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Speaker 3: Now, and welcome to break Free and Trust the Redesign
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Speaker 5: I'm Chris and I'm Jacqlin.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start off today's show with that quote
Speaker 3: from Michael Singer, who is the author of The Untethered Soul.
Speaker 3: In this experiment, there is nothing more important to true
Speaker 3: growth than realizing that you are not the voice of
Speaker 3: the mind, you are the one who hears it. So
Speaker 3: Jacquelin and I have, and I have and continue to
Speaker 3: have powerful experience with intuition. It has brought up the question,
Speaker 3: how do you differentiate between the voice of your own
Speaker 3: intuition from the thousands of other voices that are competing
Speaker 3: for your attention. Singer suggests, you're not the voice of
Speaker 3: your mind, but you're the one who hears it. Intuition,
Speaker 3: we think, is learning to recognize that one true voice
Speaker 3: beneath the noise of fear, conditioning, programming, and conventional wisdom.
Speaker 4: But there's much more to this.
Speaker 3: Once you can hear the voice clearly, you are no
Speaker 3: longer being asked only to follow it. You're being asked
Speaker 3: to become it or to be it. So what is
Speaker 3: intuition really and how is it different from a feeling
Speaker 3: or a fear or a wish? Can intuition be trained
Speaker 3: or is it something we simply uncover? And what does
Speaker 3: it mean to stop being the sheep and become a shepherd?
Speaker 3: All this and more in the next hour, and of
Speaker 3: course for live years. This show is open to questions
Speaker 3: in the second half, so put them in the chat
Speaker 3: or calling it one eight hundred nine three zero two
Speaker 3: eight one nine. I'm going to kick it off with
Speaker 3: a question for you, so Jack, when you hear singers
Speaker 3: say you are not the voice of the mind, but
Speaker 3: the one who hears it, what does that stir in you?
Speaker 2: I can tell you that as soon as you ask
Speaker 2: the question, something in my body just sort of settled,
Speaker 2: like from a purely feeling standpoint, sensation standpoint, my energy
Speaker 2: kind of dropped from up here in my chest to
Speaker 2: lower in my belly, and I had profound sense of calm, actually,
Speaker 2: which kind of surprises me.
Speaker 4: What's behind that question before the question? I suppose.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting question to which I don't know that
Speaker 2: I have any answer. Well, I think the voice of intuition,
Speaker 2: as I have come to understand it for myself, sits
Speaker 2: in a place of neutrality. It sits in a place
Speaker 2: that's untouched by our life experience and the dramas and
Speaker 2: traumas and stories and beliefs and everything that drive most
Speaker 2: of our.
Speaker 5: Behavior.
Speaker 2: And it actually comes from a place that's different than that.
Speaker 2: And what's coming up now as I'm answering your question
Speaker 2: is a visual that I've seen many times. But I
Speaker 2: just saw recently in some coursework that I'm doing of
Speaker 2: the iceberg, so I'm gonna i'll speak from that place.
Speaker 2: The piece of icebergs that we see are often likened
Speaker 2: to our consciousness, and what I mean by that is
Speaker 2: or our conscious minds. Five percent of the iceberg actually
Speaker 2: pokes up out of the water. Ninety five percent of
Speaker 2: the iceberg is hidden from view, which really speaks to
Speaker 2: our unconscious minds. So on this show, we've spoken a
Speaker 2: lot about programming and limiting belief systems and patterns that
Speaker 2: we have had since we were really quite young. And
Speaker 2: for those of you that believe in patterns that happen
Speaker 2: before birth or even past lives that exist that have
Speaker 2: the potential to exist, then and and our unconscious mind
Speaker 2: drives so much of what we do. Our conscious mind
Speaker 2: has a part to play in that. But this other
Speaker 2: place in us exists, this place of witness consciousness that
Speaker 2: we speak to or observer. Some call it the subconscious,
Speaker 2: some call it the super conscious. And it's this place
Speaker 2: where we're witnessing everything that's happening without being touched by it,
Speaker 2: without being hurt by it, without being affected by it.
Speaker 2: And that's the place that I believe intuition sits. And
Speaker 2: so when you ask the question and my body gets
Speaker 2: calm and quiet, what it also does is it sort
Speaker 2: of for those of you watching, you can see my
Speaker 2: hand moving towards center. It brings us back into alignment
Speaker 2: with our true self, and it lands as just this knowing,
Speaker 2: and it's a knowing. It sounds to me, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you can even say it sounds when you
Speaker 2: say I hear this still quiet voice. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I actually hear or I feel like I'm hearing,
Speaker 2: but it sounds like a very still quiet voice that
Speaker 2: starts off as a whisper, and it's a voice that
Speaker 2: speaks very clearly and cleanly, often says things that my
Speaker 2: conscious brain thinks are crazy. But it just it almost
Speaker 2: it's like having this wise sage that sits inside of you,
Speaker 2: that's speaking for you in the midst of all the
Speaker 2: other noise that's going on amidst this the unconscious and
Speaker 2: the conscious, and it speaks what feels like wisdom.
Speaker 5: Answer your question.
Speaker 3: It does, and you know, he said something when at
Speaker 3: the start of that which I thought was really interesting.
Speaker 4: It's this.
Speaker 3: It transcends experience Yeah, it's not a product of your experience,
Speaker 3: which is what you're certainly what your ego is. But
Speaker 3: I wonder it's like I I relate to much of
Speaker 3: you said, but I think I would for me anyways,
Speaker 3: I see it slightly differently. There's the there's this very
Speaker 3: conscious thoughts are where the ones who are front these
Speaker 3: decisions we make. There's this subconscious which is probably generated
Speaker 3: from our childhood and early experiences or limiting beliefs and
Speaker 3: fears that are probably driving a lot of the bus.
Speaker 3: But then there's something else which I think I probably
Speaker 3: more tap into intuition, is universal consciousness. The thing is
Speaker 3: that to attach to everything and everything forwards and backwards
Speaker 3: throughout time. It's timeless, it's just all information, and I've
Speaker 3: always felt or believed that my intuition resides from that place.
