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Thomas's back and we are going 23 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,480 to take a break from the Thirty Years War series, 24 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,719 and Thomas has some thoughts and he wants to talk 25 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,640 about Israel today. So take it away, Thomas. 26 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: We've discussed Israel before in dedicated series more than one, 27 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:19,800 I believe, and the Jewish state and its origins and 28 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:26,639 it's founding mythologies and the ideological imperatives that gave rise 29 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:35,080 to Balfour Declaration and Zionism becoming a significant global political force. 30 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,759 I write extensively on that, and it's a major aspect 31 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:47,599 of my manuscript, which I'm pleased to announces almost completed. However, 32 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:51,759 there's there's a subject matter within that broader sort of 33 00:02:51,840 --> 00:03:01,919 pastiche of of factors that is neglected, I think, and 34 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:08,840 not just by regime adjacent media and mainstream academ This 35 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,560 was on my mind not just because of this foolish 36 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,599 talk emanating from the way out of what Iran and 37 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:24,319 the ongoing attempted subversion of the revolutionary government there, but 38 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:32,360 about some months after the Twelve Days War, you know 39 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:39,360 this this sort of performative air war. I guess that 40 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:45,919 the Trump administration claims was targeting the Iranian nuclear program, 41 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:47,960 which which I don't think exists in the way that 42 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:52,319 is alleged by this administration or the regime generally. 43 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,719 Speaker 3: But that aside. 44 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: Kamani Supreme Leader Kahmani, he made a speech and in 45 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:10,879 it he talked about the Zionists plan for greater Israel 46 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:17,360 and the Levant, which is essentially the total ethnic cleansing 47 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:21,560 of large swaths of Syria as well as Gaza, as 48 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,839 well as the Levant and the replacement of the indigenous 49 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:33,680 element with racial Jews is defined by the zion Estate. Incidentally, 50 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:37,279 the Zionist state defines who is a Jew in explicitly 51 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:41,879 racial terms. It's a mirror of what the Nuremberg was were, 52 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:56,879 which is significant because that's basically without precedent within Jewish life, Okay, 53 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:01,040 and that's what come ins It was true. I mean, 54 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:05,439 even if you don't accept the revolutionary governments position on 55 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:11,120 other things, that's accurate what he described. And that's one 56 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:19,240 of the reasons why the sort of direct action that 57 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:31,199 IDF engages in seems outside of the scope of ordinary 58 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:41,920 military activity. Even whether there's a strong ethnosectarian animosity president 59 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:52,480 within the conflict paradigm and the hyper racialism of Israel 60 00:05:52,959 --> 00:06:00,160 goes back to its founding, and I'm going to discuss 61 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:09,480 that discrete instances of open racial warfare that constituted a 62 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:14,079 founding aspect of the military campaign that established the Jewish state. 63 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,639 Speaker 3: But it's also. 64 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:20,439 Speaker 2: Inductively one can extrapolate from that is it's part of 65 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:28,399 a wider integral paradigm of Zionist activity, political, military, and sociological. 66 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:35,839 That's the only way to understand it. And Israel was 67 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,839 normalizing to some degree in the nineteen nineties, which is 68 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,480 when and why Rabine was murdered and Israel, for all 69 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,839 practical purposes became a one party state. 70 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,319 Speaker 3: But you know the. 71 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: When I say, and when people like Ernst and Olti 72 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:09,439 and like Norman Finkelstein and others have discussed Israel as 73 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,279 being a totally abnormal state. So this is an aspect 74 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:17,160 of what they're talking about. There's a dialectical aspect as 75 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:26,519 well that relates to the same nucleus of historical causes 76 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:29,959 that gave rise to the Soviet Union and the Third Reich. 77 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:39,240 But it's also an outlier because it's the only is 78 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:41,800 the only state of its kind that is taken on 79 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:51,879 this naked we racialist naked we biologically racialist imperative as 80 00:07:52,160 --> 00:08:01,519 an absolute and unconditional aspect of its oracle mission and 81 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:07,040 its ideological practice. And I go as far to say 82 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:12,560 that it's essential to the constitution of the state conceptually 83 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:27,120 and actually, and that's also one of the major problems 84 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:35,639 that is emergent because that kind of secular, hyper racialized Zionism. 85 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:40,720 Nobody really believes in that anymore. And going back even 86 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:43,000 to the the you. 87 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,279 Speaker 3: Know, the. 88 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:49,159 Speaker 2: The nineteen forty seven forty eight war, which was really 89 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:52,159 a massive ross and kree he goes, a massive racial 90 00:08:52,200 --> 00:09:00,720 cleansing operation by Hagana and the Zionist International. But what 91 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:08,240 I mean, what's commonly you know, called the nineteen forty 92 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,639 eight war. There was a problem with some of these 93 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:22,360 outlying territories and Greater Palestine that had key strategic value 94 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:27,000 but that were populated almost exclusively by the ultra Orthodox. 