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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done you busy Boston Radio. Nicole Davis, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much to call. Whatever happened to the Santa Claus rally.

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<v Speaker 2>There's supposed to be a Santa Claus Rally on the

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<v Speaker 2>Dow every year. This is not a good sign. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you tonight? Nicoli's still in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm here. I'm just trying to find Santa Claus.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where he went.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I gotta tell you, maybe he's just working too

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<v Speaker 2>hard at the North Pole making all those toys. Ins Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>You know he's got to hire more elms to get

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<v Speaker 1>it done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I never even thought of that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you cut right to the chase.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Rudolph, his nose costs more to run these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy prices are up. It's a tough time to be

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Claus. I don't don't I feel for the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, And this is his busy week. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the busiest week of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we're all collectively stressing a bit, including Saint.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick's nine games and nine days. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is like a Red Sox streak. July would be

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<v Speaker 2>going crazy. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not an economist, but my four oh

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<v Speaker 1>one k is not too happy right now. So hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a holiday break will help Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street kind of shake it out.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turned me a favorite. When it's time to panic,

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<v Speaker 2>will you let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Know as soon as I know you will be the

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<v Speaker 1>first person I.

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<v Speaker 2>Call it, yeah, because I don't want to panic too early. No.

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<v Speaker 1>No, as soon as somebody who actually knows more about

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<v Speaker 1>these things lets me know, I'll pass it on. I promise.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fighting some sort of cold here. You're happy not

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the same building with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm always happy to be in the same

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<v Speaker 1>building with you when I can, But it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>you you wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Be happy because I feel like I'm some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a super spreader. I have no idea you've never been

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<v Speaker 2>hit with a cold of this magnitude at this time

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<v Speaker 2>of year. I feel like, oh my goodness, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've had all my shots, I've done everything right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of up our respiratory stuff coming around,

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<v Speaker 1>pneumonia and colds and RSV and all that, So definitely

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<v Speaker 1>just be kind to yourself, hot tea and rest you

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<v Speaker 1>know it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, I no rest for the week. Other week.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I've hit in both of those categories. Come

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<v Speaker 2>on now, well, begs Nicole. I'm sure I'll talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here for the balance of the week. Oh, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>wish each other of merry Christmas and all of that

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff. Hopefully before the end of the week. Absolutely Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>talk soon, Okay. So that's a good all right, good evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody welcome. I'm Dan Ray. Not feeling too great physically tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what this is. I haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>near anybody or anything. And boy, this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>a tough cold, if you want to call it that.

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<v Speaker 2>That I've been trying to battle for a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>So bear with me tonight. If you hit me, cough

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, Rob. You know our basic signal here,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can cough if I have to. I apologize

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<v Speaker 2>for coughing into the microphone while Nicole was on. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we are ready for four hours of nights. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk with newishire Governor Chris Sanunu in the nine

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock hour. He's going to take phone calls. He's had

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<v Speaker 2>a really interesting well, he's had an interesting eight years

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<v Speaker 2>as governor. I believe he's the best governor in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States of America. I've said that in the year

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<v Speaker 2>many times, not back and off from But now we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk with Chris Snunu later on tonight. I will prove

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<v Speaker 2>to you that we are the worst drivers in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the country, but not for the reasons you think. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's a very interesting indictment that came down yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>a federal indictment of a Natick man who is charged

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<v Speaker 2>with conspiring to provide some nasty materials to the government

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<v Speaker 2>of Iran. And we'll talk about that as well, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope before the night is over. So we have a

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<v Speaker 2>jam packed show tonight. We're going to start it off

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<v Speaker 2>with four guests in our first hour. We call it

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<v Speaker 2>the night Side News Update. And I'm delighted to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>Mason Taylor, who's a professional bull r rider and he

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<v Speaker 2>is competing in a World Championship race that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to wind right through nearby Manchester, New Hampshire this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Mason Taylor, welcome to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you, great man? Thank you for having me well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for joining us. That's a tough

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<v Speaker 2>profession you've picked out there. How long you've been riding

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<v Speaker 2>these bulls? Mason my whole life.

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<v Speaker 4>But professionally, this is my seventh year in the PBR.

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<v Speaker 2>So now let me ask you what is the I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big sports guy. I know you know, the the

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<v Speaker 2>professional life expectancy of your career expectancy of a pro

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<v Speaker 2>football player isn't particularly long. NHL players, baseball players a

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<v Speaker 2>little longer. What's what's the sweet spot for bull riders?

