WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.160 In American ways, we fight for truth and justice, and 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:07.360 no fight for truth and justice more important than the 3 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:10.359 fight to save these innocent human lives that are being 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:11.839 destroyed in such. 5 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:14.359 Massive numbers through abortions. 6 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:17.800 So we bring you something I think particularly valuable to 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:21.879 you today, and that is the medicine. We're going to 8 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:27.480 have a factual, clinical discussion about the medical realities of 9 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:33.960 prenatal biology and abortion procedures and drugs. And very kind 10 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:37.320 to be with us today for that is doctor Catherine Wheeler. 11 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.079 And she's a hero in the life movement because she 12 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:45.399 used to perform abortions and then she obviously saw how 13 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.920 wrong that is and had the courage to step up 14 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:52.200 now and defend life. And doctor thank you for being 15 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:54.679 with us. Obviously, you bring to the table a very 16 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:58.880 unique credibility given your history on the other side of 17 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:02.719 this issue, but also medical knowledge, so you can just 18 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.359 lay out for people that the clinical medicine on this 19 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.040 and you know will warn folks who may have young 20 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:12.799 kids in the car, et cetera, that because doctor Wheeler 21 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.200 is going to be telling the medical clinical truth about abortion, 22 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:20.040 it is going to be deeply disturbing. In a times graphic, 23 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.079 Doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show. 24 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.760 And thank you so much for taking on this issue. 25 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:28.760 And it's such a privilege to be with you and 26 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:29.480 your listeners. 27 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:31.000 Thank you, well, thank you. 28 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:33.599 It's of great value to all of us because no 29 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.319 matter where somebody is on this issue and what they 30 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.239 think the quote policy should be, it's so hard to 31 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:42.560 get just the medical facts. 32 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:44.200 So why don't we start this way? 33 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.239 And then I hope this will be a regular segment, 34 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:51.200 but but could you just start with just prenatal biology? 35 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:53.120 How does all this work? 36 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:55.959 Yeah, thank you for bringing this up. You know, as 37 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.760 I talk to people like abortion is a completely add 38 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:04.200 turn to people, So I appreciate the opportunity because we're 39 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:06.879 really talking about only two important things. But they're the 40 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.960 things that, oh I'm so sorry for the noise. They're 41 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:14.479 the things that they don't want us talking about. Who 42 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:18.000 is in the uterus? 43 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:20.719 Is that dinner? 44 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:25.240 Sorry? No, I'm actually in a place that was super 45 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:25.879 quiet and. 46 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.479 We happen to me a time. 47 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:33.360 Oh yeah, So they don't want us to talk about 48 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.199 the baby. They want us to think this is not 49 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.879 a human being, that it's not alive. It's like all 50 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:41.000 the reasons why it's okay to take the life of 51 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.080 a human being. Well, it's not a baby yet, it's 52 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:45.639 not alive yet, it doesn't look like us, it doesn't 53 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:48.240 do all the things that we do as adults. Well, 54 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:50.680 they don't until they're in their late twenties, you know, 55 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.199 That's when we finally finish maturing. And so it's anything 56 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:55.919 they can do to get us to not talk about 57 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:59.120 the baby. And the second part is they don't want 58 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.120 you to think about what's procedure is and what the 59 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.240 intention of the procedure is. And the procedure, as the 60 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:10.599 CDC says, is an intervention that does not end in 61 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.759 a live birth. So the intention is to not have 62 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.919 a live birth. Well that's kind of a twisted language. 63 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.199 The goal is at the baby's dead for whatever reason. 