Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 2: that turned me.
Speaker 1: Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,
Speaker 1: it turned and looked at us.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 2: the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 1: It is just circling these steps.
Speaker 2: Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to
Speaker 2: tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree,
Speaker 2: peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of.
Speaker 1: The muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I
Speaker 1: made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon and
Speaker 2: I were joined by my guest Samantha. Samantha, thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on here and talking to me.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 2: bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I am a mom from Michigan and I
Speaker 1: am a lifelong experiencer. I've had other worldly encounters since
Speaker 1: I was born, and I was born and raised in
Speaker 1: a poultry geist house in Lansing, Michigan, and I just
Speaker 1: I've finally just published a book about everything that I've
Speaker 1: seen and everything that I've witnessed and experienced just a
Speaker 1: couple months ago, where I go through every experience that
Speaker 1: I've had over the past thirty years. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I've had. I've had experiences from from the poultry gist
Speaker 1: activity to UFOs to out of body experiences and extrasensory perceptions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is this is right in my right
Speaker 1: in my ballpark. I love talking about this stuff.
Speaker 2: So you're from Michigan. Have you been in Michigan your
Speaker 2: whole life? Yep, you're not too far from I think
Speaker 2: my dad. I don't think it was Lancing, but originally
Speaker 2: I think he was in Jackson when he was born
Speaker 2: and then they moved to Florida, But yeah, he was
Speaker 2: from up in that area a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yep, I know where that is. I'm at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm just a couple hours north of Lancing, Okay, but
Speaker 1: the house I grew up in was in Lancing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I would like to you wrote a book,
Speaker 2: and before we kind of like the topics of your book.
Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil it for anyone that would
Speaker 2: want to look into the book, But is there a
Speaker 2: few things that you experienced when you were younger they
Speaker 2: kind of led you to on this path of wanting
Speaker 2: to write about it, Like, what were some of the
Speaker 2: things that set off this whole chain of events for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the house I was born in, it was
Speaker 1: I call it the Briton House because Britain was the
Speaker 1: name of the street, so that's just kind of what
Speaker 1: we call it. And it was built in nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: three in an old neighborhood in Lansing, and I have
Speaker 1: had just living there was like constant experience after experience.
Speaker 1: But my first ever encounter, my first memory actually was
Speaker 1: an out of body experience. That was an encounter with
Speaker 1: three golden beings. And I was only about it was
Speaker 1: before I could speak, so I was maybe between one
Speaker 1: and two years old, and what I remember was being
Speaker 1: out of body at the top of the staircase and
Speaker 1: having a being to my left and one to my right,
Speaker 1: and then looking down the staircase there was a third
Speaker 1: one at the bottom of the staircase looking up at us,
Speaker 1: and they were they were floating, and they were these transparent,
Speaker 1: like they kind of looked like your typical chairub angel
Speaker 1: being just a little bit different, and they were. They
Speaker 1: were transparent, but all of their details were outlined in
Speaker 1: gold glitter, and so it looked like they were very detailed,
Speaker 1: and it looked like they were just drawn so detailed
Speaker 1: with gold. And they spoke telepathically to me, and they
Speaker 1: also expressed their their emotions and their intention and what
Speaker 1: they were feeling and what they what they were asking
Speaker 1: of me. And I feel like they also they also
Speaker 1: transferred some of their abilities and yeah, through this telepathic
Speaker 1: bridge that was between me and all three of them.
Speaker 1: And when I was out of body during this experience,
Speaker 1: I remember how heightened it was being in the other
Speaker 1: realm and being in my eternal body in their presence,
Speaker 1: and it was like it was it was such a
Speaker 1: it was such an incredible experience, and it was such
Speaker 1: it was it was it opened the door. So it
Speaker 1: like so wide open for these things for me for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And I call it it's
Speaker 1: the first chapter in my book where I talk about this,
Speaker 1: because I kind of go go like in chronological order
Speaker 1: of all my experiences, and I call it Summoned for initiation,
Speaker 1: because I feel like I was summoned out of body
Speaker 1: by these beings for this initiation into the other realms
Speaker 1: and into this connection with the other side. And so
Speaker 1: I was I was. I was standing between these two
Speaker 1: beings at the top of the staircase, and they started
Speaker 1: encouraging me to lift up off of the ground and levitate.
Speaker 1: And I just had this this knowing within me of
Speaker 1: kind of what to do and how to do it,
Speaker 1: almost as if I was already familiar with the ability,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was because they transferred it to me.
Speaker 1: So I had that understanding. But I used the energy
Speaker 1: within myself and I pulled it out and I interacted
Speaker 1: my own energy with the energies that were that were
Speaker 1: flowing all around me. And so I was in like
Speaker 1: this ocean of of these currents that were that were
Speaker 1: like they had sound and they had energy, and they
Speaker 1: had a tone and they had and I could almost
Speaker 1: see some of them the light from them. It was
Speaker 1: like you could see all of your senses were seeing
Speaker 1: all of these things at once. And so I interacted that.
Speaker 1: I used my own energy to interact with the field
Speaker 1: around me to move up and down and left and right,
Speaker 1: and so to like lift up through these currents that
Speaker 1: were around me. It's really really hard to explain how
Speaker 1: I did this with words, because it's so beyond words
Speaker 1: how this happened. But basically I lifted off of the
Speaker 1: ground and I was hovering then between the two and
Speaker 1: then they told me to let you know, it's time
Speaker 1: to go down the staircase. Now let's go down, and
Speaker 1: so I leaned forward and I started floating down the staircase,
Speaker 1: and they followed me all the way down. One was
Speaker 1: on my left side, one was on my right side.
Speaker 1: And I can still see the image or the like
Speaker 1: the basically the the visuals of watching my feet pass
Speaker 1: over the steps as I'm floating down the stairs and
Speaker 1: having the steps like like as I'm floating down and
Speaker 1: watching them pass beneath my feet. And so when I
Speaker 1: get to the bottom and meet the third angel at
Speaker 1: the bottom, then I'm surrounded by all three of them,
Speaker 1: and they're blasting me with this amazing energy. They were celebrating,
Speaker 1: and they weren't even using their faces like facial expressions
Speaker 1: to let me know that they were happy or celebrating,
Speaker 1: because they just had like these kind of like straight
Speaker 1: kind looks on their faces, so they didn't use their
Speaker 1: face to express themselves. They it was from the energy
Speaker 1: that they were filling my being with. That's how I
Speaker 1: knew that they were celebrating and that they were proud
Speaker 1: of me, and that they they were excited. So that
Speaker 1: was that was my first memory. That was my first
Speaker 1: ever experience of my life, and it I don't know
Speaker 1: what I would do without it, because it's like I
Speaker 1: had their presence with me growing up in that haunted
Speaker 1: house that had so many malicious and dark spirits that
Speaker 1: I encountered day at night, and I know that I
Speaker 1: was protected by not only God, but many guardians and
Speaker 1: other worldly beings that came to protect me and guide me.
