WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.080 Hey guys, it's Jack. 2 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:02.520 I just want to talk to you for a moment 3 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:04.759 about how you can support the show. 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Contacos. 34 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:55.719 A lot popping off since we've had a last episode. 35 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.920 We get to have an emergency pod with Mark Poe Moreopolis. 36 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:02.959 It was for Greek Independence dy rather than the Signal 37 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:07.959 Gate stuff. But yeah, yeah, I didn't want any Marines 38 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:13.199 Sully podcast. But the Marines are back and we haven't 39 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:16.000 spoken about signal Gate publicly. We've been talking about it 40 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:21.479 on our signal chat, but just what's gone on and 41 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:25.879 the subsequent events afterwards, where you know, the entire administration 42 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.199 seems to just be spinning this as. 43 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.520 Like not a big deal. H incredible. 44 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.000 I mean, everybody don't really need to rehash what went down. 45 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.120 Mostly everybody knows what went down when signal Gate has 46 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:38.560 been like the talk of the town for like the 47 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:43.319 last week. So Mick, you start us off your thoughts, 48 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:44.199 what if you did this? 49 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:49.520 Ah well, I mean I'd start off starting with this. 50 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:55.000 I mean, if if folks were upset about, you know, 51 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.759 putting classified information on an email and sending it to 52 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:02.840 a private server and all that, what I was, they should. 53 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:03.439 Be upset about this. 54 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.039 If you're upset about one and not the other, then 55 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.439 it's really not about national security is and it's more 56 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:14.360 about your performative artisan you know, beliefs, which is up 57 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:18.280 to you. But I don't have those. So people should 58 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.800 deal with classified information the way it's authorized to be 59 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:26.960 dealt with it texts, sources and methods. And to the 60 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:30.439 extent that we're talking about the recent event, it protects 61 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:35.000 military members going into harms way. So everybody knows that, 62 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.680 everybody that's served in the military and the intelligence community, 63 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:39.520 this isn't this. 64 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:40.319 Isn't a hard call. 65 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.599 In my opinion, I've seen I've been in the Pentagon 66 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.960 when we've had I've been obviously on missions. We had 67 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.439 a mission chat. You know, my version of it was 68 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.639 a little smaller than the Department of Defense. When I 69 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.240 first got there and saw an actual like full military 70 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:00.879 operation mission CHAT, I was incredibly impressed. But that's not 71 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.639 what we're talking about today. We're talking about today is 72 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.000 taking the TikTok from that which is definitely in a 73 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.159 classified system. Everybody knows it's in a classified system. This 74 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:15.360 is talking about we're going to attack an enemy using 75 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:19.199 this platform at this time. And people say, well, didn't 76 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.439 say the location. Well, the enemy knows where they are, guys, right, 77 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.680 So all you need to know is an F eighteen. 78 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.279 Where the F eighteen come from? USS Harry Truman, Man, 79 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:29.399 that's where they come from. Did they know where the 80 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:33.800 USS Harry Truman is? Yes, they have Iranian surveillance vessels 81 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.720 all over the Red Sea. So if you know it's 82 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.839 coming in two hours, you know where you are because 83 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:40.720 they're going after Hooty leadership. And we'll get to that. 84 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.560 Which is a good a good thing. This disclosed very 85 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.360 sensitive classified information that never should have been out there. 86 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:50.399 It is what it is. 87 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:54.639 You shouldn't use signal, Yes, you're allowed to use signal. 88 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:56.720 You're also allowed to pick up an open phone in 89 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.800 the government but you're not allowed to do either of 90 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:03.839 those with classified MATERI. So I would say the best 91 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:06.319 to do, which is a little too late now and 92 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.920 they're not asking me, is take responsibility for your actions. 93 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.560 It meant you screwed up, come up with these and 94 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.560 take the consequences, and it's up to the president uh 95 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.480 and and come up with a better way to do 96 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.720 this in the future that never lets us happen again. 