WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.080 All right, So I'm glad actually that all of these 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:07.559 Roman Catholics are in a tizzy over the obvious massive 3 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:12.759 failure of Tim Fordan in the debate. First of all, 4 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.079 all three of us were loud and interrupted, and these 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.519 hippocrites ack like I was the only one that was 6 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:22.800 loud and interrupted, which is just a ridiculous double standard. 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:29.000 Everybody did it, including Temple. It was an informal debate. Obviously, 8 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:32.560 people lie and act like I've never done formal debates, 9 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:35.960 that there aren't civil formal debates. There are dozens of them. 10 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:42.280 But we also do the uncivil informal blood sports style 11 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:46.000 as well. And so what amazes me is just the 12 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:51.960 consistent just gas lighting and lying that Roman Catholics do 13 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:58.520 no matter what. They're actually incapable of reading comprehension, of 14 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.399 just basic honesty about any of the topics that come up. 15 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:09.359 And just like a bunch of feminists or women on 16 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:12.879 the internet, the only thing that they care about is 17 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.959 the optics, how it makes them feel and who hurts 18 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:19.599 their feelies or whatever. It's nothing to do with the content. 19 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:22.920 None of these people will actually stick to the content. 20 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.400 And then anytime you invite them to come discuss, they 21 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.280 whine and complain as if you're mean, which, by the way, 22 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:35.079 is a self like gay as hell to complain. But 23 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.719 beyond that, it's not true that you don't get a 24 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.560 chance or an opportunity to come make your case. You 25 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:45.840 only get interrupted when you don't make arguments, and when 26 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:52.719 you shift into various fallacies or various straw men. That's it. 27 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:58.439 It's pretty easy. We have atheists, Muslims, Protestants, Catholics they 28 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.879 call in all the time. I've done so for years. 29 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.640 If you could just simply coherently make an argument, it's 30 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:09.159 very easy to make your case here, and I welcome it. 31 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.400 I offer it all the time. And what's funny is, 32 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:16.680 out of ten reven cathoy shit talkers, none of them 33 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.719 will actually come debate their arguments. All they want to 34 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:24.319 do is debate your debating, debate your meanness, your style, 35 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:26.960 or what you did bad. Now you'll notice too, that 36 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:32.039 any moral qualm they have about me, when they pile on, 37 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:37.120 they let loose ten times more venom than I letless 38 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.199 in any of these conversations. But it's okay for them 39 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:43.439 to do it, but not for me. So it's all 40 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:49.080 just insane levels of democracy, idiocy, childishness, stupidity, and that 41 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:56.039 it just never ends. So let's get to the actual issues. Kevin. Kevin, 42 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:00.599 when you commented, you commented to me about what Vatican 43 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.000 two says about Hindus, and I replied to that, and 44 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:07.159 then you said all this other stuff about Muslims, which 45 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:09.000 I never even replied to. I didn't even listen or 46 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.159 look at any of your comments about Islam. So why 47 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.400 did you then lie as if I deflected and I 48 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.479 was misleading people. That's why I blocked you, is because 49 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.639 it's a total dishonesty. I made one reply to one 50 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:28.680 of your comments, gotta I'm me and Kevin. 51 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:32.479 Yeah, I didn't lie. I'm not really sure what you're 52 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:36.719 talking about. I said, Vaticant two does not say Hindus 53 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:38.360 worship the same God or. 54 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:38.800 The one Truth. 55 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:41.919 And I did I reply to that. You did reply 56 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.240 to that, okay, And so that was it, right? 57 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:44.800 Yeah? 58 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:47.800 That was one post and then I reposted or whatever 59 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.560 you yeah, quote what Twitter calls it. I quoted a 60 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.560 second post. This one was not about hindu it was 61 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:57.280 about Muslims. And then I made an argument from Romans one. 62 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:01.560 You commented about Hindu use again, so that was a 63 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:02.479 totally different context. 64 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:07.240 But I was obviously still replying to the original comment 65 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.840 because I'm talking about Hinduism. 