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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio Bank of Dan Watkins. As we head into the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock hour, I want to open up a topic

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<v Speaker 2>that we haven't talked about, and it's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a tough topic because it involves the the death of

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<v Speaker 2>a five year old little boy named Lenz Joseph, a

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<v Speaker 2>student at what's called the Up Academy in Dorchester. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I've researched as much as I can on this story,

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<v Speaker 2>and as late as today's well yesterday, in today's paper,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a headline in the Globe that says, right now

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<v Speaker 2>there's no accountability some residents concerned about transparency improve of

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<v Speaker 2>deadly Boston school bus crash. So the first question I

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<v Speaker 2>have is, how does something like this happen? A little

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<v Speaker 2>boy five years old is on a bus, on a

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<v Speaker 2>school bus, a Boston school bus. And as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>and if any of you have more insight into this

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<v Speaker 2>situation than I do, you are more than welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>call and join me in conversation. But this little guy

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<v Speaker 2>gets off the bus, supposedly very close to where he lives,

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow, some way, he is hit by the bus

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<v Speaker 2>and dies. Now it's a five year old boy. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I read something that said he might have been

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<v Speaker 2>in the company of his cousin who's eleven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>But how is a five year old child on a

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<v Speaker 2>school bus really unattended? Now? The problem here is that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know much about this. Apparently, yesterday the Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston said that the driver of the BPS Boston

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<v Speaker 2>Public School school bus that struck and killed a five

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<v Speaker 2>year old has been placed on leave. According to some

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<v Speaker 2>of the stories that I have read, this particular bus

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<v Speaker 2>on the very afternoon a Monday, Monday afternoon, April twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>that this particular driver apparently had an incident before this

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<v Speaker 2>driving the bus. Now, driving a bus, a school bus

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<v Speaker 2>is not an easy task, okay, It's very different than

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<v Speaker 2>driving a car. I've never driven a school bus. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to drive a school bus. It's a big vehicle, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm not trying to indict anyone here, But

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the questions that I have for the police department,

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<v Speaker 2>and for the District Attorney's office and the Mayor's office,

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<v Speaker 2>all of whom seemed to be not particularly interested in

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<v Speaker 2>getting to the bottom of this quickly. Apparently according to

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<v Speaker 2>different news reports that I have read, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to summarize here that at two twenty in the afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>on April twenty eighth, which was a Monday, a witness

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<v Speaker 2>saw a school bus full of children hit two parked

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<v Speaker 2>cars but chose not to stop. Now, you cannot hit

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<v Speaker 2>a parked car in a school bus and not realize

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<v Speaker 2>you hit a park car, Okay. The driver then, according

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<v Speaker 2>to the reports, took off on walk Hill Street before

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<v Speaker 2>it made the stop that resulted in the death of

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<v Speaker 2>this little boy in Hyde Park. Now, the two cars

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<v Speaker 2>were hit supposedly in in Mattapan, and then again according

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<v Speaker 2>to the reports after after the bus struck this little guy,

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<v Speaker 2>lends Arthur Joseph, five years old. He's crossing the street

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<v Speaker 2>in front of the bus with his eleven year old cousin.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been reported by Channel five. The bus driver tried

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<v Speaker 2>to flee the scene. And they've already hit two cars

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<v Speaker 2>in Mattapan, and now you're going to flee the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>according to police radio calls reviewed by The Boston Globe.

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<v Speaker 2>In this story, the dispatcher is quoted as saying Operations

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<v Speaker 2>Center to Charlie four thirty five on Wellington Hill. Sir,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just advising you it's a completely different incident, but

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<v Speaker 2>the same school bus just ran over a child in

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<v Speaker 2>Hyde Park. The dispatcher called to an officer. According to

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<v Speaker 2>the Call of Reviews, the officer said, I have that

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<v Speaker 2>man now. Boston City Councilor Henry Santana, who's a at

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<v Speaker 2>large city councilor, and District City councilor five City Councilor

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<v Speaker 2>Enrique Peppin have demanded a look into the incident and

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<v Speaker 2>how the city operates school buses. Santana is quoted as saying,

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<v Speaker 2>no parents should ever have to encounter this and lose

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<v Speaker 2>their child, No question about that, councilor. This is not common,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of those incidents is one too many. So

