Speaker 1: Hellllo, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to a review for
Batman the Caped Crusader. I am the clown Prince of
podcast trust now and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: You know how long I have been waiting for this.
Speaker 1: Still everything works, it works. No, it's good anytime for
Batman that works. But yes, Lesiam, we are here to
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and the wrestling guys just reviewed SummerSlam and then we
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that's a big, three big reviews happening in a span
of twenty four hours. But that's what we do here
at geek First. But this is one that's very, at
least for myself, anticipating, and I think this was anticipated
once Kirkland saw that trailer. I would agree that yeah,
because we never we never announced it. We wanted to
be ran a time, not that's a sequel, but we
want to do a similar thing of watching the original
Batman animated series before this. But once it was confirmed
that this in ninety seven, where the or X ninety
seven are the same year, it's okay, we'll choose one
the other and X men happen and then that's just life, right.
So I think at some point in the future we
will do that. I'm hoping, uh, who knows, maybe the
batmanbe twenty twenty six, when the Batman comes out, that
might be a good time to dip our toes in
some bat Universe stuff. But so one day. But luckily
it ended up being not so much like a sequel,
just a spiritual successor so it's not like you had
to watch anything or whatnot. So you can go in
this cold. We're gonna give our overall thoughts, non spoil reviews,
and then we'll get in to spoys. We're gonna kind
of go episode by episode, not a full breakdown every episode,
but just kind of use that as our guide because
it's it's the show is like it has it's like
a oh God, it's a procedural in a way where
it's always like a new crime, new film, but there's
still like some through line through the show, so that's
where we'll kind of use that as we're going along.
But yeah, this show, i'd have to look. I think
it was announced the same year that Batman came out,
I think two years ago, because I think they announced
Matt Reeves was a producer, and obviously JJ one of
the only things JJ helped executive produced over there at
his time at Warner Brothers. But yeah, this has been
a long time in the making. Lots of Batman fans excited.
So kirklar Miss start with you. As far as you
didn't see Batman animated series, this is I know we've
probably told about other Batman, a lego Batman, this and that,
but this is like a more serious take of send
the forties, a very detective style, kind of very noir type.
It's not black and white, but it may as well
be at times. It has that feel, very different style.
So what was your thoughts on all episodes the entire
season one of Caped Crusader.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, you know, I got some I got
some decent history with Batman. Oh like just mostly the movies.
Speaker 1: I talking too much.
Speaker 2: Did a cast with them? Actually did the the Game
of Throw or The House the Dragon Finance.
Speaker 1: Almost had him on this one. Wouldn't do it. He
wouldn't do it. Oh, by the way, wait before he continue,
I have to do answer to the cliffhanger that we
gave the House Dragon fans.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's Taylor's.
Speaker 1: So Taylor was originally gonna be on this, and this
is why I gave up on him, because he's also
very busy the twenty twelve Golden Geeks peeled to choose things.
But anyway, so we're at the beach today, kirkann make
because he's working on his house. So Tip's talking to me.
He's like, oh, have you I don't know what it's called,
but something, gentlemen, you've seen that movie preview with Henry
Cavill and Alan Rickman. It's like a Richmond It's like
a bunch of Jack guys and they're on it like
it's a spy guy Richie movie in a way or
anything like I think you'd see it. But anyway, so
it came out earlier this year and it's on Amazon,
and because I've been watching, I don't know, maybe because
back in keep Ersader they kept previewing and other times
it was Amazon kept previewing, like, all, this movie is
coming out this week this Friday on Amazon. Say it's like, oh,
have you seen, uh, you know, this movie whatever, The Gentleman,
And I'm like, oh, no, I haven't, uh where we're
even watching that. He's, oh, you know, just I think
it's on Amazon or something like that. Oh, so why
aren't you watching The Batman. Oh yeah, I'm gonna get it.
I'm gonna get to it. So literally this morning he
threw on a movie on Amazon that just premiered and
not The Batman. So it's like, I don't trust when
this guy's gonna.
Speaker 2: Have been similar runtime too, to like the whole show,
I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it would half, well it's a little be
half yeah, at least now literally when you say it
that way, it's just two movies. It's an easy watch.
But like just that he were because I don't think
he knew that. I knew it was on Amazon, but
I had seen many ads saying this movie is coming
to Amazon on Fridays. So I was like, I can't
trust this man and make it. So maybe we'll hear
his thoughts in the future.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, maybe one day, but yeah, I got
some history with Batman, mostly like the movies when I
was younger, and then like I I probably had seen
like an episode or two of the animated series Batman.
Definitely Batman Beyond I remember watching just because that ot
fits like very iconic, and then of course like some
Justice League episodes. But like back then, I never really
watched it like week to week to like follow a story.
It's just like whatever would be on I would watch
the adventure for that week. So this would have been
the first time I actually experienced like a like a series,
I guess with with just Batman and yeah, as you
kind of laid out like, I think I had some interest,
especially just coming off of like the Batinson movie with
Matt Reeves. The knowing that he's an executive producer on
this one would have got me somewhat excited, but I
didn't really have like a lot of nostalgia for it.
But that trailer, Man, that trailer was just so well made,
and yeah, definitely got me hyped. And this show man,
Holy shit, what an adventure this was. I think this
is just like such a fantastic Batman story to even
just start like your Batman adventure, like like it. It
shows a lot of like kind of origin stuff with
with Bruce Wayne, like you got the classic flashback you
get with almost every Batman story, but it's not like
that is the story. It's just like that this this
this big cloud that sticks with him, which is a
big character moment, So it makes sense why they had
had it there. But even just introducing certain characters, it
was cool to have some characters already kind of have
a presence in the universe that that was felt. But
then also there is other ones that it's this is
like their inception into that world and the origin of it.
And I feel like something the show does so well
is make Gotham really feel like like the villain, like
like the city itself. There's not really any one villain
that is like, Okay, that's the main boss of this show.
It's just it's just the threat of what Gotham is
and the corruption, and there's a lot of like goons
and just like mob boss type threats that that are
felt throughout this but they still feel dangerous, They still
feel like they have a major grip on the city
and like Batman can't just solve that problem. And I
feel like that is the way that they pull that
off was just was just so impressive to me because
I feel like because I've you know, gone through my
live action Batman adventures and some comic runs that we
went through with comic book versions. Hopefully return to that
soon at some point when our schedule clears up, but it's.
Speaker 1: Got you juice them for some Batman comics.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now I am like just just paired up with
all of our villains and even just the different versions
of villains that they had in here.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming some swings for like the the I think
I know which one. There's one in particular I should
actually look up. I'm sure it's based on There's one
that I'll say it's the Blue villain that is like
one that's like fall. I don't think it's been used
for quite a while. But the one of the Carnival.
That's one where I'm like, this is a deep cup
for me. I don't even know what this character is,
but I think they are all like, hey, let's use
this character. But I'll get some Wikipedia ready for that
one particular, because I was like Gweno's asking, I'm like,
I don't know on this one. We're gonna have to
We're gonna have to wait and see, Like it's definitely
not when say Adams, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, because that's what I was gonna say, Like,
I'm sure there is some I guess comic book like
inspiration maybe character or part of me the versions of
a character pulled from like a certain comic book run,
but like a lot of this just felt very original
to me, whether it was like the Penguin character, even
like Harley Quinn, like that version of the characters. Yes, okay, yeah,
I really dug it, Like I even even Catwoman, Like
it felt like a really early version of that character,
but because I haven't seen that original comic book book
run of that character, it just was such like a
breath of fresh air with that with that character. I
love Selena Kyle as a character, and I like the
versions that I've seen her portray in the past, but
they all kind of have been pretty similar, whereas this
one it felt it felt very old school and I
really really dug it. It really really was a fun
just watch, Like I was completely hooked. I think I
told you off cast that like the first time I
threw this, it was like ten o'clock at night and
I'm like, oh man, this is so good, let's throw
one more episode on. It was like twelve thirty. It
was like on a Thursday, I'm like, fuck, I gotta
go to bed, but like I just want to keep
watching these adventures and uh yeah, really really well done
with I mean we're gonna go episode by episode. I
feel like I could just rattle off all these things
I love through this episode. But like Batman as a whole,
and even just the way that Bruce Wayne is portrayed
in the show was was really really interesting for me.
I really love the dynamic between him and Alfred because
it's a very different one that I've seen in the past,
where like it it really like every version of Alfred
and the Wayne dynamic that I've seen. They're like family
and they are family, but like they just like Bruce
never really sees him as like like a servant, I
feel like until this show where like he like snaps
at him it's like dude, Like I'm not paraphrasing, but
like it's still a lineup like do your job and
like don't question me, like you are my like I'm
your boss, and you know, it's that moment at the
end that he doesn't call him Pennyworth calls him Alfred.
That's a nice little growing up moment. But yeah, I
thought this was really, really really good show. And uh yeah,
like I mean, I'm I'm I know somewhat of your
thoughts because I talk to you, you know, on GVDA
for it, But just being like a Batman fan, like
I'm curious what the hardcore fans were feeling about this one,
because I absolutely loved it. I think it's just I
think it's a fantastic telling of a Batman story, and
I personally think it would be a great place to
start of like recommending someone like a Batman story, if
you know, maybe they'd seen like one movie. It's like,
do you have any like Batman content to recommend me
for just more of him? And definitely I would recommend
this show because the vibe too, like the setting fits
so well, Like I'm kind of surprised that we haven't
gotten more of this like like time piece type Batman story.
I guess you would.
Speaker 1: Call it I would love them to do in the movies.