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<v Speaker 2>When do you guys hit your peak? And when does

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<v Speaker 2>it does? Does all of that, you know, Joscelyn around

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<v Speaker 2>getting thrown jumping around to the back of a bull

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<v Speaker 2>with why does that start to weigh you out?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's a there's a sweet spot between you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a ten and a twelve year career, depending on you know,

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<v Speaker 4>how old you are when you start, when you start.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, you know, if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can if you get on tour, you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen or not eighteen or even twenty, you know you

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<v Speaker 4>can you can ride pretty comfortably until you're thirty. You

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<v Speaker 4>can have a you can have a ten year career.

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<v Speaker 4>There where you know, you can take on some injuries

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<v Speaker 4>and be able to bounce back and.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff like that. But as soon as uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you hit.

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<v Speaker 4>The age thirty, it sure is hard to kind of

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<v Speaker 4>bounce back from some injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I hear you. There's certain injuries that that affects

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<v Speaker 2>certain athletes. Obviously, basketball players you get knees and ankle

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<v Speaker 2>injuries a lot. You know, pro football you could you

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<v Speaker 2>can have lower injuries in Major League Baseball, it's arm injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that when you're riding bulls and big bulls

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<v Speaker 2>like you know you ride that, did you have a

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<v Speaker 2>wide variety of possible injuries that can impact you during

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<v Speaker 2>your career and then on throughout the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Right or wrong on that one, Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely correct?

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<v Speaker 4>Man, Like every time that we nowed our head, there

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<v Speaker 4>is a chance of getting hurt, and you know kind

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<v Speaker 4>of on the scale of you know, being in an

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<v Speaker 4>automobile accident. You know, whenever you take on a wreck

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<v Speaker 4>of an eighteen hundred pound animal against one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty pound guy, it can break some stuff and knock

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<v Speaker 4>some stuff loose if things don't go just right.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell us about the competition up in Manchester. This

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<v Speaker 2>is this coming Friday the twentieth and Saturday the twenty first.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been to a bull riding competition, watched them

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<v Speaker 2>on television. I admire the courage that you guys have.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's amazing. I also admire the courage of

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<v Speaker 2>the folks who are out there on the floor who

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<v Speaker 2>are protecting you from the bulls. They call them the

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<v Speaker 2>rodeal clowns. But those gentlemen have to know exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing to make sure that those riders are not

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<v Speaker 2>trampled or heard any worse than they were are during

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<v Speaker 2>those eight seconds on top of the bull. Tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen up in Manchester and what will

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<v Speaker 2>people see in Manchester. We don't get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>bull riding in this part of the country, as.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you know, Yes, sir, so a man in Manchester.

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<v Speaker 4>You know it's a two day event Friday Saturday, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know it is going to be everyone's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to witness the best, top thirty five guys

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<v Speaker 4>in the world against the top thirty five bulls in

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<v Speaker 4>the world. You know, that's why we're called the professional

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<v Speaker 4>bull riders, is because you know this is a professional sport,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is this is as good as it gets.

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<v Speaker 4>So you'll be able to go out there and watch

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<v Speaker 4>the best in the world do what they love.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a dumb question, but that's I get paid

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<v Speaker 2>money to ask dumb questions. Smart questions and dumb questions.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys ever develop any sort of, if not

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<v Speaker 2>a friendship or respect, not only amongst the riders, but

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<v Speaker 2>amongst the bulls as well. I mean, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>assume these bulls are pretty intelligent animals. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>walk by them, you know, if they're in a pen,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that you look at and you say, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's you know, can you look at a bull

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<v Speaker 2>in any way, shape or form? And you know they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about dog being man's best friend. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>bulls are not your best friend. They're your competitor. But

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<v Speaker 2>is there sort of a muture respect between what you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do and what they have to do?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? For sure, the bulls, you know, they are such

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<v Speaker 4>amazing athletes to be able to be eighteen hundred pounds

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<v Speaker 4>and jump a sigh as they do, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Quick as they do.

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<v Speaker 4>They they love what they do. They're bred for this,

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, man, there's a great deal of respect that

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<v Speaker 4>all of us riders have towards the best bulls in

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<v Speaker 4>the world because we dank sure couldn't do it without them.