64 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.000 So I think that's the most important thing. And we 65 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.719 get so distracted by everything else. And I believe that's 66 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.319 intentional from the abortion lobby and industry is to yet 67 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.759 us to talk about anything but what we're really talking about, 68 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.280 which is abortion. And so to me, because I've been 69 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.159 the person sitting in that seat and doing that horrific act. 70 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.199 To me, when I hear the word abortion, I think 71 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.439 about the baby, what it was like for the baby 72 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.400 to try to get away from me, what the procedure is. 73 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.560 And for most people, if you ask them what an 74 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:56.879 abortion is, they say it's a choice. It's you know, 75 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.159 we care about women, and people who care about women 76 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.199 think that she should a choice. So I'm hoping that 77 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:07.879 people will understand to the two things, who the baby 78 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.680 really is. The fact that the baby actually is alive 79 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:15.360 from the very moment of experm fusion or fertilization is 80 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:20.199 what we would call expo fusion. And that literally is true. 81 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.279 This is an independent human organism one cell at first, 82 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:28.560 but just miraculously has all of its organs developing within 83 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.319 three or four weeks from a single cell. I mean, 84 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.399 what a miracle is that? And it literally is a 85 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:38.480 heartbeat at six weeks. Every organ, every major organ is 86 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:43.800 present by six weeks of pregnancy, so I mean, it's 87 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.959 really an incredible miracle. From the very beginning, you have 88 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.319 an independent organism from the mother that just happens to 89 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:53.759 be in a safe place basically in the mother's incubator 90 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.399 that she is providing what that baby needs until the 91 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:01.800 baby can be born and can be able to suck 92 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.879 food and digest food and do those things independently, but 93 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:10.399 always an independent organism, so we always have a human being. 94 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.319 And I think we would all agree that it's always 95 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.519 wrong to take the life of an innocent human being, 96 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.639 and that's what abortion does. And so therefore abortion is 97 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.920 wrong because of the life of an innocent human being, 98 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.879 no matter the circumstance. This is a human being, just 99 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.800 like us and doctor two other human beings matters, Yes. 100 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:34.800 Doctor Catherine Willer, our guests. So let's start from the 101 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:38.959 beginning here, because I'm sure there are some folks listening saying, well, 102 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.079 wait a second, how can it clinically be a quote 103 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:46.279 independent organism when at that point you know that the 104 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.399 life is dependent on the mother. So what do you 105 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.160 mean by the term independent organism? 106 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.399 So independent organism means that the functions of the organism 107 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:01.279 are united for the benefit of that organism. And so 108 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.920 even from the moment of fertilization, you have chromosomes coming 109 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:10.199 together in within hours for the benefit of that little psycho, 110 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.439 the single cell human being. It's already making proteins, getting 111 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:18.279 ready for the very first cell division. It's miraculous. So 112 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:21.959 it's been a day and a half. You have a 113 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.199 day to a day and a half, you've got that 114 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:30.000 original organism becoming two cells and then becoming doubling. And 115 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.279 so by the time you get to around the time 116 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.839 of her missed period, you have cell differentiation, the beginning 117 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:41.519 of organ formation. Like it's amazing, from one cell to that. 118 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.480 And so all of the functions are for the development 119 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:50.240 of that independent organism that has separate chromosomes from the mother. 120 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.319 And what the mother is doing is again providing nourishment, 121 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:59.639 for providing oxygen, nutrients, for moving waste from the baby, 122 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:04.160 is safe place that's protected from the outside world from 123 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.160 harm as the baby. 124 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:10.680 Develops, Doctor Wheeler, our guests, Now, Doctor that goes to 125 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.360 my next question when you say, and I know this 126 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.920 is medically clinically correct, that human life begins at that 127 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.360 egg sperm fusion, can you put some more meat on 128 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.079 the bone there for us? How do we know as 129 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.800 a matter of science that human life begins at that point, 130 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.800 because as you describe, you're talking about a single cell 131 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.240 organism at that point, So how can we clinically say 132 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.639 that's human life? 133 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:36.120 Right? 