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<v Speaker 1>You're listenings KFI AM six forty the Bill Handle Show

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Handle. Here he is a taco.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday, June third, I put up a Instagram post. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys seen it. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>Trader Joe's and buy a mistake. I bought a vegan dish.

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<v Speaker 1>It was devastating, absolutely devastating. I've never bought a vegan

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<v Speaker 1>anything in my life. You gotta look closely. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's at bill Handle Show. You can see

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<v Speaker 1>how upset I am on buying. Oh, and then let

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<v Speaker 1>me tell you how I ate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I ate the rice that was it on that tofu

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<v Speaker 2>For God's sake, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I want to share with you a story and

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<v Speaker 1>give you just a little background for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is.

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<v Speaker 1>The issue of Greenland for us. Why Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>making a huge deal out of Greenland, both of which

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<v Speaker 1>are big deals. One is for national security. Greenland is

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<v Speaker 1>where we have this massive base to stop an invasion,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least to tell us there's an invasion coming

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<v Speaker 1>in from mainly Russia. The other is rare earth that

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<v Speaker 1>Greenland has in copious measure. They have a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>We need rare earths.

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<v Speaker 1>Rare earths are minerals that are used in the manufacture

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<v Speaker 1>of phones and computers, etc. And we don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, or almost none. You know who

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<v Speaker 1>has rare earth China? That's the other country. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about you getting sick. How many of

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<v Speaker 1>you have gotten a prescription for a marxicillin, right, penicillin

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<v Speaker 1>type drugs. I have a moxicillin. My doctor gave me

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<v Speaker 1>a maxicillin because of my foot. You know it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>an infection to prohibit or to stop an infection. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>A maxicillin is in chronic short supply. There is one

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturer in the US. China controls eighty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>raw materials of a boxicillin in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty percent. You think that's a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Jackson, founder and CEO of Jackson the Healthcare which

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<v Speaker 1>owns the one amoxicillin manufacturing facility in the United States, says,

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<v Speaker 1>increasing trade hostility or more protracted conflicts we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>between China and the US could devastate our access to

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<v Speaker 1>a maxicilin Why because they control effectively the world market

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<v Speaker 1>for the ingredients. How about hydrocordisone cream, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>anti itch cream that everybody uses, anti itch, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Ninety six percent of the imports controlled by

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<v Speaker 1>China of the raw material, how about ibuprofen. Who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>take ibuprofen? And it took some this morning because the

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<v Speaker 1>swelling of my toe is still there. Ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the raw material is China. Aceta meenafin. Seventy three percent

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<v Speaker 1>is controlled by China. I mean, that's scary stuff. So far,

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<v Speaker 1>China has not stopped exportation or exporting of these raw products.

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<v Speaker 2>Is they've kept it close to the vest.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, what is going on. There is a trade

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<v Speaker 1>war going on with China. And we are at a

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<v Speaker 1>real crossroads. When we talk about bringing manufacturing of steel,

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<v Speaker 1>when we talk about bringing manufacturing of chips, computer parts, phones,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one thing. Okay, as tough as it would be,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one thing. It would take four or five years

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<v Speaker 1>to start manufacturing drugs and raw products.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>That's years and years to switch over, which the major

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<v Speaker 1>people involved in drugs say it can't be done.

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<v Speaker 2>It just can't be done. And we are at war.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the argument is pharmaceuticals we're paying too much

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<v Speaker 1>for pharmaceuticals.

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<v Speaker 2>We are, and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is what we're paying for is too much for brand

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<v Speaker 2>And over fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, what's the actual number I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this story. It's really a stunning number. Where

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<v Speaker 1>you've got seventy percent of drugs are generic in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy percent of what we buy and ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the ingredients to make generics are in Chinese hands. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we and we have a shortage right now of

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<v Speaker 1>certain drugs. If China pulls the trigger on the exportation

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<v Speaker 1>of the raw material, we and the world are in

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<v Speaker 2>Now. The good news is that India is the.

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<v Speaker 1>World's biggest manufacturer of generics and we get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of our generics for India. Oh wait a minute, the

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<v Speaker 1>raw products that go into the Indian manufacture are all

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<v Speaker 1>controlled by China, and so this trade war gets a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more complicated. Where we are at a we're at

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<v Speaker 1>a dilemma here and in the world of.

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<v Speaker 2>Trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Has been said, China is going to suffer more than

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<v Speaker 1>we will, which is probably true globally in the world

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<v Speaker 1>raw products as part of their war and their ammunition.

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<v Speaker 1>So be prepared for pharma pharmaceutical costs to go down

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<v Speaker 1>among patented drugs that are manufactured in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to generics, that's just a commodity. And

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<v Speaker 1>now we're talking about how cheaply can you make it?

