Speaker 1: In American ways, we fight for truth and justice, and
Speaker 1: no fight for truth and justice more important than the
Speaker 1: fight to save these innocent human lives that are being
Speaker 1: destroyed in such.
Speaker 2: Massive numbers through abortions.
Speaker 1: So we bring you something I think particularly valuable to
Speaker 1: you today, and that is the medicine. We're going to
Speaker 1: have a factual, clinical discussion about the medical realities of
Speaker 1: prenatal biology and abortion procedures and drugs. And very kind
Speaker 1: to be with us today for that is doctor Catherine Wheeler.
Speaker 1: And she's a hero in the life movement because she
Speaker 1: used to perform abortions and then she obviously saw how
Speaker 1: wrong that is and had the courage to step up
Speaker 1: now and defend life. And doctor thank you for being
Speaker 1: with us. Obviously, you bring to the table a very
Speaker 1: unique credibility given your history on the other side of
Speaker 1: this issue, but also medical knowledge, so you can just
Speaker 1: lay out for people that the clinical medicine on this
Speaker 1: and you know will warn folks who may have young
Speaker 1: kids in the car, et cetera, that because doctor Wheeler
Speaker 1: is going to be telling the medical clinical truth about abortion,
Speaker 1: it is going to be deeply disturbing. In a times graphic,
Speaker 1: Doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3: And thank you so much for taking on this issue.
Speaker 3: And it's such a privilege to be with you and
Speaker 3: your listeners.
Speaker 2: Thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's of great value to all of us because no
Speaker 1: matter where somebody is on this issue and what they
Speaker 1: think the quote policy should be, it's so hard to
Speaker 1: get just the medical facts.
Speaker 2: So why don't we start this way?
Speaker 1: And then I hope this will be a regular segment,
Speaker 1: but but could you just start with just prenatal biology?
Speaker 2: How does all this work?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for bringing this up. You know, as
Speaker 3: I talk to people like abortion is a completely add
Speaker 3: turn to people, So I appreciate the opportunity because we're
Speaker 3: really talking about only two important things. But they're the
Speaker 3: things that, oh I'm so sorry for the noise. They're
Speaker 3: the things that they don't want us talking about. Who
Speaker 3: is in the uterus?
Speaker 2: Is that dinner?
Speaker 3: Sorry? No, I'm actually in a place that was super
Speaker 3: quiet and.
Speaker 2: We happen to me a time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So they don't want us to talk about
Speaker 3: the baby. They want us to think this is not
Speaker 3: a human being, that it's not alive. It's like all
Speaker 3: the reasons why it's okay to take the life of
Speaker 3: a human being. Well, it's not a baby yet, it's
Speaker 3: not alive yet, it doesn't look like us, it doesn't
Speaker 3: do all the things that we do as adults. Well,
Speaker 3: they don't until they're in their late twenties, you know,
Speaker 3: That's when we finally finish maturing. And so it's anything
Speaker 3: they can do to get us to not talk about
Speaker 3: the baby. And the second part is they don't want
Speaker 3: you to think about what's procedure is and what the
Speaker 3: intention of the procedure is. And the procedure, as the
Speaker 3: CDC says, is an intervention that does not end in
Speaker 3: a live birth. So the intention is to not have
Speaker 3: a live birth. Well that's kind of a twisted language.
Speaker 3: The goal is at the baby's dead for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the most important thing. And we
Speaker 3: get so distracted by everything else. And I believe that's
Speaker 3: intentional from the abortion lobby and industry is to yet
Speaker 3: us to talk about anything but what we're really talking about,
Speaker 3: which is abortion. And so to me, because I've been
Speaker 3: the person sitting in that seat and doing that horrific act.
Speaker 3: To me, when I hear the word abortion, I think
Speaker 3: about the baby, what it was like for the baby
Speaker 3: to try to get away from me, what the procedure is.
Speaker 3: And for most people, if you ask them what an
Speaker 3: abortion is, they say it's a choice. It's you know,
Speaker 3: we care about women, and people who care about women
Speaker 3: think that she should a choice. So I'm hoping that
Speaker 3: people will understand to the two things, who the baby
Speaker 3: really is. The fact that the baby actually is alive
Speaker 3: from the very moment of experm fusion or fertilization is
Speaker 3: what we would call expo fusion. And that literally is true.