134 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.079 So we can say that it is human life because 135 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.800 first of all, there are human chromosomes and Secondly, they're 136 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:45.399 not the mother's chromosomes, so half from the mom, half 137 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.199 from the dad. So a unique set of chromosomes that 138 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.800 will never be repeated, and that those chromosomes then immediately 139 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:57.600 start functioning, so all of the cellular functions, but all 140 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:03.639 of it going into promoting the organism itself, the organism's growth, 141 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.800 and then developing different types of cells that become all 142 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.360 of our organs within an incredibly short period of time. 143 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.720 So the baby has to have a functional heart by 144 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:19.000 five to six weeks from her last period, so five 145 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.120 to six weeks of pregnancy, the baby has to be 146 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:24.439 able to pump blood, or the baby's gotten big enough 147 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.879 that it can't just passively diffuse nutrients and oxygen and 148 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.480 waste back to the mother. It actually needs a functional 149 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:32.480 cardiac system. 150 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.879 And so this point you made doctor about a unique 151 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.200 set of chromosome set will never be repeated. 152 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:42.919 So is a clinical point. 153 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:48.360 Does that mean that this undeniably human life, this particular 154 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:53.720 unique set of chromosomes, It means that individual will be 155 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.960 gone from the face of the earth forever if it 156 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.960 is killed or dies before it leaves the mother before 157 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.320 or birth exactly exactly. 158 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.879 I think that's part for me, one of the really 159 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:08.399 sad things is, you know, you tell people you can 160 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.240 try again, your baby's not normal. You can have an abortion, 161 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.399 and then you can try again for a normal baby, 162 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:17.960 you know, so called normal, but never that child. This 163 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.679 is a this is a once an eternity child that 164 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.879 these chromosomes would come together from these two parents and 165 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.000 combine in that way for that unique child. 166 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.159 And Doctor, when we come back from this break, would 167 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.000 like to, I mean, we'll talk a bit more about 168 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:37.440 prenatal biology, but then want to get into the clinical 169 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:42.480 medical realities of abortion procedures, because I think so many 170 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:48.279 people who support legalized abortion just don't understand the medical 171 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.000 reality of those procedures. 172 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:51.120 So we'll be back shortly. 173 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:55.840 Doctor Catherine Wheeler, who used to perform abortion, she knows 174 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.000 the truth about this clinically, and she's sharing it with 175 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:13.879 you on the day Capital Show is now saving innocent lives, 176 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.480 and she's here today to talk about an extraordinarily valuable 177 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.120 piece of this discussion and this ongoing effort to save 178 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.240 innocent human life, and that is to get into the medicine, 179 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.799 the clinical medicine, you know what is that? The medical 180 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:33.039 clinical reality of abortion. So we started talking about prenatal biology, 181 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.559 and there's certainly much more to talk about there, but 182 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.559 wanted to go on now and at least in an 183 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:43.399 outline form, to talk about the reality, the clinical reality 184 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.480 of abortion, the procedures, the drugs, how it is conducted. 185 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.559 So doctor, thanks for staying for the second segment, and 186 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.720 can you just take the floor, And again warning to 187 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:55.600 those who may have young kids in the car, the 188 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:00.200 medical reality of abortion is deeply disturbing. A lot of 189 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.000 people wall that off they don't want to think about it, 190 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:07.159 as they support legalized abortion, but the medical reality is 191 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.679 graphic and disturbing, and that's what the doctor is about 192 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:10.279 to describe. 193 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.799 So with that, doctor, please, the floor is yours. 194 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.559 So thank you, Dan, thank you for the opportunity to 195 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.960 share about this. And it is hard because we are 196 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.559 talking about how do we take the life of a 197 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.639 living baby. So as you think about it, first there's 198 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:33.279 medicine or drugs, and then secondly there are surgical procedures 199 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.639 and they change. The surgical procedures changed essentially by how 200 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:40.120 big the baby and the uterus are. Clearly, as the 201 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.720 baby gets bigger, what works in the first trimester doesn't 202 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.480 work later. So I will start with surgical procedures, and 203 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.639 in the first trimester up until about twelve to thirteen weeks, 204 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:57.720 you can imagine the uterus about the size of basically 205 