WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.280 The Jesse Kelly Show Second hour, another hour of The 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:08.519 Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Tuesday, and do not forget. 3 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:12.679 You can email us Jesse at jessekellyshow dot com. We 4 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:18.440 are about to finish finally the Rhodesian bush War tonight. 5 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:21.600 I have no worthly idea how long it's going to 6 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.120 take me. It might not even take me an hour. 7 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.920 It probably won't, but who knows. And then once we're 8 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:30.280 done with that, that'll wrap that up, and then we'll 9 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:32.600 move back on to politics or remember, if you missed 10 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:38.479 any of the previous four parts, they're all available on Iheartspotify, iTunes, 11 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.880 go download the podcast. I give all the background and 12 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.039 stuff like that, and always keep something else in mind 13 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.880 whenever we do history on this show. If there is 14 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:53.520 a topic that intrigues you, I just want to stress this. 15 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:58.560 There is a topic that intrigues you, I want to 16 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:06.400 encourage you that I can't possibly present all the interesting, 17 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:11.439 cool parts of it to you. Meaning, if I like 18 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.920 the Rhodesian buschwart's about to be five hours basically of content, 19 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:19.519 if you're fascinated by it. It can be common to 20 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:21.560 think this, and I know because I used to do this. 21 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:24.920 It can be common to think, Okay, well I got it, 22 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:30.159 Jesse already told me about it. No, you're getting the 23 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.000 parts of it that are uniquely intriguing to me. And 24 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.159 of course you have an overview now, a basic understanding 25 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.519 of it. But I only have a basic understanding of it. 26 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:46.760 If there are parts of it that intrigue you, any 27 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:51.359 parts of it, go read or listen to podcasts or 28 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:55.079 even audio books, like Jewish producer Chris does. If there's 29 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.280 a subject that fascinates you that maybe we've introduced you 30 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.359 to on this show, dig into it more yourself. There's 31 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.519 so much more out there. I had to learn this myself. 32 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.199 I'd read one book on something and think, Okay, I 33 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.400 got it. That's it. No, no, no, no, no, go 34 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:14.120 read ten books on it. There's all kinds of different 35 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:18.240 perspectives and angles and details and more things that will 36 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:21.479 come to you if you're fascinated by it. Dig into it, 37 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.599 all right. So we got this email Jesse, I'm really 38 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:27.280 enjoying the history of the Rhodesian Bush War. We got 39 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.319 a bunch of these. I'm glad you enjoying it. At 40 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.400 the beginning of the century, I completed MSG training and 41 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:35.759 was headed to my first post. By the way, MSG 42 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.680 is Marine Security Guard. Those are the guys who guard 43 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.719 our embassies. The United States Marines guard the embassies. Anyway, 44 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:47.159 headed to my first post, Zimbabwe. I had no idea 45 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.840 where it was. To complicate matters, the schoolhouse map was 46 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.240 from nineteen seventy nine, and I had no idea that 47 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.919 it had been Rhodesia. The country was amazing, but I 48 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.439 arrived just as the economy was collapsing. Not to give 49 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.319 it away, one of the local guards told me that 50 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.639 he had fought alongside Robert Mugabi. I'll get to him 51 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.680 in a bit. When I asked him what Mugabi was like, 52 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.680 he gave me this haunting stare and simply said he 53 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.400 is a cruel man. A very telling statement from his 54 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:21.520 former comrade. Anyhow, keep up the good work. I love 55 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:27.280 your show. Simplify. Yeah, I'll let the rest of that 56 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:34.240 thing go. So now I mentioned yesterday where we are now, 57 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:36.280 I won't recap it for you again. I've already done 58 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.360 too much of that. Nineteen seventy four Mozambique, the country 59 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.319 east of Rhodesia. They had been friendly to Rhodesia because 60 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:49.639 they were controlled by the Portuguese. Mozambique falls, Portugal pulls out. 61 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:54.080 They say, hey, you can have it now. Mozambique is 62 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:59.919 openly hostile to Rhodesia and the communist terrorists. They move 63 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:06.520 into Mozambique in a huge way. Gigantic training camps are 64 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:11.759 now open in Zambia and Mozambique. The Soviet Communists are 65 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:16.879 pouring money and munitions and training into these areas. The Chinese, 66 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:21.639 the Chicoms are pouring money and munitions and training into 67 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:28.639 these areas. Rhodesia has its enemies amassing on its borders. 