Speaker 1: And they were deaf one of them or three of them.
Speaker 1: But something that I realized as I was like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like I always knew it, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really think too hard on it until I started writing
Speaker 1: my book a couple of years ago, that during this encounter,
Speaker 1: when I was out of body, even though my physical
Speaker 1: body was a toddler, in that heightened state, like in
Speaker 1: my higher self's body, I had the mindset that I
Speaker 1: have now as an adult, like I wasn't restricted my
Speaker 1: my awareness and my consciousness and my my mindset wasn't
Speaker 1: restricted by the physical world brain of a toddler because
Speaker 1: I was out of it. And yeah, that's that's that
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting to think about too, because I didn't
Speaker 1: really Yeah, I didn't really come to that conclusion, I
Speaker 1: guess until recently, like, Yeah, I wasn't. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like a child at all. I felt like I do
Speaker 1: right now. So that was my first experience.
Speaker 2: Your first experience is very reminiscent to a couple of
Speaker 2: other people that I spoke to. Really, they had mentioned
Speaker 2: before that they were levitated and they were brought down
Speaker 2: the stairs and the similarities like that. It makes me
Speaker 2: wonder how often is this one of the characteristics of
Speaker 2: these types of experiences, because I think you're like, now
Speaker 2: the third person that I've interviewed over the last couple
Speaker 2: of years that have specifically mentioned like the telepathic conversation
Speaker 2: of them telling them that like lifts them up levitating
Speaker 2: them down. Wow, it's a It makes me wonder, like,
Speaker 2: what what do you think these things were? Because when
Speaker 2: I've talked to other people they thought they were aliens.
Speaker 2: Do you see them as that or do you see
Speaker 2: them as like a spiritual guardian.
Speaker 1: I definitely knew, just as an understanding, that they were
Speaker 1: sent by something greater, and I know that they were
Speaker 1: inner dimensional or you could use the word spiritual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I know that if I was stuck in the
Speaker 1: physical realm during the like, I probably wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to visualize their form because they were on you know,
Speaker 1: they were in that other realm or that higher dimension.
Speaker 1: So since I was out of body and able to
Speaker 1: access the visuals of you know, of that that height
Speaker 1: in place, I was able to interact with them and
Speaker 1: have that encounter. But yeah, I wouldn't for that those
Speaker 1: specific beings, I wouldn't use the word alien. I have
Speaker 1: encountered things that would fit that bill, but these ones
Speaker 1: were more like like teachers or guardians.
Speaker 2: The one person that I interviewed, he originally thought they
Speaker 2: were ghosts and then he'd saw I think it was
Speaker 2: from a communion, the cover of communions what it was
Speaker 2: he saw the alien on that when he was a child,
Speaker 2: and then he realized that these things weren't ghosts, they
Speaker 2: were beans.
Speaker 1: Wow, I've heard that so much where someone will specifically
Speaker 1: Whitley's Communion cover where someone will see that and they
Speaker 1: just have these flashbacks or the realization like that guy had.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wow, I have I have seen the
Speaker 1: gray type of beings as well, and it is it
Speaker 1: definitely does give you that like that feeling, like you
Speaker 1: know that you've seen that, and that's really wild that
Speaker 1: those beings that that did that with him were those
Speaker 1: types of beings or that that was that was their form.
Speaker 1: And I do question whether these beings whether that was
Speaker 1: their true form, because I know that things can, these
Speaker 1: these interdimensional beings, and and from my experience there is many, many,
Speaker 1: many different different beings other than humans that are in
Speaker 1: these other realms and other dimensions and that can also
Speaker 1: step into the physical realm. But sorry, I'm just lost
Speaker 1: my and oh man, I'm sorry I was saying that.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, what was I what was I.
Speaker 2: Saying that the beings like when people have recognized them
Speaker 2: from his stuff? And then like, how you to you've
Speaker 2: heard stuff like that? And then yours were and.
Speaker 1: It went off, Yeah, okay, I got it now, thank you.
Speaker 1: That they can these interdimensional beings can they can? They
Speaker 1: can show themselves as what they kind of like to
Speaker 1: show themselves as as of like they can they can
Speaker 1: project their form as kind of what would fit the
Speaker 1: mind of the experiencer or the witness. And I've also
Speaker 1: heard of you know, people, you know, maybe groups of
Speaker 1: people having encounters with with one being and they all
Speaker 1: see something different. So I, yeah, it just it makes
Speaker 1: me question, you know, some of the encounters I've had
Speaker 1: throughout my life, was the form that I was shown
Speaker 1: their true form or was that just something that maybe
Speaker 1: they thought that would give me comfort in the moment.
Speaker 2: I've often wondered, and this is gets brought up a
Speaker 2: lot on different episodes, But I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of this stuff is all connected one way or the other.
Speaker 2: So maybe when people see something, it's unique to them
Speaker 2: in the sense of it's what they show the represent
Speaker 2: themselves as, and our mind interprets it the best way
Speaker 2: that we can. And obviously, when people experience things and
Speaker 2: they question stuff that makes no sense, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's just because they want us to keep
Speaker 2: questioning this stuff. They want us to look into it,
Speaker 2: so they give us things that don't make any sort
Speaker 2: of sense, because it continues to add to the mystery,
Speaker 2: like are we not supposed to find out all the answers,
Speaker 2: so they continuously lead of us breadcrumbs. But if you
Speaker 2: go through history back in hundreds of years ago, they
Speaker 2: used to talk about fairy abductions. They talked about the
Speaker 2: faithfolk and everything. Well, nowadays we have alien abductions and
Speaker 2: what we say where aliens are now all of a
Speaker 2: sudden interdimensional mm hmm. So what if the fairies were
Speaker 2: the things that now we call What if it's all
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's just as we evolve and like
Speaker 2: become more science techie, these things have also been adapting
Speaker 2: to so they try and just adapt as we adapt.
Speaker 2: So they only they represent whatever they think our brains
Speaker 2: are capable of understanding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I've heard that theory before, and I do
Speaker 1: think that it applies to a lot of what people witness.
Speaker 1: And I've I love, I love getting into this story
Speaker 1: stories that that were recorded hundreds of years ago or
Speaker 1: thousands of years ago with all these sorts of beings,
Speaker 1: and then you tell you, you know, you get into
Speaker 1: the fay folk and the little people and all of
Speaker 1: these things that people really saw and they recorded what
Speaker 1: they actually saw. You know, during the time of when
Speaker 1: these things were recorded and written down, they weren't joking,
Speaker 1: they weren't making up fiction. You know, they were actually
Speaker 1: recording things that they really saw. And it does make
Speaker 1: you wonder are they Are they the same? And I
Speaker 1: think that I think that some of it is. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think about how many different
Speaker 1: types of things that I've seen, and how I felt
Speaker 1: that they were different from one another, like in their
Speaker 1: actual nature. And I know that people even today have
Speaker 1: seen little people, or have seen what they would explain
Speaker 1: as a fairy or you know, all sorts of different things.
