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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Tuesday, and do not forget.
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Speaker 1: are about to finish finally the Rhodesian bush War tonight.
Speaker 1: I have no worthly idea how long it's going to
Speaker 1: take me. It might not even take me an hour.
Speaker 1: It probably won't, but who knows. And then once we're
Speaker 1: done with that, that'll wrap that up, and then we'll
Speaker 1: move back on to politics or remember, if you missed
Speaker 1: any of the previous four parts, they're all available on Iheartspotify, iTunes,
Speaker 1: go download the podcast. I give all the background and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and always keep something else in mind
Speaker 1: whenever we do history on this show. If there is
Speaker 1: a topic that intrigues you, I just want to stress this.
Speaker 1: There is a topic that intrigues you, I want to
Speaker 1: encourage you that I can't possibly present all the interesting,
Speaker 1: cool parts of it to you. Meaning, if I like
Speaker 1: the Rhodesian buschwart's about to be five hours basically of content,
Speaker 1: if you're fascinated by it. It can be common to
Speaker 1: think this, and I know because I used to do this.
Speaker 1: It can be common to think, Okay, well I got it,
Speaker 1: Jesse already told me about it. No, you're getting the
Speaker 1: parts of it that are uniquely intriguing to me. And
Speaker 1: of course you have an overview now, a basic understanding
Speaker 1: of it. But I only have a basic understanding of it.
Speaker 1: If there are parts of it that intrigue you, any
Speaker 1: parts of it, go read or listen to podcasts or
Speaker 1: even audio books, like Jewish producer Chris does. If there's
Speaker 1: a subject that fascinates you that maybe we've introduced you
Speaker 1: to on this show, dig into it more yourself. There's
Speaker 1: so much more out there. I had to learn this myself.
Speaker 1: I'd read one book on something and think, Okay, I
Speaker 1: got it. That's it. No, no, no, no, no, go
Speaker 1: read ten books on it. There's all kinds of different
Speaker 1: perspectives and angles and details and more things that will
Speaker 1: come to you if you're fascinated by it. Dig into it,
Speaker 1: all right. So we got this email Jesse, I'm really
Speaker 1: enjoying the history of the Rhodesian Bush War. We got
Speaker 1: a bunch of these. I'm glad you enjoying it. At
Speaker 1: the beginning of the century, I completed MSG training and
Speaker 1: was headed to my first post. By the way, MSG
Speaker 1: is Marine Security Guard. Those are the guys who guard
Speaker 1: our embassies. The United States Marines guard the embassies. Anyway,
Speaker 1: headed to my first post, Zimbabwe. I had no idea
Speaker 1: where it was. To complicate matters, the schoolhouse map was
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy nine, and I had no idea that
Speaker 1: it had been Rhodesia. The country was amazing, but I
Speaker 1: arrived just as the economy was collapsing. Not to give
Speaker 1: it away, one of the local guards told me that
Speaker 1: he had fought alongside Robert Mugabi. I'll get to him
Speaker 1: in a bit. When I asked him what Mugabi was like,
Speaker 1: he gave me this haunting stare and simply said he
Speaker 1: is a cruel man. A very telling statement from his
Speaker 1: former comrade. Anyhow, keep up the good work. I love
Speaker 1: your show. Simplify. Yeah, I'll let the rest of that
Speaker 1: thing go. So now I mentioned yesterday where we are now,
Speaker 1: I won't recap it for you again. I've already done
Speaker 1: too much of that. Nineteen seventy four Mozambique, the country
Speaker 1: east of Rhodesia. They had been friendly to Rhodesia because
Speaker 1: they were controlled by the Portuguese. Mozambique falls, Portugal pulls out.
Speaker 1: They say, hey, you can have it now. Mozambique is
Speaker 1: openly hostile to Rhodesia and the communist terrorists. They move
Speaker 1: into Mozambique in a huge way. Gigantic training camps are
Speaker 1: now open in Zambia and Mozambique. The Soviet Communists are
Speaker 1: pouring money and munitions and training into these areas. The Chinese,
Speaker 1: the Chicoms are pouring money and munitions and training into
Speaker 1: these areas. Rhodesia has its enemies amassing on its borders.
Speaker 1: It has officially one friend left on the planet, and
Speaker 1: that friend is South Africa. South Africa kind of on
Speaker 1: the southwestern border of Rhodesia and South Africa was half
Speaker 1: their air force planes. South Africa would send men to help.