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:02.080 filling the pelvis. Whole bowl of the pelvis is filled 206 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.519 with the uterus by the end of the first trimester, 207 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.720 and so the baby goes becomes only about two and 208 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:13.120 a half ish inches overall, but very complex. By eight weeks, 209 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.360 all of the organs are present and most of them 210 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.679 are functioning. So we have now and bones are starting 211 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:24.440 to calcify. So early in the first trimester, what looks 212 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.000 like essentially a straw that gradually gets bigger size. We 213 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.679 call that a section you're rat is placed into the 214 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.639 uter in cavity with suction applied here in the United States, 215 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:40.039 usually with the machine, and so a very strong section 216 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:43.159 at least ten times as strong as your vacuum cleaner 217 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.360 in your home, and it literally tears apart the baby 218 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.720 and pulls it through that section and the placentex. And 219 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:56.279 so that's the essential procedure for the first trimester. Now, 220 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.720 once the baby and the uterus are out of the 221 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:02.279 pelvis is starting to and the abdomen, you've now got 222 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.120 a pretty good sized baby that keeps getting bigger. So 223 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:08.000 by the time you're twenty weeks, the top of the 224 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.919 uterus is at the belly button and then of course 225 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:13.919 continues to grow upward to the ribcage and then outward. 226 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.679 We've all seen the pregnant women, are been pregnant ourselves, 227 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.200 some of us, and so now you have to say, well, 228 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.240 how do you get a baby that size out? And 229 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.879 so in the second trimester that's done literally by tearing 230 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.360 the baby apart. And so those are again surgical procedures. 231 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:34.000 They try to claim that they're not surgical, but they are. 232 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:38.399 And it's called a dilation in evacuation. So you're basically 233 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:44.360 dilating the cervix starting the day before and then actually 234 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:47.039 using instruments. You break the bag of waters, you can 235 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:51.879 reach the baby, and you're using instruments that are graspers 236 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:56.159 and literally grabbing whatever parts closest to you, twisting and pulling, 237 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.440 and so the baby comes out piece by piece, and 238 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:01.559 you literally have to crush the baby's head to get 239 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.600 the baby's head out, and then the parts are collected. 240 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:09.639 It's the abortionless job to look and to make sure 241 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.440 all the major parts are accounted for. So you're literally 242 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:17.080 counting arms, legs, looking at fingers, looking at the abdomen, 243 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.600 and looking at the baby's head. And then you use 244 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:24.919 a section a bigger suction canula or straw like thing 245 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:29.120 that use to suck out the placenta that's remaining end. 246 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:31.679 So that's a D and E. That's how it's most 247 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.840 commonly done in the second trimester. But now once you're 248 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.720 over twenty two to twenty four weeks, you're getting pretty 249 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.480 close to the rib cage and the baby is well calcified, 250 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:45.480 really strong ligaments, and it's too difficult to do that. 251 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:47.600 The other part of it is once you get to 252 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.600 these age where the baby can survive outside the womb, 253 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.480 which these days is around twenty two weeks in a 254 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:58.120 good facility with a high level nursery, now half of 255 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.519 baby's if you just induce labor to get them out, 256 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:03.279 which is now how you get them out as by 257 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.559 inducing labor, which is a multi day procedure, so it's 258 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.039 just like inducing labors. Of the goal is to have 259 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:14.639 a dead baby, not alive baby. So now if you 260 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.000 just induce labor, about half of those babies in some 261 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.799 studies even more will be born alive and they call 262 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:26.080 that the dreaded complication. So what they want to do 263 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.519 is to be absolutely sure the baby is dead. That's 264 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.799 called feet aside, and they're now again playing with the 265 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.120 words to make it sound better. They now call it 266 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:38.240 induced cardiac asistely, which means the heart's no longer beating. 