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Speaker 1: Hellllo, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to a review for

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Batman the Caped Crusader. I am the clown Prince of

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podcast trust now and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: You know how long I have been waiting for this.

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Speaker 1: Still everything works, it works. No, it's good anytime for

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Batman that works. But yes, Lesiam, we are here to

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review Batman the Cape Crusader a little late because we

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did at nine hour stream the other day. Go check

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that out. Lots of those podcasts and everything's gonna be on

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the feeds the next coming weeks. Just got hit them.

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But again, a big thank you for being able to

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check those out and on the feeds right now. Me

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and the wrestling guys just reviewed SummerSlam and then we

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just reviewed the House of Dragon season two finale. So

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that's a big, three big reviews happening in a span

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of twenty four hours. But that's what we do here

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at geek First. But this is one that's very, at

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least for myself, anticipating, and I think this was anticipated

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once Kirkland saw that trailer. I would agree that yeah,

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because we never we never announced it. We wanted to

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be ran a time, not that's a sequel, but we

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want to do a similar thing of watching the original

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Batman animated series before this. But once it was confirmed

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that this in ninety seven, where the or X ninety

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seven are the same year, it's okay, we'll choose one

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the other and X men happen and then that's just life, right.

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So I think at some point in the future we

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will do that. I'm hoping, uh, who knows, maybe the

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batmanbe twenty twenty six, when the Batman comes out, that

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might be a good time to dip our toes in

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some bat Universe stuff. But so one day. But luckily

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it ended up being not so much like a sequel,

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just a spiritual successor so it's not like you had

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to watch anything or whatnot. So you can go in

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this cold. We're gonna give our overall thoughts, non spoil reviews,

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and then we'll get in to spoys. We're gonna kind

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of go episode by episode, not a full breakdown every episode,

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but just kind of use that as our guide because

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it's it's the show is like it has it's like

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a oh God, it's a procedural in a way where

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it's always like a new crime, new film, but there's

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still like some through line through the show, so that's

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where we'll kind of use that as we're going along.

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But yeah, this show, i'd have to look. I think

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it was announced the same year that Batman came out,

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Matt Reeves was a producer, and obviously JJ one of

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the only things JJ helped executive produced over there at

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his time at Warner Brothers. But yeah, this has been

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a long time in the making. Lots of Batman fans excited.

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So kirklar Miss start with you. As far as you

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didn't see Batman animated series, this is I know we've

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probably told about other Batman, a lego Batman, this and that,

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but this is like a more serious take of send

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the forties, a very detective style, kind of very noir type.

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It's not black and white, but it may as well

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be at times. It has that feel, very different style.

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So what was your thoughts on all episodes the entire

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season one of Caped Crusader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, you know, I got some I got

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some decent history with Batman. Oh like just mostly the movies.

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Speaker 1: I talking too much.

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Speaker 2: Did a cast with them? Actually did the the Game

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of Throw or The House the Dragon Finance.

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Speaker 1: Almost had him on this one. Wouldn't do it. He

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wouldn't do it. Oh, by the way, wait before he continue,

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I have to do answer to the cliffhanger that we

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gave the House Dragon fans.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's Taylor's.

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Speaker 1: So Taylor was originally gonna be on this, and this

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is why I gave up on him, because he's also

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very busy the twenty twelve Golden Geeks peeled to choose things.

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But anyway, so we're at the beach today, kirkann make

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because he's working on his house. So Tip's talking to me.

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He's like, oh, have you I don't know what it's called,

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but something, gentlemen, you've seen that movie preview with Henry

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Cavill and Alan Rickman. It's like a Richmond It's like

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a bunch of Jack guys and they're on it like

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it's a spy guy Richie movie in a way or

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anything like I think you'd see it. But anyway, so

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it came out earlier this year and it's on Amazon,

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and because I've been watching, I don't know, maybe because

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back in keep Ersader they kept previewing and other times

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it was Amazon kept previewing, like, all, this movie is

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coming out this week this Friday on Amazon. Say it's like, oh,

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have you seen, uh, you know, this movie whatever, The Gentleman,

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even watching that. He's, oh, you know, just I think

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it's on Amazon or something like that. Oh, so why

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aren't you watching The Batman. Oh yeah, I'm gonna get it.

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I'm gonna get to it. So literally this morning he

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threw on a movie on Amazon that just premiered and

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not The Batman. So it's like, I don't trust when

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Speaker 2: Have been similar runtime too, to like the whole show,

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that way, it's just two movies. It's an easy watch.

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he knew that. I knew it was on Amazon, but

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to Amazon on Fridays. So I was like, I can't

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trust this man and make it. So maybe we'll hear

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his thoughts in the future.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, maybe one day, but yeah, I got

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some history with Batman, mostly like the movies when I

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was younger, and then like I I probably had seen

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like an episode or two of the animated series Batman.

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fits like very iconic, and then of course like some

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Justice League episodes. But like back then, I never really

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watched it like week to week to like follow a story.

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the adventure for that week. So this would have been

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the first time I actually experienced like a like a series,

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especially just coming off of like the Batinson movie with

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Matt Reeves. The knowing that he's an executive producer on

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this one would have got me somewhat excited, but I

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didn't really have like a lot of nostalgia for it.

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and yeah, definitely got me hyped. And this show man,

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is just like such a fantastic Batman story to even

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just start like your Batman adventure, like like it. It

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shows a lot of like kind of origin stuff with

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with Bruce Wayne, like you got the classic flashback you

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get with almost every Batman story, but it's not like

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that is the story. It's just like that this this

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this big cloud that sticks with him, which is a

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big character moment, So it makes sense why they had

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had it there. But even just introducing certain characters, it

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was cool to have some characters already kind of have

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a presence in the universe that that was felt. But

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like their inception into that world and the origin of it.

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like the city itself. There's not really any one villain

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that is like, Okay, that's the main boss of this show.

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and the corruption, and there's a lot of like goons

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felt throughout this but they still feel dangerous, They still

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feel like they have a major grip on the city

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and like Batman can't just solve that problem. And I

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live action Batman adventures and some comic runs that we

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went through with comic book versions. Hopefully return to that

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Speaker 1: Got you juice them for some Batman comics.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now I am like just just paired up with

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all of our villains and even just the different versions

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of villains that they had in here.

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I know which one. There's one in particular I should

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actually look up. I'm sure it's based on There's one

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that I'll say it's the Blue villain that is like

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one that's like fall. I don't think it's been used

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for quite a while. But the one of the Carnival.

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but I think they are all like, hey, let's use

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this character. But I'll get some Wikipedia ready for that

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one particular, because I was like Gweno's asking, I'm like,

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not when say Adams, but you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, because that's what I was gonna say, Like,

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run of that character, it just was such like a

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versions that I've seen her portray in the past, but

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in the show was was really really interesting for me.

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where like it it really like every version of Alfred

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and the Wayne dynamic that I've seen. They're like family

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and they are family, but like they just like Bruce

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never really sees him as like like a servant, I

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at him it's like dude, Like I'm not paraphrasing, but

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like don't question me, like you are my like I'm

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your boss, and you know, it's that moment at the

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like I mean, I'm I'm I know somewhat of your

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for it, But just being like a Batman fan, like

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think it's a fantastic telling of a Batman story, and

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start of like recommending someone like a Batman story, if

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for just more of him? And definitely I would recommend

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this show because the vibe too, like the setting fits

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think that's always just them being scared, right, and that's why.

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in general, And I think that could be a place

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where it thrives because that it might be better on

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a smaller scale for people, because maybe the general allience

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do I need like a nineteen forty It's like, ultimately,

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even the outfit what, right, it's the big long ears.

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But like it's a batsymbol on his chest. That's not

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the symbol. So it's like it's a suit but it's

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and it is close to the Batman and made series

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where it is like I don't know what would it be.

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It's not uh, it's not codner skin. I can't remember

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what it would be. I guess it's just tights. But

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there's a different word for it. But it is not

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an armored suit, right, It's just cloth. It's just cloth, Yeah, exactly.

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you know, so, but yeah, yes, my thoughts as a

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hardcore fan fucking hate it. It was just so I

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was very characters. Yeah, I look what they did the

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Harley Quinn. There's no joker with her? Could you? It's

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so woke. I can't believe that there's women kiss this.

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Speaker 1: I think one that was surprised. One thing that surprised

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me was it was more mature. It's not like Radar,

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but it was still more mature than I thought, and

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they said it was gonna be. But I feel like

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you hear that all the time. I go, it's you know,

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it's a little more adult now. But it's like they

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are dropping some cuss words if you have kids. In

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episode one, it's not like a big deal, but they

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do talk about a certain Christmas character and talk about

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the the factualness of that character. And luckily my kids

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I think didn't under like went over their heads. But

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I still was like, oh no, like it's gonna be

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the little show. Maybe I gotta be careful here. But

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so it is more it feels similar to ninety seven,

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where it's it's made for the age group of ninety

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three that grew up on Batman. But it's like, okay,

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now you need something a little bit older because you're

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older now, right, So I think they hit that. I

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think the time period fits because it is more of

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that gangster aesthetic. Even though I'm surprised, especially it's say

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in the back half of the season, how comic Bookie

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they got because I out for one to five. It's

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pretty similar to like The Batman or Nolan's Batman's where

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it's like, okay, this is Batman in a real world.

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could relatively see happening, right. People could put on these

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costumes X, Y and Z. Then they will get to

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there's episode where they just go right out the window

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and the whole time Gwen was talking to me, I'm like, no,

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I don't think it's going that round, and it's like,

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oh no, we are just going that route. Like I

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was very and they it's very nonchalant. It's not like

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my world's changed. That's like, well, I guess I deal

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with that now. It's like, okay, that's that's Batman. You know,

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that's the classic. With prep time, He's just like I

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can take on this. So no, I loved it. I

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love the tone. Really was happy with hams Link later

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as the voice. I thought he did a great job

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of both as Bruce and Batman. I will get more

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into it in nonspoys but I love that or in spoys,

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but usually people have like there's the Wayne voice and

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the Batman voice. Which was funny was when he was

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Batman and Bruce Wayne with Alfred, it was the same voice,

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but when out in public it was a new voice.

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So it's almost like like people always say, right, his

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real face is the mask and Bruce Wayne, or his

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real face is the Batman mask and his true mass

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was Bruce Wayne. So he felt like it was a

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I really like that choice of any time he's Bruce

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Wayne in public, he had like a fake voice, where

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when he was Batman and Bruce Wayne in private, they

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were kind of the same voice because people wouldn't hear

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him naturally talk in like a more darker, deeper, gravelly tone.

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And yeah, this is he definitely feels a bit more

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like the not exactly Matt Reeves Batman as far as

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like the the you know, the emo lone wolfness, because

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he is in public he is the billionaire, but when

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he's alone he feels much more direct and like, yeah,

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you're talking about Elfred. There's even like a flashback to

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him as a child, and he's a scary child Bruce Wayne,

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like he comes off as very threatening and I won't

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say a loose cannon, but also still in a way

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where because you know he's a code, you know he's

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out there for justice, but he just feels a bit

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more pessimistic. And Batman is always pessimistic, but even to

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the m degree, like I don't think this is a

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Batman Like how at the end of Batman passes like, oh,

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it's he learns about hope, right, I don't think this

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Batman has learned that. Yeah, And that's like a pause

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of you. I think he's still this is still also

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in the early days. I don't think they really give

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a time frame of how long Batman's been around. But

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he's still like a urban myth when this show starts

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that people don't know of him. So I love everything.

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I love the score. I love the title credit sequences.

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I wish it had a better like theme song, like

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that's one thing about the ninety show it has like that,

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like it has like there's just something to where I

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love the look of the title sequence, but it doesn't

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have a catchy tune. But the score overall just great

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kind of vibes. It's perfect in there. Visuals for like

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the most part are good. I think there's sometimes it

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it's not exactly, but it gets close to archerisms, and

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I don't I'm not a big fan of Archer So

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that's where like sometimes like they give them certain line

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aesthetics and I'm like, yeah, I don't love that, but

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it also still kind of fits with the old timey look.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I like the color usage.