Speaker 1: But here is part of the problem with diplomacy. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say problem. It's just the way the world works.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even call it a problem. Let's be adults here.
Speaker 1: It's the way that we're world works. Countries like the
Speaker 1: United Nations, or countries like the United States, Organizations like
Speaker 1: the United Nations, countries like the UK, they're not stupid.
Speaker 1: They understand that Rhodesia is still held up, at least
Speaker 1: in part by the South Africans. Well, that creates a
Speaker 1: problem for South Africa because South Africa is not powerful
Speaker 1: enough to withstand America, the UN, the UK. So they
Speaker 1: start leaning hard on Rhodesia to change. And remember the
Speaker 1: change they want as you read it, as you dig
Speaker 1: into it, the change they've always wanted is one man,
Speaker 1: one vote, one man, one vote. Well, that would mean
Speaker 1: the Europeans would essentially have no power whatsoever, and the
Speaker 1: various African tribes would take over all positions of government.
Speaker 1: Now pause, by this time, that has our already happened
Speaker 1: in several countries around Africa. And every place that happened, genocide, poverty,
Speaker 1: war and misery has followed. The world knows. Everybody knows.
Speaker 1: If you hand it back over, they're going to murder
Speaker 1: everybody and destroy every ounce of progress and it's going
Speaker 1: to be a disaster. And the Rhodesians know this as well.
Speaker 1: Remember we're talking a country that got going in eighteen ninety,
Speaker 1: not that old. We're less than one hundred years old
Speaker 1: on this country here, and these Europeans managed to build
Speaker 1: it into the wealthiest, most prosperous country in Africa, modern
Speaker 1: paved roads, the works, and they're looking around at every
Speaker 1: other country in Africa fall and saying we're not giving
Speaker 1: it back. You're outside of your mind. But the idea
Speaker 1: was one man, one vote. Now, sorry, folks on Paul
Speaker 1: for a moment. We're going back to combat in a minute.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about remembering these details. I've given you too many.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of details in the story. The head
Speaker 1: of Rhodesia is Ian Smith. Was his name, Ian Smith.
Speaker 1: He was trying and obviously failed in the end. And
Speaker 1: the different things you read will give you different opinions
Speaker 1: of Ian Smith. I need to clarify that. But no
Speaker 1: matter which way you shake it, he was trying really
Speaker 1: hard to work with Britain on an agreement of some
Speaker 1: kind that would allow Rhodesia to remain Rhodesia while maybe
Speaker 1: giving Britain enough of what they wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: back off. Hey, back off? Now? Why is he so
Speaker 1: desperate for them to back off? Remember I told you
Speaker 1: before that Rhodesha was so wealthy and so prosperous that
Speaker 1: people were pouring in. Other Africans were pouring in looking
Speaker 1: for opportunity, looking for work. Europeans were pouring in. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is a great place, fertile ground, modern, let's go
Speaker 1: have an adventure. Let's go, let's go to Rhodesia. By
Speaker 1: this point in the story, we're at the late seventies.
Speaker 1: By this point in the story, that has changed. Now
Speaker 1: farmers are being slaughtered. Now, if you get caught out
Speaker 1: in the hinterlands by the terrorist groups with the terrorist camps,
Speaker 1: they'll kill you, rape you, torture you. Now you had
Speaker 1: to have an armored convoy. Let's say you and me,
Speaker 1: throw your fam in the car. I'll throw my fam
Speaker 1: in the car. We're gonna go camp in this weekend.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go out to the hinterlands. They'd call it
Speaker 1: the bush. We're gonna go out to the bush and
Speaker 1: we're gonna go fishing this weekend. You can't do that
Speaker 1: anymore in Rhodesia, unless, of course, you have a friend
Speaker 1: in the army, because it requires a military convoy to
Speaker 1: drive out to the hinterlands. Think of it this way.
Speaker 1: Salisbury is the main city. It wasn't only Salisbury, but
Speaker 1: I'll make it easy. Salisbury the main city. Consider Salisbury
Speaker 1: your fortress of safety. It's four to five fortress of safety.