95 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,240 Then these people had absolutely no interest in joining some 96 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:40,960 some racialist crusade, you know, against their neighbors and shuffling 97 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,080 populations around. I believe is something that the Leaku State's 98 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,759 gonna rely more and moron literally uprooting ultra Orthodox populations 99 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:56,320 and shoving them into racial lives battle spaces that they 100 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:02,279 themselves have curated. It's essentially forced these people to fight 101 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:08,399 or die and thereby try to radicalize them. I don't 102 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:14,320 think that's going to work, but that's one of the 103 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,240 things that that's going to be emergent. I believe it's 104 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:21,639 you know, you know, to be clear that I'm not 105 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,320 to get into this isn't hyperbole. 106 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: I mean, this is. 107 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 2: This, Uh, we're talking about the factual record. I admittedly 108 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:42,200 present historical analyses and inductive terms. I've had the thought 109 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,000 that it might be because I trained as a lawyer, 110 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:48,360 but I think that's. 111 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: More. 112 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,039 Speaker 2: If we're talking about ideological practice, I think that's really 113 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,600 the only way to approach it, and not not in 114 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:04,759 polemical terms, but you've really got to start with how 115 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:11,240 ideological imperatives are expressed and implemented and go from there 116 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:25,000 and understanding political behavior, especially at war, and especially in 117 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:28,759 discussing a state that is such an outlier like Israel. 118 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:36,919 So one are the examples I've been deeply researching lately 119 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:45,480 was a Zionist operation. It was implemented by Hagana, but 120 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:50,399 then it was continued by IDF. Hagana was the primary 121 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:58,600 armed element of the Zionist International Okay. Like they basically 122 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:06,720 Jews under arms in Palestine, Hagana was their primary organized force. 123 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,320 Hagana became the idea of Okay. But just to be clear, 124 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,799 from April to December of nineteen forty eight, Hagana slash 125 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:25,960 IDF they implemented what was called Operation cast Thy Bread. 126 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:37,000 This was a top secret biological warfare operation whereby among 127 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:43,639 other things, Hagana they used typhoid bacteria they isolated to 128 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:50,919 contaminate the drinking water in the wells of settlements that 129 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:59,399 they wished to ethnically cleanse within the coveted within the 130 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:05,080 battle space that constant the primary battle space constituted Palestinian 131 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:16,879 territory that was coveted by the Zionist cadre. But Operation 132 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:23,120 cast Thy Bread came to include neighboring states populated by 133 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:30,639 people identified as racial hostiles, and it also had the 134 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:38,559 further effect of preventing refugees who survived the ethnic cleansing 135 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:46,120 operation from returning to captured villages, and also as well, 136 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,519 it made it difficult for Arab relief armies, which arrived 137 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:58,200 primarily from Jordan later on, to make use of extant 138 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,919 water supplies which in the New Earies to this day 139 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:10,720 is a major concern. This operation resulted in pandemic illnesses, 140 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:18,919 at least locally, beyond the initial attrition that killed a 141 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:25,919 lot of people. In the final months, IDF gave orders 142 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:32,159 to expand the biological warfare campaign and the Egypt, Lebanon 143 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:38,720 and Syria, but for some reason this was not carried out. 144 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:41,399 I've got my own thoughts on that, and I'll get 145 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:49,240 into that as we go on in this topical discussion. Now, 146 00:14:50,639 --> 00:15:04,480 when this started coming to light, the response from the 147 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:09,200 designist political and military element, first and foremost from a 148 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:17,480 man named Abba Iban. He was the main representative of 149 00:15:17,559 --> 00:15:21,320 the Jewish Agency for Palestine, which was one of the 150 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:28,960 primary NNGO was involved in the settlement enterprise of bringing 151 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:34,480 European jewelry to the Middle East. He went on to 152 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:38,120 serve as the Israeli Foreign Affairs Minister, the Education Minister, 153 00:15:38,679 --> 00:15:42,799 the deputy Prime Minister. He was ambassad in the United States. 154 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:49,080 He ended up he was their first permanent representative, Israel 155 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Service permanent representative the u N. He was VP of 156 00:15:53,639 --> 00:16:00,440 the UN General Assembly. This was a big deal and 157 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,080 it's not actually in those days the UN actually had 158 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:07,480 quite a bit of authority or cloud rather as much 159 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,120 as an igo can. He insinuated himself into the UN 160 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:17,519 for a reason. But the official statement from you know, 161 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:23,240 Ida f Hagana authorities as well as the political cadre 162 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:27,360 then in control of the NACA design estate was this 163 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:34,159 was anti Semitic incitement and an Arab propaganda. You know, 164 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:37,200 this was in response to the fact that in July 165 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:43,759 the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, who on the ground had 166 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:48,799 pretty good relations with the British military contentionent that was 167 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,879 in the process of disengaging and leaving. 