68 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:34.759 It has officially one friend left on the planet, and 69 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:39.160 that friend is South Africa. South Africa kind of on 70 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:45.759 the southwestern border of Rhodesia and South Africa was half 71 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:51.399 their air force planes. South Africa would send men to help. 72 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.839 But here is part of the problem with diplomacy. I 73 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.480 shouldn't say problem. It's just the way the world works. 74 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:59.079 I shouldn't even call it a problem. Let's be adults here. 75 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.959 It's the way that we're world works. Countries like the 76 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.680 United Nations, or countries like the United States, Organizations like 77 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:11.600 the United Nations, countries like the UK, they're not stupid. 78 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:16.920 They understand that Rhodesia is still held up, at least 79 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.800 in part by the South Africans. Well, that creates a 80 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:24.759 problem for South Africa because South Africa is not powerful 81 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:30.879 enough to withstand America, the UN, the UK. So they 82 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:37.160 start leaning hard on Rhodesia to change. And remember the 83 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:39.439 change they want as you read it, as you dig 84 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.920 into it, the change they've always wanted is one man, 85 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.240 one vote, one man, one vote. Well, that would mean 86 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.360 the Europeans would essentially have no power whatsoever, and the 87 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.800 various African tribes would take over all positions of government. 88 00:05:55.560 --> 00:06:00.800 Now pause, by this time, that has our already happened 89 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:08.800 in several countries around Africa. And every place that happened, genocide, poverty, 90 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:14.240 war and misery has followed. The world knows. Everybody knows. 91 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:18.040 If you hand it back over, they're going to murder 92 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:22.240 everybody and destroy every ounce of progress and it's going 93 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.199 to be a disaster. And the Rhodesians know this as well. 94 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:30.160 Remember we're talking a country that got going in eighteen ninety, 95 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:33.879 not that old. We're less than one hundred years old 96 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:38.360 on this country here, and these Europeans managed to build 97 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:42.879 it into the wealthiest, most prosperous country in Africa, modern 98 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.319 paved roads, the works, and they're looking around at every 99 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:50.680 other country in Africa fall and saying we're not giving 100 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:55.399 it back. You're outside of your mind. But the idea 101 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:59.920 was one man, one vote. Now, sorry, folks on Paul 102 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.079 for a moment. We're going back to combat in a minute. 103 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.839 Don't worry about remembering these details. I've given you too many. 104 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:07.800 There's a lot of details in the story. The head 105 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:12.319 of Rhodesia is Ian Smith. Was his name, Ian Smith. 106 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:17.639 He was trying and obviously failed in the end. And 107 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.120 the different things you read will give you different opinions 108 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.680 of Ian Smith. I need to clarify that. But no 109 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.519 matter which way you shake it, he was trying really 110 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.959 hard to work with Britain on an agreement of some 111 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:37.160 kind that would allow Rhodesia to remain Rhodesia while maybe 112 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.920 giving Britain enough of what they wanted to kind of 113 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.639 back off. Hey, back off? Now? Why is he so 114 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.360 desperate for them to back off? Remember I told you 115 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.079 before that Rhodesha was so wealthy and so prosperous that 116 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.439 people were pouring in. Other Africans were pouring in looking 117 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:59.199 for opportunity, looking for work. Europeans were pouring in. Hey, 118 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.160 this is a great place, fertile ground, modern, let's go 119 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.120 have an adventure. Let's go, let's go to Rhodesia. By 120 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.560 this point in the story, we're at the late seventies. 121 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.759 By this point in the story, that has changed. Now 122 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:19.040 farmers are being slaughtered. Now, if you get caught out 123 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.600 in the hinterlands by the terrorist groups with the terrorist camps, 124 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:27.439 they'll kill you, rape you, torture you. Now you had 125 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:31.639 to have an armored convoy. Let's say you and me, 126 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.960 throw your fam in the car. I'll throw my fam 127 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.200 in the car. We're gonna go camp in this weekend. 128 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.399 We're gonna go out to the hinterlands. They'd call it 129 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.360 the bush. We're gonna go out to the bush and 130 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.840 we're gonna go fishing this weekend. You can't do that 131 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.399 anymore in Rhodesia, unless, of course, you have a friend 132 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:51.200 in the army, because it requires a military convoy to 133 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.440 drive out to the hinterlands. Think of it this way. 134 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.639 Salisbury is the main city. It wasn't only Salisbury, but 135 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.480 I'll make it easy. Salisbury the main city. Consider Salisbury 136 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:06.120 your fortress of safety. It's four to five fortress of safety. 