97 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:25.439 That's the way everybody's taught first day at boot camp 98 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:26.680 or ocs. 99 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:29.639 But that wasn't what happened. It was you know, excuse 100 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.199 for this and blame this and on. 101 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:36.600 So that's my take that going forward, we got to 102 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.399 hold everybody accountable for how they treat classified material. It 103 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.240 does come down the sources and method There's a lot 104 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.319 more you could talk about that was put out there 105 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.040 in this chat, you know, when it comes to sources 106 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:52.240 that are conducting clandestine operations and other stuff like that. 107 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.839 But ultimately this stuff should never have been put You 108 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.240 can you cannot add somebody to a classified system that 109 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.360 is not in the system, right you can on signal uh, 110 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:05.920 and then probably means that this this person was already 111 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.399 in somebody's you know, contact list. If you're if you 112 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.240 have portable systems that you could use, they can set 113 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.639 up tent. I think I forgot the name of the tent, 114 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.000 but maybe Jason remembers it. But in a in a 115 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:22.279 hotel room. You can obviously go to a skiff embassy 116 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.959 that has a skiff from jump into the CI spaces. 117 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.759 There's a thousand different ways to do it other than 118 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.959 to go on commercial app which is probably penetrated by 119 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.920 our adversary. Certainly they're trying to the last thing and 120 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.879 thought over Jason, is every one of these persons is 121 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:43.600 on the highest collection list for Russia, China or I 122 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:45.560 was on the highest and I was not obviously the 123 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.560 Secretary of Defense, and I still have on their list. 124 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:52.319 They tried to They try to get into your personal 125 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.040 devices and government devices every day, anything that touches the 126 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.360 Internet they're trying to do. And there's and they also 127 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:03.839 do that again journalists, especially if they report on national security, 128 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:07.160 because who do they talk to national security? So they 129 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.759 should probably do an entire review of this, figure out 130 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.079 how to make sure it never happens again, and determine 131 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.639 whether any of these devices had. 132 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.800 Already been penetrated. Just to make sure that we know 133 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:20.319 what the enemy might now know. 134 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.680 Yeah, I agree with everything that you said. Nick. 135 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.600 Like you said, from day one, you're taught, whether it's 136 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:35.319 in you know, blot camp OCS, onboarding, when you're going 137 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:39.160 to an intelligence agency, whatever it is, that number one 138 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:44.079 personal responsibility is huge because that will guide everything else. 139 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:51.120 And also, you know, stay off of unclassified platforms to 140 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:55.480 discuss classified things, like even if you're something that we 141 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:57.680 were taught when I was at CIA was even if 142 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:59.439 you're down the street I forget the name of that 143 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.040 pub that's right down the street from headquarters and you're 144 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.879 with your classmates or your friends or whatever it is, 145 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:10.360 you're not discussing classified information. You're not discussing work period 146 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.759 because you just don't know. Even if you think the 147 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.279 room is empty, you don't know if that room is 148 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:15.759 micd up. 149 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.600 You have no idea. So you have to be aware 150 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:19.439 of that kind of stuff. 151 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.480 And also, as you touched on, every one of the 152 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.279 people that were on that group, they've had these briefings. 153 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:27.920 Whether they want to say they did or not, they've 154 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:30.439 had these briefings, and common sense just tells you that, 155 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.919 you know, this is a platform that probably kids use 156 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.759 you know, yes, it's you know, it's a secure quote 157 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:40.200 unquote secure platform, but everybody uses it, so this shouldn't 158 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:45.080 be discussed here. As you also said, everyone's a target on, 159 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:49.080 especially everyone on that group. And I was thinking. I 160 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.559 was talking with a friend about it, and he did 161 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.720 the whole you know, wasn't classified thing, all this other stuff, 162 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:57.399 and I said, okay, I could almost give it to 163 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:01.440 you if the discussion has had a week after it happened, 164 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.200 or you know, a month after it happened. But this 165 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.080 is two hours before it happened. And if I'm not mistaken, 166 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:10.840 and maybe I am, but I believe that it was 167 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:14.200 called the Hoothy Working Group or something like that, so 168 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.000 it's not hard to put it all together, you know, 169 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:21.360 if you're someone who's in there. And uh, I also 170 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.000 want to add that the fact that you know it, 171 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.759 along with the mental gymnastics of dancing around taking responsibility. 172 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.159 But people talking about charging this the reporter. 173 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:34.440 Or the editor in chief for this for for what 174 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.799 you know that it's just it's ridiculous and I'd be 175 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.399 having just like you said, this same conversation, just switching 176 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.519 names out. If this was a democratic you know, democrat 177 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.639 administration or somebody else, because wrong is just wrong. 