Speaker 3: This is an independent human organism one cell at first,
Speaker 3: but just miraculously has all of its organs developing within
Speaker 3: three or four weeks from a single cell. I mean,
Speaker 3: what a miracle is that? And it literally is a
Speaker 3: heartbeat at six weeks. Every organ, every major organ is
Speaker 3: present by six weeks of pregnancy, so I mean, it's
Speaker 3: really an incredible miracle. From the very beginning, you have
Speaker 3: an independent organism from the mother that just happens to
Speaker 3: be in a safe place basically in the mother's incubator
Speaker 3: that she is providing what that baby needs until the
Speaker 3: baby can be born and can be able to suck
Speaker 3: food and digest food and do those things independently, but
Speaker 3: always an independent organism, so we always have a human being.
Speaker 3: And I think we would all agree that it's always
Speaker 3: wrong to take the life of an innocent human being,
Speaker 3: and that's what abortion does. And so therefore abortion is
Speaker 3: wrong because of the life of an innocent human being,
Speaker 3: no matter the circumstance. This is a human being, just
Speaker 3: like us and doctor two other human beings matters, Yes.
Speaker 1: Doctor Catherine Willer, our guests. So let's start from the
Speaker 1: beginning here, because I'm sure there are some folks listening saying, well,
Speaker 1: wait a second, how can it clinically be a quote
Speaker 1: independent organism when at that point you know that the
Speaker 1: life is dependent on the mother. So what do you
Speaker 1: mean by the term independent organism?
Speaker 3: So independent organism means that the functions of the organism
Speaker 3: are united for the benefit of that organism. And so
Speaker 3: even from the moment of fertilization, you have chromosomes coming
Speaker 3: together in within hours for the benefit of that little psycho,
Speaker 3: the single cell human being. It's already making proteins, getting
Speaker 3: ready for the very first cell division. It's miraculous. So
Speaker 3: it's been a day and a half. You have a
Speaker 3: day to a day and a half, you've got that
Speaker 3: original organism becoming two cells and then becoming doubling. And
Speaker 3: so by the time you get to around the time
Speaker 3: of her missed period, you have cell differentiation, the beginning
Speaker 3: of organ formation. Like it's amazing, from one cell to that.
Speaker 3: And so all of the functions are for the development
Speaker 3: of that independent organism that has separate chromosomes from the mother.
Speaker 3: And what the mother is doing is again providing nourishment,
Speaker 3: for providing oxygen, nutrients, for moving waste from the baby,
Speaker 3: is safe place that's protected from the outside world from
Speaker 3: harm as the baby.
Speaker 1: Develops, Doctor Wheeler, our guests, Now, Doctor that goes to
Speaker 1: my next question when you say, and I know this
Speaker 1: is medically clinically correct, that human life begins at that
Speaker 1: egg sperm fusion, can you put some more meat on
Speaker 1: the bone there for us? How do we know as
Speaker 1: a matter of science that human life begins at that point,
Speaker 1: because as you describe, you're talking about a single cell
Speaker 1: organism at that point, So how can we clinically say
Speaker 1: that's human life?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: So we can say that it is human life because
Speaker 3: first of all, there are human chromosomes and Secondly, they're
Speaker 3: not the mother's chromosomes, so half from the mom, half
Speaker 3: from the dad. So a unique set of chromosomes that
Speaker 3: will never be repeated, and that those chromosomes then immediately
Speaker 3: start functioning, so all of the cellular functions, but all
Speaker 3: of it going into promoting the organism itself, the organism's growth,
Speaker 3: and then developing different types of cells that become all
Speaker 3: of our organs within an incredibly short period of time.
Speaker 3: So the baby has to have a functional heart by
Speaker 3: five to six weeks from her last period, so five
Speaker 3: to six weeks of pregnancy, the baby has to be
Speaker 3: able to pump blood, or the baby's gotten big enough
Speaker 3: that it can't just passively diffuse nutrients and oxygen and
Speaker 3: waste back to the mother. It actually needs a functional
Speaker 3: cardiac system.
Speaker 1: And so this point you made doctor about a unique
Speaker 1: set of chromosome set will never be repeated.