137 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:12.360 That's fine. You leave that fortress, you might die. You 138 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:15.639 go out to any of the rural lands in Rhodesia, 139 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.240 you might die, and you might die ugly. Well. Remember, 140 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.639 Rhodesia may have had an elite military, but still it 141 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.360 was not a military. The country itself, Rhodesia was not 142 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:31.240 a military. It was a country, a country made up 143 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:39.320 of people of men, women, young, old school children, churches. 144 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:45.399 It was a civilization. And people who had previously come 145 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.799 to Rhodesia in search of opportunity and adventure. They didn't 146 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.480 want to live in a place where a landmine might 147 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.519 incinerate your whole family when you were driving out for 148 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:00.639 a picnic after church on a Sunday afternoon. Things have 149 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:04.879 gotten so bad and Rhodesia Europeans are leaving, thousands of them. 150 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:10.960 They're done. The country is coming apart. We'll continue in 151 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.840 a moment Jesse Kelly's Show on a Fantastic, Fantastic Tuesday. 152 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:19.440 You can email us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. 153 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.799 Back to our Rhodesian Bush War history. Now we need 154 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.200 to pause on Rhodesia specifically for a moment, and we 155 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.000 need to focus on the terrorists or gorillas, depending on 156 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.120 which side you're on. Here. As I told you before, 157 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:38.360 there are two very very different communists terrorist groups, and 158 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:42.960 they're different because they come from the two different African 159 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:48.600 tribes that had previously controlled Rhodesia. I won't bother with 160 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.200 naming the tribes again, that's just the detail. It doesn't matter. 161 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:52.919 You can go dig into it. The tribes are known 162 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:59.519 as different things anyway, but two different tribes historical hatred, slavery, slaughter, 163 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:07.360 historical hatred. Well, one of those tribes backed by the Soviets, 164 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:12.840 the other tribe backed by the Chinese. But wait, there's more. 165 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:18.200 Communists are horrible, aren't they. They're even horrible to each other. 166 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:23.919 You see, there's actually an internal communist revolt that kind 167 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.799 of slows things down for the Soviet back communists because 168 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.480 they end up having their leaders arrested and tortured, and 169 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.720 then they have to arrest and torture the guy. It's 170 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:37.120 don't My whole point in this was don't think that 171 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.759 it's all hunky dory with the communist terrorists who are 172 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.919 setting up these camps outside of Rhodesia, and in some 173 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.840 cases in Rhodesia. It is not now back to being 174 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:54.039 in Rhodesia. The Rhodesians are running out of stuff, and 175 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.639 it really is. It's amazing how how how they were 176 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:01.120 able to fix planes and fix helicopter with essentially what 177 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.320 they had on hand. They're patching it all together. I 178 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.919 was reading one thing from a guy. He was Rhodesian 179 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.240 light infantry, and he talked all the time about how 180 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.000 he would have to stitch up his own combat gear 181 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.039 because the gear they had was so worn out and 182 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.320 frayed that you couldn't even store anything in it. Remember, 183 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:27.440 these guys are toughest nails. Their military was excellent, but 184 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:31.399 they're running out of things, and they're also hurting for 185 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.440 man power. Remember yesterday what I mentioned fire force. What 186 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.279 it was Fireforce were these different quick reaction forces in 187 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.759 the country and they would they would find terrorists, they'd 188 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.600 get load up in the heroes, load up in the planes, 189 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.080 take off towards the terrorists, try to surround them, envelop 190 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.799 them and kill them. All sounds great, worked really well, 191 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:58.080 was a genius idea, But the number of terrorists is 192 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:04.559 seemingly endless. The number of Rhodesians is not. They don't 193 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:08.559 have the man power to suffer a broken ankle. These 194 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.720 fire force units were supposed to be one hundred men, 195 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.120 one hundred and twenty men. They were always going out 196 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:17.759 with seventy. People were dying, people were getting hurt. And again, 197 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.080 this is a tiny portion of society. The man power 198 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:29.799 is limited. So let's discuss somebody briefly here, because he's 199 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.159 going to matter. In fact, the email brought him up already, 200 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:36.720 Robert Mugabi. People who have any understanding of history of 201 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.480 the region will know the name. Of course, certainly older 202 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:44.759 people will know the name Robert Mugabi. Spoiler alert. He's 203 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:48.200 the head of one of the communist groups, the Chinese backed, 204 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:54.679 actually the Chinese backed communist group that will eventually conquer Rhodesia. 