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Speaker 1: Hello, we're keeping the gamboe rolling with this next episode,
Speaker 1: Jonathan and Jacob from the Cult of Conspiracy join me
Speaker 1: for a swapcast today on All Hallow's Eve Murders. I
Speaker 1: will be presenting some interesting research I've found surrounding some
Speaker 1: of the most unknown and ritualistic murders that have went
Speaker 1: down on Halloween. We all know the slashers like Freddie
Speaker 1: Fucking Krueger and Michael Myers, But what if the real
Speaker 1: life Boogeymen are more deadly, deranged and depraved than the
Speaker 1: made up monsters on screen? That's what we will be
Speaker 1: discussing in today's episode. I've included a link in the
Speaker 1: show notes where you can go to find more from
Speaker 1: the Cult of Conspiracy, but without further ado, Buckle up,
Speaker 1: You're in for a bumpy ride. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan Jake,
Speaker 2: and today we have back guys, mc peach, Julia, Welcome
Speaker 2: to the show.
Speaker 1: Fam fanfamfab returning Jams. Yes, this is going to be
Speaker 1: a swapcast. My listeners already know what it is. We're
Speaker 1: besties at this point and I just enjoy doing episodes
Speaker 1: with you guys. I'm kicking off what I'm calling the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Ghost Jamboree, okay for October, and so
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you guys tonight about some
Speaker 1: kind of occulted murders that happened on Halloween.
Speaker 3: I love it when the veil is at its thinness,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I absolutely love this. And also I saw you had
Speaker 4: a drink in your hand a minute ago. Are you
Speaker 4: you're a Christian?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 1: I am? I do? IM vibe?
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: The reason why I asked this because today is actually
Speaker 4: maybe as a time of recording, which is a wik
Speaker 4: and holiday of a second harvest and apples and wine
Speaker 4: and like that type of festivities that are a big
Speaker 4: thing on this day. I thought that was a nod
Speaker 4: to that. But my bad, I forgot. You are a
Speaker 4: child of god ASA's eye, you.
Speaker 1: Know, bes I am.
Speaker 4: But you know, any wickens out there, Mary maybeen't to
Speaker 4: you anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus did turn the water into wine, so he
Speaker 1: didn't like he has a heart after mine, So cheers
Speaker 1: to that. I have jack fire here.
Speaker 4: Oh you're drinking a cinnamon whiskey.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm having jackfire neat and chasing it with
Speaker 1: a little A and W.
Speaker 4: So wait a minute, wait wait wait, cinnamon whiskey and
Speaker 4: root beer.
Speaker 1: Dude, it's so good.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a good combo.
Speaker 1: Interesting the vanilla with the root beer and the cinnamon
Speaker 1: from the whiskey. It just kind of, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just goes together. It's like a hot toddy.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well as far as the what was it called jack fire,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say that's like a booge your
Speaker 2: version of you know, your basic white girl fireball then
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But fireball like makes it's so sweet, it like almost
Speaker 1: makes me sick when I drink it. But jackfire is,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a little bougier, so I can
Speaker 1: drink it without you know, the after effects of fireball.
Speaker 3: But you're drinking it neat.
Speaker 4: But then again you're chasing it with the A ANDW bags.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got, I got a little A and W
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 4: I beg.
Speaker 1: So I don't know where you guys want to start,
Speaker 1: but I love getting your reactions when I just like
Speaker 1: drop stuff on you, and I want to get your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Why do you think Halloween would be significant if someone
Speaker 1: was going to murder another person for obvious reasons? It's Halloween?
Speaker 1: But do you know anything about like the origins of Halloween?
Speaker 4: All right, so I have a good knowledge on this, Jonathan,
Speaker 4: you go first, what is your background on a murder
Speaker 4: or some sort of a violent act on Halloween?
Speaker 2: I mean, I always think like Friday the thirteenth kind
Speaker 2: of deal.
Speaker 3: But as the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: However, I did want to make this, uh, this little caveat.
Speaker 2: I saw this quote yesterday and it made absolute sense
Speaker 2: because it's dating back to something that that Anton Levey
Speaker 2: once said and he said he loves like, he loves
Speaker 2: how Christians celebrate Satanism one day.
Speaker 3: A year when and he's talking about Halloween.
Speaker 2: And he says he loves how parents let their kids
Speaker 2: celebrate Satanism and and pretend that there's something that they're not.
Speaker 2: And I just thought that that was, like, damn, bro, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what everybody's doing, but from
Speaker 2: his perspective, he's he sees it as a woman.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, I actually never heard him say that.
Speaker 3: That's that's fascinating. Okay, pretty wild.
Speaker 4: So as far as my background on on all hallowsy,
Speaker 4: even Halloween and the big feast that goes on into
Speaker 4: that and the history behind it all, it depends on
Speaker 4: what culture we're talking about. All over Europe, people had
Speaker 4: their own harvest festivals that would go on around that
Speaker 4: time of year. As far as what Americans celebrate as
Speaker 4: far as Halloween is concerned, I mean, how the Jack
Speaker 4: the lantern that goes back to the Celtic tribes that
Speaker 4: used to take skulls of their enemies and put candles
Speaker 4: in them. Then there's a whole other Irish drinking tale
Speaker 4: that tell us about a dude with a turnip that
Speaker 4: made Jack. Yes, yes, which is a crazy story about
Speaker 4: a guy who outwitted the devil and it's fascinating. I
Speaker 4: do love Irish folklore like with a strong passion.
Speaker 3: Did he do it without a fiddle? No, he did
Speaker 3: it at a bar.
Speaker 1: I don't think any fiddles were involved, but I'm down
Speaker 1: with a fiddler if they could add one to the story.
Speaker 4: Yes, But now, okay, So All Hallow's Eve is in
Speaker 4: reference to the fact that November one is All Saints Day,
Speaker 4: so it is supposed to be an extremely holy holiday
Speaker 4: if you follow the Catholic you know.
Speaker 3: Fate when the veil hardens. Well allegedly yes, allegedly.
Speaker 4: No, Maybe that's why it was All Saint's Day is
Speaker 4: because that was supposed to be the day that it
Speaker 4: was the thinnest. But all of that goes back to
Speaker 4: pagan equinox and with in like a calendar style festival.
Speaker 3: So as far as why.
Speaker 4: They even made that day specifically All Hollows Day All
Speaker 4: Saint's Day, who's to say the Catholic Church was trying
Speaker 4: to pretty much integrate paganism into its ranks at such
Speaker 4: a phenomenal rate.
Speaker 3: And they did. They conquered Europe.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually it's it's interesting that you bring that
Speaker 1: up because I found that it was Pope Gregory the
Speaker 1: Third who made November first All Saints Stay. But he
Speaker 1: did end up incorporating a lot of paganism into All
Speaker 1: Saints Day. So he claims that it was to counteract
Speaker 1: the Celtic festival for sam Hayne, which was October thirty first,
Speaker 1: so he made November first All Saints Day to kind
Speaker 1: of I don't know the juxtaposition of their holiday in
Speaker 1: our holiday, but what he ended up doing over time
Speaker 1: is that he incorporated all the traditions for the sam
Speaker 1: Haynes celebration into All Saints Day, so it ended up
Speaker 1: just being a big, massive cluster fuck. Anyways, Indeed, they
Speaker 1: started referring to the day before All Saints Day as
Speaker 1: All Hallow's.
Speaker 4: Eve, because Hallow meaning holy like Hallow right would be
Speaker 4: the ground that you could it could be it's sanctified
Speaker 4: ground that would be able to let people be buried in,
Speaker 4: build a church upon that type of thing.
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, but you know they have to like
Speaker 1: overtime incorporate Well, it's like, oh, we'll just do a
Speaker 1: little bonfire on our day two, or like, oh, we'll
Speaker 1: just do a little this on our day two or this,
Speaker 1: then you just get Halloween out of it.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite traditions is actually where trick or
Speaker 4: treat came from. And I'm I'm drawing a blank on
Speaker 4: the actual culture of origin. I'm not sure if it
Speaker 4: was Slavic, if it was German, if it was Celtic.
Speaker 4: I'm not a hundred on this, but somewhere upper in
Speaker 4: the uh the upper upper white types of people's in
Speaker 4: the northern the Acity region. The extra audacity on that
Speaker 4: caucacidy right, And basically a bishop style dressed dude would
Speaker 4: black face himself, knock on a door straight up, a
Speaker 4: trick or treat would be his thing. And the parents
Speaker 4: are pretty much rat on their kids to this person.
Speaker 4: And I forget the title that this guy was. And
Speaker 4: I don't even know if it was actually a preacher,
Speaker 4: just like some dude that like took on the roll
Speaker 4: for the year of beating everybody's kids because like whatever,
Speaker 4: but either he would get fed or he you know,
Speaker 4: he'd beat the shaty's kids that didn't do their chores
Speaker 4: and make him a treat for that day and that
Speaker 4: was incorporated into Halloween. It's wild when you go down.
Speaker 1: That sounds like some kind of a fresh hell right there.
Speaker 4: Keep in mind the Germans also have crumpus for Christmas,
Speaker 4: so like this sounds really German out loud, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 2: By the way, for all the win Cans out there
Speaker 2: who are going to fry both of you for saying
Speaker 2: sam Hayne, say sam Hayne.
Speaker 1: She did, all right, I said, sam Hayne. But I
Speaker 1: have a story to back it up.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, yeah, I know that that's like the English
Speaker 2: translation or whatever. But what I always sam Hayne. It's
Speaker 2: but it's how they pronounce it in like the Wicca
Speaker 2: is Slowyn.
Speaker 4: Oh, Solwyn, I didn't know that's what you were saying.
Speaker 4: I thought you were referring to a dude named Sam Hayne,
Speaker 4: you and Swyn the festival.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm glad you brought that up actually because
Speaker 1: the story I was going to tell about it, it's
Speaker 1: pronounced correctly in this story that I'm about to tell.
Speaker 1: But uh, we're talking about Halloween murders. So to get
Speaker 1: us started, I feel like it's very necessary to bring
Speaker 1: up the son of Sam and where that name comes from.
Speaker 1: Who he was and who he said that he was
Speaker 1: in touch with, which was Sawyn Sam Haynes, son of
Speaker 1: Sam Sawyn. So in several interviews, actually he stated that
Speaker 1: he was communicating with U Sawyn, hence the son of Sam.
Speaker 1: But did you know that the son of Sam, David
Speaker 1: Berkowitz has a connection to a Halloween massacre?
Speaker 3: Let's go what I'm here for?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Hold on, now, hold on? Why is that.
Speaker 1: So? The bodies of Elizabeth Plattsman, nineteen years old and
Speaker 1: Ronald Sismand thirty nine years old were found Saturday morning
Speaker 1: following Halloween at Ronald Sisman's duplex in Manhattan. The couple
Speaker 1: were severely beaten, shot in the back of the head
Speaker 1: execution style. And before or after the murders, somebody had
Speaker 1: like ransacked the place. Furniture was ripped up. It almost
Speaker 1: looked like they were trying to toss the place and
Speaker 1: find something, but they were shot execution style, and they
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out who would do this because
Speaker 1: it was actually a pretty affluent neighborhood. These people had
Speaker 1: no enemies whatsoever, and the police got this tipster. They
Speaker 1: got a call from this person who never identified themselves,
Speaker 1: and it was a bizarre ass tip They said that
Speaker 1: they knew someone who had predicted the murder of Elizabeth
Speaker 1: and Ronald weeks prior to it actually happening. And they
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, who's this mysterious fortune teller And the
Speaker 1: tipster said, it's actually David Berkowitz, the son of Sam.
Speaker 1: He predicted this whole thing taking place weeks before it happened,
Speaker 1: while he was still in prison.
Speaker 4: What right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 3: I wonder was it in a dream?