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<v Speaker 2>the question is the question is who is driving the bus?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this bus driver involved in a matter of minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>two separate accidents, one of which took the life of

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<v Speaker 2>a five year old. Now no one suggesting for a

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<v Speaker 2>moment that this driver intentionally did anything to cause the

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<v Speaker 2>death of this child. But it's been now fifteen days,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen days since this well, actually more than that, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be seventeen days. Seventeen days since this incident,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen days and no rest been made. The driver has

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<v Speaker 2>not been identified. What's going on? So my question is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty simple, are you curious about how this child was killed?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we know how he was killed by the bus,

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<v Speaker 2>But was the driver not paying attention? Why didn't the

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<v Speaker 2>driver stop at the first accident in which two cars

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<v Speaker 2>were hit? This, to me is befuddling. The police department

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't released a lot of information on this. I've watched

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<v Speaker 2>the news as closely as most people. Some of you

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<v Speaker 2>may watch it more closely. If some of you have

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<v Speaker 2>seen information that explains what happened the sequence of events,

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<v Speaker 2>love to hear from you on that. Where's the district

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney's office on this? If this is a vehicular manslaughter case,

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<v Speaker 2>there should be charges. I mean, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be the greatest investigator in the world to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out who the bus drive was of this bus.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume that they've been able to do forensics on

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<v Speaker 2>the bus so that they now have some idea of

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<v Speaker 2>how the child was struck, had to be struck. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to think about what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>this child. So this is a little five year old kid, who,

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<v Speaker 2>of course everybody said, was just an incredible little boy,

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<v Speaker 2>precocious and everything that you would hope to see a

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<v Speaker 2>little child in a child in Boston. Now, if this

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<v Speaker 2>had happened in Weston or Whyland or some of our

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<v Speaker 2>Tonier suburbs Wellesley, do you think it would have taken

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<v Speaker 2>now sixteen seventeen days to have someone charged. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think it would have taken sixteen or seventeen days? It

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<v Speaker 2>took a while for us just to get the name

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<v Speaker 2>of the victim. Do you think it would have taken fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen seventeen days for the district attorney to get up

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<v Speaker 2>and face the cameras and answer some questions, even if

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<v Speaker 2>it's simply to say we are continuing to look into

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<v Speaker 2>this matter, it would seem to me that that's the

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<v Speaker 2>minimum that we should expect. Would it be too much

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<v Speaker 2>for the Mayor of Boston to hold the news conference?

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to open up the lines and do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that this is the way the death of

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<v Speaker 2>a five year old child would be treated in communities

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the city of Boston, Because that question, to

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<v Speaker 2>me is an important question, because the child's life in

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<v Speaker 2>Boston is as important as a child's life in Wellesley

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<v Speaker 2>or Whaland or Weston or any other location. And this,

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<v Speaker 2>to me is this is not a mystery. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they need too much information here to under Did

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<v Speaker 2>they do toxology tests on the driver? I would hope

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<v Speaker 2>they did. Did they try to find out if they

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<v Speaker 2>were drugs or alcohol in his system? Why would someone

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<v Speaker 2>hit two cars and then and then watch a five

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<v Speaker 2>year old child get off the bus and then have

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<v Speaker 2>that child involved in an accident with the bus. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense. I hope some of us can make

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<v Speaker 2>some sense. And I also hope that by your phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>we can soon put some pressure on the officials here,

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<v Speaker 2>the district attorney, who's an elected public official, the mayor

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<v Speaker 2>who's an elected public official, and the police commissioner who

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<v Speaker 2>serves at the at the will of the mayor. In Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor appoints the police commissioner six seven two five

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<v Speaker 2>six seven nine thirty. I want a vibrant conversation on this,

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<v Speaker 2>because it deserves it. We'll be back on Nightside right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This Night Side with Dany Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we're talking about the death of a five

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<v Speaker 2>year old boy. And I don't want this child's death

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<v Speaker 2>to go unremembered and and I don't want it to

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<v Speaker 2>slip out of our collective conscience because if someone was

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<v Speaker 2>driving a school bus and they were not paying attention,

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<v Speaker 2>or they were in any way, shape or form under

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<v Speaker 2>any influence of anythings that would detract from their ability

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<v Speaker 2>to act quickly, uh, and to act safely, then they

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<v Speaker 2>need to be to face the music. Let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>Steve and Cambridge. Steve, this this story does really appall me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if it has the same impact on you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I have not been following it because there's not