178 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.679 So absolutely so, Jake Gilberts, is what you're talking about, Jay, 179 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.559 j Gilberts to go there, But yeah, you want to 180 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:57.799 run into some people. 181 00:09:59.000 --> 00:09:59.879 Yeah. 182 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.639 I would point out to the last point that Jay 183 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:08.320 made is if that's the idea, like it didn't say classified, 184 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.240 then technically anybody in a skiff could read a document 185 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.240 that has TSSCI codewordness and take all the information out 186 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.480 of it, take it outside, not take the and just 187 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.399 text it an it's not classified. 188 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.480 I know someone sorry to interrupted, I know someone who 189 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:27.000 got fired from the agency for doing just that, cutting 190 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:32.399 printing out. They were printing out cables, cutting the classification 191 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.960 off the headers and the footer and not taking it 192 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:37.960 out of the building. But like discussing with people, it 193 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.240 didn't need to be discussed with. Yeah, it's it's just 194 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:41.960 common sense. 195 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:42.320 It's this. 196 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.159 Yes, it is the source of the methods, but especially 197 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.440 in this case, it's the information. Yep, right, this is 198 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.399 this is stuff that could get people killed. And I'm 199 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.240 not a partisans so I'm just going to call balls 200 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.759 and strikes all the time. I just wish more people would, 201 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:00.399 you know, decouple themselves from being partisan and just focus 202 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:02.519 more on just being an American and saying, hey, this 203 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:06.039 is obviously something that should not have been done and 204 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.639 it needs to not happen in the future. And then 205 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.360 if the next step is talking about yeah, man, that 206 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:14.360 is actually what we should be talking about. If it 207 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.519 wasn't for this, you know, I think series of mistakes, 208 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.840 because this is a pretty substantial escalation in a region. 209 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.000 Yeah, one quick question about like when you do when 210 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.159 you are a principle and you're starting in a new job, 211 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.559 and let's say you are a whit cough or you 212 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:33.399 are somebody who's not really been in the governmental world 213 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:36.720 like national security world or heg seth right, like he's 214 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:41.000 never been He's was in the military, but he's never 215 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:44.360 been to that level. I mean the first day, you've 216 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.759 got to be getting fucking briefs on like what to do, 217 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:48.759 what not to do, right, Like that's got to be 218 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.399 first and foremost. So it's not exactly like it was 219 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.639 a couple of years ago and the things slipped his mind, 220 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:58.279 Like this is like relatively recently. And you have a 221 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.519 serious fucking job, man, like take it seriously. And you 222 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:07.559 are provided with communications where you can chat with people 223 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.440 about what's going on. Do that in the right way. 224 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.360 Like I I said the joke last week with you guys, 225 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.039 like you know, my dumb friends from Brooklyn have better 226 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.080 like op SEC and some of these people that are 227 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:24.559 supposed to have like the highest secrets that we've you know, 228 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.639 the Secretary of Defense, like you're the top of the 229 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.039 food chain national security advisor as well, your top of 230 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:34.600 the food chain. So it's just kind of mind boggling 231 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:38.879 how this could happen and how they could at a 232 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.399 report our editor in chief of The Atlantic to the 233 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:42.360 clue chat. 234 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:45.360 And yeah, go ahead and mix. 235 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.720 And you have a staff too, I mean, so you know, 236 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.480 one of the things I told my staff was, if 237 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.440 I'm screwing up, tell me, you know, I don't think 238 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.159 you can hurt my feelings. I'd rather just do the 239 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:57.759 do it the right way than and get counseled by 240 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.559 my staff and the other So every one of their staff, 241 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:06.440 I mean, and they have active uniform advisors obviously to 242 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:08.440 the Secretary of Defense and all the way down in 243 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:12.720 his staff. I did, they'll be they'll turn you up 244 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:14.840 real quick if you're especially if you're breaking Opsact when 245 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:17.240 it comes to a military operation, right, they take that 246 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:20.519 very personal. So I don't know how this broke down. 247 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:23.240 There's certainly a question of whether this is just the 248 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.559 first time. To Jay's point, it said the HUTHI PC 249 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.559 small group. PC small group is the normal term for 250 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.120 the Principal's Committee meeting of that's pared down because it's sensitive, right, 251 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:36.360 you don't need the Secretary of. 252 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:40.440 Treasure that even though there Yeah. 253 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:42.720 Yeah, I mean they can, they can pare it down 254 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.840 that the small means it's it's not the full PC 255 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.600 where you know, you have every Secretary of Agriculture and 256 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.879 all that. So that's a question of whether this is 257 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.559 the only time it happened. I mean, is they're they're 258 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:58.519 labeling it of what you would label the actual meeting. 