

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the piece that was published yesterday by Jeffrey Goldberg is long.

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It goes through all kinds of separate accusations about how

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terrible Trump is, and then you know, occasionally you'll throw

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in something new, and if you read it closely, you'll

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notice that a lot of people are on the record

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saying bad things about Donald Trump, like John Kelly. But

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when it gets to the accusation, for instance, that Donald

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Trump was really impressed and wanted generals that Hitler had,

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which is one of the accusations in here, suddenly becomes anonymous.

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journalists do. They'll load up a story with a lot

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of names, but when it comes to some kind of

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really ugly charge, they'll use anonymous sources. Which makes me

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laugh because who is going, like, why do you need

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to be anonymous when you're a journalist. You only give

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anonymity to people because there's some kind of because they

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might be in danger, or that there's some kind of

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national security risk. Like, there are reasons that you do it.

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what happened in the last Atlantic story, right when the

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Suckers on Loser story. So anyway, when I posted on

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this estory on Twitter, a bunch of people came and

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told me, actually, the Atlantic story, the anonymous source at

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forward and was John Kelly, so he was the chief

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of staff hates Trump, and that's fine, you can hate Trump.

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But the funny thing about that is they all appointed

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me to the CNN story where Jake Tapper says John

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Kelly confirms suckers and Loser story. But when you read

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the wording there, he doesn't confirm anything. He repeats it,

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he doesn't say I heard it. But last night a

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new story came out in an interview which magically coincided

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with this Atlantic piece with John Kelly. Imagine that, and

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it says it again, asked John Kelly supposedly about this

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losers and suckers, and he says, this is how the

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this is how the text is confirming a statement he

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gave CNN last year. So that statement did not, as

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we had just mentioned, confirm anything. Mister Kelly said that

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on multiple occasions, mister Trump told him that those American wounded, captured,

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or killed in actions were suckers and losers. So now

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all of a sudden, it's numerous times Donald Trump's walking

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around saying suckers and losers about the military all the time.

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Yet there is not a single other person who has

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heard or seen this. And then he says, I just

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want to quote this. The time in Paris was not

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the only time that he ever said it, mister Kelly said,

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and then he goes on to say that he said

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it ut other times, but he never I just want

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to point out, says I heard him say it in Paris.

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Why can't they ask him, did you personally hear Donald

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Trump in Paris say these words? And let John Kelly

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say says he heard them or not. Point is John Kelly.

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Everyone's like, he's a you know, he's a general and

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he was a you know, this veteran. He would never lie.

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Of course he could lie. I mean he may think

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that Donald Trump. Listen, I try to be respectful of

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people in the military, but that doesn't mean they're all

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perfect people, or they can't lie, or they're not political.

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He thinks Donald Trump's a fascist. He says it over

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and over again, and I think he could rationalize lying

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about this. I don't believe that Donald Trump walked around

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and I have a low opinion of him sometimes. I

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don't think you'd walk around saying oh, soldiers are suckers

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and users over and over again in the White House.

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That's insane. No one believes that, and there is no

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other witness to it. And how many people in that

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administration hated Donald Trump and having come forward and said that,

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sorry for my rant.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's really interesting, and I want to see

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what he's saying now, because you are absolutely right that

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Jake Tapper's story supposedly confirming that John Kelly was the

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one who leaked this thing happened. It never did that.

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It said John Kelly was quoted saying what else could

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I say then that which has already been said, that

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he does this and he does that. So he just

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like repeated all these anonymously sourced claims and he didn't

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take them for himself. So are you saying he is

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now admitting he's the person who made this claim.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's always so cryptic because again, here's

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the wording confirming a statement he gave to CNN last year. Okay,

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so the statement, as we just discussed, does not actually

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admit that he was there. Then he goes into saying

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that on multiple occasions, mister Trump told him personally that

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those Americans wounded captures are killed or losers and suckers.

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So I'm not saying like he's saying that Donald Trump

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has said this to him on multiple occasions. And you know,

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and can I just take another step back. If this

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is true and he is the source of this, why

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was he anonymous in the original story. Why couldn't he

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come forward? He was against Trump in twenty twenty, he

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came out against him publicly all the time. Why couldn't

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he give his name to this story? And let me

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ask you another question. You know very well then journalism.

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You don't run with a story that has one single

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anonymous source. That's not how we do it. And so

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I just find the whole thing really gross. I think

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Jeffrey Goldberg is just a complete utter hack. He's always

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been an Obama I don't know what you'd call it,

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a soldier in the Obama army. You know, those obsequious

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interviews he used to do with him, the leaks that

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came out of there, And you know, I don't know.

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I think people are far more skeptical of this sort

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of thing this election and last. So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: So I do want to say something that I remember

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a listener of ours reminding us of when we discussed

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John Kelly previously, which is that he is himself a

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gold star father, and I do think that one can

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be one can feel very badly for him that he

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has lost his own child in American conflicts, and that

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that might play into this. Right now, I cannot imagine

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what it would be like to lose a child, and

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there could be some trauma that he's.

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Speaker 3: Experiencing or something like that. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But when I interviewed Donald Trump about this, when I said,

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what was like the what was the falsehood that most

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bothered you, he said it was this one, this one.

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he said this in a room full of people, all

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of whom denied it. By the way, this might be

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why John Kelly is willing to make the claim or

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partake in the information and operation but not be specific,

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because he would know that other people would know that

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he himself was lying about an incident. He's saying, Trump said,

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so you're telling me that I make this claim in

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a room full of generals, and they don't like walk out,

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they don't get enraged, they don't beat me up like

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I'll just point out that the einmarn Cemetery visit was

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in the year twenty eighteen, and John Kelly remained chief

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of staff until some time in twenty nineteen. So if

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it happened, why would have John Kelly not immediately quit

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Speaker 1: That's one of the questions I would have asked him

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if I was a real you know, a real reporter,

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would have asked him in an interview. I mean, I

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would ask him yes or no? Did you hear Donald

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Trump say this in Paris? And who elsewhere were you?

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Speaker 2: Who else was there? What other witnesses? Oh, this was

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a secret conversation. You say it happened many times? Was

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he always secretly telling you a gold star father that

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he hated your son?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Is that really what happened? Are you sure about it?

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Speaker 1: No one will ask him that. It's always cryptic. And

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listen all the other stuff. I think he's a fascist. Whatever.

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it just greats against me because against my view of

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how journalism should be. Well, sorry, no, no, you were saying,

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it's shocking, even after all these years, it's just shocking

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that this goes on.

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Speaker 2: I was going to make this point about some of

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the people who are refuting what Jeffrey Goldberg wrote, and

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I'm so glad you mentioned that he has longtime problems.

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falsehoods in order to launch the Iraq War. Gosh, it's

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almost like there's a there's like a thread here between

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all these things. Donald Trump, hero of the actual military,

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but not liked by the military leadership who have lost

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every war for decades and have not you know, who

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have dishonored our military. Gosh, the establishment and the regime

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really seems to not like Donald Trump, and the Iraq

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it's like there's some similarity here between all this stuff.