205 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:59.000 Remember that he is already a monster, a butcher. He 206 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:03.000 is known as a butcher. He has advanced Chinese training, 207 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:08.759 not just on military stuff, on insurgencies, on everything. He 208 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:14.039 is somebody widely known to be a bad, bad person. 209 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:18.720 I mentioned Ian Smith's negotiations with the British government, how 210 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.720 they're trying to negotiate some sort of an agreement where 211 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.559 the Rhodesians can the Europeans essentially can retain control, but 212 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:29.600 of course with increased African representation and things like that. 213 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:34.200 And one of the things the Rhodesians were passionate about 214 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:39.840 was under no circumstances can Robert Mugabi take over this country. 215 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.679 This was something well known even with the other terrorists, 216 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:48.559 the Soviet back terrorists, even they knew, Oh, Robert Mugabi, 217 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.639 that would probably be bad. He definitely seems like a 218 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.799 genocidal madman who will kill and torture everybody. We should 219 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.600 probably avoid that. Now, what kind of things are the 220 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.159 Rhodesians doing. Some of these things you may love, some 221 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.480 may not. I mentioned yesterday. They're putting up their own 222 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:14.679 land mines, lots of them. They are draining the rural 223 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:18.639 areas because now that the Communists are able to come 224 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:24.600 into Rhodesia, in the rural areas, the Communists are recruiting Rhodesians, 225 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:29.480 Black African Rhodesians, recruiting them from inside the country. And 226 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.679 by the way, because they're communists, it's not always lovely 227 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:38.720 recruit recruitment recruitment with US signing bonuses and candy canes 228 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:42.200 for everybody. They operated in much the same way the 229 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.679 Vietcong operated. They would walk into your African village and 230 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.720 pull the village elder in the village leader and ask 231 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:51.399 him for twenty young men to join the communist cause. 232 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.919 And if he said no, they gather the whole village 233 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:56.600 around and they carve his guts out while he's still 234 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.200 alive in front of everybody, rape all the women, and 235 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.279 chop people's head off. It's horrible. It's just human rights 236 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:07.080 abuses like you can't possibly imagine. Well, now this is 237 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.840 making a bad problem even worse for the Rhodesians. They're 238 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:17.480 having internal problems, and so they start doing things like 239 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.279 I already mentioned, draining these areas. They're not letting people 240 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:24.080 stay there anymore. Now they're having things like curfews where 241 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:28.440 if they catch you out after a certain hour, you die. Period. Well, 242 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:30.559 what's going to happen? Then you're going to eventually kill 243 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.399 innocent people, and then that's going to make international news. 244 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:40.000 They're just swimming against the tide. So they eventually do 245 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:43.279 pull off one of the cooler military things I've ever 246 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:48.360 heard in my life that was awesome and wonderful in 247 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.480 a complete and total disaster. I will explain what that 248 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.360 is in a moment. Jesse Kelly show on a Fantastic 249 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.519 Tuesday going over the final part of the Rhodesian bush War. 250 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.200 If you miss to any of the others, iHeart spotify iTunes. 251 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.680 So by now I mentioned already the Rhodesians are having 252 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:10.480 to take extreme measures, and keep in mind, I don't 253 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.480 want to present them as fluffy and cuddly. They're doing 254 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.759 some torturing themselves. They are, and they're doing things that 255 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:24.440 would make you probably squeamish. For instance, they're selling cigarettes, 256 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:32.039 clothing to the communist gorillas that's poisoned, poisoning them. These 257 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:35.680 are the kinds of things they're doing. Now I mentioned 258 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.680 Mozambique and how big of a problem Mozambique was. These 259 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:45.680 huge communist training camps were in Mozambique. Now there's a unit, 260 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:49.920 and I read a wonderful book. Three SIPs of Gin 261 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.440 is the name of the book. Three SIPs of Gin 262 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.880 is the name of the book. Three SIPs of Gin 263 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.960 is the name of the book. Anyway, about this unit 264 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.200 I've mentioned before, called the Cellas Scouts or Selu Scouts. 265 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:08.119 They were in elite unit, as I mentioned, more than 266 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:10.480 half of them, and that's going to matter for Operation 267 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:15.559 Elan's purposes. More than half of them were Black Africans. 