Speaker 1: That's fine. You leave that fortress, you might die. You
Speaker 1: go out to any of the rural lands in Rhodesia,
Speaker 1: you might die, and you might die ugly. Well. Remember,
Speaker 1: Rhodesia may have had an elite military, but still it
Speaker 1: was not a military. The country itself, Rhodesia was not
Speaker 1: a military. It was a country, a country made up
Speaker 1: of people of men, women, young, old school children, churches.
Speaker 1: It was a civilization. And people who had previously come
Speaker 1: to Rhodesia in search of opportunity and adventure. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to live in a place where a landmine might
Speaker 1: incinerate your whole family when you were driving out for
Speaker 1: a picnic after church on a Sunday afternoon. Things have
Speaker 1: gotten so bad and Rhodesia Europeans are leaving, thousands of them.
Speaker 1: They're done. The country is coming apart. We'll continue in
Speaker 1: a moment Jesse Kelly's Show on a Fantastic, Fantastic Tuesday.
Speaker 1: You can email us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.
Speaker 1: Back to our Rhodesian Bush War history. Now we need
Speaker 1: to pause on Rhodesia specifically for a moment, and we
Speaker 1: need to focus on the terrorists or gorillas, depending on
Speaker 1: which side you're on. Here. As I told you before,
Speaker 1: there are two very very different communists terrorist groups, and
Speaker 1: they're different because they come from the two different African
Speaker 1: tribes that had previously controlled Rhodesia. I won't bother with
Speaker 1: naming the tribes again, that's just the detail. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You can go dig into it. The tribes are known
Speaker 1: as different things anyway, but two different tribes historical hatred, slavery, slaughter,
Speaker 1: historical hatred. Well, one of those tribes backed by the Soviets,
Speaker 1: the other tribe backed by the Chinese. But wait, there's more.
Speaker 1: Communists are horrible, aren't they. They're even horrible to each other.
Speaker 1: You see, there's actually an internal communist revolt that kind
Speaker 1: of slows things down for the Soviet back communists because
Speaker 1: they end up having their leaders arrested and tortured, and
Speaker 1: then they have to arrest and torture the guy. It's
Speaker 1: don't My whole point in this was don't think that
Speaker 1: it's all hunky dory with the communist terrorists who are
Speaker 1: setting up these camps outside of Rhodesia, and in some
Speaker 1: cases in Rhodesia. It is not now back to being
Speaker 1: in Rhodesia. The Rhodesians are running out of stuff, and
Speaker 1: it really is. It's amazing how how how they were
Speaker 1: able to fix planes and fix helicopter with essentially what
Speaker 1: they had on hand. They're patching it all together. I
Speaker 1: was reading one thing from a guy. He was Rhodesian
Speaker 1: light infantry, and he talked all the time about how
Speaker 1: he would have to stitch up his own combat gear
Speaker 1: because the gear they had was so worn out and
Speaker 1: frayed that you couldn't even store anything in it. Remember,
Speaker 1: these guys are toughest nails. Their military was excellent, but
Speaker 1: they're running out of things, and they're also hurting for
Speaker 1: man power. Remember yesterday what I mentioned fire force. What
Speaker 1: it was Fireforce were these different quick reaction forces in
Speaker 1: the country and they would they would find terrorists, they'd
Speaker 1: get load up in the heroes, load up in the planes,
Speaker 1: take off towards the terrorists, try to surround them, envelop
Speaker 1: them and kill them. All sounds great, worked really well,
Speaker 1: was a genius idea, But the number of terrorists is
Speaker 1: seemingly endless. The number of Rhodesians is not. They don't
Speaker 1: have the man power to suffer a broken ankle. These
Speaker 1: fire force units were supposed to be one hundred men,
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty men. They were always going out
Speaker 1: with seventy. People were dying, people were getting hurt. And again,
Speaker 1: this is a tiny portion of society. The man power
Speaker 1: is limited. So let's discuss somebody briefly here, because he's
Speaker 1: going to matter. In fact, the email brought him up already,
Speaker 1: Robert Mugabi. People who have any understanding of history of
Speaker 1: the region will know the name. Of course, certainly older
Speaker 1: people will know the name Robert Mugabi. Spoiler alert. He's
Speaker 1: the head of one of the communist groups, the Chinese backed,
Speaker 1: actually the Chinese backed communist group that will eventually conquer Rhodesia.