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and he had said, you know, as for this quote,

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whatever this one quote, and it might I think it

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might have been the one about I hate I hate

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dead Mexican soldiers, which has been refuted by the family.

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Ben Williamson said that didn't happen. Like that didn't happen.

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witness in the room, and he says that didn't happen.

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Goldberg writes it up as he didn't recall hearing it. Now,

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saying that didn't happen is not the same thing as

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saying I don't remember him saying that.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a lie. That's a lie. If I say

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that didn't happen and you say, oh, so you don't

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recall hearing it, Because don't recall hearing it implies that

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it was said and you just didn't hear it. It's

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a completely different statement.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings, Christine blasi

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Ford claimed she had witnesses for her her claim of

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an attack by Brett Kavanaugh when they were in high school,

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and everyone said they didn't recall, but one of the

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witnesses actually changed her position from I don't remember that too.

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I actually know that didn't happen. You know, she like

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asked about it. Initially she said, oh my gosh, I

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don't remember that at all, and like that how horrible,

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and I feel so badly that I wasn't there for

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my friend. And then after she spent a few months

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that summer. She's like, oh, actually, no, that didn't happen,

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and I got witness tampered to say it happened. You know,

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those are differences, and they were huge differences because that

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was the only new piece of information that came out

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in between the end of the confirmation hearings, and then

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when Jeff Flake had that extra week tacked on for

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an FBI investigation, that was the only additional piece of

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information that came out. And all these Democrat senators came

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out of the skiff and they were like crestfallen that

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they had an extra week and all they learned was

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that Christine Blasi Ford's team had witnessed hampered with someone.

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better for the unsubstantiated claim. Then when the actual thing

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came out, it was like, it didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if someone asked me what he was doing, yeah,

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first of all, we don't know how he posed because

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said people have said that Trump said these things. So

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then you're like, well, I don't remember that that's what

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would think about it more, and I think about the situation.

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Obviously I could change my mind. I just wanted to

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point out as well, this happened supposedly four years ago

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or more, and why didn't we talk about this four

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years ago? Where was John Kelly four years ago talking

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about this? Where were these anonymous sources about I mean,

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I don't want to pay for this Mexican's funeral. That's

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supposedly what Trump said. Seems like a pretty big story.

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Where were these people four years ago? All of a sudden,

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two weeks before the election, now everyone remembers this. I mean,

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it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: So I do want to say that while I have

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no doubt that the New York Times, no propaganda outlets,

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CNN will be going whole hog on this story for

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the remaining two and a half or nearly three weeks.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's nearly three weeks.

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Speaker 2: I in my mind had it at two weeks, and

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I was like, I can make it two weeks.

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Speaker 1: I wish it was two weeks. I wish it was

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one day it was over.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll go crazy with it. It actually did drop

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later than the original Jeff Goldberg story that was made

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up about ein marn Cemetery, so they had more like

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two plus months to play with that one, whereas here

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they have three weeks, so it's it's later. I think,

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I bet, I have no doubt in fact that they

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wanted to drop this at the same time they dropped

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the twenty twenty story so that it could be used

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in debates in town halls and stuff like that. But

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do you remember what Donald Trump did at Arlington? No,

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he visited Arlington Cemetery on the anniversary of the Abbey

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Gate killing, the bombing with the families of those who

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were killed under the disastrous Afghan withdrawal policy. And do

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you remember how people lost their ever living minds over this?

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And it was weird because you're like, I think he

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should be able to go to Arlington with the family

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of the dead, and it's a good way to honor

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these people on the anniversary of their death. And by

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the way, you know, Joe Biden had just said that

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nobody died under his watch in the military or something

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like that, and you know, Kamala Harris hasn't mentioned their names,

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and he just it's a really good opportunity to highlight

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Donald Trump's love of the actual troops versus what Biden

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has done with them. And he goes to visits and

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people lost their minds and they're like, you're not allowed

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to go to a cemetery and you're evil and you

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were you were shoving people and you you know, they

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just came up with these like crazy, insane things that

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Donald Trump was supposedly doing. And it was because it

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was such an active counter to Jeff Goldberg's information operations.

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and then they couldn't because it would have looked exactly

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like you know, it just would have. It would have

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They needed to get some distance between his very effective

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visit to Arlington.

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Speaker 1: The visit we're talking about it and talking about those

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soldiers who died needlessly. Always reminds me that Mark Millie

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should be in jail, and he's you know, in cohoots

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with Kelly. I think in this sort in spreading these

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sort of rumors, I can't obviously prove it. I just

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always sense it when he's speaking. But not only did

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he you know, the Afghan withdrawal stuff. But remember in

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twenty twenty Mili called the Chinese the Chikoms, the communists

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are probably our biggest enemies in the world, and told

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them not to worry, you know, about any kind of

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anything because he would just defy the president's orders, which

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just completely in my view sedition right. I mean, I

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don't really know how else to frame that, but you know,

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it's Donald Trump, say, anyone that is allowed to do

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anything they like.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I don't think I should talk about

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how I feel about it because my feelings are so

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strong on the market MILLI stuff.

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Speaker 1: But go on, what a failure he is. I mean,

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what a failure, What a failure? That Afghan withdrawal was

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not I'm fine with leaving Afghanistan, but the way it

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was done for political purposes, the timing of it, all

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that just you know, was terrible. I think that was

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probably the beginning of the end of Biden's presidency. So

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I want to ask you, do you think what do

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you think do you think this story will be effective?

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Do you think it's gonna help Kamala? I mean, what

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do you do you think it's I think it was

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pretty effective last time. I mean, it was a story,

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it was spread far and wide by the way. I

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just want to mention this. The Hunter laptop story was

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censored by every major news organization because they said they

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hadn't personally verified the information, though the Post had done

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great journalistic work. This story, which has no journalistic work done,

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is now on every I looked it up. It's on

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every virtually every outlet. It's MSNBC, CNN, you know, on

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and on every single one. I mean, I don't know

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how these people live with themselves. I really don't.

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Speaker 2: You remember Leslie Stall in her sixty minutes interview with

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Trump in twenty twenty, she was like, I can't talk

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about the Hunter Biden laptop because that's unverified. It was like, well,

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that would have been an interesting approach to take to

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the Russia collusion hoax that was never verified and in

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fact was made up that you went crazy with for years.

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And also the Hunter Biden laptop was verified because you

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had people who were found on the laptop saying yes,

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that's my email, and yes I received that email, and

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you know it was all checking out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had a receipt from the company that

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had a Punter's signature on it. It was They did

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a lot of journalism there but the.

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Speaker 2: Question, by the way, I got to meet the woman

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who broke that story.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Joe Morris, and she was super cool.