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I think Batman looks fantastic, and a lot of the

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villains as well, but some of the drawing of certain

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characters they I don't know, it sounds harsh, but like

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I don't want to say lazy, but like it just

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seems it's pretty simple, you know, compared to some other

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animations SOTU that I've seen, Like I think it's blocky,

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like yeah, some people in suits look massive, like that Montoya,

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I think that's her name, Detect. She looks huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's kind of similar to Peeple,

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like that comparison with Invincible or sometimes that show looks

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really good and then sometimes it just looks kind of cheap.

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And as I do think the show at times looks

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like that, not the whole time, but overall, like I've

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minor and with this whole story with like, I love

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what they did with all the characters. I think the

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characters they chose, I think it's a good mix of

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classic characters, classic characters with a spin or new care

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not new, but characters that are not like they haven't

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been seen in a Batman non comic thing in years.

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Like one of the characters I won't spoil, like I

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don't mind spoil, but it's like Nocturna, who that's the

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little girl in the carnival episode. I think I've seen

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her because as I see a picture of her, she's

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an older woman's skin tight leather with the cleavage. So

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I'm like, I think I've seen this character before. So

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when it's a little girl, haven't seen that character before.

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But that's where it's like even myself you asked me, oh,

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who's Nocturnal, I'd be like, oh, I need to think

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of that, and I probably might not even get it.

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So that's why I like that they use characters that

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I feel it's a good smart way and just we'll

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get there when we talk about the part, you know,

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the ending of this, but like this has already confirmed

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for a season two, and I think they ended in

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such a perfect way for two for not even just

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like there's an end credit sort of thing, just the

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setup of like I needed season two right now, of

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like the last few moments, like oh man, the stage

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is set for what's happening, and it doesn't feel like

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when we talk about Acolyte, where it's like, oh, this

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will feel complete to me, this feels complete, but I

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want more where other shows maybe don't have that. This

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was like the fine line of the stories complete, but

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there's more. It's not a cliffhanger. It's not like I

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don't feel justified. Of course I could get more in

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other episodes or characters, but I feel like they all

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have a good bounce in kind of a full circle moment,

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and you know, I think it matches the hype because

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this was pretty hyped going in. I think this is

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one of the best. I'd have to make a list,

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But as far as like adaptions not comic books wise,

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it could be top five because I had definitely got

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Batman task in there, I got the Batman, got the

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Dark Knight. I guess you could just say Nolan trilogy

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in general, but I think it's definitely in there. Probably

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next would be the Arkham stuff and then that, so

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it's it's up there. I think they did a phenomenal job.

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I don't know if there'll be more than season two,

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but this is a show like I could take one

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hundred episodes of just give me him with different even

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find the most b rate D level villain and just

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put it in this aesthetic of if again, if you

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like Batman as the detective, this is the show. I

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don't think it's as because it's in the forties, so

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he's not using tech. It's not like remember the Batman

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where he has the eye thing and they're putting together

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all like schematics and like oh here, put your finger here.

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It's not that it's just boots on the ground, but

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it's the vibe of a detective in the forties or

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like a blade Runner noir tail of Okay, there's a

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mystery and I gotta solve it, and I think again,

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the run times all kind of work. We talked about

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Disney Plus where they got some twenty six to twenty

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eight minute episodes and you'll never feel fulfilled where this

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all these episodes are around twenty four to twenty six minutes

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and most of them like, Yeah, I feel like they

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did a good start to finish journey, and I think

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also helps some of those storylines go throughout the show.

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All say is I won't spoiler it. I think the

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only thing I did not love in the show was

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Harvey Dent. In general, the back half of the show

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I think won me over, but I think there's some

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choices with that character. I think I know what they're

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going for, but also just the voice choice I didn't

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really like. So there's certain things were story wise, it

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wouldn't be like a ten to ten, but there's things

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that I like that. It's just it's kind of like

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the pause is very very much away the minor naggers

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as far as like maybe some animation and one character

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thing with Harvey Dan and not one, not one moment,

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just a few things they did with him.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it definitely wasn't my favorite version that I've

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seen of him, my favorite being the Dark Knight movie,

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especially just like how the event of him becoming to face,

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like what happens kind of afterwards. I feel like in

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this the event happens when he becomes two face and

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then like instantly he's just like a psycho and I'm

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just like, really like this, this is quite a jump

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I feel.

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Speaker 1: And he's Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I did like the dynamic of him kind of fighting,

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like the like the split I guess, split version of himself,

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especially like like when he's interacting with Barbara. I did

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like a lot of those moments. But I think just

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like the quick switch was not really not really something

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that I'm buying for, just like like how we get

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to there, and it's just like, really, okay, I guess

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we kind of have to just suspend whatever solid concrete

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reasoning I need to get to this point. But well,

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for him being like a mayor, a mayoral mayoral candidate,

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I thought that's a fun idea. But he still felt

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pretty slimy, which is a version of him that I

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haven't really seen other than I guess, uh, Tommy Lee.

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But by then he's like big two face already at

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that point, like he's straight up villain. So yeah, I guess.

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I guess what I can say is like, this is

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probably the first time I've experienced Harvey Dent become two

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face other than the Dark Knight version. So yeah, compared

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to that, just wasn't really that well done, but I

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don't know. I think there's probably more meat on that

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bones for that character, but at least the origin of

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it I wasn't really a big fan of. But everything

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else I think I really they really did like love

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I guess with uh, yeah, I never mind, we'll get there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's sear your ad break and then we'll just

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get write in a spoilers, So if you haven't watched it,

473
00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:13,960
go watch it. We're gonna go episode B episode, So

474
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,039
maybe if you've only seen a couple episodes you can

475
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,039
listen for it. But I think we both recommend it

476
00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:20,960
to various degrees, and definitely if you're not even Batman fan.

477
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,839
That's one where I did tell Dylan because he's like, oh,

478
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,599
I won't be on that review, won't get time for it.

479
00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:27,000
But I said, like, it's he doesn't like most Batman stuff,

480
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,599
but he liked the Batman, so I said, like, this

481
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,440
isn't exactly like that, but I think it's more of

482
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,240
that type of tone. So that's why I said, like, oh, definitely,

483
00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:36,720
I feel like if you like or Batman or you

484
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,279
just like, oh, like, even if you're the biggest fan,

485
00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:41,240
I think it is one of those shows that transcends

486
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,720
where theory is Batman content, where I go, Okay, I

487
00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:45,640
like this because I'm a Batman fan. But it's not

488
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,160
like I'm not telling Dilney has to go play Arkham Knight.

489
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:50,240
I love Arkham Night because oh, I'm a Batman fan.

490
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,680
It's great, but it's like, oh, if you've played Asylum,

491
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,960
that's probably the right route for you to go. So, uh,

492
00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,200
we'll take an ad break and then we'll be right back.

493
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: And we're back.

494
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: So let's see here.

495
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot that we had spoilers, so I

496
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,880
feel like I spoiled some things earlier. I apologize, Yeah,

497
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,359
a little on.

498
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: But that's okay, you call it. We'll get there. But uh,

499
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,000
episode one was called In Treacherous Waters, Batman finds himself

500
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,720
in the middle of the turf war between rival crime

501
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:20,240
rosses Rupert Thorn and Penguin who in a series of

502
00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:23,240
explosion rocks Gotham, which is funny or not funny. It's

503
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:26,359
fun because Rupert Thorn, he was a character created in

504
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,079
that Batman nineties animated series in the nineties, so it's

505
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,119
kind of fun where they said it's a spiritual successor

506
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,759
and he's crossed over. They've never done him in the movies.

507
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,960
He's just like a mob boss. But I thought this

508
00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:40,279
episode one was just like a good table setter, not

509
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,759
in the way of like, oh, like like prepare for

510
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,559
next episode. Just felt like here's the state of Gotham,

511
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,240
here's the people on the board, and here's your type

512
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,119
of Batman. And then plus introducing like a flipped oswald

513
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,839
like Oswaldo or Oswaldah what was its like a waldough

514
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:00,279
like a generous swap penguin. I actually kind kind of

515
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,920
liked it because the whole idea of like the Iceberg lounge,

516
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,240
this being more of like a veguus kind of party

517
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:08,799
bar instead of like a mobster's bar. It was that

518
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,000
it was like in a guise of like oh, they're

519
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,839
singing and dancing and it's on a boat, which I

520
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,799
really liked that touch, like, oh that's cool. So I

521
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:19,440
thought for episode one, like a debut, I thought this

522
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:22,079
was probably the perfect episode to do. Oh say no,

523
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,920
they probably couldn't shift around, but I just thought they

524
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,079
hit all the notes they needed for hey, this is

525
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,039
this Batman, this world.

526
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, especially giving us right out the gate like

527
00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:34,039
a very different version of a character that we have

528
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,920
a lot of experience with, especially like when they first

529
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,039
show Penguin, I guess at the start of this episode,

530
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,319
like it's just a silhouette and the glasses, and then

531
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,799
like the broom and it's like, Okay, Penguin is off

532
00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:46,759
that guy. That's what we're that's we're doing here. And

533
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:51,079
then later on it's like like the female version of Penguin,

534
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,559
like singing like a cabaret style to like these these people,

535
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,160
I like, is that like penguins sister or something like

536
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,599
like like what's this? What are they doing here? And

537
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,920
then it's like, oh no, okay, they're really changing the character. So,

538
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,200
as you said, like the table set a comment, I

539
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,200
think that's perfect a word for it, because it really

540
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,960
just shows you right out the gate, like Okay, this

541
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:15,279
is gonna be like expect different versions of villains that

542
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:20,480
we've seen before. But yeah, I like shows Gotham. It's funny,

543
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,480
I said to you Off Castle, like I didn't even

544
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:24,880
know that this was actually the forties till the second episode.

545
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,079
I feel like I just didn't clue in. It's like, Okay,

546
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,799
this is just a style, like you know, people are

547
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,680
dressing this style. And because that's how.

548
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: The nineties series was where it took place, like it

549
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,400
wasn't in the nine like they didn't specify, but it

550
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,680
was like present day. But there's a lot of like

551
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,000
things that look old school, much like that, like Burns Batman, right,

552
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,319
like those movies they take place in the eighties, but

553
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,920
they have like weird art deco and they had like

554
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,519
they on purpose, which I kind of like that they

555
00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:51,079
and I think the Batman tries to do that a

556
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,880
little bit. I like that it's like it's not really

557
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,359
specified when it could take place. I liked it when

558
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,319
there's like a little bit of modern tech, but it's

559
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:00,400
like old school. But this is definitely more okay, this

560
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,839
is the full on forties and stuff.

561
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, no cell phones or anything. So yeah, and

562
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,400
like just seeing Batman pop off, like you get the

563
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,240
classic you know, there's some crooks that are doing like

564
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,319
a shipment unload or something, and then and then the

565
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:22,480
big bat comes. And I love actually when Batman isn't

566
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,839
like established in the sense of like everyone knows who

567
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:28,519
the bad is. Like I like when it's this mysterious

568
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,400
entity out there of like they call it like a

569
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,079
thing instead of like a man. Like like, I just

570
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,839
love whenever it's it's the fear of what he is

571
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,119
that's just like really sending shivers down the spines of

572
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,000
some criminals out in Gotham. I love whenever we're in

573
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,519
that era. I think of Batman popping off, and that's

574
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:49,920
how it starts, and pretty much from start to finish

575
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,799
it is kind of that. Like obviously some of our

576
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,599
main players, like some cops and whatnot, know more about

577
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,880
him and are interacting with him more. They're not just

578
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,319
shooting right on site at least the people that are

579
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:08,240
interacting with him, like Barbara and oh my Goshim Gorton there, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

580
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,799
so yeah, no. I I think it was just a

581
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,599
great table setter and also just like showing how dark

582
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,160
we're kind of going in the show, right, like like Penguin,

583
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,000
like she kills one of her sons right like, like

584
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,839
I was a favorite. I was not expecting that to

585
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,319
happen at all, And I like too, how just like

586
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,279
that actually wasn't the one that ratted around. And then

587
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:32,079
it's like the other guy's like, you gotta help me.

588
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,759
She's just gonna find out my brother. So it's like,

589
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,920
holy fuck, like this is this is a dark show already,

590
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,720
so yeah.