Speaker 1: Remember that he is already a monster, a butcher. He
Speaker 1: is known as a butcher. He has advanced Chinese training,
Speaker 1: not just on military stuff, on insurgencies, on everything. He
Speaker 1: is somebody widely known to be a bad, bad person.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Ian Smith's negotiations with the British government, how
Speaker 1: they're trying to negotiate some sort of an agreement where
Speaker 1: the Rhodesians can the Europeans essentially can retain control, but
Speaker 1: of course with increased African representation and things like that.
Speaker 1: And one of the things the Rhodesians were passionate about
Speaker 1: was under no circumstances can Robert Mugabi take over this country.
Speaker 1: This was something well known even with the other terrorists,
Speaker 1: the Soviet back terrorists, even they knew, Oh, Robert Mugabi,
Speaker 1: that would probably be bad. He definitely seems like a
Speaker 1: genocidal madman who will kill and torture everybody. We should
Speaker 1: probably avoid that. Now, what kind of things are the
Speaker 1: Rhodesians doing. Some of these things you may love, some
Speaker 1: may not. I mentioned yesterday. They're putting up their own
Speaker 1: land mines, lots of them. They are draining the rural
Speaker 1: areas because now that the Communists are able to come
Speaker 1: into Rhodesia, in the rural areas, the Communists are recruiting Rhodesians,
Speaker 1: Black African Rhodesians, recruiting them from inside the country. And
Speaker 1: by the way, because they're communists, it's not always lovely
Speaker 1: recruit recruitment recruitment with US signing bonuses and candy canes
Speaker 1: for everybody. They operated in much the same way the
Speaker 1: Vietcong operated. They would walk into your African village and
Speaker 1: pull the village elder in the village leader and ask
Speaker 1: him for twenty young men to join the communist cause.
Speaker 1: And if he said no, they gather the whole village
Speaker 1: around and they carve his guts out while he's still
Speaker 1: alive in front of everybody, rape all the women, and
Speaker 1: chop people's head off. It's horrible. It's just human rights
Speaker 1: abuses like you can't possibly imagine. Well, now this is
Speaker 1: making a bad problem even worse for the Rhodesians. They're
Speaker 1: having internal problems, and so they start doing things like
Speaker 1: I already mentioned, draining these areas. They're not letting people
Speaker 1: stay there anymore. Now they're having things like curfews where
Speaker 1: if they catch you out after a certain hour, you die. Period. Well,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? Then you're going to eventually kill
Speaker 1: innocent people, and then that's going to make international news.
Speaker 1: They're just swimming against the tide. So they eventually do
Speaker 1: pull off one of the cooler military things I've ever
Speaker 1: heard in my life that was awesome and wonderful in
Speaker 1: a complete and total disaster. I will explain what that
Speaker 1: is in a moment. Jesse Kelly show on a Fantastic
Speaker 1: Tuesday going over the final part of the Rhodesian bush War.
Speaker 1: If you miss to any of the others, iHeart spotify iTunes.
Speaker 1: So by now I mentioned already the Rhodesians are having
Speaker 1: to take extreme measures, and keep in mind, I don't
Speaker 1: want to present them as fluffy and cuddly. They're doing
Speaker 1: some torturing themselves. They are, and they're doing things that
Speaker 1: would make you probably squeamish. For instance, they're selling cigarettes,
Speaker 1: clothing to the communist gorillas that's poisoned, poisoning them. These
Speaker 1: are the kinds of things they're doing. Now I mentioned
Speaker 1: Mozambique and how big of a problem Mozambique was. These
Speaker 1: huge communist training camps were in Mozambique. Now there's a unit,
Speaker 1: and I read a wonderful book. Three SIPs of Gin
Speaker 1: is the name of the book. Three SIPs of Gin
Speaker 1: is the name of the book. Anyway, about this unit
Speaker 1: I've mentioned before, called the Cellas Scouts or Selu Scouts.
Speaker 1: They were in elite unit, as I mentioned, more than
Speaker 1: half of them, and that's going to matter for Operation
Speaker 1: Elan's purposes. More than half of them were Black Africans.
