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Speaker 1: Cassy Morning Shore reporting for the Cincinnati Inquirer on all
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Speaker 2: It's been a couple crazy weeks over at city.
Speaker 1: Hall, Yes it has. And thank you for enlightening us
Speaker 1: on this most recent article regarding the sixty five million
Speaker 1: dollars windfall. Something you really don't expect from the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Council and the budgeting process they always go through. And
Speaker 1: it's dire and it's woe as me and the puncheon's underfunded,
Speaker 1: we're going to run out of money. We've got to
Speaker 1: sell a railroad. Uh no, apparently not sixty five million
Speaker 1: dollars left over from last year's budget. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of money.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I can't keep up. It's sometimes to dire situation
Speaker 2: is sometimes there's a ton of money. It just honestly
Speaker 2: depends on the day. And I would say that line
Speaker 2: over there, and I just I cannot keep up. But yes,
Speaker 2: the carryover was sixty five million, and they have just
Speaker 2: been spending it over the last two weeks while I
Speaker 2: was working on a different story. So I really wanted
Speaker 2: to wrap it up all and let people know, you know,
Speaker 2: really what they're doing with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's fair enough, and we can be critical
Speaker 1: maybe about some or maybe not others, but we can
Speaker 1: certainly look at each line item and wonder whether or
Speaker 1: not it's inappropriate use of our taxpayer dollars. But what
Speaker 1: you point out in the article is a little disturbing
Speaker 1: to me is that they, I mean, as you describe it,
Speaker 1: this carryover creates a quasi fall budget process without the
Speaker 1: special evening budget hearings where council, even where council invites
Speaker 1: the community to find out what the constituents want, they
Speaker 1: just kind of go on their own and decide on
Speaker 1: their own where this money.
Speaker 2: Of well, of course you're doing it in public meetings
Speaker 2: during the days, not even FYI my most to find
Speaker 2: out more information about all of the different things in there.
Speaker 2: I just call, like you know, I don't know ten
Speaker 2: people to sort it all out, which is my job,
Speaker 2: of course, But I really do think that citizens should
Speaker 2: be able to with a tap of a button, really
Speaker 2: understand every single saying that it's not a line item
Speaker 2: in a presentation that you can find in the system.
Speaker 2: This is a lot of money and has a lot
Speaker 2: of plans with this money, taking the city in different directions,
Speaker 2: and I think that people really have a right to
Speaker 2: know what that is. I mean, the idea that they're
Speaker 2: creating a fund for developers has gotten hardly barely a mentioned,
Speaker 2: barely a mentioned, and I think that people are very
Speaker 2: interested in that well.
Speaker 1: Of course, five and a half million dollars for housing fund,
Speaker 1: to point out, goes to developers seeking gap financing for
Speaker 1: housing projects. This on the heels of the city's rezoning
Speaker 1: basically the entire city of Cincinnati to accommodate more multifamily
Speaker 1: and multiple unit dwellings. Perhaps are those two connected.
Speaker 2: They certainly candy. They said, there's a multitude of projects
Speaker 2: in the pipeline. This is Friday afternoon, by the way,
Speaker 2: because normally I would it be like, well, what projects
Speaker 2: is that we still might do that. But yes, those
Speaker 2: two things could be very very connected. We just we
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean there's a lot. They rolled back
Speaker 2: the residential abatements in a way that everyone was not
Speaker 2: happy about, and then on the heels of that, there's
Speaker 2: supposed to be an overhaul of commercial development abatements. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: because everyone else is paying property, more property Texans than
Speaker 2: ever before. Stop me if you've heard that one before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so come at that time. Then they never do anything.
Speaker 2: The residential abatements was so hard to get through and
Speaker 2: approve and change anything. They do nothing with the commercial abatements.