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<v Speaker 3>much to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder I wonder why.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, Dan, it really sounds baffling, baffling because

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you leave, if you try, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>attempting to leave the scene of a motor vehicle accident

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<v Speaker 3>when their at death has resulted, I mean, that seems

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<v Speaker 3>like an immediately arrestable offense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would seem to be that. It also would

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be pretty clear consciousness of guilt.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, he wasn't arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's no record of that. We don't know. No

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<v Speaker 2>one has been charged. To the best of our knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been no public announcement from the police department, none

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<v Speaker 2>from the city, none from District Attorney Kevin Hayden's office. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a five year old kid. I mean, you know, look,

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<v Speaker 2>if it was a fifteen year old kid, you might say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the guy the kid was horse playing with someone

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<v Speaker 2>else and he tripped it, whatever. But it's a five

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<v Speaker 2>year old child. You would think that when a five

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<v Speaker 2>year old child gets off a bus that bus driver

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<v Speaker 2>is especially attentive to make sure that that child not

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<v Speaker 2>only doesn't walk out in front of the bus, but

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<v Speaker 2>also that the child doesn't walk out into traffic. He's

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<v Speaker 2>five year old kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it also sounds like there's evidence that the driver

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<v Speaker 3>was impaired because he hit those two cars.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a reasonable person could come to that conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've gone now it's I think this would be

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<v Speaker 2>day seventeen. I don't get it. And of course what

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<v Speaker 2>happens is the story phades from the headlines and people

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<v Speaker 2>forget about it and the child is not coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, usually when a child is killed in

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<v Speaker 3>circumstances like this, are not just a child. Usually you

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<v Speaker 3>hear from the parents. I mean, you know, I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 3>that the mother has not been on the news or

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<v Speaker 3>and I would certainly think after fifteen days the family

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<v Speaker 3>would be asking what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the other thing too, is it's possible that the

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<v Speaker 2>parent or parents could be in such shock that they

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<v Speaker 2>could just simply have a tough time just dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>it at this point. I mean, it would seem to

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<v Speaker 2>me that that's possible. They have nothing to be, in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, responsible for, and I don't even think you're

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<v Speaker 2>suggesting that.

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<v Speaker 3>No. I mean my point is that because the story

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<v Speaker 3>isn't getting attention, I would think the parents would be outraged.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I certainly agree with you on that the parents

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<v Speaker 2>should be outraged, But again it's conceivable that I don't know. Normally,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's a lawyer who will come forward and help

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<v Speaker 2>families like this. There's always a lawyer that comes forward,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just totally I'm mystified. It's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 3>And are you suspecting a cover up by any chance?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope not, and I hope that by doing

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<v Speaker 2>this tonight, we're going to make people talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine. I cannot imagine that even if the

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what about if you're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About if you're talking about some guy gets a speeding

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<v Speaker 2>ticket and he's the brother of state senator or state

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<v Speaker 2>represent Yeah, that's what we're not talking We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the death of a child.

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<v Speaker 3>Of vehicular What could be a vehicular homicide could be

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<v Speaker 3>if you thought of talking to who is the city

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<v Speaker 3>council for some reason, his name can't well there.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a couple of city councilors that were quoted,

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<v Speaker 2>and Marita today reached out to Counselor Enriquie Peppin, who

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<v Speaker 2>I believe has has spoken about this with the Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was kind of his office was kind that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a callback and he apparently has a had a

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<v Speaker 2>conflict tonight, so so he was unavailable. But believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>if if they had ignored our calls, we would have

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<v Speaker 2>roasted would have roasted it pretty good. So it's when

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<v Speaker 2>someone is gracious enough to call back.

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<v Speaker 3>And oh no, of course, But what about that counselor Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>His father was a mayor. His name's not coming to

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<v Speaker 3>me now, Well, just like his father.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I I'm not exactly I think who you might

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<v Speaker 2>to bring people.