Speaker 2: So is a clinical point.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that this undeniably human life, this particular
Speaker 1: unique set of chromosomes, It means that individual will be
Speaker 1: gone from the face of the earth forever if it
Speaker 1: is killed or dies before it leaves the mother before
Speaker 1: or birth exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: I think that's part for me, one of the really
Speaker 3: sad things is, you know, you tell people you can
Speaker 3: try again, your baby's not normal. You can have an abortion,
Speaker 3: and then you can try again for a normal baby,
Speaker 3: you know, so called normal, but never that child. This
Speaker 3: is a this is a once an eternity child that
Speaker 3: these chromosomes would come together from these two parents and
Speaker 3: combine in that way for that unique child.
Speaker 1: And Doctor, when we come back from this break, would
Speaker 1: like to, I mean, we'll talk a bit more about
Speaker 1: prenatal biology, but then want to get into the clinical
Speaker 1: medical realities of abortion procedures, because I think so many
Speaker 1: people who support legalized abortion just don't understand the medical
Speaker 1: reality of those procedures.
Speaker 2: So we'll be back shortly.
Speaker 1: Doctor Catherine Wheeler, who used to perform abortion, she knows
Speaker 1: the truth about this clinically, and she's sharing it with
Speaker 1: you on the day Capital Show is now saving innocent lives,
Speaker 1: and she's here today to talk about an extraordinarily valuable
Speaker 1: piece of this discussion and this ongoing effort to save
Speaker 1: innocent human life, and that is to get into the medicine,
Speaker 1: the clinical medicine, you know what is that? The medical
Speaker 1: clinical reality of abortion. So we started talking about prenatal biology,
Speaker 1: and there's certainly much more to talk about there, but
Speaker 1: wanted to go on now and at least in an
Speaker 1: outline form, to talk about the reality, the clinical reality
Speaker 1: of abortion, the procedures, the drugs, how it is conducted.
Speaker 1: So doctor, thanks for staying for the second segment, and
Speaker 1: can you just take the floor, And again warning to
Speaker 1: those who may have young kids in the car, the
Speaker 1: medical reality of abortion is deeply disturbing. A lot of
Speaker 1: people wall that off they don't want to think about it,
Speaker 1: as they support legalized abortion, but the medical reality is
Speaker 1: graphic and disturbing, and that's what the doctor is about
Speaker 1: to describe.
Speaker 2: So with that, doctor, please, the floor is yours.
Speaker 3: So thank you, Dan, thank you for the opportunity to
Speaker 3: share about this. And it is hard because we are
Speaker 3: talking about how do we take the life of a
Speaker 3: living baby. So as you think about it, first there's
Speaker 3: medicine or drugs, and then secondly there are surgical procedures
Speaker 3: and they change. The surgical procedures changed essentially by how
Speaker 3: big the baby and the uterus are. Clearly, as the
Speaker 3: baby gets bigger, what works in the first trimester doesn't
Speaker 3: work later. So I will start with surgical procedures, and
Speaker 3: in the first trimester up until about twelve to thirteen weeks,
Speaker 3: you can imagine the uterus about the size of basically
Speaker 3: filling the pelvis. Whole bowl of the pelvis is filled
Speaker 3: with the uterus by the end of the first trimester,
Speaker 3: and so the baby goes becomes only about two and
Speaker 3: a half ish inches overall, but very complex. By eight weeks,
Speaker 3: all of the organs are present and most of them
Speaker 3: are functioning. So we have now and bones are starting
Speaker 3: to calcify. So early in the first trimester, what looks
Speaker 3: like essentially a straw that gradually gets bigger size. We
Speaker 3: call that a section you're rat is placed into the
Speaker 3: uter in cavity with suction applied here in the United States,
Speaker 3: usually with the machine, and so a very strong section
Speaker 3: at least ten times as strong as your vacuum cleaner
Speaker 3: in your home, and it literally tears apart the baby
Speaker 3: and pulls it through that section and the placentex. And
Speaker 3: so that's the essential procedure for the first trimester. Now,
Speaker 3: once the baby and the uterus are out of the
Speaker 3: pelvis is starting to and the abdomen, you've now got
Speaker 3: a pretty good sized baby that keeps getting bigger. So
Speaker 3: by the time you're twenty weeks, the top of the
Speaker 3: uterus is at the belly button and then of course
Speaker 3: continues to grow upward to the ribcage and then outward.
Speaker 3: We've all seen the pregnant women, are been pregnant ourselves,
Speaker 3: some of us, and so now you have to say, well,
Speaker 3: how do you get a baby that size out? And
Speaker 3: so in the second trimester that's done literally by tearing
Speaker 3: the baby apart. And so those are again surgical procedures.