591
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good mobs for stuff. And then I like

592
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,799
to get to that situation because I scrubbed through it

593
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,240
a little bit. I forgot about this, but it reminded

594
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,079
me of Batman begins when he gets the guy and

595
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:52,000
he has him in the rain, but he batgrapples the

596
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,599
guy and holds him over like the train tracks and

597
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,960
the ways of interrogating. So I think it's good one

598
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,079
showing you know how dark he is. But I did

599
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,440
like aspect of the mob of because it felt not

600
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,240
exactly like a scor says he good fell sort of thing,

601
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,839
but it has that type of vibe where you know

602
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,960
there are wise guys but can get serious. And I

603
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:15,319
like that they when Bruce Wayne is in like he's

604
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,119
at the Iceberg Lounge, so he's undercover as you know,

605
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,599
this idiot Bruce Wayne, and he falls in the water.

606
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,640
I love when he does that. Oh you know, uh,

607
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:24,960
it's not a party to fall the boat and Barbara

608
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,599
doesn't care and then says it's some other girls.

609
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,519
Speaker 2: They all like laugh, just repeats like the same line,

610
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:30,359
like right next to her.

611
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but I like that he found that and

612
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,519
he used it to get away and then the next

613
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,519
thing later that's how they used to kill that son

614
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,039
because they just throw him a suitcase and just fill

615
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:41,200
it with something and then he's gone. And uh, yeah,

616
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,480
it's just showed that she is a brutal crime boss,

617
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:46,160
like she has her sons, but they feel like they're

618
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480
more I don't know, objects of helping her out that.

619
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:54,319
I don't think there's actually much care there. So yeah

620
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,680
and yeah, no, I like Oswal though, like it's like

621
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,000
to me, it's like other than you. And then singing

622
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:01,759
wise like felt like what the penguin could have done,

623
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,400
you still could have had it as a male site

624
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,880
didn't bother me, you know. I like we also met

625
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,039
Jim Gordon and Barbara here. I liked that dynamic of

626
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,880
I don't think they're making Barbara a Backgirl superhero, so

627
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,839
it's like, what do you do. I'll make her a

628
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,680
lawyer or prosecutor, things like that gets her in the action,

629
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,160
gets her connected with their dad. So I thought that

630
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,680
was a good combo and I'm very happy in the show.

631
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000
They didn't seem to do anything romantic with him and

632
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,480
back Girl because Bruce Tim has done that before and

633
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,519
I don't like Barbara and Bruce Wayne. It's just like

634
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,200
a yucky it's a yucky thing for me, and it's

635
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,279
killing joke, killing joke. Yeah he worked on that one. Yeah,

636
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:39,400
so uh is there and yeah, I guess we got

637
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,279
we met Rupert Thorn. That was again some of the

638
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880
like I love the classic mob stuff when he shows

639
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,119
it to the party and it's like that the on

640
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880
purpose in your face kind of threatening, but it's not

641
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,119
like it's like the wink win nudge nudge forer thing.

642
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,039
I was like them mom movies. So yeah, yeah, anything

643
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:03,440
else specifically for that first episode.

644
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,839
Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't say it earlier, but I love

645
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,839
the intro to the show. I watched it every time.

646
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,519
I did not skip it once. It's just very dark

647
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,680
and very detective, like you just see him like walking

648
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,359
through like the hallway and the Eli Noir. I don't

649
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,000
know why I said Elle Noir. I guess it's a game.

650
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: I almost said that a couple I think as we

651
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,119
grew up with that game just advertise all the time.

652
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,599
Speaker 2: So the noir aesthetic of what it was, I could

653
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,519
totally believe that there'd be a black and white version

654
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,240
out there for the show. Like, I think it really

655
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,279
really fits. But yeah, great theme.

656
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, next up we have and be a villain. When

657
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,960
the when the glamorous movie start disappears, Batman and Detective

658
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,079
Montoya find themselves tangled up in a dark web of

659
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:49,480
a mysterious avenger haunting the sound stages. What do you

660
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,240
think about this because it's funny. We had talked about

661
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,200
this before where there's we don't have the villains now,

662
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680
But there was a rumor last year that Clay Face

663
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,759
was gonna be the Matt Reeves villain for Batman Part

664
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:01,599
two and everyone's like, oh, how you do that? But

665
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,440
they was like, no, same thing that we said, where

666
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,599
it's like, oh, they're doing a villain but with a

667
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,960
with a like a different version twist. And this is

668
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:11,119
the original Clay Face where he was an actor. I

669
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,279
think in that one, I think they did a combole

670
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,160
in this where his face is clay I feel like

671
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,759
with the original he was more just a master of disguise.

672
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:20,680
I don't think he could do like so I feel

673
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,720
like they kind of like comboled the two characters together.

674
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:25,160
But what do you think about this one? Because there

675
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640
was like lots of kind of fun old school Hollywood

676
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920
in this and this was like a there's a couple

677
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,559
episodesodes that like you got there. It's funny. I feel

678
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,319
like there's three division episodes. You got your fantastical episodes

679
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,880
with like possession and a ghost and supernatural stuff, and

680
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,960
then you got the mob episodes, and then you got like,

681
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,319
this is where I think the Matt Reeves stuff comes in,

682
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,240
like the serial killer s stuff like I feel like

683
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,920
this Harley Quinn. Maybe there's another one where I feel

684
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,400
like that's in the real that I could feel like

685
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,480
these characters fitting in the same realm the Riddler did

686
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,920
in The Batman like this one. I saw this, and

687
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,799
then when I went back to those rumors, like man,

688
00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,599
I could see Matt Reeves when they're working the show

689
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:01,720
and him, look can this character be like, oh, like

690
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:04,119
I could do this and this could fit with like

691
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,400
with the Riddler and that type of Oh if Batman's

692
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,079
going after killers like this, could this aesthetic could really

693
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,160
fit with what Reeves is doing?

694
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: So oh absolutely this This one was definitely one of

695
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,359
my favorite episodes of the season. I had only ever

696
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,279
experienced Clay Face I think one other time unless he

697
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:23,839
popped up in Arkham.

698
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: He's in Arkham City. Is he's one of the bosses.

699
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then I definitely fought him then. But the

700
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,640
only time I've seen him on a like a show

701
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,640
setting would have been the Harley Quinn Show, and it's

702
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,400
a very different version than what we have here. Still great.

703
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,440
I love his character in the Harley Quinn Poison Ivy Show.

704
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:45,440
But yeah, but no, I thought this was fantastic. I

705
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,279
thought it was really dark and like it had twist

706
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,359
and turns like a like a true like serial killer

707
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,160
movie would have like something like seven or something, you know. So, yeah,

708
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,720
the comparisons to Matt Reeves very fitting. I think it's

709
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:05,519
a great pairing of a character to have with that universe,

710
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:11,160
and even just like the monstrosity that like Clayface kind

711
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,039
of has, Like when I think it's Montoya that first

712
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,960
smacks him and like his face is just smushed over

713
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,319
and it's like, what the hell even are you? Like

714
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:25,480
just just the puzzle there and thinking that who I

715
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,400
can't remember the name of the guy that he kind

716
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,079
of like he murders, and then he used like his

717
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,039
own serum to make him look like a remember the doctor. Yeah,

718
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,640
so just like that little switch around there I I

719
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,720
really did like and even just following Montoya here, I

720
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,960
feel like as a character throughout the whole show, she

721
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,880
wasn't used that much, but this episode was definitely a

722
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,279
highlight of her kind of just like pretty much doing

723
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,000
the case like through her perspective, and I really liked

724
00:33:56,039 --> 00:34:00,440
her as a character for that reason. And yeah, just

725
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,640
the the whole detective isms that Batman has here, it

726
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,159
was fun to have him not just using like state

727
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,360
of the art billionaire tech, because that's really just a version.

728
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,559
It's usually the character that I'm most familiar with, right,

729
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:16,519
like even in Arkham City, like you have all your

730
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:18,679
gadgets and it is in a more modern time. And

731
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:24,079
then like even the Reeves Batman, that one feels like,

732
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,159
I don't know, I think we were talking like it's

733
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,480
almost like a nineties type era it seems, but there

734
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,679
never actually says.

735
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think present David, but like old New Tech.

736
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,400
It's like the original Star Wars thing where it's like

737
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,360
sci fi but everything looks old and worn down and

738
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,320
used and everything, which is funny to shout out. I

739
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320
don't think this would be the next comic versions, but

740
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,880
it's releasing the Fall DC's doing this line called DC

741
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:49,760
All and that's like the you know, the Ultimate Universe

742
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,920
of Marvel where it's like, okay, it's a different universe

743
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,440
or doing that. And they're doing a Batman who like

744
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,440
if he had lost all his money. I don't know how,

745
00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:59,199
I don't know if it's like it gets stolen from whatnot.

746
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
But it's a Batman, but he doesn't have like Gadget's

747
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,519
billions of dollars. He's not Bruce Wayne the philanthropist. So

748
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,480
that's something you should look. Look. Just put in Batman

749
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,480
absolute see how fucking jack they made him. So he

750
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,880
doesn't have the weapons and gear, so they made up

751
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,920
for her and just I guess he's just pumping iron

752
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,880
twenty four to seven. But he's massive, right, Yeah, he's huge.

753
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,760
He's a tank. But that's for something that, like I said,

754
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,159
that might be a good one to put on your

755
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,199
potential rening list. I'll read it first, let you know.

756
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,159
But it's written by my favorite Baton writer. But that's

757
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:31,960
a similar vein where I think that one's gonna have

758
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:33,880
him being he can be a detective, but he's not

759
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,519
just gonna be like let me use this X ray

760
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,719
scanner and get everything, because it's like he has he

761
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,679
doesn't have money. He doesn't have money this Batman. So

762
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,000
it's gonna be interesting what they do there. So yeah,

763
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,039
and they've done other things like the Wonder Woman. She's

764
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,079
like all tatted up and everything. I don't know what

765
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,000
the difference is, uh A Superman. I think they've said

766
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,400
he's more alien than human this go around, so I

767
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,360
think it's I don't know what the story is there.

768
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,639
And same thing flash, they've been cagy on these because

769
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,079
they want to alsoe at people to buy them. But

770
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,159
they're all they're all gonna like different spins on you

771
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,400
know what they're it's not gonna be the same sort

772
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,480
of character. So but yeah, so people like that sort

773
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,639
of Batman where he just kind of has his tools,

774
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,880
it's just his brain. He got something coming there. But no,

775
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,119
I really like this. This. This told me what I

776
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,559
would love. The reason I would love this because it

777
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:18,840
does feel weird that they're making movies in Gotham, which

778
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,119
is Gotham supposed to be like this dangerous city. So

779
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,519
you feel like an insurance agency be like, hey, maybe

780
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,800
not work in Gotham. So I don't know how you

781
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,320
can make them the Batman Part two, but I really

782
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,519
don't care. Even at stage play stuff like I love

783
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,280
there's a segment of their just kind of showing him

784
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,559
doing all these type of old type of movies, whether

785
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,960
it's like The Pendulum or just they show the roles

786
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,079
he went through and then they go to sound stages

787
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,239
and there's investigations. I think that to me, like in

788
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,760
live action Batman, I would love to see the Batman

789
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,039
Clayface and Matt Reeve's working with you know, the Batman

790
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,320
looking into old school movie sets or whatever it may be. Like,

791
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:57,880
I would love to see those sequences in live action

792
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,440
with a real set that was bad and live just

793
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,920
I was, I just this was dripping with I could

794
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,159
have it was fine as a one putter, but I

795
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,280
could even have this is like a character I hope

796
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,920
in season two comes back clay Face for whatever reason,

797
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,440
because there was enough meat on the bone there. I

798
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,559
was like, Okay, I want to see more. Love the

799
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:16,360
design of the jacket and the bandana that looks very

800
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960
similar to the OG comic one. So yeah, this one

801
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,960
was a This one was a standard. I don't think

802
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,639
it was. I don't know if it's my it's either

803
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:25,760
my second or third favorite. It's up there. It was

804
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,119
a it was a very good time. So yeah, okay,

805
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,320
we got the Kiss of Catwoman, which I think everyone

806
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,840
knows about that Selena Kyle turns to a life of

807
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,440
crime as a daring Catwoman after a multimillion father goes

808
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,320
to prison, leaving her strapped for cash. So what do

809
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,199
you think about this? We got the great Christina Ritchie

810
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,599
voicing this, and it's a very it's a not difficult.

811
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,519
It's I think, completely in line with what Catwoman is,

812
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,480
but I think it gets there to a different route.