Speaker 2: Because I know that this is something that's popular that
Speaker 2: some people will see like prophetic things happened in their dreams.
Speaker 2: I've actually had one of my one of my ex
Speaker 2: best friends at this point, but he had a dream
Speaker 2: of something and he was like, Dude, I'm telling you
Speaker 2: this is going to happen. And I was like, nah, dude,
Speaker 2: that ain't gonna happen. It was just a weird dream.
Speaker 2: And then it happens like three weeks later.
Speaker 4: Okay, hold on now, hold on, feet firmly planting on
Speaker 4: the ground here.
Speaker 3: What's to say?
Speaker 4: These people living in this very affluent neighborhood actually had
Speaker 4: some shady business deals going on.
Speaker 3: Nobody knew about this guy.
Speaker 4: Birkwood's in jail heard from buzz around the prison that
Speaker 4: some shot caller in jail had like given a green
Speaker 4: light to take these people out execution style. He called
Speaker 4: it because he just happened to hear about it from
Speaker 4: the source. It was a like insider trading kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Ask let me give you the answer to both of
Speaker 1: your questions. Deja vu? Is he a fucking fortune teller
Speaker 1: or did he have some tips from the inside. It's
Speaker 1: a combination because the guy, Ronald Sisman was actually up
Speaker 1: to some shady shit. He was a photographer, which is
Speaker 1: why he had this affluent type of lifestyle because he
Speaker 1: was kind of a big photographer for the time or whatever.
Speaker 1: And David Berkowitz, about three weeks before the murder took place,
Speaker 1: had told this informant that called the police that his
Speaker 1: cult was going to torture and perform a ritual killing
Speaker 1: on Halloween, and he described it as a photographer's residence
Speaker 1: near Greenwich Village where after the ritual they would kill
Speaker 1: the occupier. Occupants cleaned the residence of any incriminating evidence
Speaker 1: against the cult. But he didn't know who it was
Speaker 1: going to be. He didn't know it was Ronald Sisman.
Speaker 1: He just knew it was a photographer and he knew
Speaker 1: it was going to be the cult that was going
Speaker 1: after him on Halloween. But as it turns out, after
Speaker 1: he found out that it was Ronald Sisman who got
Speaker 1: the axe on Halloween, he was like, oh, that makes
Speaker 1: sense because Ronald Sisman has a snuff video of one
Speaker 1: of the Son of Sam killings, and Ronald Sisman was
Speaker 1: actually about to shed some light on the cult and
Speaker 1: try to get people to rethink that David Berkowitz actually
Speaker 1: acted alone because he didn't. And I guess Ronald Sisman
Speaker 1: was paid to take this video of one of the
Speaker 1: Son of Sam killings and it was eating out his
Speaker 1: conscience and he was going to come forward with it,
Speaker 1: and they pretty much often wow.
Speaker 3: To me, bro and that's uh.
Speaker 2: I love how it was like Greenwich Village. I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask, that's in the west by the.
Speaker 1: Way, Greenwich Village, so.
Speaker 4: I get the Wizard of.
Speaker 1: The police did talk to David Berkowitz after the tipster,
Speaker 1: you know, said all this stuff, and they never relinquished
Speaker 1: a lot of information to David Berkowitz to validate what
Speaker 1: he was saying. But what they did say to the
Speaker 1: reporters is maybe he's right, because, uh, the the license
Speaker 1: were stolen out of the wallets, and there was some
Speaker 1: other things and actually they would take wallet the wallet
Speaker 1: or the eye be out of the wallet to prove
Speaker 1: they had killed the right person. And a lot of
Speaker 1: similar cult murders. So they were like, maybe there's something
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, I'm I I've only heard of
Speaker 2: people doing these snuff video killings like in shows and
Speaker 2: movies and stuff.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure it is.
Speaker 2: But is it usually tied into the occult or is
Speaker 2: this something that just like sick people do.
Speaker 1: I think there's a whole bunch of people who get
Speaker 1: off on violent deaths and murders and stuff that aren't
Speaker 1: involved in the occult. Whether it's ritualistic in nature, of
Speaker 1: course it is. Maybe they're not practicing occult practices, but
Speaker 1: they get off watching animals being tortured and people getting murdered,
Speaker 1: and they have these videos on the dark web. But
Speaker 1: then they're with the Son of Sam. There are occult
Speaker 1: rituals that go around with murders, like the murder is
Speaker 1: for a purpose, not so much just for the jolly
Speaker 1: of it and to this day, no one has been
Speaker 1: arrested for the murder of Ronald Sisman and Elizabeth Plafsman.
Speaker 4: Wow and yeah dance. Also, the Dark Web has everything
Speaker 4: when it broke people like it's not even like a
Speaker 4: sexual pleasure. It is a mental stimulant that these sick
Speaker 4: people get off to in other ways of watching. I
Speaker 4: know dudes that get off to warporn. And I don't
Speaker 4: mean that to mean what you're thinking. I mean like
Speaker 4: actual like Battlefield Gore and like live footage of what's
Speaker 4: going down in Ukraine, live footage of the genocide that's
Speaker 4: going down in a mirror marmor right now. It's they
Speaker 4: have people that are in the most disgusting realms of
Speaker 4: existence in every caliber ban I'll say this.
Speaker 2: I mean I could never get down with all that
Speaker 2: killing or anything, but in a weird way, like maybe
Speaker 2: just in a way that I was brought up. I
Speaker 2: played football my whole life, and so there was always
Speaker 2: this thing on ESPN. It was like NFL Sunday or
Speaker 2: whatever it's hits and well it was always Tom Jackson
Speaker 2: and Chris Berman, and it was always the top ten
Speaker 2: hits of the day, right, and it was always like
Speaker 2: he got jacked up, and it was always like Lewis.
Speaker 3: Or Troy Palammel just smashing people. I love that. But
Speaker 3: as far as killing bro.
Speaker 1: No, and you know that person didn't die. But it's
Speaker 1: the same thing with watching like MMA or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's a sport and you realize these people are consenting
Speaker 1: adults going into this and they know they're probably gonna
Speaker 1: get jacked up at some point, but like give off
Speaker 1: by watching like an innocent person's life being taken away.
Speaker 1: Like that's when you start to get into like the
Speaker 1: demonic realm, Like what have you invited into yourself that
Speaker 1: you cannot get off unless you see that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And for David Berkowitz, like Son of Sam, you have
Speaker 1: to think, to these people, it's almost like watching the
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian sex tape. It's not like regular porn where
Speaker 1: you don't know the person who got murdered or the murderer.
Speaker 1: It's you know this person, this is David Berkowitz, that's
Speaker 1: the victim that's been all over the news, and I'm
Speaker 1: getting to watch him do it. Right, there's this whole
Speaker 1: celebrity aspect to it. It's weird.
Speaker 4: Would you imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer would have actually recorded
Speaker 4: his killings and somehow the dark Web had those. You
Speaker 4: realize how popular those are being, Oh my, because the
Speaker 4: name recognition on that.
Speaker 3: That's the disgusting part.
Speaker 1: That's the disgusting partselves.
Speaker 4: The murders themselves are probably satanic in nature and everything
Speaker 4: in between, sick people doing sick things. But then somebody
Speaker 4: decides to record it and it used to be for
Speaker 4: their own personal collection. Right then, Wait a minute, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, the dark Web's out there, bro, this is content.
Speaker 3: Well they have this.
Speaker 2: They actually say that you can kind of spot these, uh,
Speaker 2: these psychopaths or serial killers at a very young age
Speaker 2: because it usually it typically does start with, you know,
Speaker 2: the enjoyment of watching the the harming or the killing
Speaker 2: of animals. And that's typically like how the psychopathic mind starts,
Speaker 2: is like you get it off by watching torture of animals,
Speaker 2: whether it be squirrels or cats or raccoons or something
Speaker 2: like that. And actually, dude, that's funny that we're even
Speaker 2: talking about this today because there has been for the
Speaker 2: past few days a mouse running around in my house.
Speaker 3: My wife is deathly scared of mice for some reason.
Speaker 3: Just reden of all sorts.
Speaker 2: Like I personally, I think that mice are cute, Like
Speaker 2: I was looking into buying a cappy bara because they're awesome.
Speaker 2: But that being said, so anyway, she's definitely scared afraid
Speaker 2: of these things. And uh so she bought some mouse traps.
Speaker 2: Well I didn't know that she bought, like the the
Speaker 2: sticky ones when dude, that's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so uh that sucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, anyway, so I wake up this morning and it's
Speaker 2: on one of those sticky traps, but it's still alive.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm looking up videos. How do I get
Speaker 3: it off this thing so I can release that back? Dude,
Speaker 3: No what, No, I'm not that kind of psycho. So
Speaker 3: I was looking up ways.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's better than letting it scream itself to death.
Speaker 3: Well there's actually a way it's off.
Speaker 2: If a mouse gets on one of those sticky traps
Speaker 2: and it's still alive, you can pour olive oil onto it,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and like onto the trap so that
Speaker 2: it loosens up the stickiness. And so I put it
Speaker 2: in a box and I you just released that on
Speaker 2: into the wilderness. And I say that this little mouse life.
Speaker 3: Why so we could come back in your house.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, We're cool with little Like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry he's sticking there and all I can picture is
Speaker 2: to him just saying, cinder Rally.
Speaker 3: So different.
Speaker 4: I'm and you grew up so different. But to segue
Speaker 4: back to Halloween, I would say this, like you could
Speaker 4: have got you went and adopted a cat. I know
Speaker 4: you're not going to because Jude ran out on you
Speaker 4: being a hoe, but come to find out, you cannot
Speaker 4: adopt black cats in the month of October. For anybody
Speaker 4: who didn't know that, if you go to an adoption shelter,
Speaker 4: they will not allow it because too many people have
Speaker 4: adopted them, specifically black cats, to ritualistically sacrifice on Halloween.
Speaker 4: So per United States meters can't find this what is.
Speaker 1: Wrong with people? See that's part of the reason why
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring this up, because sure murders happen
Speaker 1: all the time, but there's this whole like ritualistic aspect
Speaker 1: to the ones that happen on Halloween. And it's probably
Speaker 1: for a reason.
Speaker 4: The nineteen seventies is when they did there. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I.
Speaker 1: Made a mixed bag for you guys. Some of them
Speaker 1: are more occult in nature, and then some of them
Speaker 1: are not as occult in nature. But I want to
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on why they happened the way that
Speaker 1: they did. And so that's kind of where we're going
Speaker 1: to go with this next one.
Speaker 2: That's God, That's why we love Oloyah because you always
Speaker 2: make it so fun, like this is the fun part
Speaker 2: of having you on is that it's like it's it's
Speaker 2: like an interactive thing, like have you ever seen the
Speaker 2: Black Mirror interactive show where you can choose the outcome
Speaker 2: by picking the choices and stuff. That's how I worked
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 4: She came with a fucking game show for us once
Speaker 4: upon a time, like, let's let's be real, I.
Speaker 1: Have a new game show. Maybe we can include it
Speaker 1: for the Patreon listeners. Slater, I made it myself. I
Speaker 1: couldn't find a game worthy for the Cosmic Peach podcast,
Speaker 1: so I literally created one so we can play it
Speaker 1: later we have time.
Speaker 4: If and when we get that conspiracy game board, we
Speaker 4: have to invite her over to play a game when
Speaker 4: we're gonna live stream that motherfucker Illuminati card game.
Speaker 1: So fun, But all right, we're taking a trip back
Speaker 1: in time now So this first one happened Halloween nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three in Fondu Locke, Wisconsin. Very small town, and
Speaker 1: it's actually a nine year old girl named Lisa Anne French.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of her?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, So Lisa dressed as a hobo that year. And
Speaker 1: back in the seventies, it was cool to just go
Speaker 1: around trick or treating without your parents. Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: get with a group of friends, you go out trick
Speaker 1: or treating, you come back home within like an hour
Speaker 1: or two. And up to that point that was a
Speaker 1: normal practice. You would never catch somebody sending their kid
Speaker 1: out by themselves. In twenty twenty three, to go grow.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 2: I was brought up that my parents stopped bringing us
Speaker 2: at a pretty young age.