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<v Speaker 2>No doubt about that. Well, Mason, I wish you best

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<v Speaker 2>of luck, your good health, no no injuries, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you guys have a big success. That's a great

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<v Speaker 2>arena out there. Have you been to Manchester before per

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<v Speaker 2>chance or no?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, I've been up there twice now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a nice arena. It's a nice city out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know that you folks. Then our radio signal

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<v Speaker 2>gets all up and down the East coast of America,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm not mistaken a week the week between Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>and the New Year's you're in nearby Auburn and New York,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you finish up in New York City the

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<v Speaker 2>first weekend of twenty twenty five. So you're coming into

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<v Speaker 2>this is sort of the climax of the season, Am

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<v Speaker 2>I correct in that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is what starts it off.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, these first or these next next three or

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<v Speaker 4>four events is kind of what sets up who's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be fighting for a world title at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the day, So, yes, sir, this is very much

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<v Speaker 4>in the heat of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So how when's the season wrap up? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know baseball, football, basketball and hockey and all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have long years when you guys wrap up

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<v Speaker 2>every season.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, our finals are in May for the individual season,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we have yeah, we have a deal called

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<v Speaker 4>ther Teams Championship that goes from July until November. So

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<v Speaker 4>a side of a month in there or a month

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<v Speaker 4>and a half in there, we are going, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>pretty much year round.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all waves ridings.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I did not realize that, Mason. Best of luck,

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<v Speaker 2>of good health. Where'd you grow up What part of

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, look enjoy, enjoy New England hospitality. Gonna

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<v Speaker 2>so that's okay. Thanks very much, Mason. I'll be watching

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<v Speaker 2>the results and rooting for you. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, thank you very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very welcome Mason Taylor again. The professional bull riding Association.

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<v Speaker 2>They are going to be up in Manchester, New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend December twentieth and twenty first. Great, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good family event. Get up there and enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>it in advance of Christmas week. Back on nights Side

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<v Speaker 2>different sort of entertainment. That's a Harry Potter exhibit. My

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<v Speaker 2>Right here, ten thirty on your AM dial. Stay with

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<v Speaker 2>I guess opening tonight in Cambridge at Cambridge Side. I

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<v Speaker 2>exhibition and it's going to be around for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>well into the new year. And I'd like to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Zalor Tom Zalor, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm great there. How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine. I gotta tell you if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>you you probably are talking though, and my kids were

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<v Speaker 2>kind of past the Harry Potter age. So but I

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<v Speaker 2>know that this, this work, this this imaginary work of JK. Rowling,

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<v Speaker 2>took the world by storm. And you folks now have

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<v Speaker 2>this exhibition in Boston, but it's technically in Cambridge? Am

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<v Speaker 2>I right on that?

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<v Speaker 3>That's true? I think you said it right. It's at

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, gotcha? Okay, sure, fine, okay, So tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what will people see? I mean, I know that there

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<v Speaker 2>are Harry Potter officionados and there are people who just

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<v Speaker 2>just being honest with you. I wish I could ask

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of insightful questions about Harry Potter. But

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<v Speaker 2>back and listen and tell me. Let me learn a

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<v Speaker 3>No problem, I'll do it for the audience, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>those who know, if you will. So look what this

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<v Speaker 3>is is a is an enormous touring experience. It's over

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<v Speaker 3>thirty thousand square feet and there are over twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>different rooms where you get to go experience moments from

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<v Speaker 3>the films and the books as if you are in

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<v Speaker 3>the world of Harry Potter. So, in addition to sort

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<v Speaker 3>of recreating these environments that you feel very familiar to

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<v Speaker 3>the people who know it, we also have original props

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<v Speaker 3>and costumes that were warned by the characters and the

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<v Speaker 3>actors in the films. So you have Ron and Harry

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<v Speaker 3>and Hermione's robes, you have Draco Malfoy's outfit, you have

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<v Speaker 3>Luna love Good, you have all these things, and we've

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<v Speaker 3>just added a couple of new costumes to the exhibition.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them is a student from the herbology classroom

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<v Speaker 3>that your listeners will know what that means. And very

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<v Speaker 3>interesting Professor McGonagall, who was played by Maggie Smith. Her

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<v Speaker 3>outfit that she wore that's very recognizable in the Great

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<v Speaker 3>Hall when she sorted the incoming students into Hogwarts. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's a really cool experience for I will say to you,

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<v Speaker 3>I will challenge you Dan that if you will come

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<v Speaker 3>to the exhibition, even if you've never seen a movie

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<v Speaker 3>or never read the book. I'll bet if you go there.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be willing to wager one dollar that if you

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<v Speaker 3>go to this experience, you will say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I need to see this movie. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I need to read these books. I think the experience

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it sounds to me like what you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>really feel like you're part of it. It's just not

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<v Speaker 2>going to a museum and looking at old books or

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<v Speaker 2>old statues or not that there's anything wrong with that, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but this sounds pretty exciting. And I suspect that who

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<v Speaker 2>give me an give me which generation? Who was that

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<v Speaker 2>with gen X and gen Z and you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>of these different When when did did the Harry Potter