Speaker 1: I know, I've seen a little old dwarf woman that
Speaker 1: might be explained as like a type of fay being,
Speaker 1: you know, if you were talking a few hundred years ago.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think some of it is. But
Speaker 1: I also think that I do think that some of
Speaker 1: these beings are different in nature.
Speaker 2: I don't think every single one is the same thing.
Speaker 2: I think there are different variations of them. But I
Speaker 2: still think a lot of it may come from the
Speaker 2: same I don't know, I don't want to say reality,
Speaker 2: but the same plane of existence. I guess wherever they're from,
Speaker 2: I think they all kind of come from that real I.
Speaker 1: Agree, Yeah, And it's like you said, it's all connected.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. I think that because I
Speaker 1: know that sometimes people like to they like to group
Speaker 1: these things separately, like the Bigfoot encounters are separate from
Speaker 1: the UFO encounters, and and they're separate from the paranormal activity,
Speaker 1: and they're separate from out of body experiences. But it's
Speaker 1: all from this same realm. It's all from this. It's
Speaker 1: like all of these things that are non physical that
Speaker 1: people experience is the real nature, the true nature of reality,
Speaker 1: just screaming at us like this is what These are
Speaker 1: the things that surround us everywhere, and it comes that
Speaker 1: there's just there's so much around us at all times,
Speaker 1: and there's so many others and yeah, it's it all
Speaker 1: and a lot of these beings are interdimensional. And honestly,
Speaker 1: I think that you know, because we have we don't
Speaker 1: just have this physical force. We also have a second body,
Speaker 1: or a spiritual body, or an astrabody or an eternal body,
Speaker 1: whatever someone you know would like to call it. But
Speaker 1: I've also heard that we have a third body, depending
Speaker 1: on you know, the culture that you're that you're looking at. Uh,
Speaker 1: I believe it's I believe it's Hindu culture. That UH
Speaker 1: recognize as a third body. And so I really do
Speaker 1: believe that humans are also inner dimensional beings, but that
Speaker 1: we have forgotten who we are, and we've forgotten our abilities,
Speaker 1: and we have slowly but surely walked away from true nature.
Speaker 1: And I think that now is the time for us
Speaker 1: to kind of turn that around and step back into
Speaker 1: our identity so that we we can do the things
Speaker 1: that we're really capable of.
Speaker 2: Again, I think a lot of our ways are locked off.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that was done intentionally or not,
Speaker 2: but I think there's a lot more that we are
Speaker 2: capable of as a human with our mind that for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, we just are not in tune with it
Speaker 2: as we used to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that. I think so too,
Speaker 1: I think from it being yeah, And like you said,
Speaker 1: not sure if it's done intentionally, like if there was
Speaker 1: an out outside source that that did that to us,
Speaker 1: or if it was something that we kind of we
Speaker 1: did to ourselves somehow, But I know that all of
Speaker 1: these things still lie dormant within us, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's really the question is, you know, how do we
Speaker 1: reactivate these things?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But I know that I know that being exposed to
Speaker 1: other worldly beings and presences and exposed to other realms
Speaker 1: and having conscious experiences on the other side, does seem
Speaker 1: to activate things that were lying dormant.
Speaker 2: What are some of the other things you've experienced, because
Speaker 2: you said you've wrote about everything you've experienced within like
Speaker 2: the last thirty years, So is there anything else that
Speaker 2: you think would be interesting for the listeners that would
Speaker 2: find appealing to the sense that maybe they would want
Speaker 2: to check out the rest of your book, because we
Speaker 2: just kind of scratched the surface on just what got you,
Speaker 2: like your first experience, and that first experience is kind
Speaker 2: of one of those experiences that sets the whole thing
Speaker 2: up to where, I don't want to say, like the
Speaker 2: sense of it set it up to like for more
Speaker 2: interesting things like that, but like the floating ones that
Speaker 2: are the ones that always get to me, Like if
Speaker 2: your body is floating through the air, it's like that's
Speaker 2: something you don't forget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely not. Yeah, so I'll I'll get into the
Speaker 1: house I grew up in a little bit, so because
Speaker 1: that was like that was kind of like the things
Speaker 1: that that kind of came along soon after that encounter
Speaker 1: that first encounter because I had I had experiences in
Speaker 1: this Poultrygeist house ever since I can remember, as far
Speaker 1: back as my memory takes me, and I know that
Speaker 1: things were happening there even before I was born, because
Speaker 1: I got in touch with a woman that lived there
Speaker 1: in the eighties that had very similar encounters as well,
Speaker 1: So I know. I don't know if it's something to
Speaker 1: do with the land the house is built on, or
Speaker 1: if things were done there, you know, back in the
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds that kind of brought on
Speaker 1: some of this activity, or if it's both. My guess
Speaker 1: is it's both. But some things that would happen there
Speaker 1: on a regular basis growing up, and this was this
Speaker 1: was day and night. This is not like this is
Speaker 1: not like I would have an experience, you know, one
Speaker 1: day and then like maybe six months later, something else
Speaker 1: weird would happen. This was like every day, every night,
Speaker 1: struggling like make it through to the next hour, to
Speaker 1: the next day, make it through the night, just so
Speaker 1: you could do it again, just so you can. It
Speaker 1: was just it was constant. And so there were these
Speaker 1: these heavy boot stomps that would follow above my head
Speaker 1: all the time. There was we would see apparitions and
Speaker 1: hear voices, and there was also there was also something.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was an actual entity or
Speaker 1: if it was a strange I mean, my guess is
Speaker 1: it was an entity, but it was some strange force
Speaker 1: that when and this happened to me countless times growing
Speaker 1: up at the Briton House, I would take those first
Speaker 1: few steps down the stairs. So I was upstairs on
Speaker 1: the second floor where the bedrooms were, walk down the hallway,
Speaker 1: take those first few steps down the and then there
Speaker 1: was this flat landing that would that the staircase would
Speaker 1: turn and go the rest of the way down, and
Speaker 1: you know, the rest of the way down was maybe
Speaker 1: like seventeen eighteen more steps, and as soon as you
Speaker 1: hit the landing and turned, I was lifted up into
Speaker 1: the air and shot all the way down the staircase
Speaker 1: at a really high speed. And my and it's crazy
Speaker 1: because my legs in my arms would all be straight
Speaker 1: up in the air and I was just barely hitting
Speaker 1: the center of my back on each step on the
Speaker 1: way down until I hit the bottom. And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: trip and I wouldn't slip or fall nothing. I was
Speaker 1: just lifted and shot down, and then when I hit
Speaker 1: the bottom, then I wasn't able to take an air
Speaker 1: into my lungs. I actually couldn't inhale, And so it
Speaker 1: was I would sit there and I would pray that
Speaker 1: I would be able to breathe in time before I suffocated,
Speaker 1: and the air was allowed to come back into my
Speaker 1: lungs every single time, right on time, right before I
Speaker 1: started to feel like it was getting dangerous that I
Speaker 1: couldn't breathe. And so this happened to me many many
Speaker 1: times living there. It also happened to my brother, and
Speaker 1: it happened to the residents that lived there before us.