Speaker 4: No, let's see, it depends in Louisiana. No, my parents
Speaker 4: went out with us until we were like teenagers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my parents went with me too. But so she's
Speaker 1: going around the neighborhood, Lati Da. She visited a few houses,
Speaker 1: they said that they saw her. They said she came over,
Speaker 1: gave her some treats. Then she knocks on the door
Speaker 1: of this twenty five year old guy named Jeralder Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Gerald Turner is not a stranger
Speaker 1: to her. He actually rented the other half of Lisa
Speaker 1: Ann French's family's duplex, so they lived together for a
Speaker 1: number of years, side by side. So she already knew
Speaker 1: who this.
Speaker 3: Guy was, and she probably wrong fast.
Speaker 1: Well, she was very comfortable with him because after school
Speaker 1: she'd go say hi. If she was playing in the
Speaker 1: yard and he was outside, he'd come over. He went
Speaker 1: over to the parents' house, visited with them. She was
Speaker 1: extremely comfortable with him. And so even after he moved out,
Speaker 1: she knocks on the door. Oh it's Gerald, I know you,
Speaker 1: and she's immediately comfortable. So what does he do. He
Speaker 1: invites her in and on that Halloween night, And I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna give a trigger warning you might want to
Speaker 1: skip twenty seconds ahead in the episode is if this
Speaker 1: type of brutality unsettles you. But Gerald Turner took Lisa
Speaker 1: to his bedroom, brutally sexually raped and assaulted her until
Speaker 1: she stopped breathing, and the official cause of death was
Speaker 1: affhixiation and shock. Yeah nine years old.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, dude, and.
Speaker 1: Listen what this shit bag did. Okay, he attempted to
Speaker 1: cover up his tracks by wrapping her body up in
Speaker 1: a freaking garbage bag and he dumped it in the
Speaker 1: field somewhere, and it took days for them to finally
Speaker 1: find her. But when the police put two and two
Speaker 1: together and showed up out his door, he just fucking
Speaker 1: melted like a candle. He was like, oh, yep, it
Speaker 1: was me. He later tried to recant his statement and
Speaker 1: say that he lied that it wasn't him, but all
Speaker 1: the evidence was like stacked. There was no way he
Speaker 1: was getting out of it, and he was sentenced to
Speaker 1: thirty eight years in prison.
Speaker 3: That's not long enough in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
Speaker 3: Some people deserve a very slow torture's death. Yeah that
Speaker 3: long kiss good night.
Speaker 1: To this day, because of what happened to Lisa and French, Fondulock,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin has set trigger treating hours and you're prohibited to
Speaker 1: go out after dark on Halloween.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, I mean nowadays people are starting to
Speaker 2: do it. And I know whenever I was grown up,
Speaker 2: I swear it always started whenever it started getting dark.
Speaker 2: But now it seems that Halloween is wrapping up like
Speaker 2: it's it's coming to an end. As it's starting to
Speaker 2: get dark, so, which is probably for precautionary measure.
Speaker 3: I would imagine.
Speaker 4: I remember it being when the first street light came on,
Speaker 4: that was your go light, right, you just took off
Speaker 4: and you got done whenever you had hit every house
Speaker 4: in your That's.
Speaker 1: Kind of and how I grew up to like the
Speaker 1: night time was the fright time. That's when you go
Speaker 1: out on the prow and you get your treats and stuff, but.
Speaker 4: Ride around on bike and drop of fireworks and shit
Speaker 4: to like you know, fun things fun yeah, and you know.
Speaker 1: You come home, you have some hot chocolate, you watch
Speaker 1: a movie or something, you go to bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then of course nowadays with our kids, I
Speaker 4: think it's a like six to eight I think, dude,
Speaker 4: I think like Halloween has official hours of six pm
Speaker 4: to eight pm, and like that's it. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 4: we could keep going whether the time says or not.
Speaker 1: But if somebody has their their house light on or
Speaker 1: if they're sitting outside, you know they're still actively passing
Speaker 1: out treats. That's what I say. But so Pumpkin for
Speaker 1: your thoughts, you guys, Okay, everyone says Halloween is the
Speaker 1: one night of the year where the dead can walk
Speaker 1: amongst the living. We've all heard this, and whether somebody
Speaker 1: believes that or not is up to the individual person.
Speaker 1: But my question to you is, rather than the dead
Speaker 1: walking amongst the living, what if it's more like demonic
Speaker 1: energy is stronger and can influence people more easily on
Speaker 1: this night of the year. Because what I've found in
Speaker 1: a lot of these Halloween murders is that it's parents
Speaker 1: of their own children or people who had no criminal
Speaker 1: history whatsoever. And there's actually a professor from Northeastern University
Speaker 1: that found that violent crimes increased by fifty percent on Halloween.
Speaker 1: And with this Lisa and French story, what bothered me
Speaker 1: about it is the dude lived right next door to
Speaker 1: her for years and had how many opportunities if he
Speaker 1: really wanted to do that? Why did it have to
Speaker 1: be this night, this Halloween?
Speaker 3: So I have a couple of different theories as far
Speaker 3: as this.
Speaker 2: Maybe he had a certain kink towards a certain age group,
Speaker 2: that's definitely possible.
Speaker 3: Maybe he was waiting for her to evolve a little bit.
Speaker 4: Maybe he had to work up his own courage to
Speaker 4: finally take, you know, to do it, or some shit.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't want to even like try
Speaker 4: maybe take the mind of a sick fuck like this.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but at the same time in order
Speaker 2: to try and understand these fucking creeps. It's almost like,
Speaker 2: you know, these are certain signs that you know you
Speaker 2: gotta look for because I know, just be just by
Speaker 2: uh what was the name of the pedophile movie we
Speaker 2: went to go watch h Sound of Freedom? Sound of Freedom? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: not as a pedo not I said that wrong.
Speaker 4: But to me and I knew what you meant. That's all.
Speaker 2: So, But anyway that those people all specifically had their
Speaker 2: kink age range, right, some people were into like one
Speaker 2: year olds or two year olds or he was a
Speaker 2: fresh five year old. Yeah, and so these people are
Speaker 2: all fucked and maybe he had just one of those things.
Speaker 2: Now I know that, you know, internet porn wasn't around
Speaker 2: back then, yeah, but still like the child trafficking has
Speaker 2: been around since the dawn of time probably.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Right, And also I do want to make this other
Speaker 2: caveat it's that, Yes, the the veil is at its thinnest.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's whenever the demonic entities it is a lot
Speaker 2: easier for them to cross over, and you know, the
Speaker 2: devil tempts the idle hands and whenever. This guy is
Speaker 2: living at his probably by himself, right, like, he wasn't married,
Speaker 2: he did, he didn't have any kids, and so that's
Speaker 2: probably you know, he probably just saw it as all right,
Speaker 2: this is this is gonna be it, this is going
Speaker 2: to be the day. And of all days, I would
Speaker 2: imagine that October thirty first would be the easiest that
Speaker 2: you could be tempted.
Speaker 3: Hold on, you said it was what year seventy two,
Speaker 3: seventy three.
Speaker 1: Seventy three? Interesting and this guy, this guy was twenty
Speaker 1: five when he did it, so he's younger than us even.
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been some shit he had stew
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because if you even look, I forget what year.
Speaker 4: I think it was either seventy one or seventy two
Speaker 4: when Playboy released their Sugar and Spice edition, where you
Speaker 4: Seeelds as nine years old, Stark naked this entire magazine.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry, did John I know about this?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, Brooks Shields the fucking Hollywood celeb eight list celebrity.
Speaker 4: Her first nude appearance was nine years old in Playboy magazine,
Speaker 4: Hugh Heffer signed off on this bitch in the seventies.
Speaker 3: You might be onto something.
Speaker 4: Now, hold on, pedophilia was so widely accepted but just
Speaker 4: never spoken of back then. How many of these creepy
Speaker 4: game show hosts do you see kissing these kids on
Speaker 4: the fucking mouth on TV? And nobody batter than I
Speaker 4: That wasn't weird? It was somehow charming for a fifty
Speaker 4: five year old man to be kissing an eight year
Speaker 4: old girl in the mouth.
Speaker 3: What the fuck was that?
Speaker 4: Okay? Now let's cut to, like you said, Halloween and
Speaker 4: the things that go down on this day. Now, because
Speaker 4: of my past and because of my experiences with demonic entities,
Speaker 4: I can say that they feed off of fear. That's
Speaker 4: literally for them, not all of them across the board.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a certain type of demonic force or dark entity.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's levels to that. We could talk about
Speaker 4: that all day.
Speaker 3: But to Adrenochrome, I absolutely.
Speaker 4: Believe that they feed off of fear. We have now
Speaker 4: formed this holiday into a fear based holiday. Being scared,
Speaker 4: the fright of it, The jump scares, all of that,
Speaker 4: it's a part of it. So to say that around
Speaker 4: that time, we equally have a higher number of violent crimes,
Speaker 4: a higher number of rapes, a higher number of all
Speaker 4: of this shit. Like, yeah, so you're telling me the
Speaker 4: demons are being fed more and people are celebrating this fear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: Well, we're living in right now, dude. I mean in
Speaker 2: America we have haunted houses. Imagine putting one of them
Speaker 2: fucking things up in Syria. You think anybody would go, Dude,
Speaker 2: we would get exactly.
Speaker 4: We would get bombed, we would get vested, we would
Speaker 4: get g hotted so fast the first buttons to be
Speaker 4: it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That makes me think of Team America when he's like,
Speaker 1: I'll put a hot Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man. Could you imagine seeing hocus Pocus like
Speaker 4: try to hit the stage in any way? In these
Speaker 4: country they're like over, especially the second one. I love
Speaker 4: the second one, though I did I didn't like how
Speaker 4: they them. I like the theory in the plot. I
Speaker 4: didn't like how they forced the agenda. There were so
Speaker 4: many snippets that didn't need to happen, that took They
Speaker 4: took away from the story. They didn't add, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like the mask and they.
Speaker 1: Just looked old and like shitty to me.
Speaker 4: So, oh no, not that part the trans team the.
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, I'm just saying like, even if it
Speaker 1: didn't include that stuff, I was like, y'all are fucking
Speaker 1: old as fuck to be like reviving this ship. I know,
Speaker 1: I will let it go.
Speaker 4: I was happy about it.
Speaker 1: But Nidler seventy five, for Christ's sake, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh my, I mean, she might be Sarah Jessica Parker's
Speaker 2: looking that old.
Speaker 1: But I mean she definitely looked old. Now.
Speaker 4: Roll that she looked hot in was hocus Pocus first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first one. Yeah, the first one for sure.
Speaker 4: She never looked attractive to me. Ever, again, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Of course, it's do it for. It's a thing. It's
Speaker 4: a thing, I guess. So, but you know, she's a
Speaker 4: great actress. I suppose if you're into that sort of
Speaker 4: thing whatever.
Speaker 1: Or sex in the city or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never seen it. So, like I said, if
Speaker 4: you're into that type of they just rebooted that, by
Speaker 4: the way, I'm sure they did. Oh, they're gonna milk
Speaker 4: that bitch dry until them old ladies are walking. They're
Speaker 4: gonna be the New Golden Girls, funny with a fucking
Speaker 4: air tank, still trying to mac on these twenty five
Speaker 4: year old hosh dudes like it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 4: Eighteen is gonna come out at the same time as
Speaker 4: Sex and the City eight. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sex in the City eight.
Speaker 3: They can't help themselves. They just have a franchise.