168 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:54,519 Speaker 3: They reported. 169 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: That there was wide scale use of bacterial logical warfare 170 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:08,240 that was killing people in mass and that's how this 171 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,559 came to the attention of the General Assembly and of 172 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:25,720 the global newswire generally. Now it came out subsequently, owing 173 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:29,680 in part to some Cold War intrigues, among other things. 174 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:44,160 Hagana's chief operations officer was Yagaliya Din Yagalayadn in nineteen 175 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:55,400 forty seven forty eight. The last UH known activity in 176 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:01,960 this regard, I believe was February nineteen forty eight. He 177 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:08,920 directed a microbiology student named Alexander Kenyon. Alexander Kenyon went 178 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,359 on to become the director of the Israeli Institute for 179 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,400 Biological Research. I'll get into what that institution does in 180 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:26,000 a minute, but he ya Dean as chief operations officer 181 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:32,599 of Aghana, he deployed Kenyon and the future is Raeli 182 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:43,559 President Ifran Katzer, who also was a disease expert and biologist. 183 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,119 He ordered them to begin researching the potential of chemical 184 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:58,759 and biological weapons, what their potential was, how these things 185 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:06,799 could be devised target discrete populations, how friendlies could be 186 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:13,599 potentially inoculated, if a weapon couldn't be engineered that was 187 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:20,480 splendidly devised to only affect targeted hostiles. And he had 188 00:19:20,519 --> 00:19:23,079 them go to Europe and see if they could make 189 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,400 contact with ethnic Jews on both sides of the Iron Curtain, 190 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:39,480 who had expertise in this regard. Now cat sears I 191 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:45,240 mentioned he was a biophysicist, That's what his actual discipline was, 192 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,759 and a big man. He went how to become a 193 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:51,920 big man in the Israeli Labor Party and again he 194 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,599 was president of Israel and Israel the real power of 195 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:59,279 government is you know, in the Prime minister, but the 196 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,319 president uh in national security affairs, as a fair amount 197 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:12,799 of authority. But what ultimately UH Kenyon and kits you're 198 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,599 they formed UH a unit that came to be called 199 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:26,279 hemid be It, which was an operational bio warfare unit 200 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:33,759 of the IDF Hagana then IDF, but the the the Israeli, 201 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:41,839 the Israeli Institute for Biological Research. It's clear that what 202 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:45,559 they were organized to do and what they continue to 203 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:46,480 do to this day. 204 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:53,799 Speaker 3: Is UH the development of chemical and biological weapons, as 205 00:20:53,839 --> 00:21:02,839 well as developing vaccines and animotes and countermeasures against such weapons. 206 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:05,680 This came to light. 207 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: The biggest UH espionage scandal in Israel's history was the 208 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:22,759 case of markets Klingberg. Marcus Klingberg was the highest ranking 209 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,640 spy for the Soviet Union and warsaw PEC ever ever 210 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:33,759 caught in Israel. He ended up becoming the UH Israeli 211 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,599 Institute of Biological Research as deputy scientific director. He was 212 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,640 this Polish Jew who was a committed communist and he managed, 213 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:44,799 you know, the Soviets are very good at this. He 214 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:49,960 managed to insinuate himself not just into Israeli scientific echa dean, 215 00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:54,079 but very much into politics. And not only was he 216 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,440 the director of the ib R, but he became a 217 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:04,279 head of the Department of Epidemiology from most of the seventies. 218 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,839 He was finally arrested in nineteen eighty three. He was 219 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,759 convicted in a secret military court, and Israel didn't even 220 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:16,720 acknowledge that they had him, that he'd been caught, that 221 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:21,319 he'd been convicted, until years after the fact. He was 222 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,319 quite literally sent down a hole. Now, if you know 223 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,680 anything about the Soviet Union and some of their priorities 224 00:22:28,759 --> 00:22:34,160 as regards WND, in the era of true strategic parody, 225 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,079 the Soviets, just like we were, They were looking for 226 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:55,880 alternative means to wage war that would take nuclear weapons 227 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:01,920 off the table other than as a tactical force multiplier 228 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:13,480 or last resort, and they convened what was called biopreparat. Famously, 229 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,720 there was the anthrax accident and one of the Soviet 230 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:26,359 unions closed cities were weaponized. Anthrax escaped and it killed 231 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:32,440 a few dozen people, and Yelson was the local party commissar, 232 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,640 and they claimed that some sort of outbreak of salmonila 233 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:42,799 had or something in that order. They said it was 234 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:50,319 tainted food. But Klingberg, it wasn't an accident. That the 235 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:55,119 Soviets were so interested in I mean, the Soviets were 236 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,839 constantly spying an Israels, they were at war with them. 237 00:23:58,319 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 3: But there's a. 238 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 2: Reason why there was such a dedicated effort in this regard. 