Speaker 1: And when I was writing, I actually got into contact
Speaker 1: with the woman that lived there the decade before me,
Speaker 1: and I found out that this happening to her and
Speaker 1: her sister getting lifted and shot down the staircase and
Speaker 1: getting hurt on the steps like that, Well, just they're back.
Speaker 1: Actually the same thing would happen to them, were the
Speaker 1: center of their back was just barely smacking the steps
Speaker 1: as they're a shot all the way down. And they
Speaker 1: were the reason that the steps were carpeted when I
Speaker 1: was there, because thankfully the steps were carpeted when this
Speaker 1: happened to me in the nineties and into the early
Speaker 1: two thousands, but for her they were bear would And
Speaker 1: so I when I when I heard that, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I couldn't even imagine how much that
Speaker 1: hurt to have your back slam. The bear would all
Speaker 1: the way down the steps all the time. And the
Speaker 1: same thing is everyone who experienced this, they never tripped
Speaker 1: or fell. They were actually lifted and then shot. So
Speaker 1: that's something that that happened on a regular living there.
Speaker 1: And then there was the attic doorway was in the
Speaker 1: only bathroom in the house, So down the hallway from
Speaker 1: the bedrooms that was the bathroom on the second floor,
Speaker 1: and across from the toilet and the sink was the
Speaker 1: attic door. And the attic staircase ran up against the
Speaker 1: wall in the bathroom to go up into the attic
Speaker 1: and the door. Now that door, that original door, is
Speaker 1: no longer there. I know that because I'm in contact
Speaker 1: with the current residence. But the door, the doors in
Speaker 1: the Brinton House were like those old wooden doors were
Speaker 1: like they had the like the dark brass kind of
Speaker 1: like flat circular handles, and they had the rectangle of
Speaker 1: the brass behind it, and they had like the skeleton
Speaker 1: keyhole underneath the handle, and so we would open the
Speaker 1: door the attic door, and inside of the door were
Speaker 1: hundreds of names that were written and carved into the
Speaker 1: doorway from top to bottom, and then they actually were
Speaker 1: put on the wall a little bit up into the
Speaker 1: attic as if they couldn't all fit on the door.
Speaker 1: And I've to this day I have no idea the
Speaker 1: purpose of that, but it felt like it was a
Speaker 1: really it was kind of really eerie creepy thing that
Speaker 1: they were there like for some type of dark purpose.
Speaker 1: And then the attic staircase was like this skinny little
Speaker 1: staircase where only one person could really fit going up
Speaker 1: at once. But anyway, so a lot of the time
Speaker 1: when you went to the bathroom at night, the footsteps
Speaker 1: that I feel like it was probably the same presence
Speaker 1: that followed above my head would come and walk or
Speaker 1: stomp sometimes all the way down the steps and then
Speaker 1: stop on the other side of the attic door when
Speaker 1: you're going to the bathroom. And there's one time that
Speaker 1: I will never forget when it was one night that
Speaker 1: I was going to the bathroom after it was dark
Speaker 1: and after everyone went to bed. My mom was sleeping,
Speaker 1: my brother was sleeping, and I didn't fall asleep for
Speaker 1: a while, and I ended up having to go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom. So I built up the courage to go
Speaker 1: in there, and I was sitting down and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the stomps come crashing down the staircase, and
Speaker 1: I mean it was like it was like the most
Speaker 1: obnoxious this entity ever did it, and it just stopped
Speaker 1: right at the bottom, and I was just for a minute,
Speaker 1: I was petrified. I was just trying to breathe and
Speaker 1: thinking that this the attic doorway is going to swing open.
Speaker 1: Something is I know, you know, something is on the
Speaker 1: other side of the door right now, and it's staring
Speaker 1: at me and I can feel its presence, and so
Speaker 1: I got I started getting like getting ready to get
Speaker 1: out of there as fast as I could. But before
Speaker 1: I can leave the bathroom, it stomped back up the
Speaker 1: staircase and it was just it With every step, it
Speaker 1: crashed its foot as hard as it possibly could, and
Speaker 1: it just slammed its way up the staircase and went
Speaker 1: back up into the attic and I just ran to
Speaker 1: my room and shut the door, and it was not
Speaker 1: easy getting to sleep the night, no doubt it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with this making noise and everything else, Like, what
Speaker 2: do you think it could have been as a is
Speaker 2: it right? Like when it comes to stuff that's like
Speaker 2: paranormal in a sense, like a spiritual and even like
Speaker 2: to an extent when people say bigfoot, are these spiritual
Speaker 2: type things, they still lease some sort of a physical
Speaker 2: that they make noise, they leave a footprint, Like if
Speaker 2: this thing's making noise, ites have to interact with the
Speaker 2: surrounding areas, so therefore it has to have some sort
Speaker 2: of physical manifestation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that these that other other beings or
Speaker 1: spirits are they can all interact and affect the physical
Speaker 1: realm or kind of slightly manifest into the physical realm
Speaker 1: just enough to make noise or speak or maybe show
Speaker 1: themselves just slightly, you know, or if someone sees like
Speaker 1: you know, the mist of an apparition or something like that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so they they can. They can, definitely. It
Speaker 1: is it is interesting to think like how they do it,
Speaker 1: but I know that they do that. They that they're
Speaker 1: on there, they're in the other realm, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of where they're residing like we are. Residing in this realm,
Speaker 1: but that they're able to kind of crossover, whether it's
Speaker 1: just a little bit just enough so that we hear them,
Speaker 1: or whether it's complete, like total crossover where we see
Speaker 1: their full form and where we can touch them, or
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it is. It is really wild to
Speaker 1: think about that, the fact that that that happens.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I'd ever go to sleep if
Speaker 2: I was hearing all that noise.