Speaker 4: They're just gonna keep squeezing that rag to get every
Speaker 4: drop they can out of these old broads.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I think it will.
Speaker 1: It will probably be successful too, because the longtime fans.
Speaker 1: You know, I can imagine if they brought back a
Speaker 1: TV show that I really loved with the same people,
Speaker 1: like if they revamped Even Stevens and wanted to do that,
Speaker 1: I would be all about it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you imagine. I'm a huge child Abuff fan.
Speaker 4: So I want to podcast. What's that the podcast that
Speaker 4: Christy Carlson Romano and the older brother from Even Stevens.
Speaker 4: What's his name? Help me out? Wil Wilfrinette.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his name is in real life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So they have a podcast together and they talk
Speaker 4: about all kinds of shit in Hollywood, not necessarily conspiratorial,
Speaker 4: but just you know, whatever to get them and Shila
Speaker 4: above or anything like that, any kind of adjacent thing
Speaker 4: of like the old Disney stars doing it for real.
Speaker 4: They tried that with Girl Meets World. That was a
Speaker 4: big swing and a miss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't good. Even with Tipanga, it just wasn't.
Speaker 4: I'm still in love with that woman. Good God, she
Speaker 4: just got better with the age them curves. Yeah, her
Speaker 4: and the Pink Ranger.
Speaker 3: My lord are you and.
Speaker 1: Every other guy who grew up in the nineties. But
Speaker 1: let me like the next one down on you guys.
Speaker 4: Back to Halloween murder.
Speaker 1: So I mentioned what if the demonic energy is easier
Speaker 1: to manifest on Halloween because a lot of people have
Speaker 1: no violent history whatsoever. A lot of the people murdered
Speaker 1: their own children. And that's the next one. So a
Speaker 1: lot of people actually have heard about this one Timothy O'Brien,
Speaker 1: and he was eight years old. He was murdered on
Speaker 1: Halloween night in nineteen seventy four by his own father.
Speaker 1: And what his father did actually was he stuffed cyanide
Speaker 1: into pixie sticks and let him eat them. What and
Speaker 1: then tried to blame an old man that lived down
Speaker 1: the street.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then he admitted later on that he actually did
Speaker 1: it and it was for the insurance money that he
Speaker 1: just took out on him.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was gonna suggest maybe you got tired of pan
Speaker 2: Child's board.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean, have you ever read what a
Speaker 1: cyanide poisoning death looks like?
Speaker 4: Yes? I have, as a matter of fact.
Speaker 1: You I mean, I'm gonna spare the listeners.
Speaker 4: But damn it melts you on the inside right essentially essentially,
Speaker 4: So hold on, now, what year was this? You said?
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy four, the year after Lisa and French was off.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, when do you ever remember hearing about check
Speaker 4: your candy? Because they used to poison their kids in
Speaker 4: the seventies with this candy. They have never seen a
Speaker 4: candy company have some sort of accident or releases some poison.
Speaker 3: The only ones that you hear about are shit like this.
Speaker 1: Yep, he was Brian.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: The whole country was on high alert for this to happen.
Speaker 4: So he just planned it out to where he could
Speaker 4: blame the creepy old dude down the street.
Speaker 1: Yes, he waited for Halloween and then police actually went
Speaker 1: and like tossed his place and was like, hey that
Speaker 1: we heard that you get handed out pixie sticks on
Speaker 1: Halloween and this this boy is dead. And the guy
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I wasn't even home, right, I wasn't
Speaker 1: even passing out candy. And then the dad was like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, well yeah it was me.
Speaker 3: Like what.
Speaker 2: That is so strange because I mean, first of all,
Speaker 2: if he wouldn't have routed himself out, why would why
Speaker 2: would anybody assume that it was his dad? I mean,
Speaker 2: it is Halloween giving out candy. So as soon as
Speaker 2: you know that that guy had an alibi and he
Speaker 2: said that he wasn't home, why would he instantly just
Speaker 2: fold like that.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a weak move.
Speaker 1: I know, I think maybe so again with this whole
Speaker 1: Halloween angle, this guy had no violent history whatsoever, hadn't
Speaker 1: heard a fly until this night, and then poisoned his
Speaker 1: own son with cyanide poisoning. I mean, it's just and
Speaker 1: then you know, you get to November, Halloween's over there
Speaker 1: investigating the crime and he folds, you know, like a
Speaker 1: house of cards. Why is it because Halloween has this
Speaker 1: energy around it? Would he have done it otherwise?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That sounds about right too, because I'm saying, dude, there's
Speaker 2: definitely something going on with Halloween, and I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, we just recently did an episode on alcohol
Speaker 2: or you know, the alcohol right, and it's like supposed
Speaker 2: to be the alcohol demon or whatever that supposedly whenever,
Speaker 2: you know, because alcohol and wine and beer and all
Speaker 2: that are not wine so much, but it's said to
Speaker 2: have spirits, and so it's said to be like it's
Speaker 2: almost like everybody, everybody who drinks like heavy like that,
Speaker 2: it's almost like you're inviting a spirit into your body.
Speaker 2: And I compared it to like playing with the Ouiji
Speaker 2: board if you're drinking too much, because there's some you're
Speaker 2: turning into a whole extra person. And I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you might be able to compare that
Speaker 2: to Halloween in a way.
Speaker 3: If you open yourself up.
Speaker 2: To any of this negative shit, then you're essentially inviting
Speaker 2: what may be coming on the other side a little
Speaker 2: bit easier.
Speaker 3: Specifically on October thirty first.
Speaker 1: Well, and you know what's weird is they say that
Speaker 1: they used to dress up in costumes to frighten the
Speaker 1: dead away or whatever that wives tale is, and it's
Speaker 1: like they're dead what do they have to be fucking
Speaker 1: as scared of?
Speaker 3: Like it made.
Speaker 1: Sense to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people, Okay, so I have a family member I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna name, but this person believes like they don't
Speaker 4: want to be cremated because that just means that, like
Speaker 4: God's got to have all that extra work to put
Speaker 4: them back together when it gets to heaven. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 4: you're selling your body doesn't go there, right, He's like, well,
Speaker 4: yeah it does, because like yeah, this and this, Like
Speaker 4: people have so many different beliefs as far as what
Speaker 4: death is and what happens next and what it surrounds
Speaker 4: with's so yeah, like costumes to scare the dead away
Speaker 4: because like I guess the dead ain't at their final
Speaker 4: destination or something.
Speaker 1: And they're also scared of six year olds in grimlin costume.
Speaker 2: Damn right, right, Well, there's the idea of purgatory, right,
Speaker 2: there's the idea that some don't want to cross over
Speaker 2: yet because they're they're judging themselves too hard, and that's
Speaker 2: why you get the whole idea of well, usually the
Speaker 2: ones anytime there's a ghost story, like ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: of the time, it's always like a negative thing right right,
Speaker 2: because the people haven't accepted or they they don't want
Speaker 2: to leave because sometimes it's an addiction involved. So like
Speaker 2: like if you're a meth addict or a heroin addict,
Speaker 2: or an alcoholic or any or maybe like a sex addict,
Speaker 2: that it's said that when whatever, you die and you're
Speaker 2: getting ready to transfer over to the to the next
Speaker 2: realm or heaven or whatever, you believe that a lot
Speaker 2: of times that addiction will keep you attached here. And
Speaker 2: that's what that's you know, that's where the spirits come from.
Speaker 3: That's a story anyway.
Speaker 1: Or something something even like having a violent death. I
Speaker 1: think you might not even realize you're dead. If you
Speaker 1: got shot in the head and it was an instant death.
Speaker 1: Are you going You're gonna be like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Where the fuck am I? You might hang around because
Speaker 1: you're like, am I even dead? Like what just happened
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what you think as far as
Speaker 2: you know, who is coming to your bedside whenever you die,
Speaker 2: you know, is it is it gonna be your auntie
Speaker 2: or your uncle or your grandpa that has passed, or
Speaker 2: some kind of grim reaper to assist you and I'm
Speaker 2: maybe it's different if you get shot in the head unexpectedly.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's different if you get run over by a
Speaker 2: truck or something like that.
Speaker 4: So we can hypothize all of these things till the
Speaker 4: cows come home. That's my point. Culturally speaking, relevance to
Speaker 4: your background. Everybody's got a million interpretations of what happens next.
Speaker 4: Who knows, man, I can't wait to find out. But
Speaker 4: you know, until then, well.
Speaker 1: And then you have people who don't even know. They
Speaker 1: don't even know if there is a next. But next
Speaker 1: on my list is one that turned into a whole
Speaker 1: fucking Netflix series. Okay, okay, And the Netflix series was
Speaker 1: called Making a Murderer. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: saw that on there.
Speaker 4: I never watched it, but I've seen the bits of it.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: It was Teresa hall Back and she was twenty five
Speaker 1: murdered on Halloween two thousand and five, and there is
Speaker 1: an ongoing debate over the identity of her killer to
Speaker 1: this day. But a guy named Stephen Avery was arrested
Speaker 1: and he's currently serving a life sentence because they found
Speaker 1: her charred remains in a burn pile on his property.
Speaker 1: But if you watch this series and look at a
Speaker 1: lot of the evidence that's come to light, he might
Speaker 1: actually have been framed. I know it sounds crazy, but
Speaker 1: it's one of those Netflix series you got to watch
Speaker 1: it till the end and you're so sure it's him,
Speaker 1: and then you're kind of like, no, there's no way
Speaker 1: it could be him. And so this did occur Halloween
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. No one's found the definitive evidence
Speaker 1: to say yes, it's Steven Avery, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people do think it was him.
Speaker 2: Okay, So is it possible that they just found her
Speaker 2: remains on Halloween or is it possible that she died
Speaker 2: a couple of days earlier, or is it for sure
Speaker 2: that the day that she got fried, she was like some.
Speaker 1: Kind of a photographer and she called her friend on
Speaker 1: the way to Stephen Avery's home because she was going
Speaker 1: to take some kind of photographs for him, and then
Speaker 1: they found and that was on Halloween, and then they
Speaker 1: found her body I think the next day or a
Speaker 1: couple days later, when she never called back or returned home,
Speaker 1: and she was in a burn pile on his property,
Speaker 1: and they were like, okay, we knew she was on
Speaker 1: her way to his house. We know she knew him
Speaker 1: and that she was going to be alone there, and
Speaker 1: she's dead in a burn pile on his yard. Guilty.
Speaker 4: See that's another job that I never thought about before.
Speaker 4: But on side photographers, that could be potentially very dangerous
Speaker 4: for them, especially a young woman.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, I've never.
Speaker 4: Thought about that. Like you hear about the massage therapist
Speaker 4: that will come to your home and like that more
Speaker 4: or less these days is like a sideline for prostitution
Speaker 4: if you're looking at the right place. But like that
Speaker 4: is dangerous as hell. We have that one girl that
Speaker 4: died in LP a couple of years back doing that.
Speaker 2: I went to high school with her, right, Yes, So
Speaker 2: she went over to give a quote unquote massage straight
Speaker 2: and it was understood that.
Speaker 3: That's what she was doing.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was handies or whatever, but
Speaker 2: there was something sexual going on there for sure, and
Speaker 2: I guess she was, uh, she was actually engaged or
Speaker 2: or with somebody, right, And I went to high school
Speaker 2: with both of them, and it was it was so strange.
Speaker 2: Nobody really expected this to be going on because she
Speaker 2: seemed like such a nice girl. Like that was my perspective.
Speaker 2: My perspective of hers that she wouldn't be doing shit
Speaker 2: like that. But that being said, you know, an aspiring
Speaker 2: uh massuse going over and the the story was is
Speaker 2: that she was always going over to these people's houses,
Speaker 2: and not only would she be pleasing them sexually, but
Speaker 2: it was always said that she was going over there
Speaker 2: to steal.