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Speaker 2: She was at an event I was at New York

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last week, and it was I really wanted to meet

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her because it took a lot of I want to

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say cajones, but that's not the right word for a

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woman who, you know, showed a lot of courage. That's

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the word to write and report that story and withstand

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all the pressure. And she she did a great job

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with them. But your question was how much of an

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effect will it have? And I think that this is

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one of these issues where we're seeing problems caused by

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the siloing of Americans into different media bubbles, and so

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I think it was David sach sent out a clip

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of Nora O'Donnell yesterday just doing a state of the race,

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and in the in the presentation she gave to her viewers,

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the state of the race was that Kamala Harris was

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closing really well because she had gotten a very popular candidate,

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a very popular politician named Liz Chain, who was a

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high ranking Republican, she said, who was very beloved and

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she was campaigning with her and they were talking about

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the threat that Donald Trump is and that Donald Trump

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had been struggling and he was staging photo ops and

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he was mumbling and he was weird and you know,

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and he was a threat to democracy and it was

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it was crazy. I mean, what she said sounded insane,

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But then you realize, like this is what they've been

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presenting to their low information viewers for months years. These

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are people who really have been kind of like probably

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whipped into a frenzy by Nora O'Donnell, a woman who

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just hosted a debate, by the way, you know, Like again,

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I don't even understand how they let not just like

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Democrat activists, but actual propagandists, quote unquote moderate a debate.

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Nothing makes me hate the Republican Party and want it

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to die more than that they keep doing debates with

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crazy propagandists and then nothing happens as a result. Anyway, Sorry, So, like,

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if you talk to some of these low information like

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corporate media viewers and listeners and readers, they have a

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crazy understanding of what's happening in the race. They actually

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think that Donald Trump is senile. They think that Joe

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Biden wasn't senile. But Donald Trump is like, they're just

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getting really weird information. And so I'm a little worried.

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Speaker 3: It looks like.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's on track for a victory. And I'm a

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little worried about what these people who have been informed

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by corporate media are going to think about.

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Speaker 1: That about that if Donald Trump wins.

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Speaker 2: You mean, well, just think about how I actually just

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I took a There's this guy named Isaac Arnsdorf who

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writes at the Washington Post. And it's kind of crazy

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that he writes at the Washington Post because he's a

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crazy activist. He came from Pro Publica, which is this

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like demic crap propaganda media outfit that does like one

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hundred and eight stories on Clarence Thomas's wife. You know,

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they're really well funded by oh yeah, big money Democrats.

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So his name is Isaac Arnsdorf. I find him interesting

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because he so he covers Maga for the Washington Post,

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and he just wrote a book called like Maga is

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going to Destroy Democracy. I think maybe if you write

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a book with that title, you shouldn't be presented as

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a reporter of these people. You should be allowed to

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report on these people. But he is a longtime reporter

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who's like BFFs with that guy who published the Dobbs leak? Right,

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and sorry, who's that guy at Politico who Publitician?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember, Sorry it.

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Speaker 2: Was I think there were two reporters, and he's like

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BFFs with one of them. He was at his wedding

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very close. They worked together at Politico. And Isaac's wife

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is Elizabeth Deutsch, who is a pro abortion activist who

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clerked for Stephen Bryer the year of the Dobbs League. Anyway,

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he is yesterday, The Washington Post tweets out. Republican nominee

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Donald Trump has been making more frequent verbal mistakes as

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he increases the pace of campaigning.

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Speaker 3: This month, he.

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Speaker 2: Had multiple slip slip ups at Tuesday's rally in Greensboro,

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North Carolina. It's like, what the heck are you even

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talking about? Right, Like we've got Kamalin Harris and her

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weird hand signals and her you know, circular verbal style

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which doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Get written about in the Washington Post. And then the.

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Speaker 2: Evidence for these verbal slip ups. It was insane, Like

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I actually read the piece and it's like he said,

479
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those fries, those fries are so good. They come out

480
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so hot from that thing, that thing that makes the fries.

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And Isaac Grenstorff is like he appeared to loose do

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not know the name friar. It was like or he

483
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was talking like Donald Trump boys talks and has talked

484
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for like all forty years that I've been paying attention

485
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to him, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would say that he speaks the same way he's

487
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always spoken, which is sometimes a war on syntax, but

488
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you know, generally, you know, it's then what it is.

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Speaker 2: And then instead of calling the front row people front

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row Joe's, he called them front row jacks. Like I

491
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,319
don't even know what that phrase means anyway, And I

492
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don't think this is like this was worthy of real

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estate at the Washington Post that he said the fries

494
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were good and the front row people were awesome. Like

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if you've ever reported on a Trump rally, you know

496
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this is like it's a whole symbiotic like crowd interaction thing.

497
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If you're not getting it in near twenty twenty four,

498
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you should be fired from any journalism job, and you

499
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should also like get a wellness check.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, by the way, how is the Dobbs investigation

501
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leak investigation going. Did they find that person yet? No?

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Speaker 3: No one?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: So oh.

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Speaker 2: Here are Isaac Hnsdorf's last seven stories at the Washington Post.

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Trump attacks Harris with racist stereotype and eyes extreme power

507
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as president. I'll just pause here and say, guess what

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the racist stereotype.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, what is it? So

510
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it's a it's a.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was talking about how Kamala Harris is just

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like taking the day off of the campaign trail yesterday,

513
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and he called her lazy.

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Speaker 3: That's it's I'd say, some stereotype.

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Speaker 1: I just say that I think actually she is quite lazy.

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And I mean I was thinking about this the other day.

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Speaker 2: Isaac Wrensdorf is not going to like you talking with

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those racist stereotypes.

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Speaker 1: I mean that I don't think she's serious person. I

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don't think she's ever went a lot of times her

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answers not a lot of times. Ninety five percent of

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the time her answers don't make any sense. Is because

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she actually doesn't know anything about the topics. I think

524
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she has been lazy in her life in the sense

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that it's all about gaining power. It's never about thinking

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about anything in a serious way. So I think she's

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intellectually lazy. Just wanted to throw that in there. If

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that's racist, I apologize it. I don't mean it that way.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The next one, Trump refuses to denounce threats to FEMA

531
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and doubles down on falsehoods. These are presented as news stories.

532
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Trump serves McDonald's fries to supporters in stage managed campaign.

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Speaker 1: Stop, we have to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Trump fixates on Arnold Palmer as all Man in showers

535
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during profane rally.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that. I don't think we

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can really go on.

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Speaker 2: Faldy Mike derails Detroit rally as Trump court City.

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Speaker 3: He insults.

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Speaker 2: Trump criticized for comparing January sixth defendants to World War

541
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two Japanese internment. Trump delivers profanity below the belt digs

542
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at Catholic charity banquet. So this, if you're reading the

543
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Washington Post, you're about to be shocked in a couple weeks,

544
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,240
right Like, how could someone who this is it is

545
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,759
all true of? How could he possibly be about to

546
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win the presidential election?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like, it's just misinforming people about the basics of the race.

549
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None of this is important, None of this is actually news.

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Speaker 3: It's all just complete propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, will I will I get in trouble if

552
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I read the quote about Arnold Palmer. I mean it's

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the present.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 1: No, we don't have to. We could cut this out.