239 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:09,000 And in the final phase of the Cold War, post 240 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:17,119 strategic parody, bioweapons and bio warfare potential became a matter 241 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:25,880 of very serious study, okay, And so in the nineties 242 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,359 when the Klingberg affair came to light, this all but 243 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:33,440 proved what had long been suspected that Israel had a 244 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,279 massive bioweapons program that was tailored for the purpose of 245 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:49,640 devising viral and bacterial agents, with an emphasis on diseases 246 00:24:50,680 --> 00:25:03,799 that could target populations based on genetic fail I believe too, 247 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:08,799 this is one reason why there's an internal racial hierarchy 248 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:16,599 within Israel. It's not just social prejudice. Why so many 249 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,400 Zionists are down on their Ethiopian brethren and they look 250 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,960 down on a lot of Jews indigenous to the region, 251 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,559 It's because they've got a hyper racialized view of political ontology. 252 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:42,720 But also I think their entire military, political, sociopolitical conditioning 253 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:53,319 revolves around quantifiable and calculable racial criteria, and the Ashkenasm 254 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,279 are a genetically insular population. And you see where I'm 255 00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:03,279 going with this, which again it's a macabre subject matter, 256 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,359 but this is the reality. 257 00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 3: In a. 258 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,799 Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two there was a plane crash in the 259 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:24,680 Netherlands LL Flight eighteen one eight sixty two. Among other 260 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:32,759 cargo it was carrying, it was carrying cargo bound for 261 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:41,400 the Israel Institute for Biological Research. This cargo consignment included 262 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:49,279 one hundred and ninety liters of dimethyl methyl faust phone eight, which, 263 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:55,400 among other uses, admittedly it can be it can be 264 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,839 used in the synthesis of saren nerve gas, and it's 265 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:06,799 scheduled for that purpose under the Chemical Weapons Convention, And 266 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,480 obviously this created something of a scandal. The claim from 267 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:17,160 Tel Aviv was that this material was non toxic and 268 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,240 it was simply being employed to test filters that within 269 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,359 military gas masks that protect against chemical weapons, particularly nerve agents, 270 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:37,119 which are notoriously difficult to develop countermeasures against. And they 271 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,160 claimed this was all above board, and this was listed 272 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,880 on the cargo manifest and if you know, the airlines 273 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,920 screwed that up somehow. That has nothing to do with 274 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:55,000 any sort of sinister behavior by the Institute or by 275 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:01,680 the Israeli government, the Dutch Foreign Ministry. Then when a 276 00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,200 damage control mode like the Zionist lackeys they are and 277 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:10,799 have been since, you know, the since nineteen forty five, 278 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:16,240 you know, and they began insisting that all these quantities 279 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,759 were far too small for the preparation of a viable 280 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:33,079 military useful, you know, nerve agent, but you know that 281 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:40,640 very well could be used for perfecting detection methods and countermeasures. 282 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 3: You know. 283 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:47,319 Speaker 2: This led to this British journalist later in the nineties. 284 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,759 I guess it's more of an intelligence writer. He's written 285 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:56,039 a lot of expose a's on m I five and things, 286 00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:04,839 but first and foremost he's a journal was. But he 287 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:16,160 he published an article on the iib ARE, the Israeli 288 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,480 Israeli Institute for Biological Research, and he said it doesn't 289 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:26,960 look anything like some academic research facility or even a 290 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:34,359 very secure commercial or academic laboratory. He related that the 291 00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:41,000 facility is surrounded by a massive concrete wall topped with 292 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,799 cutting edge sensors and surveillance technology. Armed guards patrol its 293 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,599 perimeter twenty four to seven. No aircraft are allowed to 294 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,920 fly over the facility. It doesn't appear on any map. 295 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:04,480 Inside the facility, nobody can move about absent the use 296 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:08,759 of code words and constant UH presentation of visual identification. 297 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:21,359 It's surrounded by an outer shell UH that utilizes bomb 298 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,599 proof doors that can only be opened by codes. The 299 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,680 codes are changed every day. Every corridor inside is patrolled 300 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,680 by armed guards. 301 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: I mean you under this. 302 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,079 Speaker 2: This is the Essentially this place is as heavily defended 303 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,079 as as as a as sack Norhead. But you're supposed 304 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:48,279 to believe that it's just a laboratory that deals in 305 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,279 research chemicals and and and and countermeasures against you know, 306 00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:02,759 poisoning things. So you get the picture. Not to be 307 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:12,400 clear how this came about in in terms of deployment. 