I wonder if the audience would go for it. I
think that's always just them being scared, right, and that's why.
Mostly this version is the version that's becoming public domain,
So I'm very curious what's gonna happen with that, just
in general, And I think that could be a place
where it thrives because that it might be better on
a smaller scale for people, because maybe the general allience
do I need like a nineteen forty It's like, ultimately,
even the outfit what, right, it's the big long ears.
They didn't do the purple gloves. It's what he originally had.
But like it's a batsymbol on his chest. That's not
the symbol. So it's like it's a suit but it's
and it is close to the Batman and made series
where it is like I don't know what would it be.
It's not uh, it's not codner skin. I can't remember
what it would be. I guess it's just tights. But
there's a different word for it. But it is not
an armored suit, right, It's just cloth. It's just cloth, Yeah, exactly.
So it's just like it's if the guy's getting shot,
you know, so, but yeah, yes, my thoughts as a
hardcore fan fucking hate it. It was just so I
was very characters. Yeah, I look what they did the
Harley Quinn. There's no joker with her? Could you? It's
so woke. I can't believe that there's women kiss this.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I think one that was surprised. One thing that surprised
me was it was more mature. It's not like Radar,
but it was still more mature than I thought, and
they said it was gonna be. But I feel like
you hear that all the time. I go, it's you know,
it's a little more adult now. But it's like they
are dropping some cuss words if you have kids. In
episode one, it's not like a big deal, but they
do talk about a certain Christmas character and talk about
the the factualness of that character. And luckily my kids
I think didn't under like went over their heads. But
I still was like, oh no, like it's gonna be
the little show. Maybe I gotta be careful here. But
so it is more it feels similar to ninety seven,
where it's it's made for the age group of ninety
three that grew up on Batman. But it's like, okay,
now you need something a little bit older because you're
older now, right, So I think they hit that. I
think the time period fits because it is more of
that gangster aesthetic. Even though I'm surprised, especially it's say
in the back half of the season, how comic Bookie
they got because I out for one to five. It's
pretty similar to like The Batman or Nolan's Batman's where
it's like, okay, this is Batman in a real world.
There's some fantastical stuff, but this is all stuff you
could relatively see happening, right. People could put on these
costumes X, Y and Z. Then they will get to
there's episode where they just go right out the window
and the whole time Gwen was talking to me, I'm like, no,
I don't think it's going that round, and it's like,
oh no, we are just going that route. Like I
was very and they it's very nonchalant. It's not like
my world's changed. That's like, well, I guess I deal
with that now. It's like, okay, that's that's Batman. You know,
that's the classic. With prep time, He's just like I
can take on this. So no, I loved it. I
love the tone. Really was happy with hams Link later
as the voice. I thought he did a great job
of both as Bruce and Batman. I will get more
into it in nonspoys but I love that or in spoys,
but usually people have like there's the Wayne voice and
the Batman voice. Which was funny was when he was
Batman and Bruce Wayne with Alfred, it was the same voice,
but when out in public it was a new voice.
So it's almost like like people always say, right, his
real face is the mask and Bruce Wayne, or his
real face is the Batman mask and his true mass
was Bruce Wayne. So he felt like it was a
I really like that choice of any time he's Bruce
Wayne in public, he had like a fake voice, where
when he was Batman and Bruce Wayne in private, they
were kind of the same voice because people wouldn't hear
him naturally talk in like a more darker, deeper, gravelly tone.
And yeah, this is he definitely feels a bit more
like the not exactly Matt Reeves Batman as far as
like the the you know, the emo lone wolfness, because
he is in public he is the billionaire, but when
he's alone he feels much more direct and like, yeah,
you're talking about Elfred. There's even like a flashback to
him as a child, and he's a scary child Bruce Wayne,
like he comes off as very threatening and I won't
say a loose cannon, but also still in a way
where because you know he's a code, you know he's
out there for justice, but he just feels a bit
more pessimistic. And Batman is always pessimistic, but even to
the m degree, like I don't think this is a
Batman Like how at the end of Batman passes like, oh,
it's he learns about hope, right, I don't think this
Batman has learned that. Yeah, And that's like a pause
of you. I think he's still this is still also
in the early days. I don't think they really give
a time frame of how long Batman's been around. But
he's still like a urban myth when this show starts
that people don't know of him. So I love everything.
I love the score. I love the title credit sequences.
I wish it had a better like theme song, like
that's one thing about the ninety show it has like that,
like it has like there's just something to where I
love the look of the title sequence, but it doesn't
have a catchy tune. But the score overall just great
kind of vibes. It's perfect in there. Visuals for like
the most part are good. I think there's sometimes it
it's not exactly, but it gets close to archerisms, and
I don't I'm not a big fan of Archer So
that's where like sometimes like they give them certain line
aesthetics and I'm like, yeah, I don't love that, but
it also still kind of fits with the old timey look.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I like the color usage.
I think Batman looks fantastic, and a lot of the
villains as well, but some of the drawing of certain
characters they I don't know, it sounds harsh, but like
I don't want to say lazy, but like it just
seems it's pretty simple, you know, compared to some other
animations SOTU that I've seen, Like I think it's blocky,
like yeah, some people in suits look massive, like that Montoya,
I think that's her name, Detect. She looks huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's kind of similar to Peeple,
like that comparison with Invincible or sometimes that show looks
really good and then sometimes it just looks kind of cheap.
And as I do think the show at times looks
like that, not the whole time, but overall, like I've
minor and with this whole story with like, I love
what they did with all the characters. I think the
characters they chose, I think it's a good mix of
classic characters, classic characters with a spin or new care
not new, but characters that are not like they haven't
been seen in a Batman non comic thing in years.
Like one of the characters I won't spoil, like I
don't mind spoil, but it's like Nocturna, who that's the
little girl in the carnival episode. I think I've seen
her because as I see a picture of her, she's
an older woman's skin tight leather with the cleavage. So
I'm like, I think I've seen this character before. So
when it's a little girl, haven't seen that character before.
But that's where it's like even myself you asked me, oh,
who's Nocturnal, I'd be like, oh, I need to think
of that, and I probably might not even get it.
So that's why I like that they use characters that
I feel it's a good smart way and just we'll
get there when we talk about the part, you know,
the ending of this, but like this has already confirmed
for a season two, and I think they ended in
such a perfect way for two for not even just
like there's an end credit sort of thing, just the
setup of like I needed season two right now, of
like the last few moments, like oh man, the stage
is set for what's happening, and it doesn't feel like
when we talk about Acolyte, where it's like, oh, this
will feel complete to me, this feels complete, but I
want more where other shows maybe don't have that. This
was like the fine line of the stories complete, but
there's more. It's not a cliffhanger. It's not like I
don't feel justified. Of course I could get more in
other episodes or characters, but I feel like they all
have a good bounce in kind of a full circle moment,
and you know, I think it matches the hype because
this was pretty hyped going in. I think this is
one of the best. I'd have to make a list,
But as far as like adaptions not comic books wise,
it could be top five because I had definitely got
Batman task in there, I got the Batman, got the
Dark Knight. I guess you could just say Nolan trilogy
in general, but I think it's definitely in there. Probably
next would be the Arkham stuff and then that, so
it's it's up there. I think they did a phenomenal job.
I don't know if there'll be more than season two,
but this is a show like I could take one
hundred episodes of just give me him with different even
find the most b rate D level villain and just
put it in this aesthetic of if again, if you
like Batman as the detective, this is the show. I
don't think it's as because it's in the forties, so
he's not using tech. It's not like remember the Batman
where he has the eye thing and they're putting together
all like schematics and like oh here, put your finger here.
It's not that it's just boots on the ground, but
it's the vibe of a detective in the forties or
like a blade Runner noir tail of Okay, there's a
mystery and I gotta solve it, and I think again,
the run times all kind of work. We talked about
Disney Plus where they got some twenty six to twenty
eight minute episodes and you'll never feel fulfilled where this
all these episodes are around twenty four to twenty six minutes
and most of them like, Yeah, I feel like they
did a good start to finish journey, and I think
also helps some of those storylines go throughout the show.
All say is I won't spoiler it. I think the
only thing I did not love in the show was
Harvey Dent. In general, the back half of the show
I think won me over, but I think there's some
choices with that character. I think I know what they're
going for, but also just the voice choice I didn't
really like. So there's certain things were story wise, it
wouldn't be like a ten to ten, but there's things
that I like that. It's just it's kind of like
the pause is very very much away the minor naggers
as far as like maybe some animation and one character
thing with Harvey Dan and not one, not one moment,
just a few things they did with him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it definitely wasn't my favorite version that I've
seen of him, my favorite being the Dark Knight movie,
especially just like how the event of him becoming to face,
like what happens kind of afterwards. I feel like in
this the event happens when he becomes two face and
then like instantly he's just like a psycho and I'm
just like, really like this, this is quite a jump
I feel.
Speaker 1: And he's Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I did like the dynamic of him kind of fighting,
like the like the split I guess, split version of himself,
especially like like when he's interacting with Barbara. I did
like a lot of those moments. But I think just
like the quick switch was not really not really something
that I'm buying for, just like like how we get
to there, and it's just like, really, okay, I guess
we kind of have to just suspend whatever solid concrete
reasoning I need to get to this point. But well,
for him being like a mayor, a mayoral mayoral candidate,
I thought that's a fun idea. But he still felt
pretty slimy, which is a version of him that I
haven't really seen other than I guess, uh, Tommy Lee.
But by then he's like big two face already at
that point, like he's straight up villain. So yeah, I guess.