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<v Speaker 1>And the United States will never make generics as cheaply

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<v Speaker 1>as they can in China.

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<v Speaker 2>It's impossible, just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>And if China goes to town and says, okay, that's part

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<v Speaker 1>of our trade war, we're throwing that in the mix. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a mess. The whole thing is we're

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<v Speaker 1>too simplistic with this trade war. Business fifty percent, right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's change last week. Was it last week that President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump said, you know what, instead of twenty five percent,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make it fifty percent And one week

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<v Speaker 1>it changed. It changes overnight. Try to build a factory

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<v Speaker 1>in a week and bring manufacturing here. Try to convince

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<v Speaker 1>China not to have ninety percent of the world market.

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<v Speaker 1>Medicaid rules could leave a million Californians without health insurance,

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<v Speaker 1>saying yet at the same time, the administration is saying, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not cutting medicaid. And there's two ways of looking

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<v Speaker 1>at this, and I'll explain both right and both wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick word about what's going on this Saturday, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is our get together at the Anaheim White House, the

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<v Speaker 1>entire crew Morning Crew.

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<v Speaker 2>We've never done this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're having dinner together and five of you plus I

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<v Speaker 1>guess plus one will be coming with us, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a lot of fun where we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to give you the inside baseball what's going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>you get to meet all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of us, which is for some reason people are interested

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<v Speaker 2>in doing that. So here's what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>You go to during the course of the show, the

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<v Speaker 1>iHeartRadio app click onto the bill handle show microphone in

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<v Speaker 1>the upper right corner. Click onto that fifteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds to tell us why you either want to go

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<v Speaker 1>or you should go on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, will contact the winners, so leave your

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<v Speaker 1>information obviously contact info, and we will say you're.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the big ones. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, there's a real issue going on with the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government in the state.

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<v Speaker 2>You are going to see that the.

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<v Speaker 1>New budget, the Big Beautiful Bill, cuts Medicaid recipients by millions,

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<v Speaker 1>and in California, it could leave a million Californias with

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<v Speaker 1>no health insurance. Now the administration is saying we're not

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<v Speaker 1>cutting Medicaid. That's not true, and yet the California is saying, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you are. How can they both exist? I mean someone

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<v Speaker 1>has to be wrong. It depends on how you look

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<v Speaker 1>at it. Because the cut, if you call it a cut,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a moral component to this, according to Mike Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>is if you can work, why don't you work? And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're getting medicaid because you can't afford any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of healthcare and we're paying for it the taxpayer and

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<v Speaker 1>you're not working, that is a problem. So I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we're cutting medicaid. But the administration's position, we're only quote

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<v Speaker 1>cutting to people who.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't have it in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>And under the Big Beautiful Bill, it simply says that

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<v Speaker 1>you had better prove that you're trying to well, actually

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<v Speaker 1>you are working, or you're going to school, unless you're

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<v Speaker 1>exempted special needs, a pregnant woman, and taking care of family,

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<v Speaker 1>being a caregiver. There are a bunch of exemptions. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're nineteen to sixty four and you can work,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not exempted, you're not getting medicaid.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that came under Obamacare.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when that started expansion of medicaid. You'll hear that

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<v Speaker 1>phrase be thrown about the expansion of medicaid with Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>are adamant about stopping it, and certainly we're against it.

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<v Speaker 1>There is the issue, are we cutting medicaid well to

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<v Speaker 1>the people who don't deserve it in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to get it. We don't view that

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<v Speaker 1>as a cutting. What we view is taking back which

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be there. Now you have the states which are

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<v Speaker 1>saying you are cutting and people who are eligible who

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be made ineligible because of your now

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<v Speaker 1>definition of who deserves medicaid. Right now easy to get medicaid.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with the big beautiful bill where they're undoing

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<v Speaker 1>this is the reporting that has to be made to

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<v Speaker 1>prove that you should be allowed to collect medicaid. No

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<v Speaker 1>one knows what that is. The bill doesn't talk about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fear is that it's going to be so onerous,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be so difficult to do the reporting

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<v Speaker 1>that effectively people who do deserve medicaid are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to get Medicaid, there is the problem. So the version

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<v Speaker 1>of the Big Beautiful Bill right now as it has

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<v Speaker 1>passed by the House, requires adults to log at least

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<v Speaker 1>eighty hours a month of community engagement. What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>What could be employment, school, volunteer work. Anybody nineteen to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four. I don't know what that means, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>nor does anybody else. It's it's a problem because they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't come up with the rules of how you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the argument that's being used by the states,

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<v Speaker 1>California specifically, and what California says that Medicaid if it's

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<v Speaker 1>taken away from these people, going back to before the

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<v Speaker 1>Affordable Care Act, where Medicaid was in existence, what was

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<v Speaker 1>not was expanded then and has not been cut curtailed.