Speaker 2: I don't know that we're actually disagreeing with each other.
Speaker 2: I actually think that there's agreement, except for the fact
Speaker 2: that I don't know that I would call what sits
Speaker 2: under the Iceberg subcond just I think I would call
Speaker 2: it unconscious. But that creative intelligence, or that pure intelligence
Speaker 2: that you're speaking to, if I'm to relate to it
Speaker 2: in the way that I just shared, I would say
Speaker 2: to me that intelligence is soul intelligence. Yeah, and soul
Speaker 2: intelligence is where we are all connected. There is no separation.
Speaker 2: We're sort of tapping into the quantum field. Right, So
Speaker 2: are we Do we see things the same way?
Speaker 4: I think we do?
Speaker 3: Okay, I think we do because I just wanted to
Speaker 3: make that differentiation, because it's like this idea of you know,
Speaker 3: I think in intuition, it's come whether it shows up
Speaker 3: as a voice or a knowing or something like that.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that's that's not something that's come up
Speaker 3: from a thought, that's in my profre revision, that's coming
Speaker 3: from elsewhere. Oh, it must be my intuition. But it
Speaker 3: could also be fear. It could also be something from trauma,
Speaker 3: or it could be something from our our unknown programming
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 4: So how do we differentiate between the.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to ask you the question.
Speaker 2: So when I speak to you about intuition, what happens
Speaker 2: in your body or in your awareness?
Speaker 4: Let me speak about it.
Speaker 2: If I speak the word intuition, or I repeat Michael
Speaker 2: Singer's quote that says there's nothing more important to true
Speaker 2: growth and realizing that you are not the voice of
Speaker 2: the mind. You are the one that hears it. What
Speaker 2: happens in your body, That's probably not the right question.
Speaker 4: It's not the right question for me.
Speaker 5: What happens in your awareness?
Speaker 4: My awareness is that's go, that's truth.
Speaker 3: Because I've had I've had the experience of of a
Speaker 3: of a growing intuition, particularly in the last decade, and
Speaker 3: so I've gone from a place where it didn't feel
Speaker 3: like I understood what intuition was. Nor is one trust
Speaker 3: that too, Oh, this is this is the voice or
Speaker 3: this is the knowing that I'm meant to follow what
Speaker 3: I'm actually meant to get it of my own way
Speaker 3: and follow this particular voice. So in a sense, yeah,
Speaker 3: now that I'm saying that out loud, I can feel
Speaker 3: my body settling into this. Yes, this is We're in truth.
Speaker 2: Your body is talking to you just a little. It's okay,
Speaker 2: that's a step I'm trying. Don't try you, do you?
Speaker 2: But so, how do you know when your intuition is
Speaker 2: speaking versus all those other voices?
Speaker 4: By the content of it.
Speaker 5: Same more that's curious, by.
Speaker 4: The content of it. You know, there's this.
Speaker 3: The content of my own voice is predominantly for me
Speaker 3: it's driven by myself will. And I got some pretty
Speaker 3: good tests for what myself will are by the content
Speaker 3: of a voice that's driven by a higher calling. And
Speaker 3: I'm going to call that God's will, right, And I
Speaker 3: can do this very and as it comes up, I
Speaker 3: can do as simple test as this self will or
Speaker 3: is God's will?
Speaker 4: I mean, what am I what?
Speaker 3: Where it's it driving me to do? And I'd go
Speaker 3: further because in the you know, we're going to jump
Speaker 3: ahead here in a sense, and how do we develop
Speaker 3: our intuition? But I'll I'll start that conversation.
Speaker 4: Here a little bit. Is the only way I've come.
Speaker 3: To trust my intuition or facilitator fostered intuition is knowing
Speaker 3: what my intuition isn't. I'm much more aware of that,
Speaker 3: and then what's left becomes my intuition, and I don't
Speaker 3: always get it right, and sometimes I'll oh, this is intuition,
Speaker 3: and after the fact you realized that was not intuition.
Speaker 5: We've had some of those conversations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the more I practice that, the more I
Speaker 3: practice inquiring into oh, what what's this that's coming up?
Speaker 3: Where is it coming from? Is this coming from my
Speaker 3: knowing fears. Is it coming from my knowing, living beliefs?
Speaker 3: Know it's something else and I don't. I don't recall
Speaker 3: thinking it. That's intuition. I'm going to I'm going to
Speaker 3: sort of take a bet and follow this thing now,
Speaker 3: even though it's my thinking mind is rejecting it, or
Speaker 3: it's taking me to a place that I that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have thought ever had been natural to me. That's
Speaker 3: the voice I am more and more try to follow.
Speaker 2: So I have a question that's coming up, which is
Speaker 2: our intuition and gut instinct the same thing.
Speaker 3: I think it can be, but it don't have to be.
Speaker 3: I think just like anything I think that. I think
Speaker 3: there's this hodgepodge of stuff that comes from under as
Speaker 3: you said that under the service of the iceberg. That's
Speaker 3: the shadow side of It's our programming, conditioning. We don't
Speaker 3: fully understand the traumas we haven't resolved. That is also
Speaker 3: mixed in with the intuition. It comes up from the depths,
Speaker 3: and until we can differentiate what it is, I think
Speaker 3: you can feel like, oh, that's a gut feeling. I'm
Speaker 3: having an emotional response to this that therefore it's something
Speaker 3: below the surface, but I don't know what it is
Speaker 3: yet until I.
Speaker 4: Look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the question came up for me as I was
Speaker 2: listening to you speak, and I think in the past
Speaker 2: I might have said that, yes, gut instinct and intuition
Speaker 2: are very much aligned. But I think often instincts are
Speaker 2: emotionally driven, and they're emotionally driven from past experiences in
Speaker 2: our memories, and sometimes they are intuition speaking. So how
Speaker 2: do we or how do you? How do you work
Speaker 2: with what you call intuition? You say you ask the
Speaker 2: question in our intro of can it be trained? Or
Speaker 2: is it just something that's there or not? What do
Speaker 2: you think? The answer to that one is.