Speaker 3: Now this is this is during the time where you know.
Speaker 2: Bars like bars and uh, you know, all the different
Speaker 2: kind of drugs were going on, like the my numbing ones,
Speaker 2: and so what happened was is that, uh, the guy
Speaker 2: actually confessed and he even told the story. So whenever
Speaker 2: the cops showed up to her how to his house
Speaker 2: because the boyfriend or the pimp or whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call him, said that that was the last known location.
Speaker 2: The guy said, yeah, I killed her, and he was
Speaker 2: just some guy that was living alone.
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, I killed her.
Speaker 2: I stuffed her into a uh, into a tupperware container
Speaker 2: or one of those big rubber Maid containers, and he goes, dude, yeah,
Speaker 2: he wrapped her inside of this plastic cellophane or something
Speaker 2: and then stuffed her into a rubber maid thing and
Speaker 2: like chopped her up and shit too.
Speaker 3: His fucking brutal. Yeah, but it's said that.
Speaker 2: Uh, he goes, yeah, I killed her because she was
Speaker 2: fucking stealing from me.
Speaker 3: As he went, he was like, uh, she was preparing
Speaker 3: all of you know, the the oils and the towels
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And he went to the bathroom, I guess to you know,
Speaker 2: just just to go to the bathroom. And he comes
Speaker 2: back and he notices that she's like stealing his laptop
Speaker 2: and and our drives and shit like that.
Speaker 3: And he's like, all right, well that's it, and he
Speaker 3: completely confessed.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Instant death for you. I would have just called the cops,
Speaker 1: but silly me. Well, you know, at that point is
Speaker 1: so much easier.
Speaker 4: He paid her to come over here for sex. He's
Speaker 4: not thinking like she's got some sort of whole backstory
Speaker 4: in a family that loves her and stuff. She's a
Speaker 4: prostitute at this point. So at that time you pretty
Speaker 4: much see them as an object, I suppose. And he's like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I guess fuck this, your pemp's gonna have to find
Speaker 4: a new a new employee and said fuck it didn't
Speaker 4: realize oh yeah, and that she's like, yeah, anyway, anyway,
Speaker 4: neither here or there. My point is, though, that type
Speaker 4: of work I understand has an inherent danger to it.
Speaker 4: I never thought about photographers. You think about that, a
Speaker 4: woman gets called to do a photographer photo shoot for
Speaker 4: some family or some client. Whatever goes alone, the place
Speaker 4: is verified, whatever, Dude, that's sketchy as fuck.
Speaker 1: They could literally bash you over the head, stick you
Speaker 1: in the trunk, and drive off to wherever with you.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's gone well, especially too if you think about it,
Speaker 2: like it's not always meeting at the house.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's like out in the.
Speaker 1: Field, very remote locations, like hey, there's this horse farm
Speaker 1: like twenty miles away from here that's just gorgeous for photos.
Speaker 1: You meet them there, they literally bash you over the head,
Speaker 1: stick you in the trunk, and they find your fucking
Speaker 1: body two weeks later in a burn pile.
Speaker 4: I feel like this is the whole backstory to most
Speaker 4: of the Law and Order series.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, Yeah, Mark Criminal Minds.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, Well next thing, you know, your fucking
Speaker 2: pig feed bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Like they said in the movie Stitch, do not
Speaker 4: trust them and that has pigs on his farm.
Speaker 3: Stitch, No, no, no, uh stitcher.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, Okay, the British movie, but Brad Pitt's the
Speaker 4: pikey fucking Irish boxer, right. Yeah, A mob boss was
Speaker 4: telling them, Look, a pig can eat a human body
Speaker 4: all the way down to the tea for forty eight hours.
Speaker 4: Do not trust a man that has a pig farm
Speaker 4: out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: Savages, that's wild. That's why. That's why I'm not big
Speaker 3: on poor chops bron in Louisiana, in most of our Bayous.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, you bury a body eighteen
Speaker 4: inches below the surface and bury it, It's gone in
Speaker 4: three days. Dude.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the bacteria just needs to a live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, though you.
Speaker 1: Could just feed them to the gators.
Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of a messy process, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: That's might They might be picking and choose and they
Speaker 1: find a hand here foot there you got some scraps
Speaker 1: left behind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just like rotten meat better than fresh meat.
Speaker 1: That's oh god, alright, next person, now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, beef smelts is a thing like you take a
Speaker 4: rotten beef liver and squeeze them juices out in the water.
Speaker 4: I'll call them from all over These guys on TV
Speaker 4: feeding them this fucking fresh chicken quarter, Like, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: good for the ones at the zoo, but the ones
Speaker 4: in the Bayous they want the sludge. They want the
Speaker 4: let it' sit out in the sun for a couple
Speaker 4: of days. How many of these gators that we found
Speaker 4: on trot lines? Dude, that fucking I don't know if
Speaker 4: you know what a trot line is, do you? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 4: so a trot line, you'll get a fucking turtle a
Speaker 4: snap on there and get hooked. A gator will come
Speaker 4: and snap onto that turtle and die, and that's that's
Speaker 4: been dead for like weeks before that gator even smelled
Speaker 4: it to come and fuck with it. It's ah fuck,
Speaker 4: oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I eat gator bites.
Speaker 4: I had gator bites.
Speaker 3: Girlm in Louisiana. What was she talking about?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've probably eaten snapping turtle asshole that's
Speaker 1: been rotted because freaking their diet sucks.
Speaker 4: It does, But that's what they love. They don't want
Speaker 4: no fresh vegetation. They want ship that's been dead for
Speaker 4: a couple of days and it's bloated. That's their ship.
Speaker 3: Gator is the true chicken of the seed.
Speaker 4: Bro it's the chicken of the Bayeu.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually, I'll take on some real shit. Neutrarette that chicken
Speaker 4: by you. Listen at me now. It is a fresh
Speaker 4: vegetation eating herbivore. It doesn't touch trash. The fact that
Speaker 4: it's called rat. It's a beaver that's got a stump tail.
Speaker 3: Dude, it's one of the ugliest creatures you'll ever lay
Speaker 3: eyes on.
Speaker 4: And it is so delicious and there's very little fat
Speaker 4: on this thing. The fucking fur is so waterproof and
Speaker 4: so warm. Look, I'm telling you, neutra rat, although it
Speaker 4: is a vermin and it is tearing up our ecosystem, that,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, is the chicken of the bye. You dude,
Speaker 4: come at me.
Speaker 3: With I can't believe you've eaten one of those nasty
Speaker 3: things here.
Speaker 4: That a raccoon, but that's too greasy at that point.
Speaker 3: You got a before you grill it. It's a whole process.
Speaker 3: I want to eat rocket raccoon.
Speaker 4: Bro oh man, Yeah, I know, dudes to have a raccoon.
Speaker 4: Dickx's toothpicks. They were on their necks like necklaces. It's
Speaker 4: a bone. Oh shit, I know what, dude, listenm in
Speaker 4: our neighborhood. His nickname is Kon Dick of.
Speaker 1: Course, my god, see, I feel like you guys like
Speaker 1: Fried Raccoon's asshole on a stick or something shit Raccoon before.
Speaker 4: But it's not like my every Tuesday meal like I mean,
Speaker 4: it's there's way better produce at the store, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: All right now, moving on to our next victim here.
Speaker 1: And it's funny we were talking about this, like drownding
Speaker 1: and all this stuff and to buy you because have
Speaker 1: you heard of the Smiley Face Killer?
Speaker 3: I have, Let's go okay.
Speaker 1: So I've done a few episodes with William Ramsey on
Speaker 1: the Smiley Face Killer and people really don't even want
Speaker 1: to admit that it is a killer. They just say
Speaker 1: that they're accidental drowndings, that they're not correlated or connected
Speaker 1: in any way, that they just keep finding the same
Speaker 1: around the same age, college student men face down in
Speaker 1: a ravine or somewhere in water, shallow water too, and
Speaker 1: they always say accidental drownding. But it's kind of a cult,
Speaker 1: not kind of. It is a cult in nature, and
Speaker 1: William Ramsey has talked about how they have to be
Speaker 1: connected because someone can't be dying in the same way
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over again
Speaker 1: and it not be related. I guess you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same mo Now. Actually, there's one Chris Jenkins,
Speaker 1: and he disappeared the night of Halloween in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, and he was discovered four months later in
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River, still in his Halloween costume, with all
Speaker 1: the same characteristics as the other Smiley Face murder victims.
Speaker 3: WHOA that lines up. Okay, So what our.
Speaker 1: Theory is is that they keep them somewhere in torture
Speaker 1: them for a very long time, and then they dump
Speaker 1: their bodies somewhere in water.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that would that would check out. Now the
Speaker 4: body I'm assuming like they're And that's the thing. Depending
Speaker 4: on how long it is before they're found, you can
Speaker 4: never tell like how much mutilation had happened prior to
Speaker 4: two time of death, and like you can generalize things
Speaker 4: a certain way, but there's it's really really difficult to
Speaker 4: get a real estimate on that type of thing. Whenever
Speaker 4: you have a body that's been out for god knows how.
Speaker 1: Long, bloated, discolored, decomposing, and the people who were with
Speaker 1: Chris that night, say that he was actually walking by
Speaker 1: himself out of a bar because they went to a
Speaker 1: bar for a Halloween party. They were all in costumes.
Speaker 1: They broke off, split off. He was walking alone down
Speaker 1: the sidewalk and they never saw him again. And then
Speaker 1: he turns up four months later in the Mississippi River,
Speaker 1: face down, still in his Halloween costume.
Speaker 4: Now that's all I was gonna say that the body
Speaker 4: looked like it had been there for months, or like
Speaker 4: it had just been.
Speaker 3: There like.
Speaker 1: Maybe a week. Ooh, So I mean it was still
Speaker 1: bloated and decomposing, but he hadn't been in there four months.
Speaker 1: If you know what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying, Remind me again, how what time of year or
Speaker 4: what what area of the country was this.
Speaker 1: So I didn't write that down. I have that he
Speaker 1: was found in the Mississippi River and he was killed
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, so people can go and
Speaker 1: look up Chris Jenkins, though they say that they've never
Speaker 1: been able to find his murderer. But if you know
Speaker 1: what we know, the Smiley Face killer is very occult
Speaker 1: in nature, and there's probably a group of people working
Speaker 1: together all around the country doing this to young men.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's well.
Speaker 2: Especially then, it was a pretty common thing about the
Speaker 2: whole Smiley Face killer or killers.
Speaker 4: What was that. There was a show that it came out.
Speaker 4: I was like only on Facebook I could find it,
Speaker 4: and it was a whole backstory. Like this teenage girl
Speaker 4: that was pretty much her parents were both members of
Speaker 4: the Smiley Face cult and the mass it was like
Speaker 4: a burlap sack with like two black eyes and a
Speaker 4: black smiley face.
Speaker 3: All these adults from around this little town would come
Speaker 3: together and.
Speaker 4: Meet, and it was a cult that would do all
Speaker 4: of these things. And basically their whole premise was to
Speaker 4: be anti victimhood, Like as soon as one of the
Speaker 4: even within themselves in their own ranks, if a member
Speaker 4: ever tried to take a stance of oh woe is
Speaker 4: me in any way, like, they would in fight and
Speaker 4: kill them immediately. Like they did not put up with
Speaker 4: the victimhood people, they would not take charge of their
Speaker 4: life to such a degree were the victims of these killings,
Speaker 4: and it was a whole thing. This teenage girl was
Speaker 4: like taking vlogs and she was like trying to have
Speaker 4: normal teenage experiences but couldn't because their parents were fucking
Speaker 4: you know, occult to serial Killers. It was a whole thing.
Speaker 3: It was a whole thing, and we went over for
Speaker 3: like two seasons. Jesus.