Speaker 3: They try to claim that they're not surgical, but they are.
Speaker 3: And it's called a dilation in evacuation. So you're basically
Speaker 3: dilating the cervix starting the day before and then actually
Speaker 3: using instruments. You break the bag of waters, you can
Speaker 3: reach the baby, and you're using instruments that are graspers
Speaker 3: and literally grabbing whatever parts closest to you, twisting and pulling,
Speaker 3: and so the baby comes out piece by piece, and
Speaker 3: you literally have to crush the baby's head to get
Speaker 3: the baby's head out, and then the parts are collected.
Speaker 3: It's the abortionless job to look and to make sure
Speaker 3: all the major parts are accounted for. So you're literally
Speaker 3: counting arms, legs, looking at fingers, looking at the abdomen,
Speaker 3: and looking at the baby's head. And then you use
Speaker 3: a section a bigger suction canula or straw like thing
Speaker 3: that use to suck out the placenta that's remaining end.
Speaker 3: So that's a D and E. That's how it's most
Speaker 3: commonly done in the second trimester. But now once you're
Speaker 3: over twenty two to twenty four weeks, you're getting pretty
Speaker 3: close to the rib cage and the baby is well calcified,
Speaker 3: really strong ligaments, and it's too difficult to do that.
Speaker 3: The other part of it is once you get to
Speaker 3: these age where the baby can survive outside the womb,
Speaker 3: which these days is around twenty two weeks in a
Speaker 3: good facility with a high level nursery, now half of
Speaker 3: baby's if you just induce labor to get them out,
Speaker 3: which is now how you get them out as by
Speaker 3: inducing labor, which is a multi day procedure, so it's
Speaker 3: just like inducing labors. Of the goal is to have
Speaker 3: a dead baby, not alive baby. So now if you
Speaker 3: just induce labor, about half of those babies in some
Speaker 3: studies even more will be born alive and they call
Speaker 3: that the dreaded complication. So what they want to do
Speaker 3: is to be absolutely sure the baby is dead. That's
Speaker 3: called feet aside, and they're now again playing with the
Speaker 3: words to make it sound better. They now call it
Speaker 3: induced cardiac asistely, which means the heart's no longer beating.
Speaker 3: We would call that dead, but they're trying to make
Speaker 3: it sound better. So they first inject drugs into the
Speaker 3: baby it's most typical, or into the fluid around the baby.
Speaker 3: It's a horrific death for the baby. It's an overdose
Speaker 3: of very toxic drug. It's very painful. The babies have
Speaker 3: extreme activity during this because it's so much pain for them,
Speaker 3: and some of them, about five percent of them in
Speaker 3: big studies, will not die depending on how it's done.
Speaker 3: Within twenty four hours and they repeat it again. The
Speaker 3: other way they kill them is to try to grasp
Speaker 3: the baby's cord and biblical cord and cut the cord
Speaker 3: and basically let the baby bleed to death. So they're
Speaker 3: all horrible procedures. But again this is a multi day
Speaker 3: procedure to get her cervix dilated enough that either the
Speaker 3: baby delivers or they use instruments to get the baby
Speaker 3: out once the baby's dead. And those again are very
Speaker 3: they're dangerous for the woman. They're much more dangerous than
Speaker 3: and induced life birds, although they don't want women to
Speaker 3: know that. They mostly use first trimester data to try
Speaker 3: to convince women that they're not dangerous. But they are
Speaker 3: now moving from that and here in Colorado, abortions are
Speaker 3: done through the first trimester. They're legal. You know, it's
Speaker 3: kind of interesting that they'll say they don't the primester. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you'll hear them saying, you know, they're not really done. Well,
Speaker 3: we have almost five hundred last year.
Speaker 2: Oh my lord, third trimester, third trimester abortions o.
Speaker 3: Your viability after Okay, okay, so it's not a small number.
Speaker 3: It's more than an average of one a day, and
Speaker 3: the majority and they want you to believe that most
Speaker 3: of them have birth defects. And still that's a horrible
Speaker 3: way to die if you have a birth effect. I mean,
Speaker 3: the babies are not suffering in meter up. But it
Speaker 3: turns out more than seventy percent of them are actually
Speaker 3: completely normal. They're the same reason, it says first trimester
Speaker 3: again them, which is mostly financial and social reasons. So
Speaker 3: those are the surgical ones. We haven't talked about complications,
Speaker 3: and perhaps in the future we can the medication or
Speaker 3: drug induced abortions.
