WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:04.440 Baby, I'm a gainster too. It takes a little tangle. 2 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:06.639 You don't want mess with me? 3 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:14.439 Mess with me, lady, I'm a gangster too. 4 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:25.480 Trigger warning. 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.000 This podcast may include explicit content that will take you 6 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:32.759 out of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 7 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.159 Listeners dix question is advised. 8 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.079 Don't fuck with me, fellas. 9 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:45.960 This ain't my first time at the rodeos. 10 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:57.719 I can't see the face up to the facts. I'm tensing, nervous, 11 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.960 and up kind of lines. I can't sleep because my 12 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:11.599 bets on Pune God a real live wire Psycho Killer, Cascas. 13 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:19.560 Run One Run Run Ron. 14 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:25.359 Psycho Killer. 15 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:30.920 Hello, we're keeping the gamboe rolling with this next episode, 16 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:36.079 Jonathan and Jacob from the Cult of Conspiracy join me 17 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:43.200 for a swapcast today on All Hallow's Eve Murders. I 18 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:47.359 will be presenting some interesting research I've found surrounding some 19 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:51.680 of the most unknown and ritualistic murders that have went 20 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:57.159 down on Halloween. We all know the slashers like Freddie 21 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.560 Fucking Krueger and Michael Myers, But what if the real 22 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:06.920 life Boogeymen are more deadly, deranged and depraved than the 23 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:12.280 made up monsters on screen? That's what we will be 24 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.120 discussing in today's episode. I've included a link in the 25 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:18.439 show notes where you can go to find more from 26 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:24.479 the Cult of Conspiracy, but without further ado, Buckle up, 27 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:27.800 You're in for a bumpy ride. Let's go. 28 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:54.800 Hello and welcome to the show. 29 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:59.400 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan Jake, 30 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:03.159 and today we have back guys, mc peach, Julia, Welcome 31 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:03.759 to the show. 32 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:12.159 Fam fanfamfab returning Jams. Yes, this is going to be 33 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.319 a swapcast. My listeners already know what it is. We're 34 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:21.000 besties at this point and I just enjoy doing episodes 35 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:26.120 with you guys. I'm kicking off what I'm calling the 36 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:32.719 twenty twenty three Ghost Jamboree, okay for October, and so 37 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.360 I wanted to talk to you guys tonight about some 38 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.360 kind of occulted murders that happened on Halloween. 39 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.599 I love it when the veil is at its thinness, 40 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:44.240 I love it. 41 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.520 I absolutely love this. And also I saw you had 42 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.240 a drink in your hand a minute ago. Are you 43 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:49.919 you're a Christian? 44 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:50.360 Correct? 45 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.400 I am? I do? IM vibe? 46 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:54.479 Well. 47 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:56.960 The reason why I asked this because today is actually 48 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.360 maybe as a time of recording, which is a wik 49 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:02.360 and holiday of a second harvest and apples and wine 50 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.080 and like that type of festivities that are a big 51 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.240 thing on this day. I thought that was a nod 52 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:08.960 to that. But my bad, I forgot. You are a 53 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:10.520 child of god ASA's eye, you. 54 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:11.759 Know, bes I am. 55 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:16.079 But you know, any wickens out there, Mary maybeen't to 56 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:16.759 you anyway. 57 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.360 Yeah, Jesus did turn the water into wine, so he 58 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:24.439 didn't like he has a heart after mine, So cheers 59 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.360 to that. I have jack fire here. 60 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.439 Oh you're drinking a cinnamon whiskey. 61 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.879 Yes, yes, I'm having jackfire neat and chasing it with 62 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:35.839 a little A and W. 63 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.720 So wait a minute, wait wait wait, cinnamon whiskey and 64 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:40.319 root beer. 65 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:42.360 Dude, it's so good. 66 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:44.480 It sounds like a good combo. 67 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.600 Interesting the vanilla with the root beer and the cinnamon 68 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.639 from the whiskey. It just kind of, I don't know, 69 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.120 it just goes together. It's like a hot toddy. 