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<v Speaker 3>He was to the Vatican. He was an ambassador to

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<v Speaker 2>Flynn.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I'm talking about his son.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, Well, Ray Flynn, former mayor Ray Flynn was

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<v Speaker 2>the ambassador of the US ambassador of the Vatican. We

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<v Speaker 2>had ed Flynn on last night. This did not happen

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<v Speaker 2>in his district he represents, He does not even close.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was either a councilor Henry Santana or

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<v Speaker 2>Enrique Peppin's district. I think that they're kind of taking

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<v Speaker 2>the lead on this. That's why we called that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, where's the mayor, where's the police chief?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the police chief very rarely. He's the lowest

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<v Speaker 2>profile police chief ever I've ever seen. And you know, Mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Woo is fighting battles with with Ice and Tom Holman.

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<v Speaker 2>I want some attention paid to this child's death because this.

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<v Speaker 2>If this happened in you know, some of the more

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<v Speaker 2>Tony suburbs, which rightfully so, Wellesley West and Whaland, I

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee you uh, they would be outcry. Uh at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>Uh there was there was no action taken. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not this is not an unsolved This is

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<v Speaker 2>not a thirty year old cold case that people have

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<v Speaker 2>to work on. It seems to me that there's someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to be the suspect here, it's the driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Did the driver get away that day? Was the driver

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<v Speaker 2>taken into custody? Did they do a breathalyzer? I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 3>But answers yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not to get the police commissioner in Boston

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<v Speaker 2>on this program. It's not on impossible. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to give anybody a free pass on this. All

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say to the residents of Boston, this

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<v Speaker 2>is your opportunity to call up and express your your

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<v Speaker 2>concern about apparently the lack of concern that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of officials in Boston elected and otherwise are showing towards

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<v Speaker 2>towards this little boy who is now dead for sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen days and very sad yeah, you got it, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you taking the call in. Thank you much

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the call. Okay, I got wide open lines here.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't want to talk about this, this one,

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<v Speaker 2>this one really will trouble me because this is this

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<v Speaker 2>may not be your child, but he's a he's a

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<v Speaker 2>five year old boy who is now dead. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>coming back, okay, and so far. Uh, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing great investigation here, but I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>that much investigation truly was needed here. And talog toxology

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<v Speaker 2>tests can come back a lot quicker than seventeen days.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that they were smart enough to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no one to ask these questions off so

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<v Speaker 2>Boston residents or people who understand what I'm saying six

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<v Speaker 2>one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty. I'm willing to stay talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this because I don't know this child, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know he was someone's child, and I know he was

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<v Speaker 2>five years old, and I know he died seconds after

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<v Speaker 2>he alighted from a Boston public school bus. And this

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<v Speaker 2>never should have happened, and this situation should be addressed

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<v Speaker 2>publicly by the officials in officialdom here in the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston, and so far we've heard little to nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on Nightside right after these messages and news at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hour night Side with Dan Ray, I'm Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you, I'm sticking with this story because

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't know this little boy, this five year

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<v Speaker 2>old little boy who lost his life, lost his life

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<v Speaker 2>getting off a school bus in the city of Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how do you explain it? You don't, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't and there's no explanation so far. The little boy's

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<v Speaker 2>first name is Lenz elie Ns Lenz. Joseph is his

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<v Speaker 2>last name. A student at the UP Academy in Dorchester,

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<v Speaker 2>five years old, five years old, taking the bus to

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<v Speaker 2>school by himself, going home, supposedly was with an eleven

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<v Speaker 2>year old cousin. I'm outraged. I'm outraged that we've heard

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<v Speaker 2>nothing from the powers that be in this city. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's supposedly the safest city in America. Well, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a safe city for this little five year old boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it? Simple as that? We haven't heard much from

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor. We have heard nothing, to the best of

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<v Speaker 2>my knowledge. From the police commissioner, and we've heard absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>nothing from the Suffolk County District Attorney. So there's more

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<v Speaker 2>than enough blame to go around. Let's go. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Anna in Marlborough. Anna, thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for calling in. You were first, your second this hour.

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, Annah, Hi, Hi, I'm calling because I think

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<v Speaker 4>you're right.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, a five year old death should it cannot

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<v Speaker 5>be swept under the rug. And this story deserves some

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<v Speaker 5>outrage from the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not accusing anyone, by the way, make it

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<v Speaker 2>clear of sweeping it under the rug. But it would

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<v Speaker 2>seem to me that on a story like this, not

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<v Speaker 2>only does the family deserve answers, but the community deserves

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<v Speaker 2>the answers. And they and and it should and the

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<v Speaker 2>answer this is not one you know when when you

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<v Speaker 2>know when when there's a horrible murder and someone has

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<v Speaker 2>found in the woods and they've been there for three

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<v Speaker 2>days and the police have no idea and they're looking

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<v Speaker 2>for help, and they're anybody who has seeing this person

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<v Speaker 2>in the last week, Please let us that's a different situation.