308 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:15,519 Speaker 3: In UH. 309 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: The main there's there's two things I'm gonna talk about here. 310 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,440 What I believe and what a lot of the evidence 311 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:33,279 direct and UH circumstantial will suggests is that the experience 312 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:42,160 of the racial cleansing of Haifa is what really encouraged 313 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:48,599 Hagana I, DF and Earnest to start deploying bioweapons at 314 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:59,680 scale around Acre in Acre rather in the suburbs on 315 00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:04,839 a May third, ninety forty eight. Acre famously was a 316 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,799 you know, there was a Crusader castle there, one of 317 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:13,839 the last Crusader garrisons. It was this, you know, were 318 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:23,079 renowned city for its cultural artifacts and things. That's believed 319 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:30,640 to be the first low Guy where typhoid germs were deployed. 320 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,400 This was substantiated by the Red Cross as well as 321 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:40,240 British authorities. It's not not not just Arab documents and testimony. 322 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,000 Israeli troops introduced poison and they introduced the typhoid germs 323 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:57,920 into Wells an Acre and in Elebon in Galilee, leading 324 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,000 to a severe outbreak. H Acre was significant because it 325 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:08,680 was to be allocated to a future Arab state vis 326 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:15,079 a vis the UN partition plan for Palestine. It was 327 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:22,400 heavily relied upon because of its aqueduct for its water, 328 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:36,559 so it was imperative that within the boundary rationality of 329 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:45,000 Zionus objectives that it being captured. The attack was carried 330 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,720 out by the Carmeli Brigade of Hagana, who were considered 331 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:57,079 to be the spear point, as it were of Jewish forces, 332 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:05,039 Oriental Jews and Arab Jews indigenous to the region. They 333 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:10,599 were generally charged with lesser mission orientations, and they also 334 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:16,360 were encouraged and permitted to loot. And then when raports 335 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:26,559 had come in about Hagana elements and IDF elements engaged 336 00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,159 in this kind of a pen and lawlessness, the claim 337 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,079 would be that, well, these are just local militia men 338 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,639 victimizing people, or oh they're Arabs. You know what language 339 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:41,679 are they speaking? You know, it's very it's very clear 340 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:48,039 what the motivation was there. And in addition to just 341 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:58,280 prejudice within the tribe of against its own non ASKENASM brethren, 342 00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:10,039 probably the most successful in relative terms early use of 343 00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:19,800 chemical weapons was the village of bot Messir was racially 344 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:34,920 annihilated and subsequently remaining refugees were murdered by way of 345 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:43,519 the poisoned water sources, which, among other things, again precluded 346 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:53,119 a return, and it required high investment to render these 347 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:58,840 places livable again. But that's exactly what design of state 348 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:06,880 did and replace the uh the people they killed and 349 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:13,639 expelled with their own kind. But what happened in Haifa that, 350 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:23,880 in my opinion, led to this wide use of biological agents. 351 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,679 I mean, make no mistake, this wasn't imperative that was 352 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:32,400 going to be pursued anyway for reasons of ideological practice. 353 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,039 In Rosen krieg which are synonymous when we're talking about 354 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:45,559 the design of state. But operations in Haifa haiphas a 355 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:52,159 port city, and there's a fairly sizable contingent of British 356 00:36:52,199 --> 00:37:07,880 troops there, and as it became clear that you know, 357 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:18,159 ethnic cleansing was probable, was possible, if not probable, a 358 00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:27,199 lot of the affluent and literate people fled Haifa. The 359 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:33,599 people remained between fifty five and sixty thousand Palestinians. They 360 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:40,039 were leaderless and there's a comparatively potry number of Arab 361 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,239 volunteers under arms, so they were essentially at the mercy 362 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,880 of Jewish forces in nineteen forty eight, and despite the 363 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,559 presence of this British garrison, this is one of the 364 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:57,480 most shameful episodes of the late British Empire. They were 365 00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:01,760 charged of protecting the people there and from preventing a 366 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:08,280 race war. Essentially they did absolutely nothing and let this 367 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:08,760 go on. 368 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 3: But the uh. 369 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: Hagana Idf they drove the Arabs from their homes and 370 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:32,519 began forcing them towards the water, and they positioned snipers 371 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,280 so that no one could escape, and then they began 372 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,679 massively shelling this population at tens of thousands of people 373 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:47,280 who were fleeing in terror, literally funneling them so they 374 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,760 could only run in one direction, and then they began 375 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,519 bombarding them with mortars and then just blowing them to pieces. 