Speaker 2: Then the futurest Commission comes out and that really says
Speaker 2: we need one hundred million dollar fund housing. Housing. Housing is,
Speaker 2: of course, you know, very business friendly, and we do
Speaker 2: need housing. I will never not say that. I get
Speaker 2: that we need affordable housing, meet all kinds of housing,
Speaker 2: but this is not what the citizens have said they
Speaker 2: want that. They want to give it to developers just
Speaker 2: to build housing. And on top of that is I'm
Speaker 2: big into transparency. I want to know every time they
Speaker 2: give money to developers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but's it.
Speaker 2: I just want to know what are they doing, what
Speaker 2: are the projects? And this fund really seems to take
Speaker 2: it out of the public eye. They're going to put
Speaker 2: it under the Cincinnati Development Fund make the decisions. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, so it really quick know where the money is.
Speaker 1: Five and a half million you reported five and a
Speaker 1: half million is being handed over to the Cincinni Development Fund,
Speaker 1: which on its own will be allocating the money. Meaning
Speaker 1: as you write, we're not the taxpayers, the voters are
Speaker 1: not going to be subject to a public vote. In
Speaker 1: other words, they are going to do whatever the hell
Speaker 1: they want. It is not you know, the council members
Speaker 1: aren't going to have to go on record for any
Speaker 1: project over another. That's all ok again, wholl I didn't
Speaker 1: do that. The Sensor Development Fund.
Speaker 2: Did it right, And we'll never even know, like what
Speaker 2: if it is, Like it's not some giant housing development
Speaker 2: that we're like, okay, as you see and you're like,
Speaker 2: what is that? But I think a lot of these
Speaker 2: connected community projects are not necessarily going to be unless
Speaker 2: somebody's neighbor calls. They're meant to be, you know, on
Speaker 2: the outskirts, skirts of the neighborhood, and they're meant to
Speaker 2: be big developments, So we might not even know this well,
Speaker 2: and it isn't interesting happening?
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? The predicate and the initial comment you
Speaker 1: made on that, which is true. There is a huge
Speaker 1: demand for housing affordable and otherwise. Demand usually is met
Speaker 1: by you know, entrepreneurial types who want to go in
Speaker 1: and make some money, meeting the demand that already exists
Speaker 1: out there. So I just I kind of wonder how
Speaker 1: it is that the taxpayer dollars have to go to
Speaker 1: any given project.
Speaker 2: You know, they do say over there it's hard to
Speaker 2: get financing. I mean, this is a flip side of it.
Speaker 2: Banks don't want to lend. Every project costs way more money,
Speaker 2: so it makes it hard to get your money back out.
Speaker 2: The developers do always come in and say they don't
Speaker 2: have any money, they can't afford it, and that's where
Speaker 2: the citizens come in to help them.
Speaker 1: Well in these citizens, obviously this is being funded on
Speaker 1: their back since they didn't they didn't roll back the
Speaker 1: property taxes, and all of our properties have increased, you
Speaker 1: point out overall property values up twenty eight percent, taxes
Speaker 1: up twelve percent. So while the developers may lament their circumstance,
Speaker 1: this is a circumstance. This lack of funding and ability
Speaker 1: to meet one's you know, day to day expenses is
Speaker 1: something that happens to every single resident in the city
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati largely.
Speaker 2: You know, it really does. I mean a Facebook group
Speaker 2: where people are trying to get their taxes reduced, and
Speaker 2: it's a really kind of heartbreaking It is the stories
Speaker 2: that you hear in that group, and you get the
Speaker 2: feeling they're working. People possibly not coming down to City
Speaker 2: Hall on Wednesdays during public comments to really give their feedback.
Speaker 2: But I think if you had a night meeting related
Speaker 2: to those or a night budgeteering and it's like, well
Speaker 2: should we give this who should we give this money to?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that the answer would be this sixty
Speaker 2: five million.
Speaker 1: Right, I agree with you on that. Nor would I
Speaker 1: think the average resident of the city of Cincinnati want
Speaker 1: two and a half million to go to Woo, the
Speaker 1: Sundance film festival that doesn't impact most people's lives on
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, and I'm sure two and
Speaker 1: a half million could be better spent elsewhere to serve
Speaker 1: the residents of the city. I guess the argument is that, well,
Speaker 1: if we get Sundance. It's going to bring it a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people. But this is just an advertising campaign.