813
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,320
She takes a different at least that I don't maybe

814
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,679
this is adapting some really Golden age combooks. The look

815
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,599
is I think exactly like the Batman the Past, where

816
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:03,360
this is the look that Catwoman had originally. So maybe

817
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,719
there is some isms of this being her original origin

818
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,639
as far as being a copy cat or using Batman

819
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:10,239
as kind of a skate gope here.

820
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I loved it. I said in my earlier thoughts,

821
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,519
like just seeing a different version of the Catwoman that

822
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:21,440
I've seen in the past was really really cool, and

823
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,440
she was very like, like I want to say, I

824
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,360
don't know if lighthearted, the right word, but she just

825
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,519
seems she just seems like, I know she's not innocent,

826
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:34,400
but she comes off that way, especially like kind of

827
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,360
the comedic moments around her, I think kind of put

828
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,079
her in that light as well, and she just doesn't

829
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,480
seem as dangerous as like maybe she could be because

830
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,639
of that, Like she just always got one liners and

831
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:48,280
like she gets caught, it's just like ah shucks, Like

832
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,519
you guys got me and that's it.

833
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: And I think you'd underestimate this catwoman. Yeah, you know,

834
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,920
she kind of seems like just a regular two timing,

835
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,519
like oh, this is an easy lock up type.

836
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,039
Speaker 2: Of villain, right, Yeah, No, absolutely, And I really really

837
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:05,679
love the dynamic between like her and Batman on screen.

838
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,679
That's always a big thing throughout the Batman universes is

839
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,679
those two characters actually in interacting, and Bruce just kind

840
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:16,119
of seemed like annoyed with her for the most part. Yeah,

841
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,079
more so than just being like, oh, I'm so in

842
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,000
love with it with this character, which I guess most

843
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,599
often the time when he at least is in the batsuit,

844
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,360
like he is coming off that way at least he's

845
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,039
trying to be, but this way, Yeah, he just felt

846
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,079
like he was really annoyed by her, and I really

847
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:33,519
like the her kind of origin that she is, just

848
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,119
like her father was thrown in prison or something. Their

849
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,559
money's just running out. I love the dynamic between her

850
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,199
and her housekeeper and.

851
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: Three months like hey, jack loaded.

852
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,199
Speaker 2: Just sells all of her things. It's like, yeah, no,

853
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,760
I'm collecting, so good luck with your life and she's

854
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,199
in prison.

855
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: Like.

856
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,559
Speaker 2: It was just a really fun episode, especially coming off

857
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,920
of I think the previous one. I guess the previous

858
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,360
two were pretty heavy and like darker at least compared

859
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,719
to this one. So it was a nice kind of

860
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,880
like catch your breath. I think is because even the

861
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,800
next episode gets pretty dark as well. But yeah, I

862
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:10,440
really really loved it, and I really want to see

863
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,480
more of this catwoman, so hopefully next season we see again.

864
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think I think it showed a good

865
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,840
versatility because I don't think I think the episode it's

866
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,760
not exactly I don't know. I don't know if there's

867
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,719
any episode that is as comedic and kind of lighthearted

868
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,840
as this one. I think there's element of night Ride

869
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,800
with like you know, the Gentleman goes where it's like

870
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,519
there's some kind of like Scooby Doo esque to it,

871
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:34,920
but then I think the back half gets like serious,

872
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,599
so it kind of goes away where this is like

873
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,679
it is kind of like a breath of fresh air.

874
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,719
And yeah, she's much more i'd say when you were

875
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,199
if you're a look at their attributes. I think her

876
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,280
durability and like fighting skills probably a lot lower than

877
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,679
other Catwoman, but her like tricksterness or slyness is a

878
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,639
lot higher. And I think it's a fun little ploy

879
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:56,119
as far as Okay, people are starting to see and

880
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:59,599
hear about this Batman character, what if I go to

881
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,480
where that character is commit some crimes and then they

882
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,039
can always be pinned on him. So again, it's kind

883
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:08,000
of a savvy decision there, obviously Batman, which I love.

884
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,599
He decides like, I'm gonna get someone to take pictures

885
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:13,679
of it. Uh, very bold move when the photographers like,

886
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,840
I got you pictures of you beating up cops? You

887
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,239
want to publish that? And he's like, well, I just

888
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,880
gotta get cat one off the street. So that's one

889
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,000
thing where it's like you've seen some Batman before that,

890
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:23,960
and maybe you wouldn't do that or worry about this

891
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,800
this Batman is very just I think all the time.

892
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,000
That's what remind me of Matt Reeves's Batman, where it's

893
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,400
just very goal oriented, always just about doesn't care. It's

894
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,039
just about the mission has to go forward on it, right,

895
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:36,760
Like the way when Alfred and the Batman's like, oh,

896
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,480
you gotta go out and pure normal. He has no

897
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,360
interest in doing that. This Batman, it's just whatever, if

898
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,079
they see me beating some cops up, I'll deal with

899
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,400
it later, even though that's not gonna help his cause, right,

900
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,400
it's gonna hurt him. It does. Throughout the show they

901
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,639
start putting you know, wanted whatever, what would it be called, uh,

902
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,199
wanted poster or a warrant. It's like kind of like

903
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,960
a warrant, right, like just to get him and stuff.

904
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,719
There's anytime he's around, he's gonna try I arrested, So

905
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:04,159
that's gonna make his job harder. But if that means

906
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,360
locking up a criminal, then you know, Batman's all for it.

907
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,920
So no, I agree, And I think Richie did a

908
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,199
good job. Again, I think the voice acting pretty much

909
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:15,920
all around is really good here. But yeah, I think

910
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,519
this was a fun kind of breadth of fresh air. Episode.

911
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,880
I don't know how many you need of these, because

912
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,920
I do like the more darker serious one. So I

913
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,320
think one a season, if they did two is fine,

914
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,719
But I think one was like just my my cup

915
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,239
of the tea there, and I imagine same thing I

916
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,480
think she would. I could see her coming back, and

917
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,639
there's more high chinks. I don't know if it would be.

918
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,159
You know, her father went to prison, right, so I'm

919
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:38,599
not sure if that character were to get out, and

920
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:40,920
I could see something like Batman looking into the dad

921
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,719
and unfortunately he gets roped back in dealing with Selena

922
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,079
Kyle one way or another. So but right now, I

923
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:49,639
guess she's just she's in prison, right, That's how it ended,

924
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,880
because her main left her and she's just there. But

925
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,800
she got who knows what time, how much time she's

926
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,039
gonna have to do. So the Night Hunters, Detective Montoya

927
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,440
is put in charge of attack force assembled by Mayor

928
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:04,079
just Off to catch Batman, and Gotham is put in

929
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,000
jeopardy when detective Flask and Bullock take matters in their

930
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,079
own hands. So what did you think about Flash and

931
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:14,360
Bullock are resident kind of dirty cops? Bullock is, He's

932
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,800
it's tough because in media, he's all over the place.

933
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,280
Sometimes he is the asshole cop but is still sticking

934
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,760
by the book and he'll do Here's saying he's not

935
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,199
doesn't stick by the book, but he's not like a

936
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,159
dirty cop. Or there's times like this show where he

937
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,320
is just like a dirty cop. So he's kind of

938
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,639
all over. But I will say flask sets some nice

939
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:31,719
looking suits in this show.

940
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I like the blue look looking really good. Yeah,

941
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,719
I did like this episode. I think it was a

942
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,760
good showcase of like the internal struggle that you know,

943
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,519
a straight cop like Jim Gordon has of like balancing

944
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,079
the mayor pressuring him to do certain things and then

945
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:54,679
him staying true to what he believes is right. And yeah,

946
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,360
like I've said it a couple of times already, but

947
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,679
I think the show is just a really good starting

948
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,800
point for like someone in the Batman universe because it

949
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,960
does just show, like, you know, we just talked about Catwoman,

950
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,400
so it showed like the origin to that, like you

951
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,960
get some cobblo pot in the in the early portions

952
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,519
and the detectivisms of the like the clay Face episode.

953
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,960
I guess the detective is throughout the entire show.

954
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,599
Speaker 1: But there's yeah yeah, But.

955
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,199
Speaker 2: Like this episode, I feel like it was a really

956
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,440
good showcase of that corruption that that Gotham has, and

957
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,960
it was just a really good showcase for it. I

958
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,320
liked how by the end like it just I don't know.

959
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,599
I I think the shot of like Bullock like shooting

960
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,280
the guy, Like I know they don't see him shoot him,

961
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,960
but they like showcase him that he is the one

962
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,960
that killed them, Like, I don't know if that's really

963
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,440
a hero pose. It's like he clearly did shoot him,

964
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,119
but I guess I get what they're coming for.

965
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 1: Even the mayor thing I didn't like where it's like, oh,

966
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:55,400
these guys have some moxie, you're gonna be like there's

967
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,599
a few things I don't like about the ending of

968
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,440
the episode. I liked him shooting him because it did

969
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,719
show like that their fuck up and very bold plan.

970
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,960
What are we gonna do? Well, we're gonna release I

971
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,920
love the beginning when all the cops are trying to

972
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,440
like fake out Batman. They're doing like fake robberies and

973
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,280
fake crimes and just Batman's looking there or the times

974
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,000
he'll just go and hang them up and like yeah,

975
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,280
we missed them. We didn't see him, but he was

976
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,719
definitely here as his partner's upside down. Like I thought

977
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,840
the first five minutes of ye again, it's like it

978
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,400
is comedic, but it's like comedic in the right way

979
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,840
where it's not like over the taw or like you know,

980
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,480
right in your face. It's like fun situational humor. So

981
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:32,119
they take it.

982
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: We'll totally get them, well smart him.

983
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, just do it again, do it again. We'll do

984
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,719
it again in ten minutes. And so I like that.

985
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,840
You know, these idiots are like, well, what if we

986
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,599
just release an actual criminal back into the wild. They

987
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:48,239
call them Firebug. I'm wondering if because he's fireflying now,

988
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,440
so I'm wondering if maybe in the comics he's started

989
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,280
as firebug because they specifically kept that on Firebug on Firebugs.

990
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,159
I think that must have been a throwback to something

991
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,280
back in the day. But yeah, and then the plan

992
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,440
goes terribly wrong because they do give him all those tools,

993
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,280
but lo and behold, the guy that loves fire starts

994
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,760
to burn everything down again. So I was fine with

995
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,920
that all, and I was fine with Bullock shooting him

996
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,800
and you know, making the kill and showing again that

997
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Batman's trying not to do that kill the enemies. He'd

998
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
rather take them down put him in jail. I think,

999
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,719
like you said, I don't know if it's like a

1000
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,079
hero post, but maybe in the forties, right, maybe look

1001
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:23,760
at that as like maybe back then a cop like

1002
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,840
serving justice. I think for me it was one because

1003
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,559
Gordon goes, hey, I know you guys did, Like you

1004
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,920
guys really fucked up. Everyone's gonna know about this. Right

1005
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,599
when that happens, America calls like, oh, these guys, they

1006
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,440
got the right plan. You gotta be started listening to them. One,

1007
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,719
I just didn't like that leap because like for Gordon

1008
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,360
not even try to explain what happened, like this was

1009
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,719
like multiple lives lost buildings. So I didn't like they

1010
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,400
didn't try to explain it. And two, I didn't actually

1011
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,719
really feel like the whole thing with the mayor being like, oh,

1012
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:55,880
these guys are gonna be important. I feel like the

1013
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,239
rest of the show, Flask and Bulk were still just

1014
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,960
kind of dirty, shady cops. It never felt like Jim

1015
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,719
gorm wan to go do something. They're like no, no, no,

1016
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,159
like we got control now. So it was like a

1017
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:08,920
weird I maybe I just wish they would have been

1018
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,800
like he would the mayor would have called to congratulate them,

1019
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,079
and he wouldn't have had them fired. But it felt

1020
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,920
like a weird thing to be like, oh, yeah, they're

1021
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:18,360
you know, they're gonna be making there. These guys are

1022
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,199
gonna be around for a while and making some decisions.