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<v Speaker 1>About a million Californians would be with no health insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>And Medicaid is a federal program which then reverts back

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<v Speaker 1>to medical in which the state picks up all of

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<v Speaker 1>the costs for the poor people, poor being and those

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<v Speaker 1>unable to meet the requirements in terms of just accounting purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of meeting the requirements for recognizing having the

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<v Speaker 1>Feds or the state recognize that they are in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Position because no one knows how do you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you report to? And I volunteer? What does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean? You can?

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy? It is I'm at the shelter. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a volunteer and I do that fifteen hours a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that enough?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know you need eighty hours? But how do

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<v Speaker 1>we count the eighty hours?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Enough of that?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's you're gonna hear expansion, not expansion, cutting not cutting.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens in the Senate. Mosquitoes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually technology out there that can make mosquitoes extinct,

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<v Speaker 1>and for some reason, there is an ethical dilemma here.

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<v Speaker 2>You got me on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll explain what's going on technology versus bioethics. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly the problem that I had when I first

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<v Speaker 1>started practicing law, and I'll tell you how we dealt

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<v Speaker 2>Yo, do I want to throw something at you.

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<v Speaker 1>When I started practicing law, virtually from the beginning, my

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<v Speaker 1>specialty was third party reproductive law. Pretty bizarre stuff, surrogacy,

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<v Speaker 1>frozen embryos, sperm freezing, all of that. Sperm freezing is

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<v Speaker 1>what you do in Antarctica when you never mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go there in any case.

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<v Speaker 1>So for three years I actually taught a course at

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<v Speaker 1>was Professor Handel. If that isn't scarier as hell, then

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<v Speaker 1>nothing is. And that was at the infancy of gene editing.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was an ethical dilemma that was part of

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<v Speaker 1>here is the ethical dilemma. Part of it is not

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<v Speaker 1>part of It's pretty easy. Do you edit genes and

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<v Speaker 1>and change the genes and remove the possibility of diseases.

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<v Speaker 2>With gene editing, you can get rid of.

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<v Speaker 1>Taste acts, which virtually kills every Yashkenazi Jew that has

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<v Speaker 1>That kids don't go beyond five six years and it's horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>or sickle cell anemia, which affects African Americans, which is

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<v Speaker 1>of genes to make sure that those are not passed down?

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<v Speaker 1>That's an easy one. Who's going to say no to that?

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<v Speaker 1>Saving lives? Okay, let's take that same that same science

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<v Speaker 1>into bioethics. If we can change genes, how about parents

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<v Speaker 1>coming in who are creating children via third party reproduction IVF, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>How about making a kid taller, faster, blue eyes, blonde hair,

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<v Speaker 1>or black eyes. Where is the ethics of that? Should

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<v Speaker 1>we be able to do that? Should we have designer children?

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<v Speaker 1>There is an ethical dilemma. Okay, that's step two in

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<v Speaker 1>ethical dilemmas. Now I'm going to give you step three

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, and that has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>going beyond getting rid of disease. Well, to some extent,

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<v Speaker 1>it is making people better, faster, smarter.

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<v Speaker 1>And I tell you about that because this has just

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<v Speaker 1>which bioethicists are going, Oh, hold on a minute. We

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<v Speaker 2>I love this stuff. It's my wheelhouse. And this has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with some bioethics. As I was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the break, when I was teaching third party reproductive law,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a real ethical dilemma with the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>gene editing, which is now here. Those days it was

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<v Speaker 1>what the future going to bring. Gene editing allows you

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<v Speaker 1>allows scientists to change the makeup of a creature human

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<v Speaker 1>or otherwise changing Darwin's selection concept and theory completely. The

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<v Speaker 1>natural order of the things change, for example, removing diseases

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<v Speaker 1>that are inherited at the genetic level, making kids are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be born faster, better, taller at the genetic level.

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<v Speaker 2>Big ethics involved.

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<v Speaker 1>First one, not so big a problem, removing diseases, making

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<v Speaker 1>designer kids, that's ethical. That's an ethical dilemma. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>a third one. There is something called target malaria in

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<v Speaker 1>which genetics are and this is going on right now,

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<v Speaker 1>are going to deal introduce a gene mutation to mosquitoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Female mosquitoes offspring to be born without their ovaries functional ovaries,

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<v Speaker 1>rending them infertile. Male mosquitoes, the offspring can carry the

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the concept.