I guess what I can say is like, this is
probably the first time I've experienced Harvey Dent become two
face other than the Dark Knight version. So yeah, compared
to that, just wasn't really that well done, but I
don't know. I think there's probably more meat on that
bones for that character, but at least the origin of
it I wasn't really a big fan of. But everything
else I think I really they really did like love
I guess with uh, yeah, I never mind, we'll get there.
Never mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's sear your ad break and then we'll just
get write in a spoilers, So if you haven't watched it,
go watch it. We're gonna go episode B episode, So
maybe if you've only seen a couple episodes you can
listen for it. But I think we both recommend it
to various degrees, and definitely if you're not even Batman fan.
That's one where I did tell Dylan because he's like, oh,
I won't be on that review, won't get time for it.
But I said, like, it's he doesn't like most Batman stuff,
but he liked the Batman, so I said, like, this
isn't exactly like that, but I think it's more of
that type of tone. So that's why I said, like, oh, definitely,
I feel like if you like or Batman or you
just like, oh, like, even if you're the biggest fan,
I think it is one of those shows that transcends
where theory is Batman content, where I go, Okay, I
like this because I'm a Batman fan. But it's not
like I'm not telling Dilney has to go play Arkham Knight.
I love Arkham Night because oh, I'm a Batman fan.
It's great, but it's like, oh, if you've played Asylum,
that's probably the right route for you to go. So, uh,
we'll take an ad break and then we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: So let's see here.
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot that we had spoilers, so I
feel like I spoiled some things earlier. I apologize, Yeah,
a little on.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, you call it. We'll get there. But uh,
episode one was called In Treacherous Waters, Batman finds himself
in the middle of the turf war between rival crime
rosses Rupert Thorn and Penguin who in a series of
explosion rocks Gotham, which is funny or not funny. It's
fun because Rupert Thorn, he was a character created in
that Batman nineties animated series in the nineties, so it's
kind of fun where they said it's a spiritual successor
and he's crossed over. They've never done him in the movies.
He's just like a mob boss. But I thought this
episode one was just like a good table setter, not
in the way of like, oh, like like prepare for
next episode. Just felt like here's the state of Gotham,
here's the people on the board, and here's your type
of Batman. And then plus introducing like a flipped oswald
like Oswaldo or Oswaldah what was its like a waldough
like a generous swap penguin. I actually kind kind of
liked it because the whole idea of like the Iceberg lounge,
this being more of like a veguus kind of party
bar instead of like a mobster's bar. It was that
it was like in a guise of like oh, they're
singing and dancing and it's on a boat, which I
really liked that touch, like, oh that's cool. So I
thought for episode one, like a debut, I thought this
was probably the perfect episode to do. Oh say no,
they probably couldn't shift around, but I just thought they
hit all the notes they needed for hey, this is
this Batman, this world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, especially giving us right out the gate like
a very different version of a character that we have
a lot of experience with, especially like when they first
show Penguin, I guess at the start of this episode,
like it's just a silhouette and the glasses, and then
like the broom and it's like, Okay, Penguin is off
that guy. That's what we're that's we're doing here. And
then later on it's like like the female version of Penguin,
like singing like a cabaret style to like these these people,
I like, is that like penguins sister or something like
like like what's this? What are they doing here? And
then it's like, oh no, okay, they're really changing the character. So,
as you said, like the table set a comment, I
think that's perfect a word for it, because it really
just shows you right out the gate, like Okay, this
is gonna be like expect different versions of villains that
we've seen before. But yeah, I like shows Gotham. It's funny,
I said to you Off Castle, like I didn't even
know that this was actually the forties till the second episode.
I feel like I just didn't clue in. It's like, Okay,
this is just a style, like you know, people are
dressing this style. And because that's how.
Speaker 1: The nineties series was where it took place, like it
wasn't in the nine like they didn't specify, but it
was like present day. But there's a lot of like
things that look old school, much like that, like Burns Batman, right,
like those movies they take place in the eighties, but
they have like weird art deco and they had like
they on purpose, which I kind of like that they
and I think the Batman tries to do that a
little bit. I like that it's like it's not really
specified when it could take place. I liked it when
there's like a little bit of modern tech, but it's
like old school. But this is definitely more okay, this
is the full on forties and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, no cell phones or anything. So yeah, and
like just seeing Batman pop off, like you get the
classic you know, there's some crooks that are doing like
a shipment unload or something, and then and then the
big bat comes. And I love actually when Batman isn't
like established in the sense of like everyone knows who
the bad is. Like I like when it's this mysterious
entity out there of like they call it like a
thing instead of like a man. Like like, I just
love whenever it's it's the fear of what he is
that's just like really sending shivers down the spines of
some criminals out in Gotham. I love whenever we're in
that era. I think of Batman popping off, and that's
how it starts, and pretty much from start to finish
it is kind of that. Like obviously some of our
main players, like some cops and whatnot, know more about
him and are interacting with him more. They're not just
shooting right on site at least the people that are
interacting with him, like Barbara and oh my Goshim Gorton there, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, no. I I think it was just a
great table setter and also just like showing how dark
we're kind of going in the show, right, like like Penguin,
like she kills one of her sons right like, like
I was a favorite. I was not expecting that to
happen at all, And I like too, how just like
that actually wasn't the one that ratted around. And then
it's like the other guy's like, you gotta help me.
She's just gonna find out my brother. So it's like,
holy fuck, like this is this is a dark show already,
so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good mobs for stuff. And then I like
to get to that situation because I scrubbed through it
a little bit. I forgot about this, but it reminded
me of Batman begins when he gets the guy and
he has him in the rain, but he batgrapples the
guy and holds him over like the train tracks and
the ways of interrogating. So I think it's good one
showing you know how dark he is. But I did
like aspect of the mob of because it felt not
exactly like a scor says he good fell sort of thing,
but it has that type of vibe where you know
there are wise guys but can get serious. And I
like that they when Bruce Wayne is in like he's
at the Iceberg Lounge, so he's undercover as you know,
this idiot Bruce Wayne, and he falls in the water.
I love when he does that. Oh you know, uh,
it's not a party to fall the boat and Barbara
doesn't care and then says it's some other girls.
Speaker 2: They all like laugh, just repeats like the same line,
like right next to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but I like that he found that and
he used it to get away and then the next
thing later that's how they used to kill that son
because they just throw him a suitcase and just fill
it with something and then he's gone. And uh, yeah,
it's just showed that she is a brutal crime boss,
like she has her sons, but they feel like they're
more I don't know, objects of helping her out that.
I don't think there's actually much care there. So yeah
and yeah, no, I like Oswal though, like it's like
to me, it's like other than you. And then singing
wise like felt like what the penguin could have done,
you still could have had it as a male site
didn't bother me, you know. I like we also met
Jim Gordon and Barbara here. I liked that dynamic of
I don't think they're making Barbara a Backgirl superhero, so
it's like, what do you do. I'll make her a
lawyer or prosecutor, things like that gets her in the action,
gets her connected with their dad. So I thought that
was a good combo and I'm very happy in the show.
They didn't seem to do anything romantic with him and
back Girl because Bruce Tim has done that before and
I don't like Barbara and Bruce Wayne. It's just like
a yucky it's a yucky thing for me, and it's
killing joke, killing joke. Yeah he worked on that one. Yeah,
so uh is there and yeah, I guess we got
we met Rupert Thorn. That was again some of the
like I love the classic mob stuff when he shows
it to the party and it's like that the on
purpose in your face kind of threatening, but it's not
like it's like the wink win nudge nudge forer thing.
I was like them mom movies. So yeah, yeah, anything
else specifically for that first episode.
Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't say it earlier, but I love
the intro to the show. I watched it every time.
I did not skip it once. It's just very dark
and very detective, like you just see him like walking
through like the hallway and the Eli Noir. I don't
know why I said Elle Noir. I guess it's a game.
Speaker 1: I almost said that a couple I think as we
grew up with that game just advertise all the time.
Speaker 2: So the noir aesthetic of what it was, I could
totally believe that there'd be a black and white version
out there for the show. Like, I think it really
really fits. But yeah, great theme.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next up we have and be a villain. When
the when the glamorous movie start disappears, Batman and Detective
Montoya find themselves tangled up in a dark web of
a mysterious avenger haunting the sound stages. What do you
think about this because it's funny. We had talked about
this before where there's we don't have the villains now,
But there was a rumor last year that Clay Face
was gonna be the Matt Reeves villain for Batman Part
two and everyone's like, oh, how you do that? But
they was like, no, same thing that we said, where
it's like, oh, they're doing a villain but with a
with a like a different version twist. And this is
the original Clay Face where he was an actor. I
think in that one, I think they did a combole
in this where his face is clay I feel like
with the original he was more just a master of disguise.
I don't think he could do like so I feel
like they kind of like comboled the two characters together.
But what do you think about this one? Because there
was like lots of kind of fun old school Hollywood
in this and this was like a there's a couple
episodesodes that like you got there. It's funny. I feel
like there's three division episodes. You got your fantastical episodes
with like possession and a ghost and supernatural stuff, and
then you got the mob episodes, and then you got like,
this is where I think the Matt Reeves stuff comes in,
like the serial killer s stuff like I feel like
this Harley Quinn. Maybe there's another one where I feel
like that's in the real that I could feel like
these characters fitting in the same realm the Riddler did
in The Batman like this one. I saw this, and
then when I went back to those rumors, like man,
I could see Matt Reeves when they're working the show
and him, look can this character be like, oh, like
I could do this and this could fit with like
with the Riddler and that type of Oh if Batman's
going after killers like this, could this aesthetic could really
fit with what Reeves is doing?