Speaker 1: Doctor may interrupt you before going to that category. We're
Speaker 1: up against our break. Can you stay one more segment?
Speaker 1: Of course, Doctor Catherine Wheeler a tremendous resource. She used
Speaker 1: to conduct abortions, obviously a medical doctor, and she's here
Speaker 1: to talk about the clinical reality of abortion, which doesn't
Speaker 1: get discussed often enough, and so many people who are
Speaker 1: pro abortion just sort of wall off. They don't want
Speaker 1: to know these medical truths. But we're going to pursue
Speaker 1: the truth, find it and report it. She'll be back
Speaker 1: to talk about chemical as well on the Dan Capitla Show.
Speaker 1: Here on the Dan Capli Show Real Privilege, you have
Speaker 1: doctor Catherine Wheeler with us. She is a doctor used
Speaker 1: to perform abortion. She knows of what she speaks and
Speaker 1: we're talking about the clinical truth, the clinical reality of abortion,
Speaker 1: which so many people, particularly on the pro abortion side,
Speaker 1: are not aware of. So this started at five oh six.
Speaker 1: We started with prenatal biology and then we moved into
Speaker 1: abortion procedures of different types at different stages. And obviously
Speaker 1: the doctor is giving an overview at this point, it
Speaker 1: just talked about your point that most recent data about
Speaker 1: five hundred of these post viability abortions in Colorado be
Speaker 1: on that point where the baby could survive outside the mother,
Speaker 1: and so just talking about the nature of that particular
Speaker 1: horror and the number of those, And now would you
Speaker 1: take a second please and educate us all on these
Speaker 1: chemical abortions now that constitute a significant percentage of the
Speaker 1: procedures involved in taking human life, particularly at the earliest stages.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you. So some would call them chemical abortions,
Speaker 3: the abortion industry would call them medical abortions. Others call
Speaker 3: them drug induced abortions. But we're talking about is most
Speaker 3: commonly a two drug regimen. The first one is called
Speaker 3: nifipristone and it is a progesterone blocker. Now, progesterone is
Speaker 3: an essential hormone of pregnancy to maintain the interface between
Speaker 3: the mom and the baby. Basically with a placentas developing
Speaker 3: that supports the baby. So if you block progesterone, you
Speaker 3: lose the function of the placenta and the baby essentially
Speaker 3: dies of not getting oxygen or nutrients. So that's the
Speaker 3: goal of the first drug. Then anywhere from at the
Speaker 3: same time, more commonly one to two days later. A
Speaker 3: second drug is called misoprostol, which is a prostic land
Speaker 3: in most people that think about that as causing tramping,
Speaker 3: and it actually essentially causes leads to contract and expel
Speaker 3: what's most commonly a dead baby. And that is, according
Speaker 3: to the FDA, approved until ten weeks of pregnancy. Now
Speaker 3: the risk of it goes up every single week of pregnancy,
Speaker 3: and now that we have been through COVID. During that time,
Speaker 3: it was used as an advantage to push so called
Speaker 3: telehealth or even ordering it online. It's no connection with
Speaker 3: a medical person, and so a lot of these women
Speaker 3: don't know how far along they are. And as I said,
Speaker 3: the risk go up exponentially with every single week. So
Speaker 3: by the second trimesters about a forty percent that's four
Speaker 3: zero percent complication rate. So they're not getting they're not
Speaker 3: making sure they don't have an ectopic pregnancy, which is
Speaker 3: life threatening. It's when the baby hasn't arrived in the
Speaker 3: uterine cavity and then planted, so the baby implants outside
Speaker 3: of the uterus, most commonly in the Floakian tube. And
Speaker 3: it's one of the top causes of death in the
Speaker 3: first trimester. So while it's not terribly common, it's about
Speaker 3: two percent of pregnancies, it's life threatening and you're supposed to,
Speaker 3: according to the FDA, have an ultrasound to make sure
Speaker 3: you know how far long you are and to make
Speaker 3: sure you don't have an ectopic pregnancy because it's life threatening.
Speaker 3: But people the system is now bypassing that for a
Speaker 3: lot of people. About seventy percent of abortions in Colorado
Speaker 3: are now done with these drugs, so that is very significant.