268 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:19.400 Many of those Black Africans were actually recruits. They had 269 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:23.400 been communists and then they got recruited and they joined 270 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.599 the cellas scouts. This unit did more things that I 271 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:29.640 could ever lay out than I even know. I mean, 272 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.039 I've only read a few books on the subject. They 273 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.160 were always tracking people. They were doing they were posing 274 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:41.240 as warlords, they were poisoning cigarettes. They were the clandestine 275 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.240 find a way to find them and kill them unit, 276 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:51.279 and they came up with an operation. Uh gutsy is 277 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:55.039 just one way you would describe it. You see, there 278 00:18:55.160 --> 00:19:00.599 was this large communist training camp in Mozambique. Here is 279 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:06.400 what happened. These sellers scouts knew when the troops would 280 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.880 gather for formation. I believe there were a couple thousand 281 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:13.519 troops when they would gather for formation in this space 282 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:18.480 in Mozambique. Here's what they did. They gathered up in 283 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:23.759 a bunch of armored cars. Armored cars designed armored cars 284 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.279 that were the same cars that the terrorists would be using. 285 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:32.359 Keep in mind cars that had gigantic machine guns on them. 286 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:36.079 I won't break down the details of these machine guns. Also, 287 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.319 cars that it's hard to see inside an armored car, 288 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:45.920 is it not. These Sellu scouts used their black members 289 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:50.799 and they put terrorist uniforms on them, so they looked 290 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.039 like the communists terrorists, and those were the ones who 291 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:58.200 were the drivers and the turret gunners, of course, And 292 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.359 they drive up to the gate of this communist training 293 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:07.759 camp in Mozambique while all the terrorists are on the 294 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.480 parade ground for formation, and of course they get stopped 295 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:13.240 at the gate. The communist said, wow, what are you 296 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:16.200 doing here? And they pull that thing you've seen in 297 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.960 the movies a thousand times. They say, I'll have you arrested. 298 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:23.799 What are you doing stopping me? You peon, I'm general whatever, 299 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.119 I'm colonel whatever. I'll cut your hands off. Of course 300 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.000 it's some I'm sure it's some twenty year old idiot 301 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.640 kid at the gate. Well, sorry, you guys, go ahead. 302 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:40.279 They drive these armored vehicles into the base. They are 303 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:45.640 outnumbered on this base sixty to one. They are not 304 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:50.559 only outnumbered sixty to one. May I repeat myself, they 305 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:54.720 are in a totally different country. They are in Mozambique, 306 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:59.079 they are not in Rhodesia. They pull the armored vehicles 307 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:04.000 with the heavy machine guns onto the parade ground. The 308 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.480 troops who are on the parade ground, remember there's a 309 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:10.920 couple thousand of them, They want to know what's going on. 310 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:16.960 They began to gather around the armored vehicles, at which 311 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.759 point in time the signal is given and the heavy 312 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:26.640 machine guns open fire on the defenseless terrorists on the 313 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:32.000 parade ground and they start chopping these guys up like cord. 314 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:43.319 They slaughter the African terrorists, no deaths on behalf of 315 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.440 the cellas scouts. When they've done what they can do, 316 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:50.720 they peel rubber in their armored cars and drive out 317 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:54.640 of the base all the way back to Rhodesia. One 318 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:59.680 of the most bold, brilliant military actions I have ever 319 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:04.359 heard of in my entire life. A humongous success right 320 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:12.200 and of course widely celebrated in Rhodesia. But as we 321 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:19.720 have discussed, there's always a political aspect to war. Always. 322 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:23.119 I don't like it, you don't like it. Kill the 323 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.599 enemy is all that matters, but that's not real life. 324 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:34.000 Operation Eland as it is called, was a humongous military success, 325 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:39.240 but at this point in history, it is a diplomatic, 326 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:45.759 a political disaster. Rhodesia is already coming apart. It is 327 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.920 politically on the outs with the rest of the world, 328 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:56.880 and Jimmy Carter's President of the United States of America. 