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<v Speaker 2>We know what happened. This kid, this little boy was

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<v Speaker 2>hit by a school bus that he had just gotten

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<v Speaker 2>off and the state and the same bus allegedly uh

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<v Speaker 2>hit two cars a few minutes earlier in another location.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do we need elliott ness to put that together?

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<v Speaker 5>Unfortunately, obviously I don't have any of the answers, but

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<v Speaker 5>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a few questions. Yeah, So, whatn't Boston uh desperately

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<v Speaker 4>searching for bus drivers at the beginning of the school year.

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<v Speaker 2>To be always searching for bus drivers. Yeah, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that that that's true. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh so I could have sworn though that when I

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<v Speaker 5>was driving to work for the beginning of this school year,

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<v Speaker 5>is that that was the constant thing, is that there

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<v Speaker 5>was there was such a shortage, that there was such

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<v Speaker 5>a shortage of bus drivers that they were looking for

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<v Speaker 5>bus drivers.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I guess.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm wondering, like, did they follow the proper process to

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<v Speaker 5>hire the bus driver? Did they do the accurate checks

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<v Speaker 5>on that bus driver to make sure that that this was,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, a safe person to be driving children.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to I'd like to know how long had

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<v Speaker 2>this been driving? Had this guy been a is he

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<v Speaker 2>a veteran driver, or is he somebody who uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>became a driver two weeks ago or three weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's some fundamental questions here, and yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're not getting any answers, any guidance from what is

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<v Speaker 2>considered to be one. You know, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>safe city, right, Well, it wasn't safe for this little boy.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's disgraceful in my opinion. And and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no if somebody comes, if they were to come forward

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<v Speaker 2>and say, look, we've looked at this h we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>some toxology. We want to make sure that everything we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to charge this driver with is in order. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine, but are they doing like a worldwide search

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<v Speaker 2>for something and they put out an all point bulletin.

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<v Speaker 5>For I mean no, And that's what makes you think

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<v Speaker 5>that there's got to be something that you know, it

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<v Speaker 5>blows back on them, and that's why this hasn't come

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<v Speaker 5>out yet. That's my that's my gut ceiling. It's it's

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<v Speaker 5>not a good feeling. But like I have been involved

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<v Speaker 5>in you know, very large companies where you know, you

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<v Speaker 5>report these things. I mean even I've personally experienced the fact,

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<v Speaker 5>like I've driven around with a driver that was very,

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<v Speaker 5>very unsafe and reported that, oh, you know this, this

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<v Speaker 5>driver is unsafe, and when something happened with that particular driver,

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<v Speaker 5>right there was no news of that there was it

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<v Speaker 5>was almost like, oh, this this is shocking and we

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<v Speaker 5>don't know what's going on. Well, the reality is that

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<v Speaker 5>that the background you know, research and checks and bounces

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<v Speaker 5>were not conducted.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, An, that's you.

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<v Speaker 2>You've read my mind a little bit here. So but

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<v Speaker 2>but again I just think that we gotta we need

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<v Speaker 2>to get the uh. Look, I'm not going to ignore

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<v Speaker 2>a story and and be complicit uh in any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a cover up, if indeed there's a cover up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not alleging this a cover up, but as somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's a talk show host and who knows Boston pretty

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<v Speaker 2>well and understands how this city functions, uh, I felt

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<v Speaker 2>I would bring it out tonight. I wish that there

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<v Speaker 2>were more people like you who picked up the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk to Tim and Wilburn and Sandy

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<v Speaker 2>and west Roxbury and hopefully some more folks. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel sometimes like a modern day Paul Revere. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to ring, you know, and wake people up, that's all, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know what, Dan Ray, I love that And as a

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<v Speaker 5>mother of two young children. I say, you know, keep

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<v Speaker 5>it going, keep it ringing, because this kid deserves it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's what I've done for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>both in television and now in radio, and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>a responsibility, uh, in my opinion as simple as that. Anna,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much. How old are your kiddos? Are

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<v Speaker 2>they in this age range we're talking about?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I've got an almost four year old and