Speaker 4: Well, so there's two questions there, and I'll start with
Speaker 4: the second one. I think it's always there.
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, our intuition is not something that
Speaker 3: we have to develop, it's something we have to learn
Speaker 3: to listen to it. I think if it in terms
Speaker 3: of it's a radio station and what we are is
Speaker 3: we're receivers and transmitters, but mostly receivers, and we have
Speaker 3: our our state are station tuned to something and that's
Speaker 3: something is is often our our ego, thinking mind and
Speaker 3: our you know, our subconscious these are the these are this,
Speaker 3: This is the music we're dancing to, and our thoughts,
Speaker 3: these thoughts we're listening to and to. Intuition is just
Speaker 3: broadcasting all the time, but we don't know how to
Speaker 3: listen to it, and so it can be trained in
Speaker 3: the sense that it's training ourselves to try to listen
Speaker 3: for that other sound, to try to change our dial
Speaker 3: to pick up that as well as this, or maybe,
Speaker 3: if possible, turn the dial. So now we're picking up
Speaker 3: the broadcast of our intuition, not the broadcast of our
Speaker 3: of our trained thinking mind and our subconscious programming.
Speaker 2: What are wiz in which you've worked to train your
Speaker 2: intuition or to train your mind to hear that radio station?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: The first step is to understand again, what's the music
Speaker 3: that's being what's the what's the sound that's being broadcast
Speaker 3: from my thinking mind? As singer says, can I stop
Speaker 3: and observe my thoughts? Where are these thoughts coming from?
Speaker 3: And then beginning to recognize, Oh, I'm saying, I'm thinking
Speaker 3: the same seventy thousand, ninety thousand thoughts every day.
Speaker 4: I'm on a loop about.
Speaker 3: This identity I have the fears I have, the things
Speaker 3: I have, and the more I start seeing where they're
Speaker 3: coming from, I'm recognizing it's coming from this well of
Speaker 3: my own experience, of my own fears, of my own
Speaker 3: belief systems, and learning more to let let those go
Speaker 3: and observe them and pay attention to this is not
Speaker 3: this is not the information I want to listen to,
Speaker 3: and within that starting to see thoughts arise or yeah,
Speaker 3: thoughts or feelings arise that are not those and paying
Speaker 3: more attention to those over time.
Speaker 4: And I throw in a big part of this too.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a complicated question, so I'm having trouble
Speaker 3: answering it.
Speaker 5: You're doing a great that actually.
Speaker 3: One of the one of the main stays in it
Speaker 3: in my own experience, and this is very on early
Speaker 3: on in my my journey of of you know, first
Speaker 3: of all, you being recognize them that there is infoition
Speaker 3: and realizing, oh, that's that's that's what I want to
Speaker 3: listen to.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: I was in this place Mirabaul, which I brought up
Speaker 3: many times before, and one of the one of the
Speaker 3: practitioners there who had done some work on me, saw
Speaker 3: me walking around the grounds. Later on and I had
Speaker 3: my headphones on. I was listening to like some electronic
Speaker 3: dance music or something like that, and he pulled me
Speaker 3: aside and just said, man, when you're in here yesterday,
Speaker 3: you're struggling. You you have to be aware that what
Speaker 3: what you put put in your head is profoundly influential
Speaker 3: in all your thoughts, systems, and everything else. It's like,
Speaker 3: I have a prescription for you, and it's for you
Speaker 3: to get off social media, stop watching news, stop watching
Speaker 3: movies on Netflix, and only listen to spiritual music. Try
Speaker 3: that for a year and see see what happens, and
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. And I did that, and all my
Speaker 3: thoughts began to change once I removed the bombardment of
Speaker 3: the propaganda can the societal conditioning, the stuff I was
Speaker 3: putting in my head, the thought, the thought, the profile
Speaker 3: of my thoughts began to change as part of that.
Speaker 5: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: We just spent the last five days on Bowen Island
Speaker 2: doing some facilitation of a retreat, and I really noticed
Speaker 2: we're sitting in nature, and in many ways we didn't.
Speaker 2: We chose not to access a lot of noise, so
Speaker 2: no television, no movies, no whatever. And it was amazing.
Speaker 2: When I drove back into the city last night and
Speaker 2: I saw like billboards and other things, I was really
Speaker 2: struck by the difference in consciousness that was growing up
Speaker 2: being immersed in nature or as you know, forest bathing
Speaker 2: as they say, versus being in the busyness of the
Speaker 2: real world in quotations, and what that actually did to
Speaker 2: my nervous system.
Speaker 5: So I get it.
Speaker 2: In my experience, intuition is only really accessible when the
Speaker 2: nervous system has come. Our nervous systems our brains really
Speaker 2: in many ways, you know, we put a lot of
Speaker 2: we put a lot of energy and talking into our
Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex and the place of reasoning and rational thinking,
Speaker 2: and yet much of our brain is really focused more
Speaker 2: on on that unconscious place that we're speaking to that
Speaker 2: sits under the iceberg. And if our brain in any
Speaker 2: way is put into its sympathetic state or stress response,
Speaker 2: our capacity to be able to listen to anything beyond
Speaker 2: our survival diminishes tremendously. And so so much of the
Speaker 2: work that we do, when we'll speak about I do
Speaker 2: more specifically, is really in working to train the nervous
Speaker 2: system into a place of relaxation, often by creating enough
Speaker 2: hermetic stress or just enough stress that creates that balance
Speaker 2: back of relaxation in order to then be able to
Speaker 2: hear what exists beyond survival mode. Most of us, without
Speaker 2: even being conscious of it, are walking around in survival
Speaker 2: mode all the time. And so from that place, we
Speaker 2: don't actually even have access to that voice of your tuition.
Speaker 3: You're in a fight or flight, you can't hear that station, right,
Speaker 3: that term there's too much noise. Yeah, And it's actually
Speaker 3: and you've put it beautifully. I mean, that's actually part
Speaker 3: of a part of our human condition, and that's that's
Speaker 3: if we're in fight or flight, if there's danger, we
Speaker 3: don't want to be accessing intuition to that point in time.