Speaker 1: Again, it was, it was, It was definitely. It was
Speaker 1: a struggle. I mean there was I I always shut
Speaker 1: my door at night as I was growing up, just
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't have to listen to the things that
Speaker 1: happened outside of my room and above my room in
Speaker 1: the attic, because that just added to, you know, the
Speaker 1: things that I was able to hear and sense. So
Speaker 1: I felt like I kind of at least limited it
Speaker 1: to my bedroom, and I fell asleep at the light
Speaker 1: on and kept the light on all night countless times
Speaker 1: throughout my childhood because it at least it made it
Speaker 1: feel like it was daytime, and at least I was
Speaker 1: a little bit had a little bit more comfort than
Speaker 1: I would have it was totally dark, But I mean,
Speaker 1: there were times when things would come and sit on
Speaker 1: the end of my bed, and I would see the comforter,
Speaker 1: you know, squashed down at the at the end of
Speaker 1: my bed where I sent this presence come in. And
Speaker 1: there were there was there were a lot of times
Speaker 1: when I I sat out on the roof right next
Speaker 1: to my bedroom because I had one window that faced
Speaker 1: the street, and then I had another window that faced
Speaker 1: the roof, and it was kind of like you could
Speaker 1: step right down into the roof that was over the
Speaker 1: porch right out out of my bedroom. And so I
Speaker 1: sat out there a lot just to kind of clear
Speaker 1: my head. But the crazy thing is I so I
Speaker 1: got so I got so tuned to sensing these things
Speaker 1: without seeing or hearing them. I could sense when something
Speaker 1: was coming into the room or or approaching me before
Speaker 1: I before it manifested as you know, something I could
Speaker 1: see or sound or anything like that. And so there
Speaker 1: were actually times where I would sit on the porch
Speaker 1: roof just outside of my bedroom window and I would
Speaker 1: sense something come across my room and I had my
Speaker 1: back to the window, and I would sense it come
Speaker 1: all the way to the window, and I sense I
Speaker 1: would sense its presence just very heavy just staring right
Speaker 1: at me and some of the things in the house,
Speaker 1: you know, they had the strength and the ability to
Speaker 1: lift me and launch me down the staircase. And so
Speaker 1: I actually kept a book in the in the window
Speaker 1: so that it wouldn't shut because those old windows, if
Speaker 1: you let it shut from the outside, you couldn't get
Speaker 1: it back open, and so I had to leave it
Speaker 1: cracked otherwise I wouldn't be able to get back in
Speaker 1: the house. And so I always had a book with
Speaker 1: me that I had that actually held to the entire time.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let the book go because I was afraid
Speaker 1: that something was going to pull it out so that
Speaker 1: I couldn't come back in. And so yeah, so I
Speaker 1: would always hold the book extra tight when I felt
Speaker 1: something come up behind me, and I knew that a
Speaker 1: presence was there right at the window inside the house
Speaker 1: when I was trying to get some air and escape
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm reading through the original email that you sent me,
Speaker 2: and the one thing that I really want to discuss
Speaker 2: before we wrap things up here in a little bit
Speaker 2: you'd mention and you were taken to a cube shaped UFO.
Speaker 2: I would like to know a little bit more about
Speaker 2: this cube shaped UFO because I haven't recorded the episode,
Speaker 2: but I know someone that has seen something like this,
Speaker 2: but it's not something you hear very often.
Speaker 1: It's not, and I would love to I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear there what they've seen too, because it's it's
Speaker 1: not something that I've ran into very often either. Actually,
Speaker 1: the first person I spoke to about this, like over
Speaker 1: the phone was was I about a month ago, and
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for this podcast episode to get released, hopefully
Speaker 1: next week or the week after is I was on
Speaker 1: with Whitley Strieber, and he also talked about encountering a
Speaker 1: cube shaped UFO several times throughout his life. And so
Speaker 1: I know that other people have seen it, but it's like,
Speaker 1: I know, you hear about like the disk or the
Speaker 1: triangular shaped a lot or the tic tac shape, but
Speaker 1: the cube shaped is like is not really something that
Speaker 1: is as heard of. So so yeah, this encounter, it
Speaker 1: happened when I was about six or seven years old,
Speaker 1: and I was laying in bed one night at the
Speaker 1: Briton house and I was awake still. I was just
Speaker 1: kind of I had my eyes open and I was
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to get sleepy and I had
Speaker 1: my door shut and I did have the lights off
Speaker 1: that night, and I remember just kind of like looking
Speaker 1: at the moonlight that was shining through the blinds on
Speaker 1: my wall, and I was just just laying there thinking,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I felt, I felt a
Speaker 1: presence come near me, and I knew that I was
Speaker 1: not alone. And then these two angelic beings manifested above
Speaker 1: me when I was laying there in bed, and they
Speaker 1: looked like the They were like these women with big wings,
Speaker 1: and they had these white gowns on and they just
Speaker 1: they were just looking at me. And then what they
Speaker 1: did was they reached out and they put their hands
Speaker 1: underneath me, and then they pulled me up, but they
Speaker 1: pulled my spiritual body out from my physical body. So
Speaker 1: they separated me and I felt myself like pop out
Speaker 1: of my physical body. And when I did, and I
Speaker 1: had felt I had felt this freedom so many times
Speaker 1: before that and after that, but for some this was
Speaker 1: just such a powerful experience, maybe because I was also
Speaker 1: in their presence, But that that place that I entered
Speaker 1: into fully that was home. And as soon as I
Speaker 1: was out, and I watched my physical body lay there
Speaker 1: in bed as I was lifted up higher into the air,
Speaker 1: and the physical world was at that point it was
Speaker 1: a dream, it was a memory. And so they lifted
Speaker 1: me through the ceiling and through the roof of the house,
Speaker 1: and they started carrying me through the sky, and we
Speaker 1: were going higher and higher in the night sky, and
Speaker 1: I and we started going through some clouds, and then
Speaker 1: we went through this break in the clouds and off
Speaker 1: in the distance, up a little bit higher was this
Speaker 1: floating cube, and it was probably the size of a house,
Speaker 1: but it was just it was just stationary in the clouds,
Speaker 1: and it was like this dark gray, maybe with a
Speaker 1: little bit of a tint of blue in it, like
Speaker 1: a dark steel blue. And it had no signs of propulsion,
Speaker 1: It had no signs of an engine or fuel. It
Speaker 1: had no sound. And so when we got up to it,
Speaker 1: when we got close enough the side of it that
Speaker 1: we were facing, it opened up so that we can
Speaker 1: enter in. But it wasn't like a doorway where it
Speaker 1: would where we know a doorway would open. The entire
Speaker 1: side of this cube lowered its density so that we
Speaker 1: could pass through it, and so we passed through the wall,
Speaker 1: and then after passing through its density was regained it.
Speaker 1: It came back to the solid structure that it was
Speaker 1: just a second ago. And so inside was one big
Speaker 1: room and it was bright white. All of the walls,
Speaker 1: the ceilings, the floor, everything was shining with this white light.