259 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:00.600 So I don't know, I don't don't know. I wish 260 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.080 people would just own up to it and then and 261 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.759 then come up with the policy that you know, fixes it, 262 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.200 and then we can start talking about Wow, so one 263 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.960 hundred sorties in like a twenty four hour period being 264 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:17.279 off just trying to hit the target facilities or the 265 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:18.320 launch facilities. 266 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:21.919 Rather they're going after the leadership. Yeah, which is great. 267 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.000 I think it's about time that these these hooty leaders 268 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.679 would like to get on with their you know, you know, 269 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.360 five hundred ribbons and talk about you know. 270 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:31.879 Back. 271 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.600 Innocent, unarmed civilian vessels, you know, trying to get through 272 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.440 the Red Sea. Start time, they start paying the price. 273 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:44.879 So hats off those who carried off the mission. And 274 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.039 I think it was the right policy decision. We'll see 275 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.480 if it works, but the only way you're going to 276 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:53.080 find out is to actually do this. 277 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.279 And they're moving, you know. I think the. 278 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.559 USS, Carl Vincent's and Guam it's even now, it'll be 279 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:05.759 there mid April. I think that is publicly available information. 280 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.279 I just googled it. They are moving, and I know 281 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:14.159 we're gonna get into this. I think there's multiple B 282 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.399 twos that have moved to Diego, Garcia. There's thirty five 283 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.960 squadrons coming in. I mean they're getting ready to tune 284 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:25.799 up some and I think that's the right answer. And 285 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.960 it's also supposed to send a message to Iran, which 286 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:29.559 I think it will. 287 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.360 I think that's basically what the main thing is about, right, 288 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.879 like sending the message to Wean, because I mean, you 289 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:40.799 don't need five B twos to hit hoothy targets, right 290 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:42.600 like what are we doing? 291 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:44.799 Right? And the B two, like we. 292 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.159 Discussed last week, is the only plan that can carry 293 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.759 the mop the big boy, you know, thirty. 294 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.159 Penetrator. What are you trying to hit with that? Right? 295 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.519 And yeah, yeah, thank you, And like. 296 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.159 You know, B twos can probably move around without their 297 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.879 transponders on and get to from one point A to 298 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.919 point B where it's not getting picked up on open 299 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:15.879 source twitters and stuff that follow aviation. Like, let's be real, right, like, 300 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.000 so there's a reason why they're putting this out there 301 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.159 that we're moving such like that much hardware to a 302 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.000 certain place which is in striking distance of around, Like 303 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.639 the B twos can take off from Saint Louis from 304 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.840 Missouri and bomb a r in and come back. You know, 305 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.320 it's not exactly like so, I mean, it's kind of 306 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.879 clear what's going on. Hopefully it does make our Ran 307 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:39.639 come to the negotiating table for their nuclear weapons and 308 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:45.039 hopefully Isral doesn't pop off beforehand. One quick last thing 309 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.240 with Pete Hexseth and the signal gate stuff and the 310 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.320 lack of OPSEC from the Wall Street Journal yesterday and 311 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.559 last night, Hexeth brought his wife to sensitive meetings with 312 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.639 foreign military officials. Mick, you were in the d D. 313 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.159 Did you bring your wife to sensitive meetings with other 314 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.400 you know, your your counterparts from foreign militaries. 315 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:06.200 Uh? 316 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:07.720 No, I mean I don't. 317 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.680 I don't know what they're I mean by and I 318 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.640 don't mean that as a way just to defend secretary, 319 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:16.160 except I. 320 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.079 Is it a meeting where like a meet and greet. 