Speaker 1: It's not going to guarantee that it's coming here. So
Speaker 1: the money's gone. Whether or not Cincinnati gets the Sundance.
Speaker 2: The money, well, I will say, maybe I should have
Speaker 2: been more clear about this. The money won't be spent
Speaker 2: unless we get it. It's part of a much larger bid. Okay.
Speaker 2: I have to tell you because Louisville was in the
Speaker 2: running for a Sundance and they are not on the
Speaker 2: short list, and their business career career in Louisville had
Speaker 2: a story that seventy nine million dollars was not enough,
Speaker 2: so they had porn than everything. So they had put
Speaker 2: together some sort of bid. These bids are secrets, you know.
Speaker 2: They kind of come from the jobs, entities and things
Speaker 2: like that. And so they're trying to do so we
Speaker 2: will spend that money and when Sundance gets here, and
Speaker 2: they are talking about a gigantic economic impact. And an
Speaker 2: interesting thing about Sundance is just not the film festival.
Speaker 2: But they moved their whole headquarters here and all of
Speaker 2: the regular jobs to come with Sundance. And so I
Speaker 2: think There's a lot more to explore here on that,
Speaker 2: but it goes with the same thing. It's like, just say,
Speaker 2: just say when you're putting forward to spending.
Speaker 1: Now, I'll encourage my listeners to get a copy of
Speaker 1: the article and look at the breakdown, which I appreciate
Speaker 1: you doing. Cincinnati's sixty five million dollars windfall support for sundance,
Speaker 1: a developers, and a grocery store. Real quick here before
Speaker 1: we take a break, Sharon Coolis from the enquire I
Speaker 1: see that there's one point seventy five million of this
Speaker 1: windfall for Green Project Fund. I got a million dollars
Speaker 1: to help citizens, you know, make their homes more energy efficient,
Speaker 1: a quarter a million for training workers to do green
Speaker 1: focused home assessments. And what disturbed me most was a
Speaker 1: half a million dollars to create a green which you
Speaker 1: described as an office that will serve as a pass
Speaker 1: through for federal money given to the state. So we
Speaker 1: have another layer of bureaucracy and another layer of employee
Speaker 1: salaried workers to help facilitate federal money getting out into
Speaker 1: the community.
Speaker 2: That was my understanding, but that seems to be a
Speaker 2: requirement to get the money the state. Actually I named
Speaker 2: it in the story The big name is escaping me.
Speaker 2: So the money flows to the federal government. It's five
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars to Ohio related to whatever the federal
Speaker 2: money is. And Mark Jeffreys and he has been talking
Speaker 2: about this. I will say this did not come at
Speaker 2: the last second. He's been talking a lot about this.
Speaker 2: Five hundred million dollars is going to be given to
Speaker 2: the state and he wants Cincinnati to be up and
Speaker 2: ready to go. So you have to have all this
Speaker 2: preparatus kind of like requirements related to the money from
Speaker 2: the state and the federal government. And he's like, will
Speaker 2: be the only one ready to go, and so that
Speaker 2: first bite of the apple, we could stand to get
Speaker 2: a lot of money from it. Is kind of his point.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I have to tell you there's been
Speaker 2: a lot of discussion about this the city all that
Speaker 2: I haven't covered.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting the balance of the work.
Speaker 1: So I expect to read more on this down the road.