Speaker 3: That's the new frontier for the abortion industry. Unfortunately, and
Speaker 3: their complication rates are about four times the rate of
Speaker 3: first trimester surgical abortions, with fifteen percent of women actually
Speaker 3: hemorrhaging and one in five having some kind of a complication.
Speaker 3: So they're not as safe as Thailan at all. They're
Speaker 3: actually much more dangerous than first trimester and the women
Speaker 3: having them experience really horrible, much more pain and bleeding
Speaker 3: than they expect. So we're hearing a lot back from
Speaker 3: the women who believe that they're is safe at Thailand
Speaker 3: Alms very coercive.
Speaker 1: And then going back to where we began the conversation
Speaker 1: about prenatal biology.
Speaker 2: One way or the other, what you have.
Speaker 1: Is an independent human life that that will never again
Speaker 1: exist on the face of the earth is killed. So
Speaker 1: this procedure, right, and doctor, you had talked at links
Speaker 1: earlier before I'm sure much of our current audience joined
Speaker 1: us about these second trimester abortions, these DNA abortions. Can
Speaker 1: you give us an idea at this point, how common
Speaker 1: that is, maybe how many a year there are in Colorado?
Speaker 1: And at what point that the baby feels the pain?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thank you the way that you've framed it,
Speaker 3: because the point is we've got a living human being.
Speaker 3: So whether they feel pain or not, the point is
Speaker 3: we have a living human being. But it is definitely
Speaker 3: more horrific when they can feel the pain. And we
Speaker 3: now know and we know this through fidel anesthesia. We
Speaker 3: know this from babies who are born extremely early that
Speaker 3: they and from fetal surgery. We know that babies feel
Speaker 3: pain much earlier than what the major medical organizations claim.
Speaker 3: Some of them claim not until middle of the second
Speaker 3: third trimester, some of them say twenty four weeks plus,
Speaker 3: but it's probably as early as twelve weeks that they're
Speaker 3: feeling pain. So you know, I think that's really significant.
Speaker 3: Ninety percent of abortions are done in the first trimester
Speaker 3: according to most recent data, and so somewhere in Colorado,
Speaker 3: it's close to four percent are done after the age
Speaker 3: of viability. So in Colorado, that would leave somewhere in
Speaker 3: the vicinity of six to seven percent done in that
Speaker 3: earlier second trimester.
Speaker 1: And I thought, how many abortions a year do you
Speaker 1: think are done in Colorado?
Speaker 3: Oh, I wish I had that number still on the
Speaker 3: top of my head. It's my recollection is it's close
Speaker 3: to four thousand. Yeah right, what about weight percent coming
Speaker 3: from out of state?
Speaker 2: Yeah right?
Speaker 1: And just separate issue onto itself, horrible issue onto itself.
Speaker 1: But doctor, in the few minutes we have left, and
Speaker 1: I hope we do a regular visit on this on
Speaker 1: the medicine, just these medical realities, which I think is
Speaker 1: so helpful to so many people. Can you, from a
Speaker 1: medical standpoint to address a few of these things we
Speaker 1: often hear, such as from a medical standpoint to claim
Speaker 1: that more women will die if there's not unrestricted access
Speaker 1: to unlimited abortion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that is such a long answer. I
Speaker 3: would love to spend a segment.
Speaker 1: On you, Oh, okay, Well, let's save that for the
Speaker 1: next show and do a whole segment on it.
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the biggest narratives. I would
Speaker 3: love to just talk about some of the narratives out there,
Speaker 3: because there's so many things that are meant to distract
Speaker 3: people from thinking about abortion and to think, you know,
Speaker 3: there may be circumstances when it's okay to take the
Speaker 3: life of a human being, and I think those need
Speaker 3: to be addressed. May I go back to the drug
Speaker 3: induced abortions or chemical abortion? I would be remiss if
Speaker 3: I didn't say there are people who, if they change
Speaker 3: their mind, have an opportunity even after taking the first drug,
Speaker 3: if they haven't taken the second drug, and it's within
Speaker 3: seventy two hours, there's actually about two thirds of those
Speaker 3: babies can be saved by giving high dose natural progesterone.