Speaker 2: So oh absolutely this This one was definitely one of
my favorite episodes of the season. I had only ever
experienced Clay Face I think one other time unless he
popped up in Arkham.
Speaker 1: He's in Arkham City. Is he's one of the bosses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then I definitely fought him then. But the
only time I've seen him on a like a show
setting would have been the Harley Quinn Show, and it's
a very different version than what we have here. Still great.
I love his character in the Harley Quinn Poison Ivy Show.
But yeah, but no, I thought this was fantastic. I
thought it was really dark and like it had twist
and turns like a like a true like serial killer
movie would have like something like seven or something, you know. So, yeah,
the comparisons to Matt Reeves very fitting. I think it's
a great pairing of a character to have with that universe,
and even just like the monstrosity that like Clayface kind
of has, Like when I think it's Montoya that first
smacks him and like his face is just smushed over
and it's like, what the hell even are you? Like
just just the puzzle there and thinking that who I
can't remember the name of the guy that he kind
of like he murders, and then he used like his
own serum to make him look like a remember the doctor. Yeah,
so just like that little switch around there I I
really did like and even just following Montoya here, I
feel like as a character throughout the whole show, she
wasn't used that much, but this episode was definitely a
highlight of her kind of just like pretty much doing
the case like through her perspective, and I really liked
her as a character for that reason. And yeah, just
the the whole detective isms that Batman has here, it
was fun to have him not just using like state
of the art billionaire tech, because that's really just a version.
It's usually the character that I'm most familiar with, right,
like even in Arkham City, like you have all your
gadgets and it is in a more modern time. And
then like even the Reeves Batman, that one feels like,
I don't know, I think we were talking like it's
almost like a nineties type era it seems, but there
never actually says.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think present David, but like old New Tech.
It's like the original Star Wars thing where it's like
sci fi but everything looks old and worn down and
used and everything, which is funny to shout out. I
don't think this would be the next comic versions, but
it's releasing the Fall DC's doing this line called DC
All and that's like the you know, the Ultimate Universe
of Marvel where it's like, okay, it's a different universe
or doing that. And they're doing a Batman who like
if he had lost all his money. I don't know how,
I don't know if it's like it gets stolen from whatnot.
But it's a Batman, but he doesn't have like Gadget's
billions of dollars. He's not Bruce Wayne the philanthropist. So
that's something you should look. Look. Just put in Batman
absolute see how fucking jack they made him. So he
doesn't have the weapons and gear, so they made up
for her and just I guess he's just pumping iron
twenty four to seven. But he's massive, right, Yeah, he's huge.
He's a tank. But that's for something that, like I said,
that might be a good one to put on your
potential rening list. I'll read it first, let you know.
But it's written by my favorite Baton writer. But that's
a similar vein where I think that one's gonna have
him being he can be a detective, but he's not
just gonna be like let me use this X ray
scanner and get everything, because it's like he has he
doesn't have money. He doesn't have money this Batman. So
it's gonna be interesting what they do there. So yeah,
and they've done other things like the Wonder Woman. She's
like all tatted up and everything. I don't know what
the difference is, uh A Superman. I think they've said
he's more alien than human this go around, so I
think it's I don't know what the story is there.
And same thing flash, they've been cagy on these because
they want to alsoe at people to buy them. But
they're all they're all gonna like different spins on you
know what they're it's not gonna be the same sort
of character. So but yeah, so people like that sort
of Batman where he just kind of has his tools,
it's just his brain. He got something coming there. But no,
I really like this. This. This told me what I
would love. The reason I would love this because it
does feel weird that they're making movies in Gotham, which
is Gotham supposed to be like this dangerous city. So
you feel like an insurance agency be like, hey, maybe
not work in Gotham. So I don't know how you
can make them the Batman Part two, but I really
don't care. Even at stage play stuff like I love
there's a segment of their just kind of showing him
doing all these type of old type of movies, whether
it's like The Pendulum or just they show the roles
he went through and then they go to sound stages
and there's investigations. I think that to me, like in
live action Batman, I would love to see the Batman
Clayface and Matt Reeve's working with you know, the Batman
looking into old school movie sets or whatever it may be. Like,
I would love to see those sequences in live action
with a real set that was bad and live just
I was, I just this was dripping with I could
have it was fine as a one putter, but I
could even have this is like a character I hope
in season two comes back clay Face for whatever reason,
because there was enough meat on the bone there. I
was like, Okay, I want to see more. Love the
design of the jacket and the bandana that looks very
similar to the OG comic one. So yeah, this one
was a This one was a standard. I don't think
it was. I don't know if it's my it's either
my second or third favorite. It's up there. It was
a it was a very good time. So yeah, okay,
we got the Kiss of Catwoman, which I think everyone
knows about that Selena Kyle turns to a life of
crime as a daring Catwoman after a multimillion father goes
to prison, leaving her strapped for cash. So what do
you think about this? We got the great Christina Ritchie
voicing this, and it's a very it's a not difficult.
It's I think, completely in line with what Catwoman is,
but I think it gets there to a different route.
She takes a different at least that I don't maybe
this is adapting some really Golden age combooks. The look
is I think exactly like the Batman the Past, where
this is the look that Catwoman had originally. So maybe
there is some isms of this being her original origin
as far as being a copy cat or using Batman
as kind of a skate gope here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I loved it. I said in my earlier thoughts,
like just seeing a different version of the Catwoman that
I've seen in the past was really really cool, and
she was very like, like I want to say, I
don't know if lighthearted, the right word, but she just
seems she just seems like, I know she's not innocent,
but she comes off that way, especially like kind of
the comedic moments around her, I think kind of put
her in that light as well, and she just doesn't
seem as dangerous as like maybe she could be because
of that, Like she just always got one liners and
like she gets caught, it's just like ah shucks, Like
you guys got me and that's it.
Speaker 1: And I think you'd underestimate this catwoman. Yeah, you know,
she kind of seems like just a regular two timing,
like oh, this is an easy lock up type.
Speaker 2: Of villain, right, Yeah, No, absolutely, And I really really
love the dynamic between like her and Batman on screen.
That's always a big thing throughout the Batman universes is
those two characters actually in interacting, and Bruce just kind
of seemed like annoyed with her for the most part. Yeah,
more so than just being like, oh, I'm so in
love with it with this character, which I guess most
often the time when he at least is in the batsuit,
like he is coming off that way at least he's
trying to be, but this way, Yeah, he just felt
like he was really annoyed by her, and I really
like the her kind of origin that she is, just
like her father was thrown in prison or something. Their
money's just running out. I love the dynamic between her
and her housekeeper and.
Speaker 1: Three months like hey, jack loaded.
Speaker 2: Just sells all of her things. It's like, yeah, no,
I'm collecting, so good luck with your life and she's
in prison.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: It was just a really fun episode, especially coming off
of I think the previous one. I guess the previous
two were pretty heavy and like darker at least compared
to this one. So it was a nice kind of
like catch your breath. I think is because even the
next episode gets pretty dark as well. But yeah, I
really really loved it, and I really want to see
more of this catwoman, so hopefully next season we see again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think I think it showed a good
versatility because I don't think I think the episode it's
not exactly I don't know. I don't know if there's
any episode that is as comedic and kind of lighthearted
as this one. I think there's element of night Ride
with like you know, the Gentleman goes where it's like
there's some kind of like Scooby Doo esque to it,
but then I think the back half gets like serious,
so it kind of goes away where this is like
it is kind of like a breath of fresh air.
And yeah, she's much more i'd say when you were
if you're a look at their attributes. I think her
durability and like fighting skills probably a lot lower than
other Catwoman, but her like tricksterness or slyness is a
lot higher. And I think it's a fun little ploy
as far as Okay, people are starting to see and
hear about this Batman character, what if I go to
where that character is commit some crimes and then they
can always be pinned on him. So again, it's kind
of a savvy decision there, obviously Batman, which I love.
He decides like, I'm gonna get someone to take pictures
of it. Uh, very bold move when the photographers like,
I got you pictures of you beating up cops? You
want to publish that? And he's like, well, I just
gotta get cat one off the street. So that's one
thing where it's like you've seen some Batman before that,
and maybe you wouldn't do that or worry about this
this Batman is very just I think all the time.
That's what remind me of Matt Reeves's Batman, where it's
just very goal oriented, always just about doesn't care. It's
just about the mission has to go forward on it, right,
Like the way when Alfred and the Batman's like, oh,
you gotta go out and pure normal. He has no
interest in doing that. This Batman, it's just whatever, if
they see me beating some cops up, I'll deal with
it later, even though that's not gonna help his cause, right,
it's gonna hurt him. It does. Throughout the show they
start putting you know, wanted whatever, what would it be called, uh,
wanted poster or a warrant. It's like kind of like
a warrant, right, like just to get him and stuff.
There's anytime he's around, he's gonna try I arrested, So
that's gonna make his job harder. But if that means
locking up a criminal, then you know, Batman's all for it.
So no, I agree, And I think Richie did a
good job. Again, I think the voice acting pretty much
all around is really good here. But yeah, I think
this was a fun kind of breadth of fresh air. Episode.
I don't know how many you need of these, because
I do like the more darker serious one. So I
think one a season, if they did two is fine,
But I think one was like just my my cup
of the tea there, and I imagine same thing I
think she would. I could see her coming back, and
there's more high chinks. I don't know if it would be.