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<v Speaker 2>experience explode? What years are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>So we're talking about in the nineties, really when the

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<v Speaker 3>film started. The first film came out, you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two years ago. So what we call them genom generation

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<v Speaker 3>the generation that just was remember when people when these

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<v Speaker 3>at the Barnes and Noble or whatever the local bookstore

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<v Speaker 3>was back when there was those to be the first

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<v Speaker 3>one at the book and the movies came out, and

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<v Speaker 3>they came out sort of every year, every couple of years, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>and so you have this generation of people who where now,

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<v Speaker 3>they're passing on this, you know, like we grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with Mary, don't you remember Mary? Right, You've got Jimmy Stewart,

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<v Speaker 3>the new generation of the people who are in their

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<v Speaker 3>a Christmas fantastical moment where you're sitting down watching a

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<v Speaker 3>So our generation, I don't know how old you are,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the wrong side of fifty that's all I

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<v Speaker 2>will admit to be really on. But anybody who's been

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<v Speaker 2>lost for a while knows how long I worked as

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<v Speaker 2>And when they added up and they're like, why isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that guy dead? At this point, I don't me get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, seriously, I'm well passed.

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<v Speaker 3>How many did say to me tonight you're talking to him?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he I didn't know he was still alive.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope, I hope you're joking with me. Beyond that,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done the talk show

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<v Speaker 2>here now for eighteen years after having been an on

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<v Speaker 3>I'm originally a Cleveland, Ohio and now I live in Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love Boston. I spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 3>there and and I love uh, I love the community there,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think we have something really special that we've

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<v Speaker 3>had tremendous success. You know, We've had millions of people

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<v Speaker 3>see this exhibition.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the city. How many these are cities around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>How many other cities has Is this the first time

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<v Speaker 2>this this exhibition has been.

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<v Speaker 3>In Boston, Yes, the first time it's been in Boston, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's been already. I looked at some of

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<v Speaker 2>the media information. It's been in a lot of other

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<v Speaker 2>cities around the world. This this must be a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>effort just to move all the items. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>this is you talk about moving a professional sports team,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on a on a on a Saturday, out

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<v Speaker 2>to play a football game or halfway you know, across

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<v Speaker 2>the country and then getting them back home on Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nothing con to what you guys do. Okay, So look.

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<v Speaker 3>At if you're talking about over fifty trucks to bring

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<v Speaker 3>the exhibition there. So it's a massive endeavor to bring

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<v Speaker 3>it there. And we have a huge space and a

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<v Speaker 3>big team and a lot of people working together to

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<v Speaker 3>make this thing very special for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you work with.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're working with my friend Darren de Luca here.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's how can people get their tickets here in Boston?

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<v Speaker 2>Give us the magic website that they can they can?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well tonight, I mean Harry Potter the exhibition dot com. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you in theory. You should be searching Harry Potter Exhibition

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<v Speaker 3>Cambridge or Boston. You'll find it. It's very there's all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of deals right now. There's a bunch of holiday specials.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great time. People love to give gifts for

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<v Speaker 3>the holidays, and there's all kinds of packages. It's all online.

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<v Speaker 3>I want more people with the comments, but I will

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<v Speaker 3>just say that website, Harry Potter.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at it right now. It's a great website.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks to me like you've been in China. You've

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<v Speaker 2>been saying, Paulo Brazil in crackout Poland. I've been in

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<v Speaker 2>crack crackout Poland actually as a television reporter at Madrid.

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<v Speaker 3>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this looks really interesting and I may

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<v Speaker 2>have to get on over there and you you open tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like I believe tonight you open, correct if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading that.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, we've been open. We've already had over one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand people go through the exhibition in Boston, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>very popular already. But what we just announced was that

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<v Speaker 3>we've extended the exhibition until April twenty seventh, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>the weekend after Easter, and what we're doing now is

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<v Speaker 3>we were going to close on January fifth, but we've

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<v Speaker 3>had so much, such a huge demand, that we wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to expend it to the people in Boston and go

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<v Speaker 3>through the spring break. So it's a great opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>buy holiday packages and just you know, really get out

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<v Speaker 3>and put look you'll be amazed. I really, I really

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<v Speaker 3>want you to come be my guest, and I'm challenging

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<v Speaker 3>you not to go through there and say, boy, I

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<v Speaker 3>really should watch one of these movies, because look.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever you go, I don't care who the professional performer is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know friends of mine who I'll take to a

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<v Speaker 2>sporting event and they'll know nothing about baseball, nothing about football,

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<v Speaker 2>and then get excited. Or you go and you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to a singer who you've never heard of before. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember going to a Celine Dion concert in the late

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties, in the late nineteen eighties here at a

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<v Speaker 2>place called Great Woods and blown away. I had never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of it. I had no idea who she was.