70 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:54.240 Okay. 71 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.920 Well as far as the what was it called jack fire, 72 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.279 So yeah, I would say that's like a booge your 73 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.879 version of you know, your basic white girl fireball then 74 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:04.399 for sure. 75 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:04.680 Yeah. 76 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:07.800 But fireball like makes it's so sweet, it like almost 77 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.399 makes me sick when I drink it. But jackfire is, 78 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:13.959 like you said, it's a little bougier, so I can 79 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.319 drink it without you know, the after effects of fireball. 80 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:20.319 But you're drinking it neat. 81 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.600 But then again you're chasing it with the A ANDW bags. 82 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:25.439 Yeah, I got, I got a little A and W 83 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:26.079 going on. 84 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:27.079 I beg. 85 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:30.920 So I don't know where you guys want to start, 86 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.800 but I love getting your reactions when I just like 87 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:38.560 drop stuff on you, and I want to get your thoughts. 88 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:43.879 Why do you think Halloween would be significant if someone 89 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:49.040 was going to murder another person for obvious reasons? It's Halloween? 90 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.720 But do you know anything about like the origins of Halloween? 91 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.759 All right, so I have a good knowledge on this, Jonathan, 92 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.319 you go first, what is your background on a murder 93 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.160 or some sort of a violent act on Halloween? 94 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.040 I mean, I always think like Friday the thirteenth kind 95 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:05.399 of deal. 96 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.199 But as the yeah, yeah, yeah. 97 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.560 However, I did want to make this, uh, this little caveat. 98 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.480 I saw this quote yesterday and it made absolute sense 99 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.600 because it's dating back to something that that Anton Levey 100 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:25.439 once said and he said he loves like, he loves 101 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.959 how Christians celebrate Satanism one day. 102 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.639 A year when and he's talking about Halloween. 103 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.560 And he says he loves how parents let their kids 104 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.120 celebrate Satanism and and pretend that there's something that they're not. 105 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.920 And I just thought that that was, like, damn, bro, Like, 106 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:43.920 I don't know if that's what everybody's doing, but from 107 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.240 his perspective, he's he sees it as a woman. 108 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.800 Okay, oh yeah, I actually never heard him say that. 109 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:53.399 That's that's fascinating. Okay, pretty wild. 110 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.600 So as far as my background on on all hallowsy, 111 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.000 even Halloween and the big feast that goes on into 112 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.600 that and the history behind it all, it depends on 113 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.319 what culture we're talking about. All over Europe, people had 114 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.959 their own harvest festivals that would go on around that 115 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.800 time of year. As far as what Americans celebrate as 116 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:13.879 far as Halloween is concerned, I mean, how the Jack 117 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.600 the lantern that goes back to the Celtic tribes that 118 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.000 used to take skulls of their enemies and put candles 119 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.680 in them. Then there's a whole other Irish drinking tale 120 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.079 that tell us about a dude with a turnip that 121 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:28.480 made Jack. Yes, yes, which is a crazy story about 122 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.959 a guy who outwitted the devil and it's fascinating. I 123 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.720 do love Irish folklore like with a strong passion. 124 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.720 Did he do it without a fiddle? No, he did 125 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:39.319 it at a bar. 126 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:42.800 I don't think any fiddles were involved, but I'm down 127 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.680 with a fiddler if they could add one to the story. 128 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.360 Yes, But now, okay, So All Hallow's Eve is in 129 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.560 reference to the fact that November one is All Saints Day, 130 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.199 so it is supposed to be an extremely holy holiday 131 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.519 if you follow the Catholic you know. 132 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:04.120 Fate when the veil hardens. Well allegedly yes, allegedly. 133 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.120 No, Maybe that's why it was All Saint's Day is 134 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:07.759 because that was supposed to be the day that it 135 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.600 was the thinnest. But all of that goes back to 136 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.800 pagan equinox and with in like a calendar style festival. 