Speaker 1: It wasn't blinding, but it was it was glowing white.
Speaker 1: And there were all of these boxes on the floor,
Speaker 1: like moving boxes is what they looked like. And the
Speaker 1: two beings set me in one of the boxes that
Speaker 1: were close to the wall, and on the wall there
Speaker 1: was a shelf, and so the being set me down
Speaker 1: and they floated to the corner of the room and
Speaker 1: they just started watching me, observing me, and I looked
Speaker 1: up at the shelf and it was it was I
Speaker 1: think I remember it being three tiers, and there were
Speaker 1: items across each shelf. I don't remember exactly what the
Speaker 1: items were, but small little like trinkets and items were
Speaker 1: on each shelf. And I hadn't and I received this
Speaker 1: understanding that I needed to reach for one of those
Speaker 1: items on the shelf. So I was about six or seven,
Speaker 1: and this box I was standing in was probably my chest,
Speaker 1: and so it was a pretty big box. But I
Speaker 1: mean I was small, I was a child, so maybe
Speaker 1: it wasn't too big, but it was big enough where
Speaker 1: I was not able to just like step out of it.
Speaker 1: And so I stood on my toes and I was
Speaker 1: reaching as far as I could to try and reach
Speaker 1: for one of these items on the shelf, and I
Speaker 1: just could not reach. And so I turned around and
Speaker 1: looked at the beings that took me there kind of
Speaker 1: for direction, and they transferred telepathically this encouragement into my being.
Speaker 1: And so I turned around and I tried again and again,
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't reach it. And so they they
Speaker 1: came to me, and they lifted me out of the
Speaker 1: box and another thing in the cube on the other
Speaker 1: side of it, the opposite side from where we came in.
Speaker 1: That side was opened slightly where these two men that
Speaker 1: I knew were not human, even though they kind of
Speaker 1: seemed to look human, they were loading bax is either
Speaker 1: in or out from a craft that was hovering outside
Speaker 1: of the cube on that side. So there was a
Speaker 1: craft hovering on the other side of the cube that
Speaker 1: was a lot smaller than the cube, and they were
Speaker 1: loading boxes in or out of that craft. And so
Speaker 1: the after I couldn't reach anything on the shelf, the
Speaker 1: two beings took me out of the box, and they
Speaker 1: took me out of the cube, and they carried me
Speaker 1: back through the sky and through the roof of the
Speaker 1: Burton House and through the ceiling in my bedroom, and
Speaker 1: they set me back into my physical body. And I
Speaker 1: felt myself like snap back in and my two bodies rejoin,
Speaker 1: and I just and as soon as I joined my
Speaker 1: physical body, they were gone, and I was by myself again,
Speaker 1: and I just laid there and I was like vibrating,
Speaker 1: and I just laid there and I was just I
Speaker 1: was excited and I was in shock, and I had
Speaker 1: so many questions. So yeah, that was that was that encounter,
Speaker 1: and that was my second really really amazing experience after
Speaker 1: the three Golden Beings.
Speaker 2: The Golden beans, how big were they?
Speaker 1: They were probably about the size of maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: nine year old or a ten year old, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: like a young child, not a toddler, but a little
Speaker 1: you know, like a child.
Speaker 2: It's about between four to five feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it maybe four feet okay, maybe maybe three
Speaker 1: and a half or four feet tall if they were standing.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's usually about the size. People depict some
Speaker 2: of these beans to be. So yeah, again kind of
Speaker 2: aligns with all of that. Before we wrap this up,
Speaker 2: I would like to talk a little bit about your book.
Speaker 2: You said you've written all of the stuff, of all
Speaker 2: the things you've experienced, we've only scratched the surface on
Speaker 2: a little bit of it today. What made you decide
Speaker 2: that you wanted to write this book? Was there something
Speaker 2: that just kind of clicked and be like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I want to start documenting this stuff? Like what was
Speaker 2: your motivation to turn all this into a book?
Speaker 1: So it all started when I was actually really little
Speaker 1: and these all these types of beings that I was encountering,
Speaker 1: some of them, I'm not sure exactly which ones, but
Speaker 1: I know that it was it was more of the
Speaker 1: the good ones that they told me telepathically when I
Speaker 1: was little that I was going to write a book
Speaker 1: about the things that I've seen. And so just a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, so I've always known that I
Speaker 1: was going to write a book about these things, and
Speaker 1: all throughout my life, I've had encounter after encounter, and
Speaker 1: it's been constant, basically, and so I I was always like,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't wait, you know, to write a
Speaker 1: book about this. But it was never the time. It
Speaker 1: was never because writing a book it takes so much time,
Speaker 1: and it takes at least a couple of years, and
Speaker 1: you know, it takes a lot, and it was never
Speaker 1: really the time too, and I also didn't feel like
Speaker 1: it was the right time. But a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I just I started getting these these signs and these synchronicities,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it was just I
Speaker 1: had this opportunity come up where I just I had
Speaker 1: the ability to finally write it, and I was just told, like,
Speaker 1: now is the time to write it. I actually had
Speaker 1: a voice come into my head and say, right, so
Speaker 1: others can be captivated by your mind. That was the
Speaker 1: exact words that came from this source that let me
Speaker 1: know that now is the time to write what I've seen.
Speaker 1: And so I started writing, and it was it was
Speaker 1: such such a journey bringing everything that I've ever seen
Speaker 1: to the surface, and because there was a lot of
Speaker 1: really really traumatic experiences that I had at the Briton House,
Speaker 1: and some of them are actually still resurfacing and being
Speaker 1: you know, coming forward to this day, and I know
Speaker 1: that I have so many memories that I are kind
Speaker 1: of buried in my subconscious that I don't have complete
Speaker 1: access to yet. And I also have a lot of
Speaker 1: blocks of time for my childhood that I completely do
Speaker 1: not recall. I have a lot of times that I
Speaker 1: when I was growing up that are totally blacked out.
Speaker 1: And so it was a real journey bringing everything to
Speaker 1: the surface as I wrote it from the moment that
Speaker 1: first encounter happened up until today, and actually as I
Speaker 1: wrote for because I started writing in June of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four up until this February of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: so it was just over write about a year and
Speaker 1: a half that I was writing and you know, doing
Speaker 1: all the other stuff that it takes to finish it up.