Speaker 4: Well, but it sounds like it, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Didn't they In Forrest Gump they pretty much said Forrest
Speaker 1: Gump was responsible for the smiley face.
Speaker 4: No, there was a T shirt that went around in
Speaker 4: the seventies and had a smiling face and said have
Speaker 4: a nice day. That was the reference to that. It
Speaker 4: was one of those things that like our parents understood
Speaker 4: watching the show, but we didn't. Just like the right
Speaker 4: after that, the shit Happens one that was a really
Speaker 4: really popular bumper sticker for that day and age, but
Speaker 4: like our generation never saw that.
Speaker 1: Growing up, Okay, because I know, like when I was little,
Speaker 1: there would be a person at Walmart that would like
Speaker 1: greet you and give you a smiley face sticker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2: There was also a wrestler back in the day called Mankind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was the one that wore like the mask,
Speaker 2: but it was like straps and shit and he was.
Speaker 4: Those other straps because his face is all mangled or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, no, I mean, well that was the idea,
Speaker 3: but that's not how it was.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's Mick Foley, but he always wore the
Speaker 2: T shirt that didn't have a Nice Day with the
Speaker 2: smiley face on it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they licensed it to certain people, and I
Speaker 4: think Walmart actually finally got the whole license to that
Speaker 4: smiley face, or at least theirs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They had those smiley face stickers. They'd give you one
Speaker 1: every time they were all over the fucking carts and shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it's weird, well not weird because it
Speaker 1: makes sense. But every victim they have found of the
Speaker 1: Smiley Face killer, when they look, there's a smiley face
Speaker 1: somewhere nearby. So that's the premise behind it, is the
Speaker 1: symbolism behind the miley face every victim. If you look
Speaker 1: hard enough, you'll find one carved in a tree, You'll
Speaker 1: find one spray painted on the wall. It's there wherever
Speaker 1: you look. But so this next one, this next one,
Speaker 1: I feel like is really gonna get you, guys, because
Speaker 1: I was very surprised not more people know about this.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Martha Moxley?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Yes, but I'm droona blading as to why I might
Speaker 4: be getting her and Lindsey bored and confused, and be honest.
Speaker 1: With you, you will you will be surprised. So nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy five, So we had nineteen seventy three, Lisa and French,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, Timothy O'Brien, nineteen seventy five. Martha Moxley
Speaker 1: fifteen years old. She was found dead on her family's
Speaker 1: property in the affluent neighborhood of Greenwich, Connecticut. Another Greenwitch,
Speaker 1: Another green Witch. Her family came to suspect that she'd
Speaker 1: been murdered by their teenage neighbor, Michael Scafell. So what's
Speaker 1: so interesting about Michael Skakeele? He turns out to be
Speaker 1: the nephew of Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Oh get out here, m h by way.
Speaker 1: Of his wife Ethel. So he grew up in the
Speaker 1: Kennedy family. And it said Michael spent most of October
Speaker 1: thirtieth with Martha Moxley and his seventeen year old brother Tommy.
Speaker 1: But he says at some point they left and went
Speaker 1: to their cousin's house, and Martha went home, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't know what happened to her after that. But on
Speaker 1: Halloween the next day, Martha was found dead under a
Speaker 1: tree in her backyard. She'd been bludgeoned and stabbed with
Speaker 1: the golf club to such an extent that the golf
Speaker 1: club had shattered, and investigators searched the scene and they
Speaker 1: found a matching golf club in the Scicoll residence. Why so, wow,
Speaker 1: they just covered that. You know, they covered that shit up,
Speaker 1: you know, how to be him.
Speaker 4: If there's any connection to the Kennedy's, we have to
Speaker 4: cover this up with government money immediately. We cannot let
Speaker 4: the image of the Kennedy name be tarnished.
Speaker 2: Well, it's mafia ties as well, exactly, and so well,
Speaker 2: especially since you know, depending on what story you believe
Speaker 2: about Marilyn Monroe, one of the stories is is that
Speaker 2: you know, whenever she quote unquote overdosed in her room, right,
Speaker 2: it was Jackie.
Speaker 3: I think that was Jackie's revenge.
Speaker 2: It could have been I don't think so, because the
Speaker 2: story goes that not only was Alea Monroe sleeping with JFK,
Speaker 2: but also RFK two for sure, and supposedly JFK or
Speaker 2: RFK set a little bedside secrets and Marilyn Monroe was
Speaker 2: going to be exposing that shit. And she goes, look,
Speaker 2: I'm going to come out and say it. She announced it.
Speaker 2: I hate when they do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell the government's secrets. And then you're surprised whenever you
Speaker 2: show up dead the next day before you ever even
Speaker 2: get the chance of saying anything. But the crazy part
Speaker 2: is is that she ends up uh, she ends up
Speaker 2: being found dead. And what most people actually track it
Speaker 2: back to is that RFK is the one that was
Speaker 2: the one that actually ended up killing her, whether it
Speaker 2: be by the pills or the alcohol or whatever. So
Speaker 2: I'm not even surprized that this is another RFK related thing.
Speaker 2: And now RFK Junior is trying to run for president
Speaker 2: and get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 4: This would be his cousin, right, that is insane. His
Speaker 4: first cousin, if that is correct, is an absolute murderer.
Speaker 4: Was like found but then was pushed under the rug
Speaker 4: and he killed her with a gun.
Speaker 1: It was pushed under the rug so fucking fast, and
Speaker 1: they never found anyone else who they could even remotely
Speaker 1: tie it to.
Speaker 4: And let's not forget that the Kennedy family bottomized the
Speaker 4: youngest sister of the Kendy They sure the.
Speaker 1: Fuck did I did do like I did a three
Speaker 1: hour episode on what really happened to Marilyn Monroe for
Speaker 1: the listeners. I'm actually going to revive it and add
Speaker 1: some more information because I got autopsy reports. I got
Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 4: Okay, we need you for that, we need you for that,
Speaker 4: and I need I want to bounce one off of you.
Speaker 4: And this is just a Jacob theory. This is not
Speaker 4: founded in any type of factory.
Speaker 1: Can you be mad if I say you're wrong?
Speaker 4: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: This is okay, hit me.
Speaker 4: But I also know the wrath of a scorned white woman. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is very well. I am throwing out a hypothetical. Okay,
Speaker 4: keep in mind Jackie O and U who was an
Speaker 4: RFK or Robert Kennedy's wife, whoever refrir ethel. Okay, these
Speaker 4: women were equally as connected as their husbands. They were
Speaker 4: equally welcomed and beloved by the country they had pool
Speaker 4: whether they wanted to actually like let that be known
Speaker 4: or not. So is it a crazy concept to think
Speaker 4: that both of these women to protect their husband's image,
Speaker 4: to protect their marriages images, and to protect all the
Speaker 4: business dealings that would have blown the lid off of
Speaker 4: everything for them as well, that these white women didn't
Speaker 4: decide to handle up on behalf of their dead husbands
Speaker 4: on some like baby girl keeping it ten toes down
Speaker 4: and honing down for their men, and they're covering the
Speaker 4: tracks and all that shit.
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing out of the hypothetical as a theory.
Speaker 3: It's it's not that far fetch, and really it's not.
Speaker 1: If I'm able to do the full breakdown with you guys,
Speaker 1: it's very extensive, and I feel like you will walk
Speaker 1: away knowing one with absolute certainty, what happened to her.
Speaker 1: That's my thing. That's what I do. There are no
Speaker 1: questions left unanswered. You will know everything that happened that night.
Speaker 3: But could it have been sitting night?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: The weird thing is is Marilyn Monroe died just a
Speaker 1: few days after she's sang Happy Birthday to the President
Speaker 1: in that iconic dress that Kim Kardashian later wore, And
Speaker 1: so they were both still alive when she died, and
Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy actually paid a visit to her house the
Speaker 1: morning of her death.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: People do suspect that he had something to do with it?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Wall I can't wait to have you come on, come
Speaker 2: on the Cult and just do that whole Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 2: show that I love getting like talking about Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 2: because it kind of still is like a it's a
Speaker 2: it's a huge conspiracy bro Like there's so many details.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the game Clue.
Speaker 4: There's so many levels to it. The more you dig in,
Speaker 4: the more mystery there is surrounding it. It's it's a
Speaker 4: very fun one to talk about, for sure.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I you'll enjoy it. So we'll have to set it
Speaker 1: up because I I really have a lot of off
Speaker 1: on her and I actually was going to be so
Speaker 1: disappointed if our audio issues messed up this next one
Speaker 1: because it's the last one, the last Halloween Murder, and
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the craziest tie back of all time.
Speaker 1: But so we're going to be talking about Shirley Ledford.
Speaker 1: I don't know if ever heard of her, and she's
Speaker 1: the Halloween Murder victim of the toolbox Killers.
Speaker 3: Oh the ones that stab them, people up at them,
Speaker 3: the screwdrivers.
Speaker 1: Listen to this shit. Okay. I had actually never heard
Speaker 1: of the Toolbox Killers until I did this research, which
Speaker 1: for how gruesome and depraved their killings were. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of them before.
Speaker 3: So I guess how old are you.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Okay, So were you privy to the Internet around the
Speaker 4: time of Two Girls, One Cup?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so that I have to ask that.
Speaker 4: Sorry to trigger anybody out there, but that's a good
Speaker 4: indication as to what generation of Internet wildness you were
Speaker 4: exposed to, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I remember once upon a time these Russian teens.
Speaker 4: It was like discovered that they were they called the
Speaker 4: Toolbox Killers, and we weren't watching the videos of them
Speaker 4: of what they It was more or less like the
Speaker 4: story from Russia or from some country.
Speaker 3: I never actually knew if it was Russia or Germany
Speaker 3: or what.
Speaker 4: But basically, these kids were just like abusing these people
Speaker 4: with screwdrivers and hammers and all this shit, and not
Speaker 4: just them. They started with like dogs, went into these
Speaker 4: old people, and then they finally were caught. We saw
Speaker 4: clips of these videos because that was what was allowed
Speaker 4: on YouTube at the time, but it wasn't like raw footage.
Speaker 4: It was like a news article, but it was Russian,
Speaker 4: so it showed like the shit.
Speaker 1: Dude. They must have named themselves after the Toolbox Killer's
Speaker 1: namesake because they were rampant in the seventies. Whoa, Okay, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna fucking freak out. Okay, So, by
Speaker 1: October thirty first, nineteen seventy nine, Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris,
Speaker 1: the so called Toolbox Killers, had already killed four women,
Speaker 1: and their last victim they took on Halloween, and these
Speaker 1: fucking devils abducted a sixteen year old girl named Shirley
Speaker 1: Lynnette Ledford, picked her up while she was hitchhiking on
Speaker 1: the side of the road, took her to a secluded location,
Speaker 1: and they tortured her to death. But the way that
Speaker 1: they did it, the way that they did it, I
Speaker 1: have never heard anything like this in my entire life.
Speaker 1: And again trigger warning, Okay, just for anybody who this,
Speaker 1: it's too grusome. They don't want to hear it. Just
Speaker 1: skip about twenty seconds ahead in the episode. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: she was raped, sodomized. They smashed her elbows with sledgehammers
Speaker 1: into pa and they twisted her tits off with pliers.
Speaker 4: Oh, they used to be a medieval torture type. They
Speaker 4: have a device made specifically for that.
Speaker 1: They twisted her tits with pliers and miraculously she lived.
Speaker 1: She lived through all of that.
Speaker 3: Whoa, that's a medieval purple nurple.
Speaker 4: Well, device was for the entire boob, not just like
Speaker 4: the nipple, like it was a whole they have like
Speaker 4: it's like claws.
Speaker 3: Oh what yeah, that sounds even.
Speaker 1: The medieval, medieval titty twister. But that was not her
Speaker 1: official cause of death. Her official cause of death is
Speaker 1: she lived through all of that other stuff, and they
Speaker 1: strangled her to death with a coat hanger. Fuck after
Speaker 1: they did all.