66 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.439 Pretty it wasn't pretty obvious. It was not obvious from 67 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:11.800 you at all. 68 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:14.360 If I'm talking about if I'm talking about Hinduism, is 69 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.879 it not obvious that I'm still talking about that post? 70 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:19.759 It's not. I mean the post the second post was about. 71 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:21.680 I mean, if I'm going to respond to somebody, I'm 72 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:22.920 not gonna respond to them about something. 73 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:27.720 Does Vatican does Vatican who actually say that? Say what? 74 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.600 Your first comment was that Vatican. 75 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.879 Two doesn't say that, right, it does not say what. 76 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:38.079 It does not say what my original comment said about 77 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.519 throwing Hindus into the mix. That's right. They do not. 78 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:43.199 They do not worship the same God. 79 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.240 And yet what term does Vatican two use in no 80 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.920 sat It says they. You do read it. 81 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.560 I'm carrying my my daughter me read it. 82 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:55.480 You can't. You don't know what it says. 83 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.000 I don't want to butcher it says. 84 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:02.560 It says they. Finally they in Hinduism they value the 85 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.519 moral life and worship God. Excuse me, let excuse me, 86 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:07.279 that's the uh, let me go back up. That's the 87 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:21.920 Muslim comment, it says, let me pull it up. I 88 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:35.560 got a different spot. That was the wrong comment. Okay, 89 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.279 here it is. I'll read the whole section, so you 90 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:47.879 know with the context. I thinks it says thus in Hinduism, 91 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.920 so we're talking about in the religion, men contemplate the 92 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.800 divine mystery and express it through an exhaustible abundance of 93 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.879 myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom for 94 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.160 the anguish of our human condition, either through asthetic practices 95 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:09.480 or profound meditation, or a flight to God with love 96 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:10.079 and trust. 97 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.680 Is that the same thing it says about Muslims that 98 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:16.920 they worship the One True God? 99 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.360 Does it? What's what? What? When it's uh? What does 100 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.199 this say about God? What? What does it? 101 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:27.199 Does it use the proper it does? Does that mean 102 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.240 it's the one True God? What? 103 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:29.439 What? 104 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:30.279 Which one is? It? 105 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:31.759 Does that mean it's the one True? 106 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:34.720 How many gods? How many gods do you believe in? 107 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:35.920 How many do you capitalize? 108 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:37.920 Well, the Hindus believe in many gods. 109 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:39.519 How many do you capitalize? 110 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.040 I mean I only talk about one usually, but. 111 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:45.160 How many do you capitalize? 112 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.279 You're falsely inferring that because do you capitalize? 113 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.959 I think you're falsely in capital you're. 114 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:55.000 So, how many gods are there that you capitalize? Anybody? 115 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.199 The ones that you believe in? Right? Right? 116 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.120 But I think you're falsely assuming they're That means is 117 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:01.720 that they're worship the One True God. 118 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:04.639 Why is it capitalized? You liar? 119 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.839 I'm not lying, Jay, Why is it capitalized? 120 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:14.319 I don't know. You don't know exactly, I don't know. Well, yeah, 121 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:14.920 you don't know. 122 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:16.399 Well, I mean I can make a property, I can 123 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.360 make a proper guest without jump into conclusions that that 124 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.079 they worship the same God as you know Muslims, or 125 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:24.000 as Christians or as. 126 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.079 So you think Muslims, you think Muslims and Christians do 127 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:27.879 worship the same God? 128 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:29.800 Of course that's what the document says, Jay. 129 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.399 Yeah, exactly, thank you. So it's not what Tim Gordon said. 130 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.879 Right, I'm not aware of anything. I don't follow Tim Gordon. 131 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:38.800 I have no idea what. 132 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:43.399 Okay, right, Muslims and Christians worship the same God when 133 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.680 Muslims don't acknowledge the Trinity? 134 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:47.720 But why are you changing topics? Let's stick to the 135 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:48.680 Hindu So. 136 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.680 You don't want to go there were brought up Muslims. 