Speaker 4: We want to be.
Speaker 3: Evaluating the environment, getting tunnel vision and finding a way
Speaker 3: to escape it. Our intuition is not helpful then, So
Speaker 3: it's a great feature of being human that's been hijacked
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 5: Bit here totally.
Speaker 2: Something else is coming to mind, which I find curious.
Speaker 2: I've never thought about this before, but in our training
Speaker 2: from the Yoga scriptures, what we've learned is that we
Speaker 2: have three minds, and one is the negative mind, and
Speaker 2: the negative mind isn't negative, it's actually really important. And
Speaker 2: the negative mind is that place of moving toward things
Speaker 2: that promote survival and saying no to things that are dangerous.
Speaker 2: It keeps us safe. The positive mind is all about
Speaker 2: saying yes, and it's expansiveness and possibility, but out of whack,
Speaker 2: it also creates lots of trouble. The neutral mind is
Speaker 2: that mind that can hear those thoughts coming from both
Speaker 2: sides and actually operate along the middle path that Daoists
Speaker 2: talk a lot about. And what came to me as
Speaker 2: we were talking is that that middle They use the
Speaker 2: word middle path, right, and intuition, as it's understood in
Speaker 2: many different energetic systems, is the third eye. And the
Speaker 2: third eye sits right in the middle, and much of
Speaker 2: I think much of intuition actually sits right there. Well,
Speaker 2: we're not being pulled towards scarcity or safety, and we're
Speaker 2: not being pulled towards the direction of pure expansiveness, but
Speaker 2: we're actually meeting somewhere in the middle. That voice all
Speaker 2: of a sudden comes online or that radio station, we
Speaker 2: can hear it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean the third eye. It's like the
Speaker 3: all it's the all ci that that seed of intuition.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: You know we were talking. I can't remember what we
Speaker 2: were saying on our last podcast where I said, that's
Speaker 2: something that I've been with since I was a little girl.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what it was?
Speaker 4: I don't, Okay.
Speaker 2: I definitely have a very active, negative and positive mind,
Speaker 2: and I do not operate for my intuition twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven. I don't know that any of us living
Speaker 2: in this world can operate twenty four to seven from
Speaker 2: our intuition because there's noise that's being It pulls us
Speaker 2: in different directions. But I definitely know that practices like chigang,
Speaker 2: tai chi, yoga, breath work, meditation, martial arts, they all
Speaker 2: bring us into a place that actually centers us and
Speaker 2: roots us so that when life comes to knock us
Speaker 2: down or the wind changes, we don't actually get knocked
Speaker 2: over or break, but we learn how to pivot right
Speaker 2: and so we can stay in that center place. And
Speaker 2: in my experience, that voice that we're speaking of has
Speaker 2: come forward a number of times. I can think of
Speaker 2: specific circumstances in my life where my intuition spoke, and
Speaker 2: it spoke in ways that didn't make any sense to
Speaker 2: my thinking mind and I was compelled.
Speaker 5: To listen.
Speaker 2: And then I can think of a number of times
Speaker 2: in my life where that intuition spoke and my thinking
Speaker 2: mind took over.
Speaker 5: And I didn't listen.
Speaker 2: And I entered periods of deep chaos.
Speaker 4: Is that true, Greet, Well, definitely true.
Speaker 3: In fact, I mean my my experience of my my
Speaker 3: thinking mind taking over, I'll call itself well run a riot.
Speaker 3: It took me, you know, into the into the depths
Speaker 3: of addiction and basically you know, running my own life
Speaker 3: in the ground, just following that thinking mind, following that path.
Speaker 3: And a big part of recovering from that are coming
Speaker 3: out of that place, is learning how to learning how
Speaker 3: to let go of that thinking mind, because clearly from
Speaker 3: that place it doesn't serve that that thinking mind was
Speaker 3: just bent on destruction and making wrong decisions at that time.
Speaker 4: But what else could I reliant?
Speaker 3: Well, I have access if I'm willing, there's access to
Speaker 3: a deeper pool of knowledge called my intuition. And so
Speaker 3: it was almost forced to let go of that thinking
Speaker 3: mind and then start trusting and intuition thoughts for my
Speaker 3: higher self.
Speaker 4: And in fact, because.
Speaker 3: It was such an extreme experience for me, is that
Speaker 3: I'm very much trained now coming out of that to
Speaker 3: like discount the first thought I have Almost always, like,
Speaker 3: if something happens, the first thought that comes up is like,
Speaker 3: not that one.
Speaker 4: That's going to be the wrong one. I know it's
Speaker 4: going to be the wrong one. I just don't know how.
Speaker 3: And if I can push that thought aside and move
Speaker 3: into a place of quiet and response, the next thing
Speaker 3: that emerges is likely for my intuition, so very much
Speaker 3: that gets it doesn't go. It's not like I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there accessing in from intuition all the time. It takes work,
Speaker 3: and it takes practice and calming its you said, calming
Speaker 3: my central nervous system, clearing my mind, recognizing that thought
Speaker 3: that came up.
Speaker 4: It's not really my own.
Speaker 3: It's just something that's It's like the music that's been
Speaker 3: playing my whole life.
Speaker 4: Let that one go.
Speaker 3: See what the next one that shows up is, And
Speaker 3: that's the one, but it's more likely to guide me
Speaker 3: in the first one.
Speaker 2: You're making me think a little bit about why you
Speaker 2: and I have both, in different ways, found real physical practices,
Speaker 2: whether it be running or yoga or breathwork or like
Speaker 2: any kind of exercise is in order to allow the
Speaker 2: space for intuition to flourish, we first need to let
Speaker 2: go of the garbage. And so when you're speaking, what
Speaker 2: I hear is like, I'm creating space for my reactivity
Speaker 2: to show up. I'm creating space for my program thinking
Speaker 2: to show up. But I'm not giving any credibility to
Speaker 2: it or attaching to it in any way, because I
Speaker 2: know that once that clears, once those clouds clear from
Speaker 2: this guy, that I will then have access to truth.