137 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:16.680 So as far as why. 138 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.439 They even made that day specifically All Hollows Day All 139 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.560 Saint's Day, who's to say the Catholic Church was trying 140 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.000 to pretty much integrate paganism into its ranks at such 141 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.000 a phenomenal rate. 142 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:28.560 And they did. They conquered Europe. 143 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:29.519 You know. 144 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.799 Yeah. I actually it's it's interesting that you bring that 145 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:37.360 up because I found that it was Pope Gregory the 146 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:43.120 Third who made November first All Saints Stay. But he 147 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:47.279 did end up incorporating a lot of paganism into All 148 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:53.720 Saints Day. So he claims that it was to counteract 149 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:59.559 the Celtic festival for sam Hayne, which was October thirty first, 150 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.559 so he made November first All Saints Day to kind 151 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.519 of I don't know the juxtaposition of their holiday in 152 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:10.320 our holiday, but what he ended up doing over time 153 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:16.000 is that he incorporated all the traditions for the sam 154 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.799 Haynes celebration into All Saints Day, so it ended up 155 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:24.519 just being a big, massive cluster fuck. Anyways, Indeed, they 156 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:29.440 started referring to the day before All Saints Day as 157 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.080 All Hallow's. 158 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:35.320 Eve, because Hallow meaning holy like Hallow right would be 159 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.679 the ground that you could it could be it's sanctified 160 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:40.200 ground that would be able to let people be buried in, 161 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:41.919 build a church upon that type of thing. 162 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.879 So yes, yes, but you know they have to like 163 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.679 overtime incorporate Well, it's like, oh, we'll just do a 164 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.679 little bonfire on our day two, or like, oh, we'll 165 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.000 just do a little this on our day two or this, 166 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.240 then you just get Halloween out of it. 167 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:58.600 One of my favorite traditions is actually where trick or 168 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.240 treat came from. And I'm I'm drawing a blank on 169 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.159 the actual culture of origin. I'm not sure if it 170 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.360 was Slavic, if it was German, if it was Celtic. 171 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.080 I'm not a hundred on this, but somewhere upper in 172 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:11.279 the uh the upper upper white types of people's in 173 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:16.759 the northern the Acity region. The extra audacity on that 174 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:21.799 caucacidy right, And basically a bishop style dressed dude would 175 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.919 black face himself, knock on a door straight up, a 176 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:26.799 trick or treat would be his thing. And the parents 177 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.039 are pretty much rat on their kids to this person. 178 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:32.399 And I forget the title that this guy was. And 179 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:33.960 I don't even know if it was actually a preacher, 180 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.840 just like some dude that like took on the roll 181 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:39.279 for the year of beating everybody's kids because like whatever, 182 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.120 but either he would get fed or he you know, 183 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.039 he'd beat the shaty's kids that didn't do their chores 184 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:45.440 and make him a treat for that day and that 185 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.679 was incorporated into Halloween. It's wild when you go down. 186 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.360 That sounds like some kind of a fresh hell right there. 187 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.440 Keep in mind the Germans also have crumpus for Christmas, 188 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.799 so like this sounds really German out loud, you know 189 00:10:57.799 --> 00:10:58.159 what I mean. 190 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.919 By the way, for all the win Cans out there 191 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.399 who are going to fry both of you for saying 192 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.759 sam Hayne, say sam Hayne. 193 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.840 She did, all right, I said, sam Hayne. But I 194 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.360 have a story to back it up. 195 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.519 Actually, yeah, yeah, I know that that's like the English 196 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:17.480 translation or whatever. But what I always sam Hayne. It's 197 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.960 but it's how they pronounce it in like the Wicca 198 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.480 is Slowyn. 199 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:25.879 Oh, Solwyn, I didn't know that's what you were saying. 200 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.080 I thought you were referring to a dude named Sam Hayne, 201 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.399 you and Swyn the festival. 