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<v Speaker 1>When female was mosquitos inherit the gene from both their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>they will go on to die without producing offspring. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>when males and females carry just one copy of the gene,

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<v Speaker 1>they will spread the deene further until there are no

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<v Speaker 1>fertile females left and the population crashes. Okay, not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's going to say no to that? Where is the

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<v Speaker 1>bioethics here? Where is the ethical dilemma? Well, here is.

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<v Speaker 2>What the ethicists are saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Researchers and ethicists are warning this may be too dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>to tinker with the underpinnings of life itself. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about scientifically eliminating a species on this earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, granted it's a species that.

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<v Speaker 1>Causes malaria and dingy and West Nile virus and all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of serious diseases. What six hundred thousand people a

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<v Speaker 1>year die just because of malaria, not counting other diseases.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's an ethical dilemma because let's say we look

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<v Speaker 1>at other species cockroaches, which don't do anything good. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, who makes a decision as to who

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<v Speaker 2>That is a dilemma.

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<v Speaker 1>Not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you entire members of my family.

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<v Speaker 1>I would wipe out and make sure that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>But that's me.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're really in a scientific age now. When I

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<v Speaker 1>first started, even with IVF, for some crazy ass reason,

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<v Speaker 1>the ethicists said, oh, no, IVF is not the same,

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<v Speaker 1>because what you're doing is you're making decisions, a god

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<v Speaker 1>like decision, who is going to live, who is going

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<v Speaker 1>to die? What embryos you save, you destroy embryos? And

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<v Speaker 1>that is an ethical dilemma. Well it isn't It really isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Now n gene tinkering with genes to remove diseases, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not an ethical dilemma. Making people better, faster, taller, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an ethical dilemma. This one is scarying bioethicists because

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<v Speaker 1>this is eliminating entire species of life. Now, granted, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to do that, the first group you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to wipe out is mosquitoes. But where does it go

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<v Speaker 1>and how far? And again it took years, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with a regulatory scheme across the country

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<v Speaker 1>to determine how IVF is done, or how many sperm

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<v Speaker 1>downers can be used, because there are ethical dilemmas there

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<v Speaker 1>the fear of you know, not intermarriage, but you know, brothers, sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, creating children without knowledge. And they've never been

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<v Speaker 1>able to come with a federal law. There are guidelines,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is no law. The bioethesists had never been

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<v Speaker 1>able to come up. Can you imagine this one? And

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<v Speaker 1>then the question is what species do you wipe out?

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<v Speaker 2>Mosquitoes? Absolutely no one cares.

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<v Speaker 1>How about rats that cause diseases, certain kinds of rats

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<v Speaker 1>that carry all kinds of diseases.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, because they're part of the food chain.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you take out a when you take out

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<v Speaker 1>one of the elements of a food chain, and what

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<v Speaker 1>happens going up and the same thing? You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are bugs, or there are mosquito eating animals. Don't bats

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<v Speaker 1>eat mosquitoes? Who eats mosquitoes? I'm trying to think. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>they for example in Asia, don't they eat mosquitoes?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>No, they eat crickets, that's right, not mosquitoes. That, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, is a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico, they eat mosquitoes, We eat crickets. Oh Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Korea they eat mosquitoes, No, they don't. No

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<v Speaker 1>one eats mosquitoes except you know, bats. And I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to think of what other creatures, spa.

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<v Speaker 2>And insects like dragonflies, some damn flies. Okay. So with that,

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<v Speaker 2>do you get rid of mosquitoes? No, because they have

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<v Speaker 2>their place in the circle of life too.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and their place is giving you dingay fever.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, boy, there's there. There's a place for giving you malaria.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't you just splice their jeans to not be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do that? That's it?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, you can't because you would have to do

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<v Speaker 1>it individually. The only way you can deal with an

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<v Speaker 1>entire population is to make the bugs infertile.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very difficult to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Individual gene manipulation. You can do it with people, but

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<v Speaker 1>a per mosquito you really can't. I kind of feel like, God, ay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a delate thirties mid forty somebody was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do this stuff. Well, sciences go, well, they didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>it to mosquitoes. They no, And it wasn't gene editing,

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<v Speaker 1>it was wiping out entire species. By wiping out entire populations,

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<v Speaker 1>very different.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, just wanted to bring that up. Rich Tomorrow coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and we're going to be talking about well Nintendo

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<v Speaker 1>and shoplifting, and he's going to talk about shoplifting either

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<v Speaker 1>pro or con. Is shoplifting good or bad? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know yet. He's going to come up with the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Kf I am six. You've been listening to the Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Handle Show.

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