Speaker 2: And I've learned I'm speaking as if i'm you. I've
Speaker 2: learned how.
Speaker 5: To pause.
Speaker 2: And take the time to be able to actually get
Speaker 2: to a place where that voice can speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that pause, as you said earlier, it's come about.
Speaker 3: I mean that pause didn't come about necessarily from mental exercise,
Speaker 3: so it's part of it. It came from a tremendous
Speaker 3: amount of somatic work as also a basis for that.
Speaker 3: Lots of yoga practices, lots of meditation, lots of lots
Speaker 3: of breath work, lots of prayer and contemplation. Is all
Speaker 3: sort of a daily practice or a way of life
Speaker 3: to create the calmness within my body that then translates
Speaker 3: into the calmness of my mind that creates the ability
Speaker 3: to not jump on the thoughts that show up immediately
Speaker 3: that want to put us into action. Because I'm coming
Speaker 3: from a place of relative you know, from where it
Speaker 3: used to be, and that calmness, we don't have to react.
Speaker 2: So what I hear in that is that when you
Speaker 2: have the ability to be with things that might otherwise
Speaker 2: cause reactivity and allow them to pass rather than respond
Speaker 2: from the reactive mind, you have access to them much deeper.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, when things go right, should.
Speaker 5: We take a break and then come back?
Speaker 6: Okay?
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Speaker 3: It's funny in the break we remind ourselves why we
Speaker 3: even had this intuition, actually had it was a stories
Speaker 3: are coming up our own life that led to this,
Speaker 3: and thought maybe we'd start by sharing those with you
Speaker 3: right now. And the first one I want to share
Speaker 3: because relates to Jacqueline's story, is one of the first
Speaker 3: times I really trusted intuition and it just showed up
Speaker 3: in this miraculous way. I was in about seven years
Speaker 3: ago as I was. I was going through my my
Speaker 3: struggles with with with addiction and mental health, and I
Speaker 3: was not an intuition driven person at all this time.
Speaker 3: My central nervous system was a wrecked and I was
Speaker 3: very much driven by self will and make stuff happen, right,
Speaker 3: No intuition, that's wu stuff that was.
Speaker 4: That was the old me.
Speaker 3: And but things are getting pretty bleak in my life.
Speaker 3: And so I had gone away to this wellness place
Speaker 3: called Mirabelle, which I just mentioned earlier, and had seen
Speaker 3: a bunch of practitioners and one of my last meetings
Speaker 3: was with a with a psychic there and couldn't any
Speaker 3: teacher named Taj Paul, who you know, basically told me
Speaker 3: I was standing on a pile of dynamite. It was
Speaker 3: going to go off. There was nothing I could do
Speaker 3: about it. I was about I was about to go
Speaker 3: go through a really tough time and lose a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff. But everything was going to be okay,
Speaker 3: she said, with a pause, as long as I did
Speaker 3: Kundlin yoga.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never done. I was forty nine years old.
Speaker 3: I had never done yoga before, and so I've never
Speaker 3: even heard of Kundelian and yoga. But I'm sitting there
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't know what came over me
Speaker 3: that time. Is like I I don't only have any
Speaker 3: choices left. I can I can feel my predicament. Something
Speaker 3: deep inside me was telling you must listen to this woman.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't maybe don't have any choice, but
Speaker 3: this there's something was so powerful me. It's that I
Speaker 3: have to listen to this woman. And I wasn't really
Speaker 3: good to listen to anybody at that stage. This for
Speaker 3: me was a really profound intuition taking over. I came
Speaker 3: back to Vancouver where we lived, looked up kunelin and yoga,
Speaker 3: and I went to my very first yoga class, which
Speaker 3: is Kundulina yoga class. And if you've never done it before,
Speaker 3: it's like chanting. It's like people with turbans on, like
Speaker 3: there's all sorts of weird stuff going on. So I again,
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I'm here, I'm going to
Speaker 3: sit down and do this thing. And I had this
Speaker 3: massive emotional release within this class like nothing I'd ever
Speaker 3: experienced before, Like something that's been in me for forty
Speaker 3: nine years got started to get released for the first time.
Speaker 3: And the teacher came up to me at the end
Speaker 3: of the class said, listen, I can see you've gone
Speaker 3: see you're struggling with something.
Speaker 4: Clearly you're going through a powerful had a powerful release.
Speaker 3: And out of coincidence, the teacher's training for this particular
Speaker 3: discipline starts tomorrow. You know, she had no idea that
Speaker 3: I'd never done yoga before, just saw that this could
Speaker 3: be helpful.
Speaker 4: And here I am.
Speaker 3: I've been sent here by a French psychic from Arizona.
Speaker 3: Teacher's training starts tomorrow. My intuition told me you have
Speaker 3: to say yes to this. Every bit of logic said
Speaker 3: say no to this is ridiculous. You've just done one
Speaker 3: yoga class in your life. How do you possibly do
Speaker 3: a three hundred hour teacher training class over eight months?
Speaker 4: But but I said yes.
Speaker 3: And it turns out that that teacher was actually Jacqueline
Speaker 3: and that's come up previous podcasts.
Speaker 4: And no, we did not fall in love that day.
Speaker 4: It was much later.
Speaker 3: But that was that was a that was the first
Speaker 3: time real experience for me with intuition and following that
Speaker 3: voice or that music that I've never listened to and
Speaker 3: it if I I don't think it's really true Kundlini
Speaker 3: yoga and that practice that I did religiously for a
Speaker 3: year and a half two years.
Speaker 4: It literally saved my life.