Speaker 4: Of that, the poor girl.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure, like me, everyone wants to know what
Speaker 1: happened to these fuck sticks. Yeah, so get this shit. Damningly,
Speaker 1: they fucking recorded the entire mutilation on video and then
Speaker 1: showed it to their friends and bragged about it, and
Speaker 1: it made one of them so fucking sick to watch
Speaker 1: it that they ran immediately and told police what they had.
Speaker 3: What was the age range with these these individuals.
Speaker 1: They were in their twenties.
Speaker 4: Oh my disgusting. I'm telling you, a slow torture is
Speaker 4: death is what they deserve.
Speaker 1: So the tape of Ledford's prolonged torture was played for
Speaker 1: the jurors at the trial in nineteen eighty one, and
Speaker 1: the prosecutor told the jurors before he starts did the tape.
Speaker 1: For those of you who do not know what hell
Speaker 1: looks like, you will find out. That's what he said
Speaker 1: before he played the tape. I believe that during the
Speaker 1: playing of the tape, the jurors threw up, they cried,
Speaker 1: they had to leave. I mean, it was awful. So
Speaker 1: Lawrence Bittaker was sentenced to death and Roy Norris, this
Speaker 1: little shit bag, agreed to testify against Lawrence and he
Speaker 1: was just sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 4: See that's why the movie law Abiding Citizen was a thing.
Speaker 1: Literally this and I mean so the Toolbox killers have
Speaker 1: since died, but even Bittaker sat in fucking death row
Speaker 1: until twenty nineteen, and Roy Norris died in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: And apparently they inspired these other rushing kids or whatever
Speaker 4: they did in the two thousands.
Speaker 1: So this is what caught my attention and why I
Speaker 1: have to bring this up to you guys. I wanted
Speaker 1: to do some more deep diving because you don't get
Speaker 1: these type of psychopaths just in your run of the mill,
Speaker 1: you know, psycho. This is to the next level. I mean,
Speaker 1: twisting somebody's tits off and doing all that. This is
Speaker 1: some crazy ass shit. Isn't design type shit. So I
Speaker 1: began my research. Laurence Spittaker born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, put
Speaker 1: up for adoption as an infant and raised by adoptive
Speaker 1: parents in front of people.
Speaker 4: Bro Look, man, it sucks, and it sucks that it's
Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: I'm from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, he was a child of
Speaker 4: the system.
Speaker 1: He was a child of the system. That's kind of
Speaker 1: where I was getting at. And from what it sounds like,
Speaker 1: his adoptive father was in the military or air Force
Speaker 1: or something like that, and they moved around a lot,
Speaker 1: and he got in a ton of trouble as a kid,
Speaker 1: all the way into adulthood. I mean, his rap sheet
Speaker 1: was like a mile long. But so was Roy Norris.
Speaker 1: The weird thing is Roy Norris was born in Greeley, Colorado,
Speaker 1: like not even remotely close to each other, but his
Speaker 1: parents were like drug addicted scumbags. So Roy was in
Speaker 1: and out of foster care his entire life. Claim he
Speaker 1: was sexually abused by his foster parents and that led
Speaker 1: to his deviant sexual behavior. But here's where it gets me.
Speaker 1: He ended up dropping out of high school, joined the
Speaker 1: US Navy, and served in the Vietnam War.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I've said this before, Like the parameters to check
Speaker 4: if somebody's crazy or not before sending them into war
Speaker 4: is not what they should be. I've said this before. Man,
Speaker 4: the Marine Corps, I'm telling you, has taken some people
Speaker 4: that they really shouldn't have, but they would fill a
Speaker 4: specific well you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If you read the book Program to Kill by David McGowan,
Speaker 1: you'll notice how a lot of people were normal or
Speaker 1: maybe had a little something wrong with them until after
Speaker 1: they get out of the army. And then you have
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, like all the main, main, main
Speaker 1: serial killers they were in the military.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a lot of brainwashing that goes on
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 2: But then there's also no there's the PTSD, which I
Speaker 2: mean they know the.
Speaker 1: Secret, secret government programs that go on. Maybe they see
Speaker 1: a Jeffrey Dahmer type and they're like, yeah, that one
Speaker 1: put him in Project Monarch.
Speaker 3: And see that's the thing.
Speaker 4: I can only speak to the military circa twenty ten
Speaker 4: to twenty fourteen, and only to my small section of
Speaker 4: the overall pie that is the United States Department of Defense,
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But all that to say, we have so many stories
Speaker 3: of shit that was going down in.
Speaker 4: The sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties by our Department of Defense.
Speaker 4: Now I don't know what it was and wasn't going
Speaker 4: down while I was in the stuff that I did see,
Speaker 4: I wasn't really particularly fond of. But as far as
Speaker 4: the dark web government or dark web in the shadow realms,
Speaker 4: government entities and programs that operate, we have so many
Speaker 4: stories about how these things have played out to this day.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, this is not.
Speaker 3: Crazy to me.
Speaker 4: And I mean it also makes sense that a certain
Speaker 4: person could be used strategically if guided and molded the
Speaker 4: proper way. I understand this.
Speaker 1: The argument I always make is when you look at
Speaker 1: some of these big ones that they always make Netflix
Speaker 1: documentaries on, like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, there are
Speaker 1: so many killers out there that have done justice heinous
Speaker 1: of crimes, but they don't get their own Netflix special
Speaker 1: And I almost wonder if they're not proud of these
Speaker 1: guys like they are homegrown, Like, hey, look what we created.
Speaker 1: They were both in the military, and so these two
Speaker 1: fuck bags actually end up raping and assaulting their way
Speaker 1: in and out of jail over the years. And actually Norris,
Speaker 1: the one who served in Vietnam, was died knows by
Speaker 1: the military psychologist with schizoid personality disorder or d D
Speaker 1: dissociate identity disorder.
Speaker 3: Okay, I could see that that checks out, you know.
Speaker 2: And this is this is around the same time, right,
Speaker 2: Like you remember the movie Full Metal Jacket.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's Vietnam.
Speaker 2: That was the one dude killed himself right home pile
Speaker 2: think about that.
Speaker 4: That was the military at that time. That was the
Speaker 4: boot camping training at that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to literally turn off your emotions in
Speaker 2: order to get through those kind of times.
Speaker 1: I think speaking to turn off your humanity switch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it can lead to murder later on if you have
Speaker 1: no humanity whatsoever and you just want to feel something, Yeah,
Speaker 1: girl will probably do that for you.
Speaker 4: But so they evertailed For the record, anybody listening, I'm
Speaker 4: not shitting on the entire military they have.
Speaker 1: Any I never like to make blanket statements. But what
Speaker 1: I will say is when you see a certain correlation
Speaker 1: between events happening over and over and over again, in
Speaker 1: this case, serial killers and being in the military and
Speaker 1: all of them having some type of like dissociative identity disorder,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer did. I'm sure Ted Bundy did.
Speaker 1: I mean they acted one way with their family and
Speaker 1: then at night time they turned into the boogeyman. I
Speaker 1: mean that's not that's almost you have to program that
Speaker 1: into somebody, just like with Project Monarch and this SRA
Speaker 1: type abuse.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of like mental health issues right,
Speaker 2: Like how many veterans per day are killing.
Speaker 3: Themselves the law. It's high as fuck, bro.
Speaker 4: But I will say this also to any parents listening
Speaker 4: that children maybe looking to join the military, understand that, yes,
Speaker 4: these things in the past were as bad as you're
Speaker 4: thinking of the horror stories of boot camp and like
Speaker 4: a platoon of recruits were marched into a river and
Speaker 4: like were drowned because they were just following orders of
Speaker 4: the drill instructor. They were fearful of their life from it. Yes,
Speaker 4: these things have happened. However, these days things have gotten
Speaker 4: a lot better. They have more humanity about it, They
Speaker 4: are allowed more free time, they are allowed there's it's different.
Speaker 4: It's still Brandon Washington and still training them to be
Speaker 4: a better person and a more productive person, but it
Speaker 4: has been geared more towards the individual of today's world.
Speaker 4: I agree and disagree with that to certain respects, and
Speaker 4: to a certain.
Speaker 1: Points, I agree with you, but I think, in my
Speaker 1: conspiracy mind, I think it's just become more compartmentalized. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just I feel like there's the military for people
Speaker 1: that are gonna do military stuff, and then they have
Speaker 1: all these compartmentalized projects where you have to be a
Speaker 1: certain type of individual to even get access to these
Speaker 1: special projects in programs.
Speaker 4: So sure, anything in anything with counterintelligence, even within the
Speaker 4: Department of Defense, Like understand that's that secret squirrel shit
Speaker 4: that we don't know about, but like, yeah, you're a
Speaker 4: random admin clerk is like not a part of the system,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's exactly where what I'm going for is like
Speaker 1: they have these compartmentalized things that you have to be
Speaker 1: selected for in order to know about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But the weird thing, so how do we get this
Speaker 1: guy from Colorado and this guy from pretty much nowhere
Speaker 1: because he grew up all over the US meeting. They're
Speaker 1: both psychopaths, and how do they form this union? And
Speaker 1: the circumstances in which they met make no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It's all very, very very vague, and the information that
Speaker 1: you can find glazes over the meeting at all. You
Speaker 1: almost can't find a story on how they met. But
Speaker 1: what I did find is they're actually the originators of
Speaker 1: the white rape van, the gmc van Dura.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Oh I didn't know those Where it started?
Speaker 4: And Dan was started by these fucks in Colorado? Or
Speaker 4: where did they start?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that in just a second, but
Speaker 1: they did started. They are the originators of the white
Speaker 1: rape Van. And they nicknamed their rape van murder Mac Mac.
Speaker 1: So do you all know about Mickey Mouse and like
Speaker 1: the Mac the Knife shit and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, but uh, go over it, go
Speaker 2: over it, yeah, for everybody that's listening.
Speaker 1: So the morbid origins of Mac the Knife include murder, rape,
Speaker 1: killing children, so on and so forth. And this was
Speaker 1: an actual person who ran rampant and they actually had
Speaker 1: a song written about him and there's two versions of
Speaker 1: the song. There's more of like a theater type song,
Speaker 1: and then there's a song that Frank Sinatra and some
Speaker 1: more popular singers mac the Knife Song, But it's based
Speaker 1: on a real dude who raped and killed children and
Speaker 1: murdered people. And his nickname was Mackie Messer. And you
Speaker 1: can kind to guess from that where Mickey Mouse came from,
Speaker 1: because it was actually gonna be Macky Mouse after Mackie Messer,
Speaker 1: but then they changed it to Mickey Mouse, whoa he
Speaker 1: was also known to wear white.
Speaker 4: Gloves, Yeah, which a lot of the Disney characters are.
Speaker 4: And you're saying that this killer also was known wearing
Speaker 4: those white gloves.
Speaker 3: Yes, wow, oh wow.
Speaker 1: And they named their rape van murder Mac.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: And now of course nowadays, well not nowadays, but always
Speaker 2: has been thinking of the ice cream truck, it's always
Speaker 2: the it's always the rape van bro every single time.
Speaker 4: Anything that attracts children like that is something that is
Speaker 4: immediately going to appear sus, right, But then like the
Speaker 4: ice cream man, like it depends because there's been how
Speaker 4: many of these have been poisoning kids?
Speaker 3: We're just taking them on board.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reason that they use this gmc vandura and they
Speaker 1: are the originators of it. Is because they mostly picked
Speaker 1: their victims up while they were hitchhiking, so they would
Speaker 1: just slide the door over, grab them, pull them in,
Speaker 1: close the door back.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: And so getting back to to like the origins of
Speaker 1: like how they met again, is it by fate or
Speaker 1: design that these two end up finding their way to
Speaker 1: each other and no other than the great state of California. Uh,
Speaker 1: in the Laurel Canyon area?