376 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:04,920 The operation was code named Missparium, which means scissors, indicating 377 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,360 the idea of both a pincer and cutting the city 378 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,159 off from the Palestinian hinterland, as well as a surgical 379 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:13,800 removal of the unwanted element. 380 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 3: But this. 381 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:25,199 Speaker 2: Caused international outcry, especially because this British garrison, although totally 382 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:35,440 derelict and their duty, they did constitute a cadre of 383 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,519 credible witnesses to what happened, and it was a very 384 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:46,599 bad look. There was testimony about people being stampeded to 385 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:54,679 death as their co ethnics were literally running for their 386 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,719 lives and being blown to pieces by mortar rounds or 387 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,199 having their brains blown out by snipers. 388 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 3: You know. 389 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: Uh, most of these people were not military age males. 390 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,920 They were Middle Agian old folks or women and kids. 391 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,480 You know, So that mean this was a problem. Especially 392 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:26,559 uh you know, television wasn't yet ubiquitous are even common, 393 00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:29,599 but cameras are becoming ubiquitous, particularly. 394 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:33,039 Speaker 3: In in combat zones. You know. 395 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:48,679 Speaker 2: It Uh Hypha, you know again, I mean it was 396 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:55,280 as a port city, Uh was coveted. But the main, 397 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:08,760 the main, really the only objective was racial warfare and 398 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:21,400 the annihilation of the unwanted element based on biologically racial criteria. 399 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:33,079 You know again, that's not iperbly as an arguable I 400 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:39,559 will Uh. 401 00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:40,679 Speaker 3: There was. 402 00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,679 Speaker 2: To be fair too. There were instances of British on 403 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,519 the ground acting heroically. Unfortunately that was the exception, not 404 00:41:50,599 --> 00:42:01,280 the rule. There was a it's only really only in 405 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:09,800 one area. The first it was the oldest Palestinian neighborhood 406 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,400 that had been built outside of the old city's walls. 407 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,480 And it was also Uh. It was also where a 408 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:24,039 lot of noble and notable families hailed from, including uh 409 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:29,320 the Sans and include you know, the one of whom 410 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,599 was a grand Mufti al Husseini who was a great man. 411 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,800 But Uh, chik Jarrah is the neighborhood we're talking about. 412 00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:47,000 The local British commander did step in the instruction that 413 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:53,360 came down to Jewish forces at chik Jarra in Uh 414 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,679 April twenty four, ninety eight, was to occupy the neighborhood, 415 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:06,000 destroy all its houses and you know, annihilator, expel every 416 00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:13,679 every every non Jew. The secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, 417 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:26,559 doctor Hussain Khalidi, he'd UH liaised with the British Commander's troops, 418 00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:37,679 and UH the commander that garrison confronted Hagana and UH 419 00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:42,840 was ordered as men to to shoot the Jews if 420 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,800 they tried to harm the the Arab population. And with 421 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,360 the exceptionion about twenty houses that Hagana managed to blow 422 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,320 up or burn, that was it because Uh, Hagana immediately 423 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,280 backed down in lieu of fighting the British army, which 424 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,320 goes to show too that these guys were just cowards 425 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,679 who refused to intervene in other locales. 426 00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 3: You know. 427 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,039 Speaker 2: And to be clear, this wasn't this was the British Army, 428 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:18,119 This wasn't blue hats, it wasn't some stupid peacekeeping mission. 429 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,280 This was the thin red line of the British Empire, 430 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,199 you know. And UH they'd also given a commitment, they'd 431 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,519 committed to protecting these people by their own initiative. Just 432 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,000 to be clear, you know this about the conditions on 433 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:41,239 the ground, but it goes to show that, you know, 434 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,880 when when the British made it clear that they were 435 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,599 going to defend the Arab population by force of arms, 436 00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:49,920 you know, Hagana back down. 437 00:44:52,119 --> 00:45:00,360 Speaker 3: So this was a political decision by the. 438 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,679 Speaker 2: So called world community to let this happen. Among other things, 439 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:17,159 that's not propaganda either, when people victimized by the zion 440 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:27,119 of state, you know, issue forth that claim to be clear. 441 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,880 But so there's a lot of reasons, including the fact 442 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:41,320 that it wasn't clear if what happened in this community 443 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,159 outside of the old city's walls, if this is going 444 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:53,199 to become a matter of standing doctrine into the remaining 445 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,599 British troops on the ground, if the roe that the 446 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,719 crown handed down was going to be to any Haghana 447 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,639 i DF when they attempt to implement these ethnic cleansing operations, 448 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,239 even if that wasn't even if the Jews that are 449 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:23,079 totally freehand, what happened at Haifa provoked global outrage in America. Obviously, 450 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:29,440 the concern too was that these era populations are gonna 451 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,719 be you know, appropriated by the Soviet camp, which is 452 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,920 exactly what happened owing to the sort of unrestrained racial violence. 