You know, her father went to prison, right, so I'm
not sure if that character were to get out, and
I could see something like Batman looking into the dad
and unfortunately he gets roped back in dealing with Selena
Kyle one way or another. So but right now, I
guess she's just she's in prison, right, That's how it ended,
because her main left her and she's just there. But
she got who knows what time, how much time she's
gonna have to do. So the Night Hunters, Detective Montoya
is put in charge of attack force assembled by Mayor
just Off to catch Batman, and Gotham is put in
jeopardy when detective Flask and Bullock take matters in their
own hands. So what did you think about Flash and
Bullock are resident kind of dirty cops? Bullock is, He's
it's tough because in media, he's all over the place.
Sometimes he is the asshole cop but is still sticking
by the book and he'll do Here's saying he's not
doesn't stick by the book, but he's not like a
dirty cop. Or there's times like this show where he
is just like a dirty cop. So he's kind of
all over. But I will say flask sets some nice
looking suits in this show.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I like the blue look looking really good. Yeah,
I did like this episode. I think it was a
good showcase of like the internal struggle that you know,
a straight cop like Jim Gordon has of like balancing
the mayor pressuring him to do certain things and then
him staying true to what he believes is right. And yeah,
like I've said it a couple of times already, but
I think the show is just a really good starting
point for like someone in the Batman universe because it
does just show, like, you know, we just talked about Catwoman,
so it showed like the origin to that, like you
get some cobblo pot in the in the early portions
and the detectivisms of the like the clay Face episode.
I guess the detective is throughout the entire show.
Speaker 1: But there's yeah yeah, But.
Speaker 2: Like this episode, I feel like it was a really
good showcase of that corruption that that Gotham has, and
it was just a really good showcase for it. I
liked how by the end like it just I don't know.
I I think the shot of like Bullock like shooting
the guy, Like I know they don't see him shoot him,
but they like showcase him that he is the one
that killed them, Like, I don't know if that's really
a hero pose. It's like he clearly did shoot him,
but I guess I get what they're coming for.
Speaker 1: Even the mayor thing I didn't like where it's like, oh,
these guys have some moxie, you're gonna be like there's
a few things I don't like about the ending of
the episode. I liked him shooting him because it did
show like that their fuck up and very bold plan.
What are we gonna do? Well, we're gonna release I
love the beginning when all the cops are trying to
like fake out Batman. They're doing like fake robberies and
fake crimes and just Batman's looking there or the times
he'll just go and hang them up and like yeah,
we missed them. We didn't see him, but he was
definitely here as his partner's upside down. Like I thought
the first five minutes of ye again, it's like it
is comedic, but it's like comedic in the right way
where it's not like over the taw or like you know,
right in your face. It's like fun situational humor. So
they take it.
Speaker 2: We'll totally get them, well smart him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just do it again, do it again. We'll do
it again in ten minutes. And so I like that.
You know, these idiots are like, well, what if we
just release an actual criminal back into the wild. They
call them Firebug. I'm wondering if because he's fireflying now,
so I'm wondering if maybe in the comics he's started
as firebug because they specifically kept that on Firebug on Firebugs.
I think that must have been a throwback to something
back in the day. But yeah, and then the plan
goes terribly wrong because they do give him all those tools,
but lo and behold, the guy that loves fire starts
to burn everything down again. So I was fine with
that all, and I was fine with Bullock shooting him
and you know, making the kill and showing again that
Batman's trying not to do that kill the enemies. He'd
rather take them down put him in jail. I think,
like you said, I don't know if it's like a
hero post, but maybe in the forties, right, maybe look
at that as like maybe back then a cop like
serving justice. I think for me it was one because
Gordon goes, hey, I know you guys did, Like you
guys really fucked up. Everyone's gonna know about this. Right
when that happens, America calls like, oh, these guys, they
got the right plan. You gotta be started listening to them. One,
I just didn't like that leap because like for Gordon
not even try to explain what happened, like this was
like multiple lives lost buildings. So I didn't like they
didn't try to explain it. And two, I didn't actually
really feel like the whole thing with the mayor being like, oh,
these guys are gonna be important. I feel like the
rest of the show, Flask and Bulk were still just
kind of dirty, shady cops. It never felt like Jim
gorm wan to go do something. They're like no, no, no,
like we got control now. So it was like a
weird I maybe I just wish they would have been
like he would the mayor would have called to congratulate them,
and he wouldn't have had them fired. But it felt
like a weird thing to be like, oh, yeah, they're
you know, they're gonna be making there. These guys are
gonna be around for a while and making some decisions.
But didn't really feel like that happened. Maybe I guess
a bit nearly back end, but I didn't. I didn't
feel that storyline. It's maybe some other ones like Barbara
or Dent that kind of went throughout the show. It
felt like they kind of draw They kind of had
too many ebbs and flows in that one, so we
would like to see them a little bit more of them.
But it was again a minor nitpick there for me.
Speaker 2: So that's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like Fireblug, Firefly whatever. He's like an easy villain. Fire.
Speaker 2: I like the trippy like lights things that he had
on people. It's funny. It actually reminded me of you'll
have to you'll have to pinpoint exactly what it is.
But the dexter villain that was seeing like angels and people, Oh.
Speaker 1: Jesus, Travis something was season six.
Speaker 2: Where he was the Doomsday Killer, right.
Speaker 1: Well, seeing angels and people he.
Speaker 2: Would like see maybe it was Hannibal, Actually not, I
think it's Hannibal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I think Doomsday Killer. That's text.
I think it's Hannibal with the seeing angels and people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you just look at people and they'd
be like lit up, and that's a Firebug was seen
to light them up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that trippy like psychological factor that they
had to that character. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Anything else on the Firebug episode? No, all right, the
stress of her regard uh And this is a good
thing to talk about too, because we didn't mention it,
so we'll talk about In this episode, Batman and Barbara
Gordon are set on a collision course when they investigate
abductions of rich, powerful men in Gotham. We forgot they
set this up. I can't remember if it's this episode
before or be like in three, but they had set
up that Batman h he was in public and I
really like there's two situations this happens. Uh So makes
a crack as dead parents and Bruce snaps and punches
the guy, which I that.
Speaker 2: Was a cool. It was okay at the Pearls commenting,
which is hilarious because they're like shit talking, like Bruce
Wayne's like right beside. It's like, what an idiot? Why
would it be in that area. It's like clearly they
knew who Bruce Wayne is and he's standing right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, But like so I really enjoy I feel
like it's been as far as I'm trying to think
of the animated series, I feel like he takes he
keeps a pretty cool colum collect Like what I was
trying to say is either we see Bruce Wayne where
he is the fake Bruce Wayne and he's cool the
whole time, or it's something like Reeves where it's like, Okay,
he's not Bruce Wayne that much, right, Like he tries
to hide. I like that this was the fake Bruce Wayne,
but he would big time snap and show and that's
why he gets the therapy, right. But he punches a
guy and later on I know I'm jumping forward, but
there's a conversation he has with Harvey Dent and in
the middle of it he like switches to Batman. He's
like he said something like oh yeah, I can't remember
he's like he pretty much just says like in you're
your cowards, you wouldn't do that, Like he says so,
and then it's like what and he's like, oh, you know,
I'm just joking around. But like I like that they
showed this Bruce Wayne. That to me was the difference
where usually Bruce has his stuff under control, but like
it's like sometimes the batmanisms they they slip out. And
that's what I liked about this, where Okay, he made
a crack and even then in therapy he just said, Hey,
this guy was an asshle. He said some about my parents.
You know, I just decided to clock him one right,
and it's even that would be believable, And that's what
we didn't talk about. But it's like I said, fitting
talk about here where he is having therapy sessions with
Harley Quinzel and they're trying to get down to the
bottom and eventually she just decides, ah, like I can't
help you because you're not letting me help you. There's
something there, but you're just faking it. Like so she
doesn't pick up these Batman but she definitely picks up
like this guy is not who he says he is.
I guess because he wasn't a piece of shit. That's
why she didn't lock him up. It seems she seems
to lock up like more, I don't know, more bigger assholes.
But yeah, we get this. This was my favorite episode
because of course I'm a joker guy. But I was like, okay,
I like the therapy thing. I do like the redesign,
but this again falls in like Serial Killer Riddler vibes
of because that's the synopsis, right, but I had no
Maybe that synopsis is on Amazon, but I had no idea.
I thought, Okay, it's just gonna be Batman and Harley
Quinn when she goes back home and she has a
bunch of people locked downstairs, like a fucking Joe from
You or Dex Woe, and I was like, okay, this
jumped levels to me. It would have been fine if
it was just the first angle, but the second angle
and the way she's like making these guys have like
Stockholm syndrome and they're listening to her not because of
mind control or a spell, just because they've been in
there for months, maybe some of them a year or two,
and they're just their mind is warped by her messing
with them or shocking them or having them beat each other,
like to me was that was where I was like
another time was like, Okay, this is even more darker
than I thought it was gonna be. Again, it's not
gratuita's violence where there's blood or skin piercing, but it's
just what they imply. So this to me was my
favorite just because of I really liked the twist and
the other last point is I really liked the her
being with Renee Montoya and it didn't seem like it
was like, oh, I'm dating this cop so I can
like have an in on the police, right. It seemed
like she genuinely cared because they were gonna go on
a date and when like Quinn fell off that mountain,
presumably dead, she called her and said, Hey, I'm gonna
be at town for a little bit, but I'm we
will have that day in the future. Renee was looking
all sad, so really this had this was like ace
is the whole way through, and I this was my
favorite one. I loved this Harley Quinn episode the addition everything,
this is something that I'd be completely down for Reis
to steal if they wanted to do like Harley Quinn
in his universe with the Joker, like make her this
sort route. So it was very refreshing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really really like the spin on it. It's
very different Harley Quinn that I've experienced, just because every
Harley Quinn that I have seen has been so tied
to the Joker, And it was kind of cool that
she is doing her own thing even without that guy.