Speaker 3: It saved my mind, It brought me back and without that,
Speaker 3: you know, the life I have now wouldn't exist. That's
Speaker 3: that was that was a huge check mark for intuition
Speaker 3: and made me want to like facilitate, like, Hey, how
Speaker 3: do I get on this radio station a little more
Speaker 3: frequently because it seems to be playing a song that's
Speaker 3: actually you know, adding value to my life. So that's
Speaker 3: my story of intuition. I know yours relates to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could. I feel like I could
Speaker 2: share so many different stories, and I'll come to that
Speaker 2: one in just a second, but I'll share a different
Speaker 2: one first, which is that, you know, the way that
Speaker 2: my tuition has shown up in many moments has been
Speaker 2: from a career standpoint or as a student also, but
Speaker 2: always through education. And which will come back to what
Speaker 2: Chris is asking me, and what's happened often for me
Speaker 2: is I've taken many different roads and traveled many different pathways,
Speaker 2: and oftentimes it was at the height of what I
Speaker 2: was doing, once I had built something really beautiful I
Speaker 2: would hear this voice that would say it's done, or
Speaker 2: my heart, which is where I feel a lot of
Speaker 2: this would start to close and I would say, oh,
Speaker 2: it's done, and I would almost immediately.
Speaker 5: Leave a job, end.
Speaker 2: Of practice, some thing that would just shift. And on
Speaker 2: the outside, I don't think it made any sense, because
Speaker 2: why would you do that. You've reached the height of
Speaker 2: what you were looking for, you got to where you
Speaker 2: wanted to be. But there was something in me that
Speaker 2: was like, you did, You got there, and now it's
Speaker 2: time to move in another direction and go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: And recently I had a really beautiful experience. I haven't
Speaker 2: had a moment like that in a while. And I
Speaker 2: went home for a home being Montreal for a family event,
Speaker 2: and during that event, I ran into a really old
Speaker 2: friend of my sisters and I sat with her for
Speaker 2: a little while talking about all kinds of different things,
Speaker 2: and there was something about her energy. Maybe that sounds
Speaker 2: woo woo, but we all know what it feels like
Speaker 2: when we sit with somebody who feels like they're sitting
Speaker 2: in their majesty or they yours. Yeah, thank you, it's
Speaker 2: a better word. That's actually better language. What it feels
Speaker 2: like when you're sitting with somebody whose presence just there's
Speaker 2: something palpable, there's something palpable about it that brings you
Speaker 2: into a place in yourself. Or they're the people that
Speaker 2: you look at when you're walking down the street or
Speaker 2: you're sitting in a room with and you're like, I
Speaker 2: want what they have.
Speaker 5: That kind of feeling.
Speaker 2: And her energy was so clean and clear, and she
Speaker 2: started sharing with me about a form of work that
Speaker 2: she had sort of moved into, and it really struck me.
Speaker 2: And normally it would strike me and then I would
Speaker 2: just go about my day, but that evening I was
Speaker 2: really curious, and so I went onto my computer and
Speaker 2: I started looking up what she was talking about.
Speaker 5: And then I.
Speaker 2: Signed up for a workshop, and then I signed up
Speaker 2: for a class, and I got really curious. Anyways, I
Speaker 2: can sometimes be impulsive and jump into things too quickly,
Speaker 2: and I know that about myself, and I also kind
Speaker 2: of love that about myself. Sometimes only wait once. But
Speaker 2: this was something different, and my mind was saying, you
Speaker 2: just finished almost a year's worth of training in another
Speaker 2: form of work. Just just give your time to that.
Speaker 2: If this is if this is for you, it'll come
Speaker 2: around again.
Speaker 6: Just wait.
Speaker 2: And I remember feeling like that actually when you came
Speaker 2: back into my life a year and a half before
Speaker 2: our first meeting, and I had just done a bunch
Speaker 2: of dating and was like, I'm done, I'm good being single,
Speaker 2: I love my kids, i love my life.
Speaker 5: I'm done.
Speaker 2: And then you showed up really quite like the next
Speaker 2: day after I had made a declaration that I was finished,
Speaker 2: and not only did you show up, but you showed
Speaker 2: up with a crazy story that would make anybody go
Speaker 2: running in the other direction, no holds bar, everything shared,
Speaker 2: and something inside of me was like, yes, that's it, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's it. Well in this moment, I set up a
Speaker 2: call with this woman around this work and we're having
Speaker 2: a conversation and she's getting me really excited, and it's
Speaker 2: a real heart to heart, honest conversation. And I said
Speaker 2: to her, Okay, if I choose to do this, what
Speaker 2: do I need to do? And she says something like
Speaker 2: I don't really know your story, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to put any pressure on you, but there's a training
Speaker 2: that starts tomorrow. And all of the hairs on my
Speaker 2: arm stood up, which brought me right back to that moment.
Speaker 2: Chris was talking about and I started to laugh and
Speaker 2: I was like, well, those words put me in a
Speaker 2: place where I have no choice about to say yes.
Speaker 2: And and I've started this training. And as I've started
Speaker 2: this training, all of a sudden, there's clients that are
Speaker 2: stepping into my world who are asking for exactly what
Speaker 2: the training has to offer. And this is my experience
Speaker 2: of intuition. When we listen, even when the mind says no,
Speaker 2: and the mind often says no because it's overwhelmed, it
Speaker 2: wants to protect us, it doesn't see possibility. But when
Speaker 2: we listen anyways, what happens is, you know, I think
Speaker 2: about the sea parting, the world opens up all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, and it's like every possibility, every synchronicity that
Speaker 2: is needed in order to make this work in your
Speaker 2: life just starts to open. And you know then that
Speaker 2: you're on the right path. And then you just start,
Speaker 2: as Michael Singer would say, you just say yes. You
Speaker 2: just start saying yes. Because the universe, as I understand it, longs,
Speaker 2: longs for us to fulfill our soul's purpose, and as
Speaker 2: long as we can get out of the way, it'll
Speaker 2: work in such a way to make that flow quite easily.
Speaker 2: The only thing that creates suffering for us in that
Speaker 2: process is our resistance to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's and that's beautifully said.
Speaker 3: And like this, the yes versus the no, the ego
Speaker 3: at its heart, our mind thinking, the one we're conscious of.
Speaker 3: It's a survival based program, and it survives by making
Speaker 3: tomorrow look a whole lot like today because we made
Speaker 3: it today. Or may maybe say this way, it makes
Speaker 3: tomorrow look like yesterday because we survived it. And so
Speaker 3: it's lots of notes. It's like you're all the things
Speaker 3: you don't want to do because that would be a change.