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<v Speaker 2>But no matter, you go to see you know Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Buffer when he was around all these Willie Nelson that

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<v Speaker 2>they are just incredible performances, and I'm sure this exhibit

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<v Speaker 2>will blow people's minds as well. So I really thank

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<v Speaker 2>you Tom for having the patience to walk through this

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<v Speaker 2>with me. I just felt I wanted to be honest

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<v Speaker 2>that I got to learn more about. I appreciate very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you familiar with the game called Are you sure

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<v Speaker 2>Quidditch? Yeah, I'm aware of that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a professional sports game. And the people at Hogwarts,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think that quidditch could be I think it

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<v Speaker 3>could be. She covered on the on the station and

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<v Speaker 3>then come down to the exhibition. You could actually throw

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<v Speaker 3>quidditch ball through the through the goal at the exhibition,

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<v Speaker 3>so you could win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I used to. I used to pitch and play

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<v Speaker 2>play goaltender in hockey and I was a pitcher, uh

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<v Speaker 2>in high school in college. So yeah, I've noticed. The

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I hadn't noticed about Harry Potter was quiddit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but again, Tom, I really appreciate it. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for your time tonight. Okay, best of luck in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy the City. Thank you much, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it. Good night.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back. When we get back, right after

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<v Speaker 2>the newscast's going to talk with Tracy Clements. She's an

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<v Speaker 2>expert dealing with student safety and mental health issues and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously in view of what happened yesterday at that Christian

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<v Speaker 2>academy in Madison, Wisconsin, this is a well timed interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy Clements joins us on the other side of the break.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Sadly, this is a very well timed interview and topic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure everyone will understand what I'm saying when

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<v Speaker 2>I put it that way. My guest is Tracy Clements.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a former school counselor now an education strategist in

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<v Speaker 2>student safety and mental health and God guardian. Tracy, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Night's Side. Tough day yesterday around the country and

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<v Speaker 2>more specifically in Madison, Wisconsin. I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 2>was scheduled before that horrific event yesterday or not, but

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<v Speaker 2>either way, it's important to talk about it tonight. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to night Satt. How are you this evening.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing well.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 2>Me so you're a fuller school counselor and an education strategist.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on that so many kids, young students who

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<v Speaker 2>have the rest of their lives in front of them

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<v Speaker 2>are engaging in these horrific actions. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that some people say, well being guns or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that, but I just don't understand why

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<v Speaker 2>kids at fifteen or seventeen are destroying their lives and

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<v Speaker 2>destroying the lives of others. What am I missing?

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<v Speaker 5>You know? I think every kid has their own reasons,

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<v Speaker 5>and the reasons are as varied as there are people.

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<v Speaker 5>But overall the bigger picture, I think kids have a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of stress on them in the world we live

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<v Speaker 5>in right now, and kids don't really get a chance

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<v Speaker 5>to shut off and get away from everything. I am old.

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<v Speaker 5>So when I was a kid, when we went home,

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<v Speaker 5>we just were able to relax, And children and teens

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<v Speaker 5>don't get that opportunity anymore. The world has become a

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<v Speaker 5>more stressful place.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that? In the sense that I'm probably older

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<v Speaker 2>than you are. I was a student colle I graduate

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<v Speaker 2>from college in the seventies, law school in the mid seventies. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>school is competitive, there's no doubt about that. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of pressure, social pressures. I'm assuming the social pressures

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<v Speaker 2>were just as bad kids in the fifties and sixties

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<v Speaker 2>as they are for kids now in the twenty twenties

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<v Speaker 2>or the twenty f deeds. There has to be something

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally that has changed here. Is it the immersion that

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<v Speaker 2>young people have in this thing called the internet? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that the factor? Or or that there were just as

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<v Speaker 2>many incidents of this nature fifty years ago, we just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't hear about them. There weren't live TV crews everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a factor?

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's a big factor. I do think that

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<v Speaker 5>having access to the Internet and being online and connected

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<v Speaker 5>to the entire world provides an additional stressor for kids today.

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<v Speaker 5>But also before the Internet, we didn't know all of

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<v Speaker 5>the bad things that were going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>So I feel like, you know, people talk a lot

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<v Speaker 5>about the mental health crisis right now. I've been doing

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<v Speaker 5>this for more than thirty years, and it's been a

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<v Speaker 5>great for very long one.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the in the few minutes that we have left,

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<v Speaker 2>how are we going to solve this problem? Tracy? What

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<v Speaker 2>what is the solution or what what is the battery

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<v Speaker 2>of solutions that have to be imposed because this has

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<v Speaker 2>to stop. I mean, whether it's New Town or whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's Juvaldi or now Madison, Wisconsin, and there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>other stops along the way. What what can be done?