267 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.399 We would call that dead, but they're trying to make 268 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:45.000 it sound better. So they first inject drugs into the 269 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.320 baby it's most typical, or into the fluid around the baby. 270 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.240 It's a horrific death for the baby. It's an overdose 271 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:55.000 of very toxic drug. It's very painful. The babies have 272 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.799 extreme activity during this because it's so much pain for them, 273 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.960 and some of them, about five percent of them in 274 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.240 big studies, will not die depending on how it's done. 275 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.879 Within twenty four hours and they repeat it again. The 276 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.279 other way they kill them is to try to grasp 277 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.240 the baby's cord and biblical cord and cut the cord 278 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.240 and basically let the baby bleed to death. So they're 279 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.759 all horrible procedures. But again this is a multi day 280 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:24.960 procedure to get her cervix dilated enough that either the 281 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.120 baby delivers or they use instruments to get the baby 282 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:32.200 out once the baby's dead. And those again are very 283 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:35.320 they're dangerous for the woman. They're much more dangerous than 284 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:38.679 and induced life birds, although they don't want women to 285 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.679 know that. They mostly use first trimester data to try 286 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.159 to convince women that they're not dangerous. But they are 287 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.279 now moving from that and here in Colorado, abortions are 288 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.440 done through the first trimester. They're legal. You know, it's 289 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:57.759 kind of interesting that they'll say they don't the primester. Yeah, 290 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:01.039 so you'll hear them saying, you know, they're not really done. Well, 291 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:04.240 we have almost five hundred last year. 292 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.519 Oh my lord, third trimester, third trimester abortions o. 293 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:13.440 Your viability after Okay, okay, so it's not a small number. 294 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.480 It's more than an average of one a day, and 295 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:17.599 the majority and they want you to believe that most 296 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.119 of them have birth defects. And still that's a horrible 297 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:21.839 way to die if you have a birth effect. I mean, 298 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:25.119 the babies are not suffering in meter up. But it 299 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:27.519 turns out more than seventy percent of them are actually 300 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:31.200 completely normal. They're the same reason, it says first trimester 301 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:35.480 again them, which is mostly financial and social reasons. So 302 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.440 those are the surgical ones. We haven't talked about complications, 303 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.039 and perhaps in the future we can the medication or 304 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:44.599 drug induced abortions. 305 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.799 Doctor may interrupt you before going to that category. We're 306 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.000 up against our break. Can you stay one more segment? 307 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:53.519 Of course, Doctor Catherine Wheeler a tremendous resource. She used 308 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.799 to conduct abortions, obviously a medical doctor, and she's here 309 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.799 to talk about the clinical reality of abortion, which doesn't 310 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.680 get discussed often enough, and so many people who are 311 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.519 pro abortion just sort of wall off. They don't want 312 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.839 to know these medical truths. But we're going to pursue 313 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:11.920 the truth, find it and report it. She'll be back 314 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.279 to talk about chemical as well on the Dan Capitla Show. 315 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.279 Here on the Dan Capli Show Real Privilege, you have 316 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.559 doctor Catherine Wheeler with us. She is a doctor used 317 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.559 to perform abortion. She knows of what she speaks and 318 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:39.680 we're talking about the clinical truth, the clinical reality of abortion, 319 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.400 which so many people, particularly on the pro abortion side, 320 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:47.279 are not aware of. So this started at five oh six. 321 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.759 We started with prenatal biology and then we moved into 322 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:56.279 abortion procedures of different types at different stages. And obviously 323 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.119 the doctor is giving an overview at this point, it 324 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.880 just talked about your point that most recent data about 325 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:09.240 five hundred of these post viability abortions in Colorado be 326 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:12.000 on that point where the baby could survive outside the mother, 327 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:16.400 and so just talking about the nature of that particular 328 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:20.160 horror and the number of those, And now would you 329 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.680 take a second please and educate us all on these 330 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:29.920 chemical abortions now that constitute a significant percentage of the 331 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:34.640 procedures involved in taking human life, particularly at the earliest stages. 