556
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But I could not stop laughing when I read this.

557
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This guy that was all man. The man was strong

558
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and tough, and I refuse to say it, he says,

559
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he refused to say. He just but when he took

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showers with other pros, they came out of there and

561
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they were like, oh my god, that's unbelievable. This is

562
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a former president of the United States talking here, my lord.

563
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Speaker 2: But that's actually a great example of why people enjoy

564
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going to Trump rallies. Is it's so I remember this

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with Mark, and I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but

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you know, Mark used to just be a guest at

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reading these quotes in the Washington Post about what Trump

568
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had said, and then he went to the Susan B.

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Anthony List dinner where Donald Trump spoke, and it was

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a beautiful evening and it was a beautiful speech, but

571
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it was also like just really funny, and it was

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his first time actually seeing him in person.

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Speaker 3: That way, I think maybe.

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Speaker 2: Since the convention and he was like, oh, I get

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it now, Like he's just really funny.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I mean, he's funny. He's an entertainer. He

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was incredible. Like he's not known because he's a you know,

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he was a real estate magnet. I mean, that's part

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of it. But he was always entertaining. And I just

580
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saw a clip I'd never seen before in SNL where

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he plays a janitor and someone else does Trump, and

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you know, he's making fun of himself. And I think

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that's a that's a quality that people like I. You know,

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this is why I think perhaps other you know, Hispanic

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men or black men are more likely to vote for

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him because they see him as someone they don't seehim

587
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,480
as this threatening would be Hitler. They see him as

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someone who's kind of funny and someone they can relate

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to or understand in a way, even though he's a

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billionaire and all of that. So I think that's part

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of it.

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Speaker 4: Who is the Department of Home Win Security supposed to

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Speaker 5: Majorcas is saying FEMA's running out of money. But this

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past year we spent twenty four billion in Ukraine, eleven

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billion in Israel, and billions more to smaller nations who

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are their real priorities.

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Speaker 4: Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

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it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

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Speaker 2: So the Arnold Palmer quote has been an absolute obsession

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of Jake Tappers. He constantly talks about it on his programs,

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and he was interviewing Speaker of the House Mike Johnson

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on Sunday and he brought it up like four times

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in a minute. And Johnson, who, whatever you want to

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say about him, seems like a really nice dude. He's

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like you seem obsessed with Ard homers manhood.

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Speaker 3: And it was great.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, speaking of obsession, So this whole week, maybe two weeks,

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I don't know how long we're going to be obsessing

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the media, the Maid and me. You know, establishment media

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is going to be obsessing about this Atlantic story. Yesterday, Okay,

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the day this came out the President of the United States,

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Joe Biden. I know, people forget he's still president. He said,

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we need to lock up Donald Trump. He said we

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need to lock up Donald Trump. That should be a

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massive story. Has a president since maybe I don't know

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Andrew Jackson ever said we need to lock up the

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opposing candidate of the other party. I don't think I've

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ever heard anyone come close to that. That should be a

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massive story.

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Speaker 2: It should be I actually have heard someone come close

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to it, and it's Joe Biden. I mean, it's one

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of these things I find very frustrating about media coverage

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of Joe Biden's law fair against his primary political opponent,

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Donald Trump. As they say, oh, you know, he stayed

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completely out of the Department of Justice's goings on. That's

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just flat out not true. In gosh, when was it.

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I think it was in twenty twenty I get my

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years confused. Maybe it was twenty twenty three. Oh my gosh,

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I'm moving on. He said in a front page story

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of The New York Times. It was like, Joe Biden

638
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isn't saying anything publicly. He's just having two people leak

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to the front page of the New York Times that

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he's very frustrated with Merrit Garland for not locking up

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his political opponent. You know, it's like, if you think

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that having your two top aides have the New York

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Times published something like that on the front page, isn't

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directing the Department of Justice to get a special council

645
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going like, you're insane. If Trump had said something like that,

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or even if he said anything like one one hundredth

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like that, they were like, he's directly obstructing justice and

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interfering with elections. And Joe Biden pressured Merrit Garland against

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his better judgment to appoint a special council to go

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crazy on Donald Trump. That special council has gone crazy

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on him. He's had one of his cases thrown out.

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He's the net effect of the Jack Smith cases has

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been to greatly expand pres executive authority, which is not

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you know, I think what it goes to the Supreme

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Court and they're like, well, we've always had this kind

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of nebulous understanding of executive authority, but if you want

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us to look at what the Constitution actually says, Yeah,

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obviously the president has oversight of the Department of Justice

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and can direct stuff there, and he's had Jack Smith

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going crazy with trying to do a paper trial against

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Trump before the election, Joe Biden's number three at the

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Department of Justice left to go prosecute one of the

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cases in New York. Like, Joe Biden's been all over this,

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So it's not shocking, but you're right, it's absolutely major

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news and it should be covered.

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Speaker 1: Also, this idea that Joe Biden needs to pick up

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a phone and explicitly tell Mary Garland something is ridiculous.

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You know, there are other ways to get people to

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do things in government, and I'm sure no.

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Speaker 2: One rid me of this meddlesome priest.

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Speaker 1: The other point on this I wanted to make is

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that yesterday, also as we're obsessing about the Atlantic article,

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Kamala Harris said that abortion was a fundamental right, but

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the rest of the First Amendment she didn't call a

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fundamental right. And she said the rest.

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Speaker 2: But the First Amendment is not because abortion is not

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in the First Amendment right.

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Speaker 1: No, what I mean is when. But because the question,

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and I don't have the exact wording in front of me,

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is what about an exception for people who don't want

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in religious hospitals for thans who don't want to perform abortions.

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So she talked about abortion as a fundamental right, but

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religious freedom, which is part of the First Amendment, as

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not one. And I'm just saying that she has supported

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bills that forced Catholic hospitals and others to perform transgender

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you know whatever. It's called surge of mutilation and abortions.

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So I'm just saying that that, to me, is a

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massive story that she doesn't believe in the First Amendment,

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far more important than some stupid stuff that Trump allegedly

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said five four years ago.

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Speaker 2: If I could just pause for a second a note

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that that interview. I didn't watch it from start to finish,

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but I saw a bunch of clips on Twitter, which

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is my primary way of getting news these days. And

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did you think that interviewer did a good job?

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Speaker 1: I only saw clips. I only saw clips, and it

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was hard to say.

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Speaker 2: I don't I want to watch the whole thing before

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I make a full pronouncement. But I was very pleasantly surprised.

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I'm notoriously critical of reporters to make themselves the center

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of the interview and who get like snippetty and interrupting

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and whatnot. She asked tough questions that elicited really interesting responses,

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and she was polite but like had done her work.

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And I really just I never I almost like never

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compliment journalists on their interviews. But I thought it was

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a good a good job she did, at least the

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parts I saw. And that is a great example. She's like, so,

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you know, you're you're making abortion a centerpiece of your campaign.