And uh but like living this double life of like
being like a doctor and then doing these trippy experiments
like after hours and still like getting dressed up for it.
I really like the new look too, how it's kind
of like a brownish yellowish color palette compared to the
classic like white and red. Probably some black in there
as well, But.
Speaker 1: And she looks like a porcelain doll where like, yeah, yeah,
it looks like one of those just dolls you'd find
in that the eyes too, it's a it's a good look, yeah.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent. And I agree with you. I think the
dynamic of her being with detecting Montoya was was really
fun because it, like you highlighted, like it wasn't just
for her benefit of like getting in in the in
the forest. Like every conversation that they had, Like she
seemed like she was giving her like very genuine advice
that like would be like something like a partner would
would would supply you with or you'd hope they would
supply you with. And I don't know, I just felt
like they had good chemistry together and yeah, so I
thought all that was really really good, and yeah it was.
It was a fantastic episode because yeah, she was I
think I think she would have been introduced in that
third episode with Catwoman, like when he is going through.
Speaker 1: Just as Quinzel, and I like that they don't. They
don't like tip the hat there where it's like, oh,
she's a bad therapist. It's just she's a therapist at
first to start.
Speaker 2: Right, And That's where I'm like, Okay, we got to
get Harley eventually at some point next season. I'm thinking then,
of course, two episodes later we have her in the costume.
But yeah, she's definitely not gone. So I am intrigued
as to what's gonna come next time.
Speaker 1: And I like that she was like when she lost
and this happens a few times where because the show
and Davin old time is he's a solo, lone wolf loner.
But he's always working with people. This is a situation
where Barbara saved him right because she goes down there
very risky because she's looking into she has some suspicions
about Harley Quinn. But I like that Harry Quinn. When
Batman's down there, she's like profiling him and she's like, Oh,
I'm just your type. So it's like almost flirting with
him in a little so And I don't know if
she's bisexual or not. I think we'll talk about the
end this season where maybe they I'm not sure what
tie she has to the mister j or whatnot, But no,
I think it was a very fun rendition of the character.
So show Next Night Ride. After a series of robberies
and Gotham, Batman wrestles with the possibility that the culprit
might be from beyond the grave. Meanwhile, Harvey Dan's morality
is tested. A generous campaign donation comes from the most
in the Fairy source, which, well, like we said, we're
gonna table the Harvey Dent talk to episode nine to
ten because we can just put it all in the
kin kaboodles. So what do you think about this? Because
to me, I was saying a non spoilers. Episodes one
to five all real world mobsters, crazy people. I guess
clay Face, but even clay Face has a stretches like, well,
it's surgery, Like it's a botched like chemical compound or
something right where this is because Gwen's like, oh, is
this gonna be an actual ghost and like I compared
to my no, it's probably be like Scooby Doo where
it looks like a ghost but someone's just tuning some effects.
It's even Batman's done that before. But this was just
a fun evil dead ghost back from like they had
to do voodoo together. I was surprised, and I'm fine
because the comics do that all the time, and that's
always the debate, right, like with matt Reeves and Nolan,
It's like, well, they never had like well matt Reeve's
Douet mist or freeze or something like this. So I
was kind of surprised because I knew Gentlemen ghost was
in here, but I thought, oh, they'll just find a
way to make it effects or make some sort of
you know, illusion. But yeah, they just went full on
magic here, and I thought this was a very fun episode.
It did to me feel like other than the Harvey
end stuff, it felt like Scooby Doo, but like I
liked it. And then the ending with Alfred that was
some messed up stuff too.
Speaker 2: Where it's very dark, Yes, what are you like, like
hands over the vial to this guy and then you
just have the ghost in the vial.
Speaker 1: You can't leave me with them?
Speaker 2: No, and it's like what are you gonna do with them?
You sure you want to know? And then they just
like walk off and like lightning and thunder. It's like
holy fuck, Like what the hell is.
Speaker 1: That good Hallowe type episode? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I no, but uh, like like you, I was
very much expecting that Scooby Doo reveal that it's just
like a show. And even Batman has that moment it's
like or like what is he He says something along
lines like I could still hit you, and he like
throws a battery and he goes like right through him.
It's like, oh fuck, that's actually the ghost. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's just the middle of the moll War too.
Like the guy because he talks to Voodog I can't
remember his name and like, oh, I'm so surprised you
roban the possibility he's like, well, I guess anything's possible,
and of ghosts are possible, I gotta fix it. Just
like he just accepts that in the middle of this
very realistic nineteen forties scribing war, there's just a ghost
and was like, yep, I will deal with this ghost
and then get back to my job, you know. And
they mention of like, hey, I thought a fucking ghost
a couple of nights ago, you know, just he thought
a ghost.
Speaker 2: I think his name is Midnight.
Speaker 1: Is that that sounds about right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the voodoo guy whatever it was. Yeah, he was.
He was interesting. He's definitely got some suscry to himself.
That's a character I could see possibly people in another
season Linton Midnight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okre you go.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I this was this was very interesting.
I mean I've I've seen some paranormal kind of instances
that Batman's come across, mostly just from like I think
Arkham City kind of goes in that route with the
uh breaking away from the realism factor. But uh, I
also just really liked how Batman kind of handled this situation,
Like it's almost as if he's like, well, it's not
the weirdest thing I've seen, and it's not the weirdest
thing I'm ever going to see, So let's just let's
just carry on. And he is just such a person that,
like you just it's all about the facts and like
whatever is in front of him and what the evidence
shows him. And I like how right away it's like, wow,
clearly you're it's just like a trick, like you're not
actually a ghost. And then yeah, throws the battering like
oh never mind, and then the ghost like hits him too,
so it's like, well, fuck, what are the rules here?
Like you can hit me, I can't hit you. But yeah,
I thought it was really fun. I thought it was spooky,
like the moments when the ghost was robbing the guy
on the train.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was good, good opening. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and it's about work.
Speaker 1: Like for me, it did work because sometimes when you
get fantastical elements of Batman, you have to not be
careful because he does it all the time. That just
depends on the Tony said, and for some reason, it's
still worked here in a very mostly realistic world. Leading
up to it, you know, yeah, after that was moving target.
Montoya of vows to do everything in her power to
protect Commissioner Gordon following a bosh attempt on his life.
Batman's investigation leads him to realize that no one can
be trusted. I don't have any episodes that I would
fail or dislike in this, I think this would probably
be my lower tier one because Automatic Pia, you know,
he's a fun character. But I feel like they, out
of all these episodes, I feel like all the villains
or supporting characters really popped. I don't think they gave
Automatic pa enough because it's him with a bunch of
other hitman. Automatia is a guy that has like the
you know, the soul mass yeah, and I just feel
like that need there, needed more there. I liked the
aspect of there's a hit, cops are turning on them,
the hits action on Barbaron, not Gorn. I liked all
the mob stuff. I think just as a villain, I
don't think he got the shine I was kind of
hoping for, because I think every other episode the villain
does get a good shine where here I thought, oh, like,
he's like a fun b rate. But I think this
would be probably my leaster episode, but still an episode
I really enjoyed, and it was just furthering more of
Gotham's tainted, dirty et cetera. You know, because I really
like that comp that's with them the whole time, working
with them, and then he just says, sorry, it's a
lot of money. It's like, well, okay, So I enjoyed
it still, even though it being maybe my my lower
ranked one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with that villain, I liked at least that it
wasn't just like another you know, goon, like, yeah, they
had they had like some sort of super villain. Even
though he might be like a c or a b
rate villain. I still like that, like the look. So
like when I first saw him, like, oh, it's the
spot and I'm like, oh, it's Marvel. I'm like, oh
it zero, Oh no, that's Marvel as well. I'm like,
who the fuck is this guy? And then yeah, subtitles
showed me it was on a menopea like, oh, yeah,
that makes sense. He's doing like whush, he's doing all
like the classic like sound effect things.
Speaker 1: In the comic books. Oh really he's actually an arrow
green arrow villain.
Speaker 2: So oh that's fun.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: But yeah, his I think his inclusion here was the
weakest just because there isn't much more than he's just
the leader of this this band of bad guys. I guess, yeah,
I don't even know if he's like the main leader.
They just called him boss. It's like all good one boss. Yeah.
But what I did really like about this episode was
just the threat of like like Gordon and like getting
him out. It very much made me think of like
the Dark Night when like all the hits are out
there and they're like trying to get you know, people
in the safe houses, and there's just there's just threats everywhere.
You can't trust anyone. And I like also the moment
between it was other. I think it's Barbara when she
ambushes Gordon when he's coming home from work with Montoya
and some other cops and he's like, you know, if
anyone comes out there, He's like, I'll be ready. He's
got like is fucking six year with them. It's like, okay,
tough guy.
Speaker 1: But I like her.
Speaker 2: She's like she's like, like you you're saying all these things,
but like, you know, there's this innocent lady that like
lives ten feet from you, Like yeah, exactly, and like
some really real points that she was making totally amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, so I.
Speaker 2: Like all those moments, and then of course I like
when Batman comes in and saves the day at the
end though. That was really sweet. So I I it
probably is one of the last episodes for me, but
like it's still really good. Then yeah, it just goes
to show the quality of the show in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh episode eight Nocturn when children started go missing
at a Harvey Dent campaign event that means sleuthing into
an underbelly of local carnival hosting and uncovers something far
more sinister and absolutely because you got yeah he's sleuth,
and you got this this girl that's how many years old,
sucking life up doing fake no I guess not fake magic,
but making her brother look like he's a real has
magic with these things. And uh, yeah, this is like
a fun because it's kind of half episoderight where if
it's half the circus stuff and then half setting up
Harvey Dent's turn for two Face and everything that happens there.