202 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:35.519 Yes, and I'm glad you brought that up actually because 203 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.200 the story I was going to tell about it, it's 204 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.039 pronounced correctly in this story that I'm about to tell. 205 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.919 But uh, we're talking about Halloween murders. So to get 206 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:51.679 us started, I feel like it's very necessary to bring 207 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:56.039 up the son of Sam and where that name comes from. 208 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.120 Who he was and who he said that he was 209 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:03.120 in touch with, which was Sawyn Sam Haynes, son of 210 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:11.600 Sam Sawyn. So in several interviews, actually he stated that 211 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.960 he was communicating with U Sawyn, hence the son of Sam. 212 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.519 But did you know that the son of Sam, David 213 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.879 Berkowitz has a connection to a Halloween massacre? 214 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.159 Let's go what I'm here for? 215 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:30.360 Okay? 216 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.120 Hold on, now, hold on? Why is that. 217 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:40.960 So? The bodies of Elizabeth Plattsman, nineteen years old and 218 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:46.000 Ronald Sismand thirty nine years old were found Saturday morning 219 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:52.480 following Halloween at Ronald Sisman's duplex in Manhattan. The couple 220 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.919 were severely beaten, shot in the back of the head 221 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:01.399 execution style. And before or after the murders, somebody had 222 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:06.919 like ransacked the place. Furniture was ripped up. It almost 223 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:08.840 looked like they were trying to toss the place and 224 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:14.440 find something, but they were shot execution style, and they 225 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.120 were trying to figure out who would do this because 226 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.480 it was actually a pretty affluent neighborhood. These people had 227 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:25.639 no enemies whatsoever, and the police got this tipster. They 228 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:29.080 got a call from this person who never identified themselves, 229 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:34.320 and it was a bizarre ass tip They said that 230 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:41.759 they knew someone who had predicted the murder of Elizabeth 231 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:47.759 and Ronald weeks prior to it actually happening. And they 232 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:52.200 were like, Okay, who's this mysterious fortune teller And the 233 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.039 tipster said, it's actually David Berkowitz, the son of Sam. 234 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.919 He predicted this whole thing taking place weeks before it happened, 235 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.080 while he was still in prison. 236 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:05.759 What right? 237 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:06.519 Yes? 238 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:06.840 This? 239 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:08.799 I wonder was it in a dream? 240 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.360 Because I know that this is something that's popular that 241 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.919 some people will see like prophetic things happened in their dreams. 242 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.759 I've actually had one of my one of my ex 243 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.759 best friends at this point, but he had a dream 244 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.720 of something and he was like, Dude, I'm telling you 245 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:24.840 this is going to happen. And I was like, nah, dude, 246 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.360 that ain't gonna happen. It was just a weird dream. 247 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.240 And then it happens like three weeks later. 248 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:30.679 Okay, hold on now, hold on, feet firmly planting on 249 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:31.360 the ground here. 250 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:32.480 What's to say? 251 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:35.879 These people living in this very affluent neighborhood actually had 252 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:37.279 some shady business deals going on. 253 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:38.960 Nobody knew about this guy. 254 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.080 Birkwood's in jail heard from buzz around the prison that 255 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.200 some shot caller in jail had like given a green 256 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.519 light to take these people out execution style. He called 257 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:50.399 it because he just happened to hear about it from 258 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.600 the source. It was a like insider trading kind of thing. 259 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:53.759 I don't know. 260 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.919 Ask let me give you the answer to both of 261 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.799 your questions. Deja vu? Is he a fucking fortune teller 262 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:07.320 or did he have some tips from the inside. It's 263 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:18.559 a combination because the guy, Ronald Sisman was actually up 264 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.759 to some shady shit. He was a photographer, which is 265 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.480 why he had this affluent type of lifestyle because he 266 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.039 was kind of a big photographer for the time or whatever. 