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<v Speaker 2>What what can be changed in the curriculum? What can

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<v Speaker 2>be changed in the way we incorporate kids into schools?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it too competitive now? Is it? I'm just wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>is there maybe there's no magic pardon the punt here,

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<v Speaker 2>no magic bullet to solve this problem.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think there's a lot of things we

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<v Speaker 5>can do to help move the needle. And I agree

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<v Speaker 5>there's no magic bullet. There's no one cure all. But

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<v Speaker 5>schools need to build systems of support, which is what

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<v Speaker 5>I did. When I was at Neoshow School District. We

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<v Speaker 5>were experiencing a bad suicide crisis. Of our suicide rates

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<v Speaker 5>were many times the national average, And you just put

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<v Speaker 5>one foot in front of the other and you start

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<v Speaker 5>doing everything you can. You bring communities together, you bring

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<v Speaker 5>parents together, You use technology to help you identify the kids,

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<v Speaker 5>which is how I landed in a technology company as

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<v Speaker 5>mental health professional, which is nothing I ever expected to do.

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<v Speaker 5>But at Gogardian what was at the district. We had

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<v Speaker 5>a tool called Beacon, and Beacon lived in the background

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<v Speaker 5>of the student's devices, and it uses machine learning to

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<v Speaker 5>identify when kids might be struggling with suicidality or if

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<v Speaker 5>they're accessing content that might indicate their arm towards others,

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<v Speaker 5>and it sent us an alert. And instead of having

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<v Speaker 5>to wait until kids were showing behavioral changes on the

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<v Speaker 5>outside or they had the nerve to come and ask

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<v Speaker 5>for help, we were able to identify some morning signs.

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<v Speaker 2>So I assarch I assume that I'm speaking as a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>that my good friends in the Civil Liberties Union probably

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<v Speaker 2>are not thrilled with this idea.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, there there has been some concern, and I

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<v Speaker 5>myself had concern in the beginning, but using it, I

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<v Speaker 5>found it to be just a really helpful tool. And

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<v Speaker 5>and that's what it is. It's a tool, and it

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<v Speaker 5>is It doesn't it's not magic, it doesn't do it

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<v Speaker 5>on its own.

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<v Speaker 2>Parent Did the parents sign off on this tool?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely? Yeah, the parents, They sign off on it. And

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<v Speaker 5>then I recommend taking it a step further and holding

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<v Speaker 5>a parent knight to talk about not just what technology

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<v Speaker 5>you're using but all of the different things. So we

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<v Speaker 5>were to address our suicide problem in Neoshow. I did

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<v Speaker 5>Signs of Suicide, which was for kids, and training for teachers,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was bringing in outside mental health therapists and

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<v Speaker 5>to the school, and I had a committee of people

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<v Speaker 5>from the community, including parents, to help us figure out

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<v Speaker 5>what to do. Another thing was just teaching the basic skills.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, this is what anger feels like, this is

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<v Speaker 5>what you do with How can.

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<v Speaker 2>Parent groups get in touch with your organization if they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for more information, they must be a website.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, our website is Goguardian dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty easy, all one word, Geoguardian, Googuardian dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a high school called Boston Latin School.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're familiar with it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest public high school in America. Found that in

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen thirty five, Oh wow, and did my It was

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<v Speaker 2>basically Harvard University was formed to educate the graduates of

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Latin School. And when I was there in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties, we had a dropout rate about two thirds.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very competitive. There was one guidance counselor, And

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<v Speaker 2>the only time you met the guidance counselor was when

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<v Speaker 2>he opened the front door called you. The office opened

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<v Speaker 2>the front door and directed you across the street to

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<v Speaker 2>the to the high school that you would then matriculate from,

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<v Speaker 2>which was across the street, a different high school. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that somehow, some way, there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be a way in which we can reach these kids.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the most competitive high school that you could

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<v Speaker 2>ever have imagined. You better be prepared jackets and ties.