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Well or actually it was like in the context of

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would you be a president for all people?

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Speaker 3: Would you?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: She said, like two, would you pardon Trump if you

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were elected? And she refuses to say anything, and she's like,

716
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,599
because that would be a way to unite the country.

717
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:46,880
And then they're talking about, you know, uniting the country,

718
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,440
and she said, you know, would you have any concessions

719
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,519
on your you know, abortion policy, you know, would you

720
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:58,440
be willing to work with anybody, say on conscience protections,

721
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:02,119
you know, religious objections, And she's like no, And that's

722
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,960
a hugely interesting story. I mean, Kamala Harris has had

723
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,079
a very curious religious.

724
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: Campaign right now.

725
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, you know, when someone shouted out something religious Christian

726
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,440
at her rally, She said, I think you're at the

727
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,559
wrong rally. She didn't show up at the Al Smith dinner,

728
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,840
which all candidates show up to usually.

729
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: Her surrogates have.

730
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,079
Speaker 2: Been out there kind of making fun of Roman Catholics

731
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:24,920
and other Christians.

732
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Speaker 1: They hate Catholics. Sorry, remember, she said. She asked the

733
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:36,360
Judicial point were nominee about his membership in the secret

734
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,199
society of the Knights of Columbus Do you remember this

735
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,480
at like twenty nineteen and how it made him unable

736
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:43,000
to serve?

737
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,119
Speaker 2: About time we come after those Knights of Columbus their

738
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:50,800
fish fries. Oh this, the Knights of Columbus fish fry

739
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,079
in my hometown remains the best fish fry I've ever

740
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,119
been to. They just really had an excellent batter recipe.

741
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:03,920
But anyway, but this was a huge thing, and it's

742
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,360
a it's a threat to people who are you know,

743
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,440
there are these different groups on the left. They're trying

744
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,679
to get Roman Catholics to vote for Kamala Harris. And

745
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:14,760
of course there will always be you know, many people

746
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,000
who do that. But it's the kind of thing that

747
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,679
could really hurt and it's a real thing. It's a

748
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,800
real thing that Kamala Harris said on live or maybe

749
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,960
not live, but like national television, and rather than talk

750
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,880
about something she really said, she'll do that matches with

751
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,519
what the Obama administration has done and matches with what

752
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:35,360
the Biden administration has done. They're going to run with

753
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,440
John Kelly's like trauma based fever dreams that are unsubstantiated.

754
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,639
Speaker 1: And by the way, another quick issue, just because you

755
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,559
brought up the interview with Kamala the other day, it

756
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,960
is an outrage, a journalistic and complete journalistic malpractice. That's

757
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,280
sixty Minutes, which sent out a statement this week accusing

758
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Donald Trump of whatever, smearing them that they won't release

759
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,920
a transcript of a forty five I believe minute interview

760
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,000
with the presidential candidate. Why wouldn't they do that? It

761
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,159
makes me quite suspicious of what's on there.

762
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how bad it must be that they

763
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,159
are willing to destroy themselves over this, like it must

764
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,719
be horrific.

765
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,679
Speaker 1: Or they spliced answers together in video.

766
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: They've already admitted that. They've already admitted that, but they

767
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,480
won't release the transcripts. You can kind of see the

768
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,559
extent to which they did that. I think I could

769
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,920
be wrong. I think that's because either they did it

770
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,920
on every answer or multiple answers, or because one of

771
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,280
the theories I saw that I that I think some people

772
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,840
really do believe here is they gave her an opportunity

773
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,760
to ask to answer the question repeatedly.

774
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:46,559
Speaker 3: So if you read their statement where.

775
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,639
Speaker 2: They're like, we, hey, Donald Trump and anyone who questions

776
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:54,440
our editing is evil, they said it was the same

777
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,679
question and same answer, which is a lie. Right, we

778
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,679
all the whole reason we know that's a lie, it's

779
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,840
because we saw one answer to one question to the

780
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,280
to the question, and we saw a completely different answer

781
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,480
to the question. But what if they're saying we asked

782
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,599
the question twice so that she could improve her answer,

783
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,079
and then we took the second answer.

784
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: It just reminds me a little bit of remember the

785
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,800
Robert hur interview with Biden where everyone was like, you're

786
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,239
insane to say that Biden didn't sound completely sharp and

787
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,360
all that, and then you know, they didn't want to

788
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,599
release it. They didn't want to release it. Everything that

789
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,760
people accuse Biden of doing and saying and being it

790
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,679
turned out to be true. And I bet you this

791
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,960
interview is disastrous in that.

792
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: Way, they're still not releasing that that has been like

793
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,239
demanded by Congress, and they're refusing, and they say, and

794
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,760
this is a dj that currently has Steve Bannon in

795
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,800
prison for contempt of Congress, and they're saying that, you know,

796
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
we release the transcript, we don't need to release the audio.

797
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: Again, how bad is that audio?

798
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: Terrible?

799
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,679
Speaker 2: Are the idea that you can't release audio of the

800
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,800
President of the United States out of concern for deep fakes?

801
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,239
I think we've already got audio of him on the record.

802
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,119
Speaker 3: Guys.

803
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: Just a few months ago, it was a conspiracy theory

804
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,320
to say that Joe Biden was, you know, in his

805
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,440
mental acuity was in decline, and that one day they

806
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:20,280
just flip the script and move on like it's nothing anyway.

807
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,039
Last thing I wanted to talk about was Donald Trump

808
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:29,639
at McDonald's, which I find it very curious that he

809
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,480
had this campaign event. Basically, it was fun. I think

810
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,239
he did a good job they and then for some

811
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,239
reason the left blew it up into a three day story.

812
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,039
It didn't make any sense to me.

813
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: I actually don't understand why it was such an awesome

814
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,440
photo op to begin with. I tweeted about this, but

815
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,400
I was flying home on Sunday and Mark was just

816
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,719
a little bit late to pick me up at the

817
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,519
airport and he's like, I'm so sorry, I got caught

818
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:02,800
up watching Donald Trump I'm at McDonald's videos. And I'm like, oh, sure, right,

819
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:08,480
you know what a weird explanation for a delay. And

820
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:10,880
then I think I've watched like two hundred Donald Trump

821
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,199
at McDonald's videos and I can't get enough of them

822
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,800
and showing them to the kids and we were like laughing,

823
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:22,840
and it is such a fascinating I mean, I know politicians.

824
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,519
Speaker 3: Do these things all the time, go to the fairs.

825
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: I think just the cycle Tim Walls was working a

826
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,559
custard shop or something like that. But why was this

827
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:34,920
one so funny? I actually don't understand like it was.

828
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:39,280
It was captivating television because.

829
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,199
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is an entertainer. He's done, he knows how

830
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,119
to play events like that. He's actually I hate prefacing, Okay,

831
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:48,679
I'm now even going to preface this with my thoughts

832
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,280
on Donald Trump. But he's good, actually a good retail politician.