Speaker 4: That's the unknown and it has nothing to do with
Speaker 4: you know, whatever.
Speaker 3: We're here for whatever plan the universe has for it,
Speaker 3: which is begging us to say, I'm keep giving you
Speaker 3: the signals of what you're.
Speaker 4: Supposed to do, and you're just supposed to say yes
Speaker 4: to this thing.
Speaker 3: And if you say yes to it, you're going to
Speaker 3: have this unbelievable life with unlimited potential. You're going to
Speaker 3: tap into your creativity, you're going to go move to
Speaker 3: this place of peace and joy. But you just keep
Speaker 3: saying no to it because it's all out of fear
Speaker 3: and it's this that's why there's such a I mean,
Speaker 3: this is no small thing. There's such a benefit to
Speaker 3: tapping into our intuition and leaving our fear based ago
Speaker 3: thinking mind off the the side to do what it's
Speaker 3: good at, figuring out which car to buy, figure out
Speaker 3: which is cheaper, and doing comparisons and things like that,
Speaker 3: but not making life decisions, those big decisions about to
Speaker 3: create our happiness and our joy and calm. They come
Speaker 3: from our intuition or some people from the heart, which
Speaker 3: a lot of people relate to the intuition, and so,
Speaker 3: you know, the critical skill to masters were sort of
Speaker 3: zoning in on this is how do we differentiate between
Speaker 3: you know what, what's what's the intuition versus what are
Speaker 3: our what are our fears? What are our untapped emotions?
Speaker 3: What are the what are the false voices? So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna ask you that because it's really easy question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so easy. I just have to. I'm struck
Speaker 2: often why your speaking? Because so often things that I
Speaker 2: learn or study through like intentional effort, you have learned
Speaker 2: through personal experience, and you speak them. You speak them
Speaker 2: so clearly that it's almost like a could have just
Speaker 2: given you two chapters of a book that I just
Speaker 2: finished reading, and you just summarized that not from having
Speaker 2: read it, but from really having loved it.
Speaker 4: It's what happened.
Speaker 2: But I just want to honor that because I think
Speaker 2: it's a big deal. In my experience. What intuition isn't
Speaker 2: is drama. Intuition isn't gossip. Intuition isn't a fulfillment of
Speaker 2: old patterns and old stories and old beliefs around our worths,
Speaker 2: around our value, around scarcity, around a lack of safety.
Speaker 2: Intuition is clean, it's clear, and it's not loud.
Speaker 3: And he's got and you're not going to hear it
Speaker 3: on the television. You're not going to hear it in
Speaker 3: the radio your intuition radio station, and you're not going
Speaker 3: to read it in the news re here in social media.
Speaker 4: That's not your intuition.
Speaker 2: I'd actually go so far as to say that on
Speaker 2: some level, all of those forms of media that Chris
Speaker 2: is talking about are actually designed with the intention of
Speaker 2: distracting you intentionally. Yeah, yeah, from your intuition. And I
Speaker 2: would say that that's true from the dawn of time,
Speaker 2: and now I'm I can't believe I'm the one that's
Speaker 2: going to talk about Jesus because that's his that's his wheelhouse.
Speaker 2: But I go back Chris and I watched.
Speaker 5: The show.
Speaker 2: That was great because you know, Chris can read the Bible,
Speaker 2: and of course in miracles, my brain doesn't compute the language.
Speaker 2: I often sometimes I think him just dumber than he
Speaker 2: is on that level mentally. So we I know my station,
Speaker 2: but I also sometimes feel kind of done, be honest.
Speaker 2: So we watched what felt like a kids show to
Speaker 2: me on some levels, which wasn't a kid show at all,
Speaker 2: called The Chosen, which was sort of like a walk
Speaker 2: through the Bible at a specific period in time. And
Speaker 2: what I got from that really applies here, which is
Speaker 2: that whether you believe that Jesus existed or he didn't,
Speaker 2: or he's just a metaphor or whatever, doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: What I watched in that process was somebody coming to
Speaker 2: invite people into a place where they could know truth,
Speaker 2: not by going just gog or church or the mosque
Speaker 2: or anywhere else, but they could know it inside of
Speaker 2: themselves if they got quiet enough to listen. And what
Speaker 2: happened to him, well, he moved a lot of people.
Speaker 2: He inspired a lot of people. He healed a lot
Speaker 2: of people, and then he was crucified for it because
Speaker 2: he challenged the status quo. He challenged the belief that
Speaker 2: the powers that be wanted everyone to believe in, which
Speaker 2: was that power existed outside of themselves. Because as long
Speaker 2: as power exists outside of ourselves, we can very easily
Speaker 2: be controlled. Our thinking mind can be controlled so easily,
Speaker 2: our emotional bodies can be controlled by our thinking mind.
Speaker 2: But if we actually turned inside, then we would be
Speaker 2: able to recognize that what was happening, let's just say,
Speaker 2: on social media, in the news all over the place.
Speaker 2: We would be trained to be able to say, hmmm,
Speaker 2: does that align for me? Does that I might not
Speaker 2: even need to know what it's all about. I don't
Speaker 2: need to mentally have done the gymnastics through history to
Speaker 2: know whether what's happening in some part of the world
Speaker 2: is true or not. What I need to do is
Speaker 2: tune into whether or not it feels accurate, and if
Speaker 2: it does, then I can go with it, And if
Speaker 2: it doesn't, then I can turn off that radio station
Speaker 2: and tune into something inside. Our teachers, when they spoke
Speaker 2: about the Aquarian Age, spoke very much about how we
Speaker 2: were ending the Age of Pisces, which was an information age.
Speaker 2: All of this information was all of a sudden accessible
Speaker 2: to us. I don't know about you guys, but do
Speaker 2: you remember having like World Book Encyclopedia or the Encyclopedia Britannica,
Speaker 2: which is where we'd go for information when we needed to.
Speaker 4: Know about something.
Speaker 5: Basically like, that's it.