Speaker 1: Many of those Black Africans were actually recruits. They had
Speaker 1: been communists and then they got recruited and they joined
Speaker 1: the cellas scouts. This unit did more things that I
Speaker 1: could ever lay out than I even know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've only read a few books on the subject. They
Speaker 1: were always tracking people. They were doing they were posing
Speaker 1: as warlords, they were poisoning cigarettes. They were the clandestine
Speaker 1: find a way to find them and kill them unit,
Speaker 1: and they came up with an operation. Uh gutsy is
Speaker 1: just one way you would describe it. You see, there
Speaker 1: was this large communist training camp in Mozambique. Here is
Speaker 1: what happened. These sellers scouts knew when the troops would
Speaker 1: gather for formation. I believe there were a couple thousand
Speaker 1: troops when they would gather for formation in this space
Speaker 1: in Mozambique. Here's what they did. They gathered up in
Speaker 1: a bunch of armored cars. Armored cars designed armored cars
Speaker 1: that were the same cars that the terrorists would be using.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind cars that had gigantic machine guns on them.
Speaker 1: I won't break down the details of these machine guns. Also,
Speaker 1: cars that it's hard to see inside an armored car,
Speaker 1: is it not. These Sellu scouts used their black members
Speaker 1: and they put terrorist uniforms on them, so they looked
Speaker 1: like the communists terrorists, and those were the ones who
Speaker 1: were the drivers and the turret gunners, of course, And
Speaker 1: they drive up to the gate of this communist training
Speaker 1: camp in Mozambique while all the terrorists are on the
Speaker 1: parade ground for formation, and of course they get stopped
Speaker 1: at the gate. The communist said, wow, what are you
Speaker 1: doing here? And they pull that thing you've seen in
Speaker 1: the movies a thousand times. They say, I'll have you arrested.
Speaker 1: What are you doing stopping me? You peon, I'm general whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm colonel whatever. I'll cut your hands off. Of course
Speaker 1: it's some I'm sure it's some twenty year old idiot
Speaker 1: kid at the gate. Well, sorry, you guys, go ahead.
Speaker 1: They drive these armored vehicles into the base. They are
Speaker 1: outnumbered on this base sixty to one. They are not
Speaker 1: only outnumbered sixty to one. May I repeat myself, they
Speaker 1: are in a totally different country. They are in Mozambique,
Speaker 1: they are not in Rhodesia. They pull the armored vehicles
Speaker 1: with the heavy machine guns onto the parade ground. The
Speaker 1: troops who are on the parade ground, remember there's a
Speaker 1: couple thousand of them, They want to know what's going on.
Speaker 1: They began to gather around the armored vehicles, at which
Speaker 1: point in time the signal is given and the heavy
Speaker 1: machine guns open fire on the defenseless terrorists on the
Speaker 1: parade ground and they start chopping these guys up like cord.
Speaker 1: They slaughter the African terrorists, no deaths on behalf of
Speaker 1: the cellas scouts. When they've done what they can do,
Speaker 1: they peel rubber in their armored cars and drive out
Speaker 1: of the base all the way back to Rhodesia. One
Speaker 1: of the most bold, brilliant military actions I have ever
Speaker 1: heard of in my entire life. A humongous success right
Speaker 1: and of course widely celebrated in Rhodesia. But as we
Speaker 1: have discussed, there's always a political aspect to war. Always.
Speaker 1: I don't like it, you don't like it. Kill the
Speaker 1: enemy is all that matters, but that's not real life.
Speaker 1: Operation Eland as it is called, was a humongous military success,
Speaker 1: but at this point in history, it is a diplomatic,
Speaker 1: a political disaster. Rhodesia is already coming apart. It is
Speaker 1: politically on the outs with the rest of the world,
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Carter's President of the United States of America.
Speaker 1: Operation eland or deifies the entire planet. Think about it.
Speaker 1: A bunch of unarmed Africans. And of course the Communists
Speaker 1: say they were all refugees. They don't say any of
Speaker 1: these guys were terrorists or soldiers or gorillas. They act
Speaker 1: like the Rhodesians rode in and mowed down a bunch
Speaker 1: of women and children. Now what's the one friend Rhodesia
Speaker 1: has left on the planet South Africa. After Operation eland
Speaker 1: the world comes down so hard on South Africa. South
Speaker 1: Africa says, hey, Rhodesia, we're out. You are on your own.