So I think this was a good episode. I still
same thing, would have it probably in the more lower ones,
but still very positive. I liked how dark they were getting.
You're just walk in this room just these kids are
just just passed out. The life has been sucked out.
And the brothers, okay, you only get one more and
walk what's going on? You said? Oh sorry, just just
just one. I just needed one more, just a little boost.
And what we're gonna do with them? While will you
just kill them? And so it was. It was a
dark episode, I think because they had to do some
stuff with Dent. Maybe again that's why maybe the villains
are a bit weaker in this one, like Automatic Pie.
Where that one had okay, you got a lot of
the Gordon Barber hitman stuff. This also had a lot
with hey, you know, people are after Dent and where
he's gonna get some you know, acid into the face
and everything like that. So still a good episode, but
I think, like I said, still probably like target maybe
in the bottom half for.
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, I I was. This is another one that
kind of caught me off, or caught me and caught
me off. It caught me by surprise with how dark
it really went of just like abducting these children, these
like lost orphans and then just slurping the life right
out of them. It Uh, it was really creepy and
like one that I feel like if I saw as
a young and like, it probably would have freaked me out,
just the way that she like lures these kids in.
It's like, oh, like, yeah, I saw him yesterday, Let's go.
I think he's in this back room, Like, let's go
see him. And it's just like that idea, Like just
getting chills thinking about it right now. It's I think
it's just a really creepy concept. And I feel like
circuses in general just always freaked me out as a kid,
just the carnies and just whatever darkness goes on in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I like the character of nocturn.
Speaker 1: Un as the character, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't know, I figured she was gonna
have some sort of super hour. Just the way that
she was drawn. She was reminding me of like Raven
from like Teen Titans. Yeah, just like her dark aesthetic,
but much darker character than than that hero. So yeah,
I like that. I don't really have too much more
to say other than it was just really creepy episode.
Bruce Wayne gets fucked up by the bearded lady. That
was kind of funny. Yeah, and then yeah he calls
Alfred and yeah, just just more moments of I haven't
really been like shouting them out throughout all these episodes,
but like all the Bruce Wayne moments I really really like.
I guess you kind of highlighted when whatever episode it was,
when he's talking to Harvey and kind of switches his voice.
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's I think it's coming up.
Is it not? Is it it's one of it's either
eight or nine, because I can't remember if it's when
he takes with him. Yeah, great idea, Yeah that's and
it was one of these episodes. I can't remember when
you got a flashback. I did, because we got, of
course the parents stuff and everything I did creepily like
that Bruce Wayne parents dead. He's quiet the whole time
and then just wakes Elfred up in the middle of
fucking midnight. She's like, I'm gonna make them pay, and
it's like who he's like all of them and this
kid is like, right to fucking destroy every criminal known
to Gotham.
Speaker 2: And you're gonna help me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like and that's like what you're talking about earlier,
where they're still like friendly, but it's much more of
a employee, like almost James bonding h like Q situation.
Versus like, oh, this is my father figure. It feels
more like a respectful man that looked up for me.
But uh yeah, these two I'm just gonna put together
because we just talk about Harvey Dent and the last
episodes altogether. After Harvey Dent's and incident, both Batman and
Bruce Wayne must work to stop the Diana's quest for
the Wrong Sword, Justice and Savage Night, the attempt on
Barbara Gordon and Batman to keep Harveydent safe until he
testifies in court, and lead to an all out ward
of Gothlain heroes and film. So this is where it's
I like the ending. I like when he became to face.
I don't mind split personality two face. That even happens
in the nineties series. There's there's many versions of like
is he a good guy and then turns bad? Is
he a guy that's shady and then that push him
over the edge? Is he a guy that's good and
split personality? Harvey didn't has a lot of routes, and
I think they did try to take another route here,
But for me, the problem was I just didn't like
it in the first half of the season being this
really like kind of slimy, da sort of guy. I
would have just wished they made him shady, and then
I would have liked it more. He's trying to get justice,
but he might be going about it in a way
that's not clean cut. But even Batman says like, oh well,
at the end of the day, he's trying to do
good for the city, right. But I just didn't like
his interactions with Barbara and Bruce, and I didn't at first.
When Bruce goes out to dinner with him, I'm like, oh,
are they actually friends? I did like because Bruce even
admits it in the finale super and because Alfred says like,
you shouldn't have done that. Bruce like, it doesn't matter.
I get a job done. When Harvey' said his accident
and he just takes him out, he takes him out
just to press him for information, not because he cares
about him. But before Bruce reveals that, I was like,
I just don't want to buy why Bruce would care
about this guy. And then they revealed they didn't, so
I think I just he just came off as and
even the guy voice, it just can't kind of came
off as like a bit too cheesy. At times in
the first half the season. So I just didn't care
for him as much and I didn't buy I think
I just because it was all about him becoming mayor
and then when he's losing points, he's like, well, I
gotta turn in the mob. I just didn't buy the
whole You know what, this is a new type of
justice I gotta do. Where's something like the Dark Knight.
It shows this guy trying to do justice. He fails.
Fuck it, I'm gonna kill people or do mycense of justice.
I just felt like the first half the show didn't
give me that Harvey dent and kind of gave him,
just made him goofy. So that's why I was interested
when he was two faced was gonna happen, But it
felt like they made him classic two face of well,
you're a criminal, I'm gonna flip the coin. And so
there's things I like and don't like. I did like
the finale portion of he's decide he's going to testify.
I like that he's slipping in and out. He'll sometimes
just get mad at Barbera and almost call it like
a bitch and everything like. I like that it was
kind of there and I like the idea of we
just got to get him from point A to point B.
I thought it was a good finale, and Harvey is
a good guy that does make a sacrifice, so he
has like a redemption arc in a way. So I
gues said, I think I like the back half of it.
Just the beginning, I wasn't a fan of the Harvey character,
so that's where I was. But I thought the finale
was good and it was like the I think really
the the melding of Gordon Batman trusting each other because
he says that like, if you're here for two more minutes,
I'm gonna have to arrest you, so you bare leaves.
I think it was finally showing Okay, I can trust
this guy. So I think a good ending to the series.
Just had some hiccups with Harvey Dent there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think judging the character as a
whole for the show, I did really like it. I
think there was some moments that I kind of you know,
slipped the tongue minor spoilered and the pre thoughts, but
of just him like snapping really quickly. I thought was
a little abrupt, but I didn't mind him being like
that super kind of slimy asshole mayor mayoral candidate and
almost borderline like I don't know threatens the right word,
but like like almost say like you should rethink your
things because when I'm in charge, like we're gonna be
running it this way. Like like he it seems like
he has that type of attitude at early portions of
the show, but I did like how kind of before
he gets poisoned or face acid, whatever the hell he gets,
like before he becomes two face, he is kind of
like he's getting tested on his on his moral ethics,
and I think he is passing in those moments, right,
Like he does actually choose to push charges on the
guy that the mob boss wanted to. He wanted Dent
to just drop all charges, but he didn't. He like
actually did the right thing and like stuck through it
even when it would have been. The previous episode, when
he's at the carnival and the ladies like wanting him
to or like telling him that she's like looking for
the children, He's like, I don't got time for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes and deals.
Speaker 2: He goes and deals with the mob boss, but then
he comes back and he and he's like he's like apologizing.
He's like, oh really, like they're not back, Like to me,
that shows that like there actually is some good guy
in there, and I think of those two. But like
it also makes sense why he would be a split
character because he, like for most of the show he
was the slimy prick, but like in those moments they
at least show that. And then when he gets the acid,
he like snaps right away, but then he does the
hero sacrifice one with Barbara. So I think although it
wasn't like it, I think I liked how it how
it ended with him, but like maybe just the execution
along the way. It wasn't that pristine, but it was
still good enough for me that because I like, yeah,
in the finale when he's handcuffed to Barbara, I really
like pretty much all those moments when he's like almost
threatening her that like like like yeah, like like almost
punching her, knocking her out, and she's just like staring
at him like are you really gonna hit me? And
he's just like breaking down, like you can't do this,
Like they're gonna kill me, They're gonna kill you, Like
like please just just just leave me alone. But then
there's moments that he's like snapping and being like the
evil side of Two Face. So I did like the
complexity of him there. I did like how he made
the hero sacrifice at the end. I really assumed he
was just gonna be a straight up like super villain
as soon as he got the ASCID, So I did
like how it wasn't that simple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he kind of with the way
they were doing Dent and two Faces at the end,
he kind of had to die because he was he
had his like almost full villain episode nine and then
and Tenny was trying to do good. He was still
breaking with his personality. But then I think it would
just feel redundant of like, okay, he's around the season
two he breaks down, he's just a villain again, Like
I think I may maybe I almost w loved it.
This was like, uh, I guess it's kind of a
three part I feel like would Nocturn they did try
to do. It's like a x M ninety seven, like
the Life Death like half an episode thing, So I
think it's two and a half. So maybe this is
one that I'm excited to whenever I rewatch this, and
kind of know the whole story, feel how it goes.
But I think I was fine with the death, and
I also liked the more realistic type of burn, you know,
just like it's just more of his skin melted.
Speaker 2: So I didn't like the look.