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<v Speaker 2>You walked. You know, you had three minutes to walk

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<v Speaker 2>from classes. It probably was not the kindest educational experience,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a pretty effective educational experience. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to see too old school here, but you

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<v Speaker 2>may want to check it out at some point because

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<v Speaker 2>it was they told you look to your left and

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<v Speaker 2>look to your right. You know, one of you will

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<v Speaker 2>graduate from this school. That was your freshman orientation, so

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<v Speaker 2>they let you know what it was from day one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's for sure. It's like sort of the Marine

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<v Speaker 2>Corps of academia for kids going into either the seventh

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<v Speaker 2>grade or the ninth grade. Tracy Clements, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for your time. Love to get you back and

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<v Speaker 2>talk more about this, maybe even do an entire hour

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<v Speaker 2>sometime after the first of the year. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>need more time than just a few minutes to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So that sounds wonderful.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks, Thanks Gracy.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it very much. We get back when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about a very topical subject, and that is drone sightings.

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<v Speaker 2>Recent drone sidings. Are they a threat? We will talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the CEO of a company called Pivotal. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's Pivotal. I guess they spell it a

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<v Speaker 2>little differently, Pivotal Technologies. We'll talk with that CEO right

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<v Speaker 2>after this break cod night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World.

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<v Speaker 2>Night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is, yes, monrage Machine. I hope I'm pronouncing

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<v Speaker 2>your name correctly. He's the CEO of a company called

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<v Speaker 2>Pivotal Technologies. You're missing you're missing a volve there. Yes, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>you spelled tv O T A L. What happened to

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<v Speaker 2>the I.

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<v Speaker 6>Makes it easier for trademark and registering domain names.

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<v Speaker 2>I got it. I figured that was it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to get it cleared up, that's all. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>Good?

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<v Speaker 6>How about you good?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Have you figured out what's going on with these drones?

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<v Speaker 2>Because nobody else has.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think we can say we have figured it out,

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<v Speaker 6>but we've been able to eliminate what it is not,

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<v Speaker 6>So I think, what do you what.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think? What? What is it? What? Let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>eliminate it. What is it not?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't think it is aliens. I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>it is any sort of conspiracy from the government, and

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think it's any foreign power. So at least

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<v Speaker 6>based on the data we received so far, the reports

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<v Speaker 6>and the videos on social media, there's no evidence to

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<v Speaker 6>suggest any of that. So at least I think those

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<v Speaker 6>can be at least we now eliminated until new evidence

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<v Speaker 6>comes to light.

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<v Speaker 2>If the aliens were gonna come here, why would they

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<v Speaker 2>go to New Jersey?

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<v Speaker 3>And that is a great question, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let that one hang in there, Okay, So neither

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<v Speaker 2>one of us get a lot of trouble with our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners in New Jersey. I'm concerned when I hear the

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<v Speaker 2>White House say we don't know what it is, but

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<v Speaker 2>we know it's not a threat because if you don't

633
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<v Speaker 2>know what it is, how can how can you conclude

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a threat. That's what troubles me with this.

635
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<v Speaker 2>There's all sorts of rumors. I'm sure you've seen them

636
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 2>floating around. What's your best guess? I mean, do you

637
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<v Speaker 2>think this is a These are private companies? Are a

638
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<v Speaker 2>private company that is trying to test some new technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Your your company called Pivotal Technologies. I assume you're up

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<v Speaker 2>to up to speed of this.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't do hardware, but we do a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>for governments and large enterprises. So I think based on

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<v Speaker 6>the reports, it seems that everything started on November seventeenth

644
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<v Speaker 6>or eighteenth, late at night, and that was when you

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<v Speaker 6>first got any reports that we can trace back. I

646
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 6>think in New Jersey. I think the FA investigated those

647
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 6>and they concluded that there was nothing legal or nothing

648
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.719
<v Speaker 6>suspicious about them. But I agree with you. I think

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00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 6>the biggest problem in this case is that there's been

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of tepid and inconclusive government reports announcemental statements,

651
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<v Speaker 6>so that added to the confusion. We personally verified, like

652
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 6>we have any I that does some testing on social media,

653
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 6>on comments and everything, and so we've analyzed about two

654
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<v Speaker 6>hundred and seventeen different reports, and the majority of them

655
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 6>occurred between I think December ninth and fourteenth, and almost

656
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<v Speaker 6>all of them are just like, you know, I think

657
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 6>people having fun with it. They've seen the news and

658
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 6>they are just doing copycats or scared their neighbors. But

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<v Speaker 6>in most cases, a lot of the statements made by

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<v Speaker 6>people were you know, I think people who just started

661
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<v Speaker 6>paying attention and they are seeing lives or they're seeing activity,

662
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<v Speaker 6>and they're always correlating it with the drones. But in

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<v Speaker 6>many cases, I think that there's been a lot of activity,

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<v Speaker 6>or at least the most popular things shared on x

665
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:23.239
<v Speaker 6>and TikTok. You could actually track the flight path of