Speaker 1: And they leave, and they take their men, and they
Speaker 1: take their planes and they bail. Now it's over, I
Speaker 1: mean at this exact moment. It doesn't end, but this
Speaker 1: ends Rhodesia. They are a land locked country where the
Speaker 1: modern countries of the world have declared them to be
Speaker 1: the enemy, and physically every country now on their border
Speaker 1: is hostile to them. Not only no more trade, most
Speaker 1: of the countries on their border are harboring and training
Speaker 1: and supplying terrorists pouring into their country. Now they know
Speaker 1: it's over, the only question is what do you do?
Speaker 1: So they came up with a couple different plans. There
Speaker 1: was one plan. One plan was to essentially leave the
Speaker 1: country and burn down and destroy all the infrastructure on
Speaker 1: the way out, essentially fight a rearguard action down to
Speaker 1: South Africa where you'll leave and just burn but you know,
Speaker 1: fill up, put concrete in every toilet, rip up every street,
Speaker 1: leave nothing for the Africans. But what happens is they
Speaker 1: agree to have an election, a one man, one vote
Speaker 1: style election the Brits had been pushing for from the
Speaker 1: very very beginning. Well, how do communists operate elections here
Speaker 1: in the United States of America? How'd that twenty twenty
Speaker 1: election go? How do you think Robert Mugabi and his
Speaker 1: political party, how exactly do you think they're going to
Speaker 1: handle an election in Rhodesia. Yeah, let me go ahead
Speaker 1: and spoil it for you, Robert Mugaby with some uh
Speaker 1: shady dealings, if you will takes power in Rhodesia. Now
Speaker 1: we'll just do a couple more sentences on this, thirty
Speaker 1: more seconds, because I think you already know how it goes.
Speaker 1: From here. It doesn't go very well. All right, hang on,
Speaker 1: what is the Jesse Kelisha, Oh, final segment of the
Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show on this hour. Don't worry, we still
Speaker 1: have an entire other hour. It's just going to be
Speaker 1: our final segment on the Rhodesian Bush War. Fast forward.
Speaker 1: We finally have peace in Rhodesia. Peace doesn't go very well.
Speaker 1: Robert Mugabe and his communists take over the government. Now
Speaker 1: I need to clarify. I said there were a couple
Speaker 1: different plans. The Europeans had. One of those plans actually
Speaker 1: involved now performing a military coup and killing them all.
Speaker 1: But they decided to set those plans aside and they
Speaker 1: walked away. But not all Europeans walked away. And I know,
Speaker 1: given what we're going to know here in a moment,
Speaker 1: that probably sounds bonkers. Hey, some angry communists, some murderous time,
Speaker 1: it just took over. Why would you stay? Let's remember
Speaker 1: these are real people, And let's remember you might be
Speaker 1: on your third generation in your family fall in Rhodesia.
Speaker 1: Maybe your grandfather came here eighty years ago. It's easy
Speaker 1: looking back down. It's easy for you, it's easy for
Speaker 1: me to say, hey, you got to get out. That
Speaker 1: may be everything you have it maybe everything you've ever known.
Speaker 1: I mean, you might be fifty five years old. What
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Go start over. A lot of
Speaker 1: Europeans chose to stay, and Robert Mugabi, who understood the
Speaker 1: world was watching him now, initially tried to play it
Speaker 1: off as if he was just going to be a
Speaker 1: pretty fair guy. Still allowed a few Europeans to be
Speaker 1: represented in the government, didn't immediately start the purges. But
Speaker 1: he's a communist. What do communists do with power? Do
Speaker 1: you think they're different than our than our communists? What
Speaker 1: do they do? They do two things. They reward their
Speaker 1: friends and they punish their enemies. Robert Mugabi begins to
Speaker 1: fill up the government met with committed communists. Robert Mugabi
Speaker 1: also he believes he has two sets of enemies in
Speaker 1: the country, not just the white Europeans. Remember those Soviet
Speaker 1: backed gorillas, the Soviet back terrorists. Remember how they were
Speaker 1: from a different tribe than Mugabi. Mugabi starts to get
Speaker 1: a little bit stronger in his rhetoric of these people
Speaker 1: are the enemy. These people are the reason things aren't
Speaker 1: working well, because of course, surprise, surprise, things start to
Speaker 1: fall apart. The second you hand the country to the communists.
Speaker 1: Robert Mugabi starts to genocide the opposing tribe. Robert Mugabi
Speaker 1: starts to do things like this. Farmer farmer or white
Speaker 1: European farmer is well aware that white European farms have
Speaker 1: been attacked, few of them lately. Anyway, farmer feels that
Speaker 1: his family may be in danger. He may be in danger,
Speaker 1: so he sends his wife and children into town, into
Speaker 1: Salisbury or somewhere like that, where he thinks they'll be safe.