Speaker 1: No, you know, yeah, lots of people don't. It's like
it's a very creepycaive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's creepy, and I think that's why I don't
like it, Like it is effective, but I think I
prefer the more like full burn looks like a Tommy Lee,
I think honestly. Actually, I guess like the Arkham Games
have a good version as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying. I feel like I have another animated
version of him in my head.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's well, there's a blue one from the nineties
where his face is like blue for some reason white hair.
Speaker 2: Is that the animated series?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the nineties, Yeah, yeah, that one.
Speaker 2: That's that's the iconic one from the look in my mind,
and I can see what's just very different, whereas the
other one's just kind of droopy. It looks a little yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I could see why they didn't do it for that one,
because like, well, some people working on that did that one.
So it's changing up a little bit, you know, So
I could see why they went for this type of
look here, yeah for sure. Yeah, and then that was
gonna be their whole thing where if they got Dent,
he was gonna give a bunch of cops city officials
that was linked back to Thorn. That would have been
the way to take them down, say not say the city,
but at least get this big crime boss off that
Batman did not complete. But as we said, Dent gets killed,
so there goes the number one witness. So again for me,
the two things that get set up where I love
the shot of Thorns on the phone, just shitty eating grannies.
Oh yeah, I'm run the streets now, and then through
the window battering comes just scrape a cheek. Yeah, just
imagine if he miscalculated and he fucker killed them, and
like they find the battering in his head, like I
thought this guy was a killer. Like but and then
they kind of do an homage to the Many Dark
Knight Batman the I made series, because that's a thing
where he's stand on the roof and the lightning comes down.
But to me, that was a good of Okay, we've
gone a journey Batman. He's done some crime, but he couldn't,
you know, win everything. But it is like, okay, I'm
I'm coming for you, like you're my main goal coming up.
So I like that was a good stare down and
then I was wondering. I was like, oh, is that
gonna be? It fades the black, not a complete end
credit scene, but then it fades back up. We get
a shack. Second, I saw a shack in the middle
of nowhere. I'm like, oh, that's my fucking boy in there.
And then we hear some kind of cackling going on.
We go across the room and this is where not
a full episode, but this is where it was more
again Harley Quinn Clay face, where this is like the
Riddler's Serial Killer Matt Reeves stuff. We get to see
all these people tied up in a chair and they
all have variations of their white and their face are
smiling and stuff, and we get this one guy that's
laughing and they last the stuff to death and they
turn over and of course it's the Joker and he
says perfect, So two things that we'll all three things.
One I'm happy because like, yeah, Jokers are on the season.
I'm happy like season two, so yeah, we're gonna get
to the Joker, which feels good because like, hey, season one,
here's some different films than two. We're gonna get at
least one episode of the big main Bad. I really
liked this idea of he's like experimenting with the laughing gas,
like we're seeing him like all these people like test subjects,
and then this guy works like oh perfect. And two,
I just liked the voice was like a deeper, darker Joker.
It was like a high pitched wine, and that's where
I think the show needs to go those routes. So this,
to me, that was like the chills, and I was like, okay,
between the thorn aspect Joker, I don't care if it
was just one episode. I was very I think that's
a smart and I think Joker is a smart way
to end because I think they gets people back for
season two, like oh man, hearing a Batman a Joker.
But it looked like already It's like okay, this feels
like it is gonna be a different version of Joker,
more on the scary level. So I loved the kind
of just alludes to what we're gonna get in season two,
which is confirmed that happens. So I thought was a
perfect way in the show and I needed more immediately.
Speaker 2: So yeah, one hundred percent. As soon as they heard
the cackles, I knew it was the Big j But
I was very thrown off by, Like, I think the look,
it's like, okay, that that looks. I mean, you don't
see the whole body. It's just kind of like the
face shot, or it's not even the full face shot. Actually,
it's like a little little piece of his eyes that
you see with a little bit of mouth in there.
Speaker 1: Don't even see the hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see the hair, that's right, So, like,
is this him pre pre makeup? Uh and hair? I
don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I think that I think he
had the white skin. I think some of the original
drawings of the Joker his hair wasn't that green, so
they might kind of go with just like a tinge
of green instead of like the full just yeah, which
I think would already fit with this world a bit
more than just the very very bright green.
Speaker 2: So, especially judging on like Harley's outfit. Yes, not that
I'm saying those two characters are like super combined at
least right now, but just judging on that, I would
imagine be kind of a similar aesthetic. But yeah, I
for me, I feel like the biggest takeaway is the voice,
Like it just was so different than any Joker that
I've heard, and a lot there there has been a
lot of different versions of the Joker that kind of
like I don't know, we'd call it like a like
a like a.
Speaker 1: Weasley ye, Like it's yeah, it's supposed to be the
exact opposite of Batman, right where he's always down here
and then Joker is up here. But this is like
a Joker that's also down here. So it's like, okay,
that that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: So and like it's I feel like for me it's scary.
It's scary because it is just so different, and like
what is this Joker really gonna be all about? So
I am really intrigued to get that. Yeah, no, it's
it's gonna be good. And I with his experiments too,
like I just imagine it's gonna be pretty pretty disturbing.
Speaker 1: And there's a fun detective tale too. He's he'll looking
like where the chemicals came from? Seeing victims like that,
he mightn't find the shack. So I'm very interested what
they do with a joker coming up, So I think
it's a great way to go.
Speaker 2: So there was one moment I forgot to shout out earlier.
I can't remember the episode, but it's when Batman picks
up like a six shooter and shoots at Flatinale.
Speaker 1: Okay, because it's right after because he shoots Flass is
one that kills Dent. I think they make it seem
like he's gonna kill him, but he just does the
silhouette of him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that, Like, I just I don't think I've
ever seen Batman use a gun, so it was kind
of just weird to have him holding like he's us
a gun. Okay, yeah, you're right, maybe the six shooter.
I've never seen him six shooter like that. It Uh,
it was strange because like the way he just picks
it up and like walks at him as if he
like killed his parents. I'm like, is this the guy? No,
that doesn't make sense. Flass wouldn't be he'd be way
older if that was actually the case. And then yeah,
he just shoots around him and then he like talk
this is the gun away in like a really dramatic fashion.
I think it was just kind of a strange sequence
for me, like why he would go through that, because
it's not like he like like in hind Like, I
don't think he was ever at a moment of like
I'm gonna fucking kill this guy because he killed Dent.
Like it just it was strange for me for why
he did that.
Speaker 1: I think there was some little PTSD. It's always yeah,
bouncing around the brain, you know.
Speaker 2: I did like the like the like Alfred points it
out when Dent like switches that like he's worried that
he's becoming too much the Batman, and like like just
that struggle that he has. I do like when that's
kind of like a pressing thing that Bruce has to
deal with. I did like that they highlighted that. But
I don't know, like it just it was just weird.
I think, like I don't know, maybe I'm not thinking
too much about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, final thoughts and rating.
Speaker 2: Kirk One Final thoughts. Yeah, I thought the show was
just damn well near perfect. I think I like some
episodes maybe minorly less, but like like I can really
only pick like maybe one or two episodes that I
thought were a little bit less than the others, and
like all of them were just We're just stellar. I
love the opening, I love our side characters. I love
our Batman. The voice threw me off at first, like
the first episode, It's like, Okay, this isn't Oh my gosh,
what's the Conroy. Yeah it's not. It's not Conroy. And
just because he's always kind of always been that voice, yeah,
it it sounds different, But I think this chap did
a fantastic job. Like by episode two, like I was
just totally sold on it. Yeah, so yeah, I thought
the voice was fantastic. I love this world that we're in,
and I really really really love Batman with this this
uh this time period. It's it's really fitting and just
like even like our actual detectives with their like trench
coats and fedoras, Like I just such a sucker for
like this type of like crime detective like story, so
pairing Batman in there. And I love that suit too,
Like I feel like that's the suit I had as
like a little kid when I like dressed up as
Batman by Halloween, just like the classic like gray but
like it doesn't seem cheesy because it just fits the
world so well. And yeah, like when he's standing like
behind Barbo, when he like sneaks into those into her
office and he's just like the silhouette, Like the look
is just so goddamn good. I love this style of Batman.
It's definitely the more classic style of like the og stuff.
But yeah, no, like ten a ten show, I think
this is great. Best I have to think about it.
Probably it's up there for best show of the year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know I'm gonna make that list, so
I don't forget at the end of the year like
every time I do. But you know, I follow you
there at the ten. I think if I looked at
just purely critical, maybe I go like a nine point
five because I have some Greeks there some of the animation,
but like there's it's like what I said earlier, just
the good stuff is too outweighed by the nitpicks and
stuff I have, and this is just a show where
it's like, yeah, just do that, keep doing that. Like
I've said, I think I already said it in the
opening or whatnot. It's just if it's in for me,
like a best of five adaptions. That's kind of the
ballpark there, Like, there's not much more I can say
that kind of shows. Okay, that's what I thought think
of it. So now this is a show that I'll
return to a lot, and it's definitely gonna be like
a good think fall dark Halloween type of show as
well too, not that it's all Halloween, but just that
type of vibe. So yeah, no, I don't know. They
haven't said one. Season two is happening, but thank you
Kurkling for joining me on this one. This is a
good one. Talk about it. Yeah, it was a fun watch.
I'm glad. I'm glad it wasn't like a oh man,
this was really shitty and they could have had done
this and stuff. So like even our critiques, they're more minor.
But yeah, dropping the discord or wherever, let us know
what you thought about it. And uh yeah, I'm not
sure what the next Batman content will be, but whatever
it is, I guess the Penguin in September, so check
out that. We'll be back for that. Hopefully we talk
as highly about the penguin as we do this show.
So until then, it will not be born.
Speaker 2: Goodbye.