1023
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,840
But didn't really feel like that happened. Maybe I guess

1024
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,480
a bit nearly back end, but I didn't. I didn't

1025
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,280
feel that storyline. It's maybe some other ones like Barbara

1026
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,280
or Dent that kind of went throughout the show. It

1027
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,679
felt like they kind of draw They kind of had

1028
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,519
too many ebbs and flows in that one, so we

1029
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:36,079
would like to see them a little bit more of them.

1030
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:38,599
But it was again a minor nitpick there for me.

1031
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: So that's fair.

1032
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like Fireblug, Firefly whatever. He's like an easy villain. Fire.

1033
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,599
Speaker 2: I like the trippy like lights things that he had

1034
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:50,599
on people. It's funny. It actually reminded me of you'll

1035
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,960
have to you'll have to pinpoint exactly what it is.

1036
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,400
But the dexter villain that was seeing like angels and people, Oh.

1037
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,679
Speaker 1: Jesus, Travis something was season six.

1038
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,199
Speaker 2: Where he was the Doomsday Killer, right.

1039
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,519
Speaker 1: Well, seeing angels and people he.

1040
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: Would like see maybe it was Hannibal, Actually not, I

1041
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,400
think it's Hannibal.

1042
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I think Doomsday Killer. That's text.

1043
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,639
I think it's Hannibal with the seeing angels and people.

1044
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you just look at people and they'd

1045
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:20,719
be like lit up, and that's a Firebug was seen

1046
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:22,320
to light them up.

1047
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1048
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that trippy like psychological factor that they

1049
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,119
had to that character. Mm hmm.

1050
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,079
Speaker 1: Anything else on the Firebug episode? No, all right, the

1051
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,719
stress of her regard uh And this is a good

1052
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,679
thing to talk about too, because we didn't mention it,

1053
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:39,360
so we'll talk about In this episode, Batman and Barbara

1054
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,239
Gordon are set on a collision course when they investigate

1055
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:46,239
abductions of rich, powerful men in Gotham. We forgot they

1056
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,000
set this up. I can't remember if it's this episode

1057
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,599
before or be like in three, but they had set

1058
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,280
up that Batman h he was in public and I

1059
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,760
really like there's two situations this happens. Uh So makes

1060
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,400
a crack as dead parents and Bruce snaps and punches

1061
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,039
the guy, which I that.

1062
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: Was a cool. It was okay at the Pearls commenting,

1063
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,400
which is hilarious because they're like shit talking, like Bruce

1064
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,280
Wayne's like right beside. It's like, what an idiot? Why

1065
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,000
would it be in that area. It's like clearly they

1066
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,119
knew who Bruce Wayne is and he's standing right there.

1067
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, But like so I really enjoy I feel

1068
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:24,639
like it's been as far as I'm trying to think

1069
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:26,599
of the animated series, I feel like he takes he

1070
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:28,360
keeps a pretty cool colum collect Like what I was

1071
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,320
trying to say is either we see Bruce Wayne where

1072
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,039
he is the fake Bruce Wayne and he's cool the

1073
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,239
whole time, or it's something like Reeves where it's like, Okay,

1074
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,000
he's not Bruce Wayne that much, right, Like he tries

1075
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,760
to hide. I like that this was the fake Bruce Wayne,

1076
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,360
but he would big time snap and show and that's

1077
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,840
why he gets the therapy, right. But he punches a

1078
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,079
guy and later on I know I'm jumping forward, but

1079
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,760
there's a conversation he has with Harvey Dent and in

1080
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,159
the middle of it he like switches to Batman. He's

1081
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,880
like he said something like oh yeah, I can't remember

1082
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,239
he's like he pretty much just says like in you're

1083
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,239
your cowards, you wouldn't do that, Like he says so,

1084
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,639
and then it's like what and he's like, oh, you know,

1085
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:07,800
I'm just joking around. But like I like that they

1086
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
showed this Bruce Wayne. That to me was the difference

1087
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,920
where usually Bruce has his stuff under control, but like

1088
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:18,079
it's like sometimes the batmanisms they they slip out. And

1089
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,199
that's what I liked about this, where Okay, he made

1090
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:22,039
a crack and even then in therapy he just said, Hey,

1091
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,039
this guy was an asshle. He said some about my parents.

1092
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,320
You know, I just decided to clock him one right,

1093
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,000
and it's even that would be believable, And that's what

1094
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,239
we didn't talk about. But it's like I said, fitting

1095
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,880
talk about here where he is having therapy sessions with

1096
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,920
Harley Quinzel and they're trying to get down to the

1097
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,519
bottom and eventually she just decides, ah, like I can't

1098
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,280
help you because you're not letting me help you. There's

1099
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,719
something there, but you're just faking it. Like so she

1100
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,320
doesn't pick up these Batman but she definitely picks up

1101
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,199
like this guy is not who he says he is.

1102
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,960
I guess because he wasn't a piece of shit. That's

1103
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,280
why she didn't lock him up. It seems she seems

1104
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,599
to lock up like more, I don't know, more bigger assholes.

1105
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:00,880
But yeah, we get this. This was my favorite episode

1106
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,559
because of course I'm a joker guy. But I was like, okay,

1107
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:06,280
I like the therapy thing. I do like the redesign,

1108
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,480
but this again falls in like Serial Killer Riddler vibes

1109
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,440
of because that's the synopsis, right, but I had no

1110
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,199
Maybe that synopsis is on Amazon, but I had no idea.

1111
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,960
I thought, Okay, it's just gonna be Batman and Harley

1112
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,880
Quinn when she goes back home and she has a

1113
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,079
bunch of people locked downstairs, like a fucking Joe from

1114
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,320
You or Dex Woe, and I was like, okay, this

1115
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,239
jumped levels to me. It would have been fine if

1116
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,400
it was just the first angle, but the second angle

1117
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,679
and the way she's like making these guys have like

1118
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,159
Stockholm syndrome and they're listening to her not because of

1119
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,519
mind control or a spell, just because they've been in

1120
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,400
there for months, maybe some of them a year or two,

1121
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,000
and they're just their mind is warped by her messing

1122
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,760
with them or shocking them or having them beat each other,

1123
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,840
like to me was that was where I was like

1124
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,000
another time was like, Okay, this is even more darker

1125
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:55,039
than I thought it was gonna be. Again, it's not

1126
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,039
gratuita's violence where there's blood or skin piercing, but it's

1127
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,559
just what they imply. So this to me was my

1128
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,960
favorite just because of I really liked the twist and

1129
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,239
the other last point is I really liked the her

1130
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,159
being with Renee Montoya and it didn't seem like it

1131
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,280
was like, oh, I'm dating this cop so I can

1132
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,800
like have an in on the police, right. It seemed

1133
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,239
like she genuinely cared because they were gonna go on

1134
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,480
a date and when like Quinn fell off that mountain,

1135
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:21,880
presumably dead, she called her and said, Hey, I'm gonna

1136
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,960
be at town for a little bit, but I'm we

1137
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,239
will have that day in the future. Renee was looking

1138
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,960
all sad, so really this had this was like ace

1139
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:30,800
is the whole way through, and I this was my

1140
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,320
favorite one. I loved this Harley Quinn episode the addition everything,

1141
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,039
this is something that I'd be completely down for Reis

1142
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:38,960
to steal if they wanted to do like Harley Quinn

1143
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,039
in his universe with the Joker, like make her this

1144
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:43,320
sort route. So it was very refreshing.

1145
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really really like the spin on it. It's

1146
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,320
very different Harley Quinn that I've experienced, just because every

1147
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,800
Harley Quinn that I have seen has been so tied

1148
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,360
to the Joker, And it was kind of cool that

1149
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,119
she is doing her own thing even without that guy.

1150
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,760
And uh but like living this double life of like

1151
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,679
being like a doctor and then doing these trippy experiments

1152
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,880
like after hours and still like getting dressed up for it.

1153
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,840
I really like the new look too, how it's kind

1154
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,800
of like a brownish yellowish color palette compared to the

1155
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,440
classic like white and red. Probably some black in there

1156
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,000
as well, But.

1157
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: And she looks like a porcelain doll where like, yeah, yeah,

1158
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,639
it looks like one of those just dolls you'd find

1159
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:30,320
in that the eyes too, it's a it's a good look, yeah.

1160
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 2: Hundred percent. And I agree with you. I think the

1161
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,559
dynamic of her being with detecting Montoya was was really

1162
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,519
fun because it, like you highlighted, like it wasn't just

1163
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:42,760
for her benefit of like getting in in the in

1164
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,360
the forest. Like every conversation that they had, Like she

1165
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,519
seemed like she was giving her like very genuine advice

1166
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,039
that like would be like something like a partner would

1167
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,039
would would supply you with or you'd hope they would

1168
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:55,639
supply you with. And I don't know, I just felt

1169
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,960
like they had good chemistry together and yeah, so I

1170
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:02,199
thought all that was really really good, and yeah it was.

1171
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,880
It was a fantastic episode because yeah, she was I

1172
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,800
think I think she would have been introduced in that

1173
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,679
third episode with Catwoman, like when he is going through.

1174
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: Just as Quinzel, and I like that they don't. They

1175
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,679
don't like tip the hat there where it's like, oh,

1176
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,119
she's a bad therapist. It's just she's a therapist at

1177
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:24,079
first to start.

1178
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: Right, And That's where I'm like, Okay, we got to

1179
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,199
get Harley eventually at some point next season. I'm thinking then,

1180
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,800
of course, two episodes later we have her in the costume.

1181
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,960
But yeah, she's definitely not gone. So I am intrigued

1182
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,440
as to what's gonna come next time.

1183
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: And I like that she was like when she lost

1184
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:40,639
and this happens a few times where because the show

1185
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,400
and Davin old time is he's a solo, lone wolf loner.

1186
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,480
But he's always working with people. This is a situation

1187
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,320
where Barbara saved him right because she goes down there

1188
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,280
very risky because she's looking into she has some suspicions

1189
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,679
about Harley Quinn. But I like that Harry Quinn. When

1190
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,159
Batman's down there, she's like profiling him and she's like, Oh,

1191
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,320
I'm just your type. So it's like almost flirting with

1192
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,280
him in a little so And I don't know if

1193
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,920
she's bisexual or not. I think we'll talk about the

1194
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,599
end this season where maybe they I'm not sure what

1195
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,480
tie she has to the mister j or whatnot, But no,

1196
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,920
I think it was a very fun rendition of the character.

1197
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:18,320
So show Next Night Ride. After a series of robberies

1198
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,519
and Gotham, Batman wrestles with the possibility that the culprit

1199
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,480
might be from beyond the grave. Meanwhile, Harvey Dan's morality

1200
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,559
is tested. A generous campaign donation comes from the most

1201
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:29,599
in the Fairy source, which, well, like we said, we're

1202
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,760
gonna table the Harvey Dent talk to episode nine to

1203
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,119
ten because we can just put it all in the

1204
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,360
kin kaboodles. So what do you think about this? Because

1205
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,519
to me, I was saying a non spoilers. Episodes one

1206
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:44,920
to five all real world mobsters, crazy people. I guess

1207
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,239
clay Face, but even clay Face has a stretches like, well,

1208
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,920
it's surgery, Like it's a botched like chemical compound or

1209
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,079
something right where this is because Gwen's like, oh, is

1210
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:57,079
this gonna be an actual ghost and like I compared

1211
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,320
to my no, it's probably be like Scooby Doo where

1212
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,559
it looks like a ghost but someone's just tuning some effects.

1213
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:04,719
It's even Batman's done that before. But this was just

1214
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,480
a fun evil dead ghost back from like they had

1215
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,920
to do voodoo together. I was surprised, and I'm fine

1216
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,039
because the comics do that all the time, and that's

1217
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,199
always the debate, right, like with matt Reeves and Nolan,

1218
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,400
It's like, well, they never had like well matt Reeve's

1219
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,320
Douet mist or freeze or something like this. So I

1220
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:24,360
was kind of surprised because I knew Gentlemen ghost was

1221
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,840
in here, but I thought, oh, they'll just find a

1222
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,280
way to make it effects or make some sort of

1223
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,719
you know, illusion. But yeah, they just went full on

1224
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,639
magic here, and I thought this was a very fun episode.

1225
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:34,960
It did to me feel like other than the Harvey

1226
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,559
end stuff, it felt like Scooby Doo, but like I

1227
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,800
liked it. And then the ending with Alfred that was

1228
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,119
some messed up stuff too.