Speaker 1: And then he wakes up one night to find his
Speaker 1: home is surrounded by gangs with machetes and axes, gangs
Speaker 1: that have been sent there by Robert Mugabi. He calls
Speaker 1: his mother, tells mom what's happening, essentially tells her goodbye.
Speaker 1: His mother, as any mother would, hangs up the phone
Speaker 1: a bit distraught and calls the police. Except who do
Speaker 1: you think controls the police? Now? In what is now Zimbabwe?
Speaker 1: Who do you think controls the police? Remember what happens
Speaker 1: in our big cities now with these big city police chiefs.
Speaker 1: The police don't even answer the phone. That man ends
Speaker 1: up being hacked to death, shot to death inside of
Speaker 1: his home. This became an extremely common tale as Zimbabwe
Speaker 1: slowly but surely descended into what all communist countries descend into,
Speaker 1: a one party state full of torture, death, genocide, and
Speaker 1: now the Jewel of Africa, the wealthiest, most prosperous country
Speaker 1: in Africa, now makes the Jesse Kelly Show Crappiest Country
Speaker 1: in the World tournament. All it took was twenty thirty
Speaker 1: years of communist rule to destroy everything civilized people had built.
Speaker 1: It is an insanely fascinating tale, a sad tale, if
Speaker 1: we're being honest, isn't it sad? There are people who
Speaker 1: are passionate about Rhodesia. Keep in mind, I remember I
Speaker 1: teased yesterday that we've got a guy who was there.
Speaker 1: He's going to actually join us tomorrow. We've reached out
Speaker 1: to him courtesy of a listener of the show, actually
Speaker 1: a Navy seal listener of the show, which is really cool.
Speaker 1: Center five Brother Navy Seal listener of the show knows
Speaker 1: a veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War, and he's going
Speaker 1: to join us tomorrow. Probably just be a brief little thing.
Speaker 1: I just want to touch base with him on it.
Speaker 1: I want, I want to hear from him. I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to him yet. Jewish producer Chris As I haven't.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to him. We'll just get his
Speaker 1: perspective on it. But are there are Rhodesians, many of
Speaker 1: them still alive today, who remember it and it is
Speaker 1: such a point of sorrow. And there are people who
Speaker 1: are just passionate about it, who think about it, and
Speaker 1: it's just such a point of sorrow. And I really
Speaker 1: thought it would be an appropriate lesson for where we
Speaker 1: are and what happens if you don't stop communist insurgents
Speaker 1: from taking over your country, from occupying the positions of power,
Speaker 1: they will bring nothing but death and misery in the end.
Speaker 1: And who is better off? Now? Who's better off? I'd
Speaker 1: love to ask the United Nations and Britain, in all
Speaker 1: these countries that helped doom Rhodesia, are you proud of
Speaker 1: yourself right now? There was a wonderful place, not just
Speaker 1: for white Europeans, for Black Africans, employment, civilization, modern medicine,
Speaker 1: and you had to rip it away from them with
Speaker 1: your race activism, and now people starve to death, regularly
Speaker 1: living below the poverty line, hospitals that don't have any medicine.
Speaker 1: That's what happens. A very very sad tale, but a
Speaker 1: very fascinating tale. And like I said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: we're going to get back to politics now. Like I
Speaker 1: said in the beginning, if this fascinates you, and according
Speaker 1: to your emails, it most certainly does. If this fascinate you,
Speaker 1: go pick up a book on it, an audiobook on it.
Speaker 1: I mentioned a couple books that I read just because
Speaker 1: they were my favorites. But there are so many. There
Speaker 1: are fascinating YouTube channels. People have done podcasts with these veterans.
Speaker 1: You can go so much more in depth than I
Speaker 1: went into. I gave you the thirty thousand foot view.
Speaker 1: If this war, If this conflict fascinates you, look into it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even go into all the mercenaries that came
Speaker 1: over and fought with them, including Americans, Vietnam veterans, all
Speaker 1: kinds of people fascinating. Anyway, let's talk about a healthcare problem.
Speaker 1: We may have some emails letting juveniles out of prison
Speaker 1: and more. Thanks