453 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:53,280 So it was a perfect storm of incentives to go 454 00:46:53,559 --> 00:47:01,280 all in with the deployment of by a logical weapons. 455 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:07,800 But again I'm not suggesting that it was barely exitent 456 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,840 circumstances within the bound irrationality of the objectives of Hagana. 457 00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:22,360 They this would have been a matter of significant interest 458 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:28,880 and as they viewed it, military necessity regardless developing a 459 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:35,840 capability in this regard. But it's you know again, I 460 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:44,039 this this is the best way to demonstrate the practice 461 00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:52,440 of Zionism, which again entails every aspect of Jewish life 462 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:59,159 and the zion estate, military, political, sociological. This is the 463 00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:09,960 practice of design is dedicated racial warfare based on biological criteria, 464 00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:11,920 and that's not. 465 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,679 Speaker 3: Discussed enough. 466 00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: Well, when you when you take into consideration that they 467 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,800 don't do DNA tests, they you know, they've I think 468 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,360 they did at one point, but now it's basically they 469 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,960 do it through birth certificates, marriage certificates, synagogue records, old passports, 470 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:45,039 letters from rabbis or Jewish organizations. It really that raises 471 00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:46,960 a lot of questions. 472 00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I don't believe anything that comes out 473 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,199 of Tel Aviv. They claim they stopped doing it after 474 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,920 the uh But at the same time, for writer return stuff, 475 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,719 particularly with saying this Ethiopian population that was claiming refugee 476 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,840 status and write a return they're in you know, they 477 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:12,239 submitted uh, they submitted genetic evidence. I mean for the 478 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,159 way it plays out, like I said, it's pretty much 479 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:16,920 exactly like the Nurember was. If you have a you know, 480 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,000 it's it's it's Jewish parentage that makes you a Jew. 481 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:23,400 But it's like, okay, like who's attesting to that? And 482 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,639 plus two, I mean, there's you can you can tell 483 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:32,199 it really is an There really is an Ashkenasm culture. 484 00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 3: You know. 485 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 2: That's very insular and uh sure there's ah it's not 486 00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:54,159 uh as formal within uh the tribe as it once 487 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,840 was early on in the Zionist enterprise, I'm certain, but 488 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,679 but it's make the mistake. It's it's uh, it's biologically 489 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,760 coded because there's there's there's nothing else to secular Zionism. 490 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:22,119 It's this bizarre prestiche of dead language revival, Holocaust mythology, 491 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,400 racial supremacism. You know, it's not that's that's one of 492 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:34,719 the reasons why. I mean, obviously it's primarily theological and conceptual, 493 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,239 while the ultra Orthodox don't abide it. But it's also 494 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,199 doesn't alien to them, it's some it's some weird import 495 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:48,559 of uh these uh like mixed blood ash gnasm who 496 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,719 were marinated in this racial pressure cooker of Central Europe 497 00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:00,000 that that doesn't have some that doesn't have a concept 498 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:01,440 x the people outside of that. 499 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,760 Speaker 3: I mean, don't get me wrong. 500 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 2: There were there was a nutty and bigoted extreme ASTs 501 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,679 indigenous to Palestine who took on design as cause and 502 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:29,280 decided that they wanted to purify the Jewish homeland of 503 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:36,840 of their racial enemies. But that that's not the the 504 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,400 core of Zionism, not just in terms of the people 505 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:46,199 who constituted you know, the the spear point of Hagan 506 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,320 and things, but also the core idealogues they I mean, 507 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,639 these by definition were people who came from elsewhere. 508 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:54,599 Speaker 3: You know. 509 00:51:55,159 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 1: But you also made the point in the beginning that 510 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:08,039 the whole concept of like Eric's Israel is to bring 511 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,920 you know, more Jews there. Uh do they want to go? 512 00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:21,239 I mean, you know, they can they survive without having 513 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,480 a diaspora. I don't think they can. 514 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 2: No, but it's not. But they also know that there'd 515 00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:29,440 never be a situation where Jews all migrate to Israel, 516 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,119 I mean Israel secondary it's something I try to explain 517 00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:35,199 to people. It's particularly grotesque when they go about things. 518 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,920 It's the people who believe in the enterprise are extremely 519 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,360 radical and extremely violent. The it creates this sort of 520 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:59,360 identitarian ethos and UH philosophy out of this endless conflict mechanism. 