267 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:36.120 And David Berkowitz, about three weeks before the murder took place, 268 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:40.840 had told this informant that called the police that his 269 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.759 cult was going to torture and perform a ritual killing 270 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:53.600 on Halloween, and he described it as a photographer's residence 271 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:59.159 near Greenwich Village where after the ritual they would kill 272 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:04.440 the occupier. Occupants cleaned the residence of any incriminating evidence 273 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.639 against the cult. But he didn't know who it was 274 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.039 going to be. He didn't know it was Ronald Sisman. 275 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.480 He just knew it was a photographer and he knew 276 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.440 it was going to be the cult that was going 277 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:20.360 after him on Halloween. But as it turns out, after 278 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.080 he found out that it was Ronald Sisman who got 279 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:25.919 the axe on Halloween, he was like, oh, that makes 280 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:31.480 sense because Ronald Sisman has a snuff video of one 281 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:37.200 of the Son of Sam killings, and Ronald Sisman was 282 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.360 actually about to shed some light on the cult and 283 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:44.000 try to get people to rethink that David Berkowitz actually 284 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:50.559 acted alone because he didn't. And I guess Ronald Sisman 285 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:53.399 was paid to take this video of one of the 286 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:55.919 Son of Sam killings and it was eating out his 287 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.720 conscience and he was going to come forward with it, 288 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.240 and they pretty much often wow. 289 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:08.000 To me, bro and that's uh. 290 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.440 I love how it was like Greenwich Village. I wanted 291 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.039 to ask, that's in the west by the. 292 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.720 Way, Greenwich Village, so. 293 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:18.960 I get the Wizard of. 294 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.599 The police did talk to David Berkowitz after the tipster, 295 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:29.759 you know, said all this stuff, and they never relinquished 296 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:33.920 a lot of information to David Berkowitz to validate what 297 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:38.440 he was saying. But what they did say to the 298 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:47.400 reporters is maybe he's right, because, uh, the the license 299 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:52.079 were stolen out of the wallets, and there was some 300 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:59.200 other things and actually they would take wallet the wallet 301 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.559 or the eye be out of the wallet to prove 302 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.119 they had killed the right person. And a lot of 303 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:09.880 similar cult murders. So they were like, maybe there's something 304 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:10.400 to this. 305 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:16.920 Okay, okay, all right, I'm I I've only heard of 306 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:21.000 people doing these snuff video killings like in shows and 307 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:21.960 movies and stuff. 308 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:23.400 Bro. 309 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:24.400 No, I'm sure it is. 310 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.920 But is it usually tied into the occult or is 311 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.799 this something that just like sick people do. 312 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:35.920 I think there's a whole bunch of people who get 313 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:39.200 off on violent deaths and murders and stuff that aren't 314 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:43.480 involved in the occult. Whether it's ritualistic in nature, of 315 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:47.319 course it is. Maybe they're not practicing occult practices, but 316 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:52.039 they get off watching animals being tortured and people getting murdered, 317 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:54.839 and they have these videos on the dark web. But 318 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.400 then they're with the Son of Sam. There are occult 319 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:02.119 rituals that go around with murders, like the murder is 320 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.599 for a purpose, not so much just for the jolly 321 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:12.119 of it and to this day, no one has been 322 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:16.759 arrested for the murder of Ronald Sisman and Elizabeth Plafsman. 323 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:21.319 Wow and yeah dance. Also, the Dark Web has everything 324 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.000 when it broke people like it's not even like a 325 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:27.799 sexual pleasure. It is a mental stimulant that these sick 326 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:31.359 people get off to in other ways of watching. I 327 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.720 know dudes that get off to warporn. And I don't 328 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.880 mean that to mean what you're thinking. I mean like 329 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.960 actual like Battlefield Gore and like live footage of what's 330 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.279 going down in Ukraine, live footage of the genocide that's 331 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:46.240 going down in a mirror marmor right now. It's they 332 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.880 have people that are in the most disgusting realms of 333 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.000 existence in every caliber ban I'll say this. 334 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:54.160 I mean I could never get down with all that 335 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.440 killing or anything, but in a weird way, like maybe 336 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:59.000 just in a way that I was brought up. I 337 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.039 played football my whole life, and so there was always 338 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.759 this thing on ESPN. It was like NFL Sunday or 339 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:07.799 whatever it's hits and well it was always Tom Jackson 340 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.599 and Chris Berman, and it was always the top ten 341 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.960 hits of the day, right, and it was always like 342 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.799 he got jacked up, and it was always like Lewis. 