Speaker 1: But things kept happening, and so I kept having to
Speaker 1: add more and more experiences to the end of the
Speaker 1: book as I was writing the book. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: on top of that, on top of knowing that this
Speaker 1: is part of my purpose here, because I know that
Speaker 1: I'm meant to speak up about these things and be
Speaker 1: someone who kind of opens helps open the door for
Speaker 1: other people to feel comfortable talking about this stuff. But
Speaker 1: on top of that, I I'm so I'm so glad
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful to be a voice for people
Speaker 1: who feel like they can't talk about this stuff, whether
Speaker 1: it's an abduction experience, or whether they grew up in
Speaker 1: a haunted house, or whether you know it was this
Speaker 1: or that, or they had an out of body experience
Speaker 1: and they think they're going crazy, or or maybe they
Speaker 1: you know, they understand it, but they feel like they
Speaker 1: can't talk to anyone about it because you know, they
Speaker 1: might be labeled crazy, or they their reputation at work
Speaker 1: could be ruined or or whatever. There's there's so many
Speaker 1: people who who have these experiences, and a lot of
Speaker 1: them feel they can't say anything about it. And I
Speaker 1: think that has to change. And I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people, as time goes on, are realizing that that
Speaker 1: does have to change. And I'm so excited to be
Speaker 1: one of the people that tell them my full story
Speaker 1: and it's raw and I don't hold anything back, and
Speaker 1: I go through every single detail that I can possibly remember,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm just I'm so glad to be a
Speaker 1: voice for people and so that you know, and maybe they'll,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll see some of my some of their
Speaker 1: experiences in mind when they read my story and all
Speaker 1: the things that I've seen because I know that. Actually,
Speaker 1: as I was writing, I listened to I think it
Speaker 1: was twenty two or twenty three audiobooks on this subject
Speaker 1: as I was writing, and there were times where I
Speaker 1: would start crying because I heard someone else's experience that
Speaker 1: reflected mine that I had never had that felt that
Speaker 1: connection before. I never knew anyone else saw this specific
Speaker 1: thing or experience this specific thing, so just to know that,
Speaker 1: and I have already had readers reach out to me
Speaker 1: and be like, I've never talked to anyone about this,
Speaker 1: but oh my gosh, I couldn't believe when I heard this,
Speaker 1: you know, this specific thing that you saw it was
Speaker 1: I saw that too, and I it like warms my
Speaker 1: heart to know that I can make other people feel
Speaker 1: that way, that comfort, that that that sense of of
Speaker 1: connection or kind of the community might not be the
Speaker 1: right word, but kind of that feeling that they're a
Speaker 1: part of something much bigger, and that there are other
Speaker 1: people that have these experiences too.
Speaker 2: I was trying to think, like, without sounding cliche or whatever,
Speaker 2: but why do you think they chose you?
Speaker 1: That is a question that I do still have because
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of a lot of the
Speaker 1: so I've really, I've really I've always been into this stuff,
Speaker 1: kind of researching it, reading about it, talking to people
Speaker 1: about it. But these past couple of years, I've been
Speaker 1: really really diving deep. And most of the things that
Speaker 1: I hear from other experiencers is they grew up without
Speaker 1: this stuff and at the age of twenty five or
Speaker 1: at the age of forty five, they have this wild
Speaker 1: encounter that changes their life or you know, and that
Speaker 1: kind of opens the door to a couple other things
Speaker 1: that might happen. But it's not It's not very common
Speaker 1: that you hear from another experience or that they were
Speaker 1: that they were born being taken and taken out of
Speaker 1: body and tested and taught things and encountered with all
Speaker 1: these sorts of beings and I and that never asked
Speaker 1: for it, Like I never, as you know, as a
Speaker 1: childler as a child, or even growing up, I never
Speaker 1: I never went out of my way and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to know, I want to
Speaker 1: be I want to have an encounter. I want to
Speaker 1: have an It just happened. It came to me, and
Speaker 1: so I do wonder, you know, why, why me? Was
Speaker 1: there something about me after I was born that like
Speaker 1: my aura that they saw was a good fit for
Speaker 1: some purpose, some specific thing, or was it? Was it
Speaker 1: something I agreed to before I came into this specific
Speaker 1: physical life. But I do know that from it and
Speaker 1: from being immersed in this this other worldly stuff since
Speaker 1: the beginning of my life, that I that I my
Speaker 1: purpose is to open other people's eyes it and to
Speaker 1: to help shed light on these things.
Speaker 2: I wonder if and this is not necessarily anything anyone
Speaker 2: can answer, but like I wonder if people like you,
Speaker 2: people like these other experiences, and even what I do
Speaker 2: here at this shows again giving people the opportunity to
Speaker 2: share their experiences because I'm also an experiencer as well.
Speaker 2: Are we doing this by design? Because they're supposed to
Speaker 2: be helping people out hope and trying to get people
Speaker 2: to awaken to these things. But if that is the case,
Speaker 2: why are we all just not aware of it in
Speaker 2: the first place? Why do we have to be become
Speaker 2: aware of this? Like what happened to us to not
Speaker 2: be knowing of these other entities, these other beings? Like
Speaker 2: where does Again it goes back to what I'd said
Speaker 2: earlier about how I think we're capable of a lot
Speaker 2: of things, But we're shut off from it somehow, there's
Speaker 2: like a disconnect. And if they're trying to reconnect that
Speaker 2: with us, who shut it off? How do we get
Speaker 2: disconnected in the first place? And why is it such
Speaker 2: a specific person that gets targeted out to do this
Speaker 2: rather than a mass of awakening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have the same questions, honestly, and it just
Speaker 1: leads to so many more questions, these big questions like
Speaker 1: why why are we disconnected from from our abilities today?
Speaker 1: How long ago did that happen? Why did it happen?
Speaker 1: Who did it? Did we do it to ourselves? Was
Speaker 1: it an external source that did it to us? Was
Speaker 1: it some malevolent being that did it to us? Was
Speaker 1: it a whole Yeah? I mean you could you could
Speaker 1: really go anywhere with like, you know, wondering how that happened.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like the age old question of why
Speaker 2: are we here? Like what's our purpose? Like we're not
Speaker 2: going to get that answer. And I think the more
Speaker 2: we dig into it and the more people become aware
Speaker 2: of its great. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I don't think we're ever going to have the answer,
Speaker 2: at least not in my lifetime to where we are,
Speaker 2: who we are why we are who we are, Like,
Speaker 2: what is the purpose? I think there's more to it.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of I don't know if we
Speaker 2: get that in this physical form that.
Speaker 1: We're in right now, why we're here in our purpose
Speaker 1: I feel is just to have that like I feel
Speaker 1: that we were created to have that bond with the
Speaker 1: Creator and the others that were created and to just
Speaker 1: experience this incredible life. But it's supposed to be so
Speaker 1: much more incredible than what we experience right now, because
Speaker 1: we're really fully bound by the physical and material and
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to be. That wasn't the original intention
Speaker 1: for humanity to be like closed off from the other
Speaker 1: realms and from the other dimensions and from their abilities
Speaker 1: and from all these incredible things that we can do.