1229
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,559
Speaker 2: Where it's very dark, Yes, what are you like, like

1230
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:47,760
hands over the vial to this guy and then you

1231
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,440
just have the ghost in the vial.

1232
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: You can't leave me with them?

1233
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: No, and it's like what are you gonna do with them?

1234
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,159
You sure you want to know? And then they just

1235
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,559
like walk off and like lightning and thunder. It's like

1236
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:59,199
holy fuck, Like what the hell is.

1237
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: That good Hallowe type episode? Yeah?

1238
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I no, but uh, like like you, I was

1239
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,280
very much expecting that Scooby Doo reveal that it's just

1240
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,800
like a show. And even Batman has that moment it's

1241
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,159
like or like what is he He says something along

1242
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,760
lines like I could still hit you, and he like

1243
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,639
throws a battery and he goes like right through him.

1244
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,599
It's like, oh fuck, that's actually the ghost. Yeah.

1245
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,239
Speaker 1: So it's just the middle of the moll War too.

1246
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,920
Like the guy because he talks to Voodog I can't

1247
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,519
remember his name and like, oh, I'm so surprised you

1248
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,800
roban the possibility he's like, well, I guess anything's possible,

1249
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,719
and of ghosts are possible, I gotta fix it. Just

1250
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:34,079
like he just accepts that in the middle of this

1251
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,960
very realistic nineteen forties scribing war, there's just a ghost

1252
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,480
and was like, yep, I will deal with this ghost

1253
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:41,239
and then get back to my job, you know. And

1254
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:43,800
they mention of like, hey, I thought a fucking ghost

1255
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,920
a couple of nights ago, you know, just he thought

1256
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:46,360
a ghost.

1257
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,679
Speaker 2: I think his name is Midnight.

1258
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: Is that that sounds about right?

1259
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the voodoo guy whatever it was. Yeah, he was.

1260
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:57,559
He was interesting. He's definitely got some suscry to himself.

1261
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,639
That's a character I could see possibly people in another

1262
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:01,920
season Linton Midnight.

1263
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, okre you go.

1264
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I this was this was very interesting.

1265
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:13,360
I mean I've I've seen some paranormal kind of instances

1266
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,840
that Batman's come across, mostly just from like I think

1267
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,400
Arkham City kind of goes in that route with the

1268
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:23,320
uh breaking away from the realism factor. But uh, I

1269
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,239
also just really liked how Batman kind of handled this situation,

1270
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,559
Like it's almost as if he's like, well, it's not

1271
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,320
the weirdest thing I've seen, and it's not the weirdest

1272
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,000
thing I'm ever going to see, So let's just let's

1273
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,480
just carry on. And he is just such a person that,

1274
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,519
like you just it's all about the facts and like

1275
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,719
whatever is in front of him and what the evidence

1276
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:42,440
shows him. And I like how right away it's like, wow,

1277
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:44,840
clearly you're it's just like a trick, like you're not

1278
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,159
actually a ghost. And then yeah, throws the battering like

1279
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:50,039
oh never mind, and then the ghost like hits him too,

1280
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:51,800
so it's like, well, fuck, what are the rules here?

1281
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,559
Like you can hit me, I can't hit you. But yeah,

1282
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,320
I thought it was really fun. I thought it was spooky,

1283
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,360
like the moments when the ghost was robbing the guy

1284
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,119
on the train.

1285
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was good, good opening. Yeah.

1286
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and it's about work.

1287
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,679
Speaker 1: Like for me, it did work because sometimes when you

1288
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,199
get fantastical elements of Batman, you have to not be

1289
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,800
careful because he does it all the time. That just

1290
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,559
depends on the Tony said, and for some reason, it's

1291
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:16,760
still worked here in a very mostly realistic world. Leading

1292
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,519
up to it, you know, yeah, after that was moving target.

1293
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:23,519
Montoya of vows to do everything in her power to

1294
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:26,519
protect Commissioner Gordon following a bosh attempt on his life.

1295
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:29,480
Batman's investigation leads him to realize that no one can

1296
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:32,119
be trusted. I don't have any episodes that I would

1297
00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:34,199
fail or dislike in this, I think this would probably

1298
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,440
be my lower tier one because Automatic Pia, you know,

1299
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,599
he's a fun character. But I feel like they, out

1300
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:43,079
of all these episodes, I feel like all the villains

1301
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,599
or supporting characters really popped. I don't think they gave

1302
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:48,840
Automatic pa enough because it's him with a bunch of

1303
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,079
other hitman. Automatia is a guy that has like the

1304
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:53,800
you know, the soul mass yeah, and I just feel

1305
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,119
like that need there, needed more there. I liked the

1306
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,840
aspect of there's a hit, cops are turning on them,

1307
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,920
the hits action on Barbaron, not Gorn. I liked all

1308
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,679
the mob stuff. I think just as a villain, I

1309
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:08,440
don't think he got the shine I was kind of

1310
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,599
hoping for, because I think every other episode the villain

1311
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:12,400
does get a good shine where here I thought, oh, like,

1312
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,400
he's like a fun b rate. But I think this

1313
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,719
would be probably my leaster episode, but still an episode

1314
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,320
I really enjoyed, and it was just furthering more of

1315
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,800
Gotham's tainted, dirty et cetera. You know, because I really

1316
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,519
like that comp that's with them the whole time, working

1317
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,159
with them, and then he just says, sorry, it's a

1318
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:32,440
lot of money. It's like, well, okay, So I enjoyed

1319
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,800
it still, even though it being maybe my my lower

1320
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,400
ranked one.

1321
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, with that villain, I liked at least that it

1322
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,079
wasn't just like another you know, goon, like, yeah, they

1323
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,280
had they had like some sort of super villain. Even

1324
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,760
though he might be like a c or a b

1325
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,519
rate villain. I still like that, like the look. So

1326
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:50,960
like when I first saw him, like, oh, it's the

1327
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
spot and I'm like, oh, it's Marvel. I'm like, oh

1328
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,320
it zero, Oh no, that's Marvel as well. I'm like,

1329
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,800
who the fuck is this guy? And then yeah, subtitles

1330
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,440
showed me it was on a menopea like, oh, yeah,

1331
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,599
that makes sense. He's doing like whush, he's doing all

1332
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:05,119
like the classic like sound effect things.

1333
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,719
Speaker 1: In the comic books. Oh really he's actually an arrow

1334
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:10,519
green arrow villain.

1335
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:11,679
Speaker 2: So oh that's fun.

1336
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:12,079
Speaker 1: Ye.

1337
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, his I think his inclusion here was the

1338
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,400
weakest just because there isn't much more than he's just

1339
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:22,840
the leader of this this band of bad guys. I guess, yeah,

1340
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,199
I don't even know if he's like the main leader.

1341
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:27,480
They just called him boss. It's like all good one boss. Yeah.

1342
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,559
But what I did really like about this episode was

1343
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,440
just the threat of like like Gordon and like getting

1344
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:38,679
him out. It very much made me think of like

1345
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:40,679
the Dark Night when like all the hits are out

1346
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:42,719
there and they're like trying to get you know, people

1347
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,280
in the safe houses, and there's just there's just threats everywhere.

1348
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,599
You can't trust anyone. And I like also the moment

1349
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:52,960
between it was other. I think it's Barbara when she

1350
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:55,760
ambushes Gordon when he's coming home from work with Montoya

1351
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,920
and some other cops and he's like, you know, if

1352
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,760
anyone comes out there, He's like, I'll be ready. He's

1353
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,039
got like is fucking six year with them. It's like, okay,

1354
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:02,880
tough guy.

1355
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: But I like her.

1356
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: She's like she's like, like you you're saying all these things,

1357
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,840
but like, you know, there's this innocent lady that like

1358
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,039
lives ten feet from you, Like yeah, exactly, and like

1359
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,360
some really real points that she was making totally amazing.

1360
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, so I.

1361
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:21,159
Speaker 2: Like all those moments, and then of course I like

1362
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,679
when Batman comes in and saves the day at the

1363
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,320
end though. That was really sweet. So I I it

1364
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,480
probably is one of the last episodes for me, but

1365
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:31,440
like it's still really good. Then yeah, it just goes

1366
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,119
to show the quality of the show in general.

1367
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh episode eight Nocturn when children started go missing

1368
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,239
at a Harvey Dent campaign event that means sleuthing into

1369
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,559
an underbelly of local carnival hosting and uncovers something far

1370
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:49,079
more sinister and absolutely because you got yeah he's sleuth,

1371
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,280
and you got this this girl that's how many years old,

1372
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,920
sucking life up doing fake no I guess not fake magic,

1373
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,639
but making her brother look like he's a real has

1374
01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:01,079
magic with these things. And uh, yeah, this is like

1375
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,239
a fun because it's kind of half episoderight where if

1376
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,280
it's half the circus stuff and then half setting up

1377
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:09,400
Harvey Dent's turn for two Face and everything that happens there.

1378
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,679
So I think this was a good episode. I still

1379
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,880
same thing, would have it probably in the more lower ones,

1380
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,480
but still very positive. I liked how dark they were getting.

1381
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,199
You're just walk in this room just these kids are

1382
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,000
just just passed out. The life has been sucked out.

1383
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:24,719
And the brothers, okay, you only get one more and

1384
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,360
walk what's going on? You said? Oh sorry, just just

1385
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,599
just one. I just needed one more, just a little boost.

1386
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:32,840
And what we're gonna do with them? While will you

1387
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,320
just kill them? And so it was. It was a

1388
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,159
dark episode, I think because they had to do some

1389
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:42,480
stuff with Dent. Maybe again that's why maybe the villains

1390
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,719
are a bit weaker in this one, like Automatic Pie.

1391
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,400
Where that one had okay, you got a lot of

1392
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,559
the Gordon Barber hitman stuff. This also had a lot

1393
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,480
with hey, you know, people are after Dent and where

1394
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:54,559
he's gonna get some you know, acid into the face

1395
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:57,480
and everything like that. So still a good episode, but

1396
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:00,800
I think, like I said, still probably like target maybe

1397
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,000
in the bottom half for.

1398
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:07,559
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, I I was. This is another one that

1399
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:10,119
kind of caught me off, or caught me and caught

1400
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:12,280
me off. It caught me by surprise with how dark

1401
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,000
it really went of just like abducting these children, these

1402
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,599
like lost orphans and then just slurping the life right

1403
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,639
out of them. It Uh, it was really creepy and

1404
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:23,320
like one that I feel like if I saw as

1405
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,159
a young and like, it probably would have freaked me out,

1406
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:27,519
just the way that she like lures these kids in.

1407
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:30,519
It's like, oh, like, yeah, I saw him yesterday, Let's go.

1408
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:32,199
I think he's in this back room, Like, let's go

1409
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:34,480
see him. And it's just like that idea, Like just

1410
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,039
getting chills thinking about it right now. It's I think

1411
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,000
it's just a really creepy concept. And I feel like

1412
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:42,760
circuses in general just always freaked me out as a kid,

1413
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,800
just the carnies and just whatever darkness goes on in there.

1414
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:48,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1415
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: But I like the character of nocturn.

1416
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,519
Speaker 1: Un as the character, Yeah.

1417
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't know, I figured she was gonna

1418
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:01,480
have some sort of super hour. Just the way that

1419
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,519
she was drawn. She was reminding me of like Raven

1420
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:06,679
from like Teen Titans. Yeah, just like her dark aesthetic,

1421
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,679
but much darker character than than that hero. So yeah,

1422
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,639
I like that. I don't really have too much more

1423
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:18,920
to say other than it was just really creepy episode.

1424
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,039
Bruce Wayne gets fucked up by the bearded lady. That

1425
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,239
was kind of funny. Yeah, and then yeah he calls

1426
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,679
Alfred and yeah, just just more moments of I haven't

1427
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:31,920
really been like shouting them out throughout all these episodes,

1428
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,960
but like all the Bruce Wayne moments I really really like.

1429
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:37,360
I guess you kind of highlighted when whatever episode it was,

1430
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,639
when he's talking to Harvey and kind of switches his voice.

1431
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:43,679
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's I think it's coming up.