321 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:20.359 Yeah, I don't know. 322 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.519 I mean they definitely, you know a lot of these, 323 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:25.720 Like I've been to events, a lot of events where 324 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.960 I was there as the dasty with my wife, right, right, 325 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.000 she's been doing that for thirty years, right, So right, man, 326 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:35.319 I've got to a lot of meetings I didn't really 327 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:37.480 want to go to. So I don't I don't know 328 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.799 what the meeting was, So it's it's possible for me to. 329 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:43.359 To really sure. 330 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.880 It's not like a state visit where it's a dinner, 331 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.759 dinner party or something like that. 332 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:50.640 Yeah. 333 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.680 Sorry, one last last thing I'm curious to ask to you. 334 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.039 And I'm saying curious because I don't know the answer 335 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.160 as to the legality of and I don't know if 336 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:01.720 this is true or not, but I heard that the 337 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:06.640 meeting the signal group chat was set to disappear, the 338 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:10.400 messages to disappear after a certain amount of time. I 339 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:13.240 don't know what that violates, you know, I do know, 340 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:16.039 and Mike you know as well that the mantra is 341 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.759 if you didn't write it down, it didn't happen. So 342 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.000 I don't know if that's what we're doing here, you know, 343 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.119 But I'm just curious about that. 344 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:24.359 That's a good point, Jay. 345 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:28.640 So there's a record law which is like they take, 346 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:32.920 even at my level, they would take. They took all 347 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:35.880 the notes that I wrote. I'm sure nobody can ever 348 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:39.240 read them, but yeah, there's do you have to you 349 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.359 have to keep all especially in this especially in the 350 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:48.799 PCC meetings. That Policy Coordination Committee, which is the baseline 351 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:51.759 inside the NSC, which is the old executive building right 352 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.880 next the White House, right So there's there's people from 353 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.200 the O, d C, I, A state and folks that 354 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:01.079 come and meet in the NSC, and it goes the 355 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:05.440 Policy Coordination Committee, which is what my level was. Then 356 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:08.200 you have the deputy's committees, the deputy secretaries of this, 357 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:08.799 that and the other. 358 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:10.200 Then you have the PC, which is a. 359 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.960 Principal's committee, so the actual secretaries and then if the 360 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.079 president is there, it's called the NSC, so it's the 361 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.720 PC plus the president makes it the NSC. But all 362 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:23.960 that stuff there's recorded. I don't think they actually recorded, 363 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:27.240 but they take notes and then people actually sign off 364 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:28.039 on what was said. 365 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:29.079 So we all agree. 366 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.279 Primarily, we could agree what we agree to and what 367 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.559 we're all going to do to make it happen right 368 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.720 under the recage. Keep an act that way, under the 369 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:42.079 transparency of government that people can eventually one day when 370 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:45.160 it's declassified, say, oh, that's how the Bay of Pigs happened. 371 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.799 Yeah, So a little bit more about Hegseth's wife, just 372 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.880 to get the facts in there. Hex Seth's wife, Jennifer Hegseth, 373 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.759 has been president two meetings where sensitive information would discussed, 374 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:57.680 according to The Wall Street Journal, citing multiple people who 375 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.720 were president at the meetings or have not college of 376 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.079 her presence at them. The first meeting was high level 377 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.039 discussion at the Pentagon with the top UK military officials, 378 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:11.720 including the UK Minister of Defense John Healey, took place 379 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.200 in early March, the day after the US was announced 380 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.799 the US would stop sharing military intelligent military aid and 381 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.240 intelligence with Ukraine, and the second was in Brussels in 382 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:23.559 mid February at NATO headquarters during a meeting of the 383 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:27.519 Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a form of about fifty nations 384 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:29.839 meant to help coordinate military support for Ukraine as it 385 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:31.640 tries to fight off its invasion from Russia. 386 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:38.759 Yeah, I mean, again, sensitive is sure. If it was 387 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:44.200 it was a meeting in which classified information was being discussed, 388 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:45.960 and I don't know that it was, then the rules 389 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.079 applied to everybody. So if you don't have a clearance already, 390 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:50.680 you know should be in there. If it was just 391 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:55.119 high level discussions that weren't classified, I mean that's. 392 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:56.920 Yeah. 393 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:57.400 I don't know. 394 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:57.920 I can't. 395 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.200 I don't cast the judgment on something. 396 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.640 And then I don't know all the facts and I'm 397 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:04.400 rarely not here a cast judge, and I'm gonna just 398 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:06.680 explain what I think, you know, the rules are. 399 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:12.519 Yeah, So back to the Hoho thies and you know, yeah, 400 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:16.000 I mean we did hit them yesterday as well, in 401 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:18.960