Speaker 1: On the enquire from Sharon Coole Age, Sharon, let's pause
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Speaker 1: new council member. Be right back just a moment with
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Speaker 1: just stretched the surface of the sixty five million dollars
Speaker 1: windfall expenditures with Sharon Coolids from the Cincinnion Enquirer. Again,
Speaker 1: it's worthy looking at the breakdown of where that money
Speaker 1: is going to go. At is reflective of well certain
Speaker 1: political perspectives. Moving over talk about the political perspectives, this
Speaker 1: is shameless. It doesn't matter which side of the political
Speaker 1: edge you're on. In terms of spending taxpayer dollars to
Speaker 1: change the naming of the signs crediting Joe Biden for
Speaker 1: upcoming road projects and substituting that with Kamala Harris's name. Sharon,
Speaker 1: I must observe Joe Biden is still president, and if
Speaker 1: he's still president, does shouldn't he still get credit for
Speaker 1: the projects being done, even if it's necessary to give
Speaker 1: someone credit for it, Sharon, So, I mean.
Speaker 2: He is still on the side. They changed it, and
Speaker 2: they changed the design, being very clear about this. They
Speaker 2: changed the design to say Biden Harris. But that is
Speaker 2: really what made it so interesting is that at the
Speaker 2: last second they added her name. The flip side of that,
Speaker 2: she was still the vice president when they designed the
Speaker 2: signs a much earlier in the year and they're getting
Speaker 2: ready to put them up, and they were like, well,
Speaker 2: he signed the law, we're going to give him credit.
Speaker 2: And this was really flowing down and nobody really made
Speaker 2: any secret about this. They all the US Department of Transportation,
Speaker 2: the White House itself, like spokespeople for these agents. You
Speaker 2: feel like, this is about transparency, this is what we're
Speaker 2: going to do. Yet earlier in the year, when it
Speaker 2: came time to do all of this, which was asked
Speaker 2: of these agencies, of all of the cities, not just Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: to do all these urban you know, cities that are
Speaker 2: very blue. Right, and then they felt like they needed
Speaker 2: to add her.
Speaker 1: And then after right after Biden got the plug pulled
Speaker 1: although he is still president. Isn't it interesting that the
Speaker 1: request to spend this money was brought to you by,
Speaker 1: of course, the Biden Harris administration. It wasn't necessary, but
Speaker 1: as you point out in the reporting, it was done
Speaker 1: to score brownie points with the administration. Ah, if you
Speaker 1: capitulate to our request to give Biden and now Harris
Speaker 1: credit for the projects that will inure to your benefit. Nudge, nudge,
Speaker 1: wink wink.
Speaker 2: You know what I have to tell you after everything
Speaker 2: we've been through, and I think all of your listeners
Speaker 2: know related to text messages, yet don't see that much
Speaker 2: stuff in text messages When you get a public records
Speaker 2: or quest for emails. Keep every once in a while,
Speaker 2: something slips through. People catch themselves a lot. Even I'm like,
Speaker 2: don't text me that call me. We try not to
Speaker 2: text a lot. Those things are public record in Ohio.
Speaker 2: We know that, But you know when you're reading these
Speaker 2: messages coming in from different sources, there was a lot there.
Speaker 1: To look at it, a lot, yes, and again I
Speaker 1: go back to the just to score brownie points. Tax
Speaker 1: Payer dollars should be spent to do an ad campaign
Speaker 1: for where credit to give credit anyway. Pivoting over will
Speaker 1: distress campaign, and that's well, that's what it is. I
Speaker 1: would argue Evan Nolan. He spent he replaced Mika Owens,
Speaker 1: it was her selection. He's been sworn in, and there
Speaker 1: was some outrage amongst certain members of the black community
Speaker 1: because of course Nolan is white. Harris who his position
Speaker 1: he took his black and also a member, which I
Speaker 1: don't think matters, but of the LGBTQ community. I'm a
Speaker 1: live and let live kind of guy. I don't think
Speaker 1: that has anything to do with representation and a representative government.
Speaker 1: But that really irks some people, including folks on the NAACP,
Speaker 1: expressing disappointment and profoundly disheartened by her decision to appoint
Speaker 1: apparently a white guy. It's a harmful message. Are we
Speaker 1: looking for competence and capability? By all accounts, he does
Speaker 1: have the competence and ability to be council member.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this really isn't about him, because that it's not
Speaker 2: about that. It really is about what the citizen mandate is.