521 00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:04,239 But I mean that that's the whole point, among other things. 522 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,280 The point isn't you know where we're gonna bring the 523 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,199 diaspora all to Israel. 524 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 3: I mean that may have been. 525 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 2: In in you know, in in the Inner Warriors and things, 526 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,400 or even in the immediate aftermath of Balford Declaration, and 527 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:31,199 and you know, during a early UH race wars with 528 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,360 the Arabs, you'd have guys talked that way, and some 529 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,840 of them actually believed it. But that's that was never 530 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:44,960 the majority of consensus among the Jewish people or their elite. 531 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,159 And I mean that's never there was just never realistic, 532 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:55,320 you know. But it's a doomed enterprise for all kinds 533 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,599 of reasons. That's one of the reasons, or that that's 534 00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:09,000 that's the approximate cause of it's irrationality. It's it's got 535 00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:17,079 to realize this grand objective of this greater Judea racial 536 00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:23,440 state within theater or the enterprise is going to die. 537 00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 3: You know. 538 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 2: That's why, uh you know, in in in forty years, 539 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:40,599 Israel as we know it won't exist anymore. What some 540 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,360 sort of ultra orthodox theocracy will look like because an 541 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,400 open ended question, but it's it's going to be very different, 542 00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:52,440 you know this, Uh, but that, but that's also why 543 00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,400 that's also why Netanyahu is just dictator for life, because 544 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,960 there's there's nobody to replace him. There's no backbench. You know, 545 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,760 it's a it's it's a gerontogracy, just like in America 546 00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:06,840 and American Israel are the same thing in terms of government. 547 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:07,679 Speaker 3: But you know what I mean. 548 00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:16,599 Speaker 1: All right, Well that was uh, that was some important history. 549 00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,599 Speaker 2: Thank you, you're welcome. Yeah, I hope that was informative 550 00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:20,920 and didn't bore everybody. 551 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,760 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna borrow anyone. I'll remind everybody. 552 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,639 The best way to hook up with Thomas if you 553 00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:32,440 want is substack. His substack is real Thomas seven seven 554 00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:37,239 seven dot substack dot com. And you know from there 555 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,760 you can connect to everywhere else there's uh is it 556 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,199 Thomas seven seven seven dot com. The t is a seven. 557 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my website. Yeah, and on social media and stuff, 558 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,880 even though I I I really disdained social media. They're 559 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,920 probably gonna ban me again too, because like a bunch 560 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,440 of a bunch of a bunch of internet weirdos get 561 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,159 really mad at me today. I mean like like, I mean, 562 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,920 like people will eat us anyway sometimes, like I'll say, 563 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,360 I'll make some offhand remark and I'll get really agitated. 564 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,519 I think I think they're mad at me for like 565 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,760 making fun of their making fun of their rabbi, mister Trump. 566 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:18,519 Speaker 1: But well, yeah, that is some Yeah, that's something that 567 00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:23,360 that's been hard to uh unsee lately. How many people 568 00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:29,639 have all of a sudden jumped on the Trump train. 569 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,599 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean they're they're he lots uh in 570 00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:37,440 the in the synagogue of Figure. But I but I 571 00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,280 digreet point being I things are, things have been going 572 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,360 very well. And yeah, I wanted to just just a 573 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,679 good shout out in a couple of weeks where me 574 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,880 and the Fellas are going to Michigan because Thomas Tour 575 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,800 was starting up again in March and we're gonna go 576 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,119 meet Nico Klou and I'm hoping some of the Detroit guys, 577 00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,159 some of the Detroit guys said they want to meet up, 578 00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,280 and I got a lot of love from our Michigan peoples. 579 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 3: That made me feel good. 580 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,320 Speaker 2: But if you're one of those people's or if you 581 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,679 want to meet up, go check out the upcoming events 582 00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:11,360 at Substack. I'm a Substack and all the infos right there. 583 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,280 It's just gonna be like a quick like it's a 584 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,320 quick two day con. It's like horror and crime stuff. 585 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,280 So I'm sure a lot of people flying a freak flair. 586 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,360 You're gonna be there. But we're going to see Nico 587 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,440 and it might be cool man, and Michigan is in 588 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,239 an awesome state, and you know, I'm looking forward to 589 00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,199 meeting our peoples there. So that's I just wanted to 590 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:32,599 show my own ship real quick, all. 591 00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: Right, Thomas, thank you very much. Appreciate it. 592 00:57:35,000 --> 00:58:00,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, buddy s