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, there's so much that ties back to
Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 4: Dude, It's like it's like Rome when it comes to
Speaker 4: this time period in American history. All roads lead back
Speaker 4: to Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 2: It's like, how many times do we have to see,
Speaker 2: you know, Bill Gates and George Soros involved in sketchy shit.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's Laurel Canyon And what.
Speaker 1: Do we know about Laurel Canyon in the military. So
Speaker 1: that is why I ask you, does that play a
Speaker 1: part to do with what how they ended up becoming murderers?
Speaker 1: I mean, they ran rampant in Los Angeles, in the
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon area, and then they dumped their victims an
Speaker 1: hour away in the San Gabrielle Mountains. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just to me, it sounds even ritualistic.
Speaker 4: That's a very ritualistic area. Those mountains are seen from.
Speaker 4: You can look back at all the tribes that were
Speaker 4: native to that area one hundreds of years ago. Those
Speaker 4: mountains are very very symbolic.
Speaker 2: I mean, and these are Halloween rituals, so to say, right,
Speaker 2: if they're happening on Halloween and then doing a ritualistic thing,
Speaker 2: these two people not coming from any part of the
Speaker 2: same country and then meeting up in fucking California and
Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon and doing some of the most ritualistic shit ever.
Speaker 3: Of course, it is in their.
Speaker 1: Last victim, their very last victim before they were locked
Speaker 1: up forever and then died, was on Halloween. It was
Speaker 1: Shirley Ledford.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this was the one that got them finally caught.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, you're talking about the originators of the
Speaker 1: rape van coming out of the Laurel Canyon. We're talking
Speaker 1: about murder Mac and Mac the knife and shit coming
Speaker 1: out of the Laurel Canyon. I mean, I'm so sick
Speaker 1: of harping on this one subject and like trying to
Speaker 1: get people to understand that it's all connected and something
Speaker 1: as simple as me googling Halloween murders has led me
Speaker 1: back to the canyon.
Speaker 3: It'd be like that, it's really fucked, but it'd be
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Well and then two, I mean, you've come on our
Speaker 2: show before and you've talked about Disney and the dissociation
Speaker 2: that happens within you know, the abduction of kids.
Speaker 3: They say, well, you know, don't act like this. You're
Speaker 3: not you right now.
Speaker 2: You're Cinderella right now, right, and so you tie it
Speaker 2: back into Mickey Mouse is where it all started anyway?
Speaker 3: Yep, right, yes, no, God, that's from a murderer.
Speaker 4: That's a new one for me.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Max Knife. Yeah. And the craziest thing too
Speaker 1: about their tie in with of course, as you all know, NASA,
Speaker 1: But it's just the military angle. People like to talk
Speaker 1: about how Warner von Braun and Walt Disney and Stanley
Speaker 1: Kubrick were a trio of sorts and they were all
Speaker 1: besties and whatever, and they love to talk about the shining,
Speaker 1: but they forget about full metal jacket. Yeah, that's the association.
Speaker 1: What is he trying to really tell us in that movie.
Speaker 4: And then when they're walking back, they're singing the Mickey
Speaker 4: Mouse song.
Speaker 1: Boom. I was gonna say it. I was gonna say it.
Speaker 4: Why ama us, Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse. They're all saying
Speaker 4: that as they're walking.
Speaker 3: Through a school.
Speaker 2: Told Jeff, there are no coincidences, dude, there really aren't.
Speaker 3: Just saying no, but I mean, that's what I have.
Speaker 1: That's what I have for you guys tonight. So I
Speaker 1: feel like just to kind of go back over it.
Speaker 1: We had the Son of Sam, we have a relative
Speaker 1: of the Kennedys, the Smiley Face killer, Laurel Canyon. It's
Speaker 1: all culminating here on Halloween. And I just have to
Speaker 1: ask you guys again that the ritualistic significance of this holiday,
Speaker 1: it goes beyond what you would imagine.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Oh my god, dude.
Speaker 2: And so it's like, you know, we've talked about this before,
Speaker 2: about you know, all those Christian parents that didn't want
Speaker 2: their kids watching Harry.
Speaker 4: Potter, and turns out like, right, there was a reason.
Speaker 4: Come to find out they were correct. And now Rally's
Speaker 4: shit was directly from the Demonica and from Wicca, and
Speaker 4: like was two thirds of those books references to magic
Speaker 4: were direct quotes from demonic magic.
Speaker 3: Come to find out, it's like, damn it, you mean
Speaker 3: then Bible. Well mamas were on some shit.
Speaker 2: And now the same Christian parents have said for years
Speaker 2: that we've scoffed at. We don't celebrate Halloween in this house.
Speaker 2: That's up the devil.
Speaker 4: But even though the church will still put on a
Speaker 4: fall fest, like all right, you're calling in a different
Speaker 4: drunker tree it, yeah, trunk or treat. It's like you're
Speaker 4: doing the same shit just because it's on church property.
Speaker 4: Now it's Christian, Like, come, look, well.
Speaker 1: That's what happened with All Saints Day. Ye sick and
Speaker 1: tired of taking the fun shit out of Halloween, so
Speaker 1: they start incorporating it into All Saints Day, And now
Speaker 1: here we are. I have one always tell people each
Speaker 1: each year that my mom passed away. I think you
Speaker 1: guys know that, But me and my mom were besties,
Speaker 1: and she loved Halloween and she loved watching scary movies.
Speaker 1: My love for horror movies comes from my mom. And
Speaker 1: so every time around this year, as soon as I
Speaker 1: light my first pumpkin candle, I just feel like connected
Speaker 1: to her and you know, reminiscent of my childhood and
Speaker 1: being with her. But the ritualistic aspect of it is
Speaker 1: the tolerance portion. As a Christian, you would say that
Speaker 1: that's the tolerance portion. So you want to have fun
Speaker 1: and you want to do these things, but you're tolerating
Speaker 1: a certain level of evil in your home.
Speaker 4: Okay, But I also don't believe that lighting a pumpkin
Speaker 4: spice candle is indicatively evil.
Speaker 1: People accuse me of that, though, because I decorate my
Speaker 1: house for I put pumpkins and shit everywhere, and like
Speaker 1: I like to sell, I dress up for Halloween and
Speaker 1: I do all that, and they're like, how can you
Speaker 1: say that all this stuff is demonic? And then you
Speaker 1: still do it? And I'm like, everyone has this level
Speaker 1: of tolerance. For me, it's about your intent or people.
Speaker 4: Can mind a goddamn business and let God be the.
Speaker 3: On my spirit.
Speaker 4: I don't know, right, Yeah, this is my lowly perspective.
Speaker 4: People be all up in other people's kool aid. Don't
Speaker 4: even know what flavor it is, talking about his red
Speaker 4: it's green and anyway you don't even know, you know, right?
Speaker 1: No, I do feel like that though. I feel like
Speaker 1: they're low key calling me a hypocrite, and I.
Speaker 3: Call that a lot.
Speaker 4: I feel this.
Speaker 3: I feel this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh, you're such a hypocrite. You still
Speaker 1: like do Halloween stuff even though you talk about how
Speaker 1: demonic it is. And I'm like, am I intent? When
Speaker 1: I do Halloween stuff and dress up? It's like, I
Speaker 1: really just want to like have fun with my friends
Speaker 1: and family. I'm not worshiping the devil. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: ritual sacrifices. Like, that's not that's.
Speaker 2: Not me being that being said, it is said that
Speaker 2: whenever you're celebrating Halloween, it is to be within the
Speaker 2: holiday spirit.
Speaker 3: Dare I say, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: Halloween.
Speaker 2: But look at the same time, I will say this, yes,
Speaker 2: by nature, humans are tribal creatures.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, whenever there's some kind of uh, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say ritual, I don't think. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a cultural thing, yeah, and it's exciting. It's something that
Speaker 2: everybody does. We all collectively celebrate Halloween for the most part,
Speaker 2: right at least here in America, and it's it's more
Speaker 2: of a fun thing. Now if you're one of those
Speaker 2: people that likes to take it the extra step and start.
Speaker 2: You know, you want to have some Halloween parties, and
Speaker 2: you want to whip out the Ouiji board for good
Speaker 2: old time sake, and you want to pull out the
Speaker 2: spirits out of the liquor cabinet, and you know, and
Speaker 2: you want to pull out your your I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I don't believe.
Speaker 3: I don't believe this personally. But if you want to
Speaker 3: pull out your tarot deck right and invoke.
Speaker 4: Some spirits, right, you don't believe that personally, I think
Speaker 4: done the right way.
Speaker 3: I think done the No.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that I don't believe that tarot is
Speaker 2: inhibitively like always bad.
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Is that what I'm saying is? But if if not
Speaker 2: done with the right intent, you know, some things can
Speaker 2: be skewed, right, Like that's just how how And you're
Speaker 2: also talking about how the veil is at its thinnest,
Speaker 2: all right, It's understood like it's in the fall time
Speaker 2: and we're essentially during that time, we're kind of really
Speaker 2: getting ready for winter.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It's the fall into the winter, almost the harvest season.
Speaker 4: It was a time of big feasting and festivals. Regardless
Speaker 4: of what culture you're from. Fall time is when the big,
Speaker 4: big harvest would happen before you go in for winter. Right,
Speaker 4: very few crops grow in winter, so this was the
Speaker 4: time that when you would have this big harvest, you'd
Speaker 4: have a big feast to celebrate a good harvest, to
Speaker 4: give homage to the God, to God's whatever your flavor is,
Speaker 4: to thank them for a bountiful harvest before everything dies
Speaker 4: off in winter. Absolutely so a very transitional period of.
Speaker 1: Day from my perspective. I thrive in the fall because
Speaker 1: no matter what time of year it is, I'm already
Speaker 1: watching horror movies. I'm already you know. I don't really
Speaker 1: love summer activities because I get overheated and then I
Speaker 1: get homicidal, and I just like, fuck all.
Speaker 3: That shitame I hate all.
Speaker 1: It's starting to get cold outside. You got your little
Speaker 1: sweater on, you watch horror movies, you go drink hot
Speaker 1: chocolate and cider and shit. I thrive in the fall
Speaker 1: because those are things I already like to do, and
Speaker 1: it's just that one month of the year where you're like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, it's October. Now I get to you know,
Speaker 1: be uh a horror movie, free like a freak and
Speaker 1: fucking do all the things you know, and then November
Speaker 1: is my birthday month, so I kind of drag it
Speaker 1: out into November. I'm like, we're having a Halloween dress
Speaker 1: up party for my birthday this year. Absolutely, but it's
Speaker 1: just like the intent that you have, Like I just
Speaker 1: love having fun and like, actually, are you guys horror
Speaker 1: movie fans?
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of like the Slasher types, anything involving
Speaker 4: Demonic and Witcher or not Witch. I love the Witcher,
Speaker 4: but like the Omen and the Edge I'm not a
Speaker 4: fan of.
Speaker 3: But as far as like Slash, I'm right.
Speaker 4: I've seen snippets and I know enough of the plot
Speaker 4: to get the references.
Speaker 3: It's just not my jam.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here here's what I propose to you all,
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, is this the game show we played last time?
Speaker 3: It was like the horror movie trivia?
Speaker 1: Because this one is more fun?
Speaker 4: All right, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I will bid farewell to all
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Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: And also, since we are going to be wrapping this up,
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Speaker 2: being said, Julia, thanks so much. This was an awesome,
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Speaker 3: You're very well read. Yes, I'm very well prepared.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, awesome. Should we remind all the listeners to.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely absolutely we should, and it's understood at this point.
Speaker 3: It's a very good close out of the show.
Speaker 2: And there is one very important, extremely vital piece of
Speaker 2: information we need you to learn just as soon as
Speaker 2: humanly possible.
Speaker 3: How about off that third eye
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