137 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:52.680 We're gonna go. We're gonna go. 138 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:54.399 We haven't finished hind. 139 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:56.240 You brought them up because you just said you don't 140 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.000 know why it's capital g. Now we're going to go 141 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.639 to your other argument because you don't know. So tell 142 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:02.680 me how do Muslims worship the once your God when 143 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.160 they don't believe in Christ or the Trinity? 144 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:06.240 Talking about Hindu? 145 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:08.079 All right, so this is why this is what you 146 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.920 guys do. You just said, you just said about the 147 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:16.279 Hindu you don't know. You said, I don't know, you, bro? 148 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:17.360 Did you say I don't know? 149 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:20.800 Yeah, I can't. I can't read into the end why 150 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:22.360 they capitalize the words in God? 151 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.560 And you don't know. So we're gonna move on. And 152 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.560 you lost that point, We're gonna move on. 153 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:30.319 I haven't lost any point. 154 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:30.959 You still have. 155 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:38.320 I don't know you still your argument? Argument is you're done, dude. 156 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.960 This is why you're a liar. You're a liar. Get 157 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:44.080 out of here. That's why these people are discussing liars. 158 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.919 It's Brosey and you noticed he would not go to 159 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.919 the Muslim argument. It's exactly how this is gonna I 160 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:53.879 told you. So this is what these people do. They 161 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:57.440 make a big stink. They don't even actually have any 162 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:01.639 capability of dealing with the argument. It's all that I'm bad. 163 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.159 And then when we get to the argument, they lose 164 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.480 and they flounder and they don't know and they don't 165 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:12.399 want to talk about it because they're dishonest. That's my point. 166 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:18.320 Go ahead, h browser, it was going on, Jae, Can 167 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:19.799 you hear me? Yep? 168 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.279 All right, cool, Yeah, it's gonna be quick, man. I 169 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:27.120 just wanted to say, you know, just with this, this 170 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.399 small bit of engagement I've been doing with these guys 171 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.559 for the past I don't know, like a couple of months. 172 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.840 I genuinely I don't understand how you're still doing this 173 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:36.360 ship man. 174 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:37.480 It's that. 175 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.279 Do you remember earlier that that guy under one of 176 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.600 your posts that I called out for that for that too, Kokoy? 177 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:48.960 Absolutely yes, yeah, so so he did. He took a 178 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.720 while to reply. Once I saw that he did reply, 179 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.559 he completely ignored what it was that I was saying 180 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.000 in the reply, So I just let it go. There 181 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:58.519 was there was no point in your reply. And then 182 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.000 he went to then he went to my page and 183 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:04.799 then he uh he he left the reply under under 184 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.440 the picture that I shared of yours, saying that you 185 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:11.639 would smoke you were smoking Aiden and Tim in the debate, 186 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:13.919 and I was just from a couple of days ago 187 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.240 when he said something and he completely ignored what I 188 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:21.480 said regarding the different ecclesiologies again, and he asked me, 189 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:24.759 he said, uh, he he brought up something that, you know, 190 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.159 like something that Carill has said in the past. He 191 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:31.639 brought up Bartholomew again and uh fuck, who's the last 192 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.519 patriarch of what of John? John of Antioch? He he 193 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:40.320 brought it, He brought up three and he's he's asking me, Okay, 194 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.840 so are they accumulated? Like how do you how do 195 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.840 you completely ignore what I said under the post reply 196 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.759 to that, completely ignored again under something that under something 197 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.320 from days ago, and then leave another damn reply Like 198 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:55.759 these people are so fucking dishonest. Man. 199 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.519 That's crazy, man, It's crazy. So the thing with the 200 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.639 Orthodox patriarchs, the page is just a bishop with canonical privileges. 201 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.639 It's not some it's not a little pope like they 202 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:08.559 think that patriarchs are like many popes, and if they 203 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.480 have a patriarch saying something wrong or ritical, then it's 204 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.399 a gotcha. They're every patriarch. From the Orthodox perspective, every 205 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.000 patriarch it has had has had heterodox patriarchs at some point. 