332 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.759 Yes, thank you. So some would call them chemical abortions, 333 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:43.440 the abortion industry would call them medical abortions. Others call 334 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:47.559 them drug induced abortions. But we're talking about is most 335 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.759 commonly a two drug regimen. The first one is called 336 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.440 nifipristone and it is a progesterone blocker. Now, progesterone is 337 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:01.839 an essential hormone of pregnancy to maintain the interface between 338 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:05.039 the mom and the baby. Basically with a placentas developing 339 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.960 that supports the baby. So if you block progesterone, you 340 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.279 lose the function of the placenta and the baby essentially 341 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:16.200 dies of not getting oxygen or nutrients. So that's the 342 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:20.240 goal of the first drug. Then anywhere from at the 343 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:23.920 same time, more commonly one to two days later. A 344 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:28.160 second drug is called misoprostol, which is a prostic land 345 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.839 in most people that think about that as causing tramping, 346 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:36.319 and it actually essentially causes leads to contract and expel 347 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:40.880 what's most commonly a dead baby. And that is, according 348 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.720 to the FDA, approved until ten weeks of pregnancy. Now 349 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.559 the risk of it goes up every single week of pregnancy, 350 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.440 and now that we have been through COVID. During that time, 351 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:56.720 it was used as an advantage to push so called 352 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:01.559 telehealth or even ordering it online. It's no connection with 353 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.519 a medical person, and so a lot of these women 354 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.799 don't know how far along they are. And as I said, 355 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.039 the risk go up exponentially with every single week. So 356 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:14.200 by the second trimesters about a forty percent that's four 357 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.519 zero percent complication rate. So they're not getting they're not 358 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.599 making sure they don't have an ectopic pregnancy, which is 359 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.559 life threatening. It's when the baby hasn't arrived in the 360 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:28.640 uterine cavity and then planted, so the baby implants outside 361 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:31.799 of the uterus, most commonly in the Floakian tube. And 362 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.240 it's one of the top causes of death in the 363 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:38.240 first trimester. So while it's not terribly common, it's about 364 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.839 two percent of pregnancies, it's life threatening and you're supposed to, 365 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.000 according to the FDA, have an ultrasound to make sure 366 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.440 you know how far long you are and to make 367 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.640 sure you don't have an ectopic pregnancy because it's life threatening. 368 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.400 But people the system is now bypassing that for a 369 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.480 lot of people. About seventy percent of abortions in Colorado 370 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:03.559 are now done with these drugs, so that is very significant. 371 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:08.079 That's the new frontier for the abortion industry. Unfortunately, and 372 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:10.799 their complication rates are about four times the rate of 373 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:15.240 first trimester surgical abortions, with fifteen percent of women actually 374 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:19.920 hemorrhaging and one in five having some kind of a complication. 375 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:23.480 So they're not as safe as Thailan at all. They're 376 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.160 actually much more dangerous than first trimester and the women 377 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:31.440 having them experience really horrible, much more pain and bleeding 378 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.599 than they expect. So we're hearing a lot back from 379 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.400 the women who believe that they're is safe at Thailand 380 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.680 Alms very coercive. 381 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.519 And then going back to where we began the conversation 382 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.160 about prenatal biology. 383 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:48.079 One way or the other, what you have. 384 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:53.000 Is an independent human life that that will never again 385 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.079 exist on the face of the earth is killed. So 386 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.440 this procedure, right, and doctor, you had talked at links 387 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:02.799 earlier before I'm sure much of our current audience joined 388 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:08.640 us about these second trimester abortions, these DNA abortions. Can 389 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:12.079 you give us an idea at this point, how common 390 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.160 that is, maybe how many a year there are in Colorado? 391 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.279 And at what point that the baby feels the pain? 392 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.640 Yeah, So I thank you the way that you've framed it, 393 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.039 because the point is we've got a living human being. 394 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.599 So whether they feel pain or not, the point is 395 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.200 we have a living human being. But it is definitely 396 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.440 more horrific when they can feel the pain. And we 397 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.119 now know and we know this through fidel anesthesia. We 398 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:41.720 know this from babies who are born extremely early that 399 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:44.920 they and from fetal surgery. We know that babies feel 400 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:49.279 pain much earlier than what the major medical organizations claim. 401 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.480