1432
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,760
Is it not? Is it it's one of it's either

1433
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,800
eight or nine, because I can't remember if it's when

1434
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:54,440
he takes with him. Yeah, great idea, Yeah that's and

1435
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:55,800
it was one of these episodes. I can't remember when

1436
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,320
you got a flashback. I did, because we got, of

1437
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,440
course the parents stuff and everything I did creepily like

1438
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:06,159
that Bruce Wayne parents dead. He's quiet the whole time

1439
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,480
and then just wakes Elfred up in the middle of

1440
01:06:08,519 --> 01:06:10,440
fucking midnight. She's like, I'm gonna make them pay, and

1441
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,880
it's like who he's like all of them and this

1442
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,639
kid is like, right to fucking destroy every criminal known

1443
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:17,760
to Gotham.

1444
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: And you're gonna help me.

1445
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like and that's like what you're talking about earlier,

1446
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,719
where they're still like friendly, but it's much more of

1447
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,239
a employee, like almost James bonding h like Q situation.

1448
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,880
Versus like, oh, this is my father figure. It feels

1449
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,960
more like a respectful man that looked up for me.

1450
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,559
But uh yeah, these two I'm just gonna put together

1451
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:38,360
because we just talk about Harvey Dent and the last

1452
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,920
episodes altogether. After Harvey Dent's and incident, both Batman and

1453
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,320
Bruce Wayne must work to stop the Diana's quest for

1454
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,480
the Wrong Sword, Justice and Savage Night, the attempt on

1455
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:50,039
Barbara Gordon and Batman to keep Harveydent safe until he

1456
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,559
testifies in court, and lead to an all out ward

1457
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:56,000
of Gothlain heroes and film. So this is where it's

1458
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:59,760
I like the ending. I like when he became to face.

1459
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,320
I don't mind split personality two face. That even happens

1460
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,320
in the nineties series. There's there's many versions of like

1461
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:08,840
is he a good guy and then turns bad? Is

1462
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,960
he a guy that's shady and then that push him

1463
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,440
over the edge? Is he a guy that's good and

1464
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:16,320
split personality? Harvey didn't has a lot of routes, and

1465
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,039
I think they did try to take another route here,

1466
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:20,480
But for me, the problem was I just didn't like

1467
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:21,880
it in the first half of the season being this

1468
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,280
really like kind of slimy, da sort of guy. I

1469
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,559
would have just wished they made him shady, and then

1470
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,800
I would have liked it more. He's trying to get justice,

1471
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,760
but he might be going about it in a way

1472
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,239
that's not clean cut. But even Batman says like, oh well,

1473
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,639
at the end of the day, he's trying to do

1474
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,760
good for the city, right. But I just didn't like

1475
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,239
his interactions with Barbara and Bruce, and I didn't at first.

1476
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,239
When Bruce goes out to dinner with him, I'm like, oh,

1477
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,719
are they actually friends? I did like because Bruce even

1478
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:54,239
admits it in the finale super and because Alfred says like,

1479
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:55,760
you shouldn't have done that. Bruce like, it doesn't matter.

1480
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,599
I get a job done. When Harvey' said his accident

1481
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:00,719
and he just takes him out, he takes him out

1482
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,360
just to press him for information, not because he cares

1483
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,119
about him. But before Bruce reveals that, I was like,

1484
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:08,920
I just don't want to buy why Bruce would care

1485
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,159
about this guy. And then they revealed they didn't, so

1486
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:14,280
I think I just he just came off as and

1487
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,119
even the guy voice, it just can't kind of came

1488
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:18,800
off as like a bit too cheesy. At times in

1489
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,520
the first half the season. So I just didn't care

1490
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,359
for him as much and I didn't buy I think

1491
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:26,239
I just because it was all about him becoming mayor

1492
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:27,720
and then when he's losing points, he's like, well, I

1493
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,279
gotta turn in the mob. I just didn't buy the

1494
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,199
whole You know what, this is a new type of

1495
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,439
justice I gotta do. Where's something like the Dark Knight.

1496
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,079
It shows this guy trying to do justice. He fails.

1497
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,079
Fuck it, I'm gonna kill people or do mycense of justice.

1498
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,479
I just felt like the first half the show didn't

1499
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,720
give me that Harvey dent and kind of gave him,

1500
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,239
just made him goofy. So that's why I was interested

1501
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:49,840
when he was two faced was gonna happen, But it

1502
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,800
felt like they made him classic two face of well,

1503
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,119
you're a criminal, I'm gonna flip the coin. And so

1504
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,760
there's things I like and don't like. I did like

1505
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:01,720
the finale portion of he's decide he's going to testify.

1506
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,880
I like that he's slipping in and out. He'll sometimes

1507
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,760
just get mad at Barbera and almost call it like

1508
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,800
a bitch and everything like. I like that it was

1509
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,359
kind of there and I like the idea of we

1510
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,079
just got to get him from point A to point B.

1511
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,680
I thought it was a good finale, and Harvey is

1512
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,359
a good guy that does make a sacrifice, so he

1513
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,439
has like a redemption arc in a way. So I

1514
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,479
gues said, I think I like the back half of it.

1515
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,359
Just the beginning, I wasn't a fan of the Harvey character,

1516
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,079
so that's where I was. But I thought the finale

1517
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:31,039
was good and it was like the I think really

1518
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:35,520
the the melding of Gordon Batman trusting each other because

1519
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,479
he says that like, if you're here for two more minutes,

1520
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,319
I'm gonna have to arrest you, so you bare leaves.

1521
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,039
I think it was finally showing Okay, I can trust

1522
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:44,359
this guy. So I think a good ending to the series.

1523
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,680
Just had some hiccups with Harvey Dent there.

1524
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think judging the character as a

1525
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:56,039
whole for the show, I did really like it. I

1526
01:09:56,039 --> 01:09:59,199
think there was some moments that I kind of you know,

1527
01:09:59,319 --> 01:10:02,319
slipped the tongue minor spoilered and the pre thoughts, but

1528
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:06,119
of just him like snapping really quickly. I thought was

1529
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:10,000
a little abrupt, but I didn't mind him being like

1530
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:15,039
that super kind of slimy asshole mayor mayoral candidate and

1531
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,439
almost borderline like I don't know threatens the right word,

1532
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,920
but like like almost say like you should rethink your

1533
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,880
things because when I'm in charge, like we're gonna be

1534
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,720
running it this way. Like like he it seems like

1535
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,399
he has that type of attitude at early portions of

1536
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,079
the show, but I did like how kind of before

1537
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:37,000
he gets poisoned or face acid, whatever the hell he gets,

1538
01:10:38,039 --> 01:10:40,640
like before he becomes two face, he is kind of

1539
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,640
like he's getting tested on his on his moral ethics,

1540
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,760
and I think he is passing in those moments, right,

1541
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,600
Like he does actually choose to push charges on the

1542
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,359
guy that the mob boss wanted to. He wanted Dent

1543
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,600
to just drop all charges, but he didn't. He like

1544
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,920
actually did the right thing and like stuck through it

1545
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,239
even when it would have been. The previous episode, when

1546
01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:06,720
he's at the carnival and the ladies like wanting him

1547
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,359
to or like telling him that she's like looking for

1548
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:09,760
the children, He's like, I don't got time for this.

1549
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes and deals.

1550
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,520
Speaker 2: He goes and deals with the mob boss, but then

1551
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,199
he comes back and he and he's like he's like apologizing.

1552
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:19,560
He's like, oh really, like they're not back, Like to me,

1553
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,319
that shows that like there actually is some good guy

1554
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:26,880
in there, and I think of those two. But like

1555
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:28,920
it also makes sense why he would be a split

1556
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,600
character because he, like for most of the show he

1557
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,680
was the slimy prick, but like in those moments they

1558
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,159
at least show that. And then when he gets the acid,

1559
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:39,239
he like snaps right away, but then he does the

1560
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:42,239
hero sacrifice one with Barbara. So I think although it

1561
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:47,800
wasn't like it, I think I liked how it how

1562
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,960
it ended with him, but like maybe just the execution

1563
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:53,720
along the way. It wasn't that pristine, but it was

1564
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,560
still good enough for me that because I like, yeah,

1565
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,359
in the finale when he's handcuffed to Barbara, I really

1566
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:04,439
like pretty much all those moments when he's like almost

1567
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,960
threatening her that like like like yeah, like like almost

1568
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,159
punching her, knocking her out, and she's just like staring

1569
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:11,760
at him like are you really gonna hit me? And

1570
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,760
he's just like breaking down, like you can't do this,

1571
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,600
Like they're gonna kill me, They're gonna kill you, Like

1572
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,319
like please just just just leave me alone. But then

1573
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:22,520
there's moments that he's like snapping and being like the

1574
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,239
evil side of Two Face. So I did like the

1575
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:27,159
complexity of him there. I did like how he made

1576
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:31,159
the hero sacrifice at the end. I really assumed he

1577
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:32,920
was just gonna be a straight up like super villain

1578
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,560
as soon as he got the ASCID, So I did

1579
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,319
like how it wasn't that simple.

1580
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he kind of with the way

1581
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,479
they were doing Dent and two Faces at the end,

1582
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,840
he kind of had to die because he was he

1583
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,439
had his like almost full villain episode nine and then

1584
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,800
and Tenny was trying to do good. He was still

1585
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:50,600
breaking with his personality. But then I think it would

1586
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,800
just feel redundant of like, okay, he's around the season

1587
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,479
two he breaks down, he's just a villain again, Like

1588
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,920
I think I may maybe I almost w loved it.

1589
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,319
This was like, uh, I guess it's kind of a

1590
01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:02,000
three part I feel like would Nocturn they did try

1591
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,279
to do. It's like a x M ninety seven, like

1592
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:07,079
the Life Death like half an episode thing, So I

1593
01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:09,239
think it's two and a half. So maybe this is

1594
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:11,960
one that I'm excited to whenever I rewatch this, and

1595
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:14,239
kind of know the whole story, feel how it goes.

1596
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:16,199
But I think I was fine with the death, and

1597
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,960
I also liked the more realistic type of burn, you know,

1598
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:20,840
just like it's just more of his skin melted.

1599
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: So I didn't like the look.

1600
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: No, you know, yeah, lots of people don't. It's like

1601
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,359
it's a very creepycaive.

1602
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's creepy, and I think that's why I don't

1603
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:30,840
like it, Like it is effective, but I think I

1604
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,520
prefer the more like full burn looks like a Tommy Lee,

1605
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:41,560
I think honestly. Actually, I guess like the Arkham Games

1606
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:42,680
have a good version as well.

1607
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:43,199
Speaker 1: Yeah they do.

1608
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying. I feel like I have another animated

1609
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:46,920
version of him in my head.

1610
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it's well, there's a blue one from the nineties

1611
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,760
where his face is like blue for some reason white hair.

1612
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,520
Speaker 2: Is that the animated series?

1613
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the nineties, Yeah, yeah, that one.

1614
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,359
Speaker 2: That's that's the iconic one from the look in my mind,

1615
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,760
and I can see what's just very different, whereas the

1616
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,159
other one's just kind of droopy. It looks a little yeah, And.

1617
01:14:07,119 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: I could see why they didn't do it for that one,

1618
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,640
because like, well, some people working on that did that one.

1619
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,359
So it's changing up a little bit, you know, So

1620
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:15,199
I could see why they went for this type of

1621
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:18,840
look here, yeah for sure. Yeah, and then that was

1622
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,720
gonna be their whole thing where if they got Dent,

1623
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,920
he was gonna give a bunch of cops city officials

1624
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,760
that was linked back to Thorn. That would have been

1625
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,880
the way to take them down, say not say the city,

1626
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,560
but at least get this big crime boss off that

1627
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,640
Batman did not complete. But as we said, Dent gets killed,

1628
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,159
so there goes the number one witness. So again for me,

1629
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:36,279
the two things that get set up where I love

1630
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:39,399
the shot of Thorns on the phone, just shitty eating grannies.

1631
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,520
Oh yeah, I'm run the streets now, and then through

1632
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,600
the window battering comes just scrape a cheek. Yeah, just

1633
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:50,399
imagine if he miscalculated and he fucker killed them, and

1634
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,840
like they find the battering in his head, like I

1635
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,600
thought this guy was a killer. Like but and then

1636
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,319
they kind of do an homage to the Many Dark

1637
01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:01,439
Knight Batman the I made series, because that's a thing

1638
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,479
where he's stand on the roof and the lightning comes down.