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<v Speaker 5>a one year old, so yeah, good, yeah, and this

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<v Speaker 5>kid deserved that. He needs to have his name screamed

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<v Speaker 5>loud and proud, and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you know what happened to him. Anna, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>so much for listening to Nightside. I'll keep your company

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<v Speaker 2>any night. Okay, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, thank you, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Please tell you friends about Nightside. Good night. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back right after this break. I got a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>open lines six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, nine three ten thirty. Uh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>your cause to everyone. Believe me, this is your cause,

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<v Speaker 2>because if this can happen to this five year old child,

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it couldn't happen to your five year old

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<v Speaker 2>child or your five year old grandchild. I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>could say what I'm really feeling right now, but and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I will when I get back back on Nightside

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<v Speaker 2>after this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, we welcome new callers. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>if Ianna has called before, but that was a really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting call. I hope more of you will participate on

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<v Speaker 2>this issue because you may never have met that little

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<v Speaker 2>boy who you never will meet Lendsay Joseph, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is the same as any other five year old boy

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<v Speaker 2>and he should have been protected. Tim Is and Wilburn. Tim,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much for calling. I appreciated you.

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<v Speaker 6>And next on Nightside, Dan, thank you for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 6>Andy, how you said a little while ago, if you

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<v Speaker 6>don't want to talk about it, you can talk about

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<v Speaker 6>an out of the topics. I don't want to talk

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<v Speaker 6>about it, and I don't even want to think about it.

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<v Speaker 6>My guard who was five years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think, unfortunately, Tim, I think that we

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<v Speaker 2>need to talk about it because at this point, all

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<v Speaker 2>of the political leaders, the mayor has not talked about it.

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<v Speaker 2>She referred everything to the police commissioner yesterday. The police

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<v Speaker 2>commissioner is hardly ever available. Uh. And the district attorney

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't said anything about it. Read the newspapers, you know, people,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody I prepped for this hour and the information.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the name of the boy, the little boy,

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<v Speaker 2>but he got How could this guy take his bus

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<v Speaker 2>and hit two part cars and just keep rolling and

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<v Speaker 2>then strike and kill a five year old that had

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<v Speaker 2>been on his boss? He watched the kid get off

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<v Speaker 2>the bus. Did he did? He? Just all of them

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<v Speaker 2>get out of here?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, yeah, well, you know, you're right. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't don't want to think about it, but it

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<v Speaker 6>should be talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I really mean that, because what happens

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<v Speaker 2>is that people who would like this to go away.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea how these folks are qualified. What

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<v Speaker 2>is this guy's background had? You know, Look, if this

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<v Speaker 2>is a guy who had some sort of a medical seizure, okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but but I don't think so. I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 6>They have they haven't investigated this at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if they've investigated. I can't say

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<v Speaker 2>that because we're not being given any any information. Could

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<v Speaker 2>have they investigated it, shore could have they solved it?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe but if they have, if they figured it out,

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<v Speaker 2>let's find out what charge is being brought and if not,

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<v Speaker 2>why not. Those are the questions that need to be asked.

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<v Speaker 2>And the officials in Boston have no interest in dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with those issues because it wasn't their five year old child.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it up, I have no idea. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go that far yet. All I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do is prod them, and I'm hoping people

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<v Speaker 2>will call and prod them and let them know that

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<v Speaker 2>there is a real public interest in this. It's as

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<v Speaker 2>simple as that.

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<v Speaker 6>But I appreciate you, Jim, if I could right you

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<v Speaker 6>said you can change the topic. I met doctor Sal

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<v Speaker 6>at Renoli's Yeah, let's do.

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<v Speaker 2>This, Tim, Tim, let me do this. I don't want it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was speaking parenthetically. I don't want to change the topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I want I appreciate your calling in, and your call

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<v Speaker 2>is important to me, but I want to keep rolling

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<v Speaker 2>in this topic. Okay, And we will thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your comment about doctor Sal. He's a great guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>do me a favorite. Next time you call in. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you an opportunity to say whatever you want about

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Sal. I just don't want to distract from the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of this topic.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope you understand understandable. Thank you would taking my call.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Thank thanks so much. Let me go to Sandy

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<v Speaker 2>in West Roxbury. Sandy, you are the first person from

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<v Speaker 2>Boston tonight, the city of Boston who had the decency

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<v Speaker 2>to call in. Thank you, Sandy, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it was hard for me to call because I

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<v Speaker 7>get so angry that it's time to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem I'll talk about the problem is. The

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<v Speaker 2>problem is people aren't getting angry enough Siddy. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because you know, kind of slip into her

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<v Speaker 2>own little world and well it wasn't my kid. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the kid. What difference does it make?