206 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.720 They've all fallen into heresy, including Rome, including the ep 207 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.639 in any of them. So for us, it's not a 208 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:31.679 defeater if there's a heretic patriarch who falls away, or 209 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.120 if there's one even that says something heretical. Now, another 210 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:38.120 point that should be made is that our ecclesiology candon 211 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.679 law is different. So the methods about how the Orthodox 212 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.120 Church goes about dealing with heresy at that level, it's 213 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.559 not the same as the methods that Roman Catholics have 214 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:51.000 and how they view the relationship of Candilaw to the Church. So, 215 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:55.399 for example, if a patriarch commits error or heresy, schism, whatever, 216 00:11:55.440 --> 00:12:00.840 and he continues in that, there's phases too can procedure 217 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:04.360 in the Orthodox view, So eventually, after removal from communion 218 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:08.879 there's a sonodal excommunication, the rest of the Orthodox laity 219 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:13.879 are not bound morally and to be expected to remove 220 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:17.559 themselves from communing with that person until there is a 221 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:22.279 sonodal pronouncement like that. That's Orthodox ecclesiology. So when these 222 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.759 Roman Catholics are replying to us that Carol said something heterodox, 223 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.840 Carol said something wrong. I can easily say absolutely he did, 224 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.840 and it's just as wrong as Francis. But I don't 225 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.120 have the same ecclesiology as you, and so I am 226 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.639 not bound to become a set of a contest as 227 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.519 an Orthodox person like you would be bound as a 228 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:44.960 Roman Catholic to become set of a contest if the 229 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:47.559 pope becomes a heretic er says something heretical. So all 230 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:51.960 they keep doing is just reading Papism into Orthodoxy and 231 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:55.159 acting like it's a gotcha when it's a different system. 232 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.519 Yeah, and but see the day obviously, you know, I've 233 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:02.399 heard a damn billions on the Twitter spaces where you 234 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:06.720 will explain that that verbat into somebody and say if 235 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.360 they come back on or maybe even later in the debate, 236 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.759 if it's brought up again, they'll just say that you're 237 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.440 you're using a double standard and it's a so like 238 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.720 based on what happened earlier. It's like they just don't 239 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:24.039 understand what it means to have different ecclesiology under under 240 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.559 that post. I'm not the first one I said it. 241 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.000 I say that one more time. 242 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.759 Jay thieve of it. 243 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:42.919 Hold on, Jay, say that one more time. My connection 244 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:43.320 went out. 245 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.000 No, it's my connection. I said. They just can't literally 246 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.200 can't conceive of it because they don't think in terms 247 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:51.240 of different systems. Yeah, exactly. 248 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.840 So I'm not the first one that said anything about 249 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:57.159 ecclesiology under that post, but he ignored it. 250 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:58.200 When I said that. 251 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.960 Every I went I went back maybe about like an 252 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.440 hour after his reply, just to check and see how 253 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.080 dishonesty was being every other every other person. And there's 254 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:08.720 a guy Henry I don't I don't know if you 255 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.919 follow him, but I mean, you know, a lot of 256 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:13.360 a lot of other ortho guys following them whatever, he's 257 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.840 the first one that said something about it. He did 258 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:17.879 not want to engage with him. And I guess I see, 259 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.840 I see now why, I see why now I don't 260 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.879 I don't see how you're still doing this, ship man. Yeah, yeah, 261 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.000 I don't get it. These like this level of dishonesty 262 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.279 I've just seen just today, just today under you know, 263 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:36.879 like under like with Vain. I see Vain is in here, 264 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:39.000 you know, him replying him replying to some of these 265 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:42.679 motherfuckers under your post, man, is it's madness. I just 266 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:47.240 don't understand how you can how they can't understand it. 267 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:51.000 It's like it's basically just an internal critique and they 268 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:52.919 just don't know how to do that. They just they 269 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.960 just see it as any any critique, you're giving them 270 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:56.879 a double standard. 