343 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.160 Or Troy Palammel just smashing people. I love that. But 344 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:22.519 as far as killing bro. 345 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.000 No, and you know that person didn't die. But it's 346 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.000 the same thing with watching like MMA or anything like that. 347 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.599 It's a sport and you realize these people are consenting 348 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:36.160 adults going into this and they know they're probably gonna 349 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:39.200 get jacked up at some point, but like give off 350 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:43.440 by watching like an innocent person's life being taken away. 351 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:45.880 Like that's when you start to get into like the 352 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.359 demonic realm, Like what have you invited into yourself that 353 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.920 you cannot get off unless you see that kind of stuff. 354 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:57.640 And for David Berkowitz, like Son of Sam, you have 355 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:00.640 to think, to these people, it's almost like watching the 356 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.279 Kim Kardashian sex tape. It's not like regular porn where 357 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.960 you don't know the person who got murdered or the murderer. 358 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.279 It's you know this person, this is David Berkowitz, that's 359 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.400 the victim that's been all over the news, and I'm 360 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.640 getting to watch him do it. Right, there's this whole 361 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.319 celebrity aspect to it. It's weird. 362 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.599 Would you imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer would have actually recorded 363 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.519 his killings and somehow the dark Web had those. You 364 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.160 realize how popular those are being, Oh my, because the 365 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:30.279 name recognition on that. 366 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:31.359 That's the disgusting part. 367 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:33.200 That's the disgusting partselves. 368 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:35.759 The murders themselves are probably satanic in nature and everything 369 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.759 in between, sick people doing sick things. But then somebody 370 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.039 decides to record it and it used to be for 371 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.000 their own personal collection. Right then, Wait a minute, wait 372 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.759 a minute, the dark Web's out there, bro, this is content. 373 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:48.319 Well they have this. 374 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.720 They actually say that you can kind of spot these, uh, 375 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.000 these psychopaths or serial killers at a very young age 376 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:57.960 because it usually it typically does start with, you know, 377 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.480 the enjoyment of watching the the harming or the killing 378 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:05.480 of animals. And that's typically like how the psychopathic mind starts, 379 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:09.599 is like you get it off by watching torture of animals, 380 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:12.759 whether it be squirrels or cats or raccoons or something 381 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.880 like that. And actually, dude, that's funny that we're even 382 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:20.000 talking about this today because there has been for the 383 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:22.440 past few days a mouse running around in my house. 384 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.240 My wife is deathly scared of mice for some reason. 385 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.160 Just reden of all sorts. 386 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:31.880 Like I personally, I think that mice are cute, Like 387 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.000 I was looking into buying a cappy bara because they're awesome. 388 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.680 But that being said, so anyway, she's definitely scared afraid 389 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:43.079 of these things. And uh so she bought some mouse traps. 390 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:44.920 Well I didn't know that she bought, like the the 391 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:50.759 sticky ones when dude, that's like. 392 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:54.599 Yeah, and so uh that sucks. 393 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:54.920 Yeah. 394 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.119 Well, anyway, so I wake up this morning and it's 395 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.160 on one of those sticky traps, but it's still alive. 396 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.559 I'm like, I'm looking up videos. How do I get 397 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:04.559 it off this thing so I can release that back? Dude, 398 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.599 No what, No, I'm not that kind of psycho. So 399 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:09.799 I was looking up ways. 400 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.759 I mean, it's better than letting it scream itself to death. 401 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.039