Speaker 2: Now we can access everything about everything, and that becomes
Speaker 2: quite dangerous because what do we believe in, well, what
Speaker 2: we believe in the only way to actually trust what's
Speaker 2: coming at us is to assess what feels right, and
Speaker 2: that's what he was trying to teach. Trust yourself, go inside,
Speaker 2: listen because if you listen, you will have access to truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I think you as someone who
Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time paying attention to, like
Speaker 3: those metaphysical messages from Jesus and from the course of
Speaker 3: miracles from the Bible. But you know, my first journey
Speaker 3: into the into spirituality was definitely through Eastern spiritual systems,
Speaker 3: which this is what fascinated me so much about the
Speaker 3: message of Christianity is that it's hard at saying the
Speaker 3: same things as the Eastern religion it's saying, basically, you
Speaker 3: have access as this thing called universal consciousness or God
Speaker 3: or whatever word you want to put on it. You
Speaker 3: don't need to go through any authority to access that
Speaker 3: access it. You access it through going inside. And the
Speaker 3: Sikhs have their practices, the Hindus have their practices, the
Speaker 3: Buddhists have their practices, and the Christian spiritualisms have their practices.
Speaker 3: But it's all the same thing. It's these are all
Speaker 3: methods and modalities to tap into our intuition or universal
Speaker 3: consciousness or price consciouness, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: It's all the same stuff. It's leading you to the
Speaker 3: same place. And when you find that again, snirvana, it's
Speaker 3: happened on earth. It's whatever word you want to attach
Speaker 3: to it. Its peace, it's peace, and I think you
Speaker 3: said it beautifully. It's like, you know, intuition becomes so
Speaker 3: useful in our life today because then life becomes convenient.
Speaker 3: And when you know you tune into thing this out,
Speaker 3: my intuition says that's not true. It doesn't mean go
Speaker 3: and fight that thing. It means turn that thing off
Speaker 3: and stop listening to it. It's not your music station.
Speaker 3: If this one's not true. Turn that one off. It's
Speaker 3: about finding what's the path, what's the flow, what's the
Speaker 3: music I want to listen to, not fighting everything in anything.
Speaker 4: That's the path of peace and our intuition.
Speaker 3: Your intuition will take you there once you start really
Speaker 3: learning how to attune to it and listen to it.
Speaker 3: It's all available for everybody on earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think one of one of the ways,
Speaker 2: and this might sound kind of fluffy, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: I think it's actually the polar opposite of fluffy is
Speaker 2: to ask your question. Ask yourself the question, what does
Speaker 2: your soul say. It's not going to respond from your
Speaker 2: place of wounding, it's not going to respond from your
Speaker 2: limiting beliefs and your stories. It's going to very quickly
Speaker 2: give you a hit, and if you take the time
Speaker 2: to just sit with it, it will show you what
Speaker 2: you need to do. The challenges is that in doing that,
Speaker 2: you actually are invited to face the very things that
Speaker 2: you've been avoiding your whole life, which is the wounded
Speaker 2: parts of you are going to actually come forward to
Speaker 2: be cleared. But they're going to come forward, and we're
Speaker 2: scared of that. We're scared to have to face the belief.
Speaker 2: I'll just give you an example. I was just sitting
Speaker 2: with somebody today. She's actually a dear, dear friend, and
Speaker 2: in the place of struggle, and I asked her the question,
Speaker 2: what does your soul say? And first it was my
Speaker 2: soul says to fight, and I said, I asked more
Speaker 2: and more, and then I said, what does your soul say?
Speaker 2: And she said, my soul says to continue to do
Speaker 2: this work that I love with children. And I said,
Speaker 2: how much fight comes into that work?
Speaker 5: And she said none.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, what comes up is, well,
Speaker 2: what's in the way of you continuing that work? My
Speaker 2: belief that I can't so my self worth right? In
Speaker 2: order to follow the intuition's voice, we will inherently be
Speaker 2: brought to task, which means we will have to face
Speaker 2: the places inside of ourselves that make us smaller than
Speaker 2: we are. Because the voice of intuition is not confined
Speaker 2: to our experience in this lifetime, it transcends it, and
Speaker 2: in order to listen we will too. We also will
Speaker 2: transcend it, which then brings us to that place of
Speaker 2: nirvana or bliss, which ultimately is actually a sense of
Speaker 2: peace and ease and flow and calm, and all of
Speaker 2: us want that right, but sometimes we need to walk
Speaker 2: through the fire to do it. The beauty of following
Speaker 2: our intuition in that space, though, is that as little
Speaker 2: suffering as possible happens along the way. When you do,
Speaker 2: it's almost like it invites you into a place of
Speaker 2: ease as you move through it. So the ego will
Speaker 2: take you and put you in a place where you're
Speaker 2: swimming up river like a salmon. The intuition will take
Speaker 2: you through the same stuff, but you'll be sitting on
Speaker 2: an innerviebe floating down the river because you've said yes
Speaker 2: and you surrender.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean your intuition or your soul or your it
Speaker 3: doesn't need no fear. Fear is an ego based mechanism,
Speaker 3: and your egos, you know, taking those things that happened
Speaker 3: to you and hid them from you because they didn't
Speaker 3: think you could handle it. Then you could survive it.
Speaker 3: Your intuition knows you can survive anything, and so it's
Speaker 3: going to guide you. You know, you're going to have
Speaker 3: to go through those fears and face those fears as
Speaker 3: you as you foster your intuition, and just as we close.
Speaker 3: You know, something we haven't touched on that maybe just
Speaker 3: worth mentioning is if someone really wants to begin in
Speaker 3: tuning your tuition just this week, you know, I guess
Speaker 3: I'm going to just just watch your thoughts and when
Speaker 3: the thoughts come up, just recognize where have these come from?
Speaker 3: Are they are the my fear based ego or the
Speaker 3: my intuition? And just see where that takes you. For
Speaker 3: doing it for a week, spent ten minutes a day
Speaker 3: just watching your thoughts and observing them, and see where
Speaker 3: that takes you. I bet it's I bet will be enlightening.
Speaker 5: It's been a pleasure you guys. We will see you
Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks, see you later.
Speaker 4: You've been listening to me Chris and.
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