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<v Speaker 2>Makes a hell of a lot of difference.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, not to this administration. She and those that follow her.

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<v Speaker 7>They ignore anything that's controversial unless it's going to bring

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<v Speaker 7>her into the spotlight. Positively. She has no interest. I

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<v Speaker 7>believe what you were talking about last night. They're not

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<v Speaker 7>interested in Tanya.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether and she's going to stay there until July twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>when she's sentenced. I didn't realize the sentence date was

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<v Speaker 2>put off that long. She's got another two months of paychecks.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, by the way, since you mentioned that,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just take the opportunity to night or that

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<v Speaker 2>today at the bot City Council we had Ed Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>on last night. He said the resolution that today was tabled,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just a little, you know way in which

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<v Speaker 2>politicians get rid of things. That it was tabled by

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<v Speaker 2>one of the city councilors. And I want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that that I give the proper credit to the

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<v Speaker 2>city councilor who tabled it, and I have that information here.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, let me get that get up here real quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to tie you up any further here. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the that was tabled today by city council Liz Breden

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<v Speaker 2>or Brayden cut off debate and asked to send it

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<v Speaker 2>to a committee for a hearing. This is any a

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<v Speaker 2>text from Ed Flynn where it will die. We obviously

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<v Speaker 2>didn't vote in the future of council Fernandez Anderson. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not profiles in courage. Its profiles and cowardice is

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<v Speaker 2>what it actually is. And that's off to Ed Flynn.

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<v Speaker 7>I love it when the mayor goes on and on

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<v Speaker 7>about how the city is so safe. That's only if

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<v Speaker 7>you count the people that were stabbed and didn't die,

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<v Speaker 7>the people that were assaulted and didn't die, the people

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<v Speaker 7>that were robbed and didn't die. She's only counting the

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<v Speaker 7>people who died. There were so many other people that

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<v Speaker 7>were shot and didn't die. I mean, we have a

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<v Speaker 7>huge high crime rate. People aren't terrified going out at night.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, there's an election, it's up it's up

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<v Speaker 2>to people. I would I would hoped that I would

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<v Speaker 2>have heard from Josh Craft tonight. To be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to me that this is an issue that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody who lives in Boston should be concerned about. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not claiming that's cover up. All I'm saying is we

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<v Speaker 2>need to know, we need we need an update in

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<v Speaker 2>this investigation. Seventeen days after the death of this little boy.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, we need a change of focus. I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 7>not focused that what they what was the big thing today?

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<v Speaker 7>Ranked choice voting?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, that's that's that That's going to solve all problems.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, that's very important.

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<v Speaker 2>Very important. Forget forget the little boy who is now dead.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, here's we're gonna do, Sandy, because you

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<v Speaker 2>called in and because Tim called in, We're gonna carry

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<v Speaker 2>this into the next hour, so I have to cut off.

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<v Speaker 2>Say good night to you, but thank you for being

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<v Speaker 2>the one person from Boston who had the courage and

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<v Speaker 2>the intestinal fortitude to call in. And I commend you

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<v Speaker 2>for it. Thanks, Sandy, I appreciate you. You're welcome. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are in the lines, stay there if you're not, there's

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<v Speaker 2>one line open, six one, seven thirty. It is time

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<v Speaker 2>to wake up, everybody. It is wake up and time

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<v Speaker 2>to smell the coffee. There's a little boy five years

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<v Speaker 2>old dead. You didn't know him, maybe you never met him,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you never even saw him, but that child is dead,

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<v Speaker 2>and at this point the city has said nothing about

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<v Speaker 2>the cause of death, what happened to him? Uh it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a conspiracy of silence that should never be

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<v Speaker 2>tolerated anywhere. We should on a daily basis get an

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<v Speaker 2>update as to where this investigation is. You do not

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<v Speaker 2>need Inspector Clouseau to solve this problem. To solve this case,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion back on night Side is you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell I'm a little wound up. I wanna get you

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<v Speaker 2>wound up too.