Speaker 3: It's the natural pedesterone, the same one that the mother
Speaker 3: would make, and it basically overcomes the block of the
Speaker 3: mifipristone drug on the progesterone receptors, and about sixty seven
Speaker 3: percent of babies will survive. And they can call a
Speaker 3: local pregnancy resource center here in Colorado. They've made it
Speaker 3: illegal except for one organization that immediately filed a lawsuit,
Speaker 3: and that's called Bella Health in Denver. So there are
Speaker 3: still opportunities in Colorado to potentially save your baby's life.
Speaker 1: If that's you, and how sick to try to make
Speaker 1: saving the baby legal, right that the pro abortion movement's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a choice, and then the mother decides, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to take that baby's life. Oh, you
Speaker 1: can't have that choice, says that the pro abortion movement.
Speaker 1: It's just it reveals what they really are. But doctors,
Speaker 1: so grateful for your time. Why don't we do this
Speaker 1: the next time we get together, which hopefully will be
Speaker 1: in the next week or two. Let's address from a
Speaker 1: medical standpoint some of these other myths, such as abortion
Speaker 1: is essential healthcare, you know, which is the argument we
Speaker 1: often hear. But again, grateful for your medical expertise, grateful
Speaker 1: for your time, Grateful for your courage as someone who
Speaker 1: used to perform abortions, you know, in your professional career.
Speaker 1: To be now standing up for life and using your
Speaker 1: skills this way is just very inspiring.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, I've come to realize that
Speaker 3: most people are deceived and they just don't know or
Speaker 3: haven't bought about it like I did. I hate the narrative.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just a hard decision some women have
Speaker 3: to make and it's just not true. So I love
Speaker 3: to be able to share and to answer questions and
Speaker 3: to help people to think it through more clearly than
Speaker 3: I obviously did.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Thank you again for everything, and we'll
Speaker 1: look forward to the next conversation.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You take care of That is doctor Katherine Wheeler, And
Speaker 1: it's been to me one of the real, really cool
Speaker 1: things about the pro life movement the whole time I've
Speaker 1: been exposed to it, because I consider my mom to
Speaker 1: have been really one of the founders of it. But
Speaker 1: how the biggest heroes in the pro life movement and
Speaker 1: within the movement, the way they're viewed by people within
Speaker 1: the movement are those people who had abortions and are
Speaker 1: now out there standing up for innocent life, and the
Speaker 1: people who conducted abortions like our last guest, and are
Speaker 1: now standing up for innocent life. They are true heroes
Speaker 1: of the movement. You're on the Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 2: It's amazing that music can do that.
Speaker 4: Well, I picked that song one because it's an amazing
Speaker 4: song Stevien.
Speaker 2: X Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 4: Edge of seventeen, and it's just it's an age where
Speaker 4: the topic discussed in the previous three segments could be
Speaker 4: a very pivotal one in the young woman's life.
Speaker 2: That is so true.
Speaker 1: And by the way, what we did in the last segments,
Speaker 1: if you didn't hear it, I hope you get back
Speaker 1: to the podcast doctor Catherine Wheeler and she used to
Speaker 1: perform abortions. So this was a very clinical discussion for
Speaker 1: the most part about medical reality, so prenatal biology than abortion,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Because what I've found, because I know so
Speaker 1: many people who are really really good people and they
Speaker 1: are pro abortion, and in so many of those cases,
Speaker 1: I find that they really have not opened their mind
Speaker 1: to simply the medical reality of abortion, right, because they
Speaker 1: just decide on a woman's choice and this and that
Speaker 1: and other kind of slogans out there, and it's easier, right,
Speaker 1: It's easier in our society to be pro abortion. And
Speaker 1: so I just think it's so valuable to make available
Speaker 1: to people that the simple, undeniable, clinical medical reality of
Speaker 1: prenatal biology and abortion, because I think that that can
Speaker 1: do more to change hearts and minds than even the
Speaker 1: most of other arguments, because I just believe the vast, vast,
Speaker 1: vast majority of people in America are fundamentally good people
Speaker 1: across party lines, and that you know, of course, we've
Speaker 1: all ended up in our different places in different ways.
Speaker 1: But if they get exposed to the truth, the medical
Speaker 1: truth about abortion, that's the best chance to shift, to
Speaker 1: shift their view, and then you know, shift who they
Speaker 1: vote for in all of that, so the innocent can
Speaker 1: be protected. And in fact, proof of my theory is
Speaker 1: where we're sitting right now with Roe having been struck down.
Speaker 2: And the only way Roe got struck down.