833
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,920
He's actually good when he meets with normal people. I

834
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,519
think he is. What made me laugh was all these

835
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,920
left wingers on Twitter saying it's fake, he's not really

836
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,039
working at me time, get out of here, no.

837
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:10,199
Speaker 2: Way, Sean Lennon. I think, well, I can't remember who

838
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:11,880
it was, but someone on Twitter was like, wait, you're

839
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,760
telling me that he's not actually working at the McDonald's.

840
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,159
I guess that's not his job. The idea that you

841
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:22,360
would fact check whether that was an actual employment situation

842
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,760
or not is such a great example of the brokenness

843
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,239
of these people. And then have you seen like the

844
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,079
New York Times has written like ten stories on it,

845
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,920
and they're all like, he wasn't wearing a hair nit.

846
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,599
Speaker 3: How about that fry.

847
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: People who operate the fry station and they say that

848
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,559
he didn't have it down completely right on the first day.

849
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: How about that Newsweek's story where they they found a

850
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,519
report they're like, the McDonald said Donald Trump worked at

851
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:54,840
has been cited fifteen times for employees not washing their hands,

852
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,199
and Donald Trump didn't wash his hands correctly before dealing

853
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,400
with the fry machine. You know. Anyway, that was one.

854
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: Of my favorite things I saw in the video was

855
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,760
when he realized that no hands touched the fries, because

856
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,039
you know, he's like famously a germophobe, and you could

857
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,480
tell that as much as he loves McDonald's, that he

858
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:15,239
had been concerned for a very long time about people

859
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,559
touching the fries with their hands. And when he realized

860
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,079
one hand holds the you know, container and the other

861
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,599
one handles like the scoop that puts the fries in,

862
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:25,320
he's like, I like them even more now.

863
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: He does, like obviously like fast food. And I was

864
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,000
I was thinking about how RFK must have been so

865
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:36,119
sad as Donald Trump was handing out fries to everyone.

866
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,159
Speaker 3: Oh, that reminds me.

867
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,119
Speaker 2: I wanted to yell at you about that, because you

868
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:43,039
got mad because RFK posts a picture of I think

869
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,079
his dad or his uncle eating burger and fries.

870
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: It's like some of his mafio so family. Yeah, and he.

871
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: Says, you know, fast food can be okay, but like

872
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,360
it's much healthier to use beef tallow for the fries

873
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:59,639
rather than the seed oil that they use now. And

874
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,480
you were like upset, and you're like, mind your own business,

875
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:03,440
fatty or whatever.

876
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: And I didn't call him fatty. I think he's a quack,

877
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,400
but he's so wrong.

878
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:11,079
Speaker 2: Beef tallow is so much better and good.

879
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: It probably is I don't need RFK telling me what

880
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,239
to eat. He that guy is insane.

881
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: Have an opinion on whether McDonald should be used.

882
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: Oh he says. I think in that tweet, he says

883
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,880
he's going to be part of the governments and make

884
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,960
these things happen. He is the biggest nanny. I can't

885
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:28,119
even believe he didn't.

886
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: He just talked about the goodness of beef tallow versus

887
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,480
seed oil and I and that's it.

888
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: Who cares what he says about that? Who cares? Who

889
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,360
is he? He's a quack. I can't believe just because

890
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,239
he endorsed Donald Trump, everyone's going to go over with

891
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,679
this nanny who I've we should have a whole episode

892
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,320
on this. I mean, he is a complete authoritarian, that guy.

893
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,400
I can't even believe that now everyone's on board with him.

894
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: But I won't necessarily disagree with you that he's got

895
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:59,840
authoritarian sensibilities. I just think that there really are is

896
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,639
use with the food supply, and I think you have

897
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:08,119
to balance the goodness of being able to mass produce

898
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,239
food or mass cultivate food with some of the some

899
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,000
of the deletorious effects of that. And I think it's

900
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,360
an okay conversation to have, like part of this is

901
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,280
a result of government guidance or subsidies or regulations, and

902
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,679
so it's it's there's room for everybody, regardless of their

903
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:31,079
political persuasion, to talk about our food supply and how

904
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,320
it affects people's health, and it's I do think it's

905
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,599
I'm actually excited that this is one of those like

906
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,039
cross political things that people are.

907
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,679
Speaker 3: Opening up discussion on and I'm all here for it.

908
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,039
Speaker 1: I'm going to be super excited when politicians stop telling

909
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:47,639
me what to do, then I'm going to be super

910
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:50,519
excited because let me tell you something, you're fine with it.

911
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,639
Speaker 2: If there are millions of health politicians telling you what

912
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:55,599
to do right now, it's okay to change it.

913
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: There are millions of healthy options for people. You know,

914
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,119
in all these conversations, no one ever says, hey, batso

915
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:04,639
stop eating. You know, like, not one person ever makes it.

916
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,239
It's always corporations that are a fault and some insidious

917
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,199
billionaire somewhere. It's never the person themselves. Listen, I try

918
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,480
to lose weight all the time. I struggle with it myself,

919
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,679
but it's you're gonna have to do it yourself. We

920
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,679
can't limit soda sizes and tell people what oils they

921
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:21,880
should use. Here's my problem with RFK as well. He

922
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,519
calls everything poison that is not poison. Okay, saturated fats

923
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:28,760
are if you eat them occasionally, you're gonna be fine.

924
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,519
I'm sure not poison. And it's scare mongering and I

925
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:38,440
just hate it, all right, I think that's it, glad

926
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,320
we I mean, RFK wanted to put you know that,

927
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,599
he wanted to put people in jail who were climate

928
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,400
denialists or punish them through the law. And when he

929
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,440
was asked about now he's a champion of free speech.

930
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,199
That's fine, I'm happy he is. But when he was

931
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,320
asked about that, he didn't say I was wrong. He

932
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,199
made up some kind of ridiculous excuse for why he

933
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,440
said it originally, which makes me very suspicious about his instincts.

934
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:05,280
You know, yea, why I'm going on about this? Would

935
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,559
you do anything culturally? I know you were traveling.

936
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: Are we done with all of that? We're done?

937
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: Oh? Do we want to do some more?

938
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: No, that's good.

939
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,039
Speaker 2: I just want to say the media losing their minds

940
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:22,000
on McDonald's has been one of this, Like I shouldn't

941
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,960
be shocked at how bad our media are, but they

942
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,760
are horrifically bad at informing America. They are dangerous to

943
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,800
the country, dangerous to the Republic. I'm sure you saw

944
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,760
Crystal is a tweeting out that it's it. I can't

945
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,079
remember if it's Gallup or Pew or whoever. It's saying

946
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:44,119
that trust in the media is has cratered and there's

947
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,519
good reason for it. That's a good start, but it

948
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,159
doesn't mean much if people don't trust corporate media, but

949
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,480
they still allow them to have such outsize influence in

950
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:57,719
our politics. Something must be done to stop treating them

951
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,079
as if they're legitimate when they're not. And obviously not

952
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,920
doing debates with left wing media is one thing to do,

953
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,159
but I really think Republicans need to start thinking about

954
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:14,840
just getting away from corporate media period. One cool thing

955
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,639
about this campaign for both sides has been that they

956
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:23,639
have privileged podcasts and alternative media so much more than

957
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,480
you know, the traditional like gotchas of the left wing media.