Speaker 2: And I won't say it was upset. We're going to
Speaker 2: still say is upset, Like this conversation is persisting. People
Speaker 2: are like in the black community and LGBTQ, they really
Speaker 2: would like to see representation of themselves. And their argument is,
Speaker 2: and there's some interesting statistics here, is that the citizens
Speaker 2: said they wanted this seat to be held by a
Speaker 2: black man. So if you go back to twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: this is the overhaul of council. Right, they're on the
Speaker 2: heels of corruption. Everybody's going to be all new, everyone's
Speaker 2: term limited out. The citizens for the very first time
Speaker 2: chose a majority black city council and that was very
Speaker 2: important the black community. But then you look at the
Speaker 2: makeup of who council is and it almost is like
Speaker 2: the slaves kind of carried the day. So this was
Speaker 2: a very interesting mix of people put forward by the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party, a very balanced council. But when you look
Speaker 2: at what citizens did when they went in the ballot box,
Speaker 2: the top five vot getters were the black members of council,
Speaker 2: and that, and so they're kind of like, this is
Speaker 2: what citizens said, Nika, and by the way, you benefited
Speaker 2: from the slate yourself, and so that's kind of their point.
Speaker 2: They're like, we are interested in this, but we are
Speaker 2: representing the citizens, and this is what the citizens said.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the argument that's being made. However,
Speaker 2: Nika is the sole decision maker, and I do think
Speaker 2: we're going to see a change in how appointments this company,
Speaker 2: you know, for some reason, can't fulfill their duties. I
Speaker 2: think that we will see a change to that process.
Speaker 1: I would like to see a change in this whole
Speaker 1: idea that identity politics is important and that merit or
Speaker 1: a competence and capability is less important than filling in
Speaker 1: blanks on race and sexuality. But then again, that's just me.
Speaker 1: I want the best possible candidate running. And maybe Mika
Speaker 1: decided after interviewing the various folks that were submitted by
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party that mister Nolan Evan Nolan was the best.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a very short interview process. She said
Speaker 2: that they have to get back to business. It's really busy. Now.
Speaker 2: I might argue that, yes, they have been doing a
Speaker 2: lot of things the last couple of weeks, but that's
Speaker 2: not exactly. There's a huge danger of City Hall of
Speaker 2: things being five four. For instance, the carryover money, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like two buckets of that I think is already been
Speaker 2: spent with one week discussions, and those I believe for
Speaker 2: unanimous boats. I guess I couldn't say that for sure,
Speaker 2: but they certainly weren't close votes, and so we're never
Speaker 2: in danger of five to four over there. So much
Speaker 2: everything passes unanimously.
Speaker 1: I just observe. It's not like Mika selected Liz Keating
Speaker 1: to take the seat back over. She did stick with
Speaker 1: her own party, And I have to imagine we'll give
Speaker 1: Evans some time to prove his competence or not. But
Speaker 1: I just find it and.
Speaker 2: You'll have it, because the process is you finish out
Speaker 2: the time. It doesn't even say a lot of places are.
Speaker 2: If it's like not halfway through and everything, then you
Speaker 2: have to have a special election because somebody shouldn't be
Speaker 2: filling that term for such a long period of time.
Speaker 2: But not not that. There's no special election. So he's
Speaker 2: finishing out more than a year term.
Speaker 1: We'll still get a little more than a year an
Speaker 1: opportunity to decide whether or not did a good job
Speaker 1: or not. Sharon Coolidge, good luck, good luck, and goode
Speaker 1: figuring out the balance of those expenditures. I'll be looking
Speaker 1: forward to your more in depth reporting on those and
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining the fifty five Carcy Morning shod and
Speaker 1: spending time with my listeners, and I today recommend my
Speaker 1: listeners check you out at Cincinnati dot com. Sharon, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I hope you have a wonderful week.
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