Speaker 1: It should have been because it was constitutional crap from
Speaker 1: day one. No matter where you are in the abortion
Speaker 1: issue row, as constitutional law was, any honest person will
Speaker 1: tell you just terrific. But beyond that, the only way
Speaker 1: Roe got struck down is because pro lifers, year after year,
Speaker 1: decade after decade, fought in the political trenches to get
Speaker 1: pro life candidates elected, and as a result, you finally
Speaker 1: got to the point where you had judges who were
Speaker 1: just going to.
Speaker 2: Interpret the Constitution and not legislate.
Speaker 1: You know who brought us back to that point where
Speaker 1: where yes, no, there is no constitutional right to abortion.
Speaker 1: You may feel that that abortion should be legal, you know,
Speaker 1: as Michael Bennett does, should be legal through all nine
Speaker 1: months up to the moment of delivery, if not beyond.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that that's where most on the
Speaker 1: left are. You may be there, I hope not, but
Speaker 1: you may be there, but you would still have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge there is no constitutional right to abortion. But the
Speaker 1: only way Roe got struck down was by and through
Speaker 1: these political victories over time. So the more people who
Speaker 1: learned the medical reality of prenato biology and abortion, well,
Speaker 1: the fewer people who will get abortions, the fewer people
Speaker 1: who will push vulnerable women of all ages to get abortions,
Speaker 1: and the fewer people who will vote for the people
Speaker 1: who want abortion to be legal through all nine months.
Speaker 2: So that's why.
Speaker 1: It's so valuable just to get the truth out there,
Speaker 1: and we've seen it Ryan right, Because the only reason
Speaker 1: we're at this point of success in striking dumb Roe,
Speaker 1: which is not the end of the journey but just
Speaker 1: a critical mountaintop that's been reached, is because of ultrasounds.
Speaker 1: Because over the years, so many people saw through ultrasounds
Speaker 1: that they had been lied to that in fact, this is,
Speaker 1: as a matter of science, human life that's being killed
Speaker 1: through abortion. So ultrasounds blew up the big lie from
Speaker 1: the left about abortion being a blob of tissue this
Speaker 1: and that. And so through the courageous hard work of
Speaker 1: all these pro lifers over the years, match to match
Speaker 1: to people being able to see the science for themselves.
Speaker 1: Because Ryan, how often have you had a friend come
Speaker 1: up to you and show you the ultrasound?
Speaker 2: Right? And how often have they said, hey, look at
Speaker 2: my fetus. Hi, who's ever said that? It's ridiculous?
Speaker 1: He says that, right, Kelly, what did you say to
Speaker 1: people when you brought him the ultrasound?
Speaker 5: So the first one I had was very little, It
Speaker 5: was it looked like a p and I put it up.
Speaker 5: I was working at a hotel at the time, and
Speaker 5: I put it on my door and I put a
Speaker 5: big sign over it that says my baby.
Speaker 2: Exactly, my maybe exactly. And Dan Rode he says, oh,
Speaker 2: look at my fetus. No, it's my baby. The gen
Speaker 2: Z's are coming too, Oh man, it's amazing.
Speaker 4: They're the most pro life generation, probably since the Greatest Generation.
Speaker 4: And right, now Charlie Kirk posted this on X those
Speaker 4: are eighteen to twenty one. Pole was just revealed they
Speaker 4: favorite Republicans by almost twelve points.
Speaker 2: And this is a big issue for them, enormous.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about the shifting political landscape in
Speaker 1: America and these young people, they are driving a big
Speaker 1: piece of it. People of color, of all ages are
Speaker 1: driving another.
Speaker 2: Big piece of it, right, and so it is a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing to behold and one of.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of different reasons to be optimistic
Speaker 1: about the future, even for Colorado. Maybe the toughest till
Speaker 1: the climb, one of the toughest, but that's a privilege, right,
Speaker 1: That's a great opportunity. Three or three someone three eight,
Speaker 1: two five five, write it down. Be with us tomorrow,
Speaker 1: God and management willing, we will join you at four
Speaker 1: oh six again tomorrow. Bryan tremendous job as always, and
Speaker 1: don't miss Ryan Show does a great show in the
Speaker 1: Denver market two to.
Speaker 2: Four each day. Kelly, Human Sunshine. I hope you are
Speaker 2: back shining on us tomorrow on the Dan Kapla Show.