958
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,760
Kamala is avoiding a lot of that because she doesn't

959
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,119
do well in interviews and she keeps like accidentally showcasing

960
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:38,320
her authoritarianism when she's in these interviews, and Trump is

961
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,480
just sidestepping them because they become they've just become like

962
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,360
uninformative and cartoonish like he's still doing. They're both doing

963
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,280
a lot of it, but they're also doing so much

964
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,800
more of this alternative media, and I think that's a

965
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,599
really good sign for the future.

966
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was thinking about some other aspect of this,

967
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,079
and sorry to get off track here, but you know,

968
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,360
when I worked at a big newspaper in Denver, we

969
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,400
had a competition and we treated them as competition. Do

970
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,440
you sense that MSNBC and CNN are really in a competition. No,

971
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,599
all these journalists, I think they feel like they're on

972
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:14,360
the same team. If there was true competition. When The

973
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,639
Atlantic came out with this story, everyone would be like,

974
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,519
this is terrible journalism. The Atlantic is terrible, you know.

975
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,519
But they don't. They're just they're in this concerted effort

976
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,719
to go after Donald Trump, and at this point, I

977
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,880
think any Republican candidate would be treated basically the same,

978
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:36,159
and it's just bad for America. Twelve percent of Republicans

979
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:40,000
trust the media in that Gallup poll, wait, which is

980
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:44,119
pretty high, and I would say that listen, you can say, yeah,

981
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,960
Republicans hate the media because they're on the left or whatever.

982
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,760
But it's bad for America when that many people don't

983
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,360
trust it. And by the way, independents I think are

984
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,360
under fifty percent and Democrats are barely over fifty percent.

985
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,360
So that's a big problem. And it's a so called democracy. See.

986
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:06,320
So okay, can't wait for this election to be over.

987
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,719
But then, you know, I don't know what I'm going

988
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:08,360
to write about.

989
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure we'll have things. I did see that

990
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,039
Mark Alprin, who I don't know what to think about

991
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,199
his analysis, but he's said something about if these early

992
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,639
voting trends hold, which is a huge if, and we

993
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:24,079
should probably do some stuff on actual election administration next week.

994
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,000
It might be an early night, or it might be

995
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,079
we might know the results of the election like we

996
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:32,239
used to on the night of the of the final

997
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:32,960
election day.

998
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,519
Speaker 1: Do you really do do you feel like I mean

999
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,760
you said Trump looks like Trump's on his way to win.

1000
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,480
I mean, to me, when I look at these polls,

1001
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:43,159
they're still really pretty close. I mean, I know that

1002
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,440
Trump's numbers are better than they were in twenty twenty,

1003
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,760
twenty sixteen across the board, basically. But the numbers themselves

1004
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,800
seem pretty close to me in all these states.

1005
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: They do, but that's why I put them in context.

1006
00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:00,400
So there's a narrow In fact, Kamala had a narrow

1007
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:03,559
lead in many of these polls. But if you look

1008
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:06,880
at where Biden was four years ago, she's like ten

1009
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,880
points behind and he almost lost that election. And if

1010
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,480
you look at where Hillary Clinton was eight years ago,

1011
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:17,239
she's like five points behind or six points behind, and

1012
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,920
Hillary Clinton lost that election. So polling systematically undercounts Trump

1013
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:27,480
voters Republicans in general, but Trump voters in particular. Maybe

1014
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,320
they fixed all of those polling problems that they've had

1015
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,400
historically for a long period of time. But I think

1016
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:40,440
we're at the point where if it's another you know,

1017
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,039
if it's an election that does not I think people

1018
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:46,960
are reasonably expecting not just a Trump victory, but maybe

1019
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,320
a sizable one, which is just a stunning thing that

1020
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,880
that's even a possibility after everything that's been done to

1021
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,559
Trump in the last four years. But I think we're

1022
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,000
on the cacast of that, and who knows. I mean,

1023
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:01,719
I always keep my mind like on the range of possibilities.

1024
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:10,079
I just think if given her polling disadvantage relative to

1025
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:15,159
the historical results of what polls indicate, it would not

1026
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,559
be good for the country if people are told that

1027
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:24,000
Kamala Harris somehow won this, Does that make sense? Like

1028
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,599
we're reaching beyond the point of like, I don't think

1029
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:30,480
people will believe it, and that's very dangerous for the country. So, like,

1030
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,599
maybe the best thing for the country is a sizable

1031
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:40,159
win for Trump so that people can accept accept the

1032
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:42,679
results and move on.

1033
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: Here's why I would worry. It's probably not scientific at all.

1034
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,280
The betting markets say Trump is up. I think all

1035
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,360
of them do, but those I believe can be manipulated somewhat.

1036
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,079
But the midterms in twenty twenty two, we all thought

1037
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:01,199
that Republicans were going to have a basically a wave election,

1038
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,239
and they didn't come close to that. So I slightly

1039
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,000
worried that, or I would be slightly worried if I

1040
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:11,679
were a Republican that these polls are similarly.

1041
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: So I do want to point something out.

1042
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: And I know we've talked about that before, but in

1043
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,519
twenty twenty two, the polls were not wrong like they

1044
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:23,079
were predicting X. You know, if the polling results held

1045
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:27,320
it would be x million people voted Republican more than

1046
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,679
voted Democrat, and that was actually true what Democrats did.

1047
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: And this is the issue.

1048
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: It's not that the polls were completely off theen It's

1049
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,440
that Democrats prioritized a few key Senate races and then

1050
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:46,960
a couple dozen House races that enabled them to not

1051
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:53,000
face like the results of what the sentiment in America was,

1052
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,519
I don't know how to quite expend like, they focused

1053
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:57,960
their ballot operations in the places where they thought they

1054
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,719
could like drag people over the finish line, and it worked,

1055
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,119
and that could be happening again. And that's what our

1056
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,639
elections team at the Federalist is focused on looking at

1057
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,880
kind of election shenanigans. And the thing that I that

1058
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,000
I definitely keep worrying about are uakamba ballots, those overseas

1059
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,440
ballots that are people think of as military but are

1060
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,239
actually like three to one non military or four to

1061
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,840
one non military, which have been harvested. Democrats put a

1062
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:33,599
major focus into harvesting overseas ballots, and the RNC just

1063
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,480
tried to sue North Carolina and Michigan to stop them

1064
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,400
from accepting ballots from people who didn't show residency in

1065
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,119
those states, and they the court threw it out and said, oh,

1066
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:45,360
it's like too close before the election. It's this real challenge.

1067
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,440
You're not allowed to do things too early. You have

1068
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,480
to wait until voting starts. And then when you file

1069
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,519
a lawsuit, they say, oh, it's too close to the election.