271 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.279 Instantly, they just they just a man. 272 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:03.159 Like, yeah, well you have problems. You have problems too, 273 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.600 at doak P. Notice how like only one of all 274 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:10.639 of them even came. 275 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:20.840 Okay, Jay, I just wanted to so obviously, I know 276 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:26.159 this whole discussion is with Catholics Muslims, and they called 277 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.080 they worship right I always. I know you've previously said 278 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:34.600 that Catholics and Orthodox on what should have seen God either. 279 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:39.759 So would that be a contradiction within the Catholic system 280 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.399 to say we should have same God as he? 281 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.000 Would it be a contradiction within the Catholic system for 282 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.600 a Catholic to say that he worships the same God 283 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:55.799 as the Orthodox? Yeah? Oh uh, Well, I just think 284 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:01.759 the Catholic system is just basically entirely operates on word 285 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:07.120 concept fallacies that anything that calls it's deity God is 286 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.799 therefore the same reference as the Catholic God. So when 287 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:15.200 a Hindu says that he believes in Atman or Brahman 288 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:22.279 or whatever, Oh that's God. Or when if a scientologist 289 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.480 says he believes in a first mind, oh that's God. 290 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.279 That's the same thing we believe in. So it's so 291 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:31.279 flexible and elastic that literally anything can be equated to 292 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:36.720 quote one God or the first cause or I mean, yeah, yeah, 293 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:38.720 Catholics going to say that he has the same God 294 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.679 as an Orthodox person, the same God as a Muslim, 295 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.200 the same God as as capital g of the Hindus 296 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:46.120 in Vatican two. 297 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.240 Yeah, I guess what I'm wondering is like Catholic was 298 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.799 the say, you know, Orthodox and Catholics wiship would that be? 299 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.000 You know, like always when you say Catholics and Muslims 300 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.519 wishes God. That sounds like massively cregious in one year 301 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:02.759 listening to that, but I mean would. 302 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.920 So the reason they say that is natural theology. They 303 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.359 think that there is a generic theism that is the 304 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:12.759 theism of all the world religions in some loose sense, 305 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:16.440 but a little more so the monotheistic ones they're a 306 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:19.960 little bit closer. And then supposedly Trinity is like the 307 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.640 one that's the closest of the close. So it's like 308 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:27.119 a graded scale of what of worshiping God, and that 309 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.599 doesn't exist. Like a heretic is in the same boat 310 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.759 as a pagan. Now, a heretic is not identical to 311 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.279 a pagan. They have different theological views, and certainly a 312 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:40.599 heretic is closer to an Orthodox Christian than a pagan, 313 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.039 but they're still in the same boat of being outside 314 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.000 the faith. This is what they say can't seem to 315 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:49.079 grasp and that's why their whole ecclesiology, their whole system, 316 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.319 is built on being twenty percent right, being fifty percent right, 317 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.279 being thirty percent, seventy percent Catholic, which is ludicrous even 318 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.880 in their own system, because you've got two dogmatic statements 319 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:06.519 in Roman Catholic theology that one heresy or schism or 320 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:11.599 action of apostasy literally automatically puts you outside the mystical body. 321 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:14.359 In other words, if I'm a Roman Catholic and I 322 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.039 decide I do not believe in the Immaculate Conception in 323 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.079 Catholic theology, I'm no longer Catholic. It's a packaged deal. 324 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:26.519 You can't have nine out of ten dogmas and still 325 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.400 be Catholic. This is something that they don't understand their 326 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:30.640 own system says this. 327 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:34.400 Yeah, I've overready understood the whole like you know, you know, 328 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:39.519 Orthodox have the same similar like sacraments or whatever as 329 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:43.920 the Catholic. Therefore, you know, we can receive their echerysm 330 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:45.839 just like well, they haven't got the same faith then, 331 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:50.000 so why can we What can you take you know, communion? 332 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:54.839 Yeah, that's a fair critique. I mean, if they are 333 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.279 outside communion with the Roman, see why is it still 334 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.279 quote valid? And again the all goes back to the 335 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:06.720 ex operatta ex operaparado, a sacromatology of Augustine, which the 336 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.920 Orthodox do not entire in its entirety except Foggy Mountain. 