666
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<v Speaker 6>the drone they reported with the videos, the angles, and

667
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 6>you could, you know, compare that with flight paths that

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<v Speaker 6>are registered with actual planes or private planes, and most

669
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<v Speaker 6>of them were actually private planes. So we have not

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<v Speaker 6>seen an actual video or report that conclusively said something

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<v Speaker 6>you're suspicious or a government or an interested drone most

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<v Speaker 6>of I think there's only been two arrests so far,

673
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<v Speaker 6>and those were near the Logan International Airport where it

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<v Speaker 6>was just individual flights.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys, Yeah, I'm familiar. We broadcast from Boston and

676
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.239
<v Speaker 2>this has happened before. For some reason, you have some

677
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<v Speaker 2>knuckleheads and I'm using a technical term there obviously, who

678
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<v Speaker 2>think it's a great idea to fly drones near major airport.

679
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.199
<v Speaker 2>There are also people like to fire you know, flash

680
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>lasers at cockpits. Right, there's also a problem and most

681
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 2>of those that's totally unrelated the correct stuff. My understanding

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<v Speaker 2>amongst people who are flying civilian drones, and I've never

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<v Speaker 2>flown a drone, never touched a drone, I had some

684
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:29.360
<v Speaker 2>idea what they are. They're supposed to stay below four

685
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 2>hundred feet and they're supposed to always be within sight

686
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<v Speaker 2>of the civilian who's flying the drone. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, But unfortunately, as you know, nobody, there's a lot

688
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<v Speaker 6>of software modifications you can make to override, for example,

689
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 6>the basic limitations of the flight pass, and you have

690
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<v Speaker 6>a lot of add ons, and the communities that you know,

691
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 6>build and customize the three dfferent parts for their drone.

692
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<v Speaker 6>So it's unfortunately not very hard to customize and go

693
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<v Speaker 6>and buy commercial drones of pols to build your own drones.

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<v Speaker 6>I think a lot of the footage that you've seen

695
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 6>the larger drones that don't appear to be commercial, Those

696
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 6>were customized by either a small company, have been flown

697
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<v Speaker 6>for other years. Just now people are paying attention, So

698
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<v Speaker 6>there's a a different interest in.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it your sense that this is a story that

700
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<v Speaker 2>is just going to drift off, that there will be

701
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 2>other stories that emerge and will stop talking about it,

702
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 2>or do you think that at some point, at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe when the new administration comes in and they will say, okay,

704
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<v Speaker 2>this is what was going on. There were they were

705
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<v Speaker 2>tests being done by a private company, a private US company,

706
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>to see what the capacity of a certain new drone was.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it just says that we will ever get a

708
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<v Speaker 2>definitive answer, or that it will just this will disappear

709
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<v Speaker 2>into the fog of of government technology that we'll never have,

710
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>will never receive a definitive, satisfactory answer. What's your guess.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think we'll get a conclusive answer. I think

712
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<v Speaker 6>even if we switch with a new government and everybody

713
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<v Speaker 6>and they have a heightened transparency and are able to

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<v Speaker 6>communicate better than the current one, there probably will not

715
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<v Speaker 6>be any conclusive answer about it. I think even if

716
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<v Speaker 6>there was some military contractor or the Eddy contractor with

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<v Speaker 6>Tefan drones in the area. I don't think anybody wants

718
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<v Speaker 6>to talk about it, so we'll probably focus on something

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<v Speaker 6>else as soon as the new cycles find something more

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<v Speaker 6>interesting to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, how could folks get more information about your company?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that you have a website. Is it Pivotal

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<v Speaker 2>Technologies Pivotal being spelled without the letter.

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<v Speaker 6>I, yes, it's p v O t L dot tech.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's where we have every boarding company for most

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<v Speaker 6>of the folks, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Pivotal dot tech dot com.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, there's no comm there's just dot tech.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good fine, Okay, that's that's that's that's new to me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. Ya Sheena appreciated very much. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>check back with you Lean. Thanks, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>We get back, we'll be talking with the governor of

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire, christ I considered him to be the best

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<v Speaker 2>governor in the United States of America in the last

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<v Speaker 2>several years. Uh, And I make no bones about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's been a really effective New Hampshire governor,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that he has represented his party both

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<v Speaker 2>in New Hampshire and nationally extremely well, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to spend an hour. If you like to talk with Kristan,

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<v Speaker 2>you will be able to call, but you can either

741
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<v Speaker 2>start now or wait until the lines get full, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it might get frustrating. Back on night Side with

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<v Speaker 2>Christan Nunu, Governor of New Hampshire right after this