1070
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,360
And then if you file it after the election, they go, oh,

1071
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,119
it's moot because the election has already occurred. I get

1072
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,920
that the courts don't want to get involved in elections,

1073
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:03,800
but it's kind of horrific if you're trying to resolve

1074
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:06,880
issues like whether you should be allowed to vote in

1075
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,679
North Carolina if you've never shown that you're a resident

1076
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,400
of that state.

1077
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: You know, anyway, hopefully, hopefully find out it won't be

1078
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:17,840
a mess.

1079
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:19,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows.

1080
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I suspect no matter who wins the other

1081
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,039
you know, I've already seen signs that have Democrats lose.

1082
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:31,000
They have a lot of conspiracy theories that they're already

1083
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,960
sort of pushing. And let me just tell you something.

1084
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,199
I happen to have a book coming about coming out

1085
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:39,840
on the history of that. I saw the Washington Post

1086
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,440
as this big piece saying fifty percent of running Republicans

1087
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,239
were running have engaged and dabbled in election denialism. The

1088
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Democratic Party has engaged in election denialism since nineteen eighty

1089
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,519
and probably before, and it has a long history of

1090
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:59,039
doing that. And election denialism is a very misleading term,

1091
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:04,159
as you pointed out many times, merely challenging legally or

1092
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:09,519
even verbally questioning something is not election denialism. Election denialism

1093
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:12,480
is after every everything's been squared away, you come up

1094
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,679
with some conspiracy theorist to why you lost.

1095
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,119
Speaker 2: Right, Actually, that's just not a good term. Nobody's denying

1096
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,400
that elections take place. The term is used to try

1097
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,320
to make people think of Holocaust deniers, who are people

1098
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,039
who deny the Holocaust took in place.

1099
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:31,599
Speaker 1: Like climate denialism is the same game.

1100
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: People saying you judged these ballots differently than these other

1101
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,360
ballots are not denying that the election took place. They're

1102
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,280
criticizing the manner in which the votes were counted or

1103
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,719
the manner in which the election was administered. Nothing makes

1104
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,800
you look like more of a hack idiot than using

1105
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,400
the frame election denier unronically. And I just have to

1106
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,280
say the Wall Street Journal did like a five thousand

1107
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,599
word piece that my kid brought to me because it

1108
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:03,079
was so bad that they noticed it, Like they were like,

1109
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,440
this is horribly biased and one sided. The Wall Street

1110
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,199
Journal should be better than much of the rest of

1111
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:14,159
the propaganda press and not use the term election denier,

1112
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,239
which they use like four hundred times in the article.

1113
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: And as a public service announcement, my book The Rise

1114
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,639
of bluing On is available at Amazon or Barnes and

1115
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:27,519
Nobles or or any of the big or any place

1116
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:31,559
that sells books online. It will be coming out soon. Culture.

1117
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:32,719
Do you want to move to Culture?

1118
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do, and I hope we get to talk

1119
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:37,480
about the book before whence the actual data comes out.

1120
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: After the election? Okay, great, after the election.

1121
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: I think we said it last week.

1122
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: It's always helpful to buy these before they come out

1123
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,199
so you can have a really good launch day. So everyone,

1124
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:48,280
please please please buy that right now, just like take

1125
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,760
a minute, go to Amazon or whatever, purchase it.

1126
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,159
Speaker 3: It'll get to you immediately upon release. Appreciate that.

1127
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: You write purty. Okay, yeah, so asking if i'd done it,

1128
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,239
I haven't done anything. I went this weekend to Grand

1129
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,119
Rapids to so I haven't done anything. Cultural because I

1130
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:12,079
went to Grand Rapids for a classical Lutheran educator's conference

1131
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:13,760
and it.

1132
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: Was so much fun.

1133
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: I love this town.

1134
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,639
Speaker 3: Oh, I love Grand Rapids.

1135
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: It is it is the perfect size city, is small

1136
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,840
but has everything you need and it's beautiful. And I

1137
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,719
was there when the colors were really vibrant, and so

1138
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,280
I did things like jumped on the trampoline with my

1139
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:36,039
buddy who's like eight, who I stayed with, and hurt

1140
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:39,079
my knees. Because I'm getting older, I love trampolines. I

1141
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:42,760
am obsessed with trampolines. And I taught him that trick

1142
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,639
about how to make someone jump really high on the trampoline,

1143
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:48,320
how you jump like right before they jump and then

1144
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,920
they go flying, and he loved it.

1145
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:51,039
Speaker 3: So that was cool.

1146
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: But then I paid for it with my old lady knees.

1147
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,159
But then I kept doing it like repeatedly because it

1148
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,039
was so much fun. And my kids don't jump on

1149
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:02,199
the trampoline with me, so I'm like the weirdo in

1150
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:03,719
my backyard jumping on my trampline.

1151
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: I've seen you jump on a trampoline. I think one

1152
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,119
time we were at a retreat or something.

1153
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,679
Speaker 2: Everyone was like making fun of me, and I'm like, what,

1154
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,760
I like trampolines. And I met a lot of people

1155
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,039
at the conference who told me how much they love you,

1156
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:20,800
and I just I still feel kind of hurt at

1157
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,760
how many of my Lutheran people just you go on

1158
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,559
and on about how great David Harsani is and oh

1159
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:28,639
he's so wonderful, blah blah blah.

1160
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,039
Speaker 1: I love the Lutherans as well.

1161
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:31,639
Speaker 3: Anyway, that was fun.

1162
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: I like, I like one branch of the Lutheran Church.

1163
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,280
I'm against the other.

1164
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, You'll make a great Lutheran.

1165
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:41,679
Speaker 3: And that's it.

1166
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1167
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,079
Speaker 3: No, culture, I'm so sorry.

1168
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,079
Speaker 1: No, it's okay. I didn't do much. I Amazon Prime

1169
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,480
if you have Amazon Prime dropped every James Bond movie,

1170
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:56,239
so I'm in. You know, I usually start with my favorites,

1171
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,400
like The Spy Loved Me, which has barb or Bach,

1172
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,280
who I had a tremendous crush on growing up pretty much,

1173
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:09,679
and so I've watched that. And then the only other

1174
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:17,119
thing I had was I'm reading al Pacino's autobiography. You know,

1175
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:19,719
I read these books. I kind of like skimmed through them,

1176
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,039
but I didn't know and it was kind of interesting

1177
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:24,199
that he wrote his first roommate when he was really

1178
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:28,519
young in the South Bronx of New York was Martin Sheen,

1179
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,400
like they were good friends before they were famous. Yeah,

1180
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,480
it's okay a little boring, but I'm a big fan.

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Al Pacino's amazing. That's it. That's it for me, that's

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it for you. Just a reminder you can email the

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show at radio at the Federalist dot com. Next week

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we'll be back, I'm sure with other intriguing and compelling stories.

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Until them be lovers of freedom and anxious for the Fray.

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Speaker 3: And mister r

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Speaker 1: I leave that you point down, Imm