329 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:02.759 Operation eland or deifies the entire planet. Think about it. 330 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.160 A bunch of unarmed Africans. And of course the Communists 331 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:08.519 say they were all refugees. They don't say any of 332 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:11.599 these guys were terrorists or soldiers or gorillas. They act 333 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.200 like the Rhodesians rode in and mowed down a bunch 334 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:19.599 of women and children. Now what's the one friend Rhodesia 335 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:26.599 has left on the planet South Africa. After Operation eland 336 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:32.200 the world comes down so hard on South Africa. South 337 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:39.200 Africa says, hey, Rhodesia, we're out. You are on your own. 338 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:44.640 And they leave, and they take their men, and they 339 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:53.400 take their planes and they bail. Now it's over, I 340 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:58.160 mean at this exact moment. It doesn't end, but this 341 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:04.599 ends Rhodesia. They are a land locked country where the 342 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.599 modern countries of the world have declared them to be 343 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:13.400 the enemy, and physically every country now on their border 344 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:18.559 is hostile to them. Not only no more trade, most 345 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.559 of the countries on their border are harboring and training 346 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:28.680 and supplying terrorists pouring into their country. Now they know 347 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:32.799 it's over, the only question is what do you do? 348 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.200 So they came up with a couple different plans. There 349 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:42.519 was one plan. One plan was to essentially leave the 350 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:46.799 country and burn down and destroy all the infrastructure on 351 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:50.200 the way out, essentially fight a rearguard action down to 352 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.359 South Africa where you'll leave and just burn but you know, 353 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.000 fill up, put concrete in every toilet, rip up every street, 354 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:04.200 leave nothing for the Africans. But what happens is they 355 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:09.000 agree to have an election, a one man, one vote 356 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:13.400 style election the Brits had been pushing for from the 357 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:18.519 very very beginning. Well, how do communists operate elections here 358 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.319 in the United States of America? How'd that twenty twenty 359 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:25.880 election go? How do you think Robert Mugabi and his 360 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.680 political party, how exactly do you think they're going to 361 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:34.119 handle an election in Rhodesia. Yeah, let me go ahead 362 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:38.240 and spoil it for you, Robert Mugaby with some uh 363 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:45.119 shady dealings, if you will takes power in Rhodesia. Now 364 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.039 we'll just do a couple more sentences on this, thirty 365 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.079 more seconds, because I think you already know how it goes. 366 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:56.759 From here. It doesn't go very well. All right, hang on, 367 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:01.720 what is the Jesse Kelisha, Oh, final segment of the 368 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:04.799 Jesse Kelly Show on this hour. Don't worry, we still 369 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:06.880 have an entire other hour. It's just going to be 370 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:12.160 our final segment on the Rhodesian Bush War. Fast forward. 371 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:17.960 We finally have peace in Rhodesia. Peace doesn't go very well. 372 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:23.000 Robert Mugabe and his communists take over the government. Now 373 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.359 I need to clarify. I said there were a couple 374 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.279 different plans. The Europeans had. One of those plans actually 375 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:34.039 involved now performing a military coup and killing them all. 376 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.440 But they decided to set those plans aside and they 377 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.880 walked away. But not all Europeans walked away. And I know, 378 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:43.640 given what we're going to know here in a moment, 379 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:48.240 that probably sounds bonkers. Hey, some angry communists, some murderous time, 380 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.079 it just took over. Why would you stay? Let's remember 381 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.960 these are real people, And let's remember you might be 382 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:01.200 on your third generation in your family fall in Rhodesia. 383 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:06.640 Maybe your grandfather came here eighty years ago. It's easy 384 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.160 looking back down. It's easy for you, it's easy for 385 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.839 me to say, hey, you got to get out. That 386 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.440 may be everything you have it maybe everything you've ever known. 387 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:17.799 I mean, you might be fifty five years old. What 388 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.799 are you gonna do? Go start over. A lot of 389 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:27.240 Europeans chose to stay, and Robert Mugabi, who understood the 390 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:32.799 world was watching him now, initially tried to play it 391 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.400 off as if he was just going to be a 392 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:40.000 pretty fair guy. Still allowed a few Europeans to be 393 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:45.920 represented in the government, didn't immediately start the purges. But 394 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.960 he's a communist. What do communists do with power? Do 395 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.440 you think they're different than our than our communists? What 396 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.400 do they do? They do two things. They reward their 397 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:59.160 friends and they punish their enemies. Robert Mugabi begins to 398 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.599 fill up the government met with committed communists. Robert Mugabi 399 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.319 also he believes he has two sets of enemies in 400 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:13.200 the country, not just the white Europeans. Remember those Soviet 401 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:18.559