Speaker 1: So this life as we experience it today, it's like
Speaker 1: it makes it harder for people to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: why am I here? Because you know, this physical world
Speaker 1: can be pretty dull, it could be pretty like purposeless
Speaker 1: in some instances. And but like then, but when you
Speaker 1: tap into the true nature of this life we're actually
Speaker 1: in and escape these like this, these restrictions that we have,
Speaker 1: it changes that and it opens up like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: there's there's so much more, and it means so much
Speaker 1: more than just the physical or material world. It has
Speaker 1: such a deeper meaning, and the opportunities are endless, and
Speaker 1: the experiences are endless, and yeah, the it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to put words on but yeah, I mean, we're here
Speaker 1: for a greater purpose than what we're experiencing right now,
Speaker 1: and we're I just something just tells me that that's
Speaker 1: that's going to change soon. Those things, those doors are
Speaker 1: going to start opening again and us discovering who we
Speaker 1: really are and is going to start happening within my lifetime.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty one, and so I just feel that within
Speaker 1: the next fifty years, we're going to start once again
Speaker 1: seeing these and experiencing and performing these things that people
Speaker 1: now would say is sci fi or is fake or
Speaker 1: is you know, is crazy. But I feel that we're
Speaker 1: going to start really understanding life again and why we're
Speaker 1: here and who we are.
Speaker 2: What we're doing right now used to be considered sci fi. Right,
Speaker 2: So I don't doubt that we're going to have a
Speaker 2: lot of advancements when it comes to technologies and the
Speaker 2: things that we think about today will be in the
Speaker 2: next fifty years will be different, but we can probably
Speaker 2: wrap this up, and I want you to let everyone
Speaker 2: know that's listening where they can find your book at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can find my book on Amazon and
Speaker 1: it's called Born Awakened and other Worldly True Story by
Speaker 1: Mantha Lifeger. And you can also find me on Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, TikTok,
Speaker 1: and substack by looking up Born Awakened.
Speaker 2: You mentioned reddit. That's how we actually got connected originally.
Speaker 2: How is it How has your reddit experienced so far?
Speaker 1: So I've known what reddit was for some years now,
Speaker 1: but I never really got into using it until I
Speaker 1: started writing. And so I'm a part of like a
Speaker 1: lot of the experiencer groups, the UFO groups, the paranormal
Speaker 1: groups and stuff like that, and it really it's been
Speaker 1: really cool to be able to connect with people who
Speaker 1: are just loving to talk about this stuff. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of people that that really
Speaker 1: open up about this stuff on there, and it's really
Speaker 1: cool to see. And I actually, uh, I think it
Speaker 1: was just a couple of months ago, maybe just a
Speaker 1: month or two ago, that I created a subreddit called
Speaker 1: ask Experiencers, And so I think there's one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty some people on it so far. But it's it's fun.
Speaker 1: I I really, I really grew to like Reddit a lot,
Speaker 1: and I've actually connected with you and with several other
Speaker 1: people on there over this stuff. And it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I love it. It's it's it's cool, and it's it's
Speaker 1: unique from you know, Facebook or Instagram. It's it's nice
Speaker 1: that there's it's just filled with these groups that people
Speaker 1: can just spill their experiences into and share it with
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: I need to find those groups because a lot of
Speaker 2: the ones that I get into are a lot of
Speaker 2: trolls involved.
Speaker 1: There are. Yeah, I've noticed that certain groups, especially certain
Speaker 1: UFO groups, for some reason, I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people, like at least half of the people
Speaker 1: on some of those groups are just on there because
Speaker 1: they just want to tell people that their experiences are
Speaker 1: just not real, you know, like or they're just there
Speaker 1: to be an un unchangeable skeptic or you know, or
Speaker 1: to argue with people there. There. There is a lot
Speaker 1: of that on a lot of groups on Reddit, and
Speaker 1: especially certain ones. But I know that, sorry, the.
Speaker 2: Cryptid groups are just as bad. Like literally, if someone
Speaker 2: posts a photo of something. They're getting harassed by so
Speaker 2: many people.
Speaker 1: I know, I know I noticed that too when I
Speaker 1: first joined the a couple of cryptid groups, and I'm
Speaker 1: you know, so I I recognize the word cryptid as
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's a couple of different definitions. Sure,
Speaker 1: but as you know, let's say bigfoot, dog man, mothman,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. And so I did come
Speaker 1: across a couple other people posting it, and everybody's saying,
Speaker 1: this is not what a cryptid really is and this
Speaker 1: is not the scientific Like oh, okay, you.
Speaker 2: Will have that with so many people. And because you
Speaker 2: just lum mothman and as a cryptid, someone would tell
Speaker 2: you that mothman is not encrypted, which I don't know
Speaker 2: how their definitions go, but mothmans to certain people are
Speaker 2: as not considered acrypted.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, whatever, Yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 1: it couldn't be.
Speaker 2: Encrypted because they think it's probably a spiritual thing, or
Speaker 2: they also said it could be an interdimensional thing, or
Speaker 2: it was in fact just a large bird. I was like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that happened
Speaker 1: and during that time that people were seeing the mothman,
Speaker 1: and and before the bridge collapsed that that a bird
Speaker 1: couldn't do. There was some really strange paranormal events that
Speaker 1: happened that you know, it goes way beyond some you know,
Speaker 1: material explanation or just an animal or But honestly, for me,
Speaker 1: when I think about cryptids and these you know, strange
Speaker 1: beings that people witness, I think that from For me,
Speaker 1: my definition of a cryptid is it is interdimensional, it
Speaker 1: is spiritual, it is whatever you want to say. They
Speaker 1: do go back and forth between the physical and wherever
Speaker 1: they came from, just like how people can see Bigfoot
Speaker 1: disappear all of a sudden, you know, out of just
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, gone, He's disappeared. Or
Speaker 1: same thing with with a mothman or with with uh,
Speaker 1: what is it the it's not called wolf man. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I can't think of it the dog Man.
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of stories up here in
Speaker 1: Michigan regarding the dog Man. But yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a lot to them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I could go on for a long time
Speaker 1: about all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, Samantha, again, for anyone listening, your book is called
Speaker 2: Born awakened. They can find it on Amazon, and you
Speaker 2: are available on Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, all the social media's.
Speaker 2: But it's been a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you let me talk about all my experiences and
Speaker 1: my book and everything.
Speaker 2: About how many pages is your book? For anyone that's curious.
Speaker 1: It is two hundred and forty one, I believe, so
Speaker 1: good read for him. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good size.
Speaker 1: It's not too big, but it's it's long enough where
Speaker 1: it's got a lot of content in it.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're gonna wrap this up, so thanks
Speaker 2: for listening, Thanks to Samantha for being on here today,
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