337 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.920 I want to go to Ruman Catholics to have any 338 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.519 arguments or points or if I want to try to 339 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.839 give some explanation. You can even have sixty seconds and 340 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.160 I'll be quiet if you can actually make sense of 341 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:24.759 Attican too. 342 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:28.319 Hey J, can you hear me? 343 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:29.400 Yep? 344 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.079 Hey J, thanks for having me on. Just this is 345 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.160 my first time on. I just wanted to say, I 346 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.160 think this all just sounds like relativism. To be honest, 347 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:41.480 it just sounds like. 348 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:43.680 Of course it is. That's what I'm saying, Like, it's 349 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:48.440 it's it works to the to their cause for numbers 350 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:56.200 to act like every you know, generic usage of the 351 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.680 word God is referring to the same thing, and so 352 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:01.960 we're all talking about God. It must be the same God. 353 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:07.039 It's just religious syncretism, just in a different way. Yeah, 354 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:11.440 So I think they're just lost, you know, like maybe that's. 355 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.640 Why they don't that's what that's why. How how could 356 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:18.000 Erica Bara imagine spending all these years in Roman Catholicism 357 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.319 and papal lawyering and you don't even know that Muslims 358 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.880 and Christians and Jews don't worship the same deity. So 359 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:31.279 it's gotten him absolutely nothing. This is why Roman Catholicism 360 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:38.160 is a problem, because it leads you into spiritual delusion, contradiction, chaos, 361 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.559 and idolatry. That's one and all of the madness of 362 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:49.759 these people demonstrates that point against it. It's a system 363 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:54.200 that will drive you insane and drive you away from Christ. 364 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:58.599 It's a religion of dead works because it's all nonsense. 365 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:00.920 At the end of the day, it's all trying to 366 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:05.759 make this stupid papal thing work and the only thing 367 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:07.640 that matters in the religion is the papercy at the 368 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:18.759 end of the day. Felix, what's up, hija? 369 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:19.480 Can you hear me? 370 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:22.440 Yeah, it's actually my first time. 371 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:27.400 Also, I just wanted to add some thoughts that you 372 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.559 like said earlier. And the guy earlier said that the 373 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:36.839 thing about this like one monotoism that's like seventy percent correct, 374 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.599 like fifty percent correct sort of person correct, it's actually 375 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:40.480 a Muslim idea. 376 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:42.359 It's like Muslim idea absolutely. 377 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:46.160 It's because believe Mostlims believe in natural theology, just like running. 378 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:49.240 Yeah, and like the way that second two adapted to 379 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:51.799 some kind of Jewish doctrines and they actually use some 380 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.480 kind of rabbis to write second two. Maybe they use 381 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:57.240 some kind of Muslim scholars to adapt this thing also, 382 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.240 And I just want I just wanted to add one 383 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.279 more thing that Muslims, like modern Muslims or do this 384 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.880 in some kind of Southeast Asian countries, for example, in Indonesia, 385 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:13.680 is actually made some kind of syncretic redision between like 386 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:19.400 Islam and Buddhism and the Hinduism where they made all 387 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.880 the hindu Jitis into one God. And it's like, well, 388 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:28.319 technically only one God and all the other like Vish 389 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.359 New Brass mind other like Ditis, are just like his. 390 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:33.799 Advotars, so they are also correct exactly. 391 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.799 It's like this is a this is a version of perennialism. 392 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.240 And this is why Roman Catholics like Neoplatonism, because Neoplatonism 393 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.640 knows the exact same things with God as manifestations of 394 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:47.039 the principle of the One the monad. It's the exact 395 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.680 same move that they all make. And by the way, 396 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.000 this is the whole reason why they do patro mama. 397 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:55.400 All of the people fussing about patcha Mama, what's in 398 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.319 consisted with patcha Mama and the reasoning of Vatican too. 399 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:02.480 If God can be manifested in Hinduism, why can't he 400 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.960 be manifested as Pacha Mama. Why not just say Pacha 401 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.400