1639
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,600
But to me, that was a good of Okay, we've

1640
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,520
gone a journey Batman. He's done some crime, but he couldn't,

1641
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,720
you know, win everything. But it is like, okay, I'm

1642
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,640
I'm coming for you, like you're my main goal coming up.

1643
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,119
So I like that was a good stare down and

1644
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:18,760
then I was wondering. I was like, oh, is that

1645
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,239
gonna be? It fades the black, not a complete end

1646
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,239
credit scene, but then it fades back up. We get

1647
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:26,560
a shack. Second, I saw a shack in the middle

1648
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,079
of nowhere. I'm like, oh, that's my fucking boy in there.

1649
01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:31,560
And then we hear some kind of cackling going on.

1650
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,760
We go across the room and this is where not

1651
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,760
a full episode, but this is where it was more

1652
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,520
again Harley Quinn Clay face, where this is like the

1653
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:41,800
Riddler's Serial Killer Matt Reeves stuff. We get to see

1654
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,399
all these people tied up in a chair and they

1655
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:46,039
all have variations of their white and their face are

1656
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:48,239
smiling and stuff, and we get this one guy that's

1657
01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:51,119
laughing and they last the stuff to death and they

1658
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:54,199
turn over and of course it's the Joker and he

1659
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,800
says perfect, So two things that we'll all three things.

1660
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,840
One I'm happy because like, yeah, Jokers are on the season.

1661
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:01,880
I'm happy like season two, so yeah, we're gonna get

1662
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,920
to the Joker, which feels good because like, hey, season one,

1663
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,720
here's some different films than two. We're gonna get at

1664
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,720
least one episode of the big main Bad. I really

1665
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,159
liked this idea of he's like experimenting with the laughing gas,

1666
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:17,760
like we're seeing him like all these people like test subjects,

1667
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,640
and then this guy works like oh perfect. And two,

1668
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,560
I just liked the voice was like a deeper, darker Joker.

1669
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,439
It was like a high pitched wine, and that's where

1670
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,319
I think the show needs to go those routes. So this,

1671
01:16:29,399 --> 01:16:31,960
to me, that was like the chills, and I was like, okay,

1672
01:16:32,279 --> 01:16:34,760
between the thorn aspect Joker, I don't care if it

1673
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,600
was just one episode. I was very I think that's

1674
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,279
a smart and I think Joker is a smart way

1675
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:40,840
to end because I think they gets people back for

1676
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,399
season two, like oh man, hearing a Batman a Joker.

1677
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:45,840
But it looked like already It's like okay, this feels

1678
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,920
like it is gonna be a different version of Joker,

1679
01:16:48,119 --> 01:16:52,359
more on the scary level. So I loved the kind

1680
01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:55,479
of just alludes to what we're gonna get in season two,

1681
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,039
which is confirmed that happens. So I thought was a

1682
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:00,199
perfect way in the show and I needed more immediately.

1683
01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:03,039
Speaker 2: So yeah, one hundred percent. As soon as they heard

1684
01:17:03,079 --> 01:17:06,520
the cackles, I knew it was the Big j But

1685
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,359
I was very thrown off by, Like, I think the look,

1686
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,399
it's like, okay, that that looks. I mean, you don't

1687
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,000
see the whole body. It's just kind of like the

1688
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:17,520
face shot, or it's not even the full face shot. Actually,

1689
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,199
it's like a little little piece of his eyes that

1690
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:21,720
you see with a little bit of mouth in there.

1691
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: Don't even see the hair.

1692
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see the hair, that's right, So, like,

1693
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,159
is this him pre pre makeup? Uh and hair? I

1694
01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:30,560
don't know.

1695
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I think that I think he

1696
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,800
had the white skin. I think some of the original

1697
01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:37,520
drawings of the Joker his hair wasn't that green, so

1698
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,079
they might kind of go with just like a tinge

1699
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:41,880
of green instead of like the full just yeah, which

1700
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,680
I think would already fit with this world a bit

1701
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,279
more than just the very very bright green.

1702
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 2: So, especially judging on like Harley's outfit. Yes, not that

1703
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,920
I'm saying those two characters are like super combined at

1704
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,479
least right now, but just judging on that, I would

1705
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,800
imagine be kind of a similar aesthetic. But yeah, I

1706
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,000
for me, I feel like the biggest takeaway is the voice,

1707
01:18:04,039 --> 01:18:06,640
Like it just was so different than any Joker that

1708
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,399
I've heard, and a lot there there has been a

1709
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:12,359
lot of different versions of the Joker that kind of

1710
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:14,920
like I don't know, we'd call it like a like

1711
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,479
a like a.

1712
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:23,079
Speaker 1: Weasley ye, Like it's yeah, it's supposed to be the

1713
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,640
exact opposite of Batman, right where he's always down here

1714
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,479
and then Joker is up here. But this is like

1715
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,279
a Joker that's also down here. So it's like, okay,

1716
01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:32,560
that that's gonna be fun.

1717
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,199
Speaker 2: So and like it's I feel like for me it's scary.

1718
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:37,760
It's scary because it is just so different, and like

1719
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,039
what is this Joker really gonna be all about? So

1720
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:45,399
I am really intrigued to get that. Yeah, no, it's

1721
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,119
it's gonna be good. And I with his experiments too,

1722
01:18:49,239 --> 01:18:52,640
like I just imagine it's gonna be pretty pretty disturbing.

1723
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: And there's a fun detective tale too. He's he'll looking

1724
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,640
like where the chemicals came from? Seeing victims like that,

1725
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,920
he mightn't find the shack. So I'm very interested what

1726
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,600
they do with a joker coming up, So I think

1727
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,800
it's a great way to go.

1728
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,239
Speaker 2: So there was one moment I forgot to shout out earlier.

1729
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:13,439
I can't remember the episode, but it's when Batman picks

1730
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,319
up like a six shooter and shoots at Flatinale.

1731
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,520
Speaker 1: Okay, because it's right after because he shoots Flass is

1732
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,840
one that kills Dent. I think they make it seem

1733
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,640
like he's gonna kill him, but he just does the

1734
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:28,399
silhouette of him.

1735
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, that, Like, I just I don't think I've

1736
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,159
ever seen Batman use a gun, so it was kind

1737
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:35,079
of just weird to have him holding like he's us

1738
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:39,920
a gun. Okay, yeah, you're right, maybe the six shooter.

1739
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,680
I've never seen him six shooter like that. It Uh,

1740
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:46,800
it was strange because like the way he just picks

1741
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,840
it up and like walks at him as if he

1742
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,239
like killed his parents. I'm like, is this the guy? No,

1743
01:19:51,399 --> 01:19:54,000
that doesn't make sense. Flass wouldn't be he'd be way

1744
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,880
older if that was actually the case. And then yeah,

1745
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,960
he just shoots around him and then he like talk

1746
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,920
this is the gun away in like a really dramatic fashion.

1747
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,119
I think it was just kind of a strange sequence

1748
01:20:05,159 --> 01:20:07,560
for me, like why he would go through that, because

1749
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,279
it's not like he like like in hind Like, I

1750
01:20:11,279 --> 01:20:12,840
don't think he was ever at a moment of like

1751
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,439
I'm gonna fucking kill this guy because he killed Dent.

1752
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,479
Like it just it was strange for me for why

1753
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:17,960
he did that.

1754
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: I think there was some little PTSD. It's always yeah,

1755
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,640
bouncing around the brain, you know.

1756
01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:29,319
Speaker 2: I did like the like the like Alfred points it

1757
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:33,760
out when Dent like switches that like he's worried that

1758
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,760
he's becoming too much the Batman, and like like just

1759
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,359
that struggle that he has. I do like when that's

1760
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,399
kind of like a pressing thing that Bruce has to

1761
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,399
deal with. I did like that they highlighted that. But

1762
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:48,760
I don't know, like it just it was just weird.

1763
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,920
I think, like I don't know, maybe I'm not thinking

1764
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:51,640
too much about it.

1765
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, final thoughts and rating.

1766
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 2: Kirk One Final thoughts. Yeah, I thought the show was

1767
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,079
just damn well near perfect. I think I like some

1768
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:05,880
episodes maybe minorly less, but like like I can really

1769
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,239
only pick like maybe one or two episodes that I

1770
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:09,960
thought were a little bit less than the others, and

1771
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,880
like all of them were just We're just stellar. I

1772
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,640
love the opening, I love our side characters. I love

1773
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,960
our Batman. The voice threw me off at first, like

1774
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,199
the first episode, It's like, Okay, this isn't Oh my gosh,

1775
01:21:24,199 --> 01:21:27,000
what's the Conroy. Yeah it's not. It's not Conroy. And

1776
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:29,840
just because he's always kind of always been that voice, yeah,

1777
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,800
it it sounds different, But I think this chap did

1778
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,119
a fantastic job. Like by episode two, like I was

1779
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:41,359
just totally sold on it. Yeah, so yeah, I thought

1780
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:43,880
the voice was fantastic. I love this world that we're in,

1781
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,600
and I really really really love Batman with this this

1782
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,680
uh this time period. It's it's really fitting and just

1783
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,960
like even like our actual detectives with their like trench

1784
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,199
coats and fedoras, Like I just such a sucker for

1785
01:21:57,279 --> 01:22:01,119
like this type of like crime detective like story, so

1786
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:04,239
pairing Batman in there. And I love that suit too,

1787
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:05,920
Like I feel like that's the suit I had as

1788
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,399
like a little kid when I like dressed up as

1789
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,439
Batman by Halloween, just like the classic like gray but

1790
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,720
like it doesn't seem cheesy because it just fits the

1791
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,279
world so well. And yeah, like when he's standing like

1792
01:22:18,279 --> 01:22:20,960
behind Barbo, when he like sneaks into those into her

1793
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,039
office and he's just like the silhouette, Like the look

1794
01:22:24,119 --> 01:22:28,319
is just so goddamn good. I love this style of Batman.

1795
01:22:28,359 --> 01:22:32,520
It's definitely the more classic style of like the og stuff.

1796
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,760
But yeah, no, like ten a ten show, I think

1797
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,680
this is great. Best I have to think about it.

1798
01:22:41,159 --> 01:22:44,279
Probably it's up there for best show of the year.

1799
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know I'm gonna make that list, so

1800
01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:47,680
I don't forget at the end of the year like

1801
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,880
every time I do. But you know, I follow you

1802
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,479
there at the ten. I think if I looked at

1803
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,159
just purely critical, maybe I go like a nine point

1804
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:57,560
five because I have some Greeks there some of the animation,

1805
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,960
but like there's it's like what I said earlier, just

1806
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,600
the good stuff is too outweighed by the nitpicks and

1807
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,680
stuff I have, and this is just a show where

1808
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,960
it's like, yeah, just do that, keep doing that. Like

1809
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,479
I've said, I think I already said it in the

1810
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,520
opening or whatnot. It's just if it's in for me,

1811
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,439
like a best of five adaptions. That's kind of the

1812
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,079
ballpark there, Like, there's not much more I can say

1813
01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:21,359
that kind of shows. Okay, that's what I thought think

1814
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:22,720
of it. So now this is a show that I'll

1815
01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:25,439
return to a lot, and it's definitely gonna be like

1816
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,399
a good think fall dark Halloween type of show as

1817
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:30,960
well too, not that it's all Halloween, but just that

1818
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,640
type of vibe. So yeah, no, I don't know. They

1819
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,920
haven't said one. Season two is happening, but thank you

1820
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,399
Kurkling for joining me on this one. This is a

1821
01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:40,079
good one. Talk about it. Yeah, it was a fun watch.

1822
01:23:40,079 --> 01:23:41,760
I'm glad. I'm glad it wasn't like a oh man,

1823
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,119
this was really shitty and they could have had done

1824
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:47,399
this and stuff. So like even our critiques, they're more minor.

1825
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,319
But yeah, dropping the discord or wherever, let us know

1826
01:23:50,399 --> 01:23:52,760
what you thought about it. And uh yeah, I'm not

1827
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,840
sure what the next Batman content will be, but whatever

1828
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,960
it is, I guess the Penguin in September, so check

1829
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,960
out that. We'll be back for that. Hopefully we talk

1830
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,920
as highly about the penguin as we do this show.

1831
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:03,199
So until then, it will not be born.

1832
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:04,359
Speaker 2: Goodbye.